Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[tiempo]

I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

[Il Bomber Destro]

The Forwards have chased that far back on many occasions it leaves them unable to kick scores IMO. How many times do you see Bernard Brogan, Dean Rock, Conor Mc Manus in their own 45 tackling and harassing men???

McManus spent most of the drawn game against Donegal last year playing in his half back line.

How many players do Dublin play inside these days? 2?

[Il Bomber Destro]

I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

Felt Justy struggled against Mayo and taking him off for Brennan was the correct decisions.

He definitely has something to offer us though, we really lack a commanding aerial presence at the back.

There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet.

Do you think the system is the reason we haven't made an AI final in the past two years or simply because we weren't good enough?

You have not got one clue !!!!
And how indeed do you feel he struggled ?
Justys job, as always at centre half back is to protect the full back line. Roachford knew this and put Alan Dillon there to use the space Tyrones defensive tactics would allow him. He caused bother because he was a free man. Harte took Justy off and put Brennan on. Roachford then took Dillon off. Advantage Mayo. Mickey got it wrong not Justy
The fact that Tyrone have become so obvious makes it easier for the better teams to plan against them

Whatever way you want to look at it, tactics or not, Justy looked lost in the opening 25 minutes in that game and he came off for Brennan who gave us a bit more in an attacking sense.

Tyrone are obvious, but so are all the other teams. For all the talk about Dublin and the great players they have, they had to completely abandon their all out attacking game because Donegal made bits of it in 2012. Now they play a game very similar to all the rest.

What Tyrone do at the minute is not disimilar to the other big teams.

For such an obvious side, the result could so easily have been different against Mayo and we played the final 10/15 minutes a man down.

The system that Harte introduced in 2015 has brought us back to be very competitve at the top end and an Ulster title the year before, it only needs some small tweaks and players to learn from their mistakes.

[southtyronegael]

i think 2 inside should be an absolute minimum. just watchin back the tyrone/mayo game from last yr and the amount of times aiden mc crory was in our full forward position was a disgrace. then i watched us take a short kick out to s cavanagh who passed it to mc aliskey. 2 of our full forward line. disgusting, pathetic tactics and people are blaming poor shooting?

[In hiding]

I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

Felt Justy struggled against Mayo and taking him off for Brennan was the correct decisions.

He definitely has something to offer us though, we really lack a commanding aerial presence at the back.

There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet.

Do you think the system is the reason we haven't made an AI final in the past two years or simply because we weren't good enough?

You have not got one clue !!!!
And how indeed do you feel he struggled ?
Justys job, as always at centre half back is to protect the full back line. Roachford knew this and put Alan Dillon there to use the space Tyrones defensive tactics would allow him. He caused bother because he was a free man. Harte took Justy off and put Brennan on. Roachford then took Dillon off. Advantage Mayo. Mickey got it wrong not Justy
The fact that Tyrone have become so obvious makes it easier for the better teams to plan against them

Whatever way you want to look at it, tactics or not, Justy looked lost in the opening 25 minutes in that game and he came off for Brennan who gave us a bit more in an attacking sense.

Tyrone are obvious, but so are all the other teams. For all the talk about Dublin and the great players they have, they had to completely abandon their all out attacking game because Donegal made bits of it in 2012. Now they play a game very similar to all the rest.

What Tyrone do at the minute is not disimilar to the other big teams.

For such an obvious side, the result could so easily have been different against Mayo and we played the final 10/15 minutes a man down.

The system that Harte introduced in 2015 has brought us back to be very competitve at the top end and an Ulster title the year before, it only needs some small tweaks and players to learn from their mistakes.

Please stop showing us all your stupidity.
Justy looked lost !!!
Such a statement, what do you mean ? Do you think he looked out of his depth ?
Do you think he looked lost because the job he was asked to do was obsolete because Mayo did not kick the ball away against us the way Cavan and Derry did ? (Two games you frequently reference when you talk about how good we are).
The job Rory Brennan was asked to do was totally different to the job Justy was asked to do.
If you had a brain in your head you would know that instead of continually spouting pro Tyrone management S**te on here

You rave on the Connolly Holmes thread about how mentally weak the Mayo lads are to lose big games by a point but you continually tell us how unlucky Tyrone were agaist Kerry in2015 and against Mayo in 2016. You're a walking contradiction

"There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet"
according to you.

[southtyronegael]

tyrone were an absolute disgrace against mayo. how any manager could turn a team out to play like that is beyond me. and 2 weeks later he looked for a 2 yr extension! people need to get their heads out of the sand and end this charade of management before football in this county is ruined for decades.

[In hiding]

tyrone were an absolute disgrace against mayo. how any manager could turn a team out to play like that is beyond me. and 2 weeks later he looked for a 2 yr extension! people need to get their heads out of the sand and end this charade of management before football in this county is ruined for decades.

For what its worth i think Harte has done well with this group results wise. Its the people on here who back his every decision whether its right or wrong is what annoys the fcuk outta me. Its almost like Mickey has about 5 accounts on here himself 

[southtyronegael]

it used to be called total faith, now its blind faith. and btw in hiding, u cant tell me harte has done well results wise, the only result that matters is in the big games in croke park and we have failed. and the only thing that could justify playing that shitty brand of football is all ireland titles and we are nowhere near that.

[Fuzzman]

Is this the style of football that Donegal created and Tyrone, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo and maybe after this year even the Dubs are copying to some extent.
I absolutely hate how the game has changed since McGuinness moved the goal posts but if you don't play a similar system you will be swallowed up.
Kerry would love to beat the Dubs playing open attacking football but they have learnt that no longer works against the Dublin machine and so have joined the blanket brigade.
I fear GAA football will never be the same again.

