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QuoteThe GAA has officially opened its new National Games Development Centre at Abbotstown on the site of the National Sports Campus.
The recently completed project includes a total of five playing pitches - four of them full size and all of them floodlit -  a 3G pitch, a hurling wall and a pavilion which houses 10 dressing rooms, a reception area, gymnasium, physiotherapy facilities, referees rooms, meeting rooms and dining facilities. A covered seated spectator area adjoining the pavilion can cater for 400 people.

This look's like a fantastic facility but I have one question- What/Who is it for?

I'd say most people will never step foot in the place.

Since I'm from Kildare and we're AI champions in whinging it would be remit of me not to mention that of the three counties closest, Kildare have Hawkfield and it's debt, Meath have Dungany and it's debt, therefore it's only fair that Dublin get to use it.

National games development centre???? :D :D :D Are they having a laugh? It's the Dublin games development centre and everyone knows it.

I might look to book a slot in it for the craic. See what happens :)

Afaik, Dublin will be paying fairly hefty rent to use it , if they choose to use it.

Read somewhere also that it is available for the many challenge games involving intercounty teams that struggle to get a venue to play games.

Virtually on the Meath border anyway  and on a motorway . A great location for challenge games for alot of counties. Ideal venue for say a Armagh/ Wexford  or say a Roscommon/ Down challenge game.

A poor man's Dunganny.

More misery for Westmeath, couple of clubs do quite well hosting challenge games, etc. around the county.

Quote from: Canalman on April 04, 2016, 05:01:35 PM
Afaik, Dublin will be paying fairly hefty rent to use it , if they choose to use it.

Read somewhere also that it is available for the many challenge games involving intercounty teams that struggle to get a venue to play games.

Virtually on the Meath border anyway  and on a motorway . A great location for challenge games for alot of counties. Ideal venue for say a Armagh/ Wexford  or say a Roscommon/ Down challenge game.

Okay but your don't spend €15 Million just to play challenge games and have a few training sessions. I mean if it was going to become HQ to parts of the GAA then it might be worth it but so far I haven't seen any plans for that sort of thing.

I heard Roscommon will be playing all their home games there from now on.

I reckon the Fingal franchise will use it as HQ after the split  ;) ;)

Quote from: Jinxy on April 04, 2016, 05:15:54 PM
I heard Roscommon will be playing all their home games there from now on.

Will enable ye bucks to have a look at First Division football then ;D

Quote from: Jinxy on April 04, 2016, 05:15:54 PM
I heard Roscommon will be playing all their home games there from now on.

Sure it is right beside the National Aquatic center so they should feel at home anyway.

Lookit lads - this is why Frank Murphy's Cork decided to only have one pitch at the Cork new centre of excellence.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/national-sports-campus-set-to-be-dublins-new-training-base-381256.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/national-sports-campus-set-to-be-dublins-new-training-base-381256.html)

^ So again all of us are paying for something Dublin gain from. A new state of the art training facility to go along with paying for their 80,000 capacity home stadium, aswell ofcourse as paying for developing all their players. And do we hear a word of gratitude from the Dubs? Not at all. They have no shame.

Quote from: Stad on April 04, 2016, 08:19:01 PM
^ So again all of us are paying for something Dublin gain from. A new state of the art training facility to go along with paying for their 80,000 capacity home stadium, aswell ofcourse as paying for developing all their players. And do we hear a word of gratitude from the Dubs? Not at all. They have no shame.

Sure it's nothing to do with money don't be stupid it's just all those volunteers giving up their time. Orwell would be proud.

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 04, 2016, 08:41:19 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 04, 2016, 08:19:01 PM
^ So again all of us are paying for something Dublin gain from. A new state of the art training facility to go along with paying for their 80,000 capacity home stadium, aswell ofcourse as paying for developing all their players. And do we hear a word of gratitude from the Dubs? Not at all. They have no shame.

Sure it's nothing to do with money don't be stupid it's just all those volunteers giving up their time. Orwell would be proud.

Ah you're right there, sure all those paid coaches and organisers are just gettin in the way.

QuoteSo again all of us are paying for something Dublin gain from. A new state of the art training facility to go along with paying for their 80,000 capacity home stadium, aswell ofcourse as paying for developing all their players. And do we hear a word of gratitude from the Dubs? Not at all. They have no shame.

Never let it be said - Thanks lads

Dublin don't need to use it and imagine wont use it much. Dublin have the best and naturally gifted players the country has seen and playing the best brand of football ever seen, why go out to there. It was built to improve the weaker counties such as Meath, Kildare etc.

Quote from: The Aristocrat on April 05, 2016, 08:37:11 AM
Dublin don't need to use it and imagine wont use it much. Dublin have the best and naturally gifted players the country has seen and playing the best brand of football ever seen, why go out to there. It was built to improve the weaker counties such as Meath, Kildare etc.

Actually Dublin is set to become the anchor tenant as soon as possible. Read below-

National Sports Campus set to be Dublin's new training base

Set to open on April 2, a significant part of the GAA's 30-acre national games and development centre on the Abbotstown site is set to become a de facto centre of excellence for the county.

Dublin's footballers and hurlers currently train on DCU's pitches in St Clare's, Glasnevin but the indications are they will move their operations to the Blanchardstown venue where there will be four sand-based pitches and a 3G pitch, all floodlit. One of the fields will have the exact dimensions of the Croke Park playing surface.

The Dublin County Board are expected to use the €2m promised to them by the GAA for the scrapped development of a green site in Rathcoole to go towards the rental fees in becoming tenants-in-chief there.

Money from Croke Park's staging of rugby and soccer games in the 2000s had been ring-fenced for the project in the south-west of the county.

The GAA have contributed €8m towards their NSC development, which also includes 10 dressing rooms, a 450-seat stand and ancillary facilities. In his annual report released last month, director general Páraic Duffy said the centre will assist the Leinster Council as well as Dublin in delivering its games programmes. Duffy has previously stressed Dublin won't have exclusive use of the centre although the county board have made it clear their intentions to take up training residency there.

They have also estimated the take-up from neighbouring counties to use the venue won't be large.

Dublin's relocation from Glasnevin would be ideal particularly for Jim Gavin's footballers. Their strength and conditioning work has been done in the National Athletic Development Academy, two kilometres away from the NSC. Since December 2012, they have also had a partnership with the NSC's National Aquatic Centre (NAC) "as part of their overall training and recuperation strategy".

Quote from: Declan on April 05, 2016, 08:22:43 AM

QuoteSo again all of us are paying for something Dublin gain from. A new state of the art training facility to go along with paying for their 80,000 capacity home stadium, aswell ofcourse as paying for developing all their players. And do we hear a word of gratitude from the Dubs? Not at all. They have no shame.

Never let it be said - Thanks lads

;D

Can't see Jim Gavin letting the whole country watch his training session out in Abbottstown but I'm sure the development/underage squads will be camped out there.

Yep. There is no way the Dublin seniors will be anywhere near Abbotstown, from oh....about Paddys Day to August/September. They may do some 'clear the cobwebs out' sessions in the depths of winter, that they aren't terribly bothered about anyone seeing. Once the league is in full swing, you won't ser them for dust.

Quote from: GlenMan on April 05, 2016, 11:04:19 AM

Quote from: The Aristocrat on April 05, 2016, 08:37:11 AM
Dublin don't need to use it and imagine wont use it much. Dublin have the best and naturally gifted players the country has seen and playing the best brand of football ever seen, why go out to there. It was built to improve the weaker counties such as Meath, Kildare etc.

Actually Dublin is set to become the anchor tenant as soon as possible. Read below-

National Sports Campus set to be Dublin's new training base

Set to open on April 2, a significant part of the GAA's 30-acre national games and development centre on the Abbotstown site is set to become a de facto centre of excellence for the county.

Dublin's footballers and hurlers currently train on DCU's pitches in St Clare's, Glasnevin but the indications are they will move their operations to the Blanchardstown venue where there will be four sand-based pitches and a 3G pitch, all floodlit. One of the fields will have the exact dimensions of the Croke Park playing surface.

The Dublin County Board are expected to use the €2m promised to them by the GAA for the scrapped development of a green site in Rathcoole to go towards the rental fees in becoming tenants-in-chief there.

Money from Croke Park's staging of rugby and soccer games in the 2000s had been ring-fenced for the project in the south-west of the county.

The GAA have contributed €8m towards their NSC development, which also includes 10 dressing rooms, a 450-seat stand and ancillary facilities. In his annual report released last month, director general Páraic Duffy said the centre will assist the Leinster Council as well as Dublin in delivering its games programmes. Duffy has previously stressed Dublin won't have exclusive use of the centre although the county board have made it clear their intentions to take up training residency there.

They have also estimated the take-up from neighbouring counties to use the venue won't be large.

Dublin's relocation from Glasnevin would be ideal particularly for Jim Gavin's footballers. Their strength and conditioning work has been done in the National Athletic Development Academy, two kilometres away from the NSC. Since December 2012, they have also had a partnership with the NSC's National Aquatic Centre (NAC) "as part of their overall training and recuperation strategy".

All speculation in that article which I think came from the Cork Examiner.

Playing to the gallery big time.

You'd swear all these centres of excellence built the length and breadth of the country were built without GAA or Government grants themselves.

