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How far can Celtic go now in Europe?

Champions League Final
32 (32%)
Champions League Semi Final
1 (1%)
Champions League Quarter Finals
1 (1%)
Last 16
7 (7%)
Third in the group and Europa League
23 (23%)
Bottom of the group
36 (36%)

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12270 on: August 10, 2017, 01:32:10 PM »
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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12271 on: August 10, 2017, 05:57:26 PM »
Don't get me wrong,I thought the Invincibles thing was way over the top,given the modesty of the domestic opposition,and the achievement was entitled to be nothing much more than expected from a manager earning three times as much as his predecessor,and with full control over player recruitment and disposal,and in the choice of backroom staff (again Ronny enjoyed none of this). But the book does make clear his intelligence,his insistence on extremely high standards,his planning ability,and his ability to improve players,and not panic,as well as an encyclopaediac memory.All admirable qualities and worthy of credit

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12272 on: August 10, 2017, 06:03:38 PM »
Don't get me wrong,I thought the Invincibles thing was way over the top,given the modesty of the domestic opposition,and the achievement was entitled to be nothing much more than expected from a manager earning three times as much as his predecessor,and with full control over player recruitment and disposal,and in the choice of backroom staff (again Ronny enjoyed none of this). But the book does make clear his intelligence,his insistence on extremely high standards,his planning ability,and his ability to improve players,and not panic,as well as an encyclopaediac memory.All admirable qualities and worthy of credit

Modesty of opponent doesnt change the fact that it was a great achievement even on the basis of not being complacent etc
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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12273 on: August 10, 2017, 06:21:35 PM »
I think Rodgers undoubtedly has a certain smugness bordering on arrogance. He is not alone in having that, many of the top managers are the same. That said, I think he is an excellent coach and plays the game the right way. Tactically is where I think his weakness lies, which sometimes surfaces in big one off cup ties. I hope that changes this season and he can get the team into the group stages, be competitive and at least try and challenge for a Europa League spot. Just some small sign of progress in European terms. The higher the co-efficient is then the higher the seeding will be for the following season, the easier the draw becomes etc etc.   

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12274 on: August 10, 2017, 06:39:04 PM »
I think Rodgers undoubtedly has a certain smugness bordering on arrogance. He is not alone in having that, many of the top managers are the same. That said, I think he is an excellent coach and plays the game the right way. Tactically is where I think his weakness lies, which sometimes surfaces in big one off cup ties. I hope that changes this season and he can get the team into the group stages, be competitive and at least try and challenge for a Europa League spot. Just some small sign of progress in European terms. The higher the co-efficient is then the higher the seeding will be for the following season, the easier the draw becomes etc etc.

Not sure about your comments regarding his tactical weakness. Several times last year he changed tactics mid game or earlier because things weren't going well. I think he sees the game very clearly and acts quickly to remedy problems. Also think you are confusing smugness with confidence. Arrogant is not how I would describe him either, in fact I would say he is relatively modest. Mourihno is arrogant i.e. he is good, knows it and flaunts it.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12275 on: August 10, 2017, 09:42:41 PM »
To succeed at that level,you have to have total belief in yourself.Big Jock had it,the book makes it clear Rodgers has it.It is another admirable quality.But I don't think either were/are arrogant.I'm sure they both have/had sleepless nights,and felt extreme pressure.

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« Reply #12276 on: August 11, 2017, 09:46:12 AM »
I think Rodgers undoubtedly has a certain smugness bordering on arrogance. He is not alone in having that, many of the top managers are the same. That said, I think he is an excellent coach and plays the game the right way. Tactically is where I think his weakness lies, which sometimes surfaces in big one off cup ties. I hope that changes this season and he can get the team into the group stages, be competitive and at least try and challenge for a Europa League spot. Just some small sign of progress in European terms. The higher the co-efficient is then the higher the seeding will be for the following season, the easier the draw becomes etc etc.

Not sure about your comments regarding his tactical weakness. Several times last year he changed tactics mid game or earlier because things weren't going well. I think he sees the game very clearly and acts quickly to remedy problems. Also think you are confusing smugness with confidence. Arrogant is not how I would describe him either, in fact I would say he is relatively modest. Mourihno is arrogant i.e. he is good, knows it and flaunts it.

Relatively modest? No, I'm not having that. I do agree though that the top managers need to have an absolute belief in their own ability otherwise they wouldn't be in the job for too long. Rodgers had a very poor European record when with Liverpool and whilst I thought he had a good European campaign last year with Celtic (Barca 7-0 defeat apart), I still think that he has a weakness in these big games in trying to go toe to toe with superior opponents when it would be more prudent to sit back knowing that he isn't playing the same SPL cannon fodder that he comes up against most weeks. I would love to see this change this season if they can get into the group stages and collect 7/8 points and outperform their probable 4th seeding. He has more experience this season and I think he needs to put more of a focus on the European games rather than the SPL.   

