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[Anyone who says otherwise is mounting a direct challenge to the sovereignty of a democratic state, and that cannot be allowed to stand.]

The internal rules of any organisation are trumped by the law of the land. Anyone who says otherwise is mounting a direct challenge to the sovereignty of a democratic state, and that cannot be allowed to stand.

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there you go, apologies if you feel i misinterpretated your post previously.

That's madness. Haven't been to newbridge in a few years but I've been told it needs a bit of work, Pairc Tailteann definately needs a facelift but I think Louth are the worst off. I'm sure they lost alot of money by having to move their game against Meath to Cavan and they would have had a far bigger support behind them if they were playing in Drogheda instead of Cavan which is always an advantage. I'm sure if that €100m was spread between the likes of Meath, Louth and Kildare it would be far better spent because there's no way on Earth they'll build a decent sized stadium from scratch for €100m

It's a bullshit story in that they wouldn't be able to get the finance and will not happen, it is a great idea though.

With the price of land what it is now and the construction slump, would 100m really be that far away?

Your blinkeresd intolerance and bigotry is prevented you from entering into a reasoned debate. It is clear that you have never read one word of Canon Law, have no idea of its function or purpose, and refuse to even try too understand the relationship between it and law of the state. If you are happy in your ignorance,then so be it, but please refrain from pontificating on a subject about which you clearly know nothing, you are embarrassing yourself and misleading others

"Canon Law" is a grandiose title for the church's internal rules. The internal rules of any organisation are trumped by the law of the land. Anyone who says otherwise is mounting a direct challenge to the sovereignty of a democratic state, and that cannot be allowed to stand.

So what you're saying is that people cannot disagree with the laws of a state and to do is tantamount to a declaration of war

croker far too big for most games - it's a sensible idea, what would have made much more sense would have been joined up thinking between the GAA, IRFU, FAI and the govt.  2 stadia in Dublin, Croker to accommodate the big games and Lansdowne with a capacity of about 35-40K, perfect for most soccer, rugby and gaa games. 

Obviously that ship (like the tallaght stadium disaster) has sailed, but wouldn't it have made sense.

[It baffles me how managers can openly talk about 'having one year left on their contract' and 'signing contract extensions']

It baffles me how managers can openly talk about 'having one year left on their contract' and 'signing contract extensions'. In a game that is hypothetically amateur I can't understand how someone can speak in this manner without any questions or queries from the top dogs in the GAA. Surely you don't sign a contract to do something for free. What was the point of Padraic Duffy investigating payments if it is well known fact that most coaches and managers are getting paid.

being serious (for the first time on this thread), I have always wondered about this too - I mean what sort of a contract has been signed?  I'm not even talking about money here, I'm just wondering are contracts actually signed by inter-county managers or is it a case that they say they'll take the job for a certian period?  Are travel expenses and other coaching/physio etc allowances and conditions written out or is it all word of mouth?

I think it was Michael McDowell who pointed out that Canon law holds as much water as the rules of a local golf club in relation to the law of the land. I never agreed too much with the man but that was a well placed retort when this was discussed some years back.

precisely, that's the been the point all along. 

The point is not, as is being argued on this thread, that murderers don't go to confession.

Part of the Catholic Church's silence on known pedophilia has been excused by the posit that Canon Law supersedes the Law of the land. Confession is frequently used as an emotive argument to back that up. Even the weakest follower of Catholicism understands the Sanctity of Confessions and understands that it cannot be breached. The reaction from Rome in the OP: “Ireland can approve all the laws it wants but it should know the church will never allow itself the obligation to betray the confessional to civil authorities,” said Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti. shows that thinking succinctly.

The timing as in all things political may have been convenient, but the motive is obvious. The point here is to show who exactly is in charge and that the Church in particular are subject to all of our laws.

Preach it brother!

You must have been delighted that someone put forward a valid point Eamonn, you were a long time in this debate without raising anything of relevance.

The point is not, as is being argued on this thread, that murderers don't go to confession.

Part of the Catholic Church's silence on known pedophilia has been excused by the posit that Canon Law supersedes the Law of the land. Confession is frequently used as an emotive argument to back that up. Even the weakest follower of Catholicism understands the Sanctity of Confessions and understands that it cannot be breached. The reaction from Rome in the OP: "Ireland can approve all the laws it wants but it should know the church will never allow itself the obligation to betray the confessional to civil authorities," said Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti. shows that thinking succinctly.

The timing as in all things political may have been convenient, but the motive is obvious. The point here is to show who exactly is in charge and that the Church in particular are subject to all of our laws.

