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Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 21, 2024, 11:15:17 PM
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 21, 2024, 09:58:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 21, 2024, 09:15:30 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:45:33 PMThere is, as far as I'm aware, no evidence of this gang rape/mass rape thing. Its also pretty much accepted that Israel shot up a large amount of their own people. If they gave a damn about hostages they would gave negotiated their release, instead they carpet bombed civilian areas. You need to think of Israel as Nazis to understand the evil you are dealing with here.

I have no doubt that Israel wilfully murder and starve Palestinians - it's clear from their actions.

Though hasn't the ICC also accepted that Hamas fighters used sexual violence? I'd imagine they must have seen evidence before stating such.

Maybe they have, they've certainly said Hamas has a case to answer on it. But I've not seen any evidence from reliable sources and in fact some of the initial witnesses stating this were shown to be very unreliable. I would have thought it surely would've been out there for all to see if evidence was available. A bit like the weapons and tunnels in hospitals, none of it ever surfaced.

Israel's exaggerated reports of sexual violence are unbelievable but if the ICC are also citing it in their case agains the leadership of Hamas I'm inclined to think there must have been some level of truth in the original reports of rapes occurring.

The 'human shield' thing Israel use against Hamas I find ridiculous. Israel has never cared about harming civilians so what use are they as any type of shield.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/icc-has-no-evidence-7-october-rapes-documents-indicate



Sorry but "My office continues to investigate reports of sexual violence committed on Oct 7th' does not mean that it did not occur.  Did Israel tell lies about the scale of it? I would say yes. Did rape occur? I'll wait for the ICC investigation to reach a conclusion on that.

The ICC seems to possess evidence that rape occurred in captivity, however the Electronic Intifada article is very causally dismissive of that:

"But does that mean that Khan possesses enough evidence of rapes and sexual violence against Israelis in captivity to warrant charges against Hamas leaders?

Obviously, we have not seen all the evidence that Khan claims to possess, but despite that we can fairly confidently assess that he does not."

I mean, come on, 'we can fairly confidently assess' - can you? How exactly?
#2
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 21, 2024, 09:15:30 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:45:33 PMThere is, as far as I'm aware, no evidence of this gang rape/mass rape thing. Its also pretty much accepted that Israel shot up a large amount of their own people. If they gave a damn about hostages they would gave negotiated their release, instead they carpet bombed civilian areas. You need to think of Israel as Nazis to understand the evil you are dealing with here.

I have no doubt that Israel wilfully murder and starve Palestinians - it's clear from their actions.

Though hasn't the ICC also accepted that Hamas fighters used sexual violence? I'd imagine they must have seen evidence before stating such.

Maybe they have, they've certainly said Hamas has a case to answer on it. But I've not seen any evidence from reliable sources and in fact some of the initial witnesses stating this were shown to be very unreliable. I would have thought it surely would've been out there for all to see if evidence was available. A bit like the weapons and tunnels in hospitals, none of it ever surfaced.

Israel's exaggerated reports of sexual violence are unbelievable but if the ICC are also citing it in their case agains the leadership of Hamas I'm inclined to think there must have been some level of truth in the original reports of rapes occurring.

The 'human shield' thing Israel use against Hamas I find ridiculous. Israel has never cared about harming civilians so what use are they as any type of shield.
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Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:45:33 PMThere is, as far as I'm aware, no evidence of this gang rape/mass rape thing. Its also pretty much accepted that Israel shot up a large amount of their own people. If they gave a damn about hostages they would gave negotiated their release, instead they carpet bombed civilian areas. You need to think of Israel as Nazis to understand the evil you are dealing with here.

I have no doubt that Israel wilfully murder and starve Palestinians - it's clear from their actions.

Though hasn't the ICC also accepted that Hamas fighters used sexual violence? I'd imagine they must have seen evidence before stating such.
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Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 21, 2024, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 21, 2024, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 06:30:38 PMI'm sure people are going to go ballistic (no pun intended) when I ask this question, but what exactly did Hamas hope to accomplish by the attacks on October 7th?

Was it a revenge attack for decades of oppression on the Palestinians?

Was it an attempt to start a war?

Was it an attempt to derail the normalization of relations between Israel and other Muslim Countries?

Netanyahu was like Tyson Fury on Saturday night and would likely have been removed from office. Why did they give him this lifeline ?

On a scale of 1-10 how did they think Israel would respond ? (1 being do nothing, 10 being dropping a nuke)

There are thousands of Palestinians detained by the IDF. I believe the intention was to take hostages so as to negotiate prisoner swaps.
Personally feel like this was a setup and Israel wanted an atrocity to react to so they could flatten Gaza and claim it for themselves.

You think that Israel was somehow behind Oct 7th?

