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Title: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 06:02:24 PM
more dissident activity today in Armagh  :-\ 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8367718.stm
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Zapatista on November 19, 2009, 06:38:30 PM
A 'horizontal mortar type devise'?


\is that a bullet?
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: haranguerer on November 19, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
Mebbe its one that fell over.....

think it was probably made in chemistry class though to be honest.
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: ArmaghLedd on November 19, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
A 'horizontal mortar type devise' gawd were not playing Cod6 on the PS3 now :D
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Gnevin on November 19, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
An other plot by the Brits?  ::)
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: stew on November 19, 2009, 08:00:06 PM
why cant the fecking thing go off when the tr**p is putting it together, i would rather see these scumbags dead than some peeler lose his life because of them.
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 19, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
Fecking idiots, deserve a good kicking.  A lot of these seem to be reported lately, it wont be long until some innocent people are killed, I hope I'm wrong though.  >:( :(
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Zapatista on November 19, 2009, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 19, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
Fecking idiots, deserve a good kicking.  A lot of these seem to be reported lately, it wont be long until some innocent people are killed, I hope I'm wrong though.  >:( :(

True. These people should stop reporting these things before someone gets killed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on November 21, 2009, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Was it not people shooting at peelers first?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on November 22, 2009, 12:21:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 21, 2009, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Was it not people shooting at peelers first?
By sammy's own link it was.  Dissidents are still clueless w4nkers regardless
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2009, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 21, 2009, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Was it not people shooting at peelers first?

yeah it was
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 22, 2009, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Of course they did, they had to defend themselves.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 22, 2009, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh
That's some serious spin! Do you work in politics?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on November 22, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
In fairness to Sammy, I think it was tongue in cheek.

And in realising that, I think I've just caught onto the fact all his racing tips are also tongue in cheek... :P

Dont be getting insulted Sammy, I'm only picking  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aerlik on November 23, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
The fillum "Omagh" ( :'() was on here last night...then to wake up to news that there were two incidences at home...ffs. ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 23, 2009, 11:00:08 AM
another bomb scare in armagh this morning. 40 mins to get through the town. Ireland will be free in no time now. FFS what is the point. when are these knobs going to realise this sh.t is no longer needed or wanted. the new leader of RSF polled 135 votes the last election he stood in.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
Fcukin numptys have the town closed today AGAIN!!!
They carried out a controlled explosion on a "device" abiout 4.30 this morning but are still working at it? WTF???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
Fcukin numptys have the town closed today AGAIN!!!
They carried out a controlled explosion on a "device" abiout 4.30 this morning but are still working at it? WTF???
Clearly trying to create as much inconvenience as possible.  good old RUC.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
Just re-opened the road there now!!
Cop said whatever way they had planted the device it need careful examination...  ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
SAS are still lurkin about by the looks of it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on November 23, 2009, 11:29:06 AM
Is there enough of an organisation to put legs on a campaign or is it more likely to peter out with a few actions here and there with arrests and lack of support?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
Just re-opened the road there now!!
Cop said whatever way they had planted the device it need careful examination...  ???
The planted a device on the Mall in armagh?
FFS what cops are they going to kill there?

I suspect more bullshit!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
Just re-opened the road there now!!
Cop said whatever way they had planted the device it need careful examination...  ???

Yeah I mean what the f**k are they being so careful for it's not like it's not like they are defusing a bomb .... owe wait .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 11:41:19 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:32:40 AM


I suspect more bullshit!
To what end? If it was bs why don't the CIRA/RIRA come out and disown these bombs. They claimed the killings of the Copper and the Soldiers quickly enough.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?

What didn't exist? The bomb...for feck sake behave yourself. Of course its not acceptable to not inform the locals. But now that they are following on alerts, tip offs, hoaxs etc the day after a shoot out in Fermanagh (maybe that was just someones TV turned up too loud) and a bomb exploded in Belfast, you still find fault and put it down as bullshit. Priceless.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?

What didn't exist? The bomb...for feck sake behave yourself. Of course its not acceptable to not inform the locals. But now that they are following on alerts, tip offs, hoaxs etc the day after a shoot out in Fermanagh (maybe that was just someones TV turned up too loud) and a bomb exploded in Belfast, you still find fault and put it down as bullshit. Priceless.
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Of course it's not acceptable to inform the locals? So why are you having a dig at people complaining about it in your previous post?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: one for the road on November 23, 2009, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 23, 2009, 11:29:06 AM
Is there enough of an organisation to put legs on a campaign or is it more likely to peter out with a few actions here and there with arrests and lack of support?

The amounts of bombs, shootings and alerts seem to increasing at a worrying rate. Dont know if support is increasing but i would hate to see it going back to the old days
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?

What didn't exist? The bomb...for feck sake behave yourself. Of course its not acceptable to not inform the locals. But now that they are following on alerts, tip offs, hoaxs etc the day after a shoot out in Fermanagh (maybe that was just someones TV turned up too loud) and a bomb exploded in Belfast, you still find fault and put it down as bullshit. Priceless.
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Of course it's not acceptable to inform the locals? So why are you having a dig at people complaining about it in your previous post?
So why not disown them?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2009, 12:12:06 PM
lads its all a load of shite, I think anyone with half a brain realises that this achieves nothing whether its actually going on or not. Are the arguments here about whether there is genuine dissident republican threat actually happening or the cops are making this up and causing hassle on a Monday morning?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
Lads whether Pints is correct or not in his suspicions (and we cannot say with certainty one way or the other) you can't criticise him for holding those suspicions.

Whether or not the British security forces are behind any of this I don't know but they certainly have the capability and motives for it not to mention past form.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: thejuice on November 23, 2009, 12:26:38 PM
if one of them was shot yesterday they'd probably try spin it as a return of the "Shoot to Kill" policy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?

At least put the claim out there for all to decide upon or ask the IMC to look at it. At them moment we've a  tiny fringe element on here (I've seen this claim no where else) who still want to blame the Brits when Tesco are out of their favour type of jam.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
Lads whether Pints is correct or not in his suspicions (and we cannot say with certainty one way or the other) you can't criticise him for holding those suspicions.


Of course you can. This is the same man who doesn't believe we landed on the moon.  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
Lads whether Pints is correct or not in his suspicions (and we cannot say with certainty one way or the other) you can't criticise him for holding those suspicions.


Of course you can. This is the same man who doesn't believe we landed on the moon.  ::)

Completely unrelated incidents, how is that relevant?

If you're trying to say he is parnoid or into conspriacies well it still doesn't change the fact that the British security forces have the capability and motives to be behind this, again I can't say if they are one way or the other.

Just because someones paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get them!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?

At least put the claim out there for all to decide upon or ask the IMC to look at it. At them moment we've a  tiny fringe element on here (I've seen this claim no where else) who still want to blame the Brits when Tesco are out of their favour type of jam.
You should trying talking to the people in south armagh, I don't think I know one who belives there was a bomb there. 
If they put it "out there" you still wouldnt believe it.  If the brits had a history of stealing jars of jam from tesco they might just be blamed for it if it happened again, yes. 

I suppose you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 12:38:04 PM
With you on this one pints. Alot of strange things going on recently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 12:38:04 PM
With you on this one pints. Alot of strange things going on recently.

Great, I'm sure he's thrilled with your backing.  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?

At least put the claim out there for all to decide upon or ask the IMC to look at it. At them moment we've a  tiny fringe element on here (I've seen this claim no where else) who still want to blame the Brits when Tesco are out of their favour type of jam.


I suppose you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks?

Never claimed they weren't and might possibly still be but unlike you I'm no going to make claims based on  hearsay and conjecture.  In fact a claim by the RIRA or CIRA or dirty tricks would be enough for me to look beyond the surface but since they haven't I've no reason to believe this isn't the same bunch  who like shooting pizza men .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
Do you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks g?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)
I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on November 23, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.

CORRECTO!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 23, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.
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A couple of years ago the tactics were altogether different - if there was a bomb threat or something going on, they would hardly even report on it and if they did, they played it down so in their quest to promote a "normal, peaceful" society.


They're fit for anything.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
Do you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks g?

Quote
QuoteI suppose you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks?
QuoteNever claimed they weren't and might possibly still be 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on November 23, 2009, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 23, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.
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A couple of years ago the tactics were altogether different - if there was a bomb threat or something going on, they would hardly even report on it and if they did, they played it down so in their quest to promote a "normal, peaceful" society.


They're fit for anything.

Not just a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on November 23, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

The mall is also the name for the roads on either side of the field though pints, I'd assume it was along one of these that the 'device' was (or was not) found.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

God your right its out in the ass hole of now where. It's highly unlikely someone was walking from the station bar or too Charlemont Arms. I mean they at least a 3 minute walk!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: AFS on November 23, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

The mall is also the name for the roads on either side of the field though pints, I'd assume it was along one of these that the 'device' was (or was not) found.
ah right, maybe so.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on November 23, 2009, 03:27:27 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

God your right its out in the ass hole of now where. It's highly unlikely someone was walking from the station bar or too Charlemont Arms. I mean they at least a 3 minute walk!

Google maps is a great job.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: AFS on November 23, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

The mall is also the name for the roads on either side of the field though pints, I'd assume it was along one of these that the 'device' was (or was not) found.

they were sitting around outside the education buildings on the east side of the mall having a smoke break at 10am. Much ado about nothing
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
I know facts aren't your forte but The Mall has the court house at one end (previously bombed) as well as Orange Hall and a TA barracks along one side of the mall so it's more than just a field. There's 3 potential targets without even counting a police patrol car or foot patrol.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
I know facts aren't your forte but The Mall has the court house at one end (previously bombed) as well as Orange Hall and a TA barracks along one side of the mall so it's more than just a field. There's 3 potential targets without even counting a police patrol car or foot patrol.
Which of them was the hoax device at?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
I know facts aren't your forte but The Mall has the court house at one end (previously bombed) as well as Orange Hall and a TA barracks along one side of the mall so it's more than just a field. There's 3 potential targets without even counting a police patrol car or foot patrol.
Which of them was the hoax device at?
From BBC: The area around Mall East, Mall West, College Hill and the courthouse were cordoned off but has now been reopened.
Anyway, it's good that we've established that the Mall is not just a field.

Although i'm interested to know just how long it should take to sort out a suspicious object in a built-up area?
I'm far from an expert, but on top of the time taken to actually deal with the device, i'm sure there's some time taken to clear the area, i'd imagine the police would have to consider whether they were potentially walking into a trap, whether there might be other devices etc etc.. yes you're right - they should have sorted it in 20 minutes.

Now unless the police are involved in planting devices, or they are fabricating these incidents - and if they were, you'd have to imagine that the dissidents could confirm their non-involvement - then it's ridiculous to pin blame anywhere other than at the perpetrators.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:54:49 PM
IF it was at any of those places it would have been said on the news.

I don't think they should have had it sorted in 20 mins but it shouldnt take the time it did particularly when it was nothing!

An "elaborate hoax" is all the information we got, that could mean anything.  Maybe you boys are willing to put all your trust in the police, I'm not.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 05:09:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:54:49 PM
IF it was at any of those places it would have been said on the news.

I don't think they should have had it sorted in 20 mins but it shouldnt take the time it did particularly when it was nothing!

An "elaborate hoax" is all the information we got, that could mean anything.  Maybe you boys are willing to put all your trust in the police, I'm not.
I don't really see much relevance as to where the 'object' was on the Mall. It doesn't make any difference to me whether it was at the court house, near a police patrol, a shop...

But how long should it have taken? 3 hours? 6 hours?

And if we're going on what was reported, there was a 'suspicious object', so there wasn't "nothing" - it wasn't a bomb, but those going in to deal with it don't know until that after the event - i'd rather they were a bit prudent and assumed they were dealing with something viable and took any necessary precautions to protect the public, rather than assume it's a hoax and act recklessly. That's when I would question their competence.

It's not about "putting all your trust in the police" either, but equally it's not about looking for a reason to blame them at any given opportunity. On the day a bomb explodes and kills, no doubt you'll be one of the first in line jumping up and down about what the police didn't do to stop it, yet you're getting annoyed when it takes them 9/10 hours to confirm that something isn't dangerous.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
It is about putting your trust in them, some of you boys think they can do no wrong.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
I was speaking to someone very close to the "trouble" at the minute and this person is unquestionable in my view when it comes to the veracity of the story.  There is a lunatic republican fringe at th minute who are being led by a few crazies.  They do not have the capability to do too much as they are not well organised nor have much access to equipment but they are determined to get their hands on more and get a few waiverers over from the mainstream section.  Two of the leaders are gone now and will not see the light of day for a good few years and there are 2 maybe 3 more.  Things are being allowed to happen to try to get the public opinion turned on them and apart from the victims of the shootings they are trying to keep casualties to a minimum. 

Unfortunately in this "game" people die and there may be more.  There will be more hoaxes, defused "bombs"(who knows apart from the people who set them what was actually in the bombs).  As veryone knows history has shown that fringe republicans are rife with touts and it would be easy to direct a few things if the right person was a tout.  People may not believe this happens but when you have seen things with your own eyes you realise anything is possible.  Once 3-4 people in the fringe are out of commission then everything will end as the security forces do not see the same types anywhere else on the horizon.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
It is about putting your trust in them, some of you boys think they can do no wrong.

Thats not the case, just ask for a bit of reason and logic from some. Next time there's a "hoax" I assume you'll volunter to walk and kick said "hoax" in the air to see how elaborate it is.

These incidents happened 2 days after 4 men where prepared to cross into Sligo Town to kill an off duty officer. They are obviously brave men and nothing should be ruled out with them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
It is about putting your trust in them, some of you boys think they can do no wrong.
Not at all. Do "you boys" think they can do no right?
I fully acknowledge that elements of the police are more than capable of wrongdoing. And i'll have no problem in saying so. But for me, keeping the Mall closed for 9/10 hours isn't quite up there with these recent dissident activities.

But you have no real basis for criticising the amount of time they took to reopen the Mall in Armagh. It just looks like an excuse to have a go. I have no particular desire to 'big up' the police, i'm just challenging posts like yours to try and understand your need to point the finger anywhere other than at those who are causing these incidents in the first place.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 06:11:24 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
I though we ascertained that that The Mall wasn't just a field.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 06:11:24 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
I though we ascertained that that The Mall wasn't just a field.
:D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
There wasnt a bomb
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 06:20:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
There wasnt a bomb
Does someone just dander up and have a poke at it to decide? I don't know if you're a WUM  or just thick.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
There wasnt a bomb
Well for a suspicious device to be confirmed as a hoax and the area declared safe then.

You and stew clearly think that 10 hours is too long and we've established that 20 minutes would be cutting it a bit fine. But we still don't know what would constitute a reasonable amount of time(?)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:25:40 PM
A couple of hours ought to be enough wouldnt you think?

Ten is rippin the arse clean out of it, call me a cynic but the bioys must love the aul overtime, time and a half is it? :-\
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.
Yes, all situations are directly comparable. 
If it took 90 minutes for one incident, it stands to reason that any bomb (or hoax) should be dealt with in a similar amount of time.  ::)

How do you know that it took 10 hours to realise that it was a hoax? Was there not possibly some time taken to clear the area, to make sure it was safe and not a trap, to sweep the area for other potential devices?
As another poster has said, they don't just dander up and kick a box.

Also, i'm not sure where the 10 hours has come from. The BBC article says the object was found at about 3.30 in the morning. The news story was last updated at 11.49 this morning, reporting that the Mall had reopened. That would make it just over 8 hours, if the BBC reported the reopening straight away - i'm sure there's a slight time delay.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm
Does that make it any more acceptable? Or should they have opened up the roads earlier and let people take a chance?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:25:40 PM
A couple of hours ought to be enough wouldnt you think?
I wouldn't know, not being an expert in bomb disposal and not knowing all the details (we're all basing this on a very short news article). And neither would you or most of the people on here i'd assume. That's the point.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
When a bomb finally goes off and kills or maims civilians and or security forces it will obviously be another securocrat conspiracy? You're obviously not wired up to grasp logic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
When a bomb finally goes off and kills or maims civilians and or security forces it will obviously be another securocrat conspiracy? You're obviously not wired up to grasp logic.
You're starting to sound like Gnevin.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
When a bomb finally goes off and kills or maims civilians and or security forces it will obviously be another securocrat conspiracy? You're obviously not wired up to grasp logic.
You're starting to sound like Gnevin.
You mean not grasping at straws in a useless attempt to justify my crazy believes ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
No, I mean reducing himself to silly and cheap insults and dramatic nonsense. 

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.

Clearly there are bomb threats which consist of a back pack and a alarm clock and there are bomb threats which are all but bombs with out the blasting cap for example
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
No, I mean reducing himself to silly and cheap insults and dramatic nonsense.

Yeah logic is such a dramatic bitch.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
There's no correlation between logic and cheap, petty insults. 

If you want to discuss something let me know, if you want to throw about dramatic cheap one liners and insults leave me out of it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
There's no correlation between logic and cheap, petty insults. 

If you want to discuss something like, let me know, if you want to throw about dramatic cheap one liners and insults leave me out of it.

Your idea of "evidence" is hearsay and conjecture and that is your good evidence most of it POG's gut thinks.  Sorry but there is no discussion with someone who refuses to back up there opinion with even a shred of proof. Like the moon landing discussion you present no evidence ,ignore independent evidence and have no grasp of ockham's razor
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:05:19 PM
 :D
You have to get over the moon thing, are you some relation of Neil Armstrong's or something?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:05:19 PM
:D
You have to get over the moon thing, are you some relation of Neil Armstrong's or something?

One of the greatest achievement of man kind and people like you think you know better based on the nonsensical ravings of mad men. This is what is wrong with the world people who will believe what ever some gobshite on the internet or fancy cloths in a church tells them to think .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 
Yes, each case must stand on its own facts.
And we've established that it was probably 8 hours, rather than 10, if that makes any significant difference.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.

It was ten hours not eight, I too have seen them in action defusing bombs and/or coming to the conclusion it was a hoax, it never came close to ten hours.
I will never trust the police in the north no matter their make up, they have assisted loyalist terrorists in murders and have actually killed the very people they were supposed to protect themselves, they held us at checkpoints many times because they were crooked bastards that loved to mess with Catholics, I dont trust them and I think that since they are not making the money they used to make they are coming up with new and interesting ways to make a few extra bob.

8 hours is too long, tens hours is  far  too long, 2 hours should be more than enough time to figure out a feckin hoax.

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:30:48 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 08:28:45 PM

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.

That's a shocking partitionist post, no true Gael would ever say that!


;)
How about that for Nordie speak :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

I think that it is more than an informant, more someone directing things a certain way.  There are 3-4 people who are needed off the streets completely and there is a need to finally destroy the notions of armed force resistance.  The only to do that is to get the big guns out as there are no more crazies seen out there at the minute.  If the security forces can get these individuals "decommissioned" this will pave the way for devolution of policing etc and a finalisation of the current stage of the peace process.  There is not the political will at the minute within SF to push for a united Ireland and DUP know that but they are afraid of the dissidents.  Once these armed dissidents are gone then there will be a lot of political movement.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

I think that it is more than an informant, more someone directing things a certain way.  There are 3-4 people who are needed off the streets completely and there is a need to finally destroy the notions of armed force resistance.  The only to do that is to get the big guns out as there are no more crazies seen out there at the minute.  If the security forces can get these individuals "decommissioned" this will pave the way for devolution of policing etc and a finalisation of the current stage of the peace process.  There is not the political will at the minute within SF to push for a united Ireland and DUP know that but they are afraid of the dissidents.  Once these armed dissidents are gone then there will be a lot of political movement.
100% agree with that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:45:49 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.

It was ten hours not eight, I too have seen them in action defusing bombs and/or coming to the conclusion it was a hoax, it never came close to ten hours.
I will never trust the police in the north no matter their make up, they have assisted loyalist terrorists in murders and have actually killed the very people they were supposed to protect themselves, they held us at checkpoints many times because they were crooked b**tards that loved to mess with Catholics, I dont trust them and I think that since they are not making the money they used to make they are coming up with new and interesting ways to make a few extra bob.

8 hours is too long, tens hours is  far  too long, 2 hours should be more than enough time to figure out a feckin hoax.

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.
Re the first bit in bold, what were the start and finish times of the operation that made you conclude that it was 10 hours?

Re the second bit - you clearly can't be objective then.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?
So you wouldnt believe them, you wouldnt be alone.  So what point would there be? You're placing a lot of faith in the IMC.
You haven't a clue do you  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: saffron sam2 on November 23, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

Something like that would never happen. Ever been to Donegal? The names Noel McMahon and Kevin Lennon ring any bells?

I could have some fun explaining there / their and they're to you, but I can't be bothered.

Have you been drinking?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:07:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
I never said you did.

I'm not quite sure how you can say that SF has changed, but the police, with the Patten reforms substantially implemented, haven't. And again, no one is saying that it's fait accompli at this stage, but the fact that you don't acknowledge any change or substantial change makes it a bit difficult to take your other arguments serious.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:07:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
I never said you did.

I'm not quite sure how you can say that SF has changed, but the police, with the Patten reforms substantially implemented, haven't. And again, no one is saying that it's fait accompli at this stage, but the fact that you don't acknowledge any change or substantial change makes it a bit difficult to take your other arguments serious.
I know, gnevin did, I meant to address that to him.

The stuff I hear from home suggest the police haven't changed, I suppose there's not as much harassment as there was, great. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:07:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
I never said you did.

I'm not quite sure how you can say that SF has changed, but the police, with the Patten reforms substantially implemented, haven't. And again, no one is saying that it's fait accompli at this stage, but the fact that you don't acknowledge any change or substantial change makes it a bit difficult to take your other arguments serious.
I know, gnevin did, I meant to address that to him.

The stuff I hear from home suggest the police haven't changed, I suppose there's not as much harassment as there was, great.
So you're basing everything on "stuff you hear from home"? And like anything, you only really hear the bad stuff. I've already acknowledged that it's not the end of the process, but you seem to be selecting only the news you want to hear.

Do you not see any value in the Pattern recommendations?
Do you not acknowledge that they are substantially implemented?
How can you say that SF has changed, but the police has not, given that SF has now accepted and supports the police?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
Maguire I dont care who sinn fein support. 

All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it.  Police with zero interest but if Willie Frazer turns up to shout abuse at someone's house they're out in force to give him a police escort. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it. 
Could be said about any police force anywhere in Ireland or the UK surely.

Not sure how that relates to how they handle a potential bomb situation.

Out of interest, are the people at home now happy to go to the police, make statements, stand up and give evidence against these criminals?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it. 
Could be said about any police force anywhere in Ireland or the UK surely.

Not sure how that relates to how they handle a potential bomb situation.

Out of interest, are the people at home now happy to go to the police, make statements, stand up and give evidence against these criminals?
Not in my experience of living here. 
Don't know about people being happy to make statements but I know several have, nothing done though.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it. 
Could be said about any police force anywhere in Ireland or the UK surely.

Not sure how that relates to how they handle a potential bomb situation.

Out of interest, are the people at home now happy to go to the police, make statements, stand up and give evidence against these criminals?
Not in my experience of living here. 
Don't know about people being happy to make statements but I know several have, nothing done though.
What about the middle line?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
what do you mean?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
what do you mean?
How does all that relate to the police not handling this Armagh incident correctly?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
what do you mean?
How does all that relate to the police not handling this Armagh incident correctly?
because its just more evidence that they've never changed and reasons not to trust them
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:01:24 PM
Just to clarify a few points:

Device discovered at 3.30am
Controlled explosion carried out approx 4.30am
Mall and surrounding areas reopened about 11.30am

Now WTF the fcuk were they doing in between, obviously after
the controlled explosion they knew it was an elaborate hoax?

Main points above came from a Cop who was on duty there and grinning about how his shift ended at
7am but he was now on overtime!!!

FACT
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Look! They shot James Connolly and Padraig Pearse! What other excuse do we need? I heard that the PSNI are also kidnapping babies and selling them for £2 a go to unscrupulous Chinese takeaway owners in Belfast to make chicken curry. Also, do you see that X Factor? It was the PSNI that got Jedward put out (Special Branch at that!) and guess why? Because the police said to Simon Cowell that the two lads were Fenian b**tards! Also, see that flooding in Cumbria? You've guessed it - SPECIAL BRANCH! See that bomb on Saturday night - the one at the Policing Board - that was a peeler who was going to bomb the Felons Club but had a faulty sat-nav and ended up there. I could go on: oh! I forgot, see the Titanic? That was the Special Branch as well. A friend of mine - well, a friend of a friend - told me that the PSNI built that iceberg and sent it into the boat because - listen to this - because they said that Leanardo Di Caprio was working for them and passing on stuff to Kate Winslet whilst in bed and Freddie Scappaticci was watching and listening while "pulling the head of it" in the wardrobe. Watch scene 5 and you will see Scap's head in the background. ........................
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:06:57 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:01:24 PM
Just to clarify a few points:

Device discovered at 3.30am
Controlled explosion carried out approx 4.30am
Mall and surrounding areas reopened about 11.30am

Now WTF the fcuk were they doing in between, obviously after
the controlled explosion they knew it was an elaborate hoax?

Main points above came from a Cop who was on duty there and grinning about how his shift ended at
7am but he was now on overtime!!!

FACT
Surely if the above points came from a cop you'd know what they were doing after 4.30?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:01:24 PM
Just to clarify a few points:

Device discovered at 3.30am
Controlled explosion carried out approx 4.30am
Mall and surrounding areas reopened about 11.30am

Now WTF the fcuk were they doing in between, obviously after
the controlled explosion they knew it was an elaborate hoax?

Main points above came from a Cop who was on duty there and grinning about how his shift ended at
7am but he was now on overtime!!!

FACT
FACTis northern slang for unsubstantiated opinions?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?
So you wouldnt believe them, you wouldnt be alone.  So what point would there be? You're placing a lot of faith in the IMC.
You haven't a clue do you  ::)
Well I haven't got a clue who you would trust. Not the PSNI, not the IMC , not NASA. Who do you trust?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
 ::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: milltown row on November 23, 2009, 10:10:37 PM


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Surely if the above points came from a cop you'd know what they were doing after 4.30?
[/quote]

eating Doughnuts ??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on November 23, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

Something like that would never happen. Ever been to Donegal? The names Noel McMahon and Kevin Lennon ring any bells?

I could have some fun explaining there / their and they're to you, but I can't be bothered.

Have you been drinking?

Where did I say never? All I say is, with evidence that is to hand at the moment the simplest and most likely answer is the RIRA planted this .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:11:40 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Look! They shot James Connolly and Padraig Pearse! What other excuse do we need? I heard that the PSNI are also kidnapping babies and selling them for £2 a go to unscrupulous Chinese takeaway owners in Belfast to make chicken curry. Also, do you see that X Factor? It was the PSNI that got Jedward put out (Special Branch at that!) and guess why? Because the police said to Simon Cowell that the two lads were Fenian b**tards! Also, see that flooding in Cumbria? You've guessed it - SPECIAL BRANCH! See that bomb on Saturday night - the one at the Policing Board - that was a peeler who was going to bomb the Felons Club but had a faulty sat-nav and ended up there. I could go on: oh! I forgot, see the Titanic? That was the Special Branch as well. A friend of mine - well, a friend of a friend - told me that the PSNI built that iceberg and sent it into the boat because - listen to this - because they said that Leanardo Di Caprio was working for them and passing on stuff to Kate Winslet whilst in bed and Freddie Scappaticci was watching and listening while "pulling the head of it" in the wardrobe. Watch scene 5 and you will see Scap's head in the background. ........................

And the f**kers shot Kennedy! - both of them!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.

Big difference between what Candyman says a police man says and what a police man says on the news. Even you must admit that!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.

Big difference between what Candyman says a police man says and what a police man says on the news. Even you must admit that!
So candyman is lying?
You're not willing to believe anyone that doesnt say what you want to believe
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
The Cop even said he hadn't a clue what they were at ( they being the bomb squad)

I don't wish to get into your petty squabble GNEVIN and co but that is exactly what he told me!!

GNevin FFS catch a grip man, why would I even want to make that up?
U just love the aul row don't ye....
On a final note, what in the fcuk would you know about Police, terrorism etc in the north to have such a strong opinion and have the cheek to say I'm lying?  ::)That's an honest question now?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that. Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.

Big difference between what Candyman says a police man says and what a police man says on the news. Even you must admit that!
So candyman is lying?
You're not willing to believe anyone that doesnt say what you want to believe
On the internet no one knows your a dog. I don't believe anything posted in discussions like this that doesn't have a link to back it up.

Sure a copper told me they where working very hard and Candyman is full of shit.   Prove me wrong!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
Quote from: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
The Cop even said he hadn't a clue what they were at ( they being the bomb squad)

I don't wish to get into your petty squabble GNEVIN and co but that is exactly what he told me!!
Well lets look at that. I assume the cop was manning the cordon. Firstly, he might not know what the bomb squad are at. Secondly, if he did, is he likely to disclose it to a random member of the public?
What does any of that prove?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that.
Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?

and only then? ha!
And now gnevin is talking about links ffs  :D

I'm done here, hope you two boys are happy in the world yous are living in.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that.
Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?

and only then? ha!
And now gnevin is talking about links ffs  :D

I'm done here, hope you two boys are happy in the world yous are living in.

In any discussion we've ever had here and in fact any discussion I've had here I've been able to produce a link to back up my claim  when challenge or I've withdrawn it.


POG surely you don't believe every random fact posted on the internet? How is my claim any more unsound than Candyman? Prove I'm talking crap and he isn't
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:23:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that.
Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?

and only then? ha!
And now gnevin is talking about links ffs  :D

I'm done here, hope you two boys are happy in the world yous are living in.
What are you talking about? You're the one who mentioned TV.
But no, not only then.
I'd be happy to question it if there was any reliable evidence to suggest that they'd kept the road closed for no good reason.
But there isn't any, as yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are

as I said to the schizophrenic PSNI officer today: look mate, why don't the two of yous just f**k off and leave me alone!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 23, 2009, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
I'm glad they're not the police force you think they are.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
The bottom line is that we all know what a useless pack of morons they are, and that when this land is once again reunited these clowns will be gone.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Abble on November 24, 2009, 07:54:33 AM
"It is understood soldiers from the elite Special Reconnaissance Regiment had monitored the movements of those involved in the Fermanagh attack for a number of days."


I would now be extremely concerned about the likes of this "Special Reconnaissance Regiment"...if they do want to go back to the good old days they're going the right road about it, the likes of this might get these crazies added support.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
I'm sure you do.


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
The bottom line is that we all know what a useless pack of morons they are, and that when this land is once again reunited these clowns will be gone.
Yes, and a super efficient police force will emerge out of thin air and all crime will be solved overnight... in less than 10 hours.

And again, your idea of how reunification seems a bit narrow. Where will these "clowns" go? Will Ireland not still require a police force?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
you are over suspicious imo
but having heard all about the bombs and hoax bombs from the 'war years' in the north of Ireland - 10 hours is a hell of a long time for them to deal with one - esp as modern tech should have speeded up tackling something like this. Though the cops could say they are out of practice.
Candymans post shows that the cops prob knew it was a hoax and decided to milk it for
1. overtime
2. as BC1 says - the exposure and the anti-dissident feeling it would bring up by causing disruptions.

you three are wasting your time attempting to discuss politics and esp anything related to the north with the likes of g(ullible)nevin. the alan partridge of the board - has no knowledge on most things but knows more about them than people with experience and expertise. So just ignore. Its like trying to teach basil fawltys parrot!

as for maguire and on how the ruc/psni have changed....that old chestnut -yes some lower ranking positions have changed as has the fairy at the top of the tree - but the power broking ranks from there down to middle management - they have not changed.
Nor have the tactics of trying to irritate locals in nationalist and catholic and also no surprise - republican areas.
Derry city experiences non policing of nationalist and catholic areas - turning locals against the cops - in places where the cops wouldnt be hated !!

sf have changed, they have jumped into bed with dup and are not seeking the full patten reforms as was intended and at one stage continually requested by sf.


dissidents have no following but because of ruc/psni actions, they are gaining support from a lot of kids. while thats nothing much to worry about right now, in time it could be as they get older.
we know that the cops are used to playing dirty tricks - such as not communicating the omagh bomb warnings in time to the masses, but the blame still lies with these dissident wnakers. kneecapping should make a comeback.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
Did anybody see UTV news last night 10.30 ?

Alex Maskey was on with Basil Mc Crea.

Paul Clarke was doing the interviewing - he asked Maskey about the dissident activity over the weekend. Maskey sang the usual SF song about how they've no support, no manadate, no future etc etc.

Clarke then stops him and says to him " but sure they ( the dissidents ) had good teachers in the Provisional IRA  !!! "


Maskey went bananas and started waving his finger at Clarke !! The truth hurts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
you are over suspicious imo
but having heard all about the bombs and hoax bombs from the 'war years' in the north of Ireland - 10 hours is a hell of a long time for them to deal with one - esp as modern tech should have speeded up tackling something like this. Though the cops could say they are out of practice.
Candymans post shows that the cops prob knew it was a hoax and decided to milk it for
1. overtime
2. as BC1 says - the exposure and the anti-dissident feeling it would bring up by causing disruptions.

you three are wasting your time attempting to discuss politics and esp anything related to the north with the likes of g(ullible)nevin.



When did Candyman become unquestionable? Do you believe everything he says?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 24, 2009, 10:12:37 AM
Im Top Man... I answer to nobody!!  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 24, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
You should have stopped there.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
for a change clarke would have been right - the dissidents top men were ex provos
but by all accounts these top brass are now either away or locked up with no QM or experts left to handle such tech creations as bombs.

the dissidents therefore are equiv to the loyalist/unionist gangs who fail miserably to properly make pipe bombs.
they manage to create risky dangerous devices, but these run the risk of blowing themselves up more than any intended targets.

if that is a picture of the car after impact, then either the 'bomb' imploded and sucked in the bodywork or the psni are severely out of touch in their bomb defusing techniques as the obv were using sledgehammers to set it off !
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: offtheground on November 24, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Think the car was rammed through the barriers, looks like they reversed it through before they legged it...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 24, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
You should have stopped there.

Why?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on November 24, 2009, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!

If a detonator could do that damage then who needs a bomb?  ::)

Is that a picture of a car blown up by a detonator?

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
I'm no more of an expert that you, but as we're making assumptions, on the basis of that picture, I would have thought the device might have been in the boot of the car, hence the back end blown out of it. If there was heavy impact from behind, i'd expect to see the bodywork crushed in, not blown open.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
as for maguire and on how the ruc/psni have changed....that old chestnut -
Again, for those with a selective reading issue, I have acknowledged on numerous occassions that policing reform is a work in progress.  And I acknowledge that some still say policing is ineffective in their areas. But i'm sure people in parts of Limerick, Dublin, London, Glasgow, Manchester... could all tell the same tale.

Yet despite the presence of a policing board, ombudsman, reports by the oversight commission on the implementation of Patten, huge turnover of personnel at all levels, you don't seem to be able to acknowledge any progress.
The fact that you continue to use "ruc/psni" would give the impression that you want to perpetuate the historic image of the police here; very much like the DUP and their use of "IRA/SF".

Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
but having heard all about the bombs and hoax bombs from the 'war years' in the north of Ireland - 10 hours is a hell of a long time for them to deal with one - esp as modern tech should have speeded up tackling something like this. Though the cops could say they are out of practice.
Candymans post shows that the cops prob knew it was a hoax and decided to milk it for
1. overtime
2. as BC1 says - the exposure and the anti-dissident feeling it would bring up by causing disruptions.
Once again, it didn't take 10 hours - it took about 8.
And Candyman's post shows nothing as it's no more reliable than any opinion on this board. It's funny that you can be suspicious about why the police kept the roads closed for 8 hours, yet you're happy to take the word of an anonymous poster on the internet at face value.
Now Candyman may well be telling the truth; but then who is to say the cop he was talking to told him the truth? Sure they can't be trusted!



Also, for anyone who has a problem with the 8 hour closedown and the way the police handled it, would it be an idea to hold the police to account at the next DPP meeting? Ask them to justify an 8-hour closedown. Or is it easier to sit back and give out on the internet?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: angermanagement on November 24, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on November 24, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.
That's far too logical.  :P
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 24, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on November 24, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.


Yes, they need to be sure but it should not take that long no matter the hour to determine that the thing is a hoax and that there are no booby traps, that is ridiculous and they completely ripped the arse out of it, overtime looks good for the delay to me.

History tells you this should have been cleaned up inside of two hours, I once watched them make that determination inside an hour with a suspect device on the mullinure road in Armagh, I could also have told them that it was a fake because I had seen the older lads from our area make it.

Before any of you start I was about twelve at the time.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: THE DADGA on November 24, 2009, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46786000/jpg/_46786184_bomb-car-first-pics-3_-lewi.jpg)

This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
for a change clarke would have been right - the dissidents top men were ex provos
but by all accounts these top brass are now either away or locked up with no QM or experts left to handle such tech creations as bombs.

the dissidents therefore are equiv to the loyalist/unionist gangs who fail miserably to properly make pipe bombs.
they manage to create risky dangerous devices, but these run the risk of blowing themselves up more than any intended targets.

if that is a picture of the car after impact, then either the 'bomb' imploded and sucked in the bodywork or the psni are severely out of touch in their bomb defusing techniques as the obv were using sledgehammers to set it off !
if tv has taught us anything its that bombs are set of by fire or a lit fuse etc. However in the real world its alot less visually exciting:(unless its a fire bomb) semtex, ammonium nitrate etc. Become unstable and explode due to a shock wave or somethin similar. Knowin the 'genius' RA the kicker was prob  a calor gas tank with a spark plug welded into the side of it hooked up to the car bat. But wat puzzles me is, if it was a stereotypical provo setup.and if the bomb was Drove into the side of the building it would have went off on impact. This didn't happen. I'd say it was an elborate Hoax!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 11:08:13 PM
Two charged with PSNI murder bid 

A man has been charged over the attack in Garrison
Two men, aged 32 and 26, have been charged with attempted murder over an attack in the County Fermanagh village of Garrison at the weekend.

One shot was fired at undercover police on Saturday. Police fired two shots in return but nobody was hurt.

Both men have also been charged with having a firearm with intent to endanger life.

The 26-year-old has also been charged with using a firearm with intent to resist arrest.

Three other men arrested after the incident were released without charge on Monday.

Two were arrested by the PSNI in Fermanagh and one by Irish police in County Leitrim.


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
Quote from: stew on November 24, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on November 24, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.


Yes, they need to be sure but it should not take that long no matter the hour to determine that the thing is a hoax and that there are no booby traps, that is ridiculous and they completely ripped the arse out of it, overtime looks good for the delay to me.

History tells you this should have been cleaned up inside of two hours, I once watched them make that determination inside an hour with a suspect device on the mullinure road in Armagh, I could also have told them that it was a fake because I had seen the older lads from our area make it.

Before any of you start I was about twelve at the time.
You should go to your next DPP meeting and ask them to account for the 8 hour closure and enquire as to how much overtime was incurred.
Tell them how long these things should take.
Hold them to account.

This is like saying the police should have a road opened within an hour after a car accident, because "history" tells me they did it once outside my house.
Or the fire service should put out a house fire in two hours, because "history" tells me they did that once down the road.
Or the exclusion zone and road closures at Mallusk last week due to the threat of a gas explosion - sure "history" tells me that the fire service were able to remove the exclusion zone at another gas incident within 5 hours.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
Another policeman targetted by dissidents, according to radio ulster news the man is seriously ill in hospital...




A policeman has been taken to hospital after a bomb exploded under his car in County Antrim.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said the officer's condition is not known at this stage.

There is an ongoing security alert at the scene of the explosion on Milltown Road in Randalstown.

No one has claimed responsibility for planting the bomb, which exploded at 0630 GMT.

The road has been closed and army technical officers have been called to the scene.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a spate of bomb attacks across Northern Ireland in the last year.

In October, a dissident group planted a bomb under a policeman's car in east Belfast.

His partner suffered minor injuries in the attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 08, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
Another policeman targetted by dissidents, according to radio ulster news the man is seriously ill in hospital...




A policeman has been taken to hospital after a bomb exploded under his car in County Antrim.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said the officer's condition is not known at this stage.

There is an ongoing security alert at the scene of the explosion on Milltown Road in Randalstown.

No one has claimed responsibility for planting the bomb, which exploded at 0630 GMT.

The road has been closed and army technical officers have been called to the scene.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a spate of bomb attacks across Northern Ireland in the last year.

In October, a dissident group planted a bomb under a policeman's car in east Belfast.

His partner suffered minor injuries in the attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm
Whilst the whole of the rest of NI was enjoying themselves watching you-know-who on the TV last night, happy to be at home in the warmth etc, it seems that one bunch of verminous c***ts were out in the cold planning their murderous scheme.

And the saddest things is, whilst one poor man lies seriously injured in hospital as a result, his plight will receive little or no attention, since we'll all still be laughing and jeering over the sordid antics of those Robinson twa ts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 08, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
This brings the furore about the Robinsons into context.

Two people being people just the same as happens in the republic.  Bertie Ahern and his fluid finances.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 10:20:43 AM
Sex sells EG
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 08, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
How stupid are they, the DUP are hanging by a thread and they do that. thick
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 08, 2010, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Stable accordiing to latest reports - he's going to be ok.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on January 08, 2010, 11:05:04 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 08, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
How stupid are they, the DUP are hanging by a thread and they do that. thick

Completely brainless...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on January 08, 2010, 01:33:04 PM
If it was indeed 'republicans' who carried this out they have to be some crowd of brainless idiots.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 08, 2010, 01:55:59 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2010, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 08, 2010, 01:55:59 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Don't worry there are plenty of those on the board. Especially with this kind of conspiracy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 08, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 08, 2010, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 08, 2010, 01:55:59 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Don't worry there are plenty of those on the board. Especially with this kind of conspiracy.
Too true!  Peter the Punt was seen horseback on Shergar, giving Lord Lucan a backie whistling Elvis songs on a grassy knoll outside Randalstown.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 08, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 08, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 08, 2010, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 08, 2010, 01:55:59 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Don't worry there are plenty of those on the board. Especially with this kind of conspiracy.
Too true!  Peter the Punt was seen horseback on Shergar, giving Lord Lucan a backie whistling Elvis songs on a grassy knoll outside Randalstown.


You saw that too ? I thought my eyes were decieving me.  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on January 08, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?

I heard that too.

Dissadent = dumbass
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 08, 2010, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 08, 2010, 01:55:59 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Eamonn Mallie says he was the captain of the PSNI GAA team.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: passedit on January 08, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
He is also a player with St Pauls Holywood. For those of you who are religious, he could do with your prayers at the moment.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on January 08, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
He is also a player with St Pauls Holywood. For those of you who are religious, he could do with your prayers at the moment.

He will have mine.

may God curse the animals that did this,  have no time for the PSNI but they dont deserve to get blown up and killed. I hope the get these scumbags and hang them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 08, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
i am at a loss as to what to say!! he is one of the most civil fellas you could ever meet, and for some dirty scumbags to do this is to him beggers belief!! my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family at this time!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 08, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: stpauls on January 08, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
i am at a loss as to what to say!! he is one of the most civil fellas you could ever meet, and for some dirty scumbags to do this is to him beggers belief!! my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family at this time!!
Well said, all right thinking people will have this man in their thoughts and prayers tonight.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on January 08, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

So throw every one of them into a jail cell and let the tramps fight with each other all they want. They need to be turned in. Not one more po;lice office should have to die at the hands of these cnuts. >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on January 08, 2010, 06:29:37 PM
Scum of the earth to do this! I remember him at School he was a Senior Prefect for our year and a civil fella! He was also at the Underdogs trial I was at a few years ago. A genuine guy who was going about his job. What do they hope to achieve by this??? It really beggars belief! Brainless sc**bag c***ts is all they are.

Prayers are with Peadar I hope he can get through this!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Said on the news he is a relation of a "senior Sinn Fein member".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
Terrible news. He is ten times a better Irishman than the pathetic halfwits who constructed,planted or support this bomb.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 07:14:52 PM
passedit, rest assured he will be in my prayers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 08, 2010, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
Terrible news. He is ten times a better Irishman than the pathetic halfwits who constructed,planted or support this bomb.

well said. .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Nobody blaming the Brits for planting the bomb this time ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 08, 2010, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 08, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Nobody blaming the Brits for planting the bomb this time ?

Nope- is wrong at any time but shows how brain dead these people are when all the focus was on humiliating and getting rid of the corrupt Robinson family.     
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 08, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Nobody blaming the Brits for planting the bomb this time ?
On the Robinsons thread hereiam alluded that Peter Robinson was behind it to get the heat off him  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: downredblack on January 09, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf

Made me smile when I seen it , remember it being said in our house . No idea what it means though .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on January 09, 2010, 02:43:20 PM
Of the first water (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/137550.html)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: downredblack on January 09, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
 Handy site that Hardy, book marked her .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Square Ball on January 09, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
Terrible news. He is ten times a better Irishman than the pathetic halfwits who constructed,planted or support this bomb.

here here
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on January 09, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Did the injured man ever play for St Mary's Magherfelt?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 09, 2010, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 09, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Did the injured man ever play for St Mary's Magherfelt?


Yep
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf

I am here to teach...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf

I am here to teach...

Fair n'uff... good one. I thought you just made it up yourself.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
Yes EG, some of us were saying it in the 1980s and 1990s and were laughed at by some SF lackeys even then. 

I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar

As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM


I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar
If that is how I come across, then I regret that, since I had hoped I was always careful in my use of language to be precise and specific (even at the cost of being thought a "windbag" etc). Which is why, for example, I was careful to exclude you explicitly from the above point I was making.

More generally, if I genuinely thought that "yis was all the same" etc, I wouldn't actually bother to post here; after all, what would be the point, if my comments where to meet a deaf ear across the Board?

Oh well.

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Indeed - the most important aspect of all this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eoghan Mag on January 09, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
Any chance we could get the name of this thread changed please? What makes them dissidents?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on January 09, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
It does take a self righteous, transparently vain gobshite like yourself to come on and make  that very point.
Whether you regarded the concluded armed conflict by Republicans as justified or unjustified, crime or war, comments like that have no respectful place in this thread just as comments supporting dissident republicans would not be fitting.
Militant republicans voted by a vast majority to accept the terms of the Belfast Agreement and have steadfastly stood by their signatures.

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?



Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 09, 2010, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 09, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
It does take a self righteous, transparently vain gobshite like yourself to come on and make  that very point.
Whether you regarded the concluded armed conflict by Republicans as justified or unjustified, crime or war, comments like that have no respectful place in this thread just as comments supporting dissident republicans would not be fitting.
Militant republicans voted by a vast majority to accept the terms of the Belfast Agreement and have steadfastly stood by their signatures.

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

Its simple ardmhachaabu & Evil Genius are 100% correct on this one.

Let me add my "I TOLD YOU SO"
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 09, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
got a text this evening saying that Peadar's condition is now seen as stable but he lost a lot of blood and has a long way to go. he used most of the hospitals blood reserve so if anyone wants to donate some, please go to www.nibts.org (http://www.nibts.org) for more information!! will let you know if i hear any more!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 09, 2010, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: stpauls on January 09, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
got a text this evening saying that Peadar's condition is now seen as stable but he lost a lot of blood and has a long way to go. he used most of the hospitals blood reserve so if anyone wants to donate some, please go to www.nibts.org (http://www.nibts.org) for more information!! will let you know if i hear any more!!!

Good to hear he is stable.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: stpauls on January 09, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
got a text this evening saying that Peadar's condition is now seen as stable but he lost a lot of blood and has a long way to go. he used most of the hospitals blood reserve so if anyone wants to donate some, please go to www.nibts.org (http://www.nibts.org) for more information!! will let you know if i hear any more!!!

thats great news. the people who did this will never change and the only hope is that the cops are successful in catching them
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 09, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Great to hear he's stable stpauls. Hopefully he can make a full recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 09, 2010, 09:32:02 PM
Has anyone heard of the 3 dissadents picked up in Belturbet Yesterday?  Haven't seen anything on the net.

Apparently a Garda/PSNI operation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 09, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 09, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 10:30:45 PM
Aye, I know most fairminded people can't quite reconcile Wee Martys "traitor" speech after Massereene with the previous 40 years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 09, 2010, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 09, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 09, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?




It's hard to reconcile this alright.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 09, 2010, 11:09:43 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 09, 2010, 09:32:02 PM
Has anyone heard of the 3 dissadents picked up in Belturbet Yesterday?  Haven't seen anything on the net.

Apparently a Garda/PSNI operation.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2010/0108/ireland/cavan-gardai-arrest-three-in-dissidents-probe-441234.html
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch link=topic=14567.msg711618#msg711618
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?

Hmmm.... I think there was something happened in the intervening years (1994-2010).

Not sure, but I have a vague recollection...

There was something...

Let me see.

Hmm...

No, it's gone.

Mustn't have been important.

Of course you're correct, can't argue when 'logic dictates'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 11:21:00 PM
What happened Donagh?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 09, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch link=topic=14567.msg711618#msg711618
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?

Hmmm.... I think there was something happened in the intervening years (1994-2010).

Not sure, but I have a vague recollection...

There was something...

Let me see.

Hmm...

No, it's gone.

Mustn't have been important.

Of course you're correct, can't argue when 'logic dictates'.

Sarcasm will never detract from the fact that the thing that dare not speak its name in SF circles is that 69-94 was a bit of a defeat - not an honourable draw - and calling the campaign in that period as heroic is like saying that Jade Goody with a face-lift would make her attractive.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 09, 2010, 11:19:32 PM
Ulick, are you Donagh?

No, I'm Spartacus.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch link=topic=14567.msg711645#msg711645
Sarcasm will never detract from the fact that the thing that dare not speak its name in SF circles is that 69-94 was a bit of a defeat - not an honourable draw - and calling the campaign in that period as heroic is like saying that Jade Goody with a face-lift would make her attractive.

A face-lift and worming treatment still wouldn't make her attractive at this stage.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM


I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar
If that is how I come across, then I regret that, since I had hoped I was always careful in my use of language to be precise and specific (even at the cost of being thought a "windbag" etc). Which is why, for example, I was careful to exclude you explicitly from the above point I was making.

More generally, if I genuinely thought that "yis was all the same" etc, I wouldn't actually bother to post here; after all, what would be the point, if my comments where to meet a deaf ear across the Board?

Oh well.

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Indeed - the most important aspect of all this.
EG, yes, I do think that's the way you come across at times. There have been threads where I have tried to point out that you were wrong in your idea of what the GAA is about and the political attitudes you seem to attribute to all GAA followers. I hope this exchange and posts from other people here will help to show you that some of us are moving on in every possible way, including the young PSNI officer

On the issue of the morality of killing PSNI/RUC/B Specials... killing is wrong, no matter who you are.  I know you didn't raise the issue, others did and I am just making myself clear here
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 11:56:15 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM


I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar
If that is how I come across, then I regret that, since I had hoped I was always careful in my use of language to be precise and specific (even at the cost of being thought a "windbag" etc). Which is why, for example, I was careful to exclude you explicitly from the above point I was making.

More generally, if I genuinely thought that "yis was all the same" etc, I wouldn't actually bother to post here; after all, what would be the point, if my comments where to meet a deaf ear across the Board?

Oh well.

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Indeed - the most important aspect of all this.
EG, yes, I do think that's the way you come across at times. There have been threads where I have tried to point out that you were wrong in your idea of what the GAA is about and the political attitudes you seem to attribute to all GAA followers. I hope this exchange and posts from other people here will help to show you that some of us are moving on in every possible way, including the young PSNI officer

On the issue of the morality of killing PSNI/RUC/B Specials... **killing is wrong, no matter who you are.**  I know you didn't raise the issue, others did and I am just making myself clear here

What about the death penalty for henious murders?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 10, 2010, 12:00:07 AM
I don't believe in it fox
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 12:02:44 AM
Guess what ardmhachaabu?... neither do I... hands across the Blackwater! We've finally agreed on something  :P
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 12:07:24 AM
Who the f*** asked you?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 12:15:56 AM
8) I'm cool and in control here but that Anagaire Bridge of yours could go up tonite if you get my drift...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 10, 2010, 12:17:43 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 10, 2010, 12:05:15 AM
ardmachaabu is not from Armagh. I've often wondered about his ardmacha connection. What is it?
See, that's where you are wrong.  I am from Armagh, my whole family is from Armagh, my ma's side and my da's side.  It's where I grew up went to primary and grammar school and that's that.  Are you just confused because I live in Belfast?  ;)

Get someone else to bite by the way, I am not having it  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 09, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 09, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?

how about this for an effort, there is no chance under the sun that violence will change anything in ni now. if the dissidents continue its violence for the sake of violence and thats beyond any doubt after the gfa. 90% of the pop knew this way before the gfa the vast majority of the rest got the message in the last few years. there are still a tiny few not listening. they need to be caught by the cops asap 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
Quote
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
excellent post and spot on.  Anyone who condems these attacks but felt other were fine is a hypocrite, plain and simple.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Miss Doubtfire on January 10, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
So refreshing to go on here and see that the majority of people seem to be against the disgusting and cowardly act carried out on Friday morning. Peadar is still very critical and even if he pulls through this, as I pray he will, he is going to have a lot to deal with in his recovery! Please keep him in your prayers!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
Quote
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
excellent post and spot on.  Anyone who condems these attacks but felt other were fine is a hypocrite, plain and simple.



SF as a whole as soon as it was policy to condemn attacks on the police etc started to condemn those were using violence but not sanctioned by them.



SF must then be a party of hypocrites as all of its membership supported the ballot box and the use of violence on its own or simultaneously ??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!


Surely that would be impossible ? It might take another generation or so for this to happen ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!
Right after FF say the targeting of policemen between 1918-1922 was wrong?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:42:24 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!

Surely that would be impossible ? It might take another generation or so for this to happen ?

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. There is this old SHITE that the IRA in days of yore (1916, 1921, 1922, 1956, early 1970s etc) were proud and upstanding fearless men. All crap! There is - and never will be - a clean war. The IRA men of the last epoch are now being turned into clean cut and brave defenders of the Nationalist people. History is being re-written by SF and the truth will be lost in a load of bollox! Just as the IRA tried to blame the Brits on Enniskillen, Bloody Friday etc, by the year 2016, the whole of the c**k-ups over the last 30 years will have been designated as Their Fault! ie - the Brits.
SF want a truth commission so as they can expose the collusion in the dirty war. That type of 'Truth' will only c ome when republicanism faces up to a few home truths - i.e. that the 'Long War' was a waste of time; "Victory" was never going to be realised; and basically that the targeting of police satisfied only a blood lust from within the hawk base of the IRA.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2010, 06:52:13 PM
What is their objective? united Ireland, brits/prods out?  are we to go for another 30 odd years before this is achieved and another 'group' starts up and fights for something else?

I've been very lucky growing up in a troubled land and avoiding the pitfalls, would be sad to see my kids grow up in something that has the potential to maim and kill loved ones.

wont be long before our prisons will be full of young men
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on January 10, 2010, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2010, 06:52:13 PM
What is their objective? united Ireland, brits/prods out?  are we to go for another 30 odd years before this is achieved and another 'group' starts up and fights for something else?

I've been very lucky growing up in a troubled land and avoiding the pitfalls, would be sad to see my kids grow up in something that has the potential to maim and kill loved ones.

wont be long before our prisons will be full of young men
If these young men are the ones going about planting bombs under police officers' cars, the sooner the better.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...   
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.
You'd know all about that. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 10, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Totally agree. The f**k wits involved in Fridays act wouldn't know what oppression,inequality or human rights are. Call me a hypocrite all ya want but there is no way anybody can compare what happened on Friday to what was happening back in the 60's or 70's.
Expecting the full brunt of EG/Myles etc I firmly believe that relative peace on this island would never have been achieved without the armed struggle,like it or not, I think thats a fact.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 10, 2010, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 10, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Totally agree. The f**k wits involved in Fridays act wouldn't know what oppression,inequality or human rights are. Call me a hypocrite all ya want but there is no way anybody can compare what happened on Friday to what was happening back in the 60's or 70's.
Expecting the full brunt of EG/Myles etc I firmly believe that relative peace on this island would never have been achieved without the armed struggle,like it or not, I think thats a fact.
What about what happened in the 80s and 90s?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.

For starters I aren't your friend... you really think the Brits/Orange state (same thing...rem collusion  :o) got the message in 1973... wat age are you? 21?  I ain't justifying everything the Provos did, I'm saying  something that could be justified in one era may be a lot harder to justify it now. Anyway, you protest too much whatever your baggage is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on January 10, 2010, 08:28:37 PM
To those differentiating between the moral basis of killing pre-1994 and now, what are the substantive differences between Sunningdale and Good Friday?

[Edit] Remiss of me to omit my good wishes to GAA man Peadar Heffron and my hope for his full recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.

For starters I aren't your friend... you really think the Brits/Orange state (same thing...rem collusion  :o) got the message in 1973... wat age are you? 21?  I ain't justifying everything the Provos did, I'm saying  something that could be justified in one era may be a lot harder to justify it now. Anyway, you protest too much whatever your baggage is.

I am not your friend either. So nah, na, ne, nah nah!!!

(a) So, IRA man booby-traps RUC car in 1970s and kills officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that was ALRIGHT - considering what they (the Brits) put us through! and (b) Militant republican booby-traps PSNI car in 2010 and maims officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that is BAD? because the Brits are ok now! (keep us in community-based jobs)   .. The fact is that (a) was roundly condemned back then as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" ... especially by constitutional Nationalists. Today, those involved in (b) are condemned by mainstream republicans as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" .. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Either the past is something that is being view through rose-tinted spectacles or, Heaven forbid, we are all members of the SDLP / Workers Party now?

ps - no agenda, just Devil's Advocate - a bit of debate on the past is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now.
that's not a fact, that's your opinion
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now.
that's not a fact, that's your opinion

My use of the words "if it was" puts the statement in the hypothetical. Thus, not my view and merely putting the sentence in historical context. Devil's Advocate - not opinion!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
sorry, missed "if".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 10, 2010, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 10, 2010, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 10, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Totally agree. The f**k wits involved in Fridays act wouldn't know what oppression,inequality or human rights are. Call me a hypocrite all ya want but there is no way anybody can compare what happened on Friday to what was happening back in the 60's or 70's.
Expecting the full brunt of EG/Myles etc I firmly believe that relative peace on this island would never have been achieved without the armed struggle,like it or not, I think thats a fact.
What about what happened in the 80s and 90s?

Im not getting into a big debate because these things have been debated to death many times.I will stand by what I said and Im definitely not the only one.
Maguire-Remember that Maggie Thatcher was in power in Britain in the 80's,definitely not a friend of the Nationalist people.. By the 90's there was little support for the armed struggle as things were beginning to turn and people were fed up with violence.
People painting the whole issue of the armed struggle as a black and white issue thats only aim was a United Ireland are blinkered and narrow minded IMO.

ps: Let me also wish the injured police officer a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now.
I'm not generalising i'm stating the perspective that many republicans held during that time. All killing is wrong, lets not beat about the bush on that one.. (sure if it was up to me no one would have died in the troubles,but its not that easy). The fact is the RUC were (for the most part) downright disgraceful, the fact that we now have the PSNI would suggest to a certain degree acknowledgement that the RUC was not an acceptable police force for anyone. I would also go as far to say that the political climate in the 70s/80s/early 90s is somewhat different to the one which we are now in and would go some way in explaining as to why SF condemn these attacks by dissidents
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:25:09 PM
Look lads. This argument has been exhausted. Perhaps we should remember that an officer is fighting for his life and save the whatabouteries for another time.

HOTB
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trileacman on January 10, 2010, 09:37:30 PM
As someone who hasn't taken sides in this one yet can I say that most of the sentiment expressed so far is much the same and the only wrong assumption made is that it is as clear as "black and white". History and, from experience, Irish History is never "black and white".

The debate is centering on the justification of criminal actions and I suppose there is no right or wrong here and not alot that can be changed or proven. Your viewpoint on the issues is based upon how much weight you put on the concept of "just war", emotionally charged conflict and an acceptable level of retribution.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trileacman on January 10, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past
The perpetrators of this action would consider it an "achievement" if violence would topple the NI assembly. The violence may someday do so, we don't know. Hence any act of violence will "achieve" something if the perpetrator has an aim in mind before committing it. What the majority would consider a catastrophe may be considered an achievement by some.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
Quote from: trileacman on January 10, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past
The perpetrators of this action would consider it an "achievement" if violence would topple the NI assembly. The violence may someday do so, we don't know. Hence any act of violence will "achieve" something if the perpetrator has an aim in mind before committing it. What the majority would consider a catastrophe may be considered an achievement by some.

Sorry, did you not read my previous post? Or are your brains in your arse? I am beginning to think that it is actually you in that picture of yours!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Miss Doubtfire on January 10, 2010, 09:57:11 PM
What the majority would consider a catastrophe may be considered an achievement by some.
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I think we are all aware that some imbeciles may see it like this. But it's not something any of us want to discuss!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: passedit on January 10, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
For those interested, Peadar came through a major operation this evening and things are looking slightly more positive.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 10, 2010, 10:33:43 PM
Glad to hear that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past


The IRA were told in the 70s, 80s and 90's that their violence would achieve nothing but it didn't stop them.


The so called dissidents are being told the exact same thing today and it probably won't stop them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.

For starters I aren't your friend... you really think the Brits/Orange state (same thing...rem collusion  :o) got the message in 1973... wat age are you? 21?  I ain't justifying everything the Provos did, I'm saying  something that could be justified in one era may be a lot harder to justify it now. Anyway, you protest too much whatever your baggage is.

I am not your friend either. So nah, na, ne, nah nah!!!

(a) So, IRA man booby-traps RUC car in 1970s and kills officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that was ALRIGHT - considering what they (the Brits) put us through! and (b) Militant republican booby-traps PSNI car in 2010 and maims officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that is BAD? because the Brits are ok now! (keep us in community-based jobs)   .. The fact is that (a) was roundly condemned back then as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" ... especially by constitutional Nationalists. Today, those involved in (b) are condemned by mainstream republicans as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" .. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Either the past is something that is being view through rose-tinted spectacles or, Heaven forbid, we are all members of the SDLP / Workers Party now?

ps - no agenda, just Devil's Advocate - a bit of debate on the past is not a bad thing.

WTF is that all about? Jees! I can't make haed or tail of all that shite... don't even know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pebble-dasher on January 11, 2010, 01:24:25 PM
What is a dissident republican?  Who are the real republicans they are dissenting from?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on January 11, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
Was the bombing of Berlin/shooting of Germans justified in WWII?

Would it be justified now?  Different times.

It is far too simplistic to gloss over things the way you have HOTB.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: aontroim on January 11, 2010, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

OM is referring to Conor McSherry being a founder member of St. Brigid's here I think - not Peadar Heffron.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: aontroim on January 11, 2010, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

OM is referring to Conor McSherry being a founder member of St. Brigid's here I think - not Peadar Heffron.


Correct.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: aontroim on January 11, 2010, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

OM is referring to Conor McSherry being a founder member of St. Brigid's here I think - not Peadar Heffron.


Correct.

Thanks - aye, was asking if Peadar was connected to Brigids, but thats cleared it up
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: red hander on January 11, 2010, 06:49:20 PM
McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'.  Even on occasions like this he can't hide his bigotry
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 11, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
What a petulent prat...I really do hope that seany's predictions are correct and exposed to put this idiot in his place.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on January 11, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
I read that Mc Crea is in court in Ballymena this week, over charges of copyright of a song,not sure if it`s lyrics or music he allegedly copied. He should be prosecuted for imatating a singer!

I hope Pedar recovers full health as soon as possible.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 11, 2010, 09:46:29 PM
Peadar has a big operation tomorrow, he will be in theatre for about 6 hours.  Please keep him in your prayers.

Padre Pio pray for him.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tots on January 11, 2010, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: JUst retired on January 11, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
I read that Mc Crea is in court in Ballymena this week, over charges of copyright of a song,not sure if it`s lyrics or music he allegedly copied. He should be prosecuted for imatating a singer!

I hope Pedar recovers full health as soon as possible.

he should get done for imitating a politican!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on January 11, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
My best wishes to Peadar .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 11, 2010, 10:24:06 PM
go neiri an bothar le Peader amarach.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 13, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
Heard on radio he had to he leg amputated  >:(  :'(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 13, 2010, 02:44:22 PM
Awful news.


Car bomb officer Peadar Heffron's leg amputated 

Constable Peadar Heffron was driving to work when the bomb exploded
A police officer injured in a dissident republican car bomb attack last week has had his right leg amputated.

Constable Peadar Heffron, 33, had surgery on Tuesday and remains critical, but stable.