At least you're putting forward an argument, i don't see the point at all tbh, even your argument points to posturing by the govt, but i'm not going to influence their decision from here so it's time to leave it i think.

[They just avoided relegation and he was offered £200 per week this year. They lost their first 4 league games and Jody was let go!]

Bottom line is that very few know for certain as to who is getting paid what. There are educated guesses and others who dont hide the fact however I do know for certain that at least one Ulster county manager doesnt even accept travel expenses.

McGeeney, Banty, Justin McNulty, Baker Bradley etc will all have an arrangement with their respective county boards.
Many clubs also payout. Jody Gormley was said to have been getting £400 per week at Longstone in Down. They just avoided relegation and he was offered £200 per week this year. They lost their first 4 league games and Jody was let go!
I think the range between those getting paid and those not taking a penny is very large. My view is that you usually get what you pay for. A paid man will not guarentee success but he will usually be better than the non paid homegrown talent. Just my take on it.

What about compensation, did they pay up the rest of his contract?

For expenses he hadn't yet incurred? 

He could have bought and filled up a diesel tank at the house in advance or even invested a nice new prius in order to keep mileage expenses low.

[They just avoided relegation and he was offered £200 per week this year. They lost their first 4 league games and Jody was let go!]

Bottom line is that very few know for certain as to who is getting paid what. There are educated guesses and others who dont hide the fact however I do know for certain that at least one Ulster county manager doesnt even accept travel expenses.

McGeeney, Banty, Justin McNulty, Baker Bradley etc will all have an arrangement with their respective county boards.
Many clubs also payout. Jody Gormley was said to have been getting £400 per week at Longstone in Down. They just avoided relegation and he was offered £200 per week this year. They lost their first 4 league games and Jody was let go!
I think the range between those getting paid and those not taking a penny is very large. My view is that you usually get what you pay for. A paid man will not guarentee success but he will usually be better than the non paid homegrown talent. Just my take on it.

What about compensation, did they pay up the rest of his contract?

[how is he leading the poll?]

I've asked a lot of people if they'd vote for gaybo, nobody has yet admitted that they would, how is he leading the poll?

Would anyone here vote for him?

The poll was conducted in the RTE canteen.

It must have been, he's actually disliked by most people I've talked to.

The first post even in the same country as the point.

Explain how this legislation is going to change things?  The priest hearing the confession has always had the opportunity of going to the authorities, is the legislation to enable the authorities to throw priests, who they believe may have heard the paedophile priests confess to paedophilia into jail?  As I pointed out yesterday, what sort of crimes have to be reported?  Is it even possible to frame legislation in such a way that some crimes are mandatorily reportable and some aren't? 

It's totally unecessary, unenforceable and irrelevant, therefore the only reason behind it imo is to try and appeal to populist opinion and sure even the bit of controversy means people forget about the ineffectiveness of our leaders in all other matters.

I've asked a lot of people if they'd vote for gaybo, nobody has yet admitted that they would, how is he leading the poll?

Would anyone here vote for him?

Stricker always seems to be hovering round the top of the leaderboard for the first 2 or 3 days in the last few majors then disappears on Sunday - can he keep it together this time?

used to be a serial choker, hasn't been for a few years.  It'd be no surprise to see him take it home from here, but, maybe the auld demons will come back - i hope so, as it's hard to beat a few lads in contention of a sunday evening.

I mentioned him earlier and I really think that Romero could go really well here, he's been in brilliant form on all sorts of courses over the last 6 weeks and has contended in majors before, he can win when he gets the opportunity.  Of course he's liable to throw in a double or triple bogey every now and then, but he can also make birdie after birdie on every type of course.

There he goes, flying along at -1 then triple bogey, bogey and he's 3 over and struggling.

[Teams work this efficiently these days.]

I don't think we're talking about the dragging a man down when he's going through. This as someone has pointed out has always been there.

The fact is that the tactical foul is part and parcel of the modern defensive system which does not work as completely without it. I think the systematic use of this tactic is something relatively new and something which is becoming more prevailant amongst the teams competing at the top level. Most counties have done it, some more systematically than others.

Paddy Heaney gave an excellent description of this in yesterday's Irish News with stats from the Dublin v Tyrone game and the Ulster final to back up the point he was making. One point he made was there are 14 outfield players which means even if you have the tick/yellow card system, you have 28 fouls to commit out of the scoring zone before there is any real penalty to the team. Teams work this efficiently these days.Basically it pays to foul out the field and with the current implementation of the laws, there is no deterrent.

Kerry were prime exponents of this art, i think it was the 2005 final where they all took turns to get their yellows.