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Trump could finish the GOP

Where is the final on ?

Bleak House

FT in Hawkfield:@kildarehurling 2-20 @Offaly_GAA 2-22

The Trump don't seem to be enjoying power too much.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/21/media/sean-spicer-press-secretary-statement/dd

Bold media outlets were editing coverage of inauguration so that it seemed there wasn't as many people there as there was.  And they called the "Liberals" whiners.

Oh no. just saw that it was a CNN story.

Doubling down on conspiracy theorism from Day One.

If there's news out there they don't like, no matter how minor or petty or inconsequential, claim the media are falsifying it. Its been the modus operandi of the right when it comes to issues like science for years. Trump is just extending it across the board and counting on the carefully cultivated distrust of the "mainstream" media amongst their followers to support and validate it. Expect plenty more of this, especially when scandals and conflicts of interest are brought to light.

Trumpo is going to manipulate the news but he has generated huge expectations amongst working class people and will not change the system that is shafting them. So his honeymoon period will be quite short.

This is about the UK but it's also about Trump voters. Trump promised to address their anger and he won't. His cabinet is full of billionaires.


"The main problem of brexit is that it will fire the last remaining bullet, before the anger of the working class starts to turn inwards. Whatever happens after brexit, it will not solve most of the problems that convinced the white labour voters to support brexit (let's be honest - UKIP and Conservatives could not do it alone - it was the ex-labur working class voter class who pushed the brexit vote over the 50% margin).-The NHS will still be f'd up (and forget about those 350m GBP a week)-Zero-hour contracts are here to stay (they are exclusively UK's invention, nothing to do with EU) etc.However, the EU boogeyman will be gone. And all political excuses with it. So the next time the angry voters determine that they want changes, all their anger will be projected inwards. And God help UK politicians then."

Race memory me arse. 1-14 to 0-10 final score.

McEntee out!

1970s race memory perhaps

We're afraid we might wind up Syfín too much talking about his favourite Rhubarbs in his favourite Kiltoom.
We'll probably lose but not by enough to avoid the final.

Delicious with primrose custard
http://communitytable.parade.com/270811/darinaallen/make-irelands-famous-roscommon-rhubarb-pie/

I came across this recipe when I was doing research for my Irish Traditional Cookbook, a friend from Strokestown in Co. Roscommon told me how his mother remembered how her grandmother would strew the base of the bastible (a pot oven) with chopped rhubarb, sweeten it with a sprinkling of sugar and cover it with an enriched bread dough.  When the cake was fully baked in the pot over the open fire, it was turned out so that it landed upside down, with the sweet juice soaking into the soft golden crust.  It was served warm with soft brown sugar and lots of softly whipped cream.

He is already at war with the media

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/trump-inauguration-crowd-sean-spicers-claims-versus-the-evidence

I wonder how long before it goes tits up

Seafoid will agree with this
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882

Adams seems to have dug in re Brexit. Not before time.

I think that is on the ball. The core problem is the UK economy and the income distribution which has pauperised those living in the areas that voted for Brexit. The media will blame Europe but the reality is that the UK economy is banjaxed whatever happens

This from FT comments from 2014 :

"Wages for the vast majority of the population have fallen dramatically in the last 5 years, compounding a decline that started under Margaret Thatcher. This wage decline has occured at precisely the same time as incomes for the very wealthy have rocketed. The lie churned out by the very wealthy is that wealth trickles down into the real economy. It never has - it has trickled into the banking system and into normal peoples pockets in the form of cheap debt.The *real* problem is that a few wealthy people who are very adept at avoiding tax can never ever make up for 10s of millions of people earning decent wages and spending that on goods and services

it's because you are asking them to solve an equation which is unsolvable, no matter if you are Einstein. Start point of massive national debt + further spending demands of the electorate + globalisation taking "Joe Public" jobs away from UK + decline in UK of heavy industry + ageing population (pensions/NHS impact & demand) + five year election cycle does not = solvable solution for government finances. 

dant
@notasocialist Actually the source of this whole mess goes much deeper than party politics.  Deregulation of the financial sector (started by Thatcher in the late 1980s) has allowed the majority of our economy to become dependent on commercial bank credit.  This deliberate debt bubble creation has left us with an utter inability to pay down our debts en-mass.  As soon as any meaningful attempt is made, the economy contracts due to a shrinking of the money supply.
This debt based economic policy has continued through successive Labour, Tory and coalition governments.  Now the mathematical limits of ever-increasing debt have been reached, but none of the major parties have anything approaching an effective remedy for our economic ills.

