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Title: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Portbush on August 31, 2016, 09:29:35 PM
Are the underage teams that are  amalgamated really working out for the senior teams that there youth players are involved in.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on September 01, 2016, 11:16:11 AM
Maybe, maybe not. The answer is for the adult teams to amalgamate - before Portlaoise win 20 in a row.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Portbush on September 01, 2016, 07:17:14 PM
Have to agree with you there.i see St. Paul's there having a great run of success at the moment.i just think if they were together it would take a few years but they could have a good team out of it.for me is I can't understand how they go out at youth level and play together and at senior level there playing against each other.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: haze on September 01, 2016, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Portbush on September 01, 2016, 07:17:14 PM
Have to agree with you there.i see St. Paul's there having a great run of success at the moment.i just think if they were together it would take a few years but they could have a good team out of it.for me is I can't understand how they go out at youth level and play together and at senior level there playing against each other.

out of interest are you proposing a new club amalgamtion or an amalgamation for purposes of playing senior football where clubs retain identity and play at lower level (Kerry system if you like).

If it's option 1, I wonder what appetite would you think might there be in Courtwood, Emo or the Rock would be willing to fold their current identity to create a new combined one?

Lots of valid calls on this forum for fresh thinking when it comes to re-invigorating senior championship but not always clear from people who want to see amalgamtions what form they want them to take.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 02, 2016, 08:54:51 AM
To play devils advocate, and I would be in favor of amalgamations in theory, but I'd like to hear how Borris Kilcotton are getting on with theirs since they joined. At the time it was the most obvious thing in the world, and almost pointed to immediate success at adult level were it to go through, but while it may not be far off, it hasn't happened yet (in the grade that matters). How is the feeling up there about it I wonder, across the grades?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Portbush on September 02, 2016, 12:18:39 PM
What I can see is its not working. This year courtwood lost against the rock in championship.st Pauls use to be emo courtwood now the rock are in.i think  they come in at under 16 level not sure on that.now have courtwood benefited from the rock joining the St. Paul's set up I don't think so.you would get the odd reply o we are winning but it's St. Paul's that are winning not emo the rock or  Courtwood. I see in the hurling there are a lot of senior teams joined and some have won championships.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ogie on September 02, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Don,
I know you like nothing more than trying to stir shit on this forum among your hurling club counterparts, this topic from reading it was all about the football underage set ups following on from the Minor Football final result
But to reply to your point and put it to bed the amalgamation in Borris Kilcotton, like Rathdowney Errill, has become a non issue, it's now the norm,
Of course people criticise the Senior team & other teams when they perform poorly the same as other clubs but theirs never a mention of parting or going backwards, would we like more members, more volunteers, more money, more success, are their a few fella's that think the should be playing on the team above them, all Yes of course, the same as every club.
Would we dearly love a Senior hurling final Yes, but their not handed out easily.
Would it cement and bring more members into the club on the bandwagon, yes, but we're going ok, and like the politicians say we will be ok 'going forward'.

Borris Kilcotton, Rathdowney Errill are not part of this conversation, both have been playing underage together for a long long time and was the foundation for this amalgamation which was strongly supported in all clubs involved.
To answer your question the feeling is good & the work will continue!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 02, 2016, 02:24:58 PM
Thats a bit out the blue Ogie, I wasn't stirring anything, merely showing BK to be a good model when discussing do underage amalgamations prove fruitful when moved to adult level. I doubt my post would bring it down if thats what you felt. I think its a good amalgamation and an obvious one, but merely showed that it must be worked at as an amalgamation alone won't bring success, hard work will be required also, as well as staying the course. I'd imagine it takes a strong hand to do so and thats another major element.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2016, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Ogie on September 02, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Don,
I know you like nothing more than trying to stir shit on this forum among your hurling club counterparts, this topic from reading it was all about the football underage set ups following on from the Minor Football final result
But to reply to your point and put it to bed the amalgamation in Borris Kilcotton, like Rathdowney Errill, has become a non issue, it's now the norm,
Of course people criticise the Senior team & other teams when they perform poorly the same as other clubs but theirs never a mention of parting or going backwards, would we like more members, more volunteers, more money, more success, are their a few fella's that think the should be playing on the team above them, all Yes of course, the same as every club.
Would we dearly love a Senior hurling final Yes, but their not handed out easily.
Would it cement and bring more members into the club on the bandwagon, yes, but we're going ok, and like the politicians say we will be ok 'going forward'.

Borris Kilcotton, Rathdowney Errill are not part of this conversation, both have been playing underage together for a long long time and was the foundation for this amalgamation which was strongly supported in all clubs involved.
To answer your question the feeling is good & the work will continue!

Bit sensitive Ogie!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ogie on September 03, 2016, 02:18:39 AM
Another good sneery Camross contributer keyser, God I miss Merman & a few like him with interesting posts
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 03, 2016, 03:37:00 PM
Ah so you're sensitive to all posters. Thats good to know.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 03, 2016, 09:22:07 PM
Quote from: Ogie on September 03, 2016, 02:18:39 AM
Another good sneery Camross contributer keyser, God I miss Merman & a few like him with interesting posts

Will you get a f**king grip man!

Point out somewhere that I have been sneery to you or somebody else?
The OP was about "underage amalgamations" and was not code specific.

Surely Borris Kilcotton would be the one most prospective "amalgamators" would look at, for a number of reasons;

1. They were together at underage.
2. They had success at underage.
3. Players wanted it.
4. It made two relatively weak senior teams into a strong senior

and finally (and perhaps most importantly)
5. There has not been the immediate success that some people (both inside and outside the BK camp) would have expected. Note the word SOME.
This point is crucial. Many possible join up partners would be cautious because "what happens if we win nothing? Will people try to break it up?" Castletown Slieve Bloom being an example!.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Don said.

Grow up and stop being so sensitive. 
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 06, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Portbush on September 01, 2016, 07:17:14 PM
Have to agree with you there.i see St. Paul's there having a great run of success at the moment.i just think if they were together it would take a few years but they could have a good team out of it.for me is I can't understand how they go out at youth level and play together and at senior level there playing against each other.
It's not just St Paul's. You have Killeshin Crettyard. Joseph's Barrowhouse. Mountmellick Ballyfin.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Portbush on September 07, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
Just used St. Paul's as a example that all because they are neighbouring club.but my question in general do you think these amalgamated clubs are working for the clubs involved.have any senior teams benefited from these amalgamation.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 10, 2016, 01:40:04 PM
I see a combination of Clonad, Ballinakill and Park Ratheniska won the under 16 B hurling last night. Is that a new set up this year?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: burdizzo on September 10, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
A bit of a one-off: Clonad are w/ Ratheniska qt u14, and on their own at u12.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on September 10, 2016, 09:19:24 PM
Clonad and Park together couldn't field on own this year due to small numbers and Ballinakill were in same boat. Boat joined to get game time for the lads.Important to keep the small bunch game time.  Successful year.  :)
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 16, 2016, 04:15:47 PM
With the strength of the St Paul's & the weakness of Emo and Courtwood been shown this year you'd think the amalgamation issue would pop its head up again this winter. From the outside looking in it makes sense. Have them together from when they start playing U6's and then pull them apart after Minors. Strange when the underage sides are doing so well. More to it I know but should be considered, in my opinion anyway
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Portbush on September 16, 2016, 07:07:18 PM
I agree with you there. We all know that the rock are in with them but if the rock weren't they would be still strong I don't know if they would be winning but they would  be there or there abouts. This could be just a couple of good teams they have now but the to me the only way these young players are going to improve is for them to join(easier said than done)the only way young players will improve is playing at the top level.if emo go down tomorrow you will have one of the strongest under age teams in Laois feeding 3 intermediate teams.so is Laois football benefiting from not only St. Paul's but these 3 or more clubs amalgamation no it's not my opinion
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 18, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
Why just them though? Why not Annanough and Timahoe (and possibly Park Ratheniska)? Why not a Mountmellick/Kilcavan/The Rock combo? The 2 Arles teams have to think about what the future holds too?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
So Emo did go down & St Paul's won their second straight U16A Championship to go with their Minor & they'll probably win the U17's too - all this to go feed Intermediate teams shortly. Crazy
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 19, 2016, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
So Emo did go down & St Paul's won their second straight U16A Championship to go with their Minor & they'll probably win the U17's too - all this to go feed Intermediate teams shortly. Crazy
Emo could be senior again in 2018.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
It makes perfect and logical sense for underage amalgamation and the proof of this is the success
of St. Pauls. As I have seen in the other posts The Rock only join in with St Pauls at under 16
level but the vast percentage of the players at St. Pauls come from the Courtwood, Emo
catchment areas. Its crazy in St Pauls that when they reach 18 they then have to play against each other.
If you are looking to break the coronation of Portlaoise every year, the County Board must encourage
or have a plan regarding amalgamating regions and having a proper structured championship in place.
It also has to be done by a willing bunch of like minded players, If you are relying upon clubs committees
to arrange these things, Portlaoise will be heading for 30 in a row. The initial reluctance of clubs will eventually
subside and every player and every team will find their level. It also reduces the costs by concentrating on
a centre of excellence within one club but using the other club for junior matches etc. Strip out the history and pontification
and you might get somewhere someday.   

