Premier League 20/21

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Guardiola is a chequebook manager. He doesn't even compare to Klopp.

[sid waddell]

Different managers are cut out for different levels and ego is a massive part of that, to manage at the real top level yu have to have total certainty in yourself and an ego to match, for example it became apparent very quickly that David Moyes didn't have that

Solskjaer doesn't have it either, neither does Lampard for all his front

The notion that Sam Allardyce would have done what Guardiola did with Barcelona is laughable

Guardiola will never manage a Burnley for the same reason Michael Schumacher didn't drive a Minardi

Guardiola's style was designed for the very top end of the game, it was designed to produce relentless winning machines who totally destroyed opponents, it was almost an intellectual exercise, a sort of grand football plan like Baron Haussman's idea to rebuild Paris

He is still able to produce relentless winning machines, and did it with Manchester City for two years, but what he demands of players, and of himself, is so draining that it seems it can only be sustained for a reasonably short period of time

At Barcelona that was three years, Bayern three, he's now over four years into it at Manchester City which is longer than he spent with either Barcelona or Bayern

And his failings in European ties are consistent

Over the last seven years he has consistently found new and more hilarious ways to lose

He is a genius, but the very intensity that produces winning machines in the league means he overthinks things in big cup matches

His leaders have always been inherited, but he doesn't sign leaders

Vincent Kompany's worth to Manchester City was incalculable

He dislikes personality and prefers roboticism, and in big cup matches that's a serious drawback

You could even see it as far back as that semi-final against Chelsea in 2009 when Barcelona spent 92 minutes banging their heads off a brick wall before one mistake by a Chelsea player set up the chance for Iniesta

Even in 2011, their absolute peak, Barcelona were one gilt edged Nicklas Bendtner chance away from elimination

I don't think he'll get Manchester City back to where they were, the fire has burned out there and I don't think he's a repair man

[sid waddell]

Guardiola is a chequebook manager. He doesn't even compare to Klopp.

He isn't that at all, he's a coach, his signings have very often let him down, his main players have nearly always been inherited, he's quite poor in the transfer market

He's very good at coming into an already very good team and turning them into a relentless winning machine in a league situation but he seems to completely lose his marbles in high pressure cup situations

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Guardiola is a chequebook manager. He doesn't even compare to Klopp.

He isn't that at all, he's a coach, his signings have very often let him down, his main players have nearly always been inherited, he's quite poor in the transfer market

He's very good at coming into an already very good team and turning them into a relentless winning machine in a league situation but he seems to completely lose his marbles in high pressure cup situations

He is absolutely a chequebook manager, look what he has spent. Anyone could've won trophies with the teams he's managed.

[sid waddell]

Guardiola is a chequebook manager. He doesn't even compare to Klopp.

He isn't that at all, he's a coach, his signings have very often let him down, his main players have nearly always been inherited, he's quite poor in the transfer market

He's very good at coming into an already very good team and turning them into a relentless winning machine in a league situation but he seems to completely lose his marbles in high pressure cup situations

He is absolutely a chequebook manager, look what he has spent. Anyone could've won trophies with the teams he's managed.

Go through his career, his key players have rarely been big signings, they have usually been inherited

Anyway, hope for the rest - Thiago Alcantara has tested positive for Covid

[Boycey]

So Guardiolas not very good now, some of you boys shouldn't be let on the internet 

[An Watcher]

Jesus lads I watched a bit of that game last night and I have to say it's brutal to watch. In general soccer is away to the dogs. No challenges, players paid a fortune, VAR, the list goes on. Brutal

[GiveItToTheShooters]

So Guardiolas not very good now, some of you boys shouldn't be let on the internet 

Not really no. This narrative that he's a good manager because he has won with the best squad of players in each country he has been in with a blank chequebook is laughable.
He should go and manage the likes of Atletico Madrid, Arsenal, Lyon/Marseille or AC Milan, and prove himself like Klopp has done, but he won't, because only goes to the top team with a blank chequebook. Juve or PSG will be next for him i'd imagine.
Hope that helps Boycey.

