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Title: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 04, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
With all the fuss of the much inferior ;D circus that is the PDC Darts over, and with Irelands Martin McCloskey playing in a few hours (8:40 going by the lakesides website. Think its just on the red button) just think its time to bail in behind our own.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: sammymaguire on January 04, 2010, 05:00:58 PM
I watched some of this on Saturday, Tony O'Shea looked shi1te compared to ANY of the PDC guys and I lasted 5 mins before I had to trun over to a Friends repeat, "The One with Rachel's Big Kiss" with Winona Ryder! much more interesting
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2010, 05:02:35 PM
Saw a bit yesterday and in fairness the players were brutal.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 04, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
Worst. Seen about 5 minutes last night and it's brutal. Still stuck in the stone age.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: screenexile on January 04, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Somebody told me that one guy finished with an average of 38 for the match or something ridiculous like that!

I know a lot of people say we're being led up the garden path with Sky hyping the shite out of it but the PDC are head and shoulders above the BDO!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bingobus on January 04, 2010, 05:29:32 PM
Its a slow burner the BDO.

Normally get a few great matches near the end, which they close, tense matches if nothing else. The PDC is a one man show, Taylor never lost a set in QTR or semi. Makes for poor viewing even if he is a class thrower. The other side of draw was much better.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Yes I Would on January 04, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
Only worth watching for the punditry magic of Bobby Dazzler..Legend!! and WTF does Murray know about darts??
There was a Scottish guy Hendo who's health id seriously fear for in any greater than a five set match. He was the colour of beetroot!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 04, 2010, 05:52:30 PM
Ach.. go easy on it. For those of us without the sky box and like our darts, its still the highlight of the New Year. Yeah it takes til Thursday for any half exciting stuff to get going but it always throws up a good classic or two. Yes it cant compete with the PDC cause of the money but if i got the choice between a ticket to the Lakeside Final or The Ally Pally it would be Lakeside every time. Just a shame that anyone who shows any promise has to leave it but it is good to see the likes of Whitlock now being able to stay over, play the circut and earn a wage,on a full time basis cause he spent a long time at the Lakeside to get to where he is.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 04, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 04, 2010, 05:52:30 PM
if i got the choice between a ticket to the Lakeside Final or The Ally Pally it would be Lakeside every time.

The PDC World Championship has certainly lost something since it moved to the Ally Pally from Purfleet. The Circus Tavern was made for darts and the atmosphere was always electric. Was at the last final at the Tavern (the Barney Taylor classic) a few years ago and it was amazing. Only been to the Ally Pally once and I doubt I'll be back.

The PDC needs the BDO to a certain extent. The BDO do more work at the grassroots of darts and bring through more young players. If you look at all the new talent that has freshened up the PDC over the last two years, they've all come from the BDO - Van Gerwen, Van Der Voort, Klaasen, Mervyn King, Gary Anderson, Whitlock, Webster, Robert Thornton.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: wallyman on January 04, 2010, 06:19:36 PM
Did Whitlock compete in the BDO a few years back?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 04, 2010, 06:37:09 PM
If we'd had this conversation 4 years ago no doubt people would have been just as dismissive of the BDO yet every 2010 PDC semi-finalist bar Taylor was in the BDO 3 or 4 years ago. Ok there seems to be a tendancy for BDO players to improve once they play amongst the higher standard but while the BDO mightn't have the depth of the PDC, there are good players.

Plus there is no entrance in the PDC which sends a shiver down the spine like;

Darkness has descended. The midnight hour cometh. Be on your way. Its the Count - Ted Hankey!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 04, 2010, 06:45:31 PM
They all have to start somewhere. If any player is serious about darts, and want to make a living out of it, the PDC is the only option. Whitlock, Webster, Klassen, Van Gerwen etc will get better and better now they are in the PDC, as they can live off their sponsors, winnings and concentrate on playing darts.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 04, 2010, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 04, 2010, 06:45:31 PM
If any player is serious about darts, and want to make a living out of it, the PDC is the only option.

Spot on. Its just i dont think the PDC appreciate the real work done by the BDO. PDC "fans" should quit cutting the branch they are standing on. This Fleet guy is certainy the fill of his jersey!!

Quote from: wallyman on January 04, 2010, 06:19:36 PM
Did Whitlock compete in the BDO a few years back?

Aye. Lost the final to Webster in 08.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 04, 2010, 07:13:23 PM
Shocking leg of darts in progress here between Adams and Fleet. After 21 darts Fleets is still on 246. Wolfie's not great either 24 after 21 darts.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: SambaSaffron on January 04, 2010, 07:13:53 PM
This lad is awful  :D
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: wallyman on January 04, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
wolfie is 1/10 to win 3-0, bet of the season!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 04, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
Didn`t even get a shot at a double i dont think? Shame that it got the 7 o clock slot.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: SambaSaffron on January 04, 2010, 07:45:19 PM
Was the big man pissed? Your man Gurney looks a bit of a twat. Wheres McCloskey from?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Celt_Man on January 04, 2010, 09:52:21 PM
How did McCloskey get on??
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Rav67 on January 04, 2010, 10:10:49 PM
Wouldn;t get snobby about the BDO, obviously good players graduate from it- its the natural progression as the BDO governs county darts, and good players will progress up the ladder from their pub team to the county and will then enter the BDO Championship.  If they are ambitious types they will go to the PDC eventually.

2 years ago the PDC Championships had low enough averages when Part won it, and there wasn;t much difference in standard from the QFs onwards that year- Webster, Whitlock etc all very impressive that year in the BDO tournament.  There seems to be a massive gap in standard this year however.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Celt_Man on January 04, 2010, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on January 04, 2010, 10:10:49 PM
Wouldn;t get snobby about the BDO, obviously good players graduate from it- its the natural progression as the BDO governs county darts, and good players will progress up the ladder from their pub team to the county and will then enter the BDO Championship.  If they are ambitious types they will go to the PDC eventually.

2 years ago the PDC Championships had low enough averages when Part won it, and there wasn;t much difference in standard from the QFs onwards that year- Webster, Whitlock etc all very impressive that year in the BDO tournament.  There seems to be a massive gap in standard this year however.

With the BDO still at the first round stage, is it not a bit early to be comparing the difference in standard this year??
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 04, 2010, 10:20:01 PM
No. It's even poor at this early stage.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Captain Black on January 05, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/darts/8440534.stm

painful to watch...
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 11:37:03 AM
Marty McCloskey ("The Fox", and by God he does look like one) marches on to Round 2. !!! Great stuff last night. Was 1-1, 2 up in the 3rd and blew it but showed a stealy nerve to win the 4th and 5th. If you saw it last night and what it meant to him and his Donegal faithful you couldn`t but be pleased for him. (Thats before some killjoy reminds us of the gulf in class) Gary Thompson awaits, (i think) who beat Ross Montgomery. Marty has a damn good shout i reckon and i hope he can pull it off! Only disappointment was i was sure the "Hills of Donegal" would be gettin a rattle but how and ever we`ll get over it.  Come on The Fox!!!! :)
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on January 05, 2010, 12:32:17 PM
thon big aussie guy had to be p1ssed; jees that first leg was poor! did he improve much/get any steadier on the feet?

wheres yer man gurney from?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: stpauls on January 05, 2010, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 05, 2010, 12:32:17 PM
wheres yer man gurney from?

i think he is from Omagh, as he had a sponser badge on his shirt that said The Weigh Inn Bar, Omagh.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
Gurney is from Derry, sorry Londonderry as he would prefer!. No Mr.Fleet couldn`t even master the art of transferring a dart from left hand to right without dropping it. Basic error at this level :). Kinda felt sorry for him. Travelling half way around the world for that.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 05, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
Heard he's a Derry man
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: sammymaguire on January 05, 2010, 01:01:20 PM
comedy gold here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/darts/8440519.stm

poor chap
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Rav67 on January 05, 2010, 02:28:18 PM
Had heard about this Fleet chap but just seeing it there now.  Had assumed he was suffering from that terrible affliction 'dartitis' but he just seems to be a bag of nerves.