         
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 22, 2016, 11:53:35 AM
From what I know the vast majority are for it from St Pauls, Courtwood & Emo but as usual there's a few people stuck in the dark ages who are intent on blocking the whole thing. More concerned with the clubs identity than what's best for the players and their future
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 12:04:03 PM
Maybe the players are interested in the Clubs identity as well?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 22, 2016, 01:01:41 PM
I think the players and the parents are the ones who are the most for it
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 22, 2016, 01:01:41 PM
I think the players and the parents are the ones who are the most for it
Its my experience that the players are happy where they are, and if they could get a senior outlet via an area side, and continue to play with their friends and neighbours, they'd be just as happy.

As for the parents, enough said.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 01:33:56 PM
History is important to people when they retire and their pictures are up on the wall.
Players are looking for success and the ability to play within a competitive team. Consistency
is important and to break up kids who have been playing together from age 6-17 due
to history and old values and views would be a real shame.

Maybe they will have to form as a junior club and move it forward or knock heads together.

If it was any other sport it would be viewed as madness that the nursery of success at juvenile level
is diluted considering that players could play for either club as its the same parish. if all the players
chose one club over another I wonder what would happen.
 
     
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 01:33:56 PM
History is important to people when they retire and their pictures are up on the wall.
Players are looking for success and the ability to play within a competitive team.
Can they not put themselves on the walls of their Junior/Intermediate Club? Emo have pictures on the wall from a few years back when they won the IFC. Courtwood have pictures of themselves on their walls when they won the JFC only a few years back.

If amalgamations are for the right reasons, I have no issues with them, but people seem to be thinking one or two underage teams are going to take down the Town. Seems a lot of pressure to put on a few U16's and Minors, some of whom may not even be playing the game in 5 years, and thats nothing to do with either Club, just natural drop off.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 02:43:14 PM
Yes point well made. And hopefully a number of the 16's 17 and minors will end up in college
and will be playing ,and under pressure to play for their college team or neighbourhood of
residence. Ultimately with the drop off, you are probably only talking about 3-4 players every year
moving up. But would Emo or Courtwood not better with the likes of Darren Strong and Niall Donoher
playing on the same side.

This is precisely the point that an amalgamation of both clubs would appear to be the best way to combat all
those factors. Statistically the team would do better if had more players to pick from as opposed to splitting
them up. I am sure both clubs could build an extension on both their club walls for pictures, if successful.

There is a heap of new houses in that area who have no affiliation to either club but have only known St. Pauls.

Amalgamations for the sake of it are pointless but there is probably not many clubs which are so intrinsically linked
than St Pauls and the two clubs of Emo and Courtwood.   
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 22, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
I have always felt gales teams are a better way of going about it, you gain something and lose nothing really, if a gales team is successful then maybe there is something to talk about in terms of amalgamations. Im sure that if emo had stayed up the call for courtwood (and possibly the rock too) would of being seriously considered for a gales team.

Would any other clubs be viable options in peoples opinions?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 22, 2016, 11:53:35 AM
From what I know the vast majority are for it from St Pauls, Courtwood & Emo but as usual there's a few people stuck in the dark ages who are intent on blocking the whole thing. More concerned with the clubs identity than what's best for the players and their future
Hmm. Strikes me as a strange form of democracy where the wishes of "a few people stuck in the dark ages" outweigh those of "the vast majority"! Are you sure that's how it works?!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on September 22, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
I have always felt gales teams are a better way of going about it, you gain something and lose nothing really, if a gales team is successful then maybe there is something to talk about in terms of amalgamations. Im sure that if emo had stayed up the call for courtwood (and possibly the rock too) would of being seriously considered for a gales team.

Would any other clubs be viable options in peoples opinions?

What difference does Emo being relegated make?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: redsetanta on September 22, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Emo would have to be in senior championship for a gaels team to compete there. I am assuming that's what is meant.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 01:33:56 PM
considering that players could play for either club as its the same parish. if all the players
chose one club over another I wonder what would happen. 
That's not accurate. No player in any parish can just decide to play for a particular club within that parish. Not just Emo parish either. All underage players are registered with an adult club and to leave that adult club they need a transfer. A lad living in Ballylinan and registered with them can't just willy nilly decide to play for Arles Kilcruise when he turns 18.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on September 22, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Emo would have to be in senior championship for a gaels team to compete there. I am assuming that's what is meant.
Not necessarily as I understand by rule and it's called a group team or area team.
People in Laois refer to it as a "Gaels team" because of the tendency to use the term Gaels when naming their group team.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Downtheroad on September 22, 2016, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on September 22, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
I have always felt gales teams are a better way of going about it, you gain something and lose nothing really, if a gales team is successful then maybe there is something to talk about in terms of amalgamations. Im sure that if emo had stayed up the call for courtwood (and possibly the rock too) would of being seriously considered for a gales team.

Would any other clubs be viable options in peoples opinions?

What difference does Emo being relegated make?
1 imagine if Emo stayed they would formed a gaels team. Now that they are relegated, I can't see Co Board allowing an amalgamation that results in 17 teams in the championship.  Your own recent experience with Courtwood/Ratheniska/Ananough  should bear that one out.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 04:45:50 PM
My understanding is that within the parish of Emo once a player has not played for an adult club they are entitled to play for either
Emo or Courtwood as its the same parish. If a person age 18 plays for either adult team they then become
affiliated to that club and will have to play for Emo or Courtwood on the basis that is their club.

There may be old historical areas but under the same parish it holds through that there is an entitelment to play for either club.

A child under 17 cant be registered to the adult club and is only used for Insurance purposes. That's my understanding
when asked.     
     
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 04:59:17 PM
I am not sure what the situation is with the first club rule is for juvenlle clubs
but to clarify I understand that the adult clubs register the players as they have to
be registered with an adult club although they don't play for them but for an independent
team within the adult clubs.   
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 22, 2016, 04:45:50 PM
My understanding is that within the parish of Emo once a player has not played for an adult club they are entitled to play for either
Emo or Courtwood as its the same parish. If a person age 18 plays for either adult team they then become
affiliated to that club and will have to play for Emo or Courtwood on the basis that is their club.

There may be old historical areas but under the same parish it holds through that there is an entitelment to play for either club.

A child under 17 cant be registered to the adult club and is only used for Insurance purposes. That's my understanding
when asked.     
   
Honestly, that's not the case. It's the complete opposite. St Paul's is technically not a club as such. It's an underage amalgamation of two adult clubs. All the children to be insured properly have to be registered with one or other of the adult clubs. I know. I registered loads of them in my time!
And it's the same for Stradbally Parish Gaels, Ballylinan Gleanmore or any of the other underage amalgamations.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on September 22, 2016, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on September 22, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
I have always felt gales teams are a better way of going about it, you gain something and lose nothing really, if a gales team is successful then maybe there is something to talk about in terms of amalgamations. Im sure that if emo had stayed up the call for courtwood (and possibly the rock too) would of being seriously considered for a gales team.

Would any other clubs be viable options in peoples opinions?

What difference does Emo being relegated make?
1 imagine if Emo stayed they would formed a gaels team. Now that they are relegated, I can't see Co Board allowing an amalgamation that results in 17 teams in the championship.  Your own recent experience with Courtwood/Ratheniska/Ananough  should bear that one out.

Agreed. But the rule doesn't prevent two non senior teams joining to form a senior area team.
What happened last time was that the other clubs voted it down. Hopefully they won't do the same if Emo and Courtwood decide to enter a senior team next year.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 22, 2016, 06:13:47 PM
If they were to go together next year it could be good timing as it would give them an excellent chance to win something (inter), and gel together as a unit outside of senior, would probably be able to make a good stab at a leinster too(which i fully expect o dempseys or timahoe to do). While i wouldnt aggree with it I do understand the logic
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Downtheroad on September 22, 2016, 09:22:54 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on September 22, 2016, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on September 22, 2016, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on September 22, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
I have always felt gales teams are a better way of going about it, you gain something and lose nothing really, if a gales team is successful then maybe there is something to talk about in terms of amalgamations. Im sure that if emo had stayed up the call for courtwood (and possibly the rock too) would of being seriously considered for a gales team.

