Glenswilly stuffed St Eunan's 0-3 to 0-2 yesterday in the Donegal league. Only one point scored in the second half. Has there ever been a lower scoring match?
Quote from: BennyCake on July 25, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Glenswilly stuffed St Eunan's 0-3 to 0-2 yesterday in the Donegal league. Only one point scored in the second half. Has there ever been a lower scoring match?
Yes. In my Ma and Da's garden between me and my mates when we were seven! That is atrocious. Soccer level of boring, probably.
4 points in the first 30 and a solitary point in the second 30. I'd say the man on the gate made a hasty exit with the tin!
It was inevitable we where going to arrive at this point eventualy, pure dung
Tho....1893 AI final finished Wexford 1-1 Cork 0-1
Been a few 0-4 to 0-3 finals as well, including a "classic final" ::)
Quote from: JoG2 on July 25, 2016, 06:57:24 PM
4 points in the first 30 and a solitary point in the second 30. I'd say the man on the gate made a hasty exit with the tin!
An auld Quality Street one I bet ;D
Quote from: ned on July 25, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 25, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Glenswilly stuffed St Eunan's 0-3 to 0-2 yesterday in the Donegal league. Only one point scored in the second half. Has there ever been a lower scoring match?
Yes. In my Ma and Da's garden between me and my mates when we were seven! That is atrocious. Soccer level of boring, probably.
3-2 would be a decent soccer match in fairness.
Dunno why someone always has to compare soccer to GAA though.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 25, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
It was inevitable we where going to arrive at this point eventualy, pure dung
Tho....1893 AI final finished Wexford 1-1 Cork 0-1
Been a few 0-4 to 0-3 finals as well, including a "classic final" ::)
Yes but these men had cycled to Croke Park that morning....
...after milking 50 cows each before they left....
....& the ball was made out of mammoth hide and weighed 5 stone when wet.....
...and they all cycled back home in time for evening mass.
If the referee had a week to spare he would probably have played for the draw!
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 25, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
It was inevitable we where going to arrive at this point eventualy, pure dung
Tho....1893 AI final finished Wexford 1-1 Cork 0-1
Been a few 0-4 to 0-3 finals as well, including a "classic final" ::)
Cross beat Ballinderry 0-5 to 0-3 in ulster final once. But that was in horrendous conditions.
There must have been a fierce gale blowing off the Atlantic yesterday!
Quote from: muppet on July 25, 2016, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 25, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
It was inevitable we where going to arrive at this point eventualy, pure dung
Tho....1893 AI final finished Wexford 1-1 Cork 0-1
Been a few 0-4 to 0-3 finals as well, including a "classic final" ::)
Yes but these men had cycled to Croke Park that morning....
...after milking 50 cows each before they left....
....& the ball was made out of mammoth hide and weighed 5 stone when wet.....
...and they all cycled back home in time for evening mass.
And off to a dance afterwards. Then up the next morning to turn the hay and foot the turf.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 25, 2016, 07:03:59 PM
Cross beat Ballinderry 0-5 to 0-3 in ulster final once. But that was in horrendous conditions.
Quote from: AFS on November 25, 2009, 12:26:21 AM
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Remember it well. A large crowd gathered at the back of Casement stand* to get out of the rain/wind/hail. Was something like 0-05 0-03.
*We need a name for the stand (Is there one?). I propose The Roddy McCorley Aircraft Hanger Stand.
0-05 0-03 alright, John Donaldson type of day. Had to swim across a large moat to get onto the pitch afterwards.
That was a class day.
It was a shocking score but looking at the rest of the scores in Donegal and around other counties it was very much a one off over the weekend. Yet there's been a typical anti football response predicting the end of the game.
Is Maxi Curran over St.Eunan's?
There was over 25 wides, I think it was just piss poor shooting in fairness
Quote from: BennyCake on July 25, 2016, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 25, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
It was inevitable we where going to arrive at this point eventualy, pure dung
Tho....1893 AI final finished Wexford 1-1 Cork 0-1
Been a few 0-4 to 0-3 finals as well, including a "classic final" ::)
Cross beat Ballinderry 0-5 to 0-3 in ulster final once. But that was in horrendous conditions.
There must have been a fierce gale blowing off the Atlantic yesterday!
Castleblayney Faughs beat Burren 0-4 to 0-3 in an Ulster Final also...
Few low scoring matches in Tyrone in the 30s.
Senior Championship finals:
1930 Coalisland 1-2 Dungannon 0-2
1931 Ballygawley 2-1 Washingbay 1-3
1938 Fintona 0-3 Cookstown 0-0
1948 Omagh 1-3 Clogher 0-2
Junior Finals:
1946 Coalisland 2-0 Greencastle 0-3
1947 Beragh 0-4 Washingbay 0-3
1951 NTS 0-4 Moortown 0-2
1962 Ardboe 1-1 Dromore 0-3
1985 Donemana 1-2 Loughmacrory 0-5
1995 NTS 1-3 Tattyreagh 0-3
Intermediate Finals:
1988 Donaghmore 0-5 Brocagh 0-4
1933 Tyrone 0-3 Antrim 0-3
The sky ain't falling. Shit happens. Everywhere.
This is a product of the Jimmy McGuinness years. I stand corrected but it appears as though a lot of Donegal club teams play in this same defensive manner.
These 2 fcukers have always been at it:
1924: Tyrone 0-1 Donegal 0-2
Quote from: ONeill on July 25, 2016, 09:05:03 PM
Few low scoring matches in Tyrone in the 30s.
Senior Championship finals:
1930 Coalisland 1-2 Dungannon 0-2
1931 Ballygawley 2-1 Washingbay 1-3
1938 Fintona 0-3 Cookstown 0-0
1948 Omagh 1-3 Clogher 0-2
Junior Finals:
1946 Coalisland 2-0 Greencastle 0-3
1947 Beragh 0-4 Washingbay 0-3
1951 NTS 0-4 Moortown 0-2
1962 Ardboe 1-1 Dromore 0-3
1985 Donemana 1-2 Loughmacrory 0-5
1995 NTS 1-3 Tattyreagh 0-3
Intermediate Finals:
1988 Donaghmore 0-5 Brocagh 0-4
1933 Tyrone 0-3 Antrim 0-3
The sky ain't falling. Shit happens. Everywhere.
nobody in throne knew how to play fuball in the 30s. Ask anyone from Cavan
We won an U16 hurling match once 0-01 to 0-00.
Does that count?
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2016, 09:10:28 PM
This is a product of the Jimmy McGuinness years. I stand corrected but it appears as though a lot of Donegal club teams play in this same defensive manner.
The rest of the games in Donegal were all normal or high scoring. This was a one of in the full season and is being used for the usual over the top nonsense. Did I not read these two teams played out a high scoring game only a few months ago?
Who are NTS? Not taking scores?
Flicked through the Donegal club results in division 1 this year and it's full of high scoring games. In the other three games played at the weekend there was ten goals.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 25, 2016, 09:46:54 PM
We won an U16 hurling match once 0-01 to 0-00.
Does that count?
It only counts if it happened in Ulster. Like everything else on this board.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 10:01:21 PM
Who are NTS? Not taking scores?
Newtownstewart. They gave us Finbar and Pascal McConnell. Low score must have been due to their excellence in goalkeeper development. Explains why they couldn't score but didn't concede.
Quote from: Rois on July 25, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 10:01:21 PM
Who are NTS? Not taking scores?
Newtownstewart. They gave us Finbar and Pascal McConnell. Low score must have been due to their excellence in goalkeeper development. Explains why they couldn't score but didn't concede.