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12277 on: August 11, 2017, 12:53:22 PM »
In Europe any Celtic manager is on a hiding to nothing, fans expect La Liga performances from SPL players...unrealistic.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12278 on: August 11, 2017, 01:05:29 PM »
The fans are realistic.They don't expect to win the Champions League (though they didn't expect to win it in 1967 either).However they do expect their team to be competitive and not humiliated by any opposition.I think with the current set up,the majority of fans would be satisfied with a third place group finish,second place and last 16 would be a welcome bonus.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12279 on: August 11, 2017, 01:11:25 PM »
In Europe any Celtic manager is on a hiding to nothing, fans expect La Liga performances from SPL players...unrealistic.

I actually think most fans are fairly realistic. If they can get into the group stages each year then that is more than acceptable. It gives the chance to play 6 games against top European sides and as long as the games are competitive and they can produce a few big results then that is enough. Anything above that is a bonus.

Coutinho is a player that Rodgers bought for 8m and who is now on the verge of a 90m+ deal to Barca so there is nothing wrong with his ability to spot a player. 

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12280 on: August 11, 2017, 01:23:51 PM »
The fans are realistic.They don't expect to win the Champions League (though they didn't expect to win it in 1967 either).However they do expect their team to be competitive and not humiliated by any opposition.I think with the current set up,the majority of fans would be satisfied with a third place group finish,second place and last 16 would be a welcome bonus.

Why is it you thdon't no we should be competitive against teams with more resources than us but completely discount the ability of other Scottish teams to be competitive against us

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12281 on: August 11, 2017, 01:35:18 PM »
The fans are realistic.They don't expect to win the Champions League (though they didn't expect to win it in 1967 either).However they do expect their team to be competitive and not humiliated by any opposition.I think with the current set up,the majority of fans would be satisfied with a third place group finish,second place and last 16 would be a welcome bonus.

Easier to win it then as it was knockout games with less games also?
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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12282 on: August 11, 2017, 04:31:51 PM »
The fans are realistic.They don't expect to win the Champions League (though they didn't expect to win it in 1967 either).However they do expect their team to be competitive and not humiliated by any opposition.I think with the current set up,the majority of fans would be satisfied with a third place group finish,second place and last 16 would be a welcome bonus.

Third place at least means competitive games after Christmas. The boredom will set in this season, As going the season undefeated has been done and to done it again would have less gloss. So a few rounds of Europa League would be welcome.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12283 on: August 11, 2017, 07:38:45 PM »
I think Rodgers undoubtedly has a certain smugness bordering on arrogance. He is not alone in having that, many of the top managers are the same. That said, I think he is an excellent coach and plays the game the right way. Tactically is where I think his weakness lies, which sometimes surfaces in big one off cup ties. I hope that changes this season and he can get the team into the group stages, be competitive and at least try and challenge for a Europa League spot. Just some small sign of progress in European terms. The higher the co-efficient is then the higher the seeding will be for the following season, the easier the draw becomes etc etc.


Not sure about your comments regarding his tactical weakness. Several times last year he changed tactics mid game or earlier because things weren't going well. I think he sees the game very clearly and acts quickly to remedy problems. Also think you are confusing smugness with confidence. Arrogant is not how I would describe him either, in fact I would say he is relatively modest. Mourihno is arrogant i.e. he is good, knows it and flaunts it.

Relatively modest? No, I'm not having that. I do agree though that the top managers need to have an absolute belief in their own ability otherwise they wouldn't be in the job for too long. Rodgers had a very poor European record when with Liverpool and whilst I thought he had a good European campaign last year with Celtic (Barca 7-0 defeat apart), I still think that he has a weakness in these big games in trying to go toe to toe with superior opponents when it would be more prudent to sit back knowing that he isn't playing the same SPL cannon fodder that he comes up against most weeks. I would love to see this change this season if they can get into the group stages and collect 7/8 points and outperform their probable 4th seeding. He has more experience this season and I think he needs to put more of a focus on the European games rather than the SPL.   

Agree to disagree on arrogance, smugness comment.
BR is trying to build for the future. Blood and snotters will get you the odd result like NL got against Barcelona. What we want as fans is constant performances, not one offs. If we start now and instill a way to play, as has already begun to be implemented, then that augurs well for the future. We want a team who can at least begin to match the technical ability of the better teams. We will never win the CL but qualifying from the groups or a decent run in the EL would be a start.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #12284 on: August 11, 2017, 10:32:31 PM »
Got the win tonight without playing that well, probably one eye on Wednesday's crucial qualifier, Bitton was lucky not to concede a penalty late on, I think he's dodgy enough at the back but seems like he's gonna be playing there until the injuries clear up, need to sort Armstrong's situation as well, not up to it at the minute.