An important early game for both teams given the strength of the division. I'd say both will fancy their chances of picking up 2 points. Both teams missing a few players but should be a good competitive game.
Given the amounting of changes made during the McKenna Cup its hard to predict what way the Tyrone team will line up. Based on last night it looks like Justy McMahon should be able to play a part which is a big plus. Hopefully Cavanagh can carry his McKenna Cup form through to the McKenna Cup. I think we're more than capable of winning this and would be hopeful of picking up the 2 points.
Hope you're right there RS, an interesting tie to open our DIV I campaign, to be sure.
A great chance for Tyrone to get off to a winning start. If they can't beat Down then they have no business in Dv1.
Can't believe we have to put up with Cassidy refereeing 2 weeks in a row. He was shocking last night. Maybe he'll be our Coldrick for this year.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 27, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
A great chance for Tyrone to get off to a winning start. If they can't beat Down then they have no business in Dv1.
In fairness Down have been in division 1 for a number of years now and got to the semi finals last year. They also made it to the All Ireland Quarter finals and were in an All Ireland final only a couple of years ago. I would be hopeful of victory but its no means a certainty.
Ye it's always a weird feeling how a team performs in their first league game after an experimental McKenna cup. Where did Justy play last night? We'll soon learn who are Mickey's new favourites. I'm expecting 2 Donnellys, Penrose, SON. From the past I think Mickey will start more experienced players and only bring in young lads if we're winning. Time will tell. Is it on Setanta?
Blether away there lads. See yiz in Newry next week.
Retrieve that towel 5 Sams, already! ;)
One man dropped from Tyrone McKenna cup squad! Don't know all circumstances yet but at first look it seems a bit harsh! Anyone have any info for me?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 27, 2013, 09:55:46 PM
Can't believe we have to put up with Cassidy refereeing 2 weeks in a row. He was shocking last night. Maybe he'll be our Coldrick for this year.
Tyrone lost every time Coldrick reffed last year.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 27, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
A great chance for Tyrone to get off to a winning start. If they can't beat Down then they have no business in Dv1.
Down didn't want to beat Monaghan in the Mc Kenna cup semi final.
They've set Tyrone up for a fall next Saturday night.
IMO the weakest two teams in the division (possibly Tyrone better than Kildare). This is not a slight on either team more a indication of how strong the division is.
I am talking to Dubs here this morning and they say Kildare looked very lively on Sat night and are well up to hit the ground running on Sat night. I'd say they'll have a good chance too against a Donegal side that are only really getting started now.
Kildare should have beaten us in Croker at this stage last year IMO.
I could be completely wrong but I think Down could struggle to stay in a competitive division along with Donegal. Donegal put a huge effort in last year and McGuinness knows that level can't be sustained for the whole season so I'd say he'll start off slowly and build it up.
Is McKenna still in the Tyrone squad. From what I heard last year he sounded a bit disillusioned with the whole thing.
Where did Justy come on to play on Sat night? FB?
Will be interesting to see now if he's fit again does MH revert to Justy at FB or is Clarke the long term answer or maybe back to McCarron again.
I've not seen one game this year so would struggle to pick a team for Sat night?
I wonder will Mickey see this as one of the easier games and maybe not field his strongest teams or will he want to get points on the board early as possible.
I see this game is on Setanta Sports 1 on satellite.
http://www.setanta.com/ie/subscribe/gaa/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/subscribe/gaa/)
Aidan Cassidy back in the Tyrone panel - not entirely suprising. A good call to be honest
Dean McNally has made way. Bit suprising that one, he looked useful when he played in the McKenna Cup.
Every year the neutrals say - I think Down will struggle. Why not Tyrone, Kildare? Dublin are in transition, why not them? Down finished 4th in 2011 and 3rd in 2012. Sure we took some hidings in the summer but we have a track record in the league. Dublin finished a point above relegation last year. It just disappoints me that people prefer to roll out a cliché instead of actually considering the facts.
We may well struggle but there is no more indication of that being the case than for Donegal, Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone or Kildare.