He was injured when a bomb exploded under his car on the Milltown Road near Randalstown in County Antrim at about 0630 GMT on Friday.

The officer is an Irish language specialist for the PSNI and captain of the PSNI GAA team.

Mr Heffron has been in the police for 10 years and recently married. He is related to a senior Sinn Fein member.

He had been on his way to work at Woodbourne police station in west Belfast.

It is believed Constable Heffron had driven about a mile from his home when the bomb exploded and he was found breathing and conscious but bleeding heavily.

Dissident republicans have been blamed for the attack, but police have not yet said which grouping they believe were behind it.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a spate of bomb attacks across Northern Ireland in the last year.

In October, a dissident group planted a bomb under a policeman's car in east Belfast.

His partner suffered minor injuries in the attack.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on January 13, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
if this is the case this is very sad.

I cant understand the logic of these so called freedom fighters.
What actual progress do they actually think their actions are acheiving only the ruining of innocent lives like this mans.

This man will surely be devasted as now he may have to curtail his work commitments in a job he obviuosly loved and will now not be able to play a sport he loved.

My heart really goes out to this poor lad as im sure is the case with alot on this board.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 13, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
Sad news indeed, but very lucky to be alive.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 13, 2010, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 13, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
Sad news indeed, but very lucky to be alive.

lucky indeed but not out of the woods yet!! he is still critical but stable, but there is a lot of surgery to come, and if i know Peadar, he won't give up the fight!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nifan on January 13, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 13, 2010, 07:53:18 PM
I have heard that this was only the latest of many attacks on Peadar.  Those responsible for it should be ashamed of themselves, his death would not have furthered the cause in any way shape or form as he is a far better Irishman than all of those who planned and executed this cowardly attack on him
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: takeyourownpath on January 13, 2010, 08:00:46 PM
where ever these people got the idea that they are the "real" ira is beyond me. they are nothing but cowards and it's a disgrace that they can do this to their own countrymen.

best wishes to Peadar.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Newbridge Exile on January 14, 2010, 12:31:12 PM
Am keeping Peader in my Prayers at the minute in this difficult time, the mentality of the cowards who carried out this attack both infuriates and saddens me ;are they so naive/ gullible/ stupid / bigoted to believe that what they did will actually achieve anything?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on January 13, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.

What did McCrea do?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 14, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on January 13, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.

What did McCrea do?

McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 14, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on January 13, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.

What did McCrea do?

McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'.

:o

p***k.  >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: delboy on January 14, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 14, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on January 13, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.



What did McCrea do?

McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'.

Thats a pretty shitty thing to do  >:( its one thing calling bairbre de bruin Barbara Brown or Mrs Brown as a part of the banter across the chamber but the above shows a complete lack of respect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: aontroim on January 14, 2010, 05:21:43 PM
I was watching that and thought the same thing about McCrea at first but then when he said it again it sounded like he was saying Pe-dar in an attempt to pronounce it - prob my imagination though!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 14, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
Is this what we're back to ??



Pipe bomb found at Antrim community centre 
 
A pipe bomb has been found at an Antrim community centre where a GAA team was training, the town's mayor Adrian Watson has claimed.
A security alert was declared after the suspicious device was found outside the community centre on the Stiles estate.

Players from the local GAA club, who were in the centre playing football, were escorted from the premises.

Army technical officers have been called to the scene and the area has been cordoned off

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 15, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
Quote from: aontroim on January 14, 2010, 05:21:43 PM
I was watching that and thought the same thing about McCrea at first but then when he said it again it sounded like he was saying Pe-dar in an attempt to pronounce it - prob my imagination though!

I put my earphones on and watched it again via the BBC website. He definitely said Peter  >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 15, 2010, 09:27:05 AM
This is why this part of the world is going no where.

The Mayor of Antrim has expressed his revulsion at the incident.

Adrian Watson said it was a "disgusting attack by mindless thugs who had nothing to offer the community".

"These are young men training in a community centre surrounded by hundreds of homes," he added.

"They have done nothing wrong, bar being members of a GAA club."


This is the view of the supposedly moderate UUP.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 15, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
They have done nothing wrong, bar being members of a GAA club."

The meaning I take from this is that the only reason that they were targeted was that they were members of a GAA club.  No good reason.

On another topic, any word on Peader?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 15, 2010, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 15, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
They have done nothing wrong, bar being members of a GAA club."

The meaning I take from this is that the only reason that they were targeted was that they were members of a GAA club.  No good reason.

On another topic, any word on Peader?

Maybe we'r too naive Denn but thats the meaning I took from it too.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 15, 2010, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 15, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
On another topic, any word on Peader?

haven't heard anything in a day or two Denn, so as the saying goes, no news is good news. i will update the thread when i hear anything more.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 15, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The inference being that they are doing something inherently wrong by neing members of a GAA club in the first place.

They had done nothing wrong 'BAR' so that infers that it is wrong to be a member of the GAA and sends the message out that it really is ok to be targetting us all.

Im not be being too sensitive because this is the same guy who was offended by school children packing bags in tescos in their Jerseys, which they were asked to remove by a spineless manager.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 15, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
Brolly in the Gaelic Life today has a right go at the dissidents.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 15, 2010, 04:53:28 PM
guys, got this update this afternoon:

'Doctors are quite pleased with Peadar's progress and while he is he is not out of the woods yet, with his biggest danger now being one of infection, hopefully he will continue to improve.'
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 15, 2010, 07:32:25 PM
every day will be better hopefully, hes in my prayers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: comeontheredhands on January 15, 2010, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 15, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
Brolly in the Gaelic Life today has a right go at the dissidents.
brilliant article by brolly -one of his finest - well put joe
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 15, 2010, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: comeontheredhands on January 15, 2010, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 15, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
Brolly in the Gaelic Life today has a right go at the dissidents.
brilliant article by brolly -one of his finest - well put joe

Has it been posted or could someone do so?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on January 15, 2010, 10:50:01 PM
Its on the journo write off thread in the GAA section.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 16, 2010, 04:00:01 PM
Every Gael should read Trevor Ringland's letter in today's Irish News.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 16, 2010, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 16, 2010, 04:00:01 PM
Every Gael should read Trevor Ringland's letter in today's Irish News.
Yes, was a very good letter. Has anyone got access to copy and paste?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Miss Doubtfire on January 17, 2010, 10:22:31 PM
Peadar is still critical, though they said that he is now not the most urgent case in the hospital, which is good news! He is still heavily sedated though the shock when he comes round of losing his leg and some organs will be hard for him. However, on a more positive note, they were able to build him a hip with part of his thigh. It is amazing what can be done in hospitals, so we will just keep hoping and praying that he makes the best possible recovery.

Trevor Ringland's article was excellent!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 18, 2010, 11:33:41 PM



Great comments from Joe Brolly in todays Belfast Telegraph....Sums up exactly how I fell about these faceless cowards who attacked my countryman.



Monday, 18 January 2010

  Top GAA pundit slams dissident bombers

Prominent GAA figure and commentator Joe Brolly has slammed republican terrorists who tried to kill Catholic policeman Peadar Heffron.


In an outspoken newspaper column the ex-Derry football star branded dissident aims to "get rid of British rule" in Northern Ireland as "twaddle".

The All-Ireland winning player paid tribute to Mr Heffron's decision to join the PSNI in its fledgling days as he detailed his reaction to news that Mr Heffron had his right leg amputated at the hip following an under-car booby trap attack that has left him fighting for his life.

Mr Brolly, the son of prominent Sinn Fein politicians Francie and Anne Brolly, also told of the criticism he got for playing against the PSNI in a Gaelic match.

He said Mr Heffron is "building the Ireland we want".

"On the one hand, we have a lad professing Gaelic ideal openly, through the language and games," he wrote in a hard-hitting column for the Irish Mail.

"On the other, we have a man crawling under a car to try to kill him. Who is the better Irishman?"

PC Heffron — who was targeted by dissidents more than two weeks ago amid crucial policing deal talks between Sinn Fein and DUP — was breathing and awake when the paramedics arrived after the bomb exploded close to his Randalstown home. However, the young Creggan man has since remained unconscious in the Royal Victoria Hospital in Belfast, where his wife Fiona and their families maintain a vigil by his bedside.

In a similar attack late last year, republican dissident terrorists placed a booby-trap device under the passenger seat of a car belonging to the girlfriend of a police officer near his home in east Belfast.

The policeman targeted was on a day off and was not in the car when the blast ripped through the front of the car. His partner was slightly injured in the explosion.

Mr Brolly, a barrister, was a key player in the All-Ireland winning Derry team of 1993. He described Mr Heffron's injuries as horrific. "His pelvic area was destroyed," he wrote.

"The flesh and skin from his ruined right leg have been used to help rebuild his mid-section.

"He has been oblivious. He has see-sawed between life and death throughout the week."

Mr Heffron, who got married just six months ago, joined the PSNI soon after its formation, coming in with the second tranche of new recruits.

He soon became the captain of a newly-established PSNI Gaelic football team.

"His family and extended family are Irish to the bone, politically, socially and culturally," said TV pundit Brolly.

"Recently, Peadar addressed a policing board meeting in Derry 'as Gaeilge'. I thought that's what we all wanted, a police force where people could be what they were and freely express themselves without discrimination."

Mr Brolly — who played for St Brigid's (Antrim) against a PSNI team that included Mr Heffron a few years ago — said he hoped the young police officer would make a full recovery and return to work.

"When we played them, he was conspicuous by the ferocity of his play, all heart and soul," Mr Brolly said.

"I spoke to the chairman of the PSNI club and he said he would not be surprised if he (Peadar) becomes the first Gaelic footballer to take to the field with a prosthetic."



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/top-gaa-pundit-slams-dissident-bombers-14639156.html#ixzz0d0fOwYqY
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on January 19, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
Well said Joe. Its time the local communities turned on these bastards and started shopping them left right and centre.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winsamsoon on January 19, 2010, 06:55:03 PM
Fair play to Brolly the most poignant point was the question he posed "who was the better Irishman the coward under the car planting the bomb or Peadar"

I also think the GAA should be playing a bigger role in advertyising this though it is a difficult one to approach without getting labelled with the old political tags again. I was against the PSNI being able to play gaelic games but the GAA as an organisation endorsed it and i have accepted that decision and moved on. These cowards should really take a look at themselves. But it won't be long before these guys are touted on because society doesn't want people like this about.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 19, 2010, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 19, 2010, 06:55:03 PM
Fair play to Brolly the most poignant point was the question he posed "who was the better Irishman the coward under the car planting the bomb or Peadar"

I also think the GAA should be playing a bigger role in advertyising this
though it is a difficult one to approach without getting labelled with the old political tags again. I was against the PSNI being able to play gaelic games but the GAA as an organisation endorsed it and i have accepted that decision and moved on. These cowards should really take a look at themselves. But it won't be long before these guys are touted on because society doesn't want people like this about.
No no no - the GAA needs to keep out of politics, full stop.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winsamsoon on January 20, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
Whilst i understand your point pints i still think the GAA (as a representative of the community) should be promoting some sort of message that these thugs aren't wanted. But it is a hard one to juggle. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 23, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
Peadar was taken off the ventilator today.  He has regained conciousness and is now aware of the extent of his injuries.  He has spoken with his wife and family.  Very emotional time for him, but a big step forward towards his recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 23, 2010, 08:19:15 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 23, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
Peadar was taken off the ventilator today.  He has regained conciousness and is now aware of the extent of his injuries.  He has spoken with his wife and family.  Very emotional time for him, but a big step forward towards his recovery.
Very pleased to hear it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 23, 2010, 09:37:19 AM
Could the GAA or someone organise a charity game to celebrate Peadar's recovery?

Antrim vs Kerry in Casement?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 23, 2010, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 23, 2010, 09:37:19 AM
Could the GAA or someone organise a charity game to celebrate Peadar's recovery?

Antrim vs Kerry in Casement?

While I'm sure you mean well Denn, that is a no-no. Begs obvous question as to why there weren't charity games for hundreds of other GAA members injured in the Troubles and families of those killed. Can of worms...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 23, 2010, 03:31:40 PM
Fair enough. 

Living down south don't really understand or appreciaqte how difficult it can be.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 23, 2010, 03:40:09 PM
Still it wouldn't be a no-no for his club to raise funds for him. As I say you always get someone asks why not do it for some other boy before etc...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 24, 2010, 11:04:33 PM
I hear on the Beeb that there has been a gun attack this evening on the Crossmaglen Barracks - has S Armagh fallen out with SF or is it a case of a warning that another hole in the wall is about to be hit in the Square..?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 24, 2010, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 24, 2010, 11:04:33 PM
I hear on the Beeb that there has been a gun attack this evening on the Crossmaglen Barracks - has S Armagh fallen out with SF or is it a case of a warning that another hole in the wall is about to be hit in the Square..?
shots fired at it couple of weeks ago as well. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 25, 2010, 09:14:26 AM
Reports in one of the tabloids this morning that a relative of a top SF official has joined the RIRA - SHOCK, HORROR !!!

Front page news as well !!!   ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 27, 2010, 10:30:20 PM
Does anyone know anything about the shooting incident in Derry this evening?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 27, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 27, 2010, 10:30:20 PM
Does anyone know anything about the shooting incident in Derry this evening?


Never heard it  ?


What happened ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on February 06, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Not dissidents but at least another plank removed.  Now CIRA and RIRA have to be shown that there is no place for their activities.

Northern Ireland INLA paramilitaries dump terror cache 

   By Vincent Kearney
BBC NI home affairs correspondent 



The INLA has killed more than 120 people over the years
The Irish National Liberation Army has decommissioned its weapons, days before the body overseeing Northern Ireland paramilitary weapons ceases to exist.

The move took place in recent weeks and is expected to be confirmed on Monday by the INLA and General John de Chastelain, head of the IICD.

The INLA was a small, ruthless group which killed more than 120 people, including Tory MP Airey Neave in 1979.

In October, it said it would pursue its aims by exclusively peaceful means.

The republican paramilitary group is believed to have been responsible for 111 murders from its formation in 1975 until its ceasefire in 1998, but it is still thought to have been involved in a number of murders since then.

As recently as February 2009, the INLA claimed responsibility for the murder of a drug dealer in Londonderry.

It came to world prominence in 1979 with the murder of Conservative Northern Ireland spokesman Airey Neave by leaving a bomb under his car in the House of Commons car park.

It was behind one of Northern Ireland's worst atrocities when it killed 17 people in a bomb attack on the Droppin' Well pub in Ballykelly, County Londonderry, in 1982.

The group's political wing, the Irish Republican Socialist Party held a parade in Bray, County Wicklow, four months ago and announced that the organisation had renounced violence.

At present paramilitiaries moving weapons can use a certificate from the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning (IICD) saying they are moving arms from one cache to another to facilitate decomissioning.

On 9 February, the legislation that allows the IICD to operate ends and any weapons found after that date can be forensically tested.

Evidence from this could be used in future court cases and possibly help secure convictions.

Last month the loyalist paramilitary group the Ulster Defence Association also decommissioned.

The government had made it clear to the UDA that after the legislation expired that they would be treated as common criminals that the police would actively seek their weapons.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 06, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Not dissidents but at least another plank removed.  Now CIRA and RIRA have to be shown that there is no place for their activities.

Northern Ireland INLA paramilitaries dump terror cache 

   By Vincent Kearney
BBC NI home affairs correspondent 



The INLA has killed more than 120 people over the years
The Irish National Liberation Army has decommissioned its weapons, days before the body overseeing Northern Ireland paramilitary weapons ceases to exist.

The move took place in recent weeks and is expected to be confirmed on Monday by the INLA and General John de Chastelain, head of the IICD.

The INLA was a small, ruthless group which killed more than 120 people, including Tory MP Airey Neave in 1979.

In October, it said it would pursue its aims by exclusively peaceful means.

The republican paramilitary group is believed to have been responsible for 111 murders from its formation in 1975 until its ceasefire in 1998, but it is still thought to have been involved in a number of murders since then.

As recently as February 2009, the INLA claimed responsibility for the murder of a drug dealer in Londonderry.

It came to world prominence in 1979 with the murder of Conservative Northern Ireland spokesman Airey Neave by leaving a bomb under his car in the House of Commons car park.

It was behind one of Northern Ireland's worst atrocities when it killed 17 people in a bomb attack on the Droppin' Well pub in Ballykelly, County Londonderry, in 1982.

The group's political wing, the Irish Republican Socialist Party held a parade in Bray, County Wicklow, four months ago and announced that the organisation had renounced violence.

At present paramilitiaries moving weapons can use a certificate from the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning (IICD) saying they are moving arms from one cache to another to facilitate decomissioning.

On 9 February, the legislation that allows the IICD to operate ends and any weapons found after that date can be forensically tested.

Evidence from this could be used in future court cases and possibly help secure convictions.

Last month the loyalist paramilitary group the Ulster Defence Association also decommissioned.

The government had made it clear to the UDA that after the legislation expired that they would be treated as common criminals that the police would actively seek their weapons.



How many millions did they get ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 07, 2010, 02:27:46 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:51 PM


How many millions did they get ???


None, they're not Loyalists!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on February 07, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 07, 2010, 02:27:46 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:51 PM


How many millions did they get ???


None, they're not Loyalists!



Hardly fair that they didn't get a few pound, same as the rest !!   ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on February 23, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
Dissidents blamed for Newry car bomb
Tuesday, 23 February 2010 09:50


Dissident republicans are being blamed for a car bomb attack at a court in Northern Ireland last night.

Police said it was a 'miracle' no one was injured in the explosion outside Newry courthouse in Co Down shortly after 10.30pm.

The main gates were badly damaged in the explosion, which was within walking distance of restaurants and bars.

AdvertisementPolice were still evacuating the scene when it detonated.

Two coded bomb warnings were received at a local hospital and business around 30 minutes before the device went off.

Police Service of Northern Ireland area commander Chief Inspector Sam Cordiner condemned those responsible.

'It is only by sheer miracle that nobody was killed or injured,' he said.

The vehicle was reversed into the security gates of the court before being abandoned.

The area remained cordoned-off early this morning as British Army bomb disposal experts checked for other devices.

The DUP MLA for Newry and Armagh William Irwin said: 'This was a cowardly action by those who want to drag Northern Ireland back to the past and must be condemned across the community by all those who believe in democracy and oppose terrorism.'

The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

This one actually went off.
Is it a sign of things to come?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 11:14:18 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on February 23, 2010, 11:19:35 AM
PSNI helicopter currently buzzin over Kilwilke.. ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Leo on February 23, 2010, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 11:14:18 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.

Yes, and I dont believe there was a bomb in Newry, just a wee squib left over from last Hallowe'en. And I don't believe there was a real bomb in Omagh, or a Pope in Rome, or a clown posting such sh*t as above on this thread.
And the Derrynoose car burned itself out so it did.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JohnDenver on February 23, 2010, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 23, 2010, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 11:14:18 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.

Yes, and I dont believe there was a bomb in Newry, just a wee squib left over from last Hallowe'en. And I don't believe there was a real bomb in Omagh, or a Pope in Rome, or a clown posting such sh*t as above on this thread.
And the Derrynoose car burned itself out so it did.

Baker Bradley!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 23, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 23, 2010, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 11:14:18 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.


Yes, and I dont believe there was a bomb in Newry, just a wee squib left over from last Hallowe'en. And I don't believe there was a real bomb in Omagh, or a Pope in Rome, or a clown posting such sh*t as above on this thread.

And the Derrynoose car burned itself out so it did.


If you don't believe that the Security forces are capable of fradulent alerts to heighten tensions and fears then you are very naive.

If you don't think that not examining evidence in such a serious matter for 3 days is acceptable then you are worse than naive.

None of that takes away from the fact that the current dissident campaign is utterly pointless and morally reprehensible.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 12:29:28 PM
WTF are you on about Leo? I'm just highlighting a number of inconsistensies in the psni investigation based on personal observation. What has this to do with Omagh etc? No need for personal insults. p***k
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on February 23, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
I think it was a disgruntled shop owner in Dundalk.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 23, 2010, 07:12:44 PM
QuoteTHE Official Republican Movement in Newry has been involved in face-to-face talks with loyalist paramilitaries in a bid to bring about a shared and peaceful future, the Democrat can reveal.

Earlier this month the Official IRA announced that they had decommissioned its remaining weapons just hours before the deadline set by John de Chastelain.

The move was facilitated by the ORM and in particular members of the organisation's Newry branch who were approached by the Official IRA to help deliver the process.

Part of that process saw ORM members involved in ongoing meetings in Newry with loyalists from south Down and neighbouring areas.

Newry ORM spokesperson Wilbur McKevitt said the meetings have been positive and are vital in moving away from the past.

"The initial reason for the meetings was to address issues which have contributed to sectarian attitudes and perceptions that have persisted and continue to lead to a lack of understanding and trust in areas like Newry, south Down and south Armagh and pose a threat to the long-term prospects for peace," he said.

"We found there is much more in common than there is to divide. It was working-class areas that bore the brunt of more than 35 years of sectarian murder and tit-for-tat killings with Catholic and Protestant communities living in fear of each other while the political elite on both sides fuelled the fear and mistrust by focusing on building a tribal head count for the next election.

"That quality of life of their constituents seemed to matter little with the major emphasis on keeping the other side out.

"All of this mayhem continued while people in these communities struggled to provide a decent living for themselves and for their families.

"These problems were and still are hidden under a sectarianised body politic, but the issues are starting to come to the fore now and hopefully real politics might develop."

Mr McKevitt said the meetings have already begun to yield tangible results. "We have been on a number of trips together and took people from loyalist paramilitary backgrounds to a GAA match in Croke Park and it wasn't as intimidating as they were led to believe," he added.

While Mr McKevitt insisted that the ORM would not be contesting future elections, he said the organisation still has a vital role to play.

"We have no party political aspirations," he insisted. "The strategy going forward for Official republicans will continue to reflect and emphasise our commitment to the development of a body politic that has moved away from the deeply entrenched sectarianised political system that has defined, driven and dominated politics here for generations. Though as a group we do not have electoral or party political aspirations, we believe that we can use our influence and our unique record of working across traditional boundaries to advocate peaceful, democratic and inclusive progress which benefits the entire community.

"We will continue to promote politics that is focused on the issues that impact upon the quality of life of all who live here."

What did the Stickies decommiission? Rust? There has to be money in this, otherwise the Sticks wouldnt be anywhere near it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on February 23, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
Wrong wing Trevor, PLC still have their guns.  It's ORM who decommissioned
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2010, 07:30:59 PM
QuoteTHE Official Republican Movement in Newry has been involved in face-to-face talks with loyalist paramilitaries in a bid to bring about a shared and peaceful future, the Democrat can reveal.

WTF
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 23, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2010, 07:30:59 PM
QuoteTHE Official Republican Movement in Newry has been involved in face-to-face talks with loyalist paramilitaries in a bid to bring about a shared and peaceful future, the Democrat can reveal.

WTF
A grant will be involved somewhere.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on February 23, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
The thing I don't fully understand is how these dissident groups still exist.  From what I can tell the ordinary working class family don't support them.
Why doesn't anyone stand up to them? Why don't these "officials" put them out of the towns?

The majority of people know who they are - I am in America now about 5 years and I can rhyme off the majority of them in Armagh town.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on February 25, 2010, 09:22:43 AM
Can they be blamed for everything ?


Man found shot dead in Derry
Thursday, 25 February 2010 08:48
A man has been found shot dead on the outskirts of Derry.

Local reports have said that the man had apparently been shot twice in the head.

The semi-clothed body was found last night on the Braehead Road close to the border on the road to Letterkenny.

AdvertisementIt is believed that a passing motorist saw what he believed to be a body and raised the alarm.

The victim is thought to have been in his late 30s but has not yet been identified.

There is no indication as to why the man was shot or when the shooting took place.

The area was cordoned off by the PSNI and they have appealed for information.

Mark Durkan of the SDLP condemned the killing and said people would be disgusted and appalled at what he called a 'brutal and crude murder'.

Sinn Féin MLA Martina Anderson yesterday said 'the vast majority of people in Derry would absolutely condemn what has happened here in their city this evening'.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Yes I Would on February 27, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0227/armagh.html

Useless c***ts.. How hard can it be to at least hit the building!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on February 27, 2010, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on February 27, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0227/armagh.html

Useless c***ts.. How hard can it be to at least hit the building!!
I hate to be the one to tell you this, they are useless c***ts because they are even trying to hit the building with a mortar.  Thanks be to God there are no injuries or worse this time
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on March 19, 2010, 11:19:40 PM
I have it on good authority that the Brits have called Obama, Cowen and Robinson tonight to tell them that they intend to withdraw from the Six Counties as from April 1st. The final straw it seems was the spate of bogus bomb alerts in Derry and Belfast today which it seems has caused consternations in the City of London with many multi-national banks indicating that they will sell up and move to the Far East if England don't "sort it out". It seems that the freedom of Ireland has been won by two unemployed men with balaclavas who hijacked a bus in Ladybrook today - and credit must go to the guy with the stolen mobile in Andytown who phoned through the other bogus calls throughout Belfast. People caught up in the traffic chaos today were naturally thankful to the freedom fighters who ruined many family dinners with their brave actions from a safe and silly distance. One man said: this is pissing me off, but fair play to these boys as the Brits are shiteing themselves now! More to follow but there are rumours that the UN are on their way to Belfast as the situation deteriorates and traffic is at a go-slow!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on March 20, 2010, 02:10:58 AM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on March 19, 2010, 11:19:40 PM
I have it on good authority that the Brits have called Obama, Cowen and Robinson tonight to tell them that they intend to withdraw from the Six Counties as from April 1st. The final straw it seems was the spate of bogus bomb alerts in Derry and Belfast today which it seems has caused consternations in the City of London with many multi-national banks indicating that they will sell up and move to the Far East if England don't "sort it out". It seems that the freedom of Ireland has been won by two unemployed men with balaclavas who hijacked a bus in Ladybrook today - and credit must go to the guy with the stolen mobile in Andytown who phoned through the other bogus calls throughout Belfast. People caught up in the traffic chaos today were naturally thankful to the freedom fighters who ruined many family dinners with their brave actions from a safe and silly distance. One man said: this is pissing me off, but fair play to these boys as the Brits are shiteing themselves now! More to follow but there are rumours that the UN are on their way to Belfast as the situation deteriorates and traffic is at a go-slow!!!

:D :D :D

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jen Cui on March 20, 2010, 04:27:08 AM
Any hole??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 20, 2010, 10:18:23 AM
Its all over, the Brits have had enough. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8577172.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on March 20, 2010, 10:42:13 AM
I presume these lads regard themselves, in the traditional fashion, as the lawful government of Ireland. In that case, I was wondering where's their passport office? The Mrs can't get a passport off the crowd who are supposed to be temporarily running the country because they're on a "go-slow", so where should she apply for Real Passport?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on March 20, 2010, 10:55:14 AM
Why do people who claim to want to unite Ireland stop the flow of traffic and rail commuters up and down the country?... partitionists... and on  a weekend an All Ireland team is representing every tradition on the island...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 20, 2010, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 20, 2010, 10:42:13 AM
I presume these lads regard themselves, in the traditional fashion, as the lawful government of Ireland. In that case, I was wondering where's their passport office? The Mrs can't get a password off the crowd who are supposed to be temporarily running the country because they're on a "go-slow", so where should she apply for Real Passport?

Tell her to send an email to newpasswrords@rira.co.uk they will then reset her password  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on March 20, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 20, 2010, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Hardy on March 20, 2010, 10:42:13 AM
I presume these lads regard themselves, in the traditional fashion, as the lawful government of Ireland. In that case, I was wondering where's their passport office? The Mrs can't get a password off the crowd who are supposed to be temporarily running the country because they're on a "go-slow", so where should she apply for Real Passport?

Tell her to send an email to newpasswrords@rira.co.uk they will then reset her password  ;D

Arra feck. It's that kind of a week.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2010, 01:57:12 PM
What a crowd of arseholes. Celebrated Easter by stencilling CIRA and burning out a skip lorry in Umgola. Was supposed to get the train this morning but the tramps in Kilwilkee called in a bomb warning on the line. Heroes all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on April 13, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
 Suspect car left at police gates in Newtownhamilton  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8616922.stm)
 
Army technical officers are dealing with a suspicious device left in Newtownhamilton in County Armagh.

SDLP MLA for the area Dominic Bradley said he understood a car had been abandoned in Shambles Lane, close to the police station.

Up to 60 houses were evacuated in Newry Street and the Commons area of the village.

The alert began at about 0200 BST. Dozens of residents were moved to Newtownhamilton High School.

Mr Bradley said there were similarities to bombs left by dissident republicans which exploded in Newry in February and close to MI5's Northern Ireland headquarters in Holywood, County Down on Monday.

"It seems as if this incident has a similar modus operandi to that used at Newry courthouse and Palace Barracks in that a suspect vehicle has been left at the gates of the police station," he said.

"Newtownhamilton is quite a large, heavily-fortified station. If it were to explode it would do negligible harm to the actual police station but would be more harmful for other buildings nearby."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:22:51 AM
Vehicle explodes at PSNI station

There has been an explosion outside a police station in Newtownhamilton, County Armagh.

The explosion happened at about 2325 BST on Thursday.

Police were made aware that a vehicle had been abandoned when a call was made to a Belfast hospital at 2230 BST. Police were enroute to the station when the explosion happened.

There are no reports of any injuries. Fire crews are at the scene, and have evacuated residents from their homes.

Last week the army defused a car bomb outside the town's police station.

Earlier on Thursday security sources told the BBC the threat posed by dissident republicans has risen to the highest level in 12 years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:31:15 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on April 23, 2010, 12:35:29 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:31:15 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.

Did you vote for her Ziggy? The first time I mean as she was unapposed the second time.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on April 23, 2010, 12:35:29 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:31:15 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.

Did you vote for her Ziggy? The first time I mean as she was unapposed the second time.

I was denied a vote  :P
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on April 23, 2010, 08:08:21 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
I was denied a vote  :P

Suppose ye would have voted for Dana anyway ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on April 23, 2010, 08:44:24 AM
Didn't hear it on the Ormeau.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on April 23, 2010, 09:36:48 AM
all very quiet in Glengormley as well
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on April 23, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
I see the dissidents have really hit the brits were it hurts by injuring a woman in her 80's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8638902.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on April 23, 2010, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 23, 2010, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 23, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
I see the dissidents have really hit the brits were it hurts by injuring a woman in her 80's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8638902.stm
Where does it say she is a brit?
[/quote

It doesn't, just highlights the stupidity of these attacks.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on April 27, 2010, 01:21:40 PM
Some better news. Peadar has been sitting up on the end of the bed and has some feeling in his leg. They're working on the lower bit at the moment but he's in good form. Visiting is still restricted because of the ongoing risk with infections. Keep him in your thoughts/prayers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 27, 2010, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 27, 2010, 01:21:40 PM
Some better news. Peadar has been sitting up on the end of the bed and has some feeling in his leg. They're working on the lower bit at the moment but he's in good form. Visiting is still restricted because of the ongoing risk with infections. Keep him in your thoughts/prayers.

Terrific news stpauls. Hopefully Peadar will continue on his road to recovery and will be up and about in no time.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on April 27, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 27, 2010, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 27, 2010, 01:21:40 PM
Some better news. Peadar has been sitting up on the end of the bed and has some feeling in his leg. They're working on the lower bit at the moment but he's in good form. Visiting is still restricted because of the ongoing risk with infections. Keep him in your thoughts/prayers.

Terrific news stpauls. Hopefully Peadar will continue on his road to recovery and will be up and about in no time.

there are a couple of guys on the PSNI team running the marathon on Monday to raise funds to take Peadar and his wife to New York next year. the PSNI are playing the NYPD and they hope to bring them over for the game, god willing that he is fit enough to be able to travel!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on April 28, 2010, 03:15:57 PM
I hope the PSNI get a good reception at the game - I will go up myself and support the game.

You will find that a lot of ex-pats politics lean more towards Republican as they spend less and less time in Ireland.  Theres also the "Irish" Americans to contend with.....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 05, 2010, 12:22:18 AM
Explosion at Lurgan barracks?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on May 05, 2010, 12:23:37 AM
Pipe bomb apparently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on May 05, 2010, 12:30:50 AM
I heard it and I'm in Omagh!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 08:27:58 AM
Fcuk me, the place is being done up and they do this. have they no shame? ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 05, 2010, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 08:27:58 AM
Fcuk me, the place is being done up and they do this. have they no shame? ;)
Lurgan is being done up? Is there enough money in the world?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 09:02:33 AM
Tony, come and see for yourself. Be prepared for traffic jams and nowhere to park. :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 05, 2010, 09:09:48 AM
Quote from: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 09:02:33 AM
Tony, come and see for yourself. Be prepared for traffic jams and nowhere to park. :)
Any time I'm through Lurgan the cars on that big main street are just abandoned rather than parked! Is that the bit they are doing up?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 05, 2010, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 05, 2010, 12:30:50 AM
I heard it and I'm in Omagh!

I live in Lurgan and didn't hear it :o FFS i've done more damage with farts than that stupid thing they threw at the cop shop ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 05, 2010, 09:40:44 AM
Not a sound in Cork.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 05, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 05, 2010, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 08:27:58 AM
Fcuk me, the place is being done up and they do this. have they no shame? ;)
Lurgan is being done up? Is there enough money in the world?

Tony that we pipe bomb is part of phase 2 of our public realm works...lol
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on May 05, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Not a sound in Glengormley
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 12:31:14 PM
The only damage I noticed was a broken window at the top of North St. in the solicitors office.
Their aim must have been bad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winsamsoon on May 05, 2010, 03:38:11 PM
The damage to the solicitors was caused by the crowds running up for claims lol
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: take_yer_points on May 05, 2010, 04:23:42 PM
This could be elsewhere in the thread but there's a lot to read through to try and find it.

I see there's 7 people arrested today on suspicion of dissident activity. What percentage of the total number of the dissident group(s) do you think this would account for? I was just wondering on what number of people anyone thinks would be involved in this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 05, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 05, 2010, 04:23:42 PM
This could be elsewhere in the thread but there's a lot to read through to try and find it.

I see there's 7 people arrested today on suspicion of dissident activity. What percentage of the total number of the dissident group(s) do you think this would account for? I was just wondering on what number of people anyone thinks would be involved in this.

It's a clumsy way of looking at it TYP. Most likely the groupings have a small core of full time activists, supplemented by others on the fringes, others who will supply support materials, others who give information, others political support, other general hangers on and of course all their close relations.

The PSNI may find it useful to lift and question persons from one or more of the loose categories and piece their intelligence infomation. So even though 7 were arrested they could me mostly sympathisers or hangers-on in which case it would be a completely insignificant number when taken from their complete support base (prob 3k-4k in the north) or on the other hand if they are hard core players it could be significant (I'd guess 50-150).
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: take_yer_points on May 05, 2010, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 05, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 05, 2010, 04:23:42 PM
This could be elsewhere in the thread but there's a lot to read through to try and find it.

I see there's 7 people arrested today on suspicion of dissident activity. What percentage of the total number of the dissident group(s) do you think this would account for? I was just wondering on what number of people anyone thinks would be involved in this.

It's a clumsy way of looking at it TYP. Most likely the groupings have a small core of full time activists, supplemented by others on the fringes, others who will supply support materials, others who give information, others political support, other general hangers on and of course all their close relations.

The PSNI may find it useful to lift and question persons from one or more of the loose categories and piece their intelligence infomation. So even though 7 were arrested they could me mostly sympathisers or hangers-on in which case it would be a completely insignificant number when taken from their complete support base (prob 3k-4k in the north) or on the other hand if they are hard core players it could be significant (I'd guess 50-150).

Cheers Ulick - I often wondered approximate numbers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on May 15, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
Was this the incident hs?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8682151.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8682151.stm)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 17, 2010, 01:12:53 PM
Blast bomb thrown at peelers in Kilwilkie in Lurgan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 17, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 17, 2010, 01:12:53 PM
Blast bomb thrown at peelers in Kilwilkie in Lurgan.

Thats what they get for wakening them lads up before noon :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 17, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 17, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 17, 2010, 01:12:53 PM
Blast bomb thrown at peelers in Kilwilkie in Lurgan.

Thats what they get for wakening them lads up before noon :D

:D :D :D


Blast bombs are thrown at police in Lurgan 

Two blast bombs and up to seven petrol bombs have been thrown at police dealing with a security alert in Lurgan, County Armagh.

A number of other missiles have been thrown at the scene of the alert in Lake Street. Six police officers suffered minor injuries.

Earlier a number of houses were evacuated due to the alert, which has now been declared a hoax.

Police have advised people to avoid the area.

Train services have now returned to normal after being disrupted by the alert.

Police said a hard core of about ten people orchestrated a crowd of up to thirty during the trouble.

The injuries suffered by the officers are understood to include ringing in the ears after the blast bombs were thrown.

One of the bombs was thrown over the roof of a house which police described as "completely indiscriminate" as those who threw the bomb could not have known who was going to be in the area where it landed.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 17, 2010, 06:15:11 PM
When they say "blast bombs", what are we talking about here - vinegar and baking soda/ bathroom cleaner and tin foil in a plastic bottle? That'll certainly cause some eh... sore ears. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 22, 2010, 10:15:07 PM
Gardaí foil major dissident bomb operation
Saturday, 22 May 2010 21:17
Two men have been arrested after gardaí foiled a major dissident bombing operation this evening.

Armed gardaí led by detectives from Dundalk raided a premises at Mountpleasant, north of the town on the old Newry Road at around 7pm.

Two men, in their 30s and 50s, were found working on a trailer.

AdvertisementTwo six foot gas cylinders were discovered inside the covered trailer. They had been modified with their tops cut off and it is understood they were being prepared for a bombing operation across the border.

It is not clear if the cylinders were to be used as improvised mortars to launch an attack at a target or whether they were to be used as a large bomb.

The two men were arrested at the scene and have both been taken to Drogheda Garda Station.

The area is sealed off as Garda forensic experts examine the area and the equipment found.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.

On a related note I was quite pleased with the bit of work I did today. The 7 month old is starting to crawl and stand so I got a 55 gallon drum, cut it in half, cleaned her up, lined the inside with upholstery foam and rubber. Now the wee man can hold onto the sides as he stands up and looks around - and can't crawl into any bother. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2010, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.

On a related note I was quite pleased with the bit of work I did today. The 7 month old is starting to crawl and stand so I got a 55 gallon drum, cut it in half, cleaned her up, lined the inside with upholstery foam and rubber. Now the wee man can hold onto the sides as he stands up and looks around - and can't crawl into any bother.
Youll need to let him out at some stage if you want him to walk. That's free advice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 23, 2010, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2010, 11:38:19 PM
Youll need to let him out at some stage if you want him to walk. That's free advice.

Waiting till we get into the new house, too many sharp edges in this one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.
The two men arrested were found working on the cylinders - caught red handed going by the RTE report. I'd imagine the Gardai didn't stumble across this on the off-chance.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 23, 2010, 07:28:41 PM
One of the men arrested is a son of Colm Murphy, who was cleared after retrial in connection with the Omagh bomb.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 23, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.
The two men arrested were found working on the cylinders - caught red handed going by the RTE report. I'd imagine the Gardai didn't stumble across this on the off-chance.


These dissident lads are wasting their time - they're totally infiltrated.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on May 23, 2010, 08:50:40 PM
No doubt about there is a mole in their ranks

(http://goinglikesixty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/AustinPowers_Mole.jpg)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
There was a small group Behind the goals at Casement today holding up a big banner for 'Republican POWs'. It was good to see the stewards intervene after about 15 seconds.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 23, 2010, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 11:05:07 PM
Two peeler jeeps went down the Glen Road with Antrim flags attached to their windows.

How nice.

Saw a policeman coming out of a shop beside Casement this morning with a newspaper and a bottle of coke. They were putting out the cones at the time. Times have changed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 23, 2010, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!
Correction: two six foot gas cylinders with their tops sawn off, attached to a covered trailer.

What do you reckon they were making? A set of giant mobile flower pots?  ::)

Meanwhile, in other news, the entire population of Ireland was today declared to be made up of total feckin idiots, bar two people calling themselves "Ulick" and "Donagh"... :o
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 12:02:58 AM
There could be a prefectly innocent explanation as to why they were cutting the tops off gas bottles and welding them to a trailer. The two lads are just waiting on their solicitors to tell give them an explanation. Meanwhile they are saying nothing, which would be a first for that organisation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?
Who knows? It might  be hard to prove some sort of a criminal offence in Court on the back of what was found.

I'd still be interested to know what they were  doing, mind.

Because my first instinct was that they may have been preparing some sort of bomb, and I wouldn't like to be thought an idiot by Donagh Ulick...

P.S. It wouldn't have been some sort of elaborate child-minding device for unveiling at the next episode of "Dragons Den"? Or a new design for a biscuit tin?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?
Who knows? It might  be hard to prove some sort of a criminal offence in Court on the back of what was found.

I'd still be interested to know what they were  doing, mind.

Because my first instinct was that they may have been preparing some sort of bomb, and I wouldn't like to be thought an idiot by Donagh Ulick...

P.S. It wouldn't have been some sort of elaborate child-minding device for unveiling at the next episode of "Dragons Den"? Or a new design for a biscuit tin?
Testing cheating methods for the Guider race in the west Belfast festival.

They'll never get done for this.
Has the Republic done away with that law* which said that people could be locked up for terrorist offences on the word of a senior Gardai officer?

* - I'm paraphrasing, obviously
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 23, 2010, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!
Correction: two six foot gas cylinders with their tops sawn off, attached to a covered trailer.

What do you reckon they were making? A set of giant mobile flower pots?  ::)

Meanwhile, in other news, the entire population of Ireland was today declared to be made up of total feckin idiots, bar two people calling themselves "Ulick" and "Donagh"... :o

I do a lot of work for a company that designs and builds trailers so I can think of any number of reasons why one might fix a couple of cylinders to one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 23, 2010, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!
Correction: two six foot gas cylinders with their tops sawn off, attached to a covered trailer.

What do you reckon they were making? A set of giant mobile flower pots?  ::)

Meanwhile, in other news, the entire population of Ireland was today declared to be made up of total feckin idiots, bar two people calling themselves "Ulick" and "Donagh"... :o

I do a lot of work for a company that designs and builds trailers so I can think of any number of reasons why one might fix a couple of cylinders to one.
So tell me (assuming the Press Reports are accurate), why do you  think these two particular individuals were fixing sawn-off 6 foot gas cylinders to a covered trailer in a shed two miles from the border with Northern Ireland?

Preparing a novel kind of Ice Cream Van for Downpatrick Races? A stage set for the Irish Eurovision entry? Their contribution to the Co.Louth Space Exploration Programme?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
They were definitely preparing a bomb,  but it was in the early stages. The Gardai look to have jumped in too soon, but if they had waited they may have lost it (again), so it is wrong to be too critical. Sadly both these men will be back on the streets within days.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 11:27:55 AM
So tell me (assuming the Press Reports are accurate), why do you  think these two particular individuals were fixing sawn-off 6 foot gas cylinders to a covered trailer in a shed two miles from the border with Northern Ireland?


I didn't say I knew what they were doing, I said the evidence was extremely flimsy. There are any number of reasons they may have welded a few cylinders onto a trailer, the most obvious being to weigh down the trailer so it isn't blown over - the 'cover' consisting of two advertisement hoardings fixed in an apex, which would catch the wind. So if the trailer, looks like a mobile advertisement it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it actually is a mobile advertisement - off which there are quite a lot in that part of the country.

Now I'm no expect but I've watched enough IRA propaganda videos to know that yes gas cylinders (certainly not 6ft long though) have been used for mortars, but as part of the charge, not the launching tube. The reports of this say that the cylinders were fixed onto the trailer which would only make them only useful as the launching tube.

Common sense would also tell you that a small trailer such as this one would be no good for a mortar as the kick back on the first launch would move the trailer so far that the aiming for the second would be way off. If they were simply to be used as a bomb casing, then where is the rest of the bomb - surely the common sense thing to do would be to build the bomb first and then fix it to the trailer.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 24, 2010, 12:21:08 PM
You tell them Ulick saan ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 12:47:07 PM
Surely the common sense thing for the gardai to do would have been to wait and see if it really was a bomb. After it went off there'd be no doubt, would there? And then they'd have the two lads bang to rights. Stupid cops, interfering with peacable citizens building mobile advertisements.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 12:47:07 PM
Surely the common sense thing for the gardai to do would have been to wait and see if it really was a bomb. After it went off there'd be no doubt, would there? And then they'd have the two lads bang to rights. Stupid cops, interfering with peacable citizens building mobile advertisements.

No the common sense thing would be to build a case before putting out all sorts of of nonsense about a "bomb factory" or maybe we have dispensed with the presumption of innocence?

This kind of carry-on reminds me of the stuff that was going on in Donegal a few years ago, except the Gards there at least had the sense to make their finds actually look like bomb making materials.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 12:57:07 PM
It does all sound a bit like the A-Team  :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:13:54 PM
I didn't say I knew what they were doing, I said the evidence was extremely flimsy. There are any number of reasons they may have welded a few cylinders onto a trailer, the most obvious being to weigh down the trailer so it isn't blown over - the 'cover' consisting of two advertisement hoardings fixed in an apex, which would catch the wind. So if the trailer, looks like a mobile advertisement it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it actually is a mobile advertisement - off which there are quite a lot in that part of the country.
Jeez, that's prime bullshit, even by your standards, Donagh Ulick.

I didn't ask you what they were doing. Rather, in the light of your self-professed expertise in trailers etc, I was inviting you to speculate on what they might   have been doing. After all, you claimed that it might have been explained by "any number of reasons".

Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:13:54 PM
Now I'm no expect but I've watched enough IRA propaganda videos to know that yes gas cylinders (certainly not 6ft long though) have been used for mortars, but as part of the charge, not the launching tube. The reports of this say that the cylinders were fixed onto the trailer which would only make them only useful as the launching tube.

Common sense would also tell you that a small trailer such as this one would be no good for a mortar as the kick back on the first launch would move the trailer so far that the aiming for the second would be way off. If they were simply to be used as a bomb casing, then where is the rest of the bomb - surely the common sense thing to do would be to build the bomb first and then fix it to the trailer.
"Common sense"?

If you weren't so determined to try to prove otherwise, the only thing "common sense" would tell you is that these were two nasty, evil c u n t s who caught red-handed whilst preparing a murderous atrocity against fellow Irish men, women and maybe children somewhere nearby.

Or fixing up a trailer to advertise a local shop... ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
This kind of carry-on reminds me of the stuff that was going on in Donegal a few years ago, except the Gards there at least had the sense to make their finds actually look like bomb making materials.
The subtle difference this time is that the twats were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

You've already answered that yourself - to use as ballast e.g. fill with sand.

Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
If you weren't so determined to try to prove otherwise, the only thing "common sense" would tell you is that these were two nasty, evil c u n t s who caught red-handed whilst preparing a murderous atrocity against fellow Irish men, women and maybe children somewhere nearby.

As requested, I have presented a plausible explanation as to why they might have fixed two cylinders to a trailer and raised questions as to why they wouldn't be suitable for explosive devices. You have presented nothing other than bigotry and bile. Now they may have been preparing a device or they may not have been preparing one, but we're all thankful the likes of you will have no say in adjudicating on the evidence.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
There were no bombs, they were (wait for it) mobile advertisements :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
There were no bombs, they were (wait for it) mobile advertisements :D

Was there, how do you know?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
There were no bombs, they were (wait for it) mobile advertisements :D

Was there, how do you know?
Apologies, you are right - in fact you are never wrong.  This was a totally innocent promotional activity interuppted by those dastardly guards. Leave the entrepeneurs of Dundalk alone as they go about their day to day business.
I accept you were right all along and this is a totally innocent venture.

Yours in dreamland,
Doogie Browser.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
Apologies, you are right - in fact you are never wrong.  This was a totally innocent promotional activity interuppted by those dastardly guards. Leave the entrepeneurs of Dundalk alone as they go about their day to day business.
I accept you were right all along and this is a totally innocent venture.

Yours in dreamland,
Doogie Browser.

I'm very often wrong, in fact I was wrong only yesterday about the game, but if you ever gather the balls to engage in a mature discussion do feel free to drop back again.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
Apologies, you are right - in fact you are never wrong.  This was a totally innocent promotional activity interuppted by those dastardly guards. Leave the entrepeneurs of Dundalk alone as they go about their day to day business.
I accept you were right all along and this is a totally innocent venture.

Yours in dreamland,
Doogie Browser.

I'm very often wrong, in fact I was wrong only yesterday about the game, but if you ever gather the balls to engage in a mature discussion do feel free to drop back again.
Mature debate and Ulick is the best oxymoron I have ever encountered. 
Balls is an apt word for you to choose because fankly your contribution to this thread has been in a word - balls.  Blinded is another word. Blinkered another.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

You've already answered that yourself - to use as ballast e.g. fill with sand.

As requested, I have presented a plausible explanation as to why they might have fixed two cylinders to a trailer
You claimed to know "any number of [possible] reasons why etc". Ballast is just one, and constructed on, ahem, sand, at that. What are your other possible explanations (unless by "any number", you meant "any number so long as it is 'one'")

Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
You have presented nothing other than bigotry and bile.
"bigotry"? Yeah, right.  ::)

But I'll give you "bile" all right, since I think that that is entirely appropriate for those vermin who participate in despicable terrorism of the type which the Republic's Government and Police Force feel they have thwarted on this occasion.

Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Now they may have been preparing a device or they may not have been preparing one, but we're all thankful the likes of you will have no say in adjudicating on the evidence.
And we should all be bloody thankful that an apologist like you has no say in the fight to counter the activities of the savages who are doing their damnest to terrorise the rest of us into acceding to their will.

But I guess holding that view makes me a "bigot", too...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:43:42 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:40:55 PM
Mature debate and Ulick is the best oxymoron I have ever encountered. 
Balls is an apt word for you to choose because fankly your contribution to this thread has been in a word - balls.  Blinded is another word. Blinkered another.

Now you've got the little hyperbolic rant out of the way would you care to engage with anything specific or are you still looking for those balls?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

You've already answered that yourself - to use as ballast e.g. fill with sand.

As requested, I have presented a plausible explanation as to why they might have fixed two cylinders to a trailer
You claimed to know "any number of [possible] reasons why etc". Ballast is just one, and constructed on, ahem, sand, at that. What are your other possible explanations (unless by "any number", you meant "any number so long as it is 'one'")

Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
You have presented nothing other than bigotry and bile.
"bigotry"? Yeah, right.  ::)

But I'll give you "bile" all right, since I think that that is entirely appropriate for those vermin who participate in despicable terrorism of the type which the Republic's Government and Police Force feel they have thwarted on this occasion.

Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Now they may have been preparing a device or they may not have been preparing one, but we're all thankful the likes of you will have no say in adjudicating on the evidence.
And we should all be bloody thankful that an apologist like you has no say in the fight to counter the activities of the savages who are doing their damnest to terrorise the rest of us into acceding to their will.

But I guess holding that view makes me a "bigot", too...

I have already presented one plausible explanation which you have not been able to refute, so I have no intention of wasting my time on others.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)

So have you finished with the 'bomb factory' now?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)

So have you finished with the 'bomb factory' now?
Just so long as you've finished with your 'trailer park'...

Anyhow, I'm getting mighty confused. Who is this I'm debating with?

"SF Donagh" or "eirige Ulick"?  ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on May 24, 2010, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)

So have you finished with the 'bomb factory' now?

might be like Annie Maguire's bomb factory ::)never existed
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
It's a toughie OK. Homemade bomb or mobile ad? I can't make my mind up. S'pose I'll have to rely on the guards being right after their surveillance operation. I know, I know. They've been wrong before. They've been worse than wrong on occasion.

But I'd be willing to wait and find out, rather than knee-jerk my way over to the side of any piece of pond scum that applies the word "Republican" to itself. I'm embarrassed, really, to find myself part of the 99.99% of people who would be on the side of the guards in this debate.

Call me deluded if you like, but in my simple world it's actually a good thing to intercept bombs or potential bombs or even things that mightn't be potential bombs at all but "mobile advertisements" before there's even a chance of their being used to tear human flesh and limbs apart.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
But I'd be willing to wait and find out, rather than knee-jerk my way over to the side of any piece of pond scum that applies the word "Republican" to itself. I'm embarrassed, really, to find myself part of the 99.99% of people who would be on the side of the guards in this debate.


Is that not exactly the position I have been putting forward? However the press releases that have come out since this raid have been nothing more than one big "knee-jerk" and as you seem to support them, is this not at odds with your "wait and find out" policy?

Where did you get the bit about the "surveillance operation"? I didn't see that in any of the press releases? For all we know it was a tip-off or maybe Mrs Murphy down the road complaining about noise.

Either way, relying on a trailer and two acetylene cylinders in a workshop or shed as evidence of a "bomb factory" is pretty dangerous territory. In fact, I've got a trailer and a few of those cylinders in my own garage - should I expect to be lifted and have my reputation ruined the next time the neighbours wonder why I'm cutting up oil drums in the middle of the night?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 05:19:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.


In which case, they're already on to you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 24, 2010, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?

Maybe they did but hey if it stopped a bomb.  Also I guess the trail that led the guards to them might tell a story too.  I doubt the guards are yet at the stage of raiding random workshops to retro-fit cases.

Either way they might think that having to let these guys go and so stopping a crime is better than leaving things go for the sake of waiting for a better case and then losing them?

I haven't noticed any massive groundswell against the boys in blue in the media or anything that would give a motive for some kind of fit up and the operation seems too big to be local lads settling a score.

The balance of probabilities here suggests these guys were up to no good.

/Jim.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?

My turn not to lose any sleep worrying about that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
Have we found a republican Willie Frazer on this thread?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
The latest report from the Independent Monitoring Commission will describe the threat posed by dissident advertising trailer makers as "significant and severe", according to Justice Minister Dermot Ahern.

The Minister said advertising trailer groups were expanding their capabilities and becoming more adept at trailer-making.

The latest IMC report was compiled before gardaí in Dundalk disovered a trailer factory over the weekend.

Two people are still being questioned in relation to the find.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?

My turn not to lose any sleep worrying about that.

The Free State is still alive and well south of the border then.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
But I'd be willing to wait and find out, rather than knee-jerk my way over to the side of any piece of pond scum that applies the word "Republican" to itself. I'm embarrassed, really, to find myself part of the 99.99% of people who would be on the side of the guards in this debate.


Is that not exactly the position I have been putting forward? However the press releases that have come out since this raid have been nothing more than one big "knee-jerk" and as you seem to support them, is this not at odds with your "wait and find out" policy?

Where did you get the bit about the "surveillance operation"? I didn't see that in any of the press releases? For all we know it was a tip-off or maybe Mrs Murphy down the road complaining about noise.

Either way, relying on a trailer and two acetylene cylinders in a workshop or shed as evidence of a "bomb factory" is pretty dangerous territory. In fact, I've got a trailer and a few of those cylinders in my own garage - should I expect to be lifted and have my reputation ruined the next time the neighbours wonder why I'm cutting up oil drums in the middle of the night?
Why would you be cutting up drums in the middle of the night? Unusual.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
Why would you be cutting up drums in the middle of the night? Unusual.

Couldn't sleep with the worry of making an RIRA suspect list.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 07:16:27 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?

My turn not to lose any sleep worrying about that.

The Free State is still alive and well south of the border then.

What border?

I have no idea what that might mean, but I can't imagine you want me to lie awake at night worrying about whether you might be on a suspect list if you weren't entitled to be on it. And if you WERE entitled to be on it, I'd be damn glad the guards were keeping an eye on you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on May 24, 2010, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
Where did you get the bit about the "surveillance operation"? I didn't see that in any of the press releases? For all we know it was a tip-off or maybe Mrs Murphy down the road complaining about noise.
According to the RTE report:
For several weeks gardaí and the Police Service of Northern Ireland have been working on a major surveillance operation against dissident republican groups.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0523/drogheda.html

The report also makes reference to a planned operation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 25, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
Man in court over bomb discovery


Gardai and a forensic officer at the scene of the bomb find A 56-year-old man from Dundalk has been remanded in custody at the Special Criminal Court in Dublin charged with the possession of explosive materials.

The charges relate to the discovery of an alleged dissident bomb-making factory near Dundalk at the weekend.

Philip McKevitt from Aghaboy, Mountpleasant, is charged with possession of a modified trailer and two gas cylinders.

A second man in his 30s is still being held.

Mr McKevitt, who appeared in court with a bandage on his head, stood briefly as the charge was read out but did not speak.

His lawyer told the court Mr McKevitt had suffered injuries to his head and body and needed medical attention.

He was remanded in custody until 8 June
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on May 26, 2010, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 12:57:07 PM
It does all sound a bit like the A-Team  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVb77pF8DQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVb77pF8DQ)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 26, 2010, 08:23:04 PM
Did I hear correctly on the news last night when it said he was being charged with "possession of a modified trailer and two gas cylinders"? It's as well Hannibal and BA didn't live in the 'Free State'. Come to think of it, just as well I don't live there either or I'd need to have one hell of a garage sale.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Final Whistle on May 27, 2010, 10:05:03 AM
Major disruption on the A4, dissidents are some expert operators!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on June 18, 2010, 12:24:02 PM
350 people flee homes in Aughnacloy van bomb alert



Hundreds of people are still out of their homes following a bomb alert at a police station in County Tyrone.

A large area around Aughnacloy PSNI station remains closed as army experts examine a white van which was abandoned at Dungannon Road on Thursday at 2210 BST.

About 350 people left their homes and spent the night in three halls.

A local councillor said he understood the van contained a bomb made up of 300 - 500 pounds of explosives.

Police have not confirmed this.

Residents said the van was left outside the PSNI station, the door was lying open and the engine was running.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a number of car bomb attacks on police stations in Northern Ireland this year.

It is understood a burnt out car was found just over the border from Aughnacloy, in the Republic of Ireland.

Some roads around the village remain cordoned off in the security operation and Aughnacloy Primary School will be closed all day.

The main street in Aughnacloy is now partially open and the A5 is accessible, however the main Aughnacloy to Dungannon road is closed.

The alert was raised in a telephone warning to a Belfast newspaper office. It is believed the call was from dissident republicans and the caller used a recognised code word.

DUP councillor Sammy Brush in Aughnacloy
DUP councillor Sammy Brush said it appeared to be a large bomb.

"I have been told reliably by a police officer that it was a viable device, it contained commercial explosives and would appear to be somewhere in the region of 300 pounds and 500 hundred pounds of commercial explosives.

"I understand it was a viable device. Had it gone off, it would have caused serious destruction and death," he said.

"There is nothing getting in, or out, of the vicinity of the police station."

Mr Brush said only an hour's warning was given and it was difficult, in that time frame, to get elderly people and young children out of bed and out of their homes.

He said the evacuation seemed "fairly well organised" and that there was "no panic".

"There's a little bit of anger and disbelief but I suppose the longer this goes on, the feelings will probably get stronger."

Sinn Fein MP for Fermanagh and South Tyrone Michelle Gildernew said those responsible for the device should "seriously reflect on what they are doing".

"The first thing to say is that people in Aughnacloy will be relieved this morning that no damage has been done and nobody has been injured in last night's attempted attack on the PSNI station," she said.

"However, people are angry at the disruption that has been caused particularly to elderly people and young children who were forced from their homes overnight.

"Their actions are no part of a campaign to bring about Irish unity and they have little or no popular support."

Ulster Unionist MLA for Fermanagh and South Tyrone Tom Elliott said it was "deeply distressing" such incidents were "becoming a familiar feature of life in Northern Ireland once again".

"Unfortunately, the events of recent months have shown that there is no such thing as being too careful - these thugs have no respect for life," he added.

"Their determination to injure and maim is indiscriminate."

SDLP MLA Tommy Gallagher said: "Those who planted this device show a selfish contempt for the people of Aughnacloy who deserve to live their lives without fear of violence.

"The SDLP has always condemned the use of violence. It was wrong in the past and it is still wrong now. Anyone with information should contact the police immediately."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on June 18, 2010, 01:03:37 PM
Why is the colour of the van significant? RTÉ radio this morning also referred throughout the report not to "the van" but to "the white van".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on June 18, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
Orangemen in Drumcree walk threat
Page last updated at 09:20 GMT, Friday, 18 June 2010 10:20 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version  Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission for the first time since 1998.

The Orange Order has failed to notify the Parades Commission that it wants to parade there this summer.

It is required to submit a form known as an eleven-bar-one, to serve notice of its intention to parade.

The order has confirmed no form was submitted before this month's deadline.

"At the moment, Portadown District has not submitted the eleven-bar-one form for the annual Drumcree church parade on Sunday, July 4," an Orange Order spokesman said.

In a statement, the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition (GRRC) in Portadown said it believed the order had decided to "engage in a game of brinkmanship" with the Parades Commission and to "unnecessarily raise tensions in Portadown and elsewhere".

Sinn Fein MLA John O'Dowd, who is a member of the working group established by the First and Deputy First Ministers to examine parading, said he thought the order was "making a mistake".

"There is a danger of raising tensions in an area where if tensions were raised it could affect right across the north," he said.

He said for many people in Portadown the "Drumcree parade issue is over".

"Over the last 10 years it has largely been peaceful and both sides of the community can get on with their lives," he added.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on June 18, 2010, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 18, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
Orangemen in Drumcree walk threat
Page last updated at 09:20 GMT, Friday, 18 June 2010 10:20 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version  Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission for the first time since 1998.

The Orange Order has failed to notify the Parades Commission that it wants to parade there this summer.

It is required to submit a form known as an eleven-bar-one, to serve notice of its intention to parade.

The order has confirmed no form was submitted before this month's deadline.

"At the moment, Portadown District has not submitted the eleven-bar-one form for the annual Drumcree church parade on Sunday, July 4," an Orange Order spokesman said.

In a statement, the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition (GRRC) in Portadown said it believed the order had decided to "engage in a game of brinkmanship" with the Parades Commission and to "unnecessarily raise tensions in Portadown and elsewhere".

Sinn Fein MLA John O'Dowd, who is a member of the working group established by the First and Deputy First Ministers to examine parading, said he thought the order was "making a mistake".

"There is a danger of raising tensions in an area where if tensions were raised it could affect right across the north," he said.

He said for many people in Portadown the "Drumcree parade issue is over".

"Over the last 10 years it has largely been peaceful and both sides of the community can get on with their lives," he added.

To quote the inimitable Willie Frazer,

"The people who organized the march knew there would be trouble so they are the ones who are solely responsible for it"

By his logic the paras would have every right to turn up and shoot these people.

What a w**ker that man is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:16:59 PM
Explosion in South Armagh?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
Whitecross apparently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 10, 2010, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
Whitecross apparently.
I'm reading...

bomb exploded on the Carrickavaddy Road between Cullyhanna and Dorsey in South Armagh around 1730BST

bomb had been placed inside a black jeep and was underneath a bridge when it exploded.

Whitecross bridge I think. There are no reported injuries.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:49:18 PM
BBC on the ball. Just the hour and a half late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_ireland/10588031.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2010, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:49:18 PM
BBC on the ball. Just the hour and a half late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_ireland/10588031.stm
Did you need to use the bridge?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 10, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10584986.stm

Well done the Guards in that particular incident. 5 wankers (alleged) scooped.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 11, 2010, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on July 10, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10584986.stm

Well done the Guards infiltrators in that particular incident. 5 w**kers (alleged) scooped.

This organisation is like a tea bag there's so many holes in it.

Notice how in the old days, the cops ( not the Gardai admittedly ) would have taken a few trophies and shot these lads dead.

The deal done with Marty and boys is no more martyrs.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on July 16, 2010, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

I think they should be congratulated.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Clown on July 16, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

why didnt they start the riot during the march?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2010, 10:59:25 AM
Anyone see Gerry Kelly grabbing the young lad by the scruff of the neck and pulling him away from throwing a rock. Fair play to him, pity the scumbags parents weren't out doing the same!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2010, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: Clown on July 16, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

As will stealing Irish peoples' luggage off a train in Lurgan  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 16, 2010, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

I think they should be congratulated.


Definitely they should be congratulated.

Both for their leadership roles and their incredible audacity. Time was Gerry used to organise the riot. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

Can you elaborate orangeman?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 16, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

Can you elaborate orangeman?

Elaborate on what ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2010, 06:38:42 PM
The reports, what is supposed to have happened?

Some of us dont get the irish news this far west.  :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on July 16, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
I'd like to know if it was the old IRA or Sinn Fein's wannabe foot soldiers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: Clown on July 16, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

why didnt they start the riot during the march?
GK has a cheek, it's not so long ago shinners organised protests against Orange parades which led to riots

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on July 16, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 16, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
I'd like to know if it was the old IRA or Sinn Fein's wannabe foot soldiers.

