Climate change fires in Greece, Italy, Canada, Spain etc

Started by seafoid, August 21, 2023, 07:33:03 AM

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seafoid

Reports in Tenerife that at least 3 fires are  expected to have been started deliberately. #jaysus
Would these fires be likely to change your holiday choices going forward?

AustinPowers

If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Last Man

Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

seafoid

A friend of mine has relatives in Sicily. He said the wind had brought the fire close to the  Airport in Catania. Why would anyone  bother  going to the Med in future ?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2023, 10:28:24 AM
A friend of mine has relatives in Sicily. He said the wind had brought the fire close to the  Airport in Catania. Why would anyone  bother  going to the Med in future ?

Have you been in Ireland over the 'summer'
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Ed Ricketts

Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.

Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires

Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
Doc would listen to any kind of nonsense and change it for you to a kind of wisdom.

Itchy

Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.

Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires

Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.

See I think this is complete bullshit. I believe there is man made climate change by the way. However, assigning blame for forest fires to climate change does nothing only weaken the argument. For example if we had in the south of Portugal 3 weeks of 25-30 degree heat or 3 weeks of 40 Degree plus heat, do you think that fires are more likely in 40 Degree scenario. I don't think so, the place is bone dry either way and a misplace cigarette butt or an intentional arson attack in both scenarios will have the same result, widespread destructive fire. This is being hyped up to sell newspapers and adverts and has nothing to do with climate change or awareness of climate change sadly.

Taylor

Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.

Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires

Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.

Surely the root of it all is the people deliberately starting the fires?

Eamonnca1



New Data Confirms: Forest Fires Are Getting Worse

New data on forest fires confirms what we've long feared: Forest fires are becoming more widespread, burning nearly twice as much tree cover today as they did 20 years ago.

Using data from a new study by researchers at the University of Maryland, we calculated that forest fires now result in 3 million more hectares of tree cover loss per year compared to 2001 — an area roughly the size of Belgium — and accounted for more than a quarter of all tree cover loss over the past 20 years.

Full article.


Eamonnca1

Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

Eamonnca1

Number of wildfires to rise by 50% by 2100 and governments are not prepared, experts warn

Climate change and land-use change are projected to make wildfires more frequent and intense, with a global increase of extreme fires of up to 14 per cent by 2030, 30 per cent by the end of 2050 and 50 per cent by the end of the century, according to a new report by the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) and GRID-Arendal.

The paper calls for a radical change in government spending on wildfires, shifting their investments from reaction and response to prevention and preparedness.

Full article.

Itchy

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?

Olly

Humans will adapt to climate change. Those in wet areas will acquire fins over time or scales and then those in the warm areas will get wet skins naturally from birth. It has always been that way. Years ago we got an appendix to ward off eating celery and greens etc.
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Eamonnca1

Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?

So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Taylor on August 21, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.

Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires

Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.

Surely the root of it all is the people deliberately starting the fires?

If you deliberately start a fire where it's cool and it rained last night then you're less likely to trigger a wildfire.

If you deliberately start a fire where it's hot and it hasn't rained for months then you're more likely to trigger a wildfire.

The cooler and wetter it is, the fewer wildfires you're going to see.

The hotter and drier it is, the more wildfires you're going to see.