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Post by: stephenite on November 09, 2006, 11:14:18 PM
Might as well start this one also - still awaiting on JOM to make a decision
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: mayo51 on November 09, 2006, 11:36:54 PM
the reason that j.o.m did not take the job last year was that the c.b offered him the job but would not discuss club fixtures or team finance which eventually became huge problems for m. Moran.my guess is that this time it will be on j.o.ms terms and that the c.b will have to give him the job as they will not want anymore bad publicity after the m.m affair
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 10, 2006, 12:17:33 AM
While I hope that JOM takes it, i hope he do so for the right reason,ie, not to enhance his profile in order to gain to entry to Dail Eireann. The County Board are consistent in one thing, they will not bow to any manager regarding issues like finance and club fixtures, they have proven that in the past.
I think JOM will take it, if he was to turn it down now he woud run the risk of alienating a large swthe of potential voters, and if he takes it we then have a sitting TD who is in charge of the County senior team, I also wonder is this a healthy scenario?
I would not discount on JOM cutting a deal to take it for a year, get his seat and hand over the reins to someone like the Connelly / Holmes combo in the future
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: muppet on November 10, 2006, 01:08:59 AM
 Stíopháinigh, the right reason would be to win for personal and local glory.

I don't care if he does it for every wrong reason imaginable, just give it to him and let him win.

This site will take a bit if getting used to.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 10, 2006, 01:14:24 AM
Fair enough Muppet, tried replying to that PM but for some reason couldn't get it to send from the new office here. Am still away, and will be for a while I'd imagine. Might have a wedding in either March or July ( everyone pary for July please, might get to a championship game ) so will drop you a line close to the going home date
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: muppet on November 10, 2006, 01:18:24 AM
QuoteMight have a wedding in either March or July
Is there something we should know?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 10, 2006, 01:50:36 AM
Not me, i'd know the f**king date if it was this close. A former Mayo footballer/ panellist and All Ireland winning club captain, an old school mate, so could be either of the two recent captains from Mayo ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 10, 2006, 04:16:56 AM
I reckon JO'M will probably take the job, he's just playing the waiting game with the county board so that he gets the job on his terms rather than theirs and rightly so IMO.

As regards taking the job for the wrong reasons, I don't think O'Mahoney is the kind of fella to do that for the sake of a Dail seat; it would tarnish his reputation too much; and indeed the risk of people thinking like that might well be a reason why he might not take the job.

In terms of time available to manage the team, it should be no problem considering the Dail only sits 3 days a week and must surely get more holidays than any other job in Ireland.

If he decides against taking the position, we are left in the unfortunate position of it being mid/late November and managerless which isn't exactly ideal. The new man would also be painfully aware that he wasn't the first choice. On the other hand, the expectation level would be v low with a different manager whereas people will expect Johnno to deliver immediately.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 10, 2006, 08:16:37 AM
Phew, found the way over here. Like the new set-up.

I think the JOM deal will be sorted out fairly quickly, but it needs to be.

Somebody mentioned above a 1 year deal. Its not what we want. We need somebody committed to changing around the team, and replacing the likes of Heaney, Nallen, Brady and McDonald over the coming 2/3 years. If he is not prepared to do that I would not give him the job.

Anyway I don't think he'll have to worry about Dail business. And of course the best way for FF to sell things - the county has the football manager it wants, why jeopordise that by voting for him!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: ildanach on November 10, 2006, 10:35:48 AM
If JOM takes the job.You would imagine that this time around the county board will not be appointing one of his selectors. So anyone have any idea of who his selectors will be or who they would like to see. I would like Kieran Gallagher & Tommy Lyons (ballina)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: intoDwest on November 10, 2006, 11:30:35 AM
the sooner its done the better. before we know it the whole season will  be on again.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: cicfada on November 10, 2006, 11:53:02 AM
Mayo will finally win one if he becomes manager!Must be agony waiting for him  though!!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: venter on November 10, 2006, 12:51:15 PM
Are we allowed to start putting our ideal 15 on the board yet or do we have to wait for Johnno?

If he takes the job, he will have a few of those Ballagh lads on the squad. I think Drake, Kilcullens, Derek Moran, Andy Moran and Barry Regan will all get a shot.

Would any of ye be inviting Jimmy Nallen back next year if ye were in charge. I'd have him there anyways. Another Crossmolina addition might be Brian Benson.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 10, 2006, 01:02:57 PM
Venter I'd like to see Brian Benson given a go.

Jimmy Nallen is a legend but his best days are behind him. He still has a role to play though and I would not even contemplate dropping him completely from the squad. You never know JOM may reinvigorate him - he did help Ray Silke win an AI after all. 

Of the Ballagh contingent I would rate David Kilcullen very highly. Not sure about Drake - he' certainly no Jimmy Nallen. Barry Regan looked to have potential but he looked like a fish out of water against Laois. In fairness he was thrown in at the deep end but I don't think he has the pace for Summer football.

The first XV needs tweaking in the backs in particular. Otherwise the rest of our team is as good as we have got unless somebody puts down a marker.

Clarke

x                   x                  Higgins

Higgins          x                 Gardiner

McGarrity        Harte

Dillon          McDonald         x

Mortimer        Mortimer        x

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: DJGaliv on November 10, 2006, 01:10:42 PM
Jaysus lads, another 40,000 replies to go until O'Mahoney decides it's not for him. It would be great for Mayo to get him, but wll it solve your lack of aerial ability in your full back line.

Who'll be the first Mayoman to start a topic "Connacht final 2007 Mayo v Roscommon"?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Ryano on November 10, 2006, 01:42:19 PM
Quote from: venter on November 10, 2006, 12:51:15 PM
If he takes the job, he will have a few of those Ballagh lads on the squad. I think Drake, Kilcullens, Derek Moran, Andy Moran and Barry Regan will all get a shot.

I'm afriad you won't be getting Derek Moran. When he transferred from Western Gaels to Ballagh he was only let do so by the Ros C.B. on the condition that he could be selected for Roscommon and would not be eligable for Mayo. He played for the Roscommon Junior team against Kerry in this years All Ireland final in Ennis. Was on after the Mayo and Kerry Minor play off.

He was kicked out of the Western Gaels club and banned after he attacked his former manager during a senior chamionship game in Roscommon two years ago in Hyde park. While undoubtedly talented he is still a header with a wicked temper.......


On JOM what would be the public's reaction if Mayo were to reach an All Ireland final again and loose? Do you think he would go the same way as Maughan and Moran?? Looking in from the outside Mayo people seem to think that he will be the the final piece to the jigsaw to bring Sam back to ye. I seriously doubt it's as black and white as that and it will be very interesting to see if he is still as popular in 2/3 years time if Sam is not back in Castlebar. There will be huge pressure on him or whoever takes it on to succeed...
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: towinjustonce on November 10, 2006, 02:08:16 PM
nice new site but will take a bit o gettin used to

its looking like next week before we get JOM's answer. Hopefully he'll take it on. Would be such a shame if he says NO two years running and he might as well forget about the election if he does that
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: criostlinn on November 10, 2006, 04:25:14 PM
I hope this gets sorted soon. I think JOM needs to take the job this time. If anyone else gets it, his name is going to keep coming up when things go bad. At least if he takes it and it doesnt work out we can move on and the monkey is of the back.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 10, 2006, 04:53:59 PM
Apparently, there has been 3-4 meetings between JOM and CB. I reckon JOM is laying down the law and trying to get everything sorted before he agrees to take over.
Another possible reason for the delay is that he's still involved with St Brigids who play cross on Sun. If Cross win, expect an anouncement on Mon morning confirming JOM as the new Mayo manager ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on November 10, 2006, 05:18:03 PM
Call me negative or cynical guys but I dont think that just because JOM takes over that we will have a divine right to win an All-Ireland.
Fair enough JOM might have the know how and the managerial skills to bring us a long way. What I think we lack is the players and actual ability.

I dont honestly think we have got what it takes to win an All-Ireland in the near future. The likes of legendary players like Brady, O Neill, Nallen, McDonald and Heaney & co have all given it their best shot. These players are either in their twilight years or close to them and it remains to be seen how much they have left to give.

There is some hope as a few younger players from Ballaghdreen and Crossmolina and the U-21's might make the break soon but it will take a while before we will have them fully ready and experienced. Much work has to be done to reach the likes of Kerry as regards bodies being in physical shape and developing players mentally. I witnessed Kerry playing live twice this year in Croke Park. Against Cork I knew afterwards that they played with an intensity and physical approach that we couldn't match and I knew in my heart of hearts that we were doomed. I cant see anyone at the helm turning around things for us in a few short years. What happened in September cut the players and supporters very, very deeply.

It seems that in the past that we have depended too much on luck, faith, fate, and god himself to win an us All-Ireland. I even heard people say that we have to win soon because of the law of averages dictates it. Sadly none of the fore mentioned can bring us to the promised land, its only the players on the pitch that can do it.

And im not sure if we are good enough for a few years to come... even if JOM is manager.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 10, 2006, 05:21:52 PM
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Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 10, 2006, 05:30:21 PM
Abbey,i don't think we're that far off, 2 finals and 1 quarters in the last 3 years speak for themselves. With regards to the older players C Mac and Heaney are good for another year, Heaney to number 6(not fast enough for no 3), C MAC to no 14. Nallen,Brady and KON are vital ,possibly as bit part players and also to help development of younger players.
Its time for the younger players to really step up, the likes of Trevor Mort,Ronan Mc, Conor,P Gardiner,A Dillon etc to name a few. Dillon needs to be played at no 11.
What the players need is a manager that they truly believe can lead them to Sam. It was clearly obvious that they had little respect for MM, even though he came across as a nice fella. H=
Hopefully JOM is that type of manager the players and supporters need. We won't be found wanting in terms of preparation or tactics if JOM is in charge.

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Cnoc Mor on November 10, 2006, 08:30:25 PM
I too feel like AbbeySider. Just because O'Mahony might take the job doesn't mean we will win Sam next year. I just feel that 06 was the year this Mayo team was going to win an all-Ireland and we haven't taken it. However the u-21 victory brings some hope but we have had other u-21 victories in the 70s and 80s and won nothing with those players either.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 12, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
Quotewould you consider putting Ger Brady into CHB. He is mobile, foot passing is good, creative, strong and reads the game well. Dublin managed it with Cullen and has paid off dividends for them. He is a talented footballer.

I wouldn't go near that idea, Brady would be great against weaker teams driving forward but he would be found out for not being able to defend when he comes up against a good centre forward. Don't agree with converting defenders to forwards and vice versa at all.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Bod Mor on November 13, 2006, 04:33:34 AM
Quote from: MacDanger on November 12, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
I wouldn't go near that idea, Brady would be great against weaker teams driving forward but he would be found out for not being able to defend when he comes up against a good centre forward. Don't agree with converting defenders to forwards and vice versa at all.

I would agree with ya MacDanger, Ger Brady definitely isn't a half back. I wouldn't mind seeing how Trevor Mortimer would fair out there but he's needed in at full forward. Maybe we could look at Stephen Drake from Ballagh but its a bit early to go saying who will play where, we'll see who the new manager puts there during the league campaign anyway.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 13, 2006, 08:07:44 AM
I also agree with Mac and Bod, GB would be found wanting against a quality CHF. He's just not aggressive enough for that position. He's excellent with the ball in his hands but seems to be lazy without it or whan attempting to tackle.
I don't thing we need to convert a forward to CHB, we have a lotta options...Nalllen,Heaney,P Kelly,L O Malley to name a few
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 13, 2006, 02:19:19 PM
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Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 13, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
Well do ye reckon there will be any developments this week.

It'll either be announced at a CB meeting or a Weshtern exclusive I would guess?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
I don't know Barney, I think he (O'Mahony) will delay in telling us once again until St Brigids are knocked out.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Cllr Willie Power on November 13, 2006, 08:48:33 PM
I don't want to turn this thread into the Mayo Championship XV 2007 (plenty of time ahead lads for that, tis a long winter  ;)) but there's a few interesting opinions being expressed. Barney - no Heaney in your team? I feel he's probably going to slot in at number 6 next season although a fit Trevor Mortimer would be worth a look here as well, even though we badly need him at full forward. I wouldn't dump Nallen yet though, would be a good influence within the panel and a good man to have to bring on if needed to steady the ship. I've said it before but Paddy Navin has to be worth a look at full back, playing great stuff with UCD again this year. Why has he never got a look in before? Whoever said Ger Brady for centre back is way off the mark. One of the laziest players on the pitch, not a man to track back or throw in a tackle and wouldn't be aggressive enough for this spot. The new manager will obviously have his own ideas and I can see probably 10 or more from this years panel (including some starters) who won't be there next year. Finally, we weren't exactly blessed on the injury front this year so here's hoping for better luck next year. Anyway, like I said, this is really for another time on another thread.

As regards the next manager, best of luck to him whoever he is but he's going to have his work cut out. O'Mahony can't really stall a decision much longer now. If he does take it he's going to be under huge pressure to deliver Sam in 2007 which is ridiculous. The wounds of September will take a while to heal and I'd ask for whoever comes in to be given time. If he doesn't take it I think we'll be hard pressed to find anyone who will touch it with a barge pole - they know they're second choice, JOM will be the messiah in exile (still) and the way M&M were disposed of won't bring great confidence to any interested parties. I fear we could have a repeat of last summer where we end up with someone who wouldn't have been people's first (and more) choice to take over. There certainly wasn't much shouting on this board anyway. Here's hoping for a decision soon.....
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2006, 10:04:59 PM
"I think he (O'Mahony) will delay in telling us once again until St Brigids are knocked out."


I don't think that that is a runner....supposing Brigid's enjoy an extended run?
Wouldn't he have been better off, when first offered the job, to either decline there and then or to spell out his preconditions for accepting the position?
That way people would have respected his honesty and the focus would have shifted firmly onto the county board. Given the public clamour for his return he could have named his terms and the board would have been hard pressed to reject any of them.
The board has made it clear that he is the front runner and appears willing to meet him while he continues to put off meeting them face to face.
The excuse that he is too busy to sit down and talk the talk can't really be sustained when you consider the time he has had to spend with Connacht as well as Ballina, Ballagh and also with Brigid's.
It is fair to say that he knows the terms he needs in order to mix his football duties with his political ambitions. Couldn't he lay down his conditions and see what the board comes up with?
I know he has had troubled relations with the board in the past but hanging the officials out to dry is not very edifying either. It is beginning to look like he wants them to publicly come a-begging. If vindictiveness appears to be a reason for him delaying his decision he may very well face a backlash at the polls.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 14, 2006, 07:59:07 AM
The soundings in todays Indo are not good. JOM is delaying again. Another week to make a decision! now quotes may be from local papers last week but it is shit or get off the pot time. If he wants it let him jump at it. My feeling is that either he is putting the County Board under pressure to ensure that he gets everything he wants when negotiating. He doesn't want to be hung out to dry like MM. On the other hand maybe he wants the County Board to pull the plug and look for somebody else. He won't be the fall guy and can go on his merry way and look after his doomed election bid?

QuoteJohn O'Mahony is very much the number one choice to take over from Mickey Moran, but isn't ready to make any announcement yet.

"It will be a week to ten days before I decide. There are various issues involved and they all need to be weighed up very carefully," said O'Mahony who is busy on the political front as he cranks up his bid to be elected as a Fine Gael TD in next year's General Election.

O'Mahony finds himself in an awkward position in Mayo. He is the natural choice to take over, but has to weigh up whether it's possible to combine an intense political campaign with a demanding job as team manager in a county that is desperate for an All-Ireland win.

"There's more to managing a team than turning up for training a few nights a week and running the sideline on a Sunday. It's virtually a full-time job nowadays," he said.

He is currently involved with St Brigid's, the Roscommon champions, who qualified for a Connacht final clash with Corofin by beating Crossmolina on Sunday.

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 14, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
While it's disappointing and frustrating to hear that it will be at least a week before JOM makes a decision, I think it will turn out to be worth it.
If JOM had no intention of taking this job, I'm sure he wouldn't be dragging it out like this; he would only be damaging his reputation further.
In my opinion, he is being very cautious for good reasons. He has been burnt by our co board before and has seen how they treated M&M this year. I'd imagine he is laying down his conditions in great detail to ensure the co board can't change tack and start bitching halfway through the year.
He knows the co board want him, and are under pressure from the Mayo public to get him; so this is the perfect opportunity to get his managerial setup exactly as he wants it.
If he gets what he wants, the wait will have been well worthwhile - be patient!  :)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 14, 2006, 11:42:49 AM
The latest from the Mayo News. Worrying that we cannot get a top quality minor manager. There is no way in the wide earthly world that Ivors should get another term. He has been a disaster. No players from the County Champions on the panel last year for a start! Stephenite, do you know anything about this Murphy man that is nominated.


QuoteNo news on manager

Mike Finnerty

THE saga regarding the next manager of the Mayo senior football team seems set to rumble on for at least another week as both the Mayo GAA Board and John O'Mahony remain tight-lipped about the current state of play.
A month has now passed since Mickey Moran stepped down from the position and John O'Mahony has been mulling over the vacant post in recent weeks. However, his involvement with Ballaghaderreen in both the drawn and replayed County Finals – allied to his role as an advisor with St Brigid's of Roscommon for last Sunday's Connacht semi-final with Crossmolina – have been cited as some of the reasons why he has not yet reached a decision.
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Mayo GAA Secretary, Sean Feeney, would only confirm that O'Mahony had been offered the job and that the Board were awaiting his response. He refused to be drawn in relation to the issue of a time-frame for the situation to be resolved.
Feeney also explained that a date had not yet been finalised for the next meeting of the Mayo GAA Board. One of the reasons for this is to allow time for the Task Force Committee that was established to examine the thorny issue of club football fixtures to complete its proposals for 2007. These proposals will be unveiled to club delegates at the next board meeting.

MEANWHILE, at least four candidates have been nominated for the vacant post of Mayo minor manager. Eugene Ivers (manager of the last two years), Michael Moyles (Crossmolina), Barry Murphy (Ballina) and Ray Dempsey (Knockmore) have all been nominated with the deadline for inclusion in the race fast approaching.

ELSEWHERE, the Mayo Ladies GAA Board Chairman Bernard Comiskey has said that the process of finding the next manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team is also still ongoing.
Charlie Lambert stepped down as manager earlier this month and since then the Executive of the County Board were empowered to appoint his successor. Former manager Finbarr Egan has submitted his name for the vacancy but Comiskey was unwilling to reveal any other names in the shake-up.
"We intend to talk to a few people this week. There are a few people we want to talk to, that is the position. There will certainly be no appointment this week. There are a few people who have come forward but I'm not at liberty to give their names," he revealed.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 14, 2006, 12:22:52 PM
Michael Moyles!! ???
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: venter on November 14, 2006, 12:54:38 PM
Fair play to Cross for nominating Moylsie!

He must be the most sucessful mayo footballer of the last 50 years when you tally up all his medals. He's also got a year or two of coaching under his beltwith cross and Sligo freshers( i think). The next step would be management.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: larry buaile on November 14, 2006, 01:04:46 PM
Mixer Moyles - the man was crazy coming on the last day for Cross!

Anyway fair play to him, sheer love of the game has him moving in to management. One to watch, he could be the new John Maughan! Tanned legs etc.

I suggest to him to go for manager of the mayo ladies team, but that could be dangerous. (i can picture his training regime!)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 14, 2006, 01:05:11 PM
If Cross were to nominate anyone, i would have thought that it would be S Rochford. He has been selector for the last 2 years and it would seem natural progression.
He could then bring in Moyles under his wing as selector/coach to give him more experience
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 14, 2006, 03:19:08 PM
Whoever the new manager is will want to assess the panel available to him.Good article in the Mayo News by Edwin McGreal suggesting some options that could be looked at. Any views? Anyone missing from the list? There are a few strange choices - e.g. Tom Nallen, and a few obvious possibilities but nothing to suggest that the previous management were not utilising the talent at their disposal.

QuoteThe likely lads for Mayo

Edwin McGreal

ONE of the constant positives mentioned about the Mickey Moran regime was that everyone was given a shot. The trials held last November allowed those who wanted a showcase for their talents a suitable platform.
Those trials paved the way for Ballina's Ger Brady to have an impressive year for Mayo at centre-half forward. Ballaghaderreen's Barry Regan was brought back into the inter-county fold as well and looks like a player who is getting progressively better.
But a lot of talent can appear in 12 months. Many players who were at the trials last November have come on in leaps and bounds for their clubs this season while some of those who didn't – be it due to injury or an inability to put their name forward – may also now be in better positions.
And then, of course, there is the All-Ireland U21 team from last May. An unexpected but glorious national success has brought several more players into contention.
Outside of the 30 man Mayo championship squad from 2006, we assess 10 players whose merits are certainly worth consideration by the next Mayo manager. So, in no particular order, here are our ten to watch.

Mark Ronaldson
Shrule/Glencorrib
THE Shrule corner-forward is one some people might label as 'too small' but Ronaldson's superb form all year surely merits consideration. His movement on and off the ball is top-class and he could be an ideal man to bring on in a game that is stretched. Showed his value constantly for the Mayo U21's and is of age again this year.

