Munster Senior Football Championship 2017
Quarter-Final 1: Waterford v Cork, Dungarvan, 27 or 28 May
Quarter-Final 2: Clare v Limerick, Ennis, 27 or 28 May
Semi-final 1: Kerry v Clare or Limerick, Ennis or Killarney, 10 or 11 June
Semi-final 2: Tipperary v Cork or Waterford, Pairc Ui Rinn or Thurles, 10 June 5pm
Final: 2 July
Minor Football Championship
QF 1: Tipperary v Cork, Thurles, 12 April
QF 2: Kerry v Clare, Tralee, 12 April
QF 3: Limerick v Waterford, Limerick 12 April
Play-off 1: Kerry/Clare loser v Waterford/Limerick loser, 19 April
QF 4/Play-off 2: Winner of Play-off 1 v Tipperary/Cork loser, 26 April
Semi-final 1: 10 May
Semi-final 1: 10 May
Final 1: 2 July
Kerry's odds slightly shorter after yesterday in to 11/4 from 7/2. Geaney favourite @8/1 for poty
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 10, 2017, 10:40:43 AM
Kerry's odds slightly shorter after yesterday in to 11/4 from 7/2. Geaney favourite @8/1 for poty
I have Cluxton at 250/1 . does some on know something i dont . surelay as captain and possible best play on a possible 3 in a row team would have a fair shout for POTY?
Can't think of a keeper winning awards too often
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
Quote from: rosnarun on April 10, 2017, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 10, 2017, 10:40:43 AM
Kerry's odds slightly shorter after yesterday in to 11/4 from 7/2. Geaney favourite @8/1 for poty
I have Cluxton at 250/1 . does some on know something i dont . surelay as captain and possible best play on a possible 3 in a row team would have a fair shout for POTY?
Good odds
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
The hapless opposition in Munster now take up 4 of the top 16 spots in the country.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 10, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
The hapless opposition in Munster now take up 4 of the top 16 spots in the country.
Based on final League position (the most reasonable guide to current standing) their rankings were as follows:
Kerry 2
Cork 12
Clare 13
Tipp 18
Limerick 29
Waterford 30
I think their description as mid-lower ranked counties is accurate. There is a huge gap between Kerry and the rest despite how you try to dress it up.
Yes but you also said hapless. That's harsh when 4 of them will operate in the top 2 divisions next year at least.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
I don't find it bizarre and can fully understand why its 3rd on his list of priorities. Fitzmaurice would be far more concerned at losing a Munster than a league final. Championship is everything.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2017, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
I don't find it bizarre and can fully understand why its 3rd on his list of priorities. Fitzmaurice would be far more concerned at losing a Munster than a league final. Championship is everything.
The All Ireland series is everything. The only value a Munster championship is to Kerry is in ensuring the smoothest possible route into an AI quarter final and not as a competition in it's own right. Similar with Dublin in Leinster. The national league is not a regional competition and is played among the top 8 teams in the country and so generally its is the best gauge as to a teams performance level. Why should a regional competition with a few average sides and a few minnows hold more prestige with Kerry than beating the best teams in the country.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2017, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
I don't find it bizarre and can fully understand why its 3rd on his list of priorities. Fitzmaurice would be far more concerned at losing a Munster than a league final. Championship is everything.
The All Ireland series is everything. The only value a Munster championship is to Kerry is in ensuring the smoothest possible route into an AI quarter final and not as a competition in it's own right. Similar with Dublin in Leinster. The national league is not a regional competition and is played among the top 8 teams in the country and so generally its is the best gauge as to a teams performance level. Why should a regional competition with a few average sides and a few minnows hold more prestige with Kerry than beating the best teams in the country.
You answered your own question
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2017, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 11:31:16 AM
Fitzmaurice after yesterdays game said that the national league is the third most importnat competition for Kerry. I'm presuming that he meant it was behind the munster championship and I find that logic bizarre given the hapless opposition in munster. It's not just a Kerry thing but I find it strange why counties should feel the need to almost feel embarrassed about winning a national title. It is a competition against the 7 other top sides in Ireland in which they came out on top and yet they maintain that a 2 horse (if you are being very kind) provincial race against mid-lower ranked teams has more status than a national title. Just don't get that flawed logic at all.
I don't find it bizarre and can fully understand why its 3rd on his list of priorities. Fitzmaurice would be far more concerned at losing a Munster than a league final. Championship is everything.
The All Ireland series is everything. The only value a Munster championship is to Kerry is in ensuring the smoothest possible route into an AI quarter final and not as a competition in it's own right. Similar with Dublin in Leinster. The national league is not a regional competition and is played among the top 8 teams in the country and so generally its is the best gauge as to a teams performance level. Why should a regional competition with a few average sides and a few minnows hold more prestige with Kerry than beating the best teams in the country.