I read a book written by the son of the founder of Hamas who got flipped by Israeli intelligence. I find it very hard to believe that the Israelis had no inkling this was about to happen. Hamas is riddled with informers

I also read (but can't remember where) that Hamas just happened upon the music festival. That element of the attack wasn't part of the original plan....it's just happened

I was always under the impression that thousands of heavily armed IDF would arrive within minutes of a large border incursion like what happened on 10/07. Perhaps Hamas thought that they would "invade" and then retreat back accross the border with a few dozen hostages, but when the cavalry didn't show up things just spiraled out of control

I mean....kidnapping grannies and gang raping/murdering teenage girls doesn't exactly do their cause much good

Well it's possible they let it happen maybe not knowing the scale of the attack but there is no evidence for it. As far as I'm aware anyway.
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Quote from: theskull1 on May 21, 2024, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 06:30:38 PMI'm sure people are going to go ballistic (no pun intended) when I ask this question, but what exactly did Hamas hope to accomplish by the attacks on October 7th?

Was it a revenge attack for decades of oppression on the Palestinians?

Was it an attempt to start a war?

Was it an attempt to derail the normalization of relations between Israel and other Muslim Countries?

Netanyahu was like Tyson Fury on Saturday night and would likely have been removed from office. Why did they give him this lifeline ?

On a scale of 1-10 how did they think Israel would respond ? (1 being do nothing, 10 being dropping a nuke)

There are thousands of Palestinians detained by the IDF. I believe the intention was to take hostages so as to negotiate prisoner swaps.
Personally feel like this was a setup and Israel wanted an atrocity to react to so they could flatten Gaza and claim it for themselves.

You think that Israel was somehow behind Oct 7th?
#6
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 21, 2024, 05:03:18 PMHistory is written by the victors. Plenty of evil bastards on both sides of nearly every conflict in history. America and it's allies are every bit as bad as Russia.

In any conflict, the country/coalition doing the invading are almost certainly the bad guys, whatever lies or excuses they make, be that Russia invading Ukraine or USA et al invading Iraq.
#7
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2024, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 12, 2024, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2024, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 11, 2024, 11:12:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 11, 2024, 01:30:35 PMDominating this game.
The ' eejit Kenny on co-commentary who repeatedly claimed Lundstrom's red was not a red.
What a nutcase!

Just watching the highlights there.

WTF is Miller on about??

You'd swear there were ten leg-breaking tackles like that every day the way he's going on.

Absolute bellend! ;D

In fairness, rangers manager was unequivocal about it saying it was red and a bad tackle. Bizarre stuff from Miller.
What I understand from his later justifications it's even more bizarre. Kenny claimed that it would not have been a red card tackle in his day, therefore it wasn't a red card tackle.

I think he's just doubling down on his initial decision. Doesn't want to back down. A clown.

Although Sutton is a clown also. Can't stand him.

Yesterday's game, like this year's league, was very hard work by Celtic.  Poor stuff. Should have beaten them out the gate by 4 or 5 goals.  Typical 2-0 up then conceding straight away. Just typical of this season.

Point still stands. Board need to invest big time now. Players like Scales, Harte and Taylor etc. are clearly not at the right standard. Celtic need serious investment.  That should start right now instead of their usual messing about in August.

This will bring in more money via Champions League and good chance Matt O'Riley will go for £10m+.

 

I don't mind Sutton, he is bit of a WUM but it's good enough craic.

Miller made a total eejit of himself, even Munster Munch was trying to reason with him but to no avail.

Good win, really looking forward to the cup final now.



#9
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 07, 2024, 02:47:32 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 02:08:48 PMWork is an offensive 4 letter word to that sh1te!
They'd rather be abusing people and consorting with Tommy ten names and UDA sectarian murderers.

The only open border is the one on the map between the 6 and 26 and nobody but Jim Allister and Bryson types want that closed.

No, most people in the south want that closed to illegal immigrants! According to your beloved legacy media this morning, that is. Now, away back to the anti-fa boards.

Would ye away on with this 'legacy media' nonsense. Everyone quotes them when they print a story that confirms their particular point of view.
#10
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 07, 2024, 12:00:07 PM
It's quite sad watching this small demented section of Irish society dragging the tricolour through the dirt with their march of hate. Truly shameful.
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Radio Gaga
A Kind of Magic
#12
General discussion / Re: The far right
May 06, 2024, 09:16:35 PM
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 06, 2024, 09:04:39 PMThoughts on the very large protest versus the very small counter protest in Dublin today? The Shinners didn't seem to be popular with the majority of protesters.

The Irish are the biggest hypocrites on the planet with regard to immigration. The Irish government were lobbying the Biden administration recently regarding undocumented Irish in the US. Currently estimated at about 50K in number. (probably all unvetted military age males as well, shock horror)
#13
General discussion / Re: The far right
April 29, 2024, 08:00:14 PM
#14
Another 3 points in the bag. Great to see James Forrest firing on all cylinders again.
#15
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2024, 06:42:09 PMThe Man biting a young kid's ear at the World Snooker Championship. Very disturbing.

Yeah, disturbing. Perhaps even worse if it's a close relative.