Gurney's match was exciting, if he and McCloskey both win 2nd round it will set up an all-Ireland tussle...
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 05, 2010, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 05, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/darts/8440534.stm

painful to watch...

First round nerves my arse. He's pished as a fart. He nearly fell over at one point.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: tyroneboi on January 05, 2010, 05:50:43 PM

Quote from: Captain Black on January 05, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/darts/8440534.stm

painful to watch...

5 minutes to complete one leg of darts?  Brutal stuff!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 09:32:58 PM
What a cracker between Woods and Wagner. Wagner on a tie break 4 3 in sets. 
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 05, 2010, 09:53:26 PM
Brilliant, that woods is a cocky bastard
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: charlie linkbox on January 05, 2010, 10:00:49 PM
What time is McCloskey throwing at tomorrow?

Can't find the schedule on the BBC website.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: tyroneboi on January 05, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 09:32:58 PM
What a cracker between Woods and Wagner. Wagner on a tie break 4 3 in sets.

It was so bad it was hard not to watch it! how many doubles did they miss between them??
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 10:22:04 PM
Quote from: charlie linkbox on January 05, 2010, 10:00:49 PM
What time is McCloskey throwing at tomorrow?

Can't find the schedule on the BBC website.

9:15 or thereabouts
Quote from: tyroneboi on January 05, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 09:32:58 PM
What a cracker between Woods and Wagner. Wagner on a tie break 4 3 in sets.

It was so bad it was hard not to watch it! how many doubles did they miss between them??

Apologises, must remember to add "relatively speaking of course" to the end of each post.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2010, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 05, 2010, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 05, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/darts/8440534.stm

painful to watch...

First round nerves my arse. He's pished as a fart. He nearly fell over at one point.


I agree, no nerves that.  Funny all the same!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 11:57:03 PM
Good show from your Dave Chisnall fella. Bit of a fligher when he gets going. Finished with 96.7 average. Best so far. Plays Hankey. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 06, 2010, 08:36:58 PM
Looks like McCloskey will be up early. There hasnt been much competition tonight. 
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 06, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
Oh it was hard viewing. McCloskey lost 4-1. Was 2-1, 2 all in the 4th and your man checked out a shang18 when McCloskey had something handyish. Went further downhill from there.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: gerry on January 07, 2010, 01:35:46 AM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 05, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
Gurney is from Derry, sorry Londonderry as he would prefer!. No Mr.Fleet couldn`t even master the art of transferring a dart from left hand to right without dropping it. Basic error at this level :). Kinda felt sorry for him. Travelling half way around the world for that.

he was lucky to get through the last match

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on January 09, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
Chissie and Wolfie in what should be a novel final.

BDO is dead on it's knees. The comentary teams have been struggling to keep people watching. Bobby George looks bored/embarassed and O'Shea, Adams and Hankey looked bored up till later rounds. Adams (bar Phillips-ish) has had a piss walk to the final.  With most (ambitious) Players going to PDO, BDO deend on young talent coming up and there was no signs of it this year.

Look, as a terrestrial TV person and a romantic it saddens me to see its demise.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 09, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
How much would you get for Bobby George if you took him into one of those cash4gold shops?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: whiskeysteve on January 09, 2010, 11:44:22 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 09, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
How much would you get for Bobby George if you took him into one of those cash4gold shops?

He wins his 'trinkets' out of those machines in the amusements with the mechanical pickers.

"Cor blimey, i've won me a necklice i avvv!"
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 10, 2010, 12:29:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
Chissie and Wolfie in what should be a novel final.

BDO is dead on it's knees. The comentary teams have been struggling to keep people watching. Bobby George looks bored/embarassed and O'Shea, Adams and Hankey looked bored up till later rounds. Adams (bar Phillips-ish) has had a piss walk to the final.  With most (ambitious) Players going to PDO, BDO deend on young talent coming up and there was no signs of it this year.

Look, as a terrestrial TV person and a romantic it saddens me to see its demise.

Wouldnt be a huge fan of the BDO but caught a bit of both semi's today and thought they were decent. A lot better than the Taylor Webster semi on sky for example which was a non event. I didn't see the final averages but I think all four players averaged higher today than Webster did v Taylor (and that was with little missed doubles). Both winners averaged above what Barney threw in nearly all his matches.

The players might not be as good but at least there is a genuine competition. In the PDC it was obvious from the outset that Taylor would win the title and at no point was he in trouble (although Whitlock did throw well in final). The BDO tournament is a lot more open which makes it exciting.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
I dunno, I'm not a big Darts fan, although I have watched a bit of both tournaments. It seems to me that a bad throw in the PDC is 60 or 81 kind of thing. A bad throw in the BDO can be 25, 43, 11 any sort of mad number. Also the finishing seems to be a lot worse on BDO. You could be on 221 and know you'll still get a shot at an out even if the opponent is on 100 or less. That doesn't happen a lot on the PDC.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Istabraq on January 10, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 10, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
I dunno, I'm not a big Darts fan, although I have watched a bit of both tournaments. It seems to me that a bad throw in the PDC is 60 or 81 kind of thing. A bad throw in the BDO can be 25, 43, 11 any sort of mad number. Also the finishing seems to be a lot worse on BDO. You could be on 221 and know you'll still get a shot at an out even if the opponent is on 100 or less. That doesn't happen a lot on the PDC.
Chisnell took ot 164 in the second last leg and then won the game on the bull in the last leg
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2010, 11:36:25 AM
Quote from: Istabraq on January 10, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 10, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
I dunno, I'm not a big Darts fan, although I have watched a bit of both tournaments. It seems to me that a bad throw in the PDC is 60 or 81 kind of thing. A bad throw in the BDO can be 25, 43, 11 any sort of mad number. Also the finishing seems to be a lot worse on BDO. You could be on 221 and know you'll still get a shot at an out even if the opponent is on 100 or less. That doesn't happen a lot on the PDC.
Chisnell took ot 164 in the second last leg and then won the game on the bull in the last leg

There are exceptions of course. I'm not emotionally invested in either one to be honest, it's just my impression from watching it. I think the good lads are probably as good as many of the PDC ones, Adams, Chisnell, Hankey (maybe) and a few others could play in the PDC, like Whitlock and indeed Taylor and Barneveld. But there are more poor players in the BDO and as a result the tournament suffers.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 11:42:10 AM
The overall standard in the BDO is poor. Yes there are a few good players, but you would like to think they would be if they have been playing for 10/15 years. I have only seen a few matches, and as AZOffaly has said, the scoring is poor and the checkouts are also poor. I think it was in the Hankey/Chisnall game the other night, they must have had 12 darts each to try and finish a low enough double and kept missing and going bust. YVery rarely would you see that in the PDC.

I also seen someone mentioning that the semi-finals from both organistations were no different and the BDO boys would be ahead of Webster who was humiliated by Taylor in the PDC. I'll ask you this though, where did Webster come from last year? If it had of been any of the other BDO boys, Taylor would have done the same to them, if they even would have gotten that far.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 10, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
wasnt whitlock in the BDO not that long ago ?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 10, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
wasnt whitlock in the BDO not that long ago ?

I know, but there are exceptions. Like Barney in his 1st year in the PDC won it, and Whitlock and Webster in their 1st year got to the semi finals and final this year. If say Adams, Hankey, O'Shea, Chisnal etc had of been playing instead of Whitlock and Webster, would they have gotten to the semi-finals and final of the PDC this year? Going by the way they have been playing in the BDO, they wouldn't have had a chance. O'Shea probably would have got the furthest. Look at the others who were ranked so highly in the BDO and see how they have done since moved across - Klassen, Van Gerwen, etc.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 10, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
Chissie and Wolfie in what should be a novel final.

BDO is dead on it's knees. The comentary teams have been struggling to keep people watching. Bobby George looks bored/embarassed and O'Shea, Adams and Hankey looked bored up till later rounds. Adams (bar Phillips-ish) has had a piss walk to the final.  With most (ambitious) Players going to PDO, BDO deend on young talent coming up and there was no signs of it this year.

Look, as a terrestrial TV person and a romantic it saddens me to see its demise.