Some people just cannot accept the fact that townies might in fact be better footballers than them at the moment. All a great laugh when Dublin footballers  were losing semi finals and quarter finals in humiliating circumstances................ not so now.

I don't see how a concept like this would be anything other than a money pit without an anchor tenant, and let's be honest, there is only one potential tenant.

Have to say it's a disgusting waste of money from the GAA. Growth of Gaelic Games is dependent on nationwide participation, which requires counties across Ireland being able to compete like for like. A facility in the middle of Ireland is of absolutely no use to any county beyond the Midlands.

My own county is destroyed with debt from a fiasco when they tried to build one these centres themselves. I'm sure there's a similar story at play in half a dozen other counties. Half a million Euro to each of those would have been a more pragmatic spend, with guaranteed usage, and guaranteed long term results.

Quote from: thewobbler on April 05, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
I don't see how a concept like this would be anything other than a money pit without an anchor tenant, and let's be honest, there is only one potential tenant.

Have to say it's a disgusting waste of money from the GAA. Growth of Gaelic Games is dependent on nationwide participation, which requires counties across Ireland being able to compete like for like. A facility in the middle of Ireland is of absolutely no use to any county beyond the Midlands.

My own county is destroyed with debt from a fiasco when they tried to build one these centres themselves. I'm sure there's a similar story at play in half a dozen other counties. Half a million Euro to each of those would have been a more pragmatic spend, with guaranteed usage, and guaranteed long term results.

this whole wheeze goes back to the Bertie bowl and in in return for Political Favours . for Abbottstown to work the GAA FAI and IRFU had to have a presence there , when the bowl itself was Scrapped  to save face it became even more essential . so to curry favour the Aviva  was built Croke park got a few extra quid for the debt and every one is Happy .
Maybe a few new clubs could be developed in the area with all the extra pitches??

I look forward to seeing National Games Development Centre Gaels line out in the Dublin championship.

Maybe Meath could use it and sell the green grassy slopes.
We in Connacht of course won't need it as we have the PrentyCentre in Ballyhaunis which is so handy for Melvin Gaels, Portumna, Belmullet etc etc.

How much did this development cost?

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
Maybe Meath could use it and sell the green grassy slopes.
We in Connacht of course won't need it as we have the PrentyCentre in Ballyhaunis which is so handy for Melvin Gaels, Portumna, Belmullet etc etc.

Name a location that would suit those 3 clubs.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 05, 2016, 04:01:55 PM
How much did this development cost?

Around €15 Million.

Quote from: GlenMan on April 05, 2016, 05:11:11 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 05, 2016, 04:01:55 PM
How much did this development cost?

Around €15 Million.

Looking at the state of some of the facilities round the country spending that sort of money on this project isn't coming across as the most sensible idea.

Quote from: ballinaman on April 05, 2016, 04:34:36 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
Maybe Meath could use it and sell the green grassy slopes.
We in Connacht of course won't need it as we have the PrentyCentre in Ballyhaunis which is so handy for Melvin Gaels, Portumna, Belmullet etc etc.

Name a location that would suit those 3 clubs.

1 in Leitrim.
1 in Co Galway
1 in Central Mayo.
Also 1 in Sligo and 1  in Ros.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 06:41:11 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on April 05, 2016, 04:34:36 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
Maybe Meath could use it and sell the green grassy slopes.
We in Connacht of course won't need it as we have the PrentyCentre in Ballyhaunis which is so handy for Melvin Gaels, Portumna, Belmullet etc etc.

Name a location that would suit those 3 clubs.

1 in Leitrim.
1 in Co Galway
1 in Central Mayo.
Also 1 in Sligo and 1  in Ros.

Fair few bob they would cost...

Quote from: ballinaman on April 05, 2016, 08:17:19 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 06:41:11 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on April 05, 2016, 04:34:36 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
Maybe Meath could use it and sell the green grassy slopes.
We in Connacht of course won't need it as we have the PrentyCentre in Ballyhaunis which is so handy for Melvin Gaels, Portumna, Belmullet etc etc.

Name a location that would suit those 3 clubs.

1 in Leitrim.
1 in Co Galway
1 in Central Mayo.
Also 1 in Sligo and 1  in Ros.

Fair few bob they would cost...

The money spent on the Prentyarena in Bekan would have covered them no doubt.

One of the fields will have the exact dimensions of the Croke Park playing surface.

That will be handy for Dublin to get practice regularly on a copy of the pitch they get loads of time playing competitive games on.

Hard to know what to make of all the money and facilities available to Dublin. Look, you have to accommodate a large population centre. The problem is a monster has been created and I believe this is not the peak of it. There are more and more quality players coming on stream. There is nothing the GAA can do. They cannot impose financial restrictions. They can't pull against progress! Can they? Besides the financial benefits. The business side of the League and Championship sees Dublin with all home games.

Anyway we have gone too far down this road. There is no turning back. Money is more important than anyone or anything in the GAA. The same as money is important with other competing codes. You cant stop progress!

It's laughable reading the bullshit here.

Dublin would never house themselves there for training. Simply because the location is so bad mid-week.

Endless traffic jams and crashes on the M50.

DCU suits all parties. Easy to get to. Gym beside the pitch. All weather surface available if required.

But please keep going . It's entertaining.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2016, 08:47:41 PM
It's laughable reading the bullshit here.

Dublin would never house themselves there for training. Simply because the location is so bad mid-week.

Endless traffic jams and crashes on the M50.

DCU suits all parties. Easy to get to. Gym beside the pitch. All weather surface available if required.

But please keep going . It's entertaining.

Now I don't know Dublin very well.

But given that it's a big f**ker of a city, with one main ring road, would the majority of Dublin players not use that same M50 to get to training in DCU?

I mean they're hardly all from Ballymun ffs.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2016, 08:47:41 PM
It's laughable reading the bullshit here.

Dublin would never house themselves there for training. Simply because the location is so bad mid-week.

Endless traffic jams and crashes on the M50.

DCU suits all parties. Easy to get to. Gym beside the pitch. All weather surface available if required.

But please keep going . It's entertaining.

Who is it for then?

Quote from: thewobbler on April 05, 2016, 09:08:52 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2016, 08:47:41 PM
It's laughable reading the bullshit here.

Dublin would never house themselves there for training. Simply because the location is so bad mid-week.

Endless traffic jams and crashes on the M50.

DCU suits all parties. Easy to get to. Gym beside the pitch. All weather surface available if required.

But please keep going . It's entertaining.

Now I don't know Dublin very well.

But given that it's a big f**ker of a city, with one main ring road, would the majority of Dublin players not use that same M50 to get to training in DCU?

I mean they're hardly all from Ballymun ffs.

Most of them work in town. Far easier to get to DCU from the City Centre then having to navigate the M50 around Blanchardstown. You'd need a helicopter to get up the slip road to the Aquatic Centre in the evenings during the week. Most of the players didn't like having to go to Martin Kennedys place beside the Aquatic Centre when he was S&C coach there for that reason.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2016, 10:03:53 PM

Quote from: thewobbler on April 05, 2016, 09:08:52 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 05, 2016, 08:47:41 PM
It's laughable reading the bullshit here.

Dublin would never house themselves there for training. Simply because the location is so bad mid-week.

Endless traffic jams and crashes on the M50.

DCU suits all parties. Easy to get to. Gym beside the pitch. All weather surface available if required.

But please keep going . It's entertaining.

Now I don't know Dublin very well.

But given that it's a big f**ker of a city, with one main ring road, would the majority of Dublin players not use that same M50 to get to training in DCU?

I mean they're hardly all from Ballymun ffs.

Most of them work in town. Far easier to get to DCU from the City Centre then having to navigate the M50 around Blanchardstown. You'd need a helicopter to get up the slip road to the Aquatic Centre in the evenings during the week. Most of the players didn't like having to go to Martin Kennedys place beside the Aquatic Centre when he was S&C coach there for that reason.

Who is it for then?

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 08:31:00 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on April 05, 2016, 08:17:19 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 06:41:11 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on April 05, 2016, 04:34:36 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
Maybe Meath could use it and sell the green grassy slopes.
We in Connacht of course won't need it as we have the PrentyCentre in Ballyhaunis which is so handy for Melvin Gaels, Portumna, Belmullet etc etc.

Name a location that would suit those 3 clubs.

1 in Leitrim.
1 in Co Galway
1 in Central Mayo.
Also 1 in Sligo and 1  in Ros.

Fair few bob they would cost...

The money spent on the Prentyarena in Bekan would have covered them no doubt.

Have you ever been to the COE in Bekan? They don't have the money to finish it as it stands, don't know how they'd afford 5 of them.

Quote from: GlenMan on April 05, 2016, 11:04:19 AM

Quote from: The Aristocrat on April 05, 2016, 08:37:11 AM
Dublin don't need to use it and imagine wont use it much. Dublin have the best and naturally gifted players the country has seen and playing the best brand of football ever seen, why go out to there. It was built to improve the weaker counties such as Meath, Kildare etc.

Actually Dublin is set to become the anchor tenant as soon as possible. Read below-

National Sports Campus set to be Dublin's new training base

Set to open on April 2, a significant part of the GAA's 30-acre national games and development centre on the Abbotstown site is set to become a de facto centre of excellence for the county.

