Money, Dublin and the GAA

[Lar Naparka]

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin

Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 



The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin

Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 



The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite

[Tubberman]

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin

Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

Nobody who talks of splitting Dublin to give other counties a better chance of winning Leinster is serious, unless they also talk of splitting Mayo and Galway to help Leitrim win Connacht.

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

If money is a red herring, then take it out of the equation and pool all sponsorship money

Which means 25 counties won't bother getting sponsorship. 1/32nd of Dublin and Corks deal is worth more than most county deals, why do the legwork for 1/32nd of what you get?

Make it a condition that they have to contribute to benefit.
it's hardly insurmountable.

[Milltown Row2]

The funding needs to be fair, that's all, if a senior county teams gets x amount of money at the start of the year then it's capped, after they have spent their budget it's gone. If a county is not spending as much then they can use it towards their centre of excellence or as thru see fit.

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.

As for funding towards county development that has to be on how many clubs and schools.

Splitting Dublin for me is literally resetting the GAA championship, it becomes a different competition

[Baile Brigín 2]

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.

If Antrim cannot organise kit and coaching splitting Dublin won't help them.

[Milltown Row2]

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.

If Antrim cannot organise kit and coaching splitting Dublin won't help them.

I don't want Dublin split, if you can show me where I said that I'd appreciate that please.

My point stands, all counties should get the same budget for their senior teams, I couldn't arsed getting into everything the county teams budget for, I thought most people over the age of 5 would have known what I was talking about...

[Baile Brigín 2]

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.

If Antrim cannot organise kit and coaching splitting Dublin won't help them.

I don't want Dublin split, if you can show me where I said that I'd appreciate that please.

My point stands, all counties should get the same budget for their senior teams, I couldn't arsed getting into everything the county teams budget for, I thought most people over the age of 5 would have known what I was talking about...

I was talking in the general. But there is still the freeloader problem. And the point remains Dublins loot goes into games development in a county that has a far better embedded soccer culture, swathes of rugby and every other sport on the planet on offer. When Dublin funding started football was second and hurling fifth in participation terms.Setting up a club in Dublin costs more than setting one up in Roscommon.

But I have no conceptual problem with each county side getting x centrally for team preparation.

[Lar Naparka]

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin

Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 



The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite

TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

[Milltown Row2]

And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin

Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 



The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite

TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

So to be clear, if Mayo just had more money they would take it to the next level? Sam hasn't been won bevause of resources?

Agree re the super 8's and hurling has failed in removing most counties from the championship

[Baile Brigín 2]

And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

[Milltown Row2]

And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

It's done in that the initial boost that was required has increased and improved the development of those clubs in areas were the poor relation to rugby and soccer, the pittance we have to develop in Belfast falls way short of what's needed.

The only money I'm talking about is funding towards the senior squads.

[From the Bunker]

And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

[Lar Naparka]

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin

Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 



The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite

TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

So to be clear, if Mayo just had more money they would take it to the next level? Sam hasn't been won bevause of resources?

Agree re the super 8's and hurling has failed in removing most counties from the championship

I can't follow you here. To me, talk about splitting Mayo to give Leitrim a better chance of beating some as yet unknown region is skirting the issue. Neither Mayo nor Leitrim threaten the future of the GAA as we know it.
Handicapping of some sort deserves some consideration but I don't think handicapping is what Hound is talking about. If splitting Mayo in, say, two, is equitable in that it gives Leitrim a better chance of winning games, then what happens in the next higher tier?
If you follow that line of reasoning, what should happen to Dublin in order to give half Mayo some chance of winning anything? I don't think splitting Dublin into its four constituent counties would be enough.
What about Kerry or any other counties with pretensions to greatness?
You can't just split Mayo or Galway and leave it at that.
Anyway, the future of football in Leitrim is much more assured than it is in Dublin.
I don't understand your issue with Mayo's resources either. Funding is not where Mayo falls down when comparing them to Dublin. Lack of depth on the bench is, IMO, where Mayo consistently lost out in recent years. A logistical nightmare comes next.
Mayo spent roughly €1m in travel and accommodation costs in 2019. Having to trek half the panel to and from Dublin up to three times a week was another disadvantage also.

[rodney trotter]

And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

Dublin don't have to worry about expense or mileage. They are all based in Dublin. Add in GAA funding and funding by AIG and its practically a professional environment. A lot of clubs in Dublin have full time coaching officers.

Performance centre was created via AIG https://www.the42.ie/dublin-gaa-aig-sponsors-deal-4000083-May2018/