Only a week to go and this is a huge test of Galway imo. If they manage to put it up to Kerry in a champo game in Croker I'll start to believe they have what their teams have lacked in the last few years. I think the Super 8s will benefit Galway because they'll get a champo game in Croker that isn't do or die.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2018, 12:30:33 PM
Only a week to go and this is a huge test of Galway imo. If they manage to put it up to Kerry in a champo game in Croker I'll start to believe they have what their teams have lacked in the last few years. I think the Super 8s will benefit Galway because they'll get a champo game in Croker that isn't do or die.
Galway have it all to prove.
Their Connacht title win can now be put in perspective. They laboured past a limited Roscommon team and a Mayo team on its last legs who were down to 14 men for most of the and missing a few key players with injury.
They have big question marks in defence, I think if you stop Comer you go a long way to stopping Galway. Shane Walsh was brilliant the last day out but he's not dependable.
In saying that they're facing a Kerry side who also have it all to prove.
Can only see a Kerry win by at least 5 pts.
We are concentrating on the hurling today lads! ;)
A lot depends on Kerry imo. They have been struggling under Dub hegemony.
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
A lot depends on Kerry imo. They have been struggling under Dub hegemony.
Not trust your own lads?
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
A lot depends on Kerry imo. They have been struggling under Dub hegemony.
Not trust your own lads?
If they are good enough they will win.
And when our lads are good they can be very good.
I don't mind as long as they are going in the right direction.
I'd be happy with a Sam down the road.
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
A lot depends on Kerry imo. They have been struggling under Dub hegemony.
Not trust your own lads?
If they are good enough they will win.
And when our lads are good they can be very good.
I don't mind as long as they are going in the right direction.
I'd be happy with a Sam down the road.
Very low standards given your critical obsession with Tyrone.
If Galway show up, play well and have cut at them I'll be happy enough, see where that takes us, if Kerry are as great as its made out then even a really good performance mightn't be enough.
What can't be accepted is a repeat of last year's performance against Kerry which was a disgrace, beaten before they walked on the pitch, if that happens again then whatever brickbats are thrown at Galway will be deserved.
The fact that this is not a "win or go home" match will help the Galway lads mentally I think.
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
A lot depends on Kerry imo. They have been struggling under Dub hegemony.
Not trust your own lads?
If they are good enough they will win.
And when our lads are good they can be very good.
I don't mind as long as they are going in the right direction.
I'd be happy with a Sam down the road.
Very low standards given your critical obsession with Tyrone.
Tyrone is a source of endless laughs.
It deserves its own TV show.
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
A lot depends on Kerry imo. They have been struggling under Dub hegemony.
Not trust your own lads?
If they are good enough they will win.
And when our lads are good they can be very good.
I don't mind as long as they are going in the right direction.
I'd be happy with a Sam down the road.
Very low standards given your critical obsession with Tyrone.
Tyrone is a source of endless laughs.
It deserves its own TV show.
You're scared out of your wits to put some expectations towards your own county. You can't keep using Tyrone as a vessel of escapism.
Kerry by 5.
Kerry by 8+
Quote from: BennyCake on July 08, 2018, 06:00:50 PM
Kerry by 8+
At least. We won't keep it pucked out to them.
Galway by 2.
Galway by 3. I don't think the Kerry franchise is what it was.
Galway won in the league, it wasn't exactly a weak Kerry team out in that. Kerry will be better but Galway have to have belief that they can take them again.
Galway have a very week half back line and a very iffy full back line, I can see this being badly exposed against Kerry. Think the Kerry midfield will dominate too.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2018, 05:00:36 PM
If Galway show up, play well and have cut at them I'll be happy enough, see where that takes us, if Kerry are as great as its made out then even a really good performance mightn't be enough.
What can't be accepted is a repeat of last year's performance against Kerry which was a disgrace, beaten before they walked on the pitch, if that happens again then whatever brickbats are thrown at Galway will be deserved.
The fact that this is not a "win or go home" match will help the Galway lads mentally I think.
Agree with that, nobody really giving Galway a chance in this game or to come out of the group. I can't recall seeing any pundit tip Galway to go any further.
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 09, 2018, 12:08:50 AM
Galway have a very week half back line and a very iffy full back line, I can see this being badly exposed against Kerry. Think the Kerry midfield will dominate too.
Half back line fair enough. How did you come to the conclusion that the Full Back line was "very iffy"?
You could start at last year's qf and see how teams have changed in the meantime
Galway are much tighter at the back and had a decent league.
What about Kerry ?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhfUbrTW4AIzyWn.jpg)
Well played Galway!! One of the best things I've read in a long time.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
You could start at last year's qf and see how teams have changed in the meantime
Galway are much tighter at the back and had a decent league.
What about Kerry ?
Galway had a very settled side during the league - especially in terms of their backs.
Kerry in the league had way more rotation/experimentation/injuries/whatever you want to call it.
Galway had 19 players who played 7 or more games in this year's league campaign; Kerry had 2 players who played 7 games.
Galway did play one game more (the final) but I think the stat gives a huge indication into how settled Galway were in the league compared to Kerry who seemed a bit thrown together.
The two teams from last year's quarter-final
QuoteKerry
1. Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion)
3. Mark Griffin (St Michaels-Foilmore)
2. Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes)
4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
7. Paul Murphy (Rathmore)
6. Tadhg Morley (Templenoe)
5. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
8. David Moran (Kerins O'Rahillys)
9. Jack Barry (Na Gaeil)
10. Michael Geaney (Dingle)
11. Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes – captain)
12. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane)
13. Paul Geaney (Dingle)
14. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks)
15. James O'Donoghue (Killarney Legion)
Subs
18. Stephen O'Brien (Kenmare) for Michael Geaney (39)
20. Jack Savage (Kerins O'Rahillys) for O'Donoghue (48)
17. Anthony Maher (Duagh) for Barry (54)
21. Barry John Keane (Kerins O'Rahillys) for Donaghy (57)
22. Killian Young (Renard) for Morley (63)
Galway
1. Bernard Power (Corofin)
2. Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
22. David Walsh (Kilannin)
3. Declan Kyne (Clonbur)
5. Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
6. Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
7. Liam Silke (Corofin)
8. Paul Conroy (St James')
10. Tom Flynn (Athenry)
9. Johnny Heaney (Killannin)
11. Micheal Daly (Mountbellew/Moylough)
13. Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin/Clonberne)
15. Sean Armstrong (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
12. Ian Burke (Corofin)
14. Damien Comer (Annaghdown)
Subs
4. Cathal Sweeney (Killanin) for David Walsh (38)
23. Eamonn Brannigan (St Michael's) for Shane Walsh (44)
19. Michael Farragher (Corofin) for Bradshaw (52)
21. Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Mícheál Breathnach) for Daly (57)
18. Cillian McDaid (Monivea-Abbey) for Flynn (63)
No teams named yet but would expect there to be less changes in the Galway side compared to the Kerry lineout, based on what we've seen in the league and championship so far.
Kerry should only have 7 of the 15 that started last year playing. The young lads coming through are serious players but the ones gone like Johnny Buckley and Donnchadh Walsh were very solid players to replace.
Sean Andy and Lavelle are 2 big additions to last years Galway team and with Paddy Tally's influence defensively I can't see Kerry having it all their own way up front.
The Croke Park record is so bad since 2001 that there's no point in ignoring it, the Galway lads don't know what it is to win a championship match there and it's showed on numerous occasions. Galway had umpteen chances to get into a good position last year against Kerry, they had no belief that they could beat Kerry or had any confidence in themselves bar Ian Burke who looked like he didn't care who was playing in the opposition jerseys.
Kevin Walsh was talking to GBFM in the run up to the match last year and it sounded like he was thanking them for the coverage during the year as if he expected to lose that weekend and not have the chance again, unbelievable stuff to be quite honest.
If that attitude turns up again next Sunday Kerry will win at their ease, and by as much as they want.
Maybe I'm a country mile out but I don't foresee that kind of craven performance this time around, I expect them to show up and if they do they'll give Kerry a match, whether that will be enough to get anything out of it is to be decided.
All that said, if these Kerry lads are the new "class of 75" as advertised then it'll hardly matter what Galway do either way.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 09, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
Kerry should only have 7 of the 15 that started last year playing. The young lads coming through are serious players but the ones gone like Johnny Buckley and Donnchadh Walsh were very solid players to replace.
Sean Andy and Lavelle are 2 big additions to last years Galway team and with Paddy Tally's influence defensively I can't see Kerry having it all their own way up front.
Kerry had to go back to the drawing board in the autumn because they were a long way off Dublin's level, not just last year but for several years. This cuts very deep in Kerry.
Bringing in a load of young lads is no panacea these days. They have to do the iterations. They have to be able to make the best decision for the team at any moment. This requires not just slipped and pace but also spatial awareness. Plus power.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0627/973716-brennan-galway-remind-me-of-kilkenny-in-their-pomp/
"they are really talented and well able to hurl, but you have to have the complete package. Two or three years of strength and conditioning is requisite now for anyone."
Another problem with younger players is shot/pass selection.
Here is a hurling example at 3.44
https://youtu.be/zyowergNnwY
He didn't see who else was available and he shot wide. The exact same issue as in football.
Compare to the way to do it at 0.49
The new players could be the nucleus of a very successful team down the road.
But it less likely to happen in time for the World Cup final.
Galway footballers have been together longer as a team, have built up more experience and if they have learnt from 16 and 17 they will have several advantages over Kerry
Ah, Seafoid, Kerry this and Kerry that! Bar losing to Mayo in 2017. (Which Mayo huffed and puffed to do coupled with leaving Aido back in front of his own square to mind the physiologically fragile mindset of the Mayo player.) Kerry have lost to no one other than Dublin in the last half a decade or so in Championship! Their Croke Park record is very strong and they always know how to control games. There is a lot of talk about the young boys (media Speak) but Kerry will still have a plethora of old heads in responsible positions to steady the ship.
Kerry like playing the old Galway. Nice football, open football, not much cynical and always at arms length on the home strait. The new Galway may ruffle Kerry's feathers, but not enough to end their Croke Park hoodoo!
Not saying you're wrong in terms of how it's going to pan out but if Galway - like they clearly did last year - go in with the attitude that Kerry can't be beaten they'll get soundly walloped.
Would be great to see the two teams just go at it.