Would any other clubs be viable options in peoples opinions?

What difference does Emo being relegated make?
1 imagine if Emo stayed they would formed a gaels team. Now that they are relegated, I can't see Co Board allowing an amalgamation that results in 17 teams in the championship.  Your own recent experience with Courtwood/Ratheniska/Ananough  should bear that one out.

Agreed. But the rule doesn't prevent two non senior teams joining to form a senior area team.
What happened last time was that the other clubs voted it down. Hopefully they won't do the same if Emo and Courtwood decide to enter a senior team next year.
The problem is 17 teams. Any county with a spark of sense knows that a county like Laois needs less rather  than more senior teams. Kerry have 8 club teams while Kilkenny have only 12 in hurling. Laois is bad enough having 16 but adding to it would be madness. One of the few redeeming features of the current championship format  is that a 16 team format is it makes it a neat competition to run off. 17 only brings problems.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 22, 2016, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
people seem to be thinking one or two underage teams are going to take down the Town. Seems a lot of pressure to put on a few U16's and Minors, some of whom may not even be playing the game in 5 years, and thats nothing to do with either Club, just natural drop off.

Nail on the head there. This year it's St Paul's. 5 years ago it was Killeshin Crettyard. 10 or 12 years ago it was Stradbally Parish Gaels. Underage success is cyclical. Apart from Portlaoise of course.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: SCFC on September 22, 2016, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
people seem to be thinking one or two underage teams are going to take down the Town. Seems a lot of pressure to put on a few U16's and Minors, some of whom may not even be playing the game in 5 years, and thats nothing to do with either Club, just natural drop off.

Nail on the head there. This year it's St Paul's. 5 years ago it was Killeshin Crettyard. 10 or 12 years ago it was Stradbally Parish Gaels. Underage success is cyclical. Apart from Portlaoise of course.
What underage success have Portlaoise had in the last number of years?
There's pros and cons to the argument of amalgamations but where it benefits the teams involved, and the players, then its something that maybe should be looked at in more detail. Noone's saying its for everyone. The Courtwood/Emo one seems a very logical one that has lots of support. Hesh's Umpire, from talking to a lot of people involved in the 3 clubs it does seem that this is the case.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 23, 2016, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: SCFC on September 22, 2016, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
people seem to be thinking one or two underage teams are going to take down the Town. Seems a lot of pressure to put on a few U16's and Minors, some of whom may not even be playing the game in 5 years, and thats nothing to do with either Club, just natural drop off.

Nail on the head there. This year it's St Paul's. 5 years ago it was Killeshin Crettyard. 10 or 12 years ago it was Stradbally Parish Gaels. Underage success is cyclical. Apart from Portlaoise of course.
What underage success have Portlaoise had in the last number of years?
There's pros and cons to the argument of amalgamations but where it benefits the teams involved, and the players, then its something that maybe should be looked at in more detail. Noone's saying its for everyone. The Courtwood/Emo one seems a very logical one that has lots of support. Hesh's Umpire, from talking to a lot of people involved in the 3 clubs it does seem that this is the case.
Then they should bring it forward at a meeting.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 23, 2016, 10:58:57 AM
Cannot see County Board allowing a 17th Senior Team but would work if coming from intermediate.  I like the idea of St Pauls Gaels as it's football clubs interesting.   I think also people are only looking at the positive side on this forum.  If St Pauls became a Gaels team  to be honest it's basically a stronger Emo team that's fine for Emo but how would Courtwood Club feel about this when weaker players are getting no look in.   
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 23, 2016, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 09:53:09 AM
What underage success have Portlaoise had in the last number of years?
Fair point. Minor in 2011 and 2012 and under 21 in 2013. Not sure about younger age groups to be fair and they probably have fallen back a little bit. Point still stands though. Underage success is cyclical.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Bueller on September 23, 2016, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: SCFC on September 23, 2016, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 09:53:09 AM
What underage success have Portlaoise had in the last number of years?
Fair point. Minor in 2011 and 2012 and under 21 in 2013. Not sure about younger age groups to be fair and they probably have fallen back a little bit. Point still stands though. Underage success is cyclical.
Have no fear buddies, plans are well in place for them to halt this slide, by fair or foul means.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
I assume the weaker players on Courtwood and Emo would play in the Junior set ups.

As advised earlier it might take a year or two of pain but every player and team would find its level.

That said it hasn't happened and people have been talking about it for years I believe.

Only new to the area but there is a lot of people talking about it , the problem is its
in trenches and has not reached the officers mess yet.

Yes juvenile success is Cyclical but at every age level from under 12's up,  St. Pauls and Ballyroan
appear to be very strong. At least Cyclical you can deal with a monopoly of senior tiltles does noting
for the rest of the clubs   
       
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Timmy on September 23, 2016, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 23, 2016, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: SCFC on September 22, 2016, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 22, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
people seem to be thinking one or two underage teams are going to take down the Town. Seems a lot of pressure to put on a few U16's and Minors, some of whom may not even be playing the game in 5 years, and thats nothing to do with either Club, just natural drop off.

Nail on the head there. This year it's St Paul's. 5 years ago it was Killeshin Crettyard. 10 or 12 years ago it was Stradbally Parish Gaels. Underage success is cyclical. Apart from Portlaoise of course.
What underage success have Portlaoise had in the last number of years?
There's pros and cons to the argument of amalgamations but where it benefits the teams involved, and the players, then its something that maybe should be looked at in more detail. Noone's saying its for everyone. The Courtwood/Emo one seems a very logical one that has lots of support. Hesh's Umpire, from talking to a lot of people involved in the 3 clubs it does seem that this is the case.
Then they should bring it forward at a meeting.

I'd be surprised if it's as popular as you think el jefe. But as don says there is always an opportunity for people to bring it up at meetings.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
It is, especially on the St Paul's end. Cant see it happening though unfortunately for them. It has been brought up a few times from what I can gather but that's as far as its got
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on September 23, 2016, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
It is, especially on the St Paul's end. Cant see it happening though unfortunately for them. It has been brought up a few times from what I can gather but that's as far as its got
The St Pauls end? Who is the St Pauls end? Surely its Emo or Courtwood? I was under the impression St Pauls is merely a Juvenile grouping created to give football to players from both these clubs? Are St Pauls going to go it alone as an entity entirely?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
No not at all, where did you get that from? :-\ I mean the St Paul's club in general (players, parents, coaches etc) are in favour of keeping the players together moving forward as an Emo/Courtwood amalgamation, basically what this whole thread has been about
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
 I would assume it would have to be with the blessing of both clubs. I cant see St. Pauls going it alone
as in 5 years time you then have to try and amalgamate three Clubs.

The name is probably an issue for Emo and Courtwood as well and the easiest way would be to
rename it as St. Pauls or St. Pauls Gaels.

But there is probably more chance of Rangers and Celtic merging and the forum will have the
same questions in 5 years time and the boat will have sailed. 
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on September 23, 2016, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
No not at all, where did you get that from? :-\ I mean the St Paul's club in general (players, parents, coaches etc) are in favour of keeping the players together moving forward as an Emo/Courtwood amalgamation, basically what this whole thread has been about

Agree. I've heard a number of parents of Pauls players who feel that the amalgamation should be continued at adult level. Ideally, it should be the clubs joining up, rather than them operating under an Emo Gaels format. I think they could come together at intermediate level, yes?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 23, 2016, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: El Jefe on September 23, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
No not at all, where did you get that from? :-\ I mean the St Paul's club in general (players, parents, coaches etc) are in favour of keeping the players together moving forward as an Emo/Courtwood amalgamation, basically what this whole thread has been about
They need to join the adult clubs then and make their views known. Not much point speculating about it, is there?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on September 23, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.
Clonad have joined with Park Ratheniska and Timahoe at underage hurling for years. Would this be leaving them in the lurch a bit?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
We approached both colt and shanahoe before the start of this season with a view to forming a more concrete amalgamation for 8's up to u21's. We'd be also hoping to keep the Heath lads on board as they play hurling with us underage and we would'nt have any issues with our chaps playing football with them if they want.

As regards the other 2 clubs,unfortunately they contribute little in terms of mentors or input,even though they were always welcome to come over to watch us train their players in Clonad but we have to look after the needs of our own club first. 
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: County baller on September 23, 2016, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: SCFC on September 23, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.
Clonad have joined with Park Ratheniska and Timahoe at underage hurling for years. Would this be leaving them in the lurch a bit?

