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#76
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
September 01, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

We haven't achieved back to back ulster titles too many times and I'm sure there was plenty of other years the ulster championship wasn't of the highest standard. We won the rest of the games before Sunday by 9 points plus. If you look back at the pre Harte years our record wasn't exactly brilliant. We got beat by one of the best and financially prepared teams ever last week. No one is happy with the tactics and would like to see a change but I'm not convinced a new manager will bring any more success.

The lack of aggression and physicality in the first 15 killed tyrone, you can't send a statement of walking away from the parade without backing it up. Dublin didn't miss from difficult positions which will be difficult to replicate, there wide count was very small (it flashed 9-2 on the big screen in the 2nd half I think),and the turnovers in the tackle were criminal.

But the second half subs all made huge input in terms of energy and impact McMenamin, O'Gara, Flynn vs O'Neill, McCurry and McClure, with MD McCauley and Bernard Brogan not getting game time, no other team in the country has that sort of bench so lads, its a good tyrone team unfortunately there is a brilliant team ahead of them for a while so ye just have to accept it and not completely hang a very committed group on one result.
#77
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 13, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
I think we'll see a mixture of pushing up and conceding kick outs on the 27th. I will be more interested to see what Dublin do. They'll have noted that most of the goal chances we've created have been from Morgan's long range kick outs being won and moved at pace into the FF line. They'll want that avenue shut down immediately.

Our gameplan has more or less been pushed on us due to the type of forwards we have available to us. As a result of this system most teams are forced to totally change their shape and system. Will the Dubs go into a defensive shell or back themselves to blow us away?

Although very early in the year this was their line up:

Cluxton; J Cooper (0-01), P McMahon (0-01), M Fitzsimons; J McCarthy, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton (0-01), MD Macauley; C Basquel, C Kilkenny (0-01), N Scully; D Rock (0-06, 0-06f), E O'Gara, P Mannion.

That's not a million miles from the team that'll start in a fortnight. Interestingly, that was the first time a team avoided defeat by Jim Gavin's Dublin three outings in a row.

Think this is not far off, dublin struggled badly in the league to break down the Tyrone defence, only in the last 10 minutes after S.cavanagh over carried on his own 45 and munroe kicking away possession, and the momentum swung to dublin and they do not need an invitation.

What I would love to see happen and will be unlikely, is cluxton to be put on his hole when he walks to the goals by cavanagh or donnelly, for the simple reasons he won't be expecting it (keepers don't expect nor are used to the physical stuff) and to create bit of chaos, as any team that has joy in putting dublin under pressure puts cluxton under pressure and lets see how accurate he is then. Bit out there but Dublin are a class act and tyrone will have to have a few surprises up there sleeve and push the limits of their tackling. But then the man in the middle is crucial and god knows what clown will get it ::)
#78
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 14, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
This game will be very interesting, Tyrone have done rightly in the past nullifying Murphy from open play but his frees have done the damage. Personally I think McGlynn has destroyed tyrone a few times and hopefully he's clamped down on finally on Sunday, in a game I think there is huge pressure to deliver to prove the ulster final wasn't a once off and it will be interesting how the team responds, it will come down to the accuracy from frees and barring L Brennan being picked solely for that, it'll be donegal by 2 or 3, hope I'm wrong tho
#79
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 29, 2017, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 29, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
What would we like to see against Donegal, chaps.

I would go with something along the following:

1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justy
7. Brennan
8. C Cavanagh
9. McClure
10. Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Harte
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh
15. Bradley

Bit harsh on Conall McCann as he did quite well there yesterday but I think we need someone with a bit more aggression round there and though McClure did really well when introduced, made a great catch in the middle of the park and scored a nice point too. Think he'll throw his weight around a bit more than McCann and is a very good fielder.

I'd start McCurry after that brief cameo, he looked very confident and sharp. Thought McCrory had a very good game whereas Hampsey seemed a little loose so I would give McCrory the corner back slot. Justy and McCarron will likely share the Murphy man markin duties between them, Justy following him out the field and McCarron picking him up inside.  Rory Brennan will certainly man mark Ryan McHugh.

Donnelly of course could be suspended for this one now.

Agree with a lot of this, think the mccann start was a wee sweetner after threatening to leave a while ago, can't see him starting over McClure who has the size, athleticism and power over him and is more of what tyrone need against the top teams, and all Donnelly had to do was jog about for half an hour to get the game out of the road, instead he is showing the country/clubs that he will react, this incident and the O'Shea slap in the league both of which had no bearing in the respective games is a waste of time and will (hopefully not) count against him long term
#80
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 01, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
disappointing about monroe, had a real edge and composure to his play anytime I seen him, the hit on mcglynn in last years ulster final was fantastic, but on the other hand it shows his desire to his club and not wanting to hang around the fringes
#81
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
April 03, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
for the best conditioned, strongest, most well looked after and "professional" Tyrone team imo, there is a very obvious mismatch in results against the top teams into what they are putting in to it, personally it looks to be a few groups in the squad, Harte, Cavanaghs, Donnelly etc. that more often than not empty the tank and seem to have good values and a competitive streak that make you want to watch Tyrone, but personally (and I'm probably showing my age) there is a group of lads that are more interested in hair, fashion, posing on social media, wondering what free boots and gear they can skive and jumping in front of cameras, instead of keeping the head down and figuring out what they represent. Also regarding the lads that have been on a few seasons and have little to no appearances and are still there, need a chat, if ye don't make consistent/ increasing appearances within 3 years, pull the pin and play for your club!!
#82
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
March 19, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

