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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 12, 2021, 05:29:44 PM »
An injury time winning goal for T***yreagh to keep them up.
Owen Roes 2-10 T***yreagh 2-12

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 10, 2021, 06:22:24 PM »
I see the Errigal vs. Carrickmore league game for Sunday is now postponed. Anyone know why?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 10, 2021, 04:09:24 PM »
Glen have a thirds team

Thanks for the info, the Derry website isn't great for finding much for fixtures & results except for recent & upcoming games.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 10, 2021, 03:00:04 PM »
Problem is that the clubs aren't happy with no matter what is put forward and there is no alternative given apart from play away without county players.

Too many clubs in Tyrone. This is why we are unsuccessful in Senior Ulster, whole thing is diluted down.
No club should have a thirds team, that's up to the parent club to manage and keep players happy. If some aren't happy with lack of game time then should play for a neighbouring club that don't have as many numbers.


Complaining that there are too many clubs in Tyrone, yet also state that no club should have a thirds team makes no sense especially in that all 47 football clubs in the county can usually field two adult teams - some might struggle to field at reserve level occasionally but that's arguably that's more to do the system in place that distinct lack of available players in general (mileage may vary between certain clubs). Telling players that if they aren't happy with a lack of game time they should go to a neighbouring club itself squeezes out players in the club that they transfer to, not to mention that in most cases its not exactly easy to transfer to another club when you don't live in its catchment area/parish!

Also, Kilcoo & Derrygonnelly have three adult teams in their respective counties and it doesn't seem to do them too much harm (not sure about Glen & Clann Éireann), as do Scotstown & St.Eunan's Letterkenny. A red herring.

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General discussion / Re: The fall of Barcelona
« on: December 08, 2021, 10:59:53 PM »
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Five-time European champions Barcelona lost to Bayern Munich to miss out on the knockout stages of the Champions League for the first time in 17 years.

Barca have not been absent from the last 16 since 2003-04, when they did not qualify for the competition at all.

This exit continues a miserable campaign for the Spanish giants after financial issues forced them to let club legend Lionel Messi leave on a free transfer and then join Paris St-Germain in the summer.

Barca needed to match Benfica's result to advance, but the Portuguese side won 2-0 at home to Dynamo Kyiv, leaving Xavi's men third and facing a Europa League knockout round play-off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59587194

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
« on: December 08, 2021, 10:53:06 PM »
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2021/12/details-of-ulster-club-football-semi-finals-fixtures-confirmed/

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly Sat 18th @ 6.30pm in Breffni

Glen v Kilcoo, Sunday 19th @ 4pm in Athletic Grounds

Two TV matches I'd imagine with that scheduling.

That’s some journey for Clann Eireann to travel. Both under floodlights and should be 2 fairly evenly matched games.

It's possible the Derrygonnelly/Clann Éireann game will be shown on RTÉ2 given the throw-in time. If that's the case, then floodlights are needed and Clones isn't an option while Healy Park might have been another option but it isn't available ATM.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 08, 2021, 10:09:13 PM »
There's likely some merit in the idea that to be successful beyond your own county championship, you need to be somewhat dominating your own county championship. When you look at the list of Ulster & All-Ireland senior club winners over the years, more often than not the winning clubs have multiple recent county titles in the bag though exceptions exist (Errigal Ciaran in 1993 being our own notable one) - in this sense, you're more conditioned to look beyond your own county championship in determining what you'd regard as a successful season/year/campaign, add to that the experience you get from playing competitive games beyond your bread & butter rivals in your home county that you meet near enough year in year out.

When you look at the record of Tyrone SFC winners right from the start, there's one thing you'll notice - no club has ever won more than three consecutive county titles in a row, and the last time it happened was over 40 years ago - During much of the 90's and early 00's the title tended to keep flip-flopping between Carrickmore & Errigal Ciaran (with notable single wins to Ardboe & Killyclogher), but since 2006 is became the proverbial hot potato, no team can be particularly confident that they'll "be back in Ulster next year that bit wiser". How all of this reflects on Tyrone club football in general is in the eye of the beholder.

