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Title: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: kinghen on January 02, 2008, 05:45:04 PM
dont know much about him in terms of managerial prowess, but just wondering if he will be able to bring any success to a club who have not won a championship for 10yrs now!! can mayobridge be stopped in down??
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: WolfeTone on January 02, 2008, 05:53:43 PM
In a word...no!
Don't mean to be blunt, but thats how it is!  Know a cupla loup 1s who workd with him last year and they weren't overly impressed with him.  It was a bit harsh from the loup giving him the sack after just a year to be fair.  A lot of people say he set up the b'derry team that won all-ireland in '02 (he was the manager previous to brian mciver) though.
Personally, from what ive seen of him on the side-line and been talkin to his former players, i wouldn't rate him...
But we'll find out round august/september time! Some travelling from moneymore to burren..compared to moneymore to loup last year (ie 10mins!)
As for mayobridge..either down football is a horrible standard and no1 can compete, or else they fall to pieces come the ulster club campaign!  if ever a team has under-achieved in ulster its mayobridge!  Need to be lookin towards an ulster very soon cos they wont get too many chances with the current crop!

Phheewww...bit longer than i expected!  :-[
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 02, 2008, 06:30:23 PM
Damian Barton going to Burren is unbelievable - imagine the "expenses" needed to go there !  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: 5 Sams on January 02, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
Talking to a few Loupers (Isnt that the collective name for people from the Loup??) during the Ulster League a year or two ago and they weren't impressed with him.

BTW I'm sure Newry Building Supplies will be well able to take the sting out of Barton's "expenses" bill. ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 02, 2008, 08:33:52 PM
How big are Newry Building Supplies ??  ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 02, 2008, 08:56:46 PM
Barton.  A complete mercenary.  The type of merry go round manager we need to get rid of.  And Burren should know better.  Clubs are to blame for keeping up this charade of paying managers huge wages.  They need to wise up.  I just f**king hate this type of Irish League managerial carousel.  I'm so mad to hear this news.  I feel a piece of the GAA gets lost every time a so called big name manager moves into another club.  Our values are diminishing.  ANd how many lotto tickets will it take to pay this fly by night here today gone tomorrow jumped up p***k?  Has he managed his own club? No. He even fell out with them. Just give me one piece of success he's had with a club? No.  Nothing.  But lots of tax free dosh. f**k!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Pangurban on January 02, 2008, 09:13:13 PM
If a great club have reached the stage where they have to try too buy success,then they dont deserve it. I hope they fail miserably, and learn an expensive lesson
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: townof12 on January 02, 2008, 09:31:45 PM
This sounds like a personal loathing of barton than anything else; why?  Whats the problem with him?  Re Burren, are they any different to the vast majority of div1 (and some div2) teams in down to get an outside manager? visit the tyrone and derry threads and you will find they are similar.  should be an interesting one.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 02, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
Quote from: townof12 on January 02, 2008, 09:31:45 PM
This sounds like a personal loathing of barton than anything else; why?  Whats the problem with him?  Re Burren, are they any different to the vast majority of div1 (and some div2) teams in down to get an outside manager? visit the tyrone and derry threads and you will find they are similar.  should be an interesting one.

More a loathing of his ilk townof12. Them and the people prepared to finance these deals. What galls me as that many of these mercenaries are held up as respected Gaels. WTF??
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 02, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
Nothing personal against Barton, though he never ever managed a team in his own school.  Never. Compare him with the likes of Jimmy Smith, Danny Quinn, Tony Scullion and even Neil Smith who takes underage, manages his own senior team and could take thousands to manage club teams anywhere in Ulster, but always politely declines because he couldn't take money for managing.  I swear, this business is going to close us down.  it exposes the GAA as hypocrites.  The club at the grassroots me arse.  I hope Burrne lose every match this year and that goes for every other club who is trying to buy success with a cheating quick fix. It doesn't work like that.  For evidence, just check out Cross Rangers.  They don't pay managers.  Full stop.  No questions asked. Their policy on soccer is also simple.  If you play on Saturday, you are not eligible for selection on Sunday.  Just a simple rule.  They tested them about 20 years ago and set up a rival GAA club in the town called St. Johns who were an amalgam of soccer wasters , wee fat men and malcontents.  Cross held their ground and eventually the other club vanished.  Four All Irelands later...
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 02, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Kinghen this should be in the local down thread, you are not outside the law around here!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Real Talk on January 02, 2008, 11:12:39 PM
It's not Barton or any other Manager's fault getting 'big bucks' for Club jobs.  It is solely the blame of the Clubs for either directly or indirectly paying it.  On the other hand do you really expect a Manager to to give up at least 2 nites and a Sunday plus a host of other associated jobs for free!!!!!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 02, 2008, 11:19:50 PM
No i don't, but like the drug trade and other illegal activities, if there was no customer, there would be no supplier and vise versa.  they're all to blame - the mercenaries and the clubs who are prepared to cheat to win.  ANd also, like any other illegal activity, there is no regulation, so these bastards make a packet of cash, tax free.

f**kers
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 02, 2008, 11:40:20 PM
The clubs MUST take reponsibility - they obviously sought out a manager and Barton answered the "call" - so it takes two to tango - I also don't like these mercenary type managers but there are a lot of them around - clubs are to blamne as well as the manager - there is an argument that if the clubs weren't shelling out the money, then there'd be no problem - but they are and some managers will only be too glad to relieve them of good few thousand !
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Pangurban on January 02, 2008, 11:42:44 PM
Will any member of the Burren Club stand up at the A.G.M. and ask how much Barton is being paid, and where money is coming from, as it sure as hell will not be listed as expense in audited accounts.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 12:05:32 AM
There's no point talking about Barton or Burren when there are plenty of clubs doing it, it's an issue for the GAA to look at. 
It's quite unfair to single out one club and one man. 

