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This might make someone smile:

Made me smile that. Thanks Muppet.

Great.

Obviously I am not included in the last line. 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-23/making-a-murderer-subject's-confession-legal-prosecutors-say/8144628

[i might be missing a few more.]

Maughan maybe but Horan hardly started from zero when Mayo had won a Connacht senior title 2 years before he arrived were division 1 team and had Ger Cafferkey,Donal Vaughan, Tom Cunniffe, Kevin McLoughlin;Aidan O Shea,Seamus O'Shea etc that had already sampled championship football.

Ah, come on!! Zero is losing to Sligo and Longford in the one Summer. That is no slight on those counties either, but doubt if either were playing in top2 divisions at the time. And it was championship ffs. Sligo had us beaten 20 mins. out and Longford were comfortable enough too towards the end. It was a mess. Johnno practically did a Floyd Patterson and left the building like a shot. Don't think he used a fake beard though!
Horan's team knocked out AI champions next Summer. That's all anybody needs to know. It was never about players.  Johnno got a Div. one squad as well and players that reached AI finals. Why wouldn t those lads you named not have sampled championship football?  It wasn't great experience though - like compared to young Dublin and Kerry lads that debut in teams on their upper.

Johnno might not have been great but he was not blind. McLoughlin should have been in earlier as well as corner back a year earlier btw.

Anyway, it is interesting that neutrals build up our managers but give our players a kicking.

2010 was a bad summer after a decent spring where Mayo reached the league final beating Cork,Kerry,Tyrone along the way.

Under the guidance of H&C Mayo won 4 U21 Connacht titles in a row and one All Ireland between 2006 to 2009. Then the James Horan success with Mayo seniors 2011 to 2014 was built around that group of players that played on those 2006 to 2009 U21s teams.

Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Chris Barrett, Colm Boyle; Seamus O'Shea,Barry Moran,Tom Parsons,Donal Vaughan,Jason Doherty,Robert Hennelly,Kevin Keane,Lee Keegan, Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea i might be missing a few more.

Like i said Horan hardly started from zero but he got the rub of the green in his first championship game that could have been a far worse result than losing to Longford or Sligo!

What you are missing, is the point.

Galway have had greater recent U-21 success in the football and it got them nowhere. Their success underage didn't translate when they upgraded the U-21 manager either. Look at Limerick's hurling 3 in a row. It means nothing. 

Regarding senior football in 2010 Mayo were at a very low ebb. Losing consecutive championship games to Sligo and Longford is a dark place no matter how you look at it. Horan was a game-changer for us - literally. Nearly losing his first game doesn't alter that view any more than nearly winning All-Irelands makes you a champion.

[He is a WUM]

PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

Got the Rangers bit right

His profile name is that of a Loyalist terror group & the club he names inthat profile does not exist. Less a Gael, more of a troll I fear. Explains a lot

He is a WUM. If anyone thinks otherwise they need their head checked

I wouldn't overestimate him. 

Stew, a few of us mentioned months ago that the prosecutor was dismissed for sexual harassment. That wasn't on the show. How did we know this when we didn't 'live it'?

Then there was the evidence I mentioned that wasn't mentioned on the show. For example, Avery not giving his real name to Halbach when he set her up to photo his vehicles. How would I know this when all I watched was the show? How would we know that he is now pointing the blame for the murder at others in his family, which most of us would have thought was where the police should have looked - i.e. not just Avery but all of the wider adult group in his family.

But how would we know this. Any ideas?

How would we know Dassey, was freed, then not freed, then freed again?

So the answer is No Stew.

'I believe' she is a murderer not evidence.

[I could go on]

That Weiner had classified material on his laptop should have had him and his idiot wife in the big house and Clinton with them.

What should Hillary be in jail for again Stew?

So many things Muppet that have been discussed on here as nauseaum, tired Muppet, can't bring myself to name them all, will the misuse of the Clinton Foundation do how about her email scandals, her warmongering, the death of her former lover, I could go on but the steak is ready.

You can't go on.

You throw out comments as if they are facts, and never provide any back up. And then you accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being a liar.

For example, you think she should go to jail for the 'death of her former lover'. Off you go. Please provide some proof. Otherwise it will appear that you are the liar.