Last years performance was disgraceful, Galway were beaten before they left the dressing room and a despite a very average Kerry performance they won 8 points. Galway still though created a lot of chances, missed a lot of good goal chances and kicked some ridiculous wides.
I'd like to think Galway will do better on kickouts, last year Galway were annihailated on them; We lost so many of our own, let Kerry go short far too often and when they were forced to go long Kerry completely dominated. Galway have certainly improved on kickouts this year and there's clearly more of a plan in place so would expect to do far better on them. Peter Cooke & Jack Barry was a fair contest in the Sigerson should they both start although the only way I see Cooke starting is if KW starts with all 3 midfielders. Flynn was dire last July but does appear to have upped the ante this summer. Conroy needs a good game, he's been very average since the league final and that needs to change.
Who knows what Galway wil turn up though, I do think Galway have improved in the tackle and have turned more ball over this year and just look like more of a pest to the opposition in general but putting this into practice is whats its all about and during the first half against Roscommon this didn't happen.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2018, 09:34:40 AM
Ah, Seafoid, Kerry this and Kerry that! Bar losing to Mayo in 2017. (Which Mayo huffed and puffed to do coupled with leaving Aido back in front of his own square to mind the physiologically fragile mindset of the Mayo player.) Kerry have lost to no one other than Dublin in the last half a decade or so in Championship! Their Croke Park record is very strong and they always know how to control games. There is a lot of talk about the young boys (media Speak) but Kerry will still have a plethora of old heads in responsible positions to steady the ship.
Kerry like playing the old Galway. Nice football, open football, not much cynical and always at arms length on the home strait. The new Galway may ruffle Kerry's feathers, but not enough to end their Croke Park hoodoo!
I dunno . If you look back over the last 15 years Kerry have been unable to live with Tyrone and now Dublin. That is not supposed to happen. I think they are taking a tactical approach now with a big dose of young players and that a couple of seasons may be lost in the name of experience. They want to be there when the Dub empire collapses .
The S&C advantage is absolutely huge these days. If you can time your team well you can claim multiple Sams.
If Galway aren't good enough they aren't good enough.
Kerry won 5 of the last 15 Sams all the same.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 10:33:22 AM
Last years performance was disgraceful, Galway were beaten before they left the dressing room and a despite a very average Kerry performance they won 8 points. Galway still though created a lot of chances, missed a lot of good goal chances and kicked some ridiculous wides.
I'd like to think Galway will do better on kickouts, last year Galway were annihailated on them; We lost so many of our own, let Kerry go short far too often and when they were forced to go long Kerry completely dominated. Galway have certainly improved on kickouts this year and there's clearly more of a plan in place so would expect to do far better on them. Peter Cooke & Jack Barry was a fair contest in the Sigerson should they both start although the only way I see Cooke starting is if KW starts with all 3 midfielders. Flynn was dire last July but does appear to have upped the ante this summer. Conroy needs a good game, he's been very average since the league final and that needs to change.
Who knows what Galway wil turn up though, I do think Galway have improved in the tackle and have turned more ball over this year and just look like more of a pest to the opposition in general but putting this into practice is whats its all about and during the first half against Roscommon this didn't happen.
I think we're undoubtedly an improved team this year.
Having said that I don't think we will hold the Kerry attack in Croker.
The major issue for me over the last number of years is not so much that we have lost the games (Kerry 2014 & 2017, Donegal 2015,Tipp 2016) - it's that we have completely died in the second half when the games were in the melting pot.
We didn't go down fighting.
I was at all of those games and it was very disheartening.
We'll need to give massive protection to our fb line to have any chance.
Dec Kyne is a real battler but in a one on one situation against any of that Kerry inside line he is in trouble.
And we don't have any bench reinforcements for that line either.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
Kerry won 5 of the last 15 Sams all the same.
One in the last nine seasons is of a lot more relevance than the exploits of players from 2004 who haven't played in years..
Quote from: galwayman on July 10, 2018, 11:29:07 AM
We'll need to give massive protection to our fb line to have any chance.
Dec Kyne is a real battler but in a one on one situation against any of that Kerry inside line he is in trouble.
And we don't have any bench reinforcements for that line either.
We need to give them a hand because Kerry FF is potentially awesome, and any team will need a bit of aid versus them. But it's not through any massive inadequacies in our FB line. It's such lazy analysis this perception out there that the Galway FB line is weak (not saying you personally were suggesting it). How many more top forwards does Kerin have to get the better of before hes considered top class? For all that SAC is raw, he's still been excellent this year and if a well above average FB at this stage. And for all we give out about Kyne, hes a lot more solid in the corner and has been quite good. If youre talking full forward lines vs Full back lines, id way prefer the match up of Burke/Comer/Walsh against the Kerry fb line than Clifford/Geaney/JOD against the Galway fb line.
It's further out the field that the issues arise. We got destroyed at midfield in the match up last year, and im very frightened of the prospect of Stephen OB and Sean OS being isolated against Bradshaw and Sweeney, far moreso than the FF line.
Really looking forward to this one. I think Galway are a really good side and look by far the most improved team in the country. I think Kerry are on the way to being a serious side....I'm just not exactly sure how far down that road they are. This game will give clues. I'm wondering will this vibrant but inexperienced Kerry attack be able to decode the Tally blanket? How long in the game will Galway opt for ultra defence this before they go toe to toe? Will Walsh start his best players or look to improve as the game goes on by bringing in quality replacements? And if he opts to go defensive from the outset and bring on power and pace in the second half can Kerry get ahead enough to short circuit his plans?
My head tells me Galway will win this but I've a funny feeling about this Kerry team. They could be on to something down there. Galway will need a better performance than they gave in Connacht but might just get there.
Quote from: galwayman on July 10, 2018, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 10:33:22 AM
Last years performance was disgraceful, Galway were beaten before they left the dressing room and a despite a very average Kerry performance they won 8 points. Galway still though created a lot of chances, missed a lot of good goal chances and kicked some ridiculous wides.
I'd like to think Galway will do better on kickouts, last year Galway were annihailated on them; We lost so many of our own, let Kerry go short far too often and when they were forced to go long Kerry completely dominated. Galway have certainly improved on kickouts this year and there's clearly more of a plan in place so would expect to do far better on them. Peter Cooke & Jack Barry was a fair contest in the Sigerson should they both start although the only way I see Cooke starting is if KW starts with all 3 midfielders. Flynn was dire last July but does appear to have upped the ante this summer. Conroy needs a good game, he's been very average since the league final and that needs to change.
Who knows what Galway wil turn up though, I do think Galway have improved in the tackle and have turned more ball over this year and just look like more of a pest to the opposition in general but putting this into practice is whats its all about and during the first half against Roscommon this didn't happen.
I think we're undoubtedly an improved team this year.
Having said that I don't think we will hold the Kerry attack in Croker.
The major issue for me over the last number of years is not so much that we have lost the games (Kerry 2014 & 2017, Donegal 2015,Tipp 2016) - it's that we have completely died in the second half when the games were in the melting pot.
We didn't go down fighting.
I was at all of those games and it was very disheartening.
We'll need to give massive protection to our fb line to have any chance.
Dec Kyne is a real battler but in a one on one situation against any of that Kerry inside line he is in trouble.
And we don't have any bench reinforcements for that line either.
I was over for all 4 games and and it was frustrating that in his 3rd year that we exiting the championship in the same manner as his 1st.
Its a huge match for Kyne, as you state we've no decent replacement so he'll be there for the rest of the championship but he's battling to retain his place for next year so he needs to play well. He did ok on Clifford in the league and would imagine he'll pick him up again with Kerins picking up JOD and Sean Andy on Geaney. That Kerry forward line and wing backs have a lot of pace so there's no way Galway are going leave much space inside their own 45. I hope Galway press the Kerry kickouts but thats not always possible, from free's is obviously a lot easier to do then from a quick break. If Galway can be in the game at half time then they'll have set a good platform to try and win the game as I don't expect them to really go after Kerry in the opening quarter.
Quote from: Manning18 on July 10, 2018, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: galwayman on July 10, 2018, 11:29:07 AM
We'll need to give massive protection to our fb line to have any chance.
Dec Kyne is a real battler but in a one on one situation against any of that Kerry inside line he is in trouble.
And we don't have any bench reinforcements for that line either.
We need to give them a hand because Kerry FF is potentially awesome, and any team will need a bit of aid versus them. But it's not through any massive inadequacies in our FB line. It's such lazy analysis this perception out there that the Galway FB line is weak (not saying you personally were suggesting it). How many more top forwards does Kerin have to get the better of before hes considered top class? For all that SAC is raw, he's still been excellent this year and if a well above average FB at this stage. And for all we give out about Kyne, hes a lot more solid in the corner and has been quite good. If youre talking full forward lines vs Full back lines, id way prefer the match up of Burke/Comer/Walsh against the Kerry fb line than Clifford/Geaney/JOD against the Galway fb line.
It's further out the field that the issues arise. We got destroyed at midfield in the match up last year, and im very frightened of the prospect of Stephen OB and Sean OS being isolated against Bradshaw and Sweeney, far moreso than the FF line.
I'd have more faith in our FB line (esp. if Kerins is fit) than the HB line; Sweeney has been way better than I'd give him credit for this year, but I fear that a pacy man will bring him on a tour; similarly Bradshaw loves attacking but is slow enough to turn and follow back if needs be. Allied to that, Conroy is no longer a midfielder, and CP seems to spook KW as a manager. I think we'll give a much better account of ourselves this time round, (and if by some chance we win, it would surely drive Kerry into the arms of Dublin in the semis), but it's a big ask.
Intriguing contest Galway have been one of the form teams all year and the minimal requirement for them now is All Ireland semi spot and seeing that they haven't done that since 2001 the pressure is on them to deliver. Kerry the jury is still out on them they have taken the risk to introduce new and young faces into their starting team. Cork and Clare provided no challenge for them but all year they have been conceding a glut of goals and Galway forwards in Walsh,Comer,brannigan and Burke will all be looking for goals on Sunday.
Midfield battle will probably be the deciding factor in this game. Conroy,Flynn or Cooke v David Moran, Jack Berry. I presume Kerry will start Kieran Donaghy on the edge of the square after all the problems he caused Galway last year so that should be a good test Sean Andy O Ceallaigh. How Galway mark Paul Geaney will be very important also in the league win v Kerry is was held scoreless i believe.