Dublin's footballers and hurlers currently train on DCU's pitches in St Clare's, Glasnevin but the indications are they will move their operations to the Blanchardstown venue where there will be four sand-based pitches and a 3G pitch, all floodlit. One of the fields will have the exact dimensions of the Croke Park playing surface.

The Dublin County Board are expected to use the €2m promised to them by the GAA for the scrapped development of a green site in Rathcoole to go towards the rental fees in becoming tenants-in-chief there.

Money from Croke Park's staging of rugby and soccer games in the 2000s had been ring-fenced for the project in the south-west of the county.

The GAA have contributed €8m towards their NSC development, which also includes 10 dressing rooms, a 450-seat stand and ancillary facilities. In his annual report released last month, director general Páraic Duffy said the centre will assist the Leinster Council as well as Dublin in delivering its games programmes. Duffy has previously stressed Dublin won't have exclusive use of the centre although the county board have made it clear their intentions to take up training residency there.

They have also estimated the take-up from neighbouring counties to use the venue won't be large.

Dublin's relocation from Glasnevin would be ideal particularly for Jim Gavin's footballers. Their strength and conditioning work has been done in the National Athletic Development Academy, two kilometres away from the NSC. Since December 2012, they have also had a partnership with the NSC's National Aquatic Centre (NAC) "as part of their overall training and recuperation strategy".

Only time will tell, but as I said, the hatred is at the Dublin senior footballers on this site and all other counties, so I think you all can relax as it wont matter much if they do or don't use it as Dublin are going to be there or there abouts for eternity. That is not to say Dublin Hurlers and underage teams wont use it.

The weaker counties can use it, wont make them any better.

Quote from: From the Bunker on April 05, 2016, 08:43:35 PM
One of the fields will have the exact dimensions of the Croke Park playing surface.

That will be handy for Dublin to get practice regularly on a copy of the pitch they get loads of time playing competitive games on.

Hard to know what to make of all the money and facilities available to Dublin. Look, you have to accommodate a large population centre. The problem is a monster has been created and I believe this is not the peak of it. There are more and more quality players coming on stream. There is nothing the GAA can do. They cannot impose financial restrictions. They can't pull against progress! Can they? Besides the financial benefits. The business side of the League and Championship sees Dublin with all home games.

Anyway we have gone too far down this road. There is no turning back. Money is more important than anyone or anything in the GAA. The same as money is important with other competing codes. You cant stop progress!

They could allocate dressing rooms and ends of the pitch to warm up on a lottery basis instead of treating one county different to the other 31 that use it.

I don't hate the Dublin senior footballers or hulrers, however I do have issues with the amount of money the GAA is giving the Dublin Co. Board, specifically for Games Development, when it is compared with the amount other county boards are getting. I think it is a major contributing factor to the likely pre-eminence of Dublin on the Senior IC stage for many years to come, and is not a level playing field. (No pun intended).

This development looks fantastic, and I'm sure the Dublin Development Squads will get fantastic use out of it. It's hard not to be jealous of stuff like that. And when you know they are paying for it with money the GAA have given them in the first place for this purpose, it's even harder to swallow :)

Still, we'll get on with it, do our best and continue to try and compete and develop players as best we can.

It's getting like Dublin are the big local Professional soccer club while the rest of us are the small non league cash strapped amateur clubs struggling and looking with envy at the luxury up the road.
At least the big pro soccer club have to play against similar teams and the little clubs don't play in the same competitions.

Since the emergence of the new Croke Park stadium. The GAA got confidence in its standing. In the past it was not always been about the GAA taking on other codes in the Capital. But the last decade plus or so it has been and rightly so! You can't just sit on your hands and be happy with your lot. The GAA has taken on a lot of sports in the Capital and they are winning hands down and must be commended. The Problem is they are not playing against these codes in competition. They are playing against the counties in the rest in the rest of the country who are on different investments. So here we are, left with a real whopper of a conundrum. You can't undermine the great movements forward by the GAA and on the other hand you can't have a Intercounty Championship that looses all sense of competitiveness. The leinster Championship is nearly non existent. Second favourites for the title are Kildare at 12/1. And for those who say this is a fad - 11 Leinster titles in 12 years has dominance written all over it.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2016, 11:11:37 AM
It's getting like Dublin are the big local Professional soccer club while the rest of us are the small non league cash strapped amateur clubs struggling and looking with envy at the luxury up the road.
At least the big pro soccer club have to play against similar teams and the little clubs don't play in the same competitions.

Stop crying and get over it. Dublin have always had the population, finances and facilities over all other counties except perhaps Tyrone with their 10 million British pound funded centre of excellence. 

Roscommon are division 1. Are in a league semi. Have good young players. Have a experienced GAA man in charge, have a team bus. the future is bright so please concentrate on your own team.

Quote from: From the Bunker on April 06, 2016, 01:36:18 PM
Since the emergence of the new Croke Park stadium. The GAA got confidence in its standing. In the past it was not always been about the GAA taking on other codes in the Capital. But the last decade plus or so it has been and rightly so! You can't just sit on your hands and be happy with your lot. The GAA has taken on a lot of sports in the Capital and they are winning hands down and must be commended. The Problem is they are not playing against these codes in competition. They are playing against the counties in the rest in the rest of the country who are on different investments. So here we are, left with a real whopper of a conundrum. You can't undermine the great movements forward by the GAA and on the other hand you can't have a Intercounty Championship that looses all sense of competitiveness. The leinster Championship is nearly non existent. Second favourites for the title are Kildare at 12/1. And for those who say this is a fad - 11 Leinster titles in 12 years has dominance written all over it.

This has been said a hundred times before. It is very desirable that the GAA fund grassroots development in Dublin, but it is most undesirable if that then feed into county (or club team) that overthrow the competitive nature of the inter-county championship.

But then we always get "I'm alright, I am a Jack, F u" type response.

Indeed Armagh - see the post before yours!!
Obvious way to even inter County competition is of course to split the 1.25 million Dublin into 4 as per the Council areas.

Conor McKeon article in the Heddild yesterday said that the Dublin Seniors won't be using the new facility. Said they are staying in DCU & Inisfails for the next few years. They'll use the new gym in Abbotstown, that they paid to be kitted out - but that's about it. Hard to know who to believe any more. What I do find it hard to believe, is their doing any serious pitch training sessions in full view of everyone. The article isn't up on the Heralds website, so I can't link to it.

I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

We've earned all out titles. 

We bankroll a lot of Clubhouses and pitches as well

None of you complain about that.

Other counties simply took their eye off the ball

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

It is the reason why attendances at Dublin games have somewhat collapsed in comparison to 10-15 years ago where Dublin Meath games would get 80000+ and a Dublin Kildare game wouldn't be far behind. Now a lot of their fans are waiting until the semi final at least before turning up while opposition fans have given up years ago.

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 06, 2016, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

It is the reason why attendances at Dublin games have somewhat collapsed in comparison to 10-15 years ago where Dublin Meath games would get 80000+ and a Dublin Kildare game wouldn't be far behind. Now a lot of their fans are waiting until the semi final at least before turning up while opposition fans have given up years ago.

You've no excuse. You pissed all your resources away paying managers

There must be an incredibly strong lobby for the dubs in the halls of power. 

1.46 million buys sam maguire.  Kildare and meath won't buy it with their paltry 46 and 42 thousand each.
Maybe a B championship is required for the other 31 counties who get jack sh1t

Quote from: INDIANA on April 06, 2016, 10:35:19 PM

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 06, 2016, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

It is the reason why attendances at Dublin games have somewhat collapsed in comparison to 10-15 years ago where Dublin Meath games would get 80000+ and a Dublin Kildare game wouldn't be far behind. Now a lot of their fans are waiting until the semi final at least before turning up while opposition fans have given up years ago.

You've no excuse. You pissed all your resources away paying managers

Kildare under McGeeney:

Highest paid and most expensive management team
Most expensive training sessions in the country
Centre of excellence
Still couldn't win a raffle

Other counties (especially those who's brief period of success coincided wth the 120m GBP windfall from Her Majesty) should concentrate on setting standards in their own counties.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 06, 2016, 07:48:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

We've earned all out titles. 

We bankroll a lot of Clubhouses and pitches as well

None of you complain about that.

Other counties simply took their eye off the ball

You've bought your titles.

The clubhouses could have been paid for with the millions given to Dublin GAA.

Other counties are still amateur while Dublin are professional.

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 06, 2016, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

It is the reason why attendances at Dublin games have somewhat collapsed in comparison to 10-15 years ago where Dublin Meath games would get 80000+ and a Dublin Kildare game wouldn't be far behind. Now a lot of their fans are waiting until the semi final at least before turning up while opposition fans have given up years ago.

It's killing GAA in Leinster. What's the point in even running the Leinster championship anymore?

Quote from: heffo on April 07, 2016, 08:30:54 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 06, 2016, 10:35:19 PM

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 06, 2016, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

It is the reason why attendances at Dublin games have somewhat collapsed in comparison to 10-15 years ago where Dublin Meath games would get 80000+ and a Dublin Kildare game wouldn't be far behind. Now a lot of their fans are waiting until the semi final at least before turning up while opposition fans have given up years ago.