I mind thon match.
I think there actually might have been 4 McConnell's playin that day for Newton (might be wrong).
Especially when one stood on the other's shoulders for frees.
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
;D
Did the score stand?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 25, 2016, 10:03:51 PM
Flicked through the Donegal club results in division 1 this year and it's full of high scoring games. In the other three games played at the weekend there was ten goals.
Ah now don't confuse the issue and the outrage with facts! ;D
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
There should be a film about these boys (and women)
Quote from: laoislad on July 25, 2016, 10:40:30 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 25, 2016, 09:46:54 PM
We won an U16 hurling match once 0-01 to 0-00.
Does that count?
It only counts if it happened in Ulster. Like everything else on this board.
feck up you partitionist p***k!
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
Did they use hawkeye?
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Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2016, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
There should be a film about these boys (and women)
Heard that outfit had to stop a match one time because a badger came onto the field.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 25, 2016, 09:46:54 PM
We won an U16 hurling match once 0-01 to 0-00.
Does that count?
was that match actually played . local papers often use 0-01 to 0-00 for conceded games .
Im amanzed in over 125 years of Matches no one has ever heard of a scoreless Draw.
http://www.gaacork.ie/contentPage/4600/county_board
The first County Championship game took place on March 6th at Cork Park, a scoreless draw between Emmetts and Lees in the football championship. Lees won the replay and went on to contest the final against Lisgoold, who took three games to overcome neighbours Midleton.
The score in the County Final was Lees two points, two forfeit points to Lisgoold's one point.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
glolm :D :D :D
Quote from: Keane on July 26, 2016, 02:44:52 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
glolm :D :D :D
There was some serious precision applied trigonometry goin on there.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 26, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
http://www.gaacork.ie/contentPage/4600/county_board
The first County Championship game took place on March 6th at Cork Park, a scoreless draw between Emmetts and Lees in the football championship. Lees won the replay and went on to contest the final against Lisgoold, who took three games to overcome neighbours Midleton.
The score in the County Final was Lees two points, two forfeit points to Lisgoold's one point.
It's hard to kick points when you are half dead from consumption and woodbines.
ah, but according to Jimmy, Donegal football is different due to the wind and storms etc
they have a natural handpassing style
Quote from: Keane on July 26, 2016, 02:44:52 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 25, 2016, 11:50:43 PM
The notorious Windmill GFC (pronounced 'the Wine-mill') won and lost a few games 2 points to 1 as I recall. The Windmill field sloped R-L but their innovative groundsman mowed the rushes to hide the slope so it looked level. If you were playing up the hill your full back was standing knee-deep in rushes!
The story goes that when playing downhill the attacking team lost the ball in the rushes and their forward kicked a hare over the bar!
glolm :D :D :D
Just to be keepin up with the younguns before I head back, what's glolm?
Glenswilly beat Glenfin 7-14 to 4-6 today. There were shitloads of goals in many of the other Donegal league matches this weekend.
Is THAT scoreline going to make breathless national headlines regarding the disastrous state of Donegal football?
All about champiobship
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2016, 12:34:53 AM
Glenswilly beat Glenfin 7-14 to 4-6 today. There were shitloads of goals in many of the other Donegal league matches this weekend.
Is THAT scoreline going to make breathless national headlines regarding the disastrous state of Donegal football?
It just goes to show youse have spent that long using the blanket defence that players can't defend man to man any more.
Is it possible men were replaced by blankets going into the game
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2016, 12:34:53 AM
Glenswilly beat Glenfin 7-14 to 4-6 today. There were shitloads of goals in many of the other Donegal league matches this weekend.
Is THAT scoreline going to make breathless national headlines regarding the disastrous state of Donegal football?
What did Murphy score?
I'm curious do hear to most clubs around the county now play a defensively minded game with their half forwards all dropping back?
Do many play with just two forwards up front?
There was a Meath intermediate game that finished 1-2 apiece a few weeks back so it's not exactly confined to Donegal.
I don't know if there was any score in this game - nobody mentioned it:
From the Drogheda Independent, 1928
Extraordinary scenes at the football match in Castlebellingham (Co Louth ) were reported at the meeting of the Louth GAA Executive in Dundalk. On hearing the report one of the teams concerned – Clogherhead Dreadnoughts – were expelled from the GAA forever.
The referee (Mr Sean McMahon) reported that he ordered one of the Dreadnought players to extinguish a cigarette that he was smoking and the player told him to put on a Tallonstown jersey.
During the match the report continued the Clogherhead players did nothing but threaten and intimidate the Tallonstown players. Clogherhead had no intention of letting the game finish as a football game should end, and when the final whistle went they attacked the Tallonstown players in brutal fashion.
One of the Tallonstown players (McArdle) was brutally ill treated and when on the ground received a nasty kick on the left eye, and had to be medically attended. Free fights followed on all sides, with the Clogherhead men the aggressors in all cases
The referee stated that the Association was going through sufficiently trying times without having teams serve up such an exhibition.
The Clogherhead team was no asset to the Association, but rather a disgrace to it. He deplored the sickening scenes, which had taken place.
The Chairman (Ald Tom Burke, Drogheda) said the conduct of the Clogherhead players was such as could be met only by expelling them from the Association for life, and he ruled accordingly, adding that he hoped an affiliation would never be entertained from such a team again.
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2016, 12:29:38 PM
I don't know if there was any score in this game - nobody mentioned it:
From the Drogheda Independent, 1928
Extraordinary scenes at the football match in Castlebellingham (Co Louth ) were reported at the meeting of the Louth GAA Executive in Dundalk. On hearing the report one of the teams concerned – Clogherhead Dreadnoughts – were expelled from the GAA forever.
The referee (Mr Sean McMahon) reported that he ordered one of the Dreadnought players to extinguish a cigarette that he was smoking and the player told him to put on a Tallonstown jersey.
During the match the report continued the Clogherhead players did nothing but threaten and intimidate the Tallonstown players. Clogherhead had no intention of letting the game finish as a football game should end, and when the final whistle went they attacked the Tallonstown players in brutal fashion.
One of the Tallonstown players (McArdle) was brutally ill treated and when on the ground received a nasty kick on the left eye, and had to be medically attended. Free fights followed on all sides, with the Clogherhead men the aggressors in all cases
The referee stated that the Association was going through sufficiently trying times without having teams serve up such an exhibition.
The Clogherhead team was no asset to the Association, but rather a disgrace to it. He deplored the sickening scenes, which had taken place.
The Chairman (Ald Tom Burke, Drogheda) said the conduct of the Clogherhead players was such as could be met only by expelling them from the Association for life, and he ruled accordingly, adding that he hoped an affiliation would never be entertained from such a team again.
;D ;D
They don't make them like they used to
Gaoth Dobhair beat Bundoran 8.13 to 3.12 last week. The McGuinness era turned on it's head
Back to the original topic, the 1946 Longford Senior Championship final:
Ballymahon 0-0 Dromard 0-0
(Dromard had reached the final by getting the team who had defeated them in the semi-final disqualified; still a sore point in Mullinalaghta. They managed to win the replay 1-4 to 0-4.)
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 25, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
It was inevitable we where going to arrive at this point eventualy, pure dung
Tho....1893 AI final finished Wexford 1-1 Cork 0-1
Been a few 0-4 to 0-3 finals as well, including a "classic final" ::)
That game in 1893 was played on a smaller pitch, 25 a side and you were allowed beat the shite out of your opponent.
Longford today. Final score 6 6. SFC final.
