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#1
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 27, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on October 27, 2017, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 27, 2017, 10:53:31 AM
Sorry don't want to put names on the public forum without hard evidence, I don't think it would be fair to speculate.

I heard a big name connected to this job also but honestly don't think the guy will leave his current job but if he does it will be a big coup for the Rahillys...


Naw last I heard Jim Gavin said he was going to try for another Sam with Dublin so they are back to square one.
#2
Think this is only in hurling due to smaller numbers of teams
#3
Quote from: T Fearon on October 15, 2017, 08:38:57 AM
The fact is a woman lay dead in her own home unnoticed  for almost three years,and none of her family,who lived in close proximity knew.If that fact isn't grounds for speculation and questioning the nature of her family,I don't know what is.

They are a close knit family who are shocked at this
#4
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 13, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 13, 2017, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 12, 2017, 09:36:44 AM
Clonoe can thank Collie Doris more than Cassidy for their successes, he orchestrated that team.

Whatever peoples opinion of Cassidy, I was talking to a couple of supporters (and 1 ex player) who all feel the players at the time get very little credit for what they achieved. 2 Championships (should have been more IMO) and a couple league titles in his time

Collie Doris was up there with the best in the county in his prime, and they had a mean defence, But these supporters say Doris was the man who won them their 2 titles


Would you and I be talking to the same few people or would this be a common opinion amongst Clonoe folk?
#5
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 11, 2017, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 11, 2017, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on October 11, 2017, 01:04:03 PM
This is my first post since we lost to Pomeroy, as a committed Clonoe die hard, it was a particularly hard defeat to take. Pomeroy should have sealed the victory in the first game, we missed a number of decent chances in the first 15 mins of the game, but Pomeroy took over and it was the final ten minutes before we played gain and was chasing the game big time. I felt leaving the game we were able to beat them. The replay, first half was one way traffic, someone said we had 8 wides and 5 dropped to the keeper in the first half, brutal shooting, game should have been in complete control at half time, and essentially managed the second half, but we didn't take our chances, handed Pomeroy a goal when we had the ball and fisted the ball to one of there players , three passes later they scored the goal that set them on their way. They took their chances, we missed so many at chances, no complaints, its all about the score board. I was disappointed they didn't get over Errigal, no disrespects to Errigal .
Word was coming out at the end of last week Cassidy had pulled the plugs. Should he have went earlier, I don't know, should he have stayed longer, don't now either. Has he gone at the right time, don't know that either. Time will tell. This is what I do know, when he arrived at our club, we were in poor shape, we had a decent group of young players, but we have had that in the past before and nothing came of it. We had a serious falling out over the winter and a culling at our AGM. Some players were going to not play because of it, falling out over soccer, but more or less falling out because like every club our personal grievances and pride were more important than anything else, you get the idea. What he did more than anything else was change the culture within our club, a culture of messing about, not preparing well, the team being more important than the individual, getting players to set an example to the young players coming through that was so different to the way it used to be. I have seen the two ends of it over the years, and whilst we maybe could have won more, maybe not, Tyrone is fiercely competitive as we know, the success and as I said more importantly the cultural shift is firmly at his door.
Never particularly liked Cassidys behaviour along the line. Always seemed to come across as a bully. He is a winner though and going on your account he has left the club in better shape than when he started. Ultimately that is all you can ask of any manager. I'd imagine most refs won't be sad to see him go though

Clonoe won the championship in 2008 do you think they are left in the shape to win it in 2018?
#6
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 10, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: referee on October 10, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
It'll take a good man to come in and get similar success to Cassidy,especially with some of the clonoe players getting on in years

Success aye. Wise up lost more than he won.
#7
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 09, 2017, 04:50:20 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 09, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 09, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: Archie53 on October 09, 2017, 03:25:22 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 09, 2017, 03:20:18 PM
Anyman See Petsy Kennedy getting a slap in the gub at the game yesterday by a Derrylaughan man into the bargain.....
Yeah seen it totally out of order. Very annoyed when he came on to the pitch not Petsey fault they where beat.

Why would a derrylaughan man want to hit Petsy? Not doubting it just surprised it happened!

Dont know just saying what i seen....

Did you see it? Would you not have been away supporting your ladies in their first ever Ulster championship game
#8
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 09, 2017, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 09, 2017, 10:01:11 AM
Didn't get to see the Final yesterday, Moy were very poor v Augher when I saw them play - fair play to them for going the whole way, I wouldn't have had any money on them after that one.

How do you reckon both teams will get on in Div 1 next year? Derrylaughan probably the better equipped of both teams to stay up I'd have thought?

Thought the ref was terrible yesterday Derrylaughan can feel very hard done by with a lot of his decisions.
#9
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 01, 2017, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on October 01, 2017, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on October 01, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on October 01, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 01, 2017, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: stillsenior on October 01, 2017, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 30, 2017, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 30, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
It's the county ground, simple. Like I said, Omagh have been in county finals before and they were all (if memory serves me correctly) in Healy Park. Why would this year be any different?