You've no excuse. You pissed all your resources away paying managers

Kildare under McGeeney:

Highest paid and most expensive management team
Most expensive training sessions in the country
Centre of excellence
Still couldn't win a raffle

Other counties (especially those who's brief period of success coincided wth the 120m GBP windfall from Her Majesty) should concentrate on setting standards in their own counties.

Kildare didn't have 1.5 million every year available to develop players. Dublin did and it's why they've won 3 out of the last 5 All Irelands. They also were helped by all of us paying for their 80,000 capacity home stadium, their training facilities and of course with our money buying them titles it attracted sponsors like aig and a long list of others. This then helped them pay for their extensive backroom team. I could go on but you get the point. So instead of pointing fingers at other counties shouldn't you be showing us some gratitude? We've bought you everything, you're so ungrateful.

Quote from: heffo on April 07, 2016, 08:30:54 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 06, 2016, 10:35:19 PM

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 06, 2016, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

It is the reason why attendances at Dublin games have somewhat collapsed in comparison to 10-15 years ago where Dublin Meath games would get 80000+ and a Dublin Kildare game wouldn't be far behind. Now a lot of their fans are waiting until the semi final at least before turning up while opposition fans have given up years ago.

You've no excuse. You pissed all your resources away paying managers

Kildare under McGeeney:

Highest paid and most expensive management team
Most expensive training sessions in the country
Centre of excellence
Still couldn't win a raffle

Other counties (especially those who's brief period of success coincided wth the 120m GBP windfall from Her Majesty) should concentrate on setting standards in their own counties.

Agree, with the setting standards in their own counties. But you have to admit that Dublin is now head and shoulders above all teams in regards to almost all counties in regards advantages. You have no concept of how far ahead you are in regards funding and sponsorship. It's a different world! This coupled with the home venue issue makes it impossible for nearly all counties to be even anywhere near Dublin.

Don't be stupid FTB, Dublin's success is based on volunteerism and hard work. If you look for equality and fairness in what is suppose to be a somewhat socialist and indeed altruistic organisation you get accused of petty jealousy and p*ssing money away. This sense of dogma among Dublin supporters is pretty consistent and has to be admired but as someone once said what do expect expect from a pig but a grunt, Animal Farm we are indeed.

Quote from: Jinxy on April 04, 2016, 05:05:52 PM
A poor man's Dunganny.

Net fixing method in Dunganny

(http://www.meathchronicle.ie/cache/8236ea1344d6137536c4a0dd78ad6316.jpg)

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 07, 2016, 11:17:10 AM
Don't be stupid FTB, Dublin's success is based on volunteerism and hard work. If you look for equality and fairness in what is suppose to be a somewhat socialist and indeed altruistic organisation you get accused of petty jealousy and p*ssing money away. This sense of dogma among Dublin supporters is pretty consistent and has to be admired but as someone once said what do expect expect from a pig but a grunt, Animal Farm we are indeed.

I wouldn't expect more than a grunt from your likes alright.

Where are all the volunteers in Kildare? How many of the supporters who turn out when they feel they're favourites in a game are actively helping to raise standards in their club or for their county?

Why have Kildare underachieved so much with them having so many natural advantages (population, money, effectively a single code).

Aren't you the person who when told that Croke Park will arrange for a strategic planning officer to visit any club or county board and help develop a strategic plan for them asked why Croke Park have to be asked?

Are you happy Kildare are doing everything they can to ensure they set their own standards high or is the bar set so low it's comical?

^ :D :D :D

Not even an attempt made to defend the money Dublin have got! As I said on the last page, even the Dubs now accept that their is no defence.

Quote from: Stad on April 07, 2016, 01:30:38 PM
^ :D :D :D

Not even an attempt made to defend the money Dublin have got! As I said on the last page, even the Dubs now accept that their is no defence.

I don't engage with trolls.

Quote from: heffo on April 07, 2016, 12:23:49 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 07, 2016, 11:17:10 AM
Don't be stupid FTB, Dublin's success is based on volunteerism and hard work. If you look for equality and fairness in what is suppose to be a somewhat socialist and indeed altruistic organisation you get accused of petty jealousy and p*ssing money away. This sense of dogma among Dublin supporters is pretty consistent and has to be admired but as someone once said what do expect expect from a pig but a grunt, Animal Farm we are indeed.

I wouldn't expect more than a grunt from your likes alright.

Where are all the volunteers in Kildare? How many of the supporters who turn out when they feel they're favourites in a game are actively helping to raise standards in their club or for their county?

Why have Kildare underachieved so much with them having so many natural advantages (population, money, effectively a single code).

Aren't you the person who when told that Croke Park will arrange for a strategic planning officer to visit any club or county board and help develop a strategic plan for them asked why Croke Park have to be asked?

Are you happy Kildare are doing everything they can to ensure they set their own standards high or is the bar set so low it's comical?

Can't remember the last underage game Dublin out-supported Kildare, majority of games Dublin were favourites, maybe the 2003 u21 final in Navan, Bryan Cullen was captain, same Bryan Cullen who is now working professionally for Dublin. How many other counties have a High Performance Manager?

Nothing wrong with our volunteers if only we had an army of paid coaches to help compliment them. The gap only grows at senior, myriad of factors some cultural, some down to poor coach coaching (can't be denied) but providing the right support structures for players to develop needs money. Kildare players do a lot of their own fund-raising but an amateur set-up can't keep with the professionals, Kerry and Donegal have to get private investment into the millions to keep-up and it's literally just keeping up. Eventually that money will dry up for them and we will be left with Streau Dublin.

But hey maintain the Dogma, someday the penny will drop.

But for a poor tactical showing from Jim Gavin the Dubs would be on for 4 in a row this summer and their dominance would really be questioned all over the media. Its easy for everyone to say playing in Corker for every game is an advantage to them but it wasn't that long ago where they claimed it was proving a hindrance. It does look ominous for the rest for the next few years but that can easily change, Dublin dominating the championship and winning just for example 7 or 8 of the next 10 championships doesn't do the GAA any favours, attendances at games in Leinster are already suffering and will get worse. I don't know what affect this has on viewing figures but i'd imagine they are been affected and this in turn surely will affect sponsorship. Dublin's dominance has coincided with a poorest Meath team I've witnessed to make matters worse. They might won a championship for the next few years and all the talk of advantages will go away.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 07, 2016, 02:22:55 PM
But for a poor tactical showing from Jim Gavin the Dubs would be on for 4 in a row this summer and their dominance would really be questioned all over the media. Its easy for everyone to say playing in Corker for every game is an advantage to them but it wasn't that long ago where they claimed it was proving a hindrance. It does look ominous for the rest for the next few years but that can easily change, Dublin dominating the championship and winning just for example 7 or 8 of the next 10 championships doesn't do the GAA any favours, attendances at games in Leinster are already suffering and will get worse. I don't know what affect this has on viewing figures but i'd imagine they are been affected and this in turn surely will affect sponsorship. Dublin's dominance has coincided with a poorest Meath team I've witnessed to make matters worse. They might won a championship for the next few years and all the talk of advantages will go away.

agreed, how can it go any other way with one team a million miles ahead of their nearest rivals? Watching your team getting pummeled by Dublin in Croke Pk or watching them shadow box another county, with the winners going on to get the inevitable pummeling , I wouldn't blame any man nor beast from staying away . All Dublin's matches are also broadcast live on the box, but gone are the days I'd tune in to marvel at their attacking play and ruthless defending, instead your now watching a grizzly toying with a kitten with the kitten lying in 20 pieces after 15 mins, which holds zero appeal. Its a hard watch for a neutral, I cant imagine what it's like for a supporter of one of these counties. The Leinster championship is a complete non-entity and will be for a long time to come.

Quote from: heffo on April 07, 2016, 02:12:18 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 07, 2016, 01:30:38 PM
^ :D :D :D

Not even an attempt made to defend the money Dublin have got! As I said on the last page, even the Dubs now accept that their is no defence.

I don't engage with the reality of Dublin's professional set up.

That's what you meant to say.

Gotta love the whinging.

Suck it up crybabies.

Are the same people complaining about Kilkenny's utter dominance in hurling?

What about Kerry winning 4 in a rows?

Dublin being good means Meath and Kildare have the excuse to be pants?
No excuse for Meath and Kildare to fall so far behind Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone. Sorry for bringing Meath into, as I know they are far more annoyed with themselves than the Dubs. But the flourbag whingebags are a laughing stock.

Was it money that produced Diarmuid Connolly and Paul Flynn? That makes them work their absolute boll*x off every game, that makes them catch high balls and kick monster points? Two of the best half forwards ever, that happened to come along at the same time, and instead of praising them people want to put them down because there is money being pumped into grassroots level?
Money produced Stephen Cluxton, the greatest keeper of all time, who has changed the way the position looked at? Seriously, do people actually think that money has even the slightest thing to do with that?

Dublin happen to have the greatest bunch of players they've ever had. Success also breeds success so we are building on it. But the really great players haven't got long left, and at underage we're not dominating in any similar way. Players coming through over the next few years will certainly be no better than Kildare's.

We won't be the best team for too much longer, so sit back and enjoy it while it lasts. Though I guarantee if/when Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone play us in championship this year, all of them will feel they can beat us.

And Leinster will turnaround also, though I do dread it. When Meath get to 80% as good as us, they'll probably take us. When Kildare get to 120% as good as us, they might even take us too.

