Maddie McCann

[Main Street]

Parents/friends were probably suspects for two reasons:
1) A body has to be in a location a certain amount of time for cadaver dogs to be able to detect scent - which they did in both the apartment, Kate's clothes and McCann's rental car. These were English dogs that had a solid track record.
2) The only independent witness to a possible abduction (father of an Irish family) informed Gardai sometime after the fact that they were 80% certain the man they saw walking what they thought at time was a sleeping child towards the beach that night was Gerry McCann.
None of this is to say they were in any way responsible (find it hard to believe they could be), but police should always investigate immediate family and friends in situations like this.

Completely, agree! What screams guilt to me is Kate WASHED Maddies favourite comfort toy (cuddle cat) before the police came to collect DNA evidence. What mother of a missing child would do such a thing? Why would you want to lose your daughter's smell from it. I believe the theory of the ex-police chief in Portugal, Maddie fell from the window ledge in the living room (there was a sofa to climb on to it). Gerry took charge and covered it all up (he is a cool customer).

Complete and utter tosh.  Do you just believe any garbage you read and then put it up on a discussion board. 

Yes, The mother washed the toy, some 70 days after Maddie disappeared.  Maddie's mother had carried the cuddly toy with her constantly, day in day out for 70 days.

[Geoff Tipps]

Parents/friends were probably suspects for two reasons:
1) A body has to be in a location a certain amount of time for cadaver dogs to be able to detect scent - which they did in both the apartment, Kate's clothes and McCann's rental car. These were English dogs that had a solid track record.
2) The only independent witness to a possible abduction (father of an Irish family) informed Gardai sometime after the fact that they were 80% certain the man they saw walking what they thought at time was a sleeping child towards the beach that night was Gerry McCann.
None of this is to say they were in any way responsible (find it hard to believe they could be), but police should always investigate immediate family and friends in situations like this.

Completely, agree! What screams guilt to me is Kate WASHED Maddies favourite comfort toy (cuddle cat) before the police came to collect DNA evidence. What mother of a missing child would do such a thing? Why would you want to lose your daughter's smell from it. I believe the theory of the ex-police chief in Portugal, Maddie fell from the window ledge in the living room (there was a sofa to climb on to it). Gerry took charge and covered it all up (he is a cool customer).

Yeah that's the most likely explanation

[Keyser soze]

The most scary thing about this thread is the percentage of complete f**k*ng loony bins there are on this planet if the board and this topic in particular is any sort of representation.

Make up any oul shite, read any oul shite, hear any oul gossip and then publicly proclaim it as gospel truth even though there is zero evidence to back up that point of view.

It is no wonder there are miscarriages of justice and so many rich con artists in the world with so many fool hoors roaming about. 

[trailer]

The most scary thing about this thread is the percentage of complete f**k*ng loony bins there are on this planet if the board and this topic in particular is any sort of representation.

Make up any oul shite, read any oul shite, hear any oul gossip and then publicly proclaim it as gospel truth even though there is zero evidence to back up that point of view.

It is no wonder there are miscarriages of justice and so many rich con artists in the world with so many fool hoors roaming about.

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It is scary to think what is breathing in the same air.

[NetNitrate]

Parents/friends were probably suspects for two reasons:
1) A body has to be in a location a certain amount of time for cadaver dogs to be able to detect scent - which they did in both the apartment, Kate's clothes and McCann's rental car. These were English dogs that had a solid track record.
2) The only independent witness to a possible abduction (father of an Irish family) informed Gardai sometime after the fact that they were 80% certain the man they saw walking what they thought at time was a sleeping child towards the beach that night was Gerry McCann.
None of this is to say they were in any way responsible (find it hard to believe they could be), but police should always investigate immediate family and friends in situations like this.

Completely, agree! What screams guilt to me is Kate WASHED Maddies favourite comfort toy (cuddle cat) before the police came to collect DNA evidence. What mother of a missing child would do such a thing? Why would you want to lose your daughter's smell from it. I believe the theory of the ex-police chief in Portugal, Maddie fell from the window ledge in the living room (there was a sofa to climb on to it). Gerry took charge and covered it all up (he is a cool customer).

Complete and utter tosh.  Do you just believe any garbage you read and then put it up on a discussion board. 

Yes, The mother washed the toy, some 70 days after Maddie disappeared.  Maddie's mother had carried the cuddly toy with her constantly, day in day out for 70 days.

That is of course true, on July 12th. The English sniffer dogs were brought in on July 31st and the toy was one of the items they reacted to. By then it was washed and probably useless for any further forensic evidence. That is not on McCanns but incompetence of local police that these items were not sealed away as evidence at the beginning.

[Taylor]

Parents/friends were probably suspects for two reasons:
1) A body has to be in a location a certain amount of time for cadaver dogs to be able to detect scent - which they did in both the apartment, Kate's clothes and McCann's rental car. These were English dogs that had a solid track record.
2) The only independent witness to a possible abduction (father of an Irish family) informed Gardai sometime after the fact that they were 80% certain the man they saw walking what they thought at time was a sleeping child towards the beach that night was Gerry McCann.
None of this is to say they were in any way responsible (find it hard to believe they could be), but police should always investigate immediate family and friends in situations like this.