Simon Cloherty
Parke
CLOHERTY never played Minor or U21 for Mayo but his form in those years wasn't far off a call-up and it has certainly increased since. Cloherty (24) is the one player Parke can never afford to be without. He has been their leading scorer now for over four years but can operate anywhere in the forward line. Strong, quick, accurate and possessing a good attitude, he is definitely deserving of a chance.
Stephen Drake
Ballaghaderreen
DRAKE was one of Ballaghaderreen's most impressive players this season and the 23 year old half-back performed superbly on Ciarán McDonald in the drawn final. His semi-final performance on Knockmore dangerman Aidan Kilcoyne was equally impressive and Drake has clearly 'muscled up' in the past few years. Played for Mayo in the All-Ireland U-21 final defeat to Armagh in 2004.

Seán Grimes
Ballinrobe
ALTHOUGH beset by injury this season, Grimes is another player very close to the mark. Extremely strong and very adept on the ball, the 26 year old is absolutely crucial to Ballinrobe's form. It may be said he lacks a burst of pace but Grimes, at club level certainly, is a player who can buy time for himself. Deserves another shot, possibly at wing-back.

Joe Keane
Crossmolina
THE Crossmolina full-forward has been one his side's most consistent performers all year with his ceaseless, yet inventive movement. Has been tried before, in 2003, and while Keane (29) is small in stature, his strength is surprising. In the form of his life and certainly worthy of another look.

Barry Kelly
Ballaghaderreen
THE rangy midfielder was so central to Ballagh's success this year. Athletic, a good fielder and a fine kicker of the ball, Kelly has plenty of good attributes. Missed out on the Mayo U-21 success this year because of college commitments but showed enough during the summer in top level club football to be worth a run-out.

Marty McNicholas
Breaffy
THE Breaffy forward (26) is one player who missed last year's trials due to injury after he tore his cruciate knee ligament last July for Mayo's qualifier against Cavan. Only returned to club action this July and there is no doubting that a good pre-season will bring him on further. His strength, scoring power and cuteness in attack could be very useful.

Mickey Mullins
Claremorris
THE roaming wing-forward is another player who would appear to be in the form of his life. His propensity in club football to get on the ball regularly makes him a key man for his club and his recent haul 1-8 (1-5 from play) against Moy Davitts in the league showed how he can find the target too.

David Prendergast
Tourmakeady
THE powerful wing-back has been one of the main reasons for Tourmak's success this year. Prendergast was a member of the Mayo U21 panel but didn't feature however he has since shown he can't have been far away. Built like his older brother Brendan, David's speedy bursts upfield mark him out from the crowd.

Ger Cafferkey
Ballina
THE Stephenites defender was hugely impressive at full-back for the Mayo Minors en route to their All-Ireland final appearance in 2005 and was also a major player for the U21s in their All-Ireland success. He is a quick full-back in the Kevin Cahill mode and many see him as the next Mayo number three. At 19, he may still be a year off senior inter-county but certainly as an exercise in development, Cafferkey's involvement next year couldn't but improve him.

Crossmolina's Tom Nallen, who is 32 next year, is a player who is also surely due another look. Tom Cunniffe (Castlebar), Conor Moran (Burrishoole), John Brogan (Knockmore), Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy), Paul Finnerty (Ballinrobe) and Alan Noone (Cill Chomain) are also players who consistently get the job done at club level and deserve a shot at the big time.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 14, 2006, 09:36:36 PM
Stephenite, do you know anything about this Murphy man that is nominated.

Do indeed, a Ballina legend, has been looking after teams in the Stephenites for manys a year now, would be a good option as he knows his football inside out. Would have played in goal for most of his career, he was the netminder for the Stephenites for the '96 County final when Pat McAneaney awarded Knockmore the County title a full week before the match was played.
He has looked after Ballina teams at all levels, and was manager of the invincibles that took 3 County Minor titles in a row a couple of years back, with players such as Pat Harte, Patrick Mchale, Martin Wynne and Stephen Hughes who have represented Mayo at some level and won All Ireland club medals

Dempsey was up for the job last season or the one before, but pulled out after several months shitein around from the County Board.

Moyles a bit young to be taking County minor teams in my opinion and while he could make it as a top class manager I'd give him a few years yet

Ivers has been there now for two years - don't know what his relationship is like with the County board at this stage, will be forever remembered for setting the world record for number of selectors on the sideline, counted about 13 of them one day ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 15, 2006, 02:11:19 AM
Someone on Mayofans.com has posted that the appointment of JOM has been ratified, with TJ KIlgannon and Tommy Lyons as selectors.
Will wait and see the confirmatuion obviously
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Bod Mor on November 15, 2006, 02:50:30 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 15, 2006, 02:11:19 AM
Someone on Mayofans.com has posted that the appointment of JOM has been ratified, with TJ KIlgannon and Tommy Lyons as selectors.
Will wait and see the confirmatuion obviously

Well if its true thats some line up, O"Mahony, Kilgallon and Lyons. I always said if we got O'Mahony as manager that would be the only good thing that could come out of the Moran and Morrison saga. Anything else would be unacceptable.
We still have to wait for confirmation but thats brightened up my day anyhow!!! fair play ;D

Someone said that even with O'Mahony in charge it could never guarantee us an all-Ireland, thats true but at least we would try knowing we had the right man in charge anyway. Thats not to say that what Moran & Morrison achieved was nothing short of exceptional.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 15, 2006, 03:28:16 AM
Would be a good line up alright. The post on mayofans wasn't exactly from an iron cast source but the poster there isn't one known for talking sh*te so probably on the mark.

Will be interesting to see how he gets on. Personally I think we need to give them time (3 years minimum) if they are to achieve the ultimate goal. It's very hard to change things like physique overnight but at least both O'Mahoney and Lyons have All-Ireland winning experience and as far as I know they're not carrying any baggage relating to any particular clubs/players.

Best of luck to them, roll on Championship '07 and to Pearse stadium.............
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 15, 2006, 07:59:58 AM
That would be a very good well respected set-up if confirmed. A big job ahead of them. Its still not two months since the AI (hard to believe I know) but still time to get down to work, clear the heads of that day and look forward again.

The term is the big question for me. A one year deal would be wrong. We don't want to be in the same position again this time next year. Whatever happens be it good or bad over the next 12 months continuity is required firstly. So I hope that clarification as to JOM's position if elected was sought.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 15, 2006, 08:18:46 AM
Power is very rarely limited to the pure exercise of brute force....Power is ...a far more complex and mysterious quality than any apparently simple manifestation of it would appear. It is as much a matter of impression, of theatre, of persuading those over whom authority is wielded to collude in their subjugation. Insofar as power is a matter of presentation, its cultural currency in antiquity (and still today) was the creation, manipulation, and display of images. In the propagation of the imperial office, at any rate, image is power.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 15, 2006, 02:05:45 PM
No word around the county today on it and i've been in ballina, kiltimagh and westport already. JOM said inthe western yesterday that he'd make a decision in another week to 10 days and he was taking this time because he didn't want to rush into it and wanted to do what was best for mayo football. Again i dont think we should slaughter him if he doesn't take it, it is a big decision for him and i think he deserves fair play, remember it was the county board who shafted him before and u cant blame him if he's wary of taking over again.
As for the mayo minors, ray dempsey has done a good job in knockmore, despite getting relegated last year but he didn't really ahve the resources and does a good job under age. As for barry murphy i dont know anything about his trainig methods but what would strike me is that he could be too nice, would he have a ruthless streak? Having said that u couldn't meet a nicer fella and if he gets it the best of luck

Glad to see '96 still rackles the stephenites  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on November 15, 2006, 02:08:30 PM
Would you not think JOM would have his mind made up on whether he wanted the job, I suspect that he is trying to gauge the public if he was or wasnt going to take the job, what the consequences politically would be for him.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 15, 2006, 02:11:58 PM
I honestly dont think he's that cynical, i think nobody wants to win an AI more than him.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 15, 2006, 02:33:14 PM
I agree with Mayo4Sam - I don't think JOM has any ulterior motives for the delay.
He should be given the time to make his decision. Remember that Kerry are still awaiting their new manager as well, but there aren't pages of discussion on that. We really need to give JOM and the co board space to get the deal done.
There seems to be huge pressure on JOM already - and he hasn't even said yes/no yet.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: ludermor on November 15, 2006, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 15, 2006, 02:05:45 PM
No word around the county today on it and i've been in ballina, kiltimagh and westport already.


What kind of carpets are ya selling? It must be windy in the hiace today
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 15, 2006, 02:41:02 PM
Quoteremember it was the county board who shafted him before and u cant blame him if he's wary of taking over again.

In fairness to the CB the story has been spun over the years the more successful Leitrim and Galway became and JOM was not as innocent in the whole thing as has been made out.

Anyway of course he should have space to make a decision but that is all fine so long as the answer is "Yes". If not we are nearly in December and must start the search for a replacement when nobody else wants the job!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 15, 2006, 03:12:25 PM
Fields of loss
Fields of hate
Fields of blood
Fields of war

Our blood upon the walls
Our team upon the floor

Langan, Flanagan, Thou should be living at this hour
Mayo hath need of thee
In our time of shadow

In the stand
From behind the goal
From purgatory we watch

With wings that cannot fly
With tounges that cannot speak
Broken backs
Broken hearts
Wings thick with tar
Our lives destroyed

We are selfish men

Prendergast, Mulderrig, Gilvarry
Rise up and return to us again

Civil wars of uncivil hearts have divided and dammed us
The old is dying and the new cannot be born
By the Bacon Factory I wept


Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: muscles magoo on November 15, 2006, 03:46:48 PM
Quote
Fields of loss
Fields of hate
Fields of blood
Fields of war

Our blood upon the walls
Our team upon the floor

Langan, Flanagan, Thou should be living at this hour
Mayo hath need of thee
In our time of shadow

In the stand
From behind the goal
From purgatory we watch

With wings that cannot fly
With tounges that cannot speak
Broken backs
Broken hearts
Wings thick with tar
Our lives destroyed

We are selfish men

Prendergast, Mulderrig, Gilvarry
Rise up and return to us again

Civil wars of uncivil hearts have divided and dammed us
The old is dying and the new cannot be born
By the Bacon Factory I wept


One of the more enlightened posts to grace the board for a while....
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 15, 2006, 03:51:06 PM
Thank you Muscles
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2006, 06:23:37 PM
I had an awful dream one of the nights that O'Mahony wouldn't take it!  :-[  Jaysus I was never as relieved to have woken up!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2006, 07:56:02 PM
QuoteI had an awful dream one of the nights that O'Mahony wouldn't take it!     Jaysus I was never as relieved to have woken up!

Well, you can sleep more easily from now on, I hope. ;D

Rumour on mayofans.com says that Johnno, along with TJ Kilgallon and Tommy Lyons (Ballina) has been appointed but there will be no announcement until details such as fixture schedules and the likes are finalised.

Now, it is a good idea to be wary of rumours and there are bound to be plenty of them in circulation but the posters on that board seem to put credence in their sources.

Maybe, just maybe, the end is finally in sight....
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 15, 2006, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 15, 2006, 02:05:45 PM
Glad to see '96 still rackles the stephenites  ;D ;D ;D

Arrah now, the '99 loss to Crossmaglen hurt a hell of a lot more, however the fact that we lost some key players off that team and went away and re-built a new one around some of the younger fellas from '99 to win the All Itreland in'05 more than compensates ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: towinjustonce on November 17, 2006, 01:33:03 AM
Fingers crossed on john O'Mahony front - the possible link up with Killgallon and Tommy Lyons is mouth watering
JOM is being given an extraordinary amount of time........so the county board must be certain that he's now going to take the position, otherwise I think they would have reacted to the delay by now and we all know there's knee-jerkers in the county board camp. Convention is on the 8th december, so hopefully it'll be all one big happy family by then.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 17, 2006, 07:59:59 AM
i'm pretty sure we'll know before the 8th of Dec who the new manager will be. It could be that JOM is waiting  to sort out his backroom team before making the announcement ie selectors,doctors, physios etc
Won't be long now - and the players need to be getting back now and hitting the gym for 2-3 months.
With regards to the FBD, i don't see the need of any 1st team players to be playing on the team, that competition should be solely for trialists or other squad members
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: the bucket on November 17, 2006, 11:26:39 AM
Jom on board, a new gym  opened in castlebar to put muscles on the boys, the county board behind the manager, god on our side and in the  team,  surely nobody cant stop us winning SAM in 2007
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 18, 2006, 11:55:15 PM
'nobody cant stop us winning SAM in 2007'

I take it from the double-negative that you're lacking in confidence there bucket?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 20, 2006, 08:13:58 AM
Tonights the night lads. JOM was on Newstalk last night and said he would be announcing his decision in the next day or two. He hasn't made up his mind though. Was talking to our club delegate though and there is a County Board meeting tonight and he tells me JOM will be appointed. Onwards and upwards hopefully.

Now I have little doubt but that the man will be professional in the way he goes about the job and this is not a political appointment. He has a huge reputation as a football manager, but none as a politician. But I hope big questions have been addressed such as what if the election is on a Friday in May, Mayo are due to play Galway on the Sunday. Intensive campaigning and training needed! The county on the day before and day of the match. It just causes trouble!!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 20, 2006, 08:54:05 AM
Will it be TJ Kilgallon and tommy lyons as his selectors.
Would have liked to have seen kieran gallagher stay on, possibly kilgallon will get him involved
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: ildanach on November 20, 2006, 10:31:25 AM
i have a feeling,the announcement will be made on wednesday.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 20, 2006, 10:52:52 AM
Whats the big deal about Weds? The Western?

Would not be suprised if it was announced tonight with a big interview in the Western on Weds.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 20, 2006, 10:55:36 AM
I reckon it will be today as well. A sports journalist from one of the local papers said it will be announced today.
Then you'll have JohnO exclusive in the Weshtern tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: the bucket on November 20, 2006, 11:05:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 18, 2006, 11:55:15 PM
'nobody cant stop us winning SAM in 2007'

I take it from the double-negative that you're lacking in confidence there bucket?

Whats a double negative (2 people from the north  :D)

surely as a mayo man you should know a lack of confidence is part of your genetic make up   
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 20, 2006, 11:33:55 AM
I heard over the weekend that David Brady is going to be the third selector instead of T.J. Kilgannon!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Blue Boy on November 20, 2006, 01:44:57 PM
Mayo to unveil O'Mahony tonight - on Setanta.com


The Mayo county board are expected to unveil John O'Mahony as their new Senior football manager at a special press briefing tonight.

Western County officials have invited members of the media to the Welcome Inn Hotel in Castlebar to provide an update on the managerial position.

Ballaghadereen clubman O'Mahony signalled, at the beginning of last week, that he wouldn't be giving the board an answer until this week.

O'Mahony, who previously managed Galway, has been the board's number one target since it ended Mickey Moran and John Morrison's term last month.

TJ Kilgallon (former Sligo mentor) and Tommy Lyons (Ballina) are believed to be in contention to take up roles as selectors under O'Mahony.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 20, 2006, 01:45:59 PM
Great stuff
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 20, 2006, 01:49:18 PM
Brilliant!!  ;D
That removes any lingering doubts. Great news for all Mayo supporters. Let's hope it's not just a 1 year agreement, that's not much use really
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 20, 2006, 01:57:15 PM
Alot of us have been critical about JOM over the past 18 months for his perceived campaigning against Maughan and failure to take the job. Enough of that. Great to have him on board and hopefully he can get the best out of the team, whether that is an AI or not I don't know.

Is the press briefing on MidWest? Time?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 20, 2006, 02:06:34 PM
I have forsaken mine house, I have left mine heritage;
I have given the dearly beloved of my soul into the hand of her enemies.
Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest;
It crieth out against me, therefore I have hated it.
Mine heritage is unto me as a speckled bird, the birds round about are against her;
Come ye, assemble all the beats of the field, come to devour

Jerimiah, Chapter 12 Verses 7-9
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 20, 2006, 05:32:54 PM
It would be great to have this experienced team to have on the sideline...I cant wait for the FBD to start!!!! ;D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: cicfada on November 20, 2006, 07:52:27 PM
Congrats Mayo ye have the man that'll bring Sam  to Mayo!!Isn't it highly ironic that he be announced just days after Michael Donnellan announced his retirement!!Connacht championship will be interesting now.I can't see  Galway really challenging Mayo for a few years yet, but it'll be interesting to see JO'M's team in action!I wonder how long he is committing to Mayo.The talent is there surely, otherwise he wouldn't have gone for it.The cynics would say he is doing it to get elected but that can't be true....can it??
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 20, 2006, 07:58:28 PM
I dont think JOM is the type to take up the Mayo job just to gat elected... It seems there always has been unfinished buisness between JOM and the Mayo football set-up. In fairness JOM has been involved in Mayo football since he left the Galway set-up. In one respect it feels a little like Roy Keane returning to the Irish team after the Mick Mc Carthy setup. Personally i am delighted,I just hope the CB will row in behind him as the Galway CB did when he took over there..............Time will tell.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: dodo on November 20, 2006, 08:04:32 PM
Fair play. At long last. We'll be well organised anyway. Main thing is for people to keep expectations with reality.

There is a good group of players there at his disposal. He will have some major restructuring to oversee. Hope he gives/gets 3 years to the job. I'm a happy man this evening.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 20, 2006, 08:32:35 PM
Christ cicfada I hope you're right. It's a good line-up alright. The Western should be interesting tomorrow. It has wiped away the pain of getting hammered in the AIF! ;D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Blue Boy on November 20, 2006, 09:05:44 PM
Mayo hand O'Mahony three-year term - courtesy of Setanta.com



John O'Mahony has been handed a three-year term as the new Mayo Senior football manager.

Western County officials revealed their man at a special media briefing on Monday night at the Welcome Inn Hotel in Castlebar.

The Ballaghadereen clubman has been the county board's number one target since it ended Mickey Moran and John Morrison's term last month.

O'Mahony previously steered Mayo to an All-Ireland final in 1989 before they lost to Cork, and now he returns to the post with further intercounty experience having managed both Galway and Leitrim.

A backroom team of Ballina's Tommy Lyons, Kieran Gallagher, a selector under the Moran reign, and former Minor manager Martin Carney have also been ratified by the Mayo county board.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: blast05 on November 20, 2006, 09:06:06 PM
Selectors to be Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher with Martin Carney onboard as an analyst.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 20, 2006, 09:08:15 PM
Martin Carney as the video analyst, Keiran Gallagher and Tommy Lyons are the Selectors...Finally we have the dream team. A new era begins....I'm delighted and full of optimisim for the next few years regarding Mayo football. YES!!!! ;D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 20, 2006, 09:23:49 PM
im sure he was talking about mayo


O wise men, riddle me this: what if the dream come true?
What if the dream come true? and if millions unborn shall dwell
In the house that I shaped in my heart, the noble house of my thought?
Lord, I have staked my soul, I have staked the lives of my kin
On the truth of Thy dreadful word. Do not remember my failures,
But remember this my faith
PHP

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 20, 2006, 09:32:07 PM
Great news. Looks like a really good set up.

There will be a lot of pressure on the team to deliver now but I hope that we can be patient and give them the time and space to get things right. With the players we have and some of the U-21s from last year there is surely the talent there to finally win Sam. Hopefully this announcement will prolong the careers of any of the older heads that were contmeplating retirement.

Best of luck to them.........Roll on 2007
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 20, 2006, 09:38:13 PM
'Tis great news altogether, BUT, let's hang onto our hats here ladies.

Around this time least year when the draw was made everyone here ( and everywhere else ) was in agreement that if we could win Connacht then an All Ireland semi final Leinster oppositon was the very least we could hope for '06, it transpired so and after the thriler in Croker against the Dubs we made the final again.

Many people seem to have lost sight of the fact that we were on the ' easier ' side of the draw last year. Moran and Morrison, conducted an indepth audit of what talent we had available in the county for the purposes of senior Inter-county football and came up with possibly two players that may not have otherwise been there.

My point is, that if the draw was different last year, and we had to meet Armagh in the quartes I doubt we would have made it through.

While the announcement of the new management team is very, very welcome, I was wondering what everyone thought of the players at their disposal? The players will now hopefully be, the best prepared and cannot be lacking in motivation, with one of the best and most knowledgeable managers/back room team available.

But do we have the players to take us over the line?

Hope to god we do, but would be interested in the views of others?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 20, 2006, 09:51:01 PM
Valid point there.

RE; players, i think we are short an enforcer type player in the full back line a bit like the role that DOB played in the All Ireland in Sept.
Also a target men is needed in the full foward line,maybe T. Mortimor could be used in this role. If Jimmy Nallen retires, that could leave a bit of a hole. A lot of ifs,buts and maybes here, i say give it until after the first couple of league games,then the picture will be alot clearer. Last year we re-ignited Kevin o Neill maybe there are one or two Kevins out there still under the radar.Finally the one thing i am confident in is that any player out who shows a bit of form and has the appetite for the work required will be given every chance and that is the legacy that M and M have left us. We are not that far from the top 3 in this country regardless of what the Ulster threads on here say!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 20, 2006, 09:57:40 PM
True, we were on the "easier" side of the draw but over the past 3 years, we have beaten Tyrone (best team in the country at the time) and Dublin (rightly or wrongly they were highly fancied) as well as Galway and Laois in the chapionship. Not to mention having beaten all of the top sides bar Armagh in the league (i know it's only the league but you still have to win the games).