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 30, 2013, 05:27:31 PM
Every year the neutrals say - I think Down will struggle. Why not Tyrone, Kildare? Dublin are in transition, why not them? Down finished 4th in 2011 and 3rd in 2012. Sure we took some hidings in the summer but we have a track record in the league. Dublin finished a point above relegation last year. It just disappoints me that people prefer to roll out a cliché instead of actually considering the facts.
We may well struggle but there is no more indication of that being the case than for Donegal, Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone or Kildare.
This attitude may be explained by the following truth:
Down ARE the worst team in the division and usually the worst team in the division will struggle.
Quote from: wildrover on January 30, 2013, 06:19:34 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 30, 2013, 05:27:31 PM
Every year the neutrals say - I think Down will struggle. Why not Tyrone, Kildare? Dublin are in transition, why not them? Down finished 4th in 2011 and 3rd in 2012. Sure we took some hidings in the summer but we have a track record in the league. Dublin finished a point above relegation last year. It just disappoints me that people prefer to roll out a cliché instead of actually considering the facts.
We may well struggle but there is no more indication of that being the case than for Donegal, Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone or Kildare.
This attitude may be explained by the following truth:
Down ARE the worst team in the division and usually the worst team in the division will struggle.
I think Down are the worst team in the division, but going by who is predicted to get demoted doesn't hold much water in my books. More years than not Mayo are one of the favourites to get demoted, since 1996 (if I have the year correct) Mayo have been proving the so called experts wrong and are the longest team still at the top flight of the league without break. In fact we have won it once and lost 3 (is it more) Finals in that time, some years where we were wrote off.
Is Mickey due to name his team tonight?
I've not been to a game this year so I'd really struggle to name a team myself.
Has Gormley and Carlin been rested lately or were they injured? I think they played in the earlier matches. I see Block was sub for the Monaghan match but no mention of Carlin
Mickey sure has a lot of options now at his fingertips and even Morgan's long range free taking will mean the No1 jersey won't be straightforward any more.
I think Mickey will go for as many of the more established players as he can as he'll want to get points on the board early on.
With such a young squad, he'll want to keep that winning feeling going and blend in young lads slowly as matches progress.
Here's my stab at what I think Mickey will pick
McConnell
McCrory
Justin
C.Gormley
McNamee
Joey
McCarron
Kane
Sean Cavanagh
Gallagher (New Hoover)
Peter Harte
Matthew Donnelly
McCurry
S.O'Neill
Penrose
From teamtalkmag.com
1. Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2. Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5. Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6. Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7. Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8. Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
9. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10. Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
11. Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12. Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13. Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
14. Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15. Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
16. John Devine Aireagal Chiarán
17. Conor Clarke An Omaigh
18. Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
19. Danny McBride An Srath Ban
20. Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
21. Justin McMahon An Omaigh
22. Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
23. Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
24. Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
25. Barry Tierney An Omaigh
26. Sean Warnock An Caisleán Glas
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 31, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
Is Mickey due to name his team tonight?
I've not been to a game this year so I'd really struggle to name a team myself.
Has Gormley and Carlin been rested lately or were they injured? I think they played in the earlier matches. I see Block was sub for the Monaghan match but no mention of Carlin
Mickey sure has a lot of options now at his fingertips and even Morgan's long range free taking will mean the No1 jersey won't be straightforward any more.
I think Mickey will go for as many of the more established players as he can as he'll want to get points on the board early on.
With such a young squad, he'll want to keep that winning feeling going and blend in young lads slowly as matches progress.
Here's my stab at what I think Mickey will pick
McConnell
McCrory
Justin
C.Gormley
McNamee
Joey
McCarron
Kane
Sean Cavanagh
Gallagher (New Hoover)
Peter Harte
Matthew Donnelly
McCurry
S.O'Neill
Penrose
U haven't seen a game this year, 5 games to be accurate, and you say you couldn't pick a team, then you go to name one that Mickey might pick based on your non attendance any of the games. Gallagher the new Hoover and you haven't seen him play for the county yet. Breath taking.