If other clubs in Down are doing the same why shouldn't Burren? 
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 12:08:06 AM
Are most people not arguing about the basic principle pog? Are you saying that because the precedent has been set elsewhere then it's fair enough what they are doing? WTF!!!!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 12:12:32 AM
I see a club and man named throughout this thread. 


There are other clubs in Down paying managers I presume so why shouldn't Burren spend some cash to put their senior team on a equal footing?


QuoteAre you saying that because the precedent has been set elsewhere then it's fair enough what they are doing? WTF!!!!
No I'm not saying it's ok, I disagree with the paying of managers but it is a issue for the GAA but I wouldn't criticise a club for paying a manager when other clubs in the county are.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 03, 2008, 12:20:04 AM
I'm not talking about one individual either, Pints.  I'm talking about the practice. But it takes individuals to keep the practice going. there are many others, eg; Mickey Heaney in Kilcoo (dunno if he's still there) But at least he takes the DUndalk regional team for nothing.  he puts something back.  Barton has never ever taken a team in his own school where he teaches.  never.  Has never done an hours coaching with his club Newbridge, but is poncing round the managerial circuit like Jim McCorry and others of their ilk.  I'm sorry, but I can't stand this business. it bugs the hell out of me. 
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 12:12:32 AM
I see a club and man named throughout this thread. 


There are other clubs in Down paying managers I presume so why shouldn't Burren spend some cash to put their senior team on a equal footing?

Individual examples will always be used in bigger arguments about the rights and wrongs of these things. Barton/Burren is the headline here , but Rafferty/Slaughneil, Moran/Creggan, Cassidy/??? are also big name managers/club that everybody knows are involved in dodgy dealings. Even though I see your point, I think you're being a bit pedantic about the thread title.

Burren with the help of the County Board and Croke Park, should be protesting like all the other clubs of the activities of all the clubs who engage in such practices rather than joining in on this illegal practice should they not?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 12:34:34 AM
There will always be people like Barton seany..

Quote
Burren with the help of the County Board and Croke Park, should be protesting like all the other clubs of the activities of all the clubs who engage in such practices rather than joining in on this illegal practice should they not?
Aye, in an ideal world but you have to be realistic. 
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 12:45:20 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 12:34:34 AM
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Burren with the help of the County Board and Croke Park, should be protesting like all the other clubs of the activities of all the clubs who engage in such practices rather than joining in on this illegal practice should they not?
Aye, in an ideal world but you have to be realistic. 

IMO...it's time for more people to start protesting about this practice. If we did that then maybe we'd get somewhere instead of staying silent and watching it happen in front of us

We all know the quote " All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent. "

We are all far too silent. Surely we have to make a stand against this, because this very practice has fueled the affluenza that is gripping the GAA in these times.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 03, 2008, 01:00:50 AM
People say something has to be done, but in reality, what can be done by the GAA to stop this practice? If a club is paying a boy cash, privately with nothing going thru the books, who or what can stop it? it's easy to criticise the GAA for not putting a stop to it, but it's up to clubs themselves to examine their consciences on this and just refuse to pay.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 01:04:37 AM
How would people feel about a rule that you can't manage outside your own club or county at adult level?
Maybe transfers could be allowed in certain circumstances as they are with players?


It probably wouldn't address some instances of managers being paid but surely it would put an end to a lot of it.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 01:04:37 AM
How would people feel about a rule that you can't manage outside your own club or county at adult level?
Maybe transfers could be allowed in certain circumstances as they are with players?


It probably wouldn't address some instances of managers being paid but surely it would put an end to a lot of it.

Was exactly what I was thinking of pog ("yeah right" I hear you say  :)). And if you transfer clubs you'd have to be a member of that club for more than 5 years before you could manage the senior teams within it?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 03, 2008, 01:31:03 AM
Two very good ideas, lads.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 03, 2008, 08:29:02 AM
..while also on the subject i see Cathal Murray is away to St Pauls in Belfast, he has gone through quite a few clubs this last while too, maybe its just down to bad luck and circumstance.

Burren are sure to be chasing the highest profile figures every year for managerial posts basically because they have the 'abramovich' clout behind them (we are talkin ridiculous money here) and can clearly afford to cough up no matter what the price may be and also not forgetting or underestimating the Tommy Joe factor - the GAAs very own Bob Sugar (see Jerry Maguire). Think they had asked Mickey Moran too but he turned them down.

it is definitely sad to hear of these guys coming into our counties from outside even moreso in my opinion because of the suffocation it causes for younger up-and-coming coaches who dont get opportunities as easy. it does smack of trying to buy success and undoubtedly while rife throughout the GAA and not just Burren it is disgusting to see and some sort of measures should be implemented by the GAA, but then again that would just be logical and we in the GAA dont really do logical.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: blueboy on January 03, 2008, 10:25:16 AM
When did Damien Barton take over and who was there before him?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 11:10:16 AM
I mentioned this on the Tyone thread a while back so maybe we could elaborate on it here -

Who has managed the most clubs ?