So while we are a defender or two and a maybe a forward away from a complete side, i think that if the players around the middle of the park beef up a little and one or two lads come through, we can be a match for any team in the country within 3 years........i'd be confident enough to say that John O'Mahony won't leave the job as Mayo manager without having won an all-ireland
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 20, 2006, 10:02:38 PM
You're not far off their Gaeilgoir re players needed, with regards to Jimmy Nallen, I fear we need a replacement at CHB regardless of whether or not he retires. Fantastic servant and all that and a gentleman to boot but we will not win an All Ireland with him at CHB.

The one hope is that JOM has that uncanny knack that all great managers have, the ability to get top drawer performances from hitherto average footballers ( Ray Silke !! )
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 20, 2006, 10:14:13 PM
Yeah, Jimmy isnt cut out for the chb anymore, these young lads coming up are too fast for him.....I know how that feels believe me!!!!! :D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Bod Mor on November 21, 2006, 05:35:46 AM
Praise be to the lord, at last its confirmed, we have our man. Looks good that he's commited to a 3 year spell.
Now no-one should be under any illusions as to what to expect from 2007, although its going to be the last year more than likely for the likes of Heaney, McDonald and Kevin O'Neill. I reckon David Brady could be coaxed out of retirement...again and we probably need James Nallen there to mould his apprentice (whoever its going to be?) into place.
Its a relief that we have O'Mahony back as manager, it kinda heals a couple of scars from 2 months ago.
At least we can head in to the Christmas in an upbeat mood knowing we have our manager and hopefully a few all stars after Friday night too.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 21, 2006, 08:05:36 AM
Reading this thread just highlights the point that Mayo supporters are quick to dust themselves down after what ever disappointment is thrown away and look at things positively again. We take the knocks and keep coming back. And I think this is a management team that we re-invigorate the players after last September.

Now are Stephenite said the big question is have we got the players. I honestly do not know if we have XV of the quality needed. Certainly 2 or 3 backs or a must. I think from midfield and the forwards we have shown that on a dry ground we have the pace and skill to trouble 30 counties!

I think this appointment has come at the right time for JOM. Last year he spoke of not having the full support of a County Board, and that this was imperative to succeed. It was a miracle that M&M achieved so much with the constant undermining of their positions. The CB took the nuclear option and so had nowhere to go if JOM turned the job down. When you hear of Martin Carney coming in as a video/statistics analyst, and more appointments to follow you can see that he has got his way and that he will be running the show the way he wants. The greatest thing about the appointment may be that Mayo football can now be developed to a position where we can maximise the obvious talent that is being produced and become more professional in our thinking.

When does the FBD start?!!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 21, 2006, 08:08:47 AM
(http://www.castlebar.ie/photos/mdonnelly/sport/omahony/glry/shaking_on_it_tnmu6h2162.jpg)

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 21, 2006, 08:31:15 AM
You were very quick with that photo Barney
Barney aka Michael Donnelly perhaps  ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 21, 2006, 08:46:03 AM
Delighted to see Mayo getting one of the best managers in the game.
He might ruffle a few feathers in the mayo camp though.

Hope he does well

would like to see mayo win Sam
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 21, 2006, 08:47:32 AM
Great news all round about the new management set-up. The only problem is that the supporters will now place intense pressure on both the players and the management, you can hear them saying 'sure if ye don't win it now, ye never will' . But i believe that this current crop of players are very close to the mark.
I feel they're as good as whats in the country at the mo, tactics was always the problem. We played too cavalier all year esp in the final. I know thats what made us good to watch but once we were in the final, we should have played 12 men behind the ball for the first 15-20 mins, i bet that what Tyrone or Armagh would have done. If JOM was in charge, thats what we prob would have done.
It's just that Beffer and MM were obsessed with this 'Brazil philosophy' which proved to be our downfall in the end.
Anyways, a new era has started and we need to row in behind the team and not put too much pressure on them. All the senior players incl DB will prob stay on, just to get the opportunity to play under JOM, and i'm sure he'll unearth a few more players.
Bulking up is very important for this year as we're just not physical enough at the mo.
Re positions, Trev Mort will be a massive addition, move Heaney to CHB, and LOM at full back, possibly P Navin in the other corner. Other players to get a look in should be maybe the Morans from Burrishoole. Midfield is set with DB being the impact sub there and the forwards just need to bulk up
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 21, 2006, 08:49:35 AM
Lynchboy, what do you mean by ruffle a few feathers ???
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 21, 2006, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: OkeyDoke on November 21, 2006, 08:49:35 AM
Lynchboy, what do you mean by ruffle a few feathers ???

with no info to back this up, I dont think that Ciaran McDonald is the kind of player that O'Mahoney picks on his side.
Ciaran mc will have to alter his style of play to be more direct or will get dropped/walk out in a storm with blazing newspaper headlines etc
I cant see the lad sitting happily on the bench...

I could be wrong, but I just dont know if the two styles can be accomodated- and JOM is ruthless.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 21, 2006, 09:00:46 AM
You could be right, but maybe thats what Mayo need - a ruthless manager who'll take no BS. For years the management having been walking on eggshells re CMc sometimes to the detriment of the team by feeling the need to play him at no.11. He's a fantastic player but in the modern game, he sometimes holds the ball up too much. I'm all for giving him an extended run in the full forward line during the league to see how he goes
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: ildanach on November 21, 2006, 10:07:48 AM
This is the management team we were looking for. JOM was very level headed in his interview yesterday and rubbished talk of all ireland in his first year. This is exactly the approach we need. Lets not forget we got hockeyed in the all ireland with this bunch of players last year. I do feel though that JOM is a shrewder manager than mm. With the inclusion of tommy Lyons I think DB will come out of retirement. I am glad to see Kieran Gallagher stay on,the players seemed to have a good relationship with him (the hill incident and the mm walk out- he was the players confident). Carney is also an invaluable addition, i feel this is the team we need to win sam. But it may not be this year maybe next...  The main thing is that this is a defining moment in mayo football
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 10:30:27 AM
Quote
...a ruthless manager...
...ruffle a few feathers...

One thing we can be guaranteed is that there will be a huge shake up and clear out in the current panel.
Im not talking about David Brady or Kevin O Neill; John O Mahoney has said in recent months that he thinks that these players still have a lot to offer. What will be cleared out is some of the 'panel players' that have been holding on for the past few years. We all know there are some very weak players on the bench, (without naming and shaming them), and they can wave good bye under JOM.

One thing JOM can already take credit for is that he is always up to date on the current club players doing well. He has always taken a keen interest in mayo club matters and will have his own ideas as to who should get a chance. And because of his involvement with Ballaghaderreen I can see him bring some of those players into the panel. And rightly so. They really stepped up to the mark in the first drawn game against Cross.

Having Martin Carney as an analyst is a master stroke. Nearly every Friday during the year I listened to himself and Ray - WorstPlayerEverToWinAnAllIreland - Silke on today FMs 'Last word in Sport'. What he has proved is that he is a master at weighing up the opposition and knowing other teams. This will prove vital to expose other teams like we were exposed in September, and provide grounds for a game plan which we lacked in the AIF.

As regards Kieran Gallagher; I have spoken to a few lads who trained under him and Eugene Ivers in the Mayo Minor set-up a few short years ago. They didnt really rate him as a tactician, but he often took training and ran them into the ground. They called him The Grinder. Not being too hard on the man, bit I have said it before that I think that the County Board have him in place to gain experience so he will be an option as a manager in the future. Its no harm and he obviously has a lot to offer if he is still there this year.

Tommy Lyons is the last piece of the jigsaw. A Mayo player remarked to me last week that he thought Lyons was defiantly going to be on JOMs management team so it was expected. No complaints there either, the man has a good of record as any.

I still think that we will go a long way under JOM. But im not sure do we have the caliber of players to cross that line and win an AIF. JOM wont leave a stone unturned so there is hope. But im not getting carried away this time.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: highorlow on November 21, 2006, 10:52:25 AM
QuoteI still think that we will go a long way under JOM. But im not sure do we have the caliber of players to cross that line and win an AIF.

We have the players alright. Its playing the right players in the right place at the right time that counts. 2 AIF's in the last 3 years proves that we are right up there with the elite. We also have an u21 title in the bag and a clun All Ireland 2 years ago. IMO players in our County were never the problem.

Congrats to Johnno for getting the job on his terms. We wish him luck for the next 3 years. This gives us a fresh impetious and a huge boost to go on and win SAM next year, i have no doubt about it. We are a team still on an upward curve whereas some of the "Big3" are on the way down.

As one poster stated earlier if a JOM team went out and played Kerry in an AIF there would be 12 men behind the ball - that sums it up. Carney is also a major boost. He managed most of the older stalwarts on the panel at u21 level. Tommy Lyons is also a winner. This management team are winners, we will be drinking melted snow out of Sam next Christmass in Castlebar.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 21, 2006, 11:34:02 AM
Lads delighted to see JOM in place (at last)
And yes the expectation will be thru the roof but i think we need to give this the full 3 years to come to fruitition.
As regards new players, I expect the 2 kilcullen to be on the panel and one of them and howley to be contesting for the No. 6 jersey
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: hows she cutting on November 21, 2006, 11:47:34 AM
good luck to JOM and Mayo

would be delighted to see them land Sam at last
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 21, 2006, 12:02:55 PM
QuoteOne thing we can be guaranteed is that there will be a huge shake up and clear out in the current panel.

I would be shocked if that is what happens in the short-term. JOM is noted as a great players man. He will not be a hatchet man. everyone will get a chance and then the hard decisions will be made on how they perform in training, and in the FBD.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 21, 2006, 12:38:41 PM
I agree Barney, if there are two or three changes to the Mayo fifteen next year that will be about all. Regardless of pepole say the best 30 odd players in Mayo bar one or two are already in the panel.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 01:53:45 PM
Well Barney and An Gaeilgoir we will agree to differ.  :P

In case im being mis-interpreted, I mean that a few of our 'panel players' will be given the heave-ho.
I dont think that there will be too many changes to the starting 15 but they could be moved around a bit,
but I dont think James Nallen will get a start in next years championship.

Anyway no offence to the players but to 'trim the fat' I think JOM will have little time for....
John Healy, Pat Kelly, Trevor Howley, James Gill, Stephen Carolan, C Lyons

The above will be making room for new blood in the panel; some of the aforementioned players in this topic.
JOM will also be looking for a full back (should he decide to play Heaney at centre back) or he will be looking for a centre back (should he decide to leave Heaney where he is) to replace Nallen.

Perhaps Stephen Drake or the David Kilcullen will be the young prodigy?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: muscles magoo on November 21, 2006, 02:50:52 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 01:53:45 PM
Anyway no offence to the players but to 'trim the fat' I think JOM will have little time for....
John Healy, Pat Kelly, Trevor Howley, James Gill, Stephen Carolan, C Lyons

Bit harsh on Colum Lyons. Of that bunch he is the only one who hasn't seen any league or championship action as yet for Mayo and has been in super form for Breaffy over the past couple of seasons. He is well worth a look in the FBD/National League.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on November 21, 2006, 03:07:00 PM
Here come I to my own again,
Fed, forgiven and known again,
Claimed by bone of my bone again
And cheered by flesh of my flesh.
The fatted calf is dressed for me,
But Isotonic Lucozade sport has greater zest for me,
I think Mayo will be best for me,
So I'm off to the partk afresh.
So back I go to my job again,
Not so easy to blindside Tyrone again,
Or quite so ready to sob again
On any redneck that's around.
I worked with the Heron Chokers from the Connemara Bogs
Where I spent my nights and my days with hogs.
And shared their milk and maize with hogs,
Till, I guess, I have learned what pays with hogs
And - I have that knowledge to sell!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: muscles magoo on November 21, 2006, 02:50:52 PM
Bit harsh on Colum Lyons. Of that bunch he is the only one who hasn't seen any league or championship action as yet for Mayo and has been in super form for Breaffy over the past couple of seasons. He is well worth a look in the FBD/National League.

You have to ask yourself why he hasnt seen any games this year... Maybe he got a raw deal, I dont know.

Maybe he deserves a chance but my main argument is that it is pointless having the above players on a panel when you dont consider them on the big day.
When Moran looked to the bench this year he didnt have that many options. Some people were surprised to see Andy Moran come in at centre-back. We should have some better cover than we have at the minute instead of putting a natural forward in the backs.
(Yes I know he played there for Ballagh too! & im not taking away from A Moran who is a great forward and deserves to be part of the setup)

I dont think the players I mentioned have a place on the panel, and I dont think JOM will have much time for them either.  :-\
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 21, 2006, 03:34:46 PM
Will make Galway v Mayo interesting in Pearse next year anyway.

With JOM on board Mayo should be looking to win Sam next year as the likes of McDonald, Heaney and Nallen probably don't have long left in them and replacing players like that is very difficult. Can't see Mayo doing it without those three even with O'Mahony in charge.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 21, 2006, 03:45:51 PM
QuoteI dont think the players I mentioned have a place on the panel, and I dont think JOM will have much time for them either.

Abbeysider while there is some validity to your questions over some of the players named (I definitely think you are being unfair on Colm Lyons (give the lad a run out at least before making a decision), and Trevor Howley) there is only reason to drop them if you have somebody better lined up. So who would you have brought in as replacements?
Title: 'Brazil philosophy' which proved to be our downfall in the end.
Post by: rosnarun on November 21, 2006, 03:47:51 PM
did some one miss the 1st 15 minute of the AIF. not too much samba there. this is the kinda of wrong headed thinking that keeps us churning through managers. lwts face which news would you have perferred to hear that JOM was coming or mikeen  donnellan. Padraic joyce ja fallon tomas mannion and ray silke  were back to their best and going to play for mayo.

PS xmas hamper for 1st one to spot the odd  one out ::)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: dodo on November 21, 2006, 03:53:48 PM
This talk of winning an All Ireland is crazy. Two months ago we got beat out the gate and now people are saying that maybe not the 2007 AI but 2008 will be the year.
Next thing we'll be shouting for O'Mahoney's head. Bit of perspective required.

We have the right management team in charge. They'll do their best no doubt. If Feeney can keep his gob shut and everybody work together to provide the backup necessary to O'Mahoney and co we'll be half way to maximising our potential.

Great to hear people wanting to know when the FBD starts and on about going to as many league games as possible to see the team evolve and develop.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 21, 2006, 04:05:15 PM
I don't think anyone has actually said that we will win the All Ireland. I would be disappointed if we were not competitive though - we were walloped in two AI Finals, but we have been the second best team in the championship 2/3 years. League semi finalists the last 2 years. So when it comes down to it we have to be seen as one of the best 4/5 teams in the country.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 21, 2006, 04:10:16 PM
the time for perspectiveand excuses  is gone and passed . with the 'mutual desicion of moran and the CB ' to part it is now all about winning the all-ireland. we have reached 2 out of the last 3 final and anything but a victory is now a step backwards. there comes a time when hype favoritism pluckyness ect have to be put to bed and the players accept that mayo are a top team of whom big things are expected esp now the 'messiah' along with his hand chosen apostles have arrived.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Barney on November 21, 2006, 03:45:51 PM
Abbeysider while there is some validity to your questions over some of the players named (I definitely think you are being unfair on Colm Lyons (give the lad a run out at least before making a decision), and Trevor Howley) there is only reason to drop them if you have somebody better lined up. So who would you have brought in as replacements?

Everybody deserves a chance, and a fair chance Barney. And by all means Howley and Lyons deserve a chance before anyone.

Who would I bring in and give a chance to?

For Starters as regards backs from Ballaghadreen;
Stephen Drake, David Kilcullen and Tomás Regan deserve a shot

From Ballina I would be looking at:
Ger Cafferkey
Enda Devaney

from Mitchles maybe:
Tom Cunniffe

Others in other positions (the list could be endless but two spring to mind that could cut the mustard)
Barry Kelly - Ballaghaderreen
Brian Benson - Crossmolina

There is talent in the county and im sure that at least some of the players I mentioned will get a chance instead of what we currently have on the panel.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: ildanach on November 21, 2006, 04:53:20 PM
We can not go with the theory that the 2006 panel is the best we have, definately some of the ballaghadreen lads deserve a go and i would also like to see benson from cross. All that is needed is level headed approach by the fans. JOM is not a miracle worker but he is a good manager who will get the best out of what we have but it will take time
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 21, 2006, 05:36:11 PM
I agree that a few additions to the current panel are vital but i don't think there's an awful lot better out there.
A lot of people keep mentioning the Ballaghderreen lads, fair enough give them a go but a lot of them have been there already eg James Kilcullen was on the panel 2 years ago and got dropped. Stephen drake was in and out of it this year, Barry regan was in it this year and wasn't good enough to start.
I'm not having a go at the lads, but just because they show up well in a club match, it does'nt mean that they'll exceed at county level.
The place they need to play well is this years FBD and league and i'm sure JOM will give anyone whos worth their salt a decent chance at making the cut but i'd be pretty sure that we'll still have about 25 of last years 30 come championship.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Fuzzman on November 21, 2006, 06:12:29 PM
I think Mayo will be there or thereabouts next year again.

When you compare there scenario to Tyrone and Armagh before they made the breakthrough. Both were knocking on the door a few years before they broke it down. When they changed managers they then won it in their first year in charge as did Kerry in 2004.

When ye are getting to the latter stages regularly then your squad must have the talent, its just a matter of getting their minds focussed and everything coming together in the big games.

Tyrone struggled in a few games in 2003 but when they lifted their performance in the replays they were awesome. I think JOM will bring yis on to another level and hopefully Tyrone get a chance for revenge for 2004.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 21, 2006, 06:13:37 PM
I just want to pick up on rosnarun's point. Should we now expect Sam to be doing the rounds in Mayo this time next year, or should we give the new manager time to get the house in order. Everyone wanted O'Mahony for a few years now, and now he's got the job will we all want Sam straight-away? I'm of the opinion that we will have our work cut out to get back to AIfs again after the hiding we got. I hope I'm wrong though.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 21, 2006, 06:28:56 PM
In fairness not too many on here have said that Mayo will win the AI next year, what is significant is that JOM is on board for three years and that may be what it takes to turn this team in to a team to win an AI, i dont know. Take Tyrone, they bulit on the success of the 2001 u-21 AI winning team and brought it foward to the senior set-up, also the players involved were been conditioned from under-16, some of them at least. I also agree with okey dokey that some good club players cant make it in the senior setup.... Every player mentioned on this thread has been given a chance one way or another in the senior setup. The reasons for these good club players not making it can be wide and varied and sometimes skill alone is not enough.  The first 22 players on the senior panel are as good as we have in the county i think and the other 8 positions are there but only for good club players who really shine between now and next april. No matter what manager takes over whatever county the first 20 players rarely change and in Mayo it will be no different.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 21, 2006, 09:14:24 PM
3 years dont mean didilly in gaa terms M moran was suppose to have 3 too. syaing regan was there last year and not good enough misses the point completly . he was there last year and Moran decided not to start him  . hopefully this year well find out if hes good enough. Moran did some very odd things last year and I was a big critic of him for it. such as using regan in croker when he did A durcan was another one played as well as any against dublin but never got another  chance. I'm very wary of call for mass inclusion of club players after they have a good championship. a few few years back it was swinfor then burrishole then ballina then charlestown and whoever . Look the players that are good enough should come through irrespective of their clubs doing well in any particular year or else we will still be waiting for ronan loftus to come good
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: stephenite on November 21, 2006, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 21, 2006, 09:14:24 PM
players after they have a good championship. a few few years back it was swinfor then burrishole then ballina then charlestown and whoever . Look the players that are good enough should come through irrespective of their clubs doing well in any particular year or else we will still be waiting for ronan loftus to come good

It's a fair point, how and ever as was pointed out earlier, I think that with the combination of the trial games that MM held last year, and the knowledge that each of the selectors and the manager have of the club scence there will not be too many additions to this panel, top club players are worth a look at training and FBD but if they're not good enough, this managemnet team will be fairly quick to get shot of them.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Johno07 on November 21, 2006, 10:11:59 PM
I agree with rosnarun that we have to be looking at SAM next year, we should keep him for the 3 years regardless but success has to be the ultimate goal. Heaney, Brady, O Neill, Nallen, Mc Donald havnt long left and their definately not going to be thinking in terms of a "3 year plan". Also if you look at the last 10 years half the All Irelands have been won by managers in their first year in charge Paidí 97, Johnno 98, Kernan 02, Heart 03, O Connor 04.

With regards to the supposed "big 3" of the last few years, If you were to ask their supporters and players what their goal for next year was they would only tell you one thing, Sam. We shouldnt be any different.
Roll on 07!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 22, 2006, 03:54:09 AM
With Mayo at 16/1 for Sam and Galway at 6/1 for Liam, you'd get a return of a grand or so for a tenner on a double if they came in......