Bit harsh there. As far as I know Fuzzman lives in Dublin so not as easy for him to attend games. Looking at the teams picked in the 5 games and from reading reports wasn't a bad basis of guessing the team - he guessed 11 of the starting team.
Carlin is injured and out for a good portion of the league by the sounds of it.
6 league debutants in the team. Looking forward to seeing how they get on.
Down team to play Tyrone
1 Michael Cunningham
2 Damian Turley
3 Dan Mc Cartan
4 Ryan Boyle
5 Ryan Mallon
6 Aidan Carr
7 Darren O Hagan
8 Kalum King
9 Kevin Mc Kernan
10 Keith Quinn
11 Mark Poland
12 Brendan Coulter
13Conor Laverty
14 Connarie Harrison
15 Paul Mc Comiskey
Good to see the new faces in the first 15. Also encouraging to see Ronan O'Neill back on the bench. No McCurry? Is he just not named or has he picked up a knock?
What's the chances of a stream being available for this game?
I'd say he's on the bench OK omagh_gael -- usual (stupid) restriction to 26 names out of 30.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 31, 2013, 11:09:10 PM
Bit harsh there. As far as I know Fuzzman lives in Dublin so not as easy for him to attend games. Looking at the teams picked in the 5 games and from reading reports wasn't a bad basis of guessing the team - he guessed 11 of the starting team.
Carlin is injured and out for a good portion of the league by the sounds of it.
6 league debutants in the team. Looking forward to seeing how they get on.
You have a point regarding the distance for him to travel, didn't know that, so I understand why he didn't go, but cannot understand how he could then attempt to pick a team not seeing them play. I guess if he picked 11 of the starters, Mc Cartan would have at least done the same. ;)
The Down full back line is in for a torrid hour IMO
We're fcuked I tells ye...fcuked. :-[ :-[ :-[No point in turning up. What's on the telly on Saturday night??
Good to see a number of the boys who did well in the McKenna Cup getting a chance on Saturday. It's going to be a real step up and it will be interesting to see how they cope. One thing I'm not sure about is Conor Gormley being named at FB. I know he played there at times down the years when Tyrone were struggling in that position but it always felt a bit like a sticking plaster and never a long term solution. Perhaps Mickey feels that Conor at this stage in his career is best suited for FB, perhaps he has a special role in mind for him this game or perhaps the numbers on the backs don't matter! I do feel that Justy or Clarke will be the best option for the months ahead.
Any word on Kyle Coney? I know he was named on the bench for a couple of McKenna Cup matches, does anyway know if he is fit to play?
Not bad I suppose getting 11 but I've been keeping a close eye on teamtalkmag and chatting to lads that went to all the games. I know Mickey likes grafters and so Gallagher fits the Dooher role well. Yeah living in Dublin with 4 kids under 5 tends to slow down your attendance at McKenna cup games.
http://www.destinationnewry.com/sports/gaa/news-Down-v-Tyrone---live-streaming-commentary
Quote from: theoriginalmup on February 01, 2013, 03:02:31 AM
http://www.destinationnewry.com/sports/gaa/news-Down-v-Tyrone---live-streaming-commentary
Cheers.
How are these guys allowed to show this when Setanta are also showing it?
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: theoriginalmup on February 01, 2013, 03:02:31 AM
http://www.destinationnewry.com/sports/gaa/news-Down-v-Tyrone---live-streaming-commentary
Cheers.
How are these guys allowed to show this when Setanta are also showing it?
Afaik, they are not 'showing' it. Live commentary only.
Yeah I was surprised to see Ronan O'Neill's name in there so early
Does anyone have any news on Coney or Carlin?
Is Cassidy definitely back in the squad then?
I see in today's IN Mugsy is still keen to try to get back into the squad.
Who is that lad at FF for Down?
I wonder does every player that needs to get a message accross do an interview? It is staggering.
Does anybody know how long Ronan O'Neill has really been back training properly?
Match preview here if anyone wants to take a look:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/national-league-division-1-down-vs-tyron/
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 01, 2013, 12:07:19 PM
Yeah I was surprised to see Ronan O'Neill's name in there so early
Does anyone have any news on Coney or Carlin?
