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General discussion / Re: On this day.
« on: Today at 02:16:19 PM »
40 years ago (1978) on this day, 17th February, the IRA killed 12 members of the Irish Collie Club and the Northern Ireland Junior Motor Cycle Club and injured another 30 using a fire bomb which incinerated them as they attended dinner dances in the La Mon House hotel.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: Today at 01:37:55 PM »
Zzzzz.They are not bad children.Just unfortunate.Children need to know from an early age that their parents are their rock and refuge and encouraged to tell their parents everything.

Except the when parents are handing their children over to a person of trust, 'in loco parentis' and when the parents are also being groomed and to an extent also abused by the person in trust which has been the case in virtually all cases of clerical abuse where the abuser has used his position in the community.  This abuse of trust is further extended within your Church to the hierarchy who have covered up the abuse not only by moving the abuser but by using their positions to prevent parents from gaining justice for their children, e.g. the Brady-Smyth case.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: Today at 11:47:17 AM »
So when does this "hold" end? When the victims grow up and smell the money? What about my experience on the periphery of this in 1978, when as a student working in a leisure centre I saw a full time work "colleague" arrested,charged,convicted and imprisoned for abusing two young brothers in the changing rooms.Do you know why this happened? Very simple.Abused young boys told their parents,who immediately told the police.Good children,good parenting,that's what it's all about,and that was in the 1970s.

So the parents of all those children abused by Barry Bennell were not good parents, the parents of those children abused by Brendan Smyth were not good parents and the parents of those children abused by Malachy Finnegan were all bad parents, incapable of good parenting.

Not sure if you have been blessed with any children of your own but the vast majority of parents do their best to look after their children to the best of their ability.  The issue with abuse by these people is that they were in positions of trust where they preyed on children.

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: Today at 09:59:42 AM »
Sort those picture sizes out!

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: Today at 05:29:08 AM »
Tony has form in condemning the victims and their parents whereas he hasn't been as vociferous in his condemnation of the Church. Brainwashed.

Not brainwashed but curious.Young primary kids being terrified yes,but a guy at grammar school well into his teens going out of his way to take phone calls from his abuser (and money of course) every Saturday and then allowing him to resume his nefarious activities on his return stretches credulity.

When I was at grammar school a lot of the teachers were ridiculed by the lads,including priests,there was a couple of science teachers,disciplinarians,that you wouldn't have messed with, but lads generally would have stood up for themselves and not allowed anyone to manipulate them

T Fearon if you are even remotely interested in trying to understand how abusers gain a hold over their victims then watch this video:
https://t.co/E3upZz47DH

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: February 15, 2018, 11:00:27 PM »
Snarlene talking to RTE again. Must be a policy so that the interview will be guaranteed  to be shown down south. Who does that suit.

It's because she refuses to speak to the BBC so the BBC uses RTE to get the video.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:56:20 PM »
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General discussion / Re: Diesel Dippers
« on: February 15, 2018, 07:56:17 PM »
The diesel dippers out in force today.  Spotted them on the Armagh-Newry road and Armagh-Portadown road.  They were pulling in commercial vehicles, larger SUVs and pickups.

It's been a while since I have seen them on the roads.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:14:28 AM »
The church is not doing enough IMO. Bishop McAreavy has a lot to answer for with regards to the Finnegan disgrace.  They need to stop being shrouded in secrecy and start throwing people under the bus so to speak.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/22/news/lurgan-priest-monsignor-hamill-resigns-after-historical-complaint-probe-1193484/

Only a few weeks ago we had this information relayed to us during mass in Lurgan.  I was stunned when we as a congregation were then asked to say a prayer for the Monsignor fs.

But that action was just that, throwing one person under the bus for show while so much abuse is left undisturbed by the Church in this diocese.

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:05:22 AM »
to be honest I'm caring less and less about the north

its funny a load of people getting worked up about a dying language that most people cannot speak or understand

I agree about the language but it has now developed from that because the DUP and UUP have fallen into the usual trap where they cannot hold themselves back in denying that over 40% of the population claim to subscribe to a non-British culture that they share with the majority of people living on the island. 

So deep have unionist politicians become ensnared in this trap that they cannot see how 'unBritish' they are behaving in denying to the people of their own region of the UK the same rights as those given to the people of Wales and Scotland in terms of indigenous language and to all people in the UK in terms of same sex marriage. Yet SF have failed to bring this hypocrisy to the UK public and politicians because it suits them to be the party of protest and they need a focus.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:56:40 AM »
Crying or being annoyed in a taxi will not convince me if something bad happened..