Would obviously be a long shot but both have top new experienced managers and neither are too far away from the top at the moment. You'd kinda expect both to come up a little short this year but it could be worth a punt nonetheless.........
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 22, 2006, 07:58:28 AM
This has come sooner than we expected!!:

QuoteDAVID BRADY is going to reconsider his decision to retire from inter-county football after this year's All-Ireland final.

Brady, still only 31, admitted yesterday that the presence of Tommy Lyons, his former Ballina manager, in addition to new manager John O'Mahony, could make it hard for him to stick by his original decision.

Lyons was manager of Ballina when they landed the All-Ireland club title in 2005 and Brady was one of the key figures.

Brady didn't make himself available for the 2005 season but returned to play an influential role in the closing stages of this year's All-Ireland championship.

He was arguably Mayo's best player as they were thumped by Kerry in the final.

Brady is sure to be invited to return in what it expected to be an all-inclusive squad devised by O'Mahony in the coming weeks.

"The body is in bits. I wouldn't go back just for the sake of it but we'll have to see," he said yesterday.

Others such as Ciaran McDonald and James Nallen, who may have also thought of retirement, will be urged to stay on.

O'Mahony's constituency office for his Fine Gael election campaign opens in Claremorris next Saturday.

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 22, 2006, 08:04:46 AM
Back page news again for DB. I knew this would happen, esp with Lyons as a selector. He also played for Connacht under JOM this year. I don't know how his body is in bits as he's hardly played all year......once i think in the league and 2-3 sub appearances in Championship.
I would love to find out how many appearances he's made for Mayo as he seems to be injured all the time.
Still, delighted to hear that he'll play next year :)
Title: abbeysider
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 09:41:13 AM
I have to disagree with a lot of what u are saying there

Howley has been a class act in football all year, will be pushing strongly for the No.6 jersey next year

Gerry cafferkey is too young, just about making the ballina team & has an injury, should make a fine full back but not for a few years yet
Enda devenney hasn't lived up to the hype that surrounded him 3 years ago and now couldn't possibly be further from the county panel, will need to refind his form to even be considered
IMO benson isn't good enough but still should be given the oppurtunity


No real surprise brady is back & having talked to heaney's father it sounds like all of last years team will be back to give it another go.
Talk to nallen for corner back!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 22, 2006, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 09:41:13 AM


No real surprise brady is back & having talked to heaney's father it sounds like all of last years team will be back to give it another go.

Mayo4sam - any other inside from Heaney's father, you must be in the know ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 22, 2006, 01:01:10 PM
Interview with JOM in this week's Western. Very positive, but realistic I think. I can't wait for the new season - record attendances for the FBD I'd say  :D

QuoteWHAT was another four or five weeks, one wondered, when Mayo football had waited fully 15 years for the return of its Prodigal son? But ever since last month's departure of Mayo manager Mickey Moran created a vacancy in need of filling, while most supporters were prepared to allow obvious choice John O'Mahony the time to arrive at whatever decision best suited himself, others appeared to be getting more and more anxious, with every passing hour, that their first preference may once again opt not to assume managerial control of their beloved Green and Red.


The doubters need not have worried as one year on from declining an initial opportunity to resume inter-county football duties on home territory, the former double All-Ireland winning Galway manager last night (Monday) accepted the challenge to revitalise a team that has as good as taken up permanent residency in the school of hard knocks since his self-imposed exit (because of a much-publicised dispute with county board officials) from the same job in 1991.


At that time, O'Mahony felt he had no other option but to step down from his position after a four-season term in charge. Six managers and four All-Ireland senior final appearances (but no wins) later, the county welcomes back the retired schoolteacher whose mission is to spearhead a campaign that ultimately, might one day result in Mayo football being considered top of the class once again.


"I'm excited about the challenge," beams the Ballaghaderreen clubman who has been handed an initial three-year reign.


"I feel I have a fair handle on what needs to be done in the long term but it's not about instant success, it's about creating the right structures, putting in the right systems and getting together the ambitious play-ers that want to progress Mayo football.


"If the new management did nothing more than lay that foundation, I wouldn't mind if somebody else came afterwards and got the benefit of it. I'm not talking about winning twos or threes in a row in the immediate future, I'm just on about getting things right with everybody moving forward together. That's the challenge that excites me most because if, for once, that can happen, then we'll see what the possibilities bring," continued the Fine Gael General Election candidate, before explaining why, just 12 months after turning down the same job, now was the right for him to become Mayo manager once again.


"Big things have happened in my own personal circumstances since then. Basically I had had seven very intensive years in charge of Galway and that was the longest span I ever had in management, so I felt I needed more time out. I had just started up a lot of other things in my life be it writing for the Western People, working on the Sunday Game with RTE or presenting on Mid West Radio, all of which I enjoyed. I also got back involved with my own Ballaghaderreen club both on and off the field. I had taken up some of those things just a short time before the vacancy arose last year so I was enjoying them and wanted to continue them. That would have been a major reason why I didn't take the Mayo job then.


"However, a lot has since changed. I have retired from teaching at St Nathy's College where I taught for the last 31 years and that has given me flexibility and of course I have now entered the Political arena having been nominated last June. That is something I hadn't envisaged 12 months ago when I didn't go forward for the Mayo job but it is now another challenge I have taken on. I was surprised when the Mayo job became vacant again but I made it very clear last year when I didn't take up the job, both publicly and with the Mayo county board, that I would never rule out the possibility of taking it some time in the future.


"When this vacancy came about, I would have initially thought that Pat Holmes and his management team, whom I gave some small help to this year during the under 21 campaign, would have moved up to senior and that if it was required that I could work in some consultancy role with them. I'm not saying that the position was ever put to Pat but it was just a scenario that went through my own thoughts.


"But my name was then linked to the job, perhaps inevitably once I wasn't involved in team management, and while I would always do all that I could to further advance Mayo football, I wanted to make sure that I was able to give the time, commitment and energy alongside the other big thing that I have on which is of course the Political campaign.


"That's why this process of appointing a manager took so long but I want to assure everybody that I am fully committed to the Mayo football job otherwise the answer would have been 'No' again," explained O'Mahony, the man who in 1994, guided Leitrim to their first Connacht senior title in 67 years.


Mayo will enter the 2007 season on the back of another All-Ireland final defeat in what was the first year of Mickey Moran's supposed two year term in charge. However, on October 17 last, the Derry man departed his position under a cloud of suspicion - despite the apparent mutual agreement between manager and county board.


Just what the circumstances were behind the whole 'Moran affair' may never become public knowledge, but John O'Mahony himself is only too familiar about having to cut ties as Mayo manager, his experiences of 1991 perhaps prompting him to enquire as to the reasons that led to Moran's recent exit, therefore enabling him and the county board to iron out any similar potential problems and difficulties that could, if allowed to go unchecked, have hindered their future working relationship.


"I would have had private and confidential discussions with the county board and I have discussed all those topics," confirmed the new manager.


"I'm not taking this job lightly. I was as surprised like everybody else that the management stepped down after what I would have seen as quite a successful year but to a certain extent that is water under the bridge now and I'm happy that I and my management team will take Mayo football forward.


"What needs to be clarified is that I left Mayo very reluctantly in 1991 and I was only ever going to go back once I was convinced that it was for the good of Mayo football and that I would be able to play that role, knowing that I had the full confidence and full backing of everybody.


"Past problems that I had were referred to last year when I first declined the job offer but I would have found a gradual assurance this year both through working with Ballaghaderreen and to a lesser extent with the Mayo under 21s, that I could work with the county board. I've had good discussions with James Waldron, Sean Feeney and others and I'm happy that past difficulties won't be a factor because if they were I wouldn't be part of it because the only thing that counts here is the advancement of Mayo foot-ball."


Announced as selectors to John O'Mahony at Monday night's press conference in Castlebar were Tommy Lyons from Ballina and Swinford's Kieran Gallagher, the latter serving as a selector under Mickey Moran for the past season.


O'Mahony, working in an advisory capacity to Ballina Stephenites, became familiar with Lyons who managed the Moysiders to All-Ireland club honours in 2005, and with the FBD Connacht football league only a matter of weeks away, Mayo's new supremo says that it's straight down to serious business for the trio.


"The first thing that'll happen is that myself, Tommy and Kieran will meet and begin the process of drawing up a new panel but the biggest thing that is needed to be done quickly is to talk to the players, to lay out plans, for management to give their intentions to the players and for the play-ers to give their intentions also.


"I'm well aware that some teams are already back training but we were lucky in the sense that Mayo were in the All-Ireland final. Even if there had been a manager all along it would be unlikely that the team would be back training yet but the new state of the art gym that was recently installed in An Sportlann by Elverys is a major bonus.


"We'll also have to start the process where new play-ers are brought in. Mayo have played in a number of under 21 and Minor finals in recent years but the trawl for talent won't just be confined to players from those teams. We'd be hoping that players who have shown fine form but for one reason or another weren't in panels in recent years, might come through also.


"There needs to be a short-term plan and long-term plan. The short term plan will be to get up and running as quickly as possible and win as many games as quickly as possible but the long term plan would be to create structures for future players."


It's clear from speaking to O'Mahony, who is also busy preparing Roscommon club team, St. Brigid's, for their upcoming Connacht final showdown with Corofin, that when addressing the subject of possible goals and ambitions that he may hold for his upcoming tenure, rather than identifying a specific date and time when 'Sam Maguire' or other major honours might just happen to make an appearance West of Frenchpark, he prefers to talk about creating the right environment where success could be made possible.


"I think what's important is that supporters be realistic. This is not going to be a quick fix or an overnight solution to all of the problems in Mayo football. I think GAA President Nicky Brennan hit the nail on the head a couple of weeks ago when he suggested that Mayo can sometimes be too negative in the aftermath of a defeat. In the short term, there needs to be a bit of positivity and a bit of dusting yourself down to get going at it again," he concluded"


Somehow John, I don't think Mayo fans will have too much difficulty in managing that!


Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: OkeyDoke on November 22, 2006, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 09:41:13 AM


No real surprise brady is back & having talked to heaney's father it sounds like all of last years team will be back to give it another go.

Mayo4sam - any other inside from Heaney's father, you must be in the know ;)

Ya, ya, finger on the pulse
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: magpie seanie on November 22, 2006, 02:01:21 PM
Was hoping O'Mahoney would have a few clowns alongside him but he doesn't. Looks like a good setup on balance and Mayo will be contenders again. Damn it anyway.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 22, 2006, 02:14:45 PM
This is the gaffers article in the Western. Really rehashing previous comments in the interview with Anthony Hennigan:

QuoteExcited to answer the home county's call

AFTER two years away from the sideline, it's back to the coalface of inter-county management.

I was as surprised as everybody else a few weeks ago upon hearing of the resignation of John Morrison firstly, then followed by the entire Mayo senior management team a week later. Since Mickey Moran took over at the helm of Mayo senior football this time last year, the season had been a roller coaster. A successful League campaign, albeit coming to an abrupt end against Galway in the semi-final, preceded a six match unbeaten championship trailblazer that showed all the signs of solid progress and established real credibility for Mayo to launch a massive assault on winning the All-Ireland title.


That potential was affirmed in a massive way with an amazing victory against a Dublin side that itself seemed to be on a mission and destined for All-Ireland glory. In overcoming the events that unfolded prior to throw-in in that game, and demonstrating the mental steel to haul back a seven point deficit in the second half, Mayo looked to have banished many of the ghosts of the past.


What subsequently transpired in the final against Kerry and the manner of the loss, left everybody stunned in Croke Park in mid-September. The fallout from that defeat was the last thing this county needed but something to which it has become all too accustomed.


Once the 'Manager Wanted' sign appeared again in Mayo, speculation erupted and as has been a regular occurrence since I stepped down from Galway a couple of years ago, my name was linked with the post.


When your native county comes calling, which in this case happened about a week later, it is always a compliment and must be given serious consideration. It hadn't happened for me since I reluctantly resigned from the same position in 1991, until last year.


Twelve months ago, I was still recovering from seven years of the most intense seasons in my managerial career with Galway. I was just after joining the Sunday Game team on RTE as well as the Western People and Mid-West Radio, all of which I have thoroughly enjoyed. At that stage as well I was vice-chairman of Ballaghaderreen GAA club and assisting Frank Kelly and Pat O'Grady with team training.


Subsequently I was approached to enter the political arena with Fine Gael, something which I never envisaged a year ago but at which I am now working hard and am committed to. Retirement from my teaching post in St. Nathy's College since September has also been a major change in my circumstances and has given me a lot of flexibility to do other things.


It would have been very easy to say yes immediately to doing a job that I enjoy. However the delay in accepting was down to needing to be certain that my present circumstances away from football could allow for devoting the time and energy needed to guide Mayo's fortunes over the next few years. That has now been done with a fine comb and I am looking forward to the challenge ahead.


As I stated last week this is only and always about the advancement of Mayo football. It is imperative that the necessary structures, some of which are already in place, are built on and changed if necessary, to enable Mayo to challenge for honours in the years ahead.


There are plenty of opinions out there as to what is wrong but the one essential now is that everybody works in unison to strive for that success which will only emerge if there is a unity of purpose in the county. Of course, we will be striving to win every game in the new year but with the success of the U21 team last year and two final appearance at minor level in the last few years, there must now be a plan put in place to bring through some of that talent if those young players have the ambition, commitment and discipline.


I was delighted to obtain the services of Ballina's Tommy Lyons and Swinford's Kieran Gallagher as my two selectors. The Ballina manager and Louisburgh native has done a wonderful job in charge at Stephenites which I saw at close quarters a couple of years ago when they won the All- Ireland. Kieran Gallagher will provide continuity from Mickey Moran's backroom team as well as having played a big role in the Minor setup a couple of years ago. Kieran, who also led Sligo IT to Sigerson Cup glory, is a past pupil of St. Nathy's College in Ballaghaderreen so I am looking forward to renewing acquaintances with him. Martin Carney will also be a part of the wider management where he will be in charge of video and statistical analysis.


Other key appointments will be made in the coming days so that we can meet the play-ers and lay out the plans for both the short and long term as soon as possible.


While many inter-county teams have already commenced their preparations for next season, the fact that Mayo were in the championship until late September and then had to play club championship meant that the inter-county squad would not have been back yet anyway but we do need to get the plans up and running now as soon as possible.


T he first task of the management will be to meet and start putting a panel together for 2007. There has been much speculation since the All-Ireland as to who might retire or give it another lash. All will be revealed in due course - busy times ahead!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: venter on November 22, 2006, 03:08:10 PM
A Fairly Level headed Crew on board. Good to hear that Brady is coming back as well. Why does he constantly make a tool out of himself by retiring and unretiring etc, etc??
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: venter on November 22, 2006, 03:08:10 PM
A Fairly Level headed Crew on board. Good to hear that Brady is coming back as well. Why does he constantly make a tool out of himself by retiring and unretiring etc, etc??

gaggin as I am to pass a comment, I'll let it pass in the interest of a united front for '07
Come on Mayo
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 04:11:39 PM
QuoteMcHugh: O'Mahony faces huge task
22 November 2006


Former Donegal All-Ireland winner Martin McHugh believes John O'Mahony faces a "massive task" in his quest to win that elusive All-Ireland football title for Mayo.

And he says there can be no more excuses if the new Mayo manager doesn't deliver the Sam Maguire.
Writing in his newspaper column, McHugh stated: "There can be no more blaming managers or county boards because they have the man they wanted.

"The players have the talent, but do they have the balls and the leadership? That's what they have to go out and prove on the field.

"Another thing that the players have to get over is their tendency to get carried away with one good performance. The county might go stone mad, but they must keep their feet on the ground.

"No other team in the country, Kilkenny aside, would have got the hammering from Kerry in the All-Ireland final that Mayo got.

"They were beaten after 10 minutes and that doesn't bode well for them.

"What a manager has to do is get his team mentally as well as physically right. Under John Maughan, Mayo were always physically well prepared because that was his strong suit.

"O'Mahony has to work on the mental aspect of the game."


Apart from the Kilkenny comment hes not far wrong. Does sound like a dig at M&M though
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2006, 04:16:57 PM
Maybe he is dead on but I don't like him.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 04:24:46 PM
Ya but ur a united fan, so it doesn't matter  :D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 22, 2006, 04:35:54 PM
I was never a fan of Martin McHugh's brand of pundity i.e. bitch, bitch bitch.
But that Kilkenny comment is just ridiculous. Fool
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 22, 2006, 05:10:55 PM
Agree with Tubberman. While alot of what he says is good he seems to have a bit of the small man syndrome about him
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Msgr. Horan on November 22, 2006, 05:40:58 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Barney on November 21, 2006, 03:45:51 PM
Abbeysider while there is some validity to your questions over some of the players named (I definitely think you are being unfair on Colm Lyons (give the lad a run out at least before making a decision), and Trevor Howley) there is only reason to drop them if you have somebody better lined up. So who would you have brought in as replacements?

Everybody deserves a chance, and a fair chance Barney. And by all means Howley and Lyons deserve a chance before anyone.

Who would I bring in and give a chance to?

For Starters as regards backs from Ballaghadreen;
Stephen Drake, David Kilcullen and Tomás Regan deserve a shot

From Ballina I would be looking at:
Ger Cafferkey
Enda Devaney

from Mitchles maybe:
Tom Cunniffe

Others in other positions (the list could be endless but two spring to mind that could cut the mustard)
Barry Kelly - Ballaghaderreen
Brian Benson - Crossmolina

There is talent in the county and im sure that at least some of the players I mentioned will get a chance instead of what we currently have on the panel.
Dont forget John Shevlin from Belmullet, a very nippy corner foward well able to take a score.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2006, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 22, 2006, 04:24:46 PM
Ya but ur a united fan, so it doesn't matter  :D

I'm also a Knockmoreman so it does! ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 22, 2006, 10:20:04 PM
Good article from O'Mahony, I'm sure he realises the enormity of the job ahead.

Anybody hear yet when the first get-together with the players will be??
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: intoDwest on November 23, 2006, 12:35:02 PM
I must say I'm over the moon with the appointment, noboby else could have got a fair crack of the wip while JOM was in the background. All we can ask for is that we get the best 25 players in the county involved and get them well prepared and if that not good enough then so be it, its not soccer and there is no transfer windows, we have to use what we have got.

Will we be treated to a range of trial matched again this year?? Unlike last year the management team should really know whats in the county.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: venter on November 24, 2006, 08:40:32 AM
Well. Now that we have our new three year plan in place does this mean we will be getting a new three year  Captain. If thats the case then the 5 older lads of MacD, Nallen, Brady, ONeill and Heaney are probably ruled out. If we look ar Barneys team from earlier in the thread we can see the lads who will more than likely be starters.

Clarke

x                   x                  Higgins

Higgins          x                 Gardiner

McGarrity        Harte

Dillon          McDonald         x

Mortimer        Mortimer        x

This leaves us picking a captain from:

Clarke  (needs to get a longer run in the team)
Higgins K (Too young)
Higgins A ( Possible - Should he be in the same bracket as the older 5)
Gardiner (Possible - Captained Cross to last two county titles)
Harte (Needs to cement his place on the team)
McGarrity(Possible)
Dillon(Possible - Great season, could switch to centre forward and lead the team)
Mort T (My Selection - The natural leader of the younger men)
Mort (its hardly what he or Mayo need)


So in order I'd go for :
T Mort
A Dillon
P Gardiner

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 24, 2006, 09:27:32 AM
Not so sure that i agree that we need a new captain- by all accounts, Heaney was a great captain and leader last year. If we were to go with a 3 year captain , that would rule out Heaney....in that case i would prob go with P Gardiner. T mort seems to be injured too often to be a good captain on the field.
Ideally, JOM will keep Heaney as captain, after all he choose him as captain of Connaught this year.
BTW, i think A Higgins is 1-2 years older than Heaney
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Greenabovethered on November 24, 2006, 11:36:24 AM
Aidan Higgins is 31 pushing 32. It is unlikely he will be back this year for wing back. Peader Gardiner is probably the safe choice. I can't see Trevor guaranteed a game. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave the armband to Mac to keep him involved for another year or so.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 24, 2006, 12:44:54 PM
I agree with venter's selection. The names he has chosen are obvious ones, it's the Xs I'd worry about.
Geraghty is too small and Heaney is too loose  for places in the full back line.
Heaney may be the obvious replacement for Jimmy Nallen and that would leave us with one corner back position to fill. David Brady did an admirable job on Donaghy  in the final but he'd have serious  mobility limitations  if playing there throughout the year.  I'd imagine that he will be best used as an impact sub in midfield.
Midfield really picks itself  and the four forwards venter selected  are the obvious front runners for their respective positions.  For the two remaining places I'd go with Kilcoyne and Austin O'Malley.
I know O'Malley is injury-prone but his  continuing failure to nail down a starting place on the team baffles me; I have seen him in action throughout the Dublin club championships and I feel that he'd be a definite addition, if fit, to any team in the land. This could be his year..
I don't know enough about the present form of O'Malley or Howley to comment on their chances of making the starting fifteen but sources closer to home tell me that they'll both be in active contention for a place in the full back line.
The above XV would represent a solid side for Johnno to begin with but there will be plenty of  competition for places on the side and that can only be good for the side. Really, there will be lots of adequate cover for most places on the field but finding an adequate solution for the numbers two and three berths will be critical.
Paddy Navin did play well for UCD this season but I don't think he is the finished article yet  while O'Malley lacks the height to be an authoritative  full back. The make up of the entire full back line will play a critical part in  determining our hopes for next year but it is also the most unsettled looking line of the whole side.
If Johnno can put together a functioning full back line I don't think that any problems that arise further outfield  will be too critical.
As regards the captaincy, I'd go with Peadar Gardiner; he has a proven track record with Cross. Trevor Mortimer is too injury-prone and also too petulant to lead by example, while David Heaney  probably won't be around for O'Mahony's full term.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 24, 2006, 02:12:02 PM
I would not have Gardiner has captain. I think his position on the team has to be called into question. Yes has has had a few great years for us but we cannot deny that he is defensively weak, gets into good attacking positions often losing the ball, and sadly the fact that he obviously froze on the big occasion twice in the last 3 years, probably to a greater degree than any of the other players. This might read as being harsh but it is those hard decisions that will have to be made for us to improve. He is a great player for us in the main but.....