Is Cassidy definitely back in the squad then?
I see in today's IN Mugsy is still keen to try to get back into the squad.
Who is that lad at FF for Down?
Connaire Harrison. Made the breakthrough in the McKenna Cup. He was part of Down Minor and U-21 panels in the past. He's about 22/23.
He is extremely talented. Has been racking up huge scores for his club Glasdrumman for the past 6 or 7 years at Intermediate level in Down. Would of been part of the Glasdrumman team that won Celebrity Bainisteoir a few years back.
Has he much pace?
I'd say he'll be looking forward to meeting Conor Gormley.
Bad weather makes Conor angry
Quote from: rrhf on February 01, 2013, 05:26:27 PM
Bad weather makes Conor angry
that gormley fella is always angry. That down full forward line looks very small; maybe that harrison is the foil for wee laverty and mccomisky.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 01, 2013, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 01, 2013, 05:26:27 PM
Bad weather makes Conor angry
that gormley fella is always angry. That down full forward line looks very small; maybe that harrison is the foil for wee laverty and mccomisky.
Joe McMahon has been starved all week, he'll eat both of thon full forwards for his entrèe.
Is penrose injured or out of favour?
Quote from: The Worker on February 01, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Is penrose injured or out of favour?
one of the best forwards in ulster.
I fancy Tyrone to wreck that Down defence. a nice 4 point win on the cards but I fancy a credible Down performance to really give Tyrone a scare.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 01, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
Has he much pace?
I'd say he'll be looking forward to meeting Conor Gormley.
Personally wouldn't have him down as ultra pacy but he can shift with the best of them. NFL totally different ball game to McKenna Cup and hopefully he can cut the mustard. No better way to do this than pitting his wits against the likes of Gormley.
When did Gormley last have a decent game for Tyrone?
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 01, 2013, 10:21:05 PM
When did Gormley last have a decent game for Tyrone?
Conor is still one of our best defenders. Yeah he doesn't have a turn of pace but he makes up for it with his reading of the game, leadership and determination. One thing you can guarantee is that he'll be instilling fire in the belly of young lads coming through making sure they know what it takes to be the best.
Gormley was one of the few players who did ok down in Kerry last year despite playing out of position. Can still do a job for Tyrone.
Quote from: shawshank on February 01, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 01, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: The Worker on February 01, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Is penrose injured or out of favour?
one of the best forwards in ulster.
You are surely joking me.
i usually joke as ye know; bit i honestly think so. His runs off the ball are excellent, his has great strength and has a fantastic eye for a score. He would be on my Ulster team no problem.
I have mixed feelings about Penrose. On the one hard he works very hard and gets involved plenty and gets in good positions. But he can be very wasteful and has started following more when tackling. He also has a habbit of playing the man and not the ball when going for it. If I was playing him it would be as a worker in the half forward line as opposed to a corner forward. I'd definitely like to look at other options during the league.
Mark Donnelly could also come under pressure in the forward line. Don't think he's creative enough for the centre half forward role and doesn't score enough in the full forward line. Both are still good options but would like to see other players challenge them.
Did Conor "hold" Jamie Clarke scoreless (or maybe to a point) a few years ago in Omagh in the qualifiers?
I think at his age FB is probably his best position now. Remember the goal he got in Clones from FB v Armagh a few years ago.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 02, 2013, 12:01:00 AM
Did Conor "hold" Jamie Clarke scoreless (or maybe to a point) a few years ago in Omagh in the qualifiers?
I think at his age FB is probably his best position now. Remember the goal he got in Clones from FB v Armagh a few years ago.
Now Gormley is one of the least likable Tyrone fellas ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Presume ye'll really miss Ricey this year Tickle? The last time he played in Newry he gifted Benny a goal. Interesting Down are playing him out on da wing where he might not be so well marshalled.
No posters at this game boys? Was to looking for a stream earlier but none I could find. Close finish it would seem.
