Ogra Sinn Fein and their Commemoration at Narrow Water

[DownFanatic]

A SOUTH Down MLA has voiced outrage that members of Sinn Fein's youth wing plan to visit the scene of the Narrow Water massacre this weekend.


The site outside Warrenpoint is where 18 British soldiers lost their lives in an IRA attack in August 1979.


It remains the biggest ever loss of life suffered by the British Army in Northern Ireland in a single attack and one of the most bloody episodes in the history of the Troubles.


Ogra Shinn Fein is staging a Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle this weekend (9 to 11 January) and the agenda includes a demilitarisation protest at Ballykinler Army base and a "historical tour, tracing local republican history, including Narrow Water."


But the plan to visit Narrow Water has angered local DUP Assembly member Jim Wells.

"Most people living in South Down will be appalled that the youth wing of Sinn Fein have included as part of their conference programme an outing to celebrate and gloat over one of the most dreadful events in Northern Ireland's history," he said.


"This gruesome interest in mass slaughter indicates just how little Sinn Fein has moved on.


"They should be ashamed of this heinous crime, but instead they are encouraging their young members to regard the site of the carnage as an opportunity for a day out to celebrate multiple murder."


Sinn Fein MLA Caitriona Ruane is one of the guest speakers at the youth weekend and Mr Wells called on her to "ensure the outing is cancelled immediately."


The DUP man said he was also concerned about a "threat to vandalise" Newcastle Orange Hall.


It follows an anonymous comment on the Ogra Shinn Fein website about the Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle, which states: "Great work, I heard there will be a change of colour outside the orange hall this year too!"


Newcastle Ogra Shinn Fein is hosting this weekend's event and spokesperson Fra Cochrane accused Mr Wells of seeking to generate "cheap headlines."


"Whilst it is encouraging that Jim Wells has the time to examine Ógra Shinn Féin blog-spots on the Internet, his latest attempt to generate controversy over genuine political discourse is designed to do nothing more than generate cheap headlines," he said.


"The weekend being organised by Ogra Shinn Féin will include debates on a diverse range of issues, involving prominent guest speakers who are taking the time to engage with young people on political and social topics.


"There will also be a number of historical tours, including a trip to Narrow Water Castle, that will allow for an explanation of some of the defining moments of the past conflict.


"Mr Wells needs to realise that Republicans fought a justifiable war against the British war machine here in Ireland, just as the Palestine people are currently doing in Gaza.


"The British Paratroop Regiment are notorious killers who, amongst a litany of other crimes in the six counties, murdered 13 innocent people in Derry on Bloody Sunday.


"The soldiers killed at Narrow Water were combatants in a bloody conflict where all sides suffered."


And the Ogra Shinn Fein spokesperson dismissed claims that the youth weekend posed a threat to Newcastle Orange Hall.


He said: "Mr Wells knows full well that it is impossible to control comments posted on an Internet site.


"He only has to examine the sectarian bile that is emailed to Loyalist band websites to understand this, yet of course he always remains silent on this issue.


"The reason why Sinn Féin has a very active youth wing is because the party puts an emphasis on political discourse and if Mr Wells would like to participate in this weekend's event he is welcome to do so.


"This is probably unlikely however, as he is still unable to speak or be photographed with Sinn Féin elected representatives, such is his inability to treat Republicans as equals."

 

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A SOUTH Down MLA has voiced outrage that members of Sinn Fein's youth wing plan to visit the scene of the Narrow Water massacre this weekend.


The site outside Warrenpoint is where 18 British soldiers lost their lives in an IRA attack in August 1979.


It remains the biggest ever loss of life suffered by the British Army in Northern Ireland in a single attack and one of the most bloody episodes in the history of the Troubles.


Ogra Shinn Fein is staging a Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle this weekend (9 to 11 January) and the agenda includes a demilitarisation protest at Ballykinler Army base and a "historical tour, tracing local republican history, including Narrow Water."


But the plan to visit Narrow Water has angered local DUP Assembly member Jim Wells.

"Most people living in South Down will be appalled that the youth wing of Sinn Fein have included as part of their conference programme an outing to celebrate and gloat over one of the most dreadful events in Northern Ireland's history," he said.


"This gruesome interest in mass slaughter indicates just how little Sinn Fein has moved on.

"They should be ashamed of this heinous crime, but instead they are encouraging their young members to regard the site of the carnage as an opportunity for a day out to celebrate multiple murder."