Finding it hard to call a winner so i'll sit on the fence and call a draw. Galway 2-12 Kerry 1-15
Hoping we can put in a good performance anyway. I don't think winning the game is out of the question but obviously we need to take our chances which we did not to do against Kerry last year. We fluffed numerous goal chances that day and Kerry could just cruise to victory in the end. Quite a few changes to both sides since though between personnel and even coaching.
The Duggan injury is a bit of a blow as Galway have been rotating their 4 midfielders off the bench very effectively but we're now down to 3 and Conroy has maybe been the least impressive of all of them. He really needs a big game on Sunday as he's had a few no shows in Croke Park.
The fixture list hasn't been kind to us either. Kerry first followed by an away game. There's a possibility they could be out of by the time they even reach Salthill depending on results. Provincial champions should probably be guaranteed a home game in their first two Super 8 fixtures. As it is some of the teams that have come through the qualifiers have probably received a kinder fixture list. Donegal too are in a similar if not worse position with Dublin in CP followed by a trip to Roscommon.
Kerry are away in their second game as well.
Galway & Kerry have met 21 times in the Championship, ahead of Sunday's clash in Croke Park.
Kerry lead the head-to-head with 12 wins to Galway's 6, along with 3 draws.
All except one of their meetings have taken place in Croke Park
- 1913 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry 1-08 Galway 0-01
- 1919 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Galway 2-06 Kerry 3-03
(Replay) Galway 4-02 Kerry 2-02
- 1938 All-Ireland SFC final
Galway 3-03 Kerry 2-06
(Replay) Galway 2-04 Kerry 0-07
- 1940 All-Ireland SFC final
Kerry 0-07 Galway 1-03
- 1941 All-Ireland SFC final
Kerry 1-08 Galway 0-07
- 1942 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Galway 1-03 Kerry 0-03
- 1954 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry 2-06 Galway 1-06
- 1959 All-Ireland SFC final
Kerry 3-07 Galway 1-04
- 1960 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry 1-08 Galway 0-08
- 1963 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Galway 1-07 Kerry 0-08
- 1964 All-Ireland SFC final
Galway 0-15 Kerry 0-10
- 1965 All-Ireland SFC final
Galway 0-12 Kerry 0-09
- 1984 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry 2-17 Galway 0-11
- 2000 All-Ireland SFC final
Galway 0-14 Kerry 0-14
(Replay) Kerry 0-17 Galway 1-10
- 2002 All-Ireland SFC Quarter-final
Kerry 2-17 Galway 1-12
- 2008 All-Ireland SFC Quarter-final
Kerry 1-21 Galway 1-16
- 2014 All-Ireland SFC Quarter-final
Kerry 1-20 Galway 2-10
- 2017 All-Ireland SFC Quarter-final
Kerry 1-18 Galway 0-13
Team wise I don't think this team will be too far off;
Lavelle
Kerins
Sean Andy
Kyne
Kelly
Bradshaw
Sweeney
Flynn
Conroy
Brannigan
Walsh
Heaney
McHugh
Comer
Burke
The usual suspects coming of the bench although Duggan is a loss, lets hope Daly is near full fitness as he could certainly make a huge impact.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 12:57:40 PM
Team wise I don't think this team will be too far off;
Lavelle
Kerins
Sean Andy
Kyne
Kelly
Bradshaw
Sweeney
Flynn
Conroy
Brannigan
Walsh
Heaney
McHugh
Comer
Burke
The usual suspects coming of the bench although Duggan is a loss, lets hope Daly is near full fitness as he could certainly make a huge impact.
This will be the real test of the new defence that was premiered in the league. Kerry have a lot to prove as well.
Use of the bench and timing will be key on Sunday - Walsh has improved in this aspect so far in the championship so hopefully the lessons have been well learned from the league final!
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
Use of the bench and timing will be key on Sunday - Walsh has improved in this aspect so far in the championship so hopefully the lessons have been well learned from the league final!
Must have been after 60 minutes before he made hist first sub in the league final but lessons have been learnt from that although the depth of the panel is impressive in midfield and the forwards its certainly can't be said of the defence. Its a shame Cummins has got so many injuries in the last 18 months, his performances in 2016 were by far his best so far when he started to show far more composure in front of the pots.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
Use of the bench and timing will be key on Sunday - Walsh has improved in this aspect so far in the championship so hopefully the lessons have been well learned from the league final!
Provided Galway are still in the game when the 45/50 minute arrives, this is a massive alright, Duggan is a big loss in terms of midfield depth but there will be some decent talent coming from the bench when called upon.
Hopefully the defence can have all personnel playing well Sunday, the cover there is very thin. An early black card for any of the Galway defenders (Sean Andy was very susceptible to them in the league) could be ruinous.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 12, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
Use of the bench and timing will be key on Sunday - Walsh has improved in this aspect so far in the championship so hopefully the lessons have been well learned from the league final!
Provided Galway are still in the game when the 45/50 minute arrives, this is a massive alright, Duggan is a big loss in terms of midfield depth but there will be some decent talent coming from the bench when called upon.
Hopefully the defence can have all personnel playing well Sunday, the cover there is very thin. An early black card for any of the Galway defenders (Sean Andy was very susceptible to them in the league) could be ruinous.
Agreed. Defensive cover from the bench has been our main concern YTD and I expect it will bite us eventually, whether its via injury or black/red cards remain to be seen......................
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
Use of the bench and timing will be key on Sunday - Walsh has improved in this aspect so far in the championship so hopefully the lessons have been well learned from the league final!
Must have been after 60 minutes before he made hist first sub in the league final but lessons have been learnt from that although the depth of the panel is impressive in midfield and the forwards its certainly can't be said of the defence. Its a shame Cummins has got so many injuries in the last 18 months, his performances in 2016 were by far his best so far when he started to show far more composure in front of the pots.
Is Michael Daly still injured?
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
Kerry won 5 of the last 15 Sams all the same.
One in the last nine seasons is of a lot more relevance than the exploits of players from 2004 who haven't played in years..
Two in the last nine seasons actually. Not great but a lot of counties would take two All-Irelands out of every nine.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2018, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
Use of the bench and timing will be key on Sunday - Walsh has improved in this aspect so far in the championship so hopefully the lessons have been well learned from the league final!
Must have been after 60 minutes before he made hist first sub in the league final but lessons have been learnt from that although the depth of the panel is impressive in midfield and the forwards its certainly can't be said of the defence. Its a shame Cummins has got so many injuries in the last 18 months, his performances in 2016 were by far his best so far when he started to show far more composure in front of the pots.
Is Michael Daly still injured?
He played championship for his club the week after the Connacht final anyway & kicked 1-5.
Not sure if he has suffered any recurrence of the injury since or not.
The Kerry franchise is worth a few points but is there any other team that introduced a lock of minors to replace non functioning players and integrated them seamlessly into an unbeatable outfit? I think there is a touch of magical thinking in the air.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0710/977723-all-you-need-to-know-kerry-v-galway/
Kerry have looked imperious thus far as the new batch of minor All-Ireland winners are integrated into the set-up. Shane Murphy in goals, Jason White and Dr Crokes' Gavin White have looked at home in defence, while the eye-catching performances of David Moran and Jack Barry in the middle of the park have meant a steady supply of ball for the attack.
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2018, 11:30:29 PM
The Kerry franchise is worth a few points but is there any other team that introduced a lock of minors to replace non functioning players and integrated them seamlessly into an unbeatable outfit? I think there is a touch of magical thinking in the air.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0710/977723-all-you-need-to-know-kerry-v-galway/
Kerry have looked imperious thus far as the new batch of minor All-Ireland winners are integrated into the set-up. Shane Murphy in goals, Jason White and Dr Crokes' Gavin White have looked at home in defence, while the eye-catching performances of David Moran and Jack Barry in the middle of the park have meant a steady supply of ball for the attack.
One of two errors in the original article (both corrected now)
Didn't realise Kerry had 5 of last years u21 teams who played against Galway start against Cork and thats without mentioning Clifford.
Interview with Comer here;
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-just-lost-interest-how-galway-star-comer-almost-slipped-through-the-intercounty-net-37112980.html
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 13, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Didn't realise Kerry had 5 of last years u21 teams who played against Galway start against Cork and thats without mentioning Clifford.
Interview with Comer here;
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-just-lost-interest-how-galway-star-comer-almost-slipped-through-the-intercounty-net-37112980.html
I'm guessing the team will be released after training tonight.
As regards changes from the Connacht final starting team...
Eoin Kerin is a certainty to replace David Wynne.
Aside from that it's difficult to know. I think that will probably be the only change - Barry McHugh had a poor game last time out but with Duggan injured he will probably keep his place.
I'm sure they don't like the idea of dropping their main freetaker from left or central positions either and shifting all freetaking duties to Shane Walsh who can be hit and miss with them.
I think Duggan would have come in if fit and Conroy moved further forward possibly as he struggles with the pace of midfield in Croker.
With Duggan out though, I think Cooke might be held in reserve as otherwise we have no recognised midfielder on the bench to bring on & we will need fresh legs in that sector late on (Daly can play there but hasn't been used in that position at senior level yet).
That would leave Armie, Danny, Cooke, Varley, Daly as decent forward/mid options and GOD & Johnny Duane for the backs to come on.
If that team starts, 13 of them started the game in Tralee in Feb.
10 of the Kerry Munster final started that day also.
I thought Duggan was a cert to come in for McHugh because we got so badly cleaned at midfield in this fixture last year. Big pity he's injured, strikes me as someone who'll ensure you're never completely beat at midfield. Personally I think there's a decent chance they'll start Cooke and play with 3 out there. Midfielders tend to matter less after the 55 minute mark or so when one team is often behind and short kickouts come that bit handier. If we're behind at that stage I think it's curtains for us regardless. He brought O'Currain into affairs late on last year and we finally won one or two but the horse had bolted at that stage. We'll see though
Quote from: Manning18 on July 13, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
I thought Duggan was a cert to come in for McHugh because we got so badly cleaned at midfield in this fixture last year. Big pity he's injured, strikes me as someone who'll ensure you're never completely beat at midfield. Personally I think there's a decent chance they'll start Cooke and play with 3 out there. Midfielders tend to matter less after the 55 minute mark or so when one team is often behind and short kickouts come that bit handier. If we're behind at that stage I think it's curtains for us regardless. He brought O'Currain into affairs late on last year and we finally won one or two but the horse had bolted at that stage. We'll see though
You could well be correct on that. I just think McHugh will be given another chance, purely on the basis that he is usually (and I stress the word usually) such an accurate freetaker.