I agree with some of your sentiments, the atmosphere and the last few characters that are at the lakeside paint over what is (bar about 4 players) a poor field. It is sad to see it falling from its former glory as it is the home of darts and it takes one hell of a romantic to paint a positive future for it. Once the last few English stalwarts (Hankey, Adams and O Shea) finish along Bobby and Martin Fitzmaurice I can't see who is going to take over.

But its still seems to be hanging in there for the time being. Full houses all week and still a big viewing figures. For 08 "BBC viewing figures for the Lakeside Men's final peaked at 4.1 million, which represented a 15% share of the overall audience." Yes I can't see them figures happening this year but its still held with a high esteem in the U.K. That "Peoples Darts" competition has a lot of appeal to the U.K. dart players and it shows the respect that the Lakeside holds for them.

Yes as long as the PDC keep tapping into the BDO well (and its near dry for the time being), the overall standard is only going south but where are the likes of Whitlock, Webster and even Chisnell going to get their break?? PDC won't be taking a punt on any unaccomplished player so thats where the BDO come in. It may only be a means to bigger things but any regular pub/county player first goal is to throw at the Lakeside and this is the corner stone of its survival.  And even though the standard mightn`t be to your liking and any one with the means to watch PDC will, the Lakeside still has a market and following in the UK
Now come on Chizzy!!!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 02:12:21 PM
Why then if the BDO is on it's knee's, did they reject a £1m buyout from the PDC, as well as a further promise of £1m to inject into the game?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 10, 2010, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 11:42:10 AM
The overall standard in the BDO is poor. Yes there are a few good players, but you would like to think they would be if they have been playing for 10/15 years. I have only seen a few matches, and as AZOffaly has said, the scoring is poor and the checkouts are also poor. I think it was in the Hankey/Chisnall game the other night, they must have had 12 darts each to try and finish a low enough double and kept missing and going bust. YVery rarely would you see that in the PDC.

Shit happens, doesn't mean it's endemic in the BDO for christs sake. 

There's little doubt the PDC is a higher standard, as someone who watches a fair bit of darts, I think there's as much dross in the PDC as there is in the BDO.  Taylor is such a phenomenom that his averages etc..mask a lot of the average players there are.  The premier league being a prime example, only Taylor, Wade, Barney & Jenkins (Lewis at a push) are worth watching.

The PDC semis this year were contested by 2 recent BDO defectees - Webster & Whitlock.  The biggest concern the BDO must have is that it is in effect acting as a nursery for the PDC
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Tots on January 10, 2010, 03:12:57 PM
The BDO is the Tommy Murphy Cup


Let them have their day in the sun
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
This is the weakest BDO tournament yet, but we've still got in prospect an excellent final between two guys capable of throwing 100 averages - enough to take out anyone in the PDC bar Taylor. This is kind of proven in the fact that Taylor almost always meets a BDO graduate in the PDC final each year.

As mentioned above, Phil Taylor's presence kind of skews all statistics for the PDC tournament. It's worth noting that for years the BDO have been quite happy to release statistics for averages and checkouts for every match, and overall figures for their tournament. The PDC were not always quite so forthcoming.


The biggest problem the BDO has had this year is the lack of big finishes. Up until Chisnall's 164 yesterday, the biggest out was 131. Most pub premier leagues would have better checkouts than 131 on a weekly basis.

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 10, 2010, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 10, 2010, 03:50:05 PM

Up until Chisnall's 164 yesterday, the biggest out was 131.



Bit wobbly on the old statistics there  ::)
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on October 30, 2010, 03:46:17 PM
"The fox" Martin McCloskey is back!! Just through to the semis of the World Masters on bbc..God bless the BDO!!  ;D 
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on October 31, 2010, 02:57:26 AM
Absolute ball of dung! Cudnt look at it!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: SHEEDY on October 31, 2010, 10:11:56 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on October 31, 2010, 02:57:26 AM
Absolute ball of dung! Cudnt look at it/quote] totally agree. not a patch on pdc. the players on the bdo are brutal. some of the averages are shocking.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: 13aside on October 31, 2010, 01:37:26 PM
saw chisnall play in bellinis newry last year,was a bit iffy at times but saw him checkout a 170 and then an 11 dart leg can be outstanding at times but agree that this tourney at the minute on bbc is behind the sky worlds,also in bellinis saw a bloke hit two 180s in one leg and lost it!-some good some bad,but must recomment the day in newry was excellent entertainment with about five hundredplayers and fans (yes500) on the premisis at lunchtime!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 03, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
Is anybody watching much of the Lakeside this year? Saw a bit of the first round and thought the standard was pretty decent. Ok its the last 32, rather than the last 64 but I thought it was comparable with the first round at the Ally Pally and certainly more evenly matched. The Count, Silverback and Daryll "Madness" Fitton all gone which will make for a lack of characters as the tournament. Conquerer of the PDC boys and Grand Slam champion Scott Waites would have to be the favourite you'd think.

The organisation by the administrators has been disastrous though. 3 or 4 times I've seen them having to correct scores, it has even happened when boys were looking a finish. Then to cap it all off today, Robbie Green was 2-0 up in sets and 2-1 up in legs playing Andy Boulton, Green had 201 left and drew a treble 20, a twenty and a five which was close to the wire with the big twenty. 85 scored and that graphic came up on the BBC scoreboard. But the announcer called out 100 and the BBC changed their graphic to count the ton. Then Green stepped up looking 101 to win the match but it should have been 116. He scores 85, having missed double 16 then comes back and hits double 8 to win the match. But he took out the wrong scores. I had a look at it a couple of times on sky plus and I'm convinced they've made a really embarassing error. Did anybody else see it?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Big Puff on January 03, 2011, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 03, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
Is anybody watching much of the Lakeside this year? Saw a bit of the first round and thought the standard was pretty decent. Ok its the last 32, rather than the last 64 but I thought it was comparable with the first round at the Ally Pally and certainly more evenly matched. The Count, Silverback and Daryll "Madness" Fitton all gone which will make for a lack of characters as the tournament. Conquerer of the PDC boys and Grand Slam champions Scott Waites would have to be the favourite you'd think.

The organisation by the administrators has been disastrous though. 3 or 4 times I've seen them having to correct scores, it has even happened when boys were looking a finish. Then to cap it all off today, Robbie Green was 2-0 up in sets and 2-1 up in legs playing Andy Boulton, Green had 201 left and drew a treble 20, a twenty and a five which was close to the wire with the big twenty. 85 scored and that graphic came up on the BBC scoreboard. But the announcer called out 100 and the BBC changed their graphic to count the ton. Then Green stepped up looking 101 to win the match but it should have been 116. He scores 85, having missed double 16 then comes back and hits double 8 to win the match. But he took out the wrong scores. I had a look at it a couple of times on sky plus and I'm convinced they've made a really embarassing error. Did anybody else see it?

no.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: tyroneboi on January 03, 2011, 06:38:58 PM
Scott Waites is apparantly moving to the PDC after this tournament.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 06, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
That Robson is a w**ker, starring out to the crowd after he wins a leg. Come on to fcuk Phillips!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: BennyHarp on January 06, 2011, 09:21:17 PM
Backed Phillips each way at the start of the tournament at 16/1 so at least he's giving me a run for my money!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 06, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 03, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
Is anybody watching much of the Lakeside this year? Saw a bit of the first round and thought the standard was pretty decent. Ok its the last 32, rather than the last 64 but I thought it was comparable with the first round at the Ally Pally and certainly more evenly matched. The Count, Silverback and Daryll "Madness" Fitton all gone which will make for a lack of characters as the tournament. Conquerer of the PDC boys and Grand Slam champion Scott Waites would have to be the favourite you'd think.

The organisation by the administrators has been disastrous though. 3 or 4 times I've seen them having to correct scores, it has even happened when boys were looking a finish. Then to cap it all off today, Robbie Green was 2-0 up in sets and 2-1 up in legs playing Andy Boulton, Green had 201 left and drew a treble 20, a twenty and a five which was close to the wire with the big twenty. 85 scored and that graphic came up on the BBC scoreboard. But the announcer called out 100 and the BBC changed their graphic to count the ton. Then Green stepped up looking 101 to win the match but it should have been 116. He scores 85, having missed double 16 then comes back and hits double 8 to win the match. But he took out the wrong scores. I had a look at it a couple of times on sky plus and I'm convinced they've made a really embarassing error. Did anybody else see it?
Have watched bits every day and the other day they were giving off about the standard of the boards due to the number of bounce outs. Basically said winmau needed to sort themselves out!