The Ulster club SFC is also the only provincial club competition where clubs & players can return regularly to compete in it where this "experience" gets built up. If you look at all the other club football championships and tournaments in Ulster (off the top of my head - Intermediate, Junior, U21, Minor & the U16 Paul McGirr tournament), Tyrone representatives have decent enough records in them. The one thing that links all of these is that they exist in a state of strong annual variation - the IFC & JFC champs will compete in a higher tier the following season and thus will never appear in the same competition two seasons running, while the underage tournaments will always have differing teams & squads each year with few players playing at the same age level for more than 3 years. On that basis alone, that would suggest to me that the overall standard of club Tyrone is healthy & decent, however because of its poor record at Senior level it can't make a credible claim to be the gold standard of Ulster and it won't be able to until Tyrone clubs actually go on to win it.

Finally, county team strength =/= club team strength. A fair few notable teams that have had provincial or All-Ireland success over the years have been from what would often be regarded as less fashionable counties as well as also from counties whose county team fortunes have been on a notable lull. Corofin have been dominating recently at All-Ireland level while the Galway county football team have been well away from any contention in winning Sam Maguire. Mullinalaghta from Longford won the 2018 Leinster club SFC title, Éire Óg from Carlow dominated the same competition in the 90's etc. Meanwhile at the same level in hurling the Antrim county teams aren't able to strike much fear among the major hurling counties yet are able to well compete with them at club level e.g. Loughgiel winning the All-Ireland in 2012. On the flip side, despite being the self-proclaimed "home of hurling", Tipperary clubs have only won the All-Ireland club SHC three times, the last time being 1987 and until Borris-Ileigh reached the 2020 final, they hadn't reached an All-Ireland final since 1994.

That's enough to speak of from me tonite...

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 07, 2021, 04:19:34 PM »
I think Donaghmore proposed seeding the 1st round of the SFC draw based on league position a few years ago, but it was defeated. TBH I'm not sure it would do that much to keep teams going with nothing else to play for.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
« on: December 04, 2021, 07:14:27 PM »
We’ve this conversation every year (bar last, which was Tyrones best performance in Ulster, due to it not being on)

You need experience of the Ulster club to generally progress, Tyrone by virtue of different winners won’t get that.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30078982.html

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: December 04, 2021, 05:45:14 PM »
Poor reflection on our club game when we lose out to Fermanagh champions. Dromore will enjoy themselves and reflect on a good year but it’s failure for Tyrone once again in the Ulster Club.
No doubt about it that you know very little about Derrygonnelly. Should have been in the final a few years ago and have about 8 players that have played for fermanagh thas last few years. Game coukd have went either way and plenty of people had it 50/50 before it started. It's winter football now and that suits them

Derrygonnelly are very much the kingpins of Fermanagh club football ATM even if two of their own club championship games went to a replay, they've got a bit more strength in depth (in Fermanagh at least), are able to dig out results when they need to and are able to hang on in games when they're not playing well and that's the mark of a team that deserves respect - they're arguably the best team to come out of Fermanagh to play in the Ulster club SFC since Enniskillen in the late 90's/early 00's. Didn't see the game at Carrickmore today, so can't really comment on it except that it sounds like Derrygonnelly were deserving winners on the day.

