Jimmy's No Longer Winning Matches

Started by screenexile, October 04, 2014, 12:17:59 AM

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From the Bunker

Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 04, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 04, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 04, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
Huge blow for Donegal... Where do they go from here??

Hard to see themselves or Mayo in the mix next year now with their spiritual leaders gone!!

Your not seriously comparing Horan to McGuinness? Horan was successful in Connacht but failed to win an All Ireland. They were already competitive when he took over and had better players than Donegal. On the other hand Donegal were ranked something like 16-20th in the country when McGuinness took over and actually won an All Ireland and 3 Ulster titles in 4 years.

If Mayo had better players than Donegal then Mayo would have beaten Donegal. McGuinness did great things but those Donegal players aren't a herd of donkeys either.

We hammered them last year and imho would of given them a good rattle in the final this year but we didnt geta chance because cormac reilly and the GAA hierarchy made sure we didnt get a chance.

Listen bar giving two dodgy penalties and few soft frees and missing sending off a player twice. Cormac Reilly had little bearing on the game. It's really our fault that we were not at least 6-10 points the better team and we would not have had to have been worried about these decisions.

By the way there seems to be a bit of bitterness in the title of this Thread. Jimmy won a lot more matches than he lost.

IolarCoisCuain

Quote from: yellowcard on October 04, 2014, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 04, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 04, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 04, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
Huge blow for Donegal... Where do they go from here??

Hard to see themselves or Mayo in the mix next year now with their spiritual leaders gone!!

Your not seriously comparing Horan to McGuinness? Horan was successful in Connacht but failed to win an All Ireland. They were already competitive when he took over and had better players than Donegal. On the other hand Donegal were ranked something like 16-20th in the country when McGuinness took over and actually won an All Ireland and 3 Ulster titles in 4 years.

If Mayo had better players than Donegal then Mayo would have beaten Donegal. McGuinness did great things but those Donegal players aren't a herd of donkeys either.

Don't be daft.
1) The best players don't always win the AI title, just ask Dublin this year.
2) When did I say Donegal were a herd of donkeys? However the single biggest factor in their success was McGuinness. They weren't as bad aas they seemed when he took over but I doubt if any other manager could have won an AI title with them.


  • "Always" is a long time. What I'm saying is that players are more important than managers. McGuinness was a fantastic and revolutionary manager. Nobody is arguing that. But the current Donegal players don't get enough of the credit for what they've won. You think Dublin are man-for-man better than Donegal. I don't. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion.
  • You implied that Donegal were donkeys when you said they were ranked 16-20th in the country when McGuinness took over. A lot of the team that have become stars under McGuinness were already on the panel when he took over. You can read about it here: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-driven-by-fear-of-failure-1.1935183. it is testimony to McGuinness's talent that he got Donegal to play as well as they did, but it's not true to say that he turned sows' ears into silk purses either.

moysider


Apart from Gallagher who else would be considered.

Tommy 'Tom' Carr if Donegal fancy a break away from the serious stuff?

The Red Bonner? Has he not done well underage?

Máirtín Beag?

Our own Batman and Robin?  ;D ;D

balladmaker

I think he made the right decision at the right time, Donegal were not the team they were 2 years ago, and are only heading in one direction at this stage.  Although making it to an All Ireland Final is a great achievement, it was obvious from their performance from the dublin game to the final that the semi had been their final.  The Kerry game was there for the taking and Donegal were missing that spark to win it.  I think we'll see Jim at the helm of Donegal again in the future, still a young man with many years ahead of him, but just not with the current squad.

armaghniac

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 04, 2014, 02:09:14 PM

  • "Always" is a long time. What I'm saying is that players are more important than managers. McGuinness was a fantastic and revolutionary manager. Nobody is arguing that. But the current Donegal players don't get enough of the credit for what they've won. You think Dublin are man-for-man better than Donegal. I don't. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion.
  • You implied that Donegal were donkeys when you said they were ranked 16-20th in the country when McGuinness took over. A lot of the team that have become stars under McGuinness were already on the panel when he took over. You can read about it here: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-driven-by-fear-of-failure-1.1935183. it is testimony to McGuinness's talent that he got Donegal to play as well as they did, but it's not true to say that he turned sows' ears into silk purses either.

The orchestra might have talent, but the conductor makes them play together. Donegal had talent, but having watched them in Crossmaglen in their last game pre McGuiness they weren't going anywhere. Donegal is a good example of a largish county with decent resources who can aspire to Sam with the addition of a really good manager. However, from now on I suspect they will be like Tyrone for a while, in the top 12 but not the top 4. 
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Rossfan

Quote from: balladmaker on October 04, 2014, 02:36:34 PM
I think he made the right decision at the right time, Donegal were not the team they were 2 years ago, and are only heading in one direction at this stage.  Although making it to an All Ireland Final is a great achievement, .... The Kerry game was there for the taking and Donegal were missing that spark to win it. 
+1.
Agree with that alright.
Tom Tom Tommy will hardly be in the frame here.
Batman and Robin  ;D I like it. ;D
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

mlcollins

Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 04, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 04, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 04, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
Huge blow for Donegal... Where do they go from here??