Gerry Kelly, Bobby Storey and Eddie Copeland. Offhand between the three of them you'd be talking 50 years inside, 150days on hunger strike and three or four gunshot wounds.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 08:54:58 PM
150 days on hunger strike?  Please explain

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on July 16, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 08:54:58 PM
150 days on hunger strike?  Please explain

http://tinyurl.com/27v6qh9 (http://tinyurl.com/27v6qh9)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: wikipediaUpon imprisonment in England, Kelly, and the other prisoners went on hunger strike demanding political prisoner status and to be transferred to prisons in Northern Ireland. After 205 days on hunger strike, when Kelly was force fed 170 times by prison officers, Kelly was transferred to Long Kesh prison in Northern Ireland in April 1975

Is that what you are on about?  If so, my grasp of maths makes it substantially less than 150, unless he was on a Loyalist hunger-strike
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 09:52:31 PM
He was force fed 170 days
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 10:03:01 PM
That's why I asked flippantly if it was a Loyalist hunger strike he was on.  The whole tradition of stailc ocrais is about not eating and in some cases drinking.  I get that the intention was there, is it fair to say he was on hunger strike the whole time though?  I don't think so
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
I am not going to agree hs, let's leave it at that  :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on July 16, 2010, 11:19:15 PM
What a p***k, maybe you should Google Michael Gaughan as well.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 11:53:36 PM
HS, all I am saying is that saying Kelly was on hunger strike for 205 days when he had some nourishment forced into him on 170 occasions during that time.  That's not the same as the hunger strike Bobby Sands underwent and I think to talk about what Kelly did in the same terms isn't exactly accurate.  Certainly the intention was there on his behalf, I wouldn't doubt that.  I am not questioning that.  He couldn't have survived that long without whatever he was force fed and to be fair others who were on the '80 and '81 hunger strikes for a lot less time have died as a result of long-term damage which had been done to their bodies
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on July 17, 2010, 12:19:46 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: Clown on July 16, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

why didnt they start the riot during the march?
GK has a cheek, it's not so long ago shinners organised protests against Orange parades which led to riots

Fcuk sake man, if he didn't try to stop the rioters you would be writing more abuse about him. Hard to keep you happy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on July 17, 2010, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 11:53:36 PM
HS, all I am saying is that saying Kelly was on hunger strike for 205 days when he had some nourishment forced into him on 170 occasions during that time.  That's not the same as the hunger strike Bobby Sands underwent and I think to talk about what Kelly did in the same terms isn't exactly accurate.  Certainly the intention was there on his behalf, I wouldn't doubt that.  I am not questioning that.  He couldn't have survived that long without whatever he was force fed and to be fair others who were on the '80 and '81 hunger strikes for a lot less time have died as a result of long-term damage which had been done to their bodies

Is there no level you won't stoop to just to talk sh1te?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sandino on August 31, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Belfast in gridlock over suspect devices, Bomb scare in Omagh!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on August 31, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: Sandino on August 31, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Belfast in gridlock over suspect devices, Bomb scare in Omagh!

Turned out to be a bottle of milk that fell out of a pram.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 31, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11139627

Coming to a cinema near you soon, 30 years late, Fra McCann and other leading Shinners in 'The Wind That Shook The Barley Was A Powerful Waste of Time'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: supersarsfields on September 15, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.

"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rav67 on September 15, 2010, 09:32:40 AM
So 'bankers' are legitimate targets now then.  That's a bit random.  If you go after everyone funding/promoting the 'capitalist system' there won't be too many of us left in Britain or Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on September 15, 2010, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 15, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.
"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."


When :-[
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MCMLX on September 15, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: glens abu on September 15, 2010, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 15, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.
"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."


When :-[

They robbed all those cash machines.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: caughtredhanded on September 15, 2010, 03:07:04 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 15, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: glens abu on September 15, 2010, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 15, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.
"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."


When :-[

They robbed all those cash machines.
;D I liked that one. well done.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on September 16, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961)

I see the 'Taxi man' from Strabane who lifted the Pipe bomb has been issued a Death Threat.  What next?

It's a crazy co-incidence at the same time who the taxi driver is, as he is well known in the area and this kind of threat could end up starting another 'Turf War' similar to the craic that went on a few years ago which resulted in a man being shot four times in Strabane.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 16, 2010, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961)

I see the 'Taxi man' from Strabane who lifted the Pipe bomb has been issued a Death Threat.  What next?

It's a crazy co-incidence at the same time who the taxi driver is, as he is well known in the area and this kind of threat could end up starting another 'Turf War' similar to the craic that went on a few years ago which resulted in a man being shot four times in Strabane.
You wouldn't want to get bogged down in a turf war...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on September 16, 2010, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on September 16, 2010, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961)

I see the 'Taxi man' from Strabane who lifted the Pipe bomb has been issued a Death Threat.  What next?

It's a crazy co-incidence at the same time who the taxi driver is, as he is well known in the area and this kind of threat could end up starting another 'Turf War' similar to the craic that went on a few years ago which resulted in a man being shot four times in Strabane.
You wouldn't want to get bogged down in a turf war...

For peat sake don't start at the puns
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 05, 2010, 12:14:26 AM
Rumours of an explosion in Derry tonight.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on October 05, 2010, 12:19:36 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 05, 2010, 12:14:26 AM
Rumours of an explosion in Derry tonight.

At the Ulster Bank, opposite DaVinci's. No-one's hurt. - Mark Lappin
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on October 05, 2010, 12:37:30 AM
Sounded big but it's just down the hill from me so it mightn't have been too big. Some traffic f**k up in the morning!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 05, 2010, 12:58:38 AM
r u ok big man, dont be blowing that whistle too hard now!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 05, 2010, 07:17:02 AM
Sad day for Derry, no one hurt thank fck.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11473586 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11473586)

>:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on October 07, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
apparently the one show is doing a section on the aftermath of the troubles or something now and that rod martin og meehan is going to be on, wonder what shite he'll spout this time
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on October 07, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
apparently the one show is doing a section on the aftermath of the troubles or something now and that rod martin og meehan is going to be on, wonder what shite he'll spout this time
Same shite his da spouted 20 years ago
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:21:34 PM
i think his da had a bit more between the ears. poor martin og obviously wants to be remembered like his da but he must be one of the biggest idiots in the country, poisonous hoor.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on October 07, 2010, 07:27:15 PM
I liked his da, don't care much for him tbh.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2010, 07:30:59 PM
I saw "true Gael" Jackie McDonald was also supposed to be on it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2010, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.

I take it this was some sort of "conflict resolution" "shared future" vehicle ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 08:24:53 PM
not really, more showing that things aren't all hunky dory yet. sure martin og is no more interested in conflict resolution or a shared future.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wee Shea on October 07, 2010, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 07, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589

f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on October 07, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Quotef**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

And where will u but the balaclava and signed membership form


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wee Shea on October 08, 2010, 08:27:50 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 07, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Quotef**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

And where will u but the balaclava and signed membership form

Glove department. They'll never look there will they?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 08, 2010, 08:37:43 AM
They stopped me last night, didn't even look in the back seat or for that matter check the boot. Idiots.  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on October 08, 2010, 10:03:18 AM
Quote from: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.

Martin Meehan was a 1st class Republican,involved from the early 60's,interned,escaped,jailed again on word of a paid perjurer,got 12 years released again then charged again and got another 15 years,66 days on hunger strike,received the last rites 4 times during his life from beatings he received from state forces.Every time he was out returned for active service.After the ceasefire he helped build the Sinn Fein party in Antrim and Newtownabbey which again took balls as he was continually under threat.For me he was a totally inspirational figure great craic and an unbelievable prankster.As for his sons they couldn't lace his boots and Martin og in particular is a complete dickhead.  :-[ :-[   
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 08, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: glens abu on October 08, 2010, 10:03:18 AM
Quote from: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.

Martin Meehan was a 1st class Republican,involved from the early 60's,interned,escaped,jailed again on word of a paid perjurer,got 12 years released again then charged again and got another 15 years,66 days on hunger strike,received the last rites 4 times during his life from beatings he received from state forces.Every time he was out returned for active service.After the ceasefire he helped build the Sinn Fein party in Antrim and Newtownabbey which again took balls as he was continually under threat.For me he was a totally inspirational figure great craic and an unbelievable prankster.As for his sons they couldn't lace his boots and Martin og in particular is a complete d**khead.  :-[ :-[

well said
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lolafrola on October 08, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 07, 2010, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 07, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589

f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

Yeah the restricted notice but people like you who crash every other week the "R" stands for retarded (oh left out your speeding too)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on October 08, 2010, 05:54:15 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11501311 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11501311)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wee Shea on October 11, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 08, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 07, 2010, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 07, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589

f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

Yeah the restricted notice but people like you who crash every other week the "R" stands for retarded (oh left out your speeding too)

Can you repeat that in English please? I don't speak 'shiney'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on November 06, 2010, 12:04:43 AM
More assholes creating trouble:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11703535
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:13:23 AM
Seems Boucher Road shops were ablaze last night, more people unemployed leading up to Christmas, that's a sure fire way to gaining a United Ireland. Whats next?

though no one has claimed it so maybe jumping the gun a bit ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sandino on November 16, 2010, 11:17:45 AM
Milltown that's you and Stephen Nolan at least your only doing it on a discussion forum. A disaster for the staff no matter what the cause is. Rubber Neckers are bringing traffic to a standstill so that they can have a closer look!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:13:23 AM
Seems Boucher Road shops were ablaze last night, more people unemployed leading up to Christmas, that's a sure fire way to gaining a United Ireland. Whats next?

though no one has claimed it so maybe jumping the gun a bit ::)
Very good. :D :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:13:23 AM
Seems Boucher Road shops were ablaze last night, more people unemployed leading up to Christmas, that's a sure fire way to gaining a United Ireland. Whats next?

though no one has claimed it so maybe jumping the gun a bit ::)
most likely these shops didnt 'pay the insurance' to the thugs
feck all to do with unted Ireland or splinter from IRA etc
this is a group of thugs that realise their 'anti social' behaviour will not now have 'consequences' like it used to.
mores the pity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
well are the H blocks still being used?
are we not on the path to re-unification - certainly more iminent than at the time of the H blocks - thanks to the Hunger strikers and the work of a lot of good people in breaking down the sectarian 'establishment' !

if it turns out that it wasnt dissidents then fine, otherwise if it was my point stands (and stands for their motive for all their activities).
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 16, 2010, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.

Ah and I am sure you helped smash the H-blocks ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
well are the H blocks still being used?
are we not on the path to re-unification - certainly more iminent than at the time of the H blocks - thanks to the Hunger strikers and the work of a lot of good people in breaking down the sectarian 'establishment' !

if it turns out that it wasnt dissidents then fine, otherwise if it was my point stands (and stands for their motive for all their activities).
Administering British rule is hardly the path to re-unification.  How, in your opinion, did they break down the establishment?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)
an't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
well are the H blocks still being used?
are we not on the path to re-unification - certainly more iminent than at the time of the H blocks - thanks to the Hunger strikers and the work of a lot of good people in breaking down the sectarian 'establishment' !
if it turns out that it wasnt dissidents then fine, otherwise if it was my point stands (and stands for their motive for all their activities).
Administering British rule is hardly the path to re-unification.  How, in your opinion, did they break down the establishment?
well maybe you are too young to be able to spot the difference between the north of Ireland now and the north of Ireland way back then !

if you knew you wouldnt be asking this.
Just to give you a taste though rather than have you whinge that I didnt answer your 'question' - From civil rights and nationalist/Irish/Catholic/working class politicians attempting to change things through dialogue and protest to defending the people, to retaliation, ending up in GFA etc etc and zillions in between - take your pick. the history books can tell you all you want to know.
its a different world up there now in comparison to pre 1968
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 03:41:27 PM
I'm not as young as you may think.

In 1973, the British government proposed a 78-member Northern Ireland Assembly, to be elected by proportional representation. They would retain control over law and order, and a Council of Ireland would give the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland a voice in each other's affairs. This assembly was to replace the suspended Stormont Parliament.

Elections for the new assembly were held and the agreement was supported by the nationalist SDLP, the UUP and the Alliance Party. The pro-agreement parties won a clear majority of seats (52 to 26).

Republicans boycotted the elections, and the IRA continued its campaign of opposition throughout the outcome.

I await your usual mismash, fudged reply.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 03:46:47 PM
how naive you are !!
the british gov backed north of Ireland establishment promised quite a lot to the nationalists/catholics/Irish/working class in the six counties.
they also dismissed any notions on inequality, persecution, oppression or a two tiered society.
those who refused your 1973 or sunningdale facades knew that they were mealy mouthed fronts.
choose to believe what you will, but you obv were living in fantasy land while others suffered!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
Naive??

So the NI Assembly isn't backed by the Brits?

Aren't republicans still suffering day and daily,stop and search,  persecuted by the courts, beaten in Maghaberry?

You're the one in fantasy land if you think things have changed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 04:44:36 PM
Transitman, is your life better now than say had you been born in the 50's 60's? I was stopped, searched, questioned nearly everyday during the troubles and that was just going to school. Today i don't see the army, less police 40% of which are taigs! Equality regarding jobs, housing, benifits, and college students. Maybe its just me but i think we've come further and in certain areas done better than the 'others' who just happened to be born in another street.               Had you been born in that 'other' street what cause would you be fighting for?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 04:59:41 PM
That's how it's being sold to you Milltown, you're supposed to be feel great (the peace process feelgood factor) now that you (or your children) are not being harassed any more. I'd call freedom from harassment a basic human right, along with housing, employment etc. 

There have always been people who fit into your category, the " as long as I'm OK things are great".  But what of those (and their children) who are still being stopped every day, don't they matter, should we turn a blind eye now that we are not the "others" you speak of.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 06:45:31 PM
So your answer is to keep with the punishment shootings, rob banks, burn down business, collect protection money from your neighbours, harass kids in the streets to join up, have another Omagh............

I could go on. all this so that we get rid of the Brits join up with a bankrupt country that dished us 90 years ago so that then it will happen all over again when the UVF become the IRA, a force fighting against 'occupation'

Nothing has been sold to me, i feel good cause i've worked hard and have a great family.

Why are these people getting stopped? I know plenty of republicans not getting stopped.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Whether you like it or not Milltown it is being sold to you and you are buying in big time. Why are there people getting stopped, why were you stopped every day? You see thats part of the line you are swallowing too ie that all so called dissidents approve of armed struggle and violence. Many don't but because they don't toe the line like the uncle toms they are vilified. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
So what is it you want?

Brits out

PSNI out

become part of the Irish republic

when you get that will you be happy then?  And how will you keep everyone happy? Will it not be a role reversal ? Answer some of my questions.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 11:14:01 AM
Peace in a United Ireland.

Yes, an end to British interference in Irish affairs and an accountable, impartial police service.

Thanks for caring about my wellbeing. It's impossible to keep everyone happy but justice and freedom from harassment/ interference would help. Why should it be a role reversal - nationalists/ republicans coming as they have from a history of injustice have repeatedly held out the hand of frienship to the unionist/ loyalist side -  catholic, protestant and dissenter / green, white and gold.

What about my questions, why were you stopped? Why are innocent people getting stopped now?  Should we turn a blind eye because we are not the "others"?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 17, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Whether you like it or not Milltown it is being sold to you and you are buying in big time. Why are there people getting stopped, why were you stopped every day? You see thats part of the line you are swallowing too ie that all so called dissidents approve of armed struggle and violence. Many don't but because they don't toe the line like the uncle toms they are vilified.
evading the point though tvm- the difference between then and now is night and day. its no spin its what you see, its the reality.
this 'plateau' is good enough for now. Thats all that people wanted to free them from the bad old days !
its good enough for now.
The rest will come in time. we obv disagree on this, but comparing what used tohappen and what doesnt happen nowadays - well i'll take now everytime!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 02:10:06 PM
I'm hardly evading the point. Lynchboy, I already know from previous encounters with you, that like SF you are prepared to settle for less (far less) than what was sought at the outset.

The reality is that what used to happen is still happening to many republicans today.

You too fit into the "as long as I'm OK" category.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2010, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 11:14:01 AM
Peace in a United Ireland.

Yes, an end to British interference in Irish affairs and an accountable, impartial police service.

Thanks for caring about my wellbeing. It's impossible to keep everyone happy but justice and freedom from harassment/ interference would help. Why should it be a role reversal - nationalists/ republicans coming as they have from a history of injustice have repeatedly held out the hand of frienship to the unionist/ loyalist side -  catholic, protestant and dissenter / green, white and gold.

What about my questions, why were you stopped? Why are innocent people getting stopped now?  Should we turn a blind eye because we are not the "others"?

We were stopped because of the area i lived in, (Falls road) the time, being the 70's 80's early 90's because the threat to police and Army was very high. kids as young as ten were carrying guns for the RA, mothers were carrying guns and bombs while pushing the pram.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think the UDA/UVF won't be happy if Ireland is re-united. Bombs going off left right and center. The the RA will have to defend us because they will be taking out legitimate targets (anyone they please) and so it will continue. Has history taught you anything????

As long as people feel that they are being 'occupied' then there will never be peace in Ireland. What we have now is better than what i was brought up in. 

As for the history of injustice, that's balls to, I'd say we are as intolerant to foreign nationalist as anyone else. When Celtic and Ranger play (two Scottish teams) we have riots in interface areas. As you have said we can't please everyone so accept what we have, and get on with living. life's very short and even shorter if you end up killed over a piece of land.

When you go down the political way you'll get a better feel of who will vote for your views, if they can get into roles within the community then surely that's a better way than whats happening?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Yes Milltown, you were stopped because of the area you were living in and a perception on behalf of the RUC/Brits that you were a threat.  It didn't mean you were a threat, and if you weren't, your basic human rights were being violated.  Do the rights of those being stopped today not matter, are these erstwhile comrades ("others") lesser beings because they do not agree with your political viewpoint.

With regard to the UVF/UDA, they have always been controlled by the Brits.  Why would the Brits want them to start a campaign when they have already secured the defeat of the republican movement.

As long as poeple feel they are occupied??? What the hell does that mean?  Are we supposd to pretend that there are no Brit soldiers here anymore, no MI5, no collusion, harassment, internment (in whatever guise) etc etc?

There are riots when West Ham play Milwall, Inter play AC and so on.  There will always be hooligans who join up behind the colours but you can't paint everone with the same brush.  There is life outside Belfast you know.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 17, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
There will always be hooligans who join up behind the colours

Never a truer word said......

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 17, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
There will always be hooligans let join up behind the colours

how true is that statement and what %'s are we talking about do you think?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 17, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
Its hard to say skull.
I would imagine a lot of boys are involved with genuine reasons but most for their own gain, cloaked in the Green White and Orange.  Being a dissident brings with it money, status and power. Theres manys a young man in Ireland or anywhere else in the world who would adapt whatever agenda you wanted them to for these things.

Take Armagh for example. The majority of dissidents are not former PIRA but new, younger lads who like the money, status and power. Take all that away and how many of them would have been involved in the armed campaign years ago..... They're all for a United Ireland if they get rich along the way.......

to your point though these thugs are being "let" do this. Not just by the guys who have always been involved but by the local communities.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2010, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Yes Milltown, you were stopped because of the area you were living in and a perception on behalf of the RUC/Brits that you were a threat.  It didn't mean you were a threat, and if you weren't, your basic human rights were being violated.  Do the rights of those being stopped today not matter, are these erstwhile comrades ("others") lesser beings because they do not agree with your political viewpoint.

With regard to the UVF/UDA, they have always been controlled by the Brits.  Why would the Brits want them to start a campaign when they have already secured the defeat of the republican movement.
As long as poeple feel they are occupied??? What the hell does that mean?  Are we supposd to pretend that there are no Brit soldiers here anymore, no MI5, no collusion, harassment, internment (in whatever guise) etc etc?

There are riots when West Ham play Milwall, Inter play AC and so on.  There will always be hooligans who join up behind the colours but you can't paint everone with the same brush.  There is life outside Belfast you know.

So what your saying is that when we get this All Ireland, the Brits wont need the UVF/UDA and they will just go away? Brilliant!! you talk about me being 'sold' by the feel good factor of the peace process, but think its you that is being sold. Unable to think for yourself, you use the same old rhetoric in a time when most people have moved on and willing to accept that if a time comes through the vote that we will enter an united Ireland peacefully and without bloodshed.

The new MLA in West Belfast is an ex hunger striker (55 days) twice in jail serving 20 odd years he more than anyone is willing to accept that the ballot box is the way forward. are you saying he is wrong to go the way he has chosen? I'd say he'd have a better understanding of the current/past of Ireland to make a judgement.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 17, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 11:14:01 AM
-  catholic, protestant and dissenter / green, white and gold.

I think you'll find it's Green  , White and ORANGE

;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 09:44:19 PM
You are right RF, but it's always been gold for the shinners.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DownFanatic on November 17, 2010, 11:48:37 PM
There has been a very high and visible presence of PSNI in South East Down in the past two days.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
TVM I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that SF have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

Current dissident representatives (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where dissidents can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard Marian Price on Nolan the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and dissidents had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - dissidents don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
great post and spot on Aoise !
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 18, 2010, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
TVM I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that SF have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

Current dissident representatives (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where dissidents can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard Marian Price on Nolan the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and dissidents had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - dissidents don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?

Excellent post Aoise but I fear it my fall on deaf ears as TVM still thinks he is standing on the cavehill in 1798 and cant move on,but I suppose we have to keep trying.Well done.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
TVM I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that SF have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

Current dissident representatives (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.
I have already stated that not all so called dissidents/ detractors are in favour of an armed response/ violence. Have you ever listened to/ read Anthony McIntyre, Gerry McGeough, Laurence O'Neill etc. Alternative analysis is out there for those who wish to take their heads out of the sand.

Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where dissidents can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves.
I am not speaking of a nation, I am referring to SF supporters.  The same sheep who Martin McGuiness referred to when he asserted that their support base was the "most sophisticated in Western Europe". He would later claim that the electoral process of registration was too complicated for these political geniuses.

Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - dissidents don't!.
So are you saying that the dissidents don't have the support of their own people.  Who were the PIRAs own people, who are the RIRAs, CIRAs, ONHs, INLAs, OIRAs own people.

History tells us that support for armed campaigns has always been poor in the early stages of the campaign.  Sometimes it increases eg 1969 and sometimes if doesn't eg 1956.

How can you speak of sovereignty yet back political institutions and a process which fail to tackle the issue of Irish Sovereignty. A process which guarantees a Unionist veto, ensures an internal Six-county settlement and prohibits the probability of an end to partition

Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.
It is virtually impossible to find anybody outside Sinn Fein itself willing to claim that a united Ireland is on the cards. The rhetoric of a united Ireland 'always in the process' does not gel with SFs endorsement of British state strategies for the management of Northern Ireland. Adams and McGuinness, should they live unti they are 80, will die British citizens in a British run Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 01:33:28 PM
TVM - without meaning to be rude, as that is not my intention, I am not going to get into an argument with you as I think its obvious if you quote both Gerry McGeough and Anthony McIntire to me, I understand what I am dealing with and to be honest if thats the best theorists that dissident republicanism can come up with then I feel it is hopeless.

Just to say this, if you are comparing now with 1969, and are hoping for future support from your own community based on historical comparison, that is where you fail because contrary to what you may think, a united ireland in 1969 was not the main motivational factor as to why the IRA garnered community support, it was because those people were being slaughtered, demonised and socially, politically and economically battered into the ground.  Take a look around you TVM, conditions have dictated that people are happy enough to wait for a time when we can take the high moral ground and join our people together constitutionally and politically, and guess what, we're not the ones slaughtering and demonising back, isn't that great unless its what some people really get their kicks out of.

My children speak their native tongue fluently, they are as confident in their Irish cultural and political identity as anyone born below a border, would you like to know why, it is because their parents are as confident in this also.  I do not need the removal of a border to tell me that I am more Irish, I could not be so even though it is ultimately what I desire.  I feel TVM contrary to your assertions, that too many people need the removal of a constitutional border to affirm their Irishness, pointing towards a lack of confidence in it in the first place.  I think some internal analysis is necessary, before national and political evaluation can take place!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 18, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
Good post again Aoise.

Dissidents are looking to start a war that 99.999% don't want all for their fanciful utopian notion of a free ireland. I'm sure in smoke filled sculleries they've discussed how a few decent attrocities perputrated by themuns (whoever they are) on usuns might bring a few more into the fight if they rile them enough. A price worth paying for this picture postcard land of shaleighleigh and shamrock  :-\
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on November 18, 2010, 02:28:23 PM
sensible posts Aoise, unlike TVM who seems to want to return to a past that is gone and which we don`t want to go back to. When they come up with a policy other than the bomb and the bullet, can they tell us?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 03:43:27 PM
Aoise, I do not advocate a return to war or violence anywhere in my posts.  Those with a republican outlook opposed to SFs current political position are viewed as dissident or one of the "others".

Equality and better social and economic conditions, though welcomed by all, are not why PIRA fought a war.  It was a war for unity, independence as all Irish rebel uprisings have been.  If not why did republicans boycott a return to Stormont in 1973. We could have been spared much of the slaughter.

I was going to ignore you last paragragh but it is so indicative of the attitude of the elite, super Irish/ Republican attitude of the current flock of sheep that I cannot. Of course you are Irish, if you were born here how could you be anything else.  But I am no less Irish, nor is McGeough or McIntyre. I thought you were against demonisation but it seems only when it suits your purpose.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 03:43:27 PM
Aoise, I do not advocate a return to war or violence anywhere in my posts.  Those with a republican outlook opposed to SFs current political position are viewed as dissident or one of the "others".

Equality and better social and economic conditions, though welcomed by all, are not why PIRA fought a war.  It was a war for unity, independence as all Irish rebel uprisings have been.  If not why did republicans boycott a return to Stormont in 1973. We could have been spared much of the slaughter.

I was going to ignore you last paragragh but it is so indicative of the attitude of the elite, super Irish/ Republican attitude of the current flock of sheep that I cannot. Of course you are Irish, if you were born here how could you be anything else.  But I am no less Irish, nor is McGeough or McIntyre. I thought you were against demonisation but it seems only when it suits your purpose.
no offense tvm - but the republicans I know that were 'on active service' were not out to unify the country. Thats a solution that would have obtained the requirements sought by people but
what was sought was "Equality and better social and economic conditions" - but more than that also - the stopping of attacks and pogams on 'our' side of the divide, the stopping of the persecution, oppression and systematic targetting by the establishment, its crown forces and the hoods they used when even dirtier work had to be done.

I understand what you are saying, but I at least dont agree with that.
Also I am not a sf supporter. A republican and so on, but sf only covers some of the republican peoples current ethos. For now thats good enough as the alternative - well there are no alternatives really..
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 03:57:55 PM
no offense tvm - but the republicans I know that were 'on active service' were not out to unify the country. Thats a solution that would have obtained the requirements sought by people but
what was sought was "Equality and better social and economic conditions" - but more than that also - the stopping of attacks and pogams on 'our' side of the divide, the stopping of the persecution, oppression and systematic targetting by the establishment, its crown forces and the hoods they used when even dirtier work had to be done.

I understand what you are saying, but I at least dont agree with that.
Also I am not a sf supporter. A republican and so on, but sf only covers some of the republican peoples current ethos. For now thats good enough as the alternative - well there are no alternatives really..
Full circle again Lynchboy.  If that's all that was necessary then why not support the Stormont of 1973, rather than be the dissidents.  Surely we didn't have to go through the intervening years and the suffering, death and destruction when, as Aoise would have us believe, the Republican Movement had the support of the people. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 03:57:55 PM
no offense tvm - but the republicans I know that were 'on active service' were not out to unify the country. Thats a solution that would have obtained the requirements sought by people but
what was sought was "Equality and better social and economic conditions" - but more than that also - the stopping of attacks and pogams on 'our' side of the divide, the stopping of the persecution, oppression and systematic targetting by the establishment, its crown forces and the hoods they used when even dirtier work had to be done.

I understand what you are saying, but I at least dont agree with that.
Also I am not a sf supporter. A republican and so on, but sf only covers some of the republican peoples current ethos. For now thats good enough as the alternative - well there are no alternatives really..
Full circle again Lynchboy.  If that's all that was necessary then why not support the Stormont of 1973, rather than be the dissidents.  Surely we didn't have to go through the intervening years and the suffering, death and destruction when, as Aoise would have us believe, the Republican Movement had the support of the people.
said it to you before Tvm, the establishment were still up to their old dirty tricks and we know even up until the early 2000's their word couldnt be trusted. those early agreements would have resulted in nothing and zero progress , only tocopperfasten the status quo at that stage. republicans were 100% correct to not trust and to rail against them at that time.

i'm still not happy in regard to the psni, but its a zillion times better than it was and most other things are ok now.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 03:43:27 PM
Aoise, I do not advocate a return to war or violence anywhere in my posts.  Those with a republican outlook opposed to SFs current political position are viewed as dissident or one of the "others".

Equality and better social and economic conditions, though welcomed by all, are not why PIRA fought a war.  It was a war for unity, independence as all Irish rebel uprisings have been.  If not why did republicans boycott a return to Stormont in 1973. We could have been spared much of the slaughter.

I was going to ignore you last paragragh but it is so indicative of the attitude of the elite, super Irish/ Republican attitude of the current flock of sheep that I cannot. Of course you are Irish, if you were born here how could you be anything else.  But I am no less Irish, nor is McGeough or McIntyre. I thought you were against demonisation but it seems only when it suits your purpose.


TVM
1 - I agree with you in that all republicans should be regarded as equal, that said, I believe that everyone should be regarded as equal as I am a socialist at heart and feel that this ultimately is the basis of republicanism as well - which is exactly why I don't believe those who advocate further violence without the backing of the people are republican in the truest sense, their principles conflict with their actions.  The reason for me using the term dissidents is merely to differentiate those that may be pro agreement and those against, it is not a slur, nor is it a derogatory term although I understand how it is viewed as such

2 - Apologies if I accused you of supporting violent methods, I have picked you up wrong on that.  BTW just for the record, I am not opposing the right to take up arms in defense of a people's rights, I merely do not think that this is that time, 1969, 79, 89 was a different matter.  Which leads me on to....

3 - The reason republican's boycotted a return to Stormont in 1973, was because the British state still held the Irish people in a position of strangulation.  Internment was rife and as I've said before, the social and economic conditions of the 6 counties created a mechanism by which the IRA gained support for an armed campaign.  The political arena was not a place to be for republican's in 1973 - your insinuation that it had everything to do with a united Ireland, is IMHO wrong!

4 - To call people 'elitist' and 'sheep' merely avoids the answering of certain questions.  As I've said before, to call Irish people sheep is to completely undermine their political intelligence of which we are very astute as a nation.  It is an immature response and one which does not surprise me.  You are entitled to your opinion, I just get afraid that others with your opinion and who do support the use of violent attacks (I get that you don't) are actually making decisions on behalf of the rest of us who lets be honest don't want to return to a time we would rather forget.  Dogma never got anyone anywhere, I just hope that all republican's realise this before its too late!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 08:17:01 PM
Also TVM, I notice by your name that you proclaim to be from "L'Derry", yet here you are talking abut the sovereignty of Ireland!  Reminds me of that guy standing outside Croke Park when the English rugby team played for the first time protesting against the allowing of foreign sports into it, while he himself was wearing a Celtic top!!! ???

It is this kind of dogmatic action I am talking about!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 18, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
A Flashback from, say, 1978 or thereabouts?

Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
TVM's Senior, I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that Constitutional Nationalism have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

The Provisional IRA (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where the Provos can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard a spokeswoman on the radio the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and the Provos had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The Old IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - Provos don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?

I look forward with despair to more of the same in 2040, 2080, 2110 etc, though I'll be long dead before then,  having died not in a United Ireland, but in a United Kingdom.

In which case, I shall be in the company (metaphorically speaking) of the likes of Joe Cahill, Brian Keenan, Gerry Adams Senior, Brendan Hughes et al.

And, I expect, the same will apply to Gerry Adams Jr, Martin McGuinness and Alex Maskey etc, though not I hope not to end up in the same place as them...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 19, 2010, 03:02:18 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 18, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
I look forward with despair to more of the same in 2040, 2080, 2110 etc, though I'll be long dead before then,  having died not in a United Ireland, but in a United Kingdom.

You moving to England EG?
Will be glad to see the back of you sad to see you go
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 19, 2010, 09:18:05 AM
EG - changing my words only serves to highlight your own narrow political viewpoint.  whether you accept it or not, the troubles began with justification.  I'm not going to argue with you as you can see I only post when I've something worthwhile to say.  I have two ears and one mouth and this should reflect the amount of listening we all do.  I have been reading this forum for many years and I know where your coming from, mindless political debate doesn't interest me.  Maybe you should use your ears more often instead of putting your mouth to use before your brain clicks into place.  I would then be interested to hear your opinion - however I fear this won't happen!  Good Luck!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Banana Man on November 19, 2010, 10:29:40 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 18, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
A Flashback from, say, 1978 or thereabouts?

Quote from: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
TVM's Senior, I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that Constitutional Nationalism have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

The Provisional IRA (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where the Provos can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard a spokeswoman on the radio the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and the Provos had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The Old IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - Provos don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?

I look forward with despair to more of the same in 2040, 2080, 2110 etc, though I'll be long dead before then,  having died not in a United Ireland, but in a United Kingdom.

In which case, I shall be in the company (metaphorically speaking) of the likes of Joe Cahill, Brian Keenan, Gerry Adams Senior, Brendan Hughes et al.

And, I expect, the same will apply to Gerry Adams Jr, Martin McGuinness and Alex Maskey etc, though not I hope not to end up in the same place as them...

that just struck me there, is it a united Queendom then at the moment? No doubt it will be a kingdom when you die, assuming you see of Lizzie and either Charlie or Willy takes tot he throne but seeing as there presently is no king should the UK not be the UQ? - just a thought  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 19, 2010, 11:06:20 AM
Aoise, yes L'derry short for Londonderry, UK City of Culture as endorsed by McGuiness. Sarcasm is obviously lost on you.

So it's was OK to resist, with violence, the institutions in 1973 but embrace them less than 20 years later, and have the gall to demonise those who would oppose the institutions now.

As I have said on here previously, unity has always been a key republican demand. SF entered into 'negotiations' full in the knowledge that strategic theatre was already set.  They were to be encouraged into constitutional politics while facing no limits on their political growth in the North, so long as every concession ceded by the British was ring fenced in by the consent principle, long described by SF as the 'unionist veto '.

For this they were prepared to jettison the republicanism which they had used as a vehicle on their short trip into constitutional politics, and cast aside the demand which defined republicanism, unity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 19, 2010, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 19, 2010, 11:06:20 AM

For this they were prepared to jettison the republicanism which they had used as a vehicle on their short trip into constitutional politics, and cast aside the demand which defined republicanism, unity.

stop rhyming off Gerry Bradley and think for yourself
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 19, 2010, 11:06:20 AM
the consent principle, long described by SF as the 'unionist veto '.


How can you unite Ireland if a crowd who are a majority in one corner of the Country won't agree to it?
Using armed struggle (against who nowadays?) will hardly change their minds.
Hopefully when the Germans IMF/ECB give us enough money to pay back their investments in the Irish Zombie banks, then help us improve our Economy so we can afford to pay back their loans we might see some of those Unionists becoming non Unionists who might see it as in their best Interests to be part of an All Ireland set up.
However Dissident Republicans will hardly convince them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sandino on November 19, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
I see now that reports are saying that the fire on Boucher Rd was not suspicious.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
All a bit mad on the Malone Rd at the minute. The wife says ditch the car and she'll pick me up later. £2 pints in the Students Union anyone?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2011, 04:46:55 PM
They used to only be 1 pound.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Caitlin on January 21, 2011, 07:50:48 PM
I was interested to see the story about the undercover Metropolitan Police Officer who joined a number of environmental groups ( and also visited Ireland both to see his wife and also to join the Shell to Sea protesters in Mayo) and acted as an agent provocateur. The suggestion is that by joining these groups and directing/encouraging them to agitate against the State he helped to justify the massive expenditure on surveillance for police forces, kept them in jobs and ultimately provide a reason for them to exist. A lot of people wondered why Mark Kennedy was encouraging them to resort to violence when they believed in non-violent action to achieve their aims. Now they see that they were tricked by a man representing a system that resorted to foul deeds to maintain their existence.
And then I thought about 'brains' behind the attack on Peadar Heffron, the GAA man and Gaeilgor who has lost his legs in an explosion. And then I thought about the fact that the UK security services have largely avoided the public sector cuts. And then I thought about the half-wits that supported or carried out this act thinking it would bring forward a United Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 21, 2011, 04:46:55 PM
They used to only be 1 pound.

Pints £1.50 this evening. £5 for round of 3 shorts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
That, is not bad at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
What is the 'Republican Network for Unity'? Newton Emerson had a small piece about them in today's Irish News. Apparently the signed off emails to Belfast newsrooms with the following :

"Our maxim: It's not where your (sic) coming from, its (sic) where your (sic) going to, that is important to us."

Emerson's next line was "Perhaps going to school would be important too."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on April 02, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
Booby trap bomb has gone off underneath a policemans car on the Derry road in oamgh. I know the fella only young. Heard he's badly hurt. Scumbags.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bcarrier on April 04, 2011, 11:42:26 AM
Whatever these people are they aren't republicans.

The targeting of Catholic policemen exposes them as sectarians with a primary motive of keeping society in the north divided along religious lines. Its about as far as you can get from Wolfe Tones' case for unity between Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 04, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
FFS bcarrier these boys carrying out these attacks wouldnt have a clue who Wolfe Tone was.  They represent no one.  I am sure its well known to the police who carried this out. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on April 04, 2011, 01:23:25 PM
Was there anyone collecting for republican prisoners at the match in Dungannon yesterday?

How was the minute silence received? Apologies if this has been covered in another thread.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on April 04, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
On the news it seemed that the minutes silence silence was well respected.  Pity that it had to be observed at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on April 04, 2011, 02:12:29 PM

A security alert is under way in North Belfast, following the discovery of a suspicious object beneath a vehicle close to a police station.

1 of 1  Belfast - Suspicious object examined A security alert is under way in north Belfast, following the discovery of a suspicious object beneath a vehicle close to a police station.

British army bomb experts are examining the object in Tennent Street.

Homes and businesses in the area are being evacuated and the road has been closed to motorists.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on April 04, 2011, 02:16:32 PM

These clowns are either totally stupid and not connected to the 95.5% of the majority of the people or are just plain evil.

probably a large mix of both.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Abble on April 04, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
can the GAA not do anything to prevent these boys from fundraising outside our county grounds ? who in their right minds would contribute anything to their cause at a Gaelic match when we see the people who they are targeting !?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: maximus on April 04, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
They stand on the road on the way into the ground. The GAA has no jurisdiction in this area and if someone feels they wish to give money to Republican prisoners it is their choice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on April 04, 2011, 04:26:48 PM
There is a big difference between collecting for prisoners families and fundraising for the organizations themselves. One is charitable and totally acceptable, whilst the other, obviously, is not.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: maximus on April 04, 2011, 04:34:04 PM
Those I seen collecting outside the ground in Armagh were for Republican POW I don't know maybe there were others collecting.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on April 04, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 04, 2011, 04:26:48 PM
There is a big difference between collecting for prisoners families and fundraising for the organizations themselves. One is charitable and totally acceptable, whilst the other, obviously, is not.

How do you know the difference?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on April 04, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 04, 2011, 04:26:48 PM
There is a big difference between collecting for prisoners families and fundraising for the organizations themselves. One is charitable and totally acceptable, whilst the other, obviously, is not.
I don't think there's any difference. Both are effectively supporting 'the cause'. And who knows where the money ends up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on April 04, 2011, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
So what is it you want?

Brits out

PSNI out

become part of the Irish republic


when you get that will you be happy then?  And how will you keep everyone happy? Will it not be a role reversal ? Answer some of my questions.
That is only the first part of it. They have a 10 point plan.
1. Brits out
2. PSNI out
3. United Ireland
4. Anybody not happy with the new constitutional  arrangements must be a Brit and can F off back to Britain.
5. Gerry, Martin and indeed every SF voter (sheep) up against the wall and shot for selling out the ideals of a 32 Country republic in 1998
6. Every FG voter up against the wall and shot for selling out in 1921.
7. Every FF & Green voter up against the wall for selling the Country off to the EU in 2010.
8. SDLP up against the wall cos no one likes them.
9. Anyone else who disagrees up against the wall.
10. A bit of infighting will thin out the remainder "cos they might be informers".

And then they will have their republic.
The bit I am not sure about is who will they sell the drugs to when everyone else is gone?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2011, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Well they must be on their way to arrest Frazer then after his outburst.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 15, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Why is it counter-productive?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 16, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 15, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Why is it counter-productive?

Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.


The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The 57-year-old from Stockman's Avenue in Belfast appeared at Londonderry Magistrates Court on Monday.

She was charged with encouraging support for an illegal organisation, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday.

The defendant, whose name was given in court on Monday as Marion McGlinchey, was accused of addressing a meeting encouraging support for a proscribed organisation, the IRA.

A police sergeant told the court that she had been at an Easter Commemoration in Derry's city cemetery, where she held a piece of paper for a masked man who read a speech from it.

Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained.

The judge granted her bail on that charge.

However, she remains in custody after the secretary of state decided to revoke her release licence on Sunday night.

In a statement Mr Paterson said: "My priority is the safety of the people of Northern Ireland.

"The Government will not hesitate to use all the powers at its disposal under the law to counter the residual terrorist threat."

Price was jailed for the IRA bombing of the Old Bailey in London in 1973.

She is due to reappear in court again by videolink on the 9 June.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 16, 2011, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 16, 2011, 10:26:54 PM


Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.


The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The 57-year-old from Stockman's Avenue in Belfast appeared at Londonderry Magistrates Court on Monday.

She was charged with encouraging support for an illegal organisation, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday.

The defendant, whose name was given in court on Monday as Marion McGlinchey, was accused of addressing a meeting encouraging support for a proscribed organisation, the IRA.

A police sergeant told the court that she had been at an Easter Commemoration in Derry's city cemetery, where she held a piece of paper for a masked man who read a speech from it.

Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained.

The judge granted her bail on that charge.

However, she remains in custody after the secretary of state decided to revoke her release licence on Sunday night.

In a statement Mr Paterson said: "My priority is the safety of the people of Northern Ireland.

"The Government will not hesitate to use all the powers at its disposal under the law to counter the residual terrorist threat."

Price was jailed for the IRA bombing of the Old Bailey in London in 1973.

She is due to reappear in court again by videolink on the 9 June.

Maybe she thought he was going to read St Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 16, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 16, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 15, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772)

Why is it counter-productive?

Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.

She certainly is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 16, 2011, 11:07:56 PM
Bombscare in Maynooth tonight. I thought the Queen was only going to Giltown and the National Stud?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on May 17, 2011, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 16, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 15, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Why is it counter-productive?

Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.


The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The 57-year-old from Stockman's Avenue in Belfast appeared at Londonderry Magistrates Court on Monday.

She was charged with encouraging support for an illegal organisation, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday.

The defendant, whose name was given in court on Monday as Marion McGlinchey, was accused of addressing a meeting encouraging support for a proscribed organisation, the IRA.

A police sergeant told the court that she had been at an Easter Commemoration in Derry's city cemetery, where she held a piece of paper for a masked man who read a speech from it.

Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained.

The judge granted her bail on that charge.

However, she remains in custody after the secretary of state decided to revoke her release licence on Sunday night.

In a statement Mr Paterson said: "My priority is the safety of the people of Northern Ireland.

"The Government will not hesitate to use all the powers at its disposal under the law to counter the residual terrorist threat."

Price was jailed for the IRA bombing of the Old Bailey in London in 1973.

She is due to reappear in court again by videolink on the 9 June.

Is the revoking of her licence a permanent move or temporary?  In otherwords, will she have to serve the remainder of her original sentence.  I don't think Torrens Knights licence was revoked and look what he was actually convicted off recently whereas your doll has been convicted of nothinf yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Don Johnson on May 17, 2011, 10:57:52 PM
Rioting tonight in Craigavon for the Queen's visit. Idiots.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on May 17, 2011, 10:57:52 PM
Rioting tonight in Craigavon for the Queen's visit. Idiots.
She won't hear them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Was anyone stuck in the traffic last night?

Was heading out for dinner last night and got the train in and there was disruptions on the Portadown line with the Dublin train delayed for a few hours!!

the taxi man was telling me he was stuck on the Westlink for two hours!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: paco on May 28, 2011, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Was anyone stuck in the traffic last night?

Was heading out for dinner last night and got the train in and there was disruptions on the Portadown line with the Dublin train delayed for a few hours!!

the taxi man was telling me he was stuck on the Westlink for two hours!!

Took a similar amount of time for me to make it from the Europa to the M2. Was mental, I seen a few men ask their wives to sit in the driver's seat while they went to get a chippy, then they came back after 20 minutes and still hadn't moved!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 28, 2011, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: paco on May 28, 2011, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Was anyone stuck in the traffic last night?

Was heading out for dinner last night and got the train in and there was disruptions on the Portadown line with the Dublin train delayed for a few hours!!

the taxi man was telling me he was stuck on the Westlink for two hours!!

Took a similar amount of time for me to make it from the Europa to the M2. Was mental, I seen a few men ask their wives to sit in the driver's seat while they went to get a chippy, then they came back after 20 minutes and still hadn't moved!
What would be the point of getting their fella to go and get them a gravy chip, then driving off before they'd returned with it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: paco on May 28, 2011, 06:59:25 PM
This was just around the corner from city hall where it was at a stand still for at least an hour, nobody was going anywhere in a hurry.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on June 08, 2011, 12:18:39 PM
How times change :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13694591
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
North Belfast alert: suspicious object was bombA bomb has been found in a car in north Belfast.

About 60 residents were moved from their homes in the alert on Thursday morning at Blackdam Court off the Ligoniel Road.

Army bomb disposal experts carried out a controlled explosion. Police later confirmed that a "viable device" had been taken away for examination.

A police spokesman said people who live in the area would be allowed to return to their homes as soon as possible.

DUP MLA William Humphrey said the alert caused major disruption for residents.

"This was a very reckless indiscriminate planting of what seems to be a viable device in a built-up area," he said.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2012, 11:14:27 PM
Traitors to Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: angermanagement on January 19, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
Two bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nifan on January 20, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
The tourist office as well. I assume this is something to do with the city of culture?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: thewobbler on January 20, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Quote from: nifan on January 20, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
The tourist office as well. I assume this is something to do with the city of culture?

I assume it has more to do with a complete lack of concern or understanding for what is best for the Nationalist people of Derry.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 20, 2012, 09:07:02 AM
The other target was the DHSS office, these soldiers seemed to have a deep understanding of the layout of this area, they have obviously spent a lot of time in and around the locality in recent times in readiness for their attack.  We are dealing with the real deal here people, they even had the foresight not to attack the office on their signing day. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Ive said it on this board before and Ill say it again. It is only a matter of time before a couple of these misguided lunatics achieve 'the big one': a multiple fatality hit.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winghalfun on January 20, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
QuoteIve said it on this board before and Ill say it again. It is only a matter of time before a couple of these misguided lunatics achieve 'the big one': a multiple fatality hit

That doesn't make sense.

If any of these "misguided lunatics", which I agree they are, wanted to achieve multiple fatalities they wouldn't have phoned in a warning.

Are you saying that the dissidents hope the warnings won't be acted on or acted on quickly enough?

If the objective was multiple fatalities then surely no warnings would be given.

Bit dramatic there Downfanatic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on January 20, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
QuoteIve said it on this board before and Ill say it again. It is only a matter of time before a couple of these misguided lunatics achieve 'the big one': a multiple fatality hit

That doesn't make sense.

If any of these "misguided lunatics", which I agree they are, wanted to achieve multiple fatalities they wouldn't have phoned in a warning.

Are you saying that the dissidents hope the warnings won't be acted on or acted on quickly enough?

If the objective was multiple fatalities then surely no warnings would be given.

Bit dramatic there Downfanatic.

They have successfully targeted PSNI officers and British Army personnel in the not too distant past. They are very capable of executing an attack on either of these groupings that will cause death.

The two recent bombs in Derry are simply to show that the dissidents are still knocking about and they can still cause havoc when they want to.

A more determined element within their ranks would cite military/police fatalities as a major coup. They have done it before and they will do it again. Mark my words.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Moortown Spuds on January 20, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.

They will pin something on him.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.

Doesn't get his three years back and will get no compensation for them either.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 20, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.

They will pin something on him.

He was in the getaway car, they just couldn't prove it was the night of the murders. So he maybe needs to watch the company he is keeping if he doesent want anything "pinned on him".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 20, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
He was in the getaway car, they just couldn't prove it was the night of the murders. So he maybe needs to watch the company he is keeping if he doesent want anything "pinned on him".

You mean his DNA was planted in the getaway car. ;) Colin has lost the best part of three years of his life, again, because of an attempt to frame him by the RUC/PSNI/Special Branch. It isnt the first time this has happened, lets hope it is the last. I hope both himself and Brian enjoy their freedom.
Cant wait to see the 1 o'clock news.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
How the hell was Brian Shivers found guilty. Whatever sentence they give Brian will in effect be a life sentence.

There was no jury, none at all,
The pig-in-the-wig was right,
And only fools sought fit to stand
And challenge him with fight,
For this court is a farce, my friends,
And justice knows no light.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on January 20, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
Ulick, why would Collie not get compensation for being locked away for 3 years of his life. Surely this means he was innocent therefore wrongly locked up and would he not be guaranteed to sue the British Government (not that any money will get his 3 years back)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 02:40:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
Ulick, why would Collie not get compensation for being locked away for 3 years of his life. Surely this means he was innocent therefore wrongly locked up and would he not be guaranteed to sue the British Government (not that any money will get his 3 years back)

Anyone who has been convicted of a "scheduled offence" in the north is not eligible for compensation as far as I know. As I remember Collie was convicted of possessing ammunition after Sam Marshall was killed - they were all on bail for it at the time. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trout on January 20, 2012, 04:54:16 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

Not in Provo land. A republican has never been rightfully convicted of a crime in their world.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on January 20, 2012, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
Whatever sentence they give Brian will in effect be a life sentence.


Is there a problem with this?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Trout on January 20, 2012, 04:54:16 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

Not in Provo land. A republican has never been rightfully convicted of a crime in their world.

Well if you read the judgement on admissibility, it seem Cellmark UK is the standard DNA lab for such cases. They could get no match. So they send to 'Cybernetics Trueallele' in the USA, he includes allele peaks below a threshold which Cellmark rejects. One way to look at this is that his method is better science and his results are valid. Another way of looking at it is to say they failed to win their bet with their favorite bookie, so they went to one offering better odds offshore.

I don't know which is true, but if you go to:
http://www.cybgen.com/systems/casework.shtml

and read the first sentence, you will see that they 'objectively infer genetic profiles', this sounds a wee bit like bluffing to me. But the next sentence is the most important for me. "These profiles can then be automatically matched against available references or large databases".

If he matched to 'an available reference' i.e. was given 2 samples: Shivers DNA and a sample from the match and asked if they match. The opportunity for bluffing might indeed be considered high. But if he was given the match sample and asked to pick any matches from the British national DNA database and picked Shivers out, then you might say he probably wasn't bluffing.

Of course if you argue that the DNA samples were obtained fraudulently in the first place then that's a whole other argument. But if it was planted evidence then they made some balls of it when they didn't plant enough for the UK lab to be able to get a standard match. Unless that was a cunning double bluff?

(I probably should have used the sample from the seat-belt or glove in the above as 'matching the sample from the match' could lead to confusion.)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

His system is based soley on a new method of statistical analysis dreamt up by him and accepted by practically no other court in the world and he stands to make millions if the method is accepted. If his system was based on some technological breakthrough I might be convinced but I know enough about statistics to know his method can never be reliable unless accompanied by full DNA profiles which in this case were not present.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

His system is based soley on a new method of statistical analysis dreamt up by him and accepted by practically no other court in the world and he stands to make millions if the method is accepted. If his system was based on some technological breakthrough I might be convinced but I know enough about statistics to know his method can never be reliable unless accompanied by full DNA profiles which in this case were not present.

http://www.cybgen.com/company/history.shtml

Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.

And how many courts?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.

And how many courts?

The one below and a couple more.

http://www.wtae.com/news/18918565/detail.html

I'm not arguing that is not a new way of analysing data, both lawyers who appeared for the defence argued similarly that it was a work in progress. Valid argument. However, you saying he 'pulled it out his ass' and that you possessed enough statistical knowledge to prove he was wrong are both not valid arguments.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: David McKeown on January 20, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
What's the reaction in Lurgan going to be like tonight?  Im supposed to be going to an engagement party in the railway bar but not sure if it would be the safest idea in the world
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.

And how many courts?

Only the one. Antrim.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
The one below and a couple more.

http://www.wtae.com/news/18918565/detail.html

I'm not arguing that is not a new way of analysing data, both lawyers who appeared for the defence argued similarly that it was a work in progress. Valid argument. However, you saying he 'pulled it out his ass' and that you possessed enough statistical knowledge to prove he was wrong are both not valid arguments.

As far as I'm aware the method is accepted by only one court in the world and that is the court of the state in which the Cybergenetics company is based, Pennsylvania. No other US state or European court has found it reliable enough to be used. What was being pushed at the trial that this was a new technology, they emphasised the use of this computer system to back that up, but no one in the media actually explained it was using the same low copy DNA that has been proven unreliable many times before and all Perlin has done is come up with a new way of jiggling the numbers. At the end of the day, if the sample is unreliable there is no safe way of generalising from ii or making safe conclusions based on it, no matter what way you jiggle the numbers. A bit like the tallymen at the elections looking at one constituency box and telling us who is going to win an election. It may be accurate but just as likely to be inaccurate. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 20, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
What's the reaction in Lurgan going to be like tonight?  Im supposed to be going to an engagement party in the railway bar but not sure if it would be the safest idea in the world

You'll be grand. If he'd been convicted it might have been a different matter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 20, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
What's the reaction in Lurgan going to be like tonight?  Im supposed to be going to an engagement party in the railway bar but not sure if it would be the safest idea in the world

You'll be grand. If he'd been convicted it might have been a different matter.
Aye right. Act with caution.

Rule of thumb when entering the Railway, or the Snakepit as they like to call it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
Aye right. Act with caution.

Rule of thumb when entering the Railway, or the Snakepit as they like to call it.

Was in it the other week and had a right oul time. You wouldn't get Buckfast for that price down here in the big smoke or the Cellar for that matter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
The one below and a couple more.

http://www.wtae.com/news/18918565/detail.html

I'm not arguing that is not a new way of analysing data, both lawyers who appeared for the defence argued similarly that it was a work in progress. Valid argument. However, you saying he 'pulled it out his ass' and that you possessed enough statistical knowledge to prove he was wrong are both not valid arguments.

As far as I'm aware the method is accepted by only one court in the world and that is the court of the state in which the Cybergenetics company is based, Pennsylvania. No other US state or European court has found it reliable enough to be used. What was being pushed at the trial that this was a new technology, they emphasised the use of this computer system to back that up, but no one in the media actually explained it was using the same low copy DNA that has been proven unreliable many times before and all Perlin has done is come up with a new way of jiggling the numbers. At the end of the day, if the sample is unreliable there is no safe way of generalising from ii or making safe conclusions based on it, no matter what way you jiggle the numbers. A bit like the tallymen at the elections looking at one constituency box and telling us who is going to win an election. It may be accurate but just as likely to be inaccurate.

These are the guys that shot down the LCDNA evidence in the Sean Hoey trial, interesting reading and links

http://www.theforensicinstitute.com/news/low-copy-number-dna-and-the-forensic-institute.html

After that trial the Caddy review gave new guidelines for LCDNA use in legal cases. LCDNA brought back to acceptable status in UK courts after that, like it or not. Certainly still has plenty of detractors, judge in this case didn't like the defense 'expert', no doubt will be a subject for appeal.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 12:08:55 AM
To be honest I was certain Collie was going down when Hart allowed that evidence but was also pretty certain he'd get off on appeal. Especially because Hart convicted Paul McCaugherty last year after tape recordings of his "admission" during an MI6 sting operation went missing and he allowed 40 spooks to come into the court (anonymously) one after the other and say McCaugherty said such and such on the missing tapes. That was f**king scandalous and there was barely a word about it in the media. This was Hart's last trial before retirement and I suspect he knew if he convicted, Duffy would still walk on appeal, but I don't doubt he would have convicted if he thought he could have gotten away with it - his judgement hardly makes reference to the fact that the glove which is the only evidence that contains a full DNA profile of Duffy wasn't in the car when it was first found and inventoried. The first sworn testimony that someone saw it there only came three years later, 15 minutes before the trial started. Then there is police driver whose DNA was all over the inside of the car, despite his sworn testimony he never got into the car and then the 5 unknown DNA profiles inside the car - taking into consideration the peelers have swabbed half the country, who do they belong to? The whole thing stinks...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on January 21, 2012, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 12:08:55 AM
To be honest I was certain Collie was going down when Hart allowed that evidence but was also pretty certain he'd get off on appeal. Especially because Hart convicted Paul McCaugherty last year after tape recordings of his "admission" during an MI6 sting operation went missing and he allowed 40 spooks to come into the court (anonymously) one after the other and say McCaugherty said such and such on the missing tapes. That was f**king scandalous and there was barely a word about it in the media. This was Hart's last trial before retirement and I suspect he knew if he convicted, Duffy would still walk on appeal, but I don't doubt he would have convicted if he thought he could have gotten away with it - his judgement hardly makes reference to the fact that the glove which is the only evidence that contains a full DNA profile of Duffy wasn't in the car when it was first found and inventoried. The first sworn testimony that someone saw it there only came three years later, 15 minutes before the trial started. Then there is police driver whose DNA was all over the inside of the car, despite his sworn testimony he never got into the car and then the 5 unknown DNA profiles inside the car - taking into consideration the peelers have swabbed half the country, who do they belong to? The whole thing stinks...

I rest my case you Honour ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on January 21, 2012, 01:14:14 PM
Dont leave it unattended please. ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 21, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
Aye right. Act with caution.

Rule of thumb when entering the Railway, or the Snakepit as they like to call it.

Was in it the other week and had a right oul time. You wouldn't get Buckfast for that price down here in the big smoke or the Cellar for that matter.
The women are predators though...

I don't understand this case, how does Shivers get found guilty but Duffy acquitted... Both have 'alledged' traces of DNA in the car. Regardless how those DNA traces got there, Duffy gets acquitted because his guilt wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt or whatever, surely Shivers is the same?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 03:10:07 PM
They said the match with Chivers DNA profile was found outside the car, which places him at the scene. He claims he gave the box of matches to someone else at a meeting previous to this. The person he gave the matches to also happens to be the chief suspect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 21, 2012, 05:42:09 PM
Colin Duffy says 'DNA' planted in get-away car


Prominent republican Colin Duffy, who has been cleared of murdering two soldiers in Antrim, has said he believed his DNA had been planted in the getaway car.

On Friday, Mr Duffy, 44, from Lurgan, was acquitted of murdering Mark Quinsey, 23, and Patrick Azimkar, 21 at Massereene Barracks in March 2009.

His co-accused, Brian Shivers, 46, from Magherafelt was convicted.

Mr Duffy said he had "no involvement" in the attack.

He made the comments at a news conference on Saturday.

"Let me state quite categorically here that I had no involvement with what happened at Massereene - no involvement whatsoever - and that has been vindicated in the court," he said.

"There was no credible evidence to suggest otherwise."

On Friday, the judge said he was satisfied that Mr Duffy's DNA had been found on a latex glove tip inside the car and on a seat buckle, but, he said, the prosecution had failed to link the defendant to the murder plot.

Mr Duffy told the news conference he had "never been in that car".


Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey were murdered in March 2009 "My position has been, from the word 'go', that my DNA, was in my opinion, planted there," he said.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 21, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 03:10:07 PM
They said the match with Chivers DNA profile was found outside the car, which places him at the scene. He claims he gave the box of matches to someone else at a meeting previous to this. The person he gave the matches to also happens to be the chief suspect.

Can you say who the chief suspect is?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 21, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 21, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.

Does anyone else other than Duffy and his mob reckon it was planted? What have SF said about their supporter, Brian Shivers getting sent down?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 03:21:30 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 21, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.

The "planted DNA" i.e. the glove tip wasn't anything to do with the "new technique". There was a full DNA profile on the glove, Duffy denies all knowledge of the glove. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he was fitted-up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2012, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 03:21:30 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 21, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.

The "planted DNA" i.e. the glove tip wasn't anything to do with the "new technique". There was a full DNA profile on the glove, Duffy denies all knowledge of the glove. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he was fitted-up.
So this new technique only relates to Shivers' DNA?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
And the seatbelt DNA profile of Duffy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenmachine on January 22, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
To be honest if the glove tip was found on the second sweep then I would find it quite suspicious. Judging by the images in the media it wasn't exactly something you could miss easily, maybe if they missed a hair you could understand it but half a finger of a latex glove which was clearly visible to the eye couldn't be missed by forensic experts and if it was you'd have to ask serious questions about their ability to do their jobs...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: under the bar on January 22, 2012, 01:58:56 PM
Theres some bufoons in forensics too. My uncles car was hijacked during the troubles and used in a shooting.  He got it back a week later and his 10 yr old son found a hand gun under the seat.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Does anyone else other than Duffy and his mob reckon it was planted?

I do. There was a thread on this Board, deleted I think in the course of my "feud" with FiveTimes, where I outlined my incredulity that Duffy was lifted for this. That was based on my limited knowledge of the republican factions in north Armagh and the absolute loathing they have for each other. Duffy was still mainstream SF until a good 8 or 9 years after the RIRA split and on more that one occasion had described them as "no more than five pound touts". For evidence that the antipathy continued you only have to look at what happened in Maghabbey after Duffy was remanded. As soon as he came onto the republican wing, the existing dissident leader (also from Lurgan) in the gaol promptly left - preferring to be in with the crims than share a wing with Duffy. After he left the "mainstream" movement he chose not to associate with the various RSF & 32CSM factions around Lurgan, later choosing to associated with Éirígí which had no presence or active members in the area. IMO its Éirígí that has been damaged most by this whole debacle as what was starting to look like a creditable alternative to SF has now been neutered in the north by being tainted with violence and association with dissidents - very different to the image they are trying to put across in the south. Éirígí was the common link between Duffy, Chivers and the chief suspect and I expect there is going to be one hell of a fall-out over this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on January 22, 2012, 09:54:30 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 03:10:07 PM
They said the match with Chivers DNA profile was found outside the car, which places him at the scene. He claims he gave the box of matches to someone else at a meeting previous to this. The person he gave the matches to also happens to be the chief suspect.

Can you say who the chief suspect is?

Chivers named him in court as being a heavy smoker and often in Chivers home. He was referred to as a suspect who had been questioned but am not sure if the term chief suspect had ever ben used.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on January 23, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
He went of his own free will to the psni, gave a ststement and went home. his name is in the public domain as I have read it in newspaper reports.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 23, 2012, 12:32:10 PM
Quote from: JUst retired on January 23, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
He went of his own free will to the psni, gave a ststement and went home. his name is in the public domain as I have read it in newspaper reports.

Is his middle name Og?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 27, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on January 19, 2012, 11:30:40 PMTwo bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Am I the only one who finds it repugnant when people refer to these "Dissidents" [sic]  eg as "clowns" and "eejits" etc, who need to "wise up" and "go away" etc?

It makes them sound like wayward teenagers who go out drinking cider of an evening, then can't get up for school the next morning.

We get it all the time from Republicans, who insist they don't agree with them, but somehow cannot bring themselves to use terminology like "vermin", "scum" and "murderers" etc, which would surely be applied if talking about eg Drug Dealers or Paedophiles (or so-called "Loyalists", for that matter).
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on January 27, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 27, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on January 19, 2012, 11:30:40 PMTwo bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Am I the only one who finds it repugnant when people refer to these "Dissidents" [sic]  eg as "clowns" and "eejits" etc, who need to "wise up" and "go away" etc?

No.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 27, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on January 19, 2012, 11:30:40 PMTwo bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Am I the only one who finds it repugnant when people refer to these "Dissidents" [sic]  eg as "clowns" and "eejits" etc, who need to "wise up" and "go away" etc?

It makes them sound like wayward teenagers who go out drinking cider of an evening, then can't get up for school the next morning.