He was extremely poor the last day both in general play & in terms of his freetaking.
But I think they'll go with him on the basis that he won't be as bad from frees again.
He kicked some nice ones against the Dubs in the league final.
He lacks pace and is obviously not as strong defensively and in the tackle as others, so we can't have a situation where he is isolated one on one with any Kerry defender within 30 metres of our goal.
The first goal in the Connacht final highlighted that.
I personally did not believe Duggan was good enough for county football, so I can't say I saw the performances he has put in this year coming at all. But he is now a massive loss for this game.
I was starting to build up my hopes for the game until I started going through some of the previews and the dark clouds of impending doom soon returned. Just listened to the GAA Hour there and Galway were pretty much written off completely. They actually gave a McBrearty less Donegal a much better chance against the Dubs. I guess recent visits to CP have made it hard to trust this Galway side until they actually do it.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2018, 01:41:59 PM
I was starting to build up my hopes for the game until I started going through some of the previews and the dark clouds of impending doom soon returned. Just listened to the GAA Hour there and Galway were pretty much written off completely. They actually gave a McBrearty less Donegal a much better chance against the Dubs. I guess recent visits to CP have made it hard to trust this Galway side until they actually do it.
You should have a read of the sports sections of Kerry's Eye and The Kerryman, you'll be waiting at home and watching the World Cup final GBB! That said hopefully Éamonn Fitzmaurice is using the journalist that expected Connoy and Ó Curraoin to line out at midfield on Sunday for their advance scouting!!!
In all seriousness though until Galway put in a performance in Croke Park that's the way it'll be, you couldn't argue with it too much, it's up to the current Galway team to change that narrative.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 13, 2018, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2018, 01:41:59 PM
I was starting to build up my hopes for the game until I started going through some of the previews and the dark clouds of impending doom soon returned. Just listened to the GAA Hour there and Galway were pretty much written off completely. They actually gave a McBrearty less Donegal a much better chance against the Dubs. I guess recent visits to CP have made it hard to trust this Galway side until they actually do it.
You should have a read of the sports sections of Kerry's Eye and The Kerryman, you'll be waiting at home and watching the World Cup final GBB! That said hopefully Éamonn Fitzmaurice is using the journalist that expected Connoy and Ó Curraoin to line out at midfield on Sunday for their advance scouting!!!
In all seriousness though until Galway put in a performance in Croke Park that's the way it'll be, you couldn't argue with it too much, it's up to the current Galway team to change that narrative.
Spot on.
I also feel Kerry will have too much.
Galway will play defensively and try to hang in there for first half, cannot say I blame them.
However, My mind goes back to how Galway struggled to beat a 14 man Mayo team, and had similar issues V Roscommon until last 10 minutes.
I look at the odds sometimes for shits and giggles and to place the odd bet. I was very surprised to see Kerry -2 at 4/5, so were some others as it is now 4/6.
I went back and looked at lineouts from last year, Kerry have six changes in personnel from last years semi-final V Mayo. They are not the finished article, but I cannot see Galway's midfield or backline holding Kerry. They seem to be highly motivated and I cannot see Galway getting closer than 5-6 pts.
Conroy very talented but has been so so in Croke Park and the lack of a back up for their midfield will hurt.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 13, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Didn't realise Kerry had 5 of last years u21 teams who played against Galway start against Cork and thats without mentioning Clifford.
Interview with Comer here;
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-just-lost-interest-how-galway-star-comer-almost-slipped-through-the-intercounty-net-37112980.html
How many of that Galway team start or are likely to come on as sub?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 14, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 13, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Didn't realise Kerry had 5 of last years u21 teams who played against Galway start against Cork and thats without mentioning Clifford.
Interview with Comer here;
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-just-lost-interest-how-galway-star-comer-almost-slipped-through-the-intercounty-net-37112980.html
How many of that Galway team start or are likely to come on as sub?
From the U-21 game last year?
Sean Andy and Sean Kelly will start. Cooke might start. Daly on the bench. Not sure if Molloy is still on the panel. He was earlier in the Summer anyway.
Latest news seems to suggest Michael Daly will start his first ch/ship game of the year,Barry Mc Hugh the man to lose out,a little bit more pressure on Shane Walsh as he will be taking any frees.Seems to suggest a more attacking formation as Daly is not the best at tracking back and defending.
Big call if that's true but it's go hard or go home at this stage, talent wise Daly has it but will need to demonstrate it now on the big stage.
You'd be a small bit worried about the Free taking if that's the case.
In particular from long range.
Shane Walsh will take from both sides now it would appear.
I think McHugh is worth another go for his frees alone.
As long as we don't allo him to be isolated in a one on one situation defensively that is
Lavelle
Kyne
Sean Andy
Wynne
Sweeney
Bradshaw
Heaney
Conroy
Flynn
Brannigan
McHugh
Kelly
Burke
Comer
Walsh
No Kerin again. That is not good news at all.
Yeah that's not good at all.
Yeah, Kerin is a very big loss if not fit, we just don't have adequate defensive cover at all. Best of luck to Wynne, hope he has a stormer!
Just bear in mind that team was sent in for match programme last wed/thu.
Quote from: cornetto on July 14, 2018, 08:33:04 PM
Just bear in mind that team was sent in for match programme last wed/thu.
I don't believe that's the team that will line out.
That's just the Connacht final team put in for the programme I would say.
Daly for McHugh & Kerin for Wynne the 2 likely changes.
Hopefully Kerin lines out, no offence to Wynne but Kerin is one of our best players, need him out there and playing well.
Going on today's result involving roscommon,we could be in for a tough afternoon.
Was just looking back at the Galway v mayo match Jesus mayo missed a lot of chances.i know it was cagey that no one wanted to lose.
The game against roscommon Galway looked in trouble but did manage to turn it around,I'm just a bit fearful that we beat a poor team.Hopefully Ross are better than they showed today and Galway give a good account of themselves.
Spillane talks up how good the Kerry forward line is by showing examples of scores against Cork. Cork?
Only 25k at this double header? i see Michael Daly is given a start a bit odd when you consider he played little football this year.
Barry McHugh will be missed today for the frees
This is a challenge match, right?
Quote from: shark on July 15, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
This is a challenge match, right?
Some atmosphere though.
Game played in silence have the supporters gone to sleep with the lack of action on the field?
Was Bradshaws kick pass Galway first in 10mins??
I'm watchin 2 snails racing in the garden-lovin the rain....fuk I can't take the excitement-better go back to Kerry/Galway😣😣
At least Martin very much so Carney is great to listen too.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 15, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
At least Martin very much so Carney is great to listen too.
7 minutes before he worked out that Daly was in for Varley.
It's a shite game but not as shite as Martin Carney's commentary!
I hope that injury for Paul Conroy isn't as bad as it looked. The way this contest is going 0-8 might be enough to win this game?
Between wides and balls dropped into goalkeeper
Galway are at 8
Kerry totally cleaned at midfield
Galway getting a lot of the decisions here.
Yellow card for Donoghue when Conroy got away with a similar slide along the ground (The fact he injured himself is irrelevant).
Joe Brolly right about Galway@ this defensive shit be the end of fball! Kerry very young team and will be nowhere near Dublin! World cup a better game and given the crowd there playing this game at the same time was a serious mistake! No atmosphere at the game at all! Cassidy poor too
The Super 8s have turned into a complete shîtshow.
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
The Super 8s have turned into a complete shîtshow.
Thank god we (Mayo) were not good enough to get this far!
Imagine wasting money and time on this shite!
Broken leg for Conroy.
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
The Super 8s have turned into a complete shîtshow.
Who would have guessed it.
Terrible for the lad, hope he recovers fully.
Edge of the seat stuff both sides will probably settle for a low scoring draw.
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
The Super 8s have turned into a complete shîtshow.
This.
Sooner these clowns at the top stop making decisions the better.
Whole championship being dragged out needlessly.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
Broken leg for Conroy.
Jez, hate to see sportmen in their prime badly injured!
They've taken what was one of the best weekends for football, the All Ireland Quarter Finals over the August Bank Hol weekend, and reduced the quarter final stage to this rubbish, awful stuff.
Galway have gone the way of all defence to wear down the opposition like Tyrone and Donegal! Ugly as hell to watch and it not win an all-ireland
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2018, 04:56:38 PM
Galway have gone the way of all defence to wear down the opposition like Tyrone and Donegal! Ugly as hell to watch and it not win an all-ireland
No style of football will when Dublin exists.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2018, 04:56:38 PM
Galway have gone the way of all defence to wear down the opposition like Tyrone and Donegal! Ugly as hell to watch and it not win an all-ireland
Believe me when Galway are attacking, Kerry have just as many bodies back in defence.
Actually glad to watch this putrid shite.. Imagine it was any ulster team. Let's hear kerry folks explain their defensive gameplan. Woeful
Yes they have plenty bck cause the only way to beat this crap is to match it accordingly!
Would be fair to say Tyrone are now second favs for the all ireland behind the dubs? I realise the conditions are poor but both Kerry and Galway have been horrible.
2nd half has improve and the crowd at a bit more alive now. Thankfully it will take more than 0-8 to win this game now
Kicking this away here. Awful wides.
Quote from: gaafan2 on July 15, 2018, 05:14:49 PM
Would be fair to say Tyrone are now second favs for the all ireland behind the dubs? I realise the conditions are poor but both Kerry and Galway have been horrible.
Maybe they are horrible because they are cancelling each other out? Maybe not?
Only for Clifford Kerry would be fcuked today.
Really stupid sending off.
I take it Throw-Ball is protesting outside RTE headquarters at this game making the TV? Sitting in his wee Armagh jersey with a bottle of buckie.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 15, 2018, 05:29:31 PM
Really stupid sending off.
It was but if the umpires saw the punch then they saw the Galway player dragging him back in the first place and yet no black card shown there - Why?
The mustachioed umpire looks the spitting image of the randy milkman in Father Ted.
Munster and Connacht football must be a poor standard. Dublin and Tyrone miles ahead of the rest at this stage. At least the the Super 8's will expose the weaker teams to a greater extent.
