Money, Dublin and the GAA

[From the Bunker]

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.

Great idea!

[kerryforsam19]

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.

Great idea!

+1

[twohands!!!]

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.

Great idea!

+1

I'd be very surprised if AIG haven't already lost customers already.

[tonto1888]

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

1 away game since 2006? And do you have proof to back up everything else you have said

[Never beat the deeler]

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

1 away game since 2006? And do you have proof to back up everything else you have said

Dublin have played 4 away games in the LSFC in the last 10 years.

[tonto1888]

So more than one.

[Rossfan]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

[tonto1888]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

[priceyreilly]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

[seafoid]

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

the biggest advantage Dublin have because of the money is the ability to leverage the huge population to find and bring up to standard as many young players as possible to feed into the machine 

I was looking at a  video of Antrim hurling . The cross bar challenge. 17 and 18 year olds
Only 2 of them managed it. Everyone had a different way of connecting with the ball and follow through. So the challenge was like a random walk process.

https://youtu.be/a0--UZR3Euk

Professional coaching  à la Dublin would have had those players coached thoroughly in the core skills from maybe age 10 so that by 14 they would be able to hit the crossbar 1 in 4 times for example. Same as a very good tennis coach. Every shot has a process that must be followed. How you stand, how far back the swing goes, how high the ball is thrown, where the hurl connects and the follow through. If you are properly coached and practice enough you can eventually hit the bar every single time

Here's an example from another sport

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobotAndAIWorld/status/1146496180655927297

Antrim hurlers pick from maybe 6 clubs. Imagine if everyone in the 6 counties got professional  coaching in the basics a la Dublin. Forget about religion. The under 17 team  would not just be picked from 6 Antrim clubs. It would have the best technical players from everywhere in NI , which has a similar population to Dublin btw

This hypothetical team would hammer the shite out of the team in the video .

This is the GAA's huge problem. What does it want Gaelic football to be? The undisputed heavyweight sport in Dublin or competitive across the country?

If Dublin is given the professional  coaching  treatment the county system no longer works.
Under haphazard coaching it doesn't matter how big Dublin is. Only the naturally talented will come through with a lower skill level .

Under professional  coaching where everyone is coached thoroughly in the skills it really does matter how big Dublin is . The technically superior will emerge with consistently higher skill levels . The pool of eligible players will be much bigger. Kildare and Meath are still on haphazard coaching . The Leinster Championship collapses as a spectacle. Even if Kildare and Meath were on professional coaching they have much smaller populations than Dublin. So they can't win.

There is no way to have a competitive Leinster championship under the county system by professionalising coaching .
That is the GAA's huge issue and Horan does not understand it

[tonto1888]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda

[priceyreilly]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda

I didn't say it is very simple, I said you are very simple and that post proves it. They are not away games, they've only had 1 away game since 2006. This is a fact.
Of course, the reason they never played away from Croke Park for a decade was financial related but also because Longford nearly beat them in 2006. There were millions being pumped into Dublin GAA, making them competitive was imperative, they wanted a return on the investment.

[Rossfan]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

Amazing how O'Moore park wasn't suitable for their game v Laois but was grand for their game v Carlow.

[6th sam]

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda

There is a established agreed evidence that home venue in team sport is an advantage for several reasons: familiarity, home crowd, refereeing sub-conscious bias . With the exception of Tyrone last year , it seems that no other team has enjoyed home advantage against Dublin since 2006. That's farcical, don't try to defend the indefensible. Dublin have always had advantages , but it's really only the last few years that these have been accentuated, initially by central GAA, and then a success breeds success phenomenon has fed the monster. It appears that Dublin's capacity to bring in gate money, has overridden fair play . Now that the gate receipt income has dipped the GAA at the behest of the top counties have invented the farcical super8, with ingrained unfairness and dead rubber fiasco.
It's Time for the GAA to call a halt to this nonsense before it's too late , but unfortunately I don't see it happening.

[Rossfan]

What "top Counties" asked the GAA to bring in the so called Super 8s?