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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: August 15, 2018, 04:39:50 PM »
Are many teams getting friendlies? with neighbouring counties in full swing with league and championship, they're not easy to come by unless you play within your own county. I doubt many div1 or 2 clubs want to play teams within their own league so then it's a matter of playing teams above or below you

Meant to be quite a few Division 1 v 2 clashes this Saturday/ Sunday.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM »
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

General discussion / Re: The John Aldridge/Sunday World Comedy Thread
« on: August 14, 2018, 01:00:44 PM »
He's never done mentioning Chelsea too - they've obviously hurt him deeply.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 14, 2018, 12:54:14 PM »
Dust has settled now All Ireland Final v the Dubs in just over 2 weeks...... Do we go out and play our usual game and invite the Dubs to pick us off like they have done in the last 2/3 games we have played them at championship level and leave Croke Park wondering if we had of done something different what might have happened?

I don't think it's in question that Tyrone will tactically do what they attempted to do last year and again in Omagh. It'll be 15 behind the ball, try and pick off Dublin on the counter and bring the game into the last 10 minutes. That's not a critical comment, I just don't see Tyrone doing what I think is the only way to get at Dublin and go right up on them like Mayo did, it's not in Harte's playbook anymore and to be honest - he doesn't have the players to go and do that either.

Obviously the key for Tyrone is to avoid what happened last year, when they shipped that early goal.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 13, 2018, 02:24:55 PM »
Well done Tyrone, didn't think they would get out of the Super 8 group (prior to McBrearty injury) and didn't think they would beat Monaghan yesturday - should have been a lot more comfortable probably than it was considering the misses / drop shorts v lucky enough goal. Must be congratulated on a tremendous run - they have proved a lot of people wrong along the way.

Unfortunately they now face the mammoth task - thinking ahead match up wise, where can Tyrone realistically defeat Dublin lads? I'm struggling to think where Tyrone can get the goals they need to defeat Dublin (assuming they won't score 0-20). I don't think Tyrone can 'keep it tight' v Dublin - arguably they caused them most trouble in Omagh when they had no choice but to go for it, there is a school of thought that Dublin had the game won and just got caught in a game by complacency but did that show the way for Tyrone to approach the final - that said, there's no way I think Mickey Harte doesn't approach this game like the previous encounters, i.e. 15 behind the ball (that is not a criticism)

Are there any mismatches that Tyrone can engineer v Dublin?

Lee Brennan was tamed by Drew Wylie - albeit Wylie is probably one of the most underrated players in Ireland when it comes to ' best in ireland' chat.

Ronan O'Neill has got goals in him, but I don't think he's anywhere near a start. I don't think anyone would right now, start him in a final 15?

Mark Bradley gave Dublin a good test when he came on in Omagh, would Dublin be prepared to sacrifice Cooper on him again? I think he might be the one way through - he's a very impressive player.

GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 10:56:31 AM »
Bookies have Dublin -6 on the game.

Seems fair enough. Think most people realise it will be a mammoth task for Tyrone. Didn't think Tyrone would beat Monaghan but they got the goal when maybe they shouldn't have - Tyrone were in big trouble until then, hadn't scored for some time. Felt extremely sorry for O'Rourke at the end of the game in his interview, he was obviously gutted and maybe he had a point with Tyrone getting some calls handier. But, history is written by the winners and all that.

Eitherway, neither team can lay a hand on Dublin - to beat Dublin you need to score 3+ goals (Think Brolly mentioned you need about 20 points total, which is hard to argue with), I just don't see Tyrone scoring those goals with the way they play (which will not change). The game will likely play out much the same as the Super 8 Game in Omagh - The slight, slight chance I give Tyrone is that Cian O'Sullivan (one of the greatest players of modern times) looks to be an injury doubt. He is essential to Dublin, so good, so smart.

Tyrone will basically try and survive until the last 10 minutes, Dublin will try and finish them in the first 10. If they can dodge the goal, we may have a game but the way Dublin just swatted Galway aside was so impressive - they couldn't get near them.

There were several posters calmouring for Colm Cav to be dropped after the Dublin game and many expressed the opinion that he was done. Look how that turned out. Likewise I cold trawl through the posts and pick out a few examples of posters saying Matty wasn’t putting in a big enough shift.I wouldn’t be dropping McShane, skeet or Richie  yet.

Mc Shane got a bit of a run around in defence yesterday obviously not a role that suits him greatly but he did get himself in scoring positions for the goal and his point. Had he connected right with that Brennan cross he’d be hero of the hour and there’d be no talk of dropping him. Slim margins. He’s played a lot of 70 min games this year and like Burns he could be reaching mental and physical burnout. Still I’d be slow to say “same old Cathal”. He was one of our top 3 early championship performers and has definitely eradicated the majority of those errors that were once married to his game. May just need a rest to get himself back to his best.