Good updates from twitter on here :
http://livegaaresults.com/1/pages/down.php#sthash.SgoLwQUt.dpbs
Good to get the win, took a while to get going. According to q101 there were a number of scuffles on the field, on the sidelines and in the stand at one point.
So frustrating listening to Paddy Hunter continually referring to Donnelly all through the game without letting the listener know if it was Mattie or Mark. Took him about 30 seconds to eventually inform us that it was Mark that got the goal!
Two points on the board and another tough trip awaits us in castlebar next weekend. Plenty to work on with too many wides posted tonight.
Good win this eve. Clarke and Gormley very good in second half in my opinion.
In fairness the defence tightened up a lot in the second half.
Cassidy was usual joke referee... High tackles go unpunished , yet Sean Cav gets booked for trying to make the Down player get back the required distance for the 45!
Nice start to staying in Div 1.,
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 02, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Good to get the win, took a while to get going. According to q101 there were a number of scuffles on the field, on the sidelines and in the stand at one point.
So frustrating listening to Paddy Hunter continually referring to Donnelly all through the game without letting the listener know if it was Mattie or Mark. Took him about 30 seconds to eventually inform us that it was Mark that got the goal!
Two points on the board and another tough trip awaits us in castlebar next weekend. Plenty to work on with too many wides posted tonight.
Ditto. "And Donnelly gets the goal!" It was driving me mad.
Quoteyet Sean Cav gets booked for trying to make the Down player get back the required distance for the 45!
Watching this on Setanta now. Cavanagh probably hard done by on this occasion.
Quote from: Beantown on February 02, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
Good win this eve. Clarke and Gormley very good in second half in my opinion.
In fairness the defence tightened up a lot in the second half.
Cassidy was usual joke referee... High tackles go unpunished , yet Sean Cav gets booked for trying to make the Down player get back the required distance for the 45!
Nice start to staying in Div 1.,
The ref gave yellow cards to all high tackles and got the call on King correct before HT . Good win, and we could have been in serious trouble b4 HT with the amount of wides down hit on the trot, on another day we could have been 7down at HT. V good 2 nd half. For the life of me can anyone explain why Mc aliskey was taken off, he was so heavily involved with our best football, and at the stage he was taken off he was influential in the gl and two pts we scored to take the lead, baffled. Big Sean was embarressing, greedy and just played for himself. Talk about favourites Mickey!!
Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2013, 11:48:37 PM
How did he get the King call correct? Baffled how King stayed on the field. Having been on a yellow, he tackled McMahon high as McMahon was running out to tackle another Down player. If that didn't warrant a yellow, I am lost.
FromBBC NI website -
Home midfielder Kalum King had appeared fortunate in the first half not to be sent off after a high tackle on McMahon even though he had already been yellow carded.
McMahon didn't enjoy the same leniency although he had appeared to have been involved in some off-the-ball afters in the incident which led to his second booking.
But despite McMahon's departure, Conor Clarke, Cavanagh and full-forward O'Neill added further points to secure a deserved win for the Red Hands.
'Baffling' would be a fair description of that refereeing performance (again).
Good contest, if a little too tetchy at times, and a much better second half from ourselves than first -- Penrose and Clarke did well when they appeared, steadying things and making it more difficult for the Down runners.
Good result, all factors considered.
What happened that time along the sideline? It's not often ye see Mickey get involved with the ref like that. . Commentary on Setanta wasn't great I thought also. He kept calling Joey Justin McMahon. Previous first round matches would see King get a suspension as he took out Joey off the ball.
Wee James manhandled Mickey Harte at one point (was as dirty on the sideline as his players were on the pitch ;)), and Mark had a word with him at the final whistle about being abusive to his Da.
What did ye Down wans think of the ref?
You don't go near Mickey.
Penrose didnt cover himself in glory. Started a row with Laverty, held him up and then lay on the ground when he wasnt touched.
Quote from: southdown on February 03, 2013, 12:24:57 PM
Penrose didnt cover himself in glory. Started a row with Laverty, held him up and then lay on the ground when he wasnt touched.