The worse a team is the more value they put on the provincial championship.
Minor Football Championship Update 12 April Quarter Final games:
QF 1: Cork 3-21 Tipperary 1-8
QF 2: Kerry 2-16 Clare 1-6
QF 3: Limerick 1-10 Waterford 0-9
Play-off 1: Clare v Waterford, 19 April
QF 4/Play-off 2: Winner of Play-off 1 v Tipperary, 26 April
Semi-final 1: Cork v Kerry (provisional)
Semi-Final 2: Limerick v QF4 Winner (provisional)
Since the losing semi final teams are out of the competition completely (the losing finalists play in AI quarter finals), the Cork/Kerry meeting should be a spicy affair.
EDIT 2 April 14 (EDIT 1 deleted): The draw has decreed Cork to play Kerry and Limerick to play the winner of the Semi-final play-off between the other 3 teams. If Waterford qualify for the semi-final, then they cannot play Limerick (having already met in the Q-Final). In that scenario, the semi-final line-up would be Cork v Waterford and Kerry v Limerick.
Minor Football Championship Update 20 April to update Play-off 1 and confirm semi-final pairings:
QF 1: Cork 3-21 Tipperary 1-8
QF 2: Kerry 2-16 Clare 1-6
QF 3: Limerick 1-10 Waterford 0-9
Play-off 1: Clare 5-11 Waterford 0-6
QF 4/Play-off 2: Clare v Tipperary, 26 April in Ennis
Semi-final 1: Cork v Kerry 10 May in Cork
Semi-Final 2: Limerick v Clare or Tipperary, 10 May in Limerick
Final: on 2 July
11 May Minor Football Championship Update to update semi-final results:
QF 1: Cork 3-21 Tipperary 1-8
QF 2: Kerry 2-16 Clare 1-6
QF 3: Limerick 1-10 Waterford 0-9
Play-off 1: Clare 5-11 Waterford 0-6
QF 4/Play-off 2: Clare 0-10 Tipperary 0-5
Semi-final 1: Kerry 2-17 Cork 1-10
Semi-Final 2: Clare 3-13 Limerick 0-12
Final: Kerry v Clare on 2 July
Quote from: Ball Hopper on May 11, 2017, 02:50:45 PM
11 May Minor Football Championship Update to update semi-final results:
QF 1: Cork 3-21 Tipperary 1-8
QF 2: Kerry 2-16 Clare 1-6
QF 3: Limerick 1-10 Waterford 0-9
Play-off 1: Clare 5-11 Waterford 0-6
QF 4/Play-off 2: Clare 0-10 Tipperary 0-5
Semi-final 1: Kerry 2-17 Cork 1-10
Semi-Final 2: Clare 3-13 Limerick 0-12
Final: Kerry v Clare on 2 July
Clifford did wreck for Kerry notching 2-8 (2-5 from play)
First time Clare have made a Munster minor final since 1994 apparently.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 10, 2017, 03:17:54 PM
The worse a team is the more value they put on the provincial championship.
Interesting point twohands. I posted earlier how Tyrone seem to struggle in the quarterfinals when they win Ulster.
They won it in 2016 and lost to Mayo in the quarterfinal
They won it in 2010 and lost to Dublin in the quarterfinal
They won it in 2009 and beat Kildare in the quarterfinal and lost to Cork in the semi
They won it in 2007 and lost to Meath in the quarterfinal
They won it in 2003 and won the AI for the first time.
Whereas when they went via the back door they seem to do a lot better.
They won it through the qualifiers in 2005 and 2008.
2013 they got to the semi finals and again in 2015 so I'm not sure in Ulster if it benefits you more winning a tough provincial championship.
Kerry vs Galway semi final 1
Tyrone vs Dublin semi final 2 my prediction.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 11, 2017, 05:54:56 PM
Kerry vs Galway semi final 1
Tyrone vs Dublin semi final 2 my prediction.
This Thread is MUNSTER Senior and Minor Football Championship ::) !
Quote from: Horse Box on May 12, 2017, 11:49:10 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 11, 2017, 05:54:56 PM
Kerry vs Galway semi final 1
Tyrone vs Dublin semi final 2 my prediction.
This Thread is MUNSTER Senior and Minor Football Championship ::) !
Call the mods!!
Munster U17 Championship completed:
QF 1 Tipperary 0-14 Clare 0-10 4 April Semple Stadium Thurles
QF 2 Cork 6-24 Waterford 0-1 4 April Fraher Field Dungarvan
SF 3 Kerry 3-11 Tipperary 1-6 2 May Austin Stack Park Tralee
SF 4 Cork 5-18 Limerick 1-6 2 May Pairc Ui Rinn
Final: Kerry 0-15 Cork 0-10 16/5 Austin Stack Park Tralee
Cork's football's decline almost hit a new low this evening, just about scraped past Waterford by a point.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on May 27, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
Cork's football's decline almost hit a new low this evening, just about scraped past Waterford by a point.