There is no need to look for a 3 year captain. Heaney should maintain the job. He has experience. Carried the weight of the task comfortably last year and is an on-field leader. I worry about his lack of mobility though at centre-half back. Is there any reason to think that Declan O'Sullivan would not have got by him as easily as he did past James Nallen in 2004 and 2006?

I think Paddy Navin must be worth a try at full-back. Liam O'Malley is too light and too small. Definite option in the corner, or possibly at number 6 if he is flanked by the right men but around the square he would be easy pickings for the best in the business.

It is the backs that need most strengthening and a rabbit out of a hat is needed I think.

I hope all this nonsense of playing Brady at full-back will stop. There is no way he is up to the task. He was a stop-gap measure in the final that worked to a degree. He would be too immobile and ill-disciplined to hold down the role long-term. Some people in Mayo give the man demi-God status. He has been a great servant and a great man to do the donkey work when we need it but his footballing skills are distincly average.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 24, 2006, 03:51:59 PM
I agree with barney on brady, his round the neck tackling method was let go to a certain extent in the AIF, in a closer match he cld have given away a lot more frees. He tackles like a midfielder/forward.
I'm not so sure navin is up to it, i've been following this lad for  few years thru some claremorris lads and the impression i've gotten is that he's good but doubts about whether he's good enough.
I think we've back in gardiner, higgins x2, heaney, kilcullen, o'malley & howley
Could kilcullen paly FB? Big lad in every sense of the word
As for captain i dont think it makes a huge diff, as ballina's shane sweeney said to me this year captain would be nice but its an honourary role, everyone knows who the real leaders on the pitch are
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 24, 2006, 04:29:36 PM
from the look of navin playing for UCD last week hes no bigger or stronger than L o malley.  Brady should be kept in reserve for donaghy alone . cant really see the logic of heaey at CHB nallen may have let paole walk through him but the real problm was at full back. for years Heaney has been a great attacking fullback with dodgy hands. Its on position O mahony must prove his worth in and get and properly train the right man. whether a toatal new guy or convert some one else to the position . Its going to be his 1st big test
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: ildanach on November 24, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
i would like to see heaney at wing back nad T Mort at centre back and let him try and make barry moran into a full back
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on November 24, 2006, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: ildanach on November 24, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
barry moran into a full back

:o

Ive heard it all...

::)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: westmayo on November 24, 2006, 05:25:27 PM

Interview with O'Mahony in the Mayo Advertiser today




Just a little over a day after weeks of speculation were ended when John O'Mahony was unveiled as the new Mayo manager the Ballaghadereen native invited the Mayo Advertiser into his home to discuss the past, present, and the future. For a man who has been there and done it all before in football, O'Mahony still has a passion for the game and it shines through when he speaks about the future and the new journey he is about to embark on with the Mayo senior football side, a challenge to which he has taken a second swing.

CG: How have the first few days back in charge of the side been, are you enjoying them?

JOM: There has been a good bit happening already I spent yesterday (Tuesday), meeting with someone I want to get involved with my back room team so I'm already at it. I will be looking to bring in more people into the back room team like the medical team, a fitness trainer who would oversee all fitness programmes for the side, like strength work, speed work and agility, all that side of the game. The mental side of it as well will be looked at, whatever needs to be done will be done.

CG: On the strength side of it people would have been saying for the last few years that Mayo weren't strong enough. Would you have seen it that way?

JOM: That is one of the observations people have made, but I'll have to wait till I get in on site with the players to see for myself. That judgement can be subjective also, there was no problem with strength in the Dublin game whereas there was in the Kerry game and the result was dramatically different. I think it is particularly relevant now especially because you will have lads coming through from u21 teams who will need to built up their strength.

CG: With the u21 side having such a good run to the All Ireland title last year there must be at least a few lads that you would have in mind for a run in the league to see if they are up to it?

JOM: The thing about that, and I saw this in Galway as well, is that a lot of that u21 team are in there already the likes of Aidan Kilcoyne, Barry Moran, Keith Higgins, and what we'll be looking for is to see is there more there that have the ambition and the commitment and discipline to make that step up. I hope certainly that there will be a number of other ones who will continue on this path. The key for them at the minute is that they have continue on, they have got the reward of an All Ireland medal for the hard work they put in and the hopefully will be looking out for every avenue that can help them to expand and improve their football, be it through colleges or whatever.

We'll certainly be keeping an eye on them. But there are also other players who we'll be looking at, it's not going to be confined to the u21 side or minor sides from the past, because there are other players out there that up to now didn't really have that ambition, or whatever, or have been on the panel in the last two or three years that disappeared for whatever reason, and we have to see if they still want it, the door will be open for them. That is the big message that we want to put out, that the door is open for whoever has that ambition and commitment to the cause.

CG: Will you carry out the same procedure and have open trials for clubs to send players forward to give everyone a go?

JOM: I'll be meeting with Kieran and Tommy in the near future and we will be plotting our campaign forward for the future and set out the route we want to take. There will be lots of opportunities for everyone, be that through trials or from watching lads at club football when that starts up again, it is not going to be a closed panel on the first of February when the league starts up again, there will be players given an opportunity in the FBD also, there are lots of avenues for players. It is as simple as this, if the players are good enough, want it enough, and are committed enough over the next couple of months there will be enough opportunities for them.

CG: The team you have picked to work with you have seen a lot of club football in Mayo over the last number of years, do you see that as an advantage for yourself as you look to the future?

JOM: We have, Kieran and Tommy are my selectors and Martin has another sort of role, but has a great knowledge of Mayo football and he also knows what it takes to get to the top. I'm very pleased with the back room team I have got and its a great help to me the knowledge that they have so we won't leave anybody out. They'll also help make sure we leave no stone unturned, another thing we will be looking at is the fact that last year we had a number of players based in Dublin and we have to make sure we have a structure there that brings the best out of that group.

CG: Everyone in your selection team has a winning mentality and tasted success, all of you know what it takes to win?

JOM: That's the whole idea, it's about success, pushing and raising the bar all the time and that'll be a challenge everyone will have to do individually as well as a group. For my own part this is the first time that I've come back on ground I've been on already and I'll be challenging myself as will everyone else, because the day you stop doing that is the day you stop making progress.

CG: You said at the press conference you came back this year because you thought it was right for Mayo football to come back, what was different this year compared to last year?

JOM: Retiring from work was a major factor, that's the reason we are able to sit here right now, there is more flexibility in what I'm doing now. When I was managing before I was effectively working two jobs, that is the major circumstance that has changed, as well I've had few years out from management and I've done the media stuff now for a few years and I feel I can go back to it again if I want to. There is never a perfect time for it but I feel that I can give it the time it warrants now.

CG: You have a three year term, was having that time frame something you insisted to have if you were going to take the job?

JOM: I felt it was to sent out the signal that there is a long road ahead. There is a two fold objective here, the first is obviously to be up and running and competitive as soon as possible, and then to look forward and say this is the way it is going to be for the next few years and set Mayo football up for the future. I am determined that this will be a long term plan, not just a short term one to attain a certain goal.

CG: You took a few weeks to make your choice, you obviously had a lot to weigh up in those weeks?

JOM: I did, It takes a lot of your time when you take on a job like this and that's why I took some time to make a decision. I have other commitments to a political campaign and I wanted to make sure that I would be able to balance the two. It is easy to say to yourself that it is possible, but I wanted to make sure that in reality it was possible. How is it possible and what sort of structures I needed to put in place to make it possible on both sides, to make sure that I would have the energy to give both sides the dedication and respect they demand.

I thought long and hard about it and I explored long and hard to see how it would work and I'm convinced now that with the good people I have around me that it is possible.

It's not easy but for example on Monday evening, I attended the County Board meeting, then the press conference and did some interviews after. I then spoke at an education forum at GMIT, then there was a Fine Gael branch meeting and I finished up the evening doing some more interviews. That's just an example of an evening where we fitted everything in that had to be done.

CG: People might see you coming back to the Mayo and think this is it, this guy will lead us to Sam Maguire?

JOM: I don't see it that way at all, I've always seen the picture like this, to call it a better word as a whole group of people working in unison. I might have the role of the manager but the role of any one of the players or the back room team is just as important. The person who is number 30 on that panel in many ways is in fact more important to Mayo's success, because it is easy for the captain or the star player to be motivated, but it's not quite as easy for the fringe guy who mightn't get to play that often.

Everybody needs to be motivated and I'll be directing the traffic towards the one goal, and making sure everyone is as motivated as needed to reach our potential. Anyone who thinks that all things are solved because I'm back is pretty naive because there are going to be setbacks along the way.

It is going to be a very tough opening run in the league initially. I hope people don't believe that is all solved because of one man coming back. It is a very tough first division. Hopefully when the league gets under way we get a good run going to set us up. That is important in a couple of contexts, firstly because its the first competitive football of the year and secondly, because of what happened in the All Ireland final and to get that out of our system. We'll be ready for whatever comes and this squad will play to their maximum and we'll see where that takes us, but the one thing I appealed to people before about this is that let's get it right now and be patient if there are any hiccups along the way' that's almost a guarantee , but hopefully the good days will be to the fore. My experience in sport is that nothing works out the way you want all the time, but the harder you work the luckier you get.

CG: If we go back to your first stint in the job, you had a relatively successful term.

JOM: I did, you could say, interestingly when I took over in 1988 we were actually relegated in the league that year losing five games on the trot. I remember losing to Kerry in a playoff and we went down to division two at the time. I can still remember being in the dressing room that day down in Ennis and getting our heads around what had happened, but we did, and from that day on we set out on an assault for the Connacht championship which we won. When we got to a semi-final we ran a great Meath team pretty close, I think we went down to them by four points in the end and had a goal disallowed. Then the next year we got to the final and that was the first time the county had won two Connacht titles back to back since 1951 and I suppose we broke a few barriers, but unfortunately not the ultimate one.

In 1990 we lost out to Galway in Tuam, I remember that day our two midfielders TJ Kilgallon and Sean Maher were both out along with Noel Durkan and there was no backdoor in those days, then the final year we lost out to Roscommon after a replay.

CG: You had four years and then as it seems to be common knowledge things ended acrimoniously, has much changed since then?

JOM: Time has moved on. A lot has been made of what happened and fair enough I was very hurt at the time. But I was hurt by particular individuals not with Mayo as such, because all of us are just cogs in a wheel. Despite that over the years I would have always had a hand involved in various guises with Mayo football, despite whatever acrimony there was with one or two individuals. It's a long time ago now, I could have whinged at the time and bore grudges but that would have only restricted my own progression as a manager, and I'm the kind of person who wants to be positive in what he does and that's why I'm back here once again.

Life is about to get very hectic once again for the retired 53-year-old schoolteacher, with two campaigns to plot out for next summer both political and sporting, but i the passion and willingness to work that O'Mahony has brought to every other facet of his life is anything to go by it will come as no surprise to anybody if next summer marks a new high water in his life.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 24, 2006, 10:46:42 PM

JOM: There has been a good bit happening already I spent yesterday (Tuesday), meeting with someone I want to get involved with my back room team so I'm already at it. I will be looking to bring in more people into the back room team like the medical team, a fitness trainer who would oversee all fitness programmes for the side, like strength work, speed work and agility, all that side of the game. The mental side of it as well will be looked at, whatever needs to be done will be done.

Looks like there will be more Golf tournaments next year for the training fund...Feeney will have to blow the dust off the cheque book!!!!!!!  :D ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: mayo51 on November 26, 2006, 02:02:35 AM
j.o.m managed the mayo u21 to an all ireland final win over derry in 1983 which would have made him 30 or31.he also won an all ireland u 21 in 1971 playing l.c.b.   funny enough when mayo won the u21 in 1983 he had 7 selectors which were picked by the c.b and some of these people would not have been anywhere near management in their own clubs
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 26, 2006, 08:58:18 AM
Feeney is trying to shut O'Mahony up already!!

QuoteNEW MAYO gaelic football manager and Fine Gael election candidate John O'Mahony will be prevented from appearing on sports bulletins and programmes on RTE radio and TV from January.

His air time will be cut in the interests of political fairness . . .

even though he would be expected to do a number of radio and television interviews during the FBD League competition and the Allianz football league as Mayo's new manager.

RTE has confirmed to the Sunday Tribune that, despite accepting the Mayo management role, O'Mahony will be treated in the same way as all other candidates.

Peter Feeney, secretary of RTE's General Election Steering Committee, said, "We have a huge issue over a candidate for a general election appearing on radio or television as we have to be fair to all candidates.

"The issue has arisen before.

Last time there were elections, David Norris had appeared in a programme on great Irish houses and that programme was postponed until after the elections. If there is any possibility of a candidate getting onto television or radio in any other guise, we will not allow it."

It is most unlikely that the Bank of Ireland GAA Championships will have started before the general election.

However inter-county managers often make appearances on television and radio during the football league, which will be played in the months before the election.

Feeney added, "From January onwards, we will be monitoring candidates to ensure that we give balanced coverage to all candidates and parties.

John O'Mahony will not be appearing on RTE radio or television from January onwards in any other guise other than as a general election candidate." O'Mahony this weekend told the Sunday Tribune, "I will abide with whatever rules and regulations that are there. "When I am out on the sideline, I won't be mixing my roles. What interpretation other people put on that is for them to decide."

Meanwhile, Mayo's sitting Fine Gael TD, Michael Ring said, "We are delighted to have John O'Mahony and if we can win three seats in Mayo, we won't care how we get them.

The one thing I would say is that I will be lucky to be elected with Enda Kenny as leader and John O'Mahony as Mayo manager running alongside me. It is a very dangerous election for me with two high-profile candidates running as well."

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 26, 2006, 09:03:13 AM
QuoteTYPICALLY, he said all the right things last Monday, and he was right to say all the right things. John O'Mahony cannot guarantee Mayo an All Ireland. When he was in Galway, he had, at various stages in his tenure, a set of footballers that were among the two most gifted groups in the country.

O'Mahony does not have that now, just as John Maughan never had it either. What O'Mahony can guarantee is that he will give Mayo every chance to win an All Ireland.

Success, a man has said, is peace of mind of knowing you gave something your best shot. By that count, Mayo finally can have some success, because until O'Mahony got another stint, they could never have that peace of mind.

His selection of selectors as well as words has been also impeccable. Tommy Lyons will secure the trust and availability of the Ballina contingent, including David Brady.

Even more significant is the retention of Kieran Gallagher to offer some continuity; the atrocities and lessons of September 17 simply must be revisited and learned. John Maughan's biggest mistake was to pretend September 2004 never happened, and in doing so, wave the services of the sports psychologist Dr Aidan Moran away with it. He needed Moran more in '05 than he ever needed in '04, and Mickey Moran needed someone like his namesake to sift through that wreckage too. Instead Mickey made the crucial and arrogant mistake of deciding '04 was not his affair, and as another wise man once said, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. O'Mahony is a historian as well as a politician. Mayo's famine might continue during and after his term but the days of humiliation are over.

That will mean a greater pragmatism. While O'Mahony's Galway will always be remembered fondly by the purists, they could also adopt a blue-collar, hard-nosed ethos in Croke Park that Mayo have lacked since '97. Kieran Donaghy may go one-on-one with a Mayo basketballer again but never with a Mayo footballer.

James Nallen will never be assigned to Declan O'Sullivan again either.

Every player will have a specific role going onto a pitch, something too many Mayo players did not last September. O'Mahony is all for allowing players to express and reinvent themselves, as Frankie Dolan's rebirth as a playmaking centre-forward with St Brigid's this year underlines, but he will not allow it cross into overindulgence. While Michael Donnellan and Padraic Joyce did trespass across it, that was at a point when they were getting tired of O'Mahony and tired of winning. No Mayo player is at that juncture. Ciaran McDonald won't be told how to play but he will be advised how to play and will then be held to play that way. The days of him and anyone else wearing different match-day gear to the group is gone too. There is an individualistic, flamboyant streak to the Mayo character that when honed properly, is healthy, but when ignored or overindulged, is lethal and selfdestructive. O'Mahony knows that and will address that.

O'Mahony does not have all the answers. The last time he coached a Mayo-Galway game, he gave up a six-point lead to lose by six points;

Maughan and McHale looked the gurus on the line that day.

Mayo's current age-profile isn't that dissimilar to that Galway had in '03 and '04 (a bunch of veterans joined by an All Ireland-winning under-21 team), and Galway exited the championship tamely both years. He has a dismal bigmatch record against Kerry and a mediocre one against northern teams, sides Galway or Ballina never had to go through to win All Irelands but Mayo must.

He has the humility to go looking for answers though.

Martin Carney isn't giving up the Sunday Game gig, but he'll be free to advise O'Mahony the way he helped Maughan break down Tyrone's blanket defence in '04. O'Mahony won't fall out or retire players either, something the admirable but more confrontational, dogmatic Maughan was prone to do; instead, like the wonderful but aging Shane Curran, who couldn't get back into the Brigid's side this spring and summer just gone, they'll simply drift away.

Today, in Dr Hyde Park, his light but considerable touch will be at play in the Connacht club final. O'Mahony has had a long association with Brigid's since coaching them to the Roscommon county title in '98. Last year he was an advisor to manager Ger O'Dowd, and this year he has been one to team trainer Anthony Cunningham, the former Galway hurler. Today they encounter Corofin, a side backboned by Kieran Fitzgerald who he blooded with Galway. Brigid's have already overcome Connacht's outstanding team of the decade, Crossmolina, in this campaign, playing with intensity and, then, intelligence. You never saw two wing backs attacking simultaneously, or two midfielders jumping for the same ball. When they built up a fivepoint lead, their wing forwards took turns to play in their own backline. Today they might become the first Roscommon team to win a Connacht club title in 16 years.

But it's a much bigger and longer wait that will soon consume and define him.

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: MacDanger on November 27, 2006, 12:29:35 AM
QuoteInstead Mickey made the crucial and arrogant mistake of deciding '04 was not his affair, and as another wise man once said, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

If Mayo had won the all-ireland that would have been a master stroke but as they lost it's a crucial flaw..........what a load of bollix. likewise with the whole hill 16 thing, if they had lost then that would have been the big mistake
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Bod Mor on November 27, 2006, 01:43:45 AM
"He has a dismal bigmatch record against Kerry and a mediocre one against northern teams, sides Galway or Ballina never had to go through to win All Irelands but Mayo must."

Who wrote this drivel, from reading this you would swear that Galway and Ballina were handed their all Irelands. Correct me if I'm wrong but on All-Ireland Final day it's usually the 2 best teams in the country that come face to face.

"Kieran Donaghy may go one-on-one with a Mayo basketballer again but never with a Mayo footballer."

What is the suggestion here, that next time Mayo play Kerry, it'll be McGarrity (or Deora Marsh maybe?) marking Donaghy....whoever wrote this hasn't a shred of cop on.

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 27, 2006, 02:53:41 PM
Probobaly from one of the genius' from the Hogan Stand message board or an Indo journalist!!!!!! :D
Title: TG4 Wednesday night
Post by: ildanach on November 28, 2006, 10:48:47 AM
All Ireland Gold this wednesday. JOM's first (please God not the last) All ireland Final as mayo senior manager. If we had won this one it could have been so different
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 28, 2006, 11:13:09 AM
QuoteThe one thing I would say is that I will be lucky to be elected with Enda Kenny as leader and John O'Mahony as Mayo manager running alongside me. It is a very dangerous election for me with two high-profile candidates running as well."

Micheal tryin to ensure he gets his full backing
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Johno07 on November 28, 2006, 08:20:31 PM
 
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 28, 2006, 11:13:09 AM
QuoteThe one thing I would say is that I will be lucky to be elected with Enda Kenny as leader and John O'Mahony as Mayo manager running alongside me. It is a very dangerous election for me with two high-profile candidates running as well."

