Anyone see the show last night?
Thought it was going to reveal a lot more, going by the previews of it. At the end of the day it just confirmed what was already thought.
Why was Mc Cormick (sp) so annoyed about impersonating a priest?
Programme promised a lot and delivered nothing.
For all the talk of the skills and courage of Nairac, how naive and stupid was he to think he could flounce about
Cross then go to Dromintee and expect nobody to recognise him?
Difficult to have any sympathy.
YOU TAKE THE MONEY, YOU TAKE THE RISK!
Getting what he deserves is a inflammatory way of saying what I think you actually meant 5 Times? However given he supposed involvment in the ShowBand killings(edit: need to check on Pitchfork , I recall him being stationed there at the time), some may feel justice was done...
Nairac was arrogant and cocky, these "missions" to the Three Steps, included him getting on stage and singing in a mock Belfast accent. They were unofficial missions too, never sanctioned by HQ etc. It hardly suprising that he was found out, he was a marked man for a while, but accoring to martin dillion, his end was premature. The local brigade wanted to use him for info etc, but he was collared by a few locals in the carpark, who then summoned the provos after giving him a beating.
There were a lot of words used to describe Nairac in the show...brave, etc, etc, .......the one that wasnt used is the only one that applies....stupid.
Nothing new at all in that show. might as well just have read out existing literary accounts.
That was McCormac all right.
The plan to hold nairac and extract info from him was scuppered when the locals thought it'd be a good idea to phone Townsend.
something i dont understand about mc cormacks version of events from last night.
he said he was there when they grabbed Nariac in the car park and brought him to the field, and he said that he then asked him if he wanted a priest, and that he then proceed to impersonate a priest.
did Nariac not spot that it was the same person all along.
If a British solider, maybe an RIR person, was frequenting a pub in south Armagh these days, and got done-in, would he 'get what he deserved'?, and how would that square with support for the Peace Process and a complete, permanent end to the armed campaign?
Quote from: guy crouchback on June 20, 2007, 12:49:46 PM
something i dont understand about mc cormacks version of events from last night.
he said he was there when they grabbed Nariac in the car park and brought him to the field, and he said that he then asked him if he wanted a priest, and that he then proceed to impersonate a priest.
did Nariac not spot that it was the same person all along.
I didn't get that either. Maybe he put on a different voice or something, impersonated Father Dougal McGuire maybe.
Quote from: GweylTah on June 20, 2007, 12:57:18 PM
If a British solider, maybe an RIR person, was frequenting a pub in south Armagh these days, and got done-in, would he 'get what he deserved'?, and how would that square with support for the Peace Process and a complete, permanent end to the armed campaign?
Homestly think its changed times and he wouldn't get done in.
However, it would be a bit daft for him to be there, having been part of a group which abused, harrassed, injured and killed members of the local community, and expect people to be buying him drinks.
Quote from: GweylTah on June 20, 2007, 12:57:18 PM
If a British solider, maybe an RIR person, was frequenting a pub in south Armagh these days, and got done-in, would he 'get what he deserved'?, and how would that square with support for the Peace Process and a complete, permanent end to the armed campaign?
You will need to qualify your question , would this modern day soldier be supporting sectarian murder gangs etc?
Then you could prob get an answer from the relevant poster.
As for the priest, it was reported elsewhere that he asked for a priest but was instead told to say a prayer.
Was there any mention of his killing sprees into County Monaghan and his trophy photographs of his victims? Any mention of him arming unionist paramilitaries in mid Ulster while based in Mahon Rd barracks on Portadown?
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 01:38:04 PM
Was there any mention of his killing sprees into County Monaghan and his trophy photographs of his victims? Any mention of him arming unionist paramilitaries in mid Ulster while based in Mahon Rd barracks on Portadown?
Nope Donagh that he was a mighty "brave" man.
Personally I would replace the word "brave" with "stupid, cocky bast*rd" -
We reap what we sow!
spotlight has gone to the dogs since the well noted 'students of the holylands' episode...quality watching that night! :S
I missed it last night. Is it repeated anytime during the week?
Absolutely shite programme, I really hate these stupid re-enacted stories masquerading as documentary journalism. There were so many holes you could have used the programme as a sieve. The worst of which was the story about how they managed to be in a field in the middle of nowhere and managed to call an IRA 'gun man', from Dundalk and get him to get a gun and come and meet them. In the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night in the days before mobile phones, aye right that adds up. ::)
p.s. some of the comments on this thread are depressing but unfortunately not unexpected.