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
This was an U15.5 colleges game not an All Ireland final. The coaches have a responsibility for player development as much as winning. There are plenty of past Abbey players on here who I'm sure are disgusted by this shite. People need to catch themselves on.
Quote from: oakleafgael on March 02, 2019, 05:44:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
This was an U15.5 colleges game not an All Ireland final. The coaches have a responsibility for player development as much as winning. There are plenty of past Abbey players on here who I'm sure are disgusted by this shite. People need to catch themselves on.
Yeah, but does getting a hiding help player development?
Quote from: The CCCC on March 02, 2019, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on March 02, 2019, 05:44:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
This was an U15.5 colleges game not an All Ireland final. The coaches have a responsibility for player development as much as winning. There are plenty of past Abbey players on here who I'm sure are disgusted by this shite. People need to catch themselves on.
Oakleafgael, can you tell me the development points the Abbey could have gained yesterday from a hammering by Maghera? And let's remember the Abbey could have exited the competition yesterday when they would have received a hammering and this competition exit would have prevented them getting another game in the competition for further 'develoment'.
A load of shite ....simple as that. As someone who proudly played for the Abbey I'm ashamed by it. When I think back to the few sessions I did with the great Gerry Brown and his emphasis on simple direct and efficient football....he'd be turning
Quote from: The CCCC on March 02, 2019, 09:34:14 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 02, 2019, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: The CCCC on March 02, 2019, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on March 02, 2019, 05:44:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
This was an U15.5 colleges game not an All Ireland final. The coaches have a responsibility for player development as much as winning. There are plenty of past Abbey players on here who I'm sure are disgusted by this shite. People need to catch themselves on.
Oakleafgael, can you tell me the development points the Abbey could have gained yesterday from a hammering by Maghera? And let's remember the Abbey could have exited the competition yesterday when they would have received a hammering and this competition exit would have prevented them getting another game in the competition for further 'develoment'.
A load of shite ....simple as that. As someone who proudly played for the Abbey I'm ashamed by it. When I think back to the few sessions I did with the great Gerry Brown and his emphasis on simple direct and efficient football....he'd be turning
So you would have been happy enough to take the hammering, go out of the comp and not take the quarter final where you have a chance of winning and would go more attacking like you did in earlier matches?
Thats shocking carry on. Its a pity the ref didnt just call off the game and award it to Maghera. What do you think the Abbey lads learned playing that game today? Its hard to blame the Maghera lads. If senior players struggle against it then for young lads who never played in a match like that it must be bizzare
Unless they win the competition, the Abbey's season will be defined by this. Putting 15 men behind the back when your losing is pathetic.
There is no shame in going toe to toe and taking a hammering. Even if it means exiting the competition.
To lose like that though renders turning up almost meaningless.
Quote from: Chief on March 02, 2019, 10:52:46 PM
Unless they win the competition, the Abbey's season will be defined by this. Putting 15 men behind the back when your losing is pathetic.
There is no shame in going toe to toe and taking a hammering. Even if it means exiting the competition.
To lose like that though renders turning up almost meaningless.
Yes there is! Ask any Mayo supporter about 2004 and 2006 finals!
Quote from: The CCCC on March 02, 2019, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: Chief on March 02, 2019, 10:52:46 PM
Unless they win the competition, the Abbey's season will be defined by this. Putting 15 men behind the back when your losing is pathetic.
There is no shame in going toe to toe and taking a hammering. Even if it means exiting the competition.
To lose like that though renders turning up almost meaningless.
You obviously haven't been part of too many teams who suffered hammerings as it's not a nice place to be. Would actually love to know how many of the Abbey team were happy to go ahead with this tactic to ensure their quarter final place rather than go out. I would suspect it would have been quite high and if I was a player myself I would rather try and get into the next round, ensure another game, win it with our normal tactics, win semi with normal tactics and go defensive again against Maghera in final in order to try and win the competition. Rather that than look back and say 'ah we got knocked out in group stages that year'
Quite the opposite. I was on the wrong end of more 15+ point hammerings than I care to think about. However it's as I said, there isno shame in being beat by better opposition provided you put your best foot forward and try to win the game.
I don't mind defensive football actually - providing its ultimate aim is to win the game. Iin fact I quite admire the resourcefulness of it sometimes. If you are ahead in a game and deploy 15 men behind the ball to hold on to a lead it's fine. I even quite liked Jim McGuinness' Donegal teams style.
However to be behind in a game and just effectively concede the result is unforgivable. It betrays a lack of ambition and pride.
So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
It happened in one game. If you look at all the other Ulster school game results they were very high scoring. Why always the need to attach the ills of GAA to one game every so often.
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Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
It says more about your philosophy than anything else then. Fear, caution and a lack of faith in your own ability. What is the point in playing football if you are forcing players to concede that they are not good enough before a ball is kicked, ultimately that style of play is simply about keeping the scores conceded to a minimum but nothing to do with trying to actually win the game.
I went to a lower division games in Antrim and saw four sweepers playing. Also the team with 4 sweepers was down by over ten points.Coaches have seen county teams setting up defensively and try to follow the model escaping the facts that the teams who play it right break at pace and have bodies back to do specific jobs not just to stand about not knowing what they are doing.
To be honest I think about 4 or 5 teams in the country can play football right these days be it club or county. The rest throw numbers back in the hope to deny space rather than by any design.
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Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
Quote from: The CCCC on March 03, 2019, 10:47:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 03, 2019, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 02, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
We have a new winner.
0-2 to 0-1...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
(https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801)
I can totally understand the way Abbey were set up, Maghera scored 6-32 in their two games before yesterday. Were abbey supposed to go man to man and get slaughtered?
It says more about your philosophy than anything else then. Fear, caution and a lack of faith in your own ability. What is the point in playing football if you are forcing players to concede that they are not good enough before a ball is kicked, ultimately that style of play is simply about keeping the scores conceded to a minimum but nothing to do with trying to actually win the game.
It's easy for you to say that. But with the amount of 'experts' and 'critics' in our sport if a team go out 15v15 in a game and get hammered the coach/manager will get slaughtered too, 'hasn't a clue', 'no defensive structure in place', 'doesn't know how to set up a team' etc etc
The fact that you are defending playing 15 men inside your own 45 metre line says more about your own philosophy on the game. It was a disgrace playing that way with 14/15 year olds, I hope you're not involved with coaching youngsters. This whole system is as much about the coaches ego as it is about player development.
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Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
.
Of course it was the management who decided and implemented these tactics, when did I deny that? But let's be honest, Coaches have exploited and outsmarted the GAA rule book and in some ways, fair play to them as they have thought outside the box (Moreso the original introducers of it like McGuinness rather than the recent coaches who are just copying it). But the GAA have sat up and accepted it and not thought outside the box themselves in trying to counteract it. And it will continue to happen until the GAA sort it out and make a rule to stop it.
It's one thing implementing these defensive systems if you're an intercounty manager under intense scrutiny or a club manager (probably getting paid) for results. It's something else when a manager of an U15 school team sees himself as the next Mourinho and sends out a team of kids to play like that. Sad thing is he was probably boasting about it in the pub last night.
At that age group it should be about improving kids skill levels and the principal should get someone else to manage the team. What's next? Should we expect to see kids playing sweeper in mini games during half time at senior games?
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Quote from: The CCCC on March 03, 2019, 11:21:49 AM
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Quote from: The CCCC on March 03, 2019, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
.
