Europe. Will it split in the future?

[BennyCake]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Well of course people are going to think it's great being in the eu since the brexit vote, and the scaremongering that's happened since. If people are told something is bad, the vast majority are going to believe it, even if it's complete bollix.

So, having experienced the last two-and-a-half years, your considered conclusion is that the 92% of Irish people who want to remain in the EU are wrong and we should embark on an exit programme?

While being in the EU has its advantages, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It gives with one hand and takes with the other.

Irish people voted down two referendums regarding Europe, and were forced to vote again. So you can't tell me Irish people aren't just a tad cynical when it comes to the EU.

[Dolph1]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Well of course people are going to think it's great being in the eu since the brexit vote, and the scaremongering that's happened since. If people are told something is bad, the vast majority are going to believe it, even if it's complete bollix.

So, having experienced the last two-and-a-half years, your considered conclusion is that the 92% of Irish people who want to remain in the EU are wrong and we should embark on an exit programme?

While being in the EU has its advantages, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It gives with one hand and takes with the other.

Irish people voted down two referendums regarding Europe, and were forced to vote again. So you can't tell me Irish people aren't just a tad cynical when it comes to the EU.

Especially when you hear rumblings about a EU army and conscription for member states.
Leo and the boys have already been in talks. Shhhhh!!

[Hardy]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Vested interest lobby group commissions poll that gives it the result to justify its agenda shocker.

I never had you pegged for a conspiracy theorist, but that suggestion is wacky. The poll was done by Red C. Do you really imagine they would fake a poll? And fake such a huge margin of consensus?

[Hardy]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Well of course people are going to think it's great being in the eu since the brexit vote, and the scaremongering that's happened since. If people are told something is bad, the vast majority are going to believe it, even if it's complete bollix.

So, having experienced the last two-and-a-half years, your considered conclusion is that the 92% of Irish people who want to remain in the EU are wrong and we should embark on an exit programme?

While being in the EU has its advantages, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It gives with one hand and takes with the other.

Irish people voted down two referendums regarding Europe, and were forced to vote again. So you can't tell me Irish people aren't just a tad cynical when it comes to the EU.

Just for clarity then - you ARE proposing, even in the light of the experience of the last two-and-a-half years that we should exit the EU? And the mandate for that would come from where?

[omaghjoe]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Well of course people are going to think it's great being in the eu since the brexit vote, and the scaremongering that's happened since. If people are told something is bad, the vast majority are going to believe it, even if it's complete bollix.

So, having experienced the last two-and-a-half years, your considered conclusion is that the 92% of Irish people who want to remain in the EU are wrong and we should embark on an exit programme?

While being in the EU has its advantages, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It gives with one hand and takes with the other.

Irish people voted down two referendums regarding Europe, and were forced to vote again. So you can't tell me Irish people aren't just a tad cynical when it comes to the EU.

Especially when you hear rumblings about a EU army and conscription for member states.
Leo and the boys have already been in talks. Shhhhh!!

Irish people need to face the reality that they have been getting a free ride from NATO and Britain for years.
With NATO rudderless at the moment its interests have diverged somewhat from the EU. A strong military force with your common interests is a necessary for a strong diplomatic hand which itself lends itself to improved trade deals and economic activity. The EU needs a joint military force to act in its interest to maintain its diplomatic strength

Irish people love to get in their Ivory Tower about neutrality but its because they have been allowed to live protected from reality to an extent. Nuclear Power is another one, on the one hand tut-tuting about Carbon emissions on the one hand but vehemently opposed to nuclear power on the other.

[sid waddell]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Vested interest lobby group commissions poll that gives it the result to justify its agenda shocker.

I never had you pegged for a conspiracy theorist, but that suggestion is wacky. The poll was done by Red C. Do you really imagine they would fake a poll? And fake such a huge margin of consensus?

Everybody who wants Ireland to leave the EU is a conspiracy theorist on some level.

It goes with the territory.

[BennyCake]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Well of course people are going to think it's great being in the eu since the brexit vote, and the scaremongering that's happened since. If people are told something is bad, the vast majority are going to believe it, even if it's complete bollix.

So, having experienced the last two-and-a-half years, your considered conclusion is that the 92% of Irish people who want to remain in the EU are wrong and we should embark on an exit programme?

While being in the EU has its advantages, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It gives with one hand and takes with the other.

Irish people voted down two referendums regarding Europe, and were forced to vote again. So you can't tell me Irish people aren't just a tad cynical when it comes to the EU.

Just for clarity then - you ARE proposing, even in the light of the experience of the last two-and-a-half years that we should exit the EU? And the mandate for that would come from where?

Where did I say that?

[Rossfan]

By the way nobody in the 26 Cos. is " forced to vote".

[trailer]

A country's government will say they are so happy being in the EU, but the people think differently. The Lisbon Treaty being the perfect example.

For all this EU arselicking from Dublin, a lot of ordinary  Irish people don't like or trust the EU.

Fake news.
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/programmes/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/

Well of course people are going to think it's great being in the eu since the brexit vote, and the scaremongering that's happened since. If people are told something is bad, the vast majority are going to believe it, even if it's complete bollix.

So, having experienced the last two-and-a-half years, your considered conclusion is that the 92% of Irish people who want to remain in the EU are wrong and we should embark on an exit programme?

While being in the EU has its advantages, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It gives with one hand and takes with the other.

Irish people voted down two referendums regarding Europe, and were forced to vote again. So you can't tell me Irish people aren't just a tad cynical when it comes to the EU.

Especially when you hear rumblings about a EU army and conscription for member states.
Leo and the boys have already been in talks. Shhhhh!!

An EU Army is a good thing. Especially for Ireland.

[BennyCake]

If you say so, trailer 

[bennydorano]

How fucked will Ireland be if & when Corporate Taxes are harmonised across the EU? Greater integration of Europe will be it's downfall.

[armaghniac]

Tax harmonisation would make it harder to get new business, but there wouldn't be sny real reason for all the companies to leave. Some would leave, some would pay more tax. Not great, but not catastrophic either.

[LeoMc]

Tax harmonisation would make it harder to get new business, but there wouldn't be sny real reason for all the companies to leave. Some would leave, some would pay more tax. Not great, but not catastrophic either.

Ireland will still be the English speaking gateway to Europe.

[bennydorano]

Yeah, apart from the stratospheric wages that are paid compared to other areas of the EU, companies haven't got form for shifting operations to save a few bob or anything.

[Rossfan]

The more fucked we get the further away any prospects for Irish Unity as well have less money for the Poor relations.