http://www.thejournal.ie/coroner-inquest-18-year-old-steroids-4110962-Jul2018/
Sad case of an 18 year old who took ill and died last year, coroner reckons it was most likely the taking of stanozolol that caused. He played rugby, GAA and basketball but I suspect like many of the young lads who are on steroids at the moment was doing it for image reasons. It really is an epidemic at the moment and I can't see it slowing down any time soon.
As an example, spotted at a gym in Derry this year:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR_mNHjWsAAzaaw.jpg)
People in Ireland will continue to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it's not an issue.
It will have to lead to major health issues down the line.
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
Given the increased mass and strength, using them in contact sports is far more dangerous to more people. As bad as one person doing it do themselves is, inflicting the results of PEDs on others is the real tragedy.
You want to try working with those who abused steroids and ended up with mental health issues also. Police couldn't believe that we were expected to use simple restraining holds whilst getting battered, kicked, spat on and bitten....they arrive in full riot gear and there are a dozen of them.
Madness altogether
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Pretty generalised there but that's the case for myself as well. Although the whole coke problem in Ireland needs a thread of its own.
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 05, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Pretty generalised there but that's the case for myself as well. Although the whole coke problem in Ireland needs a thread of its own.
Start an Irish Narco thread, would be genuinely interested to hear people's take on it, wouldn't be well versed
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 05, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Pretty generalised there but that's the case for myself as well. Although the whole coke problem in Ireland needs a thread of its own.
Not that I mix in those circles generally but anyone I know that is taking steroids also anecdotally takes coke on nights out too
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 05, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Pretty generalised there but that's the case for myself as well. Although the whole coke problem in Ireland needs a thread of its own.
Not that I mix in those circles generally but anyone I know that is taking steroids also anecdotally takes coke on nights out too
Sounds like the States in the mid 90's
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 05, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Pretty generalised there but that's the case for myself as well. Although the whole coke problem in Ireland needs a thread of its own.
Not that I mix in those circles generally but anyone I know that is taking steroids also anecdotally takes coke on nights out too
Id say that a lot of this has to do with vanity and images. Coke is an 'image' drug. Steroids are used for vanity purposes mostly. When you run in the circles of people who supply one type of drug then you will Likely be offered others. Also the buzz from coke would appeal to adrenaline junkie muscle men. I'm only surmising here and have no actual evidence to support it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 06, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 05, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
Gym culture is certainly more prevalent than it was years ago but I'd say it's fairly certain there's lots of this shit knocking about. What's more dangerous, vanity or aspirational sporting gains?
I reckon vanity would account for the majority of the abusers, that is not to say that sporting needs is not a big problem it is just that there are less aspiring sports stars than instagram models.
A general rule too is that once you take steroids the use of cocaine on nights out increases, I don't know why but from personal experience any of my acquaintances who take steroids are also coke heads.
Pretty generalised there but that's the case for myself as well. Although the whole coke problem in Ireland needs a thread of its own.
Not that I mix in those circles generally but anyone I know that is taking steroids also anecdotally takes coke on nights out too
Id say that a lot of this has to do with vanity and images. Coke is an 'image' drug. Steroids are used for vanity purposes mostly. When you run in the circles of people who supply one type of drug then you will Likely be offered others. Also the buzz from coke would appeal to adrenaline junkie muscle men. I'm only surmising here and have no actual evidence to support it.
Stick around, you'll do well here.
On the same surmising basis, I'd guess the personality who would try steroids would also be open to trying other drugs. Separately, a mental barrier has also been crossed with the foray into steroids which normalises drug use. Also, insecurities which may tempt someone to take steroids to improve their image could also tempt them to take coke to improve their confidence
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 05, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/coroner-inquest-18-year-old-steroids-4110962-Jul2018/
Sad case of an 18 year old who took ill and died last year, coroner reckons it was most likely the taking of stanozolol that caused. He played rugby, GAA and basketball but I suspect like many of the young lads who are on steroids at the moment was doing it for image reasons. It really is an epidemic at the moment and I can't see it slowing down any time soon.
As an example, spotted at a gym in Derry this year:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR_mNHjWsAAzaaw.jpg)
What gym in Derry?? I'd call balls on that pic tbh. Though plenty of the juicing going on around these parts right enough
https://twitter.com/6F2/status/945727565653839874
That tweet mentioned it as PureGym in Derry.
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2018, 09:44:25 AM
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day
Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 10, 2018, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2018, 09:44:25 AM
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day
Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.
+1
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 10, 2018, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2018, 09:44:25 AM
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day
Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.
Depends what gym you're in!! If you go to a specialist weightlifting/bodybuilding gym there's a good chance there will be a few steroids flying around the place. The more generic gyms there will of course be a few meatheads but they would be the minority I would think!
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2018, 09:44:25 AM
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day
Well that's just flat out nonsense.
I'm sure there are plenty doing it at certain gyms but I'd be at a big chain gym (DW) and there may be a few that I know would be at it, but 95% wouldnt..
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 10, 2018, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2018, 09:44:25 AM
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day
Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.
Depends what gym you're in!! If you go to a specialist weightlifting/bodybuilding gym there's a good chance there will be a few steroids flying around the place. The more generic gyms there will of course be a few meatheads but they would be the minority I would think!
Depends on the owners of the gyms - they usually set the tone, even then - bodybuilding is not necessarily one with steroids - there are natural bodybuilding competitions and well, the other type. I'm not exactly sure how they are defined by rules - presumably there is testing etc.
It's like everything in life, if you are into 'the look' and aren't involved in any kind of physical contact etc and say this substance helps you get there, go for it - work away and knock yourself out in my book. I don't really see an issue with steroid use for that particular role - but if you are a tube, you are a tube - roids never made you that way nor is it an excuse.
Steroids in sport is entirely different.
The new big craze is crossfit - think the fella finished 3rd in last years games OD'd and was caught and now all I hear about is how crossfitters are all juicing - I know quite a few go to local crossfit speciality gyms and they most certainly are not taking anything.
Most people that go to a gym regularly or have an interest in sports know the telltale signs, but I wouldn't say its an epidemic by any means - I'm sure there's plenty of men and women taking a bit of ephedrine or clenbuterol daily to keep lean, that'll be virtually unnoticeable to the common eye but put a lad in a tight white t-shirt with ridiculously overtrained biceps and you'll get your stereotype. The only difference might be the type of gym they train in or even the way they hold themselves which owes to a certain generalisation, doesn't mean they are taking roids.
The sport of bodybuilding has always been about steroids...pushing the body that far, that hard needs supplements to speed up recovery in order to get the size and shape the sport demands today. If you're not getting on a stage I see no point in taking them. What they do to the body isn't worth it.
I definitely understand why some would take them. I know a lot of lads in BJJ who are openly taking TRT and you can tell the difference. These lads are stronger and recover faster and at 40 I am a step behind where I used to be. Ask me at 50 and I could be joining them ha!
Certainly as you get older its harder to shift belly fat, your T is down and all it takes is a complaint or two about your libido to your doctor here in the US to be prescribed TRT.
I'm not sure how rampant steroid use is in all gyms. In the North any of the bodybuilding gyms like Warehouse in Portadown or Elite in Lisburn would be known for it but in a positive way. They're both bodybuilders gyms. Most are hoping to compete on a stage. I don't know if I'd label it all vanity. pushing the body to the limits is what most athletes do in their respective sports...