Hold on now- this is the typical response from any team playing Tyrone- try & throw some dirt. Both teams did things last night that we wouldn't be happy with but they are happening in our games. Laverty, Poland & a few others can throw themselves to the ground to con referees with the best of them. But no, the aristocrats will keep throwing dirt at Tyrone to tarnish their image.
simply stating what i saw. Laverty got his second yellow following an incident started by Penrose and in which Penrose lay on the ground when he wasnt touched. This is not about throwing dirt, get over yourself. Im entitled to an opinion on what I saw.
What about Mc Curry? Injured or out of favour?
Both sets of management exchanged words along the sideline during the game, but it appeared to be Michael Harte junior rather than Mark, who took matters further after the final whistle. It was a difficult match to referee, with so much going on, but the main Down concern would have been the late Cavanagh free which was given as a point when the entire stand could see it had drifted a couple of feet wide. Coulter was at the wrong end of a couple of dodgy calls, particularly when he was blown up for overcarrying just after McMahon was sent off. McMahon's second yellow looked harsh, but Tyrone coped with the pressure just that little bit better than Down.
Thought Down defended very well, Tyrone goal came from a poor kick out. Although the passing and movement for the goal was top drawer.
Tyrone's fitness levels look as high as they are in the summer, which augurs well for the warmer days and firmer ground of championship season.
Still bewildered by some of the refereeing decisions, but tha'ts to be expected on most occasions these days
Quote from: Beantown on February 03, 2013, 02:33:12 PM
Thought Down defended very well, Tyrone goal came from a poor kick out. Although the passing and movement for the goal was top drawer.
Tyrone's fitness levels look as high as they are in the summer, which augurs well for the warmer days and firmer ground of championship season.
Still bewildered by some of the refereeing decisions, but tha'ts to be expected on most occasions these days
Re your fitness point. In my opinion this has been part of our downfall in recent years where our great starts to the year end in damp squibs as we don't have the extra couple of gears come the firm sod. Perhaps with the injection of youth this year we may have those extra 5-10 minutes of intense 'pressure football' that is required.
Good won for Tyrone in the face of disgracefully partizan refereeing. Trampish behaviour indeed from Down management
Thought the ref was poor for most sides, though probably worse for Tyrone, missed a lot of big calls
Arrived home from the game last night slightly disappointed at not coming away with at least a draw, thought it was a good enough game for the tie of year and a slippery looking pitch.
Down started off well and the movement was excellent but after halftime Tyrone tightened up and where more wary of the runners comig from deep. Some good performances on both sides.
For Down Ryan Boyle and Connaire Harrison didnt look out of place and put in a good shift, young Cunningham in nets i though was excellent throughout apart from the odd suspect kickout, Benny McArdle put in a good effort but is more suited to fullback but not much could be done with Mr O'Neill. King was lucky to stay on the field and mckernan battled hard and done rightly.
For Tyrone though O'Neill and McAlisky where topdrawer, in defence the young fella McKenna can fair shift up the pitch and one run in partiular where he ran up along the line and set up the goal opportunity which hit the post was fantastic.
Tyrone just looked that slight bit fitter than us and had maybe a few more match winners both on the pitch and who they brought on.
As for the ref....brutal for both teams with some strange decisions
In terms of the referee, you better get used to him. You'll be seeing plenty of him in the next 10 + years.
He got the minor final in 2012 and will be doing the big one shortly.
Mark my words.
Quote from: under the bar on February 03, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
Good won for Tyrone in the face of disgracefully partizan refereeing. Trampish behaviour indeed from Down management
trampish behaviour from down management??? explain that please. seems abit rich for anyone from tyrone to call someone else a tr**p. some of the behaviour in the stands from so called tyrone supporters was a disgrace.
thought we played well in the 1st half and could have been further in front. tyrone were just a bit stronger in the 2nd. thought the ref was bad for both teams and missed alot.
I didn't call anyone a tr**p, however your manager's behaviour was the worst I have witnessed from an inter-county manager. I know the likes of banty might have provoked a reaction from other managers but to act like a corner boy towards a respected manager like Mickey Harte is simply unacceptable. I hope he had the good sense to apologise afterwards.