Micheal tryin to ensure he gets his full backing

Hes a "cute hoor" that Ring, he'll still top the poll by a mile anyway!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 28, 2006, 08:57:59 PM
QuoteHe has a dismal bigmatch record against Kerry and a mediocre one against northern teams, sides Galway or Ballina never had to go through to win All Irelands but Mayo must

Not sure I understand this quote from the Sunday Indo? Galway beat Derry in two All-Ireland semi-finals and beat Armagh on the way to winning Sam in 2001. Do they not count as northern counties? We lost to Donegal and Tyrone in recent years but the team was in decline by then. Generally we won the big games against Ulster teams under JOM. Shoddy journalism there.

True enough he didn't have a great record against Kerry but only for injuries to Ja Fallon and Kevin Walsh in 2000 we probably would have beaten them that year.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Duine Eile on November 28, 2006, 10:51:01 PM
If bloody Savage had passed the ball to Padraic Joyce we'd have won that year GBB!
Title: John Prenty from Ballyhaunis will be his Director of Elections
Post by: rosnarun on November 29, 2006, 09:20:47 AM
maybe we are all being had .anyone recognise the rest of his team? it looks a bit of a combined FG/GAA ticket I know the 1st 2 are GAA men what about the rest? and of course eugene
Mike Connelly, Hollymount; JJ O'Hara, Foxford; Imelda Kelly, Swinford; John Henry, Charlestown; Paddy Colleran, Charlestown; Jimmy Walsh, Claremorris; Frank Hyland, Ballindine; Paul O' Shea; Kiltimagh; Pat O'Connor, Swinford; Tom Garvey, Ballindine; Michael Sloyan, Bekan; John Kelly, Knock and PJ Hynes, Kilkelly. Local councillors Tom Connolly, John Cribbin, Eugene Lavin  and Joe Mellett are also expected to be at the forefront of Mr O'Mahony's campaign.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 29, 2006, 09:27:00 AM
People can be both FG and GAA.
Of course he'll use people from within the GAA circle for his campaign, sure these are fellas that he knows thru GAA but there was always going to be people like that to give him a hand
As far as I know JJ has been involved in politics.
Same with Pat O'connor, solicitor from swinford
Same with frank hyland
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 29, 2006, 09:56:45 AM
of course you can be involved in both it just im beginning to suspect its all been a ruse done for the nenfit of enda 'whats a ross port' kenny as o mahony himself hasn't a hope of being elected. celeb candidates liike this are much more about targeting a certain segment of the market and having the bulk of his handlers from the GAA would seem to prove this . very cynical
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 29, 2006, 10:06:20 AM
Again i wouldn't be so cynical, JOM has been involved in FG for along time, so of course FG would put up a high profile candidate to try and get the 3rd seat. And of course he's going to use his GAA connections its an election, he'll want every vote.
I wouldn't say ur cynical rather than naive if u think FG, enda kenny and JOm will do everything they can.

As for enda kenny not mentioning rossport, hardly surprising, i assume they have the same line as FF, a la bertie's "its not the time for talking its the time for building" comments.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 29, 2006, 06:09:51 PM
Well for the benefit of Mayo football I hope he doesn't get a seat. It'd mean more time spent training the squad and preparing for matches. i don't think he will get in though.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: OkeyDoke on November 30, 2006, 10:44:54 AM
Mayo squad are meeting with JOM on Sat morning
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 30, 2006, 11:15:10 AM
QuoteAgain i wouldn't be so cynical
when it comes to politics are you for real?

as for the Gas swap howth for rossport do  you think thant might change berties mind. basic facts are o manhony is being run as a sweeper to pick up the east mayo and general disaffected GAA Vote without any propect of being elected as with some many of Kennys Ideas a stunt
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: towinjustonce on November 30, 2006, 11:16:35 AM
it's all beginning to happen. I'd say the likes of Nallen, Brady, O'Neill can be encouraged to stay on for another year. Though the training regime the JOm will put in place will be a step or two up from the M&M reign, so expect lots of blood, sweat and tears.

As for Johnno getting elected. I'd say he'll pull 3,000 - 4,000 first preference votes by virtue of who he his and where he's coming from - but his transfers will elect John Carty. East Mayo will vote East Mayo.

Cnocmore - where did the handle Farrandellin come from?  
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on November 30, 2006, 01:40:27 PM
I do think the fact that he is manager may count against JOM come election day. Of course there are blueshirts who will stay blue and FFers who will stay true to their cause. But if you were sitting on the fence on the issue and are a Mayo GAA supporter and ask yourself what is in the best interests of Mayo football? I don't think having him in the Dail is the answer.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: muscles magoo on November 30, 2006, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: Barney on November 30, 2006, 01:40:27 PM
I do think the fact that he is manager may count against JOM come election day. Of course there are blueshirts who will stay blue and FFers who will stay true to their cause. But if you were sitting on the fence on the issue and are a Mayo GAA supporter and ask yourself what is in the best interests of Mayo football? I don't think having him in the Dail is the answer.

I don't know Barney. How about we elect him on the basis that he forgets about the whole Dail business save for drawing down his salary and expenses and channels all his time into the Mayo job. Saves a ball of money for the County board as the taxpayer will be stumping up Johnnos 'mileage expenses' and we have a full time dedicated manager/director of football for the next five years. If we like what we see, we'll re-elect him in 5 years time (thereby taking another decision from the CB). Sure 4 working TD's will do us grand anyway, we don't really need a fifth and with this type of package available we will be guaranteed to attract the very best of home grown talent to the job for years to come....
 
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on November 30, 2006, 02:28:17 PM
who me paranoid?. eho said that?

its all a ruse O mahony will get expenses from leinster house for travelling to dublin and then expenses to comeback down from the county board!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 30, 2006, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: towinjustonce on November 30, 2006, 11:16:35 AM
Cnocmore - where did the handle Farrandellin come from?  

It's the little townland where I live. At least I think it's called a townland!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: smelly fairy on November 30, 2006, 07:35:42 PM
Farrandeelin- that would sound a little like "Fear an Daoilin", which would have Crossmolina connotations dare I say.. Just a thought.. Stew on it!! ;D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 30, 2006, 07:41:11 PM
Fearann Dílín smelly fairy. And such work over my new login name!! ;)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: smelly fairy on November 30, 2006, 07:52:36 PM
Ah feck literal translations, no escaping the fact that it sounds like you're an out an out Crossmolina man with maroon blood, can see you catching your breakfast down by Deel Castle..
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 30, 2006, 07:54:34 PM
Thankfully I have no Crossmolina blood in me smellyfairy and am proud to come from the Parish of Backs! ;D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: smelly fairy on November 30, 2006, 08:01:47 PM
Well call yourself Saffron Sophia or something because I can't take you seriously otherwise. It's like McDanger- A Kmore man also- what's up with ye at all? Maybe ye're coming round to the maroon and white ideology..
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 01, 2006, 08:14:59 AM
Turncodin bastards the pair of them smelly.
Sure farrandeelin is nearly ardagh, naother hop and its out to the deel.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2006, 08:53:10 AM
Ahem... How am I a turncoat? ;) I still live in Knockmore and have never supported Crossmolina/Ballina while playing in Mayo and certainly do not come from little Ardagh!
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on December 01, 2006, 09:03:38 AM
Aren't you a Dub now?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 01, 2006, 09:39:57 AM
Sure farrandeelin is irish for I love cross isn't it?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on December 01, 2006, 11:14:42 AM
QuoteFormer Olympic coach Jim Kilty is likely to be involved with the Mayo footballers in the coming season.

New Mayo boss John O'Mahony is keen to recruit Kilty, who would not be involved on a full-time basis but would attend training once a week. O'Mahony has already named Kieran Gallagher and Tommy Lyons as his selectors, while RTE analyst Martin Carney will act as a statistician and video analyst.

Kilty served as athletics' director of coaching for a 10-year period and was also the Irish squad's track and field coach at the Olympic Games in Seoul (1988) and Atlanta (1996). These days, he is better known as coach to top Irish hurdler Derval O'Rourke, who won a silver medal at this year's European outdoor championships in Gothenburg.

Kilty has also worked with the Leinster rugby team as well as the Tipperary and Wexford hurlers. When Tipp won the All-Ireland title in 2001, Kilty's SAQ methods were credited with playing a big part in their success. He was also aboard when Wexford won the Leinster title in 2004.

Wow, JOM bringing things to a new level of preperation already it would seem.

Just a small thing, should we start a new thread/rename this one, now that we have our man and preperations are underway for new season?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Msgr. Horan on December 01, 2006, 11:41:52 AM
Good point, we should be at least discussing the first round of the NL in a new thread by now.
So the lads will be well able to vault over the sideline hordings in Croker during their goal celebrations
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 01, 2006, 12:11:43 PM
Love the handle msgr horan
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2006, 01:07:33 PM
I suppose we could rename this one to the handles thread! :D
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 01, 2006, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2006, 01:07:33 PM
I suppose we could rename this one to the handles thread! :D

Typical cross reply  :D

Anyway, great to see JOM bringing a level of professionalism to the mayo set-up already
Title: Re: Mysterious methods
Post by: AbbeySider on December 04, 2006, 03:53:53 PM
QuoteJim Kilty ...has also worked with the Leinster rugby team as well as the Tipperary and Wexford hurlers. When Tipp won the All-Ireland title in 2001, Kilty's SAQ methods were credited with playing a big part in their success...

I was curious and intrigued as to who exactly is this Kilty guy and what exactly are these mysterious SAQ methods; this is what I dug up...

SAQ
SAQ stands for Speed, Agility, Quickness. SAQ is a system of progressive exercise and instruction aimed at developing fundamental motor abilities to enhance the capability of players / athletes to be more skilful at faster speeds and with greater precision. SAQ Training plays an important role in motor co-ordination, acceleration, balance, agility and reaction development at all ages and at all levels. It can be incorporated into fitness programmes all year round - indoor and outdoor - in designated circuits, isolated drills, and integrated exercises, and most importantly, during ball work. The S.A.Q. spectrum covers everything from dynamic warm up and flexibility, to running and movement patterns, to explosive weight systems, to diet maintenance. Each piece of the S.A.Q. programme may be used individually or collectively and will generate tremendous results. Presently there are three levels of certification - SAQ Foundation AwardTM, SAQ Level 1 AwardTM , SAQ Level 2, SAQ Conditioning Award & SAQ Diploma

SAQ  Course Faciliator
Mr. Jim Kilty
is the former Director of Coaching with Athletics 1990-1999; Olympic Track and Field Coach 1988, 1996; Trainer to Tipperary Hurling Team 2001, 2002; He has also worked with inter-county football teams, the Leinster Rugby team as well as the UCD Rugby team. He is Director of S.A.Q. Ireland, a Company which offers coach education packages to N.G.B.'s, County Boards, Clubs and individual coaches who are engaged in all aspects of sport from juvenile to performance.

taken from http://www.waterfordsportspartnership.ie/saqcourse.shtml



It all sounds very exciting. They guy seems to know what he is talking about anyway! I hope they will concentrate on size and power too.
Looking forward to seeing some of this in action next year...

Its all getting very professional indeed

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: criostlinn on December 04, 2006, 04:32:50 PM
Good to see O'Mahoney getting a good crew on board. Only thing is I dont think we ever had a problem with fitness in the last 10 years. These players need to be toughened up pysically and mentally and I wonder what Johno has in store to do this.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: highorlow on December 04, 2006, 08:40:15 PM
Quote
Mayo hurlers have launched a broadside at the county board for dispensing of the services of team manager Frank Browne.

Despite making great progress with the Westerners last year, Browne was sensationally sacked after county board officials felt he had spent too much money on basic equipment which most top club sides would take for granted.

The board was also unhappy about the fact that Browne held training sessions three times a week, despite being instructed to train them only twice to keep costs down.

"We're all shocked by the decision because Frank had already put a lot of plans ready to start next year," said Mayo hurler Derek Walsh.

"It's hard to understand why he didn't get the job again, especially after the year we had last year. 2007 will be the most important year for Mayo hurling for a long time because with the way the league is being restructured for 2008, what grade you play in is determined by how well you do in the league this year.

"If we're left idling any longer, then we're going to be in really serious trouble."

               

This is probably on the Mayo Hurling Thread but i thought i'd post it here since Money is the issue.

Obviously the cut backs have started on the Hurling since Johnno has started shopping.

As long as the CB stay clear of Johnno and the footballers i don't mind. We can worry about Liam after we get SAM and defend him again in 2008!


Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on December 05, 2006, 10:14:16 AM
 
Quote from: highorlow on December 04, 2006, 08:40:15 PM
Quote
As long as the CB stay clear of Johnno and the footballers i don't mind. We can worry about Liam after we get SAM and defend him again in 2008!
this sounds like its from a more  benign county board member,
well look after ye but not yet. do you really each need a hurl each and didnt you buy a hurly ball last year if you've lost it just use a tennis ball
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: sheskin on December 05, 2006, 10:59:26 AM
Delighted to see Jim Kilty involved. Never does things by halves. If the setup is not right and the players are not giving 100% he will walk but I cannot see the players not responding to him. Coach to Dervilla O'Rourke. No barking or shouting but every move analyised. It will take time but the players efficiency in movement will improve dramatically.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on December 05, 2006, 10:59:35 AM
Some people on here seem to think that anything they disagree with is posted by a member of the county board.  

The paranoia is something fierce
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on December 05, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
and some people cant seperate sarcasm from Irony.
What would people reaction be if th ecounty board said we cant afford Jom Kilty because we need to spend more on hurling?.
BTW
do they ever have combined sessions whre kily could help the hurdlers too?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: magpie seanie on December 05, 2006, 12:52:40 PM
Is (over use of) SAQ not blamed for causing Gilmore groin injuries? I assume that Kilty would know more than a lot of folk who latched on to these methods and over used them in the past though.

Anyone confirm what I'm saying?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on December 05, 2006, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 05, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
and some people cant seperate sarcasm from Irony.
What would people reaction be if th ecounty board said we cant afford Jom Kilty because we need to spend more on hurling?.
BTW
do they ever have combined sessions whre kily could help the hurdlers too?

There would be uproard, and rightly so.  But nothing should be allowed detract from attempts to win Sam.  Nothing.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Tubberman on December 07, 2006, 10:18:37 AM
I see JOM's article hasn't been update on westernpeople.ie
Has he finished that, now that he's taken up manager's role? What's the position re Mid-West, Sunday Game etc does anyone know?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on December 07, 2006, 10:44:12 AM
and the irish times . thats a lot of moolah to give up to become mayo manager, though maybe it'd have to come to an end any due to his polictical involvement. I tjink after the 1st of januray the election rules regaurding media exposure come into play
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: the bucket on December 07, 2006, 02:04:20 PM

There would be uproard, and rightly so.  But nothing should be allowed detract from attempts to win Sam.  Nothing.
Quote

So all the hurling people in mayo BTW who are born and bred mayo people not some aliens from a foregin planet have to be sacrificed so that SAM can be brought home how sad that is, and I'm sure the vast majority of mayo people would think the same.

If natural justice is to prevail then my friends SAM Maguire will be a long time coming home.
You cant treat people the way mayo hurling is been treated and expect good fortune and luck
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on December 07, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
Question was asked:
Quotedo they ever have combined sessions whre kily could help the hurdlers too?

Pitas said:
QuoteThere would be uproard, and rightly so.  But nothing should be allowed detract from attempts to win Sam.  Nothing.

the bucket said:
Quote from: the bucket on December 07, 2006, 02:04:20 PM
...so all hurlers... have to be sacrificed so that SAM can be brought home... how sad that is, and I'm sure the vast majority of mayo people would think the same.


In fairness combining the two sessions where Mayo footballers and hurlers would train together is a joke and there would be uproar.


the bucket also said:
Quote from: the bucket on December 07, 2006, 02:04:20 PM
If natural justice is to prevail then my friends SAM Maguire will be a long time coming home.
You cant treat people the way mayo hurling is been treated and expect good fortune and luck

You can continue to be superstitious and believe in fortune and luck. Others can believe in curses over the mayo team...
but while your all counting stars and barking at the moon both Mayo hurling and football teams should be given all the facilities that they require and
no comparisons should be drawn between them. I can see you trying to stir an argument here. (Mayo Hurling Vs Football)

And to say that "if natural justice is to prevail" we shouldn't win an All-Ireland because of the way the county board treated the hurlers?

I can see your disgruntled but thats pure nonsense !
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: the bucket on December 07, 2006, 03:53:14 PM
you are right football is king in mayo and that is the way it was, is, and always will be but all we want is fair play is that not much to ask for, maybe to some it seems to be.

how could you have an argument with people who don't believe in justice luck or good fortune but i forget ye are men of faith.

Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on December 07, 2006, 05:04:24 PM
QuoteIn fairness combining the two sessions where Mayo footballers and hurlers would train together is a joke and there would be uproar

I dont think this kilty guy will be doing any skills coaching so i dont see it would be that big a deal to combine the too for specialist fitness stuff. A tem with an above average level of fitness/strenght can go a long way despite a lower level of skill look at the clare hurlers or the armagh/dublin footballers.

My other question what cutbacks to the football training woulld Omahony or indeed the fans allow ro help the hurling team. the monet spent has to come from somewhere?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 07, 2006, 05:09:28 PM
I think, and am open to correction, but the level of fitness and intensity between the footballers and the hurlers would make this an unviable option. Mayo in football are one of the top team, mayo hurlers are second tier at a stretch, no insult or hurt meant.
I do think the removal of browne is riduculous, he has done some fantastic things with the mayo hurlers and brought them back to a level where they were in the mid 90's, without their star player for a lot of it.
This sort of penny pinching shows that the mayo co board is only paying lipservice to the idea of developing mayo hurling
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Barney on December 07, 2006, 05:17:25 PM
Just to brighten your day

QuoteMr. Waldron also confirmed that next week's county board convention (Tuesday, December 12, in Julian's of Midfield) will be one of the least eventful in recent years.


"There are actually no motions going before convention. I suppose the big thing this year was the appointment of a new senior manager so convention will be a quiet affair with just some by-laws to be ironed out."



So the status quo remains. As I've said before we get what we deserve.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: rosnarun on December 07, 2006, 05:24:06 PM
A lot if not most of the mayo posters here are exiles of on form another and i think may  have a different agenda or view point to people working in the club who put forward these motions . after all they finally got their man this year and as regaurd the hurling no one seems to have stood up publicly to defend mr Browne nor does he seem to have complained himself and the league changes bad as though they seem have gone through a lot of debate within the county.
are we letting our righteousness blind us?
Title: no movement regarding deck-chairs on the titanic
Post by: towinjustonce on December 07, 2006, 05:36:05 PM
the Status quo surely Barney

It would be too much to expect a freshening up on the county board committee. I suppose we should be just grateful that "we" got our man in Johnno.  But as sure as eggs are eggs - these ol cowboys will be back to haunt mayo football once again. Hopefully in the distant future, but they have some track record over the years of incompetancy and unprofessionalism

congrats to Ray dempsey on taking over the minors. looks like he has a good backroom team in place and there's a good crop of young fellas coming through the ranks too so hopefully the future will be brightish.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on December 07, 2006, 11:06:08 PM
Quote from: the bucket on December 07, 2006, 03:53:14 PM
you are right football is king in mayo and that is the way it was, is, and always will be but all we want is fair play is that not much to ask for, maybe to some it seems to be.

how could you have an argument with people who don't believe in justice luck or good fortune but i forget ye are men of faith.



Bucket I do believe in justice. I do not believe in superstition, fortune and luck.

I dont understand who you are referring to when you say "ye". Its smacks of paranoia. If by "ye" you mean supporters of the county senior football team then you are creating a divide between Mayo Hurling Vs Football again. Everyone here and any GAA supporter in the county want to see Mayo hurlers do well and get funded and looked after properly.

And what has that spiteful "faith" remark has to do with anything?

Im not picking on the hurlers. The only thing I do not agree with however is your statements that Mayo dont deserve to win Sam because the county board skrewed over the hurlers. That was a daft statement.

You were wronged and we are all on your side. I would like to see fair play for the hurlers too.
But I dont like your lack of solidarity with Mayo Gaa in general. Stop the silly "ye" business. We are all the one so stop creating a divide.
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: dodo on December 08, 2006, 03:31:13 AM
Stephenite, can you rename this thread from New Mayo Manager to something like Mayo County Footballers and Hurlers ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 08, 2006, 03:37:20 AM
Done
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: dodo on December 08, 2006, 03:40:08 AM
Top man  :)
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Pietas on December 08, 2006, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: the bucket on December 07, 2006, 02:04:20 PM

There would be uproard, and rightly so.  But nothing should be allowed detract from attempts to win Sam.  Nothing.
Quote

So all the hurling people in mayo BTW who are born and bred mayo people not some aliens from a foregin planet have to be sacrificed so that SAM can be brought home how sad that is, and I'm sure the vast majority of mayo people would think the same.