Hound, if the money isn't a major factor, just give it back. Or even just take the same as Cork.

Of course there's more than money goes into it, but you cannot deny that money makes it an awful lot easier to get good coaches, get into the clubs and schools and help develop the players.

Quote from: Hound on April 07, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Gotta love the whinging.

Suck it up crybabies.

Are the same people complaining about Kilkenny's utter dominance in hurling?

What about Kerry winning 4 in a rows?

Dublin being good means Meath and Kildare have the excuse to be pants?
No excuse for Meath and Kildare to fall so far behind Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone. Sorry for bringing Meath into, as I know they are far more annoyed with themselves than the Dubs. But the flourbag whingebags are a laughing stock.

Was it money that produced Diarmuid Connolly and Paul Flynn? That makes them work their absolute boll*x off every game, that makes them catch high balls and kick monster points? Two of the best half forwards ever, that happened to come along at the same time, and instead of praising them people want to put them down because there is money being pumped into grassroots level?
Money produced Stephen Cluxton, the greatest keeper of all time, who has changed the way the position looked at? Seriously, do people actually think that money has even the slightest thing to do with that?

Dublin happen to have the greatest bunch of players they've ever had. Success also breeds success so we are building on it. But the really great players haven't got long left, and at underage we're not dominating in any similar way. Players coming through over the next few years will certainly be no better than Kildare's.

We won't be the best team for too much longer, so sit back and enjoy it while it lasts. Though I guarantee if/when Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone play us in championship this year, all of them will feel they can beat us.

And Leinster will turnaround also, though I do dread it. When Meath get to 80% as good as us, they'll probably take us. When Kildare get to 120% as good as us, they might even take us too.

Absolutely. Not understanding how eliminates you from the conversation

More money ensures that more players maximum their abilities and potential.

Most counties wouldn't have the same number of players with natural ability as dublin to start with (which I don't have a problem with), but Dublin (with more money) will also maximise a greater % of those players potential.

In my mind, to create a (somewhat) level playing field, every county should get the same amount of money per registered club player (or maybe per registered club team) in that county! (I'm ignoring sponsorship money here because I think that'll balance itself out over time if/when dublin regress and other counties become more successful, and in reality there is very little can be done about this anyway)

I actually think that the money given to Dublin should not necessarily be reduced. But every other county should have their funds from HQ increased.

In reality there will always be inequities - unless we completely rip up the whole association and start from scratch again!

Quote from: Hound on April 07, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Gotta love the whinging.

Suck it up crybabies.

Are the same people complaining about Kilkenny's utter dominance in hurling?

What about Kerry winning 4 in a rows?

Dublin being good means Meath and Kildare have the excuse to be pants?
No excuse for Meath and Kildare to fall so far behind Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone. Sorry for bringing Meath into, as I know they are far more annoyed with themselves than the Dubs. But the flourbag whingebags are a laughing stock.

Was it money that produced Diarmuid Connolly and Paul Flynn? That makes them work their absolute boll*x off every game, that makes them catch high balls and kick monster points? Two of the best half forwards ever, that happened to come along at the same time, and instead of praising them people want to put them down because there is money being pumped into grassroots level?
Money produced Stephen Cluxton, the greatest keeper of all time, who has changed the way the position looked at? Seriously, do people actually think that money has even the slightest thing to do with that?

Dublin happen to have the greatest bunch of players they've ever had. Success also breeds success so we are building on it. But the really great players haven't got long left, and at underage we're not dominating in any similar way. Players coming through over the next few years will certainly be no better than Kildare's.

We won't be the best team for too much longer, so sit back and enjoy it while it lasts. Though I guarantee if/when Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone play us in championship this year, all of them will feel they can beat us.

And Leinster will turnaround also, though I do dread it. When Meath get to 80% as good as us, they'll probably take us. When Kildare get to 120% as good as us, they might even take us too.

Can you name the winners of the Leinster U21 championship for the last 3 years? It's the same county that have won 6 of the last 8 Leinster U21 chapionships. It's also the same county that have won 3 of the last 6 All Ireland U21 championships. That to me is dominating and probably the most important championship when it comes to transitioning players to senior level. And yes, I would also have an issue with Kilkenny's complete and utter disregard for football. The gap between Dublin and the rest is only going to increase, not decrease.

Quote from: Hound on April 07, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Gotta love the whinging.

Suck it up crybabies.

Are the same people complaining about Kilkenny's utter dominance in hurling?

What about Kerry winning 4 in a rows?

Dublin being good means Meath and Kildare have the excuse to be pants?
No excuse for Meath and Kildare to fall so far behind Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone. Sorry for bringing Meath into, as I know they are far more annoyed with themselves than the Dubs. But the flourbag whingebags are a laughing stock.

Was it money that produced Diarmuid Connolly and Paul Flynn? That makes them work their absolute boll*x off every game, that makes them catch high balls and kick monster points? Two of the best half forwards ever, that happened to come along at the same time, and instead of praising them people want to put them down because there is money being pumped into grassroots level?
Money produced Stephen Cluxton, the greatest keeper of all time, who has changed the way the position looked at? Seriously, do people actually think that money has even the slightest thing to do with that?

Dublin happen to have the greatest bunch of players they've ever had. Success also breeds success so we are building on it. But the really great players haven't got long left, and at underage we're not dominating in any similar way. Players coming through over the next few years will certainly be no better than Kildare's.

We won't be the best team for too much longer, so sit back and enjoy it while it lasts. Though I guarantee if/when Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone play us in championship this year, all of them will feel they can beat us.

And Leinster will turnaround also, though I do dread it. When Meath get to 80% as good as us, they'll probably take us. When Kildare get to 120% as good as us, they might even take us too.

2008
Dublin 1-8 Tyrone 3-14.
Cluxton and Connolly started this game.

2009
Dublin 1-7 Kerry 1-24
Cluxton, Connolly and Flynn started this game.

Strange that the greatest players of all time were part of the Dublin team that were getting absolute hammerings in the late naughties. Do you think the improvement in results after this had anything to do with the conveyor belt of talent that was paid for by all of us? Or do you deny the obvious? O'Sullivan, O'Carroll, Fitzsimons, McCarthy..... the list goes on and on. Also Flynn was basically a full time athlete for a number of years.

Are you somehow trying to claim that enormous amounts of money has no effect on the success of a team? That's like claiming black is white, it's ridiculous. Now stop having a pop at other counties and face facts, there'd be no All Ireland's for Dublin without the money and the unfair advantages handed to Dublin are ruining Gaelic football.

Quote from: Hound on April 07, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Gotta love the whinging.

Suck it up crybabies.

Are the same people complaining about Kilkenny's utter dominance in hurling?

What about Kerry winning 4 in a rows?

Dublin being good means Meath and Kildare have the excuse to be pants?
No excuse for Meath and Kildare to fall so far behind Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone. Sorry for bringing Meath into, as I know they are far more annoyed with themselves than the Dubs. But the flourbag whingebags are a laughing stock.

Was it money that produced Diarmuid Connolly and Paul Flynn? That makes them work their absolute boll*x off every game, that makes them catch high balls and kick monster points? Two of the best half forwards ever, that happened to come along at the same time, and instead of praising them people want to put them down because there is money being pumped into grassroots level?
Money produced Stephen Cluxton, the greatest keeper of all time, who has changed the way the position looked at? Seriously, do people actually think that money has even the slightest thing to do with that?

Dublin happen to have the greatest bunch of players they've ever had. Success also breeds success so we are building on it. But the really great players haven't got long left, and at underage we're not dominating in any similar way. Players coming through over the next few years will certainly be no better than Kildare's.

We won't be the best team for too much longer, so sit back and enjoy it while it lasts. Though I guarantee if/when Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone play us in championship this year, all of them will feel they can beat us.

And Leinster will turnaround also, though I do dread it. When Meath get to 80% as good as us, they'll probably take us. When Kildare get to 120% as good as us, they might even take us too.

I'd call it concern Hound

Here's what Dublin have won since 2009:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013, 2015
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014, 2015

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012, 2014
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

In 7 years that 31 titles by my count!!!

Here's what they won in the 7 years between 2002 and 2009:

Senior
Football
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2003
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2002, 2003, 2005

Minor
Football
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2003

That's 10! But of course money had nothing to do with the huge increase!!! :D

Quote from: Stad on April 07, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
In 7 years that 31 titles by my count!!!

Here's what they won in the 7 years between 2002 and 2009:

Senior
Football
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2003
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2002, 2003, 2005

Minor
Football
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2003

That's 10! But of course money had nothing to do with the huge increase!!! :D

Are you from Laois by any chance?

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 07, 2016, 05:59:24 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 07, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
In 7 years that 31 titles by my count!!!

Here's what they won in the 7 years between 2002 and 2009:

Senior
Football
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2003
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2002, 2003, 2005

Minor
Football
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2003

That's 10! But of course money had nothing to do with the huge increase!!! :D

Are you from Laois by any chance?

What does it matter where he is from? Is he wrong? And explain your reply!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dubs-to-fund-abbotstown-gym-34609400.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dubs-to-fund-abbotstown-gym-34609400.html)

Dublin County Board is providing the funding to equip the new state-of-the-art gymnasium at the GAA's National Games Development Centre in Abbotstown.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 08, 2016, 08:07:52 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dubs-to-fund-abbotstown-gym-34609400.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dubs-to-fund-abbotstown-gym-34609400.html)

Dublin County Board is providing the funding to equip the new state-of-the-art gymnasium at the GAA's National Games Development Centre in Abbotstown.