Of course it was the management who decided and implemented these tactics, when did I deny that? But let's be honest, Coaches have exploited and outsmarted the GAA rule book and in some ways, fair play to them as they have thought outside the box (Moreso the original introducers of it like McGuinness rather than the recent coaches who are just copying it). But the GAA have sat up and accepted it and not thought outside the box themselves in trying to counteract it. And it will continue to happen until the GAA sort it out and make a rule to stop it.
It's one thing implementing these defensive systems if you're an intercounty manager under intense scrutiny or a club manager (probably getting paid) for results. It's something else when an U15 manager of a school team sees himself as the next Mourinho and sends out a team of kids to play like that. Sad thing is he was probably boasting about it in the pub last night.
At that age group it should be about improving kids skill levels and the principal should get someone else to manage the team. What's next? Should we expect to see kids playing sweeper in mini games during half time at senior games?
Well when we see school managers / schools getting abuse and pressure on social media about failing to win things (as has been the case recently on social media) then I can at least show some
Understanding as to why a manager is going out to win. Then I see things on twitter about certain managers need to be put #(InsertManagersName - Out) and then again I see why school team managers are trying to win things when after all the teaching aspect of their job is the main priority with the GAA being second, the GAA where they give so much of their free time to outside working teaching hours being used to encourage ousting them.
And you simply say the principal should get someone in to improve the skills. You obviously have no understanding of how schools work so you really shouldn't be spoofing on here about that. Being successful with football teams I.e winning things is used as one way of attracting pupils to enrol in schools in order to keep numbers up. Children can pick a school who provides sport and is successful at sport. So that is further pressure on GAA schools managers to win and part of reason why matches like Friday's match occur.
I wouldn't subject my son to football like that. Obviously not everyone can be a football coach, but ANY IDIOT can stand on a sideline and tell the whole team just to stay in their own half and defend.
As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. When I was in school the teams were coached by a teacher who didn't get paid so I'd get another teacher to do the job. He or she might not win the U15 title, but at least the kids would enjoy playing the game. I mean if you think parents are going to enroll their kids in a school to play football like that then you really have joined the cult of McGuinness and I feel sorry for you
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Quote from: The CCCC on March 03, 2019, 11:21:49 AM
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Quote from: The CCCC on March 03, 2019, 10:10:32 AM
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So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
.
Of course it was the management who decided and implemented these tactics, when did I deny that? But let's be honest, Coaches have exploited and outsmarted the GAA rule book and in some ways, fair play to them as they have thought outside the box (Moreso the original introducers of it like McGuinness rather than the recent coaches who are just copying it). But the GAA have sat up and accepted it and not thought outside the box themselves in trying to counteract it. And it will continue to happen until the GAA sort it out and make a rule to stop it.
It's one thing implementing these defensive systems if you're an intercounty manager under intense scrutiny or a club manager (probably getting paid) for results. It's something else when an U15 manager of a school team sees himself as the next Mourinho and sends out a team of kids to play like that. Sad thing is he was probably boasting about it in the pub last night.
At that age group it should be about improving kids skill levels and the principal should get someone else to manage the team. What's next? Should we expect to see kids playing sweeper in mini games during half time at senior games?
Well when we see school managers / schools getting abuse and pressure on social media about failing to win things (as has been the case recently on social media) then I can at least show some
Understanding as to why a manager is going out to win. Then I see things on twitter about certain managers need to be put #(InsertManagersName - Out) and then again I see why school team managers are trying to win things when after all the teaching aspect of their job is the main priority with the GAA being second, the GAA where they give so much of their free time to outside working teaching hours being used to encourage ousting them.
And you simply say the principal should get someone in to improve the skills. You obviously have no understanding of how schools work so you really shouldn't be spoofing on here about that. Being successful with football teams I.e winning things is used as one way of attracting pupils to enrol in schools in order to keep numbers up. Children can pick a school who provides sport and is successful at sport. So that is further pressure on GAA schools managers to win and part of reason why matches like Friday's match occur.
I wouldn't subject my son to football like that. Obviously not everyone can be a football coach, but ANY IDIOT can stand on a sideline and tell the whole team just to stay in their own half and defend.
As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. When I was in school the teams were coached by a teacher who didn't get paid so I'd get another teacher to do the job. He or she might not win the U15 title, but at least the kids would enjoy playing the game. I mean if you think parents are going to enroll their kids in a school to play football like that then you really have joined the cult of McGuinness and I feel sorry for you
"As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. " - ah here this is actually funny now. Within the same sentence you say a principal can't tell the manager what tactics to implement then say the principal can tell the manger not to a play in a defensive way - which is tactical.
Can you please answer me these
1 - This has been going on since Donegal 2011, has the GAA reacted to it properly by implementing PROPER rule changes to stop it happening in the past 8 years?
2 - do you honestly think it will change without proper rules being implemented?
3- is it right for school teachers managing teams to receive online/outside abuse about not winning things?
4- can you see why school teachers, who previously didn't play so defensively, and encouraged more open football, decided to go defensively as a result of the abuse to try and win things?
But those tactics aren't actually about winning, they are about keeping the score down in order to avoid a drubbing. Completely negative frame of mind from fearful coaches, it's just a complete lack of faith in the abilities of their own players, if I was asked to play like that I'd sooner give up the sport but when it's 14/15 year olds they are expected to obey teachers instructions do it's no fault of the players.
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So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
.
Of course it was the management who decided and implemented these tactics, when did I deny that? But let's be honest, Coaches have exploited and outsmarted the GAA rule book and in some ways, fair play to them as they have thought outside the box (Moreso the original introducers of it like McGuinness rather than the recent coaches who are just copying it). But the GAA have sat up and accepted it and not thought outside the box themselves in trying to counteract it. And it will continue to happen until the GAA sort it out and make a rule to stop it.
It's one thing implementing these defensive systems if you're an intercounty manager under intense scrutiny or a club manager (probably getting paid) for results. It's something else when an U15 manager of a school team sees himself as the next Mourinho and sends out a team of kids to play like that. Sad thing is he was probably boasting about it in the pub last night.
At that age group it should be about improving kids skill levels and the principal should get someone else to manage the team. What's next? Should we expect to see kids playing sweeper in mini games during half time at senior games?
Well when we see school managers / schools getting abuse and pressure on social media about failing to win things (as has been the case recently on social media) then I can at least show some
Understanding as to why a manager is going out to win. Then I see things on twitter about certain managers need to be put #(InsertManagersName - Out) and then again I see why school team managers are trying to win things when after all the teaching aspect of their job is the main priority with the GAA being second, the GAA where they give so much of their free time to outside working teaching hours being used to encourage ousting them.
And you simply say the principal should get someone in to improve the skills. You obviously have no understanding of how schools work so you really shouldn't be spoofing on here about that. Being successful with football teams I.e winning things is used as one way of attracting pupils to enrol in schools in order to keep numbers up. Children can pick a school who provides sport and is successful at sport. So that is further pressure on GAA schools managers to win and part of reason why matches like Friday's match occur.
I wouldn't subject my son to football like that. Obviously not everyone can be a football coach, but ANY IDIOT can stand on a sideline and tell the whole team just to stay in their own half and defend.
As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. When I was in school the teams were coached by a teacher who didn't get paid so I'd get another teacher to do the job. He or she might not win the U15 title, but at least the kids would enjoy playing the game. I mean if you think parents are going to enroll their kids in a school to play football like that then you really have joined the cult of McGuinness and I feel sorry for you
"As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. " - ah here this is actually funny now. Within the same sentence you say a principal can't tell the manager what tactics to implement then say the principal can tell the manger not to a play in a defensive way - which is tactical.
Can you please answer me these
1 - This has been going on since Donegal 2011, has the GAA reacted to it properly by implementing PROPER rule changes to stop it happening in the past 8 years?