Elsewhere I see Carrickmore won the Division 1 league last night at Garvaghy with a win against Clonoe, while in Division 2 Beragh defeated Owen Roes which makes them safe from any relegation worries in the last round of games.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
« on: December 04, 2021, 04:59:38 PM »
Delighted for Derrygonnelly.  Funny how a poster on the Tyrone thread thought that Dromore would ‘wipe the floor’ with them lol

As I said earlier on in this thread, Dromore being 4/1 to win the provincial championship were ridiculously short odds especially since their neighbours failed to put Derrygonnelly to the sword themselves in the first round in 2019. Yesterday Dromore were 4/11 to beat Derrygonnelly with Paddy Power, with Derrygonnelly 11/4 - if I was a betting man I'd have been seriously tempted to put a few quid on Derrygonnelly with those odds, and I'd be friendly enough with a lot of Dromore people, including some in their team.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
« on: December 04, 2021, 04:21:11 PM »
Excellent win for Derrygonnelly but it shouldn't really be that big of a surprise either.

Any notions of a strong Tyrone club championship should be put to bed now. Just a lot of mediocre clubs playing at or around the same level. Year after year they fail to make an impression in Ulster.

Don't think many have said that the Tyrone SFC championship is a "strong" one, just a very competitive one which it is, akin to the Ulster Intercounty football championship of much of the 70's, 80's and 90's. Unfortunately Dromore's poor record in this competition continued today, and by extension near enough any Tyrone club that has participated bar Errigal Ciaran. With Cookstown also having fell at the first hurdle, it's now up to Moortown in the Ulster club IFC tomorrow against Erne Gaels to keep Tyrone interest in these competitions going - and given Erne Gael's form in club football in Fermanagh this year, they'll be formidable opposition to Moortown.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 29, 2021, 07:21:56 PM »
What happens if there is a 3 way tie at top of the league
Carmen
Errigal
Trillick

https://tyronegaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021TyroneCCCRegulations.pdf (Part 29)

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When teams finish with equal points for qualification for the concluding staged, or for promotion or relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

i) The outcome of the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s) in the competition
ii) The largest scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from the total scores for) in the meetings of the teams in the previous game(s)
iii) The highest total scores for, in the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s)
iv) Largest overall league scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from total scores for)
v) The highest overall league total score for
vi) A playoff

Exceptions:

a) In relation to means outlined in (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by playoff.
b) Regulations (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) shall not apply to Under16 or younger age grade competitions

Going by i) - from league results Trillick drew with Carrickmore, Trillck beat Errigal and for a three way tie to occur, Errigal would have to beat Carrickmore. That means from the total league pts earned from those three games, Trillick would have 3pts, Errigal Ciaran would be on 2pts and Carrickmore would be one 1pt, thus Trillick would be deemed the league winners. This is based on the format that I think was used to decide the winner of Group 2 of Division 1 last year which ended up itself being a three way tie between Galbally, Coalisland and Dromore where Dromore progressed. I'm willing to stand being corrected on it, though. Hard to see it all happening however, Carrickmore just need at least a draw from their final two games to win the Division 1 league.

Just to add...

So technically Edendork are already disqualified

Edendork have not yet "not fielded" for two consecutive games this season, and should they not field at Galbally this Sunday they are only "liable" to being disqualified - this rule has been in place for many years now and although at least a couple of clubs in the last few years near the end of the league season have failed to field for two games in a row leaving them liable to being DQ'd (Clonoe and Omagh both spring to mind), the Tyrone CCC has never implemented that sanction to the best of my knowledge. Of course, as already mentioned, disqualifying Edendork at this stage for failing to field in two consecutive league games is fairly pointless in the scheme of things.

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GAA Discussion / Things I leaned today (Gaelic Games Edition)...
« on: November 29, 2021, 03:47:57 PM »

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 28, 2021, 04:57:23 PM »
Dgn beat the island. What way does that leave things for the island ?

If I've worked it out right, a win against Eglish will see them safe from relegation, a draw against Eglish will also leave them safe if Derrylaughan fail to beat Pomeroy. A loss to Eglish but also a Derrylaughan loss to Pomeroy will also leave Coalisland safe as they have the head to head win. However if Derrylaughan beat Pomeroy and Coalisland fail to beat Eglish, then it comes down to the last round of fixtures for Coalisland - in all a win in one of their last two league games will leave them safe.

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