RiskAdjustedReturn Unfortunately, all that new "money" has compound interest payable on it and in 2008 we saw what happens when debt levels overwhelm the system.  Post the 2008 Minsky Moment, all we have tried to do is restart the commercial bank money printing... but unfortunately people are tapped out.  QE eased credit supply restrictions, slashing rates made bigger mortgages more attractive, "help to buy" tried to bring more suckers into the ponzi scheme but unfortunately we can't get away from the economic reality of the fact that the system can't support higher overall debt.  Witness Osbourne's desperate attempt to fuel further mortgage lending by slashing stamp duty - that is really going to help with the tax receipts shortfall!
We are trapped between a rock and a hard place.  The only way we can have continued growth is through further credit expansion... but this will necessitate a return to sub-prime lending and we all know where that takes us.

lordmair The voters demand no cuts to pensions or the NHS (older people, who get sick more, are much more likely to vote), welfare cuts are tough to achieve in any material context, and tax rises are unpopular (other than as they pertain to eg "Russian Oligarchs" or the "super rich", and good luck taxing either of them - 1. there simply aren't enough of them;  2.  they will just go away; and/or  3. you kill the goose that is laying the eggs).
And at the same time the populous buys its manufactured products from overseas, wants to close down the evil financial services sector and wants standards of working conditions way above those in eg Asia.  The public sector is a huge employer and the private sector can't generate high value jobs b/c of all the above. 


From the position the UK starts in, with £1.5trn national debt, it just isn't possible to make the sums add up.  But that can't be told to the voters - there has to be a "long term economic plan" (even if it is mumbo jumbo), or say "next to nothing" and focus on sth more politically vote generative.

Is it that easy?
It is the case that this government is hell bent on ramping private debt again to boost GDP, as opposed to public debt (though I think it will continue to be both as there are no restraints).
However, it has been proven that there are no distinctions between private and public debt in  our monetary system - if private is extreme, it becomes public.Either way, the UK is stuffed, its just pretending and shuffling and redistributing."

And here is a more recent one

"The main problem of brexit is that it will fire the last remaining bullet, before the anger of the working class starts to turn inwards. Whatever happens after brexit, it will not solve most of the problems that convinced the white labour voters to support brexit (let's be honest - UKIP and Conservatives could not do it alone - it was the ex-labur working class voter class who pushed the brexit vote over the 50% margin).-The NHS will still be f'd up (and forget about those 350m GBP a week)-The EU rules will still apply for goods exported to EU, single market or not. So Brussels' bureaucracy will still determine the curvature of cucumbers that UK will try to export into EU.-Brexit will have NO effect whatsoever on Muslim immigration (whadya think, pakistan is the part of EU??!?)-Zero-hour contracts are here to stay (they are exclusively UK's invention, nothing to do with EU) etc.However, the EU boogeyman will be gone. And all political excuses with it. So the next time the angry voters determine that they want changes, all their anger will be projected inwards. And God help UK politicians then."

Hugely challenging for unionists BTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY

Huge game for Syf. I presume he will be watching it in occupied Ballaghaderreen.

Make Monaghan great again. Build a wall to keep out apple munchers.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/02/09/what-trump-is-throwing-out-the-window/

"Make America Great Again" suggests a highly engaged superpower with the clout and the will to dictate events. We'll "take their oil," build a wall and force Mexico to pay for it, and "take out" terrorists' families regardless of international law. We'll force China to accept changed terms of trade, and if that causes a trade war, "who the hell cares." We should "greatly expand" our nuclear forces and welcome the resulting arms race because "we will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all."
Some of this is surely posturing: shaking things up and trying to unsettle international opponents. Some is the result of ignorance that may be modified in office. Some is Trump's well-established practice of beginning negotiations by taking something that has already been agreed to off the table and demanding a concession to put it back. This may occasionally work, but by and large what works in real estate deals is not transferrable to international negotiations. The One China policy he has questioned, for example, as Trump will discover if he tries to challenge it once in office, is simply not a bargaining chip for China. As Ambassador Nicholas Platt, a prominent China expert, put it, "One China is not a bargaining chip, it's the table."

Obviously Trump should be held to account by the media, and he seems close to crazy, but would the media not be as well looking at the factors that led to Trump getting elected. Reasons, solutions etc ?

He was elected because of stagnant wages and inequality and because people were ignored for so long. But he won't address the system either. Because he is full of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp6DJAMlWgY

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/02/09/what-trump-is-throwing-out-the-window/

Liverpool have to beat Chelsea now

In this thread I am afraid there is a lot of revisionism about what the IRA did in the North.  It certainly was a cold place for catholics, GAA supporters and anyone who expressed an Irish identity.  But the idea that the IRA were some great saviours is nonsense.   They killed a lot of those that they purported to be fighting for.  Bombed the crap out of Derry and many other places.  Undertook many actions that were cruel,cowardly and brutal.  Someone said that the GFA wouldn't have happened without them.  Neither you nor I know that, but if you want to say that the IRA gained the GFA I would have to question if the GFA was worth all the deaths they caused.  Certainly the Irish community have most rights that we are entitled to, but we don't know if that would not have happened anyway.  Non-whites in England and USA have gained a fair deal of equality without going through what we did.

Martin Mc Guinness has been a powerful and necessary leader in recent years and has stretched himself for reconciliation.  He deserves recognition for that.

England is more tolerant than  settler colonial outfits in which one group is dominant and wants to hang on to that dominance by denying rights to other groups.There are 5 million people in prison in the US and the % imprisoned is highest in the black community. The US has a looming crisis over the rise in the Latino population and how whites feel about that.   NI would be more comparable to the US and Israel/Palestine .

NI is special because of its history as a colony
http://virtualmethodist.blogspot.ch/2009/09/coasters.html