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So, again those who need it most are left bereft of community leadership. No difference if you are nominally Catholic or Protestant.

Could the SDLP fill that void?

Don't think loyalist youth would have much truck with them.

Neither do the Nationalist youth and therein lies their problem.

But taking post above, neither groups of youth involved in this bonfire building are taking heed of anyone.

So, again those who need it most are left bereft of community leadership. No difference if you are nominally Catholic or Protestant.

Could the SDLP fill that void?

Don't think loyalist youth would have much truck with them.

Spraying does take a fair degree of skill and the mistakes with runners due to overspray are almost impossible to eradicate. Also the cleaning of an airless sprayer is a tedious task before you leave it back to the hirer. Don't think of buying a cheap sprayer and taking on a house.

Best to buy the paint and to pay a painter by the day to roller the whole hose white.

So, again those who need it most are left bereft of community leadership. No difference if you are nominally Catholic or Protestant.

SkyGo doesn't work abroad. Tried it the other night and it comes up with a geoblock message.

It does if you use a VPN. See my post above.

Derry arseholes, pretending to loyalists.

For building a bonfire or for being so bad at it compared to the orangemen?

From the Indo.........

It is understood, too, that some delegates in particular at the Westmeath board meeting were trenchant in their criticism of some Armagh followers, with words such as "aggressive" and "horrendous" being employed at the meeting.

Indeed, Coralstown-Kinnegad delegate Joe Keeffe stated that the abuse referee Padraig O'Sullivan received was "nothing short of scandalous".
He added: "It's an education to Westmeath fans to see the sort of abuse you can give referees and get away with it.

"It was frightening.

"There were 4,000 Armagh fans and only a thousand Westmeath supporters.

"They completely took over Cusack Park and intimidated everyone that was there."
Westmeath football committee chairman Dermot Fox suggested that some of the Armagh supporters had arrived early in the town and had visited the local hostelries. "By the time they got to the ground, they were inebriated," he claimed.

I'm going to be in Britanny North France for the Tyrone 1/4 final game which is live on Sky Sports

I see Sky have changed all their channels now so it looks like it will be on this new Sky Main Events channel.

I tried contacting a good few pubs in Quimper, the town I'm going to, to see do they have sky sports but none seem to have the SKY package but a few say they can access the internet on their tvs and watch games that way.
Just wondering does anyone know the story or would I be better bringing my own tablet and watching it through Sky Go as I do have that though I'm not sure do they let you access live TV outside of the UK & Ireland?

By the way, I had to walk around 5 or 6 different pubs in Dublin 1 area last Sat to find one with sky sports for the GAA. Looks like a lot more pubs aren't doing it any more.

I used Sky Go last weekend to watch the two matches on the iPad with hotel wifi in Hamburg.

I have taken a one month subscription with ExpressVPN and after a few tweaks to completely hide my location on the continent while using the East London server I was able to have a great connection via my Sky subscription.  I did have to work with their support team to get everything right.

PM me if you want any other info.

The issue with rape cases and the like in the north is that the police/pps are under a duty to accept the victim's side of the story automatically. I believe there is some kind of law of rule from the courts which says this. The purpose obviously is to encourage victims of such crimes to come forward.

The result though is that in most cases, the alleged perpetrators will be charged automatically and it is up to them to prove their innocence in court. Think of it this way for example. Victim reports a rape. Police haul in perpetrators for questioning. They give a completely different story stating their innocence, provide alibies etc. Police are still obliged to believe victim's story and charge the alleged perpetrators.

On the other hand say the crime is alleged theft. This time alleged perpetrators are called in for questioning and are able to provide police with alibies and otherwise prove they didn't commit the crime. Police are satisfied and do not recommend charging to PPS.

Two different standards for two very different crimes. Even allegations of rape can possible ruin a reputation or career forever but on the other hand you also have to weigh up the severity of the crime and effect on the victim.

It's not a duty or law to accept the victim's allegation as true, it is policy for the reason you have stated. The police take statements and pass to the PPS or a decision to proceed or prosecute.  Arrest of accused is police decision which gives them the right to question the accused. Charging is decided by PPS. Still the prosecutor must prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. No right to anonymity for the accused.  PPS will let such cases run for around a year while dragging accused to court postponements so that press can report it repeatedly with the jury pool being poisoned a little more each time. Just imagine a certain poster on this thread being called for jury service. Also social media poisons the pool. No one going in with an open mind.

Whats Syf smoking!!

Is this why Jackson couldn't travel to the US for the New Zealand and USA tests?

One could hope. It hold be ironic that his pending charges prevented him gonig to America but it wasn't enough for Joe to drop it from the squad. Whatever about Ulster, Joe could easily have taken the high road on this one because Jackson is expendable at the best of times.

It's so sad that the response here is a predictable defense of someone charged with rape. The Ched Evans thread was lamentable enough. Do you think anyone here doesn't have an opinion on this, guilt or innonce? Pretending you don't and you're whiter than white fools no one, least of all me. And libel, get off your play horses.