2 - do you honestly think it will change without proper rules being implemented?
3- is it right for school teachers managing teams to receive online/outside abuse about not winning things?
4- can you see why school teachers, who previously didn't play so defensively, and encouraged more open football, decided to go defensively as a result of the abuse to try and win things?
But those tactics aren't actually about winning, they are about keeping the score down in order to avoid a drubbing. Completely negative frame of mind from fearful coaches, it's just a complete lack of faith in the abilities of their own players, if I was asked to play like that I'd sooner give up the sport but when it's 14/15 year olds they are expected to obey teachers instructions do it's no fault of the players.
There will always be a**holes be they fans/parents will criticise the manager when their team loses. To use that as an excuse for such negative tactics is nonsense. Id like to think the manager got far more criticism for using such negative tactics. It might not be against the rules but how you can not see anything wrong with asking 14/15 year olds to play that way?
These negative tactics don't work. Teams have figured it out and all it does at best against good sides is maybe keep the score down. You're obviously far smarter than me if you can somehow point out how keeping 15 men inside your own half can be considered a positive move to win the game.
Abbey didnt win the game. They wouldnt have learned anything playing that so what exactly did they achieve? If the only aim was to qualifying for the next stage by keeping down the margin of defeat why bother even entering it? We can only hope the other managers in the competition dont share your negative attitude or god help us
Did the Abbey qualify from the group by only losing by 1 point or how did it finish up? It looks almost like both teams were happy enough to take the result a bit like Germany Austria in 1982 in world cup group were Germany just kicked the ball around and they both qualified.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1n9WQYq7u9M
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So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
.
Of course it was the management who decided and implemented these tactics, when did I deny that? But let's be honest, Coaches have exploited and outsmarted the GAA rule book and in some ways, fair play to them as they have thought outside the box (Moreso the original introducers of it like McGuinness rather than the recent coaches who are just copying it). But the GAA have sat up and accepted it and not thought outside the box themselves in trying to counteract it. And it will continue to happen until the GAA sort it out and make a rule to stop it.
It's one thing implementing these defensive systems if you're an intercounty manager under intense scrutiny or a club manager (probably getting paid) for results. It's something else when an U15 manager of a school team sees himself as the next Mourinho and sends out a team of kids to play like that. Sad thing is he was probably boasting about it in the pub last night.
At that age group it should be about improving kids skill levels and the principal should get someone else to manage the team. What's next? Should we expect to see kids playing sweeper in mini games during half time at senior games?
Well when we see school managers / schools getting abuse and pressure on social media about failing to win things (as has been the case recently on social media) then I can at least show some
Understanding as to why a manager is going out to win. Then I see things on twitter about certain managers need to be put #(InsertManagersName - Out) and then again I see why school team managers are trying to win things when after all the teaching aspect of their job is the main priority with the GAA being second, the GAA where they give so much of their free time to outside working teaching hours being used to encourage ousting them.
And you simply say the principal should get someone in to improve the skills. You obviously have no understanding of how schools work so you really shouldn't be spoofing on here about that. Being successful with football teams I.e winning things is used as one way of attracting pupils to enrol in schools in order to keep numbers up. Children can pick a school who provides sport and is successful at sport. So that is further pressure on GAA schools managers to win and part of reason why matches like Friday's match occur.
I wouldn't subject my son to football like that. Obviously not everyone can be a football coach, but ANY IDIOT can stand on a sideline and tell the whole team just to stay in their own half and defend.
As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. When I was in school the teams were coached by a teacher who didn't get paid so I'd get another teacher to do the job. He or she might not win the U15 title, but at least the kids would enjoy playing the game. I mean if you think parents are going to enroll their kids in a school to play football like that then you really have joined the cult of McGuinness and I feel sorry for you
"As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. " - ah here this is actually funny now. Within the same sentence you say a principal can't tell the manager what tactics to implement then say the principal can tell the manger not to a play in a defensive way - which is tactical.
Can you please answer me these
1 - This has been going on since Donegal 2011, has the GAA reacted to it properly by implementing PROPER rule changes to stop it happening in the past 8 years?
2 - do you honestly think it will change without proper rules being implemented?
3- is it right for school teachers managing teams to receive online/outside abuse about not winning things?
4- can you see why school teachers, who previously didn't play so defensively, and encouraged more open football, decided to go defensively as a result of the abuse to try and win things?
1) There are no rules which can address such a fundamental lack of ambition. It's tactics, not rules that are the problem here. The GAA make playing rules, if someone wants to be hyper defensive within those rules then there is nothing they can do. This is the manager(s) fault not the GAA's.
2) See point 1
3) Criticism - Yes. Abuse - No.
4) No. Coach a team properly or don't bother at all.
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Quote from: The CCCC on March 03, 2019, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
So where do we draw the line? What happens in the next round or next year? If the opposition teams keep doing this to teams like Maghera then if I was one of the Maghera lads Id go play football or rugby every week rather than have to play against that. No enjoyment in it and that is what is shoild be about at that level. Sad thing the GAA would be the biggest losers as the best players would be lost to the sport
I fully agree. It's not an ideal situation. But don't blame the players or the coaches for this. The coaches are not breaking any rules doing it. Blame the GAA for this as they refuse to address the main issue with this defensive craze - bodies. They have done next to nothing to create a rule to get all the bodies out of the defence which would help to sort this problem out once and for all.
You seem to be claiming that because management didn't break any rules then they are not to blame for the way Abbey set themselves up. Pure nonsense.
The coaches are absolutely to blame in this instance.
All the GAA do is make the rules of the game, they are not in charge of tactics. The manager picks the team and gives the instructions to the team about how to play. As I understand it, the logic was to keep the score down so they could qualify, a different set of rules would only have meant the Abbey went hyper defensive in a different way.
The spectacle we witnessed was exclusively the fault of the management.
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Of course it was the management who decided and implemented these tactics, when did I deny that? But let's be honest, Coaches have exploited and outsmarted the GAA rule book and in some ways, fair play to them as they have thought outside the box (Moreso the original introducers of it like McGuinness rather than the recent coaches who are just copying it). But the GAA have sat up and accepted it and not thought outside the box themselves in trying to counteract it. And it will continue to happen until the GAA sort it out and make a rule to stop it.
It's one thing implementing these defensive systems if you're an intercounty manager under intense scrutiny or a club manager (probably getting paid) for results. It's something else when an U15 manager of a school team sees himself as the next Mourinho and sends out a team of kids to play like that. Sad thing is he was probably boasting about it in the pub last night.
At that age group it should be about improving kids skill levels and the principal should get someone else to manage the team. What's next? Should we expect to see kids playing sweeper in mini games during half time at senior games?
Well when we see school managers / schools getting abuse and pressure on social media about failing to win things (as has been the case recently on social media) then I can at least show some
Understanding as to why a manager is going out to win. Then I see things on twitter about certain managers need to be put #(InsertManagersName - Out) and then again I see why school team managers are trying to win things when after all the teaching aspect of their job is the main priority with the GAA being second, the GAA where they give so much of their free time to outside working teaching hours being used to encourage ousting them.
And you simply say the principal should get someone in to improve the skills. You obviously have no understanding of how schools work so you really shouldn't be spoofing on here about that. Being successful with football teams I.e winning things is used as one way of attracting pupils to enrol in schools in order to keep numbers up. Children can pick a school who provides sport and is successful at sport. So that is further pressure on GAA schools managers to win and part of reason why matches like Friday's match occur.