In Tyrone I think there was one individual who had managed 6 clubs -

Any advance on 6 ??????
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 03, 2008, 11:14:48 AM
how much would I have to pay a club to take Paddy Crozier ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 02:05:31 PM
Paddy Crozier is priceless ! For everything else there's Mastercard !  ;) ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 03, 2008, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 02:05:31 PM
Paddy Crozier is priceless ! For everything else there's Mastercard !  ;) ;) ;) ;D
think you are mixing up your vocab due to large intake of alcohol over Christmas
you are confusing clueless with priceless
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 02:32:43 PM
Clueless - sure didn't you beat Armagh, Mayo and nearly Dublin ???????
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: CSC on January 03, 2008, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 03, 2008, 12:12:32 AM
I see a club and man named throughout this thread. 


There are other clubs in Down paying managers I presume so why shouldn't Burren spend some cash to put their senior team on a equal footing?

Individual examples will always be used in bigger arguments about the rights and wrongs of these things. Barton/Burren is the headline here , but Rafferty/Slaughneil, Moran/Creggan, Cassidy/??? are also big name managers/club that everybody knows are involved in dodgy dealings. Even though I see your point, I think you're being a bit pedantic about the thread title.

Burren with the help of the County Board and Croke Park, should be protesting like all the other clubs of the activities of all the clubs who engage in such practices rather than joining in on this illegal practice should they not?
Ref Creggan / Moran. He with Creggan not because of dodgy dealings but rather the wife's connection with the club. So you can take us off the dodgy dealing list.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 03:08:25 PM
CSC...you will notice here how quick many of our posters are prepared to blacken a mans name based soley on bar stool talk. Says a considerable amount them. The GAA has investigated it and found no evidence. Sure the skull should join the committee of his local club and then blow them wide open when they have a high profile coach in taking them for alot of sessions and giving him a few dollars more.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Rav67 on January 03, 2008, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 03:08:25 PM
CSC...you will notice here how quick many of our posters are prepared to blacken a mans name based soley on bar stool talk. Says a considerable amount them. The GAA has investigated it and found no evidence. Sure the skull should join the committee of his local club and then blow them wide open when they have a high profile coach in taking them for alot of sessions and giving him a few dollars more.

Just about to say something similar.  Mickey Moran certainly doesn't take big money, he agreed to take Ballerin for a few sessions a few years ago and as far as I know refused to take any money for them.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 04:53:09 PM
Let's face it - a lot of managers love the game and really aren't motivated by money - however it has to be said that there are a few managers ou there who will move club every year if they have to, in order to get their "expenses" - even if it means travelling distances of 2 hours each way.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Real Talk on January 03, 2008, 05:47:58 PM
Folks it's 2008 and paying managers is an irreversible trend.  There are fewer Managers than Clubs and the Supply and Demand theory applies.  Most Clubs these days are Chaired by Business men or close associates of people with money.  I am aware that Clubs find it very difficult to get 'insiders' to manage their senior team because of the amount of time and expertise required to do the job and at the same time command a high level of respect man-managing people from your own parish.  D Cassidy is one person who has been extremely successful in this regard because he has working very hard (leave the money out of it) at developing a high level of competence.  It has been also brought to my attention that he also works very hard in a voluntary capacity coaching at under-age level for his club.  As in all aspects of life some people are worth more than others.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 06:14:48 PM
Damian Cassidy was being paid by Bellaghy last year to manage the senior team AND help woth underage coaching as well - I think you'll find it was a complete package -
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 06:14:48 PM
Damian Cassidy was being paid by Bellaghy last year to manage the senior team AND help woth underage coaching as well - I think you'll find it was a complete package -

I think your talking shite again orangeman. He was not at bellaghy in 2006 nor is he there this year, but guess what, he is organising  the youth set up. From u8 to u14 we are back on track again...and he is the one who got us working again. Another bar stool geuis spreading crap. Best advise is if you know nothing say nothing.

your becoming as bad as the skull and thats bad.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 06:27:04 PM
Was he with Bellaghy in 2007 then ??
And was he being paid ?

Don't be so touchy about the subject - It's no big deal. ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 06:29:25 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on January 03, 2008, 02:24:05 PM
Skull your hypocrisy is priceless....how much over the years has Dunloy  paid coaches to come in a give them a lift at various points. Now everyone wait for his blind ignorance.

Would you just like to point out my hypocrisy ttb? Then would you also like to point out what your position on this practice is? And do you like the idea that pog came up with?

Yes Dunloy has used (Non GAA) qualified physical coaches to come in and prepare teams as no one was available within the club with the right knowledge to do it properly. Just like we pay for our physios and and other facilitators to the team. These people had to qualify to do what they do and it could not be done by anybody at this stage without the proper courses being made available. In time I would hope these people are not needed, but for now yes we do use them. A manager is very different or should I say should be seen differently to all these facilitators. He should be a representative of the club administration and volunteer his services to this task just like the players do.

Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
Orangman...I think I'm more pissed at skull than you. i have just replied to one of his posts and you got it in the head also. I'm counting from 1 to 100 ;) :D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: theskull1 on January 03, 2008, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
Orangman...I think I'm more pissed at skull than you. i have just replied to one of his posts and you got it in the head also. I'm counting from 1 to 100 ;) :D

Still not answering questions Max

Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 06:42:49 PM
Don't worry about it Max - as I said no big deal !  ;D ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 06:46:27 PM
Skull what questions...I don't think managers should be 'paid' just like i don'tthink players should be paid, same as university grants, same as players grants, same as refs, same as county administrators, but you know what its happening. I personally don't think I can change it. I know our club has never paid a manager above normal GAA expenses. I can't comment on what individual business men do because I don't know and I refuse to get involved at the level your at of naming people when you and i have not got a clue
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 04, 2008, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 06:46:27 PM
Skull what questions...I don't think managers should be 'paid' just like i don'tthink players should be paid, same as university grants, same as players grants, same as refs, same as county administrators, but you know what its happening. I personally don't think I can change it. I know our club has never paid a manager above normal GAA expenses. I can't comment on what individual business men do because I don't know and I refuse to get involved at the level your at of naming people when you and i have not got a clue
not having a go at you max - but you are the latest person to bring up the subject of grants for students - because they are GAA players.

IMO this has come up recently because gpa backers are clutching at straws to find comparisons and precedents within current GAA structures to justify getting money paid to players for an amateur sport and for something they would be happy to do without money.

Players play football. If they get injured, emigrate, lose focus due to job/girlfriend/wife or simply decide the commitment is not worth it - then there will always be another player to take their place. Folklore around the country always tells us that 'such and such' would have been a county star if it wasnt for the drink/women/job/injury/farm etc etc.

Now the subject of kids looking to get an education - why deny them the chance of getting their course and costs part funded. These kids are NOT in a position to gain full time employment. Why do people whinge about giving our own a leg up in the early part of their lives, to get qualifications, to get a better and hopefully easier job (easier than the building site or farms - GAA's traditional place of employment) and therefore have more time and energy to invest in playing football or hurling for their county once the decent job is secured.
In comparison to a normal player who has the option of actually working full time - to me there is no comparison, so why do people try to lump in this red herring of 'students get GAA grants' - its NOT the same ballpark. So will folks please shut the fcuk up comparing apples and hindu temples.

Also - reffing is a role that requires payment. Its hard enough to get refs as it is, let alone good refs. Its outside normal working hours and again these people dont PLAY the game, the beneficiaries are the PLAYERS. If anyone can say that its the same thing playing or reffing/coaching/managing/GAA admin then I give up.
Players get the benefit of playing - the others partake in some way but do not benefit -  I'd pay to be able to play again.

Managers, same as refs, but its getting out of hand. If clubs can source mentors from within then thats ideal. However its often that the typical Irish mentality of jealousy and mistrust gets in the way and a good man is usually not accepted in his home parish. Prophets are not listened to in their home town scenario.
IMO the GAA must create some kind of pay scale that managers must adhere to. Obv the directive is to declare earnings to tax authorities,but in practice this wont happen (the managers would be mad). Once a pay scale is there, clubs should hopefully be able to agree less extortionate rates with these guys, as right now, the managers are creating an auction scenario - driving prices up (as far as €100k - though longford folk still refuse to believe this).
Regulate managers fees. It may help a bit.
But shut up about grants for students - are we that begrudging ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: behind the wire on January 04, 2008, 10:23:04 AM
lynchbhoy i dont think theres much point in explaining that over and over again. the difference between university grants/paid administrators and the current 'pay for play' have been explained to max on numerous occasions yet he still says they are all the same. either he is unable to see the difference or he just doesnt want to ie its better for the gpa if he refers to them as being all the same. i think the latter is probably more likely.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 04, 2008, 12:31:06 PM
lads i understand perfectly well what the difference is...what it means is that I do not buy into it. When the gaa was a complete volunteering organisation none of these groups recieved money. As each part of the association evolved or declined, it depends on how you see it, arguemnts were brought forward to justify why it should be accepted. The latest episode is just another page in the chapter
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 04, 2008, 12:46:36 PM
Where does the book end - what happens in the last chapter ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: WolfeTone on January 04, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
orangeman..quit stirring the pot! its a Metaphor man, Metaphor!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 04, 2008, 01:06:32 PM
Only slagging !  ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D :o :o :o
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 04, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 04, 2008, 12:31:06 PM
lads i understand perfectly well what the difference is...what it means is that I do not buy into it. When the gaa was a complete volunteering organisation none of these groups recieved money. As each part of the association evolved or declined, it depends on how you see it, arguemnts were brought forward to justify why it should be accepted. The latest episode is just another page in the chapter

its time you took out that much loved (and over posted) self-portrait of yourself and posted it here as a reply to myself and behind the wire.

so when change is required it has to be wholesale and not addressing the parts that are important ?
::)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
Who has the longest travel distance in terms of time / miles ? Barton to Burren or Raffterty to Slaughtneil ? Is there any other manager travelling further ?

Was Moran / Morrison's travels to Mayo the longest ?