[Il Bomber Destro]

I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

Felt Justy struggled against Mayo and taking him off for Brennan was the correct decisions.

He definitely has something to offer us though, we really lack a commanding aerial presence at the back.

There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet.

Do you think the system is the reason we haven't made an AI final in the past two years or simply because we weren't good enough?

You have not got one clue !!!!
And how indeed do you feel he struggled ?
Justys job, as always at centre half back is to protect the full back line. Roachford knew this and put Alan Dillon there to use the space Tyrones defensive tactics would allow him. He caused bother because he was a free man. Harte took Justy off and put Brennan on. Roachford then took Dillon off. Advantage Mayo. Mickey got it wrong not Justy
The fact that Tyrone have become so obvious makes it easier for the better teams to plan against them

Whatever way you want to look at it, tactics or not, Justy looked lost in the opening 25 minutes in that game and he came off for Brennan who gave us a bit more in an attacking sense.

Tyrone are obvious, but so are all the other teams. For all the talk about Dublin and the great players they have, they had to completely abandon their all out attacking game because Donegal made bits of it in 2012. Now they play a game very similar to all the rest.

What Tyrone do at the minute is not disimilar to the other big teams.

For such an obvious side, the result could so easily have been different against Mayo and we played the final 10/15 minutes a man down.

The system that Harte introduced in 2015 has brought us back to be very competitve at the top end and an Ulster title the year before, it only needs some small tweaks and players to learn from their mistakes.

Please stop showing us all your stupidity.
Justy looked lost !!!
Such a statement, what do you mean ? Do you think he looked out of his depth ?
Do you think he looked lost because the job he was asked to do was obsolete because Mayo did not kick the ball away against us the way Cavan and Derry did ? (Two games you frequently reference when you talk about how good we are).
The job Rory Brennan was asked to do was totally different to the job Justy was asked to do.
If you had a brain in your head you would know that instead of continually spouting pro Tyrone management S**te on here

You rave on the Connolly Holmes thread about how mentally weak the Mayo lads are to lose big games by a point but you continually tell us how unlucky Tyrone were agaist Kerry in2015 and against Mayo in 2016. You're a walking contradiction

"There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet"
according to you.

You're doing a serious job of displaying your own stupidity here. Justy's role was made redundant by the tactical changes made by Rocheford, nobody expected Keegan to go into full back and Dillon to start. It wasn't working after 25 minutes or so Harte changed it. Fair enough. Your whole post makes no sense, we didn't lose that game because our full back line wasn't been protected - Mayo hit 13 points and didn't have a sniff at goal. Of course the job Brennan did was completely different, it was the absolute core reason Justy was taken off. Jesus Christ, I'm struggling to comprehend the level of a moron you are. The change was tactical, would you have rathered he left Justy on and kept him out there when the game was completely passing him by or are you simply slagging Harte off for not expecting Mayo to pull something out of the blue and then reacting to this surprise by making in game tactical tweaks himsef? Seems you are only interested in making cheap criticisms against management when there's little plausible basis for such.

Absolutely nothing contradictory about what I'm saying. I've said we haven't been far off an All Ireland final in the past two years, I've not mentioned a single iota about luck - that is your twist on what I've stated.

I've simply stated that the system suits the players we have and we've made good progress in two years, if we change to this system and revert to the type of football that no county actually plays now then we can forget about being competitive, slight tweaks and players improving their decision making is what is needed.

And I think you need clarify what you have a problem with re Harte withdrawing Justy.
Should he not have been withdrawn?
Should he have been left on with the game passing him by and his role redundant?
Should he not have started?

What is the point you are trying to make?

[redhandefender]

Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away

[Il Bomber Destro]

Is this the style of football that Donegal created and Tyrone, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo and maybe after this year even the Dubs are copying to some extent.
I absolutely hate how the game has changed since McGuinness moved the goal posts but if you don't play a similar system you will be swallowed up.
Kerry would love to beat the Dubs playing open attacking football but they have learnt that no longer works against the Dublin machine and so have joined the blanket brigade.
I fear GAA football will never be the same again.

Athleticism of the modern player necessitates blanket defences.

If you leave wide open spaces for these modern players to run through then it will result into a game of farce, where there's a goal on every attack. Teams just have to clog up the middle to stop things, a guy running at momentum is always going to burn a person standing static or on the backfoot.

I'd much rather watch a game like the Ulster final this year than some non-contest like their was down in Munster, where Kerry just ran straight through Tipp at every opportunity and scored a goal. I thought the replay game was farcical with Cavan this year, we could just score a goal running straight through the middle at will. If it's that or a tight defensive match, I'll take the defensive game every time.

[sambostar]

Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away

I'd agree Tyrone aren't that far away. If Tyrone had a McManus or O'Connor for hitting frees alone they'd have won an AI in the last 2 years. Surely that has to be remedied this season. Harte to take them on the right and someone else on the left, what about Matty Donnelly? He's seriously accurate from play from distance. Morgan shouldn't be let near a free ever again

[longballin]

Still over reliant on Sean as Ulster final and Mayo game showed... if they don't get Sam this year will be a while once he retires.

[Fuzzman]

tiempo that would be my one wish for 2017 but sadly I think it's never going to happen. 1 because Harte doesn't like to play that way and believes it's better to not kick the ball forward as not to lose possession and 2 because I think Sean finds it hard to be out of the game for long periods and so if he's not getting it he will push down the field looking for it.