We get it all the time from Republicans, who insist they don't agree with them, but somehow cannot bring themselves to use terminology like "vermin", "scum" and "murderers" etc, which would surely be applied if talking about eg Drug Dealers or Paedophiles (or so-called "Loyalists", for that matter).
Your being paranoid.  I'm sure if you read through the various threads you will see them called many such names.  Although clowns is not the best way to describe them, I would say that that highlights the fact that many of them are complete idiots.  When you even give them the best of chances to explain their ideology and what benefit they can possibly bring to Irish society, they are completely stumped. Within seconds you will hear something along the lines of "sein fein are hypocrites, they done it before"  Yeah they also burned witches as a tradition (a similar moronic argument to the tradition argument in that orange men should march down a specific route).  The vast majority of these individuals are either idiots, thugs or gangsters and sometimes all three.  However there are a small percentage of them who, are intelligent and fully believe in their ideology.  These are the ones I would be most worried about.  Branding people like that scum, monsters etc, does nothing to change the situation.  Like a Jihadist how can you be a scum bag if you believe what your doing is right?  These people are dangerous and can influence or use the idiots to do their bidding.  I have often wondered and occasionally asked some of these people "What would you do if it was a United Ireland tomorrow?"  Some of these people think that it would be some sort of Utopian society but in truth we would just be living the same lives as we are now,  interacting with the same people, going to the same bars and most importantly involved with the same GAA club.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on January 27, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
Your being paranoid.

It's you're  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on March 30, 2012, 03:16:36 PM
Two more "Clowns" found guilty of wearing red noses, squirty buttonholes and outsized boots in a big tent, one of them a Sinn Fein Councillor for the area for four years (before he ran off to join the circus...) ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17552797



Meanwhile, other nakedly sectarian attacks by Republican terrorists go virtually unremarked:

'IRA' claim gun attack on border

(http://fermanaghherald.com/files/2012/02/Alledged-shooting-NTB-300x202.jpg)

REPORTS OF gunmen using Kalashnikov assault rifles to shoot up the house of a Protestant family living along the Fermanagh Cavan border have sparked off fresh fears among the unionist community in the area.
The PSNI are investigating a claim issued by the 32 County Sovereignty Committee that the self-styled South Fermanagh Brigade of the IRA fired shots at a house in the Newtownbutler area in retaliation for recent police raids on republican homes.
Two gunmen armed with AK47 assault rifles reportedly carried out the gun attack at approximately 8pm on Tuesday night of last week.
A caller who claimed to be from the IRA warned the PSNI that, "if they continue with their deliberate harassment and victimisation of republican families, we have no other option than to target the families belonging to them".

http://fermanaghherald.com/2012/02/29/ira-claim-gun-attack-on-border/
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on March 30, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?
Defence Counsel for the two murderers had every opportunity to ask just such a question.

Afaiaa, the answer included weapons found the next day in the boot of the car belonging to one co-defendant, along with a jacket containing forensic evidence belonging to the other co-defendant.

In other words, there being indisputable evidence linking them with the attack, the eyewitness evidence was critical only in proving that they actually carried it out.

P.S. As for the mother of one of the murderers who was charged with obstructing the police in the course of the murder investigation (by hiding her son's computer the next day), there was no evidence produced. Then again, that might have been because she pleaded Guilty...


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lurganblue on March 30, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
The burning of cars in craigavon has already started.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on March 30, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
Didn't take long...

I mind Wooton when he joined my school around the time I was leaving - a wee eejit running around playing with pokemon cards and messing about. Never imagined him turning into a Ra head.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on March 30, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
During his judgement, Lord Justice Girvan expressed his sympathies to Mrs Carroll. He took three weeks to assess the evidence ahead of delivering his reserved judgements.

He told Belfast Crown Court that McConville and Wootton were "active and committed supporters of a republican campaign of violence".

He said the men were "intimately involved" in the planning of the murder of Constable Carroll.

The court heard that the evidence of Witness M was crucial in convicting the two men.

He had placed McConville at the scene of the murder on the night in question. He also saw Wootton's car parked nearby and saw it leave shortly afterwards.

Mr Girvan said that Witness M's evidence had never been contradicted and called the murder a "joint enterprise".The judge said that the killing was callous and cowardly. He said that Constable Carroll was shot dead simply because he was a police officer and his identity was irrelevant to his killers.

During the trial, Wootton's mother - 39-year-old Sharon Wootton, of the same address as her son - pleaded guilty to obstructing the police investigation into the murder.

She admitted removing computer equipment from their house ahead of police searches.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Oraisteach on March 30, 2012, 04:47:19 PM
Can anyone assess the degree of support this faction has in the Nationalist community?  Is the Craigavon car-burning symptomatic of a foundation of support or is this conviction merely a pretext for delinquency and mayhem?

Have any community leaders spoken?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on March 30, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?
Defence Counsel for the two murderers had every opportunity to ask just such a question.

Afaiaa, the answer included weapons found the next day in the boot of the car belonging to one co-defendant, along with a jacket containing forensic evidence belonging to the other co-defendant.

In other words, there being indisputable evidence linking them with the attack, the eyewitness evidence was critical only in proving that they actually carried it out.

P.S. As for the mother of one of the murderers who was charged with obstructing the police in the course of the murder investigation (by hiding her son's computer the next day), there was no evidence produced. Then again, that might have been because she pleaded Guilty...

My thoughts as well.  I haven't followed the case to be honest, and from what I have heard the evidence they seem to be focusing on was your mans car having a locator attahced to it which pinpointed him near the scene and not much else.

Just seen a few cases lately where it didn't seem to take a lot of evidence to gain a conviction (Robert Black), while in others there was a fair bit of evidence that resulted in suspects getting off (Duffy).

Tullygally direction is a nightmare right now, trying to get back to work in Craigavon there from Lurgan and the place is going mad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on March 30, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
My thoughts as well.  I haven't followed the case to be honest, and from what I have heard the evidence they seem to be focusing on was your mans car having a locator attahced to it which pinpointed him near the scene and not much else.

They conveniently deleted most of the evidence from that tracker. Its a very strange case, no hard evidence, some seemongly shady enough witnesses and even shadier goings on.

Expect an appeal.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dillinger on March 30, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?

Didn't realize any of Ireland was in chains, and that includes The North/Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on April 03, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
Meanwhile, these clowns scum are still at the tactics they learned from you-know-who...

3 April 2012

Rosslea bomb 'attempt to intimidate Protestants'

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A bomb was left in the lane outside Harold Andrews's home

An Ulster Unionist councillor has said a bomb left outside his County Fermanagh home could be part of a campaign to intimidate Protestants living in the area.

The device was found in a lane leading to Harold Andrews' house at Mullaghglass, Rosslea on Monday. Police said it was viable.

He said some Protestant families feel they are living under siege. "It's intimidating for the small Protestant population in this particular area," he said.

Mr Andrews said he had passed the bomb a couple of times in the car and had not noticed it. However, his son spotted it at noon on Monday as he drove by in a tractor.

He described it as a steel tube about nine inches long with wires coming out of it.

"During the height of the Troubles there was quite a number of families who were forced out of the area, intimidated out of the area," he said.

"Some of them had to leave because relatives were killed and their next of kin basically left the area.


"It would appear that there's certain individuals don't want the peace process to be successful and they want to turn the clock back.

"Hopefully they won't be able to achieve their aim."

Mr Andrews' family has lived in the area for four generations. He has been an Ulster Unionist councillor since 1997.

In May 2011, a gas cylinder with wires protruding out of it was left beside the road about 50 yards from the end of his lane. That turned out to be a hoax.

However, in this case the police said it was a viable device.

"It's very unsettling. It makes life very difficult for my wife and my son and myself living in the area," he said.

He said there had been a recent incident in the Newtownbutler area and the victim was convinced that the motive was to force out Protestants.

Mr Andrews said: "It would indicate that this is something similar basically to intimidate people to leave the area - I certainly won't be leaving the area anyway.

"Both communities are getting on very well in the area and it's very disappointing and it certainly doesn't help community relations. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17602073
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 12, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0512/psni-arrest-four-following-house-raids.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0512/psni-arrest-four-following-house-raids.html)

PSNI arrest four following house raids in Counties Tyrone and Antrim
Updated: 11:42, Saturday, 12 May 2012

PSNI detectives investigating alleged dissident republican activity have arrested four people in separate raids across Northern Ireland.

today police officers sealed off three houses in Co Tyrone at Pomeroy, Carrickmore and Omagh. A security swoop was also carried out on a fourth property at Toomebridge in Co Antrim.

Three men - aged 33, 44 and 44 - and a 37-year-old woman have been detained for questioning

(http://img.rasset.ie/00052fbf-314.jpg)

involvement in alleged dissident republican activity and are being questioned by detectives in the Serious Crime Suite at Antrim police base.

The suspects can be held initially for up to 24 hours
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AQMP on November 01, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
First reports suggest it was a prison officer/staff member shot near Lurgan this morning
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 01, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
'Shots fired' as man dies in M1 crashPolice believe shots may have been fired at a car which crashed on the M1 in Northern Ireland, killing a man.

DUP Justice Spokesperson Paul Givan has said he believes the man who died worked for the prison service.

The incident happened on a section of the motorway between the M12 Portadown turn-off and the Lurgan interchange, heading towards Belfast.

It happened at about 07:30GMT on Thursday.

The motorway has been closed in both directions.

Police are investigating reports of burnt out car found near Lurgan.

East Belfast MP Naomi Long has expressed her sadness following the shooting.

"It has particular ramifications for people," she said.

"It is very distressing but also very upsetting in a political way.

"What the people in Northern Ireland want is for this to be over."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 01, 2012, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: Agent Orange on March 30, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
My thoughts as well.  I haven't followed the case to be honest, and from what I have heard the evidence they seem to be focusing on was your mans car having a locator attahced to it which pinpointed him near the scene and not much else.

They conveniently deleted most of the evidence from that tracker. Its a very strange case, no hard evidence, some seemongly shady enough witnesses and even shadier goings on.

Expect an appeal.

see Gerry Conlon has been appointed chairman of the Justice for the Craigavon two campaign, believing they have been victims of a miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 01, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Drug dealers one day, prison guards the next!! At this rate Irlend will be really free. Who's next? Seen a police man the other day eating a McDonalds!!


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Clown is going to get it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaffer on November 01, 2012, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 01, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?


Hopefully the murderers will be in some barracks soon!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 01, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Drug dealers one day, prison guards the next!! At this rate Irlend will be really free. Who's next? Seen a police man the other day eating a McDonalds!!


(http://www.dailygossip.org/media/posts/285-323x600.jpg)

Clown is going to get it
Not much regard for other motorists. Hitting easy targets. Big victory lads, well done.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2012, 10:54:33 PM
A lot of soul-searching tonight. A very well-planned hit against the Prison Service. It wasn't in any security planning this time last night.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on November 02, 2012, 08:23:07 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20177660 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20177660)

Two arrests in Lurgan area.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on November 02, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Also, why Lurgan, what is so 'special' about Lurgan that has gained such a following for the Dissidents?
Is it lack or opportunity for the young people or serious influence from leaders in the community, just wondering as I dont know the town that well at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 02, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Also, why Lurgan, what is so 'special' about Lurgan that has gained such a following for the Dissidents?
Is it lack or opportunity for the young people or serious influence from leaders in the community, just wondering as I dont know the town that well at all.

I wouldn't say there are any more in Lurgan than another town of comparable size but the long tradition of republican activism there means the few that are about are experienced and tightly knitted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.

Perspective. Yeah, prisoners in a jail are struggling to get their drugs smuggled in or get the ride, so we'll kill some old fella.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on November 02, 2012, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2012, 09:31:13 AM
Duffy....

How would one man have as much influence as that HS I am just trying to understand it, there are staunch places all over the place but none seem to be as militant as Lurgan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on November 02, 2012, 10:16:16 AM
@Bingo...the protest is about the end of strip searches not what you have stated. Not to say i support or condone what happened yesterday, f**king tubes need strung up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: playwiththewind1st on November 02, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 01, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?

Not quite lunchtime, but not far off it, apparently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: angermanagement on November 02, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2012, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 02, 2012, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2012, 09:31:13 AM
Duffy....

How would one man have as much influence as that HS I am just trying to understand it, there are staunch places all over the place but none seem to be as militant as Lurgan.
Sorry, that wasn't an answer to you. Just heard he was lifted.

Didn't take long for him to be lifted.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/republican-colin-duffy-arrested-in-hunt-for-m1-ambush-killers-of-prison-officer-david-black-16233140.html
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2012, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.

Perspective. Yeah, prisoners in a jail are struggling to get their drugs smuggled in or get the ride, so we'll kill some old fella.

tube
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.

Perspective. Yeah, prisoners in a jail are struggling to get their drugs smuggled in or get the ride, so we'll kill some old fella.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Club Rossa on November 02, 2012, 11:09:13 AM
Man lifted in Ardboe,raided the house at 1.55am this morning.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Hahaha, the expected repsonse.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AMIt's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct in your opening assertion, do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score"?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on November 02, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
One way to avoid being stripped searched i guess would be to get with the rest of the population and stop the activities that lands one in such an environment.

Maybe that is a leap too far for those involved.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 02, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

The Prison "Service" up here hasn't recruited any new members since 1994 meaning the vast majority (something like 80%+) are over 25 years in and over 60% have been there 30+ years. An RUC style clear-out of the old guard never happened, so a lot of these boys are still fighting the war 18 years later and still getting the danger-money they received pre-ceasefires. That puts the majority of them there during the Hunger Strikes and the 1983 leg-breakings and torture. It's probably them who have resisted the implementation of the 2010 strip search agreement by refusing to operate the a BOSS chair and continuing to use full body cavity searches as a matter of routine. The thing that's missed about the current protest is that the prisoners are not objecting to strip searching in principle, only to the frequency as to which it's happening e.g. in a day in which a prisoner goes to the canteen and takes a visit, he could be subjected to forced full body cavity search 6 or 8 times. That in my opinion is humiliating, degrading and completely unnecessary when there is a BOSS chair there which could be used instead. The screws are using strip searches for the same reasons they did "back in the (good old) day", to assert power, dominance and torture - I can think of no other reason. 

Someone else on this tread asked why there are so many dissidents around the Lurgan area, well things like this feed into it and give them a sense of grievance. Prison protests give them a sense of legitimacy and continuity going back to before the Tan War, the mass hunger strikes of the 20s and 30s, executions in the 40's and hunger strikes again in the 70s & 80s. May be bollocks but a lot of people are prepared to buy into it when they see the parallels.  Duffy is the perfect example. Pre-Massereene he was confining himself to political activism with the likes of Éirígí. After two years on protest he gets out, ditches Éirígí and publicly aligns himself violent dissidents.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 12:26:31 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 02, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

The Prison "Service" up here hasn't recruited any new members since 1994 meaning the vast majority (something like 80%+) are over 25 years in and over 60% have been there 30+ years. An RUC style clear-out of the old guard never happened, so a lot of these boys are still fighting the war 18 years later and still getting the danger-money they received pre-ceasefires. That puts the majority of them there during the Hunger Strikes and the 1983 leg-breakings and torture. It's probably them who have resisted the implementation of the 2010 strip search agreement by refusing to operate the a BOSS chair and continuing to use full body cavity searches as a matter of routine. The thing that's missed about the current protest is that the prisoners are not objecting to strip searching in principle, only to the frequency as to which it's happening e.g. in a day in which a prisoner goes to the canteen and takes a visit, he could be subjected to forced full body cavity search 6 or 8 times. That in my opinion is humiliating, degrading and completely unnecessary when there is a BOSS chair there which could be used instead. The screws are using strip searches for the same reasons they did "back in the (good old) day", to assert power, dominance and torture - I can think of no other reason. 

Someone else on this tread asked why there are so many dissidents around the Lurgan area, well things like this feed into it and give them a sense of grievance. Prison protests give them a sense of legitimacy and continuity going back to before the Tan War, the mass hunger strikes of the 20s and 30s, executions in the 40's and hunger strikes again in the 70s & 80s. May be bollocks but a lot of people are prepared to buy into it when they see the parallels.  Duffy is the perfect example. Pre-Massereene he was confining himself to political activism with the likes of Éirígí. After two years on protest he gets out, ditches Éirígí and publicly aligns himself violent dissidents.
You clearly have an interest in this topic and imply detailed knowledge.

Therefore any chance you could reply to my two simple queries in post #724, above?

Just in case you missed them, they were:
So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score"?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 02, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
Ulick u have hit the nail on the head with that post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 02, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

The Prison "Service" up here hasn't recruited any new members since 1994 meaning the vast majority (something like 80%+) are over 25 years in and over 60% have been there 30+ years. An RUC style clear-out of the old guard never happened, so a lot of these boys are still fighting the war 18 years later and still getting the danger-money they received pre-ceasefires. That puts the majority of them there during the Hunger Strikes and the 1983 leg-breakings and torture. It's probably them who have resisted the implementation of the 2010 strip search agreement by refusing to operate the a BOSS chair and continuing to use full body cavity searches as a matter of routine. The thing that's missed about the current protest is that the prisoners are not objecting to strip searching in principle, only to the frequency as to which it's happening e.g. in a day in which a prisoner goes to the canteen and takes a visit, he could be subjected to forced full body cavity search 6 or 8 times. That in my opinion is humiliating, degrading and completely unnecessary when there is a BOSS chair there which could be used instead. The screws are using strip searches for the same reasons they did "back in the (good old) day", to assert power, dominance and torture - I can think of no other reason. 
Yet if I understand correctly, those who murdered this man wouldn't be that interested in reform of the Prison Service, in the same way that the "RUC style clear-out" didn't stop them targeting PSNI officers.

And the motivation may have been the strip search issue. But it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Yet if I understand correctly, those who murdered this man wouldn't be that interested in reform of the Prison Service, in the same way that the "RUC style clear-out" didn't stop them targeting PSNI officers.

And the motivation may have been the strip search issue. But it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I've no idea whether they want reform or not but it's there for all to see that an agreement was reached in 2010 which was subsequently reneged on. When similar protests failed in the 70s and 80s the inevitable result was the targeting for screws on the outside.

My point is that the prison regime is contributing to support for the dissidents on the outside by radicalising people who may otherwise not have bothered. All of those prisoners have friends and relations on the outside who are being drawn into supporting the protest on humanitarian grounds. For their troubles they are vilified by all and sundry for their association with the prisoners despite the fact they may not even have been convicted. In such circumstances it's easy to see why they might start to veer towards the dissidents. I've seen this happen with the relations of the many Lurgan prisoners currently in Maghaberry.

The prison boss appealing for Catholic applicants means nothing. The RUC and UDR did it for years and had no effect and it will have no effect until it's cleared out or disbanded in the same way as the RUC and UDR.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Club Rossa on November 02, 2012, 12:58:07 PM
Correction,the house in Ardboe was raided but nobody lifted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Yet if I understand correctly, those who murdered this man wouldn't be that interested in reform of the Prison Service, in the same way that the "RUC style clear-out" didn't stop them targeting PSNI officers.

And the motivation may have been the strip search issue. But it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I've no idea whether they want reform or not but it's there for all to see that an agreement was reached in 2010 which was subsequently reneged on. When similar protests failed in the 70s and 80s the inevitable result was the targeting for screws on the outside.

My point is that the prison regime is contributing to support for the dissidents on the outside by radicalising people who may otherwise not have bothered. All of those prisoners have friends and relations on the outside who are being drawn into supporting the protest on humanitarian grounds. For their troubles they are vilified by all and sundry for their association with the prisoners despite the fact they may not even have been convicted. In such circumstances it's easy to see why they might start to veer towards the dissidents. I've seen this happen with the relations of the many Lurgan prisoners currently in Maghaberry.

The prison boss appealing for Catholic applicants means nothing. The RUC and UDR did it for years and had no effect and it will have no effect until it's cleared out or disbanded in the same way as the RUC and UDR.
Maybe not, but an incident like this will won't help either.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
So what was my point?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
So what was my point?
Try to stop behaving like your talking to a child.

Though I suppose we can't all be as smart as wot you are.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
So what was my point?
Try to stop behaving like your talking to a child.

Though I suppose we can't all be as smart as wot you are.
Who's claiming to be smart? Your response to my comment made no sense - i'm trying to understand your logic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 12:54:36 PM


I've no idea whether they want reform or not but it's there for all to see that an agreement was reached in 2010 which was subsequently reneged on. When similar protests failed in the 70s and 80s the inevitable result was the targeting for screws on the outside.

My point is that the prison regime is contributing to support for the dissidents on the outside by radicalising people who may otherwise not have bothered. All of those prisoners have friends and relations on the outside who are being drawn into supporting the protest on humanitarian grounds. For their troubles they are vilified by all and sundry for their association with the prisoners despite the fact they may not even have been convicted. In such circumstances it's easy to see why they might start to veer towards the dissidents. I've seen this happen with the relations of the many Lurgan prisoners currently in Maghaberry.

The prison boss appealing for Catholic applicants means nothing. The RUC and UDR did it for years and had no effect and it will have no effect until it's cleared out or disbanded in the same way as the RUC and UDR.
So, I see you're still declining to answer the questions I put to you in #724 and #727, namely:

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Come on now, Donagh Ulick, you seem to have plenty to say on this topic otherwise, why so coy about this particular aspect?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

I don't agree. I think they are trying to provide some wider context for the tragic event. A failure to learn the lessons of history is what has brought about this sorry mess in the first place. The removal of the dignity of any human being is not, and never will be, a good idea.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
Maybe so -- but what has them buckos in jail in the first place ?
How many did they rob of dignity?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2012, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
Maybe so -- but what has them buckos in jail in the first place ?
How many did they rob of dignity?

A lot of those people in Maghaberry jail are interned and have not faced court yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 02, 2012, 02:59:08 PM
Gerry Kelly was on UTV last night condemning the killing of the prison officer.


The presenter let him condemn it left, right and centre.

Then asked him about the time he shot a prison officer in the head during the prison break in 1983.

Was it deliberate to put Gerry Kelly up for interview given his history of shooting the prison officer or do SF just not care anymore and believe that they can justify it by saying that was then, this is now and we shouldn't be doing this sort of thing anymore ?. It's peacetime. So just do as we say.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

Blow it out your hole you judgmental p***k. I fully support the peace process. I don't condone what happened yesterday. My posts simply echo what Ulick said, which is that as a result of an agreement to end inhumane treatment being reneged on, it was likely that there was sooner or later going to be a dramatic reaction to this escalation in tensions between the prisoners/their supporters and the prison officers. This basic understanding is strengthened by the fact that claims were made in a court earlier in the year that prisoners were feeding details about prison officers to Lurgan dissidents on the outside. It is further strengthened by the fact that it is simply history repeating itself in terms of how prisoners are treated and how they will likely respond to it. A basic understanding that things were only getting worse and that it would probably end in bloodshed doesn't indicate support for things like yesterdays killing, no matter how much so many clueless,  sanctimonious pricks like yourself seem to believe.
I've reported this to the Moderator.

Ye tell the teacher too??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 02:58:18 PM
I fully support the peace process. I don't condone what happened yesterday. My posts simply echo what Ulick said, which is that as a result of an agreement to end inhumane treatment being reneged on, it was likely that there was sooner or later going to be a dramatic reaction to this escalation in tensions between the prisoners/their supporters and the prison officers. This basic understanding is strengthened by the fact that claims were made in a court earlier in the year that prisoners were feeding details about prison officers to Lurgan dissidents on the outside. It is further strengthened by the fact that it is simply history repeating itself in terms of how prisoners are treated and how they will likely respond to it. A basic understanding that things were only getting worse and that it would probably end in bloodshed doesn't indicate support for things like yesterdays killing, no matter how much so many clueless,  sanctimonious pricks like yourself seem to believe.
OK, so you don't condone yesterday's murder, sorry, I mean killing, nor should your (carefully constructed) comments be taken to imply support for it, we get* that.

But here's a simple question. Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?


* - Whether we're all persuaded by it is another matter, of course  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

Worse obviously, what is going on in the prison system in the north is reprehensible, an agreement was reached 2 years ago and has yet to be implemented, why?

The scum that killed this guard have put innocent citizens at risk for a tit for tat killing, I hope they find these scumbags and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

We can never allow the filth to bring us down the path we were on before peace broke out, those who would undermine the peace process need to be weeded out and put away.

There is no need for cavity searches these days, none whatsoever however killing prison guards is not the answer, it is never the answer!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Well just so I don't fall prey to fanciful thinking, can you answer the simple question I posed to you above, namely:
Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 02:58:18 PM
I fully support the peace process. I don't condone what happened yesterday. My posts simply echo what Ulick said, which is that as a result of an agreement to end inhumane treatment being reneged on, it was likely that there was sooner or later going to be a dramatic reaction to this escalation in tensions between the prisoners/their supporters and the prison officers. This basic understanding is strengthened by the fact that claims were made in a court earlier in the year that prisoners were feeding details about prison officers to Lurgan dissidents on the outside. It is further strengthened by the fact that it is simply history repeating itself in terms of how prisoners are treated and how they will likely respond to it. A basic understanding that things were only getting worse and that it would probably end in bloodshed doesn't indicate support for things like yesterdays killing, no matter how much so many clueless,  sanctimonious pricks like yourself seem to believe.
OK, so you don't condone yesterday's murder, sorry, I mean killing, nor should your (carefully constructed) comments be taken to imply support for it, we get* that.

But here's a simple question. Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?


* - Whether we're all persuaded by it is another matter, of course  ::)

So if he does condemn the killing of the guard you wont believe him anyway?? why should he bother then????

I have a question or two for you, do you think it is right to have these prisoners subjected to body searches multiple times daily, and do you think that since the equipment is there to eradicate the need for such searches, the guards no longer need to do such searches??

Finally, do you think it immoral that an agreement was reached two years ago to use machines instead of degrading these men and as of now they are not being universally used in prisons in the north?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

Rossfan, unless you have something useful to contribute you really should keep quiet while the adults are talking. Good lad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Well just so I don't fall prey to fanciful thinking, can you answer the simple question I posed to you above, namely:
Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?

Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. The fact is right now that with ALL the parties unreservedly condemning this action, this perversely seems to be all they can do. We've come full circle. The fact is that the treatment of those prisoners is inhumane and that is, and should be, an embarrassment to anyone purporting to run a so called normal society. Can someone please answer the question as to how our f*ckin authorities, knowing what they know about the past result of such cycles of behavior, took no action to prevent this deteriorating into the sorry mess it now is where a man has lost his life? It's pathetic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rois on November 02, 2012, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. T

We were listening to the radio on the way into work this morn and it sounded like a report from the early 90s.

Prison officer shot dead, man arrested for murder of Robert McCartney and charged with IRA membership...pretty depressing.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Well just so I don't fall prey to fanciful thinking, can you answer the simple question I posed to you above, namely:
Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?

Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. The fact is right now that with ALL the parties unreservedly condemning this action, this perversely seems to be all they can do. We've come full circle. The fact is that the treatment of those prisoners is inhumane and that is, and should be, an embarrassment to anyone purporting to run a so called normal society. Can someone please answer the question as to how our f*ckin authorities, knowing what they know about the past result of such cycles of behavior, took no action to prevent this deteriorating into the sorry mess it now is where a man has lost his life? It's pathetic.

Well said that man, perfectly put!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?
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Poor taste as usual.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 02, 2012, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. T

We were listening to the radio on the way into work this morn and it sounded like a report from the early 90s.

Prison officer shot dead, man arrested for murder of Robert McCartney and charged with IRA membership...pretty depressing.
[/quote

And prisoners still getting treated inhumanily like back in the 1980s , depressing indeed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PMSo if [Nally] does condemn the killing of the guard you wont believe him anyway?? why should he bother then????
If and when he tells me that he condemns it, I will respond as to whether I accept his condemnation or not.
Then everyone else may judge for themselves which of us, if either, is being truthful, consistent and sincere on this matter.

Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PMI have a question or two for you, do you think it is right to have these prisoners subjected to body searches multiple times daily, and do you think that since the equipment is there to eradicate the need for such searches, the guards no longer need to do such searches??

Finally, do you think it immoral that an agreement was reached two years ago to use machines instead of degrading these men and as of now they are not being universally used in prisons in the north?
I find it difficult to answer those two questions in simple terms, for two reasons.

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry. Nor am I prepared to accept at face value the propaganda over it put about by the prisoners in the jail, nor their supporters outside, including it would seem, on this site.

The second is more a matter of judgement than fact. No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided. But there undoubtedly are prison visitors who would entirely voluntarily smuggle weapons etc to very dangerous prisoners, who themselves would have no qualms in using them to kill other prisoners or Prison Officers. Therefore it is these people (visitors and prisoners) who are ultimately responsible for full body searches having to be carried out.

Which leads on to the next question, that of using machines to conduct the searches. I have no idea how efficient or practical these machines are. Assuming they can do the job at least as accurately as humans then they should be introduced as quickly as feasible. However, should there be any doubt about this, then the safety of Prison Officers and Prisoners must take priority over the dignity of visitors.

Finally, whatever the ins-and-outs of the Agreement, and whether it was reneged upon etc, this matter is the responsibility of the Prisons Minister, David Forde. And whatever else he may be, I assume him to be a decent, humane man, who is not instinctively hostile to Republican prisoners. Nor do I believe he would 'play games' on so serious a matter as this.

Therefore I cannot give a definitive answer to either of your questions.

I can like you, however, condemn without reservation the foul murder of the Prison Officer yesterday.

Oh that everyone else on here could do the same...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: arsecandle on November 02, 2012, 03:54:29 PM
lets be honest,if a single nuclear missle strike hit the centre of lurgan town centre without warning would anyone miss the place????
meanwhile the prison officials at magaberry should do a prisoner swap with sherrif joe apiro in arizona.we send out there some of our so called political prisoners while we get illegal mexican immigrants in return.then these dissident republicans really will have something to fckin complain about.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.

I think that the searches that are going on should be stopped, going through the airport you get examined now by a full body search machine and I only have to take my shoes off for it.

I can grasp that killing people is not the answer. But whatever floats your boat
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:01:12 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

Rossfan, unless you have something useful to contribute you really should keep quiet while the adults are talking. Good lad.
For someone who has so much to say on this thread Donagh Ulick, you are strangely reticent when it comes to answering the (one-word answer) questions which I have now posed to you three times (#724, #727, #742).

Anyhow, before I begin to feel compelled to deduce for myself your answers, I'll give you another opportunity:

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on November 02, 2012, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on November 02, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 01, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?

Not quite lunchtime, but not far off it, apparently.

So what time do the Lurgan riots commence?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?

Blog from SDLP member Emmet Doyle

When I thought I couldn't be shocked:

Last Thursday I again found myself in the bleak surroundings of Roe House, Maghaberry Prison. Pat Ramsey and I went to visit some of the men, including Gerry McGeough. I thought that the shell-chocking effect of the place had hit me hard my first few visits, and that I couldn't be shocked any further. Boy was I mistaken.

Usually, we enter Roe at landing four, and enter the Recreation Room to meet individuals and groups. It is a much larger, cleaner and more modern space. Akin, strangely, to my old school canteen. Not this time. We were led by the SO upstairs, to Roe 3 as the Officers and external staff were cleaning the floor on Roe 4, as a result of the on-going protest, and given it was early in the morning, the stench was almost overpowering.

At the foot of the stairs were bags and bags of Acro - the organic absorbent compound used to soak up urine on the floors, which is then hoovered up. As we descended, the clean, modern facade of Roe began to fade away. What I can only describe as a total mess, was piled up outside a cleaners store just before the security gate. An iron, cables, it was like someone had flytipped in the middle of the hall. Granted, they were all on a shelf, which I could spot after about ten seconds of looking, but this is supposed to be a Category A facility where human beings were held, it was a total travesty.

At the top of the stairs and through the first door, we had to wait until the gate was opened by Officers clad in CSI-white overalls, walkie-talkies and batons. Once on the landing, we were led to the "classroom". I use inverted commas, primarily because there is no way on earth the room we were led to could be said to be a classroom. Other than the electronic whiteboard on the wall and the whiteboard on the floor at the back of the room with Irish on it, the only other thing that was in the room was dirt.

The desks must have been brought in from Long Kesh, they were so old. The computers at the back of the room, though they looked relatively modern, were covered in cobwebs and debris. On the wall was a canvass picture - of a red telephone box and Big Ben - ironic, I thought.

We met Gerry first, as always in good spirits and friendly, despite the obvious hardship he has endured. We all spoke for about 40 minutes, then we met a few other men, all who raised issues about the primary issue coming out of Maghaberry at present - healthcare.

That is a conversation for another day. After the meetings had ended, we emerged from the cave which was deemed a classroom, and were once again on the landing, smell and spray [which has brought me out in a rash again this week] right in our faces. It was lunchtime, and the Officers set about going to give the men their plastic covered food.

Pat set off down the right side of Roe, seeking out two opened cells at the bottom of the wing - one cleaned, one dirty. I set out down the left side, seeking out the new machine that was being used below to clean the cells, which had been causing annoyance to both staff and prisoners as it was used in conjunction with a diesel generator, and the fumes in such an encolsed area were not pleasant.

I couldn't get downstairs, but I asked one of the officers to go down and see if he could get me the name of the machine, its make, serial number, any markings on it. He re-appeared a few minutes later, but with no information. I wasn't leaving without it.

Pat came back up the landing from one of the dirty cells, shaking his head. I had caught a glimpse of the cell on way down to see if I could get downstairs, and would be lying if I said I wasn't physically afraid of going to look into it.

When we were 'spun out' of the landing [the process whereby one officer has to radio another officer in another part of the building to release the turnstyles to let us out] we went back downstairs, though locked back from the landing on Roe 4. I asked to see the SO, to get the information I had sought about this machine, while making notes about the cleaning products and absorbent material being used for the protest cleanup. Again, no joy.

Surprisingly, and I have to give credit where it is due - one of the external workers, about my age, came right up to the gate and asked what I was looking for - I repeated, the name, serial number, model of the new cleaner - and he came back a few minutes later with the information on a post-it.

As we left, escorted by an Officer to the exit of the compound, that feeling of not wanting to leave but impatient to get out of the harrowing building again visited me, and Pat also, as it always did. As we walked up the driveway towards the main gate, the follow-up plans flowed, as they always did, what was next to address the issues raised, which family members did we need to phone.

Let no-one tell you that the men there, and indeed all prisoners regardless of colour, creed or nationality have no-one standing up for them in the Assembly - because we left the Quakers after a near two-hour visit to Roe and after getting our first food of the day (and toilet break given we are not permitted to use facilities in the prison) and drove straight to Parliament Buildings to address what we could from there.

I know that eight or nine Deputies are to visit Roe within the coming weeks - something made possible by the changing of prison rules that we had worked on for months to allow TDs equal access to Northern prisons as MLAs and MPs have. That will be important for all in Roe - to know that honourable men and women North and South have not forgotten.

I'll finish by saying the intense itching in the car to Stormont and the rash and boils underneath my beard following the visit as a result of the spray, have now ceased, but I don't know how they do it.

Never forget
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does
I gave as honest, open and comprehensive an answer as I could.

It is telling that you decline to "play the ball" and instead revert to "playing the man".

Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided
You question my assertion, above.

Does that mean you believe Prison Officers enjoy going to work each day in the knowledge that they have to carry out such disgusting and degrading duties?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PMSo if [Nally] does condemn the killing of the guard you wont believe him anyway?? why should he bother then????
If and when he tells me that he condemns it, I will respond as to whether I accept his condemnation or not.
Then everyone else may judge for themselves which of us, if either, is being truthful, consistent and sincere on this matter.

Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PMI have a question or two for you, do you think it is right to have these prisoners subjected to body searches multiple times daily, and do you think that since the equipment is there to eradicate the need for such searches, the guards no longer need to do such searches??

Finally, do you think it immoral that an agreement was reached two years ago to use machines instead of degrading these men and as of now they are not being universally used in prisons in the north?
I find it difficult to answer those two questions in simple terms, for two reasons.

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry. Nor am I prepared to accept at face value the propaganda over it put about by the prisoners in the jail, nor their supporters outside, including it would seem, on this site.

The second is more a matter of judgement than fact. No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided. But there undoubtedly are prison visitors who would entirely voluntarily smuggle weapons etc to very dangerous prisoners, who themselves would have no qualms in using them to kill other prisoners or Prison Officers. Therefore it is these people (visitors and prisoners) who are ultimately responsible for full body searches having to be carried out.

Which leads on to the next question, that of using machines to conduct the searches. I have no idea how efficient or practical these machines are. Assuming they can do the job at least as accurately as humans then they should be introduced as quickly as feasible. However, should there be any doubt about this, then the safety of Prison Officers and Prisoners must take priority over the dignity of visitors.

Finally, whatever the ins-and-outs of the Agreement, and whether it was reneged upon etc, this matter is the responsibility of the Prisons Minister, David Forde. And whatever else he may be, I assume him to be a decent, humane man, who is not instinctively hostile to Republican prisoners. Nor do I believe he would 'play games' on so serious a matter as this.

Therefore I cannot give a definitive answer to either of your questions.

I can like you, however, condemn without reservation the foul murder of the Prison Officer yesterday.

Oh that everyone else on here could do the same...

EG, that is a well thought out response, measured and to be honest you shoulod be running for office, on other threads you have no problem jumping to conclusions when it suits you? look at your stance on  Finucane for example, you have absolutely no problem calling him a terrorist, no measured response there.

Let me help you with the facts, a simple google search will tell you all you need to know about these machines and what they are capable of, takes the guesswork out of the equation don't you think?

Second, why can you not answer the second question, an agreement was reached and the PO have failed to implement the agreement, is that immoral or not given the power of google you have at your fingertips?

Finally, if anyone can condone the murder of this Prison officer they are sick in the head, there is no excuse for his execution and now we have another family who is needlessly mourning the loss of a loved one at the hands of despicable cnuts who have no right to be a part of society!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Never forget
Have you forgotten #724, #727, #742, #772, Donagh Ulick?

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Why the reluctance to answer what are simple, straightforward questions?  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does


Well said Sheamy, this guy should be running for office as a DUP candidate for East Belfast  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?

Blog from SDLP member Emmet Doyle

When I thought I couldn't be shocked:

Last Thursday I again found myself in the bleak surroundings of Roe House, Maghaberry Prison. Pat Ramsey and I went to visit some of the men, including Gerry McGeough. I thought that the shell-chocking effect of the place had hit me hard my first few visits, and that I couldn't be shocked any further. Boy was I mistaken.

Usually, we enter Roe at landing four, and enter the Recreation Room to meet individuals and groups. It is a much larger, cleaner and more modern space. Akin, strangely, to my old school canteen. Not this time. We were led by the SO upstairs, to Roe 3 as the Officers and external staff were cleaning the floor on Roe 4, as a result of the on-going protest, and given it was early in the morning, the stench was almost overpowering.

At the foot of the stairs were bags and bags of Acro - the organic absorbent compound used to soak up urine on the floors, which is then hoovered up. As we descended, the clean, modern facade of Roe began to fade away. What I can only describe as a total mess, was piled up outside a cleaners store just before the security gate. An iron, cables, it was like someone had flytipped in the middle of the hall. Granted, they were all on a shelf, which I could spot after about ten seconds of looking, but this is supposed to be a Category A facility where human beings were held, it was a total travesty.

At the top of the stairs and through the first door, we had to wait until the gate was opened by Officers clad in CSI-white overalls, walkie-talkies and batons. Once on the landing, we were led to the "classroom". I use inverted commas, primarily because there is no way on earth the room we were led to could be said to be a classroom. Other than the electronic whiteboard on the wall and the whiteboard on the floor at the back of the room with Irish on it, the only other thing that was in the room was dirt.

The desks must have been brought in from Long Kesh, they were so old. The computers at the back of the room, though they looked relatively modern, were covered in cobwebs and debris. On the wall was a canvass picture - of a red telephone box and Big Ben - ironic, I thought.

We met Gerry first, as always in good spirits and friendly, despite the obvious hardship he has endured. We all spoke for about 40 minutes, then we met a few other men, all who raised issues about the primary issue coming out of Maghaberry at present - healthcare.

That is a conversation for another day. After the meetings had ended, we emerged from the cave which was deemed a classroom, and were once again on the landing, smell and spray [which has brought me out in a rash again this week] right in our faces. It was lunchtime, and the Officers set about going to give the men their plastic covered food.

Pat set off down the right side of Roe, seeking out two opened cells at the bottom of the wing - one cleaned, one dirty. I set out down the left side, seeking out the new machine that was being used below to clean the cells, which had been causing annoyance to both staff and prisoners as it was used in conjunction with a diesel generator, and the fumes in such an encolsed area were not pleasant.

I couldn't get downstairs, but I asked one of the officers to go down and see if he could get me the name of the machine, its make, serial number, any markings on it. He re-appeared a few minutes later, but with no information. I wasn't leaving without it.

Pat came back up the landing from one of the dirty cells, shaking his head. I had caught a glimpse of the cell on way down to see if I could get downstairs, and would be lying if I said I wasn't physically afraid of going to look into it.

When we were 'spun out' of the landing [the process whereby one officer has to radio another officer in another part of the building to release the turnstyles to let us out] we went back downstairs, though locked back from the landing on Roe 4. I asked to see the SO, to get the information I had sought about this machine, while making notes about the cleaning products and absorbent material being used for the protest cleanup. Again, no joy.

Surprisingly, and I have to give credit where it is due - one of the external workers, about my age, came right up to the gate and asked what I was looking for - I repeated, the name, serial number, model of the new cleaner - and he came back a few minutes later with the information on a post-it.

As we left, escorted by an Officer to the exit of the compound, that feeling of not wanting to leave but impatient to get out of the harrowing building again visited me, and Pat also, as it always did. As we walked up the driveway towards the main gate, the follow-up plans flowed, as they always did, what was next to address the issues raised, which family members did we need to phone.

Let no-one tell you that the men there, and indeed all prisoners regardless of colour, creed or nationality have no-one standing up for them in the Assembly - because we left the Quakers after a near two-hour visit to Roe and after getting our first food of the day (and toilet break given we are not permitted to use facilities in the prison) and drove straight to Parliament Buildings to address what we could from there.

I know that eight or nine Deputies are to visit Roe within the coming weeks - something made possible by the changing of prison rules that we had worked on for months to allow TDs equal access to Northern prisons as MLAs and MPs have. That will be important for all in Roe - to know that honourable men and women North and South have not forgotten.

I'll finish by saying the intense itching in the car to Stormont and the rash and boils underneath my beard following the visit as a result of the spray, have now ceased, but I don't know how they do it.

Never forget
Am I reading this right - the problem is as a result of the prisoners' protest?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Never forget
Have you forgotten #724, #727, #742, #772, Donagh Ulick?

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Why the reluctance to answer what are simple, straightforward questions?  ::)

I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!

Now why do you flip flop when it suits you, why do you refuse to jump to conclusions when it suits you?

Finally, remember the anniversary thread........................... you forgot to mention that the Miami Showband killings on the anniversary thread you started!, newsflash, both atrocities happened on the same day/different years!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:18:06 PM
EG, that is a well thought out response, measured and to be honest you shoulod be running for office, on other threads you have no problem jumping to conclusions when it suits you? look at your stance on  Finucane for example, you have absolutely no problem calling him a terrorist, no measured response there.
Re Finucane, I have very good reason for believing that he was the Provos' "in-house lawyer" (so-to-speak). And whilst I don't expect people here to take that at face value, nor care if they don't, that informs my attitude towards him and his murder*.
As for Maghaberry, that is not so straightforward a topic (for me, at any rate).

* - Which I am quite happy to condemn, btw.

Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:18:06 PMLet me help you with the facts, a simple google search will tell you all you need to know about these machines and what they are capable of, takes the guesswork out of the equation don't you think?

Second, why can you not answer the second question, an agreement was reached and the PO have failed to implement the agreement, is that immoral or not given the power of google you have at your fingertips?
Ah right, a few minutes Googling, and this whole thing could be cleared up just like that.

Have to made this suggestion to David Forde?

Or do you not trust or accept that he might want to get this sorted in a fair, prompt and efficient manner?

Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:18:06 PMFinally, if anyone can condone the murder of this Prison officer they are sick in the head, there is no excuse for his execution and now we have another family who is needlessly mourning the loss of a loved one at the hands of despicable cnuts who have no right to be a part of society!
I'm pleased that we can at least agree on this.

But assuming the Maghaberry dispute were resolved, I still can't help wondering whether the Dissidents [sic], both inside and outside the jail, would then accept that Prison Officers were no longer 'legitimate targets' [sic], despite their still being part of the infamous 'British War Machine' etc etc etc?

(That's a rhetorical question, btw, and I think I know my own answer to it in any case)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does


Well said Sheamy, this guy should be running for office as a DUP candidate for East Belfast  ;)
I'd as soon represent SF as I would the DUP.

Mind you, the way they spend all their time f**king each other in Stormont, I don't suppose it would make a huge degree of difference...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does


Well said Sheamy, this guy should be running for office as a DUP candidate for East Belfast  ;)
I'd as soon represent SF as I would the DUP.

Mind you, the way they spend all their time f**king each other in Stormont, I don't suppose it would make a huge degree of difference...

That made me laugh...............................now, how can you justify your stance in not answering my questions based on not enough reliable information on whats going on inside our prisons yet have such a lowly opinion of Finucane???? do you know something the rest of the people that reside in the wee six don't know? or do you know jack shit on that score and throw derogatory names at a dead man with absolutely no proof????
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Never forget
Have you forgotten #724, #727, #742, #772, Donagh Ulick?

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Why the reluctance to answer what are simple, straightforward questions?  ::)

I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!
Condones, even supports it?

Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Now why do you flip flop when it suits you, why do you refuse to jump to conclusions when it suits you?

Finally, remember the anniversary thread........................... you forgot to mention that the Miami Showband killings on the anniversary thread you started!, newsflash, both atrocities happened on the same day/different years!
When an issue seems straightforward to me (eg Finucane), then I am happy to express a definitive opinion.

Just as when an issue is not straightforward (eg Maghaberry), I decline to do so.

You may call that "flip-flopping" if you like, but I call it consistent.

Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PMFinally, remember the anniversary thread........................... you forgot to mention that the Miami Showband killings on the anniversary thread you started!, newsflash, both atrocities happened on the same day/different years!
I hardly need to remind members of this Board of an atrocity like Miami, nor could there be any ambivalence or reluctance to condemn it etc.

Whereas an atrocity like Kingsmill, no more or less heinous, is much less likely to be remembered on this Board, as well as being less than roundly to be condemned by one or two individual posters.

In that sense they are different.

But in every other sense they are the same evil, entirely unjustifiable atrocities. Consequently I have absolutely no problem in condemning them both without reservation. Further, I would like to see all the perpetrators of both, from whatever quarter and wearing whatever uniform etc, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment, with life to mean life.

P.S. Actually, I have just remembered one other difference. Three people were tried and convicted of the Miami murders, and given very heavy sentences. Unfortunately, they had to be released early under the terms of the GFA. Still, the principle remains exactly the same.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!

I'm sure no one needs reminding, but just in case:

(http://uploadpad.com/files/Capture.GIF)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:59:51 PM
That made me laugh...............................now, how can you justify your stance in not answering my questions based on not enough reliable information on whats going on inside our prisons yet have such a lowly opinion of Finucane???? do you know something the rest of the people that reside in the wee six don't know? or do you know jack shit on that score and throw derogatory names at a dead man with absolutely no proof????
I don't have to justify it.

I think I know enough about the Finucane Murder to express a definitive opinion on it, whereas I don't know enough about Maghaberry to do so, not least because I simply do not trust the word of terrorists and murderers etc, who are so fanatical that they would live in their own shite and piss to prove their point.

And even if I did know enough of the facts, Maghaberry is not a simple black-and-white issue, since it requires finding a balance between the rights of prisoners to be treated humanely, and the right of other Prisoners and Prison Officers to live and work safely and securely, free from the threat of murder and maiming.

I can't be any clearer than that, so if that's not enough for you, so be it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!

I'm sure no one needs reminding, but just in case:

(http://uploadpad.com/files/Capture.GIF)
Well now that Stew has just accused you of condoning the Prison Officer's murder (or the 'killing [sic] of a screw', as you so charmingly put it), does that mean you will now be putting him on your Ignore List?

After all, that seems to have been your resort when confronted by me about just how callous and cynical your attitude to terrorism really is.

And you wouldn't like anyone thinking you inconsistent, or capable of double standards, would you, Ulick?

Or do I mean "Donagh"?

P.S. We all know that you read what I post, however much it suits you try to deny it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:59:51 PM
That made me laugh...............................now, how can you justify your stance in not answering my questions based on not enough reliable information on whats going on inside our prisons yet have such a lowly opinion of Finucane???? do you know something the rest of the people that reside in the wee six don't know? or do you know jack shit on that score and throw derogatory names at a dead man with absolutely no proof????
I don't have to justify it.

I think I know enough about the Finucane Murder to express a definitive opinion on it, whereas I don't know enough about Maghaberry to do so, not least because I simply do not trust the word of terrorists and murderers etc, who are so fanatical that they would live in their own shite and piss to prove their point.

I think you dont know any more than any of the rest of us!

See that, to me is cherry picking, how can you say you know enough about the Finucane murder to condemn him as an IRA attorney?

What do you know about Finucane that the rest of us don't know? who told you and why do you believe them? Do you have thev

And even if I did know enough of the facts, Maghaberry is not a simple black-and-white issue, since it requires finding a balance between the rights of prisoners to be treated humanely, and the right of other Prisoners and Prison Officers to live and work safely and securely, free from the threat of murder and maiming.

So the Finucane case IS a black and white issue but Meghaberry isnt? it that your stance?

I can't be any clearer than that, so if that's not enough for you, so be it.

To me there is a parallel here withthe hungers strikers back in the day, a high ranking British official told the prisoners and their representatives that they would be allowed to wear their own garb instead of the garb of the regular prisoners, due to the fact they were political prisoners, an agreement was reached, then breached by Thatcher and this, to me, is happening again due to the fact the Brits wont hold up their end of the bargain, imagine that! ::)

You wont justify your hypocrisy here because you cannot justify it, Finucane was a Catholic who got killed and yet you hammered away at his character despite knowing feck all  more about him than the rest of us do.

Then you feign ignorance at what is going on in the prison system despite the evidence..................see they have these machines than eradicate the need for full body searches, they even allow the  men to pass through them without being degraded 8 to ten times a day and are actually harmless.

Here is the solution, have your government live up to it's agreement, tell us what you know for a fact about Finucane that the rest of us mere mortals don't know and maybe the scumbags in Lurgan will stop killing PO's and we will all stop thinking the Finucane killing was completely unjustified!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?

Blog from SDLP member Emmet Doyle

When I thought I couldn't be shocked:

Last Thursday I again found myself in the bleak surroundings of Roe House, Maghaberry Prison. Pat Ramsey and I went to visit some of the men, including Gerry McGeough. I thought that the shell-chocking effect of the place had hit me hard my first few visits, and that I couldn't be shocked any further. Boy was I mistaken.

Usually, we enter Roe at landing four, and enter the Recreation Room to meet individuals and groups. It is a much larger, cleaner and more modern space. Akin, strangely, to my old school canteen. Not this time. We were led by the SO upstairs, to Roe 3 as the Officers and external staff were cleaning the floor on Roe 4, as a result of the on-going protest, and given it was early in the morning, the stench was almost overpowering.

At the foot of the stairs were bags and bags of Acro - the organic absorbent compound used to soak up urine on the floors, which is then hoovered up. As we descended, the clean, modern facade of Roe began to fade away. What I can only describe as a total mess, was piled up outside a cleaners store just before the security gate. An iron, cables, it was like someone had flytipped in the middle of the hall. Granted, they were all on a shelf, which I could spot after about ten seconds of looking, but this is supposed to be a Category A facility where human beings were held, it was a total travesty.

At the top of the stairs and through the first door, we had to wait until the gate was opened by Officers clad in CSI-white overalls, walkie-talkies and batons. Once on the landing, we were led to the "classroom". I use inverted commas, primarily because there is no way on earth the room we were led to could be said to be a classroom. Other than the electronic whiteboard on the wall and the whiteboard on the floor at the back of the room with Irish on it, the only other thing that was in the room was dirt.

The desks must have been brought in from Long Kesh, they were so old. The computers at the back of the room, though they looked relatively modern, were covered in cobwebs and debris. On the wall was a canvass picture - of a red telephone box and Big Ben - ironic, I thought.

We met Gerry first, as always in good spirits and friendly, despite the obvious hardship he has endured. We all spoke for about 40 minutes, then we met a few other men, all who raised issues about the primary issue coming out of Maghaberry at present - healthcare.

That is a conversation for another day. After the meetings had ended, we emerged from the cave which was deemed a classroom, and were once again on the landing, smell and spray [which has brought me out in a rash again this week] right in our faces. It was lunchtime, and the Officers set about going to give the men their plastic covered food.

Pat set off down the right side of Roe, seeking out two opened cells at the bottom of the wing - one cleaned, one dirty. I set out down the left side, seeking out the new machine that was being used below to clean the cells, which had been causing annoyance to both staff and prisoners as it was used in conjunction with a diesel generator, and the fumes in such an encolsed area were not pleasant.

I couldn't get downstairs, but I asked one of the officers to go down and see if he could get me the name of the machine, its make, serial number, any markings on it. He re-appeared a few minutes later, but with no information. I wasn't leaving without it.

Pat came back up the landing from one of the dirty cells, shaking his head. I had caught a glimpse of the cell on way down to see if I could get downstairs, and would be lying if I said I wasn't physically afraid of going to look into it.

When we were 'spun out' of the landing [the process whereby one officer has to radio another officer in another part of the building to release the turnstyles to let us out] we went back downstairs, though locked back from the landing on Roe 4. I asked to see the SO, to get the information I had sought about this machine, while making notes about the cleaning products and absorbent material being used for the protest cleanup. Again, no joy.

Surprisingly, and I have to give credit where it is due - one of the external workers, about my age, came right up to the gate and asked what I was looking for - I repeated, the name, serial number, model of the new cleaner - and he came back a few minutes later with the information on a post-it.

As we left, escorted by an Officer to the exit of the compound, that feeling of not wanting to leave but impatient to get out of the harrowing building again visited me, and Pat also, as it always did. As we walked up the driveway towards the main gate, the follow-up plans flowed, as they always did, what was next to address the issues raised, which family members did we need to phone.

Let no-one tell you that the men there, and indeed all prisoners regardless of colour, creed or nationality have no-one standing up for them in the Assembly - because we left the Quakers after a near two-hour visit to Roe and after getting our first food of the day (and toilet break given we are not permitted to use facilities in the prison) and drove straight to Parliament Buildings to address what we could from there.

I know that eight or nine Deputies are to visit Roe within the coming weeks - something made possible by the changing of prison rules that we had worked on for months to allow TDs equal access to Northern prisons as MLAs and MPs have. That will be important for all in Roe - to know that honourable men and women North and South have not forgotten.

I'll finish by saying the intense itching in the car to Stormont and the rash and boils underneath my beard following the visit as a result of the spray, have now ceased, but I don't know how they do it.

Never forget

So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Oraisteach on November 02, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
EG, there is something wonderfully appropriate about your unwillingness to believe people so "fanatical that they would live in their own shite and piss to prove their point," because in that beautiful synopsis you have engaged in astute self-revelation and encapsulated why it is that I can't really respect anything that you say.  In short, the structure of your reasonableness is built solidly on the bogland of your hypocrisy, a two-facedness captured in your untenable stance on the Finucane case.

You like to present yourself as evenhanded in your views--fair, democratic, liberal even—but the fact that you not only fail to express outrage at state-sanctioned murder but, in fact, applaud its outcome, only exposes the unreliability of your other views.  More contemptible, though, is that you almost always take pains to demonstrate your impeccable credentials for fairness (e.g. as in tag-on lines such as " * - Which I am quite happy  to  condemn,  btw. [relating to Finucane's murder], only right after you have uncondemned it).  Apparently, too,  you have remarkable detective powers that permit you to say that 'Re Finucane, I have very good reason for believing that he was the Provos' "in-house lawyer"', powers that allow you to bypass almost universally accepted rules of conduct in civilized societies.  In the Shangri La that you envision, it seems, lawyers should be available only to those whom you deem innocent. Ah, fcuk it all--kill the rest.

No, I don't think you're a "flip-flopper."  You are, as you say, consistent—consistently phony, endlessly pontificating in the "shite and piss" of your own duplicity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Ulick are these conditions in place for Republican prisoners only?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 02, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
Normal people go to work, worry about paying bills, putting children through school, doing work around their house, and in what little spare time a person has follow their hobbies , be it sports, socialising etc. If these low life's actually lived in the real world, like most of us do, they wouldn't have time to act the so called freedom fighter. Why some human beings value life so little is hard to gauge.conditions at a jail, should not be used as a reason or excuse to carry out such a vile act. Most people hope these type of days and acts are behind us, about time someone informed the nethanderals still living in the past.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 02, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
Normal people go to work, worry about paying bills, putting children through school, doing work around their house, and in what little spare time a person has follow their hobbies , be it sports, socialising etc. If these low life's actually lived in the real world, like most of us do, they wouldn't have time to act the so called freedom fighter. Why some human beings value life so little is hard to gauge.conditions at a jail, should not be used as a reason or excuse to carry out such a vile act. Most people hope these type of days and acts are behind us, about time someone informed the  still living in the past.

if you were getting a fist shoved up your hole five times a day you might think differently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

Gimme a page number and I'll go back and have a look. I'm genuinely curious as to what this is all about.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

Seems if you don't agree with or adore the opinions of Ulick you're not an adult.
My comment was that Ulick and another buck were in difficulty as they are not outrightly condemning this murder or the persons who carried it out while their leader Martim McGuinness was doing so.
It seems any adverse comment about SF or about Ulick and th'other yoke is just not allowed and the person who makes it has to be villified and abused from a heighth.
And then they wonder why most people in the 26 Cos. won't flock to vote for SF  :o
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

You answered your own question Ulick.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 03, 2012, 12:22:04 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
My comment was that Ulick and another buck were in difficulty as they are not outrightly condemning this murder or the persons who carried it out while their leader Martim McGuinness was doing so.
It seems any adverse comment about SF or about Ulick and th'other yoke is just not allowed and the person who makes it has to be villified and abused from a heighth.
And then they wonder why most people in the 26 Cos. won't flock to vote for SF  :o

Condemn it? What do you think this is Prime Time or something, you're Miriam and I'm Marty? No one cares any more about my opinion than they do about yours and both of ours together equal the sum of feck all squared - so don't come all the condemn bollocks with me. I offered an opinion and background information based on some local knowledge, you came in with the adolescent nonsense without contributing to what up until then had been a sensible discussion.

The recent posts on the thread started out with people trying to put some sense to what seemed a senseless act of murder, but inevitably when you look behind the tabloid spin there is always motivation to any murder. You were the person who tried to spin this out to some anti-SF agenda and insinuated that I or others supported the act when I made no comment either-way. The simple fact is I did not know Mr Black, so I'm not going to get on any righteous high horse about the killing. It was wrong, of course it was. As a society up here we have passed all that nonsense. However, I feel no more emotionally attached to the Black killing as I would to someone taking out Johnny Adair or Thatcher dying of Alzheimer's i.e. I empathise with the pain of the families and I wish them no harm but given the nasty history between us all I'm really not going to be all that upset about it.

Does that make me a hypocritical SF lackey? Maybe so, but at least I can be honest about, accept the tragedy of it all and let things sit as opposed to being a w**ker and using the death of a man in an attempt to score cheap, dirty, insignificant points against a perceived SFer on an anonymous discussion forum.
 
Oíche mhaith a chara.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 03, 2012, 12:30:41 AM
Ulick was enquiring earlier if the conditions these boys are kept in are only the preserve of dissidents, all Republican prisoners or all prisoners including Loyalists? I'm all for ensuring prison isn't a holiday camp but the sheer number of these strip searches seems to be about dehumanising and f**king with the mind of the prisoner rather than genuine attempts to find contraband.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 03, 2012, 01:17:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

Seems if you don't agree with or adore the opinions of Ulick you're not an adult.
My comment was that Ulick and another buck were in difficulty as they are not outrightly condemning this murder or the persons who carried it out while their leader Martim McGuinness was doing so.
It seems any adverse comment about SF or about Ulick and th'other yoke is just not allowed and the person who makes it has to be villified and abused from a heighth.
And then they wonder why most people in the 26 Cos. won't flock to vote for SF  :o

Not allowed to make adverse comment about SF? Say whatever the fcuk you want about SF, I don't give two shites. You are the only one who brought SF into the discussion to try take a few cheap shots, nobody else. My issue is that you accused me of supporting what happened on Thursday. Read back and you'll soon see my opinion of what happened and my re-stating of my support for the peace process. Apologies if that is at odds with how you'd like to present me, you arrogant, judgmental cretin. Seeing no problem with accusing someone of supporting what happened on Thursday but crying to a discussion board mod
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 11:10:23 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.

Do you know what they have done to be in jail? Maybe you could shine some light on their situation? What is Martin Corey charged with?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
So you basically support the mistreatment of prisoners and/or compromise of human rights based on a perception of guilt?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 11:10:23 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.

Do you know what they have done to be in jail? Maybe you could shine some light on their situation? What is Martin Corey charged with?
They've done nothing. They're all innocent victims of an oppressive British state, picked at random from BT's Yellow Pages, from the section headed 'Uppity Fenians'. There but for the grace of God, etc etc. These people have never harmed a living soul. They pose no risk to prison officers, PSNI personnel, pizza delivery boys, or assorted motorists who just happen to be driving along the M1 at any given time. They should be released immediately and allowed to take their rightful place amongst their friends and work colleagues, though in Gerry's case obviously not beside Sammy Brush.  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
So you basically support the mistreatment of prisoners and/or compromise of human rights based on a perception of guilt?
The most important human right is the right to life. Those who seek to deny this most basic right to others shouldn't cry if they find themselves deprived of a few of their own rights as a consequence.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
So you basically support the mistreatment of prisoners and/or compromise of human rights based on a perception of guilt?
The most important human right is the right to life. Those who seek to deny this most basic right to others shouldn't cry if they find themselves deprived of a few of their own rights as a consequence.
[/quote

So, you support Internment without trial?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on November 03, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
I think it's unfair to suggest that the wardens are the ones who "prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up people's rear ends on an hourly basis". I know as a man at the bottom of my work pyramid I don't make the rules. I do what I'm told.  The man murdered had a job, which cannot be underestimated in today's world. He got up daily and went to work, maybe to support a family.

He was an easy target for some sub human elements and no amount of justification or "perspective" will change that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 03, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
As unsettling as it may be for you, the sorry history of these things shows that failure to address problems does not make them go away.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 03, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
As unsettling as it may be for you, the sorry history of these things shows that failure to address problems does not make them go away.

Are we going to keep harping on about history?  Because history has a way of repeating itself does that make it ok? Stupid thing to say IMO
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 03, 2012, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 03, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
As unsettling as it may be for you, the sorry history of these things shows that failure to address problems does not make them go away.

Are we going to keep harping on about history?  Because history has a way of repeating itself does that make it ok? Stupid thing to say IMO

Right so we ignore past experiences and lessons learned? Very stupid thing to say IMO
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
If they weren't in prison to start with they wouldn't need searched. No justification for this killing. Yes Prison Officers are predominantly from the unionist community, but change is on the way.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 03:45:08 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
So you basically support the mistreatment of prisoners and/or compromise of human rights based on a perception of guilt?
The most important human right is the right to life. Those who seek to deny this most basic right to others shouldn't cry if they find themselves deprived of a few of their own rights as a consequence.
[/quote

So, you support Internment without trial?
Those who claim to be waging war against the state cannot, at the same time, insist that they are afforded all the usual rights and entitlements normally afforded to people living in a liberal democracy. The state's first duty is to protect its citizens. If the only way of doing that is to withdraw from a few the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then so be it. The majority of citizens recognise this to be a necessary evil. If those who find themselves at the wrong end of it don't like it, they have a choice: they can call a halt to their campaign of violence against the state.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 03, 2012, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: sheamy on November 03, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
As unsettling as it may be for you, the sorry history of these things shows that failure to address problems does not make them go away.

Are we going to keep harping on about history?  Because history has a way of repeating itself does that make it ok? Stupid thing to say IMO

Right so we ignore past experiences and lessons learned? Very stupid thing to say IMO

Right so over 3000 people died and what have we learned?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
I'd imagine there's a lesson learned somewhere from the past 30 years re prison conditions.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
I'd imagine there's a lesson learned somewhere from the past 30 years re prison conditions.

The lesson must be if you can't get it through changing legislation by using the MP's or  MLA's then we kill people? Is that the lesson you're on about. What's next?

Or is it this, lets go back to random killing, lets get back to bombing and shooting people while they sit over a pint, that sounds much more fun, a lot of innocents getting killed.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
I'd imagine there's a lesson learned somewhere from the past 30 years re prison conditions.

