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#1
Laois / Re: Underage squads 2024
March 16, 2024, 12:29:56 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on March 15, 2024, 07:24:47 PMSeeing the minor hurling squad several times this year. I think I could count 15 of the this year u16s with them .
  I experienced them against Westmeath a couple of weeks ago .

Dreadful what happened that night.
Management alot to answer for

What was "dreadful" ?
#2
Laois / Re: Schools/Colleges Hurling and football
February 10, 2024, 05:38:45 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2024, 05:02:43 PMHard luck to Heywood, beaten 2-27 to 4-15 after extra time today. Should really have won it in normal time when they were awarded a late free, but it hit the post and went wide, unfortunately. In extra time there were three Heywood lads put off, and one from Banagher. Ref. seemed hard on Heywood, but you'd have to say Banagher were the slightly better team.
Eight lads from Abbeyleix, two from The Harps, two from Ballinakill, two from Ballyragget, and one from Clonad on the starting line-up for Heywood.

The Ref was far from hard on Heywood who had 2 lads getting reds for headbutts and an injured squad player who was acting as umpire getting sent off in the first 5/6 mins of the first half of extra time and another lad getting the line in the second half of extra time.

Couple that with the sendings off of the seniors the day before and it's a common theme of Laois hurling with indiscipline costing them hugely
#3
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.

In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.

So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.

Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..

These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own

"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?

I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.

There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.

So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.


Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.

The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.

Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?

You mentioned Kilkenny, appreciate only in relation to the other post, but that's why I mentioned it, there is literally no comparison between the two in this instance, maybe other football dominant counties with teams at the very bottom of the hurling levels, even though I appreciate that there's hurling mad people in those counties, they maybe don't get the backing they should, certainly not by the GAA, judging by the recent proposal.

Yeah with very little inside knowledge of how hurling is treated in Kerry - Kerry are a fairly well-established top-half intercounty hurling county and would seem to have a healthy club hurling scene with hurling seeming to growing (albeit slowly) in the county from what I've read/heard.  Obviously hurling would be 2nd in terms of priorities but I would have said no real comparison with how Kilkenny treat football.
The Kerry hurling enclave is similar to the ones in Down and Antrim. It is too small to launch an all Ireland team. Clare and Offaly would be the next smallest in terms of hurling footprint. 

Jesus Wept

Yet another example of you not have a clue of what your talking about

the Hurling Area in Clare is bigger than the actual Size of Offaly itself

Clare would have not far off double the number of registered Hurling Players Offaly would have
#4
Laois / Re: Laois SHC 2023
September 02, 2023, 02:22:40 AM
The reality is that we have 3 top level senior teams and then a gap

We had 4 for a few years with Borris

The question is to how to make it a competitive championship so that we don't have the spectacle of dead rubbers in round 3

My suggestion

10 teams
2 groups of 5
Previous years finalists seeded and drawn into the 2 groups

4 game round robin series and take the games out of O'Moore Park

Everyone gets 2 home games

Group Winner goes to a semi final

Grouo Second plays opposite group third in 2 semifinals with the second team in each group having home advantage

Group Fourth plays opposite group fifth in 2 relegation semis ditto 4th placed teams having home advantage

Relegation final

One goes down,one comes up

It's immaterial whether you call it premier intermediate or intermediate

It's the second level and the winner plays in the provincial intermediate championship.
#5
Laois / Re: Laois SHC 2023
September 02, 2023, 02:11:49 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 01, 2023, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 31, 2023, 10:23:13 PM
Who is your 9s team?

Camross
Clough Ballacolla
Rathdowney Errill
Abbeyleix
Rosenallis
The Harps
Clonaslee
Colt Shanahoe
Mountmellick

So you'd promote Clonaslee and Mountmellick who are currently intermediate,into the senior championship over every team in the Premier Intermediate Championship?

Jesus wept
#6
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
August 27, 2023, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on August 27, 2023, 10:02:40 PM
https://x.com/laoisgaels/status/1695799683371671760?s=46&t=grubKL1RsOWb2cojdN51-Q

The second team didn't play in the Arrabawn finals in Tipperary as they didn't qualify for the semifinals at any level.

The second team played in Dublin yesterday
#7
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
August 26, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
Laois then played  in the B Cup third and fourth place playoff against Kilkenny's second team

Laois 3-08
Kilkenny 8-19

#8
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
August 26, 2023, 02:38:12 PM
Result from the Arrabawn B  Cup  Semi Final Competition played in Cappawhite this morning

This would be the third level of the competition after the A Cup and Shield

Laois first Team v the Galway third team.

Laois 0:09
Galway 5:25

https://twitter.com/tipperarybng/status/1695399645340451191

https://twitter.com/tipperarybng/status/1695420272818401427?s=20



#9
Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2023
August 13, 2023, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 02, 2023, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 02, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 02, 2023, 08:12:40 AM
Can't see it as they seem to be getting worse not better. Around 2012 or so they were beating kk and were genuine ai contenders(only for a year or so) and that was their chance I think...