If natural justice is to prevail then my friends SAM Maguire will be a long time coming home.
You cant treat people the way mayo hurling is been treated and expect good fortune and luck

If natural justice prevailed we'd have won Sam in '96.  Natural justice never prevails.  That's the way of the world.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 08, 2006, 11:21:54 AM
We should have some craic next week with the County Secretarys report being made available to the press.

I reckon there are good odds that the Board is going to be mentioned and that some members here will be criticised.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: towinjustonce on December 08, 2006, 12:00:09 PM
I just hope Sean doesn't make a tit of himself again this year when giving his annual secreatary report.

with any luck, he won't mention the padraig nally retrial, the war in iraq or the state of the roads in erris

nice photo of our esteemed treasuer JP in this week's mayo news
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: Cllr Willie Power on December 08, 2006, 09:08:06 PM
Quote from: Barney on December 07, 2006, 05:17:25 PM
Just to brighten your day

QuoteMr. Waldron also confirmed that next week's county board convention (Tuesday, December 12, in Julian's of Midfield) will be one of the least eventful in recent years.


"There are actually no motions going before convention. I suppose the big thing this year was the appointment of a new senior manager so convention will be a quiet affair with just some by-laws to be ironed out."



So the status quo remains. As I've said before we get what we deserve.


Well Barney, I can only speak for my own club but there was no discussion or mention of anything relating to the County scene at our A.G.M., it focused purely on the club. Judging by the Chairmans comments, I can only assume it was the same with the rest of the clubs?

The Secretarys report will be interesting alright - the Padraig Nally case is back in the news, perhaps a mention of the Rossport Five as well this year for good measure?  :-X If there is a reference to the Board you can be sure that it wont be singing its praises anyway!  :P One thing it probably wont mention though is the current fiasco with the Hurling scene - or the whole debacle surrounding M&Ms departure. Their will be nothing that will reflect the Board in a negative light.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 09, 2006, 10:35:29 AM
It has started  ;D

QuoteA leading GAA figure in Mayo has called for an end to what he has labelled "downtown black pudding" debate about the county's senior football team and management.

After a trying close to 2006, when the county board and the Mickey Moran-led senior team management parted ways after just one season, county board secretary Seán Feeney has criticised what he described as uninformed discussion on the county team set-up.

Feeney, who was critical of Moran's regime during a season that saw Mayo battle their way to an All-Ireland final only to lose heavily to Kerry, made his comments in his report to the board's annual convention.

"The appointment of Mickey Moran and John Morrison did not meet with universal approval, and was debated ad nauseam on local radio," said Feeney.

"It was again debated ad nauseam when the partnership broke up and the officers of the board shook hands and decided to move on, as was in the agreement.

"We have too much of the downtown black pudding stuff and a little more enlightened debate would lift the tone rather than feeding fodder to the vulgar who are always willing to bite."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 10, 2006, 08:53:34 PM
 ;D ;D

I'm not vulgar :o
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the bucket on December 11, 2006, 10:25:39 AM
what in gods name is downtown black pudding debate are they referring to Mick Byrne's on a Monday night where everybody gets black pudding etc and talk about football.
BTW i never said we did not deserve SAM i said it would be a long time coming which is true and everybody would hope SAM will come to mayo but you can bet your bottom dollar with that county board shower still there they will always be something in the back of our minds that they are only waiting to ruin things again
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: towinjustonce on December 11, 2006, 10:35:06 AM
you could nearly set your watch by poor auld sean - he's getting as predictable as a Mayo Kerry AI final

Mid west radio will be none too pleased by his swipe

as for the black pudding reference - enough said. understood.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Msgr. Horan on December 11, 2006, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Barney on December 09, 2006, 10:35:29 AM
It has started  ;D

QuoteA leading GAA figure in Mayo has called for an end to what he has labelled "downtown black pudding" debate about the county's senior football team and management.

After a trying close to 2006, when the county board and the Mickey Moran-led senior team management parted ways after just one season, county board secretary Seán Feeney has criticised what he described as uninformed discussion on the county team set-up.

Feeney, who was critical of Moran's regime during a season that saw Mayo battle their way to an All-Ireland final only to lose heavily to Kerry, made his comments in his report to the board's annual convention.

"The appointment of Mickey Moran and John Morrison did not meet with universal approval, and was debated ad nauseam on local radio," said Feeney.

"It was again debated ad nauseam when the partnership broke up and the officers of the board shook hands and decided to move on, as was in the agreement.

"We have too much of the downtown black pudding stuff and a little more enlightened debate would lift the tone rather than feeding fodder to the vulgar who are always willing to bite."

Well if theres a bit of black pudding going I'm always willing to bite.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 11, 2006, 01:59:32 PM
Anybody hear anything about the panel training at the minute. According to the Mayo Advertiser McDonald travelled from Cork for the first meeting so that's a positive.

Any newcomers. Any exits?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 12, 2006, 12:06:56 PM
Work for 2007 has started in earnest according to the Mayo News. Some new faces and five players not returning. James Gill probably the biggest suprise here:

QuoteTHE initial Mayo senior football panel held their first collective session under newly appointed trainer Jim Kilty on Sunday last at the brand new Elverys Gym at An Sportlann, Castlebar.
An initial open-ended squad believed to contain approximately forty players has been assembled and they were given both stretching and weight programmes by Kilty during a three-hour session.
"We're feeling our way into things and we will have a look at a lot of players," selector Tommy Lyons told The Mayo News last night. "It's important to emphasise that the panel is open ended, we will be looking at other players continuously and if a player's club form merits it, we'll bring him in."
Of the 2006 panel there were no retirements with experienced players like Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, David Heaney, James Nallen, Kevin O'Neill and Aidan Higgins all on board. However, Pat Kelly, James Gill, John Healy, Colum Lyons and Stephen Carolan are not involved at the moment.
Of the new faces there is a sizeable quota from the All-Ireland U-21 winning side with players like Mark Ronaldson, Kenneth O'Malley, Tom Cunniffe and Ger Cafferkey among those called in.
Former inter-county players, Marty McNicholas, Gary Mullins and Pat Navin are all back in harness after a year out while Mickey Mullins of Claremorris and Barry Kelly of Ballaghaderreen are among those rewarded for outstanding club performances this season.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 12, 2006, 12:08:57 PM
Is Feeney having a dig at M & M in the last paragraph here?

QuoteMAYO GAA Secretary Sean Feeney was at his colourful best as he fired a shot across the bows of the media in his annual report to the County Convention.
Without actually naming names, Feeney seemed to single out Mid West Radio for special mention. The County Secretary said that the appointment of Mickey Moran and John Morrison was debated "ad nauseam" on local radio and lamented the fact that "we have too much of the downtown black pudding stuff".
"The prophets were predicting that in 2006 Mayo would win an All-Ireland senior title but it wasn't to be even though few thought that we would reach one," wrote Feeney.
"The appointment of Mickey Moran and John Morrison did not meet with universal approval and was debated ad nauseam on local radio. It was again debated ad nauseam when the partnership broke up and the officers of the board shook hands and decided to move on as was in the agreement.
"There is no better county for debating issues on radio and in the press than Mayo but it would be great if there were a little more fact and accuracy and less fiction.
"We have too much of the downtown black pudding stuff and a little more enlightened debate would lift the tone rather than feeding fodder to the vulgar who are always willing to bite."
The outspoken Secretary went on to say that "Mayo has a lot to do" and was adamant that despite the impressive manner of the All-Ireland semi-final win over Dublin, "there were cracks ready to open wide".
"To get back to real football the defeat in the All-Ireland Final by Kerry was devastating and, in particular, since it happened within two years against the same opposition," offered Feeney.
"Perhaps we read too much into the victory over Dublin. Perhaps they too underestimated Mayo. That's the beauty about sport, no-one can predict with certainty. One thing is certain – Mayo has a lot to do. It's easy to talk about winning but it's a matter of making the necessary sacrifices to achieve it...
"The pundits had a field day, describing this game [All-Ireland semi-final] as one of the greatest ever but on mature reflection and analysis there were cracks ready to open wide."

ELSEWHERE, the Secretary paid tribute to the achievements of the All-Ireland winning Mayo U-21 football team and singled out Pat Holmes, Noel Connelly, Michéal Collins and one John O'Mahony for special mention.
"The scenes in Ennis after the final whistle will be cherished for many a long day. The success of this team proved that with a good management structure, good back-up, and a group of skilful players ready and willing to do battle anything is possible.
"Well done to the management team...I also wish to acknowledge the role John O'Mahony played in the background...It was a pleasure to work with the management team who ran a professional campaign."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 12, 2006, 12:35:03 PM
Sounds like a dig alright

On the western O'mahony has said that all the players are back available, which means that these lads are off thru choice?

Barry Moran has got a scholarship in limerick, fair play.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 12, 2006, 01:33:31 PM
Sure sounds like a dig to me. Whatever about Gill not being involved, Pat Kelly is the one that caught my eye as the players that are not involved.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 12, 2006, 01:52:20 PM
Barney's Quote:
Quote...However, Pat Kelly, James Gill, John Healy, Colum Lyons and Stephen Carolan are not involved at the moment.
Of the new faces there is a sizeable quota from the All-Ireland U-21 winning side with players like Mark Ronaldson, Kenneth O'Malley, Tom Cunniffe and Ger Cafferkey among those called in.
Former inter-county players, Marty McNicholas, Gary Mullins and Pat Navin are all back in harness after a year out while Mickey Mullins of Claremorris and Barry Kelly of Ballaghaderreen are among those rewarded for outstanding club performances this season.


:o


A few threads back I said:

Quote
Re: New Mayo Manager
« Reply #107 on: November 21, 2006, 01:53:45 PM »

...I dont think James Nallen will get a start in next years championship....

Anyway no offense to the players but to 'trim the fat' I think JOM will have little time for....
John Healy, Pat Kelly, Trevor Howley, James Gill, Stephen Carolan, C Lyons

I wasnt that far off the Mark at all! (apart from Howley... )
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 12, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
Kudos to u abbeysider, good call

Bad call on howley though, next No. 6, in the mould of peter butler
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 12, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
think your being a bit paranoid looking for insults in his Praise for the un21's. I think its more of a case of keeping the boys onside as they are probably disapponited to be overlooked for the big job . while getting to lick JoM ass at the same time.

on the playing side delighted to see Marty McNicholas  he really is the kind of player who can make a difference. but the years are flying by for him let hope he stays injury free
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 12, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
Quote"To get back to real football the defeat in the All-Ireland Final by Kerry was devastating and, in particular, since it happened within two years against the same opposition," offered Feeney.

any one detect a note of glee in this statement from the long ball mayo tradional football feeney
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 12, 2006, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 12, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
Bad call on howley though, next No. 6

If Howley can make it as a successful No.6 for mayo, fair play to him, doesn't have what it takes for this position in my opinon, not to say he could not be accomadated elsewhere
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: venter on December 13, 2006, 08:44:25 AM
I'd rate Howley fairly highly. I wouldnt mind seeing him getting a run there in the league. A lot of the potential replacements are not a patch on Jimmy Nallen to be honest, but they have to be tried at some stage.  I'm surprised if David Kilcullen was not called into the panel. Is Enda Devenney back in the panel?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 13, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 12, 2006, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 12, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
Bad call on howley though, next No. 6

If Howley can make it as a successful No.6 for mayo, fair play to him, doesn't have what it takes for this position in my opinon, not to say he could not be accomadated elsewhere

Stephenite from watching him over the past year i really think he has, I haven't seen a better reader of the ball in mayo for a long time, it just seeks like he knows exactly where the ball is going to break to and he's always there.
Not a man-marker which is where most people have seen him play but if he's put marking the space at No. 6 you'll see what i'm talking about
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Maradona on December 13, 2006, 09:41:41 AM
I'd have Liam O'Malley a good bit ahead of Howley at No.6. Howley has never over impressed me the few times he has played for Mayo. Think he needs to really get into contension for a starting place first
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 13, 2006, 09:51:27 AM
Like i said, anytime you've seen howley its as a man-marker, which IMO doesn't suit his game, for knockmore he marks the space, reads the game excellently and drives forward with the ball. I also think O'Mahony has seen this a few times this yr with the senior semi and the U-21 championship
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 13, 2006, 10:44:22 AM
I'd rate Howley highly. The great thing about him is that he is brave and will go for everything. Not afraid of the hit, but the downside is any misjudgment can be costly. The two best games I have seen him play were at u21 against Galway in last years Connacht, and against Armagh in the AI in 2004. At the moment I don't see him as a centre-half back though. Would he be a better option than Gardiner? It may not go down well but Peadar has been shown up in two All Irelands. His defensive skills need serious work.

So just an attempt then to build up the panel from what we read in the Mayo News:

From 2006:

Clarke
Geraghty
Heaney
Keith Higgins
Aidan Higgins
Nallen
Gardiner
McGarrity
Harte
Bilie Joe
Ger Brady
Dillon
Conor Mortimer
O'Neill
McDonald
Trevor Mortimer
Liam O'Malley
Howley
David Brady
Regan
Austin O'Malley
Kilcoyne
Andy Moran
Barry Moran

New additions
Kenneth O'Malley
Cafferkey
Cuniiffe
Ronaldson
McNicholas
Mullins
Navin
Mickey Mullins
Barry Kelly

Anybody missing there. The quality of the players added shows that we have a good pick in the county. Many players are probably much of a muchness though and equal to anything outside of Mayo but hopefully some can develop star quality.

Since the panel is open-ended I think we should try and keep this updated as the year goes on.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 13, 2006, 10:55:23 AM
I was very impressed with Howley the first couple of times I saw him play (FBD and start of last year's Nat league).
But for the U-21s he was poor in both the semi-final and final. He made a lot of basic handling errors.
Maybe that was just a slump he was going through, but surely if he's been spoken about as CHB for the senior team, then he should have been one of the top performers for the U-21s.
I'd have more confidence in Liam O'Malley filling the CHB berth (or maybe FB).
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 13, 2006, 12:02:11 PM
Barney, you've left out Michael Conroy from the 2006 panel. Enda Devenney is back in and Seamus O'Shea, Chris Barrett and Aidan Campbell from the Under 21's. Also heard Sean Ryder's and Brendan Prendergast's names mentioned but cannot be certain on them.

The panel at the minute looks like this so I think

Goalkeepers
David Clarke
Kenneth O'Malley

Defenders
Keith Higgins
Dermot Geraghty
David Heaney
Ger Cafferkey
Aidan Higgins
James Nallen
Peadar Gardiner
Trevor Howley
Chris Barrett
Sean Ryder
Gary Mullins
Pat Navin
Liam O'Malley
Brendan Prendergast
Enda Devenney

Midfielders
Ronan McGarrity
David Brady
Pat Harte
Barry Moran
Seamus O'Shea
Barry Kelly

Forwards
Billy Padden
Ger Brady
Alan Dillon
Conor Mortimer
Kevin O'Neill
Ciaran McDonald
Michael Conroy
Aidan Kilcoyne
Trevor Mortimer
Barry Regan
Austin O'Malley
Mark Ronaldson
Andy Moran
Aidan Campbell
Mickey Mullins
Marty McNicholas

That's 39 of a supposed 40. Does anyone know anyone else involved. Interesting squad, don't think there's too many not involved that are hard done by. Quite a few lads brought on from the U21's
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on December 14, 2006, 01:19:38 AM
Sniper - Thats a comprehensive lineup. Good to see ure keeping ure finger on the pulse. Im assuming you have inside info. Myself, and Im sure all the other posters here, would be greteful if you could keep us informed of incomings/outgoings from the panel. You can take it that you are appointed official PRO for the Mayo football panel on this site for 2007 (review after first year)..... Any seconders for that?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 14, 2006, 01:36:19 AM
Quote from: highking on December 14, 2006, 01:19:38 AM
You can take it that you are appointed official PRO for the Mayo football panel on this site for 2007 (review after first year)..... Any seconders for that?

Ah politics - I'd need to know what club he is from before I could consider voting on this particular issue ;) :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Maradona on December 14, 2006, 09:58:13 AM
Comprehensive panel maybe, but there are a few in there that have been tried and tested before and didn't produce. I really don't think M&M left anyone out unjustly last year, so the real additions are likely to come from players involved last year that come on a lot (potential there for the likes of Barry Regan, Howley, Kilcoyne, Barry Moran, Higgins, etc) and from some of the new U21 additions (Campbell, Barrett, etc). Unfortunately no one in that group has the attributes the team are crying out for in the physical stakes. We need to address our lack of physically throughout the team, but particularly in the FB and FF lines. Suggestions for these lines would be:

FB: Heaney Brady Higgins
FF C Mortimer P Harte C McDonald / T Mortimer

I think Brady should put his money where his mouth is – we have been hearing for the last 3-4 years about how he has been battered and bruised, not much left in the ould legs, etc. Well if he wants to be involved, then he needs to be able to play for 70 minutes. I mean the lad isn't THAT old! There is much less mobility required in FB than in MF. Whatever he lacks in pace, he could make up in fear factor to his opponent. A sort of Mick Lyons maybe. Only thing he would need to be much more disciplined. Think Heaney should play alongside as a good big mobile support, To be honest I am tired of seeing fellas as small as myself in the FB line. It don't work.

Equally so we need a physical presence at FF. Would hate to have to sacrifice Harte from MF, but he is the only one that has the physicality, mobility and scoring power to fill the role. Don't think Barry Moran has that ability.

And above all we have to get more physical and play with controlled aggression. We are too f*cking nice! You don't have to workout for 3 years solid to be aggressive......it comes from the soul!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 14, 2006, 10:01:08 AM
I would say its an absolute stone clad certainty that harte will not be midfield next year.
Lyons has played him as a wing forward as will continue to do so, and rightly so according to the stephenite lads, meant to be his best position by far
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Maradona on December 14, 2006, 01:15:54 PM
How could it be so stone clad given that he was our find of the season in MF last year but had not managed to break in as a forward? No point in moving him to the HF just because he has played there for Ballina (actually saw Ballina once this year v Shrule and he was playing MF) as we are reasonably healthy in the HF with whats there and with whats coming thro. Mentioned him for FF cos we really heed to address our lack of ball winning capability up there. Plus these days you also need some mobility in that position. Dont see anyone else that might succeed other than maybe a more physical Barry Moran. Harte could beacome a vicitim of his versitility (a al Heaney)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 14, 2006, 02:20:15 PM
High King as honorable as your nomination is I'll have to withdraw. Don't worry if i hear anything I'll mention it here. Was talking to someone involved, that's how I got most of those names.
It'll be interesting to see who is tried out in what positions.
At full-back now there is two alternative options in Ger Cafferkey and Paddy Navin. Whether either can step up remains to be seen. Of course there is also Liam O'Malley but I get the feeling he could, and this is something I completely disagreed with a year ago, be Mayo's next centre-half back.
Tom Cunniffe is an option there but like Cafferkey might need more time. Brendan Prendergast has been excellent there for Tourmak' but pace could be a problem on dry ground. Trevor Howley possibly but think he will be better in the corner.
I think Harte will be a wing-forward for Mayo, probably at Billy Joe's expense with McGarrity alongside Moran probably but either Barry Kelly or Seamus O'Shea could make the step up too. Think DB will just be used off the bench.
Full-forward, think Trevor is due another go.

At the minute, and an awful lot can change, I think this could shape up to be the Mayo team for the start of the league

David Clarke
Trevor Howley  Paddy Navin   James Nallen
Keith Higgins   Liam O'Malley  Peadar Gardiner
  Ronan McGarrity   Barry Moran
Pat Harte  Ger Brady   Alan Dillon
Conor Mortimer  Trevor Mortimer  Kevin O'Neill

I think McD may be rested for a while in the league but that eventually he will be looked at as an orthodox number 11, and not drifting from 15. The same goes for Heaney. Think Keith Higgins best suited to wing back, Nallen may be given a run at corner back but could be on the bench come championship while Aidan Higgins may just miss out
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 14, 2006, 02:40:47 PM
Cafferkey isn't ready yet for senior inter-county but the experience of training with them will do him the world of good and apparently his injury isn't a s bad as he thought and is coming along nicely

My team for the championship, and theres a long way to go yet,

David Clarke
Liam O'Malley  James Nallen   David Heaney
Keith Higgins   Trevor Howley Peadar Gardiner
  Ronan McGarrity   AN Other
Pat Harte  Ger Brady   Alan Dillon
Conor Mortimer  Trevor Mortimer  MacDanger

Midfield i'm still not convinced by barry moran, I dont think seamie o'shea has come on as he was expected to.
The 2 options in my mind would be DB, like someone said stop being a fat b@stard and get out and play (I'm paraphrasing  ;))
He's not that old
or barry kelly
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Post by: OkeyDoke on December 14, 2006, 04:27:43 PM
I can't see how T Howley will be at no.6 before Nallen or Heaney -  he's not ready for it yet. I don't know if he has the temperament to make it to the top as i've seen him playing a few times last year and he mixes the very good with the very bad. He seems to lack concentration at vital times.
I know you said that he's very good at club level but inter county is miles ahead of it.
I would like to see him start in the corner and if he proves himself there foe a year or 2, then bring him out - kinda like an apprenticeship :P
Also, Heaney at corner back ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 14, 2006, 04:47:27 PM
I dont think TH will ever make it as a corner back, he lacks the height, a trait that kerry have twice keyed in on in our FB line.
And i'll expect ye to be saying "we were wrong, u were right, we're the worst, ur the best" some time next summer  :D :) ;)
Just as rosnarun had to do this year on chuckie!