The lesson must be if you can't get it through changing legislation by using the MP's or  MLA's then we kill people? Is that the lesson you're on about. What's next?

Or is it this, lets go back to random killing, lets get back to bombing and shooting people while they sit over a pint, that sounds much more fun, a lot of innocents getting killed.
No, I think the lesson to be learned that regardless of how many people (overwhelming vast majority of people) want to get on and live peaceful normal lives, there are still elements that are not happy with the current political set up, and these elements need to be dealt with in a careful manner and not underestimated.

The threat remains and the capabilities are well known. From a dissident perspective this is a successful coup - not a random killing. They've taken out a prison officer and also brought attention to the reasons behind it. This isn't an attack on the peace process it's an attack on what they (and others) perceive to be mistreatment in prisons and mistreatment of republicans, some of whom have been incarcerated under dubious circumstances.

I certainly agree this isn't the way to go about drawing attention to their plight but what it does do is highlight the authorities' incompetence - who's the first person they lift? Colin Duffy. Expect dissidents to gain more support on the back of this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2012, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: Ulick on November 03, 2012, 12:22:04 AM
the killing. It was wrong, of course it was. - Now that wasn;t too hard was it ?

Does that make me a hypocritical SF lackey? Maybe so, but at least I can be honest about, accept the tragedy of it all and let things sit as opposed to being a w**ker and using the death of a man in an attempt to score against a perceived SFer on an anonymous discussion forum.
 
So any points made against SF are "cheap, dirty, insignificant points  
Very interesting ....
at least I can't be kneecapped any more
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
I'd imagine there's a lesson learned somewhere from the past 30 years re prison conditions.

The lesson must be if you can't get it through changing legislation by using the MP's or  MLA's then we kill people? Is that the lesson you're on about. What's next?

Or is it this, lets go back to random killing, lets get back to bombing and shooting people while they sit over a pint, that sounds much more fun, a lot of innocents getting killed.
No, I think the lesson to be learned that regardless of how many people (overwhelming vast majority of people) want to get on and live peaceful normal lives, there are still elements that are not happy with the current political set up, and these elements need to be dealt with in a careful manner and not underestimated.

The threat remains and the capabilities are well known. From a dissident perspective this is a successful coup not a random killing. They've taken out a prison officer and also brought attention to the reasons behind it. This isn't an attack on the peace process it's an attack on what they (and others) perceive to be mistreatment in prisons and mistreatment of republicans, some of whom have been incarcerated under dubious circumstances.

I certainly agree this isn't the way to go about drawing attention to their plight but what it does do is highlight the authorities' incompetence - who's the first person they lift? Colin Duffy. Expect dissidents to gain more support on the back of this.

Successful? Was Omagh also successful from a dissident perspective ? How far away from another day like that. But i suppose they learned lessons from that and so it will continue until maybe they accept seats in government and then someone else takes up their batton and so it continues
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 03, 2012, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
I'd imagine there's a lesson learned somewhere from the past 30 years re prison conditions.

The lesson must be if you can't get it through changing legislation by using the MP's or  MLA's then we kill people? Is that the lesson you're on about. What's next?

Or is it this, lets go back to random killing, lets get back to bombing and shooting people while they sit over a pint, that sounds much more fun, a lot of innocents getting killed.
No, I think the lesson to be learned that regardless of how many people (overwhelming vast majority of people) want to get on and live peaceful normal lives, there are still elements that are not happy with the current political set up, and these elements need to be dealt with in a careful manner and not underestimated.

The threat remains and the capabilities are well known. From a dissident perspective this is a successful coup - not a random killing. They've taken out a prison officer and also brought attention to the reasons behind it. This isn't an attack on the peace process it's an attack on what they (and others) perceive to be mistreatment in prisons and mistreatment of republicans, some of whom have been incarcerated under dubious circumstances.

I certainly agree this isn't the way to go about drawing attention to their plight but what it does do is highlight the authorities' incompetence - who's the first person they lift? Colin Duffy. Expect dissidents to gain more support on the back of this.


I expect dissidents to be jailed, they are scumbags!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on November 04, 2012, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
I think it's unfair to suggest that the wardens are the ones who "prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up people's rear ends on an hourly basis". I know as a man at the bottom of my work pyramid I don't make the rules. I do what I'm told.  The man murdered had a job, which cannot be underestimated in today's world. He got up daily and went to work, maybe to support a family.

He was an easy target for some sub human elements and no amount of justification or "perspective" will change that.
If he was prepared to carry out those orders (choice or not) then he's the one who's going to bear the brunt of the reactive consequences,  unfortunately not the ones who gave him the orders to use these 'questionable' methods against prisoners. That's the way of things.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 04, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2012, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
I think it's unfair to suggest that the wardens are the ones who "prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up people's rear ends on an hourly basis". I know as a man at the bottom of my work pyramid I don't make the rules. I do what I'm told.  The man murdered had a job, which cannot be underestimated in today's world. He got up daily and went to work, maybe to support a family.

He was an easy target for some sub human elements and no amount of justification or "perspective" will change that.
If he was prepared to carry out those orders (choice or not) then he's the one who's going to bear the brunt of the reactive consequences,  unfortunately not the ones who gave him the orders to use these 'questionable' methods against prisoners. That's the way of things.
Convicted child abusers and suspected child abusers locked up because it's feared they may be planning to abuse more children. Child abusers subjected to intimate body searches because in the past they have planned the abuse of more children by smuggling in messages from outside in bodily orifices. Other child abusers target prison officers because they carry out these searches. GAA board posters describe the actions of the child abusers as simply the 'reactive consequences' of the prison regime.  ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 04, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
What a load of nonsense you talk. The simple straightforward fact of the matter is you reap what you sew. If you treat people as subhuman you can't cry with indignation when they carry out subhuman acts. No other prisoners are subjected to the same strip search procedures. The other prisoners can have drugs etc smuggled in at will. The strip searching is only carried out on republican prisoners a lot of whom have been convicted of nothing. It's supposed to be a civilized society and the treatment of prisoners should be humane in such a society. You can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on November 04, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
I just spent the last hour reading over the posts from the last few days and there have been some stupid posts... First of Lurgan should be Nuked!!! That twat knows nothing about Lurgan so don't comment on something you know nothing about. EG who tries to tries to get ULICK to condone a killing but can't condone one himself...not to mention the few who just want to wing up ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: balladmaker on November 04, 2012, 08:34:02 PM
What's the cut off for either charging or releasing the two arrested on Friday?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Gs Man on November 04, 2012, 08:40:05 PM
Both of them are out.

Our club got a doing over this morning over the head of it all. Windows broken, paint all over the place, sectarian slogans on the walls. And we're three miles outside Lurgan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on November 04, 2012, 08:34:02 PM
What's the cut off for either charging or releasing the two arrested on Friday?

There are boys in there for months without any charge so take a guess at anything
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 04, 2012, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 04, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
What a load of nonsense you talk. The simple straightforward fact of the matter is you reap what you sew. If you treat people as subhuman you can't cry with indignation when they carry out subhuman acts. No other prisoners are subjected to the same strip search procedures. The other prisoners can have drugs etc smuggled in at will. The strip searching is only carried out on republican prisoners a lot of whom have been convicted of nothing. It's supposed to be a civilized society and the treatment of prisoners should be humane in such a society. You can't have it both ways.

Of all the disgusting comments on this thread - and there are quite a few- that is the worst by a mile.

It is sickening read the fact that you have basically rationalised this act. It is a worrying society when people think like that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on November 05, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
Such a dangerous thing these days to attempt to rationalize a human act.
Some people (not willing to stretch their brains) confuse such an attempt at rationality with making excuses or condoning the same human act.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on November 05, 2012, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: The Gs Man on November 04, 2012, 08:40:05 PM
Both of them are out.

Our club got a doing over this morning over the head of it all. Windows broken, paint all over the place, sectarian slogans on the walls. And we're three miles outside Lurgan.

Seriously??? never heard anything this morning...BTW is that WT club your talking about?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 05, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 04, 2012, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 04, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
What a load of nonsense you talk. The simple straightforward fact of the matter is you reap what you sew. If you treat people as subhuman you can't cry with indignation when they carry out subhuman acts. No other prisoners are subjected to the same strip search procedures. The other prisoners can have drugs etc smuggled in at will. The strip searching is only carried out on republican prisoners a lot of whom have been convicted of nothing. It's supposed to be a civilized society and the treatment of prisoners should be humane in such a society. You can't have it both ways.

Of all the disgusting comments on this thread - and there are quite a few- that is the worst by a mile.

It is sickening read the fact that you have basically rationalised this act. It is a worrying society when people think like that.

Surely the reasons behind these acts have to be discussed, it is folly to bury the head in the sand and pretend we live in a peace process utopia when that is clearly not the case. Someone on here has called for the nuking of a town of 23,000 people yet you find my comment more disgusting. It seems no one is allowed to express an opinion these days unless it ties in with the status quo.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 05, 2012, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 04, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
What a load of nonsense you talk. The simple straightforward fact of the matter is you reap what you sew. If you treat people as subhuman you can't cry with indignation when they carry out subhuman acts. No other prisoners are subjected to the same strip search procedures. The other prisoners can have drugs etc smuggled in at will. The strip searching is only carried out on republican prisoners a lot of whom have been convicted of nothing. It's supposed to be a civilized society and the treatment of prisoners should be humane in such a society. You can't have it both ways.

Contemptible. Justifying murder and the knuckle-dragging republican fundamentalists' latest attempt to reignite the Troubles.  There's no justification for an act like this. End of.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 05, 2012, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 05, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Surely the reasons behind these acts have to be discussed, it is folly to bury the head in the sand and pretend we live in a peace process utopia when that is clearly not the case. Someone on here has called for the nuking of a town of 23,000 people yet you find my comment more disgusting. It seems no one is allowed to express an opinion these days unless it ties in with the status quo.

I don't think your man really meant that Lurgan should be hit by a nuclear weapon now, do you?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 05, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
People are on this board twisting about events which will continue to happen on this Island as long as the british have control of the 6 counties. If you go back thru the History of Ireland you will see that there were always periods of calm (usually about 100yrs) and then the whole thing would take of again.
The way I see it is that we are in a period of calm because the british government have been throwing money out left right and centre for the last decade to keep it this way. How long this lasts is anyone guess but as sure as the sun sets the war will erupt again unless the brits pack their bags and go home.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2012, 05:03:55 PM
McGuiness has been told the family doesent want anyone from SF at the funeral.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: camanchero on November 05, 2012, 05:13:59 PM
not going to trawl back over the last number of pages to find if there was any answer ( I did look back on the last three) - but has any 'reason' been given for killing mr black?

I know in the past prison warders were killed for being 'too fond' and 'too enthusiastic' in doing their 'job' (body cavity searches, torture etc) but I would have thought this kind of thing no longer went on ?

one of my best friends is a prison warder so I may or may not get info from him - but I'd be worried about him if this is kicking off again - and he has enough hassle watching his back from his own peers !
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 05, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
What a load of shite. Making excuses for the people who murdered a guy for doing his job?

There is NO excuse for murder ... end of story! I can't understand how there has been so much debate around this. Whoever did this is scum of the lowest order and deserve all that's coming to them!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on November 05, 2012, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 05, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
People are on this board twisting about events which will continue to happen on this Island as long as the british have control of the 6 counties. If you go back thru the History of Ireland you will see that there were always periods of calm (usually about 100yrs) and then the whole thing would take of again.
The way I see it is that we are in a period of calm because the british government have been throwing money out left right and centre for the last decade to keep it this way. How long this lasts is anyone guess but as sure as the sun sets the war will erupt again unless the brits pack their bags and go home.
All 1 million of them?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2012, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 05, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 04, 2012, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 04, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
What a load of nonsense you talk. The simple straightforward fact of the matter is you reap what you sew. If you treat people as subhuman you can't cry with indignation when they carry out subhuman acts. No other prisoners are subjected to the same strip search procedures. The other prisoners can have drugs etc smuggled in at will. The strip searching is only carried out on republican prisoners a lot of whom have been convicted of nothing. It's supposed to be a civilized society and the treatment of prisoners should be humane in such a society. You can't have it both ways.

Of all the disgusting comments on this thread - and there are quite a few- that is the worst by a mile.

It is sickening read the fact that you have basically rationalised this act. It is a worrying society when people think like that.

Surely the reasons behind these acts have to be discussed, it is folly to bury the head in the sand and pretend we live in a peace process utopia when that is clearly not the case. Someone on here has called for the nuking of a town of 23,000 people yet you find my comment more disgusting. It seems no one is allowed to express an opinion these days unless it ties in with the status quo.
;D Duck and cover.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: CitySlicker11 on November 05, 2012, 06:54:27 PM
To those out there that consider themselves Nationalists, what day to day activities do you carry out to achieve your goal?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 05, 2012, 08:06:29 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on November 05, 2012, 06:54:27 PM
To those out there that consider themselves Nationalists, what day to day activities do you carry out to achieve your goal?
I don't kill my Protestant / unionist / British neighbours. This, I've found, adds credibility to my argument that they've nothing to fear in a reunited Ireland. (it also keeps me out of jail and helps me avoid being strip searched, which I'm not fond of, on account of the oul' John Giles  ;))
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Gs Man on November 05, 2012, 09:28:07 PM
Quote from: illdecide on November 05, 2012, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: The Gs Man on November 04, 2012, 08:40:05 PM
Both of them are out.

Our club got a doing over this morning over the head of it all. Windows broken, paint all over the place, sectarian slogans on the walls. And we're three miles outside Lurgan.

Seriously??? never heard anything this morning...BTW is that WT club your talking about?

Aghagallon
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 06, 2012, 12:07:06 AM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on November 05, 2012, 06:54:27 PM
To those out there that consider themselves Nationalists, what day to day activities do you carry out to achieve your goal?

Lobbying to make the GAA, and by extension Irish culture, more accessible to people who don't traditionally come from that kind of background.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 06, 2012, 09:34:53 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 06, 2012, 12:07:06 AM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on November 05, 2012, 06:54:27 PM
To those out there that consider themselves Nationalists, what day to day activities do you carry out to achieve your goal?

Lobbying to make the GAA, and by extension Irish culture, more accessible to people who don't traditionally come from that kind of background.

Keep up the good work
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rois on November 06, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
I have never heard of people who wanted to show solidarity and sympathy with a grieving family be turned down.  I'm not a republican so my my opinions are not linked to politics, but unchristian was my initial thought and I can't apologise for it now, despite being demonised for it by screenexile. 

My friend in work was murdered by her husband about two years ago.  Her family welcomed and appreciated the support and sympathy from his family.  Those are the lines I'm thinking along. 

(perhaps my naive assumption is that the motives for wanting to go to the funeral are Christian rather than political themselves) 

 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on November 06, 2012, 12:00:26 PM
Surely with them being a big Orange family they wouldnt be 'allowed' to have Catholics attending the funeral anyway?
or have I missed something

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of any attedance/ invitation accepted or declined
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: camanchero on November 06, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 06, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
I have never heard of people who wanted to show solidarity and sympathy with a grieving family be turned down.  I'm not a republican so my my opinions are not linked to politics, but unchristian was my initial thought and I can't apologise for it now, despite being demonised for it by screenexile. 

My friend in work was murdered by her husband about two years ago.  Her family welcomed and appreciated the support and sympathy from his family.  Those are the lines I'm thinking along. 

(perhaps my naive assumption is that the motives for wanting to go to the funeral are Christian rather than political themselves) 
I'd agree with your point Rois.

I think I also see what Glens abu also means.
though the debate between he and others seems to have taken a more aggressive tone due to misunderstanding.
I'd have thought that a Catholic/SF politician other than McGuinness could have attended the funeral if McGuinness wasnt welcome.
SF didnt kill mr black. Most (nearly all) republicans are not in favour of the dissidents and their actions.
I still have yet to hear what the reason/motive was to kill mr black - was it an indiscriminate killing or as some have hinted in earlier pages (I think) was it maybe a reaction to his actions as a prison guard towards certan prisoners?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 06, 2012, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 06, 2012, 12:00:26 PM
Surely with them being a big Orange family they wouldnt be 'allowed' to have Catholics attending the funeral anyway?
or have I missed something

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of any attedance/ invitation accepted or declined
Missed the point Orangemen cannot attend a Catholic Mass but nothing to stop Catholics attending an Orangemans funeral.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 06, 2012, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: Tonto on November 06, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
Mr McGuinness accepted the families wishes.  He showed a certain level of class in doing so without a fuss. 
Indeed, and class is something that has been lacking on a number of posts here today.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bennydorano on November 06, 2012, 05:58:00 PM
Well said Tonto.  Some people really need to wise the f**k up, such a nonsensical pitiful side argument to be having.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Worker on November 06, 2012, 06:24:29 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 06, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
I have never heard of people who wanted to show solidarity and sympathy with a grieving family be turned down.  I'm not a republican so my my opinions are not linked to politics, but unchristian was my initial thought and I can't apologise for it now, despite being demonised for it by screenexile. 

My friend in work was murdered by her husband about two years ago.  Her family welcomed and appreciated the support and sympathy from his family.  Those are the lines I'm thinking along. 

(perhaps my naive assumption is that the motives for wanting to go to the funeral are Christian rather than political themselves) 



Good post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: J OGorman on November 06, 2012, 08:31:55 PM
question for Ulick, Glens Abu, Nally Stand et al....(heaven forbid) a family member in your household, be it a grown up son / daughter. Your mother / father, brother / sister is brutally murdered by a loyalist mob. Would you welcome Peter Robinson  / Ian Paisley to the funeral?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 06, 2012, 08:48:59 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on November 06, 2012, 08:31:55 PM
question for Ulick, Glens Abu, Nally Stand et al....(heaven forbid) a family member in your household, be it a grown up son / daughter. Your mother / father, brother / sister is brutally murdered by a loyalist mob. Would you welcome Peter Robinson  / Ian Paisley to the funeral?

If he asked to come Yes with open arms
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 06, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
Yes, but important to note just how few posters are out of step with the thinking of the rest.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: All of a Sludden on November 06, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Has any group claimed responsibility for this murder yet?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 06, 2012, 10:38:42 PM
I don't agree that this thread should be closed. I think it's good that people on here can see the level of hatred and bigotry that some people from within the nationalist / republican community are capable of. Bit of an eye opener for a few.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tubberman on November 07, 2012, 12:35:26 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 06, 2012, 10:38:42 PM
I don't agree that this thread should be closed. I think it's good that people on here can see the level of hatred and bigotry that some people from within the nationalist / republican community are capable of. Bit of an eye opener for a few.

It certainly has. A depressing one as well. Thankfully I've never come across people with that viewpoint in the 'real world'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nifan on November 07, 2012, 10:35:02 AM
QuoteMourners yesterday included the First Minister Peter Robinson and leading members of the SDLP, UUP, DUP, Secretary of State Theresa Villiers, Shadow Secretary of State Vernon Coaker, the Republic's Justice Minister Alan Shatter with Stormont Justice Minister David Ford and senior prison officers from England, Scotland and the Republic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: camanchero on November 07, 2012, 12:22:23 PM
why could sf not send a different rep - if McGuinness was unpalatable for the black family?

wouldnt have thought religion would have mattered to people going to attend a funeral - I suppose you have to credit sf for at least asking rather than have mcguinness turn up and annoy the family.
sf conspicuous by their absence at the funeral. it give rise to the old dup/oo chestnut that sf are indeed the IRA etc - when clearly they are not (though some ex IRA are in the organisation).

After having asked twice on here already , I take it that no reasons have come up about why mr black was killed? Was it a random selection of a prison warder - are all prison warders now at risk again?
practically all republicans apart from those supporting the dissident faction, are against this killing - including the named and maligned posters on this thread (from what I am reading).

Ok so there are a few banged up in prison that may not deserve to be there, but dont think that is a reason to go postal on prison warders. Even if mr black was part of the murky practices of the past, the GFA and road to reunification was supposed to wipe the slate clean of all this - I know that I have and there were many relations of my own tortured and physically abused in prisons around the six counties. Thats over and forgotton - but maybe not by the fecking dissidents ...though I think that one or a few of them had an old score to settle with the unfortunate mr black rather than open season being declared on prison guards.
yez are agruing about nothing imo. everyone on here is against the mans killing.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 07, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I personally believe that if they had let MMG, as an elected politician go to the funeral it would have been a bigger gesture and would have shown the intent to try and move away from the past. Of course they had the right to ask him not to attend, that's they're decision. The fact that I believe it wasn't the right thing to do doesn't make me a bigot no matter the comments that some people on here wish to throw out. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 07, 2012, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 06, 2012, 10:38:42 PM
I don't agree that this thread should be closed. I think it's good that people on here can see the level of hatred and bigotry that some people from within the nationalist / republican community are capable of. Bit of an eye opener for a few.
The bigotry is from both sides. I don't care what Mr Black did for a living, he did not deserve to die as he did end of story. No cause is worth a life. But there is an abject failure by those of a unionist bent to recognise that hurt, killings, torture and the troubles were not solely the fault of one community and that the relative peace we have today could only have been delivered from the inside by the likes of Adams and McGuinness. The refusal of the Black family to accept the hand of friendship from SF is understandable but unfortunately a product of the unionist communities failure to accept any blame for our troubles stretching back over the last 200 odd years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nifan on November 07, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
QuoteBut there is an abject failure by those of a unionist bent to recognise that hurt, killings, torture and the troubles were not solely the fault of one community

I dont know anyone who thinks this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 07, 2012, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: oisinog on November 07, 2012, 04:11:29 PM
Some people on here are single minded an think that there is still a war going on.

Although used here in a different context, that is the cornerstone of the issue. The thread has taken an unfortunate twist and I certainly wouldn't be commenting on any family in that situation. Let's please try and get away from that.

There are people who want a war to continue. Those that carried out the murder would be in that category. That's not something new or something we didn't know. The depressing thing, for me at least, is the mistakes being made by 'the authorities' in giving fuel to this fire. Even last night that cretin David Ford (a man hopelessly out of his depth) was being interviewed on BBC and coming out with 'there will be no compromise to conditions' blah blah blah.

He was an inch away from Thatcher's 'crime is crime is crime' mantra. The policy of criminalisation did not work then and it won't work now. Moreover yer man Spratt was on from the prison wardens association basically saying that these prisoners are demanding the place be run like it was before i.e. when OC's ran the wings and cooperated with staff. Like it or like it not, wtf do you expect from people with these beliefs? If this is a row about political status, then that is very very depressing. Those comments would suggest to me that there is an element within the prison service or NIO or whatever trying to win the war they already lost in terms of prisons.

There's a smart way to deal with these people and there's the path the 'authorities' are currently on. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If Thatcher failed, what chance David Ford et al?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 07, 2012, 04:56:35 PM
Not to mention 1916.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 07, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2012, 04:56:35 PM
Not to mention 1916.

Not sure how that's remotely relevant but if you see it as witty, then reach round and pat yourself on the back
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 07, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
Broaden your narrow little mind buckeen --
I'll explain --
1916 a crowd of lads who hadn't much support ..... Brits came the heavy...... executed leaders...  I take it you know the rest  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 07, 2012, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2012, 03:20:36 PMThe bigotry is from both sides. I don't care what Mr Black did for a living, he did not deserve to die as he did end of story. No cause is worth a life. But there is an abject failure by those of a unionist bent to recognise that hurt, killings, torture and the troubles were not solely the fault of one community and that the relative peace we have today could only have been delivered from the inside by the likes of Adams and McGuinness. The refusal of the Black family to accept the hand of friendship from SF is understandable but unfortunately a product of the unionist communities failure to accept any blame for our troubles stretching back over the last 200 odd years.
This [bold] is the second* time you have sought to portray the Black family action over McGuinness as being somehow representative of the Unionist community as a whole.

In fact, they are no more or less so representative than eg Gordon and Joan Wilson, another family bereaved in a Republican atrocity (Enniskillen) .

If you want to know what Unionists think about "moving on" or "extending the hand of friendship" etc, you would be better advised to look at the overwhelming support which Unionists gave to the GFA, as well as the part their political representatives have played in power-sharing at Stormont in the years since.




* - "It is of course the Black families right to refuse SF reps at the funeral but it is hardly a sign that the unionist community is moving forward. Quite the reverse it would confirm my suspicion that the unionist community will only move on their own terms"
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: arsecandle on November 07, 2012, 05:48:55 PM
so let me get this straight.dissident republicans carry out a murder on a prison officer but the real victim in all of this is sinn fein?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?

Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2012, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?

Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.

Now that was a decent post, not that you need me to say that.

Remember I am against the constant strip searches that allegedly go on, if they have a machine that can do it then they should be using it. Remand prisoners should have different treatment until it's decided if they are guilty or released. But killing people as you said is pointless, and if they didn't want Martin at the funeral it was up to them and really should have been left at that,  really not a big story.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2012, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?

Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.

Now that was a decent post, not that you need me to say that.

Remember I am against the constant strip searches that allegedly go on, if they have a machine that can do it then they should be using it. Remand prisoners should have different treatment until it's decided if they are guilty or released. But killing people as you said is pointless, and if they didn't want Martin at the funeral it was up to them and really should have been left at that,  really not a big story.

Cheers Milltown and take your point.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 08, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?

Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.

Did they though?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 08, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?

Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.

Did they though?

Well I can only speak from my own experience and I would say Yes,dont think they could have carried on the campaign at such high level of intensity if they hadn't got that support.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on November 08, 2012, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 08, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 07, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Nally Stand/Glens Abu - Do you see the dissidents as Republicans ?

Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.

Did they though?

The support would have declined in latter years but in through the 70's and early 80's there would have been a lot of tacit support in the Nationalist community.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 08, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
To be clear again, if any of my posts give the impression of condoning this murder or painting the Black family as bigots that was not the intention. There hurt is real and the murder unforgivable.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 08, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
People are full of contradictions
My opinion is that during the most of the 20th century very high number of nationalists understood (though many possibly wouldnt like to admit it even to themselves at times) the reasons why some republicans took part in armed struggle, so whilst they may not have supported the result of that struggle (the maiming and killing of civilians and armed forces) because their conscience wouldnt let them, they still understood (remember...at a hidden level) why some seen it as a solution because there wasn't alot of fantastic options out there at the time due to the blatent intrangagence of those in power. Supporting political republicanism post the GFA was an easier decision to make. The results at the ballot box has borne that out.

We have moved on in a large way from the way things were and its important that this society doesn't look for justificfation for deeds such as this one.   
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 08, 2012, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 08, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
People are full of contradictions
My opinion is that during the most of the 20th century very high number of nationalists understood (though many possibly wouldnt like to admit it even to themselves at times) the reasons why some republicans took part in armed struggle, so whilst they may not have supported the result of that struggle (the maiming and killing of civilians and armed forces) because their conscience wouldnt let them, they still understood (remember...at a hidden level) why some seen it as a solution because there wasn't alot of fantastic options out there at the time due to the blatent intrangagence of those in power. Supporting political republicanism post the GFA was an easier decision to make. The results at the ballot box has borne that out.

We have moved on in a large way from the way things were and its important that this society doesn't look for justificfation for deeds such as this one.

but anyone even attempting to debate it or possible reasons why it happened were venomously accused of justifying it and condoning it. political analysts on the BBC and utv outlined potential reasons why it happened, would people accuse them of justifying it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 08, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.
'Pockets' of support would probably be more precise. If by 'their community' you mean the broader Catholic or nationalist community, then the vast majority were opposed to their campaign.

Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.
The IRA could have settled for a deal along the lines of the GFA long before 1998... the principle of consent on the constitutional issue was acknowledged by British governments long before the GFA.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on November 08, 2012, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 08, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 08, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 08, 2012, 02:31:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
That's alright from your point of view, just with most on here they were and are a bit dismayed at the preconceived ideas of, he's an orangeman and a prison officer that means his family must be bigots!!

I'm saying and I can't speak for the rest is, let them have whatever funeral they want, Martin didn't make as much fuss about it as some on here did, and he wasn't heard calling them bigots either. Some people move on in life and accept things have changed and others don't, at the minute we have a small minority of people who do want to stay in the past. Lets work together so we don't end up in a place that was, looking back, horrible and full of hate



fair point man but its a two way street, i honestly believe most unionists see it as they won and can do what they like. coat trailing marches, burning our national flag and gaa flags etc on their bonfire. all that shit needs to stop to show a genuine want for peace. it cannot come with a price tag of inequality.
I'd imagine if you looked at the lives/communities of those unionists burning flags on bonfires... well you wouldn't conclude that they'd won anything.

I dont need to imagine that i live near Banbridge which is largley a middle class unionist town, still seen the our national flag and Down flags and indeed vatican flags on their bonfire as i was driving past. dont start with the socially disadvantaged bullshit. there is plenty of money pumped into loyalist areas, its just andre gave it all to paddy power. sure the UDA could contribute some of their drug money back.
Seems to me you are putting a lot of significance in relation to what fleg is on top of a loyalist bonfire?  Surely, Union flags, Ulster banners etc are also burnt on top of bonfires for internment etc.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 08, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Well for me I know plenty who desist from Sinn Feins Republicanism who I would call Republican as Sinn Fein don't have a monopoly on Republicanism.If your talking about the dissidents who bombed Omagh or shot Mr.Black I don't know them and they my well be Republican but what I do believe is that they are wrong in what they are doing.The IRA fought a war for over 30 years with popular support from within their community,with all the latest weaponry and very experienced operaters but still couldn't beat the Brits.
'Pockets' of support would probably be more precise. If by 'their community' you mean the broader Catholic or nationalist community, then the vast majority were opposed to their campaign.

Quote from: glens abu on November 08, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
They settled for the best deal they could get[GFA] and decided to continue the fight for Irish Unity by political means only.I therefore cannot see how the dissidents  killing people at Omagh,Masserene or anywhere else will get them anything more than the IRA got.I therefore believe that these people are just killing  for the sake of killing  so would find it very hard to describe them as Republican.
The IRA could have settled for a deal along the lines of the GFA long before 1998... the principle of consent on the constitutional issue was acknowledged by British governments long before the GFA.

Disagree on both your points but sure thats what having an opinion is about and I was asked mine.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dillinger on November 08, 2012, 08:29:29 PM
As a Unionist it dosn't bother me what flags are burnt on interment bonfires.
After all these years it's all a bit meh what either side put on top of them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 08, 2012, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: dillinger on November 08, 2012, 08:29:29 PM
As a Unionist it dosn't bother me what flags are burnt on interment bonfires.
After all these years it's all a bit meh what either side put on top of them.

If they stopped burning them, as much as you say it doesn't bother you, would you not be heartened by the fact that those people have moved on?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dillinger on November 09, 2012, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on November 08, 2012, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: dillinger on November 08, 2012, 08:29:29 PM
As a Unionist it dosn't bother me what flags are burnt on interment bonfires.
After all these years it's all a bit meh what either side put on top of them.

If they stopped burning them, as much as you say it doesn't bother you, would you not be heartened by the fact that those people have moved on?
Wouldn't miss them at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trasna man on November 09, 2012, 02:03:53 PM

The Londonderry family of a remand prisoner at Maghaberry jail has claimed his wrist has been broken in a struggle with prison staff.

43-year-old Tony Taylor has been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life last year.

His sister claimed prison staff became violent towards her brother when he asked for documents ahead of a court appearance in Londonderry.

Joanne Starrs claimed tensions are running high in Maghaberry.

"When I spoke to him on Thursday, Tony told me the prison staff are punching them and spitting on their food in front of them before they eat it.

"He said the tension is terrible in the prison at the moment."

Ms Starrs said the tensions came to a head as her brother was preparing to go to court for a remand hearing.

"On the way out to the van to go to the court hearing he asked for his papers and was told he wasn't getting them.

"Tony said he was entitled to them and asked the prison officer to go and ask the governor for them.

Continue reading the main story
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Start Quote
He said the tension is terrible in the prison at the moment"
End Quote
Joanne Starrs

Sister of prisoner
"When he came back, he said the governor told him he wasn't getting them and a member of the prison staff bounced Tony's head off the side of the van.

"Then he put his hand on the back of his head and pushed it down on a bar.

"The riot squad came out and kicked Tony in the face and stood on his hand.

"He didn't get any treatment until Thursday night when it was confirmed that his wrist was broken and he also has injuries to his thumb and back.

Ms Starrs also claimed that while he was being beaten he was called a criminal by prison officers, and an official complaint has to made to prison authorities.

The Prison Service have issued the following statement: "The Governor is investigating an incident in a prison service van at Maghaberry Prison yesterday morning, (Thursday) involving a prisoner who was about to leave for court. One Prisoner Custody Officer received hospital treatment following the incident."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 09, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
That the government actually funds some of these 'events' is beyond me, if you tried that shit in the States and tried to burn an American flag you would be arrested and put away for a while.

The psni are completely and utterly inept, plus they don't give a shit.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 09, 2012, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: stew on November 09, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
That the government actually funds some of these 'events' is beyond me, if you tried that shit in the States and tried to burn an American flag you would be arrested and put away for a while.

The psni are completely and utterly inept, plus they don't give a shit.

nail on the head. just look at the way they handle the parade issues, talking through a loud speaker telling loyalists they are breaching determinations, yet beating people of the road in Ardoyne to force marches through. I'm sure many young nationalists join to genuinely try and make a difference but its rotten at the top.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dillinger on November 09, 2012, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: stew on November 09, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
That the government actually funds some of these 'events' is beyond me, if you tried that shit in the States and tried to burn an American flag you would be arrested and put away for a while.

The psni are completely and utterly inept, plus they don't give a shit.
Are you saying the P.S.N.I. should step in to stop the burning of the Union flag?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 10, 2012, 10:56:15 AM
Quote from: stew on November 09, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
That the government actually funds some of these 'events' is beyond me, if you tried that shit in the States and tried to burn an American flag you would be arrested and put away for a while.

The psni are completely and utterly inept, plus they don't give a shit.

That is incorrect... The first amendment means it is unconstitutional for a Government to prohibit the desecration of a flag as it is tantamount to free speech!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: randomtask on November 11, 2012, 01:35:12 AM
In relation to tensions inside the prison, i was thinking about all these protests and the publicity around the strip searches. Would it not make sense for some group to say raise a million pounds or receive large donations from a number of nationalist parties. Buy a few of these seat scanner yokes and "donate"them to the prison service after making a large media hullabaloo about how this should solve the problem. If the prison service didn't accept them there would be outrage, it would be backing them into a corner with two clear options. Either end the feud or openly show that they don't want the feud with republican prisoners to end. I cant see how any nationalist/republican group would be against this peaceful fund raising scheme. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on November 11, 2012, 01:56:51 AM
The prison service already have these chairs, they refuse to use them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 12, 2012, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

https://twitter.com/mcclean23 (https://twitter.com/mcclean23)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 12, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
For the record  --
Well done James McClean.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!

Not going to rehearse the Black argument again,but McClean comes from a city that had many of its population murdered by British Army so can understand why he doesn't want to show his support for them,it would be like asking the people of Liverpool to wear a badge supporting the West Midlands police.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!

Not going to rehearse the Black argument again,but McClean comes from a city that had many of its population murdered by British Army so can understand why he doesn't want to show his support for them,it would be like asking the people of Liverpool to wear a badge supporting the West Midlands police.

The Black family come from a community that had many murdered by the IRA. . . why then would you expect them to let a self confessed IRA member attend a family funeral!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!

Not going to rehearse the Black argument again,but McClean comes from a city that had many of its population murdered by British Army so can understand why he doesn't want to show his support for them,it would be like asking the people of Liverpool to wear a badge supporting the West Midlands police.

The Black family come from a community that had many murdered by the IRA. . . why then would you expect them to let a self confessed IRA member attend a family funeral!

No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
The Black family come from a community that had many murdered by the IRA. . . why then would you expect them to let a self confessed IRA member attend a family funeral!
jeez man - I'd have thought that it was evident enough that mcguinness was now a state supporter. However maybe people still view him as just another IRA man - funny in a way as a lot of republicans would see him as a traitor - so despised by a lot of both sides....the man cant win !!

also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.

While I have not heard any particular reason for his killing, it seems that revenge given Mr Black's past could have very well been the motivation.
Still wrong - all pre GFA stuff is supposed to be wiped clean. The dissidents need to start taking this into account and stop stirring things up - then again that may be their objective.
they are getting more recruits because of this and because of the ruc behaviour of psni officers in certain areas (and behaviour of some prison guards in various prisons).
will people ever fecking learn.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on November 12, 2012, 12:57:57 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!

Not going to rehearse the Black argument again,but McClean comes from a city that had many of its population murdered by British Army so can understand why he doesn't want to show his support for them,it would be like asking the people of Liverpool to wear a badge supporting the West Midlands police.

The Black family come from a community that had many murdered by the IRA. . . why then would you expect them to let a self confessed IRA member attend a family funeral!

I made no comment or reference to the other side issue which was brought into this merely pointed out the contradiction in your point above relating to McClean.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2012, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.

Are they bigots if these politicians went? It's a strange one alright!!

Anyways the sooner they sort out this the better. Anymore word on how the prisoners are getting on? How many republican prisoners are there at the minute in jail? Are the loyalist getting the same treatment?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: All of a Sludden on November 12, 2012, 09:32:53 PM



"On Thursday, 1st of November, 2012, an active service unit of the IRA executed prison guard David Black.

"While the IRA never takes this type of action lightly, the IRA has a responsibility to protect and defend republican POWs.

"This action was in direct response to the torture and degradation of POWs held in Maghaberry.

"The issues that led to the IRA taking action might have been avoided if his 'superiors' had honoured the agreement they signed with prisoners in August 2010."

"Rather than showing the leadership necessary to resolve the protest in Maghaberry they continue to play politics with the lives of republican POWs and indeed their own guards and PCOs.

"Similarly, the charade of hypocritical condemnation from the local political classes does nothing to resolve the issues created by their inactions."

http://republican-news.org/current/news/2012/11/statement_claims_responsibilit.html
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 12, 2012, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2012, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.

Are they bigots if these politicians went? It's a strange one alright!!

Anyways the sooner they sort out this the better. Anymore word on how the prisoners are getting on? How many republican prisoners are there at the minute in jail? Are the loyalist getting the same treatment?

think there is 40 or so , on protest anyway. sure all the loyalists are out in the community selling drugs with community worker titles. on the issue of the funeral, a straw poll off say 1000 unionists on whether they would want a sf minister at their funeral. i reckon most would say no, a lot of them pay lip service to peace. as i ave said before they see it as victory.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 12, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2012, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.

Are they bigots if these politicians went? It's a strange one alright!!

Anyways the sooner they sort out this the better. Anymore word on how the prisoners are getting on? How many republican prisoners are there at the minute in jail? Are the loyalist getting the same treatment?

There are 41 Republican prisoners. They don't wash or shave in protest of the way they get ill treated and searched by force when an agreement was signed to do away with such inhumane treatment.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dillinger on November 12, 2012, 09:40:22 PM
Well here's a straw poll of one, i would not object to one going to mine.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 12, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 12, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2012, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.

Are they bigots if these politicians went? It's a strange one alright!!

Anyways the sooner they sort out this the better. Anymore word on how the prisoners are getting on? How many republican prisoners are there at the minute in jail? Are the loyalist getting the same treatment?

There are 41 Republican prisoners. They don't wash or shave in protest of the way they get ill treated and searched by force when an agreement was signed to do away with such inhumane treatment.

is it true the machines to carry out x ray type searches have been purchased and all but that screws are refusing to operate them?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 12, 2012, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: dillinger on November 12, 2012, 09:40:22 PM
Well here's a straw poll of one, i would not object to one going to mine.

fair dues, just 998 to go.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 12, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 12, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 12, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2012, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.

Are they bigots if these politicians went? It's a strange one alright!!

Anyways the sooner they sort out this the better. Anymore word on how the prisoners are getting on? How many republican prisoners are there at the minute in jail? Are the loyalist getting the same treatment?

There are 41 Republican prisoners. They don't wash or shave in protest of the way they get ill treated and searched by force when an agreement was signed to do away with such inhumane treatment.

is it true the machines to carry out x ray type searches have been purchased and all but that screws are refusing to operate them?

Yeah the BOSS chairs are in place
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 12, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!

Not going to rehearse the Black argument again,but McClean comes from a city that had many of its population murdered by British Army so can understand why he doesn't want to show his support for them,it would be like asking the people of Liverpool to wear a badge supporting the West Midlands police.

The Black family come from a community that had many murdered by the IRA. . . why then would you expect them to let a self confessed IRA member attend a family funeral!

No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

Your post reminds me of gregory campbell on question time one year. When asked if the british army should apologise for bloody sunday he responded that they shouldn't because the ira doesn't.

How he equated the two first of all was astounding and second of all it was astounding he wasn't taken to town on it.

I agree with what mclean did but your point 1 there is ridiculous and nothing to do with anything on this topic.

The orange order is engrained in a lot of people's culture/ upbringing. I have no doubt that it is a very bigoted organisation however i do not believe everyone in it is bigoted. It's a big generalisation to jump too that evryone in it is bigoted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 12, 2012, 10:32:15 PM
That's rather bizzarre - by that kind of thinking you could deduce that not everyone in the IRA was into militant action!!
The oo by its nature, 'culture' and being is a bigoted sectarian organization and only if they admit toddlers could its membership contain such unwitting personnel!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 12, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
It's not bizarre at all...

I resent what they stand for don't get me wrong but i think it's a sweeping generalisation to think absolutely everyone in it is a complete bigot. Families etc have more than likely got engrained in the culture.  I know people who would be involved in it and are not bigots.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 12, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
Fair enough - but I'd say ' not openly' might qualify that.
Otherwise these people are oblivious or don't want to accept what the oo actually stands for - otherwise ordinary decent people wouldn't be in to - but thats my opinion.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 12, 2012, 11:06:37 PM
The ones i know are not bigots. Some people get brought up in a culture which they never question would be my thoughts on it.

The questioning on whether these people are bigots when no one knows anything about them and making comparisons between british army still killing people and ira not and the like by some people on this thread is ridiculous.


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 12, 2012, 11:14:46 PM
Honestly - could someone be in the oo, Kkk or IRA and claim not to know what kind of organization they were in?!?!
Personally I don't accept anyone can deny this.
If someone was decent and not bigoted then they wouldn't be in the oo, kkk or IRA etc
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:42:19 PM
Have to agree with imtommygunn on this one.

Many on here would label themselves Catholic ... Does that mean they don't believe in sex before marriage? They've never used contraception?

Its something you're born into and to tar them all as bigots is an unfair generalisation!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 13, 2012, 08:25:38 AM
A comparison with a religion is incorrect here.
No one is stating that COI or Anglican etc religions are inherently
Flawed or bigoted etc so being a member from birth is of no consequence ( I'm sure Presbos or the continuity Presbos are too but sometimes you'd wonder! ;) ).

It's organizations that you 'join' and become a member of that I question.
If you decide to join the oo, KKK , IRA etc - you surely must know the ethos , or soon learn about it and agree with it if you stay a member?
If you don't agree with the ethos and remain a member then you are lying to that org and are still supporting their inhumane desires by being a member and not speaking out against them!
??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 13, 2012, 08:25:38 AM
A comparison with a religion is incorrect here.
No one is stating that COI or Anglican etc religions are inherently
Flawed or bigoted etc so being a member from birth is of no consequence ( I'm sure Presbos or the continuity Presbos are too but sometimes you'd wonder! ;) ).

It's organizations that you 'join' and become a member of that I question.
If you decide to join the oo, KKK , IRA etc - you surely must know the ethos , or soon learn about it and agree with it if you stay a member?
If you don't agree with the ethos and remain a member then you are lying to that org and are still supporting their inhumane desires by being a member and not speaking out against them!
??

You say it's incorrect and then go on to draw comparisons to terrorist organisations, interesting....

I abhore what the OO stand for however to label everyone in it as bad people or bigots or whatever is a bit much in my view. Yes I would have no doubt that a lot are but is everyone in it?

The OO is not a good organisation however I think it's reputation has mushroomed a little into being something more than it is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
Hmmmm surprised there aren't a few more on here lambasting James McClean as a bigot for refusing to wear his Poppy at the weekend.

The British have been heavily involved in the Peace Process and they stopped those horrible Germans from taking over the world surely McClean should have extended the 'hand of friendship' to our British brothers seeing as he lives there and plays in their football league!!!

James McClean tweeted"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"MLK.Well done James very proud of you.

1. James McClean doesn't have a Twitter account anymore so you just made that up.

2. You haven't answered my question. If the Black family are bigots for not accepting McGuinness' "hand of friendship" then how is McClean not also a bigot for shunning the Poppy appeal?

Don't get me wrong I actually think McClean was right but why should the Black family be castigated for making a similar decision?!

Not going to rehearse the Black argument again,but McClean comes from a city that had many of its population murdered by British Army so can understand why he doesn't want to show his support for them,it would be like asking the people of Liverpool to wear a badge supporting the West Midlands police.

The Black family come from a community that had many murdered by the IRA. . . why then would you expect them to let a self confessed IRA member attend a family funeral!

No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

Your post reminds me of gregory campbell on question time one year. When asked if the british army should apologise for bloody sunday he responded that they shouldn't because the ira doesn't.

How he equated the two first of all was astounding and second of all it was astounding he wasn't taken to town on it.

I agree with what mclean did but your point 1 there is ridiculous and nothing to do with anything on this topic.

The orange order is engrained in a lot of people's culture/ upbringing. I have no doubt that it is a very bigoted organisation however i do not believe everyone in it is bigoted. It's a big generalisation to jump too that evryone in it is bigoted.

Read the posts before making a comment,it wasnt me who tried to equate the two it was your friend screenexile,I was saying there was no comparison.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 10:46:22 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.
The SDLP and Irish Government will turn up at any event that gets them a bit of publicity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 10:46:22 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on November 12, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
also have heard back about Mr Black from a couple of sources on different sides.
He's not have wanted McGuinness or any other SF or nationalist politician at his funeral apparantly.
Well it's clear that the family didn't want any SF reps at the funeral. But the SDLP and an Irish Government Minister attended.
The SDLP and Irish Government will turn up at any event that gets them a bit of publicity.

I think the point is that the Black family weren't against Catholics at the funeral, only representatives of SF.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on November 13, 2012, 11:06:40 AM
I seriously don't know where to start with this one. Sometimes this board depresses me. Most of the comments are old now, so I'll just do a bit of tidy up in case anyone might stumble on this in future, but please lads, at least have some common decency when discussing topics like this, and if you feel that someone has acted incorrectly at least be mindful of circumstance before you go labelling people as bigots.

We encourage debate on this forum, and moderate lightly enough, so please don't head down this path.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.

Well then I don't understand point 1. What has that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.

Well then I don't understand point 1. What has that got to do with anything?

James McClean refused to wear a poppy,the funding goes towards injured members of BA a group of people still killing.The IRA who screenexile was equating with the BA have gone away a few years now.Hope this helps you understand.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.

Well then I don't understand point 1. What has that got to do with anything?

James McClean refused to wear a poppy,the funding goes towards injured members of BA a group of people still killing.The IRA who screenexile was equating with the BA have gone away a few years now.Hope this helps you understand.

I must have missed where he said that. So you differentiate the IRA and the BA because one is still killing and one isn't. Interesting.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: camanchero on November 13, 2012, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 13, 2012, 08:25:38 AM
A comparison with a religion is incorrect here.
No one is stating that COI or Anglican etc religions are inherently
Flawed or bigoted etc so being a member from birth is of no consequence ( I'm sure Presbos or the continuity Presbos are too but sometimes you'd wonder! ;) ).

It's organizations that you 'join' and become a member of that I question.
If you decide to join the oo, KKK , IRA etc - you surely must know the ethos , or soon learn about it and agree with it if you stay a member?
If you don't agree with the ethos and remain a member then you are lying to that org and are still supporting their inhumane desires by being a member and not speaking out against them!
??

You say it's incorrect and then go on to draw comparisons to terrorist organisations, interesting....

I abhore what the OO stand for however to label everyone in it as bad people or bigots or whatever is a bit much in my view. Yes I would have no doubt that a lot are but is everyone in it?

The OO is not a good organisation however I think it's reputation has mushroomed a little into being something more than it is.
a comparison with Catholic church was made - it was comparing apples and oranges.
a more accurate comparison of the oo was with KKK - or IRA even.

if a member of the oo does not know what they belong to and what kind of organisation it is, then the person is either under the age of 10 or mentally challenged. Otherwise they know full well and are 'supporters' of that organisation - whether active or passive.

I think the same argument can be made for the KKK and IRA and any other organisations along those lines...
simple really..
anyhow, the black family are oo supporters. it doesnt take away from the fact that mr black was killed. that was wrong. in their grief they didnt want to reach out to the republican side that also condemned the killing. that was their right. it shows that they still dont want/trust/like republicans despite all the 'progress' that has seemingly been made.
It is obvious that behind the facade the same preconceptions of the older generation (if not all generations) still exist and despite conceeding powersharing , unionism will not fully engage until the eventual reunification.
only after this will unionists (and loyalists as they are all part of the same group) will start to see that reunification will not have an adverse effect on them - apart from being on a reuified Ireland.
they can still call themselves 'british' - in he same way that the pod of English folk near Skibbereen in west Cork do. Theres no problem there either!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.

Well then I don't understand point 1. What has that got to do with anything?

James McClean refused to wear a poppy,the funding goes towards injured members of BA a group of people still killing.The IRA who screenexile was equating with the BA have gone away a few years now.Hope this helps you understand.

I must have missed where he said that. So you differentiate the IRA and the BA because one is still killing and one isn't. Interesting.

No your taking it out of context,as I said you should try and read all the thread before jumping to conclusions.Not good to comment on something when you have missed bits.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.

Well then I don't understand point 1. What has that got to do with anything?

James McClean refused to wear a poppy,the funding goes towards injured members of BA a group of people still killing.The IRA who screenexile was equating with the BA have gone away a few years now.Hope this helps you understand.

I must have missed where he said that. So you differentiate the IRA and the BA because one is still killing and one isn't. Interesting.

No your taking it out of context,as I said you should try and read all the thread before jumping to conclusions.Not good to comment on something when you have missed bits.

Surely the British Army you are referring to have gone away to an extent as well. When was the last killing in Ireland by the British Army?

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 13, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
No 1 The IRA are not still killing people the British Army are.

No 2 MMG elected MP and DFM was offering to go and pay his respects at a funeral ,not asking them to wear an Easter Lily.

No 3 James Mcclean plays football for Sunderland and is not in a bigoted organisation like the Orange Order.

That's the post I read.

Yeah but I was explaing to screenexile that it was different from the Black case not saying they were the same,so I was not equating the two which you accused me of.

Well then I don't understand point 1. What has that got to do with anything?

James McClean refused to wear a poppy,the funding goes towards injured members of BA a group of people still killing.The IRA who screenexile was equating with the BA have gone away a few years now.Hope this helps you understand.

I must have missed where he said that. So you differentiate the IRA and the BA because one is still killing and one isn't. Interesting.

No your taking it out of context,as I said you should try and read all the thread before jumping to conclusions.Not good to comment on something when you have missed bits.

Surely the British Army you are referring to have gone away to an extent as well. When was the last killing in Ireland by the British Army?

Think people are more concerned at present with their killings in Iraq and Afghanistan
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
OK. Instead of whataboutery and conjecture I'm going to put it as plainly as I can for you glensabu

1. James McClean was perfectly entitled to not wear his poppy and the current outrage by the establishment in the UK is wrong.

2. The Black family are EQUALLY entitled not to want a convicted IRA member to attend the funeral of their Father. None of us know him or the family so to assume they are bigots is just ignorance, just as those who are slagging off McClean are equally ignorant.

Lynchbhoy I think the OO is an organisation with a lot of flaws. One thing they are not flawed in is recruitment and community. I know strictly they are not like the Catholic Church but I think if you're born into a protestant family you'll be attending marches and having your picture taken with your Dad wearing his sash etc. from a very young age.

Likewise I think a number of these people grow up to realise the harm the OO do to Catholic communities and would not want to be seen the way they are by a lot of people. Surely there are people in the organisation trying to reform it and it would be unfair of us to label every single one of them a bigot.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
OK. Instead of whataboutery and conjecture I'm going to put it as plainly as I can for you glensabu

1. James McClean was perfectly entitled to not wear his poppy and the current outrage by the establishment in the UK is wrong.

2. The Black family are EQUALLY entitled not to want a convicted IRA member to attend the funeral of their Father. None of us know him or the family so to assume they are bigots is just ignorance, just as those who are slagging off McClean are equally ignorant.

Lynchbhoy I think the OO is an organisation with a lot of flaws. One thing they are not flawed in is recruitment and community. I know strictly they are not like the Catholic Church but I think if you're born into a protestant family you'll be attending marches and having your picture taken with your Dad wearing his sash etc. from a very young age.

Likewise I think a number of these people grow up to realise the harm the OO do to Catholic communities and would not want to be seen the way they are by a lot of people. Surely there are people in the organisation trying to reform it and it would be unfair of us to label every single one of them a bigot.

You lost the arguement regarding what you accused me off and now going over old ground about the Blacks.Did you not see you are not allowed to mention bigots anymore so think you should just let it drop.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:20:20 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
OK. Instead of whataboutery and conjecture I'm going to put it as plainly as I can for you glensabu

1. James McClean was perfectly entitled to not wear his poppy and the current outrage by the establishment in the UK is wrong.

2. The Black family are EQUALLY entitled not to want a convicted IRA member to attend the funeral of their Father. None of us know him or the family so to assume they are bigots is just ignorance, just as those who are slagging off McClean are equally ignorant.

Lynchbhoy I think the OO is an organisation with a lot of flaws. One thing they are not flawed in is recruitment and community. I know strictly they are not like the Catholic Church but I think if you're born into a protestant family you'll be attending marches and having your picture taken with your Dad wearing his sash etc. from a very young age.

Likewise I think a number of these people grow up to realise the harm the OO do to Catholic communities and would not want to be seen the way they are by a lot of people. Surely there are people in the organisation trying to reform it and it would be unfair of us to label every single one of them a bigot.

You lost the arguement regarding what you accused me off and now going over old ground about the Blacks.Did you not see you are not allowed to mention bigots anymore so think you should just let it drop.

How did I lose that again?!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 02:29:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:20:20 PM
Quote from: glens abu on November 13, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
OK. Instead of whataboutery and conjecture I'm going to put it as plainly as I can for you glensabu

1. James McClean was perfectly entitled to not wear his poppy and the current outrage by the establishment in the UK is wrong.

2. The Black family are EQUALLY entitled not to want a convicted IRA member to attend the funeral of their Father. None of us know him or the family so to assume they are bigots is just ignorance, just as those who are slagging off McClean are equally ignorant.

Lynchbhoy I think the OO is an organisation with a lot of flaws. One thing they are not flawed in is recruitment and community. I know strictly they are not like the Catholic Church but I think if you're born into a protestant family you'll be attending marches and having your picture taken with your Dad wearing his sash etc. from a very young age.

Likewise I think a number of these people grow up to realise the harm the OO do to Catholic communities and would not want to be seen the way they are by a lot of people. Surely there are people in the organisation trying to reform it and it would be unfair of us to label every single one of them a bigot.

You lost the arguement regarding what you accused me off and now going over old ground about the Blacks.Did you not see you are not allowed to mention bigots anymore so think you should just let it drop.

How did I lose that again?!

trying to equate James McClean to the Blacks.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on November 13, 2012, 02:40:08 PM
Oh and here my point all along was that you shouldn't be calling a grieving family bigots. Nothing you have said has proven me wrong.

Though some comparison I made to try and illustrate my point seems to have given you a moral victory . . . good man!! Sure go on McClean's Twitter account there and get some other made up quote to prove me wrong again, oh no that's right he doesn't have one!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.

What hand of friendship did the Sinn Fein councillors in Dungannon extend to the Black family ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Olaf on November 13, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.

It certainly is very very  easy  for you to say that , all too easy.  Why are you referring to your absence of specific  evidence regarding the Black family interacting with loyalist paramilitaries ? In fact why refer to that  at all in your post if it is inconsequential and of no value?? ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
See the quotation marks? Read back over the last few pages.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
See the quotation marks? Read back over the last few pages.

yes and your point is?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
See the quotation marks? Read back over the last few pages.

yes and your point is?
If opposing someone's attendance at a funeral is considered "unchristian", then surely opposing a book of condolences must also be considered "unchristian".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.
You honestly believe that it would make a blind bit of difference in this regard?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 13, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
Can someone please explain to me why anyone would think that the dissident threat would as reported in local news today justify an extra 1000 police officers on our streets. Do people really think that this will actually have any success? I think its more about creating jobs for the boys.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.


ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
See the quotation marks? Read back over the last few pages.

yes and your point is?
If opposing someone's attendance at a funeral is considered "unchristian", then surely opposing a book of condolences must also be considered "unchristian".

i have no recollection of ever reading about Christianty in  SF manifesto, it should never have been bought up in the thread about unchristian acts etc for the family not wanting SF there. it was political. but it time to park the bus on this topic now imo.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.


ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
See the quotation marks? Read back over the last few pages.

yes and your point is?
If opposing someone's attendance at a funeral is considered "unchristian", then surely opposing a book of condolences must also be considered "unchristian".

i have no recollection of ever reading about Christianty in  SF manifesto, it should never have been bought up in the thread about unchristian acts etc for the family not wanting SF there. it was political. but it time to park the bus on this topic now imo.
Bye then.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 13, 2012, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.


ah so it was all about a 32 county christian republic.
See the quotation marks? Read back over the last few pages.

yes and your point is?
If opposing someone's attendance at a funeral is considered "unchristian", then surely opposing a book of condolences must also be considered "unchristian".

i have no recollection of ever reading about Christianty in  SF manifesto, it should never have been bought up in the thread about unchristian acts etc for the family not wanting SF there. it was political. but it time to park the bus on this topic now imo.
Bye then.

slan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on November 14, 2012, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

I commented on it yesterday but my post was removed. Not sure why.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 14, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2012, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

I commented on it yesterday but my post was removed. Not sure why.

Sinn Fein voted against it as the council had a policy to only open a book of condolence for a person who had died and was from the council area.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Saffrongael on November 14, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 14, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2012, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

I commented on it yesterday but my post was removed. Not sure why.

Sinn Fein voted against it as the council had a policy to only open a book of condolence for a person who had died and was from the council area.

Yes they have always been sticklers for procedure. Do they seriously expect people to believe this shit ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 14, 2012, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 14, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: glens abu on November 14, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2012, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Sinn Fein voted against opening a book of condolence in Dungannon council for David Black.
Yes, it seems that this act - would you call it "unchristian"? - is being ignored.

I commented on it yesterday but my post was removed. Not sure why.

Sinn Fein voted against it as the council had a policy to only open a book of condolence for a person who had died and was from the council area.

Yes they have always been sticklers for procedure. Do they seriously expect people to believe this shit ?

We will see at the next election. ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 14, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Olaf on November 13, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.

It certainly is very very  easy  for you to say that , all too easy.  Why are you referring to your absence of specific  evidence regarding the Black family interacting with loyalist paramilitaries ? In fact why refer to that  at all in your post if it is inconsequential and of no value?? ?
The general point I am making is that Unionist still have double standards when it comes to who are the good guys and who are the bad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 14, 2012, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.

What hand of friendship did the Sinn Fein councillors in Dungannon extend to the Black family ?
Look I'm not a shinner and wouldn't agree with their objection, but I note the SF Mayor was first to sign.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 14, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 13, 2012, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.
You honestly believe that it would make a blind bit of difference in this regard?
No but it would to ordinary decent nationalists.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 14, 2012, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 14, 2012, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.

What hand of friendship did the Sinn Fein councillors in Dungannon extend to the Black family ?
Look I'm not a shinner and wouldn't agree with their objection, but I note the SF Mayor was first to sign.
First to sign what?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on November 15, 2012, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 14, 2012, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 14, 2012, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 13, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I think it is unfair to label the Blacks as bigots. They lost a father and a husband. But the point I keep making is that their refusal of the hand of friendship from SF is indicative of the position that many unionists are in. Nothing has changed, this is a unionist state, part of the UK etc. And whilst many nationalists are ambivalent at best on the Union, they do want respect for for their Irish identity and symbols. A respect that is denied by Unionists/Loyalists and their polititicans daily. Whilst the Blacks position is understandable by snubbing Martin McGuinness they are snubbing the leader of nationalism. And whilst I have no specfic evidence that the Black family have had interaction with loyalist paramilitary elements, there are ample examples of DUP/UUP/OO interaction with them and an exceptance even of a private visit would have signified to the mindless morons who shot Mr Black that the community as a whole is moving on. But I accept again, easy for me to say.

What hand of friendship did the Sinn Fein councillors in Dungannon extend to the Black family ?
Look I'm not a shinner and wouldn't agree with their objection, but I note the SF Mayor was first to sign.
First to sign what?
The BOC
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GAA_Talk on November 23, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

That's actually quite witty. Well played.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 23, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on November 23, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

That's actually quite witty. Well played.

are you for real? well played, to this ****, Jesus wept, have you actually read some of the shit this man comes out with.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 23, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on November 23, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

That's actually quite witty. Well played.

are you for real? well played, to this ****, Jesus wept, have you actually read some of the shit this man comes out with.
I don't imagine you'll get too many "Well Played"s, considering you invariably play the man rather than the ball, as above.

Oh, and by the way, "coming out with shit" is a speciality of fanatical Republican terrorists, if the state of their cells is anything to go by... ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 26, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 23, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on November 23, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

That's actually quite witty. Well played.

are you for real? well played, to this ****, Jesus wept, have you actually read some of the shit this man comes out with.
I don't imagine you'll get too many "Well Played"s, considering you invariably play the man rather than the ball, as above.

Oh, and by the way, "coming out with shit" is a speciality of fanatical Republican terrorists, if the state of their cells is anything to go by... ::)

At least these men have the courage of their convictions unlike their Loyalist counterparts, one more thing, the loyalist prisoners were not being subjected to this degrading practice..................... funny how that works!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 27, 2012, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: stew on November 26, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 23, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on November 23, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

That's actually quite witty. Well played.

are you for real? well played, to this ****, Jesus wept, have you actually read some of the shit this man comes out with.
I don't imagine you'll get too many "Well Played"s, considering you invariably play the man rather than the ball, as above.

Oh, and by the way, "coming out with shit" is a speciality of fanatical Republican terrorists, if the state of their cells is anything to go by... ::)

At least these men have the courage of their convictions unlike their Loyalist counterparts, one more thing, the loyalist prisoners were not being subjected to this degrading practice..................... funny how that works!
Ah, the old "courage of their convictions" argument...

Well why don't these courageous Republican souls take that to its logical conclusion and become suicide bombers? For let's face it, from where you sit, you will know all about the courage  it took eg to bomb the Twin Towers...

Or does self-sacrifice only count as "courage" when demonstrated by Irish Republicans, but when it's Islamists we're dealing with, for example, then they are merely extremist fanatics?

And when you have enlightened me on that distinction, perhaps you can explain to me why some of these prisoners of conviction have ended their protest, whilst others continue with it?

For if this were solely a question of principle, then surely all of them would be acting in concert?

Finally, you were happy to opine earlier that "a simple Google" (yeah, right) would establish that these BOSS machines are simple to use etc, but now ignore the fact that the POA have already agreed to their being tested elsewhere in the system (Magilligan and Hydebank), before being introduced for use for the most courageous dangerous prisoners being held in Maghaberry?

P.S. A while back, on this very thread in fact, you declared that "Dissidents are scumbags". Did you actually mean to post that they are courageous scumbags?  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on November 27, 2012, 02:12:56 PM


you will know all about the courage  it took eg to bomb the Twin Towers...


[/quote]

Is it not true that a good number of the "martyrs" of 9/11 weren't aware they were on a suicide mission. Would love to have seen the look on their stupid faces when they realised.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on December 01, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
I see a man was remanded today for having amongst other things a BB gun. Apparently it is likely to be of use to terrorists.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on December 02, 2012, 03:13:50 PM
What were the other things?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on December 02, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on November 27, 2012, 02:12:56 PM
Is it not true that a good number of the "martyrs" of 9/11 weren't aware they were on a suicide mission. Would love to have seen the look on their stupid faces when they realised.

I'd say those "martyrs" were fairly shocked back in Saudi Arabia, upon hearing they had been "killed" on 9/11.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on December 01, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
I see a man was remanded today for having amongst other things a BB gun. Apparently it is likely to be of use to terrorists.
I'd say using one eg to hijack cars, rob banks, intimidate people etc, might prove useful to terrorists.