Omagh Clonoe 88 final was in Dungannon
Omagh Ardboe 98 final was in Pomeroy

Omagh is one of a number of designated county grounds in Tyrone including Dungannon and Coalisland. The ground is the property of the Omagh club and the County Board have no claim on it as such.

Its a shame the CB don't use other venues for NFL or McKenna cup games any more as Omagh lacks much in the way of atmosphere.

Neutral venue would be better solution for a county final.


The County Final will be played wherever TG4 say

There has been about 10000 people at recent county finals. Can any other ground host that size of crowd  ?

Plunkett Park holds in the region of 12000 people.

It may do and the changing rooms hold about 12 !! Worst facilities for players in the county

That won't be the case in two years time.
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Ballygawley v Omagh in the final who cares about that play it in Garvaghy
#10
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
September 30, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 30, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
It's the county ground, simple. Like I said, Omagh have been in county finals before and they were all (if memory serves me correctly) in Healy Park. Why would this year be any different?

Actually they weren't
#11
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
September 30, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
Surprised to see Owen roes beat by tattyreagh thought the writing was on the wall there was a double going north. Think the other games are all interesting in their own rights. Derrylaughan v Aghyaran probably should be the final but if this year has told us anything nothing is predictable. Moy v gorging they have both been plugging away and grinding out results. Omagh v Trillick should be a great game with the eventual cup winners coming from this tie. Pomeroy and Errigal will only be interesting is the 3 hard games in a week don't take its toll on them. I tip Derrylaughan Gortin Omagh and Errigal.
#12
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
September 29, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: TROUSERS on September 29, 2017, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 29, 2017, 11:48:10 AM
Suppose all men selling club gear hand all the coin back to the club as well especially their own club

I might be wrong do most clubs not sell their own club gear?

Lot clubs do but also plenty selling club gear for personal profit.


Any examples of clubs where this happens? I know of one club where a man set up a business to do stuff and was using clubs to gain profit but think that was quickly stopped. Don't think of any more tho
#13
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
September 29, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: Thastheball on September 29, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 29, 2017, 08:48:38 AM
Agreed. A strong gaa club/ community  is the greatest asset a parish or village will have. But it costs lots to keep it going and in many ways that is a cost to the community through fundraising. If you are a benefactor then you can't charge your community.

You can't, but your happy to pay the stranger? It has to be an Irish begrudgery thing more than anything else. The Gaa is built on parochialism and that means inward self help, that model also promotes begrudgery. If logic was applied and emotion taken out of it, the argument is a dead duck

Do you really think that it would be fair for a club to pay its own club man to manage a senior team? Does that mean the whole management set up of the seniors? What about youth management? Youth Officers, the man who marks the pitch, the girl who washes the jerseys, the lotto sellers, the ticket sellers or the lads who carry out the maintenance work around the grounds?  Should they all be paid?
Is the senior manager the most important person in the club in your opinion?
I don't!
I don't mind a few expenses for the outside man as he has mileage and using his phone to contact teams and his players but to supplement a man as much as a weekly wage is just wrong.
Where has the amateur ethos gone?
#14
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
September 28, 2017, 02:03:51 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 27, 2017, 11:44:21 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 27, 2017, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on September 27, 2017, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 27, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 27, 2017, 10:07:19 AM
Damian Cassidy has surly underachieved with Clonoe given the talent at his disposal and the wage he lifts.

2 senior championships 2 senior leagues 1 under 21 and ulster under 21 in 8 seasons plus several reserve champions..... so maybe or maybe not who knows.....

Did he manage all those teams u21 and reserve too

Under 21's yes and at least one of the reserve wins

Spoke with a Clonoe man today. He says the Reserve Wins were all with different club managers in charge and since Cassidy has taken more involvement, they haven't gotten close past 3 years

His opinion was Cassidy has cost more Championships than he has won. Reckons a better manager could have won more with the talent the club HAD, unfortunately a fair share of those on the team last night are at the end of their careers. Im not sure but he says Cassidy has been there 9 years!! Surely time for a fresh start, especially with a lot of rebuilding needed.

To comment on Cassidys manors at games, we were behind him in Carrickmore and Edendork and we only ever heard him shout at the Ref, not any of his players, this also goes for instructions onto the pitch

I have to say a lot of this is true but what also is true is the way he has spoken to his players he belittles them I am lead to believe he has had no confidence from his team all year only for Niall being with him. The team voted overwhelmingly against him last year 27 to 3 for him to go only their committee decided differently. This might not be all truth and just men hurting after a game they feel they should have won. Tothetop would know he is rightly up in the club.
#15
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
September 27, 2017, 11:49:58 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 27, 2017, 11:42:01 AM
Danny McNulty is nowhere near senior county standard. Frank Burns looks more than capable needs a run of games. Brendan Burns surely warrants a opportunity however, it may be at the expense of his club mate HP McGeary.

McNulty is a good player when he is not being marked he also can kick a good ground ball but is he county standard no chance he might not even be Clonoe senior standard. Clonoe bench last night looked quite young there has to be a few players on it to replace the older and more immobile players. Pomeroy have continued where they left off last year and that's winning championships they could do a trillick and no reason why not 3 good county men added to a youthful blend of speed and power with a wee bit of experience in there in the guise of Denver and cricko