That goal the icing on the cake for Galway. Kerry dreadful today did they think they were going to get the same time and room on the ball as they got v Clare and Cork?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 15, 2018, 05:29:31 PM
Really stupid sending off.
Why fitzmaurice still had him on the field after his shit performance says it all.
A manager who is in over his head.
Galway obviously the next best thing to Dublin now.
I told ye about Kerry. But the likes of Rossfan will be very quiet about that fact. It doesn't fit their narrative.
Well done Galway.
Croke Park losing streak over.
Kerry Losing streak over as well!
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
Munster and Connacht football must be a poor standard. Dublin and Tyrone miles ahead of the rest at this stage. At least the the Super 8's will expose the weaker teams to a greater extent.
I don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Very poor spectacle, Galway full value, much the hungrier team. I wouldn't be writing Kerry off just yet. The beauty of the super 7s now is the big guns get to have an off day. Though they'll get their fill of it in Clones, might head down to it.
Tyrone, 2nd favourites, behave!
Geaney just rolled the ball on the ground to Clifford for the Kerry goal lol.
Still havent seen anything to keep dublin players up at night
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
How would they get on against Monaghan?
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 05:43:10 PM
Galway obviously the next best thing to Dublin now.
I told ye about Kerry. But the likes of Rossfan will be very quiet about that fact. It doesn't fit their narrative.
You told us the rossies would knock Tyrone out of the championship yesterday so your opinion on Kerry is worth f**k all.
You can be shit one week and great the next. That's the beauty of football. It's still all to play for every team
Except Roscommon obviously
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 05:48:01 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
How would they get on against Monaghan?
No, Tyrone are now AI favourites because they beat Roscommon and Cork. Anything else is pure heresy, Bunker.
Tyrone on another level, lol.
Lads if ye want to blather about Tyrone I'm sure there is another thread to do it on.
Quote from: redzone on July 15, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
You can be shit one week and great the next. That's the beauty of football. It's still all to play for every team
Except Roscommon obviously
This is it, the qf 2nd games should be worth the watch (I hope!)
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 05:48:01 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
How would they get on against Monaghan?
No, Tyrone are now AI favourites because they beat Roscommon and Cork. Anything else is pure heresy, Bunker.
Tyrone on another level, lol.
Yesterday showed they're certainly on another level to your lot. ;D 8)
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 05:48:01 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
How would they get on against Monaghan?
No, Tyrone are now AI favourites because they beat Roscommon and Cork. Anything else is pure heresy, Bunker.
Tyrone on another level, lol.
I think everyone in Tyrone will know they've a bit to go before being talked about in the AI. They've got stronger as they've went along this year, similar to 2008. But as yet no big scalp. The manner of the destruction of Roscommon will build a bit of hype. But the reality is Cavan and Meath caused more problems. So hard to place where Tyrone are at.
The theory on giving youth its chance just backfired on Kerry. It'll be interesting to see their team next week.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
Tyrone need to focus on getting out of their own group first and if they happen to meet Galway in the last 4 we'll see what level Tyrone are on then.
Quote from: highorlow on July 15, 2018, 06:06:55 PM
The theory on giving youth its chance just backfired on Kerry. It'll be interesting to see their team next week.
It was a manager on his last year rolling the dice but to be honest Kerry's best player today was one of their youngest. Too many of their older players are past it now and need replacing.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
QuoteI don't think it follows that because Tyrone hammered Ros, they would beat Galway (or Mayo for that matter). A poorer 2017 Galway still hammered Donegal.
Tyrone would beat Galway or Kerry with a few to spare, they're on a different level.
Nope!!
Quote from: highorlow on July 15, 2018, 06:06:55 PM
The theory on giving youth its chance just backfired on Kerry. It'll be interesting to see their team next week.
Did it ? Clifford was Kerry's best player. I think this will stand to Kerry over the next couple of years though I think Fitzmaurice will be well gone. His quite poor really.
Delighted with the win.
Couldn't give a f**k what it was like as a spectacle tbh.
Best wishes to Paul Conroy.
A nasty injury.
We are down to the bare bones now around the middle with Duggan also out for the next 2 games.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2018, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 15, 2018, 06:06:55 PM
The theory on giving youth its chance just backfired on Kerry. It'll be interesting to see their team next week.
It was a manager on his last year rolling the dice but to be honest Kerry's best player today was one of their youngest. Too many of their older players are past it now and need replacing.
Jack O'connor won't be the shoo in for the job he looked like he would be a couple of years ago.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
Munster and Connacht football must be a poor standard. Dublin and Tyrone miles ahead of the rest at this stage. At least the the Super 8's will expose the weaker teams to a greater extent.
How would you rate the standard of football in Leinster balladmaker?
Quote from: galwayman on July 15, 2018, 06:47:36 PM
Delighted with the win.
Couldn't give a f**k what it was like as a spectacle tbh.
Best wishes to Paul Conroy.
A nasty injury.
We are down to the bare bones now around the middle with Duggan also out for the next 2 games.
Yes, Galway have finally realised it's about the result and not playing nice football against Kerry.
Think Kerry expected an old Skool shoot out today!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 15, 2018, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
Munster and Connacht football must be a poor standard. Dublin and Tyrone miles ahead of the rest at this stage. At least the the Super 8's will expose the weaker teams to a greater extent.
How would you rate the standard of football in Leinster balladmaker?
I don't get the point of these conversations. And I don't get GAA people who identify with provinces. Maybe it's just me.
Double leg breeak for Conroy. Between that and being KO'd in the Mayo game he's had no luck this Summer. Had started today's game well too.
Have gone from having four midfielders to being down to the bare bones.
Seems Galway stuffed them. Were they impressive?
Kerry will find it tight now qualifying for a semi spot
Quote from: BennyCake on July 15, 2018, 07:31:33 PM
Seems Galway stuffed them. Were they impressive?
Terrible match overall really with some awful wides. Probably should have won by more then 3 though considering some of the wides we kicked and the Kerry goal at the death which probably shouldn't have counted. It annoyed me momentarily as I thought of the score difference but that soon passed.
Who cares in the end though? I'd prefer an ugly win than a beautiful defeat any day.
Hup Galway
Terrible day for Kerry well beaten. The lack of intensity basic errors were shocking. The only Kerry player to show was Clifford
Overall poor game but that won't matter to Galway who were well up for it . terrrible injury for Conroy
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2018, 07:21:00 PM
Double leg breeak for Conroy. Between that and being KO'd in the Mayo game he's had no luck this Summer. Had started today's game well too.
Have gone from having four midfielders to being down to the bare bones.
How long is Duggan out for? Is Fiontan O'Curraoin an option? Thought Peter Cooke done very well when came on.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 15, 2018, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2018, 07:21:00 PM
Double leg breeak for Conroy. Between that and being KO'd in the Mayo game he's had no luck this Summer. Had started today's game well too.
Have gone from having four midfielders to being down to the bare bones.
How long is Duggan out for? Is Fiontan O'Curraoin an option? Thought Peter Cooke done very well when came on.
Duggan is out for the Super 8's anyway. They think he might be back if they get past that stage. O'Curraoin not in the squad. Has had a lot of injury problems. Cooke is good alright. Still only a young buck though.
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
Where does Charlie Redmond come in the scheme of things? ;D
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
I didn't see Keegan. Mikey is quite good alright and comes across well.
Keegan must have a Monaghan mother for SouthDublinBro to be so negative about him.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
What did Keegan say?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
How come I knew who wrote this without even looking at the name first?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2018, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
Where does Charlie Redmond come in the scheme of things? ;D
Charlie is the Dublin version of David Brady ;) They both write for that rag too. ;D
Poor game, great win! Was a lot more comprehensive than the final score line suggests as we kicked a heap of wides and bad ones at that, especially in the 1st half. Wish all the very best to PC, no luck at all this year. Onwards to Newbridge!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2018, 08:36:10 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 15, 2018, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2018, 07:21:00 PM
Double leg breeak for Conroy. Between that and being KO'd in the Mayo game he's had no luck this Summer. Had started today's game well too.
Have gone from having four midfielders to being down to the bare bones.
How long is Duggan out for? Is Fiontan O'Curraoin an option? Thought Peter Cooke done very well when came on.
Duggan is out for the Super 8's anyway. They think he might be back if they get past that stage. O'Curraoin not in the squad. Has had a lot of injury problems. Cooke is good alright. Still only a young buck though.
O Curraoin is actually back training with the squad.
Not sure fitness-wise or recovery-wise how he's fixed though
Awful news about Conroy, hope he gets back stronger then ever.
I think despite the result Clifford proved he's the real deal not that there was much doubt.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2018, 10:42:43 PM
The narrative coming out of TSG doesn't reflect the game I watched. "Galway good and 'effective' but Kerry very poor."
Both were poor IMO with Galway slightly better and getting breaks at important times. There really wasn't a pile between them. Sloppy play, lack of penetration and attacking ideas equally from both teams.
There was a big gap between them today.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2018, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 15, 2018, 11:14:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2018, 10:42:43 PM
The narrative coming out of TSG doesn't reflect the game I watched. "Galway good and 'effective' but Kerry very poor."
Both were poor IMO with Galway slightly better and getting breaks at important times. There really wasn't a pile between them. Sloppy play, lack of penetration and attacking ideas equally from both teams.
There was a big gap between them today.
Nonsense. There was a gap but it was small enough.
Wasn't a good game needless to say but I thought a 3 point margin in the end flattered Kerry considerably. They clawed back 1-1 deep in injury time and the goal should never have stood. Both sides hit too many wides but I thought ours were much worse. We missed some right sitters throughout the game. Both sides can play a lot better than they showed today I think even if the surface was like an ice rink.
That said I would have been delighted with a 1 point win beforehand.
If Galway had been more clinical in front of Galway would won by a lot more. Brannigan and Comer were very quiet today.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Don't forget they lost a man for a stupid, selfish action with 15 minutes to go and the game still in the balance.
They were already well on their way to shipping a beating by then.
Exellent performance by Galway - not an attractive match to look at, and that was influenced by outside factors such as the inevitably poor attendance and the rain, but they did what they had to do and a three point margin was very flattering to Kerry.
That was the performance Galway had been waiting 17 years for - like Tyrone in 2003, they didn't care how they got it done, only that they got it done, and they were dead right to think like that.