Ratheniska U12s left Clonad this year to try field their own hurling team leaving Clonad with only 10 players. This has really destabilised the relationship between the two clubs and has forced Clonad to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
Your right Baller

A delegation came over from Ratheniska back in February looking for training to be done half the time over there

There was nothing wrong up to that with us doing  everything and they sitting back and letting us do it,at the end of the day they are a football club in the main similar to the Heath and  Timahoe and we would have the hurling knowledge,results at u14 level in particular,would bear that out.

We need to do what's right by our club first,no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years

Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.

Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years

This is obviously a WUM.
Why would Colt or Shanahoe do that when they have a very solid, longterm, and relatively successful underage set up themselves.
Also both clubs compete at a higher adult grade than Clonad.

Admirable commitment in attempting to keep the wind up going but surely not too many here buying it?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 08:38:20 PM
Far from a wind up,Clonad approached both clubs at the start of the year with regard to a full juvenile hurling amalgamation from u8's to u21's.

Clonad has been very up front with regards training and mentors being Clonad based,this has worked very well for us in our previous amalgamation and we would be insistent that it would continue.

You might have your doubts,but this amalgamation is very close to being finalized.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: County baller on September 23, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
Your right Baller

A delegation came over from Ratheniska back in February looking for training to be done half the time over there

There was nothing wrong up to that with us doing  everything and they sitting back and letting us do it,at the end of the day they are a football club in the main similar to the Heath and  Timahoe and we would have the hurling knowledge,results at u14 level in particular,would bear that out.

We need to do what's right by our club first,no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years

I'd love to think that they would wear our jersey but realistically I don't see it happening. They have a successful amalgamation going themselves. A more realistic aim would be to talk to Ratheniska and Timahoe, get them to put in a better effort and ensure nothing like this year happens again. Another option which would be less popular would be to continue Clonad as an intermediate team and approach Portlaoise to enter a Gaels hurling team to give our players better standard of hurling. I don't see the second happening any time soon so our options are limited!!!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
On a related note I see Ballyfin have their own U12 football team? And there is also a team called Sarsfields- are they just Mountmellick?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 23, 2016, 09:45:58 PM
From what was told colt and shanahoe are going with ballypickas right up to u21 next year, have been with them up until u16 the last few years
From what i know of the colt lads they cant stand clonad people, and given that colt/shanahoe have been continusly beating clonad and playing at a higher level than them for the majority of the last 15 years i couldnt imagine them going to let their players play with clonad without any say
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Downtheroad on September 23, 2016, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.

Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years

This is obviously a WUM.
Why would Colt or Shanahoe do that when they have a very solid, longterm, and relatively successful underage set up themselves.
Also both clubs compete at a higher adult grade than Clonad.

Admirable commitment in attempting to keep the wind up going but surely not too many here buying it?
I don't agree with everyone's view on this forum but most are made in good faith and are valid. No need for trolls here.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on September 23, 2016, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.

Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years

This is obviously a WUM.
Why would Colt or Shanahoe do that when they have a very solid, longterm, and relatively successful underage set up themselves.
Also both clubs compete at a higher adult grade than Clonad.

Admirable commitment in attempting to keep the wind up going but surely not too many here buying it?
I don't agree with everyone's view on this forum but most are made in good faith and are valid. No need for trolls here.

Who is trolling?
This is clearly not a genuine proposal/possibility.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on September 23, 2016, 10:14:19 PM
Before a juvenile club was set up in Clonad some players played in raheen under Colt Shanahoe to my knowledge and others in portlaoise. I don't believe truth in advanced talks regarding an amalgamation.

There is a bit of annoyance this year in Clonad with Park Ratheniska at under 12 that division 1 hurling as an amalgamation at 12s grade was compromised so Park could hurl Division 3 and hockey football teams and under 11 teams. Not worth a sh*te in the long run and I'm sure plenty would agree on this forum to have teams competing at highest level is best way for progression of hurling.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: burdizzo on September 25, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Yes, that is absolutely a bag of lies - there is no 'advanced talk' between Clonad and Colt. I could speculate at the reasons for trying to put that out there, but I think it rather foolish to spread untruths on a forum like this.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Neiska Man on September 25, 2016, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
We approached both colt and shanahoe before the start of this season with a view to forming a more concrete amalgamation for 8's up to u21's.

Quote from: County baller on September 23, 2016, 07:17:04 PM
Ratheniska U12s left Clonad this year to try field their own hurling team leaving Clonad with only 10 players. This has really destabilised the relationship between the two clubs and has forced Clonad to look elsewhere.

It was quite an achievement for Park/Ratheniska to destabilise the relationship when, if you were to believe what has been stated above, Clonad went to Colt and Shanahoe at the start of this year to form an amalgamation.

I won't comment anymore on here, as I think its a disgrace to see something like this discussed on a messageboard by people with agendas hiding behind anonymous usernames. It would do well for some to remember that in the 80's and 90's, it was Ratheniska who catered for Clonad hurlers, both by coaching and using facilities and jerseys, and sought no kudos for doing so. We gave lads an outlet to hurl and had fun doing so, that's what it's about.

If there is an issue to be dealt with, it is a matter for the Committees of both Clubs. It shames both of us to see some of the talk on here. And it downright disgusts me that on the weekend when we lost a former chairman and secretary far too young, a man who was directly reaponsible for coaching many a man who went onto hurl adult level for Clonad, that I have to come on here and address this horseshit. Whoever is pushing this is no degree of a man.

Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: burdizzo on September 25, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
Yes. In fact, I would be surprised if "clonadmad" was a Clonad man at all.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: County baller on September 25, 2016, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: Neiska Man on September 25, 2016, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
We approached both colt and shanahoe before the start of this season with a view to forming a more concrete amalgamation for 8's up to u21's.

Quote from: County baller on September 23, 2016, 07:17:04 PM
Ratheniska U12s left Clonad this year to try field their own hurling team leaving Clonad with only 10 players. This has really destabilised the relationship between the two clubs and has forced Clonad to look elsewhere.

I apologise if you mis-understood my comment. Before this year Clonad had not approached Colt looking to form an amalgamation. 1. Colt would not be interested and 2. We have a perfectly sound amalgamation at most levels and it is only at U12 level that there has been friction. By looking elsewhere I was referring to the amalgamation our U12 team formed with Na Fianna for Kilkenny league games.

It was quite an achievement for Park/Ratheniska to destabilise the relationship when, if you were to believe what has been stated above, Clonad went to Colt and Shanahoe at the start of this year to form an amalgamation.

I won't comment anymore on here, as I think its a disgrace to see something like this discussed on a messageboard by people with agendas hiding behind anonymous usernames. It would do well for some to remember that in the 80's and 90's, it was Ratheniska who catered for Clonad hurlers, both by coaching and using facilities and jerseys, and sought no kudos for doing so. We gave lads an outlet to hurl and had fun doing so, that's what it's about.

If there is an issue to be dealt with, it is a matter for the Committees of both Clubs. It shames both of us to see some of the talk on here. And it downright disgusts me that on the weekend when we lost a former chairman and secretary far too young, a man who was directly reaponsible for coaching many a man who went onto hurl adult level for Clonad, that I have to come on here and address this horseshit. Whoever is pushing this is no degree of a man.


Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Downtheroad on October 16, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
Hard to know what to make of under 17 football final today. St Pauls/Rock won under 16 and minor and managed to lose the one in between in no uncertain terms. Some strange decisions made today by their management team which smacked of politics with lads who played in minor final not even starting or on the bench. I believe The Rock had only one player togged out. One way or another Port were deserving winners and indicates that Courtwood and Emo will have to join at adult level to become a genuine force.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: El Jefe on October 17, 2016, 09:49:49 AM
Port were certainly the better team and deserved the victory. They'd lost 5 finals v St Paul's over the last few years so they were due one. In saying that, it was St Paul's worst performance in a long time and as said above it certainly wasn't helped by the sideline. Some very poor and baffling decisions made.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on October 19, 2016, 12:04:22 AM
This for both hurling and football or football only?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Portbush on October 20, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: Helix on October 19, 2016, 12:04:22 AM
This for both hurling and football or football only?
i started this post off because I wanted to know people's opinion on underage amalgamation.(  hurling football doesn't matter) do they work. I see it here in Laois and Offaly where you could have a number of teams together and they split when it comes to senior level.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on October 20, 2016, 09:40:01 PM
Reality is every club cant have the numbers for an underage team, so they go in wifh a neighbouring club, usually smaller clubs, i have noticed that a lot of people are complaining about small clubs and why cant they just join up, well you actually end up losing numbers after a few years be it from lads not able to accept not being on a first team or clashes of personality, etc. Even in my own club while thing have improved in the last few years there are still people who would rather ballyroan were on their own as an intermediate team, than have abbeyleix lads and the abbey on the name
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: town1980 on October 20, 2016, 10:20:05 PM
Well them lads are no good for your club in my mind with yere amalgamation yee could be a junior team,,, yee played some great football this year I felt with the help of abbeyleix and a lot of them ,,,the lads that think that in your club are probably the older generation men not the new breed of people yee av doing good work at all them young leveks
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on October 20, 2016, 10:32:09 PM
I echo what Ballyroan regarding numbers. I find unless you're joined at an adult grade the underage amalgamation keeping players will be a challenge as being split in adult grade from being as 1 bunch from juveniles onwards. Underage amalgamations fill a void for small clubs to have a lads playing hurling regularly. In my own club we are joined from 14's onwards but sadly this year unable to field at minor and u21 due to poor numbers which is frustrating. Amalgamation has it pros if used properly it can allow for competing at higher grade and exposure to higher standard of hurling. In Laois (and i'm sure around most parts of the country) division 1 and division 2 are very significant gap in terms of quality. Amalgamations allow more of a chance to exposure to the higher level and enhance player quality when it comes to adult grade.

The problem with amalgamating at adult is you have a small minority who would rather stay in the doldrums and reflect on how great a club was 40-50 years ago than join with a rival club to enhance hurling at a higher level for current players. Take in Offaly this year for example Clodiagh Gaels, 2 neighbouring clubs Killurin and Killeagh won an intermediate hurling title following joining together only recently (2015). A strong underage amalgamation is present and won a minor A competition and have a decent crop coming through. Having an outlet to hurl at higher level increases motivation for players rather than fluting around.
Speaking from a frustrated player point of view that politics is holding back amalgamations and ever reaching a higher standard of hurling in the county, especially so small. Underage ones fill a void for players to play but if there's no ambition at adult, you're wasting your time.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:24:33 PM
Clodiagh Gaels were only going back together. Killurin split from Killeigh years ago over a non GAA matter.
They have a fine crop of players but won't threaten the senior. 
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 01, 2016, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:24:33 PM
Clodiagh Gaels were only going back together. Killurin split from Killeigh years ago over a non GAA matter.
They have a fine crop of players but won't threaten the senior. 
Thanks for the clear up with the split years ago. At least they've a chance to mix it senior in Offaly. There was lads on Midlands 103 after they won final this year near 40 on that team this year all with an aim all career to play senior hurling. Agree they probably wont threaten at senior. They have that chance now at least. How long they'll get it of course depends.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 11, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Heard that so-called 'wind up' a few months back with Clonad pulling away from Park Ratheniska and going to St Fintans raheen has now been passed from 2017 onwards.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 02:52:25 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 11, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Heard that so-called 'wind up' a few months back with Clonad pulling away from Park Ratheniska and going to St Fintans raheen has now been passed from 2017 onwards.

Speaking for myself only, the "wind up" aspect was that Raheen were going to hurl with Clonad and wear Clonad jerseys at all grades etc etc (as highlighted below). I still cannot see this part of it happening, even if the join up part is true!!

Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.


Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 02:52:25 PM

Speaking for myself only, the "wind up" aspect was that Raheen were going to hurl with Clonad and wear Clonad jerseys at all grades etc etc (as highlighted below). I still cannot see this part of it happening, even if the join up part is true!!

Would St Fintans be under pressure for numbers?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 03:14:51 PM


Perhaps at some age groups. They would be fine at minor next year for example but I do know that they have had Ballypickas with them at U12/14/16 this year (or at least some of those age groups)- offering a couple of players here and there.

Some very unusual Senior join ups being mooted. Ballinakill are rumoured to have a trick or two up their "Slieve"'s.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on November 11, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 02:52:25 PM

Speaking for myself only, the "wind up" aspect was that Raheen were going to hurl with Clonad and wear Clonad jerseys at all grades etc etc (as highlighted below). I still cannot see this part of it happening, even if the join up part is true!!

Would St Fintans be under pressure for numbers?
[/quote

Perhaps at some age groups. They would be fine at minor next year for example but I do know that they have had Ballypickas with them at U12/14/16 this year (or at least some of those age groups)- offering a couple of players here and there.

Some very unusual Senior join ups being mooted. Ballinakill are rumoured to have a trick or two up their "Slieve"'s.

It says alot for the relations between some clubs in this county that ballinakill and slieve bloom would join, you would imagine that castletown could take slieve bloom for a gales team, as for ballinakill there is less than 2k between there pitch and ballypickas's, yet there appears to be no chance of reconcilliation between them. The Clonad and st fintains situation makes sense at least seeing as its the one parish. We had a situation where there was an u16 final between clonad/ratheniska/ballinakill vs st fintain/ballypickas, utter madness even the 2 arles's are together at underage
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 03:27:20 PM
Strange times indeed. Credit to any Club, such as Rosenallis, who try and go their own way at underage these days. Hard to know what to make of some of these amalgamations.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 11, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
The Ballinakill Slieve bloom rumour thing is surely to have Ben Conroy hurling senior club level in championship to possibly help them win a senior before the core bunch gets older in Ballinakill..

Speaking for myself only, the "wind up" aspect was that Raheen were going to hurl with Clonad and wear Clonad jerseys at all grades etc etc (as highlighted below). I still cannot see this part of it happening, even if the join up part is true!! [/quote]

The jersey thing will sort itself in time. Possibly rejig the gaels jersey. Time will tell. Aim I suppose this gaels would try hurl in A competition all the way from 10s to minor and 21s. Should have been done years ago.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 11, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
The Ballinakill Slieve bloom rumour thing is surely to have Ben Conroy hurling senior club level in championship to possibly help them win a senior before the core bunch gets older in Ballinakill..

Speaking for myself only, the "wind up" aspect was that Raheen were going to hurl with Clonad and wear Clonad jerseys at all grades etc etc (as highlighted below). I still cannot see this part of it happening, even if the join up part is true!!

The jersey thing will sort itself in time. Possibly rejig the gaels jersey. Time will tell. Aim I suppose this gaels would try hurl in A competition all the way from 10s to minor and 21s. Should have been done years ago.
[/quote]

Absolutely!
All I was saying was that what was being mooted by that poster was Clonad effectively "taking over" the running of juvenile hurling for a combination of Clonad, Shanahoe and Colt- that is never going to happen!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 11, 2016, 04:27:34 PM

[/quote]
Absolutely!
All I was saying was that what was being mooted by that poster was Clonad effectively "taking over" the running of juvenile hurling for a combination of Clonad, Shanahoe and Colt- that is never going to happen!
[/quote]
Ah yeah that was a wind up alright. Wouldn't rule out amalgamation at adult level in a couple of years time if this goes well. Numbers would be low among the clubs and to be at senior level realistically won't happen with Clonad colt or shanhoe on their own.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 11, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
So I guess what I was saying all along has come to pass despite some of the so called men in the know  on here shooting it down at the time.

A Raheen parish team at juvenile and senior would create waves and would be good for laois hurling in the medium to longer term.

Too many clubs fighting for the title of worlds tallest dwarf.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 11, 2016, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 11, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
So I guess what I was saying all along has come to pass despite some of the so called men in the know  on here shooting it down at the time.

A Raheen parish team at juvenile and senior would create waves and would be good for laois hurling in the medium to longer term.

Too many clubs fighting for the title of worlds tallest dwarf.

Show me where you said the above?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 11, 2016, 04:48:26 PM


Too many clubs fighting for the title of worlds tallest dwarf.
What does this mean?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 11, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
What I said on September 23rd

"Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves"

You shot the messenger back then,but I was proved right.


Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 12, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 11, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
What I said on September 23rd

"Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves"

You shot the messenger back then,but I was proved right.