I wouldn't subject my son to football like that. Obviously not everyone can be a football coach, but ANY IDIOT can stand on a sideline and tell the whole team just to stay in their own half and defend.
As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. When I was in school the teams were coached by a teacher who didn't get paid so I'd get another teacher to do the job. He or she might not win the U15 title, but at least the kids would enjoy playing the game. I mean if you think parents are going to enroll their kids in a school to play football like that then you really have joined the cult of McGuinness and I feel sorry for you
"As the school principal he or she clearly can't tell the manager who to pick or what tactics to implement, but he or she can say I don't want our school playing such a defensive way. " - ah here this is actually funny now. Within the same sentence you say a principal can't tell the manager what tactics to implement then say the principal can tell the manger not to a play in a defensive way - which is tactical.
Can you please answer me these
1 - This has been going on since Donegal 2011, has the GAA reacted to it properly by implementing PROPER rule changes to stop it happening in the past 8 years?
2 - do you honestly think it will change without proper rules being implemented?
3- is it right for school teachers managing teams to receive online/outside abuse about not winning things?
4- can you see why school teachers, who previously didn't play so defensively, and encouraged more open football, decided to go defensively as a result of the abuse to try and win things?
1) There are no rules which can address such a fundamental lack of ambition. It's tactics, not rules that are the problem here. The GAA make playing rules, if someone wants to be hyper defensive within those rules then there is nothing they can do. This is the manager(s) fault not the GAA's.
2) See point 1
3) Criticism - Yes. Abuse - No.
4) No. Coach a team properly or don't bother at all.
Ah you're deluded my friend.
I hope you're not around a club/county meeting when the debate for proposing a rule change to sort this mess out is being discussed and you dismiss people saying there isn't any rule change to help. There MOST CERTAINLY is a simple rule change to sort it out and pretty quickly at that. But critics like you who just want to criticise managers keep doing what you do and bring nothing knowledgable to the table.
Go on then. You tell me the rule that "fixes" it and I'll tell you how a manager who is motivated to play negatively will work around it.
The rule to fix it is to penalise a team when they pass the ball backwards over either 45 or 65.
Why it would work is simple.
If 2-3 of the defending team push up and cover off the space in each "grid", then the attacking team will, over the course of a few phases, be forced into moving into the next grid. Rinse and repeat.
As each grid would therefore have the potential to become more congested than the previous one, the emphasis from an attacking point of view would be a) move the ball quickly through the grids, or when that is not an option, b) to forego possession in favour of territory i.e. put the ball in long. With option b), only an idiotic coach would not try to counter a numeric imbalance by pushing more men into the full forward line.
I know some people believe this concept is a reward for packing a defence, and foresee situations where Team A will just endlessly recycle the ball within their own 45. But a shot clock doesn't penalise a strong defensive unit: it penalises a team who refuses to move forward. This is the same principle, except the onus is placed on the defending team to coax the opposition forward.
The blight on Gaelic Football isn't packed defences. It's an unwillingness to attack. The rule change we need should make attacking THE priority at all times when in possession.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 03, 2019, 11:40:05 PM
The rule to fix it is to penalise a team when they pass the ball backwards over either 45 or 65.
Why it would work is simple.
If 2-3 of the defending team push up and cover off the space in each "grid", then the attacking team will, over the course of a few phases, be forced into moving into the next grid. Rinse and repeat.
As each grid would therefore have the potential to become more congested than the previous one, the emphasis from an attacking point of view would be a) move the ball quickly through the grids, or when that is not an option, b) to forego possession in favour of territory i.e. put the ball in long. With option b), only an idiotic coach would not try to counter a numeric imbalance by pushing more men into the full forward line.
I know some people believe this concept is a reward for packing a defence, and foresee situations where Team A will just endlessly recycle the ball within their own 45. But a shot clock doesn't penalise a strong defensive unit: it penalises a team who refuses to move forward. This is the same principle, except the onus is placed on the defending team to coax the opposition forward.
The blight on Gaelic Football isn't packed defences. It's an unwillingness to attack. The rule change we need should make attacking THE priority at all times when in possession.
Surely a team with Abbey's mindset could just kick for touch (rugby style) in this system? Thereby they can kick it forward (and therefore not get penalised) without ever coming out of their defensive shell.
In this scenario the GAA would have changed the rules, but the defensive mindset would still remain the managers fault.
To put some meat on these bones.
Let's consider Fermanagh. Probably the gold standard in terms of squeezing every last drop of "there's no i in team" in Ireland, led by a very astute coach whose football strategy is a) get the defensive shape in place, then b) counter attack with conviction.
On the face of it, their style of football wouldn't change much if they couldn't pass "back beyond the lines". They're a counter attacking team after all.
But the problem they'd run into is that their game plan is fundamentally entwined with minimising the number of serious attacks they will face in any given match. Essentially, if the opposition can only generate say 20 forceful attacks in a match, then the likelihood is Fermanagh will have at worst a tally of around 1-12 to chase down, even against an in-form side.
How they minimise the number of forceful attacks is simple. They throw the ball around their own back line for minutes at a time, and will happily allow the opposition to do the same. It becomes in effect a 30-40 minute game instead of a 70 minute game.
If the opposition could send 3 attackers into the Fermanagh 45 safe in the knowledge that the ball, once forced out of this 'grid', will not be kicked straight back over to their heads back into that grid, then they have an immediate plus point. Step one of squeezing fermanagh into a turnover is complete and cannot be restarted. As such, the ball will likely be in play for maybe 40-45 minutes instead. They might score 1-15. Fermanagh might need to play a more open game to counteract this larger tally.
By the way, I've nothing against Fermanagh in the slightest. They're a credit to their county. And they're absolutely entitled to play the way they do. But as a blueprint for playing football goes, it's not the one I want to watch.
Quote from: Chief on March 03, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 03, 2019, 11:40:05 PM
The rule to fix it is to penalise a team when they pass the ball backwards over either 45 or 65.
Why it would work is simple.
If 2-3 of the defending team push up and cover off the space in each "grid", then the attacking team will, over the course of a few phases, be forced into moving into the next grid. Rinse and repeat.
As each grid would therefore have the potential to become more congested than the previous one, the emphasis from an attacking point of view would be a) move the ball quickly through the grids, or when that is not an option, b) to forego possession in favour of territory i.e. put the ball in long. With option b), only an idiotic coach would not try to counter a numeric imbalance by pushing more men into the full forward line.
I know some people believe this concept is a reward for packing a defence, and foresee situations where Team A will just endlessly recycle the ball within their own 45. But a shot clock doesn't penalise a strong defensive unit: it penalises a team who refuses to move forward. This is the same principle, except the onus is placed on the defending team to coax the opposition forward.
The blight on Gaelic Football isn't packed defences. It's an unwillingness to attack. The rule change we need should make attacking THE priority at all times when in possession.
Surely a team with Abbey's mindset could just kick for touch (rugby style) in this system? Thereby they can kick it forward (and therefore not get penalised) without ever coming out of their defensive shell.
In this scenario the GAA would have changed the rules, but the defensive mindset would still remain the managers fault.
What I'm suggesting (probably guessing) is, that to take last week's Brock Cup game as an example.
Let's presume Abbey have no interest in playing football. So when they get the ball, they just, as you say, boot it into touch. What should an opposing manager do at this time? Well, if we know the Abbey aren't going to leave their shell, then push 5 men into full forward and rain sideline kicks in on top of them, with a simple intent of punching points, that's what. Should Abbey win these Hail Mary's, then if they cross the 45, they can't go back and kill the clock, they have to come out. Alternatively they can just boot it out of play as soon as they recover it. But if it rains sideline balls upon your full back line, you will concede from time to time. Before long they'll be 4 points down. 4 points isn't a tally you can recover with 14 men back. That's just numbers in action.