100% agree with this, we are a good side, but Dublin would have struggled to come out of ballybofey last night with a result, poor weather, tight/poor pitch doesn't suit this tyrone side. They will beat Mayo in Omagh but a massive test away to Kerry will a huge indicator what the rest of the season will hold imo
#83
The team with the better footballers won but it was criminal what Crokes got away with, it was a carbon copy of the Kerry senior outfit this last 3 years under Fitzmaurice. The cynical fouling doesnt really bother me too much as most top teams club and county do it but it was the wee cheap dig, kick, boot a split second after the foul, the knee on the back of the head before the deserved red card, the kick whilst bradley was going down etc etc. and it was always when the player was not in a place to protect himself, cheap stuff.

And the other thing is how Dr. Crokes invited Slaughtneil on in the second half instead of using the extra man to dictate possession and chip away at the scoreboard and see it out easier than they did was proof of the fabled Kerry swagger is gone

PS
The Gooch is well and truly done; no legs, get out now at the top lad
#84
Tyrone / Re: Jarlath Burns
February 26, 2017, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on February 26, 2017, 07:27:42 PM
Just my personal opinion but I find him a c**t

Couldn't agree more, self-indulgent w**ker, he is indicative of the people that govern the GAA, all this true Gael manure, he looks like he's chatting at a wake with his carefully delivered sincere analysis that doesn't really say anything new, a yes man to his core and guaranteed to be on 100 committees that achieve nothing bar more bureaucracy 
#85
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 19, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 19, 2017, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on February 19, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
unlucky Rock, sore loss against another strong Kerry Divisional side (which is an utter balls of a system imo) at this grade

Glenbeigh-Glencar is a club side, not a divisional side. They play in division 6 at minor level in Kerry which is 11 a side as far as I know which shows they haven't a very big pick. Hard luck to the Rock but they were beaten by a genuine junior club in a tight game.

Fair enough not a divisional side but why are they playing in Division 1 League and beat Dr Crokes this year and then competing in the Junior Championship?
#86
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 19, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
unlucky Rock, sore loss against another strong Kerry Divisional side (which is an utter balls of a system imo) at this grade
#87
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
December 07, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
IMO the standard, conditioning and dedication of the players has never been better, if a bit of bite, hard hits, mouthing is apart of the game then I think it adds to it, getting annoyed by it is too sensitive, it has been going on in cricket, rugby, boxing, NFL, NBA, NHL for decades by all the so-called greats, Michael Jordan was one of the worst mouthpieces, Muhammed Ali etc etc.
#88
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 16, 2016, 04:47:56 PM
just not good enough, genuinely what do these people do for a living? if they where this incompetent in their profession they wouldn't be in it for long, carrickmore should have been on standby and the omagh pitch being spiked and taken care of since friday but by the looks of it, that may not have worked, a lot of surface water was on it
#89
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 09, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
great days football, some really top end point taking in both matches, Pomeroy where great value for their win, looked very comfortable on the ball and some great attacking play, the senior final was the same, although I wouldn't mind your big lad McGahan to start the next day. And ye would have to have sympathy for the midfielder going off on the first kick-out, cruel luck and the serious injury to toner, not nice to see. The biggest annoyance the day from myself was 14 kicking the ball off the tee towards the end, a cheap act. Hopefully the replay has the same entertainment
#90
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
October 08, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 07, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 07, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
We can debate starting 15's til the cows come home but can't see any major changes next year bar 1 or2 forward positions dictated on weather cavanagh gives it another year

mayo highlighted we need a forward that can score 3-4 points from play against quality sides, and S Cavanagh is the only man consistently can do it and at a push McCurry, this is where the difference is between the top 2-3 teams.

also another point is in 2013 and 2015 in the two semi-finals Tyrone marched into them matched on the back of a very big siege mentality - 2013 the uproar over the cavanagh tackle against monaghan in the quarters and the penrose and gormley yellow and red cards and 2015 - the rte bias and the tiernan mccann bitchfest and they couldn't get over it even with the biggest chips on their shoulder, and compare to this year, although only beaten by a point by a mayo team with no forwards, the performance was very flat after the hype machine of the ulster final and two wonder scores to win it in injury time.

Realistically in the next 1-2 years (given harte is manager) they need to push to an all-ireland final and win ulster again but this will the most I think we will get out of this team unless a top consistent forward comes to the fore
A top consistent forward !!! Seriously ?
As mentioned before a top forward is useless given the system tyrone play. This top forward will be marked by two or possibly three defenders, then has to win his own ball (usually in the corner) where all he can do is recycle the ball back out for someone else to shoot. We can argue all we want the pros and cons of the way gavin devlin makes tyrone play, but don't be silly enough to believe that a good forward would make a difference


Doubt your concussed chief, Canavagh - 3points from play - ulster title, costello (although hasn't proven himself)- 3points from play - All-Ireland title, P Geany Kerry, 2-3 points in semi-final and pushed dublin all the way, Conor McManus - do monaghan win ulster titles without him?, Paddy McBearty etc etc these guys make the difference   

Currently we have no forwards to really worry top opposition and therefore the lethargic buildup play and wait to Harte, Donnelly or cavanagh comes on a burst, a top forward inside would force tyrone to move the ball quicker and stretch the opposition  but on a side note would start lee brennan and carry him for a few years just for the frees