Lol!
Why give the full story when half the story is a better fit!
What you actually said on September 23rd was;

Quote from: clonadmad on September 23, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 12, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
You seem to know the details of the agreement then,Keyser

Share it with us
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 12, 2016, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 12, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
You seem to know the details of the agreement then,Keyser

Share it with us

No nothing about it.
But if all juvenile teams in a combined Clonad/Colt/Shanahoe arrangement wear Clonad jerseys in 2017 I'll stand outside Eamon Duff's for the night dressed in a feather boa and chewing on my own mickey!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 13, 2016, 12:56:41 PM

[/quote]
No nothing about it.
But if all juvenile teams in a combined Clonad/Colt/Shanahoe arrangement wear Clonad jerseys in 2017 I'll stand outside Eamon Duff's for the night dressed in a feather boa and chewing on my own mickey!
[/quote]
Had a good laugh when saw this this morning  8)
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 13, 2016, 01:00:48 PM
Eamon won't be happy with that image
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 13, 2016, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 13, 2016, 01:00:48 PM
Eamon won't be happy with that image

If it draws a crowd I wouldn't say he'd worry  8)
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 13, 2016, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 12, 2016, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 12, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
You seem to know the details of the agreement then,Keyser

Share it with us

No nothing about it.
But if all juvenile teams in a combined Clonad/Colt/Shanahoe arrangement wear Clonad jerseys in 2017 I'll stand outside Eamon Duff's for the night dressed in a feather boa and chewing on my own mickey!
Sounds like you heard reports back from the first meeting between the 3 Friday night.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on November 13, 2016, 10:35:25 PM
I only hope for their own sakes that they are entering their teams in A competitions, if you have 4 clubs relying on 1 juvenile structure to produce players the minimum you should expect is that they are exposed to a high standard the whole way up, Fintans have to wonder where it has went so badly wrong for them in the last few year even though i have my suspicions
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 13, 2016, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 13, 2016, 10:35:25 PM
I only hope for their own sakes that they are entering their teams in A competitions, if you have 4 clubs relying on 1 juvenile structure to produce players the minimum you should expect is that they are exposed to a high standard the whole way up, Fintans have to wonder where it has went so badly wrong for them in the last few year even though i have my suspicions

Why do you say it has gone so badly wrong?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on November 14, 2016, 08:30:02 AM
Maybe so badly is an overstatement but up to around 5 years ago they were putting out teams by themselves that were very competitive in the A championship, the last few years they have failed to win B championships with ballypickas and ballacolla and have not been able to produce teams by themselves, and it isnt an issue of there being a lack of numbers in the parish
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 14, 2016, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 12, 2016, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 12, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
You seem to know the details of the agreement then,Keyser

Share it with us

No nothing about it.
But if all juvenile teams in a combined Clonad/Colt/Shanahoe arrangement wear Clonad jerseys in 2017 I'll stand outside Eamon Duff's for the night dressed in a feather boa and chewing on my own mickey!


That's a hostage to fortune post if I ever saw one  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

We have formally  informed Park/Ratheniska that our amalgamation with them is at an end,We had wanted a full amalgamation from u6 up with them,while they were only willing to give us an u14 and u 16 amalgamation.

Talks are progressing well between ourselves Colt/Shanahoe and Ballypickas with a view to including all juvenile age grades,we would expect that all teams will be hurling in Division 1 or the A grade.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 14, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2016, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 12, 2016, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 12, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
You seem to know the details of the agreement then,Keyser

Share it with us

No nothing about it.
But if all juvenile teams in a combined Clonad/Colt/Shanahoe arrangement wear Clonad jerseys in 2017 I'll stand outside Eamon Duff's for the night dressed in a feather boa and chewing on my own mickey!


That's a hostage to fortune post if I ever saw one  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

We have formally  informed Park/Ratheniska that our amalgamation with them is at an end,We had wanted a full amalgamation from u6 up with them,while they were only willing to give us an u14 and u 16 amalgamation.

Talks are progressing well between ourselves Colt/Shanahoe and Ballypickas with a view to including all juvenile age grades,we would expect that all teams will be hurling in Division 1 or the A grade.

That is probably a constructive arrangement for all involved.
Would that see players from the parishes of Mountrath, Raheen, Abbeyleix and Portlaoise involved?!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 14, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
It would and given our existing player base,probably some from Stradbally/Timahoe also
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 14, 2016, 08:16:07 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
It would and given our existing player base,probably some from Stradbally/Timahoe also

Jaysus! Never mind playing in 'A'- I think there should be immediate calls for a split into North Clonad and South Clonad*!

*I'm sure both teams will sport green jerseys with a yellow sash!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on November 14, 2016, 08:37:45 PM
Why ballypickas cannot go with ballinakill i will never fathom, abbeyleix dont want them, and considering the success they have had its understandable, ratheniska/timahoe is another obvious one and has been done before, although if the pickas/timahoe amalgamation goes through you'd imagine that would include juveniles too
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 14, 2016, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 14, 2016, 08:16:07 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
It would and given our existing player base,probably some from Stradbally/Timahoe also

Jaysus! Never mind playing in 'A'- I think there should be immediate calls for a split into North Clonad and South Clonad*!

*I'm sure both teams will sport green jerseys with a yellow sash!
Can't forget The Heath as well
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on November 14, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
joining more and more together to form a stronger outfit is no long term solution, you may get short term gains at the cost of longer term existence. You can see many fringe underage players giving up  the game and an already decreasing pool of club players due to amalgams become even smaller.

I would like to ask a serious question....and this is not a criticism rather a clear fact....

take clonad, shanahoe, colt.....add in park, ballyfin, trumera and mountrath....all hurling areas in the central plains of laois.......in the last 25 years, how many regular starters have these clubs supplied to the county senior hurling team?
by my estimate, only Andy Bergin(when with Clonad), could fit that category.........which is a dreadful statistic.

why?.....is the club structures not working?  is the coaching dreadful, 25 years of failure is an indictment?

a small county like laois cannot afford to have a large portion of its hurling area being barren producers for the county.....why in 25 years has nothing changed?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Downtheroad on November 15, 2016, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on November 14, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
joining more and more together to form a stronger outfit is no long term solution, you may get short term gains at the cost of longer term existence. You can see many fringe underage players giving up  the game and an already decreasing pool of club players due to amalgams become even smaller.

I would like to ask a serious question....and this is not a criticism rather a clear fact....

take clonad, shanahoe, colt.....add in park, ballyfin, trumera and mountrath....all hurling areas in the central plains of laois.......in the last 25 years, how many regular starters have these clubs supplied to the county senior hurling team?
by my estimate, only Andy Bergin(when with Clonad), could fit that category.........which is a dreadful statistic.

why?.....is the club structures not working?  is the coaching dreadful, 25 years of failure is an indictment?

a small county like laois cannot afford to have a large portion of its hurling area being barren producers for the county.....why in 25 years has nothing changed?
Most of the club's above have a shocking "B" mentality which means that chaps haven't played the right standard from the outset. The result is that they never catch up. It's not a coincidence that none of the above  named clubs are playing in the main Senior championship.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 15, 2016, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Downtheroad on November 15, 2016, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on November 14, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
joining more and more together to form a stronger outfit is no long term solution, you may get short term gains at the cost of longer term existence. You can see many fringe underage players giving up  the game and an already decreasing pool of club players due to amalgams become even smaller.

I would like to ask a serious question....and this is not a criticism rather a clear fact....

take clonad, shanahoe, colt.....add in park, ballyfin, trumera and mountrath....all hurling areas in the central plains of laois.......in the last 25 years, how many regular starters have these clubs supplied to the county senior hurling team?
by my estimate, only Andy Bergin(when with Clonad), could fit that category.........which is a dreadful statistic.

why?.....is the club structures not working?  is the coaching dreadful, 25 years of failure is an indictment?

a small county like laois cannot afford to have a large portion of its hurling area being barren producers for the county.....why in 25 years has nothing changed?
Most of the club's above have a shocking "B" mentality which means that chaps haven't played the right standard from the outset. The result is that they never catch up. It's not a coincidence that none of the above  named clubs are playing in the main Senior championship.
You're pretty harsh on Ballyfin who have at least graced the senior and continue to challenge for it. They've also had a few senior hurlers in recent years.  Quite a few named are dual clubs, and I would suggest there's only about 4 Clubs in Laois who have been senior dual at the same time in the past 30 years and two of them are mentioned above.

Still, this Raheen amalgamation seems extreme and could be very difficult to govern. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 15, 2016, 12:35:05 PM
B hurling has where Clonad is now along with another few reasons. The amalgamation with Raheen is aimed at putting teams in A competition all the way through. That is the vision anyways. At least with Raheen there will be less distractions with football and hurling will take precedence (we hope).

[/quote] Still, this Raheen amalgamation seems extreme and could be very difficult to govern. Time will tell. [/quote]
We all want the same thing; to have lads hurling at highest level possible.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 15, 2016, 01:53:20 PM
A noble ambition, and best of luck to all involved.

4 adult clubs looking to feed off the same juvenile set up just seems very ambitious and wide open to seepage. Portlaoise can afford to lose plenty off each team, but 4 clubs need practically every single hurler to come through and hurl at adult level. Its well and good saying the amalgamation wants to hurl at 'A' level, but it will also need to provide hurling at 'B' grades also to ensure that each club picks up a few hurlers each year.