Skeet- Jesus your awful sore on him for those frees. He missed a 45-yarder on the right that needed to be taken by a left footer, then a 45, then a difficult enough one on the right that was still the guts of 45m out. I never remember a time when we could count on those being scores, Canavan would have been going well to get 1 out of those 3. Ffs the great 08 team used to trundle joe Mc Mahon up from full back to take 45s such was the dearth of forwards fit to hit them. Since the 08 side Sean cav was equally inconsistent from distance. Murphy missed 2 easier kicks for a supposed long distance expert so I can’t see how literally a couple of missed frees put Skeet into a “confidence crisis”.

We actually need Skeet to play if we’re playing Brennan  as Sod’s law will dictate if we drop him all we’ll win will be difficult left sided frees that suit a right booter. Standing Brennan over those frees wood put him under immense scrutiny from early in the game. Bar those chances Skeet did f**k all wrong, can’t remneber him hitting a wide from play or wasting a possession all game. He wasn’t as bad as people are making out and this “confidence crisis” stuff that brolly cape out with is complete bull shit.

He was poor against Dublin and indeed Tyrone looked a better team when he went off. He played well against Donegal but that is not the same level of competition nor near it as I'm sure you'll agree.

I've nothing against Cavanagh but the top teams are beginning to actually target him. Tyrone have two top teams to play yet (all going well).

GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal v Tyrone, Sunday Aug 5, Ballybofey
« on: August 06, 2018, 10:48:12 AM »
Yesterday's analysis by RTE highlights the clear cognitive biases that exist within their panel. At half time Brolly et al were eulogising Bonner's system and lauding it's flexibility when compared to Tyrone's rigidity. Is it my (genetically hardwired) Tyrone paranoia or how was Donegal's approach any different to ours? They totally clogged up the defence and rarely launched long direct ball into the FF line. Even when Murphy was in there I can only recall 2-3 balls being let in long. We probably used the long ball more in the first half than them, FFS!

Others may say that to beat Tyrone you have to replicate them but when we played Roscommon, for example, we used the long ball a lot more than normal.

The RTE panel speak some nonsense. The default position is to laud whichever team is infront and criticise whichever team is behind. There was no difference between those two teams in the first half apart from a single error from Morgan. Indeed Tyrone led for much of the half.

Anyone that's ever played the game at any level knows the one simple rule, don't wait on the ball. The keeper was not to blame for this instance, even though for some people it's popular to have a go for whatever reason. Hampsey waited, McHugh was too quick for him and read it excellently and that was that.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: July 23, 2018, 12:36:35 PM »
Given the scenario where Tyrone where to make an All ireland final, would this most likely leave club championship starting 2nd week in Sept? still a few league games to play also so it may leave the season running into the end of October again for a few clubs

They would play 1/2 of the outstanding league games before Championship. Then it would likely be run off in weeks leaving one last round of games.

Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.

Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.

Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.

Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.

Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.

Omagh has never had any nets behind the goals. I dont think there is any in clones either?

The only reason they have them in croke park is to stop the dubs on the hill nicking the footballs  ;)

You joke but this happened infront of me in the terrace near the middle. Young lad jumped the barrier when Dublin were doing warm up drills and nicked a ball, encouraged by his da.

Plenty have went missing in Omagh over the years - think thats why Dublin actually had to warm up at that end this time, quite a few went missing the last time.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 23, 2018, 11:16:03 AM »
I like Ronan O’Neill and don’t really want to apportion blame but the lad had a free kick, in a perfect position for a right footed kicker, on a perfect evening for football, at his home pitch (how many shots has he got into those goals over the years?) at really important stage of the game. The bottom line is that that kick HAS to over the bar. Every game from here on in are cranked up in terms of pressure. Ronan had everything in his favour on Saturday and didn’t deliver, unfortunately if he failed this examination of his nerve can we really afford to have him on the pitch in the last 15 when we need to be converting everything that comes our way? I’m not trying to have a go at O’Neill but at this level we just can’t afford to be missing those chances - it ripped the stuffing out of our surge and handed the impetus back to Dublin.

Agreed it had to be kicked over. And who knows if it did? But it didn't, reality is, Dublin were in control of that game - they started messing around with possession football too early and nearly got punished, Tyrone never got a sniff of a goal - they done well to claw it back to 2 points but the Dubs were easily on top. Mark Bradley came on and really that was as lively as it got up there. Encouraging enough stuff from Tyrone but as suspected. it's going to come down to Donegal.

As a side note, when Colm Cavanagh came off - how much better did Tyrone look? Reading too much into it or was it Tyrone just went for it at that stage? To me looked like a better team with more energy.

Anyone know when was our last victory over Dublin in Omagh? I’m thinking back through the league matches and we lost to them this year and also the battle of Omagh ( well on the scoreboard anyway).

I’m not being defeatist it’s the populist attitude that gets me. We were hyped to the hilt last year mostly by those in the media then we lost to the best Dublin side to ever take the field and all of a sudden we’re shite, players not good enough, managers a bollix, systems all wrong. That permeated through a league where we played quite well at times but still the analysts in the media and observers here were writing us off. We played very positively against Monaghan and lost due to the excellence of Mc manus and again those supposedly in the know saw it as our final demise. The gusty display against a wounded Meath was wrote off as being very lucky. The demolition of Cork was put down to them being shite despite it being our best performance of the season. Then a similar result against Ros suddenly leapfrogs us ahead of Donegal in the rankings and gets us talked up to defeat a Dublin side wiping away all before them.

There’s just such poor analysis of teams at present that it f**ks me off. I’d look forward to us playing against Kerry, Galway, Monaghan on any pitch on any day but it just the way people don’t realise how teams are trailing in Dublin’s wake at the minute. Donegal played very little beneath themselves the last day and Dublin tore them up even allowing themselves to be sloppy in front of goal and loose with a few passes. They demolished Donegal’s game plan but all media analysts can reach for us the ould “ah these dongeal boys didn’t turn up.”

Tbf bar that first 5 minute burst, Tyrone never looked like beating Monaghan.

Promises to be a massive test for Tyrone, I'm not particularly impressed by any of the recent wins - I expected Tyrone to get to the Super 8's by hook or crook, that they have. The nature of the win over Roscommon however has got some people in Tyrone a little bit over excited I believe. It was a very high score against a team that surprisingly folded. Obviously Dublin don't do that sort of thing. Although they aren't exactly firing on all cylinders themselves right now.

Straight up, I don't see anyway in which Tyrone can beat Dublin - Omagh might not actually be to their advantage in this endeavour either as it's hardly been a fortress - Dublin will know well, and have arguably better players to do so with how Monaghan made the pitch so wide in the Ulster Championship game - this will be the first time since Monaghan this team has played a team on or above their level hence my caution despite the high scoring wins since (bar Meath).

It will take an almighty off day for Dublin for Tyrone to win, I don't think they have the aggression or physiques to go after the Dubs like Mayo have so that route is out, it's building up to a packed defence repeat of last summer, something which I'll need a few beers beforehand if so.  Dublin weren't brilliant against Donegal, missed plenty and still racked up 2-15. They'll make changes as well they can too.

Overall quite negative on Tyrone's chances here - still think it comes down to a shootout v Donegal in Ballybofey.

General discussion / Re: Ireland does Narcos
« on: July 11, 2018, 01:01:45 PM »
20+ years ago, there were plenty of people heading to the arena, exit 15, circus circus and other places were they could take their drugs of choice fairly openly.  These places don't really exist any more so people are doing it in their local pubs and are probably more noticeable.

Also, the security staff in a lot of these places would have had republican connection so to suggest that the IRA was responsible for keeping drugs out of rural tyrone is laughable.


Is most of the republican connection not out in Bulgaria these days..... :o :-X

General discussion / Re: Steroids
« on: July 10, 2018, 12:39:39 PM »
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day

Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.

Depends what gym you're in!! If you go to a specialist weightlifting/bodybuilding gym there's a good chance there will be a few steroids flying around the place. The more generic gyms there will of course be a few meatheads but they would be the minority I would think!

Depends on the owners of the gyms - they usually set the tone, even then - bodybuilding is not necessarily one with steroids - there are natural bodybuilding competitions and well, the other type. I'm not exactly sure how they are defined by rules - presumably there is testing etc.

It's like everything in life, if you are into 'the look' and aren't involved in any kind of physical contact etc and say this substance helps you get there, go for it - work away and knock yourself out in my book. I don't really see an issue with steroid use for that particular role - but if you are a tube, you are a tube - roids never made you that way nor is it an excuse.

Steroids in sport is entirely different.

The new big craze is crossfit - think the fella finished 3rd in last years games OD'd and was caught and now all I hear about is how crossfitters are all juicing - I know quite a few go to local crossfit speciality gyms and they most certainly are not taking anything.

Most people that go to a gym regularly or have an interest in sports know the telltale signs, but I wouldn't say its an epidemic by any means - I'm sure there's plenty of men and women taking a bit of ephedrine or clenbuterol daily to keep lean, that'll be virtually unnoticeable to the common eye but put a lad in a tight white t-shirt with ridiculously overtrained biceps and you'll get your stereotype. The only difference might be the type of gym they train in or even the way they hold themselves which owes to a certain generalisation, doesn't mean they are taking roids.

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