But maybe that's just me... ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Evil Genius, how do you be bothered posting in these type of threads? Same shite all the time. Little to be at.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PMEvil Genius, how do you be bothered posting in these type of threads? Same shite all the time.
If anyone was posting "shite" it was Benny Cake, when he implied that a BB Gun couldn't be of use to terrorists.

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PMLittle to be at.
Oh the irony...  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
I havent read any of it and dont care what BC said but f**k me for a non GAA man you (and the usual suspects) spend a lot of time running around spending time looking arguments. I think you and your sparring partners should get your own wee section on the board.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on December 02, 2012, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PMEvil Genius, how do you be bothered posting in these type of threads? Same shite all the time.
If anyone was posting "shite" it was Benny Cake, when he implied that a BB Gun couldn't be of use to terrorists.

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PMLittle to be at.
Oh the irony...  ::)

If you care to look again, I think you'll find I said nothing of the sort, EG.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
I havent read any of it and dont care what BC said
So you haven't read the thread and don't care what BC said, yet still you took the trouble to post on it.

"Little to be at" indeed...

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PMbut f**k me for a non GAA man you (and the usual suspects) spend a lot of time running around spending time looking arguments.
And telling someone that's he's posting "shite" is somehow looking to promote peace and harmony, I suppose  ;D

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PMI think you and your sparring partners should get your own wee section on the board.
We have.

It's called the "General Discussion" section and you'll find it in the "Non-GAA Discussion" part of the Board. And the topics are helpfully divided into individual threads, so that people who are not interested may avoid them.

There is also an Ignore Function.

But, hey, if you're still having problems coping, maybe this will help:

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Or maybe some of these:

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Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 08:17:32 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 02, 2012, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PMEvil Genius, how do you be bothered posting in these type of threads? Same shite all the time.
If anyone was posting "shite" it was Benny Cake, when he implied that a BB Gun couldn't be of use to terrorists.

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:29:29 PMLittle to be at.
Oh the irony...  ::)

If you care to look again, I think you'll find I said nothing of the sort, EG.
I have, and you are quite correct - I should have cited "Agent Orange".

My apologies.  :-[
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
I havent read any of it and dont care what BC said
So you haven't read the thread and don't care what BC said, yet still you took the trouble to post on it.

"Little to be at" indeed...

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PMbut f**k me for a non GAA man you (and the usual suspects) spend a lot of time running around spending time looking arguments.
And telling someone that's he's posting "shite" is somehow looking to promote peace and harmony, I suppose  ;D

Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 07:37:05 PMI think you and your sparring partners should get your own wee section on the board.
We have.

It's called the "General Discussion" section and you'll find it in the "Non-GAA Discussion" part of the Board. And the topics are helpfully divided into individual threads, so that people who are not interested may avoid them.

There is also an Ignore Function.

But, hey, if you're still having problems coping, maybe this will help:

(http://images.betterworldbooks.com/047/The-Internet-for-Dummies-9780470121740.jpg)

Or maybe some of these:

(http://images.mysupermarket.co.uk/ProductsDetailed/2/033802.jpg)

3500 odd posts  ??? Too much time on your hands
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 08:20:03 PM


3500 odd posts  ??? Too much time on your hands
About the same as "Stew", and around half the number of posts by "Puckoon" and "Maguire01" - to name just three who've posted on the last two pages of this thread.

But you'd know that if you'd bothered to read it before posting on it yourself...  :D

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: All of a Sludden on December 02, 2012, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 02, 2012, 08:20:03 PM


3500 odd posts  ??? Too much time on your hands
About the same as "Stew", and around half the number of posts by "Puckoon" and "Maguire01" - to name just three who've posted on the last two pages of this thread.

But you'd know that if you'd bothered to read it before posting on it yourself...  :D

I think the posters you have mentioned have an interest in the GAA.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on December 03, 2012, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 02, 2012, 08:17:32 PM
I have, and you are quite correct - I should have cited "Agent Orange".

My apologies.  :-[

Apology accepted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
Anyone who comes onto a GAA related website, when they have zero interest in GAA and where they know most posters on the board will likely be of a nationalist opinion, and chooses this:

(http://www.theflagshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/speed/images/northern-ireland-flag-3ft-x-2ft-870-p%5Bekm%5D115x70%5Bekm%5D.jpg)

as their avatar....well... it tells you all you need to know about how such a person gets their kicks and about their pitiful need for attention.



Jim, while I accept the irony of this post giving him his fix of attention, I'd suggest that EG is best ignored.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on December 03, 2012, 10:28:02 AM
I don't see the problem with EG posting on here. What would be the point of everyone going "Oh we want a United Ireland" then "Me too" and then "me three".

He gives a valid Unionist opinion and to be fair that is what we are up against. Should a United Ireland come to fruition are we just going to ignore all the concerns of the Unionist people? Then we are just as bad as they were before Civil Rights. While I'm no big fan of Unionism his points are generally measured and keep some of the more 'hard line' Republicans on here in check!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: screenexile on December 03, 2012, 10:28:02 AM
I don't see the problem with EG posting on here. What would be the point of everyone going "Oh we want a United Ireland" then "Me too" and then "me three".

He gives a valid Unionist opinion and to be fair that is what we are up against. Should a United Ireland come to fruition are we just going to ignore all the concerns of the Unionist people? Then we are just as bad as they were before Civil Rights. While I'm no big fan of Unionism his points are generally measured and keep some of the more 'hard line' Republicans on here in check!

There are numerous unionists on here, but the others are mostly capable of a civilized conversation and don't use 'in your face' avatars hoping to stir up shite. EG is a bigot. His comments on Pat Finucane are testament to that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
nally appears to have severe problems with any poster who doesn't subscribe to his views. I don't agree with EG's views and he is quite provocative but I defend his freedom of speech.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
nally appears to have severe problems with any poster who doesn't subscribe to his views. I don't agree with EG's views and he is quite provocative but I defend his freedom of speech.

Read the first few lines of my last post. There are numerous unionists on this board. EG is the only one I have a problem with.

Clown.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on December 03, 2012, 12:43:19 PM
From Webster's dictioary

Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You could label a lot of Posters here as Bigots based on the first part of that definition
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
nally appears to have severe problems with any poster who doesn't subscribe to his views. I don't agree with EG's views and he is quite provocative but I defend his freedom of speech.

Read the first few lines of my last post. There are numerous unionists on this board. EG is the only one I have a problem with.

Clown.
Ahh yes another Nally trait personal abuse, very mature.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
nally appears to have severe problems with any poster who doesn't subscribe to his views. I don't agree with EG's views and he is quite provocative but I defend his freedom of speech.

Read the first few lines of my last post. There are numerous unionists on this board. EG is the only one I have a problem with.

Clown.
Aahh another Nally trait...personal abuse.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
Ahh yes another Nally trait personal abuse, very mature.

Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:41:19 PM
Aahh another Nally trait...personal abuse.

I heard you the first time  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
Anyone who comes onto a GAA related website, when they have zero interest in GAA...
What makes you think I have "zero interest" in GAA?

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AM... and where they know most posters on the board will likely be of a nationalist opinion, and chooses this:

(http://www.theflagshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/speed/images/northern-ireland-flag-3ft-x-2ft-870-p%5Bekm%5D115x70%5Bekm%5D.jpg)

as their avatar....well... it tells you all you need to know about how such a person gets their kicks and about their pitiful need for attention.
I thought the whole point of an Avatar was to draw attention to the Poster, and give some clue to his/her identity etc?

As such, I thought my choice was unique, distinctive and effective.

Of course, it seems that some people get offended by it, but hey, I can't help it if people choose to be tw ats...

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AMJim, while I accept the irony of this post giving him his fix of attention, I'd suggest that EG is best ignored.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZQbe4PlnPg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZQbe4PlnPg)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMThere are numerous unionists on here, but the others are mostly capable of a civilized conversation and don't use 'in your face' avatars hoping to stir up shite.
Does my 'in your face' [sic] avatar really stir you up?  ;)

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMEG is a bigot. His comments on Pat Finucane are testament to that.
For those who aren't familiar with what I've posted on Finucane, here is a reprise.

His murder was wrong and totally unjustifiable.

I would like to see all of those involved tried, convicted and given life sentences (I don't agree with the Death Penalty).

Anyone who knows anything about his murder should be duty-bound to inform the proper authorities. And if I had somehow learned of his murder in advance, I would have made it known, so as to try to prevent it.

However, now that it has happened, I can find no sympathy for the man himself, since I believe him to have been the IRA's "in-house solicitor".

Now people may think this last comment shocking - so be it - but I would say exactly the same about eg the murder of Billy Wright.

For my distaste for Finucane stems not from the fact that he was a Nationalist or a Catholic etc, but rather from his terrorist associations.

So if my contempt for terrorists makes me a "bigot" [sic], then so be it.

P.S. I guess I'm also a "bigot" for despising eg child molesters, drug dealers and badger baiters etc
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on December 04, 2012, 05:24:09 AM
EG, are Republicans not entitled to legal representation?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on December 04, 2012, 07:32:31 AM
The biggest terrorist in the UK over the past 30 years was a British PM. Where would your sympathies lie if he ended up being assassinated?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
EG uses this forum as a mechanism. SOLELY for SF/republican bashing, which is all well and good, his right etc. I would however support Jim Stynes' assertion that said poster has little to be at, considering the average Gaaboarder will have only a passing interest in politics (bar a very small minority); and there are various other politic forums where he could actually engage with more like-minded people, and perhaps get his 'money's worth' of political debate.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 09:29:54 AM
Far too many completely inocent people were deemed guilty by association.

Some were guilty by association with alleged known republicans.


Others were deemed guilty and paid a heavy price simply by being associated by membership of organisations like the GAA.


Crazy logic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on December 04, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
Anyone who comes onto a GAA related website, when they have zero interest in GAA...
What makes you think I have "zero interest" in GAA?

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AM... and where they know most posters on the board will likely be of a nationalist opinion, and chooses this:

(http://www.theflagshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/speed/images/northern-ireland-flag-3ft-x-2ft-870-p%5Bekm%5D115x70%5Bekm%5D.jpg)

as their avatar....well... it tells you all you need to know about how such a person gets their kicks and about their pitiful need for attention.
I thought the whole point of an Avatar was to draw attention to the Poster, and give some clue to his/her identity etc?

As such, I thought my choice was unique, distinctive and effective.

Of course, it seems that some people get offended by it, but hey, I can't help it if people choose to be tw ats...

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:09:53 AMJim, while I accept the irony of this post giving him his fix of attention, I'd suggest that EG is best ignored.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZQbe4PlnPg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZQbe4PlnPg)

i propose a motion your avatar is only allowed on designated days. ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on December 04, 2012, 03:31:56 PM
Every time the IFA's soccer team win a match perhaps?  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ludermor on December 04, 2012, 03:56:04 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
EG uses this forum as a mechanism. SOLELY for SF/republican bashing, which is all well and good, his right etc. I would however support Jim Stynes' assertion that said poster has little to be at, considering the average Gaaboarder will have only a passing interest in politics (bar a very small minority); and there are various other politic forums where he could actually engage with more like-minded people, and perhaps get his 'money's worth' of political debate.
FFS there are plenty who uses the forum for the exact opposite cause!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on December 04, 2012, 08:02:20 PM
According to the RTE news this evening a "Dissident group" are suspected of killing the gangland figure Eamon Kelly in  Dublin.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Oraisteach on December 05, 2012, 03:19:05 AM
I posted this earlier, but no need to say much more, EG, since you persist in your morally untenable position, except that this time you've applied a little rouge and mascara to it to make it more presentable.  Nonetheless it's still a skanky view.
"To defend the rule of law means that it much be applied to all, not just offenders that you like.  In other words, even accused rapists, murderers, drug-runners, etc. need to be accorded due process.  Such is the essence of a free and civil society.  To be comfortable when the state scoffs at the rule of law in particular circumstances is, by definition, not to have the highest respect for the rule of law.  It is instead to sanction a police state, a disappointing view coming from a unionist moderate like yourself.  If you hold this view, what can the rest of us expect from hard-liners?"

I just don't understand how you can oppose the death penalty and at the same time take delight in what was done to Pat Finucane.  I, too, oppose capital punishment, but at least in most death penalty cases the accused gets to have his or her day in court, is permitted to confront his accuser, is allowed to hear the evidence presented against him, has counsel to defend him and is judged by a panel of his peers.  Pat Finucane, whatever you think of him, was simply executed.  I sincerely hope that agents of the state don't someday believe that a relative of yours is a social undesirable and terminate him callously while self-righteous people like yourself stand gleefully by applauding, raising no voice of protest.

You can wheel out all the laudable sentiments you like at the start of your post, but you can't then simply do a moral U-turn and expect to be taken seriously.  You may not be a bigot, EG, but you're undoubtedly a hypocrite.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tubberman on December 05, 2012, 08:54:09 AM
Not much discussion on the suspected murder of criminal/drug dealer Eamonn Kelly by the dissidents.
Apparently he refused to pay them "protection" money which led to a stand off, and he was also suspected of having some level of involvement in the murder of fellow sc**bag Alan Ryan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on December 05, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
Maybe Eamon Gilmore will make a statement during his budget speech lamenting the tragic passing of one of his best Finance Officers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tubberman on December 05, 2012, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Ulick on December 05, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
Maybe Eamon Gilmore will make a statement during his budget speech lamenting the tragic passing of one of his best Finance Officers.

Very good :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on December 05, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
Lads this is a discussion board, with a general section. Surely if we wish to discuss politics here rather than being members of multiple boards, and we can fin like minded people on here, then that is acceptable. Anyone with no interest in the topic can ignore it as Ido with many. Or am I missing a rule some where? It really is stupid for someone to get in to a discussion and then declare that it is of no interest or shouldn't be here. If you've no interest then avoid the topic? No?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tubberman on December 05, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 05, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
Lads this is a discussion board, with a general section. Surely if we wish to discuss politics here rather than being members of multiple boards, and we can fin like minded people on here, then that is acceptable. Anyone with no interest in the topic can ignore it as Ido with many. Or am I missing a rule some where? It really is stupid for someone to get in to a discussion and then declare that it is of no interest or shouldn't be here. If you've no interest then avoid the topic? No?

Meant to be in SF thread?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stibhan on December 12, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMThere are numerous unionists on here, but the others are mostly capable of a civilized conversation and don't use 'in your face' avatars hoping to stir up shite.
Does my 'in your face' [sic] avatar really stir you up?  ;)

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMEG is a bigot. His comments on Pat Finucane are testament to that.
For those who aren't familiar with what I've posted on Finucane, here is a reprise.

His murder was wrong and totally unjustifiable.

I would like to see all of those involved tried, convicted and given life sentences (I don't agree with the Death Penalty).

Anyone who knows anything about his murder should be duty-bound to inform the proper authorities. And if I had somehow learned of his murder in advance, I would have made it known, so as to try to prevent it.

However, now that it has happened, I can find no sympathy for the man himself, since I believe him to have been the IRA's "in-house solicitor".

Now people may think this last comment shocking - so be it - but I would say exactly the same about eg the murder of Billy Wright.

For my distaste for Finucane stems not from the fact that he was a Nationalist or a Catholic etc, but rather from his terrorist associations.

So if my contempt for terrorists makes me a "bigot" [sic], then so be it.

P.S. I guess I'm also a "bigot" for despising eg child molesters, drug dealers and badger baiters etc

The report states that Finucane wasn't in the IRA and Cameron has now specifically said that there is no comparison with Wright and Finucane, who also represented loyalists in court. Can you now withdraw your comments as they are slanderous.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2012, 04:16:14 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 12, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMThere are numerous unionists on here, but the others are mostly capable of a civilized conversation and don't use 'in your face' avatars hoping to stir up shite.
Does my 'in your face' [sic] avatar really stir you up?  ;)

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMEG is a bigot. His comments on Pat Finucane are testament to that.
For those who aren't familiar with what I've posted on Finucane, here is a reprise.

His murder was wrong and totally unjustifiable.

I would like to see all of those involved tried, convicted and given life sentences (I don't agree with the Death Penalty).

Anyone who knows anything about his murder should be duty-bound to inform the proper authorities. And if I had somehow learned of his murder in advance, I would have made it known, so as to try to prevent it.

However, now that it has happened, I can find no sympathy for the man himself, since I believe him to have been the IRA's "in-house solicitor".

Now people may think this last comment shocking - so be it - but I would say exactly the same about eg the murder of Billy Wright.

For my distaste for Finucane stems not from the fact that he was a Nationalist or a Catholic etc, but rather from his terrorist associations.

So if my contempt for terrorists makes me a "bigot" [sic], then so be it.

P.S. I guess I'm also a "bigot" for despising eg child molesters, drug dealers and badger baiters etc

The report states that Finucane wasn't in the IRA and Cameron has now specifically said that there is no comparison with Wright and Finucane, who also represented loyalists in court. Can you now withdraw your comments as they are slanderous.

He posted that he thought Pat Finucane was the IRA's in house solicitor, I don't think in this post he has said that Pat was in the Ra.

I heard some more news on this subject today, terrible for the family, how they can't have the information that they already know, put out on record. What's posters views on a truth commission?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on December 12, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
Not to mention Myles Na G:

Quote from: Myles Na G. on October 12, 2011, 08:35:49 PM
He was an IRA man, he got shot, get over it.

Quote from: Myles Na G. on October 12, 2011, 10:55:22 PM
PF, like his brothers, was an active member of the IRA....
I repeat, he was in the IRA, he got shot, get over it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stibhan on December 12, 2012, 05:38:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2012, 04:16:14 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 12, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMThere are numerous unionists on here, but the others are mostly capable of a civilized conversation and don't use 'in your face' avatars hoping to stir up shite.
Does my 'in your face' [sic] avatar really stir you up?  ;)

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMEG is a bigot. His comments on Pat Finucane are testament to that.
For those who aren't familiar with what I've posted on Finucane, here is a reprise.

His murder was wrong and totally unjustifiable.

I would like to see all of those involved tried, convicted and given life sentences (I don't agree with the Death Penalty).

Anyone who knows anything about his murder should be duty-bound to inform the proper authorities. And if I had somehow learned of his murder in advance, I would have made it known, so as to try to prevent it.

However, now that it has happened, I can find no sympathy for the man himself, since I believe him to have been the IRA's "in-house solicitor".

Now people may think this last comment shocking - so be it - but I would say exactly the same about eg the murder of Billy Wright.

For my distaste for Finucane stems not from the fact that he was a Nationalist or a Catholic etc, but rather from his terrorist associations.

So if my contempt for terrorists makes me a "bigot" [sic], then so be it.

P.S. I guess I'm also a "bigot" for despising eg child molesters, drug dealers and badger baiters etc

The report states that Finucane wasn't in the IRA and Cameron has now specifically said that there is no comparison with Wright and Finucane, who also represented loyalists in court. Can you now withdraw your comments as they are slanderous.

He posted that he thought Pat Finucane was the IRA's in house solicitor, I don't think in this post he has said that Pat was in the Ra.

What is the difference?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: heganboy on December 12, 2012, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 12, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Can you now withdraw your comments as they are slanderous.

interestingly slander is the usual law that applies to a written comment, but since 2009 in the UK it is viewed as slander. In Ireland it would be considered libelous, but in both jurisdictions legally because Mr Finucane is deceased there is no legal case to answer...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Last Man on December 12, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 04, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMThere are numerous unionists on here, but the others are mostly capable of a civilized conversation and don't use 'in your face' avatars hoping to stir up shite.
Does my 'in your face' [sic] avatar really stir you up?  ;)

Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2012, 10:30:28 AMEG is a bigot. His comments on Pat Finucane are testament to that.
For those who aren't familiar with what I've posted on Finucane, here is a reprise.

His murder was wrong and totally unjustifiable.

I would like to see all of those involved tried, convicted and given life sentences (I don't agree with the Death Penalty).

Anyone who knows anything about his murder should be duty-bound to inform the proper authorities. And if I had somehow learned of his murder in advance, I would have made it known, so as to try to prevent it.

However, now that it has happened, I can find no sympathy for the man himself, since I believe him to have been the IRA's "in-house solicitor".

Now people may think this last comment shocking - so be it - but I would say exactly the same about eg the murder of Billy Wright.

For my distaste for Finucane stems not from the fact that he was a Nationalist or a Catholic etc, but rather from his terrorist associations.

So if my contempt for terrorists makes me a "bigot" [sic], then so be it.

P.S. I guess I'm also a "bigot" for despising eg child molesters, drug dealers and badger baiters etc
The man was a cog in the justice system of the time, clearly very good at his job. I have never heard a report of his loyalist clients complaining of any lack of effort on their behalf.  Is your disdain of his "terrorist" association also directed at the sollicitors who did most of the work on the loyalist side.? Sollicitors are not there to judge, only represent their clients in the best light possible against the prosecution. Just the way it should be in any right thinking democracy
Theres no such thing as Orange flavoured democracy, it only comes in plain.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: All of a Sludden on December 12, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: Last Man on December 12, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Theres no such thing as Orange flavoured democracy, it only comes in plain.

You sure about that?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on December 14, 2012, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 12, 2012, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 12, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Can you now withdraw your comments as they are slanderous.

interestingly slander is the usual law that applies to a written comment, but since 2009 in the UK it is viewed as slander. In Ireland it would be considered libelous, but in both jurisdictions legally because Mr Finucane is deceased there is no legal case to answer...
Slander : spoken
Libel: written
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on December 14, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2012, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: stew on November 26, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 23, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on November 23, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 23, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Hmmm.

For one who presents himself as so informed on this issue, has been active in the last couple of hours, and is normally prompt in keeping us updated etc, it seems Donagh Ulick has been oblivious to this particular development (below). I wonder why?

Prisoners in Roe House at Maghaberry end dirty protest

Republican sources and the prison service have said no deal was done to end a dirty protest by some dissident republican prisoners.
Twenty-two inmates aligned to a group calling itself the IRA ended their protest over the routine use of strip searching at Maghaberry Prison.
Earlier this month, the group murdered prison officer David Black.
Members of other dissident groups in Maghaberry were not consulted about the move and remain on protest.

(Read more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20422820 )



And this latest development reveals some more interesting aspects of the issue, which seem to have eluded Donagh Ulick, too, somehow.

"The prisoners claim that the prison authorities reneged on an agreement brokered in August 2010 to end a policy of routine full body searches, replacing it with electronic scanners.
The prisoners claim the deal was that they would be searched using a BOSS chair - a Body Orifice Security Scanner.
Prison authorities said the agreement was for internal movement within the prison only, not when prisoners left and re-entered their wings for domestic and legal visits or trips to court."


Therefore the issue was not so "black and white" as these Prisoners and their mouthpieces claim.



Further, the Prison Officers did NOT simply refuse to consider using these BOSS machines outright. Rather, since this is quite clearly a matter of life and death for them, they require to be convinced not just that the machines were effective, but ALSO that full testing and training in their use be undertaken BEFORE they were routinely deployed throughout NI, including for the most dangerous criminals in the system.

They have delayed the use of them at every turn, they must love shoving it up the fenians!
Which explains the reference by David Forde to: "... two [pilot test trials] which are running at Magilligan and Hydebank Wood."

Anyhow, maybe some day they'll invent a machine capable of detecting where exactly some of the posters on this forum are hiding their integrity and respect for the truth....  ::)

You would not know the truth if it was spelled out for you!

That's actually quite witty. Well played.

are you for real? well played, to this ****, Jesus wept, have you actually read some of the shit this man comes out with.
I don't imagine you'll get too many "Well Played"s, considering you invariably play the man rather than the ball, as above.

Oh, and by the way, "coming out with shit" is a speciality of fanatical Republican terrorists, if the state of their cells is anything to go by... ::)

Interesting comment here, what exactly constitutes "fanatical republican terrorists" If you mean men who were engaged in a war ( by the brits own admission) against the british takeover our country, then yes, there were fanatical about putting kicking the brit government and joining the republic in a united Ireland. As for the state of their walls, ask yourself why that happened!


At least these men have the courage of their convictions unlike their Loyalist counterparts, one more thing, the loyalist prisoners were not being subjected to this degrading practice..................... funny how that works!
Ah, the old "courage of their convictions" argument...

They died for the courage of their convictions did they not???? How the the loyalist inmates fare when they went on hunger strike???

Well why don't these courageous Republican souls take that to its logical conclusion and become suicide bombers? For let's face it, from where you sit, you will know all about the courage  it took eg to bomb the Twin Towers...

Apples and oranges, the IRA considered themselves freedom fighters and they had no interest in killing 3,000 people in one go, they did not want to kill people from all over the globe that had fcuk all to do with their cause as they saw it. The terrorists in the planes on 911 thought they would be humping virgins by the score in paradise, they were ignorant, ill informed scumbags that tried to hurt as many non muslims as possible, job done I would say.

Or does self-sacrifice only count as "courage" when demonstrated by Irish Republicans, but when it's Islamists we're dealing with, for example, then they are merely extremist fanatics?

See above for the answer.

And when you have enlightened me on that distinction, perhaps you can explain to me why some of these prisoners of conviction have ended their protest, whilst others continue with it?

Not too hard to do that, people are individuals and they choose their own path a lot of times, no two people are the same, just as the loyalists who went on hunger strike, they will tell ye the same thing.............................wait a moment, not a one of them lasted longer than the aul joke said, a polo mint.

For if this were solely a question of principle, then surely all of them would be acting in concert?

A lot of them did, some caved under pressure and concern for their families and some forged ahead, it happens in every walk of life.

Finally, you were happy to opine earlier that "a simple Google" (yeah, right) would establish that these BOSS machines are simple to use etc, but now ignore the fact that the POA have already agreed to their being tested elsewhere in the system (Magilligan and Hydebank), before being introduced for use for the most courageous dangerous prisoners being held in Maghaberry?

P.S. A while back, on this very thread in fact, you declared that "Dissidents are scumbags". Did you actually mean to post that they are courageous scumbags?  ::)

No I do not, they are drug dealing dregs and I despise what they stand for, they do nothing but destroy the fabric of society and they have nothing to offer anyone except misery, that is why I hate the fcukers, they stand for nothing and are the lowest form of life imo. Now, does that answer your question?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 15, 2013, 12:56:11 PM
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A man jailed for murdering two soldiers at Massereene Army base in Antrim has had his conviction quashed.

Brian Shivers, 47, from Magherafelt, challenged his conviction for the murders of Sappers Mark Quinsey, 23, and 21-year-old Patrick Azimkar in March 2009.

The victims were shot by the Real IRA as they collected pizza.

On Tuesday, the Court of Appeal ruled the verdict was unsafe.

The court said that no finding was made on when Shivers allegedly became aware of the murder plot.

Shivers will now remain in custody until the Public Prosecution Service decides whether to seek a retrial.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on January 15, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
it seems like a lot these convictions are based on very circumstansial evidence. i wouldnt be surprised at all if Brendan McConville and J.P Wottons convictions are ovrturned as well. Gerry Conlon isnt exactly a dissident republican and is fully backing their campaign.

http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/radio-free-eireann-interview-about-jp.html
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on January 16, 2013, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
it seems like a lot these convictions are based on very circumstansial evidence. i wouldnt be surprised at all if Brendan McConville and J.P Wottons convictions are ovrturned as well. Gerry Conlon isnt exactly a dissident republican and is fully backing their campaign.

http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/radio-free-eireann-interview-about-jp.html

The evidence against JPW was pretty shambolic if I remember correctly, with the fact that he was in Craigavon on the night of the killing being used against him.  Hardly incriminating stuff.  What other evidence did they get i.e. did they link him to the gun or was it simply found without prints under the oil tank?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 16, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
They also had (suspect) data from a GPS tracker which placed his car in the general area near the time of the shooting. However data was mysteriously deleted from the device in an army base before it could be presented to the court. The remaining evidence on the device was accepted as evidence.

http://www.thedetail.tv/issues/55/carrol-new/latest-diplock-trial-opens-with-surveillance-and-forensic-evidence-in-the-spotlight (http://www.thedetail.tv/issues/55/carrol-new/latest-diplock-trial-opens-with-surveillance-and-forensic-evidence-in-the-spotlight)

Given that he lived less than a mile away from the scene even that is highly circumstantial. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 16, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Ulick on January 16, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
They also had (suspect) data from a GPS tracker which placed his car in the general area near the time of the shooting. However data was mysteriously deleted from the device in an army base before it could be presented to the court. The remaining evidence on the device was accepted as evidence.

http://www.thedetail.tv/issues/55/carrol-new/latest-diplock-trial-opens-with-surveillance-and-forensic-evidence-in-the-spotlight (http://www.thedetail.tv/issues/55/carrol-new/latest-diplock-trial-opens-with-surveillance-and-forensic-evidence-in-the-spotlight)

Given that he lived less than a mile away from the scene even that is highly circumstantial.

Maybe they had arrested CD around the same time as well.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on March 04, 2013, 04:44:30 PM
Quite worrying escalation here. They appear to be well watched or infiltrated but someday they're going to get a 'big hit' so to speak which could be deadly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21651900
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2013, 08:03:20 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 04, 2013, 04:44:30 PM
Quite worrying escalation here. They appear to be well watched or infiltrated but someday they're going to get a 'big hit' so to speak which could be deadly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21651900

They'll not be happy till they do another Omagh, sad sad fcukers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on April 13, 2013, 05:49:54 PM
Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness has asked of dissident republicans "where were they, when there was a war".

The deputy first minister made the diversion to his set speech at the Sinn Fein annual conference on Saturday.

Mr McGuinness said when he watched news reports of dissident parades involving men in their 30s, 40s and 50s he was "mystified" as to where they had been previously.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: All of a Sludden on April 13, 2013, 09:29:12 PM
McGuinness insists that he left the IRA in the 70s. Where was he?  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Bomb in the Cathedral Quarter, hmmmm there's a great plan
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on December 13, 2013, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Bomb in the Cathedral Quarter, hmmmm there's a great plan

A few mates on facebook saying just had their soup and had to evacuate. Christmas do's down the drain.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on December 13, 2013, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Bomb in the Cathedral Quarter, hmmmm there's a great plan

Half wits   >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on December 13, 2013, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Bomb in the Cathedral Quarter, hmmmm there's a great plan

A few mates on facebook saying just had their soup and had to evacuate. Christmas do's down the drain.

By the sounds of it they were lucky the soups never ended up all over them!!

Crowd down at the Mac for a panto!! All the kids from Andytown had to be sent home, winning hearts and minds all over the place this crowd lol
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 13, 2013, 10:12:58 PM
work just 50m around the corner, alot of pubs/restaurants in this area, now all closed off. Another christmas dinner ruined for alot of people after the snow out a few yrs back. These pricks sure now how to gather the popularity vote,
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: EC Unique on December 13, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
Disgrace. Serves no cause.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on December 13, 2013, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic

Will be interesting to see how their friends do in the May elections.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic

Pipe bombs and gangland shootings in the Dublin every other night and I don't see the Dubs pissing themselves all over the press.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:54:54 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic

Pipe bombs and gangland shootings in the Dublin every other night and I don't see the Dubs pissing themselves all over the press.

You are a dinosaur for sure, you probably though Omagh was a good idea
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on December 13, 2013, 11:55:20 PM
An absolute disgrace. These people represent the scum of society and nothing else.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Arthur_Friend on December 14, 2013, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic

Pipe bombs and gangland shootings in the Dublin every other night and I don't see the Dubs pissing themselves all over the press.

What point are you trying to make exactly?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DuffleKing on December 14, 2013, 08:15:17 AM

Absolute f**king idiots. Worth pointing out that theyre no more idiotic or despicible than the clowns that were at the same thing under the same delusions in the 80s and 90s.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 14, 2013, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on December 14, 2013, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic

Pipe bombs and gangland shootings in the Dublin every other night and I don't see the Dubs pissing themselves all over the press.

What point are you trying to make exactly?
You would wonder.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 14, 2013, 09:20:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.
Ahem. Please don't get me mixed up with him.....

Defo not, I'm good looking, fit, vertically challenged :P and HS looks like his avatar ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rois on December 14, 2013, 10:16:56 AM
lol sorry both

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.

So anyone that doesent trust the PSNI is a "dinosaur" ?

The last year or so has shown them to be no different than before, apologising to loyalists for rioting in Newtownabbey, not arresting those in the UVF responsible for last years disorder........etc etc
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on December 14, 2013, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 13, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
God help us that another person has to have their Christmas dinner and piss-up ruined. Ulster has moved on from this...

::) ::) and the kids too having their xmas panto ruined also but hey onwards and upwards, freedom only round the corner. I can't wait to see their next tactic

Pipe bombs and gangland shootings in the Dublin every other night and I don't see the Dubs pissing themselves all over the press.
In the middle of Temple Bar, is it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.

So anyone that doesent trust the PSNI is a "dinosaur" ?

The last year or so has shown them to be no different than before, apologising to loyalists for rioting in Newtownabbey, not arresting those in the UVF responsible for last years disorder........etc etc

What a load of balls,they def are not perfect but you seriously saying they are the same as the RUC would colluded to murder 100,s of Nationalists,who led Loyalists into Nationalists areas to attack them.They are no better but no worse than a lot of police around Europe,still bad apples amongst them but big improvement from the past and with people like Ronan Kerr continuing to join they will only get better.I also think you are a dinosaur.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.

So anyone that doesent trust the PSNI is a "dinosaur" ?

The last year or so has shown them to be no different than before, apologising to loyalists for rioting in Newtownabbey, not arresting those in the UVF responsible for last years disorder........etc etc

What a load of balls,they def are not perfect but you seriously saying they are the same as the RUC would colluded to murder 100,s of Nationalists,who led Loyalists into Nationalists areas to attack them.They are no better but no worse than a lot of police around Europe,still bad apples amongst them but big improvement from the past and with people like Ronan Kerr continuing to join they will only get better.I also think you are a dinosaur.

As a Sinn Fein member you have to say that.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.

So anyone that doesent trust the PSNI is a "dinosaur" ?

The last year or so has shown them to be no different than before, apologising to loyalists for rioting in Newtownabbey, not arresting those in the UVF responsible for last years disorder........etc etc

What a load of balls,they def are not perfect but you seriously saying they are the same as the RUC would colluded to murder 100,s of Nationalists,who led Loyalists into Nationalists areas to attack them.They are no better but no worse than a lot of police around Europe,still bad apples amongst them but big improvement from the past and with people like Ronan Kerr continuing to join they will only get better.I also think you are a dinosaur.

As a Sinn Fein member you have to say that.

I don't have to say anything,just think people like you get of easy when you try and tell us nothing has changed.Things have changed big time,more changes needed but that doesn't give us reason to try and kill them or do dismiss those changes as irrelevant.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:40:51 PM
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We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.

So anyone that doesent trust the PSNI is a "dinosaur" ?

The last year or so has shown them to be no different than before, apologising to loyalists for rioting in Newtownabbey, not arresting those in the UVF responsible for last years disorder........etc etc

What a load of balls,they def are not perfect but you seriously saying they are the same as the RUC would colluded to murder 100,s of Nationalists,who led Loyalists into Nationalists areas to attack them.They are no better but no worse than a lot of police around Europe,still bad apples amongst them but big improvement from the past and with people like Ronan Kerr continuing to join they will only get better.I also think you are a dinosaur.

As a Sinn Fein member you have to say that.

I don't have to say anything,just think people like you get of easy when you try and tell us nothing has changed.Things have changed big time,more changes needed but that doesn't give us reason to try and kill them or do dismiss those changes as irrelevant.

I am not talking about killing them, they give loyalists and the UVF in particular free reign, that's what pisses me off.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 14, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: Rois on December 14, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
We had our Christmas party in the Merchant tonight. I was in the Cloth Ear since 5 or so. Funnily enough I met a friend who was also on her Christmas night out. She is a detective in the PSNI. They all left v suddenly to go to another bar and she didn't know why they had to leave. Think it is clear now.  Sickening. There were loads of kids around as HS said.

What sort of people are you associating yourself with ? :(
I hope you're joking

Not at all. A member of an organisation that is rotten to the core.

You should market your dinosaurs to tourists up there.

So anyone that doesent trust the PSNI is a "dinosaur" ?

The last year or so has shown them to be no different than before, apologising to loyalists for rioting in Newtownabbey, not arresting those in the UVF responsible for last years disorder........etc etc

What a load of balls,they def are not perfect but you seriously saying they are the same as the RUC would colluded to murder 100,s of Nationalists,who led Loyalists into Nationalists areas to attack them.They are no better but no worse than a lot of police around Europe,still bad apples amongst them but big improvement from the past and with people like Ronan Kerr continuing to join they will only get better.I also think you are a dinosaur.

As a Sinn Fein member you have to say that.

I don't have to say anything,just think people like you get of easy when you try and tell us nothing has changed.Things have changed big time,more changes needed but that doesn't give us reason to try and kill them or do dismiss those changes as irrelevant.

I am not talking about killing them, they give loyalists and the UVF in particular free reign, that's what pisses me off.

Dissidents seem to have a free reign also by the looks of it, they must have a right few in the cops now
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on December 14, 2013, 03:07:31 PM
There were something like 600 arrests and a lot of young "loyalists" have now criminal records on the back of the protests. If the police had waded in there would have been deaths. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

The only thing i would like to see now is a few more arrests for incitement of hatred as there is plenty of it from a very small minority.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on December 14, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 14, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
I am not talking about killing them, they give loyalists and the UVF in particular free reign, that's what pisses me off.

Just replace 'loyalist' and 'UVF' with 'republican' and 'IRA', and that post would be hoovering up the likes on any of the very best PUL facebook pages.

Different and the same.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:43:50 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.

Omagh=dissdents. No one died during the fleg protests as far as I'm aware. Planting a bomb in the middle of Belfast during the xmas period is trying to have another Omagh = the bit in bold
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.

You've brought the fleg protesters into this debate, as for who in their right mind would want another Omagh?? the same people who planted a bomb in Belfast last night.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.

You've brought the fleg protesters into this debate, as for who in their right mind would want another Omagh?? the same people who planted a bomb in Belfast last night.

Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on December 14, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.
Born early 70s, so you missed the worst years of the troubles (the early 70s), you were under 10 at the time of the hunger strikes, you were in your late teens in the run up to the ceasefires. Yep, you saw plenty.  :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on December 15, 2013, 12:00:33 AM
QuoteBorn early 70s, so you missed the worst years of the troubles (the early 70s), you were under 10 at the time of the hunger strikes, you were in your late teens in the run up to the ceasefires. Yep, you saw plenty

There was a section amount of action in the second half too.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on December 14, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.
Born early 70s, so you missed the worst years of the troubles (the early 70s), you were under 10 at the time of the hunger strikes, you were in your late teens in the run up to the ceasefires. Yep, you saw plenty.  :)

Glad you can be so smug about seeing a man blown to smithereens in front of your eyes and the aftermath on the pavement. Yeah apologies for not being around earlier.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: muppet on December 15, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
One the one hand you have the fleggers trying desperately to start riots, public disorder or anything at all to impose their will on everyone else.

One the other you now have this blatant attempt to start a 'war'.

It actually makes the fleggers look reasonable, which is quite an achievement.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 15, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
One the one hand you have the fleggers trying desperately to start riots, public disorder or anything at all to impose their will on everyone else.

One the other you now have this blatant attempt to start a 'war'.

It actually makes the fleggers look reasonable, which is quite an achievement.

This isn't directed at you muppet

I can deal with riots in Loyalist areas yes sometimes it spills over into Catholic areas and the police should behave a lot better, but if they want to burn down their own shops and cars in their own area whats the problem? This place will always have ones who for their own reasons won't accept change, so get your vote out and make it happen.

Don't be blowing up people in Belfast or any other town for that matter. Most people have moved on
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on December 15, 2013, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 15, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
One the one hand you have the fleggers trying desperately to start riots, public disorder or anything at all to impose their will on everyone else.

One the other you now have this blatant attempt to start a 'war'.

It actually makes the fleggers look reasonable, which is quite an achievement.

This isn't directed at you muppet

I can deal with riots in Loyalist areas yes sometimes it spills over into Catholic areas and the police should behave a lot better, but if they want to burn down their own shops and cars in their own area whats the problem? This place will always have ones who for their own reasons won't accept change, so get your vote out and make it happen.

Don't be blowing up people in Belfast or any other town for that matter. Most people have moved on

Because it isn't their own cars and shops they are burning down. So as long as they keep it in their own areas let them tear away ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?

You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?

You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
Eh, the Omagh bomb was post Good Friday Agreement. Not that it could be justified even if it wasn't. Just as Enniskillen, Bloody Friday and countless others can't.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?

You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
Eh, the Omagh bomb was post Good Friday Agreement. Not that it could be justified even if it wasn't. Just as Enniskillen, Bloody Friday and countless others can't.

Am aware of the dates, you cannot compare 1998 to present day is my point
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?

You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
Eh, the Omagh bomb was post Good Friday Agreement. Not that it could be justified even if it wasn't. Just as Enniskillen, Bloody Friday and countless others can't.

Am aware of the dates, you cannot compare 1998 to present day is my point
You definitely can, in terms of justifying a bomb in the middle of a town or city.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?

You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
Eh, the Omagh bomb was post Good Friday Agreement. Not that it could be justified even if it wasn't. Just as Enniskillen, Bloody Friday and countless others can't.

Am aware of the dates, you cannot compare 1998 to present day is my point
You definitely can, in terms of justifying a bomb in the middle of a town or city.


Who was doing that ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.


The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

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You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
[/quote]

I only quoted the above and i never said they were connected other than dissident activity helps fuel their fires. So I haven't defended them like you said nor have I said there is a connection between them. Being aware of the dates, 98 and now what has drastically changed since then?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 15, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'll go back to your original post above, you brought up the topic of fleg protesters on the dissident thread when others were talking about the bomb left in a busy part of town, I said it's a lot better (policing) than what it was, can you agree on that or do you think it's worse?

"Right because the same conditions exist between the two events. Why so defensive about the fleggers?"


What conditions are different now than Omagh? And where in my posts have I been defensive on the fleggers??

You plant a bomb in town to kill people, it wasn't ok 35 years ago it's still not ok now, are you being defensive of people planting bombs in Belfast?

You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
Eh, the Omagh bomb was post Good Friday Agreement. Not that it could be justified even if it wasn't. Just as Enniskillen, Bloody Friday and countless others can't.

Am aware of the dates, you cannot compare 1998 to present day is my point
You definitely can, in terms of justifying a bomb in the middle of a town or city.


Who was doing that ?
You're arguing that the conditions are different. What does that mean?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.


The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue


You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.
[/quote]

I only quoted the above and i never said they were connected other than dissident activity helps fuel their fires. So I haven't defended them like you said nor have I said there is a connection between them. Being aware of the dates, 98 and now what has drastically changed since then?
[/quote]

Quite simply time. In 98 you had a population the majority of which knew nothing other than the troubles. Now people have had the time so see what the benefits of a relative peace are, plus there was an economic boom in the meantime. The result being that a good number (thankfully) have no desire to go back to the bad old days. Hence my comment about different conditions, perhaps attitudes would have been a better way of putting it. Hope this answers your and Maguires question.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.


The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue


You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.

I only quoted the above and i never said they were connected other than dissident activity helps fuel their fires. So I haven't defended them like you said nor have I said there is a connection between them. Being aware of the dates, 98 and now what has drastically changed since then?
[/quote]

Quite simply time. In 98 you had a population the majority of which knew nothing other than the troubles. Now people have had the time so see what the benefits of a relative peace are, plus there was an economic boom in the meantime. The result being that a good number (thankfully) have no desire to go back to the bad old days. Hence my comment about different conditions, perhaps attitudes would have been a better way of putting it. Hope this answers your and Maguires question.
[/quote]

Apart from the economic boom as we've been in a reccession for a few years
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.


The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue


You suggested that flag protests were connected to dissident activity. I contest that as bullshit. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought. Let me be very clear on the dissidents, they are idiots that represent no one and I hope every bomb they make goes off in their own clueless faces. Is that clear enough ? But I still hold the view that the PSNI / RUC police the 2 communities differently. They always have.

I only quoted the above and i never said they were connected other than dissident activity helps fuel their fires. So I haven't defended them like you said nor have I said there is a connection between them. Being aware of the dates, 98 and now what has drastically changed since then?

Quite simply time. In 98 you had a population the majority of which knew nothing other than the troubles. Now people have had the time so see what the benefits of a relative peace are, plus there was an economic boom in the meantime. The result being that a good number (thankfully) have no desire to go back to the bad old days. Hence my comment about different conditions, perhaps attitudes would have been a better way of putting it. Hope this answers your and Maguires question.
[/quote]

Apart from the economic boom as we've been in a reccession for a few years
[/quote]

What recession? ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on December 15, 2013, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on December 14, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.
Born early 70s, so you missed the worst years of the troubles (the early 70s), you were under 10 at the time of the hunger strikes, you were in your late teens in the run up to the ceasefires. Yep, you saw plenty.  :)

Glad you can be so smug about seeing a man blown to smithereens in front of your eyes and the aftermath on the pavement. Yeah apologies for not being around earlier.
Thought you were sounding like Billy Big Bollix ('so yeah, I saw plenty'), hence my post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on December 16, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on December 15, 2013, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on December 14, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 14, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
When considering the question has the PSNI changed, just ask yourself would the fleg protests still be rattling on if the protagonists were catholic. I believe it would have been squashed in no time if the shoe was on the other foot.

Ok would you prefer the way it was, or can you actually remember it? Not what you heard from someone or read in a book. Living in those times was horrible looking back. The thing is if you've done nothing you've nothing to worry about the police won't bother you, if you're an activist then everything is fair game surely, that's what you've signed up for, collusion doesn't have to be or has been on one side, plenty of murders happened through pillow talk, turned cops and other types. It was a dirty war all round.

But hey lets have another Omagh sure, on to a winner with bombing shoppers, kids women and if you manage to get one cop it will be all worth it.

The fleg protesters are dying out let them have their last go at it as it's only a matter of time before they will eventually disappear, but as long as as the dissidents continue to given them something to throw up then it will continue

Do I remember it ? Born in early 70's so yeah I saw plenty. There were plenty that had done nothing and were given plenty to worry about by the police. As for Omagh etc - what a disgusting comment, who in their right mind would want a repeat of that. The flag protestors are the most bitter entrenched uneducated shower of shit, their reasons for being on the streets is the sum total of feck all to do with dissidents.
Born early 70s, so you missed the worst years of the troubles (the early 70s), you were under 10 at the time of the hunger strikes, you were in your late teens in the run up to the ceasefires. Yep, you saw plenty.  :)

Glad you can be so smug about seeing a man blown to smithereens in front of your eyes and the aftermath on the pavement. Yeah apologies for not being around earlier.
Thought you were sounding like Billy Big Bollix ('so yeah, I saw plenty'), hence my post.

Who ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on December 16, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on December 15, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
. On the Omagh issue the conditions are different because the troubles are now as good as over as opposed to the conditions that existed then. Simple enough I would have thought.
Omagh took place AFTER the GFA was agreed/signed and voted to be accepted by the vast majority of the people of ALL Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on December 17, 2013, 01:09:10 AM
Some genius set himself on fire trying to plant an incendiary device in Belfast city centre. Dicks.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 17, 2013, 08:42:05 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 17, 2013, 01:09:10 AM
Some genius set himself on fire trying to plant an incendiary device in Belfast city centre. Dicks.

Hope hes in agony!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on December 17, 2013, 08:49:21 AM
surely this will be on CCTV if it is in Cornmarket
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: OakleafCounty on December 17, 2013, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 17, 2013, 01:09:10 AM
Some genius set himself on fire trying to plant an incendiary device in Belfast city centre. Dicks.

Hope his burns are serious enough to help him him get caught.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2013, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on December 17, 2013, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 17, 2013, 01:09:10 AM
Some genius set himself on fire trying to plant an incendiary device in Belfast city centre. Dicks.

Hope his burns are serious enough to help him him get caught.

The worst thing about this is that this lad has been brain washed, he thinks these actions will bring about a situation that the political party they are doing this for will get, I don't know, talks with the government and force the brits out of Ireland???

It's been tried before and that was with a lot more support than there is now,  there has been serious political gains (depends on your view off course) and equality in the workplace seems to be addressed, certainly the higher education system is in a better place than 30 years ago also. Things will be slow but change will take place, blowing up or burning city centres won't make changes
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: EC Unique on December 17, 2013, 09:22:51 AM
Nolan on the radio this morning questioning if it were a suicide bomb attempt! Prat!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on December 17, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
These geniuses remind me of a poem about an attempt to blow up a statue of a horse in Phoenix Park in the 50s.

GOUGH'S STATUE

There are strange things done from twelve to one
In the hollow at Phaynix Park,
There's maidens mobbed and gentlemen robbed
In the bushes after dark;
But the strangest of all within human recall
Concerns the statue of Gough,
'Twas a terrible fact, and a most wicked act,
For his bollix they tried to blow off!

'Neath the horse's big p***k a dynamite stick
Some gallant 'hayro' did place,
For the cause of our land, with a match in his hand
Bravely the foe he did face;
Then without showing fear – and standing well clear –
He expected to blow up the pair
But he nearly went crackers, all he got was the knackers
And he made the poor stallion a mare!

For his tactics were wrong, and the p***k was too long
(The horse being more than a foal)
It would answer him better, this dynamite setter,
The stick to shove up his own hole!
For this is the way our 'hayroes' today
Are challenging England's might,
With a stab in the back and a midnight attack
On a statue that can't even shite!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: deiseach on December 17, 2013, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 17, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
For this is the way our 'hayroes' today
Are challenging England's might,
With a stab in the back and a midnight attack
On a statue that can't even shite!

I've heard Brendan Behan quoted, on the occasion of the blowing up of Nelson's Pillar, along the lines of "trust the IRA to blow up a horse that can't shite!" It was a good quip but never made much sense. Nelson wasn't on a horse, was he? And wasn't Behan as dead as Nelson at the time? Now I know where it came from. Much obliged for the enlightenment.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2013, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 17, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
That's it, lift Duffy!!!

Only a matter of time in fairness.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on December 17, 2013, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 17, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
That's it, lift Duffy!!!

Colin Duffy among three terror accused Colin Duffy is charged with IRA membership
Prominent County Armagh republican Colin Duffy has appeared in court charged with IRA membership.

Two other men also appeared at Belfast Magistrate's Court on firearm charges.

In court were Mr Duffy, 46, of Forest Lane, Lurgan, Henry Fitzsimons, 45, of no fixed abode, and 52-year-old Alex McCrory of Sliabh Dubh, Belfast.

Mr Duffy was charged with membership of a proscribed organisation, namely the IRA, between January and December of this year.

Mr McCrory and Mr Fitzsimons were both charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life on 5 December in Belfast.

None of the defendants applied for bail. All three were remanded in custody until 14 January.

Mr Duffy gave a thumbs up sign to supporters who cheered from the public gallery as the three men were led away
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on December 17, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 17, 2013, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 17, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
That's it, lift Duffy!!!

Colin Duffy among three terror accused Colin Duffy is charged with IRA membership
Prominent County Armagh republican Colin Duffy has appeared in court charged with IRA membership.

Two other men also appeared at Belfast Magistrate's Court on firearm charges.

In court were Mr Duffy, 46, of Forest Lane, Lurgan, Henry Fitzsimons, 45, of no fixed abode, and 52-year-old Alex McCrory of Sliabh Dubh, Belfast.

Mr Duffy was charged with membership of a proscribed organisation, namely the IRA, between January and December of this year.

Mr McCrory and Mr Fitzsimons were both charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life on 5 December in Belfast.

None of the defendants applied for bail. All three were remanded in custody until 14 January.

Mr Duffy gave a thumbs up sign to supporters who cheered from the public gallery as the three men were led away

Jesus 3 big hitters accused there. :o
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on December 17, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
I assume it was the American Golf shop that was targeted - are they the enemies of a United Ireland?

Or was the culprit heading for the Joke Shop?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on April 15, 2014, 05:56:53 PM
The security forces seem to be well on top of these lads now. The surveillance seems top notch.

A security alert in County Tyrone, that started after a van was stopped and two men arrested, is now over.

Officers stopped the van on the Corbally Road in Fintona shortly before 02:00 BST on Tuesday and detained two men aged 33 and 45.

Police have said a substantial quantity of material, believed to be fertiliser, was removed from the van and taken away for detailed examination.

People who were moved from their homes have been allowed to return.

Earlier, BBC News NI's reporter Julian Fowler, who was at the scene, said the van was stopped on the road with the rear doors open and Army bomb disposal experts were using two robots to look inside.

"Witnesses have described being woken about 02:30 BST and seeing flares lighting up the surrounding fields," he said.

"They report seeing large numbers of heavily armed police officers in the area. Later, they say, a police helicopter and plane flew over the scene."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on April 16, 2014, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 15, 2014, 05:56:53 PM
The security forces seem to be well on top of these lads now. The surveillance seems top notch.

A security alert in County Tyrone, that started after a van was stopped and two men arrested, is now over.

Officers stopped the van on the Corbally Road in Fintona shortly before 02:00 BST on Tuesday and detained two men aged 33 and 45.

Police have said a substantial quantity of material, believed to be fertiliser, was removed from the van and taken away for detailed examination.

People who were moved from their homes have been allowed to return.

Earlier, BBC News NI's reporter Julian Fowler, who was at the scene, said the van was stopped on the road with the rear doors open and Army bomb disposal experts were using two robots to look inside.

"Witnesses have described being woken about 02:30 BST and seeing flares lighting up the surrounding fields," he said.

"They report seeing large numbers of heavily armed police officers in the area. Later, they say, a police helicopter and plane flew over the scene."

Turns out it was just a couple of boys stealing fertiliser
.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on April 16, 2014, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 16, 2014, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 15, 2014, 05:56:53 PM
The security forces seem to be well on top of these lads now. The surveillance seems top notch.

A security alert in County Tyrone, that started after a van was stopped and two men arrested, is now over.

Officers stopped the van on the Corbally Road in Fintona shortly before 02:00 BST on Tuesday and detained two men aged 33 and 45.

Police have said a substantial quantity of material, believed to be fertiliser, was removed from the van and taken away for detailed examination.

People who were moved from their homes have been allowed to return.

Earlier, BBC News NI's reporter Julian Fowler, who was at the scene, said the van was stopped on the road with the rear doors open and Army bomb disposal experts were using two robots to look inside.

"Witnesses have described being woken about 02:30 BST and seeing flares lighting up the surrounding fields," he said.

"They report seeing large numbers of heavily armed police officers in the area. Later, they say, a police helicopter and plane flew over the scene."

Turns out it was just a couple of boys stealing fertiliser
.

LOL


No feed for the choppers, the flares then. "Surveillance" might ot be as reliable as first thought.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on April 16, 2014, 10:43:29 PM
Why use the title security forces?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on April 16, 2014, 11:11:28 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 16, 2014, 10:43:29 PM
Why use the title security forces?

What should we call them now do you think ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: johnneycool on April 17, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 17, 2014, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 16, 2014, 09:46:07 PMNo feed for the choppers, the flares then. "Surveillance" might ot be as reliable as first thought.
I'm nearly sure there's more to this than meets the eye. I would find it very hard to believe that the police went all guns blazing with a chopper in tow to a back road a couple of miles outside of Fintona at two in the morning if it was just an "ordinary" theft catch, resulting in the bomb squad being called in later as well. Maybe the authorities got a tip off that was accurate in one way but dishonest in another, maybe even a decoy? Something doesn't make sense.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27054836 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27054836)

Charges downscaled to theft and going equipped for theft!!

Thought I saw an old wagtail fertilizer spinner on TV footage the other night and remember thinking to myself that having fertilizer was one thing but you wouldn't need one of those if you were making a bomb!!

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on April 18, 2014, 05:50:24 PM
Former member of CIRA shot dead on Springfield Rd, Belfast
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on April 18, 2014, 08:11:33 PM

Tommy Crossan was shot dead in the grounds of an industrial complex in West Belfast, in full view of surrounding houses, a local representative said.

A priest attended to pray over the bloodied victim in an area long known as a republican heartland but which has been relatively peaceful in recent years following the end of the IRA campaign in 1998.


Crossan was reportedly the Continuity IRA's former leader and was believed to be the subject of a death threat from his former allies.

The organisation has opposed the peace process which largely ended three decades of violence and transformed the region.

The attack happened at the Peter Pan Centre in Springfield Road, the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) said.

The road, one of the main arterial routes, has been closed to traffic.

Family members have arrived and are said to be devastated.

The largely-nationalist area of Belfast is mainly made up of tightly-packed terraced housing estates and businesses.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 09:06:17 PM
Lovely carry on on a Good Friday.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: All of a Sludden on May 25, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
Five arrested in Kilcurry near the Louth/Armagh border with a mortor bomb.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 26, 2014, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 25, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
Five arrested in Kilcurry near the Louth/Armagh border with a mortor bomb.

The cops have got lucky yet again.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: larryin89 on May 26, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2014, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 25, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
Five arrested in Kilcurry near the Louth/Armagh border with a mortor bomb.

The cops have got lucky yet again.

No luck involved,groups are been ran by mi5 , ops never gettin off base, maghaberry fillin up , the whole thing is a total mess. Militant republicanism is just futile at this time.give it up for the love of jaysus.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: WT4E on May 26, 2014, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 26, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2014, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 25, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
Five arrested in Kilcurry near the Louth/Armagh border with a mortor bomb.

The cops have got lucky yet again.

No luck involved,groups are been ran by mi5 , ops never gettin off base, maghaberry fillin up , the whole thing is a total mess. Militant republicanism is just futile at this time.give it up for the love of jaysus.

I think you missed the sarcastic tone of that post! LOL
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 26, 2014, 09:47:51 AM
These lads have not learnt much if any sense :

"Five men – aged between 50 and 70 - were arrested. They are known to gardai and have links to dissident groups and are being held in Dundalk Garda Station."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on May 11, 2016, 11:57:41 PM
What's going on in north/west Belfast these days?  Are these punishment-style attacks a concerted attempt by these guys at a show of strength?  They seem to be almost nightly at the minute and with the two recent killings there's definitely been a marked escalation in activity.  From the news reports it would seem that it's clear to all and sundry in the area who is responsible.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: SHEEDY on January 22, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
Police officer shot in north belfast tonight. Stable in hospital according to reports on twitter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
That will work well with the green and orange election coming up!! Well done guys
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MoChara on January 22, 2017, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
That will work well with the green and orange election coming up!! Well done guys

would be enough to make ya suspicious lol
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2017, 11:07:22 PM
Yeah that's how bad we think things here!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: yellowcard on January 22, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
If it is indeed dissident republicans as expected, then these dimwits are playing right into the hands of the DUP with an election looming. It takes the focus away from RHI and the DUP will now hope to make some political gain out of this incident.

The instability and political vacuum was always likely to pose a threat to peace in the north and a reminder that nothing should be taken for granted. I suspected that there might be a danger of this, with Brexit and government collapse.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
If it is indeed dissident republicans as expected, then these dimwits are playing right into the hands of the DUP with an election looming. It takes the focus away from RHI and the DUP will now hope to make some political gain out of this incident.

The instability and political vacuum was always likely to pose a threat to peace in the north and a reminder that nothing should be taken for granted. I suspected that there might be a danger of this, with Brexit and government collapse.

Dissidents want unstable conditions that's what they thrive on
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on January 22, 2017, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
If it is indeed dissident republicans as expected, then these dimwits are playing right into the hands of the DUP with an election looming. It takes the focus away from RHI and the DUP will now hope to make some political gain out of this incident.

The instability and political vacuum was always likely to pose a threat to peace in the north and a reminder that nothing should be taken for granted. I suspected that there might be a danger of this, with Brexit and government collapse.

Dissidents want unstable conditions that's what they thrive on

Looney dissidents are always about. Unfortunately, the British government is also intent on creating instability.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2017, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2017, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 22, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
If it is indeed dissident republicans as expected, then these dimwits are playing right into the hands of the DUP with an election looming. It takes the focus away from RHI and the DUP will now hope to make some political gain out of this incident.

The instability and political vacuum was always likely to pose a threat to peace in the north and a reminder that nothing should be taken for granted. I suspected that there might be a danger of this, with Brexit and government collapse.

Dissidents want unstable conditions that's what they thrive on

Looney dissidents are always about. Unfortunately, the British government is also intent on creating instability.


By having police officers?? Stick to what happened eh?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2019, 09:08:24 AM
https://www.goqradio.com/news/q-radio-local-news/dissident-republicans-blamed-after-journalist-shot-dead-in-derry-londonderry/
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2019, 09:15:13 AM
Disgusting  >:( Rip
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2019, 09:19:50 AM
No doubt someone will come on and blame the brits
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 19, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
Sickening. What a way to start the Easter holidays.

Violence never was and never will be the answer to our problems.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TheOptimist on April 19, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
They can go F**k themselves. Twisted f**king logic makes them think they are doing the city a service. It was only a matter of time before their recklessness killed an innocent person.

Lyra sounds like a great person.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 19, 2019, 09:34:52 AM
Absolutely disgusting, there's no justification for this. Shower of c***ts.

My deepest sympathies to Lyra's partner, family and friends. Thinking especially of Ziggy who was a very close friend of hers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 19, 2019, 09:42:08 AM
I would class myself as an Irish republican but the people who done this certainly are not. Disgusting. RIP Lyra
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 19, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: TheOptimist on April 19, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
They can go F**k themselves. Twisted f**king logic makes them think they are doing the city a service. It was only a matter of time before their recklessness killed an innocent person.

Lyra sounds like a great person.
So sad
So pointless

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/growing-up-gay-in-belfast-i-used-to-bargain-with-god-not-to-send-me-to-hell-1.2950791
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2019, 10:22:32 AM
RIP Lyra.
Can those fuckin scumbags and any gobshites who support them just  get off the stage.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: J70 on April 19, 2019, 12:17:11 PM
Murderous, lowlife scum.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: balladmaker on April 19, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I can't think of a name or an adjective to encapsulate those who committed this murder.  Whoever pulled the trigger, provided the amo, stored the gun for them, whoever knows the names of the perpetrators but won't hand them over .... they're all as guilty as each other.  A total waste of a young life.  RIP Lyra McKee.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
From what I can gather the peelers went in hard yo stop the locals doing a Rising march. It kicked off, some brain surgeon fired at the cops and hit a civilian who may or may not have bern out protesting. This of course justifies the havy handed police action.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 19, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 19, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I can't think of a name or an adjective to encapsulate those who committed this murder.  Whoever pulled the trigger, provided the amo, stored the gun for them, whoever knows the names of the perpetrators but won't hand them over .... they're all as guilty as each other.  A total waste of a young life.  RIP Lyra McKee.

And isn't that the problem. Within a few parts of Derry, Tyrone and Armagh we have communities willing to provide active and tacit support for those who want to use violence for personal or political gain. They share the guilt of killing this young woman, killing or maiming young Catholic police officers and allowing their young people to be radicalised in the way of the Republican armed struggle like those who went before them. In many ways, we are heading back full circle to 1970s and, even worse, there is even less reason for the use of violent force to never achieve anything but misery and death.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on April 19, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
From what I can gather the peelers went in hard yo stop the locals doing a Rising march. It kicked off, some brain surgeon fired at the cops and hit a civilian who may or may not have bern out protesting. This of course justifies the havy handed police action.

She wasn't protesting she was a journalist.

There's a video going around showing young lads being responsible for the shooting. Cowardly dissident bastards putting guns into the hands of children absolute scumbags!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2019, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
From what I can gather the peelers went in hard yo stop the locals doing a Rising march. It kicked off, some brain surgeon fired at the cops and hit a civilian who may or may not have bern out protesting. This of course justifies the havy handed police action.

WTF post of the year
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2019, 03:33:44 PM
Pathetic
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 03:39:21 PM
Ffs, all of a sudden Arlene and Michelle best friend. Part of the problem thb


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: J70 on April 19, 2019, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 19, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 19, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I can't think of a name or an adjective to encapsulate those who committed this murder.  Whoever pulled the trigger, provided the amo, stored the gun for them, whoever knows the names of the perpetrators but won't hand them over .... they're all as guilty as each other.  A total waste of a young life.  RIP Lyra McKee.

And isn't that the problem. Within a few parts of Derry, Tyrone and Armagh we have communities willing to provide active and tacit support for those who want to use violence for personal or political gain. They share the guilt of killing this young woman, killing or maiming young Catholic police officers and allowing their young people to be radicalised in the way of the Republican armed struggle like those who went before them. In many ways, we are heading back full circle to 1970s and, even worse, there is even less reason for the use of violent force to never achieve anything but misery and death.

Indeed.

Just what exactly do morons like this think they are going to achieve? What's the end game? Have they even thought about it? Is there anything to it beyond the immediate, sick gratification of a few scumbags? Is there basic criminality, whether drugs or smuggling or whatever, involved somehow?