Or was Paidi's to Westmeath ? Micko's to Laois ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: SuperHans on January 05, 2008, 07:09:19 PM
Barton really annoys me, he writes in his IN column about negative tactics and blanket defence etc then he sends his loup team out in this years championship against dungiven to play the most foul ridden, cynical, dirty and unattacking game of football i have ever witnessed. he turned the fine attacking half back that is joe okane into a hatchetman.he inevitably got sent off even tho it should have been earlier. and the loup were paying him a five figure sum. this nonsense makes me sick

he failed at ballinderry, donaghmore and with the loup. canny mind how he did with da Poly but hes the worst kind of mercenary polluting our game
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 07, 2008, 09:45:56 AM
Hans - that's a ringing endorsement if ever I heard one !!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: bcarrier on January 17, 2008, 04:44:21 PM
5 sams knows the score.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 18, 2008, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: SuperHans on January 05, 2008, 07:09:19 PM
Barton really annoys me, he writes in his IN column about negative tactics and blanket defence etc then he sends his loup team out in this years championship against dungiven to play the most foul ridden, cynical, dirty and unattacking game of football i have ever witnessed. he turned the fine attacking half back that is joe okane into a hatchetman.he inevitably got sent off even tho it should have been earlier. and the loup were paying him a five figure sum. this nonsense makes me sick

he failed at ballinderry, donaghmore and with the loup. canny mind how he did with da Poly but hes the worst kind of mercenary polluting our game

I certainly think he failed at Ballinderry, but Loup are in decline and wouldn't have won a derry championship in a fit and Donaghmore wouldn't have won anything, so it ain't that bad. Just because a high profile figure does not mean you have a magic wand
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 18, 2008, 10:01:51 AM
Do Burren have a chance this year ? Are Mayobridge past their best ? Maybe Barton will break his duck and win in the County Down ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: gaagaa on January 18, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2008, 10:01:51 AM
Maybe Barton will break his duck and win in the County Down ?

maybe he'll make a balls of it and puit a split in the club?
deja vu anyone :D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 18, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: gaagaa on January 18, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2008, 10:01:51 AM
Maybe Barton will break his duck and win in the County Down ?

maybe he'll make a balls of it and puit a split in the club?
deja vu anyone :D


??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 18, 2008, 12:48:01 PM
???????  ??? ??? ??? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: T O Hare on January 22, 2008, 03:45:15 PM
great news to see barton as a failure.. i hope his great from contibues with our illustrious neighbours :D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 23, 2008, 12:41:54 AM
Barton could well bring back the glory days and there'd be a lot of people saying I told you so ..........
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: kinghen on January 23, 2008, 12:25:52 PM
sorry men, i've been away and not able to check up on this little debate, glad to see so many ppl with strong views on this subject, (not the localised subject but the debate as a country-wide predicament)
im glad to see that the "background staff" "selectors" whatever you want to call them will be burren men, and think this will give some of the inexperienced burrn men (managerial wise) to learn a bit of the trade and hopefully it will produce a successful manager who is burren and bred (see what i done there? pun-tastic)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
Two things.

#1. Does Barton know he wasn't first choice? ;)

#2. What has he ever achieved as a manager to be considered for this post? A shocking waste of money IMHO.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 26, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
Two things.

#1. Does Barton know he wasn't first choice? ;)

#2. What has he ever achieved as a manager to be considered for this post? A shocking waste of money IMHO.

I am sure the same could be said for you
Title: Half right, Max
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 28, 2008, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 26, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
#1. Does Barton know he wasn't first choice? ;)

I am sure the same could be said for you

It could indeed. I, like Damien Mary John Barton, was not first choice for this job.

Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 26, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
#2. What has he ever achieved as a manager to be considered for this post? A shocking waste of money IMHO.

I am sure the same could be said for you

It could indeed. I would agree that had the same amount of money been offered to myself by Burren, it would have been a shocking waste of money. In addition, the question "What has he ever achieved as a manager to be considered for this post?" could equally well have been asked of me and the response would be similar to that for Master Barton; most likely this reply would be along the lines of "Fcuk all!".

At this point the similarities end.

Number of teams managed: Barton - at least 3, prior to Burren; me - none.
Percentage of teams likely to ask manager to return: Barton -  0%; me - division by 0 is impossible.
Amount of money allegedly paid to manager - Barton - more than £0; me - £0.

Reading your posts you would appear to have an irrational need to defend members of the 93 squad. You quite happily ridicule Slaughneil and their appointment of John Laverty (and rightly so by the way), but your position re. Cassidy and now Barton is totally at odds with this stance.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Seany on January 28, 2008, 11:12:29 PM
Barton represents the exact opposite of the GAA ideal which is all about giving.

He is a taker.

He played for Derry, but quit after his AI medal
When he quit for Derry, he then quit club football.
He is a teacher, but never once took a tema in his school. 
He has since fallen out with his club Newbridge (part of the reason was to do with the fact that they expected him to pay for his place at a club gala night.  He felt he should have got free because of his status!)
Now he's in paid manager merry go round.

A complete taker.  He has never given as much as one iota to the GAA.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 29, 2008, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 28, 2008, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 26, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
#1. Does Barton know he wasn't first choice? ;)

I am sure the same could be said for you

It could indeed. I, like Damien Mary John Barton, was not first choice for this job.

Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 26, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
#2. What has he ever achieved as a manager to be considered for this post? A shocking waste of money IMHO.