[Captain Obvious]

He dislikes personality and prefers roboticism, and in big cup matches that's a serious drawback

Wasn't a drawback for Jim Gavin but I suppose GAA management is a bit different than trying to manage overpaid professionals across the water.

[Boycey]

So Guardiolas not very good now, some of you boys shouldn't be let on the internet 

Not really no. This narrative that he's a good manager because he has won with the best squad of players in each country he has been in with a blank chequebook is laughable.
He should go and manage the likes of Atletico Madrid, Arsenal, Lyon/Marseille or AC Milan, and prove himself like Klopp has done, but he won't, because only goes to the top team with a blank chequebook. Juve or PSG will be next for him i'd imagine.
Hope that helps Boycey.

He needs to prove himself 

[SHEEDY]

So Guardiolas not very good now, some of you boys shouldn't be let on the internet 

Not really no. This narrative that he's a good manager because he has won with the best squad of players in each country he has been in with a blank chequebook is laughable.
He should go and manage the likes of Atletico Madrid, Arsenal, Lyon/Marseille or AC Milan, and prove himself like Klopp has done, but he won't, because only goes to the top team with a blank chequebook. Juve or PSG will be next for him i'd imagine.
Hope that helps Boycey.

jeez man, you'd think the way you were talking klopp has done it on a shoestring. Pep has spent lots of money, so has klopp, Klopp spent massive money sorting out his goalkeeper and defence. City have played 2 games, bit early to write the obituary yet.

[thewobbler]

Guardiola had City playing truly exceptional football two seasons ago. I wondered at the time how he managed to keep a bunch of spoiled, pampered millionaires so tuned in and committed.

Turns out it didn't happen like that. As soon as Liverpool challenged their performance levels and made it into a scrap, they were found wanting.

But the same thing will happen to Liverpool sooner or later. Maybe this season, maybe next. A bunch of pampered twats in all reality probably won't like it when they have to knock their pans out in order to stay on top, and a couple of injuries later and a couple of defeats later, they are reined back into being a good team, not a great one.


The key to all of this is of course what Fergie did at United, and turn the team over completely every 3-4 years. But people forget that Fergie did throw in some lean years (in a less competitive league) doing this too.

FWIW both Koop and Guardiola are fanaatic managers. The ability to coach and coerce The highest ego of horrible **** footballers to play in a system and work hard for 90 mins is a rare, rare gift.

[J70]

Guardiola had City playing truly exceptional football two seasons ago. I wondered at the time how he managed to keep a bunch of spoiled, pampered millionaires so tuned in and committed.

Turns out it didn't happen like that. As soon as Liverpool challenged their performance levels and made it into a scrap, they were found wanting.

But the same thing will happen to Liverpool sooner or later. Maybe this season, maybe next. A bunch of pampered twats in all reality probably won't like it when they have to knock their pans out in order to stay on top, and a couple of injuries later and a couple of defeats later, they are reined back into being a good team, not a great one.


The key to all of this is of course what Fergie did at United, and turn the team over completely every 3-4 years. But people forget that Fergie did throw in some lean years (in a less competitive league) doing this too.

FWIW both Koop and Guardiola are fanaatic managers. The ability to coach and coerce The highest ego of horrible **** footballers to play in a system and work hard for 90 mins is a rare, rare gift.

You don't have much for pro-footballers, do you?

[GetOverTheBar]

Guardiola is a chequebook manager. He doesn't even compare to Klopp.

I mean this one says it all. Klopp was fairly average in England until......yep, you guessed it, splashed the cash.

Both have been successful in England and in their careers, both are exceptional managers, but lets call a spade a spade.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

So Guardiolas not very good now, some of you boys shouldn't be let on the internet 

Not really no. This narrative that he's a good manager because he has won with the best squad of players in each country he has been in with a blank chequebook is laughable.
He should go and manage the likes of Atletico Madrid, Arsenal, Lyon/Marseille or AC Milan, and prove himself like Klopp has done, but he won't, because only goes to the top team with a blank chequebook. Juve or PSG will be next for him i'd imagine.
Hope that helps Boycey.

He needs to prove himself 

I agree, he does.