Na Gardaí

[gallsman]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

[trileacman]

Aye, the one where clearly starts lunging after the first two shots are fired!

Did they hit him? Were they warning shots? You heard the conversation between him and the guards from that video in sure as well?

The reality of the matter is that nobody knows exactly what happened yet, but you have already decided you know the full facts of it.

I don't know the full facts. I know enough (as does anyone with any semblance of rational thought) that it was dealt with in the wrong manor.

Please tell me what the right way to do this was? From what I see the guards tried a couple of options to diffuse the situation and there's a video of him clearly lunging at gardai, likely with a knife. I haven't all the facts but I can't say from first glance that the guards acted in the wrong.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

Give it couple of hours, Shinners watching Twitter likes as we speak , they will on it as soon as they see it is gathering momentum

[redzone]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

Give it couple of hours, Shinners watching Twitter likes as we speak , they will on it as soon as they see it is gathering momentum

Do us all a favour for 2021 any f**k off. All you do every day is mention sinn fein in some form another. It's got to the stage now we're as soon as you see your name you know what your posting about before you open the thread up

[sid waddell]

John Carthy had a gun and fired it six times

I would have been one of the people who thought and still thinks the Gardai had little choice but to take him down - he came out with the gun in his hands and would not put it down

And yet after that inquiry there was a public apology from the government

The incident yesterday seems like it was much more preventable than the Carthy one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_Carthy#Garda_inquiry

Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern made a public apology to the Carthy family on behalf of the Irish government. The Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, admitted that the Carthy family was entitled to a profound expression of regret from the Irish State. Garda Ombudsman Commission member, Conor Brady, accepted that the Barr report outlined "an unspeakable catalogue of personal failure by individual Gardaí" and expressed his view that it was disturbing to see some Gardaí involved in a "culture of cover up and circling the wagons".

[sid waddell]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

I myself have serious concerns about how this was handled but I think it's important that public representatives and people with a platform choose their words carefully in this situation

And they need to speak out and tell protestors to dial back a bit

Some of the stuff that has been happening in Hartstown this afternoon is not good, the Spar shop had to be shut up with customers inside because a group gathered outside, nobody in the Spar or connected with the Spar has done anything wrong whatsoever

Stuff like this isn't going to help, it's only going to ramp up confrontation

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

Give it couple of hours, Shinners watching Twitter likes as we speak , they will on it as soon as they see it is gathering momentum

Do us all a favour for 2021 any f**k off. All you do every day is mention sinn fein in some form another. It's got to the stage now we're as soon as you see your name you know what your posting about before you open the thread up

Well done read it then numpty, send me your address big balls, surprisingly to myself only 5 of my last 20 posts mention SF , I'll have to step it up next year

[gallsman]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

I myself have serious concerns about how this was handled but I think it's important that public representatives and people with a platform choose their words carefully in this situation

And they need to speak out and tell protestors to dial back a bit

Some of the stuff that has been happening in Hartstown this afternoon is not good, the Spar shop had to be shut up with customers inside because a group gathered outside, nobody in the Spar or connected with the Spar has done anything wrong whatsoever

Stuff like this isn't going to help, it's only going to ramp up confrontation

Lynn Ruane, Hazel Chu all over it. There's political capital to be made from any tragedy it appears. This could equally be happening on the right for all I know. I don't tend to see their comments retweeted much.

[Gmac]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

I myself have serious concerns about how this was handled but I think it's important that public representatives and people with a platform choose their words carefully in this situation

And they need to speak out and tell protestors to dial back a bit

Some of the stuff that has been happening in Hartstown this afternoon is not good, the Spar shop had to be shut up with customers inside because a group gathered outside, nobody in the Spar or connected with the Spar has done anything wrong whatsoever

Stuff like this isn't going to help, it's only going to ramp up confrontation

Not as enthusiastic for confrontation now Sid that it's on your doorstep .

[gallsman]

Jaysus, never mind the politicians, Buff Egan has weighed into things!

[sid waddell]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

I myself have serious concerns about how this was handled but I think it's important that public representatives and people with a platform choose their words carefully in this situation

And they need to speak out and tell protestors to dial back a bit

Some of the stuff that has been happening in Hartstown this afternoon is not good, the Spar shop had to be shut up with customers inside because a group gathered outside, nobody in the Spar or connected with the Spar has done anything wrong whatsoever

Stuff like this isn't going to help, it's only going to ramp up confrontation

Lynn Ruane, Hazel Chu all over it. There's political capital to be made from any tragedy it appears. This could equally be happening on the right for all I know. I don't tend to see their comments retweeted much.

Lynn Ruane's comments about the incident seemed pretty measured to me

But it's important that this doesn't escalate - there is an onus on people to use their platform to de-escalate tensions, you'd fear there could be trouble especially with it being New Year's Eve, we don't want something like the Gallanstown riots of 1995

Political capital is certainly being made from this on the far right and that's the most dangerous thing of all

They use any story they can find in order to incite generalised hatred against people of colour - they do it online, and have been doing so for years, they'll use anything, what they did as regards that fire in Balbriggan last summer was disgusting, it was a fire caused by an electrical fault - yet conspiracy theories were all over the internet that it had been deliberately started by an "African gang", being pushed relentlessly by the far right and gutter media outlets

And it's not just the far right, people like Buff Egan really should shut up, it's obvious he's not the brightest but he has a platform and influences people and he has not been using it responsibly at all today, pure populist shite

For a lot of young people of colour, who are online a lot, they see and hear abuse constantly online, and they hear it repeated offline, and it must be sickening to have to put up with

That's a large part of why a minority of them can react badly in situations such as this - the tragic incident yesterday serves as a reinforcement and confirmation for what they themselves experience - even if I don't think racism was a factor in the incident itself - but it's very understandable how some of them might see it that way

[sid waddell]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

I myself have serious concerns about how this was handled but I think it's important that public representatives and people with a platform choose their words carefully in this situation

And they need to speak out and tell protestors to dial back a bit

Some of the stuff that has been happening in Hartstown this afternoon is not good, the Spar shop had to be shut up with customers inside because a group gathered outside, nobody in the Spar or connected with the Spar has done anything wrong whatsoever

Stuff like this isn't going to help, it's only going to ramp up confrontation

Not as enthusiastic for confrontation now Sid that it's on your doorstep .

Bizarre comment

I have serious concerns about what happened and it was a failure on the part of police that they didn't produce a better outcome but neither is it a cut and dried case of wanton racist police brutality as happens so regularly in the US - and the context of policing in this country is very different

But obviously you would try and use pig ignorant crude reductionism in a bizarre attempt to score points, sure what's new

[Main Street]

An escaped killer animal from a zoo would be entitled to, receive more protection and more professionalism in an attempt to capture than George received, killed after being repeatedly shot at outside his home by a swarm of some heavily armed gardai, supposedly in fear of their lives, dullards with guns. 

[GiveItToTheShooters]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

Give it couple of hours, Shinners watching Twitter likes as we speak , they will on it as soon as they see it is gathering momentum

Do us all a favour for 2021 any f**k off. All you do every day is mention sinn fein in some form another. It's got to the stage now we're as soon as you see your name you know what your posting about before you open the thread up

Well done read it then numpty, send me your address big balls, surprisingly to myself only 5 of my last 20 posts mention SF , I'll have to step it up next year

Why do you want his address? Are you going to do something because he told you to F off then big balls?

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

People Before Profit are really going in heavy on this. It's almost as if they have a history of populist opportunism.

Give it couple of hours, Shinners watching Twitter likes as we speak , they will on it as soon as they see it is gathering momentum

Do us all a favour for 2021 any f**k off. All you do every day is mention sinn fein in some form another. It's got to the stage now we're as soon as you see your name you know what your posting about before you open the thread up

Well done read it then numpty, send me your address big balls, surprisingly to myself only 5 of my last 20 posts mention SF , I'll have to step it up next year

Why do you want his address? Are you going to do something because he told you to F off then big balls?

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