I am sure the same could be said for you

It could indeed. I would agree that had the same amount of money been offered to myself by Burren, it would have been a shocking waste of money. In addition, the question "What has he ever achieved as a manager to be considered for this post?" could equally well have been asked of me and the response would be similar to that for Master Barton; most likely this reply would be along the lines of "Fcuk all!".

At this point the similarities end.

Number of teams managed: Barton - at least 3, prior to Burren; me - none.
Percentage of teams likely to ask manager to return: Barton -  0%; me - division by 0 is impossible.
Amount of money allegedly paid to manager - Barton - more than £0; me - £0.

Reading your posts you would appear to have an irrational need to defend members of the 93 squad. You quite happily ridicule Slaughneil and their appointment of John Laverty (and rightly so by the way), but your position re. Cassidy and now Barton is totally at odds with this stance.

SS2 my position on the paying off managers doesn't really matter...but for the record I would prefer that we don't as an association do it, but as this is a discussion board I enjoy discussing various veiw points, whether I believe in them or not does not matter, I feel it allows me the opportunity to have rationale debates on various positions which helps me arm myself with good knowledge when the row breaks over various gaa matters in the company that I keep...I do like to wind people up.
On the Barton thing, the one thing that he has never done is to have taken a team backwards. The Ballinderry lads woulsd tell you he did a very good job at developing them and would partly credit him in their AII Ireland success. Mr Mc Ivor was ultimately  the manager who delivered. Donaghmore did nothing before he came and nothing since....Loup...well ...they are finished...nowt to do with Barton. If Burren has something in them and they are on the up Barton will progress them

Quote from: Seany on January 28, 2008, 11:12:29 PM
Barton represents the exact opposite of the GAA ideal which is all about giving.

He is a taker.

He played for Derry, but quit after his AI medal
When he quit for Derry, he then quit club football.
He is a teacher, but never once took a tema in his school. 
He has since fallen out with his club Newbridge (part of the reason was to do with the fact that they expected him to pay for his place at a club gala night.  He felt he should have got free because of his status!)
Now he's in paid manager merry go round.

A complete taker.  He has never given as much as one iota to the GAA.

Seany you represent to me, if your opinion is genuinely what you say it is on the board...everything i don't like about GAA people...a begrudger...expect everything but when somebody does something that is their way...well fcuk him or them.

Barton played for Derry since he was 15 years old until he was 35...now thats what I call a taker..he trained for Derry and Newbridge for 20 years and represented both with distinction. He was the reason Newbridge won their c'ship title in 89, their first since the very early 70's and their only one too since that time. He played for the bridge until he was 38/39 and kept them in division 1. When he retired they were relegated the next year and have not returned to that level since. But...hey...you just dismissed 20 years of service...just like that...a real begruder if ever I read one.

You have not got a clue why he fell out with the bridge and your description of why really does smell of a begrudger. The reason is complicated, and is not for discussion on a board like this, but needless to say the begruder must ignore the premise that there are always two sides to every complicated story. Also he does not live in newbridge, his boys play for moneymore...and he certainly owes his club nothing, he carried them on his back for years and years.

Again with the begruder attitude you stated very candidly that he has never taken a school team in his life...well pardon me for excusing him for not do an extra job in his profession in his free time. Instead of assuning that all gaa people who teach should atomatically caoch school teams per say, why don't you give great praise and respect to those who can give of there free time. One of the corner stones of the gaa success staory were the teachers who did this job for years, but as with life and demands this is a volunteering choice that is going to continue to dissolve as the demands on teachers increase without the reflection in their pay...but hey...he's a taker. You see Barton is a car driving instructor and for him to choose to coach a school team means loosing income to the family home...and sure even the begrudger can excuse him of that very basic role of being the provider in the home at the expense of school coaching.

seany....what a tool
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Uladh on January 29, 2008, 10:47:51 AM

Good post Max
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: balladmaker on January 29, 2008, 12:32:03 PM
QuoteHe has never given as much as one iota to the GAA.

If he's won an All Ireland medal, then he has given a hell of a lot to the GAA. 
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on January 29, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
No doubt Barton was a great servant to Derry GAA - training and managing club teams is a labour of love for most people.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on February 01, 2008, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 29, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
No doubt Barton was a great servant to Derry GAA - training and managing club teams is a labour of love for most people.
or labour for money ;D
sorry max i cant see this man taking burren anywhere
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:21:41 PM
I honestly don't think that these top coaches like Barton are in it for the money - football has been part of their lives for such a long time and I don't think that money really comes into it.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on February 01, 2008, 10:26:25 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:21:41 PM
I honestly don't think that these top coaches like Barton are in it for the money

cant agree on either of your points:-
1 he is certainly not a top coach - hes been about but that doesnt make him a good one;
2 not in it for the money?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:30:47 PM
He's been a great servant to Derry and has been with a lot of the big clubs - and I certainly don't think Burren would have settled for anything bar a top coach -

Are you trying to say he's in it for the money ? Money wouldn't pay you for what these great men do !
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on February 01, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:30:47 PM
He's been a great servant to Derry and has been with a lot of the big clubs - and I certainly don't think Burren would have settled for anything bar a top coach -

Are you trying to say he's in it for the money ? Money wouldn't pay you for what these great men do !

