Fermanagh v Armagh Brewster Pk Sat 19th May 7:00pm

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SkillfulBill

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2018, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2018, 10:27:36 AM

From my own point of view, my intention to referencing the cynicism of Fermanagh was simply to present it as an observation on my part - not a complaint. Armagh last night have too many concerns of our own to worry about what others do.

Our great team of the noughties had a reputation for cynicism, but my feeling would be it was not for trash talking or feigning injury, or indeed disrupting the opposition kick-outs by pinging a second football onto the pitch. Maybe others will disagree and point to some specific incident from 2007 that totally undermines what I said. Ho hum.

The behaviour yesterday from Fermanagh was no surprise given that McMenamin is in the management team.  it would have been poor enough with Gallagher in charge but McMenamin bring things to another level, to that previously was the preserve of his Tyrone teams.

In general the squad from 1999 to 2008 played a hard game and while blocking off the running player was a tactic and not against any rule, the players with the possible exception of Marty O'Rourke didn't bother with the trash talk that was so evident yesterday from the Fermanagh team.  They have taken the feigning of injury to a level that Tyrone have set since 2003.  While Grimley was stupid in swinging his arm, Quigley, who has serious form for cheating, fell to the ground instantly holding his face.

Very unfair on Fermanagh to place all the praise for Armaghs  defeat at the feet of a Tyrone Legend. Armagh state of ineptitude is solely the responsibility of money bags management. 4 Years first round exit not even Mickey Harte would survive that.

giveballaghback

Its ironic to hear the crying about puke football from the province that invented it, yes other teams in other provinces now use it especially any team who have ulster input in their backroom team, Galway/Mayo in my own province being our local example, Dublin adapted it after their Donegal demise in 2014 but to their credit play football for the most part and their level of use is acceptable maybe. Mayo in fairness have played some tremendous football over the last number of years but their is an ugly edge of outright cheating to their play. Galway formally known as the aristocrats of football are now well and truly the aristoshits of puke football. Their are many other examples in other provinces.
Lets hope those teams playing the 13-1 system get well and truly stuffed this championship and we can return to some sort of a level of entertaining football.

Jinxy

Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Armagh have been playing division 3 football for two years. You're expecting too much. If the talent was there, that wouldn't have happened. Armagh have played 14 division 3 games in 2 years and won 9 of them.

That 2014 side which knocked Tyrone out was the last decent outfit. You had two Kernans, Clarke and Mallon.

It's just a dip in the talent pool, systems or none.

And it's fcukin glorious.
Schadenfreude is lovely but it doesn't win all Irelands. Neither does groupthink.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-one-knows-where-tyrone-are-at-sean-cavanagh-hoping-to-see-impact-of-stephen-oneill-in-red-hand-attack-36915715.html
"Mickey's certainly the boss," Cavanagh responds when asked whether players have an input in team meetings. "No, no, you don't stand up, no. Mickey's very single-minded in his approach and I think anyone who knows him (feels the same)."

Cavanagh details "quite an autocratic style" of leadership during Harte's lengthy reign and doubts whether Tyrone will adopt a more attacking approach against Monaghan following their harrowing All-Ireland SFC semi-final loss to Dublin last August.

Would he have sacrificed an Ulster title to play more expansive football?

"It's easy to say it now but at the time, genuinely, and this is the big thing, when you're an inter-county footballer, and Mickey is a very convincing manager as well, whenever you're in that zone, you think nothing else but what Mickey is telling you.

"It's only on reflection afterwards that you realise that you would have liked maybe to try something different. At the time I was 100pc convinced that we'd win an All-Ireland last year.

Sounds like he escaped a cult.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

tonto1888

Quote from: keeperlit on May 20, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 20, 2018, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 20, 2018, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: keeperlit on May 20, 2018, 09:39:27 AM
[quote author=Erne Man link=topic=28631.msg1808827#msg1808827 date=15 Didn't see what happened re the sending off, but I thought McGeeney was going to clock young Grimley when he came off - so I can only assume what he did was daft.