Its a huge undertaking.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 15, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
The aspiration is to hurl at the highest level in the amalgamation,that said there is an awareness that every chap regardless of ability needs to be brought along.
There is nothing to stop us entering more than 1 team in each underage grade.We did this before now in our amalgamation with Ratheniska.

And who's to say in time there will be 4 adult club  teams if this is is successful,maybe a strong Raheen parish team in junior/intermediate/senior might be a runner......in time.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 15, 2016, 02:09:57 PM
Nothing to stop it? Its vital that they do it surely or at least try? In that catchment area, there would have to be enough for two teams you'd imagine, especially if it could be done between Clonad and Ratheniska as you said. I don't remember them fielding 2 teams though, can anyone confirm?

Huge to think that the 4 clubs are countenancing joining entirely at adult level as well, that would be massive.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on November 15, 2016, 02:21:52 PM
I didn't say that they were even considering this at senior level,I said maybe in time it might be a possibility.

We put out 2 u12 hurling teams with Ratheniska up until 2016.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on November 15, 2016, 02:36:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 15, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
The aspiration is to hurl at the highest level in the amalgamation,that said there is an awareness that every chap regardless of ability needs to be brought along.
There is nothing to stop us entering more than 1 team in each underage grade.We did this before now in our amalgamation with Ratheniska.

And who's to say in time there will be 4 adult club  teams if this is is successful,maybe a strong Raheen parish team in junior/intermediate/senior might be a runner......in time.

It's a debate being had all over the country, let alone the county. Cater for the weak lads or cater for the strong?

The argument is that weak lads at 12 could be county players at minor is valid. Putting in two teams is the sensible approach, which Portlaoise and Ballyroan Abbey do at U12 and even U14.

Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Helix on November 15, 2016, 03:38:19 PM
The Heath will always be affiliated with clonad. The tie there will remain.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on November 15, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 15, 2016, 03:38:19 PM
The Heath will always be affiliated with clonad. The tie there will remain.
Which is nice and traditional of course, but again, will lead to the other issue raising its head further down the line once more. It'd be nice to imagine a hurling club in that area with purely hurling aims, it'd be a great boost to the county. As you said earlier

Quotethe big problem is with training that with football commitments it was quite hard to get players more than once a week. You're left behind fairly quickly with only one session. At least with Raheen ( more hurling orientated like ourselves, becomes more likely).

Does it make sense to pursue Timahoe then?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 15, 2016, 11:46:52 PM
Anyone have a quick summary of who is joining up/planned to join up across grades and are groups?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
Sorry for dragging up this old thread. Nearest one to what I think is relevant.

Saw this result last night;

Midlands Park Hotel Under 13 C Football Championship Group A Round 1
The Rock 0-0 Spink 10-20

Now, what on earth is this game supposed to be doing for football in either Spink or The Rock? Surely they should not be in the same competition. Either Spink should be B or The Rock should be joined up with some other club or clubs.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on July 24, 2018, 11:06:43 AM
Credit to Spink for their work at underage level on their own, there was f**k all there for too long.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on July 24, 2018, 11:06:43 AM
Credit to Spink for their work at underage level on their own, there was f**k all there for too long.
They wont be on their own at underage football for too much longer
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 11:45:59 AM
on another note,Portarlington u15's gone in with us for the duration of the Championship.

They have a couple of very committed hurling men over there and are making good progress at both u11 and u13.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on July 24, 2018, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 11:45:59 AM
on another note,Portarlington u15's gone in with us for the duration of the Championship.

They have a couple of very committed hurling men over there and are making good progress at both u11 and u13.
Who is us?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.

Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: blueandwhite1 on July 24, 2018, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
Midlands Park Hotel Under 13 C Football Championship Group A Round 1
The Rock 0-0 Spink 10-20

This got me thinking - what is the biggest margin on record that people can recall in a match? 50 points in the match above is some going.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on July 24, 2018, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?
Rocket Propelled Grenades
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 24, 2018, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?

Guessing Ratheniska Parish Gaels
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: burdizzo on July 24, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?

Raheen Parish Gaels =Clonad, Shanahoe, Colt, and Ballypickas.
Port/ St.Paul's got to u13 league final, and have a good, strong team. Unfortunately, the football club doesn't do much to encourage them.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 05:30:16 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on July 24, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?

Raheen Parish Gaels =Clonad, Shanahoe, Colt, and Ballypickas.
Port/ St.Paul's got to u13 league final, and have a good, strong team. Unfortunately, the football club doesn't do much to encourage them.

That would be an understatement,the hurling side of the club are looking to put a ball wall in place and it was shot down
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: redsetanta on July 24, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
Maybe Raheen parish gaels
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on July 24, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 05:30:16 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on July 24, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?

Raheen Parish Gaels =Clonad, Shanahoe, Colt, and Ballypickas.
Port/ St.Paul's got to u13 league final, and have a good, strong team. Unfortunately, the football club doesn't do much to encourage them.

That would be an understatement,the hurling side of the club are looking to put a ball wall in place and it was shot down
With Rocket Propelled Grenades?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: burdizzo on July 24, 2018, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on July 24, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 05:30:16 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on July 24, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 24, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Jd on July 24, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Spink have ballinakill with them too. A good example of hurling only and football only teams working together. Probably should be in div 2 as most of their players are up to 13. Div 3 is for weaker non amalgamation teams or second teams.  Port and st Paul's hurlers going in with Clonad makes sense as they are primarily football and are struggling for numbers at hurling. But will young footballers go the opposite way or what way does that work
Most of the RPG lads who play football are kicking ball with the Heath,Portarlington/Pauls had entered a team at u15 for the league,they didn't have the numbers and came in with us for the u15 championship,it's on a once off basis at the minute to be reviewed next year.
Who are RPG?

Raheen Parish Gaels =Clonad, Shanahoe, Colt, and Ballypickas.
Port/ St.Paul's got to u13 league final, and have a good, strong team. Unfortunately, the football club doesn't do much to encourage them.

That would be an understatement,the hurling side of the club are looking to put a ball wall in place and it was shot down
With Rocket Propelled Grenades?

Boom boom!
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Heshs Umpire on July 25, 2018, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on July 24, 2018, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
Midlands Park Hotel Under 13 C Football Championship Group A Round 1
The Rock 0-0 Spink 10-20

This got me thinking - what is the biggest margin on record that people can recall in a match? 50 points in the match above is some going.
I once played a hurling match - and I use the term "played" very loosely - with a team from Portarlington called Shamrocks and we got beaten 10-27 to 1-0 by Rathdowney.
Biggest cheer of the day was for our goal.😊
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 25, 2018, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on July 25, 2018, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on July 24, 2018, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
Midlands Park Hotel Under 13 C Football Championship Group A Round 1
The Rock 0-0 Spink 10-20

This got me thinking - what is the biggest margin on record that people can recall in a match? 50 points in the match above is some going.
I once played a hurling match - and I use the term "played" very loosely - with a team from Portarlington called Shamrocks and we got beaten 10-27 to 1-0 by Rathdowney.
Biggest cheer of the day was for our goal.😊

If more clubs from the football areas bothered their arse to enter teams the likes of the above wouldn't happen. Young lads will play anything. There should be an U11/13/15/17 C Football clubs only Championship.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Toomanygaels on July 26, 2018, 07:56:09 AM
Well done for saying it Eddie. It's an absolute disgrace that Mountmellick are allowed be a Gaels team in the intermediate championship.

I am not surprised that the county have let a Gaels team play in it because they have strongly promoted it over the years. It has ruined Laois football and it's unfortunately on going to become more common.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/07/26/courtwood-manager-kinsella-hits-out-at-gaels-in-intermediate/
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: burdizzo on July 26, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
Another anomaly - last night Ballyfin were allowed to play lads who'd hurled senior a few days ago, in a junior C hurling match, again because of the Gaels set-up.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on July 26, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on July 26, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
Another anomaly - last night Ballyfin were allowed to play lads who'd hurled senior a few days ago, in a junior C hurling match, again because of the Gaels set-up.
How could that happen?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 26, 2018, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 25, 2018, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on July 25, 2018, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on July 24, 2018, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 24, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
Midlands Park Hotel Under 13 C Football Championship Group A Round 1
The Rock 0-0 Spink 10-20

This got me thinking - what is the biggest margin on record that people can recall in a match? 50 points in the match above is some going.
I once played a hurling match - and I use the term "played" very loosely - with a team from Portarlington called Shamrocks and we got beaten 10-27 to 1-0 by Rathdowney.
Biggest cheer of the day was for our goal.😊

If more clubs from the football areas bothered their arse to enter teams the likes of the above wouldn't happen. Young lads will play anything. There should be an U11/13/15/17 C Football clubs only Championship.
Agreed,The Hurling Clubs don't have any issue with playing underage football,there's alway that bit more resistance the other way round.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Downtheroad on July 26, 2018, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on July 26, 2018, 07:56:09 AM
Well done for saying it Eddie. It's an absolute disgrace that Mountmellick are allowed be a Gaels team in the intermediate championship.