Hard to see themselves or Mayo in the mix next year now with their spiritual leaders gone!!

Your not seriously comparing Horan to McGuinness? Horan was successful in Connacht but failed to win an All Ireland. They were already competitive when he took over and had better players than Donegal. On the other hand Donegal were ranked something like 16-20th in the country when McGuinness took over and actually won an All Ireland and 3 Ulster titles in 4 years.

If Mayo had better players than Donegal then Mayo would have beaten Donegal. McGuinness did great things but those Donegal players aren't a herd of donkeys either.

We hammered them last year and imho would of given them a good rattle in the final this year but we didnt geta chance because cormac reilly and the GAA hierarchy made sure we didnt get a chance.
What a sad and bitter loser you are but sure that is yere lot really, sad, bitter and losers.

mlcollins

Quote from: seafoid on October 04, 2014, 01:33:17 PM
I think he was a breath of fresh air for fuball. Brought immense pride to Donegal people. I think there was an interview with the Follower's son where he said his Dad would have been very happy to see big Jim bringing Sam back to Donegal.  And fast forward 20 years and he'll have a far more impressive CV than Pat Spillane.. .
Will he ?  tell me where is his other 7 all-ireland medals and even the one he has was as a sub who didn't play.

Rudi

Can never understand some of the cheap digs aimed at Jimmy McG. Super manager who managed a talented teams of underachievers to huge success. Revolutionary in his approach to coaching, tactics and man management, Mickey Harte is the only other man to get close to what this has achieved. Good luck to him no doubt we will see him back at some later stage for Donegal.

mlcollins

Quote from: Rudi on October 04, 2014, 10:09:27 PM
Can never understand some of the cheap digs aimed at Jimmy McG. Super manager who managed a talented teams of underachievers to huge success. Revolutionary in his approach to coaching, tactics and man management, Mickey Harte is the only other man to get close to what this has achieved. Good luck to him no doubt we will see him back at some later stage for Donegal.
It says a lot about you then, they have brought gaelic football into the gutter and now even we can join them on the odd occasion, what a legacy.

Rudi

Quote from: mlcollins on October 04, 2014, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: Rudi on October 04, 2014, 10:09:27 PM
Can never understand some of the cheap digs aimed at Jimmy McG. Super manager who managed a talented teams of underachievers to huge success. Revolutionary in his approach to coaching, tactics and man management, Mickey Harte is the only other man to get close to what this has achieved. Good luck to him no doubt we will see him back at some later stage for Donegal.
It says a lot about you then, they have brought gaelic football into the gutter and now even we can join them on the odd occasion, what a legacy.

Never argue with a fool, because they will drag you down to their level and beat you on experience, springs to mind.

However, lest you forget the quality of Donegal's performances verses Derry and Cork in 2012 and verses Dublin this year was of the highest order. Only other performances that would compare was Mayo v Dublin 06 and 12.

moysider

Quote from: mlcollins on October 04, 2014, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 04, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 04, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 04, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
Huge blow for Donegal... Where do they go from here??

Hard to see themselves or Mayo in the mix next year now with their spiritual leaders gone!!

Your not seriously comparing Horan to McGuinness? Horan was successful in Connacht but failed to win an All Ireland. They were already competitive when he took over and had better players than Donegal. On the other hand Donegal were ranked something like 16-20th in the country when McGuinness took over and actually won an All Ireland and 3 Ulster titles in 4 years.

If Mayo had better players than Donegal then Mayo would have beaten Donegal. McGuinness did great things but those Donegal players aren't a herd of donkeys either.

We hammered them last year and imho would of given them a good rattle in the final this year but we didnt geta chance because cormac reilly and the GAA hierarchy made sure we didnt get a chance.
What a sad and bitter loser you are but sure that is yere lot really, sad, bitter and losers.

Go f**k yerself ye p***k.


muppet

Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2014, 11:00:03 PM

Go f**k yerself ye p***k.

What has happened in Kerry that we have lost good posters like Kerry Mike and gained some complete knobs?
MWWSI 2017

orangeman

Quote from: muppet on October 04, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2014, 11:00:03 PM

Go f**k yerself ye p***k.

What has happened in Kerry that we have lost good posters like Kerry Mike and gained some complete knobs?

KM was a great poster alright. Balanced and reasoned.

Fear ón Srath Bán

KM had had enough alas, and looking at Sheehy's persistent puerility and that other embittered eejit collins' childishly crass contributions (of late) it's not hard to reason why. He's sorely missed.
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...