Scottish independence referendum thread

[passedit]

If the vote is no, feel free to send this link to any of your scottish mates on friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

[thejuice]

I know a few 'Yes' men who are campaigning quite a bit.

The whole thing has taken a nasty tone lately especially after the whole nick Robinson thing. a bit of tit for tat vandalism has been going on and a bit of nasty verbals.

They are hopeful but my feeling the 'No' side will win. Too much of a perceived risk but you never know.

One way or another the UK will be a different place on Friday.

[muppet]

Is it not incredible that Scotland got an independence referendum before Ireland?

[Tony Baloney]

My head still says No will eke it out in the end. As an anecdotal observer it seems that Yes gain most momentum at weekends but fall off again during the week as the daily papers and media hit them with a relentless stream of scaremongering. Yes would need to be clearly ahead by about 5% to counter that come Thursday as there'll be all sorts of doomsday predictions between now and then. I don't think they're that far ahead yet even though they're clearly on the side of the angels.

In Quebec the "Oui" was 54% in the polls but couldn't make it in the end. In this case the polls are 50/50 at best.

As for "The Vow" that is worth less than the 55p it costs to buy the Daily Unionist Record,  the UK has no proper constitution and the government in London will do what it likes  Not that everything there isn't also some puff on the independence side, but the Scottish people can at least vote for what they want there.

My head says the Scots will bottle it as well but the sheer panic in the No camp suggests that they're further ahead than the polls suggest. Rumours that Salmond's own polls are consistently 60% yes and the high number of new voter registrations are not being mainsteam polled. (calling electoral register and landlines only). Projections of a very high turnout would also point to change rather than status quo. Hope they do it but reckon they'll just fall short. Then again many stranger things have happened.

Would agree with you and Ulick. Those with a few quid in their pocket won't want to rock the boat and I think risk aversion is human nature for most people, therefore the "maybes" are likely to tick "naw".

[armaghniac]

Is it not incredible that Scotland got an independence referendum before Ireland?

The SNP provide better leadership than any in Ireland.

[omagh_gael]

Listening to the radio this morning and they had an interesting debate on the wording on the referendum ballot paper. It will ask 'Do you want an independent Scotland?' The debate centered on the psychology of choosing 'yes.' Basically the 'Yes' camp have an advantage in that it is easier to convert people to say 'yes' as opposed to 'no.' People tend to choose the positive answer more often than thd negative and basically Cameron et al should have insisted the ballot paper said 'Do you want to remain apart of the United Kingdom?'

[deiseach]

Listening to the radio this morning and they had an interesting debate on the wording on the referendum ballot paper. It will ask 'Do you want an independent Scotland?' The debate centered on the psychology of choosing 'yes.' Basically the 'Yes' camp have an advantage in that it is easier to convert people to say 'yes' as opposed to 'no.' People tend to choose the positive answer more often than thd negative and basically Cameron et al should have insisted the ballot paper said 'Do you want to remain apart of the United Kingdom?'

The No campaign have definitely missed a trick by not emphasising words like 'separatism' or 'secession'. 'Independence' has a much more noble ring to it.

[Rossfan]

Is it not incredible that Scotland got an independence referendum before Ireland?

As about 80% of Ireland is already Independent.....  answer  to your question is No.
The GFA covers the 6 Cos having a Referendum to either join in an Independent All Ireland or stay with the ( present) UK.
If the Scots jump ship ( please God they will) wonder what will the remnants of the "UK of GB and NI"  be called?

[dec]

PJ O'Rourke on Scottish independence

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/13/up-to-a-point-a-free-scotland-would-be-a-hilarious-disaster.html

[Ulick]

Listening to the radio this morning and they had an interesting debate on the wording on the referendum ballot paper. It will ask 'Do you want an independent Scotland?' The debate centered on the psychology of choosing 'yes.' Basically the 'Yes' camp have an advantage in that it is easier to convert people to say 'yes' as opposed to 'no.' People tend to choose the positive answer more often than thd negative and basically Cameron et al should have insisted the ballot paper said 'Do you want to remain apart of the United Kingdom?'

Scottish government got to set the question wording, UK government got to ensure 'Devo Max' wasn't an option.

[AQMP]

It's maybe hard for we non-Scots to assess the emotional tug of allegiance either to Scotland or the UK but I have to say if I were an undecided voter I would have been concerned by the blind panic and sudden series of promises coming from the No camp at this late stage.  If Devo Max was a non-starter up until 2 weeks ago how come Devo Nearly Max is so easily thrown into the mix now.  Would you really trust any of them?  Self interest springs to mind...if Scotland votes "Yes" can Cameron really survive being the PM who presided over the break up of the UK and it would also confirm Miliband as being unelectable and the Labour party being in crisis...step forward Boris!?!?

[rrhf]

How Cameron hasnt declared war on Somebody in the last month Ill never know.  Has the troops issue hasnt been capitalised on to any great extent. 
They needed business argument to win this one.  I expect them to do it because they have every corporation in the world bullying the sovereignty of the Scots.
People will vote with the economic uncertainty.  The Scots will pass up on their greatest chance because of multi national corporations and the thinly veiled threats.  The commonwealth games etc in Glasgow was very interesting this year.
If they vote to stay part of the union then they might as well join up in sports etc for once and for all.  Scotland as a nation will be a laughing stock. 

[tiempo]

How Cameron hasnt declared war on Somebody in the last month Ill never know.  Has the troops issue hasnt been capitalised on to any great extent. 
They needed business argument to win this one.  I expect them to do it because they have every corporation in the world bullying the sovereignty of the Scots.
People will vote with the economic uncertainty.  The Scots will pass up on their greatest chance because of multi national corporations and the thinly veiled threats.  The commonwealth games etc in Glasgow was very interesting this year.
If they vote to stay part of the union then they might as well join up in sports etc for once and for all.  Scotland as a nation will be a laughing stock.

Her Majesty's wars this last 10 years have been tenuous at best, in reality the Iraq invasion was illegal, the meddling in foreign affairs and the Whitehall position on Palestine are odious. Cameron can't afford to give the SNP the ammo of "your sending our boys off again to the frontlines" hence last week when Obama needed a few troops for his excursion into Iraq/Syria he had to defer to the Aussies.

[dec]

Listening to the radio this morning and they had an interesting debate on the wording on the referendum ballot paper. It will ask 'Do you want an independent Scotland?' The debate centered on the psychology of choosing 'yes.' Basically the 'Yes' camp have an advantage in that it is easier to convert people to say 'yes' as opposed to 'no.' People tend to choose the positive answer more often than thd negative and basically Cameron et al should have insisted the ballot paper said 'Do you want to remain apart of the United Kingdom?'

Have you ever met a unionist?

[bennydorano]

Is it not incredible that Scotland got an independence referendum before Ireland?

The SNP provide better leadership than any in Ireland.

Less Sectarian shite to deal with.