This could be of interest here lads, using a tactics board to break down Mark Donnelly's goal from last night http://action81.com/blog/?p=6645
Good luck with your tactics board Emmet, but you included Damien Turley, who went off injured before half time, in your analysis of the second half Tyrone goal. It is likely that you meant to refer to Eoin Costello.
Very fair & balanced analysis there WestDownGael. Ithought Stevie had a mixed bag. I watched it again there today on sky+ and there sure was a lot if niggle and plenty bookable challenges. The incident where Joey got his 2nd yellow was strange as the camera was showing Justy pushing the Down physio after he threw away the ball. But in the replay you can see Joey kick out at the Down forward. Presume he had done or said something. Also, Down's goal should have been a free out as the forward jumped up leading with leg and kicked No. 5 in the stomach. Had it been the other way round it would have been a clear penalty. I'd say it's gonna be a very competitive league.
Unfortunately the behaviour of our management team on the sideline has overshadowed some very good performances on the field particularly from the debuts young Mallon and Harrison who could turn into decent options this year. James altercation with Mickey Harte was uncalled for but the man who needs to be kept as far away from that set-up as possibly is the great Jerome, what exactly does he offer our set up except a Kilcoo ignorance and irritability they bring everywhere they go, his behaviour was appalling and I wonder what our county secretary, who would have been sitting very close, thought of it? Tyrone's experience both on the field and off it was the difference. Really think we could get something in Donegal next week as long as we get someone like Moyna on the sideline and get rid of that nonce Johnston and keep Daniel closer to big brother James.
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
Quote from: under the bar on February 03, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
I didn't call anyone a tr**p, however your manager's behaviour was the worst I have witnessed from an inter-county manager. I know the likes of banty might have provoked a reaction from other managers but to act like a corner boy towards a respected manager like Mickey Harte is simply unacceptable. I hope he had the good sense to apologise afterwards.
Lads...Mickey Harte is totally and utterly respected through out the country. He has endured unbelievable tragedy but does that make him immune or exempt from the normal rough and tumble of county football management and the things that go along with it. I think wee James or anyone else is entitled to square up to him and challenge him about what has happened on the field of play no matter what has happened to him in the past.
Yes I was getting a little uncomfortable with all this Mickey is untouchable sort of talk.
Anyone got any ideas what kicked it all off on the sideline? Was it Mickey shouting at the ref?
Down seem to have a lot of big strong young lads in that team now and I got the feeling they were all well up for a physical encounter. Even young Lavery wasn't scared to throw his weight about.
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 03, 2013, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 03, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
I didn't call anyone a tr**p, however your manager's behaviour was the worst I have witnessed from an inter-county manager. I know the likes of banty might have provoked a reaction from other managers but to act like a corner boy towards a respected manager like Mickey Harte is simply unacceptable. I hope he had the good sense to apologise afterwards.
Lads...Mickey Harte is totally and utterly respected through out the country. He has endured unbelievable tragedy but does that make him immune or exempt from the normal rough and tumble of county football management and the things that go along with it. I think wee James or anyone else is entitled to square up to him and challenge him about what has happened on the field of play no matter what has happened to him in the past.
WTF are you on about. Intercounty Managers getting physically involved is Far from normal. I would say Wee James is a bit embarrassed and ashamed of his lack of behaviour.
Quote from: Man Marker on February 02, 2013, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: Beantown on February 02, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
Good win this eve. Clarke and Gormley very good in second half in my opinion.
In fairness the defence tightened up a lot in the second half.
Cassidy was usual joke referee... High tackles go unpunished , yet Sean Cav gets booked for trying to make the Down player get back the required distance for the 45!
Nice start to staying in Div 1.,
The ref gave yellow cards to all high tackles and got the call on King correct before HT . Good win, and we could have been in serious trouble b4 HT with the amount of wides down hit on the trot, on another day we could have been 7down at HT. V good 2 nd half. For the life of me can anyone explain why Mc aliskey was taken off, he was so heavily involved with our best football, and at the stage he was taken off he was influential in the gl and two pts we scored to take the lead, baffled. Big Sean was embarressing, greedy and just played for himself. Talk about favourites Mickey!!