How wrong high profile pundits have been about them this year. Their emergence is brilliant for the game and they should grow masssively from that victory.
Sets it up for an absolutely fascinating second week in that group with the tantalising prospect of Kerry being eliminated in Clones.
Well the dust has settled on what was a huge win for galway,the thoughts of "having" to go to Newbridge and get a result would not have sat well.They would prefer to get a result in Newbridge but at least have the cushion of a tough game at home v Monahan.As for yesterday I kept thinking kerry were going to explode to life,but full credit to Galway they chased everything and stopped kerry from playing, which is what they have done to mayo the last couple of years.Going forward it's a huge confidence boost,the loss of Conroy a blow but I believe the belief in themselves and their system will soar, how far it takes them is the big question.
This is a real compliment
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/were-a-work-in-progress-kerry-plans-derailed-by-complex-tribes-web-37121909.html
For Fitzmaurice the hope is that the game will bring them on, but patience isn't a virtue back home.
"I keep saying it, that we're a work in progress. We have a lot of changes made. We're trying to go in a direction but when you're doing that, sometimes you're going to get caught with a knock-out and we did today. We just played a team that were a bit further down the line than us, were a bit more streetwise and played better than us."
It's been a long time since I've seen such an inept Kerry performance. Bar David Clifford every other player lost his individual match up. How good are Galway? Well we don't really know. But they got the job done, despite kicking a barrowfull of wides.
Kerry's defeat really puts them under pressure. They have to go to Clones and get a result. That won't be easy against a team that sets up similar to Galway.
Best wishes to Paul Conroy, hopefully Galway don't miss him too much.
I think Galway still don't get the credit they deserve and even after yesterday the consensus appears to be that Kerry were very poor givig no credence to Galways performance. League form is the best barometer of a teams level and the reality is that Dublin are the only team to have beaten Galway this season to date. They were 3/1 to beat Kerry yesterday which in hindsight was madness based on this seasons form alone.
For me the main takeaway was that we got into the trenches with Kerry and outfought them. The game could have been won more convincingly but the first time any team takes a signifcant champ scalp it doesn't matter how it's achieved. The belief now has to be as good as it can ahead of an inevitable show down with the Dubs.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-divilly/galway-turned-up-with-a-plan-what-was-kerrys-472838.html?&session=ulw2JAkrRqo8DHRwLkS7cLKXL+KA0KdznSDCLEEOM4U=
Divilly sees Galway as tactically far superior to Kerry - not sure about that but the fight was definitely better than Kerry's.
Quote from: Paudi Meehan on July 16, 2018, 10:46:27 AM
For me the main takeaway was that we got into the trenches with Kerry and outfought them. The game could have been won more convincingly but the first time any team takes a signifcant champ scalp it doesn't matter how it's achieved. The belief now has to be as good as it can ahead of an inevitable show down with the Dubs.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-divilly/galway-turned-up-with-a-plan-what-was-kerrys-472838.html?&session=ulw2JAkrRqo8DHRwLkS7cLKXL+KA0KdznSDCLEEOM4U=
Divilly sees Galway as tactically far superior to Kerry - not sure about that but the fight was definitely better than Kerry's.
Careful now, there's still a lot of water to pass under the bridge now before that becomes a reality.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
The difference between Meehan and Keegan as pundits is night and day. Meehan came off as knowledgeable and articulate. Keegan clueless and classless.
Disagree strongly.
I expect newbies to be pretty crap, but Keegan was very good. Only downside was a few times he'd more to say and was talked over by Brolly.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2018, 11:31:50 PM
Wasn't a good game needless to say but I thought a 3 point margin in the end flattered Kerry considerably. They clawed back 1-1 deep in injury time and the goal should never have stood. Both sides hit too many wides but I thought ours were much worse. We missed some right sitters throughout the game. Both sides can play a lot better than they showed today I think even if the surface was like an ice rink.
That said I would have been delighted with a 1 point win beforehand.
That goal could end be being important if the end.
Could have the situation of Monaghan getting 6 points and the others all 2. Or Kildare getting none and the others all getting 4. In which case points difference will be key.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Don't forget they lost a man for a stupid, selfish action with 15 minutes to go and the game still in the balance.
The guy they lost was useless, it says it all about Kerry's backs or lack thereof that he is even close to a starting place, remember the stupid free he gave away on the inside the 13 meter line, with two other defenders next to him.
Quote from: joemamas on July 16, 2018, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Don't forget they lost a man for a stupid, selfish action with 15 minutes to go and the game still in the balance.
The guy they lost was useless, it says it all about Kerry's backs or lack thereof that he is even close to a starting place, remember the stupid free he gave away on the inside the 13 meter line, with two other defenders next to him.
It had no impact on the outcome as Galway were winning that match regardless of the sending off.
Fitzmaurice knows how to prepare a team physically but his in game management from a tactical perspective is poor. Some of his substitutions and switches (or lack of them) have been baffling. Taking off Geaney against the Dubs, allowing Enright get cleaned out by Andy Moran until it was too late are just two that spring to mind. Kerry have the players to challenge the Dubs but underperformed in a big way yesterday. I'd expect them to come out fighting against Monaghan next week with their season on the line. If the don't and Kerry suffer another defeat then I think it is curtains for Fitzmaurices reign.
They were very poor yesterday but I fully expect them to beat Monagahn by 6 or 7 points!
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 16, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
They were very poor yesterday but I fully expect them to beat Monagahn by 6 or 7 points!
I also expect them to have too much for Monaghan up front. The qualifier teams will have played now for 5 consecutive weeks which will begin taking it's toll mentally and physically.
Ian Burke was excellent again yesterday, he's turning into the most important player in that forward line, the way he brings others into the game is brilliant along with his movement and his finishing.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 16, 2018, 05:17:34 PM
Ian Burke was excellent again yesterday, he's turning into the most important player in that forward line, the way he brings others into the game is brilliant along with his movement and his finishing.
He is the perfect team mate.
I would have to wonder do lads even like Gaelic football the way they speak of the games.
Did people really think that this was going to be a free-flowing game of attacking football?
Are people not interested in how teams try and work each other out? Why can't we get some analysis of Galway's game bar they had X amount of players in their own half. I saw Ros and Tyrone the day before and they had every lad back too, but still was great to see how Tyrone could fashion chances, or how Ros got their goal but we hear nothing about it.
I was really looking forward to this game, and was delighted with the result. The atmosphere was flat as shocking day, world cup final and the super 8s meaning it's like you're playing three times as many quarter-finals - I'd wonder how many can afford attendance at all of them.
Back to the game, Galway looked like they had a plan. Kerry reminded me of how Galway used to play a defensive system pre-Tally. Not really getting it. Shows you the quality of Clifford that he still kicked as much as he did.
You couldn't say that any Galway lad played above himself, but we still managed to win relatively comfortably. That's a great sign that we are going well.
After watching the match back earlier the scoreline flatters Kerry hugely. Galway, given the platform we got from winning the midfield battle comprehensively, should have won that match by 7-8 points, some terrible wides in both halves that a more clinical performance would have surely seen them converted.
Ian Burke is a magician with the ball in hand and never stops making runs to make himself an outlet for the pass from other players, the difference he makes up front for Galway is hard to overstate.
Sean Kelly was fantastic, hard to believe the progress he's made this year, such a shame that his U21 cohort McDaid isn't also available, what a tandem they would be.
Best of luck in his recovery to Paul Conroy, sad to see such a horrible injury ending his year. Midfield depth has gone from a big strength to much weaker over the past few weeks, Cooke was very good when called upon though.
Daly and Comer didn't have great days but in fairness to Comer he occupies so much attention from the opposition that he makes it easier for other players. Varley with a another telling impact from the bench.
Clifford was excellent for Kerry, some prospect. Kerry midfield beat up a stick. James O'Donoghue was cleaned out by Kerin again this year. Nice to see Declan Kyne getting the score that his performance deserved as well.
Some baffling decisions by the ref, how Brannigan and Burke didn't get two cast iron, kickable frees in the second half was bewildering, very whistle happy for other innocuous incidents in contrast.
If scoring difference comes into it after the 3 matches then I'll be fairly livid that Clifford's goal was allowed to stand, Geaney just threw the ball out to him, should have been a free out.
Great to get rid of two unwanted records yesterday but there's still big scope for improvement looking to next Sunday in Newbridge, Galway need to keep this going.
Question for the Galway lads-how come it has taken Ian Burke so long to establish himself on the Galway team?He really only made the starting 15 against Donegal last year.I saw him playing for Mayo in New York 2 years ago and he was by a distance the best player in every game despite often being double and tripled marked.He has that rare ability to always do the right thing when he has the ball whether it is to lay it off or take the shot on.If I was giving advice to any young player on good forward play he would be the first example I would give .An absolute gem of a player
Quote from: maigheo on July 16, 2018, 10:59:01 PM
Question for the Galway lads-how come it has taken Ian Burke so long to establish himself on the Galway team?He really only made the starting 15 against Donegal last year.I saw him playing for Mayo in New York 2 years ago and he was by a distance the best player in every game despite often being double and tripled marked.He has that rare ability to always do the right thing when he has the ball whether it is to lay it off or take the shot on.If I was giving advice to any young player on good forward play he would be the first example I would give .An absolute gem of a player
I think there was a fear for a while that he would just be too small and slight for intercounty football and he's not even particularly quick for a small lad. What he does have incredible movement, game intelligence and vision. Always keeps making runs and knows exactly when to lay the ball off or turn and take his own score.
Quote from: maigheo on July 16, 2018, 10:59:01 PM
Question for the Galway lads-how come it has taken Ian Burke so long to establish himself on the Galway team?He really only made the starting 15 against Donegal last year.I saw him playing for Mayo in New York 2 years ago and he was by a distance the best player in every game despite often being double and tripled marked.He has that rare ability to always do the right thing when he has the ball whether it is to lay it off or take the shot on.If I was giving advice to any young player on good forward play he would be the first example I would give .An absolute gem of a player
Possible concerns over commitment in his younger years, he's only 24ish and a bit of stubborn behaviour on Kevin Walsh's behalf the last couple of years and what GBB has mentioned. That coupled with the runs Corofin have been on the last few years have meant very little league game time too for him to prove himself to the management.
I was thinking about this too and was wondering was it that he doesn't really kick the lights out in games that he gets overlooked.