Questions missed for taxi driver:  How often do you pick up couples late night or early hours of the morning where one or more of them appears to be upset and or sobbing or soiled their clothing?  What stood out for you on this occasion that was different from your previous experience?

Either by very condensed reporting or weak questioning by barrister, the taxi driver appears to have gone unchallenged in witness box.
Crying in a tailgate alright won't be much use.
I have often seen young girls bawling their eyes out late at night after drinking. There are loads of reasons that could be the cause.
He broke up with me. He danced with some slut, too much gin, he rode me, he didn't ride me.

Exactly, my point, why would a barrister not ask these questions to show how common this experience was for the taxi driver collecting late night travellers.

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:22:32 AM »
Probably the best remark from a pundit last night came from David McCann who pointed out that unionist politicians had form when it came to refusing to make small concessions that would make huge differences in diffusing or improving the situation but which would be seen in hindsight as huge mistakes. 

For example, a few simple, timely concessions in late 1968 to the original Civil Rights protests and not using state force to attempt to break them would have changed history completely.  They claimed the Civil Rights movement was the IRA attempting to overthrow the state and had to be put down. We now know that only Declan Kearney believes that nonsense.

Unionist politicians always manage to revert to some bogeyman in their refusal to lose their unionist hegemony that exists purely within their own psyche.  Unionist politicians cannot move on in their own minds despite the majority of the PUL population being very far down the road from them.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:13:10 AM »
Did anyone see Nolan last night. Did we Jamie hint that Arlene was about to do a deal and was told by gwass whoots unionists that she wouldn't be?

I almost got the feeling that it might have been loyalists telling her!

You might be in the wrong thread.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:10:24 AM »
Tony has form in condemning the victims and their parents whereas he hasn't been as vociferous in his condemnation of the Church. Brainwashed.

Not brainwashed but curious.Young primary kids being terrified yes,but a guy at grammar school well into his teens going out of his way to take phone calls from his abuser (and money of course) every Saturday and then allowing him to resume his nefarious activities on his return stretches credulity.

When I was at grammar school a lot of the teachers were ridiculed by the lads,including priests,there was a couple of science teachers,disciplinarians,that you wouldn't have messed with, but lads generally would have stood up for themselves and not allowed anyone to manipulate them

My understanding from the media is that the victim whom T Fearon is attacking was not abused within St Colman's college but was an altar boy in Hilltown at the age of 10 when the abuse began by Finnegan as the local priest after he had been moved from St Colman's College by Bishop Brookes. 

Therefore, this attack on the victim, as posted above, by T Fearon has no relevance to the type of poor attitude of the 'College Boys' in Armagh toward their teachers as described by T Fearon that was well known at the time he went to that school.

From Irish News:

A MAN who was sexually abused by a priest as a child said the cleric warned it would "ruin" his life if he spoke out. Sean Faloon from Hilltown was a 10-year-old altar boy when he was first abused by Fr Malachy Finnegan.

Fr Finnegan, who died in 2002, also abused boys at St Colman's College in Newry. He taught at the school from 1973 to 1976 and was school president between 1976 and 1987. The first of 12 abuse allegations was reported to the Diocese of Dromore in 1994. The diocese has settled a claim with one of the victims.

Mr Faloon told the BBC that Fr Finnegan abused him for eight years from 1989. He said Fr Finnegan, who was never prosecuted for sexual abuse, began hugging him after Mass. "Then, at a later date that became kissing and it progressed from there over the next year or so to full sexual contact," he said. Mr Faloon said Fr Finnegan would call at his house after Mass and tell his parents he needed help to "lift boxes from the wardrobe".

"He told me if I ever came out about what was going on, or told anybody, it would ruin me for the rest of my life," he said.

The abuse against Mr Faloon came to light when, at the age of 17, he told his GP. Mr Faloon's family and police were later informed. He told the BBC he never made a formal complaint against Fr Finnegan because he felt he was "too young to deal with the hassle"."I wanted to deal with normal 17-year-old life," he said.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 15, 2018, 08:58:50 AM »
Crying or being annoyed in a taxi will not convince me if something bad happened..

Questions missed for taxi driver:  How often do you pick up couples late night or early hours of the morning where one or more of them appears to be upset and or sobbing or soiled their clothing?  What stood out for you on this occasion that was different from your previous experience?

Either by very condensed reporting or weak questioning by barrister, the taxi driver appears to have gone unchallenged in witness box.


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