Referendums March 8 on 1 family and 2 carers

[seafoid]

Does anyone understand them ?

[Rossfan]

The Nazifascists are calling for 2 No Votes so they're obviously 2 good things.

[armaghniac]

The Nazifascists are calling for 2 No Votes so they're obviously 2 good things.

That logic does not follow.

[Blowitupref]

On 8 March voters will be asked if they wish to:

-Amend Article 41 of the Constitution to provide for a wider concept of family (i.e. not one only based on marriage)

-Delete Article 41.2 of the Constitution to remove text on the role of women in the home, and insert a new Article 42B to recognise family care

-The family amendment, the 39th Amendment of the Constitution, proposes to amend Article 41.1.1 to insert the words "whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships". It also proposes the deletion of the words "on which the family is founded" from Article 41.3.1.

-The care amendment, the 40th amendment, proposes to delete Article 41.2 from the Constitution and insert an Article 42B with the following wording:


"The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision."

[RedHand88]

I've seen it mentioned that 41.2 is what gives constitutional protection to things like maternity leave. So if this is removed a future Oireachtas could do away with it.

[Rossfan]

To paraphrase ...
A woman can't be forced by economic necessity to neglect her duties in the home.

That could be interpreted as women shouldn't have jobs
Or
The Government should pay all women a living wage to stay at home and cook, wash, tidy, mind children or grandparents etc.

The nazifascists claim the proposed amendment broadening the definition of family is to enable foreigners to bring loads of relations into the State as part of the "Great replacement" and "New plantation".

[Cavan19]

Does anyone know why this is taking place in March and not along with the Local Elections in June?

[Rossfan]

Probably because only Irish Citizens can vote in Referendum, any resident of over 6 months can vote in Local Election and EU citizens probably can vote in the Euros.
Be some confusion at a table in the voting station...you can have 4 papers, you can only have 2, you can only have 1...

[seafoid]

On 8 March voters will be asked if they wish to:

-Amend Article 41 of the Constitution to provide for a wider concept of family (i.e. not one only based on marriage)

-Delete Article 41.2 of the Constitution to remove text on the role of women in the home, and insert a new Article 42B to recognise family care

-The family amendment, the 39th Amendment of the Constitution, proposes to amend Article 41.1.1 to insert the words "whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships". It also proposes the deletion of the words "on which the family is founded" from Article 41.3.1.

-The care amendment, the 40th amendment, proposes to delete Article 41.2 from the Constitution and insert an Article 42B with the following wording:


"The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision."

Strive is weaker than the previous wording. Durable relationships is a legal minefield. The Constitution determines social benefits

[whitey]

If loopholes do exist after the referendum (relating to the definition of a family) I would have zero confidence that the government will step in and close them

It's a lot easier to start virtue signaling and calling people far right than actually doing your job and enforcing the law

[Rossfan]

Yes they really do need to find the arsonist scum and enforce the Law on the cnuts.

[whitey]

Yes they really do need to find the arsonist scum and enforce the Law on the cnuts.

Completely agree

Enfore the laws as they are written (on both Irish Arsonists and Immigration Scammers)

[JoG2]

Yes they really do need to find the arsonist scum and enforce the Law on the cnuts.

Those, currently down on their luck job wise patriots are trying to save our amazing white Irish bloodline

[The Boy Wonder]

Family section of Bunreacht na hÉireann

Referendum information

The Family Amendment (White Ballot Paper)
•    Article 41.1 – referendum on proposed changed wording
•    Article 41.2 – see proposal to delete this article under Care Amendment below
•    Article 41.3 – referendum on proposed changed wording

The Family Amendment to a certain extent mirrors the Marriage Equality referendum held in 2015. There were then and there are now sincerely held views on both sides. Rossfan's post above re. "Nazifascists" is plain childish.


The Care Amendment (Green Ballot Paper)
•    Article 41.2 – referendum on proposal to delete this article entirely (41.2.1 and 41.2.2)
•    Article 42B to be added to the CHILDREN section of Bunreacht na hÉireann

Individualisation was introduced into the Irish Income Tax system over 20 years ago. The purpose was to base the tax system on individuality rather than family relationships. The effect was that a one-income married couple pay more tax than a two-income married couple on the same earnings.

Many would argue that this change to the tax system effectively made Article 41.2.2 redundant and many women were actually obliged, by economic necessity rather than choice, to get a job outside the home. Removing Article 41.2 now is merely window dressing and the new Article 42B is airy-fairy.

[Eire90]

The rise of the far right in ireland is partly to blame on dissident republicans and inla types they seem to be too terrified to go after them