He won't come off with 2-8 in a club game or anything like that because he's such an unselfish player. If Shane Walsh had Burke's footballing brain it'd be something else
I love watching Burke, he's now fundamental to our attack.
Will teams start doubling up on him now?
Teams are already doubling up on Comer, this is why Burke gets the single coverage at the moment, don't know if you can double up on both of them simultaneously and whoever gets the single coverage I'd back to do decent damage if they get sufficient ball.
Burke is a game changer for Galway up front, his movement off the ball is a sight to behold in person, but he still goes under the radar as he is not going to flashily burn past anyone like Walsh or hit huge scores. Indeed one Kerry supporter I was talking to afterwards when I mentioned Burke as a possible MOTM for Galway, enquired "which one was he?"!!!
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/comment-damaging-defeat-suggests-eamonn-fitzmaurices-kerry-team-are-going-backwards-37121910.html
Haven't watched it back again yet but will do late on. The atmosphere was dire, for as bad as turnout it was from Galway I think we still outnumbered Kerry 2:1.
Would agree with AFU that Burke gets more space because of the attention Comer is getting, I heard several people mention on Sunday that Comer might not start and I thought he didn't look 100% so he might still be carrying an injury.
It appeared that Galway's wides were from more scoreable angles than Kerry's on the whole, I wouldn't be hugely worried although thats the 2nd game in a row where Brannigan has been guilty of some poor misses and it was a problem for him in previous years.
As for Kerry the hpye they got was ridiclous it transpired, you'd expect the nonsense from Brolly but Tomas O'Se fell into the trap and got very carried away with predicting Kerry to hammer Galway. In fairness I listened to Quirke & O'Cinneide on Friday and both were far more cautious. Kerry may have won the last 4 minors titles but they've still done nothing at u20 level and haven't won a game outside of the province at that level since 2008, their minor teams have been taller and more physical than anyone else's and it makes a huge difference at that age. Kerry could still reach the final but I just don't see how they could trouble the Dubs, they've too much work to do in such a short space of time.
Armstrong didn't feature yesterday, is he injured? As for Galway injuries are starting to mount and its a concern, forwards wise out strength in depth is good with Varley especially having a big impact in every game he's came on in. Midfield now a worry with Conroy & Duggan out, lets hope Conroy makes a speedy recovery. I'd be worried if we picked up an injury in the defence, certainly not as stacked as the forwards.
Most of us Galway posters were still criticising the kickout strategy in the early rounds of the league, got to give them credit as there's been a significant improvement at both ends of the pitch and in Lavelle's kicking; He's really impressed me this season and has continued to improve.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2018, 01:11:15 PM
It appeared that Galway's wides were from more scoreable angles than Kerry's on the whole, I wouldn't be hugely worried although thats the 2nd game in a row where Brannigan has been guilty of some poor misses and it was a problem for him in previous years.
As for Kerry the hpye they got was ridiclous it transpired, you'd expect the nonsense from Brolly but Tomas O'Se fell into the trap and got very carried away with predicting Kerry to hammer Galway. In fairness I listened to Quirke & O'Cinneide on Friday and both were far more cautious. Kerry may have won the last 4 minors titles but they've still done nothing at u20 level and haven't won a game outside of the province at that level since 2008, their minor teams have been taller and more physical than anyone else's and it makes a huge difference at that age. Kerry could still reach the final but I just don't see how they could trouble the Dubs, they've too much work to do in such a short space of time.
Armstrong didn't feature yesterday, is he injured? As for Galway injuries are starting to mount and its a concern, forwards wise out strength in depth is good with Varley especially having a big impact in every game he's came on in. Midfield now a worry with Conroy & Duggan out, lets hope Conroy makes a speedy recovery. I'd be worried if we picked up an injury in the defence, certainly not as stacked as the forwards.
Most of us Galway posters were still criticising the kickout strategy in the early rounds of the league, got to give them credit as there's been a significant improvement at both ends of the pitch and in Lavelle's kicking; He's really impressed me this season and has continued to improve.
Other thoughts;
Brannigan was better Sunday than the Connacht final, but needs to kick on again and really show that he can do it at the highest level (personally I have my doubts but will be delighted to be proved wrong).
Hope Daly gets another chance to show what he's capable off, maybe a more open game will suit him, not that there's going to be many of them.
Walsh has now taken on the mantle of being our most important player; superbly skillful and starting to take more of the right options. Comer is vital too but nowhere near as skillful as Walsh or varied in his play.
Anyone notice we changed our sub goalie?
Injuries are starting to mount up but Duggan may be back soonish. Dreadful luck to Paul Conroy, and hopefully, like Tom Parsons, not career-threatening. Without meaning to be harsh though, he's no huge loss to midfield as his best work in more recent games came in attack anyway. Armstrong cried off with injury beforehand also. Our forward options are getting stretched a bit also.
Kerry were incredibly terrible though, particularly in midfield.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2018, 01:11:15 PM
The atmosphere was dire, for as bad as turnout it was from Galway I think we still outnumbered Kerry 2:1.
Most of us Galway posters were still criticising the kickout strategy in the early rounds of the league, got to give them credit as there's been a significant improvement at both ends of the pitch and in Lavelle's kicking; He's really impressed me this season and has continued to improve.
I'd bump that to nearly 3:1, there wasn't a sinner from Kerry at it.
In fairness, Lavelle was fantastic with the restarts at the weekend and has improved no end, to bounce back from the Roscommon debacle last year is some going.
His kick to an on running Kerin right on the sideline over the Kerry player in the first half displayed the confidence he is kicking with, there was no room for error and it was straight into the breadbasket. When a short one or a free man isn't available there's a plan now, put plenty of men in one area beside the sideline, pump it out and try to win the break, it's not that sophisticated but there is at least a clear plan in place, that wasn't the case last year or earlier this year. Galway were definitely helped in how poor Kerry were in the middle third though, I don't know if it was the conditions but David Moran's legs looked like they were gone on Sunday anyway.
Quote from: mouview on July 17, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2018, 01:11:15 PM
It appeared that Galway's wides were from more scoreable angles than Kerry's on the whole, I wouldn't be hugely worried although thats the 2nd game in a row where Brannigan has been guilty of some poor misses and it was a problem for him in previous years.
As for Kerry the hpye they got was ridiclous it transpired, you'd expect the nonsense from Brolly but Tomas O'Se fell into the trap and got very carried away with predicting Kerry to hammer Galway. In fairness I listened to Quirke & O'Cinneide on Friday and both were far more cautious. Kerry may have won the last 4 minors titles but they've still done nothing at u20 level and haven't won a game outside of the province at that level since 2008, their minor teams have been taller and more physical than anyone else's and it makes a huge difference at that age. Kerry could still reach the final but I just don't see how they could trouble the Dubs, they've too much work to do in such a short space of time.
Armstrong didn't feature yesterday, is he injured? As for Galway injuries are starting to mount and its a concern, forwards wise out strength in depth is good with Varley especially having a big impact in every game he's came on in. Midfield now a worry with Conroy & Duggan out, lets hope Conroy makes a speedy recovery. I'd be worried if we picked up an injury in the defence, certainly not as stacked as the forwards.
Most of us Galway posters were still criticising the kickout strategy in the early rounds of the league, got to give them credit as there's been a significant improvement at both ends of the pitch and in Lavelle's kicking; He's really impressed me this season and has continued to improve.
Other thoughts;
Brannigan was better Sunday than the Connacht final, but needs to kick on again and really show that he can do it at the highest level (personally I have my doubts but will be delighted to be proved wrong).
Hope Daly gets another chance to show what he's capable off, maybe a more open game will suit him, not that there's going to be many of them.
Walsh has now taken on the mantle of being our most important player; superbly skillful and starting to take more of the right options. Comer is vital too but nowhere near as skillful as Walsh or varied in his play.
Anyone notice we changed our sub goalie?
Injuries are starting to mount up but Duggan may be back soonish. Dreadful luck to Paul Conroy, and hopefully, like Tom Parsons, not career-threatening. Without meaning to be harsh though, he's no huge loss to midfield as his best work in more recent games came in attack anyway. Armstrong cried off with injury beforehand also. Our forward options are getting stretched a bit also.
Kerry were incredibly terrible though, particularly in midfield.
Brannigan is still only 22/23 and I do think his shooting can be worked on. Overall I was impressed with his performance, he's probably a similar style player to Stephen O'Brien in stature and pace but offers a lot more to the team than O'Brien does. Great to see Daly back, he was bound to be a bit rusty given it was his first start in nearly 12 months.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2018, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: mouview on July 17, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2018, 01:11:15 PM
It appeared that Galway's wides were from more scoreable angles than Kerry's on the whole, I wouldn't be hugely worried although thats the 2nd game in a row where Brannigan has been guilty of some poor misses and it was a problem for him in previous years.
As for Kerry the hpye they got was ridiclous it transpired, you'd expect the nonsense from Brolly but Tomas O'Se fell into the trap and got very carried away with predicting Kerry to hammer Galway. In fairness I listened to Quirke & O'Cinneide on Friday and both were far more cautious. Kerry may have won the last 4 minors titles but they've still done nothing at u20 level and haven't won a game outside of the province at that level since 2008, their minor teams have been taller and more physical than anyone else's and it makes a huge difference at that age. Kerry could still reach the final but I just don't see how they could trouble the Dubs, they've too much work to do in such a short space of time.
Armstrong didn't feature yesterday, is he injured? As for Galway injuries are starting to mount and its a concern, forwards wise out strength in depth is good with Varley especially having a big impact in every game he's came on in. Midfield now a worry with Conroy & Duggan out, lets hope Conroy makes a speedy recovery. I'd be worried if we picked up an injury in the defence, certainly not as stacked as the forwards.
Most of us Galway posters were still criticising the kickout strategy in the early rounds of the league, got to give them credit as there's been a significant improvement at both ends of the pitch and in Lavelle's kicking; He's really impressed me this season and has continued to improve.
Other thoughts;
Brannigan was better Sunday than the Connacht final, but needs to kick on again and really show that he can do it at the highest level (personally I have my doubts but will be delighted to be proved wrong).
Hope Daly gets another chance to show what he's capable off, maybe a more open game will suit him, not that there's going to be many of them.
Walsh has now taken on the mantle of being our most important player; superbly skillful and starting to take more of the right options. Comer is vital too but nowhere near as skillful as Walsh or varied in his play.