You sure the player didn't miscount?

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: OverTheBlackSpot on January 06, 2011, 10:17:34 PM
Theres a wile bang of the board on the bbc, heard that the winmau borad is harder. But the PDC is a class show.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 06, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 06, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 03, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
Is anybody watching much of the Lakeside this year? Saw a bit of the first round and thought the standard was pretty decent. Ok its the last 32, rather than the last 64 but I thought it was comparable with the first round at the Ally Pally and certainly more evenly matched. The Count, Silverback and Daryll "Madness" Fitton all gone which will make for a lack of characters as the tournament. Conquerer of the PDC boys and Grand Slam champion Scott Waites would have to be the favourite you'd think.

The organisation by the administrators has been disastrous though. 3 or 4 times I've seen them having to correct scores, it has even happened when boys were looking a finish. Then to cap it all off today, Robbie Green was 2-0 up in sets and 2-1 up in legs playing Andy Boulton, Green had 201 left and drew a treble 20, a twenty and a five which was close to the wire with the big twenty. 85 scored and that graphic came up on the BBC scoreboard. But the announcer called out 100 and the BBC changed their graphic to count the ton. Then Green stepped up looking 101 to win the match but it should have been 116. He scores 85, having missed double 16 then comes back and hits double 8 to win the match. But he took out the wrong scores. I had a look at it a couple of times on sky plus and I'm convinced they've made a really embarassing error. Did anybody else see it?
Have watched bits every day and the other day they were giving off about the standard of the boards due to the number of bounce outs. Basically said winmau needed to sort themselves out!

You sure the player didn't miscount?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xc2kb/Darts_World_Championships_2011_Day_3_Part_1/

Have a look for yourself and see what you think. 3 hours and 13 minutes in.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 06, 2011, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 06, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 06, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 03, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
Is anybody watching much of the Lakeside this year? Saw a bit of the first round and thought the standard was pretty decent. Ok its the last 32, rather than the last 64 but I thought it was comparable with the first round at the Ally Pally and certainly more evenly matched. The Count, Silverback and Daryll "Madness" Fitton all gone which will make for a lack of characters as the tournament. Conquerer of the PDC boys and Grand Slam champion Scott Waites would have to be the favourite you'd think.

The organisation by the administrators has been disastrous though. 3 or 4 times I've seen them having to correct scores, it has even happened when boys were looking a finish. Then to cap it all off today, Robbie Green was 2-0 up in sets and 2-1 up in legs playing Andy Boulton, Green had 201 left and drew a treble 20, a twenty and a five which was close to the wire with the big twenty. 85 scored and that graphic came up on the BBC scoreboard. But the announcer called out 100 and the BBC changed their graphic to count the ton. Then Green stepped up looking 101 to win the match but it should have been 116. He scores 85, having missed double 16 then comes back and hits double 8 to win the match. But he took out the wrong scores. I had a look at it a couple of times on sky plus and I'm convinced they've made a really embarassing error. Did anybody else see it?
Have watched bits every day and the other day they were giving off about the standard of the boards due to the number of bounce outs. Basically said winmau needed to sort themselves out!

You sure the player didn't miscount?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xc2kb/Darts_World_Championships_2011_Day_3_Part_1/

Have a look for yourself and see what you think. 3 hours and 13 minutes in.
:o Aye you're spot on - def should have been throwing for 116 instead of 101. Big ballsup by whoever was manning the scoreboard...
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: All of a Sludden on January 06, 2013, 01:31:07 AM
26
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: micko12368 on January 06, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Any number random then 45!!!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: All of a Sludden on January 06, 2013, 09:02:09 PM
FFS this is poor, opening leg must have been at least 30 darts. One player on double 5, the other on 5. The womens game before was much better.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on January 06, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Ah, with the seeping of players to the other side. This competition is for Players who can be big fish in a small pool such as  O'se, King, Fritton etc. It's also a stepping stone for emerging talent who need to build up their confidence. Still as a person who likes Darts, i rather BBC coverage to Sky and the Lakeside looks to be a real homely venue!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2013, 02:03:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 06, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Ah, with the seeping of players to the other side. This competition is for Players who can be big fish in a small pool such as  O'se, King, Fritton etc. It's also a stepping stone for emerging talent who need to build up their confidence. Still as a person who likes Darts, i rather BBC coverage to Sky and the Lakeside looks to be a real homely venue!

That's the very worst part of it for me. It looks like they popped down the local leisure centre and are the warm-up act for one of Brendan Grace's smaller shows.

Really twee and unappealing to the majority of viewers and the BDO's adherence to that venue when they should have seized the day years ago and advanced the sport tells you everything about why the PDC exists. The sooner the PDC can buy out the BDO and reenergize the sport from county level up the better.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2013, 02:03:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 06, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Ah, with the seeping of players to the other side. This competition is for Players who can be big fish in a small pool such as  O'se, King, Fritton etc. It's also a stepping stone for emerging talent who need to build up their confidence. Still as a person who likes Darts, i rather BBC coverage to Sky and the Lakeside looks to be a real homely venue!

That's the very worst part of it for me. It looks like they popped down the local leisure centre and are the warm-up act for one of Brendan Grace's smaller shows.

Really twee and unappealing to the majority of viewers and the BDO's adherence to that venue when they should have seized the day years ago and advanced the sport tells you everything about why the PDC exists. The sooner the PDC can buy out the BDO and reenergize the sport from county level up the better.

See, I'd call these things mutually exclusive. The PDC was created with a sole purpose of to look after the interests of the elite. It is of course possible to do that while helping out the little man, but those actions are about as natural as clipping your toenails with a garden strimmer.


The BDO tournament has undoubtedly gotten stale to the point that it's becoming moribund.

It's really not helped by the fact that its opening rounds with low-80s averages take place right after the PDC final stages, with 100-averages the norm. It's not really comparing like with like, as the early rounds of the PDC are a much lower standard too (if not quite as low).

But the entertainment in darts is also about characters, and BBC/ESPN just don't seem to be able to produce/talk up/portray characters. It doesn't help again that the BDO tournament  is half made up of a cast who will never be seen again, and half made up with a group of fogies who prefer the staler environment.

It is kind of doomed.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 07, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
BDO guaranteed a new world champion before the first round is even complete!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Cold tea on January 07, 2013, 02:29:47 PM
Bobby George doesnt help - he is a complete ballbag!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: rodney trotter on January 07, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Barneveld was playing BDO for years before making the move to PDC.

BDO is a mixed bag of good players and players who are BDO standard but not beyond that.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 07, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/darts/20903601 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/darts/20903601)
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 07, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 07, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Barneveld was playing BDO for years before making the move to PDC.

In common with many players. I just looked up the top 16 in the PDC rankings to see how many have not played in the BDO world championships. I was expecting it to be very few, but its actually 6 (Lewis, Hamilton, Newton, Pipe, Nicholson, TJenkins).
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 09, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
Some good action last night, Fitton Bunting was a great game.. Shame it didnt go the distance.. Jason Cullen  throwing now.. Be nice to see an Irish man in the quarters..
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: All of a Sludden on January 09, 2013, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 09, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
Jason Cullen  throwing now.. Be nice to see an Irish man in the quarters..

He has just hit his first 180, but his finishing has been terrible. His highest checkout of the tournament is 61.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on January 09, 2013, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 09, 2013, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 09, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
Jason Cullen  throwing now.. Be nice to see an Irish man in the quarters..

He has just hit his first 180, but his finishing has been terrible. His highest checkout of the tournament is 61.