Not sure if your a Tyrone supporter but this was a strange strange comment. Cavanagh has been Tyrone's best player by a clear distance this year so far. His work rate and tracking back has been as good if not better than anyone's. He's also offered a lot going forward. He may have overrun the ball on one or possibly 2 occassions last night but there was little else on at the time. And he certainly wasn't the only Tyrone player to get caught in possession so very strange you picked him out. He will make a huge difference to Tyrone this year.
Forgot to mention, great to see Ronan O'Neill making an appearance too, and looking hale, hearty and fit!
Yep great to see Ronan O'Neill back. Hopefully he can stay injury free and deliver on his undoubted talent. Was also good to see Justy getting a full game behind him. I thought after a poor McKenna Cup Clarke made a huge difference coming on last night driving the team forward. Still think we have issues in the full back line and not quite sure how they'll be solved. Surprised Lafferty hasn't got game time in last few matches in the half forward line - had impressed there in a couple of games.
Hard to know where Harte should play. Anything he does is good but would like to see him more involved. Would like to see him get a game or 2 at wing half back.
Fair points RS, Petey Harte was uncustomarily uninvolved last night, and Clarke did very well too when introduced. Justy looked none the worse for wear after the full 70, which is promising - he's a massive reassurance at the back.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2013, 08:27:52 PM
Good luck with your tactics board Emmet, but you included Damien Turley, who went off injured before half time, in your analysis of the second half Tyrone goal. It is likely that you meant to refer to Eoin Costello.
Doh. Spent so long trying to track Down who McCartan was that I skimped time on that one. My apologies.
At this early stage performance is just as important as result. On the field we had a decent performance, the fact that we lost to a fitter hungrier team, could be more attributable to our side-line team losing their focus while engaging in juvenile antics.
Were Coney and McCurry on the bench? I think only 26 can get officially named in the program.
Tyrone are some crack ridiculing referees when you see what they have given to referees in the game over the years. we dont have to look too far back to remember the idiot who embarrassed the GAA in croke park two years ago depriving a small county and its people their first leinster title in over 50 years. Remember your teasm isnt the easiest to referee with all the negative tactics that have been drilled into them since birth.
Then look at your supporters and the pressure and intimidation they put on referees. Some of them you would think were just let out after being tethered up for the winter.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on February 04, 2013, 02:23:01 PM
Tyrone are some crack ridiculing referees when you see what they have given to referees in the game over the years. we dont have to look too far back to remember the idiot who embarrassed the GAA in croke park two years ago depriving a small county and its people their first leinster title in over 50 years. Remember your teasm isnt the easiest to referee with all the negative tactics that have been drilled into them since birth.
Then look at your supporters and the pressure and intimidation they put on referees. Some of them you would think were just let out after being tethered up for the winter.
Wipe that froth away there lad.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on February 04, 2013, 02:23:01 PM
Tyrone are some crack ridiculing referees when you see what they have given to referees in the game over the years. we dont have to look too far back to remember the idiot who embarrassed the GAA in croke park two years ago depriving a small county and its people their first leinster title in over 50 years. Remember your teasm isnt the easiest to referee with all the negative tactics that have been drilled into them since birth.
Then look at your supporters and the pressure and intimidation they put on referees. Some of them you would think were just let out after being tethered up for the winter.
is this where youre at these days :)
Surprised there hasn't been more talk on the board about how poor the referee was. Both Mickey Harte and McCartan have had a go about his standard. They are right, he was incredibly inconsistent and it was good for neither team. From what I could see his policy seemed to be only to punish offences that occurred within a 20m radius of him, anything further away was play-on. Regardless of how bad the offence was.
'We dont have to look too far back to remember the idiot who embarrassed the GAA in croke park two years ago depriving a small county and its people their first leinster title in over 50 years'
TBF, nobody in Tyrone ever rated Sludden either