Sinn Fein MLA Caitriona Ruane is one of the guest speakers at the youth weekend and Mr Wells called on her to "ensure the outing is cancelled immediately."


The DUP man said he was also concerned about a "threat to vandalise" Newcastle Orange Hall.


It follows an anonymous comment on the Ogra Shinn Fein website about the Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle, which states: "Great work, I heard there will be a change of colour outside the orange hall this year too!"


Newcastle Ogra Shinn Fein is hosting this weekend's event and spokesperson Fra Cochrane accused Mr Wells of seeking to generate "cheap headlines."


"Whilst it is encouraging that Jim Wells has the time to examine Ógra Shinn Féin blog-spots on the Internet, his latest attempt to generate controversy over genuine political discourse is designed to do nothing more than generate cheap headlines," he said.


"The weekend being organised by Ogra Shinn Féin will include debates on a diverse range of issues, involving prominent guest speakers who are taking the time to engage with young people on political and social topics.


"There will also be a number of historical tours, including a trip to Narrow Water Castle, that will allow for an explanation of some of the defining moments of the past conflict.


"Mr Wells needs to realise that Republicans fought a justifiable war against the British war machine here in Ireland, just as the Palestine people are currently doing in Gaza.


"The British Paratroop Regiment are notorious killers who, amongst a litany of other crimes in the six counties, murdered 13 innocent people in Derry on Bloody Sunday.


"The soldiers killed at Narrow Water were combatants in a bloody conflict where all sides suffered."


And the Ogra Shinn Fein spokesperson dismissed claims that the youth weekend posed a threat to Newcastle Orange Hall.


He said: "Mr Wells knows full well that it is impossible to control comments posted on an Internet site.


"He only has to examine the sectarian bile that is emailed to Loyalist band websites to understand this, yet of course he always remains silent on this issue.


"The reason why Sinn Féin has a very active youth wing is because the party puts an emphasis on political discourse and if Mr Wells would like to participate in this weekend's event he is welcome to do so.


"This is probably unlikely however, as he is still unable to speak or be photographed with Sinn Féin elected representatives, such is his inability to treat Republicans as equals."

 

Now whether you agree with what the Shinners are doing here or not ....you would have to wonder and ask yourself is this one of the same guys who would be commemorating mass slaughter in France during WW1 etc every year on 11th November.

[DownFanatic]

Ogra Sinn Fein have become quite prominent in Newcastle in recent months. There are about four of them. They are all in the 15-18 age bracket.
You would have to wonder who is prompting their recent resurgence in the area. There is a story nearly every week in the local papers about them.
They came to prominence a while back when their members were accused of vandalising the local Orange Hall. Then they were also accused of painting some of the post boxes in the town green.

[pintsofguinness]

Ogra Shinn Fein is staging a Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle this weekend (9 to 11 January) and the agenda includes a demilitarisation protest at Ballykinler Army base and a "historical tour, tracing local republican history, including Narrow Water."

I dont understand what the problem is?

[armaghniac]

Now whether you agree with what the Shinners are doing here or not ....you would have to wonder and ask yourself is this one of the same guys who would be commemorating mass slaughter in France during WW1 etc every year on 11th November.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Then they were also accused of painting some of the post boxes in the town green.

This painting of postboxes is nonsense. SF would be better to get a policy of ensuring that sending a letter to other parts of Ireland did not cost more than sending one to Britain.

[Minder]

I have to say this idea of painting post boxes green is one of the most ridiculous things i have seen, there are a few on the Falls Road. People with nothing better to do.

[stiffler]

Now whether you agree with what the Shinners are doing here or not ....you would have to wonder and ask yourself is this one of the same guys who would be commemorating mass slaughter in France during WW1 etc every year on 11th November.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Then they were also accused of painting some of the post boxes in the town green.

This painting of postboxes is nonsense. SF would be better to get a policy of ensuring that sending a letter to other parts of Ireland did not cost more than sending one to Britain.

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[Tony Baloney]

I have to say this idea of painting post boxes green is one of the most ridiculous things i have seen, there are a few on the Falls Road. People with nothing better to do.

From what you hear and read of Ogra Sinn Fein it seems to be almost made up of total numbskulls. Welcome to the future of republicanism!

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

I have to say this idea of painting post boxes green is one of the most ridiculous things i have seen, there are a few on the Falls Road. People with nothing better to do.

I agree, almost as bad as painting them red, people with nothing better to do. Titanium's the way to go!