Assuming there has been some modicum of a strategy put forward, the Brits are still there 50 years after the Troubles started, including targeting of England itself. The unionists are not going anywhere. The armed approach didn't work then. Why would it work now, when you don't even have the issue of discrimination or civil rights to try to rationalize starting it?

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 19, 2019, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 19, 2019, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 19, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 19, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I can't think of a name or an adjective to encapsulate those who committed this murder.  Whoever pulled the trigger, provided the amo, stored the gun for them, whoever knows the names of the perpetrators but won't hand them over .... they're all as guilty as each other.  A total waste of a young life.  RIP Lyra McKee.

And isn't that the problem. Within a few parts of Derry, Tyrone and Armagh we have communities willing to provide active and tacit support for those who want to use violence for personal or political gain. They share the guilt of killing this young woman, killing or maiming young Catholic police officers and allowing their young people to be radicalised in the way of the Republican armed struggle like those who went before them. In many ways, we are heading back full circle to 1970s and, even worse, there is even less reason for the use of violent force to never achieve anything but misery and death.

Indeed.

Just what exactly do morons like this think they are going to achieve? What's the end game? Have they even thought about it? Is there anything to it beyond the immediate, sick gratification of a few scumbags? Is there basic criminality, whether drugs or smuggling or whatever, involved somehow?

Assuming there has been some modicum of a strategy put forward, the Brits are still there 50 years after the Troubles started, including targeting of England itself. The unionists are not going anywhere. The armed approach didn't work then. Why would it work now, when you don't even have the issue of discrimination or civil rights to try to rationalize starting it?

It's a disgusting act by scumbags and what can you say to the ladies family. However, the 70s this is not and I'm not sure what purpose such a comparison makes.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 19, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 19, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I can't think of a name or an adjective to encapsulate those who committed this murder.  Whoever pulled the trigger, provided the amo, stored the gun for them, whoever knows the names of the perpetrators but won't hand them over .... they're all as guilty as each other.  A total waste of a young life.  RIP Lyra McKee.

And isn't that the problem. Within a few parts of Derry, Tyrone and Armagh we have communities willing to provide active and tacit support for those who want to use violence for personal or political gain. They share the guilt of killing this young woman, killing or maiming young Catholic police officers and allowing their young people to be radicalised in the way of the Republican armed struggle like those who went before them. In many ways, we are heading back full circle to 1970s and, even worse, there is even less reason for the use of violent force to never achieve anything but misery and death.

Would it not be a case of 'I seen nothing'? Talk to the police over something, and your house gets torched or your windys put in around you, or get put on the waiting list for a new knee.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on April 19, 2019, 04:28:21 PM
Why are all the journalists tripping over themselves to say how friendly they were with her ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
From what I can gather the peelers went in hard yo stop the locals doing a Rising march. It kicked off, some brain surgeon fired at the cops and hit a civilian who may or may not have bern out protesting. This of course justifies the havy handed police action.

She wasn't protesting she was a journalist.

There's a video going around showing young lads being responsible for the shooting. Cowardly dissident b**tards putting guns into the hands of children absolute scumbags!!

Can she not have been both?

I cant speak to veracity, but there us stuff out thrre thst says she was there as a protestor. Which makes the shooter even more inept.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 19, 2019, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
From what I can gather the peelers went in hard yo stop the locals doing a Rising march. It kicked off, some brain surgeon fired at the cops and hit a civilian who may or may not have bern out protesting. This of course justifies the havy handed police action.

She wasn't protesting she was a journalist.

There's a video going around showing young lads being responsible for the shooting. Cowardly dissident b**tards putting guns into the hands of children absolute scumbags!!

Can she not have been both?

I cant speak to veracity, but there us stuff out thrre thst says she was there as a protestor. Which makes the shooter even more inept.
You are 100% wrong. She was standing beside Leona O'Neill (also a journalist) when she was shot. Some hero obviously fired towards police lines and got her instead.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dec on April 19, 2019, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 19, 2019, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 19, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Haven't heard the details. What exactly happened?
From what I can gather the peelers went in hard yo stop the locals doing a Rising march. It kicked off, some brain surgeon fired at the cops and hit a civilian who may or may not have bern out protesting. This of course justifies the havy handed police action.

She wasn't protesting she was a journalist.

There's a video going around showing young lads being responsible for the shooting. Cowardly dissident b**tards putting guns into the hands of children absolute scumbags!!

Can she not have been both?

I cant speak to veracity, but there us stuff out thrre thst says she was there as a protestor. Which makes the shooter even more inept.
You are 100% wrong. She was standing beside Leona O'Neill (also a journalist) when she was shot. Some hero obviously fired towards police lines and got her instead.

How can he be wrong, he said "there us stuff out thrre thst says she was there as a protestor" which certainly convinces me.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 19, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
Lyra was a dear friend of mines and my heart is broken today. Please don't be fueling rumours. In enough pain.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 19, 2019, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 19, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
Lyra was a dear friend of mines and my heart is broken today. Please don't be fueling rumours. In enough pain.

Sorry for your loss
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 19, 2019, 09:15:13 AM
Disgusting  >:( Rip

Didn't take long
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 19, 2019, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 19, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
Lyra was a dear friend of mines and my heart is broken today. Please don't be fueling rumours. In enough pain.

:( sorry ziggy. I know quite a few who know her too and to be honest the whole thing is sickening.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on April 19, 2019, 07:48:02 PM
The Omagh bombing lead to people not pandering to these loonies. Let's hope this tragedy does likewise.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP bastards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 19, 2019, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 19, 2019, 07:48:02 PM
The Omagh bombing lead to people not pandering to these loonies. Let's hope this tragedy does likewise.

You might be right. Omagh put a stop to the "Cokes" since groups like that can't function without a decent amount of support. The Omagh bomb was 21 years ago, so there's a generation of hot-headed lads in their late teens/early twenties who have no memory of how awful that was. If this becomes the Omagh of this generation then I hope it finishes off physical force Republicanism for good and we're not sitting here in 20 years having the same discussion about another atrocity. It's just a shame that something like this has to happen before these people realize they're not playing a f***ing 1st-person shooter video game, and that real people die when you start using deadly weapons in the real world.

What an awful business. RIP.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
It's generating attention/media/publicity. That's what they crave, they couldn't give a rats ass to that ladies death
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 19, 2019, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 19, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
Lyra was a dear friend of mines and my heart is broken today. Please don't be fueling rumours. In enough pain.

Sorry ziggy. Can't make out what these scummy c***ts get out of all this. Appalling act by appalling people. RIP Lyra McKee.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on April 19, 2019, 09:43:54 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup

Maybe just maybe they are truly sickened by what happened and want to show that. You would hope it's more than just opportunism. Maybe I'm naive. f**king sickening act.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 19, 2019, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup

What do you mean "back"?!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: maggie on April 20, 2019, 12:01:29 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 19, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
Lyra was a dear friend of mines and my heart is broken today. Please don't be fueling rumours. In enough pain.

Ziggy-so sorry for your loss. Lyra sounded like an amazing lady who had such a bright future ahead of her. Take care of yourself too as I'm sure the next few days/weeks/months ahead will be very tough. Just heartbreaking. RIP Lyra
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 20, 2019, 12:32:19 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup
Sorry for you loss Zigg. It's actually all our loss In fairness chief that's a load of bollix. SF has steadfastly stood for the peace process and also for the rights of the LGBT and other minorities. I agree that seeing Gregory there was quite sickening given what he stands for but love her or hate her you can't tar ML with the same brush
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 12:59:56 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 20, 2019, 12:32:19 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup
Sorry for you loss Zigg. It's actually all our loss In fairness chief that's a load of bollix. SF has steadfastly stood for the peace process and also for the rights of the LGBT and other minorities. I agree that seeing Gregory there was quite sickening given what he stands for but love her or hate her you can't tar ML with the same brush

Most striking aspect of community event today in creggan was that there was very few locals. Once sinn Féin appeared, people got well put off. And that dear sir is your issue in a nutshell.
Sinn fein have no cred anymore in working class derry. Nobidy believes them. Nobody trusts them. Yes they correctly championed LGBT rights but today was not the time to grab the flag
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 20, 2019, 01:55:09 AM
The economic system gives nothing to ordinary people. SF can't do anything about it.
Violence won't help either. We need a new system.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
Thankfully there are elections coming. Excellent opportunity for the political wing of these people to step forward, explain their actions and set out their economic plan.

We are told time and time again that the Creggan is the poorest electoral ward in UK and this explains or possibly even justifies the support for these armed and active groups. I do not doubt the level of poverty in the area and the real and perceived lack of opportunity. I don't doubt that the current economic system isn't working for a lot of people and there is a lot of such people concentrated in one area.

What I really struggle with is how anyone in the Creggan thinks that sheltering, supporting, providing cover for or indeed taking instructions from a group willing and able to play around with guns and bombs on their doorstep, deal in drugs and enforce gangland punishments on other dealers is ever going to address the economic problems?

Right now playing with guns involves stepping from the shadows and shooting wildly into a crowd. The results are tragic. If the bullet had hit a copper would it have served that community any better?

Time for the people of Creggan to wake up to what's going on.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 20, 2019, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 12:59:56 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 20, 2019, 12:32:19 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup
Sorry for you loss Zigg. It's actually all our loss In fairness chief that's a load of bollix. SF has steadfastly stood for the peace process and also for the rights of the LGBT and other minorities. I agree that seeing Gregory there was quite sickening given what he stands for but love her or hate her you can't tar ML with the same brush

Most striking aspect of community event today in creggan was that there was very few locals. Once sinn Féin appeared, people got well put off. And that dear sir is your issue in a nutshell.
Sinn fein have no cred anymore in working class derry. Nobidy believes them. Nobody trusts them. Yes they correctly championed LGBT rights but today was not the time to grab the flag

Not from the area, only pass through when at matches in Celtic Park. SF certainly have their failings but why the mistrust? Is it purely a socio-economic thing? People feeling they are left behind? Keen to understand.

Young nationalists have a gateway out of poverty through education - some great schools in Derry. Unlike young loyalists who generally aren't so lucky!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I know some from round the "north west" feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn't believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don't know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I know some from round the "north west" feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn't believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don't know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

What alternative to GFA is being offered? Is it simply armed rebellion and a belief that at some point in the future the UK government will say they have witnessed enough killings and cede NI to RoI and just ignore the houls of protest from NI unionists and ignore any legal challenge to the breach of the GFA??  Are we saying that there are people who actually believe this???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
I firmly do not believe this but there are people that do. I would be pretty sure whoever leads this type of organisation does and then peddles it and people believe it. There is probably a wee bit in what seafoid says about socio economic aspects but that is played on by "leaders".  To be honest east Belfast and loyalist paramilitaries probably has the same issue.

The dup don't believe in the gfa either. I don't know what their alternative is mind you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on April 20, 2019, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I know some from round the "north west" feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn't believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don't know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

What alternative to GFA is being offered? Is it simply armed rebellion and a belief that at some point in the future the UK government will say they have witnessed enough killings and cede NI to RoI and just ignore the houls of protest from NI unionists and ignore any legal challenge to the breach of the GFA??  Are we saying that there are people who actually believe this???

At this stage nationalism is doing ok, this is not 1969. These loonies are like the thick GAA player who insists on a pointless clatter at the opposition even though his team are winning.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 20, 2019, 03:37:39 PM
And especially when Arlene and DUPUDA are furthering the cause of an All Ireland State so well.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 20, 2019, 05:48:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I know some from round the "north west" feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn't believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don't know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

Stuff about the South being allied with the Brits plus pointless violence reminds me of Dessie O'Hare

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/the-life-and-crimes-of-dessie-o-hare-border-fox-1.3857421?mode=amp

"The veteran journalist Diarmaid McDermott was in court that day 31 years ago as he was again last Thursday. He recalled O'Hare's "rambling rant" from the same dock where Robert Emmet made his famous speech in 1803.
Pronouncing the name of the "Irish Revolutionary Brigade" O'Hare called for "republicans" to turn their guns on Irish judges, prison officers, members of the Defence Forces and gardaí. 
He attacked the leadership of the Provisional IRA accusing them of being "quasi republican". 
He ended his tirade with the words "may all my deeds reverberate until bloody war is waged against the British and their southern allies".

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on April 20, 2019, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Yeah I echo what you are saying about all the journalists on Twitter, reeks of opportunism from quite a few of them
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
I firmly do not believe this but there are people that do. I would be pretty sure whoever leads this type of organisation does and then peddles it and people believe it. There is probably a wee bit in what seafoid says about socio economic aspects but that is played on by "leaders".  To be honest east Belfast and loyalist paramilitaries probably has the same issue.

The dup don't believe in the gfa either. I don't know what their alternative is mind you.

All this beggars belief. Anyone who thinks that armed aggression will lead to a United ireland is criminally stupid. If they put their beliefs into action they are criminal and stupid.

It's extremely difficult to buy into the concept that within the creggan there is a sizeable group so thick to think that a United Ireland can be achieved by armed aggression or so thick to think that their economic woes can be addressed by (fatal) pop shots at authority. Surely the people of the Creggan have more about them????
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 20, 2019, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I know some from round the "north west" feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn't believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don't know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

What alternative to GFA is being offered? Is it simply armed rebellion and a belief that at some point in the future the UK government will say they have witnessed enough killings and cede NI to RoI and just ignore the houls of protest from NI unionists and ignore any legal challenge to the breach of the GFA??  Are we saying that there are people who actually believe this???

At this stage nationalism is doing ok, this is not 1969. These loonies are like the thick GAA player who insists on a pointless clatter at the opposition even though his team are winning.

Nationalists are doing ok but is nationalism???

GFA basically precludes a unitary state and any fool can see armed aggression cannot delivery a United Ireland. What is nationalism arguing for???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2019, 05:48:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I know some from round the "north west" feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn't believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don't know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

Stuff about the South being allied with the Brits plus pointless violence reminds me of Dessie O'Hare

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/the-life-and-crimes-of-dessie-o-hare-border-fox-1.3857421?mode=amp

"The veteran journalist Diarmaid McDermott was in court that day 31 years ago as he was again last Thursday. He recalled O'Hare's "rambling rant" from the same dock where Robert Emmet made his famous speech in 1803.
Pronouncing the name of the "Irish Revolutionary Brigade" O'Hare called for "republicans" to turn their guns on Irish judges, prison officers, members of the Defence Forces and gardaí.
He attacked the leadership of the Provisional IRA accusing them of being "quasi republican".
He ended his tirade with the words "may all my deeds reverberate until bloody war is waged against the British and their southern allies".

Unfortunately Dessie's rambling rants come at too high a price. Forcing innocent people to smuggle him to his kill sites always rankled with me. Whenever I read of him today I always think "what an absolute ****". I think of innocent members of my own family who went to their grave tortured to the end that they unwittingly had played a part in his slaughtering. As I say - unmitigated ****. Destroyed so much. Built and achieved nothing. ****. ****. ****. ****.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Donaldson a homophobe???? Hypocrite yes. Homophobe no
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Donaldson a homophobe???? Hypocrite yes. Homophobe no

Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

What's the difference between Aontu and SF - apart from the abortion issue.

Are the independents not linked to disdents in Derry or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

What's the difference between Aontu and SF - apart from the abortion issue.

Are the independents not linked to disdents in Derry or am I mistaken?

Sfs stance on abortion pissed a lot of people off plus mccloskey is well respected in the community

No not all independents linked to dissidents , some no links at all and others have moved away from them in recent years

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2019, 10:50:36 PM
Good to see normality has kicked in
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

What's the difference between Aontu and SF - apart from the abortion issue.

Are the independents not linked to disdents in Derry or am I mistaken?

Sfs stance on abortion pissed a lot of people off plus mccloskey is well respected in the community

No not all independents linked to dissidents , some no links at all and others have moved away from them in recent years

Ok SW. Thanks for  that.  It'll be interesting to see what happens in May.  Fight for final seat could be interesting.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

So do you seriously want to debate again set my assertion that the DUP are anti gay dinosaurs. WTF.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 12:25:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

What's the difference between Aontu and SF - apart from the abortion issue.

Are the independents not linked to disdents in Derry or am I mistaken?

Sfs stance on abortion pissed a lot of people off plus mccloskey is well respected in the community

No not all independents linked to dissidents , some no links at all and others have moved away from them in recent years

Ok SW. Thanks for  that.  It'll be interesting to see what happens in May.  Fight for final seat could be interesting.

I'm sure the little spides and hoods in creggan are raging against SF stance on abortion. Aontu will be obliterated north and south in my opinion.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 21, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Are you going to tell me Donaldson isn't homophobic
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 20, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Donaldson a homophobe???? Hypocrite yes. Homophobe no

Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

I'm not being pedantic. I'm distinguishing between the DUP in general and a member of DUP.

I don't doubt that DUP are a socially regressive party stocked to the gills with homophobes. I don't think Wee Jeffrey is homophobic but on occasion he plays the Bible Belt and pretends that LGBT rights intrude on the rights of Christians. He doesn't actually believe that crap. But by saying that he is a week hypocrite.

Nobody could doubt that say Phil Flanagan has a dangerously low IQ or that Francie Molloy or Pat Doherty are completely incompetent but it is possible to point that out without saying that every member of SF is a useless thicko. Or is that pedantry?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:27:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 12:25:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

What's the difference between Aontu and SF - apart from the abortion issue.

Are the independents not linked to disdents in Derry or am I mistaken?

Sfs stance on abortion pissed a lot of people off plus mccloskey is well respected in the community

No not all independents linked to dissidents , some no links at all and others have moved away from them in recent years

Ok SW. Thanks for  that.  It'll be interesting to see what happens in May.  Fight for final seat could be interesting.

I'm sure the little spides and hoods in creggan are raging against SF stance on abortion. Aontu will be obliterated north and south in my opinion.

Completely agree.

Aontu are SF + the power of prayer. Or in other words feck all squared
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 08:31:27 AM
Sorry but I don't buy that. It's like joining the KKK and saying I'm not really a racist I'm just bring politically smart. Nonsense.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on April 21, 2019, 08:48:42 AM
Brass neck. (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/revolutionary-party-saoradh-in-paramilitary-parade-through-dublin-1.3867379)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:03:39 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 08:31:27 AM
Sorry but I don't buy that. It's like joining the KKK and saying I'm not really a racist I'm just bring politically smart. Nonsense.

You can buy it or not. Not my concern.

Your example is flawed though. KKK are single issue and not standing for election. You are either into race hate, arson and dressing up or you're not. Join or don't join are the options.

DUP offer a career and therefore hold an an attraction to careerists including hypocritical careerists. These guys need to sound the dog whistle now and again to keep that regressive minority with a high turn out turning out for them.

This not something I'm defending. Just trying to be accurate in my condemnation.

Or we just resort to basic sloganeering. It's essentially what SF and DUP want us to do as they are the big winners
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 21, 2019, 09:11:32 AM
Interesting pictures coming from Derry overnight - especially the free Derry corner wall.

I think New/Real/Continuity time as a whole, whatever umbrella grouping it is....is coming to an end,

This attack was pathetic, pointless and ultmately looks like imploding themselves and it looks like swift justice will be done if they've arrested two lads so quick for this, assuming these are the right arrests - just goes to show that this organisation whatever or whoever they want to be called are absolutely riddled already with people willing to give them up and rightly so.

Now, the major question I have and always have - how can they not nail the main players here. We all can name the names. That will finish this absolute nonsense wholly for now. (I'll assume there will always be resistance in this form in Ireland, unfortunately) And it might save some young lads going down a route they've no need to by manipulative masters who look immune from prosecution by hook or crook.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 21, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 12:25:52 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn't anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he's a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

What's the difference between Aontu and SF - apart from the abortion issue.

Are the independents not linked to disdents in Derry or am I mistaken?

Sfs stance on abortion pissed a lot of people off plus mccloskey is well respected in the community

No not all independents linked to dissidents , some no links at all and others have moved away from them in recent years

Ok SW. Thanks for  that.  It'll be interesting to see what happens in May.  Fight for final seat could be interesting.

I'm sure the little spides and hoods in creggan are raging against SF stance on abortion. Aontu will be obliterated north and south in my opinion.

Yes but I quoted a combination of independents plus pbp and aontú, local elections can paint a very different picture, not sure aontú have the budget to push a big nationwide campaign, the one candidate in Derry apparently almost self financing it, but Ballyarnett will be interesting , it includes Shantallow, galliagh , carnhill, skeoge and Culmore.

6 seater with Sinn Féin standing 4 candidates , sdlp 3 plus a strong independent, strong pbp and strong aontú candidate
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

Ok, so let's SF just walk into to government tomorrow with no compromise. Tell me what happens next. Do the dissidents just vanish. There is no logic to what you say.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Parties that participated in Government  have been getting wiped out over the last decade in Ireland, France, Italy,Greece and soon the U.K.Also Labour in Scotland.

SF have no answer to austerity. Nobody votes for austerity
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 21, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Most people don't vote for or against austerity though in ni seafoid. You are trying to apply economics to an electorate who don't necessarily take into account economics when they vote. Maybe 32 county wide but certainly not 6 county wide.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

But in relation to the ILA SF have not adopted an extreme position, but one that is so dilute as to be almost invisible.
There is no symmetry here.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

When SF pulled the pin on Stormont, they had the backing of the nationalist community - they should have pulled it down 12months before hand.  The DUP were out of control and there was no 'powersharing'. SF were compromising i.e. Martin McG going above and beyond but the aDUP didn't return the favour.

That's why SF pulled Stormont and don't want to go back.  They know the way the DUP played their game and SF believe their voters will not forgive them again.

The way you make it out is one side is as bad as the other!!

I think Martin McG honestly tried to make it work but the true ethos of the DUP has shone through.

So for me, it's no return to Stormont. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sheugh Water on April 21, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

When SF pulled the pin on Stormont, they had the backing of the nationalist community - they should have pulled it down 12months before hand.  The DUP were out of control and there was no 'powersharing'. SF were compromising i.e. Martin McG going above and beyond but the aDUP didn't return the favour.

That's why SF pulled Stormont and don't want to go back.  They know the way the DUP played their game and SF believe their voters will not forgive them again.

The way you make it out is one side is as bad as the other!!

I think Martin McG honestly tried to make it work but the true ethos of the DUP has shone through.

So for me, it's no return to Stormont. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

Although I agree with your sentiments on DUP and that a stand had to be taken, it unfortunately is not helping areas like Creggan.

Derry and west of the Bann continue to be cut adrift in the meantime with an MP who hasn't got a clue at the helm. Very weak politician.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

Ok, so let's SF just walk into to government tomorrow with no compromise. Tell me what happens next. Do the dissidents just vanish. There is no logic to what you say.

Did anybody claim that the dissidents would disappear?? What is your logic for even posing such a an incredible question???

SF have to set out something for the people of NI. Good luck to them if their long term strategy is simply to dodge decision making. Same applies to DUP
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

But in relation to the ILA SF have not adopted an extreme position, but one that is so dilute as to be almost invisible.
There is no symmetry here.

I wasn't aware that SF had abandoned quotas. My local representatives refuse to rule it out and are actually arguing for it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 11:50:43 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

When SF pulled the pin on Stormont, they had the backing of the nationalist community - they should have pulled it down 12months before hand.  The DUP were out of control and there was no 'powersharing'. SF were compromising i.e. Martin McG going above and beyond but the aDUP didn't return the favour.

That's why SF pulled Stormont and don't want to go back.  They know the way the DUP played their game and SF believe their voters will not forgive them again.

The way you make it out is one side is as bad as the other!!

I think Martin McG honestly tried to make it work but the true ethos of the DUP has shone through.

So for me, it's no return to Stormont. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

So direct rule in perpetuity??? That's the default. In that scenario the NI electorate outsource voting to the c60m in GB. Brilliant
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.

And the alternative to Stormont remains direct rule. SF and DUP must really like how things are shaping up in Westminster to trust that in perpetuity
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Most people don't vote for or against austerity though in ni seafoid. You are trying to apply economics to an electorate who don't necessarily take into account economics when they vote. Maybe 32 county wide but certainly not 6 county wide.

Cuts drive people mad, Itchy. So does the absence of payrises coupled with inflation .
It is the same everywhere.
Political parties fail when voters perceive them to be impotent. Ask FF

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 11:57:42 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 21, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

When SF pulled the pin on Stormont, they had the backing of the nationalist community - they should have pulled it down 12months before hand.  The DUP were out of control and there was no 'powersharing'. SF were compromising i.e. Martin McG going above and beyond but the aDUP didn't return the favour.

That's why SF pulled Stormont and don't want to go back.  They know the way the DUP played their game and SF believe their voters will not forgive them again.

The way you make it out is one side is as bad as the other!!

I think Martin McG honestly tried to make it work but the true ethos of the DUP has shone through.

So for me, it's no return to Stormont. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

Although I agree with your sentiments on DUP and that a stand had to be taken, it unfortunately is not helping areas like Creggan.

Derry and west of the Bann continue to be cut adrift in the meantime with an MP who hasn't got a clue at the helm. Very weak politician.

Derry has always been neglected - an MP won't do that much in fairness.  Very hard to reverse this history of unemployment etc. inside a few years.

Good business' in Derry and hopefully the university will get the medical school.  I'm thinking Brexit is a big issue with the natural hinterland of Donegal close by.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.

The question is then why do people vote for them in massive numbers? 

No point in saying they are useless - why are they useless?

I've asked this question before - if SF are not the answer, what type of party do nationalists want going forward?

The answers I got were - I don't like SF as they're no good etc.  but no one has said I want a party who does A, B and C etc.

It's like Brexit in London - everybody says what they're against but nobody says what they are for!

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

Ok, so let's SF just walk into to government tomorrow with no compromise. Tell me what happens next. Do the dissidents just vanish. There is no logic to what you say.

Did anybody claim that the dissidents would disappear?? What is your logic for even posing such a an incredible question???

SF have to set out something for the people of NI. Good luck to them if their long term strategy is simply to dodge decision making. Same applies to DUP

My logic is that quite a few have laid some blame at Sinn Fein door for what happened in Creggan, that what I was talking about in my first post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on April 21, 2019, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.

The question is then why do people vote for them in massive numbers? 

No point in saying they are useless - why are they useless?

I've asked this question before - if SF are not the answer, what type of party do nationalists want going forward?

The answers I got were - I don't like SF as they're no good etc.  but no one has said I want a party who does A, B and C etc.

It's like Brexit in London - everybody says what they're against but nobody says what they are for!

the usual suspects. Sinn Fein Are Pricks. Useless shower bla bla bla bla. Set your own party up lads. This place will never have normal politics unfortunately. It's abnormal. Partition has failed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 21, 2019, 06:31:56 PM
MTV now being brought in to the analysis as being responsible for the orchestrated riot when dozens of petrol bombs were ready at hand when the PSNI turned up.  MTV doing a programme on disaffected youth and had contact with those able to bring a riot to the streets:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/21/new-ira-staged-derry-riot-to-impress-tv-presenter-reggie-yates (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/21/new-ira-staged-derry-riot-to-impress-tv-presenter-reggie-yates)

Wouldn't be the first riot for the cameras.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.

The question is then why do people vote for them in massive numbers?

No point in saying they are useless - why are they useless?


I've asked this question before - if SF are not the answer, what type of party do nationalists want going forward?

The answers I got were - I don't like SF as they're no good etc.  but no one has said I want a party who does A, B and C etc.

It's like Brexit in London - everybody says what they're against but nobody says what they are for!

Because of sectarian voting.

SF and DUP don't have to do anything when they get voted in. They just point a finger at themmuns, and that rises their voters out yet again.

The DUP do hold the aces as long as NI exists. They don't have to work with SF, and if all goes tits up, it's back to London. And they don't care how much London f**k up this place, because at least they're still part of the uk, and they don't have to share/talk with SF.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.

The question is then why do people vote for them in massive numbers?

No point in saying they are useless - why are they useless?


I've asked this question before - if SF are not the answer, what type of party do nationalists want going forward?

The answers I got were - I don't like SF as they're no good etc.  but no one has said I want a party who does A, B and C etc.

It's like Brexit in London - everybody says what they're against but nobody says what they are for!

Because of sectarian voting.

SF and DUP don't have to do anything when they get voted in. They just point a finger at themmuns, and that rises their voters out yet again.

The DUP do hold the aces as long as NI exists. They don't have to work with SF, and if all goes tits up, it's back to London. And they don't care how much London f**k up this place, because at least they're still part of the uk, and they don't have to share/talk with SF.

All well and good but I need better reasons than that - because they are sectarian etc.  That's a general throw away comment.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on April 22, 2019, 12:37:40 AM
Sectarian voting is the reason though... how many points from Sinn Fein's Or the DUP's last manifesto do you think the average voter remembers or really cares about?

Where I'm from you vote Sinn Fein to keep the numbers up so the other side don't get in and that's it. There's been any number of independent candidates who are decent people and stood for honourable things but have barely reached triple figures because of some halfwit whose every other line is "but what about the DUP"

I honestly don't see a way out of this other than the leadership of the SDLP or Ulster Unionists getting some brains and charisma into leadership positions.

I won't hold my breath!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 22, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2019, 12:37:40 AM
Sectarian voting is the reason though... how many points from Sinn Fein's Or the DUP's last manifesto do you think the average voter remembers or really cares about?

Where I'm from you vote Sinn Fein to keep the numbers up so the other side don't get in and that's it. There's been any number of independent candidates who are decent people and stood for honourable things but have barely reached triple figures because of some halfwit whose every other line is "but what about the DUP"

I honestly don't see a way out of this other than the leadership of the SDLP or Ulster Unionists getting some brains and charisma into leadership positions.

I won't hold my breath!

People have choices on how they want to vote so it's up to them.  People who snipe on the sidelines like 'one side is as bad as the other etc. doesn't work.

I've said this before - every election from now on will be a sectarian headcount. 

DUP V SF.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 22, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 22, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2019, 12:37:40 AM
Sectarian voting is the reason though... how many points from Sinn Fein's Or the DUP's last manifesto do you think the average voter remembers or really cares about?

Where I'm from you vote Sinn Fein to keep the numbers up so the other side don't get in and that's it. There's been any number of independent candidates who are decent people and stood for honourable things but have barely reached triple figures because of some halfwit whose every other line is "but what about the DUP"

I honestly don't see a way out of this other than the leadership of the SDLP or Ulster Unionists getting some brains and charisma into leadership positions.

I won't hold my breath!

People have choices on how they want to vote so it's up to them.  People who snipe on the sidelines like 'one side is as bad as the other etc. doesn't work.

I've said this before - every election from now on will be a sectarian headcount. 

DUP V SF.

But they are as bad as each other.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 22, 2019, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 22, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 22, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2019, 12:37:40 AM
Sectarian voting is the reason though... how many points from Sinn Fein's Or the DUP's last manifesto do you think the average voter remembers or really cares about?

Where I'm from you vote Sinn Fein to keep the numbers up so the other side don't get in and that's it. There's been any number of independent candidates who are decent people and stood for honourable things but have barely reached triple figures because of some halfwit whose every other line is "but what about the DUP"

I honestly don't see a way out of this other than the leadership of the SDLP or Ulster Unionists getting some brains and charisma into leadership positions.

I won't hold my breath!

People have choices on how they want to vote so it's up to them.  People who snipe on the sidelines like 'one side is as bad as the other etc. doesn't work.

I've said this before - every election from now on will be a sectarian headcount. 

DUP V SF.

But they are as bad as each other.

Ok. I take it you've an interest in politics but do you vote?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 22, 2019, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 22, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 22, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2019, 12:37:40 AM
Sectarian voting is the reason though... how many points from Sinn Fein's Or the DUP's last manifesto do you think the average voter remembers or really cares about?

Where I'm from you vote Sinn Fein to keep the numbers up so the other side don't get in and that's it. There's been any number of independent candidates who are decent people and stood for honourable things but have barely reached triple figures because of some halfwit whose every other line is "but what about the DUP"

I honestly don't see a way out of this other than the leadership of the SDLP or Ulster Unionists getting some brains and charisma into leadership positions.

I won't hold my breath!

People have choices on how they want to vote so it's up to them.  People who snipe on the sidelines like 'one side is as bad as the other etc. doesn't work.

I've said this before - every election from now on will be a sectarian headcount. 

DUP V SF.

But they are as bad as each other.

I don't believe that. As an Irish republican I would welcome protestants into a united Ireland. The DUP and their ilk would beat down any minority like they have done for decades. There may be elements in SF that are as bad but I don't think that's representative of the whole party. Frankly I hate this " 2 sides to the coin" crap. Another one you hear is people comparing GAA in north to the Orange order.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2019, 06:18:43 PM
Every election is a sectarian headcount, and there lies the problem. Even in a moderate middle class prodestant area, a local grammar school (which will remain nameless) the kids have their folders covered in union jacks, joining flute bands and are as sectarian as they were 30 years ago with no reason to be other than whats been taught to them by their peers (Parents)

Now what chance do kids in an area of high unemployment have if well looked after kids (and well educated kids at that) are sectarian? Its bred into people, thats the sad part, I don't know how many generations it will take to dilute this but I can't see it in our lifetime

as for the 'both sides' are at it, well if one side continues with an armed struggle and marches in paramilitary uniforms and have riots and kill innocent people or police or wardens then it will be both side are as bad as each other.. the moderates are not listened too, only the extremists, empty vessels and all that..
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on April 22, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2019, 06:18:43 PM
Every election is a sectarian headcount, and there lies the problem. Even in a moderate middle class prodestant area, a local grammar school (which will remain nameless) the kids have their folders covered in union jacks, joining flute bands and are as sectarian as they were 30 years ago with no reason to be other than whats been taught to them by their peers (Parents)

Now what chance do kids in an area of high unemployment have if well looked after kids (and well educated kids at that) are sectarian? Its bred into people, thats the sad part, I don't know how many generations it will take to dilute this but I can't see it in our lifetime

as for the sides are at it, well if one side continues with an armed struggle and marches in paramilitary uniforms and have riots and kill innocent people or police or wardens then it will be both side are as bad as each other.. the moderates are not listened to only the extremists, empty vessels and all that..
How does having a a Union Jack on your folder make you sectarian?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2019, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 22, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2019, 06:18:43 PM
Every election is a sectarian headcount, and there lies the problem. Even in a moderate middle class prodestant area, a local grammar school (which will remain nameless) the kids have their folders covered in union jacks, joining flute bands and are as sectarian as they were 30 years ago with no reason to be other than whats been taught to them by their peers (Parents)

Now what chance do kids in an area of high unemployment have if well looked after kids (and well educated kids at that) are sectarian? Its bred into people, thats the sad part, I don't know how many generations it will take to dilute this but I can't see it in our lifetime

as for the sides are at it, well if one side continues with an armed struggle and marches in paramilitary uniforms and have riots and kill innocent people or police or wardens then it will be both side are as bad as each other.. the moderates are not listened to only the extremists, empty vessels and all that..
How does having a a Union Jack on your folder make you sectarian?

It's what they are saying also, taigs fenians and let's go stone the Celtic shop in town! I could go on but to me, 14 year olds saying those things is rotten and will only get worse ..
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 23, 2019, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:03:39 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 08:31:27 AM
Sorry but I don't buy that. It's like joining the KKK and saying I'm not really a racist I'm just bring politically smart. Nonsense.

You can buy it or not. Not my concern.

Your example is flawed though. KKK are single issue and not standing for election. You are either into race hate, arson and dressing up or you're not. Join or don't join are the options.

DUP offer a career and therefore hold an an attraction to careerists including hypocritical careerists. These guys need to sound the dog whistle now and again to keep that regressive minority with a high turn out turning out for them.

This not something I'm defending. Just trying to be accurate in my condemnation.

Or we just resort to basic sloganeering. It's essentially what SF and DUP want us to do as they are the big winners

This is a fair point. I said he was homophobic and that was due to his membership of the DUP. Maybe he himself isn't
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 23, 2019, 09:59:52 AM
An apology has been issued for McKee's death and they won't shoot so indiscriminately again. Ah that's grand so >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MoChara on April 23, 2019, 10:05:39 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 23, 2019, 09:59:52 AM
An apology has been issued for McKee's death and they won't shoot so indiscriminately again. Ah that's grand so >:(

ah now, be fair haven't we all killed someone by accident when we were trying to kill someone else.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 10:06:43 AM
Time they just disbanded and fckd off for themselves.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 23, 2019, 01:44:37 PM
Cos you have to "Save Ulster From Sodomy".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 05:10:48 PM
So why do some people think gay people shouldn't have all human rights?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Have any prominent SF members spoke out against marriage equality etc in the past?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 23, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 21, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Sinn Féin have little choice but to reform welfare as that is the amount of money they have. The question should be, have they a plan to improve the economy to get people off welfare?

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Why be pedantic. They are against rights for gay people. Call it what you will.

The oldest trick in the book to prevent debate. Come up with an all-encompassing label and if anyone disputes this call them pedantic. Hence if you oppose the Israeli government you are "anti-semitic", if you oppose Brexit you are "anti-British" etc.

Being in Government now is suboptimal. It's Berlin or London's way or it's the Shinners' way.
The Met Police in London had £850m of austerity cuts. The neoliberals even do it to law and order.
Sinn Féin will put the lotion on its skin unless it wants the hose again.

Any party that sees being in government during difficult times as suboptimal is not worth voting for. It's the antithesis of public service and leadership. It self serving cowardice

More nonsense. To be in government in the north needs both parties able to compromise. It's 100% clear that DUP have refused to compromise so by your logic in that case SF should just abandon their position and go into government anyway. And tell me then how will their core vote feel about them then, what sort of vacuum would it create and who might exploit that vacuum. Nonsensical post.

Which fig leaf are SF abstaining from government on? ILA or RHI? RHI will have washed through by Autumn at the latest. That leaves ILA. A fig leaf for both  parties to dodge responsibility. Each adopt extreme positions that the other can point to as unreasonable and we just sit around and wait. The people can only let this shower away it for so long. Or maybe you think it is sensible to sit and wait?

Ok, so let's SF just walk into to government tomorrow with no compromise. Tell me what happens next. Do the dissidents just vanish. There is no logic to what you say.

Did anybody claim that the dissidents would disappear?? What is your logic for even posing such a an incredible question???

SF have to set out something for the people of NI. Good luck to them if their long term strategy is simply to dodge decision making. Same applies to DUP

My logic is that quite a few have laid some blame at Sinn Fein door for what happened in Creggan, that what I was talking about in my first post.

Well at least we can agree that nobody said the dissidents would vanish.

The connection to SF is this. Dissidents prey on those who see no future for themselves. The electorally successful (but failing in the sense of achieving anything) political parties are in part to blame and SF are the one of the two party duocracy that would claim to represent the Creggan. Nothing earth shattering there
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 23, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 21, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Stormont is finished.

The DUP know if they go to talks, they will have to climb down on ILA, gay rights and abortion issues. Of course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.

So what are the DUP getting if they return? Those are the 3 outstanding issues. They'll be made to look weak and cowardly. They know these 3 things will be passed in time, but better to let their British masters do that dirty work than they themselves.

Anyway, Stormont returning is pointless. DUP and SF are as bad as each other. A shower of pricks, the lot of them.

The question is then why do people vote for them in massive numbers?

No point in saying they are useless - why are they useless?


I've asked this question before - if SF are not the answer, what type of party do nationalists want going forward?

The answers I got were - I don't like SF as they're no good etc.  but no one has said I want a party who does A, B and C etc.

It's like Brexit in London - everybody says what they're against but nobody says what they are for!

Because of sectarian voting.

SF and DUP don't have to do anything when they get voted in. They just point a finger at themmuns, and that rises their voters out yet again.

The DUP do hold the aces as long as NI exists. They don't have to work with SF, and if all goes tits up, it's back to London. And they don't care how much London f**k up this place, because at least they're still part of the uk, and they don't have to share/talk with SF.

All well and good but I need better reasons than that - because they are sectarian etc.  That's a general throw away comment.

It's not throw away. It's the current reality.

The current system for selecting the FM encourages it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 23, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

It's a bit like race hate used to be
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 22, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
How does having a a Union Jack on your folder make you sectarian?

Are you serious? Kids in England don't exactly plaster their schoolbooks in Union Jacks, paint their kerbstones red white and blue, or parade around the place to assert how British they are. NI prods make a point of being more British than the British themselves.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

So it didn't pass by 100%. Thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 22, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
How does having a a Union Jack on your folder make you sectarian?

Are you serious? Kids in England don't exactly plaster their schoolbooks in Union Jacks, paint their kerbstones red white and blue, or parade around the place to assert how British they are. NI prods make a point of being more British than the British themselves.
So would kids in Northern Ireland having an Ireland flag on their folder make them sectarian?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

So it didn't pass by 100%. Thanks for letting us know.

Read Rossfan's post again. That's what I was replying to.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

So it didn't pass by 100%. Thanks for letting us know.

Read Rossfan's post again. That's what I was replying to.
I see.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Have any prominent SF members spoke out against marriage equality etc in the past?

I'm not sure, but all SF party members had to tow the line on abortion. Which was why Francie Brolly (could have been more) left the party.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 23, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Have any prominent SF members spoke out against marriage equality etc in the past?

Not to my knowledge but I don't think they were always as pro LGBT rights as they are now
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 23, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Have any prominent SF members spoke out against marriage equality etc in the past?

Not to my knowledge but I don't think they were always as pro LGBT rights as they are now

Populist bandwagon, and all that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MoChara on April 23, 2019, 09:45:41 PM
If it's any consolation to yous I think all the dissident groups are pro-gay rights
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

I don't recall them campaigning for gay rights 20 years ago.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 23, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

I don't recall them campaigning for gay rights 20 years ago.

The world has moved on, well most of the world. There are still a few backward fools who think that obscure passages in an ancient much edited book should guide them instead. But like all slow learners they'll eventually get it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on April 23, 2019, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

Isn't it sad that the term 'human rights' is bandied to score points on a discussion board?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

I don't recall them campaigning for gay rights 20 years ago.

The world has moved on, well most of the world. There are still a few backward fools who think that obscure passages in an ancient much edited book should guide them instead. But like all slow learners they'll eventually get it.

To be fair, that's not the reason why everyone is against these gay rights/marriage.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on April 23, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 23, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Have any prominent SF members spoke out against marriage equality etc in the past?

Not to my knowledge but I don't think they were always as pro LGBT rights as they are now

Populist bandwagon, and all that.

Have thought the same with SF the past few years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 24, 2019, 01:06:28 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

I don't recall them campaigning for gay rights 20 years ago.

The world has moved on, well most of the world. There are still a few backward fools who think that obscure passages in an ancient much edited book should guide them instead. But like all slow learners they'll eventually get it.

To be fair, that's not the reason why everyone is against these gay rights/marriage.

So what is the other reason(s).

PS I'm no Biblical scholar but I don't recall  any references to Jesus outlawing homosexualism.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2019, 01:37:39 AM
20. Try having no political opinion on the issue even 5yrs ago. Now try to portrait themselves as the only party chasing parity of esteem.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 07:34:46 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 23, 2019, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

Isn't it sad that the term 'human rights' is bandied to score points on a discussion board?

And what is wrong with pointing out a groups lack of support for human rights? Unless you don't believe they are Human rights?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 07:35:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

Any criticism is for their apparent bandwagon jumping. Better mate than never if you ask me but they do give the impression they have always supported gay rights when that just isn't true
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.   
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Don Johnson on April 24, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
See a prominent dissident's house was shot up yesterday in Lurgan as well.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 24, 2019, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on April 24, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
See a prominent dissident's house was shot up yesterday in Lurgan as well.

Not hard to figure out who that was....Mr Duffy has been quiet by his own remarkable standards recently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 24, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/twitter-account-of-dissident-group-saoradh-suspended-1.3870183
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kickham csc on April 24, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 23, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AMOf course, it seems like every Tam Dick and Harry in the whole country is in favour of gay rights and abortion. Which is complete bollix.


What's your issue with gay people having equal rights Benny???

I didn't say I have an issue. It's the impression that SF give on it though. That the whole country is for it and the only ones against it is a dozen or so DUP members, which is completely untrue. There are plenty against it, but you just don't hear them speak out about it.
Have any prominent SF members spoke out against marriage equality etc in the past?

As a party, their 2015 manifesto was the only one in the North that expressly mentioned the rights of transgender people. So on the face of it, SF had already expanded the equality agenda to beyond a focus Irish culture position to  a broader human rights equality program in 2015
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 24, 2019, 01:47:12 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/determined-doggedness-of-lyra-mckee-remembered-at-belfast-funeral-1.3870179

'Determined doggedness' of Lyra McKee remembered at Belfast funeral

Why did it take murder of Lyra McKee for politicians to act? priest asks

Gerry Moriarty Northern Editor


A priest at the funeral of Lyra McKee in Belfast on Wednesday asked "why in God's name" it took her murder to bring politicians to a point where they may seek to resolve their differences.

Fr Martin Magill, a friend of Ms McKee and of her north Belfast family, spoke about the murdered journalist's qualities when he delivered the homily at her ecumenical funeral service in St Anne's Church of Ireland cathedral at lunchtime on Wednesday. She was shot dead by members of the New IRA while covering a disturbance in the Creggan area of Derry last Thursday evening.

The chief mourners at the funeral are Ms McKee's mother Joan, her partner Ms Canning, her sisters Joan, Nichola and Mary, brothers Gary and David, nieces and nephews and a great-niece Ava.

Some hundreds of people gathered outside St Anne's clapped in solidarity as the coffin of was carried into the cathedral. The wreaths at the funeral included a heart of pink and white flowers and those in the rainbow colours of the LGBT community.

The funeral attendance included the President Michael D Higgins, the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, the British prime minister Theresa May, the Northern Secretary Karen Bradley, the British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, DUP leader Arlene Foster, Sinn Féin leaders Mary Lou McDonald and Michelle O'Neill, the SDLP leader Colum Eastwood, the Ulster Unionist Party leader Robin Swann, the Alliance leader Naomi Long, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney, the Scottish National Partly leader in the House of Commons Ian Blackford, the PSNI chief constable George Hamilton and deputy chief constable Stephen Martin.

Fr Magill spoke about Lyra's warmth, her love of her family, of writing, of Harry Potter, of her "determined doggedness", of her love of life and fun but Fr Magill also had some stern words for her New IRA killers and also for politicians who have contributed to the political paralysis and pessimism in Northern Ireland.

"Many of us will be praying that Lyra's death in its own way will not have been in vain and will contribute in some way to building peace here. Since Thursday night we have seen the coming together of many people in various places and the unifying of the community against violence," said Fr Magill.

"I commend our political leaders for standing together in Creggan on Good Friday. I am however left with a question: 'Why in God's name does it take the death of a 29-year-old woman with her whole life in front of her to get us to this point?'"

And he added, "I dare to hope that Lyra's murder on Holy Thursday night can be the doorway to a new beginning. I detect a deep desire for this. He quoted one of Ms McKee's friends in Derry who said: 'We have had enough. There is a younger generation coming up in the town and they don't need guns put in their hands. They need jobs, they need a better health service and education. They need a life, not a gun put in their hands.'"

'Pen mightier than sword'

To those who had any part in her murder Fr Magill said, "I encourage you to reflect on Lyra McKee journalist and writer as a powerful example of 'The pen is mightier than the sword'. I plead with you to take the road of non-violence to achieve your political ends.

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"It was encouraging to see that those who provide a political analysis to the organisation responsible for her death chose to call off their parade on Easter Monday following the call from Fr Joe Gormley, the parish priest in Creggan where Lyra was killed. To those still intent on violence, I ask you to listen to the majority of the people on your beloved island of Ireland who are calling on you to stop."

Fr Magill also paid tribute "to the courage and determination of the women who in a very powerful gesture of non violence one by one placed their hands in blood red paint on a wall" of the office of the dissidents in Derry and said loudly "We are not afraid".

He commended, too, the more than 140 people in Creggan who broke the imposed local rule of silence by contacting the police about the murder.

He said: "But that was one of a number of rules - rules that also said that it was okay to brutalise children for petty crimes, or rules that say you can live in the locality until you are told you can't or rules that said that the only way we could gain 'freedom' was by other fellow-human beings losing their lives.

"But this week I have seen these rules turned on their head. I have seen many people stand up and condemn this culture of violence and coercive control. We need to send a very different message and so I appeal to those who have information about Lyra's murder but who haven't yet come forward to do so now.

"If you want to see an end to these brutal rules, and see a new society built on justice and fairness, on hope and not fear, then you can help build that society by letting the police know what you know.

"There will be special measures put in place to ensure your safety and where you will not be intimidated by coercive controllers, if you do so."

Fr Magill, who was a priest in the McKees parish near Ardoyne in north Belfast and is now parish priest in St John's in west Belfast, spoke of deprivation and how young people need jobs, and education and training.


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He added: "All our young people need a life that gives them an aspiration for the future. As our politicians we need you to be working together to make that happen so that especially for those living in deprived areas that they will feel the peace process is working for them as well - and especially for young people living in these communities."

Politicians

And again to the politicians Fr Magill said, "I know you as politicians have a very difficult job to but then so too did Lyra. There is another valuable lesson from her life - she was like 'a dog with a bone' when she believed she could make a difference.

"When it comes to our peace process, I would love to see this dogged attitude to the rebuilding of an Assembly that works for the common good. As I listen to the radio every morning, all I seem to hear about various initiatives in Northern Ireland are these words, 'without a minister, this can't be taken forward'. I pray that Lyra's murder may be the catalyst needed for parties to start talking, to reform that which was corrosive in previous Assemblies and to begin anew."

While Fr Magill delivered these hard messages he also spoke of the personality of Ms McKee and of her generosity, drive, ambition and general lovability

He hadn't been aware of her interest in Harry Potter, he confessed, or of her favourite house Hufflepuff which was the most inclusive of the Hogwarts school valuing hard work, dedication, patience, loyalty, and fair play.

"It struck me that the definition could just as easily have been about Lyra," he said.

Fr Magill also told the packed congregation that his last exchange on Twitter with Ms McKee was at the end of March when she sent him a photograph of herself dressed in a nun's veil with a glass of cider accompanied with these words, "Got roped into performing as part of a Sister Act tribute act for Foyle Hospice. Hey @MartinJMagill, you need any help with mass tomorrow?"

Fr Magill told mourners of how after a rough period early at school she flourished when she developed a love of writing, first inspired by Roald Dahl's The Twits, and then by "her granny Patricia Lawrie buying her each of the Harry Potter books as they were published".

And he spoke too of her writing success, her letter when she was 24 to her 14 year-old-self about growing up gay in Belfast, her book about the murder of South Belfast unionist MP Rev Robert Bradford, and her work on a book, The Lost Boys about two young boys who went missing during the Troubles.

Said Fr Magill, "In the course of her investigations, Lyra had discovered that other children had disappeared and she had wanted to find their bodies. I pray that her work will be taken up and that their bodies will be found and even more importantly that there will be no more 'lost boys' or 'lost girls'."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 02:33:48 PM
Nothing will change. There is no political will to compromise and worse no votes to be gained. This murder while sad and repulsive, it will unfortunately not make one iota of difference.



Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: delgany on April 24, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
Arlene Foster not too keen to applaud Fr.Magill. he called them all out   ...they must be  seriously embrassed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 02:33:48 PM
Nothing will change. There is no political will to compromise and worse no votes to be gained. This murder while sad and repulsive, it will unfortunately not make one iota of difference.

Sadly, you're correct.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 24, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
Arlene Foster not too keen to applaud Fr.Magill. he called them all out   ...they must be  seriously embrassed.

Seriously awkward there in front of the TV cameras, for the useless shower of shites.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tubberman on April 24, 2019, 04:17:17 PM
Fair play to that priest, Arlene looked like she wanted the ground to open up and swallow her, Mary Lou not much better.
Would hope it shames them into action, but they have hard necks so they'll brush off the embarrassment fairly easily.

Video for those that haven't seen it:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1121045164166975488 (https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1121045164166975488)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 24, 2019, 05:09:54 PM
That's brilliant. Fair play to him.

Awkward lol.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 24, 2019, 05:12:40 PM
Arms folded. Doesn't give One flying..
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
It won't make one iota of difference. His words will all be forgotten tomorrow.
Council and European elections coming up soon. Expect DUP and SF vote to increase. That'll tell you all you need to know politics in NI.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: yellowcard on April 24, 2019, 05:48:00 PM
Credit to that priest, he said what he thought and caused a lot of discomfort. There is a general sense of disillusionment with the lack of leadership from political figures in the north. Arlene Foster is only capable of playing to her own hard base and has never been a leader in the true sense of the word. Michelle O'Neill and Mary Lou have been deficient in leadership also but at least they have showed a willingness to reach out that political Unionism has not.

Whilst she deserves credit for going to the Creggan after Lyra McKee's murder, I'm not sure about her actual sincerity, there appears to be a permanent sneer or a snarl etched across her face and it's this same lack of leadership that have help feed into people becoming even more entrenched. Tomorrow it will be back to the script of SF bogeymen, anti Irish culture, whipping up fear, etc etc. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 24, 2019, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 24, 2019, 05:12:40 PM
Arms folded. Doesn't give One flying..

Unionists have been resisting reality since the 1960s.
They are losers. Even Arlene had to concede and clap in the end.

Their own people in their 20s leave and never return
The Unionist population fell by 14% since 1989, a direct result.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 24, 2019, 06:24:36 PM
Of course Snarlene was the last to stand up and could barely bring herself to clap.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 24, 2019, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 24, 2019, 06:24:36 PM
Of course Snarlene was the last to stand up and could barely bring herself to clap.

An appalling individual filled with nothing but hatred and bitterness :(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 24, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran,

What's this then? Scotch mist?

QuoteIran publicly hangs man found guilty of homosexuality charges: report
(https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/427247-iran-publicly-hangs-man-found-guilty-of-homosexuality-charges)
A man was publicly hanged in the Islamic Republic of Iran after being found guilty of homosexuality charges, according to the Jerusalem Post.

The 31-year-old Iranian man reportedly violated Iran's strict anti-gay laws, according to the state-controlled Iranian Students' News Agency.


The man, who was not identified, was hanged publicly on January 10 in the city of Kazeroon.

He was charged and found guilty of having intercourse with another man, which is punishable by the death penalty in Iran.

The state-run news agency also reported that the man was found guilty of kidnapping charges for abducting two 15-year olds.

The Jerusalem Post reports that there is virtually no way to independently verify those charges due to Iran's shrouded and complex judicial system.

"The LGBT community in Iran has lived in terror for the last 40 years," Alireza Nader, CEO of Washington, D.C.-based advocacy organization New Iran, told the Post. "Next time Foreign Minister Zarif speaks in Washington, the host and audience should ask him why his regime is one of the top executioner of gays in the world."

Iran's theocratic authoritarian regime has strict laws regarding sexuality and has reportedly executed thousands of homosexuals since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

The U.S. currently has imposed strict sanctions on Iran since President Trump took office after the sanctions were lifted as a result of the Iran nuclear deal under former President Obama

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:17:01 PM
In addition, PIRA good, dissident IRA bad is a crazy position for someone to support.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 24, 2019, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 24, 2019, 05:12:40 PM
Arms folded. Doesn't give One flying..

Unionists have been resisting reality since the 1960s.
They are losers. Even Arlene had to concede and clap in the end.

Their own people in their 20s leave and never return
The Unionist population fell by 14% since 1989, a direct result.

I think you got the 9 and 6 mixed up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 24, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran,

What's this then? Scotch mist?

QuoteIran publicly hangs man found guilty of homosexuality charges: report
(https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/427247-iran-publicly-hangs-man-found-guilty-of-homosexuality-charges)
A man was publicly hanged in the Islamic Republic of Iran after being found guilty of homosexuality charges, according to the Jerusalem Post.

The 31-year-old Iranian man reportedly violated Iran's strict anti-gay laws, according to the state-controlled Iranian Students' News Agency.


The man, who was not identified, was hanged publicly on January 10 in the city of Kazeroon.

He was charged and found guilty of having intercourse with another man, which is punishable by the death penalty in Iran.

The state-run news agency also reported that the man was found guilty of kidnapping charges for abducting two 15-year olds.

The Jerusalem Post reports that there is virtually no way to independently verify those charges due to Iran's shrouded and complex judicial system.

"The LGBT community in Iran has lived in terror for the last 40 years," Alireza Nader, CEO of Washington, D.C.-based advocacy organization New Iran, told the Post. "Next time Foreign Minister Zarif speaks in Washington, the host and audience should ask him why his regime is one of the top executioner of gays in the world."

Iran's theocratic authoritarian regime has strict laws regarding sexuality and has reportedly executed thousands of homosexuals since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

The U.S. currently has imposed strict sanctions on Iran since President Trump took office after the sanctions were lifted as a result of the Iran nuclear deal under former President Obama
The jerusalem post  ;D  Desperation stakes when you have resort to quoting an article sourced from the  JP for a negative story on Iran? are you the most gullible person on the board? ;D

Did you not read this bit?
"The state-run news agency also reported that the man was found guilty of kidnapping charges for abducting two 15-year olds."
Apparently that bit got lost in your Islamophobia frenzy, the criminal had kidnapped and raped 2 teenagers, that what got him the death penalty.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence
"People literally get put to death?"  as opposed to what? non-literal?
Have you got any literal numbers? :D
Iran Human Rights Monitor report that 50 lashes is the common  penalty imposed for being found guilty of being gay.

IHRM also report  "At least 283 executions including 11 in public were carried out in 2018. The real numbers were likely to be much higher as use of capital punishment in Iran is often shrouded in secrecy. Most of those executed during the period in question were sentenced to death for smuggling, narcotics, and murder."

The USA has 3 times higher incarceration rate than Iran.



Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dec on April 24, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
Amnesty International

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/discrimination/lgbt-rights/

"Same-sex sexual activity is a crime in 72 countries, and can get you a death sentence in eight countries, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen. "
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence
"People literally get put to death?"  as opposed to what? non-literal?
Have you got any literal numbers? :D
Human Rights Watch report that 50 lashes is the penalty imposed for being found guilty of a homosexual activity.

HRW also report  "At least 283 executions including 11 in public were carried out in 2018. The real numbers were likely to be much higher as use of capital punishment in Iran is often shrouded in secrecy. Most of those executed during the period in question were sentenced to death for smuggling, narcotics, and murder."

The USA has 3 times higher incarceration rate than Iran.

You found human rights watch. Well done. I suggest searching through refworld also.
Now who is being pedantic over the use of the word literally. You know why I used it. Lashes is a punishment, I did mention that, thonit isn't the punishment for any homosexual activity. The penal code allows for the death sentence and it does get used. And no, I don't have any numbers off hand. As you are using HRW perhaps you know the actual numbers for those out to death? Didnit me toon Christian conversion?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:08:53 PM
Quote from: dec on April 24, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
Amnesty International

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/discrimination/lgbt-rights/

"Same-sex sexual activity is a crime in 72 countries, and can get you a death sentence in eight countries, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen. "
Yes the death penalty is on the books but is it imposed?  IHRM state that 50 lashes is the imposed punishment.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 23, 2019, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Isn't it sad that a Party gets criticised for supporting equal human rights for all humans?

Isn't it sad that the term 'human rights' is bandied to score points on a discussion board?

Was it "bandied about" or used accurately?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

What a truly strange angle to take???

If the bullet had killed a police officer which of the 2 groups would they have fallen into?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 02:33:48 PM
Nothing will change. There is no political will to compromise and worse no votes to be gained. This murder while sad and repulsive, it will unfortunately not make one iota of difference.

Eventually the electorate will tire of waiting on the political will of SF & DUP. There are other options and possibly yet more will emerge
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 24, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
Arlene Foster not too keen to applaud Fr.Magill. he called them all out   ...they must be  seriously embrassed.

I agree completely with what the priest said. I think all of the politicians should have sat there shame faced. None of them should have stood or applauded at that point.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:26:48 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence
"People literally get put to death?"  as opposed to what? non-literal?
Have you got any literal numbers? :D
Human Rights Watch report that 50 lashes is the penalty imposed for being found guilty of a homosexual activity.

HRW also report  "At least 283 executions including 11 in public were carried out in 2018. The real numbers were likely to be much higher as use of capital punishment in Iran is often shrouded in secrecy. Most of those executed during the period in question were sentenced to death for smuggling, narcotics, and murder."

The USA has 3 times higher incarceration rate than Iran.

You found human rights watch. Well done. I suggest searching through refworld also.
Now who is being pedantic over the use of the word literally. You know why I used it. Lashes is a punishment, I did mention that, thonit isn't the punishment for any homosexual activity. The penal code allows for the death sentence and it does get used. And no, I don't have any numbers off hand. As you are using HRW perhaps you know the actual numbers for those out to death? Didnit me toon Christian conversion?
I certainly don't use the Jerusalem Post ;D 
You can't find anything of substance to support your claim that gays are executed for being gay in Iran.
And sarcasm is your refuge.



Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

What a truly strange angle to take???

If the bullet had killed a police officer which of the 2 groups would they have fallen into?
Straw man
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

I think if that interview had been broadcast to the crowd inside or outside St Anne's today O'Neill would have been rightly booed.

It's about time that SF and DUP each blaming the other might work for the mindless but even they will eventually work it out
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:26:48 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 23, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 23, 2019, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.
You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death
Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?
Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence
"People literally get put to death?"  as opposed to what? non-literal?
Have you got any literal numbers? :D
Human Rights Watch report that 50 lashes is the penalty imposed for being found guilty of a homosexual activity.

HRW also report  "At least 283 executions including 11 in public were carried out in 2018. The real numbers were likely to be much higher as use of capital punishment in Iran is often shrouded in secrecy. Most of those executed during the period in question were sentenced to death for smuggling, narcotics, and murder."

The USA has 3 times higher incarceration rate than Iran.

You found human rights watch. Well done. I suggest searching through refworld also.
Now who is being pedantic over the use of the word literally. You know why I used it. Lashes is a punishment, I did mention that, thonit isn't the punishment for any homosexual activity. The penal code allows for the death sentence and it does get used. And no, I don't have any numbers off hand. As you are using HRW perhaps you know the actual numbers for those out to death? Didnit me toon Christian conversion?
I certainly don't use the Jerusalem Post ;D 
You can't find anything of substance to support your claim that gays are executed for being gay in Iran.
And sarcasm is your refuge.

I didn't  use the Jerusalem post mate. Sarcasm? You're throwing sarcasm at me after your nonsense?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

What a truly strange angle to take???

If the bullet had killed a police officer which of the 2 groups would they have fallen into?
Straw man

Not straw man. Just quoting back to you a question on a distinction that you chose to make.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:39:00 PM
Is the United States State Department a reputable enough source for you?

Acts of Violence, Discrimination, and Other Abuses Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity

The law criminalizes consensual same-sex sexual activity, which is punishable by death, flogging, or a lesser punishment. The law does not distinguish between consensual and nonconsensual same-sex intercourse, and NGOs reported this lack of clarity led to both the victim and the perpetrator being held criminally liable under the law in cases of assault. The law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm#wrapper
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

I have been an ardent critic of SF, all of their positions and policies. So I am glad someone else has said this. This "there's no one else to vote for" is clearly incorrect. There a plenty of alternatives. If the electorate continue to vote SF/DUP we'll continue to get the same level of government.

I am truly sad to see a number of services withdrawn in my area. Breakthru and Surestart just 2 examples, used by the most needy in society. The exact people who SF say they want to help. We deserve better.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

I don't know the fella personally but if he came around electioneering I would look for his views on education and housing. Both devolved issues and the latter very relevant at council level. If he advocated any of this nonsense of a shared space being we need catholic housing and Protestant housing and we can have school kids sharing physical infrastructure but in different schools with different uniforms then I would regard a vote for him as a complete waste if you want the future to be any better than the present
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 24, 2019, 10:14:01 PM
Will the NYT suffice?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/opinion/iran-forty-years-revolution-moderate.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/opinion/iran-forty-years-revolution-moderate.html)

"In 2015 the government executed close to 1,000 people, roughly double the figure of 2010. Last month, it publicly hanged a 31-year-old man on charges of kidnapping and having sex with another man; he's one of an estimated 5,000 gays and lesbians killed by the Islamic Republic."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

I don't know the fella personally but if he came around electioneering I would look for his views on education and housing. Both devolved issues and the latter very relevant at council level. If he advocated any of this nonsense of a shared space being we need catholic housing and Protestant housing and we can have school kids sharing physical infrastructure but in different schools with different uniforms then I would regard a vote for him as a complete waste if you want the future to be any better than the present

I have to admit Keith is a friend from school but since coming home o have noticed him more than anyone being on the ground. Engaging with the community in various matters. And actually listening to people. I would need to read the manifestos of others who are standing to eee who I give my number 2 to
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 24, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

I don't know the fella personally but if he came around electioneering I would look for his views on education and housing. Both devolved issues and the latter very relevant at council level. If he advocated any of this nonsense of a shared space being we need catholic housing and Protestant housing and we can have school kids sharing physical infrastructure but in different schools with different uniforms then I would regard a vote for him as a complete waste if you want the future to be any better than the present

I have to admit Keith is a friend from school but since coming home o have noticed him more than anyone being on the ground. Engaging with the community in various matters. And actually listening to people. I would need to read the manifestos of others who are standing to eee who I give my number 2 to

Well when he is next in the ground canvass his views on housing and education and post them on here
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 24, 2019, 10:58:24 PM
I think there is a big difference between council elections and Stormont. Most people deal with cllrs. moreso than MLAs.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MoChara on April 25, 2019, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from Arlene

QuoteMrs Foster summed up the DUP view on Good Morning Ulster.