Unlucky Waterford, fair play to them for been so competitive when other Div 4 teams wouldn't be.
We won't be reading anything into corks result tonight, ever since the draw was made their focus would've been on tipp game, for them to lose at home to us and 2 years in a row is unthinkable for them. They will be up for our game and I expect them to be a hell of a lot better. Tonight's result perfect for them as it will dampen any expectations
Just when you think Cork have hit rock bottom they drop even further.
Something seriously wrong down there, Cork has more footballers than every other county and they've had plenty of good u21 teams the last decade.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 28, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
Just when you think Cork have hit rock bottom they drop even further.
Something seriously wrong down there, Cork has more footballers than every other county and they've had plenty of good u21 teams the last decade.
Cork are consistently overrated, their players aren't great really and seem to have a very poor attitude. You can go on about management and county board politics but even with that there is no reason why Cork shouldn't be beating the likes of Waterford comfortably.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 28, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 28, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
Just when you think Cork have hit rock bottom they drop even further.
Something seriously wrong down there, Cork has more footballers than every other county and they've had plenty of good u21 teams the last decade.
Cork are consistently overrated, their players aren't great really and seem to have a very poor attitude. You can go on about management and county board politics but even with that there is no reason why Cork shouldn't be beating the likes of Waterford comfortably.
The transition from an all Ireland winning team to normality is hard. Cork have been poor for the last 3 seasons.
Even though they have 7 all Irelands they can be very up and down.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 28, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
Just when you think Cork have hit rock bottom they drop even further.
Did you think the same about Galway when they only beat Waterford by 1 point in Pearse stadium 4 years ago? Results like that can sometimes kick start underachieving team.
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2017, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 28, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 28, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
Just when you think Cork have hit rock bottom they drop even further.
Something seriously wrong down there, Cork has more footballers than every other county and they've had plenty of good u21 teams the last decade.
Cork are consistently overrated, their players aren't great really and seem to have a very poor attitude. You can go on about management and county board politics but even with that there is no reason why Cork shouldn't be beating the likes of Waterford comfortably.
The transition from an all Ireland winning team to normality is hard. Cork have been poor for the last 3 seasons.
Even though they have 7 all Irelands they can be very up and down.
In a way you'd say that the winning of that All-Ireland against Down ended up being more of a curse than a blessing for Cork - they probably had 5 or 6 lads playing last night who you could technically call senior all-Ireland winning medalists.
I heard that Healy tendered his resignation after the end of the league but Frank and the lads didn't accept it.
Tipp to beat them comfortably enough and whoever they are drawn against in their first qualifier game to wave them offstage.
Evan Comerford after been given a 16 week ban, massive blow for us this year
What for?
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 29, 2017, 11:21:35 PM
What for?
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.the42.ie/evan-comerford-ban-tipperary-paddy-russell-3409206-May2017/%3Famp%3D1
Clare level with Kerry ht, Kerry down to 14
Late goal for Kerry flatters them as they win 1-18 to Clare's 1-12.
Donnacha Walsh sent off in first half.
CCB have just announced that Páirc Uí Chaoimh will not be ready for the Munster finals.
Quote from: Hardy on June 12, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
CCB have just announced that Páirc Uí Chaoimh will not be ready for the Munster finals.
Are you kidding?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 12, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
CCB have just announced that Páirc Uí Chaoimh will not be ready for the Munster finals.
Are you kidding?
Confirmed true per RTE website anyway.
Where will the football be now so? Back in Killarney again?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:39:06 PM
Where will the football be now so? Back in Killarney again?
I believe the Kerry County Board have said there will not be a rota game in 2017 previously, meaning only two games in a row for Cork and not three if this year's fixture is in Killarney.
Either Pairc Ui Rinn or Limerick I suppose...Cork County Board choice? Or will they just say to hell with it and go to Killarney and make a weekend of it?
Fitzgerald Stadium confirmed for Cork Kerry Munster final on Sunday July 2nd at 2pm.
😂
Quote from: ballinaman on June 12, 2017, 03:38:19 PM
Fitzgerald Stadium confirmed for Cork Kerry Munster final on Sunday July 2nd at 2pm.
😂
I'd say the Munster Council went for Killarney as they knew if they went elsewhere the attendance would have been very poor.
Munster Football Final day is July 2 in Killarney.
Minors: Kerry v Clare at noon. A repeat of the round 1 fixture which saw Kerry winning 2-16 to 1-6 (at halftime it was 2-10 to 1-0). Kerry are captained by David Clifford, corner forward from last year's winning team.
Seniors: Kerry v Cork at 2pm.