Should not have been in the field to get sent off as management  should have had grimly subbed after about 20 mins into first half. Was having a stinker.

You aren't allowed to make 15 substitutions and there were quite a few worse than him. If Armagh are to progress they need to find more players like him. One rash moment and people would lynch a fella. If Dublin had taken that route in 2003 when Cluxton kicked McDonnell they may not have as many All Ireland's.

Agree with this. Grimley was far from the worst up until his red.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to lynch the fella. My perception from watching the match was that Niall was having a poor game and that a few Fermanagh scores came directly from him and was not generally involved in the game at all. Sometimes this happens to players on any given day. Could be wrong but would need to watch it again. Agree that you could have subbed any amount of boys but some of the substitutions were baffling to say the least.
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I get ye mate. I'm not saying he was having a good game, just that there were players who were having worse games. Crealy being one. He could have been subbed long before he was

tonto1888

Quote from: FermGael on May 20, 2018, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2018, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2018, 10:27:36 AM

From my own point of view, my intention to referencing the cynicism of Fermanagh was simply to present it as an observation on my part - not a complaint. Armagh last night have too many concerns of our own to worry about what others do.

Our great team of the noughties had a reputation for cynicism, but my feeling would be it was not for trash talking or feigning injury, or indeed disrupting the opposition kick-outs by pinging a second football onto the pitch. Maybe others will disagree and point to some specific incident from 2007 that totally undermines what I said. Ho hum.

The behaviour yesterday from Fermanagh was no surprise given that McMenamin is in the management team.  it would have been poor enough with Gallagher in charge but McMenamin bring things to another level, to that previously was the preserve of his Tyrone teams.

In general the squad from 1999 to 2008 played a hard game and while blocking off the running player was a tactic and not against any rule, the players with the possible exception of Marty O'Rourke didn't bother with the trash talk that was so evident yesterday from the Fermanagh team.  They have taken the feigning of injury to a level that Tyrone have set since 2003.  While Grimley was stupid in swinging his arm, Quigley, who has serious form for cheating, fell to the ground instantly holding his face. 

Owen you need to take the orange glasses off.
The 'treatment' that both Quigley brothers got yesterday was very noticeable.
I watched it and they didn't react.
Daniel Teague came off the bench and was immediately subject to the same 'treatment'.

Sean received a forearm in the face.  That's a red card.
The Armagh tackling was shocking.  Made it easy for the referee.
Armagh went out to be physical and try and bully Fermanagh.
Armagh didn't score from play after the 16th minute.
Armagh were completely cleaned around midfield as well.
That's why Armagh got beat.

Armagh were crap. We know that. Our tackling was, and has been for a long time,poor.
However, the antics of your players in regards to going down as if shot was bad and I wouldn't be happy with it. The off the ball nonsense and blocking off runs I can take as we all do it. The sledging, while not pleasant, happens all the time too but I just don't like the feigning of injury.

Aaron Boone

Armagh should win their home game in Super 8's, the Athletic Grounds would be rocking. After that anything can happen.

McGeeney is highly-rated nationally and hasnt shied away from big challenges in the past. He will ensure Armagh bounce back.

Cunny Funt

The Quigley brothers looks a lot slimmer these days are they training more and eating less pizzas theses days?

I also see Ryan McMenamin is going for a Jesus look nowadays


Throw ball

Quote from: FermGael on May 20, 2018, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2018, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2018, 10:27:36 AM

From my own point of view, my intention to referencing the cynicism of Fermanagh was simply to present it as an observation on my part - not a complaint. Armagh last night have too many concerns of our own to worry about what others do.

Our great team of the noughties had a reputation for cynicism, but my feeling would be it was not for trash talking or feigning injury, or indeed disrupting the opposition kick-outs by pinging a second football onto the pitch. Maybe others will disagree and point to some specific incident from 2007 that totally undermines what I said. Ho hum.

The behaviour yesterday from Fermanagh was no surprise given that McMenamin is in the management team.  it would have been poor enough with Gallagher in charge but McMenamin bring things to another level, to that previously was the preserve of his Tyrone teams.