Ryan O'Dwyer getting sent off in the 2013 All Ireland Semi Final was the sliding doors moment for Dublin Hurling

If he had stayed on they probably would have won and possibly won the All Ireland that year

Possibly but any team knocking on the door usually, the next year, push on.  This tells me that Dublin weren't nowhere good enough. They got close once but it's that consistency of winning Leinsters and getting to AI semi-finals is the issue.

They didn't do it then and haven't done it since.

They need a different way.

Neither Cork nor Clare pushed on either after that

Norma service resumed with kilkenny and tipp for the following few years
#10
Laois / Re: Laois Senior Football Championship 2023
August 12, 2023, 12:38:27 AM
Quote from: The PRO on August 11, 2023, 07:43:57 AM
Think Emo might beat O'Dempseys.
Portlaoise and Portarlington are certs. Killeshin might make it third time lucky v Killeen.
Graigue to edge The Heath and Joe's and BA to end a draw and go to penalties!
Would have predicted Ballyfin and Courtwood last night. It's noticeable that the dual clubs - Ballyfin, Rosenallis, Park-Ratheniska and Clonaslee are all likely to fight out the relegation battle with possibly Killeen getting dragged into it too.
It's hard to play championship every weekend in two codes with some or a lot of the same players.

Be interesting to see of the dual Clubs how many actually have dual players playing

I presume Rosenallis would have the highest playing with their first team  with park having the lowest
#11
Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2023
August 02, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 02, 2023, 08:12:40 AM
Can't see it as they seem to be getting worse not better. Around 2012 or so they were beating kk and were genuine ai contenders(only for a year or so) and that was their chance I think...

Ryan O'Dwyer getting sent off in the 2013 All Ireland Semi Final was the sliding doors moment for Dublin Hurling

If he had stayed on they probably would have won and possibly won the All Ireland that year
#12
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
July 28, 2023, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: Ogie on July 28, 2023, 03:26:41 PM
U14 Hurling Squad had one mentor with them only in Thurles last weekend,
Farcical set up too from the word go

Sweet Jesus
#13
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
July 28, 2023, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on July 27, 2023, 11:49:00 PM
Lots of waffle posted here

The results from last years Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh which I linked to,in a previous post don't lie

The results from this years Arrabawn u15 competition being played the end of August won't lie either

I have spoken to a few people in the past few days given the posts here from Hurling123 that are a lot closer to the u15's that what I would be

The difference between the u15 Hurling and Football set ups this year are night and day in terms of coaching,communication and organisation

The u15 hurlers have undoubted potential but the set up is shambolic

I witnessed it a few months back v Limerick in the CoE

I've also been in on other business and stood and watched training sessions which consisted of laps,backs and forwards and the 3 mentors chatting amongst themselves with no input or direction or coaching towards the players

If you don't believe me ,I'd ask you all to look into the u15 hurling set up and draw your own conclusions

I also am led to believe the u14 Hurling Squad is well organised.



#14
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
July 27, 2023, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 27, 2023, 09:54:25 AM
Glad to clarify.
What went up on twitter was incorrect due to games had to be changed due to the death of Dylan quirke. As I said I was there what was put up on twitter was incorrect Tipperary and Wexford were in laois team one group. Hope that clear any confusion.

Dillon Quirke died on the 5th of August last year

The Forristal and Walsh Conpetition took place on the 28th of August

Are you seriously telling us all that the Tony Forristal committee fabricated all its results,moved Laois out of the 16 team Forristal section,repeatedly put wrong results up then on social media and that no one challenged them ?

And that's even before we come to the spectators who witnessed the actual games ?


#15
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
July 27, 2023, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 27, 2023, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 26, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Reading this thread with interest as I genuinely care about the state of Laois hurling. Often I read two people disagreeing on forums and I can cobble together the gist of the overall story as people will have share a common thread on details, facts, information (without actually agreeing).
However I have NEVER seen posters post such diametrically opposite details with both adamant they are correct. Can anyone corroborate either reports of results in Tony Forristal etc. ??

The Poster made the following comment

" The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out."

You can verify whether he told the truth or not here

Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh Results 2022 results available below


https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563643591699836928?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563651881267863552?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Thanks. Some questions on the structure of the current Forristal/Walsh Tournament.

My understanding is Forristal Cup is top, Forristal Shield is next and then Sonny Walsh tier 3. Why (in the results) are Wexford 2 in the Forristal Shield but Wexford 1 in the Sonny Walsh competition? I also see a Tipp 1 and 2 in the Sonny Walsh. Theres also a Tipp 1 in the Forristal.  Are they different teams? Should it read Tipp 1 in Forr and Tipp 2+3 in Sonny Walsh.

It just makes for unclear reading.

Forristal is Top tier

And splits into Cup and Shield

Sonny Walsh is second Tier

And also splits into Cup and Shield

The numbering of Teams can be confusing all right

Tipp 1 as per your example in the Forristal os their number 1 team

Tipp 1 in the walsh is their second squad and tipp 2 is their third squad

Laois had 2 squads in the Sonny walsh

Waterford had 2 squads make Forristal semi finals