What was a UVF handkerchief doing on display in Nairacs memorial in London? What was he doing with a UVF handkerchief in the first place?
i thought that as well sammy they must have been a long time hanging around the field waiting for yer man to arrive. just standing there with a half dead unknow man lying at their feet.
having said that i got the impression that they shot him with his own gun.
What's depressing about the comments Sammy? I'd have thought you'd have been happy enough to see another dirty war terrorist meet his end or his it because he was one of yours?
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 05:44:02 PM
What's depressing about the comments Sammy? I'd have thought you'd have been happy enough to see another dirty war terrorist meet his end or his it because he was one of yours?
Depressing because it shows how little it takes for the mask to slip. It wouldn't matter if the victim was Mother Teresa or Hannibal Lecter, as long as he's one of 'themmuns' he got what he deserved.
So you would find similar comments in reference to an IRA Volunteer equally depressing? Funny I didn't notice a similar reaction when you and OWC were discussing the "suicide" of Bobby Sands.
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 05:54:21 PM
So you would find similar comments in reference to an IRA Volunteer equally depressing? Funny I didn't notice a similar reaction when you and OWC were discussing the "suicide" of Bobby Sands.
If somebody had dragged Bobby Sands into a field and beat and tortured him half to death before shooting him and dumping the body, then no I wouldn't say he got what he deserved and I would want the people involved brought to justice. I'm not sure how him killing himself is comparable to the issue being discussed.
The point is that there is a perception here that you only find these comments depressing because this 'terrorist' was one of yours. That perception may be wrong but understandable given that you have never displayed a similar reaction when the death of IRA people have been discussed.
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:04:35 PM
The point is that there is a perception here that you only find these comments depressing because this 'terrorist' was one of yours. That perception may be wrong but understandable given that you have never displayed a similar reaction when the death of IRA people have been discussed.
What deaths of IRA men have I discussed?
After reading this thread, I am no longer going to visit this forum, I just hope as a young Catholic man in Ireland, not everyone shares the voice of many on this thread and this forum, I hope I never meet any of you boys at a match, as I would walk the other way, a mans life was taken, by more than one man, in a field at night. I just cannot agree with most of the "support" on here and I have enjoyed reading about my team, but I think you are all letting the side down, as Ireland enters a new peace I only feel sorry for most of your own children and the mindset they must have. A fellow supporter and friend told me about this forum, so I looked it up and came on to have a look, he did also tell me that some people on here can be a bit bigoted and I really have to wonder where all this anger and hate is coming from, I have been going to local matches for 12 years with my dad and I never got involved with the political side of things, tried to stay out of it all. This board has some good people and I can see that, but 70% of the "support" I see on here are very nasty, bigoted people. I want, and do believe in an all Ireland for the people of this island, but the people who killed the army man, did nothing for this cause, apart from let their own down and make us all look like animals. :'(
The real hero's of Ireland will make the peace we all deserve.
Remember Omagh.
Good luck to you all.
YOur first post...
QuoteSurfed on in from google when I was doing a search on beckham coming to the states.
And now...
QuoteA fellow supporter and friend told me about this forum, so I looked it up and came on to have a look, he did also tell me that some people on here can be a bit bigoted and I really have to wonder where all this anger and hate is coming from,
I think that anyone that reads your 10 posts (all in the non gaa section) knows not to take you too seriously.
Quote from: SammyG on June 20, 2007, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:04:35 PM
The point is that there is a perception here that you only find these comments depressing because this 'terrorist' was one of yours. That perception may be wrong but understandable given that you have never displayed a similar reaction when the death of IRA people have been discussed.
What deaths of IRA men have I discussed?
Is the perception wrong?
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:53:09 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 20, 2007, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:04:35 PM
The point is that there is a perception here that you only find these comments depressing because this 'terrorist' was one of yours. That perception may be wrong but understandable given that you have never displayed a similar reaction when the death of IRA people have been discussed.
What deaths of IRA men have I discussed?
Is the perception wrong?
What perception?
Quote from: SammyG on June 20, 2007, 06:59:39 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:53:09 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 20, 2007, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:04:35 PM
The point is that there is a perception here that you only find these comments depressing because this 'terrorist' was one of yours. That perception may be wrong but understandable given that you have never displayed a similar reaction when the death of IRA people have been discussed.