In general the squad from 1999 to 2008 played a hard game and while blocking off the running player was a tactic and not against any rule, the players with the possible exception of Marty O'Rourke didn't bother with the trash talk that was so evident yesterday from the Fermanagh team.  They have taken the feigning of injury to a level that Tyrone have set since 2003.  While Grimley was stupid in swinging his arm, Quigley, who has serious form for cheating, fell to the ground instantly holding his face. 

Owen you need to take the orange glasses off.
The 'treatment' that both Quigley brothers got yesterday was very noticeable.
I watched it and they didn't react.
Daniel Teague came off the bench and was immediately subject to the same 'treatment'.

Sean received a forearm in the face.  That's a red card.
The Armagh tackling was shocking.  Made it easy for the referee.
Armagh went out to be physical and try and bully Fermanagh.
Armagh didn't score from play after the 16th minute.
Armagh were completely cleaned around midfield as well.
That's why Armagh got beat.

I think I read earlier a Fermanagh contributor complaining that the referee wouldn't let any physical contact. Interesting how views differ

Throw ball

Just noticed Clare number 11 in hurling getting a yellow card for a similar tackle to the one Grimley got sent off for.

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: Throw ball on May 20, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
Just noticed Clare number 11 in hurling getting a yellow card for a similar tackle to the one Grimley got sent off for.

That's because his opponent didn't roll around in feigned agony, clutching his face and took it in a manly fashion without trying to get his man sent off.

thewobbler

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 20, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
Just noticed Clare number 11 in hurling getting a yellow card for a similar tackle to the one Grimley got sent off for.

That's because his opponent didn't roll around in feigned agony, clutching his face and took it in a manly fashion without trying to get his man sent off.


To be honest I reckon it's more to do with media punditry.

In hurling, the analysts describe anything short of a night in hospital as men being men. So the masses buy into this, and what referee really wants to go against the masses?

Whereas in football, there's a queue of absolute shithead analysts waiting to denounce anything and everything as GBH, especially when one of their own county's team is tackled. So everything goes under the spotlight, the public go up in arms, and referees have no choice but to do what is demanded off them.

The levels of diving and injury feigning in our game is directly related to this too.


gortnaleck

And I thought they looked good in their League Final and was expecting a good year from Armagh

tonto1888

Quote from: Throw ball on May 20, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
Just noticed Clare number 11 in hurling getting a yellow card for a similar tackle to the one Grimley got sent off for.

One was in play one was off the ball. May have had something to do with it

seafoid

Quote from: gortnaleck on May 20, 2018, 04:57:52 PM
And I thought they looked good in their League Final and was expecting a good year from Armagh
It was D3 in fairness.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

LCohen

Quote from: Itchy on May 19, 2018, 11:32:58 PM
I said it for a long time, mcgeeney is a a spoofer. Surely his more ardent supporters can see this now.

The qualifiers could rescue him again. It's pointless to say he needs to reach the super 8 or last 12 to save his job (ahem) as we could Mayo or Tyrone early doors and is likely to be a wipe out. As an absolute minimum we need to beat someone in Division 1 or 2 or if imagine the mans own self respect will demand that he passes on the baton to someone with fresh ideas and methods.

The mental side of the game manifests itself in decision making, resilience, discipline and confidence in your own ability and game plan. We are deeply fragile in all these respects. Either Geezer is s fraud on the psychological and man management sides of things are our entire playing squad are freakishly weak.

Tactically we are a joke. We have a poor plan A and no plan B. Before today's game Harte said you need to fully prepared for what you expect and also have an ability to react to what you don't expect. We score 0/10 in both respects.

Looking at the so called tactics and set up we started the game with yesterday you begin to get an idea why most of our most talented forwards opt out.

2 points down at HT Fermanagh were late on the field for the restart. We were lined out in the throw in formation. Looking at a half forward line of McShane, Forker and Shields you begin to realise we ain't going to work the scores. The red card then sealed it but saw nothing that indicated that with 15 on the pitch that we would have done it