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Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best

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Re: Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best
« Reply #360 on: November 30, 2021, 10:41:57 AM »
Is this based on last season or the year 2021?
The calendar year. Lewandowski was robbed for 2020 since they cancelled it.

Then it's ridiculous. Messi has been average for the second half of the year. 1 league goal in 16 league games! But he sells shirts so that's the main thing.

Salah deserves better than 7th.

So how is the voting done? Salah is in the 3 if not higher

Journalists vote on it I think. Seems to be a similar scenario for when Giggs won POTY - more recognition of him finally winning a trophy for Argentina as opposed to being the best player in the world in 2021.

I doubt very much if very many people outside of football nerds can definitively state who was the best player over 2021. In any case even if you watched every single match, the opinion is still subjective and depends on how you view football. However plenty seem to want to offer an opinion irrespective of how many games they have actually watched.

If you are basing it purely on goalscoring statistics without viewing the actual matches, then Lewandowski is the clear winner for the last calendar year but then you have to consider a whole range of factors such as his role in the team, level of opposition, contribution to team success, general influence on matches etc. Aesthetically Lewandowski is definitely not the most exciting player since he is simply an out and out finisher whereas Messi is an all round wizard and I imagine that is probably what has been the single biggest factor in him winning the award again together with the weight often placed on international tournaments.     

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« Reply #361 on: November 30, 2021, 10:49:55 AM »
Is this based on last season or the year 2021?
The calendar year. Lewandowski was robbed for 2020 since they cancelled it.

Then it's ridiculous. Messi has been average for the second half of the year. 1 league goal in 16 league games! But he sells shirts so that's the main thing.

Salah deserves better than 7th.

So how is the voting done? Salah is in the 3 if not higher

Journalists vote on it I think. Seems to be a similar scenario for when Giggs won POTY - more recognition of him finally winning a trophy for Argentina as opposed to being the best player in the world in 2021.

I doubt very much if very many people outside of football nerds can definitively state who was the best player over 2021. In any case even if you watched every single match, the opinion is still subjective and depends on how you view football. However plenty seem to want to offer an opinion irrespective of how many games they have actually watched.

If you are basing it purely on goalscoring statistics without viewing the actual matches, then Lewandowski is the clear winner for the last calendar year but then you have to consider a whole range of factors such as his role in the team, level of opposition, contribution to team success, general influence on matches etc. Aesthetically Lewandowski is definitely not the most exciting player since he is simply an out and out finisher whereas Messi is an all round wizard and I imagine that is probably what has been the single biggest factor in him winning the award again together with the weight often placed on international tournaments.     

This will always be the case when trying to compare individual performers in a team sport. It should be viewed as no more than a novelty award - just like all-stars in GAA. It's just people's opinions. In the past few years it seems to have gained more and more column inches, and I personally don't understand why. But at least for Ballon d'Or all the best players can be assessed on a relatively equal footing, as they all play for top teams.

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Re: Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best
« Reply #362 on: November 30, 2021, 11:00:27 AM »
Would the opinions not be better from your peers than Journo's?
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Re: Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best
« Reply #363 on: November 30, 2021, 11:02:54 AM »
Is this based on last season or the year 2021?
The calendar year. Lewandowski was robbed for 2020 since they cancelled it.

Then it's ridiculous. Messi has been average for the second half of the year. 1 league goal in 16 league games! But he sells shirts so that's the main thing.

Salah deserves better than 7th.

So how is the voting done? Salah is in the 3 if not higher

Journalists vote on it I think. Seems to be a similar scenario for when Giggs won POTY - more recognition of him finally winning a trophy for Argentina as opposed to being the best player in the world in 2021.

I doubt very much if very many people outside of football nerds can definitively state who was the best player over 2021. In any case even if you watched every single match, the opinion is still subjective and depends on how you view football. However plenty seem to want to offer an opinion irrespective of how many games they have actually watched.

If you are basing it purely on goalscoring statistics without viewing the actual matches, then Lewandowski is the clear winner for the last calendar year but then you have to consider a whole range of factors such as his role in the team, level of opposition, contribution to team success, general influence on matches etc. Aesthetically Lewandowski is definitely not the most exciting player since he is simply an out and out finisher whereas Messi is an all round wizard and I imagine that is probably what has been the single biggest factor in him winning the award again together with the weight often placed on international tournaments.     

I would wager that it's the latter of your points which won him the award and the fact that he is Messi and a media darling, not the fact he was the best player in the world the last year. Watched him in the Champions League & the big games in Spain and he was nothing special, admittedly a small sample size! Salah on the other hand has been mesmerizing to watch in nearly every game he has played.

As you point out its all subjective. Maybe the impossibly high standards he has set previous is what most people are judging him against and pre-2008 this season would have been seen as a wonder season. For all that, Nedved winning it over Henry in 2003 was a laugh as was Modric 2018 so best not to take these things too seriously and judge a player on them.

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Re: Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best
« Reply #364 on: November 30, 2021, 11:20:24 AM »
This could be the last Ballon D'or Messi or Ronaldo wins. Could well be the end of an era.

Haaland/Salah/Haaland/Mbappe & Lewandowski will be the favourites outside of Messi/Ronaldo to win one.