Anyone notice we changed our sub goalie?
Injuries are starting to mount up but Duggan may be back soonish. Dreadful luck to Paul Conroy, and hopefully, like Tom Parsons, not career-threatening. Without meaning to be harsh though, he's no huge loss to midfield as his best work in more recent games came in attack anyway. Armstrong cried off with injury beforehand also. Our forward options are getting stretched a bit also.
Kerry were incredibly terrible though, particularly in midfield.
Brannigan is still only 22/23 and I do think his shooting can be worked on. Overall I was impressed with his performance, he's probably a similar style player to Stephen O'Brien in stature and pace but offers a lot more to the team than O'Brien does. Great to see Daly back, he was bound to be a bit rusty given it was his first start in nearly 12 months.
Thought Daly looked nervous or something. He kicked a few terrible wides for a lad who is normally a very good point scorer from distance. These ones should have been gimmes for him but he snatched at them. It was his first start for Galway in ages though so maybe understandable that he was a bit skittish.
Might struggle to hold his place as Varley has been doing so well off the bench but maybe no harm in keeping Varley as a bench option either.
There is a lot of merit introducing Varley against a tiring defence, has been very effective to date in the championship. As I mentioned last week, the more timely introduction of subs since the league final has been a welcome progression. Daly did look nervous on Sun but I think he will get another start this weekend coming.
This is nice for a change
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-ó-sé-kerry-hurting-because-they-lack-the-men-to-lead-them-1.3568403
Watched it again last night, plenty to work on from a Galway point of view. Both teams had a lot of wides but Galway were certainly guiltier of missing the clearer chances. Heaney's & Cooke's misses in the 2nd half were shocking whilst Daly & Brannigan missed 2 each. Daly is normally very accurate and I'd expect a fully fit Daly to nail both of them, Brannigan is more hit and miss. Walsh should have scored too in the first half, was under no pressure and just outside the D. Comer hit a few wides but they were from more speculative angles.
Galway really should have scored at least 1-17, Galway would normally hit a few great scores from distance but that didn't happen on Sunday; I think Varley's 1st score was the only one that was about 5 yards outside the D. Galway were 2 points up when Young was sent off, they really should have been 4 or 5 points up at the time.
AFU is right about Comer, he just isn't getting the space Burke did but there was 3 occasions on Sunday when Comer was out in front of his man and the ball into him was diabolical, think that happened 3 times; He was on on the 20m line on each occasion and we all know how dangerous he is if he gets the ball in hand and gets turned, he'll win frees all day long.
Sean Kelly again was outstanding, for a lad I thought wouldn't be strong enough he's really exceeded my expectations, he has some set of lungs on him.
Kerry fans are the oddest bunch I ever came across , I counted eight Kerry jerseys in the hotel when the game was going on including a family of four who were watching the soccer. The hotel was a tad disgraceful too , the two big screens had the soccer on with full volume , we had to settle for small TV's at the bar with no volume .
Before it's said why didn't you go across the road , I never would pay in to watch other counties play .
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
This is nice for a change
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-ó-sé-kerry-hurting-because-they-lack-the-men-to-lead-them-1.3568403
That just sounds very much like Darragh O'Se sticking up for his mate and pointing the blame at the players. Fitzmaurice is ultimately the one who picks the team and makes the changes.
I'd expect a big reaction from Kerry on Sunday but they will be going into a bearpit in Clones and if Monaghan bring a dogs of war mentality that they are capable of, then Kerry could be in big trouble and facing the humiliating prospect of playing a dead rubber in Killarney on match day 3.
Presuming Flynn and Cooke can't both play 70+ full minutes in every game going forward who exactly is going to cover midfield off the bench? I don't think there was another specialist midfielder on the bench against Kerry.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 18, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
This is nice for a change
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-ó-sé-kerry-hurting-because-they-lack-the-men-to-lead-them-1.3568403
That just sounds very much like Darragh O'Se sticking up for his mate and pointing the blame at the players. Fitzmaurice is ultimately the one who picks the team and makes the changes.
I'd expect a big reaction from Kerry on Sunday but they will be going into a bearpit in Clones and if Monaghan bring a dogs of war mentality that they are capable of, then Kerry could be in big trouble and facing the humiliating prospect of playing a dead rubber in Killarney on match day 3.
Kerry had a collective (with the exception of Clifford and Moran for the most part) off day. O'Donaghue, Geany etc etc etc all misfired. I still think they'll win it this year, or at the very least, run Dublin closest.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 18, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Presuming Flynn and Cooke can't both play 70+ full minutes in every game going forward who exactly is going to cover midfield off the bench? I don't think there was another specialist midfielder on the bench against Kerry.
Cein Darcy is on the training panel I believe, Fiontan Ó Curraoin is back training too by the sound of things but you'd question what he'd offer at this stage of the competition after nearly a full year out of the game after his leg break. I still think the axing of Ronan Steede from the panel in April was a mistake. Not saying he'd be an option to start but he'd be good to have to throw in after 50 minutes when fresh legs are needed, he has plenty of experience of playing at a high level and he's an excellent kick passer.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 18, 2018, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 18, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Presuming Flynn and Cooke can't both play 70+ full minutes in every game going forward who exactly is going to cover midfield off the bench? I don't think there was another specialist midfielder on the bench against Kerry.
Cein Darcy is on the training panel I believe, Fiontan Ó Curraoin is back training too by the sound of things but you'd question what he'd offer at this stage of the competition after nearly a full year out of the game after his leg break. I still think the axing of Ronan Steede from the panel in April was a mistake. Not saying he'd be an option to start but he'd be good to have to throw in after 50 minutes when fresh legs are needed, he has plenty of experience of playing at a high level and he's an excellent kick passer.
Never been a huge FOC fan, he's never kicked on from his u21 days although neither had Flynn until the last few months but as you say he's been out injured for so long its hard to make a case for him making an impact. I'm a huge fan of D'Arcy from what I've seen him of him so far but given he's still u20 and that he's in a position is very physically demanding he may not be ready to play championship just yet.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 19, 2018, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 18, 2018, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 18, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Presuming Flynn and Cooke can't both play 70+ full minutes in every game going forward who exactly is going to cover midfield off the bench? I don't think there was another specialist midfielder on the bench against Kerry.
Cein Darcy is on the training panel I believe, Fiontan Ó Curraoin is back training too by the sound of things but you'd question what he'd offer at this stage of the competition after nearly a full year out of the game after his leg break. I still think the axing of Ronan Steede from the panel in April was a mistake. Not saying he'd be an option to start but he'd be good to have to throw in after 50 minutes when fresh legs are needed, he has plenty of experience of playing at a high level and he's an excellent kick passer.
Never been a huge FOC fan, he's never kicked on from his u21 days although neither had Flynn until the last few months but as you say he's been out injured for so long its hard to make a case for him making an impact. I'm a huge fan of D'Arcy from what I've seen him of him so far but given he's still u20 and that he's in a position is very physically demanding he may not be ready to play championship just yet.
We have no sub midfielders though if we don't use either D'Arcy or FOC so at least one of them will have to be on the bench in Newbridge.
Possibly GOD or Daly (play there for M/M) could do an emergency shift there during the game if needs be.
Quote from: galwayman on July 19, 2018, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 19, 2018, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 18, 2018, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 18, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Presuming Flynn and Cooke can't both play 70+ full minutes in every game going forward who exactly is going to cover midfield off the bench? I don't think there was another specialist midfielder on the bench against Kerry.
Cein Darcy is on the training panel I believe, Fiontan Ó Curraoin is back training too by the sound of things but you'd question what he'd offer at this stage of the competition after nearly a full year out of the game after his leg break. I still think the axing of Ronan Steede from the panel in April was a mistake. Not saying he'd be an option to start but he'd be good to have to throw in after 50 minutes when fresh legs are needed, he has plenty of experience of playing at a high level and he's an excellent kick passer.
Never been a huge FOC fan, he's never kicked on from his u21 days although neither had Flynn until the last few months but as you say he's been out injured for so long its hard to make a case for him making an impact. I'm a huge fan of D'Arcy from what I've seen him of him so far but given he's still u20 and that he's in a position is very physically demanding he may not be ready to play championship just yet.
We have no sub midfielders though if we don't use either D'Arcy or FOC so at least one of them will have to be on the bench in Newbridge.
Possibly GOD or Daly (play there for M/M) could do an emergency shift there during the game if needs be.
I'd say Darcy will be on the bench in Newbridge, he'd have to be ahead of Fiontan match sharpness wise. Daly is also an option as you said galwayman, hopefully he gets another chance this weekend, he has so much potential but just didn't get going last weekend. Thought it was a strange decision to start him to be honest when he has very little football played between league and championship.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 19, 2018, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: galwayman on July 19, 2018, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 19, 2018, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 18, 2018, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 18, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Presuming Flynn and Cooke can't both play 70+ full minutes in every game going forward who exactly is going to cover midfield off the bench? I don't think there was another specialist midfielder on the bench against Kerry.
Cein Darcy is on the training panel I believe, Fiontan Ó Curraoin is back training too by the sound of things but you'd question what he'd offer at this stage of the competition after nearly a full year out of the game after his leg break. I still think the axing of Ronan Steede from the panel in April was a mistake. Not saying he'd be an option to start but he'd be good to have to throw in after 50 minutes when fresh legs are needed, he has plenty of experience of playing at a high level and he's an excellent kick passer.
Never been a huge FOC fan, he's never kicked on from his u21 days although neither had Flynn until the last few months but as you say he's been out injured for so long its hard to make a case for him making an impact. I'm a huge fan of D'Arcy from what I've seen him of him so far but given he's still u20 and that he's in a position is very physically demanding he may not be ready to play championship just yet.
We have no sub midfielders though if we don't use either D'Arcy or FOC so at least one of them will have to be on the bench in Newbridge.
Possibly GOD or Daly (play there for M/M) could do an emergency shift there during the game if needs be.
I'd say Darcy will be on the bench in Newbridge, he'd have to be ahead of Fiontan match sharpness wise. Daly is also an option as you said galwayman, hopefully he gets another chance this weekend, he has so much potential but just didn't get going last weekend. Thought it was a strange decision to start him to be honest when he has very little football played between league and championship.
Daly has the class for the big day I think. It might take him a while to get up to speed but he has something special.