Very altruistic of them!

It's a bit like someone who's been given a Ferrari saying, "I didn't get it for nothing, I had to pay for the wipers out of my own pocket."

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Heard Dublin are going to call it this..

It's got very quiet in here. None of our Dublin posters defending their Cash Cow! They are probably hoping that this topic drifts to the bottom of the page and then onto the next page and then is forgotten about until the next big handout!

Quote from: Stad on April 07, 2016, 09:14:42 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 06, 2016, 07:48:06 PM

Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

We've earned all out titles. 

We bankroll a lot of Clubhouses and pitches as well

None of you complain about that.

Other counties simply took their eye off the ball

You've bought your titles.

The clubhouses could have been paid for with the millions given to Dublin GAA.

Other counties are still amateur while Dublin are professional.

I didn't realise the Dublin players all jacked in their dayjobs and make their living from playing GAA

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I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

We've earned all out titles. 

We bankroll a lot of Clubhouses and pitches as well

None of you complain about that.

Other counties simply took their eye off the ball

You've bought your titles.

The clubhouses could have been paid for with the millions given to Dublin GAA.

Other counties are still amateur while Dublin are professional.

We won through hard work. You should try it an odd time. You might achieve something

We're not apologising for being the best

Even when Kildare have a 50% percent better u21 team they still can't beat us.

What can we do to get better is the question we ask ourselves.

Other counties just ask how much can we whinge.

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Quote from: Stad on April 07, 2016, 09:14:42 AM

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Quote from: Stad on April 06, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I think even some of the Dubs are questioning it at this stage. What's the point in winning things if you haven't earned it? I wonder do supporters of teams in other sports question the validity of things they won? Like the soccer clubs with billionaires backing them or rugby teams with similar financial backing. I suppose the opportunity for other teams to do similar is possible in those sports but not in the GAA world. In fact, is there any example of another team that gets bankrolled by the actual governing body of a sport like we see with Dublin? It's crazy when you think about it.

We've earned all out titles. 

We bankroll a lot of Clubhouses and pitches as well

None of you complain about that.

Other counties simply took their eye off the ball

You've bought your titles.

The clubhouses could have been paid for with the millions given to Dublin GAA.

Other counties are still amateur while Dublin are professional.

We won through hard work. You should try it an odd time. You might achieve something

We're not apologising for being the best

Even when Kildare have a 50% percent better u21 team they still can't beat us.

What can we do to get better is the question we ask ourselves.

Other counties just ask how much can we whinge.

A couple of Million since you ask how much!

Hey, of course Dublin GAA works hard. There is no doubt about that. You can't get to where you are without work. They have a above decent team (and getting better each year). They have huge advantages, in that all because of economics all their players are based in the Capital. Work is made a available to suit their lifestyle, PR representatives, Work schemes, College, and all of this local. They travel little or nothing from April to September for games, in fact they don't travel at all. All home games in the familiar surrounding of Croke Park. Their own Dressing room, their own warm up area and all getting to sleep in their own beds the night before the game. There is no worry of support. Dublin supporters can get up in the afternoon get the dart, bus, luas to the game. So the cost factor in time and money is little. This means bigger support.

Now we come down to the support network. The backroom team. This is where things can get crazy! Individual Caterers, different coaches, drivers, Medics, Solicitors, Video analysists etc. Some that are hands on for most of the year, some who pop in and out as they are needed. All (you'd expect) are very good at what they do and all (you'd expect) cost a lot of money for their expertise. Many of the chasing bunch will have same amount (if lucky) of backroom experts and support, but on a smaller cost (and often lesser expertise).

On the development level. Huge grants far out weigh anything going to any other counties. Biggest amount of full time coaches. This leads to proper development of young players.

Sponsorship is a bottomless pit of tenders. County Sponsors, Team Sponsors, Training Sponsors! Money is not an object and there is a queue to be associated with the Dublin GAA brand.

It's so in your face that most GAA fans don't see this. Dublin fans talk about having their house in order and having no debt, but this is easy when you have a constant wind fall each year and have no costs/debts in maintaining your home ground (Croker) and the infrastructure around you.

Dublin at the moment look like winning the next 5 Leinsters. That will be Crossmaglen dominance of Leinster. Mayo and Donegal will evolve back to mediocrity and lower team budgets (as their counties will not be able to justify the cost). Kerry might knock a dent here and there.

How do fix this? Is it something that needs fixing?

The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

Laughed when i seen that! Yeah, pretty depressing stuff if you are county in the Leinster Championship. County Reps in the Leinster council have to get their act together as to looking for home venues or at least neutral venues for Championship games. To much plámásing to the Dubs for the last decade!

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

All self inflicted. You had the population, the club base and the money and you pissed it all away

But blame us. It's easier. It's typically your average Irish-man's response to most things

That's why Ireland isn't a world leader in anything except drinking Guiness

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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

All self inflicted. You had the population, the club base and the money and you pissed it all away

But blame us. It's easier. It's typically your average Irish-man's response to most things

That's why Ireland isn't a world leader in anything except drinking Guiness

Do you think Indiana that they (Kildare) spent more in past seasons than you are spending now? What do you think should be (should have been) the ceiling for the amount of money a county like Kildare should spend?

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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

All self inflicted. You had the population, the club base and the money and you pissed it all away

But blame us. It's easier. It's typically your average Irish-man's response to most things

That's why Ireland isn't a world leader in anything except drinking Guiness

Do you think Indiana that they (Kildare) spent more in past seasons than you are spending now?

It's our money.

Generated by us- so we'll spend it any bloody way we like

The difference is we spend it well

We don't spend it on waste of time managers

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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

All self inflicted. You had the population, the club base and the money and you pissed it all away

But blame us. It's easier. It's typically your average Irish-man's response to most things

That's why Ireland isn't a world leader in anything except drinking Guiness

Do you think Indiana that they (Kildare) spent more in past seasons than you are spending now?

It's our money.

Generated by us- so we'll spend it any bloody way we like

The difference is we spend it well

We don't spend it on waste of time managers

What do you think should be (should have been) the ceiling for the amount of money a county like Kildare should spend?

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Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2016, 04:43:56 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on April 09, 2016, 04:42:37 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2016, 03:53:11 PM

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

All self inflicted. You had the population, the club base and the money and you pissed it all away

But blame us. It's easier. It's typically your average Irish-man's response to most things

That's why Ireland isn't a world leader in anything except drinking Guiness

Do you think Indiana that they (Kildare) spent more in past seasons than you are spending now?

It's our money.

Generated by us- so we'll spend it any bloody way we like

The difference is we spend it well

We don't spend it on waste of time managers

What do you think should be (should have been) the ceiling for the amount of money a county like Kildare should spend?

Kildare have a serious problem in getting the correct expertise in their management teams. They have the money, population and a top class development structure as good as anything we have.
Cian O Neill is a step in the right direction. They were 50% better then us man to man last Saturday in the u21 leinster final but they wet their pants when they saw the finishing line. That's the weakest Dublin u21 football team for about 10 years

that's not money - that's balls.And it's been a problem in Kildare football since the 50's.

But spin the money line - it certainly suits Kildare.

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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 09, 2016, 04:42:37 PM

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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 08, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
The next 5 Leinsters is being optimistic, I can't see anyone challenging in the next 10. Only Kildare have been competitive at underage level and there isn't a hope of that transferring to senior level with the gap in resources. Cian O'Neill would need to be the greatest manager in the history of the GAA to manage Kildare to win a Leinster.

All self inflicted. You had the population, the club base and the money and you pissed it all away

But blame us. It's easier. It's typically your average Irish-man's response to most things

That's why Ireland isn't a world leader in anything except drinking Guiness

Do you think Indiana that they (Kildare) spent more in past seasons than you are spending now?

It's our money.

Generated by us- so we'll spend it any bloody way we like

The difference is we spend it well

We don't spend it on waste of time managers

What do you think should be (should have been) the ceiling for the amount of money a county like Kildare should spend?

Kildare have a serious problem in getting the correct expertise in their management teams. They have the money, population and a top class development structure as good as anything we have.
Cian O Neill is a step in the right direction. They were 50% better then us man to man last Saturday in the u21 leinster final but they wet their pants when they saw the finishing line. That's the weakest Dublin u21 football team for about 10 years

that's not money - that's balls.And it's been a problem in Kildare football since the 50's.

But spin the money line - it certainly suits Kildare.

Are you saying they are in the same league as yourselves Money wise and infrastructure? If they are, they sure are wasting a lot of money and should be reprimanded by the GAA. Sorry I never knew the wealth of their coffers. They are a disgrace!

Dublin spend an exponentially larger amount of money than any county in Ireland on developing young players. As a result of GAA investment because it's the population centre, the number of primary school coaches, ft club coaches and development staff and facilities for all year round coaching dwarfs the rest of the country.

A middle of the road Dublin club will typically have as many full time coaches as most counties. That long term investment has produced a conveyor belt of well coached players from most clubs with developed skill sets, great habits and years ahead of their competitors athletically. If you think Dublin generated all of the resources for that heavy and repeated investment then you are deluded or wilfully ignoring fact. The GAA were pouring money into coaching in Dublin long before any recent commercial enterprises and it is the investment of ten years ago and more you are looking at the fruits of now.