i think either you haven' ::)t a clue or (more likely) have just given away your identity
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:39:25 PM
Lads  - seriously - I know there might be one or two mercenaries out there, but would you REALLY drive form Moneymore to Burren 3/4 times a week just for the expenses ? Surely it's the draw of a big team and the chance of success ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on February 01, 2008, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:39:25 PM
would you REALLY drive form Moneymore to Burren 3/4 times a week just for the expenses ? Surely it's the draw of a big team and the chance of success ?

orangeman im wetting myself here - this sort of humour is meant for the big stage ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:45:54 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:46:52 PM
I was wondering how long it would take you to catch on !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on February 02, 2008, 01:06:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 01, 2008, 10:46:52 PM
I was wondering how long it would take you to catch on !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

you wanna watch - gerry donnelly will be stealing your material ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 02, 2008, 03:32:39 PM
It seems that mccusker isnt with Barton but Stephen Poacher (a teacher in St Columbans Kilkeel, won u16 all ireland last year) is in the max.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 03, 2008, 11:54:00 AM
Gerry Donnelly wouldn't be as good !!!  :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: gaagaa on February 04, 2008, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 29, 2008, 09:21:28 AM
On the Barton thing, the one thing that he has never done is to have taken a team backwards.

;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Maximus Marillius on February 04, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: gaagaa on February 04, 2008, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 29, 2008, 09:21:28 AM
On the Barton thing, the one thing that he has never done is to have taken a team backwards.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Elabourate please......last season Loup played poorly in the c'ship against Dungiven...Johnny Mc Bride, Fintan Devlin and another WHF(his name I cant remember) were all missing....a massive gap...they dont have any players to replace them expalining why mentally they were gone before the game even started. Loup finished in the top four to copperfasten their position in this years c'ship draw.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 04, 2008, 11:14:52 AM
Donaghmore are now in the top 4 in Tyrone having beaten Errrigal Ciaran this year. They got to the top 4 last year - so they have been improved as a team / club after Barton's contributions.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: goldenyears on February 06, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
barton, poucher (trainer) and gerard murdock (selector)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: saffron sam2 on February 07, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on February 06, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
barton, poucher (trainer) and gerard murdock (selector)

Will there be enough room in the changing rooms for those two egos? (Barton and Pooch)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: gaagaa on February 08, 2008, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on February 07, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on February 06, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
barton, poucher (trainer) and gerard murdock (selector)
Will there be enough room in the changing rooms for those two egos? (Barton and Pooch)

hopefully not - i see barton is popular  ::) with most of the other derry posters
wonder why ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 09, 2008, 04:45:34 PM
Barton would be very popular - and would not have an ego - a very down to earth man - some of the Derry posters here simply have an anti - Barton agenda which is hardly fair considering all that he has achieved in Derry football down the years.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on February 12, 2008, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 09, 2008, 04:45:34 PM
some of the Derry posters here simply have an anti - Barton agenda

nah  ;D ;D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on February 12, 2008, 10:46:17 PM
Barton would be very popular - and would not have an ego - a very down to earth man - some of the Derry posters here simply have an anti - Barton agenda which is hardly fair considering all that he has achieved in Derry football down the years.

Any comment Glenullin ?  ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: buglebhoy on February 13, 2008, 12:38:42 PM
i've heard all good reports about barton so far from a number of burren players although it is early days!!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: r3 on February 17, 2008, 05:48:20 PM
Its hilarious to read all these anti-barton rantings. While i admit, the distance to travel to manage seems excessive, i'd like to make a few in defence of.

Im sure many of these haters havn't played too much football themselves over the years let alone representing their county for 20 years and carrying a poor club team for as long as he did.

It is clear that Barton has improved every team he's been with. Ballinderry were a major force with him but folded on the big day two years in succession against a top Bellaghy. They were always good enough to win an all-ireland (as were the bellaghy team that beat them!). He does deserve major credit for developing that team. a year later McIver walked in and they went all the way. These things happen.     He also took Jordanstown to a sigerson final i think ???Donaghmore too have faired well from his influence. As for the Loup, i don't think he was really there long enough to do anything. Having met Barton on a number of occasions I believe he's totally passionate about GAA.

In the local scene, there are too many folk with too many chips on their shoulders/personal grievances with Barton. probably because in his day he was a genuinly skilled
player. He took a lot of abuse physically on the pitch, (people out to 'do him'). What makes people dislike him is that he usually ended up totally outplaying them , and/or putting them on their arse! (Glenullin etc! lol  ::))

anyways, wish him good luck.  All the money in the world wouldnt persuade me to be a GAA manager (way to much hasstle!) Newbridge/derry fan
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: T O Hare on April 24, 2008, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: kinghen on January 02, 2008, 05:45:04 PM
dont know much about him in terms of managerial prowess, but just wondering if he will be able to bring any success to a club who have not won a championship for 10yrs now!! can mayobridge be stopped in down??

Simple answer No :D ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: IVEDECIDED on April 24, 2008, 12:56:08 PM
Of course they can sure they have numpties playing for them such as the young Tom O'Hare - I hope hes no relation.  ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on April 24, 2008, 05:28:27 PM
Have Burren played any league games yet ?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Down Gael on April 25, 2008, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 24, 2008, 05:28:27 PM
Have Burren played any league games yet ?