Completely, agree! What screams guilt to me is Kate WASHED Maddies favourite comfort toy (cuddle cat) before the police came to collect DNA evidence. What mother of a missing child would do such a thing? Why would you want to lose your daughter's smell from it. I believe the theory of the ex-police chief in Portugal, Maddie fell from the window ledge in the living room (there was a sofa to climb on to it). Gerry took charge and covered it all up (he is a cool customer).

Complete and utter tosh.  Do you just believe any garbage you read and then put it up on a discussion board. 

Yes, The mother washed the toy, some 70 days after Maddie disappeared.  Maddie's mother had carried the cuddly toy with her constantly, day in day out for 70 days.

That is of course true, on July 12th. The English sniffer dogs were brought in on July 31st and the toy was one of the items they reacted to. By then it was washed and probably useless for any further forensic evidence. That is not on McCanns but incompetence of local police that these items were not sealed away as evidence at the beginning.

In previous tests with the dogs in the US they could still pick up the scent when items had been washed 3 times though?

[GetOverTheBar]

Going to watch the first few eps of this tonight - been reading the comments here on it, don't see much mention of the Irish family, the Smiths, presumably they don't appear? Have they ever spoke in public afterwards on this ?

[take_yer_points]

Going to watch the first few eps of this tonight - been reading the comments here on it, don't see much mention of the Irish family, the Smiths, presumably they don't appear? Have they ever spoke in public afterwards on this ?

Have watched 5 episodes I think. They are mentioned a few times - the first where the father said he realised Gerry McCann was the person he saw carrying the child on the night of the abduction (which became clear to him when he say Gerry McCann carrying one of the younger kids off the plane on their return to the UK), and the next mentioned was where he had retracted his story.

Think it says there are multiple witnesses putting Gerry McCann at the Tapas bar at the same time as Martin Smith said he saw Gerry McCann carrying the child.

[NetNitrate]

Going to watch the first few eps of this tonight - been reading the comments here on it, don't see much mention of the Irish family, the Smiths, presumably they don't appear? Have they ever spoke in public afterwards on this ?

Have watched 5 episodes I think. They are mentioned a few times - the first where the father said he realised Gerry McCann was the person he saw carrying the child on the night of the abduction (which became clear to him when he say Gerry McCann carrying one of the younger kids off the plane on their return to the UK), and the next mentioned was where he had retracted his story.

A BBC Panorama episode from last year also stated they retracted their story, but later issued a correction when the family contacted them to state otherwise. They were also quoted in a Gemma O'Doherty story in Village Mag last year stating they stood behind their original claim. It's probably a prime example of all the misinformation out there on every side.
https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2018/02/maddie-did-the-bbc-bend-the-truth/

[tyrone girl]

I actually despair reading some of the comments on here! WTF.

One of the most credible theories someone is thinking a child fell of a ledge and the dad just cooly covered it up. Or they overdosed her and then cooly covered it up and all went to dinner together and had the craic for a few hours before all deciding to concoct this story and stick to it for years. GIVE ME STRENGTH!!!! 

[Tony Baloney]

Going to watch the first few eps of this tonight - been reading the comments here on it, don't see much mention of the Irish family, the Smiths, presumably they don't appear? Have they ever spoke in public afterwards on this ?

Have watched 5 episodes I think. They are mentioned a few times - the first where the father said he realised Gerry McCann was the person he saw carrying the child on the night of the abduction (which became clear to him when he say Gerry McCann carrying one of the younger kids off the plane on their return to the UK), and the next mentioned was where he had retracted his story.

Think it says there are multiple witnesses putting Gerry McCann at the Tapas bar at the same time as Martin Smith said he saw Gerry McCann carrying the child.

It's a bold statement to make and then retract.

[NetNitrate]

Going to watch the first few eps of this tonight - been reading the comments here on it, don't see much mention of the Irish family, the Smiths, presumably they don't appear? Have they ever spoke in public afterwards on this ?

Have watched 5 episodes I think. They are mentioned a few times - the first where the father said he realised Gerry McCann was the person he saw carrying the child on the night of the abduction (which became clear to him when he say Gerry McCann carrying one of the younger kids off the plane on their return to the UK), and the next mentioned was where he had retracted his story.

Think it says there are multiple witnesses putting Gerry McCann at the Tapas bar at the same time as Martin Smith said he saw Gerry McCann carrying the child.

It's a bold statement to make and then retract.

See my reply. He never retracted. Somehow it was put into media that he retracted. It does not say much for the research in the Netflix documentary that they are repeating this incorrect piece of information about Martin Smith.

[Under Lights]

The Podcast On Spotify is excellent- just type Maddie into Spotify.

[Milltown Row2]

Gerry was photographed on tv for 140 days constantly but the Irish guy only recognised him when he dandered off the plane?

[NetNitrate]

Gerry was photographed on tv for 140 days constantly but the Irish guy only recognised him when he dandered off the plane?

He had given an immediate statement describing the man he saw. The later statement he gave to Gardai explains why he then put a name to his original description. The translations of the official police files made public along with his statement here:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm