FAI...Spring friendlies for Interim Manager - Belgium/Swiss

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seafoid

Surely the defenders can be trained to concentrate for 90 minutes.  The second performance against Scotland had no such brain farts. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

rrhf

Quote from: An Watcher on September 28, 2022, 12:42:39 PM
The thing is we do have the players to play out from the back.  That has been obvious recently and probably the main reason big Duffy didn't get a game at all.  Keep going with this project, I'm just not convinced Kenny is the right man any more
Stan Staunton might have the experience now to have a go..

Ed Ricketts

Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Stephen Kenny has to go, he's out of his depth. We need a manager who realises that in international football you have to play the cards you're dealt with regards your approach and your players. we dont have the players for playing out from the back all the time, there's a time and a place. we need someone who is going to be more pragmatic in their approach, Id love to see Chris Houghton take the job, he knows how to deal with players in the lower levels of England and knows how to get a winning formula.

We may not have the players right now for an effective brand of possession based football, but we definitely don't have the players for a return to hoofball.

Outside of the centre backs, we are tiny. Who plays the point man in a hoofball system? Obefemi, Parrott, Ogbene, Robinson, Hogan - none of those guys fit the bill. Maybe Idah, but he's perma-crocked these days.

Whether you agree or not on sticking with Kenny, it's pretty clear that we have it persist with something like his brand of football.
Doc would listen to any kind of nonsense and change it for you to a kind of wisdom.

themac_23

Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 28, 2022, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Stephen Kenny has to go, he's out of his depth. We need a manager who realises that in international football you have to play the cards you're dealt with regards your approach and your players. we dont have the players for playing out from the back all the time, there's a time and a place. we need someone who is going to be more pragmatic in their approach, Id love to see Chris Houghton take the job, he knows how to deal with players in the lower levels of England and knows how to get a winning formula.

We may not have the players right now for an effective brand of possession based football, but we definitely don't have the players for a return to hoofball.

Outside of the centre backs, we are tiny. Who plays the point man in a hoofball system? Obefemi, Parrott, Ogbene, Robinson, Hogan - none of those guys fit the bill. Maybe Idah, but he's perma-crocked these days.

Whether you agree or not on sticking with Kenny, it's pretty clear that we have it persist with something like his brand of football.

There's a difference in what we're doing now and hoofball. What we do now is try and play with possession. That's great but you have to have players who can then break the lines, that's the part we don't have. Teams will let us have the ball and drop a bit simply because they know we don't have the quality to break them down with the type of play we're doing.

Scotland have the perfect mix they play to their strengths, look at Steve Clarke, he's teams are always built from the back. Strong CB partnership RB/LB who can get forward and get balls into the box, it's not hoofball by any stretch.

There's more than 2 ways to play football

From the Bunker

Quote from: Look-Up! on September 28, 2022, 11:11:11 AM
Whatever about the game that interview was car crash stuff last night. If a team is a reflection of its leadership then never was it more apt than with that interview. Just meandering and directionless waffle. Stan took a lot of slack for his inarticulate demeanour but at least you always knew the point he was trying to get across. Kenny was just bizarre, big happy head and couldn't even finish his sentences. Was like a lad on meds.

Yes, car crash stuff! Anger tinged with relief should have been the overriding emotion from the Manager. Instead we got a manager who looked like he had just come out of Willy Wonkas Chocolate factory.

seafoid

Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 28, 2022, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Stephen Kenny has to go, he's out of his depth. We need a manager who realises that in international football you have to play the cards you're dealt with regards your approach and your players. we dont have the players for playing out from the back all the time, there's a time and a place. we need someone who is going to be more pragmatic in their approach, Id love to see Chris Houghton take the job, he knows how to deal with players in the lower levels of England and knows how to get a winning formula.

We may not have the players right now for an effective brand of possession based football, but we definitely don't have the players for a return to hoofball.

Outside of the centre backs, we are tiny. Who plays the point man in a hoofball system? Obefemi, Parrott, Ogbene, Robinson, Hogan - none of those guys fit the bill. Maybe Idah, but he's perma-crocked these days.

Whether you agree or not on sticking with Kenny, it's pretty clear that we have it persist with something like his brand of football.

There's a difference in what we're doing now and hoofball. What we do now is try and play with possession. That's great but you have to have players who can then break the lines, that's the part we don't have. Teams will let us have the ball and drop a bit simply because they know we don't have the quality to break them down with the type of play we're doing.

Scotland have the perfect mix they play to their strengths, look at Steve Clarke, he's teams are always built from the back. Strong CB partnership RB/LB who can get forward and get balls into the box, it's not hoofball by any stretch.

There's more than 2 ways to play football
Most of Scotland's players are Premier league. To get up to second in league B,
Ireland need to cut out the stupid mistakes. There was no tracking on the goal in Yerevan. The 2 Armenia goals yesterday were jammy. The peno against Scotland was unfortunate. That's  4 points .
Who is responsible for this ?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0928/1326006-middle-ground-key-in-kenny-battle-for-hearts-and-minds/

While the defence and attack has been reinvigorated under Kenny, with the blooding of the likes of Collins at the back and Obafemi and Chiedozie Ogbene up top, there's a worrying lack of depth in an Irish midfield that was already looking stale.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

weareros

Kenny has unearthed two speed merchants who can score in Obafemi and Ogbene. Don't know if Ogbene was injured but he should have tried that combo yesterday. They will trouble any team. Overall he has decent players to work with. But I don't know if he's a strong leader where players will give an arm and a leg. He has a good football philosophy and if he was still U21 manager I think we would have qualified. I think he better serves Irish football in youth setups as did Brian Kerr. But that does not necessarily translate into a good senior manager. It was like when Mark Lawrenson scored the famous goal to secure that 1-0 win away to Scotland that was instrumental in us qualifying for Euro 88 and he thought Jack Charlton would have a big hug for him and all he got was a bollocking for a mistake he made. Jack had them in high alert. You don't get that sense here.

Captain Scarlet

I am away on holidays so didn't get to see the games, so can I ask if we had an attacking plan?
Goals from corners for Egan, etc are great but I don't see us creating structured chances overall since Kenny came in.
them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

maldini

Quote from: weareros on September 28, 2022, 06:21:21 PM
Kenny has unearthed two speed merchants who can score in Obafemi and Ogbene. Don't know if Ogbene was injured but he should have tried that combo yesterday. They will trouble any team. Overall he has decent players to work with. But I don't know if he's a strong leader where players will give an arm and a leg. He has a good football philosophy and if he was still U21 manager I think we would have qualified. I think he better serves Irish football in youth setups as did Brian Kerr. But that does not necessarily translate into a good senior manager. It was like when Mark Lawrenson scored the famous goal to secure that 1-0 win away to Scotland that was instrumental in us qualifying for Euro 88 and he thought Jack Charlton would have a big hug for him and all he got was a bollocking for a mistake he made. Jack had them in high alert. You don't get that sense here.

It's mainly a championship level team
There are 3 premier league players who start on what seems to be his first choice team now and a couple who are in league 1
Not exactly a golden generation

Look-Up!

Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2022, 04:04:28 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 28, 2022, 11:11:11 AM
Whatever about the game that interview was car crash stuff last night. If a team is a reflection of its leadership then never was it more apt than with that interview. Just meandering and directionless waffle. Stan took a lot of slack for his inarticulate demeanour but at least you always knew the point he was trying to get across. Kenny was just bizarre, big happy head and couldn't even finish his sentences. Was like a lad on meds.

Yes, car crash stuff! Anger tinged with relief should have been the overriding emotion from the Manager. Instead we got a manager who looked like he had just come out of Willy Wonkas Chocolate factory.
Yes a bit of anger would have been apt. Interviewer suggested as much but he just went on some waffle that was hard to comprehend. Think the gist of it was he won't see the lads again till November so he couldn't send them away in a bad mood or something. Bizarre bizarre stuff.

Ed Ricketts

Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 28, 2022, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Stephen Kenny has to go, he's out of his depth. We need a manager who realises that in international football you have to play the cards you're dealt with regards your approach and your players. we dont have the players for playing out from the back all the time, there's a time and a place. we need someone who is going to be more pragmatic in their approach, Id love to see Chris Houghton take the job, he knows how to deal with players in the lower levels of England and knows how to get a winning formula.

We may not have the players right now for an effective brand of possession based football, but we definitely don't have the players for a return to hoofball.

Outside of the centre backs, we are tiny. Who plays the point man in a hoofball system? Obefemi, Parrott, Ogbene, Robinson, Hogan - none of those guys fit the bill. Maybe Idah, but he's perma-crocked these days.

Whether you agree or not on sticking with Kenny, it's pretty clear that we have it persist with something like his brand of football.

There's a difference in what we're doing now and hoofball. What we do now is try and play with possession. That's great but you have to have players who can then break the lines, that's the part we don't have. Teams will let us have the ball and drop a bit simply because they know we don't have the quality to break them down with the type of play we're doing.

Scotland have the perfect mix they play to their strengths, look at Steve Clarke, he's teams are always built from the back. Strong CB partnership RB/LB who can get forward and get balls into the box, it's not hoofball by any stretch.

There's more than 2 ways to play football

Scotland have FOUR full backs starting regularly in the Premier League. We have none. We can't even think about emulating them with such a talent deficit. Pretty bizarre parallel to draw. You'd be as well saying why don't we try playing like France, or Brazil maybe.

No viable alternative style has been identified here at all. Likely because there isn't one. Not an obvious one, at any rate.

What we're trying to do is probably somewhere along the correct path. High press, playing out from the back, a general emphasis on selecting players for their technical, rather than physical, attributes.

The current crop of not very good players are just not very good in the current system. And these not very good players would still be not very good in any other system. We're especially light on options for creative midfielders and for strikers - the players that might have otherwise created and scored the goals we've been missing. There's not a lot Kenny can do about this, except to wait and hope for some expedited development in the likes of Knight, Obefemi, Parrott et al.
Doc would listen to any kind of nonsense and change it for you to a kind of wisdom.

Captain Scarlet

I'll ask again. When we play from the back and it gets to Cullen... what then? What is our attacking plan?
Do we have an attacking pattern?
them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

seafoid

Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 28, 2022, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on September 28, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Stephen Kenny has to go, he's out of his depth. We need a manager who realises that in international football you have to play the cards you're dealt with regards your approach and your players. we dont have the players for playing out from the back all the time, there's a time and a place. we need someone who is going to be more pragmatic in their approach, Id love to see Chris Houghton take the job, he knows how to deal with players in the lower levels of England and knows how to get a winning formula.

We may not have the players right now for an effective brand of possession based football, but we definitely don't have the players for a return to hoofball.

Outside of the centre backs, we are tiny. Who plays the point man in a hoofball system? Obefemi, Parrott, Ogbene, Robinson, Hogan - none of those guys fit the bill. Maybe Idah, but he's perma-crocked these days.

Whether you agree or not on sticking with Kenny, it's pretty clear that we have it persist with something like his brand of football.

There's a difference in what we're doing now and hoofball. What we do now is try and play with possession. That's great but you have to have players who can then break the lines, that's the part we don't have. Teams will let us have the ball and drop a bit simply because they know we don't have the quality to break them down with the type of play we're doing.

Scotland have the perfect mix they play to their strengths, look at Steve Clarke, he's teams are always built from the back. Strong CB partnership RB/LB who can get forward and get balls into the box, it's not hoofball by any stretch.

There's more than 2 ways to play football
At least we can score goals. , The defence and up front are OK. If midfield is the main problem it should be easier to fix than having to firefight everywhere.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

GAABoardMod5

Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 09, 2022, 07:41:09 PM
Rd 1 draw for 6 October:  Scotland v Austria, Wales v Bosnia and Herzegovina, Portugal v Belgium.

Rd 1 draw for 11 October: Portugal or Belgium v Iceland, Scotland or Austria v Ireland, Switzerland v Wales or Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Update for 11 Oct:  Portugal v Iceland, Scotland v Ireland, Switzerland v Wales.

Top 2 direct to World Cup, third place team goes to play-off tournament in NZ in Feb 2023.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/1006/1327566-what-ireland-need-to-happen-to-seal-a-world-cup-ticket/