Mayobridge 1 11 Burren 0 06
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on April 25, 2008, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on April 25, 2008, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 24, 2008, 05:28:27 PM
Have Burren played any league games yet ?

Mayobridge 1 11 Burren 0 06


Answer - probably not then !
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: IVEDECIDED on April 25, 2008, 03:38:50 PM
How many senior championships have Burren?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: amallon on April 25, 2008, 05:06:50 PM
13 I think
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: T O Hare on April 25, 2008, 05:14:56 PM
as you will be glad to hear aidan they have 11 ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: IVEDECIDED on April 26, 2008, 04:48:09 PM
Who has the most in Down?
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Niall Quinn on April 26, 2008, 05:38:34 PM
Team Winner Winning Years
1 Burren         11   1966, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1997.
1 Bryansford    11   1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977,2003.
3 Castlewellan  10   1924, 1934, 1936, 1950, 1958, 1965, 1979, 1982, 1994, 1995.
4 Kilcoo           9    1917, 1921, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1933, 1937.
4 Clonduff        9    1930, 1944, 1945, 1947, 1949, 1952, 1957, 1980, 2000
4 Mayobridge   9    1916, 1919, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
7 Downpatrick  6    1935, 1972, 1978, 1990, 1991, 1993
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on April 27, 2008, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on April 26, 2008, 05:38:34 PM
Team Winner Winning Years
1 Burren         11   1966, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1997.
1 Bryansford    11   1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977,2003.
3 Castlewellan  10   1924, 1934, 1936, 1950, 1958, 1965, 1979, 1982, 1994, 1995.
4 Kilcoo           9    1917, 1921, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1933, 1937.
4 Clonduff        9    1930, 1944, 1945, 1947, 1949, 1952, 1957, 1980, 2000
4 Mayobridge   9    1916, 1919, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
7 Downpatrick  6    1935, 1972, 1978, 1990, 1991, 1993



Is that all of them ??


Whatever happened Downpatrick ? 3 in the nineties and then relegatation ??
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: glenullinabu on April 27, 2008, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: r3 on February 17, 2008, 05:48:20 PM
In the local scene, there are too many folk with too many chips on their shoulders/personal grievances with Barton. probably because in his day he was a genuinly skilled
player. He took a lot of abuse physically on the pitch, (people out to 'do him'). What makes people dislike him is that he usually ended up totally outplaying them , and/or putting them on their arse! (Glenullin etc! lol  ::))

just noticed this posting - thought it would have died a death by this stage ::)
anyway, hitting a pensioner from behind and boxing with another is hardly dignified
nobody doubted his skill but it was well recognised that he had a lesss savoury side
this is the last comment i have on the matter
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: Niall Quinn on April 27, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 27, 2008, 11:54:37 AM
Is that all of them ??

The full list is on Wikipedia under Down Senior Football Championship.

Quote from: orangeman on April 27, 2008, 11:54:37 AM
Whatever happened Downpatrick ? 3 in the nineties and then relegatation ??

That pretty much sums it up yes.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: goldenyears on April 28, 2008, 10:59:18 AM
did barton and benny have words at this match the other night? i am hearing that barton told whoever was marking benny to give him a touch, and benny told him to fukc up slabbering - not sure if it went beyind words...? or an incident just blown up with rumour???
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: amallon on May 06, 2008, 11:13:31 AM
I never saw anything going on between Benny and Barton. 

The Bridge might have 10 championships, they are supposed to have won one in 1918 I think that was never awarded to the for some reason.  Its going to be hard to prove at this stage.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: orangeman on May 06, 2008, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 28, 2008, 10:59:18 AM
did barton and benny have words at this match the other night? i am hearing that barton told whoever was marking benny to give him a touch, and benny told him to fukc up slabbering - not sure if it went beyind words...? or an incident just blown up with rumour???


I'm sure Benny is well used to getting a touch at this stage of his very illustrious career ! I'm sure he meets agression most weeks and deals with it.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: amallon on September 22, 2010, 06:15:36 PM
Just when I notice this thread, the disputed championship is 1917.  On the base of the old Frank O'Hare Mayobridge were down for 1917 but Kilcoo have it claimed in the official records.
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: lfdown2 on November 08, 2010, 05:25:54 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 06, 2008, 11:13:31 AM
I never saw anything going on between Benny and Barton. 

The Bridge might have 10 championships, they are supposed to have won one in 1918 I think that was never awarded to the for some reason.  Its going to be hard to prove at this stage.

would be like ye's to claim a false title!!  ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: amallon on November 08, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
Kilcoo are happy enough to claim one of ours!
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: lfdown2 on November 08, 2010, 11:26:08 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 08, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
Kilcoo are happy enough to claim one of ours!

And ye are happy enough to cliam "oldest club in Down"  ;)
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: T O Hare on November 09, 2010, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 08, 2010, 11:26:08 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 08, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
Kilcoo are happy enough to claim one of ours!

And ye are happy enough to cliam "oldest club in Down"  ;)

Records intact in the computer in Croke park  :) :) You's slept in that day :D :D
Title: Re: damien barton new burren manager? will he bring the success of old??
Post by: bcarrier on October 16, 2011, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 25, 2008, 05:14:56 PM
as you will be glad to hear aidan they have 11 ;)

Aidan knew  ;)