As both Jackson and Olding have already shown with BBC they are more than ready to take action to protect their reputations and hopefully they will take on the likes of you who is impugning their characters with absolutely no knowledge of the crime of which they are accused.

Any time I've saw Paddy Neilan I thought he has been a total disaster, including the league final this year.
I understand he's new and young but jeepers some of his decisions are mind boggling.

I always thought Joe McQuillan got a hard time and wasn't a bad ref but his second half display in the Ulster final was terrible and you could see again how a ref seems to give soft frees to the losing team though he gave Tyrone a few strange decisions too.

+1

Both from counties with little footballing pedigree since football began in 2000.

A lot will depend on Armagh discipline and the attitude of the referee to having a good manly game and not being influenced by previous refereeing nonsense. This will probably be the refs biggest and final inter county game of the season and will have an eye to retaining place in the so called elite panel. Not a great situation.

American sports get a lot of things right and one of them is their willingness to suspend players facing charges.. like a lot of other sports, rugby is totally backwards and will only reach a similar point in its evolution the decades to come.

They are facing charges.

They have been suspended.

They have been facing investigation for months.

No they haven't.

As happens in our jurisdiction, the matter is investigated by the PSNI who hand it over to the PPS for a decision on prosecution. After a considerable period of time, the PPS will decide that charges should be made. At this stage, the case can move to the courts where it can hang around for a long time.  The PPS will use this media publicity to bring out witnesses or even others to make similar claims to help them build a case.

Expect this to run and run with the PPS seeking adjournment after adjournment while feeding the media.. as seen with some people on this thread the presumption of innocence is soon eroded if ever there given the high profile of the accused and it doesn't take long for any jury to be poisoned be the court case begins.

It's a lot harder for the State to bring cases against rich, famous people because they surround themselves in greaseball solicitors and leak every little bit of info they can to discredit the victim. That it's even got this far should worry Mr. Jackson very much.

Joe Rice and Kevin Winters are far from 'greaseball solicitors'. They are the sort of representatives who any of us would want as representatives. Typical of you to denigrate them in your implication and total prejudice against the accused.

American sports get a lot of things right and one of them is their willingness to suspend players facing charges.. like a lot of other sports, rugby is totally backwards and will only reach a similar point in its evolution the decades to come.

They are facing charges.

They have been suspended.

They have been facing investigation for months.

No they haven't.

As happens in our jurisdiction, the matter is investigated by the PSNI who hand it over to the PPS for a decision on prosecution. After a considerable period of time, the PPS will decide that charges should be made. At this stage, the case can move to the courts where it can hang around for a long time.  The PPS will use this media publicity to bring out witnesses or even others to make similar claims to help them build a case.

Expect this to run and run with the PPS seeking adjournment after adjournment while feeding the media.. as seen with some people on this thread the presumption of innocence is soon eroded if ever there given the high profile of the accused and it doesn't take long for any jury to be poisoned be the court case begins.

It's a lot harder for the State to bring cases against rich, famous people because they surround themselves in greaseball solicitors and leak every little bit of info they can to discredit the victim. That it's even got this far should worry Mr. Jackson very much.

That maybe justice RoI but in Ni any leaking is always against the accused and the media kept fully informed.  This is well documented by others charged with similar offences and books written by the innocent.

This will be a bad time for the accused and the families of the accused.

[The PPS statement added: "As the criminal proceedings against these individuals have commenced and each has a right to a fair trial, it is extremely important that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice proceedings."]

Interesting to note that both have chosen particular solicitors.  Lodi get has gone for Joe Rice while Jackson has gone for Kevin Winters.  Both are expert in controversial cases and neither would have been thought to be the first choice for these men.  Recognition that both solicitors are at the top of their games especially when dealing with media. They have already slapped the BBC with a writ over previous reporting.

From BBC today:

Solicitor Joe Rice, representing Stuart Olding said: "I would like to point out that my client has fully co-operated with the investigation and is not on any bail conditions and is of previous good character.
"He should be allowed to uphold his right to the presumption of innocence and rejects any allegation of wrong-doing and is confident his name will be cleared through the courts."
In a similar statement, Paddy Jackson's solicitor Kevin Winters said: "He rejects the allegations completely and we're very disappointed at the PPS decision to prosecute on these particular facts."
"We say there is no basis for the decision to prosecute and we are confident that our client will be cleared of any charge."

Solicitor Joe Rice, representing Stuart Olding said: "I would like to point out that my client has fully co-operated with the investigation and is not on any bail conditions and is of previous good character.
"He should be allowed to uphold his right to the presumption of innocence and rejects any allegation of wrong-doing and is confident his name will be cleared through the courts."
In a similar statement, Paddy Jackson's solicitor Kevin Winters said: "He rejects the allegations completely and we're very disappointed at the PPS decision to prosecute on these particular facts."
"We say there is no basis for the decision to prosecute and we are confident that our client will be cleared of any charge."

It is important that everyone including those most prejudiced and outside our jurisdiction follow the advice below:

The PPS statement added: "As the criminal proceedings against these individuals have commenced and each has a right to a fair trial, it is extremely important that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice proceedings."