This is U15s
Both "coaches" and i use it very loosely, should be told to f**k off out of the school. These guys are murdering football in front of our eyes. They are not clever, they are not astute, they are not pioneers. They are just weak coaches with no innovation or flair. Useless to any county in the long run.
The biggest curse of modern 'football' is the inability of players to actually tackle and defend as individuals and simply to rely of tactics to be their defenders. I have seen sweepers being played at u12 blitzs for christ sake! I think that the whole idea of 'zonal' stuff and no 'back pass' over the half way line a la basketball is the only way to regulate it. More importantly though there needs to be a mindset change and focus on coaching the skills better at a younger age. The game is being slowly killed and there is a real ostrich in the sand approach.
Always makes me laugh the outrage this type of game of game creates.
Hundreds of games played a week and people pick apart the worst one to get all frantic about. Its a typical Irish attitude tbf. Lets all get hysterical about this one game, lets face it, that scoreline is a rarity. People need to calm down.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 04, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
Always makes me laugh the outrage this type of game of game creates.
Hundreds of games played a week and people pick apart the worst one to get all frantic about. Its a typical Irish attitude tbf. Lets all get hysterical about this one game, lets face it, that scoreline is a rarity. People need to calm down.
The problem is real.
The Abbey could find themselves a few students down if this meeting they are having today doesnt go the way some parents want it to go
At what point do you realise your only a point down and go for it.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 04, 2019, 10:17:53 AM
At what point do you realise your only a point down and go for it.
At what point do you go time is running out and we are still only 1 point up. Imagine Dublin did that against Laois and Laois stuck a couple of midfielders in at full forward in the last 5 minutes and bombed the ball in. They'd be well screwed if the ball bounced around and came of someones knee and ended in the back of the net. If they were 4 points up and they just kicked the ball around as the other team wouldn't come out fair enough but 1 point up and not really looking to find a gap in the Abbey defense was asking for trouble. If Maghera are clearly the better team (and the scores in there previous games indicate they are) then making the match effectively 10 minutes long gave the weaker team a much better chance of a smash and grab type win.
Quote from: Maiden1 on March 04, 2019, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 04, 2019, 10:17:53 AM
At what point do you realise your only a point down and go for it.
At what point do you go time is running out and we are still only 1 point up. Imagine Dublin did that against Laois and Laois stuck a couple of midfielders in at full forward in the last 5 minutes and bombed the ball in. They'd be well screwed if the ball bounced around and came of someones knee and ended in the back of the net. If they were 4 points up and they just kicked the ball around as the other team wouldn't come out fair enough but 1 point up and not really looking to find a gap in the Abbey defense was asking for trouble. If Maghera are clearly the better team (and the scores in there previous games indicate they are) then making the match effectively 10 minutes long gave the weaker team a much better chance of a smash and grab type win.
In fairness to Maghera none of their players would have any experience playing against that and they couldn't have expected Abbey to use such negative tactics. It took the dubs a few years to fine tune their system to make the blanket useless against them. They also they wouldn't have had the kicking strength to kick long range points like senior players do to beat the blanket defence. The Abbey coach should be replaced. If that's all he can bring to the game then the school is better off without him
Dublin had 15 players behind the ball at points in the game yesterday
no wonder teams are copying them
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2019, 11:26:16 AM
Dublin had 15 players behind the ball at points in the game yesterday
no wonder teams are copying them
That's right the dubs are a defensive team. ::) Fermanagh have clearly based their game on doing what the dubs do
The dubs are a very defensive team too. It's a myth they're not. They are so fit they can break at pace so play good attacking football too but they put significant numbers back when they don't have the ball and you will rarely see a defender of theirs isolated.
I would bvery against trying to micro manage the situation . because like fixture list and competition structure every wants change but no 2 people agree on what that change should be.
and anyway the Ego ftiven coaches who implement this kindsa of Shiite would st sit down and try and find await around any reforms . and when most games are ending up nil all thrillers like shiteball. you will still have people on here commending their actions 15 year old walk away thing what a terrible game football is .
Public Ridicule and condemnation is actually the best way to get around this let coaches know this is not acceptable and what pricks they are for ruining Football and young people fun and games
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 04, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
Always makes me laugh the outrage this type of game of game creates.
Hundreds of games played a week and people pick apart the worst one to get all frantic about. Its a typical Irish attitude tbf. Lets all get hysterical about this one game, lets face it, that scoreline is a rarity. People need to calm down.
Nothing to laugh about. You are like one of these climate change denier. Football is being destroyed and its in happening right in front of your eyes.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
The dubs are a very defensive team too. It's a myth they're not. They are so fit they can break at pace so play good attacking football too but they put significant numbers back when they don't have the ball and you will rarely see a defender of theirs isolated.
It's mind boggling that people actually believe this!!
They see a freeze frame of 14 or 15 Dubs behind the ball and say, that's proves it, Dublin are very defensive!!
It's utter nonsense.
Yes, we put a lot of work into defence, and yes, our forwards will chase back their man if he moves forward. And if the opposition are arsing about, our lads will all work to get the ball. But we NEVER take a forward or midfielder out of their position and plop them into the back line as a 7th defender.
We would NEVER play a sweeper if the opposition played 6 forwards.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 04, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
Always makes me laugh the outrage this type of game of game creates.
Hundreds of games played a week and people pick apart the worst one to get all frantic about. Its a typical Irish attitude tbf. Lets all get hysterical about this one game, lets face it, that scoreline is a rarity. People need to calm down.
Couldn't agree more. One shite match and it's a whole song and dance about how doomed Gaelic football is. There have always been low scoring matches. This isn't something new. You just see much more of it nowadays thanks to social media. Then we have the purists having a panic attack and proposing stupid rules every year because they want the game to back to how it was in 1950 with some fat mess in nets, a couple of ogres in midfield and some beast in full forward; and to just kick it up high in the air for them all to field high balls becuase apparently that's the most important skill in Gaelic football.
News flash - not every team can or will play off the cuff all out attacking football in every single match. You're gonna see a few shite matches. Especially in winter. Get over it
Yesterday's games from Dublin division 1, on a wet and miserable Sunday morning:
Ballyboden St Endas 1-10 1-10 Kilmacud Crokes
Cuala 4-9 0-14 St Vincents
Fingallians 2-8 2-9 St Maurs
Skerries Harps 1-10 1-11 Ballinteer St Johns
St Brigids 2-12 2-12 Na Fianna
St Oliver Plunketts ER 1-8 3-11 Lucan Sarsfields
Thomas Davis 0-14 0-15 Ballymun Kickhams
St Judes 2-11 0-6 Templeogue Synge Street
Bar the last one which was pretty one sided from the start, the above were all very entertaining games despite the very wet conditions (I was at one of them, and it was a cracker and I got super value for my soaking!).
It's not football that's the problem, it's not the rules that are the problem, it's certain teams (more specifically their managers) that are the problem (and I'm glad that Castleknock were relegated out of this division as they were a tough watch). But played properly, it's still a great game as most people at the above games will testify.
Quote from: general_lee on March 04, 2019, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 04, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
Always makes me laugh the outrage this type of game of game creates.
Hundreds of games played a week and people pick apart the worst one to get all frantic about. Its a typical Irish attitude tbf. Lets all get hysterical about this one game, lets face it, that scoreline is a rarity. People need to calm down.
