AISF Mayo v Dublin

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Diarmuid Connolly got sent off for something very similar in the 2011 semi against Donegal and that card was overturned before the final.

Correct.  The referee had apparently failed to follow the correct protocol in the sending off.  So Connolly got off on a technicality, not on the idea that "sure he only gave him a bit of a tap."   

That was why I was asking if anyone knew what the basis was for rescinding Keane's red card.

[rosnarun]

from the Rule book

not sure why people are referring to  the Fact it Was a fist in the Rules only hand is mentioned and no mention is made with it is to the body or Face,

Technicaly Both should have gone but in the real world neither should have been sent off

from the rule book

Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.

[muppet]

Diarmuid Connolly got sent off for something very similar in the 2011 semi against Donegal and that card was overturned before the final.

Go to 9:57 on this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnJPTENOKk

Kevin Keane did much the same with an open hand. Technically is it a red. That red and reversal of the free could have cost Dublin the All-Ireland in 2011. I suspect Donaghy's 'simulation' might have persuaded the ref to ignore it.

My point is not to highlight Brennan's or Donaghy's rule breaking, but to show that our games can come down to very tight calls that the refs really have very little chance to get right.

If the incident above was reffed by 10 different refs you might have had any of the following scenarios:

* yellow card to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy for simulation, red to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy for simulation, red to Brennan - throw ball
* red to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy - free to Dublin

And possibly more.

To be fair to the ref I think he did well and throwing the ball up was correct, but I think he could have been showing cards. If there was a replay those cards could have been crucial.

With video evidence and a TMO it might have been a lot easier, but of course it would disrupt the flow of the game. And given the way some counties play, we would spend most of the day waiting for the TMO.

Maybe we could do it like the Tennis. Maybe each team gets a maximum number (say 3) of TMO reviews per half for defined categories of incident?

[muppet]

from the Rule book

not sure why people are referring to  the Fact it Was a fist in the Rules only hand is mentioned and no mention is made with it is to the body or Face,

Technicaly Both should have gone but in the real world neither should have been sent off

from the rule book

Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.

Keegan was sent off last year for 2 above under the attempting to kick rule.

Donnacha Walsh should have gone for the worst fake tantrum to get a man sent off ever seen rule.

[INDIANA]

Diarmuid Connolly got sent off for something very similar in the 2011 semi against Donegal and that card was overturned before the final.

Diarmuid got off because deegan never noted it in his notebook. So unfortunately fellas the last 5/6 posts on this are absolutely redundant. He didn't get it overturned for the strike- he got it overturned on a technicality otherwise he hadn't a leg to stand on and would have missed the AI Final

[Il Bomber Destro]

from the Rule book

not sure why people are referring to  the Fact it Was a fist in the Rules only hand is mentioned and no mention is made with it is to the body or Face,

Technicaly Both should have gone but in the real world neither should have been sent off

from the rule book

Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.

You do realise there's a difference between a strike, a grab and a push.

Murphy PUSHES Keane in the chest and then GRABS a hold of his jersey. Keane punches Murphy on the butt of his chin.

You know those doors with no handles and the small metal push sign? Do you strike them open?

[Mayo4Sam14]

from the Rule book

not sure why people are referring to  the Fact it Was a fist in the Rules only hand is mentioned and no mention is made with it is to the body or Face,

Technicaly Both should have gone but in the real world neither should have been sent off

from the rule book

Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.

You do realise there's a difference between a strike, a grab and a push.

Murphy PUSHES Keane in the chest and then GRABS a hold of his jersey. Keane punches Murphy on the butt of his chin.

You know those doors with no handles and the small metal push sign? Do you strike them open?

Is that not the right way?

[From the Bunker]

Posters will sit and analyse his strike all day, but the ruling is made and he is proven innocent (in the eyes of the GAA and that's all that counts!). That's the way.

Keanes strike was/is a Red Card offence. No doubt! Mayo as is their right contested the decision and the verdict swung our way. And do we care what anyone thinks?

No! but this comes with a caveat.


Personally I'd rather the Red stayed. Referees don't like to be undermined and they are a closely net bunch. Better to take you medicine and move on, especially with a squad player. An over turned decision can lead to the refereeing farce we had in Limerick last year. They are human after all and a team that questions their judgement has to get into their head.

[Mayo4Sam14]

Posters will sit and analyse his strike all day, but the ruling is made and he is proven innocent (in the eyes of the GAA and that's all that counts!). That's the way.

Keanes strike was/is a Red Card offence. No doubt! Mayo as is their right contested the decision and the verdict swung our way. And do we care what anyone thinks?

No! but this comes with a caveat.


Personally I'd rather the Red stayed. Referees don't like to be undermined and they are a closely net bunch. Better to take you medicine and move on, especially with a squad player. An over turned decision can lead to the refereeing farce we had in Limerick last year. They are human after all and a team that questions their judgement has to get into their head.

Cormac Reilly gave the red card to Leeroy, and he was the ref that put on a 'performance' in Limerick, any link between the two events?