Most counties are in a position of hoarding every player that comes through to 15 with decent skill set and aptitude for the game. They then go about trying to build in athletic development, mental skills, work rate, etc. In the hope of bringing as many as possible through. Dublin have an embarrassment of options at development squad level. If a player lacks in areas a or b at that stage, well the next candidate will probably have less gaps. That's the fruit of the sustained, quality and holistic coaching from fundamentals through to competitive levels and that costs a lot of money - repeatedly.

Of course the alternative explanation is that Dublin people are somehow innately superior and that coaches and administrators elsewhere are lazy and clueless. Both reasonable positions to hold...

Quote from: DuffleKing on April 09, 2016, 05:14:58 PM
Dublin spend an exponentially larger amount of money than any county in Ireland on developing young players. As a result of GAA investment because it's the population centre, the number of primary school coaches, ft club coaches and development staff and facilities for all year round coaching dwarfs the rest of the country.

A middle of the road Dublin club will typically have as many full time coaches as most counties. That long term investment has produced a conveyor belt of well coached players from most clubs with developed skill sets, great habits and years ahead of their competitors athletically. If you think Dublin generated all of the resources for that heavy and repeated investment then you are deluded or wilfully ignoring fact. The GAA were pouring money into coaching in Dublin long before any recent commercial enterprises and it is the investment of ten years ago and more you are looking at the fruits of now.

Most counties are in a position of hoarding every player that comes through to 15 with decent skill set and aptitude for the game. They then go about trying to build in athletic development, mental skills, work rate, etc. In the hope of bringing as many as possible through. Dublin have an embarrassment of options at development squad level. If a player lacks in areas a or b at that stage, well the next candidate will probably have less gaps. That's the fruit of the sustained, quality and holistic coaching from fundamentals through to competitive levels and that costs a lot of money - repeatedly.

Of course the alternative explanation is that Dublin people are somehow innately superior and that coaches and administrators elsewhere are lazy and clueless. Both reasonable positions to hold...

You have to admit all this money is well spent! Gaelic football is more popular in Dublin that it has ever been before. Dublin are winning before and after them everybody is happy. Dublin are the main financiers of the GAA. So it is important they are reimbursed and helped to grow bigger?

Are we going to permanently imbalance the gaa at club and county level, are we developing 1 county to win everything. Are we happy with this position? This seems out of control and very poorly managed. The gaa model is being screwed if the rumours of county minors getting delivered fruit salads is true.

Quote from: rrhf on April 09, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
Are we going to permanently imbalance the gaa at club and county level, are we developing 1 county to win everything. Are we happy with this position? This seems out of control and very poorly managed. The gaa model is being screwed if the rumours of county minors getting delivered fruit salads is true.

Yes, the Gaa went down a certain road 10+ years ago. There is no turning back! Without the losses to Soccer and Rugby. The various county boards around sat on their hands and let it happen without a whisper.

Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yep. Sad to see.

Quote from: rrhf on April 09, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
Are we going to permanently imbalance the gaa at club and county level, are we developing 1 county to win everything. Are we happy with this position? This seems out of control and very poorly managed. The gaa model is being screwed if the rumours of county minors getting delivered fruit salads is true.

We developed ourselves. Contrary to popular opinion. Northern Ireland didn't invent Gaelic Football.

We were winning All Irelands long before you ever came along sunshine.

Gaelic Football didn't begin in 2002. The status quo is what's it's always has been. Dublin and Kerry are the best two counties in Gaelic Football in the history of the association and always will be.

You can cut money- cut funding- give tyrone millions (like they got off the UK Govt)- those two counties will still be the best

I hope counties get access to that pitch which is the exact replica of Croke Park.

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

Hardly when the same two counties have won five out of the last 7 all ireland's

You're not very good at this are you?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2016, 08:14:47 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

Hardly when the same two counties have won five out of the last 7 all ireland's

You're not very good at this are you?

Now, Now, You see the dominance (Kerry/Dublin) as you say comes from times past! You don't want to go beyond 2002 for Ulster but you go beyond that when it's Kerry and Dublin.  ::)

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Quote from: INDIANA on April 10, 2016, 08:46:57 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2016, 08:14:47 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

Hardly when the same two counties have won five out of the last 7 all ireland's

You're not very good at this are you?

Now, Now, You see the dominance (Kerry/Dublin) as you say comes from times past! You don't want to go beyond 2002 for Ulster but you go beyond that when it's Kerry and Dublin.  ::)

Like death and taxes dublin and kerry win all irelands.

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Quote from: INDIANA on April 10, 2016, 08:46:57 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2016, 08:14:47 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

Hardly when the same two counties have won five out of the last 7 all ireland's

You're not very good at this are you?

Now, Now, You see the dominance (Kerry/Dublin) as you say comes from times past! You don't want to go beyond 2002 for Ulster but you go beyond that when it's Kerry and Dublin.  ::)

Like death and taxes dublin and kerry win all irelands.

Ah now you are getting into ancient History sure 15 of Dublins titles were won before the war!  :P

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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

Hardly when the same two counties have won five out of the last 7 all ireland's

You're not very good at this are you?

Now, Now, You see the dominance (Kerry/Dublin) as you say comes from times past! You don't want to go beyond 2002 for Ulster but you go beyond that when it's Kerry and Dublin.  ::)

Like death and taxes dublin and kerry win all irelands.

Ah now you are getting into ancient History sure 15 of Dublins titles were won before the war!  :P

At the end of this year we'll have won more AI's in the last 6 years then you've have won since 1884.

Ponder on that for a moment

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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Another win for Corporate GAA today.

Yes a good day for the GAA. The Big Dublin crowd truly justified the venue. Kerry and Donegal would never make up that difference no matter where else  it was played. The final will be the same little or nobody from Kerry. But the Dubs with easy access will more than make up the balance.

By the way Indiana Ulster Gaelic football did not begin in 2002. It had renaissance in the 60's and another in the 90's if you remember! You should especially remember the 90's.

I don't need to remember the 90's . It's ancient history- like Ulster Football in general these days

But was it not you that was quoting ancient history when you were talking of Dublin and Kerry Dominance?

Hardly when the same two counties have won five out of the last 7 all ireland's

You're not very good at this are you?

Now, Now, You see the dominance (Kerry/Dublin) as you say comes from times past! You don't want to go beyond 2002 for Ulster but you go beyond that when it's Kerry and Dublin.  ::)

Like death and taxes dublin and kerry win all irelands.

Ah now you are getting into ancient History sure 15 of Dublins titles were won before the war!  :P

At the end of this year we'll have won more AI's in the last 6 years then you've have won since 1884.

Ponder on that for a moment

Yes Mystic Meg! I believe you!

You have to laugh at ta Tubs beating their chest about their dominance. They have the same population as the entirety of Munster to pick from, more than twice of Connacht. I doubt your average Dub knows that, but for the ones that do, does it not take the good out of it? Can they still give Mayo people abuse about their All Irelands without feeling foolish?

Many Dublin people are ignorant about GAA, but not necessarily about demographics, so of course they know that they have more than entire provinces.

Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

Listen, there's nothing stopping Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone or Kerry using it provided they're willing to spend 6 hours on a bus.
It's not Dublin's fault everything is in Dublin.

Mullingar or Athlone would be Centre of the Nation.

You couldn't put it in the Midlands.

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2017, 10:01:53 AM
Mullingar or Athlone would be Centre of the Nation.

Sports Campus should be in Athlone, heart of the nation. Saw this graph yesterday which surprised me at the amount of commutes into the town.

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Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

I'd love to know how he came up with these figures. Was every player that entered Abbotstown surveyed? And what is the purpose of these figures? Is it to justify Dublin GAA using the facilties?

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

Ask him what % of those were from West of the Shannon/Dongeal

Quote from: mup on March 30, 2017, 11:53:32 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

I'd love to know how he came up with these figures. Was every player that entered Abbotstown surveyed? And what is the purpose of these figures? Is it to justify Dublin GAA using the facilties?

Presumably it's based on the booking - so if the Kildare U16's are using it they count them as from Kildare. Same as if say Moorefield booked it.

Sorry if the figures don't fit your narrative.

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 12:10:26 PM

Quote from: mup on March 30, 2017, 11:53:32 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

I'd love to know how he came up with these figures. Was every player that entered Abbotstown surveyed? And what is the purpose of these figures? Is it to justify Dublin GAA using the facilties?

Presumably it's based on the booking - so if the Kildare U16's are using it they count them as from Kildare. Same as if say Moorefield booked it.

Sorry if the figures don't fit your narrative.

Who were you representing when you asked for these figures?

Quote from: mup on March 30, 2017, 12:27:49 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 12:10:26 PM

Quote from: mup on March 30, 2017, 11:53:32 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

I'd love to know how he came up with these figures. Was every player that entered Abbotstown surveyed? And what is the purpose of these figures? Is it to justify Dublin GAA using the facilties?

Presumably it's based on the booking - so if the Kildare U16's are using it they count them as from Kildare. Same as if say Moorefield booked it.

Sorry if the figures don't fit your narrative.

Who were you representing when you asked for these figures?