[Donagh]

A SOUTH Down MLA has voiced outrage that members of Sinn Fein's youth wing plan to visit the scene of the Narrow Water massacre this weekend.


The site outside Warrenpoint is where 18 British soldiers lost their lives in an IRA attack in August 1979.


It remains the biggest ever loss of life suffered by the British Army in Northern Ireland in a single attack and one of the most bloody episodes in the history of the Troubles.


Ogra Shinn Fein is staging a Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle this weekend (9 to 11 January) and the agenda includes a demilitarisation protest at Ballykinler Army base and a "historical tour, tracing local republican history, including Narrow Water."


But the plan to visit Narrow Water has angered local DUP Assembly member Jim Wells.

"Most people living in South Down will be appalled that the youth wing of Sinn Fein have included as part of their conference programme an outing to celebrate and gloat over one of the most dreadful events in Northern Ireland's history," he said.


"This gruesome interest in mass slaughter indicates just how little Sinn Fein has moved on.


"They should be ashamed of this heinous crime, but instead they are encouraging their young members to regard the site of the carnage as an opportunity for a day out to celebrate multiple murder."


Sinn Fein MLA Caitriona Ruane is one of the guest speakers at the youth weekend and Mr Wells called on her to "ensure the outing is cancelled immediately."


The DUP man said he was also concerned about a "threat to vandalise" Newcastle Orange Hall.


It follows an anonymous comment on the Ogra Shinn Fein website about the Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle, which states: "Great work, I heard there will be a change of colour outside the orange hall this year too!"


Newcastle Ogra Shinn Fein is hosting this weekend's event and spokesperson Fra Cochrane accused Mr Wells of seeking to generate "cheap headlines."


"Whilst it is encouraging that Jim Wells has the time to examine Ógra Shinn Féin blog-spots on the Internet, his latest attempt to generate controversy over genuine political discourse is designed to do nothing more than generate cheap headlines," he said.


"The weekend being organised by Ogra Shinn Féin will include debates on a diverse range of issues, involving prominent guest speakers who are taking the time to engage with young people on political and social topics.


"There will also be a number of historical tours, including a trip to Narrow Water Castle, that will allow for an explanation of some of the defining moments of the past conflict.


"Mr Wells needs to realise that Republicans fought a justifiable war against the British war machine here in Ireland, just as the Palestine people are currently doing in Gaza.


"The British Paratroop Regiment are notorious killers who, amongst a litany of other crimes in the six counties, murdered 13 innocent people in Derry on Bloody Sunday.


"The soldiers killed at Narrow Water were combatants in a bloody conflict where all sides suffered."


And the Ogra Shinn Fein spokesperson dismissed claims that the youth weekend posed a threat to Newcastle Orange Hall.


He said: "Mr Wells knows full well that it is impossible to control comments posted on an Internet site.


"He only has to examine the sectarian bile that is emailed to Loyalist band websites to understand this, yet of course he always remains silent on this issue.


"The reason why Sinn Féin has a very active youth wing is because the party puts an emphasis on political discourse and if Mr Wells would like to participate in this weekend's event he is welcome to do so.


"This is probably unlikely however, as he is still unable to speak or be photographed with Sinn Féin elected representatives, such is his inability to treat Republicans as equals."

 

Am I missing something - where does it mention "commemoration"? What are they 'commemorating'? Are the spelling mistakes deliberate ('Ogra Shinn Féin') or has Paul Berry taken to journalism?

[orangeman]

Plus ca change ...

[Canalman]

Donagh, the spelling is correct bar the fada on the O.  Ógra Shinn Féin is correct . Did you not learn the tuisil ghineadach( I have probably misspelt it) at school ?.

[Donagh]

Donagh, the spelling is correct bar the fada on the O.  Ógra Shinn Féin is correct . Did you not learn the tuisil ghineadach( I have probably misspelt it) at school ?.

Mea culpa, I hever got my head around aspiration. My teacher used to explain it with the phrase "you can when you can and can when you can't".    Still they're missing the Ó which as I remember is a different letter from O.

[Leo]

I have to say this idea of painting post boxes green is one of the most ridiculous things i have seen, there are a few on the Falls Road. People with nothing better to do.

From what you hear and read of Ogra Sinn Fein it seems to be almost made up of total numbskulls. Welcome to the future of republicanism!