You are right Muppet, I think she is Lily white, pure as the driven snow, fact is she is the Teflon Don of politics.

The DOJ failed to do their job because they are bought and paid for, her hubby, the serial intern stogie f**ker, actually got on a plane with a liberal government official and bullied her into calling off the dogs, the Clintons are pond scum and nothing sticks, you know this, the proof is under your nose, you just do not have the minerals to admit that.

This is a straw man argument. IT IS NOT AN ANSWER.

Now, at the risk of being seen to be telling blatant lies, please provide some proof that she is somehow responsible for the death of her former lover.

[yet there's even more ridiculous shenanigans you'd hear about locally that would put that stuff to shame]

I've no stake in this issue, but surely, and especially given that the players were not forthcoming with, in their eyes, valid reasons for their wanting the two boys dismissed, these men are entitled to tell their side of the story?

They're the ones whose reputations were besmirched by the way it all went down. No way I'd have shown the restraint they did in waiting over a year to comment.

Maybe the "good of Mayo football" part is debatable/fanciful, but that doesn't make they're giving this interview wrong.

We had a mess of a winter in 2014/15 due to the appointment process which brought us Holmes and Connelly.
We had a mess of a winter in 2015/16 due to the heave against Holmes and Connelly.
Now we appear to be having a mess of a winter in 2016/17 as Holmes and Connelly appear to want to stick a knife into some of the squad.

I'm sure as seen from Donegal, Tyrone, Dublin, Kerry and the rest of Connacht, this interview is certainly not wrong.
But in Mayo........

We've had so much shite over the years in Donegal, I do sympathize (the snubbing of McHugh in the 90s; the snubbing of McGuinness and the interview panel laughing at him for expecting a projector for his powerpoint; Brian McIvor, a decent man from outside, being forced to reapply for his position in 2007, despite not having finished his tenure; the debacle of Declan Bonner and Charlie Mulgrew being offered the job at the same time as John Joe Doherty in 2008).

(You'll note I haven't even touched on the allegations regarding the Donegal players. There's so much stuff in the national consciousness from back then, yet there's even more ridiculous shenanigans you'd hear about locally that would put that stuff to shame)

What?

You mean, Donegal supporters might know stuff that Indiana, Syferus, Matin Breheny and others not from Donegal don't know?

Surely you jest!

[I could go on]

That Weiner had classified material on his laptop should have had him and his idiot wife in the big house and Clinton with them.

What should Hillary be in jail for again Stew?

So many things Muppet that have been discussed on here as nauseaum, tired Muppet, can't bring myself to name them all, will the misuse of the Clinton Foundation do how about her email scandals, her warmongering, the death of her former lover, I could go on but the steak is ready.

You can't go on.

You throw out comments as if they are facts, and never provide any back up. And then you accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being a liar.

For example, you think she should go to jail for the 'death of her former lover'. Off you go. Please provide some proof. Otherwise it will appear that you are the liar.

if you read the thread it has excluded any religious arguments. we're simply and openly discussing the physical implications, the outcomes, the problems and the rest...its the first time I think i've been able to have a normal conversation on the topic with someone without it resorting to handbags.. J70 is a very reasonable poster!

He is a very patient poster.

But it is clear his thinking is a million miles from yours.

But the outcome part, in terms of disease and so on can be addressed, the same way as it is in straight people, and educated and responsible gay men DO mind themselves. Facts are facts, and if the risk of disease is higher among homosexual males, I've personally got no problem with sex education addressing that. It can be done without being judgmental or condemnatory. I wouldn't see any point in tiptoeing around an issue for PC reasons or whatever. If, as you say, there is a blatant disregard for health that isn't talked about (not saying I agree with this), then maybe that's partly down to it being used as a stick to beat the gay rights movement with in the first place. But, as I said, such overcompensation helps no one.

As to your last part, I absolutely would see it as a civil rights issue. That problems might exist which need to be addressed doesn't change that.

I challenge though that we're not even addressing the problems and will continue to turn a blind eye to everything that goes on until its too late.  More and more will be accepted, society will slip further and further down the slope.....
Appreciate your comments and willingness to have a civil discussion on it all!

