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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 29, 2021, 07:21:56 PM »
What happens if there is a 3 way tie at top of the league
Trillick (Part 29)

When teams finish with equal points for qualification for the concluding staged, or for promotion or relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

i) The outcome of the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s) in the competition
ii) The largest scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from the total scores for) in the meetings of the teams in the previous game(s)
iii) The highest total scores for, in the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s)
iv) Largest overall league scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from total scores for)
v) The highest overall league total score for
vi) A playoff


a) In relation to means outlined in (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by playoff.
b) Regulations (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) shall not apply to Under16 or younger age grade competitions

Going by i) - from league results Trillick drew with Carrickmore, Trillck beat Errigal and for a three way tie to occur, Errigal would have to beat Carrickmore. That means from the total league pts earned from those three games, Trillick would have 3pts, Errigal Ciaran would be on 2pts and Carrickmore would be one 1pt, thus Trillick would be deemed the league winners. This is based on the format that I think was used to decide the winner of Group 2 of Division 1 last year which ended up itself being a three way tie between Galbally, Coalisland and Dromore where Dromore progressed. I'm willing to stand being corrected on it, though. Hard to see it all happening however, Carrickmore just need at least a draw from their final two games to win the Division 1 league.

Just to add...

So technically Edendork are already disqualified

Edendork have not yet "not fielded" for two consecutive games this season, and should they not field at Galbally this Sunday they are only "liable" to being disqualified - this rule has been in place for many years now and although at least a couple of clubs in the last few years near the end of the league season have failed to field for two games in a row leaving them liable to being DQ'd (Clonoe and Omagh both spring to mind), the Tyrone CCC has never implemented that sanction to the best of my knowledge. Of course, as already mentioned, disqualifying Edendork at this stage for failing to field in two consecutive league games is fairly pointless in the scheme of things.

GAA Discussion / Things I leaned today (Gaelic Games Edition)...
« on: November 29, 2021, 03:47:57 PM »

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 28, 2021, 04:57:23 PM »
Dgn beat the island. What way does that leave things for the island ?

If I've worked it out right, a win against Eglish will see them safe from relegation, a draw against Eglish will also leave them safe if Derrylaughan fail to beat Pomeroy. A loss to Eglish but also a Derrylaughan loss to Pomeroy will also leave Coalisland safe as they have the head to head win. However if Derrylaughan beat Pomeroy and Coalisland fail to beat Eglish, then it comes down to the last round of fixtures for Coalisland - in all a win in one of their last two league games will leave them safe.

General discussion / Re: Getting TV3 or RTE on freeview in North?
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:52:05 PM »
Sky News is launching on Saorview this Tuesday coming...

...those with Saorview/DVB-T(2) receivers that are set to Ireland as their country (i.e. Channel 1 is RTÉ1), the channel number on the remote is 23 - for Nordies or those with Freeview that are set by default to the UK (channel 1 is BBC1 NI) that can't receive Sky News already on channel number 233 but can receive the Virgin Media channels, it'll likely appear somewhere in the 800's - it's replacing the Saorview preview/barker channel.

General discussion / Re: Garth Brooks and Croke Park : Boss to intervene?
« on: November 26, 2021, 03:15:52 PM »
The thought of the big fat ghoul blurbing out "I've got friends in low places" and sung along by lord knows how many thousands of Tir Eoooiinn voices, I think if I was a local resident I'd burn Croke Park down..

I think it's only fair to point out that not all Tyronies believe that Brooks is/was the second coming.

General discussion / Re: The Pimp Your Photography Thread
« on: November 17, 2021, 09:27:41 PM »
I have a 14year old who has an interest in photography (well as interested as you can be at 14).
I was thinking of getting him a camera of some description for christmas, but I haven't the first clue about what makes a decent camera and what makes a rubbish camera.
Can anyone give any recommendations? Something under £100 that's not pure rubbish?
Or am I aiming to high with that budget?


Not a camera expert, but I'll divulge what I know...

For under £100, you're limited to "point-and-shoot" or "compact" cameras, where apart from the possibility of optical zoom being available, will be little to no better than a half decent camera on a mobile phone - indeed when the camera started becoming ubiquitous on mobile phones in the mid-2000's it pretty much decimated the compact camera market. If you're still interested, then make sure any zoom feature is an optical zoom, digital zoom is almost as good as useless.