61!.. Thats a modest number.. Looking like straight sets the way its going now.. Ya wouldn't think Jason is just 24!.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 11, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGeYrDWOuFw&feature=player_detailpage

Wayne Mardle just a wee bit upset. I thought he had giving up the arrows.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: BennyHarp on January 13, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
That last set was brutal stuff
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: All of a Sludden on January 13, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
All over 7-1. It never really got going in fairness.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on January 13, 2013, 07:33:04 PM
Ah, Tony O'Shea flopped. He was like a Bull all the way to the final, bulldozing past opponents. But this evening the occasion just got to him again.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
Too easy for Scotty, he'd be more than fit for PDC, he's turned them down before, wonder was he looking the kudos of a World Title before jumping ship?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: theticklemister on January 13, 2013, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
Too easy for Scotty, he'd be more than fit for PDC, he's turned them down before, wonder was he looking the kudos of a World Title before jumping ship?

Whats the average score for three darts for a bdo and pdc player??
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 13, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 07, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 07, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Barneveld was playing BDO for years before making the move to PDC.

In common with many players. I just looked up the top 16 in the PDC rankings to see how many have not played in the BDO world championships. I was expecting it to be very few, but its actually 6 (Lewis, Hamilton, Newton, Pipe, Nicholson, TJenkins).

Jenkins definitely played BDO. Waites will surely be tempted to make the switch now.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 13, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 07, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 07, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Barneveld was playing BDO for years before making the move to PDC.

In common with many players. I just looked up the top 16 in the PDC rankings to see how many have not played in the BDO world championships. I was expecting it to be very few, but its actually 6 (Lewis, Hamilton, Newton, Pipe, Nicholson, TJenkins).

Jenkins definitely played BDO. Waites will surely be tempted to make the switch now.

I'd say it's only inevitable that he makes the mover. He was a lot more relaxed and confident compard to O Shea. Doubt Tony will ever win it. Can't hack it in the finals.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on January 13, 2013, 07:43:30 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
Too easy for Scotty, he'd be more than fit for PDC, he's turned them down before, wonder was he looking the kudos of a World Title before jumping ship?

Yeah, I'd say so. BDO title is not what it was a few years ago, but it is still a nice title to win. I think i noticed that the players/commentators/etc have been calling it the Lakeside title rather than the World title?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 13, 2013, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
Too easy for Scotty, he'd be more than fit for PDC, he's turned them down before, wonder was he looking the kudos of a World Title before jumping ship?

Whats the average score for three darts for a bdo and pdc player??
No idea, Pdc by a mile i'd imagine. Waites has won an open tourament thou, Grand Slam of Darts, beating all the PDC had to offer. Listening to Waites there, he doesn't sound like a man about to move, down to earth working man type.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 08:05:04 PM
Www.dartsdatabase.co.uk is great for stats
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 08:46:09 PM
Some horrible darts there this evening. The highlight being Waite's score of 7 (1, T1, 3)!  ;D
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 14, 2013, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 13, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 07, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 07, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Barneveld was playing BDO for years before making the move to PDC.

In common with many players. I just looked up the top 16 in the PDC rankings to see how many have not played in the BDO world championships. I was expecting it to be very few, but its actually 6 (Lewis, Hamilton, Newton, Pipe, Nicholson, TJenkins).

Jenkins definitely played BDO. Waites will surely be tempted to make the switch now.
Jenkins never played at BDO World Championships. Andy Jenkins did alright, but not Terry.

Jeez Waites-O'Shea was a terribly poor final. Nearly 20 years since the winner didnt have a 90+ average. Waites averaged 86 overall, and only got over 90 in two of the eight sets.

Be interesting to see what Waites does next. He is the best in the BDO, and had O'Shea pushed him I'm sure he'd have played better. But I think other than the year of the initial split, no current BDO world champion has ever defected. Premier League spots have already been allocated so that's not an option either.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Franko on January 14, 2013, 10:33:19 AM
BDO Championship - 3 dart average - 84.96
PDC Championship - 3 dart average - 91.14
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on December 29, 2013, 08:04:51 PM
BDO world Championship starts on the weekend. Wonder how much life is left in this competition? Every year there are less and less of the familiar names.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 05, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Robbie Green (4th seed) looked deadly there, 9/1 with Bet365 to win outright, think i'll have a bit of that (scud alert).
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: DownFanatic on January 05, 2014, 11:38:33 PM
Know nothing about darts. PDC better than BDO? Much crossover between players?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Robbie Green (4th seed) looked deadly there, 9/1 with Bet365 to win outright, think i'll have a bit of that (scud alert).

To be fair Boy George wasn't up to much.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 12:02:25 AM
A great tournament where the real darts fans gather at the home of darts to watch in a friendly, convivial atmosphere, thankfully far removed from the drunken Oi Oi Oi brigade of the pdc (pathetic, drunk crowd).

Lakeside is always one of the sporting highlights of the year.

BDO = Best Darts Organisation.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 12:29:33 AM
Quote from: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 12:02:25 AM
A great tournament where the real darts fans gather at the home of darts to watch in a friendly, convivial atmosphere, thankfully far removed from the drunken Oi Oi Oi brigade of the pdc (pathetic, drunk crowd).

Lakeside is always one of the sporting highlights of the year.

BDO = Best Darts Organisation.

It always makes for vaguely depressing viewing for me. Sky nailed darts. Darts can be very easily boring and by going over the top they hit on the forumla that works in pro wrestling, boxing and MMA. It's a show because it needs to be.

The BDO almost murdered darts as a spectator sport.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: NAG1 on January 06, 2014, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 12:29:33 AM
Quote from: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 12:02:25 AM
A great tournament where the real darts fans gather at the home of darts to watch in a friendly, convivial atmosphere, thankfully far removed from the drunken Oi Oi Oi brigade of the pdc (pathetic, drunk crowd).

Lakeside is always one of the sporting highlights of the year.

BDO = Best Darts Organisation.

It always makes for vaguely depressing viewing for me. Sky nailed darts. Darts can be very easily boring and by going over the top they hit on the forumla that works in pro wrestling, boxing and MMA. It's a show because it needs to be.

The BDO almost murdered darts as a spectator sport.

This was your first mistake!  ;)
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Robbie Green (4th seed) looked deadly there, 9/1 with Bet365 to win outright, think i'll have a bit of that (scud alert).

To be fair Boy George wasn't up to much.

I honestly believe I could have beat him, and 90% of pub darts players probably could have as well says it all for a so called world championship.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 06, 2014, 11:55:15 AM

This was your first mistake!  ;)
As the great Martin Adams, England captain for 20 years, says, the BDO "is the sport".

The pdc is a WWE-style pantomime.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Robbie Green (4th seed) looked deadly there, 9/1 with Bet365 to win outright, think i'll have a bit of that (scud alert).

To be fair Boy George wasn't up to much.

I honestly believe I could have beat him, and 90% of pub darts players probably could have as well says it all for a so called world championship.

Kong isn't the world three dart average record holder for nothing.

Richie had a bad day but as last year's World Champion Scott Waites said after his first round defeat, darts is all on the day and Richie wasn't the first and won't be the last player to falter under the pressure on that famous Lakeside stage.

He's a class player though with a great darting pedigree, and he'll be back.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Robbie Green (4th seed) looked deadly there, 9/1 with Bet365 to win outright, think i'll have a bit of that (scud alert).

To be fair Boy George wasn't up to much.

I honestly believe I could have beat him, and 90% of pub darts players probably could have as well says it all for a so called world championship.

Kong isn't the world three dart average record holder for nothing.

Richie had a bad day but as last year's World Champion Scott Waites said after his first round defeat, darts is all on the day and Richie wasn't the first and won't be the last player to falter under the pressure on that famous Lakeside stage.

He's a class player though with a great darting pedigree, and he'll be back.

Can't wait - some of the 37's he was hitting were top drawer!!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
Surely all sports / games are on the day - is darts an exceptional game?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
Surely all sports / games are on the day - is darts an exceptional game?
Darts, and particularly Lakeside, certainly carries more of an "on the day" element than other sports.

The eyes of the world are on every player, picking up their body language. An opponent can smell any weakness. It's a battle of will and character as much as skill.

The pressure of the Lakeside stage can humble even the very best. Scott Waites, the defending World Champion, certainly knows this.

Martin Adams, England captain for 20 years, took over a decade to learn how to deal with his nerves on that stage.

Lakeside is like Wembley, Wimbledon, and the Crucible all rolled into one.

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
Surely all sports / games are on the day - is darts an exceptional game?
Darts, and particularly Lakeside, certainly carries more of an "on the day" element than other sports.

The eyes of the world are on every player, picking up their body language. An opponent can smell any weakness. It's a battle of will and character as much as skill.

The pressure of the Lakeside stage can humble even the very best. Scott Waites, the defending World Champion, certainly knows this.

Martin Adams, England captain for 20 years, took over a decade to learn how to deal with his nerves on that stage.

Lakeside is like Wembley, Wimbledon, and the Crucible all rolled into one.

Also terrified of the PDC. Don't forget that part.

To call the BDO champion a world champion at this stage is stretching reality a little thin.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 05:37:47 PM

Also terrified of the PDC. Don't forget that part.

To call the BDO champion a world champion at this stage is stretching reality a little thin.
Martin Adams defeated Adrian Lewis at the Circus Tavern in 2011 in the "Battle of the Champions".

That's only as you'd expect, though.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
Surely all sports / games are on the day - is darts an exceptional game?
Darts, and particularly Lakeside, certainly carries more of an "on the day" element than other sports.

The eyes of the world are on every player, picking up their body language. An opponent can smell any weakness. It's a battle of will and character as much as skill.

The pressure of the Lakeside stage can humble even the very best. Scott Waites, the defending World Champion, certainly knows this.

Martin Adams, England captain for 20 years, took over a decade to learn how to deal with his nerves on that stage.

Lakeside is like Wembley, Wimbledon, and the Crucible all rolled into one.

You must be taking the piss.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 05:54:46 PM

You must be taking the piss.
The only time taking the piss happens at Lakeside is when the players go to the bathroom during the interval of the final.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
At least the supporters get to drink a few pints during the matches, ffs they are getting out in 24 darts in many cases.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 06, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
Absolutely gutted for Michael Meaney but a tremendously brave effort from the young Kilkenny man as he was edged out 3-2 by Scotland's World Cup-winning captain Ross "The Boss" Montgomery.

I've no doubt that with a bit more experience he can come back and make a real push for the title over the coming years.

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Armaghgael on January 07, 2014, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Robbie Green (4th seed) looked deadly there, 9/1 with Bet365 to win outright, think i'll have a bit of that (scud alert).

Followed you and done him at 8s
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 07:37:20 PM
Rick Hofstra can be got at anywhere between 50 and 80/1.

Given his average of over 90 in his first round win over Remco van Eijden, that' represents excellent value.

Dutch darts is very strong and young players from there have a habit of coming out of nowhere to win the world title - Jelle Klaasen and Christian Kist for instance.

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 07, 2014, 08:22:46 PM
You've a suspiciously impressive knowledge of BDO goings-on. An elaborate O'Neill creation? :P

Watching bits & pieces on the Red button here, the quality is intermittent & sporadic. Kist v Wilson is decent so far. It's no high end PDC game to be fair.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Darts doesn't get much better than that match between James Wilson and Christian Kist. Both players averaged 96, which, given that the trebles on a pdc board are 30% bigger, would translate to around 125 on a Unicorn as opposed to the official, BDO/WDF-approved Winmau board.

The title could well be heading back to Yorkshire - there was certainly nothing jammy about that win for the "Jammy Dodger" - and Kist played as well as he has since he won the world title two years ago.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Linkbox on January 07, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Darts doesn't get much better than that match between James Wilson and Christian Kist. Both players averaged 96, which, given that the trebles on a pdc board are 30% bigger, would translate to around 125 on a Unicorn as opposed to the official, BDO/WDF-approved Winmau board.

The title could well be heading back to Yorkshire - there was certainly nothing jammy about that win for the "Jammy Dodger" - and Kist played as well as he has since he won the world title two years ago.

Never heard that stat about the dart board before Sid. Why is that? 
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Linkbox on January 07, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Darts doesn't get much better than that match between James Wilson and Christian Kist. Both players averaged 96, which, given that the trebles on a pdc board are 30% bigger, would translate to around 125 on a Unicorn as opposed to the official, BDO/WDF-approved Winmau board.

The title could well be heading back to Yorkshire - there was certainly nothing jammy about that win for the "Jammy Dodger" - and Kist played as well as he has since he won the world title two years ago.

Never heard that stat about the dart board before Sid. Why is that?

The only difference is PDC boards use razor thin wire rather than the motorway crash barrier 'wire' used on BDO boards.

PDC players play at a far higher level than BDO players and to try and reduce a big average score differential down to a difference in wire width is like Kilkenny saying if the goals were 30% bigger they'd definitely have beaten Kerry in the football.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 07, 2014, 10:51:23 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Keep her lit Sid, getting a good laugh here.

BDO = pure scrap
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: muppet on January 07, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Linkbox on January 07, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Darts doesn't get much better than that match between James Wilson and Christian Kist. Both players averaged 96, which, given that the trebles on a pdc board are 30% bigger, would translate to around 125 on a Unicorn as opposed to the official, BDO/WDF-approved Winmau board.

The title could well be heading back to Yorkshire - there was certainly nothing jammy about that win for the "Jammy Dodger" - and Kist played as well as he has since he won the world title two years ago.

Never heard that stat about the dart board before Sid. Why is that?

The only difference is PDC boards use razor thin wire rather than the motorway crash barrier 'wire' used on BDO boards.

PDC players play at a far hiring level than BDO players and to try and reduce a big average score differential down to a difference in wire width is like Kilkenny saying if the goals were 30% bigger that'd definitely have beaten Kerry in the football.

Do they sign contracts with very long pens?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Linkbox on January 07, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Darts doesn't get much better than that match between James Wilson and Christian Kist. Both players averaged 96, which, given that the trebles on a pdc board are 30% bigger, would translate to around 125 on a Unicorn as opposed to the official, BDO/WDF-approved Winmau board.

The title could well be heading back to Yorkshire - there was certainly nothing jammy about that win for the "Jammy Dodger" - and Kist played as well as he has since he won the world title two years ago.

Never heard that stat about the dart board before Sid. Why is that?

The only difference is PDC boards use razor thin wire rather than the motorway crash barrier 'wire' used on BDO boards.

PDC players play at a far hiring level than BDO players and to try and reduce a big average score differential down to a difference in wire width is like Kilkenny saying if the goals were 30% bigger that'd definitely have beaten Kerry in the football.

Do they sign contracts with very long pens?

Why'd you go editing my post you big Rhubarb  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 11:55:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 10:13:25 PM


The only difference is PDC boards use razor thin wire rather than the motorway crash barrier 'wire' used on BDO boards.

PDC players play at a far higher level than BDO players and to try and reduce a big average score differential down to a difference in wire width is like Kilkenny saying if the goals were 30% bigger they'd definitely have beaten Kerry in the football.
That's not a valid comparison as Kerry would have 30% bigger goals to shoot into as well. BDO players don't get to shoot at the generously sized trebles on a Unicorn.

Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2014, 11:00:38 PM

Do they sign contracts with very long pens?
Phil Taylor has certainly been known to attempt to dip his wick where its not wanted in the past, although how long it is I don't know, in fact I don't want to know.

Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 08, 2014, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on January 07, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 07, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Darts doesn't get much better than that match between James Wilson and Christian Kist. Both players averaged 96, which, given that the trebles on a pdc board are 30% bigger, would translate to around 125 on a Unicorn as opposed to the official, BDO/WDF-approved Winmau board.

The title could well be heading back to Yorkshire - there was certainly nothing jammy about that win for the "Jammy Dodger" - and Kist played as well as he has since he won the world title two years ago.

Never heard that stat about the dart board before Sid. Why is that?
You never heard it, because its a gross exaggeration!

Unicorn have always been ahead of Winmau in technology/innovation stakes, they got rid of the staples on the board first, they moved from fat round wires to thin triangular wires first, so down through the years there would be a marginally bigger  scoring area and significantly fewer bounceouts in PDC events compared to BDO events (although oddly the Winmau bull has generally been marginally bigger than the Unicorn bull).

But now Winmau claim their new Blade IV dartboard is finally the equal of the Unicorn Eclipse, so there should be no difference now between boards in PDC and BDO.