Gay people will never be more than a small minority.
Should you not be more concerned about divorce and the collapse of marriage ?

You'd have to wonder what brings an otherwise intelligent, reasonable poster to write such truly terrible things about a minority group.

I've no stake in this issue, but surely, and especially given that the players were not forthcoming with, in their eyes, valid reasons for their wanting the two boys dismissed, these men are entitled to tell their side of the story?

They're the ones whose reputations were besmirched by the way it all went down. No way I'd have shown the restraint they did in waiting over a year to comment.

Maybe the "good of Mayo football" part is debatable/fanciful, but that doesn't make they're giving this interview wrong.

We had a mess of a winter in 2014/15 due to the appointment process which brought us Holmes and Connelly.
We had a mess of a winter in 2015/16 due to the heave against Holmes and Connelly.
Now we appear to be having a mess of a winter in 2016/17 as Holmes and Connelly appear to want to stick a knife into some of the squad.

I'm sure as seen from Donegal, Tyrone, Dublin, Kerry and the rest of Connacht, this interview is certainly not wrong.
But in Mayo........

[to everything that goes on until its too late.]

But the outcome part, in terms of disease and so on can be addressed, the same way as it is in straight people, and educated and responsible gay men DO mind themselves. Facts are facts, and if the risk of disease is higher among homosexual males, I've personally got no problem with sex education addressing that. It can be done without being judgmental or condemnatory. I wouldn't see any point in tiptoeing around an issue for PC reasons or whatever. If, as you say, there is a blatant disregard for health that isn't talked about (not saying I agree with this), then maybe that's partly down to it being used as a stick to beat the gay rights movement with in the first place. But, as I said, such overcompensation helps no one.

As to your last part, I absolutely would see it as a civil rights issue. That problems might exist which need to be addressed doesn't change that.

I challenge though that we're not even addressing the problems and will continue to turn a blind eye to everything that goes on until its too late.  More and more will be accepted, society will slip further and further down the slope.....
Appreciate your comments and willingness to have a civil discussion on it all!

Too late for what?

A misleading thread header if ever I seen one. Jury is still out on Kevin Walsh as manager and 2017 will be his 3rd attempt to get Galway out of division 2 and to win a championship game in Croke park.

Hard to know what the hell Sice was thinking though. Walsh will hardly thank him for that crap.

[It just so happens this one fell in line with the 'suggestions' of the O'Sheas.]

Whilst in charge of Corofin, Rochford was prone to making the odd "left field" selection for some important matches and as it turned out, theses usually worked as Corofin were/are quite dominant at club level in Galway and obviously won the Club AI during his tenure.  The Hennelly selection is along the lines of something he is quite capable of doing and I do believe it was his decision but unfortunately for him it backfired on the biggest stage of all.

Every manager in the country has made left field decisions. It just so happens this one fell in line with the 'suggestions' of the O'Sheas. More than likely if Rochford is halfways aware he knew they liked Hennelly better. I think it's obvious it conttributed to what happened - if you're shakey enough about your All-Star keeper to consider changing him in an AIF replay knowing your midfielders want the other guy is likely to put you over the top.

Again you are desperately trying to twist the evidence.

We know it happened once, with Seamie, under H&C. That is all you know and you are making up the rest.

You're suggesting Rochford didn't know they liked their own clubmate more? Are you trolling or something?

No, the other two implications in your post.

You are still implying it was more than one O'Shea, please show some evidence of this.
And you are still implying that they are responsible for the change of goalkeepers in October 2016. Please show some evidence of this.

Otherwise stop passing your theories off as 'more than likely' crap.

I doubt very much the O Se's and Rochford were discussing the flight path of the seagulls around Croke Park at the AI Semi Final.

And which goalkeeper started the game after the semi-final?

That's got nothing to do with it as well you know. No management team in the country outside Mayo sits with players who aren't the captain while watching the opposition with none of the rest of the squad there.

Absolutely unique.

I asked for evidence for the O'Shea's canvassing Rochford to pick Hennelly. 

You implied that they got Rochford to pick Hennelly at the semi final, until I showed you up by showing Clarke played in the next match.   

Your giddiness to stick the boot into Mayo has turned your brain to mush.