If you're prepared to raise the spending limit a bit more, you'll enter the budget territory of "bridge" cameras, these operate somewhat halfway between a compact camera and a more professional "SLR" or mirrorless with interchangeable lenses. Bridge cameras have a fixed lens on them but they are these days quite versatile and aren't the worst starting point for someone looking to get into photography and learning the things needed to get good shots in different conditions beyond having everything handled automatically by the camera. JoG2 mentioned the Kodak PixPro AZ421, it's available in Argos and while I've no knowledge of what the camera's like (other that Kodak these days is no longer the same beast it was even just 10 years ago) the reviews at Argos and elsewhere on the net suggests that it is a decent bridge camera for the money though it does lack a "proper" viewfinder - you may or may not care about this.

At the more serious end of photography you're looking at what is traditionally the "SLR" (single reflex lens) or Digital SLR end of cameras. SLRs have been starting to fall out of favour over the last few years to "MILC" or "mirrorless" cameras that are a bit smaller and lighter compared to SLRs (Canon and Nikon are the only manufacturers still making/releasing digital SLRs AFAIK). Here, the camera body and the lenses are separate purchases, and nearly everyone involved will tell you that the lens is more important than the camera and this is mostly true - differences in the camera body come down to things like the size & sensitivity of the sensor, its processing power (often related to the amount of shots per second or the resolution & frame rate of the video you can take) etc. but they won't work well without a decent lens. Most such cameras (except the very expensive professional end that are sold well into 4 figures) are sold with an option to include a "kit lens"  but different lenses for different scenarios are there to be bought. If you're starting out, the second hand market can be very good for used bargains, provided you know what you're looking for. Also best to talk or read the opinions of those with good knowledge of the market.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
« on: November 16, 2021, 01:37:50 PM »
Outright winner odds from paddy power

Glen 2/1
Kilcoo 11/4
Dromore 4/1
Scotstown 5/1
Clann Eireann 12/1
St Eunans 18/1
Derrygonnelly 20/1
Creggan 20/1
Ramor United 25/1

Glen short enough odds, thought kilcoo would've been favourites just on experience alone.

Short enough odds for Dromore as well, given the general performance of Tyrone clubs (bar Errigal Ciaran) and Dromore themselves in this tournament in the past. I suspect it's similar to the case of Tyrone often for a long time now getting short starting odds for the All-Ireland SFC even when it was hard to generally justify.

General discussion / Re: The Pimp Your Photography Thread
« on: November 15, 2021, 07:05:42 PM »
The belly duel is superb!
One of them was in the Tyrone Masters team that beat Dublin a week ago!

GAA Discussion / Admission costs to club games
« on: November 15, 2021, 07:02:14 PM »
There's a bit of debate in the Tyrone club thread concerning the cost of admittance to the county SFC final yesterday (Sunday) - the charge was £15 for adults and £3 for children, which is the most expensive admission fee I can recall for a club championship final in Tyrone. At the current exchange rate, £15 is just a shade under €18 so I'm curious to know what other counties charge in for their flagship club football or hurling finals? Are we being fleeced in Tyrone or is it a fair comparison to many other counties across Ireland?

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 14, 2021, 09:08:38 PM »
Dromore full value for their win on the night. Coalisland pretty much kept Dromore in it for most of the first half, should have been leading well ahead at half-time but instead went in level at the break. Dromore a far more determined & cohesive team in the second half and while Coalisland had form this year of getting late smash & grabs at the death, that wasn't looking likely tonight and it never came close to happening though McGale made a decent save near the end.

The question for Dromore now will be wherever they can make a decent go at it in Ulster, their prior provincial record isn't good but I'd imagine McCullagh & the squad will be in attendance in Enniskillen next Sunday to look at their opponents. As for Coalisland, it all now flips into a relegation battle for them with four rounds remaining with the tie vs. Eglish likely the big one for them and they at least have a head-to-head win over Derrylaughan - they'll probably survive but it is a bit close for comfort.

General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: November 14, 2021, 04:01:32 PM »
It's a ludicrous rule but teams will exploit it to the maximum whilst it still exists. Players with absolutely no genealogical link to the country, just simply living and getting paid to play professionally there. It's an issue for rugby itself to solve but I don't see it changing anytime soon since there are so few countries who play the game at the highest level.

Imagine the outcry if the GAA brought in such a rule at intercounty level.   

Already the case - if your permanent residence is now outside your "First County" then provided you're now a member of a club in your "Own County" (i.e. the one you now reside in) then you can transfer to that county for as long as you're resident in it - though you can stay with your "First County" if you prefer while transferring at club level.

The GAA Official Guide, Part 1 Chapter 6 (Page 72 in the 2021 edition) covers this.