Martin Adams seems to be back in form, taking all 9 legs v Tony O'Shea yesterday. Hadnt realised Adams had got divorced from the wife. She was nearly as famous as him for her reactions!
I'd like to see Bunting win it though.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 09, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Bunting in some form last night 100.3 average on a night of good quality darts. See Bunting would be due to meet Kong in Semi :-\
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 09, 2014, 03:49:10 PM
pdc boards having 30% bigger trebles may be a conservative estimate, if anything.

(http://www.doublefinish.com/vbul/image.php?u=2755&type=sigpic&dateline=1389124788)

Wolfie back in the quarter-finals where he'll take on Jan Dekker, after the England captain beat the Scotland captain Ross Montgomery this afternoon. It's as strong a quarter-final line-up as I can remember - and look at the list of players that have already gone out - Waites, O'Shea, Kist, Harms, Big Robbo etc.

Lovely darts.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 10, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Green has no chance V Bunting if he has another dose of the Yips on his doubles like he did last night.

Wolfie looks in trouble v Dekker on the red button
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 10, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Adams out.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2014, 08:42:56 PM
Why does Bunting have that strange smirk on his gob the whole time?
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 10, 2014, 09:09:57 PM
He's an awful sight trying to play to the crowd.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: laceer on January 11, 2014, 01:33:10 PM
Norris v Wilson was as good a game of darts as I've seen. Worth checking out on iPlayer
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 11, 2014, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: laceer on January 11, 2014, 01:33:10 PM
Norris v Wilson was as good a game of darts as I've seen. Worth checking out on iPlayer

Yeah great game. Some very high Shot outs and high scoring . However these games are few and far between . It's been over 20 years since there has been a 9 dart finish in Lakeside and there is 52 grand for anyone that does it . I think they have stopped the prize money for anyone the achieves a 9 darter in the pdc because it happens that often.     
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 11, 2014, 03:52:23 PM
No, Jenkins & the Aussie Beau Anderson? shared something, 50k maybe?

Is the bigger treble bed a true bill? Has to be a factor if it is.

Green is filling the pants here, though Bunting is throwing very well.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 11, 2014, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: laceer on January 11, 2014, 01:33:10 PM
Norris v Wilson was as good a game of darts as I've seen. Worth checking out on iPlayer

Yeah great game. Some very high Shot outs and high scoring . However these games are few and far between . It's been over 20 years since there has been a 9 dart finish in Lakeside and there is 52 grand for anyone that does it . I think they have stopped the prize money for anyone the achieves a 9 darter in the pdc because it happens that often.   

30k prize fund for the 9 dart finish at this year's WC. Jenkins and Anderson split it after scoring them in back-to-back losing first round performances. Shows the sheer depth of the PDC now.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: timmyot501 on January 11, 2014, 10:03:58 PM
Chuck v decker wuz a right match. That 158 check out by jan wuz some hit under pressure. Norris last 30 wuz class too. Missed 15s by a mile and without breaking stride flung in a 7 and banged in double 4. If he had of thought about it he prob would have missed. Hope its a good final. Family guy to win i reckon.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
Really is proper darts played in front of people who go to watch darts.

Whatever about the standard it is refreshing to watch.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 12, 2014, 09:10:33 PM
Great darts from Stephen Bunting. He's a worthy world champion. Terrific final with both players hitting 180s for fun. Chuck had a great tournament.

Inevitably there will now be talk of a "unification" showdown between the two champions but I don't think it would be much of a contest, good as ladies champion Lisa Ashton is.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
Really is proper darts played in front of people who go to watch darts.

Whatever about the standard it is refreshing to watch.

Looked like a retirement home to me.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 10:09:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 12, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
Really is proper darts played in front of people who go to watch darts.

Whatever about the standard it is refreshing to watch.

Looked like a retirement home to me.

Great crowd though.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I enjoy the auld Darts. The two Worlds are great this time of year. But unlike Snooker where you have a real Champion. You are left with two lads here looking over their shoulder when the name World champion is bandied about for the year!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 12, 2014, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 12, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
Really is proper darts played in front of people who go to watch darts.

Whatever about the standard it is refreshing to watch.

Looked like a retirement home to me.
There's nothing to touch the audience at the Lakeside. Exactly how a darts audience should behave. You won't find a more knowledgeable and passionate audience in world sport.

The difference between the BDO and pdc is summed up by he amount of women in the respective audiences. At Lakeside, women make up a high proportion of the audience and are treated with respect.

At the Ally Pally the few women who brave to attend are leered at by drunken morons in a threatening and aggressive manner. A nasty, misogynistic atmosphere prevails.

The social functions that each organisation strives towards are obvious: the BDO furthers the cause of gender equality, while the pdc seeks to drag women back into the dark ages.

I know which side I'd rather be on.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 12, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I enjoy the auld Darts. The two Worlds are great this time of year. But unlike Snooker where you have a real Champion. You are left with two lads here looking over their shoulder when the name World champion is bandied about for the year!

In all honesty it's pretty easy to see that MVG is the real world champion. Even the die-hard darts fans have given up on the notion of the Lakeside being a genuine World Championship. It's a feeder tournament for the PDC at this point, you do well in the BDO and you'll make the jump to PDC where you can be an actual pro. The 2012 Lakeside champion Christian Kist switched over just this week.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 12, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 12, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I enjoy the auld Darts. The two Worlds are great this time of year. But unlike Snooker where you have a real Champion. You are left with two lads here looking over their shoulder when the name World champion is bandied about for the year!

In all honesty it's pretty easy to see that MVG is the real world champion. Even the die-hard darts fans have given up on the notion of the Lakeside being a genuine World Championship. It's a feeder tournament for the PDC at this point, you do well in the BDO and you'll make the jump to PDC where you can be an actual pro. The 2012 Lakeside champion Christian Kist switched over just this week.

It's still a great tournament for the real darts fans who can sit and watch in a nice atmosphere without some idiot dressed as a umpa lumpa singing about boring tables etc.

Edit: Kist has to go to Q school and will have his work cut out to get a tour card.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2014, 08:37:53 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 12, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 12, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 12, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I enjoy the auld Darts. The two Worlds are great this time of year. But unlike Snooker where you have a real Champion. You are left with two lads here looking over their shoulder when the name World champion is bandied about for the year!

In all honesty it's pretty easy to see that MVG is the real world champion. Even the die-hard darts fans have given up on the notion of the Lakeside being a genuine World Championship. It's a feeder tournament for the PDC at this point, you do well in the BDO and you'll make the jump to PDC where you can be an actual pro. The 2012 Lakeside champion Christian Kist switched over just this week.

It's still a great tournament for the real darts fans who can sit and watch in a nice atmosphere without some idiot dressed as a umpa lumpa singing about boring tables etc.

Edit: Kist has to go to Q school and will have his work cut out to get a tour card.

It's just so static. It's absolutely unsellable as a sport with the manner the BDO manage it. I think its appeal comes from it being a throwback rather than it being terribly good. It's unique because the rest of the sport has moved on to bigger and better horizons.

Sure poor Ted Hankey has to go to q school too, it just shows how good you have to be to reach the top in the PDC.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 13, 2014, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: Sidney on January 09, 2014, 03:49:10 PM
pdc boards having 30% bigger trebles may be a conservative estimate, if anything.

(http://www.doublefinish.com/vbul/image.php?u=2755&type=sigpic&dateline=1389124788)


1. That picture has been well proven to be a complete fake in terms of scale.

2. Even Winmau got rid of the staples on their boards years ago!

There's no question there's a higher standard of darts in the PDC, because it has more top class players. The nonsense about the size of the dartboards is just saddos trying to explain the difference in the averages. If you compare the dartboards from the late 70s to the dartboards of today, you might have some case because of the staples (but I doubt even then you'd get to 30% difference in the size of the trebles. But the difference in any one year between Unicorn and Winmau has always been marginal. However, as I said before, Unicorn boards have always given less bounceouts than Winmaus, and that has been a difference year in year out. Even this year with their new Blade 4, the Winmau still had lots of bounceouts. Lesson there for anyone buying a board, always go for one of the Unicorn Eclipse models.