Couldn't agree more. One shite match and it's a whole song and dance about how doomed Gaelic football is. There have always been low scoring matches. This isn't something new. You just see much more of it nowadays thanks to social media. Then we have the purists having a panic attack and proposing stupid rules every year because they want the game to back to how it was in 1950 with some fat mess in nets, a couple of ogres in midfield and some beast in full forward; and to just kick it up high in the air for them all to field high balls becuase apparently that's the most important skill in Gaelic football.
News flash - not every team can or will play off the cuff all out attacking football in every single match. You're gonna see a few shite matches. Especially in winter. Get over it
U15s!!!!!
Quote from: Taylor on March 04, 2019, 10:03:27 AM
The Abbey could find themselves a few students down if this meeting they are having today doesnt go the way some parents want it to go
Keep us informed on the outcome of this meeting, should be interesting
Quote from: general_lee on March 04, 2019, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 04, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
Always makes me laugh the outrage this type of game of game creates.
Hundreds of games played a week and people pick apart the worst one to get all frantic about. Its a typical Irish attitude tbf. Lets all get hysterical about this one game, lets face it, that scoreline is a rarity. People need to calm down.
Couldn't agree more. One shite match and it's a whole song and dance about how doomed Gaelic football is. There have always been low scoring matches. This isn't something new. You just see much more of it nowadays thanks to social media. Then we have the purists having a panic attack and proposing stupid rules every year because they want the game to back to how it was in 1950 with some fat mess in nets, a couple of ogres in midfield and some beast in full forward; and to just kick it up high in the air for them all to field high balls becuase apparently that's the most important skill in Gaelic football.
News flash - not every team can or will play off the cuff all out attacking football in every single match. You're gonna see a few shite matches. Especially in winter. Get over it
To be fair the U15 match wasn't a farce because it was pouring rain/gale force winds/the pitch was awful etc. One manager decided before throw in they didn't want to play football. Surely you can see that at U15 level that's just wrong on so many levels
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0304/1034105-game-as-we-now-know-it-rewards-the-brave-adaptable/
Quote from: Taylor on March 04, 2019, 10:03:27 AM
The Abbey could find themselves a few students down if this meeting they are having today doesnt go the way some parents want it to go
Imagine taking your children out of a school because of tactics a football team implement. f**k me.
I heard that Methody are in danger of losing a few students because they are forcing a running game on the first 15 this year. Parents on the Malone road are outraged.
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2019, 02:12:41 PM
Imagine taking your children out of a school because of tactics a football team implement. f**k me.
I assume that the parents problem was with the bad publicity online rather than disagreeing with tactics.
Quote from: dec on March 04, 2019, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2019, 02:12:41 PM
Imagine taking your children out of a school because of tactics a football team implement. f**k me.
I assume that the parents problem was with the bad publicity online rather than disagreeing with tactics.
I don't think for one second any parent is taking it that seriously that they'd remove their child from school. That's my rather sarcastic take on it.
We'll see I suppose.
Quote from: Hound on March 04, 2019, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
The dubs are a very defensive team too. It's a myth they're not. They are so fit they can break at pace so play good attacking football too but they put significant numbers back when they don't have the ball and you will rarely see a defender of theirs isolated.
It's mind boggling that people actually believe this!!
They see a freeze frame of 14 or 15 Dubs behind the ball and say, that's proves it, Dublin are very defensive!!
It's utter nonsense.
Yes, we put a lot of work into defence, and yes, our forwards will chase back their man if he moves forward. And if the opposition are arsing about, our lads will all work to get the ball. But we NEVER take a forward or midfielder out of their position and plop them into the back line as a 7th defender.
We would NEVER play a sweeper if the opposition played 6 forwards.
Your last point is kind of moot as no teams play with 6 forwards. Before you say exactly that is not an argument.
I have watched more than one freeze frame over the last number of years and there are more than 6 or 8 back regularly.
You still play great football but you put plenty of men behind the ball like everyone else and it's a myth that you don't whether you say so or not,
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2019, 08:01:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 04, 2019, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
The dubs are a very defensive team too. It's a myth they're not. They are so fit they can break at pace so play good attacking football too but they put significant numbers back when they don't have the ball and you will rarely see a defender of theirs isolated.
It's mind boggling that people actually believe this!!
They see a freeze frame of 14 or 15 Dubs behind the ball and say, that's proves it, Dublin are very defensive!!
It's utter nonsense.
Yes, we put a lot of work into defence, and yes, our forwards will chase back their man if he moves forward. And if the opposition are arsing about, our lads will all work to get the ball. But we NEVER take a forward or midfielder out of their position and plop them into the back line as a 7th defender.
We would NEVER play a sweeper if the opposition played 6 forwards.
Your last point is kind of moot as no teams play with 6 forwards. Before you say exactly that is not an argument.
I have watched more than one freeze frame over the last number of years and there are more than 6 or 8 back regularly.
You still play great football but you put plenty of men behind the ball like everyone else and it's a myth that you don't whether you say so or not,
At times dublin have 15 men back, but to claim thats their main strategy is BS. There is a difference between defending and setting up with 13 men behind the ball at all times. How do Dublin have a points difference this year of +20 even though they lost 2 games if they are so defensive??
The anti dublin bitterness has no end it seems. For some reason you left out dub players are professional footballers as well but I'm sure From The Bunker or some other Dublin hater will cover that for you
Ah get rid of that chip on your shoulder. You play a lot of men in defense and break at great pace. You are just that fit that you can do it. It doesn't make other teams less defensive than you - the fitness levels and athleticism in that Dublin team are probably 10-20 % better than anyone else so you can do it.
Kerry and Dublin both play with lots of defenders - the media just never say much about it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
Ah get rid of that chip on your shoulder. You play a lot of men in defense and break at great pace. You are just that fit that you can do it. It doesn't make other teams less defensive than you - the fitness levels and athleticism in that Dublin team are probably 10-20 % better than anyone else so you can do it.
Kerry and Dublin both play with lots of defenders - the media just never say much about it.
Sure it's fine to have a defensive strategy as long as you are trying to win the game. If you can't appreciate good defensive football then go find another sport because you're not going to be able to avoid it. Furthermore it's not enlightened to attack like a fool and leave yourself exposed in defence.
Doing what Abbey done though, when already behind, just beggars belief. It was (a) stupid and (b) without ambition.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 04, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
Ah get rid of that chip on your shoulder. You play a lot of men in defense and break at great pace. You are just that fit that you can do it. It doesn't make other teams less defensive than you - the fitness levels and athleticism in that Dublin team are probably 10-20 % better than anyone else so you can do it.
Kerry and Dublin both play with lots of defenders - the media just never say much about it.
Seriously - do you believe that? 1% or 2% would be a huge amount. Athleticism isn't Dublin's key advantage - it's their adaptability/tactics and football skills while also have the athleticism other sides have. Most county sides have the athleticism but not the other things, especially the football skills.
I understand football skills are their main advantage but I do believe that their fitness levels and athleticism are on a different level to anyone else yes.
If they have an edge in fitness and athleticism I think it's pretty marginal as most intercounty teams would be in excellent shape. They probably do everything a little better. They certainly tackle better (a skill).
I'm certain though they dop not go out in any game and say - lets put 13 men behiond the ball and counter attack. It's - if they bring 13/14 men forward then go with them and counter. Dublin play whatever tactics they're faced with - and that's their biggest strength. They're really not bothered how anyone sets up against them.
Dublin have the edge in strength in depth also, like for like replacements all capable of making big impacts when introduced and many times have seen them finish games with stronger teams than what they started with.