I am not surprised that the county have let a Gaels team play in it because they have strongly promoted it over the years. It has ruined Laois football and it's unfortunately on going to become more common.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/07/26/courtwood-manager-kinsella-hits-out-at-gaels-in-intermediate/

Laois didn't come up with this rule. It in the Official guide and was brought in a few years ago at Congress.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Toomanygaels on July 26, 2018, 02:58:07 PM
Yes but the County Board could still refuse to let them enter the championship as a Gaels team.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on July 27, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
Gaels should be left for senior teams only, having said that there shouldnt be 16 senior teams either, as regards underage football and hurling should be accessable to every child inside their own parish, laois is too small for towns like stradbally being a football only club or rathdowney being a hurling only club
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on July 27, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
laois is too small for towns like stradbally being a football only club or rathdowney being a hurling only club

Let's be honest about it, which end of the county is this a problem in?
There are very few juvenile hurlers with no access to football.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2018, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on July 27, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
laois is too small for towns like stradbally being a football only club or rathdowney being a hurling only club

Let's be honest about it, which end of the county is this a problem in?
There are very few juvenile hurlers with no access to football.
Its a lot easier to play a bit of football at juvenile level in a hurling club Than vice versa . All ya need is a big ball or 2.
You have to be really in to the hurling to get a team out. Helmets, girls, sliotars, maybe shinguards. There just isn't the will in places like Arles or Vicarstown or Killenard for hurling.
If a lad from any of these places wants to hurl, there are options. Mountmellick, Park Ratheniska, Ballypickas, Clonad etc all accomodate lads from football only clubs.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 27, 2018, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on July 27, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
laois is too small for towns like stradbally being a football only club or rathdowney being a hurling only club

Let's be honest about it, which end of the county is this a problem in?
There are very few juvenile hurlers with no access to football.
Its a lot easier to play a bit of football at juvenile level in a hurling club Than vice versa . All ya need is a big ball or 2.
You have to be really in to the hurling to get a team out. Helmets, girls, sliotars, maybe shinguards. There just isn't the will in places like Arles or Vicarstown or Killenard for hurling.
If a lad from any of these places wants to hurl, there are options. Mountmellick, Park Ratheniska, Ballypickas, Clonad etc all accomodate lads from football only clubs.

It obviously is not as easy. But I think this is a convenient excuse at times. It is not difficult to equip an under 8 and under 10 team with club owned helmets and hurls. Take it from there. I'm sure there would be support from CB if this was planned and proposed. It is not cricket or american football that is being introduced. The familiarity and the facilities are already in place. I honestly believe it is actively discouraged.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2018, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 27, 2018, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on July 27, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
laois is too small for towns like stradbally being a football only club or rathdowney being a hurling only club

Let's be honest about it, which end of the county is this a problem in?
There are very few juvenile hurlers with no access to football.
Its a lot easier to play a bit of football at juvenile level in a hurling club Than vice versa . All ya need is a big ball or 2.
You have to be really in to the hurling to get a team out. Helmets, girls, sliotars, maybe shinguards. There just isn't the will in places like Arles or Vicarstown or Killenard for hurling.
If a lad from any of these places wants to hurl, there are options. Mountmellick, Park Ratheniska, Ballypickas, Clonad etc all accomodate lads from football only clubs.

It obviously is not as easy. But I think this is a convenient excuse at times. It is not difficult to equip an under 8 and under 10 team with club owned helmets and hurls. Take it from there. I'm sure there would be support from CB if this was planned and proposed. It is not cricket or american football that is being introduced. The familiarity and the facilities are already in place. I honestly believe it is actively discouraged.
I 100% agree with your last line. People don't want hurling interfering with football in some parts of the county. But hand on heart, can you say that the reverse doesn't also apply. Lads are happy enough for young lads to play a bit of juvenile football in hurling areas but there's no interest in it at adult level. The Errill v Rathdowney final on Stephens Day shows that.
I think if the county board want to push hurling in the football only areas, they need to set up 2 clubs. One to cover Port, Emo, Courtwood, Annanough and maybe Stradbally. The other to cover Joseph's, Ballylinan parish, Killeshin and Graigue.
Although I think any young lads from The Heath or Stradbally can hurl away with Ratheniska.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: steven seagal on July 27, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
QuoteI think if the county board want to push hurling in the football only areas, they need to set up 2 clubs. One to cover Port, Emo, Courtwood, Annanough and maybe Stradbally. The other to cover Joseph's, Ballylinan parish, Killeshin and Graigue.

The second area is more or less covered by Slieve Margy, and Graigue do a small bit of hurling already.

To be honest, I'd sooner see the county board push hurling in Portlaoise first, before trying to get it going in other football areas.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2018, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: steven seagal on July 27, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
QuoteI think if the county board want to push hurling in the football only areas, they need to set up 2 clubs. One to cover Port, Emo, Courtwood, Annanough and maybe Stradbally. The other to cover Joseph's, Ballylinan parish, Killeshin and Graigue.

The second area is more or less covered by Slieve Margy, and Graigue do a small bit of hurling already.

To be honest, I'd sooner see the county board push hurling in Portlaoise first, before trying to get it going in other football areas.
Slieve Margy is almost a dead duck.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 28, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
SCFC there is a big difference.
Kids are being exposed to football and competitive football at U8/11/13/15/17 in almost all hurling clubs. That is a start. That is about 100 extra "footballers" at each age group. The odd one stands out or has the interest to progress and goes in with Development Squads.

You want to reduce this number to two clubs for hurling- 30 extra players. We need everybody playing both at U8/11/13/15.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 28, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on July 27, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
Gaels should be left for senior teams only, having said that there shouldnt be 16 senior teams either, as regards underage football and hurling should be accessable to every child inside their own parish, laois is too small for towns like stradbally being a football only club or rathdowney being a hurling only club
There's Juvenile football being played in R/E
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: independent on July 28, 2018, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 27, 2018, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: steven seagal on July 27, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
Slieve Margy is almost a dead duck.

Really? Already?
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Don Draper on July 30, 2018, 07:34:37 AM
Yea, Margo has been on its knees from the start. Never got support from anywhere and the will of those pushing it was broken early doors. 
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 30, 2018, 10:36:51 AM
Its a disgrace. Hurling and football can work very well together. Slaughtneil have proved this.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Laoiseabu on July 30, 2018, 11:12:56 AM
Rosenallis have proved  this too despite being a small club
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: independent on July 30, 2018, 11:24:17 AM
I assume with lots walkovers for their Div 5 team it's down to numbers.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: merman on July 30, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
Lads have the best of intentions but when it comes down to it a lot of them will be training hard and getting ready for football championship.
They'll find it hard to justify the risk themselves, and that's before pressure comes on from management, teammates or "supporters".
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 31, 2018, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: merman on July 30, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
Lads have the best of intentions but when it comes down to it a lot of them will be training hard and getting ready for football championship.
They'll find it hard to justify the risk themselves, and that's before pressure comes on from management, teammates or "supporters".

This doesn't apply at Under 9/11/13/15 level. If they only entered these teams and we got 3/4 extra hurlers per age group going in with Development Squads it would be a huge boost.
For example, only for the persistence of their parents, Laois Hurling would never have seen the Comerfords play minor/senior.
If the clubs won't allow/support adult teams fine. There is no reason they cant enter teams at juvenile level.
Title: Re: Under age amalgamation
Post by: clonadmad on July 31, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 31, 2018, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: merman on July 30, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
Lads have the best of intentions but when it comes down to it a lot of them will be training hard and getting ready for football championship.
They'll find it hard to justify the risk themselves, and that's before pressure comes on from management, teammates or "supporters".

This doesn't apply at Under 9/11/13/15 level. If they only entered these teams and we got 3/4 extra hurlers per age group going in with Development Squads it would be a huge boost.
For example, only for the persistence of their parents, Laois Hurling would never have seen the Comerfords play minor/senior.
If the clubs won't allow/support adult teams fine. There is no reason they cant enter teams at juvenile level.

Well said