[INDIANA]

Diarmuid Connolly got sent off for something very similar in the 2011 semi against Donegal and that card was overturned before the final.

Go to 9:57 on this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnJPTENOKk

Kevin Keane did much the same with an open hand. Technically is it a red. That red and reversal of the free could have cost Dublin the All-Ireland in 2011. I suspect Donaghy's 'simulation' might have persuaded the ref to ignore it.

My point is not to highlight Brennan's or Donaghy's rule breaking, but to show that our games can come down to very tight calls that the refs really have very little chance to get right.

If the incident above was reffed by 10 different refs you might have had any of the following scenarios:

* yellow card to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy for simulation, red to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy for simulation, red to Brennan - throw ball
* red to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy - free to Dublin

And possibly more.

To be fair to the ref I think he did well and throwing the ball up was correct, but I think he could have been showing cards. If there was a replay those cards could have been crucial.

With video evidence and a TMO it might have been a lot easier, but of course it would disrupt the flow of the game. And given the way some counties play, we would spend most of the day waiting for the TMO.

Maybe we could do it like the Tennis. Maybe each team gets a maximum number (say 3) of TMO reviews per half for defined categories of incident?

As said previously Deegan didn't note Dermot in his book. Hence he never sent the player off. Hence it was over-turned.

They aren't the same. The GAA needs to decide what constitutes a strike and what doesn't.

[five points]

Cormac Reilly gave the red card to Leeroy, and he was the ref that put on a 'performance' in Limerick, any link between the two events?

It was David Coldrick who red carded Keegan.

[muppet]

Diarmuid Connolly got sent off for something very similar in the 2011 semi against Donegal and that card was overturned before the final.

Go to 9:57 on this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnJPTENOKk

Kevin Keane did much the same with an open hand. Technically is it a red. That red and reversal of the free could have cost Dublin the All-Ireland in 2011. I suspect Donaghy's 'simulation' might have persuaded the ref to ignore it.

My point is not to highlight Brennan's or Donaghy's rule breaking, but to show that our games can come down to very tight calls that the refs really have very little chance to get right.

If the incident above was reffed by 10 different refs you might have had any of the following scenarios:

* yellow card to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy for simulation, red to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy for simulation, red to Brennan - throw ball
* red to Brennan - free to Kerry
* yellow to Donaghy - free to Dublin

And possibly more.

To be fair to the ref I think he did well and throwing the ball up was correct, but I think he could have been showing cards. If there was a replay those cards could have been crucial.

With video evidence and a TMO it might have been a lot easier, but of course it would disrupt the flow of the game. And given the way some counties play, we would spend most of the day waiting for the TMO.

Maybe we could do it like the Tennis. Maybe each team gets a maximum number (say 3) of TMO reviews per half for defined categories of incident?

As said previously Deegan didn't note Dermot in his book. Hence he never sent the player off. Hence it was over-turned.

They aren't the same. The GAA needs to decide what constitutes a strike and what doesn't.

I wasn't connecting the above with Connolly. Merely that small differences in tight calls can have a major bearing on things.

[Mayo4Sam14]

Cormac Reilly gave the red card to Leeroy, and he was the ref that put on a 'performance' in Limerick, any link between the two events?

It was David Coldrick who red carded Keegan.

It wasn't, Cormac Reilly, linesman for that game, made the decision

[muppet]

from the Rule book

not sure why people are referring to  the Fact it Was a fist in the Rules only hand is mentioned and no mention is made with it is to the body or Face,

Technicaly Both should have gone but in the real world neither should have been sent off

from the rule book

Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.

You do realise there's a difference between a strike, a grab and a push.

Murphy PUSHES Keane in the chest and then GRABS a hold of his jersey. Keane punches Murphy on the butt of his chin.

You know those doors with no handles and the small metal push sign? Do you strike them open?

Actually, there isn't a difference between a strike and a push for our purposes.

In the dictionary the only difference between a strike and a push, is that the latter causes the object to move.

But a push fulfils the definition of a strike. Both require force and both require contact. Force + contact = a strike.

[Stall the Bailer]

from the Rule book

not sure why people are referring to  the Fact it Was a fist in the Rules only hand is mentioned and no mention is made with it is to the body or Face,

Technicaly Both should have gone but in the real world neither should have been sent off

from the rule book

Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.

You do realise there's a difference between a strike, a grab and a push.

Murphy PUSHES Keane in the chest and then GRABS a hold of his jersey. Keane punches Murphy on the butt of his chin.

You know those doors with no handles and the small metal push sign? Do you strike them open?

Actually, there isn't a difference between a strike and a push for our purposes.

In the dictionary the only difference between a strike and a push, is that the latter causes the object to move.

But a push fulfils the definition of a strike. Both require force and both require contact. Force + contact = a strike.

It does make a difference in the GAA rule book, not sure what you meant by "our purposes". Pushing is one type of foul, resulting in a free kick. Striking is a different foul resulting in a red card.