A very enjoyable BDO championship this year. Bunty was definitely the class of the field. Did have a poor game in the QF, but was lucky that Hofstra was a poor opponent. Otherwise Bunty was top notch.

Never rated Dekker or Norris before this year, but both were excellent. Dekker's scoring against Wolfie was tremendous. And Norris was the most entertaining player around. It seems that he's put a lot more practice in this year than before which explains his huge upturn in consistency.

Interesting to see where Bunting goes from here. He'll definitely go to the PDC at some stage, but I'd say he'll do one more year at the BDO. Other that the year of the split, I don't think a reigning Lakeside champion has ever defected. Barney would have been, but was beaten in his last final by Klaasen.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 23, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
Stephen Bunting joins the PDC, effective immediately

http://www.pdc.tv/news/article/o3p2t97uua0c1ntp1rcnjek2s/title/new-challenge-awaits-bunting-in-pdc

QuoteThe 28-year-old received the offer of a PDC Tour Card after winning through to the semi-finals of the recent Lakeside Championship, which he went on to win with a 7-4 sets victory over Alan Norris in the final.

That victory followed up his triumph in a second successive World Masters in October, while he also won six other Open events in his rise to number one on the BDO/WDF circuit last year.

However, Bunting has now opted to join the PDC's £7 million circuit, and will make his debut on the PDC ProTour in next month's UK Open Qualifiers in Wigan.

"It's been an absolutely massive decision for me to make and a very difficult decision," Bunting told www.pdc.tv in his first interview since making the move.

"I've been tearing my hair out for the last two weeks and my decision was only made last night, which shows how tough it was. I've always looked at the PDC and seen the money involved, and my family were a big influence in my decision - my son Toby was cheering, so it shows that the family are excited!

"I've loved my time in the BDO. I've won everything I can in the BDO now and was just looking for a new challenge.

"The Lakeside's a trophy that I've been chasing for so many years now. People used to ask me when I would be joining the PDC circuit, but I always said that I wanted to win Lakeside first, and now I've done it I think the time is right to make the switch over.

"If I was going to join the PDC, the best time to do it was as World Champion."

Bunting is also keen to test himself against the sport's biggest names - including 16-time World Champion Phil Taylor and new PDC World Champion Michael van Gerwen - week-in, week-out on the PDC circuit.

"Phil Taylor's been a fantastic ambassador for the sport for a lot of years and Michael van Gerwen's up there with him now, and I wanted a piece of that pie to be honest," he added.

"I know I'm good enough to compete with the likes of them, so I'm relishing the chance to take them on."

"It would be nice to qualify for all the TV events and then hopefully in the next few years I can break into the Premier League too.

"That's a big ambition. The thing that appeals to me more than anything about the Premier League is that there's a venue in Liverpool, and to play in front of my home crowd in the next few years would be absolutely amazing"
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Syferus on January 23, 2014, 04:01:05 PM
Ouch. Time to pack 'er in, BDO.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Sidney on January 24, 2014, 12:46:40 AM
Sad to see Stephen retiring from darts at the very young age of 28. He had a lot to offer the game, but sadly we won't now get to see how good a player he could have become.

A real pity.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 25, 2014, 06:50:52 PM
Retiring from darts? Lol  ;D
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 05, 2019, 08:00:02 PM
Wes Newtown beat 3-1, he was in the PDC Premier League a few years back ffs! Andy Hamilton also back with BDO.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Boycey on January 05, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
Some rings on Wolfie's fingers.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Targetman on January 05, 2019, 08:41:27 PM
Great to see the real darts on!!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: LooseCannon on January 05, 2019, 11:03:32 PM
I may enter the Lakeside myself. I presume you just turn up after a couple of pints and pay a registration fee?
I reckon that I'd be decent.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Insane Bolt on January 06, 2019, 08:46:14 PM
Bullseye had better throwers😂
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Targetman on January 06, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
Super smashing great, its on feckin Eurosport!!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: From the Bunker on January 06, 2019, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 06, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
Super smashing great, its on feckin Eurosport!!

It on Quest as well! Which is on free to air!
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 07, 2019, 04:00:37 PM
Andy Hamilton out as well. 3-0. No easy pickings for the ex PDC men.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 07, 2019, 04:00:37 PM
Andy Hamilton out as well. 3-0. No easy pickings for the ex PDC men.

In that tournament before the Worlds back in October or November (World Grand Slam or something?) the BDO lads certainly didn't disgrace themselves. There's a lot more dross in the BDO but there's decent players too.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Boycey on January 11, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
Getting to the business end now, 1/4 finals on today. Really good match on now gone to a final set decider Unterbuchner vs Mandigers
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 12, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
Japanese winner of the Women's title, 4 dart average of 90 - probably would beat a high percentage of the men.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 12, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
Japanese winner of the Women's title, 4 dart average of 90 - probably would beat a high percentage of the men.

She'd definitely beat them if they let her throw 4  :D
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 12, 2019, 05:05:57 PM
Wonder why Scott Waites never bothered with the PDC, has always been good enough to make a decent  living there.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on January 12, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 12, 2019, 05:05:57 PM
Wonder why Scott Waites never bothered with the PDC, has always been good enough to make a decent  living there.

Think he is a joiner and said before he is happy playing part time and working at that.  Lifting 100k every other year a right top up for your salary.  I often wonder would the likes of Dolan or some of the lesser PDC players not maybe be better at the BDO - bound to have a decent shot of making the final/winning a world title
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: NotedObserver on January 12, 2019, 10:37:54 PM
Look at the money Dolan made this year and the past few years will let you why they didnt move to BDO.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: bennydorano on January 12, 2019, 10:48:04 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 12, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 12, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
Japanese winner of the Women's title, 4 dart average of 90 - probably would beat a high percentage of the men.

She'd definitely beat them if they let her throw 4  :D
I looked at this post numerous times before I spotted my typo, I was wondering what you were on about. :o
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Boycey on January 13, 2019, 01:19:26 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 12, 2019, 10:37:54 PM
Look at the money Dolan made this year and the past few years will let you why they didnt move to BDO.

Dolans made £118k in the last 2 years, bumped up substantially by his earnings at Worlds.. It's really not that lucrative bar the real elite.
It's entirely possible Waites is happy enough with his lot in life and a world title every few years is a nice bonus and I'm sure it helps him with sponsorships and exhibition fees??

https://www.pdc.tv/pdc-order-of-merit

http://www.dartsdatabase.co.uk/PlayerDetails.aspx?playerKey=1607
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Boycey on January 13, 2019, 06:55:05 PM
Good final so far, Durrant leads 4-3.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Hound on January 21, 2019, 05:02:58 PM
So 3-in-a-row Lakeside winner Glen Durrant has qualified for the PDC tour by winning a "tour card".
2 cards were available each day over 4 days of qualifying, and while he didn't manage to bag one of those, he did qualify as one of the 11 best losers.

Other tour card winners from the BDO included; Mark McGeeney, Conan Whitehead, Scott Baker and Jamie Hughes.

Interesting to see the PDC Money list here, which is from ranking events over the last 2 years. Not bad at all!

https://www.pdc.tv/news/2019/01/20/2019-pdc-tour-card-holders
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: seafoid on January 21, 2019, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 13, 2019, 01:19:26 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 12, 2019, 10:37:54 PM
Look at the money Dolan made this year and the past few years will let you why they didnt move to BDO.

Dolans made £118k in the last 2 years, bumped up substantially by his earnings at Worlds.. It's really not that lucrative bar the real elite.
It's entirely possible Waites is happy enough with his lot in life and a world title every few years is a nice bonus and I'm sure it helps him with sponsorships and exhibition fees??

https://www.pdc.tv/pdc-order-of-merit

http://www.dartsdatabase.co.uk/PlayerDetails.aspx?playerKey=1607

Darts is quite a poor sport really. PDC probably take a nice cut as well.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: LooseCannon on January 21, 2019, 06:59:48 PM
Didn't know that Terry Jenkins was still at it. Well down the rankings now.
Title: Re: 2010 BDO World Darts.
Post by: Therealdonald on January 21, 2019, 09:19:51 PM
Would hotels and flights be covered by sponsors?