What deaths of IRA men have I discussed?
Is the perception wrong?
What perception?
The one referred to in the quoted post
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 20, 2007, 06:59:39 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:53:09 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 20, 2007, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 06:04:35 PM
The point is that there is a perception here that you only find these comments depressing because this 'terrorist' was one of yours. That perception may be wrong but understandable given that you have never displayed a similar reaction when the death of IRA people have been discussed.
What deaths of IRA men have I discussed?
Is the perception wrong?
What perception?
The one referred to in the quoted post
I'm not sure what point you're making, I haven't made any comments on Nairiac (one way or the other) my only comment was that I was depressed at the bloodlust of some of the posters.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 20, 2007, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 20, 2007, 01:38:04 PM
Was there any mention of his killing sprees into County Monaghan and his trophy photographs of his victims? Any mention of him arming unionist paramilitaries in mid Ulster while based in Mahon Rd barracks on Portadown?
Nope Donagh that he was a mighty "brave" man.
Personally I would replace the word "brave" with "stupid, cocky bast*rd" -
We reap what we sow!
I'm sure and many like you a very relieved, then, that internet warriors usually don't reap that much.
the whole programme was horrible and depressing on so many different levels, no one came out of it with any credit. it was like watching a horror show. surely those responsibile could have the decency at this stage to say where the mans body is so that his family can have that knowledge. if as was said it was put in a meat grinder (words fail me) than that should at least be said so his family will know...
Quote from: TommyGoodBoy on June 20, 2007, 06:34:50 PM
After reading this thread, I am no longer going to visit this forum, I just hope as a young Catholic man in Ireland, not everyone shares the voice of many on this thread and this forum, I hope I never meet any of you boys at a match, as I would walk the other way, a mans life was taken, by more than one man, in a field at night. I just cannot agree with most of the "support" on here and I have enjoyed reading about my team, but I think you are all letting the side down, as Ireland enters a new peace I only feel sorry for most of your own children and the mindset they must have. A fellow supporter and friend told me about this forum, so I looked it up and came on to have a look, he did also tell me that some people on here can be a bit bigoted and I really have to wonder where all this anger and hate is coming from, I have been going to local matches for 12 years with my dad and I never got involved with the political side of things, tried to stay out of it all. This board has some good people and I can see that, but 70% of the "support" I see on here are very nasty, bigoted people. I want, and do believe in an all Ireland for the people of this island, but the people who killed the army man, did nothing for this cause, apart from let their own down and make us all look like animals. :'(
The real hero's of Ireland will make the peace we all deserve.
Remember Omagh.
Good luck to you all.
Saying as you've never posted in the GAA section, i doubt you'll be meeting too many lads from this board at whatever matches it is you go to. i also wonder why you had to go out of your way in 3 of your last 4 posts to claim that you are a young catholic living in ireland?
As for the abduction, its well known that it occurred between 1 & 1.30am. They took him over the border and one lad was sent to dundalk to fetch townsend, who returned hardly fit to stand, well over an hour later.
Great Spotlight about the Holylands that time-even had a few posters make an appearance
They are zukes though
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on June 22, 2007, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: TommyGoodBoy on June 20, 2007, 06:34:50 PM
After reading this thread, I am no longer going to visit this forum, I just hope as a young Catholic man in Ireland, not everyone shares the voice of many on this thread and this forum, I hope I never meet any of you boys at a match, as I would walk the other way, a mans life was taken, by more than one man, in a field at night. I just cannot agree with most of the "support" on here and I have enjoyed reading about my team,
Tommy, a mans life was taken granted,but look at it this way, what do you think Nariac was doing in the south Aramgh pub that night???spying no doubt!!!what do you think would have happened after that night if he had left a republican south armagh pub without being noticed???Do you think for one second that he was not going to finger certain men who where in the pub that night for targeting by the armed forces. At the end of the day whether you like it or not, it was a war back and it was either Nariac or them that night and they chose Nariac.
You are highly naive but things have now changed but you have to respect what it was like back then..an eye for an eye they say....that is war unfortuately. As for that reporter the other night he is one cocky little c*nt trying to stir upshite inmy opoinion...no word of him disrupting the peace process by bringing this up now and chasing all the men involved that night.
An eye for an eye logic i quess! not great logic!