"It's not a balanced discussion if Sinn Féin get everything they want and my community is left with nothing, it can't be a five-nil situation," she said.

Really shows the us and them attitude of the woman, she's totally intransigent to the notion that a benefit or help to one community isn't always to te detriment of the other.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 25, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

Hard to see a scenario where the SDLP are ever likely to make a comeback tbh. They need at the very least the emergance of a political superstar to stand a chance....here, not likely.

Sinn Fein and the DUP love the antagonism, it's what keeps them in power and they'll both continue to deliver a disasterclass in politics whilst people are foolish enough to fall for it. Meanwhile they'll pick up the cash....they've got it on lockdown as the kids say.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

I agree. Popular to blame the two.

DUP couldn't (probably can't) treat nationalists with respect - curry my yoghurt etc. etc. They had their chance.

Deal was agree (what was in it is debateable) but DUP renaged on behalf of the OO and Stormont is now in cold storage.  I can't see it coming back unless the DUP "wear the sack clothes and ashes".

Add in RHI, Liofa and all the Brexit/Tory axis carry ons, then the party is over.

I wouldn't forgive SF for going back into Stormont again unless the DUP agree to an ILA and other equality issues.

Mc Guinness did all he could, he tried to make things work but bad faith by the DUP/UDA/OO axis scuppered the future of Stormont.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
The DUP would prefer the dictatorship of direct rule rather than have a fenian about the place.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: balladmaker on April 25, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Personally, I don't care if Stormont never makes a comeback.  Given the DUP's antics, Brexit, RHI, Liofa, Redsky, LGBT, Irish Language act etc etc they're not fit for nor worthy of sharing power.  Let's have the big conversation around a new Ireland and the border poll should follow.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Personally, I don't care if Stormont never makes a comeback.  Given the DUP's antics, Brexit, RHI, Liofa, Redsky, LGBT, Irish Language act etc etc they're not fit for nor worthy of sharing power.  Let's have the big conversation around a new Ireland and the border poll should follow.

One thing Brexit should teach us is getting the ducks in a row prior to any unity polls. Is this even taking place? Has anything been learnt from Germany etc? Whilst I admire Mary Lou and Pearse Doherty, the same cannot be said for northern SF reps. Beyond useless!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?

Christ. Hardly an appropriate comment to someone talking about how politics affects their daily life.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?

Christ. Hardly an appropriate comment to someone talking about how politics affects their daily life.

We are all suffering - depends where you want to put the blame.

My statement was addressing his last point.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2019, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?

Christ. Hardly an appropriate comment to someone talking about how politics affects their daily life.

We are all suffering - depends where you want to put the blame.

My statement was addressing his last point.

To which you responded with a silly question about recounts!!!! He has no time for the current political parties. He is entitled to express that !!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: red hander on April 25, 2019, 11:07:41 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Personally, I don't care if Stormont never makes a comeback.  Given the DUP's antics, Brexit, RHI, Liofa, Redsky, LGBT, Irish Language act etc etc they're not fit for nor worthy of sharing power.  Let's have the big conversation around a new Ireland and the border poll should follow.

This
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2019, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?

Christ. Hardly an appropriate comment to someone talking about how politics affects their daily life.

We are all suffering - depends where you want to put the blame.

My statement was addressing his last point.

To which you responded with a silly question about recounts!!!! He has no time for the current political parties. He is entitled to express that !!!!

Or the people who vote for them?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

Post a link to the SF compromise agreement to to see what they were compromising on and on what terms. And what they weren't compromising on.

Could be a high moral ground and electoral dividend for those prepared to compromise now though probably best to wait a few weeks and pretend that it was their idea rather than a reaction to recent events and the public mood
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 25, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
Sinn Fein and the DUP love the antagonism, it's what keeps them in power and they'll both continue to deliver a disasterclass in politics whilst people are foolish enough to fall for it. Meanwhile they'll pick up the cash....they've got it on lockdown as the kids say.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:30:53 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 06:08:03 PM

I wouldn't forgive SF for going back into Stormont again unless the DUP agree to an ILA and other equality issues.

So your settled political will is that NI should be ruled by a Secretary of State appointed by whatever result is thrown up by a uk wide general election in perpetuity rather than the people of NI unless and until there is an ILA.  Given the importance you are giving to the ILA would you mind stipulating what should and should not be in it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:32:23 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
The DUP would prefer the dictatorship of direct rule rather than have a fenian about the place.

SF seem to be facilitating them though- with K Bradley as the inept dictator
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:58 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Personally, I don't care if Stormont never makes a comeback.  Given the DUP's antics, Brexit, RHI, Liofa, Redsky, LGBT, Irish Language act etc etc they're not fit for nor worthy of sharing power.  Let's have the big conversation around a new Ireland and the border poll should follow.

3 big questions though-

1) what if people in NI want to stay in UK? In these likely circumstances you have to make power sharing work
2) what if the people of RoI rejected a UI? In these circumstances you have to make power sharing work
3) what if the people of NI don't vote by in a majority of both communities to tear up GFA? In this circumstance the governments of UK and RoI (and it must be both) are not going to revoke the internationally enforceable GFA and then you are going to have to make power sharing work

Complain all you like about Stormont but its here to stay. If the people inside the building aren't delivering get different people
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:43:10 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Personally, I don't care if Stormont never makes a comeback.  Given the DUP's antics, Brexit, RHI, Liofa, Redsky, LGBT, Irish Language act etc etc they're not fit for nor worthy of sharing power.  Let's have the big conversation around a new Ireland and the border poll should follow.

One thing Brexit should teach us is getting the ducks in a row prior to any unity polls. Is this even taking place? Has anything been learnt from Germany etc? Whilst I admire Mary Lou and Pearse Doherty, the same cannot be said for northern SF reps. Beyond useless!

And what preparation has Mary Lou and Pearse made or are they disinterested in a UI?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2019, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?

Christ. Hardly an appropriate comment to someone talking about how politics affects their daily life.

We are all suffering - depends where you want to put the blame.

My statement was addressing his last point.

To which you responded with a silly question about recounts!!!! He has no time for the current political parties. He is entitled to express that !!!!

Or the people who vote for them?

He is entitled to question the people who vote for idiotic parties
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jim Bob on April 26, 2019, 07:54:53 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2019, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 25, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.

Nice guy - did you lose out to SF in a re-count election or something?

Christ. Hardly an appropriate comment to someone talking about how politics affects their daily life.

We are all suffering - depends where you want to put the blame.

My statement was addressing his last point.

To which you responded with a silly question about recounts!!!! He has no time for the current political parties. He is entitled to express that !!!!

Or the people who vote for them?

'Did you lose out to Sinn Fein in a recount election or something'  was just a stupid purile question.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on April 26, 2019, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.
Sorry but Stormont will never fix education and health, the decisions that need too be made to rationalise and save money would be extremely unpopular with regard to Daisy Hill, Down, Causeway Hospital and possibly the Erne. School closures are also extremely unpopular but necessary as duplication and segregation is a burden.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 26, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
This return to Stormont- if it happened - won't suddenly stop the squabbling, bickering and disagreement between parties. Just because they're sitting in the debating chamber (or whatever you call it), doesn't mean they're agreeing on a way forward or getting anything done. They'll be as petty and childish as they are now, but doing it under a roof rather than under an umbrella.

Have people forgotten what they were like when Stormont was going? I don't see much difference.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 26, 2019, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.
Sorry but Stormont will never fix education and health, the decisions that need too be made to rationalise and save money would be extremely unpopular with regard to Daisy Hill, Down, Causeway Hospital and possibly the Erne. School closures are also extremely unpopular but necessary as duplication and segregation is a burden.

Did you get a link to that the SF compromise?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 26, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
This return to Stormont- if it happened - won't suddenly stop the squabbling, bickering and disagreement between parties. Just because they're sitting in the debating chamber (or whatever you call it), doesn't mean they're agreeing on a way forward or getting anything done. They'll be as petty and childish as they are now, but doing it under a roof rather than under an umbrella.

Have people forgotten what they were like when Stormont was going? I don't see much difference.

The squabbling would "suddenly stop" if we elected a different set of politicians.

As for the broader issues of course problems don't "suddenly stop " but with SF and DUP they don't ever stop.

By any objective criteria the case for voting for SF or DUP is NIL
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: north_antrim_hound on April 26, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 25, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
Sinn Fein and the DUP love the antagonism, it's what keeps them in power and they'll both continue to deliver a disasterclass in politics whilst people are foolish enough to fall for it. Meanwhile they'll pick up the cash....they've got it on lockdown as the kids say.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

+1
Have supported SF over recent years but they have done nothing even at local council. After another rise in rates this year I've had enough. The vote for the rate increase the DUP and UUP voted yes. Would you believe the only party who voted for a freeze on rates was the TUV. As the SF councilor I voted for she didn't even attend. Gonna give it a miss
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 11:16:34 AM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on April 26, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 25, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
Sinn Fein and the DUP love the antagonism, it's what keeps them in power and they'll both continue to deliver a disasterclass in politics whilst people are foolish enough to fall for it. Meanwhile they'll pick up the cash....they've got it on lockdown as the kids say.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

+1
Have supported SF over recent years but they have done nothing even at local council. After another rise in rates this year I've had enough. The vote for the rate increase the DUP and UUP voted yes. Would you believe the only party who voted for a freeze on rates was the TUV. As the SF councilor I voted for she didn't even attend. Gonna give it a miss

Or vote for someone else!!!!!

So SF abstain at Westminster, run away from Stormont and fail to turn up at local council. Vote for someone else
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on April 26, 2019, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 26, 2019, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
It's all well and good saying scrap Stormont and bollocks to the DUP, but power sharing is the only show in town. If you want a health service fit for purpose, if you want children taught in well resourced schools or indeed if you want GAA coached in the schools you need a functioning Stormont. Services that the most in need require have been cut. If you're working and healthy, you're pretty much insulated but that's not true of everyone. My own parent who is very poor health has had their care cut due to this, it puts huge pressures on us as s family, with children who all work. it will no doubt result in their life being cut short.

So excuse me when I say f**k the DUP, f**k Sinn Fein and f**k the people who vote for them.
Sorry but Stormont will never fix education and health, the decisions that need too be made to rationalise and save money would be extremely unpopular with regard to Daisy Hill, Down, Causeway Hospital and possibly the Erne. School closures are also extremely unpopular but necessary as duplication and segregation is a burden.

Did you get a link to that the SF compromise?
What are you on about? I think perhaps you might not be aSF supporter.😂
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

Post a link to the SF compromise agreement to to see what they were compromising on and on what terms. And what they weren't compromising on.

Could be a high moral ground and electoral dividend for those prepared to compromise now though probably best to wait a few weeks and pretend that it was their idea rather than a reaction to recent events and the public mood

This is what I'm on about
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on April 26, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

Post a link to the SF compromise agreement to to see what they were compromising on and on what terms. And what they weren't compromising on.

Could be a high moral ground and electoral dividend for those prepared to compromise now though probably best to wait a few weeks and pretend that it was their idea rather than a reaction to recent events and the public mood

This is what I'm on about
Widely reported by Eamon Malley and Brian Rowan, watered down ILA and abortion and LGBT rights left to future arrangements.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 26, 2019, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:32:23 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
The DUP would prefer the dictatorship of direct rule rather than have a fenian about the place.

SF seem to be facilitating them though- with K Bradley as the inept dictator
I would rather direct rule than returning to a DUP controlled Stormont.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on April 26, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
Its pathetic seeing the politicians using this girls death for their own agenda as well as even using it as a reason to sort stormont out. A functioning executive wouldnt have stopped this from happening and they have had no intetest in restoring power sharing for the past 2 years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:39:19 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 26, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

Post a link to the SF compromise agreement to to see what they were compromising on and on what terms. And what they weren't compromising on.

Could be a high moral ground and electoral dividend for those prepared to compromise now though probably best to wait a few weeks and pretend that it was their idea rather than a reaction to recent events and the public mood

This is what I'm on about
Widely reported by Eamon Malley and Brian Rowan, watered down ILA and abortion and LGBT rights left to future arrangements.
In these wide reports what was it watered down from and watered down to?

Why has the agreement not been published? What exactly have Malley and Rowan actually seem? If it was the agreement surely they would have published it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 26, 2019, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:32:23 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 25, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
The DUP would prefer the dictatorship of direct rule rather than have a fenian about the place.

SF seem to be facilitating them though- with K Bradley as the inept dictator
I would rather direct rule than returning to a DUP controlled Stormont.

So who are you voting for?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 26, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
Its pathetic seeing the politicians using this girls death for their own agenda as well as even using it as a reason to sort stormont out. A functioning executive wouldnt have stopped this from happening and they have had no intetest in restoring power sharing for the past 2 years.

Don't have a problem with what the 2 governments are at. They know the parties are too embarrassed to resist. I have a doubt that this particular UK government will dedicate the required resource but let's see
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: north_antrim_hound on April 26, 2019, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?

Who are you voting for
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

100% right. No parity of esteem when dealing with right wing religious zealots against rights for gay community and compromise of any sort and who have never said anything but no to every effort at peace on this island.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?

I will do the same. Not sure who I am going to vote for. I am talking about the dup. I would sooner cut my arm off than vote for them ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ?

I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:32:01 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on April 26, 2019, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?

Who are you voting for

Primarily Alliance. Looks like there is going to be at least 1 credible independent candidate in the European election. I'll throw a vote down the order for anyone who is prepared to work for it AND has some progressive vision. My total number of votes for SF and DUP in all elections will be zero
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

100% right. No parity of esteem when dealing with right wing religious zealots against rights for gay community and compromise of any sort and who have never said anything but no to every effort at peace on this island.

Do don't vote for them. Voting SF would be equally stupid. I'm sure you will agree
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?

I will do the same. Not sure who I am going to vote for. I am talking about the dup. I would sooner cut my arm off than vote for them ;D

I'm also talking about DUP. Who ARE you voting for?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????

What party is that then? Let us all know.

The key question is can the six counties work?

It's a failed political enity - everyone can see this.


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????

In regards to ILA, same as Scotland and Wales.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????

What party is that then? Let us all know.

The key question is can the six counties work?

It's a failed political enity - everyone can see this.

Alliance. Assumed you would have deciphered that from the post above when I said it was Alliance

Making the 6 counties work is indeed the key question, given that we are left with that entity whether it be in a UK, a UI or as an independent nation (the latter is hugely unlikely). A lot of people fail to grasp that even in a UI stormont and NI continue to exist and we have to make them work. Calling it a failed entity doesn't allow any of us to wash our hands of the need, for our iwn sake and the generations to come to make it work
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????

In regards to ILA, same as Scotland and Wales.

Well that's good. I can sign up to the Scottish act. Hopefully we can get SF to agree to it and then government can be re-established. Most public bodies in NI already adhere to the Scottish standards
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?

I will do the same. Not sure who I am going to vote for. I am talking about the dup. I would sooner cut my arm off than vote for them ;D

I'm also talking about DUP. Who ARE you voting for?

I haven't decided yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 08:39:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Exactly. Not one compromise have they ever made. Not one.

I feel the same about them. As a consequence I have never voted for them. I recommend that you do the same. But who are you going to vote for?

I will do the same. Not sure who I am going to vote for. I am talking about the dup. I would sooner cut my arm off than vote for them ;D

I'm also talking about DUP. Who ARE you voting for?

I haven't decided yet.

Sure let us know on the day after
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 26, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ?

I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

Well I'm all for social democratic principles, so I'd start the name with the letters SD. I also think that a good party for nationalists would be one that stands up for the working man and would be aligned with the Labour Party in Europe and the south (none of that Fianna Fail malarkey) and would take its seats in Westminster where it'd be aligned with the Labour party there. So the letter L would come next. And to finish off the name, we'd have to make it clear that it's a party, so it'd have to end in P.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 26, 2019, 08:54:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????

What party is that then? Let us all know.

The key question is can the six counties work?

It's a failed political enity - everyone can see this.

Alliance. Assumed you would have deciphered that from the post above when I said it was Alliance

Making the 6 counties work is indeed the key question, given that we are left with that entity whether it be in a UK, a UI or as an independent nation (the latter is hugely unlikely). A lot of people fail to grasp that even in a UI stormont and NI continue to exist and we have to make them work. Calling it a failed entity doesn't allow any of us to wash our hands of the need, for our iwn sake and the generations to come to make it work
Genuine question. Why alliance? What have they delivered in the past and what can they deliver in the future? When I left Ireland they didn't exist I think. I don't know much about them apart from seeing Naomi Long and Sorcha Eastwood on Twitter and they don't overly impress me on that platform. But to be fair no politician does
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 26, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
I'll be voting SDLP. I will transfer to Alliance and UUP. Parties interested in making NI work.
Power sharing is the only show in town. If you think that a Unity referendum is achievable and more importantly winnable in the near future you are living in cloud cuckoo land. It is a distraction tactic used by SF to cover their own shortcomings. I am in favour of a United Ireland. Nut understand there is much work to be done before it's achievable.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 10:46:05 PM
The uup are not covering themselves in glory. Election leaflets being sent round about alliance siding with the pira. Pretty inflammatory stuff.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 26, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 10:46:05 PM
The uup are not covering themselves in glory. Election leaflets being sent round about alliance siding with the pira. Pretty inflammatory stuff.

I agree. But in Stormont you have to share power. Transferring to UUP indicates who I prefer.

*I appreciate this isn't a Stormont election.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 11:13:56 PM
Anybody think this election will be a vote on Brexit?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 26, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
No.
Just the usual head count.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

100% right. No parity of esteem when dealing with right wing religious zealots against rights for gay community and compromise of any sort and who have never said anything but no to every effort at peace on this island.

Do don't vote for them. Voting SF would be equally stupid. I'm sure you will agree

No I don't agree and I don't understand your first sentence
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:01:18 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 26, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ?

I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

Well I'm all for social democratic principles, so I'd start the name with the letters SD. I also think that a good party for nationalists would be one that stands up for the working man and would be aligned with the Labour Party in Europe and the south (none of that Fianna Fail malarkey) and would take its seats in Westminster where it'd be aligned with the Labour party there. So the letter L would come next. And to finish off the name, we'd have to make it clear that it's a party, so it'd have to end in P.

I agree with a lot of this. There is a socially progressive element of the party I will always vote for but there are also dinosaurs and individuals who understand the nationalist aspect of the ticket but couldn't maintain a conversation for too long on social democracy or the principles of representing labour. The loss of Claire Hanna signaled a lot of this
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on April 27, 2019, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
I'll be voting SDLP. I will transfer to Alliance and UUP. Parties interested in making NI work.
Power sharing is the only show in town. If you think that a Unity referendum is achievable and more importantly winnable in the near future you are living in cloud cuckoo land. It is a distraction tactic used by SF to cover their own shortcomings. I am in favour of a United Ireland. Nut understand there is much work to be done before it's achievable.

NI can never work. It is a deeply flawed project that has had 100 years and had failed miserably since its inception. Power sharing is only a way of keeping the two communities from killing each other until the inevitable happens and "our wee country" is put out of its misery once and for all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2019, 08:54:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
There seems to be 2 trains of thought on here:

1. No return to Stormont for the reasons stated e.g. DUP bad faith, inequality and a general lack of respect for nationalists going back over the years.  You could also theough in their current links to loyalists etc.

2. Those, who I presume are mostly nationalists, who oppose SF.

I've asked this question before a few times but nobody has really gave an answer.

People are great at castgating political parties and politicians etc. but are not great at saying what they are for.

If not SF, what type of party should be formed and why? How would they differ
I understand Aontú are testing the water in the local elections in the north.  Are they a credible option for nationalists?

What about a party committed to making this place work and not obsessed with green and orange and borders? Anyway what about an answer to my ILA question????

What party is that then? Let us all know.

The key question is can the six counties work?

It's a failed political enity - everyone can see this.

Alliance. Assumed you would have deciphered that from the post above when I said it was Alliance

Making the 6 counties work is indeed the key question, given that we are left with that entity whether it be in a UK, a UI or as an independent nation (the latter is hugely unlikely). A lot of people fail to grasp that even in a UI stormont and NI continue to exist and we have to make them work. Calling it a failed entity doesn't allow any of us to wash our hands of the need, for our iwn sake and the generations to come to make it work
Genuine question. Why alliance? What have they delivered in the past and what can they deliver in the future? When I left Ireland they didn't exist I think. I don't know much about them apart from seeing Naomi Long and Sorcha Eastwood on Twitter and they don't overly impress me on that platform. But to be fair no politician does

At Stormont Alliance have done more with their tiny representation than most. Mainly this involved holding the posts that DUP and SF can't trust or cannot be seen to trust the other side to do. They kept the show on the road. When they and everyone else got fed up with the standards of behaviour that passed for governance they went into opposition rather than run away altogether.

At Westminster successes have been rare but boy have they been sweet. Its a matter of regret for every sane person in NI that Long was not present in Westminster during the Brexit debates and votes.

Locally Alliance are the thread by which sanity hangs. SF and DUP are solid voting blocks. They do deals with each other to the disadvantage of the electorate or they bang the drum to bully SDLP or UUP into turning it into a green vs orange issue and one tribe winning or preventing the other tribe winning. Principles and good governance go out the window.

There is no pretence about Alliance. They don't pay lip service to social deprevation in order to drawdown some funding into the hands of "community leaders " in wards that didn't vote the right way and get those community leaders to canvass for them. They don't blather on about shared space and then name a kids play park after a murderer. They don't talk about a shared future and then set up schools where Protestant and catholics share the same building and PE infrastructure but are segregated during the day. They do stand up for what is right (witness flags in Belfast), they do stand up to the bullshit words (witness the "political wing of the IRA" nonsense floated in this election), they do stand up to the "sticks and stones " (witness the ongoing attacks in Easy Belfast), they do condemn all violence on all sides unequivocally.

What would we have to lose by having more of them and less of what we have?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:28:23 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 26, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.

100% right. No parity of esteem when dealing with right wing religious zealots against rights for gay community and compromise of any sort and who have never said anything but no to every effort at peace on this island.

Do don't vote for them. Voting SF would be equally stupid. I'm sure you will agree

No I don't agree and I don't understand your first sentence

First letter of my post should have been S rather than D. Hope that clears that up.

Why SF what are they delivering?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:36:56 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.
1. Well done for your honesty. Genuinely appreciated
2. Interesting that you don't point to a single policy objective as a reason to vote SF
3. Interesting that you don't point to any level of performance delivery on a policy issue as a reason to vote SF
4. There is a way of playing noughts and crosses that guarantees that the other side can't win. The problem is that by putting your cross in those boxes you rule out any chance of you winning. Maybe aim higher when voting. In a zero sum game what we hand on to the next generation won't be any better than what we have today
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 27, 2019, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
I'll be voting SDLP. I will transfer to Alliance and UUP. Parties interested in making NI work.
Power sharing is the only show in town. If you think that a Unity referendum is achievable and more importantly winnable in the near future you are living in cloud cuckoo land. It is a distraction tactic used by SF to cover their own shortcomings. I am in favour of a United Ireland. Nut understand there is much work to be done before it's achievable.

NI can never work. It is a deeply flawed project that has had 100 years and had failed miserably since its inception. Power sharing is only a way of keeping the two communities from killing each other until the inevitable happens and "our wee country" is put out of its misery once and for all.

Given the context of the GFA define "put out of its misery"
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on April 27, 2019, 08:31:16 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 27, 2019, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
I'll be voting SDLP. I will transfer to Alliance and UUP. Parties interested in making NI work.
Power sharing is the only show in town. If you think that a Unity referendum is achievable and more importantly winnable in the near future you are living in cloud cuckoo land. It is a distraction tactic used by SF to cover their own shortcomings. I am in favour of a United Ireland. Nut understand there is much work to be done before it's achievable.

NI can never work. It is a deeply flawed project that has had 100 years and had failed miserably since its inception. Power sharing is only a way of keeping the two communities from killing each other until the inevitable happens and "our wee country" is put out of its misery once and for all.

As much as I hate to agree with a Tyrone man, but that is all very true.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 27, 2019, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.

Should you not vote all the way down the ballot paper, right to the bottom, if you want push candidates 'out'? i.e. if there are 10 candidates, you should vote in order of preference 1-10, even if you do not like the party/candiate.

A maths lad told me this once - something to do with the PR system but he said nobody really does it as they think thay are giving a vote/a preference to someone who they don't want to get elected, if you know what I mean.

Any politics heads confirm this or was he waffling?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stiffler on April 27, 2019, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 27, 2019, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.

Should you not vote all the way down the ballot paper, right to the bottom, if you want push candidates 'out'? i.e. if there are 10 candidates, you should vote in order of preference 1-10, even if you do not like the party/candiate.

A maths lad told me this once - something to do with the PR system but he said nobody really does it as they think thay are giving a vote/a preference to someone who they don't want to get elected, if you know what I mean.

Any politics heads confirm this or was he waffling?

Depends on what round of counting the vote goes to and if your top votes are elected/eliminated.

If your number 1 vote is eliminated then number 2 will get the vote if still in with a chance of getting a seat. The surplus votes whenever someone is elected gets split out in proportion to the next in line on the ballot paper.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on April 27, 2019, 10:39:27 AM
It probably makes a very marginal difference, but you should give your least favoured candidate the lowest preference and put a number beside every candidate. Failing to do this means the quota is lowered by reducing the number of transferable votes. Therefore your least favoured candidate has a better chance of reaching the quota.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:36:56 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.
1. Well done for your honesty. Genuinely appreciated
2. Interesting that you don't point to a single policy objective as a reason to vote SF
3. Interesting that you don't point to any level of performance delivery on a policy issue as a reason to vote SF
4. There is a way of playing noughts and crosses that guarantees that the other side can't win. The problem is that by putting your cross in those boxes you rule out any chance of you winning. Maybe aim higher when voting. In a zero sum game what we hand on to the next generation won't be any better than what we have today
Not that it is any f**king concern of yours who I vote for but I am an Irish Republican with very liberal views on abortion, same sex marriage etc. I don't necessarily agree with everything the shinners stand for but I always vote and they are the party that most closely represents my views so they'll get my first preference, there is no alternative.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: imtommygunn on April 27, 2019, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2019, 10:46:05 PM
The uup are not covering themselves in glory. Election leaflets being sent round about alliance siding with the pira. Pretty inflammatory stuff.

I agree. But in Stormont you have to share power. Transferring to UUP indicates who I prefer.

*I appreciate this isn't a Stormont election.

Yeah they are still preferable I agree. Least worst probably best way to describe them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jim Bob on April 27, 2019, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:36:56 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.
1. Well done for your honesty. Genuinely appreciated
2. Interesting that you don't point to a single policy objective as a reason to vote SF
3. Interesting that you don't point to any level of performance delivery on a policy issue as a reason to vote SF
4. There is a way of playing noughts and crosses that guarantees that the other side can't win. The problem is that by putting your cross in those boxes you rule out any chance of you winning. Maybe aim higher when voting. In a zero sum game what we hand on to the next generation won't be any better than what we have today
Not that it is any f**king concern of yours who I vote for but I am an Irish Republican with very liberal views on abortion, same sex marriage etc. I don't necessarily agree with everything the shinners stand for but I always vote and they are the party that most closely represents my views so they'll get my first preference, there is no alternative.


If it's not any f**king concern of another poster who you vote for then why go on ahead and tell them!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: general_lee on April 27, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I vote Sinn Fein for largely the same reasons as Harold Disgracey. In the event of a united ireland I imagine I'd stop voting for them and probably vote Greens. I despise the DUP and pretty much everything they stand for. For all this lazy analysis of how they and SF are two sides of the same dirty coin, where else in the civilised world, other than the most backward backwaters would a party like the DUP get so much support. A bunch of xenophobic, homophobic, sectarian, bigoted, right-wing British nationalists are the biggest party here. After the whole Brexit debacle I just want a border poll and hope to god we get out of this toxic union.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 27, 2019, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 27, 2019, 10:39:27 AM
It probably makes a very marginal difference, but you should give your least favoured candidate the lowest preference and put a number beside every candidate. Failing to do this means the quota is lowered by reducing the number of transferable votes. Therefore your least favoured candidate has a better chance of reaching the quota.

Proof that you learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 27, 2019, 01:22:16 PM
I intend voting SF1, TUV2, SF3, TUV4. Given I'm probably the only person in the history of the world that would vote that way I'm able to watch my vote as it moves from count to count.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 27, 2019, 01:25:58 PM
Never mind council transfers, Dougal. Wouldn't it be great to have Michelle O'Neill & Jim Allister running OFMDFM together - dream ticket?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 07:36:56 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
I shall be voting Sinn Fein 1,2,3 in the Armagh DEA I shall give a preference to the stoops and Alliance, Aontu can go f**k themselves. The primary reason for this is it is the best chance of depriving the DUP of a seat. I make no bones about this.
1. Well done for your honesty. Genuinely appreciated
2. Interesting that you don't point to a single policy objective as a reason to vote SF
3. Interesting that you don't point to any level of performance delivery on a policy issue as a reason to vote SF
4. There is a way of playing noughts and crosses that guarantees that the other side can't win. The problem is that by putting your cross in those boxes you rule out any chance of you winning. Maybe aim higher when voting. In a zero sum game what we hand on to the next generation won't be any better than what we have today
Not that it is any f**king concern of yours who I vote for but I am an Irish Republican with very liberal views on abortion, same sex marriage etc. I don't necessarily agree with everything the shinners stand for but I always vote and they are the party that most closely represents my views so they'll get my first preference, there is no alternative.

It was a civil question. Thank you for the response.

What is the SF councillor or MEP going to do to advance the cause of a United ireland?
What do you make of the SF performance on housing and education?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 27, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I vote Sinn Fein for largely the same reasons as Harold Disgracey. In the event of a united ireland I imagine I'd stop voting for them and probably vote Greens. I despise the DUP and pretty much everything they stand for. For all this lazy analysis of how they and SF are two sides of the same dirty coin, where else in the civilised world, other than the most backward backwaters would a party like the DUP get so much support. A bunch of xenophobic, homophobic, sectarian, bigoted, right-wing British nationalists are the biggest party here. After the whole Brexit debacle I just want a border poll and hope to god we get out of this toxic union.

So you would vote for a SF councillor or MEP to help achieve a UI and then at that point vote for someone else! What do think this councillor or MEP is going to do to achieve a UI?

How would you vote in a Stormont election in a United Ireland?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on April 27, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 27, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I vote Sinn Fein for largely the same reasons as Harold Disgracey. In the event of a united ireland I imagine I'd stop voting for them and probably vote Greens. I despise the DUP and pretty much everything they stand for. For all this lazy analysis of how they and SF are two sides of the same dirty coin, where else in the civilised world, other than the most backward backwaters would a party like the DUP get so much support. A bunch of xenophobic, homophobic, sectarian, bigoted, right-wing British nationalists are the biggest party here. After the whole Brexit debacle I just want a border poll and hope to god we get out of this toxic union.

So you would vote for a SF councillor or MEP to help achieve a UI and then at that point vote for someone else! What do think this councillor or MEP is going to do to achieve a UI?

How would you vote in a Stormont election in a United Ireland?
I think he is hoping / assuming that Stormont will be rubble by then.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
As people from the 6 Cos will still be entitled to the same GFA citizenship provisions in an All Ireland State it's fair to assume there will be a local Assembly/Administration there.

Re not voting the whole ballot paper affecting the quota .....
Unless the 6 Co system is different the Quota is based on the Total Valid poll divided by the number of seats plus 1 ( e.g ÷5 in a 4 seater and so on) and remains at that figure tgrough all the counts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on April 27, 2019, 04:41:18 PM
When they catch Lyra McKees killer, will he be charged with murder?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on April 27, 2019, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
As people from the 6 Cos will still be entitled to the same GFA citizenship provisions in an All Ireland State it's fair to assume there will be a local Assembly/Administration there.

Re not voting the whole ballot paper affecting the quota .....
Unless the 6 Co system is different the Quota is based on the Total Valid poll divided by the number of seats plus 1 ( e.g ÷5 in a 4 seater and so on) and remains at that figure tgrough all the counts.

It's the same in the north.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on April 27, 2019, 06:26:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 27, 2019, 01:22:16 PM
I intend voting SF1, TUV2, SF3, TUV4. Given I'm probably the only person in the history of the world that would vote that way I'm able to watch my vote as it moves from count to count.

I've done tallying before and you would be surprised at what pops up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 27, 2019, 06:48:36 PM
Who ever thought that tallying was so exciting??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 27, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 27, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 27, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I vote Sinn Fein for largely the same reasons as Harold Disgracey. In the event of a united ireland I imagine I'd stop voting for them and probably vote Greens. I despise the DUP and pretty much everything they stand for. For all this lazy analysis of how they and SF are two sides of the same dirty coin, where else in the civilised world, other than the most backward backwaters would a party like the DUP get so much support. A bunch of xenophobic, homophobic, sectarian, bigoted, right-wing British nationalists are the biggest party here. After the whole Brexit debacle I just want a border poll and hope to god we get out of this toxic union.

So you would vote for a SF councillor or MEP to help achieve a UI and then at that point vote for someone else! What do think this councillor or MEP is going to do to achieve a UI?

How would you vote in a Stormont election in a United Ireland?
I think he is hoping / assuming that Stormont will be rubble by then.

He is hardly that stupid.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on April 27, 2019, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
As people from the 6 Cos will still be entitled to the same GFA citizenship provisions in an All Ireland State it's fair to assume there will be a local Assembly/Administration there.

Re not voting the whole ballot paper affecting the quota .....
Unless the 6 Co system is different the Quota is based on the Total Valid poll divided by the number of seats plus 1 ( e.g ÷5 in a 4 seater and so on) and remains at that figure tgrough all the counts.

That's right. I should have put "quota" in quotes or better still not used it. The effect is to reduce the number of votes it takes to get a candidate elected since there are fewer transferable votes. This applies, of course, not to your individual vote but happens if significant numbers of people don't vote all the way down the ballot.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 10:15:05 PM
Pensions???????
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 27, 2019, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

All relative - the wages are a lot higher in south.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: macdanger2 on April 27, 2019, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions,

On what sort of holiday do you go to the supermarket, go to school, go to the doctor, pay tax and draw a pension?  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 27, 2019, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

Of course SF are arrogant. They know they can rely on thousands of people voting for them again.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on April 28, 2019, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

Been following his page out of interest. He certainly has attracted a few well known local supporters. Seems very popular in GAA circles. He'll cause SF problems in the race for that 4th seat, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rudi on April 28, 2019, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

Incredibly aggorant post. The amount of northern workers earning a living in the ROI and subsidised in the NI public sector is unsustainable.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 12:31:00 AM
State Pension 6 Cos £129
26 Cos € 248.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
I worked down south, my brother works down south 12yrs,  and my father lives down south many a year. I visit wexford, kilkenny, and wicklow regularly.. My post ain't ignorant..I know all the differences between life up here and the supposed more sunny side down south Alot of people in for a real big reality check if they ever get their wish. .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on April 28, 2019, 12:46:42 AM
Quote from: Rudi on April 28, 2019, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

Incredibly aggorant post. The amount of northern workers earning a living in the ROI and subsidised in the NI public sector is unsustainable.

Agreed.
Don't understand why the GP argument continues to be peddled in 2019, especially outside of Jim allister and Arlene foster circles.
Yes, it costs €50 to see a GP, but only if you don't have a GMS or GPV card, and are over the age of 5. (To be extended under sláintecare over the next 10 years.)
Anyway, I'd rather pay €50 and be seen today than wait 3-4 weeks for a free (yaaay) NHS GP appointment  ::)

Wages have already been discussed here. I've worked in both jurisdictions. The difference is massive, particularly in the industry I work in. You're taking an extra 60-70% in the south. So I'm not really bothered about paying a bit extra for a litre of milk.

If you do fall on hard times, the southern job seekers allowance is significantly higher, as is its pension.

There is no valid economic argument for keeping NI in the UK anymore. It is purely a identity argument dressed up in false economics at this stage.

Oh how the tables have turned....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 28, 2019, 01:03:08 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

worshipping the money god here  ??? ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on April 28, 2019, 08:09:34 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 28, 2019, 01:03:08 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

worshipping the money god here  ??? ::)

Not at all. I would have voted for a united Ireland if the economics were reversed. I'm just debunking the (mostly) unionist driven nonsense that we would be worse off in a 32 county republic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 28, 2019, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

SF the only ones to have knocked on my door. SDLP and alliance posted their material
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on April 28, 2019, 08:43:26 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2019, 04:41:18 PM
When they catch Lyra McKees killer, will he be charged with murder?

Would certainly hope so
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: michaelg on April 28, 2019, 09:06:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
As people from the 6 Cos will still be entitled to the same GFA citizenship provisions in an All Ireland State it's fair to assume there will be a local Assembly/Administration there.

Re not voting the whole ballot paper affecting the quota .....
Unless the 6 Co system is different the Quota is based on the Total Valid poll divided by the number of seats plus 1 ( e.g ÷5 in a 4 seater and so on) and remains at that figure tgrough all the counts.
What's the point then?  Other than losing free health care and all the benefits that come from the UK welfare system, what benefits will come from a UI?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 28, 2019, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 28, 2019, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

SF the only ones to have knocked on my door. SDLP and alliance posted their material

I hope SF knock on my door. I'll be telling them where to go.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on April 28, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/everybody-knew-there-was-going-to-be-bother-in-the-north-1.3872648

Many young people in the Creggan reasonably believe that, for all the talk of a new generation's new attitudes and the promise of "moving on" to a brighter future, their own situation is not getting better but, if anything, getting worse.
More than half (54 per cent) of the population of the electoral area which includes the Creggan have low or no qualifications. There are people with degrees on Sainsbury's checkout. What chance a start with no A-levels?
Welfare reforms brought in by the Conservative government and passed on by Stormont have pushed many young people out of the benefits system entirely. They find themselves entitled to nothing at all unless, bizarrely, they can show that they have been "actively seeking work" for 35 hours a week. Some simply stop registering.
The state agencies have lost track of 40 per cent of those leaving the register. Literally, a lost generation.

In the wake of McKee's death, there may well be more support for the PSNI in traditionally nationalist areas. Saoradh and the New IRA may be on the brink of disintegration. But the conditions which have cast thousands of young people beyond the reach of respectable society haven't gone away.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
Quote from: michaelg on April 28, 2019, 09:06:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
As people from the 6 Cos will still be entitled to the same GFA citizenship provisions in an All Ireland State it's fair to assume there will be a local Assembly/Administration there.

Re not voting the whole ballot paper affecting the quota .....
Unless the 6 Co system is different the Quota is based on the Total Valid poll divided by the number of seats plus 1 ( e.g ÷5 in a 4 seater and so on) and remains at that figure tgrough all the counts.
What's the point then?  Other than losing free health care and all the benefits that come from the UK welfare system, what benefits will come from a UI?
We have a Social Welfare system too with higher rates than the British ones.
;)

 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Kidder81 on April 28, 2019, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
Quote from: michaelg on April 28, 2019, 09:06:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
As people from the 6 Cos will still be entitled to the same GFA citizenship provisions in an All Ireland State it's fair to assume there will be a local Assembly/Administration there.

Re not voting the whole ballot paper affecting the quota .....
Unless the 6 Co system is different the Quota is based on the Total Valid poll divided by the number of seats plus 1 ( e.g ÷5 in a 4 seater and so on) and remains at that figure tgrough all the counts.
What's the point then?  Other than losing free health care and all the benefits that come from the UK welfare system, what benefits will come from a UI?
We have a Social Welfare system too with higher rates than the British ones.
;)



What other elements are there ? Separate Disability benefits like DLA/PIP ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 12:11:15 PM
https://m.welfare.ie/en/Pages/bud19s1.aspx
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on April 28, 2019, 01:19:58 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

Once you mentioned pensions, it was clearly a wind up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on April 28, 2019, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/everybody-knew-there-was-going-to-be-bother-in-the-north-1.3872648

Many young people in the Creggan reasonably believe that, for all the talk of a new generation's new attitudes and the promise of "moving on" to a brighter future, their own situation is not getting better but, if anything, getting worse.
More than half (54 per cent) of the population of the electoral area which includes the Creggan have low or no qualifications. There are people with degrees on Sainsbury's checkout. What chance a start with no A-levels?
Welfare reforms brought in by the Conservative government and passed on by Stormont have pushed many young people out of the benefits system entirely. They find themselves entitled to nothing at all unless, bizarrely, they can show that they have been "actively seeking work" for 35 hours a week. Some simply stop registering.
The state agencies have lost track of 40 per cent of those leaving the register. Literally, a lost generation.

In the wake of McKee's death, there may well be more support for the PSNI in traditionally nationalist areas. Saoradh and the New IRA may be on the brink of disintegration. But the conditions which have cast thousands of young people beyond the reach of respectable society haven't gone away.

Always looking an excuse for their behaviour.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 27, 2019, 08:31:16 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 27, 2019, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
I'll be voting SDLP. I will transfer to Alliance and UUP. Parties interested in making NI work.
Power sharing is the only show in town. If you think that a Unity referendum is achievable and more importantly winnable in the near future you are living in cloud cuckoo land. It is a distraction tactic used by SF to cover their own shortcomings. I am in favour of a United Ireland. Nut understand there is much work to be done before it's achievable.

NI can never work. It is a deeply flawed project that has had 100 years and had failed miserably since its inception. Power sharing is only a way of keeping the two communities from killing each other until the inevitable happens and "our wee country" is put out of its misery once and for all.

As much as I hate to agree with a Tyrone man, but that is all very true.

Well if you agree with then perhaps you can help explain what put out of misery means in this context given The GFA
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2019, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

Of course SF are arrogant. They know they can rely on thousands of people voting for them again.

You would have to expect that eventually SF and DUP's arrogance would come home to roost. Why wait and leave this place in limbo?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 28, 2019, 12:46:42 AM
Quote from: Rudi on April 28, 2019, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 27, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Having a border poll and winning one is another matter. After a weeks holiday down here. I can't believe the cost of food in the shops., Scandalous. The cost of comparative foods is ridiculous. Add in run down schools(yes even worst than up north) doctor and medical bills, higher tax rates and poorer pensions, No politician can make a sensible argument for a united Ireland, on those grounds to someone else who doesnt see through the green tinted glasses 75% of the posters here have for a united Ireland, no matter how poor circumstances may become. Its hard enough to pay of mortgage etc as is. Only plus for down south is a superior road network.
Would I vote for a united Ireland, probably yes,  but there be enough sensible voters to vote against my moment of madness. A united Ireland still at least 20yrs off and that's been kind.

Incredibly aggorant post. The amount of northern workers earning a living in the ROI and subsidised in the NI public sector is unsustainable.

Agreed.
Don't understand why the GP argument continues to be peddled in 2019, especially outside of Jim allister and Arlene foster circles.
Yes, it costs €50 to see a GP, but only if you don't have a GMS or GPV card, and are over the age of 5. (To be extended under sláintecare over the next 10 years.)
Anyway, I'd rather pay €50 and be seen today than wait 3-4 weeks for a free (yaaay) NHS GP appointment  ::)

Wages have already been discussed here. I've worked in both jurisdictions. The difference is massive, particularly in the industry I work in. You're taking an extra 60-70% in the south. So I'm not really bothered about paying a bit extra for a litre of milk.

If you do fall on hard times, the southern job seekers allowance is significantly higher, as is its pension.

There is no valid economic argument for keeping NI in the UK anymore. It is purely a identity argument dressed up in false economics at this stage.

Oh how the tables have turned....

In my experience if I need a free NHS appointment today I get one today. If I ask for "the next available appointment " I (rightly) get one from the non emergency list. This seems entirely correct
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on April 30, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2019, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

Of course SF are arrogant. They know they can rely on thousands of people voting for them again.

You would have to expect that eventually SF and DUP's arrogance would come home to roost. Why wait and leave this place in limbo?

I doubt it. This place it continually in limbo.

I got a SF leaflet in the post today. Blaming everyone but themselves. That'll get their voters out in force. Spouting Mumbo jumbo political bullshit that means nothing. And no mention of what they have actually done since the last election.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on April 30, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
In any normal functioning democracy SF are a protest vote. 10%-14%. They hang out on the fringes of democracy. Their policies are anti business, anti family, and anti growth. That's what they are. Even in NI where they have most support they only command 25% - 30% of the vote. If you want to go nowhere, sit at home and claim the dole, votail Sinn Fein.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:11:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 30, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
In any normal functioning democracy SF are a protest vote. 10%-14%. They hang out on the fringes of democracy. Their policies are anti business, anti family, and anti growth. That's what they are. Even in NI where they have most support they only command 25% - 30% of the vote. If you want to go nowhere, sit at home and claim the dole, votail Sinn Fein.

Very nice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?

Good question - hard to assess if it makes any difference.  People who usually knock your door are away down the list in terms of policy making and are usually in to 'help' out at elections.

The problem here is you don't knock the door, you're a p***k and if you do, you're still a p***k.

Too many negative people on here - all about, they are useless, he's no good, don't have any time for them etc. etc.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 30, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2019, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
The Independent lad from Coalisland Dan Kerr is the only candidate to have knocked on my door so far. I think he might do ok. The arrogance of SF is shocking tbh.

Of course SF are arrogant. They know they can rely on thousands of people voting for them again.

You would have to expect that eventually SF and DUP's arrogance would come home to roost. Why wait and leave this place in limbo?

I doubt it. This place it continually in limbo.

I got a SF leaflet in the post today. Blaming everyone but themselves. That'll get their voters out in force. Spouting Mumbo jumbo political bullshit that means nothing. And no mention of what they have actually done since the last election.

It doesn't have to be that way. Vote Alliance and move the dial.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?

Good question - hard to assess if it makes any difference.  People who usually knock your door are away down the list in terms of policy making and are usually in to 'help' out at elections.

The problem here is you don't knock the door, you're a p***k and if you do, you're still a p***k.

Too many negative people on here - all about, they are useless, he's no good, don't have any time for them etc. etc.

Correct that those knocking the door are unlikely to be the candidate. Also true that its the larger parties that are more likely to knock the door as they have the volunteer resource to do so.

The negativity here is about parties that there is every grounds to be negative about. Presumably posters are positive about other candidates. What is there to complain about in that?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 30, 2019, 11:42:20 PM
No one called at the door this year during evening or weekend when peopIe be in. leaflets dropped in during the day.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MoChara on May 01, 2019, 09:05:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 30, 2019, 11:42:20 PM
No one called at the door this year during evening or weekend when peopIe be in. leaflets dropped in during the day.

I got a Sinn Fein leaflet through the door this year with someones blood scrawled over the front of it, I'm not sure if they want me to vote for them or they were sending a message  ;D ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RedHand88 on May 01, 2019, 10:26:23 AM
Unbelievable the amount of bluffing on both sides regarding councillors affecting Brexit. Aren't they more concerned with leisure centres and traffic lights?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on May 01, 2019, 11:57:48 AM
Interesting article on canvassing and voter turnout, shared by a friend of mine who is standing for Alliance in the local elections.

https://www.pnas.org/content/96/19/10939
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Applesisapples on May 01, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
I suppose I would be what is blandly called a cultural nationalist. I would need to be persuaded that a UI would not be disadvantageous to my standard of living. I am a keen observer of politics on this Island and abroad. Health is a major issue no matter where you live. Housing is as big an issue in Belfast as it is in Dublin. The NHS has many issues, I personally have paid about £1500 over the last two years to get private appointments for debilitating conditions which are not life threatening. I earn considerably less in my job (about 40%) than someone doing a similar job in the ROI. Cost of food would not be a concern, a frequent visitor to Donegal we always buy in the local Supervalu or Aldi and process appear on the whole for fresh foods to be commensurate with home. My wife friend feeds her family of 4 adult children by travelling from north to Aldi, saves a fortune she reckons. So what do I need convincing on? Firstly loyalist unrest, I'd be worried that this might be sparked off, so they need assurances (assurances that we did not get with partition). Secondly that as an ageing person more in need of the health service now, that I would be better off or at least not worst of financially with healthcare provision. That wages in the north would increase to keep pace with the higher cost of housing and other services. I need to see SF and the SDLP address this issues. But Brexit also has made me lean more towards a UI as has Unionism's failure to address parity for my national identity within the state to which the ask me to give my allegiance.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: oakleaflad on May 01, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?

Good question - hard to assess if it makes any difference.  People who usually knock your door are away down the list in terms of policy making and are usually in to 'help' out at elections.

The problem here is you don't knock the door, you're a p***k and if you do, you're still a p***k.

Too many negative people on here - all about, they are useless, he's no good, don't have any time for them etc. etc.

Correct that those knocking the door are unlikely to be the candidate. Also true that its the larger parties that are more likely to knock the door as they have the volunteer resource to do so.

The negativity here is about parties that there is every grounds to be negative about. Presumably posters are positive about other candidates. What is there to complain about in that?
I've found the opposite. I've only had Independent candidates knock at the door and talk. The larger parties put leaflets through the letter box during the day when we were at work.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardtole on May 01, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 01, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
I suppose I would be what is blandly called a cultural nationalist. I would need to be persuaded that a UI would not be disadvantageous to my standard of living. I am a keen observer of politics on this Island and abroad. Health is a major issue no matter where you live. Housing is as big an issue in Belfast as it is in Dublin. The NHS has many issues, I personally have paid about £1500 over the last two years to get private appointments for debilitating conditions which are not life threatening. I earn considerably less in my job (about 40%) than someone doing a similar job in the ROI. Cost of food would not be a concern, a frequent visitor to Donegal we always buy in the local Supervalu or Aldi and process appear on the whole for fresh foods to be commensurate with home. My wife friend feeds her family of 4 adult children by travelling from north to Aldi, saves a fortune she reckons. So what do I need convincing on? Firstly loyalist unrest, I'd be worried that this might be sparked off, so they need assurances (assurances that we did not get with partition). Secondly that as an ageing person more in need of the health service now, that I would be better off or at least not worst of financially with healthcare provision. That wages in the north would increase to keep pace with the higher cost of housing and other services. I need to see SF and the SDLP address this issues. But Brexit also has made me lean more towards a UI as has Unionism's failure to address parity for my national identity within the state to which the ask me to give my allegiance.

There probably would be a loyalist backlash if a United Ireland was voted in. However if the 26 counties voted against a United Ireland I think there could a huge nationalist backlash due to a feeling of betrayal. Something that I've never heard mentioned but I feel  would cause a huge division between north and south.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on May 01, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 01, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
I suppose I would be what is blandly called a cultural nationalist. I would need to be persuaded that a UI would not be disadvantageous to my standard of living. I am a keen observer of politics on this Island and abroad. Health is a major issue no matter where you live. Housing is as big an issue in Belfast as it is in Dublin. The NHS has many issues, I personally have paid about £1500 over the last two years to get private appointments for debilitating conditions which are not life threatening. I earn considerably less in my job (about 40%) than someone doing a similar job in the ROI. Cost of food would not be a concern, a frequent visitor to Donegal we always buy in the local Supervalu or Aldi and process appear on the whole for fresh foods to be commensurate with home. My wife friend feeds her family of 4 adult children by travelling from north to Aldi, saves a fortune she reckons. So what do I need convincing on? Firstly loyalist unrest, I'd be worried that this might be sparked off, so they need assurances (assurances that we did not get with partition). Secondly that as an ageing person more in need of the health service now, that I would be better off or at least not worst of financially with healthcare provision. That wages in the north would increase to keep pace with the higher cost of housing and other services. I need to see SF and the SDLP address this issues. But Brexit also has made me lean more towards a UI as has Unionism's failure to address parity for my national identity within the state to which the ask me to give my allegiance.

A total waste of time. You could promise them anything, but it's all about the flag.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: armaghniac on May 01, 2019, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 01, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
Secondly that as an ageing person more in need of the health service now, that I would be better off or at least not worst of financially with healthcare provision.

Well men live a year and a half longer on average in the Republic, a gap that has opened up in the last 5 years or so as life expectancy in NI for men actually declined marginally.
Around the time of the GFA, men lived a year longer in the North than the South, since the South has gone up by 7 and the North by 4.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dire Ear on May 01, 2019, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 01, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 01, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
I suppose I would be what is blandly called a cultural nationalist. I would need to be persuaded that a UI would not be disadvantageous to my standard of living. I am a keen observer of politics on this Island and abroad. Health is a major issue no matter where you live. Housing is as big an issue in Belfast as it is in Dublin. The NHS has many issues, I personally have paid about £1500 over the last two years to get private appointments for debilitating conditions which are not life threatening. I earn considerably less in my job (about 40%) than someone doing a similar job in the ROI. Cost of food would not be a concern, a frequent visitor to Donegal we always buy in the local Supervalu or Aldi and process appear on the whole for fresh foods to be commensurate with home. My wife friend feeds her family of 4 adult children by travelling from north to Aldi, saves a fortune she reckons. So what do I need convincing on? Firstly loyalist unrest, I'd be worried that this might be sparked off, so they need assurances (assurances that we did not get with partition). Secondly that as an ageing person more in need of the health service now, that I would be better off or at least not worst of financially with healthcare provision. That wages in the north would increase to keep pace with the higher cost of housing and other services. I need to see SF and the SDLP address this issues. But Brexit also has made me lean more towards a UI as has Unionism's failure to address parity for my national identity within the state to which the ask me to give my allegiance.

A total waste of time. You could promise them anything, but it's all about the flag.
Actually think the pound is more important to "them"
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 01, 2019, 06:19:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 01, 2019, 10:26:23 AM
Unbelievable the amount of bluffing on both sides regarding councillors affecting Brexit. Aren't they more concerned with leisure centres and traffic lights?

Great question. In the ABC council area there's a big debate raging about the plan to build the new Southern Regional College campus in the Craigavon City Park by the balancing lakes. There's a lot of local opposition to this, and there have been big protests at the civic centre during council meetings, but I doubt if there'll be any change to voting habits on green/orange lines.

It's a shame too. There are a lot of issues beyond "leisure centres and traffic lights" that local councils still have some control over. A big problem in the ABC council area is the neglect of the Lurgan and Portadown town centres while more runaway development keeps getting approved at Rushmere "you can park here for free all day" Retail Park, sucking the commercial life out of the towns and sacrificing family businesses in favour of big corporations. I see big problems ahead for the way the old towns are being treated, but you try bringing that to the council's attention when everyone's obsessed with the constitutional question which is completely outside the jurisdiction of local government.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: smelmoth on May 01, 2019, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?

Good question - hard to assess if it makes any difference.  People who usually knock your door are away down the list in terms of policy making and are usually in to 'help' out at elections.

The problem here is you don't knock the door, you're a p***k and if you do, you're still a p***k.

Too many negative people on here - all about, they are useless, he's no good, don't have any time for them etc. etc.

Correct that those knocking the door are unlikely to be the candidate. Also true that its the larger parties that are more likely to knock the door as they have the volunteer resource to do so.

The negativity here is about parties that there is every grounds to be negative about. Presumably posters are positive about other candidates. What is there to complain about in that?
I've found the opposite. I've only had Independent candidates knock at the door and talk. The larger parties put leaflets through the letter box during the day when we were at work.

Well SF and DUP absolutely have the resources to call at the door. If they are not calling at the door they are choosing not to do so. SF now abstaining from the doorstep
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 01, 2019, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?

Good question - hard to assess if it makes any difference.  People who usually knock your door are away down the list in terms of policy making and are usually in to 'help' out at elections.

The problem here is you don't knock the door, you're a p***k and if you do, you're still a p***k.

Too many negative people on here - all about, they are useless, he's no good, don't have any time for them etc. etc.

Correct that those knocking the door are unlikely to be the candidate. Also true that its the larger parties that are more likely to knock the door as they have the volunteer resource to do so.

The negativity here is about parties that there is every grounds to be negative about. Presumably posters are positive about other candidates. What is there to complain about in that?
I've found the opposite. I've only had Independent candidates knock at the door and talk. The larger parties put leaflets through the letter box during the day when we were at work.

Well SF and DUP absolutely have the resources to call at the door. If they are not calling at the door they are choosing not to do so. SF now abstaining from the doorstep

That's lol from me.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 07:53:44 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 01, 2019, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 30, 2019, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:25:11 PM
Bit off topic, but a geniune question -

Those who are on the fence with regards to who to vote for come Thursday - do Candidates knocking on your door do anything positive that would influence you to vote for them? Or is it an outdated PR stunt?

Good question - hard to assess if it makes any difference.  People who usually knock your door are away down the list in terms of policy making and are usually in to 'help' out at elections.

The problem here is you don't knock the door, you're a p***k and if you do, you're still a p***k.

Too many negative people on here - all about, they are useless, he's no good, don't have any time for them etc. etc.

Correct that those knocking the door are unlikely to be the candidate. Also true that its the larger parties that are more likely to knock the door as they have the volunteer resource to do so.

The negativity here is about parties that there is every grounds to be negative about. Presumably posters are positive about other candidates. What is there to complain about in that?
I've found the opposite. I've only had Independent candidates knock at the door and talk. The larger parties put leaflets through the letter box during the day when we were at work.

Well SF and DUP absolutely have the resources to call at the door. If they are not calling at the door they are choosing not to do so. SF now abstaining from the doorstep

Certainly not in my area. sad we're calling on doors on multiple occasions over the last few weeks. Other parties posted their stuff. And managed to get the owner of the house wrong
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 12, 2020, 09:21:57 PM
I'm sure this is one area where we'll all find total agreement, if this guy is the one behind it all, I hope he's locked away for a long time, spills the beans on the whole lot in that area and gives the people of Creggan a chance to move on without them brainwashing the youth of the area any longer.

Unfortunately I've a feeling this will be one of those ones that rumbles on for awhile with the prosecution case collapsing mysteriously. I hope I'm very wrong.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
What's up with that bomb that was found at Silverwood industrial estate in Lurgan?  Why would they try to bomb a ferry? Do they want to sink it or something? Thankfully the stupid gulpins put it on the wrong trailer and nobody was hurt in the end, but it could have gone off in the yard.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
What's up with that bomb that was found at Silverwood industrial estate in Lurgan?  Why would they try to bomb a ferry? Do they want to sink it or something? Thankfully the stupid gulpins put it on the wrong trailer and nobody was hurt in the end, but it could have gone off in the yard.
I'm a bit sceptical about this one tbh, not everything adds up
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: themac_23 on February 13, 2020, 01:29:25 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
What's up with that bomb that was found at Silverwood industrial estate in Lurgan?  Why would they try to bomb a ferry? Do they want to sink it or something? Thankfully the stupid gulpins put it on the wrong trailer and nobody was hurt in the end, but it could have gone off in the yard.
I'm a bit sceptical about this one tbh, not everything adds up

agreed, it was never going to get on the boat, if they'd planned on getting it on the boat they could have put it a lot of places that were discreet, the way it was placed and where it was placed was always going to be spotted. seems like a publicity stunt to get their 'campaign' in the headlines
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 13, 2020, 02:06:59 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
What's up with that bomb that was found at Silverwood industrial estate in Lurgan?  Why would they try to bomb a ferry? Do they want to sink it or something? Thankfully the stupid gulpins put it on the wrong trailer and nobody was hurt in the end, but it could have gone off in the yard.
I'm a bit sceptical about this one tbh, not everything adds up

Look at the state of it sure, held together with electrical tape you can buy in home bargains for 99p ffs.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on February 13, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
What's up with that bomb that was found at Silverwood industrial estate in Lurgan?  Why would they try to bomb a ferry? Do they want to sink it or something? Thankfully the stupid gulpins put it on the wrong trailer and nobody was hurt in the end, but it could have gone off in the yard.
I'm a bit sceptical about this one tbh, not everything adds up

Same here. I'm so sceptical in fact, that I doubt there even was a device planted in the first place.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Downtothewire on February 13, 2020, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 13, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
What's up with that bomb that was found at Silverwood industrial estate in Lurgan?  Why would they try to bomb a ferry? Do they want to sink it or something? Thankfully the stupid gulpins put it on the wrong trailer and nobody was hurt in the end, but it could have gone off in the yard.
I'm a bit sceptical about this one tbh, not everything adds up

Same here. I'm so sceptical in fact, that I doubt there even was a device planted in the first place.




Securicrats perhaps?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on February 13, 2020, 05:12:37 PM
Man in court for the murder of Lyra McKee - how likely are they to go for a murder conviction, i.e. how is it not manslaughter?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I don't get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on February 13, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
Part of a joint enterprise?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: naka on February 13, 2020, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
Part of a joint enterprise?
Argument then  by the defence QC could be that every rioter there was part of the joint enterprise.
It's going to be a toughie to prosecute.
Don't see it myself.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
Part of a joint enterprise?
Argument then  by the defence QC could be that every rioter there was part of the joint enterprise.
It's going to be a toughie to prosecute.
Don't see it myself.
I'm no fan of saoradh but like the Craigavon PSNI murder in 2009 it looks like they'll use whatever weak evidence is at hand to push for a conviction.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: naka on February 13, 2020, 10:49:51 PM
Agreed the craigavon 2 case stinks to high heaven inevery respect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dec on February 13, 2020, 11:07:56 PM
The articles say he has been charged "in connection" with the murder.

The charge might not be murder, it could be manslaughter or some other charge.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2020, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I don't get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Was it their intent to kill someone? Does the victim matter? Whoever brought the gun, used it to shoot at people to kill them, I don't think they were shooting for the craic. Had they shot a family member you might have a different view on it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: BennyCake on February 14, 2020, 12:09:06 AM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 10:49:51 PM
Agreed the craigavon 2 case stinks to high heaven inevery respect.

It certainly does.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on February 14, 2020, 06:19:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2020, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I don't get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Was it their intent to kill someone? Does the victim matter? Whoever brought the gun, used it to shoot at people to kill them, I don't think they were shooting for the craic. Had they shot a family member you might have a different view on it

I don't support them and hope that the people who done it go down but I don't see how they prove intent in this case and therefore murder. Intent is the key word. Motive may come into to I suppose. I'm not a legal professional at all, I done a bit of it while school but nothing more, hence my question. Are you?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2020, 08:28:05 AM
Opportunistic charging following on from Republican success in election....who'd have thunked it?  He will not face trial likely and the defence will have the charges withdrawn at early legal arguments.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 13, 2020, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
Part of a joint enterprise?
Argument then  by the defence QC could be that every rioter there was part of the joint enterprise.
It's going to be a toughie to prosecute.
Don't see it myself.
I'm no fan of saoradh but like the Craigavon PSNI murder in 2009 it looks like they'll use whatever weak evidence is at hand to push for a conviction.

Pressure from the top will do that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2020, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 14, 2020, 06:19:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2020, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I don't get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Was it their intent to kill someone? Does the victim matter? Whoever brought the gun, used it to shoot at people to kill them, I don't think they were shooting for the craic. Had they shot a family member you might have a different view on it

I don't support them and hope that the people who done it go down but I don't see how they prove intent in this case and therefore murder. Intent is the key word. Motive may come into to I suppose. I'm not a legal professional at all, I done a bit of it while school but nothing more, hence my question. Are you?

I'm not saying for a second the guy they have lifted has done the shooting, and unless the courts can prove he did that's how it will be, but whoever brought a gun to a riot to shoot at people, was intent on killing people or someone. That happened, whether he intended to shoot the girl, that's another question. The law around the murdering of someone has to show intent and I get that completely. I've no idea on the court system and I haven't brought that into my post, its just my view
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on February 14, 2020, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I don't get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Mens rea can also be established if a an action is deemed so reckless that it showed disregard for human life.   Firing into a crowd of people could be adjudged to be such an action.

Joint enterprise could be invoked for taking the shells away to remove evidence.

/Jim.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tonto1888 on February 14, 2020, 04:54:58 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on February 14, 2020, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: naka on February 13, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 12, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

QuotePolice in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I don't get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Mens rea can also be established if a an action is deemed so reckless that it showed disregard for human life.   Firing into a crowd of people could be adjudged to be such an action.

Joint enterprise could be invoked for taking the shells away to remove evidence.

/Jim.

Cheers for that. However, what is joint enterprise