General discussion / Re: The Pimp Your Photography Thread
« on: November 14, 2021, 03:38:45 PM »
Bought myself a new camera earlier this year, mostly take action shots but do take a few stills as well. These are some of my favourites I've taken so far, they're not perfect but I do like them.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 14, 2021, 02:07:19 PM »
The charge of £15 admittance for one game is a bit steep all right - it would have been more justifiable had it been a double header with the IFC final, as I doubt there would have been too many making the effort to attend both last night's game and today's. As for the streaming, it's perfectly justifiable to charge the same or slightly more than gate admittance (to cover additional setup overheads) especially as you can watch warmly at home alongside family/friends for no additional cost, not have to also consider travel expenses etc. So while £16 on its own is steep enough, in comparison to the actual ticket price it's OK IMO.

Ultimately the senior county final day in Tyrone is I'd assume like that in every other county, among the biggest revenue generator days for the respective county board to help fund things that you'd come to expect from a GAA county board. If the rumours/reports have some truth in them that the relevant compensation from RTÉ & TG4 for showing games is only a fraction of what the Tyrone CB would otherwise get from streaming said games on their platform, then I can't blame them for deciding to take the direction they have. Not saying that it's completely right or wrong, but that it is understandable.

General discussion / Re: Getting TV3 or RTE on freeview in North?
« on: November 14, 2021, 01:52:22 PM »
I think I've gone over this before, but I'll do it again if I haven't...

* RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 (in standard definition) are broadcast from several transmitter sites across the north, known as the RNI_1 multiplex. If you can pick up an RNI_1 signal, your TV or set-top box needs to be a "Freeview HD" badged receiver - if it isn't badged as such, check to see that it has a DVB-T2 tuner (a DVB-T tuner will not do) - ask whoever is selling you the device if it has a DVB-T2 tuner or is "Freeview HD" badged, and if they can't answer that for you go somewhere else. Tuning them in, TG4 is on the EPG at channel 52, RTÉ1 on 53 and RTÉ2 on 54.

* The best way to get the southern channels via terrestrial reception is from a transmitter in the Republic - however, transmitter frequency changes last year may have made some aerial setups redundant and require either a small equipment change at the aerials (involving a new diplexer/combiner) to a new overall aerial setup. If you're lucky enough that the frequency change didn't affect your reception, then you can pick up RTÉ1 & RTÉ2 in HD alongside additional RTÉ channels, TG4 and the three Virgin Media Channels (all in SD). Ideally a "Freeview HD" badged receiver should be used to watch these services, though some ordinary "Freeview" badged receivers can also view them. When tuning them in, the channels on the EPG should appear in the 800 range, depending on your receiver you may be able to change this. If you can receiver the channels in the 800s range but get audio only & no picture, then your receiver isn't compatible.

* RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 are also available to Sky and Virgin Media subscribers in NI.

* As a final option, there is Saorsat satellite service which carries the same TV lineup as the Saorview platform minus the Virgin Media channels. Reception for this requires a different dish from that used for Sky, as well as a special LNB (the bit that is attached to the end of the arm at the bottom of the dish that the cable(s) are connected to.

* The only platform that northern viewers can be certain that they will not get programming blackouts is Saorview - the RNI_1 and Sky services have programming that are subject to blackouts, while Saorsat has had a few programming blackouts in the past (mostly related to European soccer) but not on the same scale. Don't have Virgin Media, so can't comment on how often blackouts affect it. Blackouts normally affect programming on RTÉ1 & RTE2, it's very rare to see any blackouts on TG4 (haven't noticed any in years myself).

* Why these blackouts? It's due to programme rights holders enforcing territorial limits on broadcasters - with subscription services like Sky & Virgin that are addressed per subscriber, as well as all the RNI_1 multiplex transmitters being based in NI, any programming that RTÉ only has rights to show in the Republic of Ireland are liable to blackout to northern viewers - however as all Saorview transmitters are based in the Republic, these are regarded as domestic or home broadcasts where "overspill" into NI is largely regarded as incidental, so don't be blacked out, otherwise viewers in the Republic would also be affected.

* Finally, receivers - as mentioned above, if you're in NI then any "Freeview HD" officially badged receiver should be enough provided you can receive a signal with your terrestrial aerial setup - pretty much any TV from 32 inches up these days (except maybe some dirt-cheap supermarket brands) will be "Freeview HD" certified, as will most smaller screen tellys. But always check. Also it should go without saying, but any "Saorview" branded receiver should do the trick too.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 07, 2021, 07:06:08 PM »
Two late goals seal the JFC Championship for Cookstown against Eskra, 2-10 to 1-6. 🏆

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