Meath V Tyrone Qualifier Round 1 Saturday 9th June 2018

[Jinxy]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

[longballin]

Lucky is only Meath we're playing with that background going on..

[Jinxy]

Sickening arrogance.

[LeoMc]

With so many of our key men already out it may work in our favour, as it's going to be very tough for Meath to come up with a targeted strategy of late tackles and head stamping at such short notice. What odds on Matty Donnelly being in some form of head bandage before half time?

Who's yer best rugby tackler now that Big Sean has hung up his swimming togs?

We need to find someone who can rugby tackle to try to stop Joe Sheridan touching down under the posts. Sludden wasn't up to the job the last day.

[tyroneman]

Sickening arrogance.

Yeh, but yis are getting better at hiding it

[seafoid]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time.  Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .

Nobody ever criticised Franco either.  They just changed everything after he left the stage 
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.

Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.

[BennyHarp]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time.  Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .

Nobody ever criticised Franco either.  They just changed everything after he left the stage 
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.

Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.

Nobody criticises Mickey Harte? What planet are you on?

[seafoid]

Can Meath bate Tyrone and win BGT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8yD3-HWTg

[trileacman]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time.  Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .

Nobody ever criticised Franco either.  They just changed everything after he left the stage 
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.

Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.

It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.

For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him  time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.

[seafoid]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time.  Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .

Nobody ever criticised Franco either.  They just changed everything after he left the stage 
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.

Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.

It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.

For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him  time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.

Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.

[Fuzzman]

Does anyone else think Meath and Kildare chose to get out of the Leinster championship as early as they could
They know its soul destroying playing in a competition they have no chance of EVER winning and so the quicker they get into the qualifiers the better. They could get a good run of matches and build up a head of steam, rather than getting to a Leinster final, take a massive hammering and then not recover in time for the last round of qualifiers.

I wonder was there any strange betting activity last weekend in Kildare and Dulchieland?

Some interesting reading from the infamous 1996 when Meath taught Tyrone a vital lesson.
Who would have thought that year that Meath football would take such a downturn?
Are they any good at hurling or camogie?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/ill-never-forget-the-day-bad-blood-spilled-over-tyrone-31367412.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/how-meath-taught-tyrone-the-hard-way-to-win-sam-26308686.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tyrone-fall-to-the-guile-of-meath-1.78134

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Quite correct Fuzz, and what an enormous debt of gratitude we still owe to those Meath hoors of '96, and how they (literally) kicked the winning of those All-Irelands into us, long may we be (ever so) grateful, your honour! 

As they say, there's no greater form of flattery than imitation, and little was that imitation in 2013 & 2015... let us fully thank them for their munificence in Páirc Tailteann on June 9th. Léan ar Aghaidh! 

[Hardy]

Every misbegotten cult has its foundation myth.

[omaghjoe]

Every misbegotten cult has its foundation myth.

Yeah the myth in Meath was that ye had good footballers.

However ye now know that ye kicked, punched and gouged yer way to AllIrelands.

[Jinxy]

We never gouged.