Myself

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 01:53:17 PM

Quote from: mup on March 30, 2017, 12:27:49 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 12:10:26 PM

Quote from: mup on March 30, 2017, 11:53:32 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

I'd love to know how he came up with these figures. Was every player that entered Abbotstown surveyed? And what is the purpose of these figures? Is it to justify Dublin GAA using the facilties?

Presumably it's based on the booking - so if the Kildare U16's are using it they count them as from Kildare. Same as if say Moorefield booked it.

Sorry if the figures don't fit your narrative.

Who were you representing when you asked for these figures?

Myself

Interesting stat.

Makes one wonder why Dublin GAA would invest so much into this centre so.

I would be surprised if 85,000 individual players have used it since it opened.
My guess would be that number was calculated as follows.
For example, Meath minor squad of 30 players used the centre 5 times.
30 x 5 = 150.
That's 150 'visits', I suppose.
However it's still just 30 players.
Maybe I'm wrong on this but 85,000 seems very high to me.

maybe its the Dublin panel of 85 have used it 1000 times

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 02:14:45 PM
I would be surprised if 85,000 individual players have used it since it opened.
My guess would be that number was calculated as follows.
For example, Meath minor squad of 30 players used the centre 5 times.
30 x 5 = 150.
That's 150 'visits', I suppose.
However it's still just 30 players.
Maybe I'm wrong on this but 85,000 seems very high to me.

Remember a lot of the U17 Celtic challenge games were played there and by all accounts its a fantastic facility and that might skew the figures Heffo is quoting as those teams didn't chose to go to Abbotstown, the GAA chose the venue for them.

Remember there are 5 x pitches that cost €100 for 90 minutes  without floodlights or €150 with lights. The place is packed out.

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
Remember there are 5 x pitches that cost €100 for 90 minutes  without floodlights or €150 with lights. The place is packed out.

And with 80% from outside Dublin that's some going alright.

I suppose its better to have a National facility being used extensively rather than one in Athlone or wherever not being used.

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That 80% stat is very very dubious

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Quote from: johnneycool on March 30, 2017, 03:52:47 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
Remember there are 5 x pitches that cost €100 for 90 minutes  without floodlights or €150 with lights. The place is packed out.

And with 80% from outside Dublin that's some going alright.

I suppose its better to have a National facility being used extensively rather than one in Athlone or wherever not being used.

You would be amazed at the amount of requests clubs around the Athlone area get for hosting training from different counties & clubs. I don't have figures but i know its pretty much a closed shop, i.e.: impossible for teams/counties that don't have pre-existing arrangements to get access to pitches

Quote from: DuffleKing on March 30, 2017, 05:20:37 PM

That 80% stat is very very dubious

I'd say the fella running it is a Dub and all.

Quote from: Jinxy on March 30, 2017, 10:16:08 PM

Quote from: DuffleKing on March 30, 2017, 05:20:37 PM

That 80% stat is very very dubious

I'd say the fella running it is a Dub and all.

Kiwi. Supports Dublin though.

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2017, 08:08:20 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 07:23:08 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

Quote from: heffo on March 31, 2017, 08:22:46 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2017, 08:08:20 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 07:23:08 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

That's not my understanding heffo, was told that Dublin got first preference as to when they wanted to use it seeing as they kitted out the gym. Are the back ballers available for everyone to use as Cullen wanted to lock them away? Can't believe the GAA let Dublin put in branded county equipment into a national centre. Actually now that I think about it, I can.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 31, 2017, 09:02:42 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 31, 2017, 08:22:46 AM

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Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 07:23:08 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

That's not my understanding heffo, was told that Dublin got first preference as to when they wanted to use it seeing as they kitted out the gym. Are the back ballers available for everyone to use as Cullen wanted to lock them away? Can't believe the GAA let Dublin put in branded county equipment into a national centre. Actually now that I think about it, I can.

Croke Park wouldn't dare tell Dublin that they can't.

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2017, 08:08:20 AM

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

what are you on about?
what have Dublin payed for down in the likes of Westmeath, Longford or Roscommon?

what other county can feasibly use it, considering it is in Dublin?

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2017, 09:13:27 AM

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

what are you on about?
what have Dublin payed for down in the likes of Westmeath, Longford or Roscommon?

what other county can feasibly use it, considering it is in Dublin?

Gate receipts from Leinster council games are largely used to fund capital projects for clubs throughout Leinster.

Every other county can use it, you just book the pitch online.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 31, 2017, 09:02:42 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 31, 2017, 08:22:46 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 31, 2017, 08:08:20 AM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 07:23:08 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

That's not my understanding heffo, was told that Dublin got first preference as to when they wanted to use it seeing as they kitted out the gym. Are the back ballers available for everyone to use as Cullen wanted to lock them away? Can't believe the GAA let Dublin put in branded county equipment into a national centre. Actually now that I think about it, I can.

I could no more tell you whether they left a specific piece of equipment they bought out than I could whether they left out clean towels.

QuoteGate receipts from Leinster council games are largely used to fund capital projects for clubs throughout Leinster.

Are you suggesting that Leinster gate receipts should not be used for Leinster capital projects .... and that they should instead be used exclusively for Dublin capital projects ?


Here are the attendance figures from football championship games in 2016:
Preliminary Round
Laois v Wicklow ... 4,575
Louth v Carlow ... 4,575 ((yes, seems strange its identical to 1st game but even if its wrong, its only 1 or 2K difference max)
Offaly v Longford ... 5,023

Quarter Finals
Wexford v Kildare ... 13,066
Laois v Dublin ... 16,764 (Match was on TV but lets be generous and assume 9K from Dublin)
Louth v  Meath ... 8,500
Offaly v Westmeath ... 8,123

Semi-finals
Westmeath v Kildare
Dublin v Meath ..... double-header 42,259, but lets assume 21K from Dublin)

Final
Dublin v Westmeath 47,840 (Let assume 34K from Dublin, 5K neutral and 8K from Westmeath)

Summary, Dublin attendance: ~64K
Other counties: ~86K

So why the hell shouldn't the bulk of Leinster council gate receipts go to capital projects outside Dublin? And yes, the proportion of capital grants allocated to the other Leinster counties is a higher percentage than their total attendance percentage .... but the unbalanced distribution of coaching money in favour of Dublin blows all your arguments out of the water.
Your sense of self-importance and entitlement in Dublin know no bounds

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Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

what are you on about?
what have Dublin payed for down in the likes of Westmeath, Longford or Roscommon?

what other county can feasibly use it, considering it is in Dublin?

Gate receipts from Leinster council games are largely used to fund capital projects for clubs throughout Leinster.

Every other county can use it, you just book the pitch online.

But sure it's in Dublin?

This has to be a wind up - you can't be this dense.

Its actually mind boggling that the GAA has allowed the Dublin crest be used in the National GAA Centre.

However I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Its an attempt at a wind-up. Start a rumour and it grows leg.....etc etc.

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Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2017, 10:14:58 AM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 30, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

what are you on about?
what have Dublin payed for down in the likes of Westmeath, Longford or Roscommon?

what other county can feasibly use it, considering it is in Dublin?

Gate receipts from Leinster council games are largely used to fund capital projects for clubs throughout Leinster.

Every other county can use it, you just book the pitch online.

But sure it's in Dublin?

This has to be a wind up - you can't be this dense.

I'm not sure why you need to insult but see my original post and the breakdown of usage and it makes you repeating the same thing redundant.

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Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Never mentioned the pitches

I'm on about the gym facilities

It's probably the best gym in the country. Its top class

That's an easy one. Dublin paid for the gym kit out.

All the equipment, seats etc is embossed with Dublin crests.

Ok.
So why did the Dublin GAA get to put their elite performance gym into a National GAA Centre paid for by every member in the country?

That's probably a question for Paraic Duffy but it's just continuing a long tradition of Dublin paying for capital projects for other counties with their own centres of excellence while we try keep our heads above water.

You do understand that everyone gets to use that gym and Dublin don't get preferential treatment around booking etc?

what are you on about?
what have Dublin payed for down in the likes of Westmeath, Longford or Roscommon?

what other county can feasibly use it, considering it is in Dublin?

Gate receipts from Leinster council games are largely used to fund capital projects for clubs throughout Leinster.

Every other county can use it, you just book the pitch online.

But sure it's in Dublin?

This has to be a wind up - you can't be this dense.

I'm not sure why you need to insult but see my original post and the breakdown of usage and it makes you repeating the same thing redundant.

the Under 10s from Longford or Westmeath aren't going to be using the gym
you've quoted usage of the pitches

who uses the gym?
who do Dublin play in all these games? Not themselves, surely?

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That 80% stat is very very dubious

I'd say the fella running it is a Dub and all.

Kiwi. Supports Dublin though.

Sounds like an AIG sleeper-agent to me.

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Why are Dublin teams using this NATIONAL centre?

Teams are in using the fantastic gym facility

Saves the Dublin County Board having to develop their own centre, lets just use the one paid for by all the other counties!

85,000 players have used Abbotstown since it opened and 80% of those have been from outside Dublin.

Where did that number come from, Heffo?
Not disputing it, just curious.

I don't have a link to post but the centre manager gave it to me Friday - it's reliable info.

Do you ask him every Friday just so you have up to date information in case someone on gaaboard is wondering??