For Ogra Sinn Fein read "Hitler Youth".
While their numbers in Newcastle & Warrenpoint are laughably small their tactics are scarily intinidatory. Clearly there is a concerted manipulative attempt to pint these towns greener than your average town. The disrespectful and inacuurate display of the tricolour from scrappy lamposts and coat-trailing exercises such as this proposed gathering are designed to protray the youth SF movement as something dynamic because SDLP still garners most support from the natiolaists in  these areas as opposed to the fascists of SF.
The recent "boxing match" fund-raisier for SF in Castlewellan is a futher example of their attempts to colonise the GAA into their brand of so-called republicanisn when in fact their policies are the opposite of true republicani ideals. This is all classic propaganda and brain-washing in the true nazi tradition.
The decent nationalists of Newcastlw & Warrenpoint need to speak out against this - and make sure our houses are locked and guarded at night.

[Myles Na G.]

A SOUTH Down MLA has voiced outrage that members of Sinn Fein's youth wing plan to visit the scene of the Narrow Water massacre this weekend.


The site outside Warrenpoint is where 18 British soldiers lost their lives in an IRA attack in August 1979.


It remains the biggest ever loss of life suffered by the British Army in Northern Ireland in a single attack and one of the most bloody episodes in the history of the Troubles.


Ogra Shinn Fein is staging a Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle this weekend (9 to 11 January) and the agenda includes a demilitarisation protest at Ballykinler Army base and a "historical tour, tracing local republican history, including Narrow Water."


But the plan to visit Narrow Water has angered local DUP Assembly member Jim Wells.

"Most people living in South Down will be appalled that the youth wing of Sinn Fein have included as part of their conference programme an outing to celebrate and gloat over one of the most dreadful events in Northern Ireland's history," he said.


"This gruesome interest in mass slaughter indicates just how little Sinn Fein has moved on.

"They should be ashamed of this heinous crime, but instead they are encouraging their young members to regard the site of the carnage as an opportunity for a day out to celebrate multiple murder."


Sinn Fein MLA Caitriona Ruane is one of the guest speakers at the youth weekend and Mr Wells called on her to "ensure the outing is cancelled immediately."


The DUP man said he was also concerned about a "threat to vandalise" Newcastle Orange Hall.


It follows an anonymous comment on the Ogra Shinn Fein website about the Republican Youth Weekend in Newcastle, which states: "Great work, I heard there will be a change of colour outside the orange hall this year too!"


Newcastle Ogra Shinn Fein is hosting this weekend's event and spokesperson Fra Cochrane accused Mr Wells of seeking to generate "cheap headlines."


"Whilst it is encouraging that Jim Wells has the time to examine Ógra Shinn Féin blog-spots on the Internet, his latest attempt to generate controversy over genuine political discourse is designed to do nothing more than generate cheap headlines," he said.


"The weekend being organised by Ogra Shinn Féin will include debates on a diverse range of issues, involving prominent guest speakers who are taking the time to engage with young people on political and social topics.


"There will also be a number of historical tours, including a trip to Narrow Water Castle, that will allow for an explanation of some of the defining moments of the past conflict.


"Mr Wells needs to realise that Republicans fought a justifiable war against the British war machine here in Ireland, just as the Palestine people are currently doing in Gaza.


"The British Paratroop Regiment are notorious killers who, amongst a litany of other crimes in the six counties, murdered 13 innocent people in Derry on Bloody Sunday.


"The soldiers killed at Narrow Water were combatants in a bloody conflict where all sides suffered."


And the Ogra Shinn Fein spokesperson dismissed claims that the youth weekend posed a threat to Newcastle Orange Hall.


He said: "Mr Wells knows full well that it is impossible to control comments posted on an Internet site.


"He only has to examine the sectarian bile that is emailed to Loyalist band websites to understand this, yet of course he always remains silent on this issue.


"The reason why Sinn Féin has a very active youth wing is because the party puts an emphasis on political discourse and if Mr Wells would like to participate in this weekend's event he is welcome to do so.


"This is probably unlikely however, as he is still unable to speak or be photographed with Sinn Féin elected representatives, such is his inability to treat Republicans as equals."

 

Now whether you agree with what the Shinners are doing here or not ....you would have to wonder and ask yourself is this one of the same guys who would be commemorating mass slaughter in France during WW1 etc every year on 11th November.

If you can't see the difference between commemorating the dead (your own dead, in particular) and celebrating the death of one's enemies, then you can't see very much at all. One is about paying respect to those who fell in battle, the other is about gloating.