I think heaney can be a corner back, why not?
Has good height, and solid enough not to get turned, donaghy excepting
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Post by: Farrandeelin on December 14, 2006, 05:01:34 PM
Would you be confident to see Nallen marking Donaghy at full-back Mayo4Sam? I don't think I would.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OkeyDoke on December 14, 2006, 05:06:14 PM
I just don't think he's a good enough man-marker for corner back - the same goes for J Nallen at No.3. My full back line would prob be     K Higgins   L O Malley  A Higgins/T Howley
They need to be tried out in the league but it is the only line on Mayo's team that needs a major shuffle
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Post by: Maradona on December 14, 2006, 06:21:27 PM
Gees, you are going from small to smaller with that FB line! Thats why we need to put big men in that line once and for all. Of course Heaney Brady Higgins(A) would be my choise - all teams are going to be targeting FB lines in terms of high ball given the success that Kerry had this year. I know Brady played not even a full game there in his career, but he lived with Donaghy more than anyone did. You would have to say that Donaghy had some fear once DB was introduced - he had absoutely non before. But above all Mayo have to start becoming ruthless in every position. I'm a purist, but Mayo have always played fairly pure and non agressive and it will never pay off. We have to look at sacrificing players who just may not be able to provide that agressiveness, even if they have the required football ability. I can only say IMHO the only players of the current squad that play with anything near the level of agression required are D Brady, L O'Malley, P Harte, T Mortimer, K O'Neill.
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Post by: MacDanger on December 15, 2006, 01:29:33 AM
QuoteI can only say IMHO the only players of the current squad that play with anything near the level of agression required are D Brady, L O'Malley, P Harte, T Mortimer, K O'Neill.

I wouldn't rank Kevin O'N up there as an aggressive player or even a ball winner. He needs good supply to do the damage rather than balls he has to work too hard for. You're right though, we do need more aggression all round, more players like Brosnan/Galvin/Cavanagh/Dooher are needed. Billie Joe and Ger B are supposed to be filling this role at the moment but maybe not well enough??

DB will never play full back for Mayo. Why?? Because he is not a natural defender; Joyce, O'Neill, Keaney would all skin him alive. Brady is best played at midfield with maybe twenty minutes at FF if he's knackered.

The way people are focusing on Donaghy (i know he was the big star of the year), you'd swear the high ball was a tactic invented by Jack O'C this summer!!! Donaghy (or any wannabes) won't have the same effect next year when teams are better adjusted - this doesn't mean finding a 6ft 7 full back though. Not sure who we will stick in there but if nobody new comes along, I'd go with Nallen and play heaney on the 40. Hopefully some of the younger crop will step up.

What about Billie Joe at FF?? He played 30 minutes there in the 05 connacht final when no high ball came in to him and since then the tactic has been abandoned. I would like to see him playing in there for a few games, he can catch the ball and despite some of his shooting last year, he is still a good man to get a score unless he has completely lost his accuracy from underage.

What about any of the Ballagh men?? Anybody know if any of them - backs specifically - are good enough to step up??
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Post by: dodo on December 15, 2006, 01:50:03 AM
Haven't seen him mentioned in relation to FF but surely Austie O'Malley is deserving of a go. MM stuck by him through last years league when his form had dipped and  he repaid this faith by starting to score again. I know he had his injuries but he didn't feature really during the summer. There has been a school of thought that the dry pitches don't suit him but surely he is deserving of a chance.

As regards Brady at full back I agree totally with MacDanger. He'd be ate there. A specialist FB is preferable but of course we have to play the cards dealt to us. Playing James Nallen at FB is IMO not going to work either. When the legs are gone they are gone, sentimentality is undeserving of a place. He has been a huge servant to Mayo over the years and I sincerely hope he doesn't regret staying on for a year too long. I have faith in O'Mahoney that he will sort out the defence as best as he can.
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Post by: Bod Mor on December 15, 2006, 03:15:42 AM
Lads playing James Nallen at Full back is definetly not an option and O'Mahony would be digging his own grave if he chose that option.
Here is an example, I remember watching the League semi final against Armagh last year. I was on Hill 16, Nallen was moved into Full back to mark Ronan Clarke, he got an awful roasting from him, Clarke caught everything that came in. There were 2 guards in front of us and they turn around and said to us "wha in the namez of jayzusez is tha nuumba 6 doin at full ba" (or something to that affect( they were right though, as little as they knew about football even they could see that he was out of sorts there).
Nallen a mighty servant to Mayo football over the years but i'm afraid Full back is not his forte.
I would have Navin or Liam O'Malley blooded there during the league with Heaney as centre half back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 15, 2006, 08:20:36 AM
I agree with Bod Mor about Nallen. The Clarke example is a perfect one and you can add in Cooper on Nallen in the 2005 quarter final. He has been a legend but I think a hard call needs to be made here and he will serve us better from the bench.

It is ludicrous to consider playing Brady at full-back. It was something that worked for a short time during the All ireland final. He does not have the mobility to do the job and we would be better served with him out the field.

If you go through the team line by line we are in quiet good order if the full-back line could be sorted.

I think Paddy Navin should get a go in the FBD for a start, re-assess and the go with him in the league. It is important that whoever is to nail down the number 3 shirt should play the entire season there if possible. I don't think Geraghty can be an option. Keith Higgins or Liam O'Malley can play in either corner but would we be better served if they moved out the field? We have no shortage of wing-back options. But I think we need to tighten our half-back line. Because of the tendency of Garinder to attack at all times, and Nallen's loss of that yard of pace our full-back line has been exposed as being short of numbers. It is the same with the high ball. Even if out fielded the players are not there to support the full-back line. This is the crucial change that needs to be made. A more disciplined defence. That is why I would look at replacing Gardiner.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OkeyDoke on December 15, 2006, 08:25:53 AM
Too many people seem to be obsessed with having a big full back line. Think back to Tyrone's full abck line when they won Sam in 2005.
Ryan McMenamin - 5' 9"
Chris Lawn - 5' 9"
Michael McGee - 5' 7"
It's all about getting pressure out the field and the type of defensive system thats used ie maybe playing an extra defender.
If we do happen to meet Kerry and Donaghy again, by all means play DB but in any other game he would be skinned alive at FB.
It's not a dig at him but it's just that FB is such a specialised position. Neither DB or Nallen has played at FB.
As Bod Mor said, it will end up being Navin or O malley
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 15, 2006, 11:15:27 AM
I really believe not placing brady at full back for the 1st 15 minutes cost M&M their jobs and mayo a fighting chance at winning the allireland last year. But it was areal horse for courses thing, as alluded to earlier Donaghy still has to prove hes not a one (very good) trick pony by dominating next year but if its as simple as putting a big agressive midfieder on him i feel he could be a on hit wonder . but for the rest of the games I dont see anyone challenging heany . sure your heart is in you mouth half the time with him but he has got us to 2 allieland in the last 3 years there so I would need a compellling reason to change him. in the u21's cafferkey didnt look like the man, when cork ran against mayo he looked very dodgy as he did against roscommon.  Navin has proved nothing yet. pat kelly the only natural full back on the panel is gone. so at the mo its still heany.

Funny that with all the teams being picked here at the moment Kilcoyne seems to have dissappeared when did that happen probably our best prospect
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Cllr Willie Power on December 15, 2006, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 15, 2006, 11:15:27 AM
Navin has proved nothing yet

Bit hard for the guy to prove himself when he's never been given a run.  ::) As I've said before, this guy is well worth a look and should have been give a run before now. If he's not up to it then fair enough but he at least deserves a chance. Let's make a call after he's been given a decent run during the League.

A few interesting names on and off the panel but I would bet that there will be a lot more changes before we head for Gaillimh next summer.

Anyway, it's way too early yet for this topic lads.....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 15, 2006, 01:40:26 PM
Barney you hit the nail on the head. Nallen is not good enough for intercounty football, perhaps to bring him on if things are getting frayed at the end but I don't think Nallen will start a game in the green and red again, especially during the summer months.
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Post by: Maradona on December 15, 2006, 02:07:09 PM
I agree that Brady is not the ideal man for full back, but I think with the options we have he might be the best. Remember 2 years ago we were having the same discussion re the full back line and no one has come through to challenge. 2 of the 04 FB line started in 06. And we were exposed again. Not just at full back but in the corners too. Plus we were v Dublin also - god did we ride our luck that day in the FB line.
The thing with Brady is that despite his limitations as a footballer, he does intimidate opponents - the only Mayo player in my time that has. He was a relative success against a rampaging FF in the AI Final when we were loosing battles all over the pitch. On paper he does not appear the right candidate, but why not give it a go rather than write him off after one go in the position? You have to be pretty mobile tp play MF too. Plus tha fact is that there is less energy required in FB than in MF so maybe he can be a 70 min man again rather than a 25 min one. Try it in the league - if it works good, if not give others a go. Think Heaney alongside him would make a formidiable line. We have to get away from 5'7" lads straight out of U21 marking the likes of S McDonnell / Gooch, etc. Even Higgins, fine footballer that he is, has a lot to prove as a defender if he is to seriously make the grade. Now Ryan McMen is no giant, but I wouldn't fancy marking him. Wouldnt have such a fear with Mayo corner backs!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on December 15, 2006, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Maradona on December 15, 2006, 02:07:09 PM
I agree that Brady is not the ideal man for full back, but I think with the options we have he might be the best. Remember 2 years ago we were having the same discussion re the full back line and no one has come through to challenge. 2 of the 04 FB line started in 06. And we were exposed again. Not just at full back but in the corners too. Plus we were v Dublin also - god did we ride our luck that day in the FB line.
The thing with Brady is that despite his limitations as a footballer, he does intimidate opponents - the only Mayo player in my time that has. He was a relative success against a rampaging FF in the AI Final when we were loosing battles all over the pitch. On paper he does not appear the right candidate, but why not give it a go rather than write him off after one go in the position? You have to be pretty mobile tp play MF too. Plus tha fact is that there is less energy required in FB than in MF so maybe he can be a 70 min man again rather than a 25 min one.

I doubt if Brady would have the necessary discipline to be the solution at No.3. Ability is not an issue, he has buckets of that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Bod Mor on December 17, 2006, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 15, 2006, 11:15:27 AM
Funny that with all the teams being picked here at the moment Kilcoyne seems to have dissappeared when did that happen probably our best prospect

Thats true rosnarun. Kilcoyne needs to be given a good run in the league next year. I know its pointless picking championship teams in December but here's what I think anyway:

           Clarke
L O'Malley           Navin      Howley   

K Higgins           Heaney   Gardiner
   
          Harte       McGarrity

Kilcoyne           McDonald    Dillon

C Mortimer           T Mortimer     A O'Malley/K O'Neill
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on December 18, 2006, 12:04:40 AM
QuoteThe thing with Brady is that despite his limitations as a footballer, he does intimidate opponents - the only Mayo player in my time that has.

Jaysus, you must be fairly young 
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Post by: venter on December 18, 2006, 10:26:58 AM


                   Clarke
Nallen         A Higgins     L O'Malley

K Higgins      Heaney     Gardiner
   
          Moran       McGarrity

Harte      McDonald      Dillon

C Mortimer    T Mortimer     K O'Neill


Im delighted to see Marty Mac back in the set up. Hopefully he can stay injury free and have a good cut at making the team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 18, 2006, 11:03:32 AM
Its bizarre to see all these teams that have James Nallen in the full back line !?

If the man couldnt cut the pace at CHB how do you expect him to stay with any corner forward let alone a fast corner forward at inter county level?
Everyone from Meehan to Gooch would destroy him. Im sorry but he would be roasted in the full back line.

Is it a case that you think he deserves a place for all his years of service?

To be honest thats not exactly fair on anyone and certainly not fair on him to expect that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 18, 2006, 01:15:31 PM
I wouldn't play Nallen at corner back either. CHB or on the bench, and I'm afraid I think it's time for Jimmy to get more familiar with the bench. He just doesn't seem to have the pace for it anymore, and he's too 'nice'. A bit of cynicism is needed these days.

I would pick a team along the lines of:

           clarke
l o'malley navin k higgins
a higgins heaney gardiner
mcgaritty moran/brady
t mort dillon harte
c mort mcd k o'neill

I'm not sure about Navin but would like to see him get a couple of games at least so he can make a claim. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 18, 2006, 02:37:05 PM
Here is my tuppence worth... I think this is the strongest we have at the minute:


                 Clarke
L o'Malley    P Navin      K Higgins
A Higgins    David Brady   P Gardiner
        McGaritty   Heaney
P Harte    Ger Brady     A Dillon
C Mortimor    K McDonald    K O'Neill



Controversial as it may seem to put David Brady CHB it makes perfect sence.
He would stop anything comming through and would put the likes of Brosnen back on his arse. A very commanding player that would own everything that came into his space.

He is also the kind of player that is very inspirational and the team just improves 10 fold having him on the starting line up. I have left in Ger Brady too because he seems to shine when his brother David is playing too.

As pre-mentioned I would like to see Navin getting a fair chance at full back. I hope he gets a few games to develop there during the league. He could be the answer.

I have moved Heaney into midfield. Its partially experiential but I wasnt impressed with him at full back this year or at CHB in the AIF. He played all his underage football and club football at midfield and used to line out mid-field for Mayo so Im selecting him there. He loves carrying the ball and going forward but has loads more to offer at mid-field.

The only players I would worry about is O Neill who should be good for 40 minutes all the same. Im sure Kilcoyne or Trev Mortimor would be well fit to replace him if need be.

The other player id worry about is McGaritty who in my eyes has let us down twice on the big day. If he left down the basketball and concentrated on GAA and getting bulkier he could be outstanding. Barry Moran isnt ready for the step up. You may say he is young but he is three years in the senior camp now and still hasnt made much of an impression. I dont think he has got it and looked seriously out of his depth in the semi against Dublin.
I hope he proves me wrong though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 18, 2006, 02:51:32 PM
This is the team I would like start the league. A bit radical in the backs (because that is what we need):

Clarke

Cafferkey          Navin             Higgins

Mullins              Higgins           O'Malley

McGarrity          Brady

Dillon               McDonald         Harte

Mortimer          Trevor             Kilcoyne
Mortimer         
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 18, 2006, 04:43:02 PM
Just because a player hasn't been exposed yet does make him a good bet, and caffery and navin fall very much into that category they borh i feel have come to prominence because they were part of stronger teams. Navin looked well off the pace in at full back for UCD and only looked any way promising going foprward and isnt that what were trying to solve and how any one putting caffery in a team ahead of Gardiner is letting their predjudice go that one step too far
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 18, 2006, 06:55:31 PM
Ros I'm in no way prejudiced against Gardiner. I just feel that we need something different right now. Last 30 minutes I can think of no better man to bring on when a game has opened up and let him run at the defence. Mind you he needs to work on his shooting - whether it is lack of ability or lack of confidence he needs to sharpen up when he gets inside 30 yards.

Cafferkey and Navin have not been exposed. But they are good prospects and deserve a chance. it will probably be too soon for Cafferkey though admittedley. The same players are not going to improve the situation so something different must be tried.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 18, 2006, 10:51:51 PM
Cannot see Brady being deployed in any defensive position as a long term option. Would hope that the injury problems that plagued him last season will stay away and give him a good run in Centrefield for the FBD and League. The other option is to use him in a Donaghy type role in FF, something he did quite well for the club towards the end of this season.
With Tommy Lyons and Johnno involved I would hope to see Martin Wynne getting in the FBD to see if he can step up, superbly talented defender who kept Parkinson in his pocket in Croker.
The rush by some to find an answer for Donaghy is bit rash in my view, while I could be wrong, he is only one player. While there is no harm having an solution in reserve, worked on in training, the like of DB could well be destroyed by the more conventional FF, Joyce or Meehan spring to mind. It's horses for courses and each game will demand a different strategy, still can't shake the feeling that Donaghy could be a one season wonder
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 18, 2006, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 18, 2006, 02:37:05 PM

The other player id worry about is McGaritty who in my eyes has let us down twice on the big day. If he left down the basketball and concentrated on GAA and getting bulkier he could be outstanding.

People said the same thing about Liam McHale for years! McGarrity has been pretty consistent in letting everyone know that BB is his first love, if he was forced to choose I think Gaelic Football would be the loser. Peopke will say good riddance if he isn't prepared to give 100% but he's not a professional GAA player and said people would be against paying lads also.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 19, 2006, 11:28:32 AM
QuoteWith Tommy Lyons and Johnno involved I would hope to see Martin Wynne getting in the FBD to see if he can step up, superbly talented defender who kept Parkinson in his pocket in Croker

Cant see Guns changing his ways
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 19, 2006, 02:08:21 PM
while agreeing very much that gardiners shooting need overhauling for me not to have him on the team is unthinkable . his runs from deep and support play are one of the main reason (CMD apert) for crossmolina recent dominance and much of what is good about this mayo team.
i didn't say those lads were exposed i said just becuse they havent been exposed yet don't make them any good and i have yet to see anything to suggest they are anywhere near as good as what we already have. IO know we all have blind spots regarding certain players but  A team that lloses an all-ireland final should be Fine tuned not over hauled
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Post by: highorlow on December 19, 2006, 02:17:24 PM
                       Clarke

Kilcullen             Harte            Higgins

A.Higgins           Heany           Gardiner

                 Kilcullen  MacGarrity

Dillion                Brady      A.Moran

MacDonald       Benson        Regan


Maybe for the FBD?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: guy crouchback on December 19, 2006, 02:37:37 PM
i see the plans for the devolopment of mc hale park are in the western people. not much to it. a new all seater stand replacing the existing stand and some new concrete seating  added on at one end.
Title: Re: highorlow
Post by: AbbeySider on December 19, 2006, 02:52:07 PM
Answer me this:

Did Benson even get the call up?

Did Kilcullen even get the call up?

Did Pat Harte ever play at full-back? Did he ever play in the defence?


With 49 clubs in the county (not including B teams) there should be 49 players battling for the position of full back.


Why are people suggesting putting Barry Moran and Pat Harte in at full back??

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Post by: Tubberman on December 19, 2006, 02:53:11 PM
No mention of the co board offices and underground museum? Does the new stand run the full length of the pitch or just the same section as the current stand?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 19, 2006, 03:31:02 PM
In fairness Abbeysider you should know there are two Kilcullens - David (who is a centre half back) or James who played midfield in the 2005 league games against Dublin and Donegal.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 19, 2006, 03:36:20 PM
To quote myself:

Quote from: AbeySiderHOW THE HELL CAN KILCULLEN PLAY CORNER BACK AND MID-FIELD ? ? ?

Quote from: Barney on December 19, 2006, 03:31:02 PM
In fairness Abbeysider you should know there are two Kilcullens - David (who is a centre half back) or James who played midfield in the 2005 league games against Dublin and Donegal.

Well said... I was thinking something was wrong. David and James Kilcullen. At first glance I thought he was naming the same player.
My Apologies

:-[


But I dont think either Kilcullens have been drafted in yet?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: guy crouchback on December 20, 2006, 11:28:30 AM
QuotePosted by: Tubberman
Insert Quote
No mention of the co board offices and underground museum? Does the new stand run the full length of the pitch or just the same section as the current stand?

the new stand is running the whole lenght of the pitch.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 20, 2006, 03:18:08 PM
JOM is not happy! Totally understandably in my opinion. Banishing the selectors to the stands is completely nonsensacle

Unwelcome rule changes attract ire of managers

WHEN thirty inter-county Managers, from every corner of the country, travel to Mullingar the Sunday before Christmas to voice their opinions about the proposed new Hurling and Football match regulations for 2007, there is little need to articulate that feelings are running very high. These proposed regulations are the latest of a pattern of pronouncements from GAA headquarters since last Easter's congress that seem to be all pointing the finger at the management bench for the ills of our games.

Managers were being blamed for, among other things, holding up club fixtures and burning out players with too much training along with needless challenge matches. However, it reached a new low last weekend when GAA headquarters' response to indiscipline on the field was to ban team managers to the dugout and expel selectors to the stands along with the supporters for the duration of the Allianz leagues. How crazy can it get?


Now let me state from the outset that I have no problem with rules and regulations on big match days. They are necessary for the proper presentation of our games. In that context, the idea of deploying a runner to get messages to the players is welcomed. Also, there needed to be some tightening of the water carriers - although it is unreasonable to expect players to have to come out to the sideline for water. I thought we wanted to speed up our games!


Will someone please tell me how keeping a team manager in the dugout and the selectors in the stands will solve the discipline problem on the field? The most high profile brawl in 2006 occurred in the league game in Omagh between Tyrone and Dublin. My memory of that incident is that the team mentors were trying to calm things down as is the case with the vast majority of managers and selectors. It is part and parcel of our Gaelic Games to have the Mick O'D-wyers, Paidi O Se, Ger Loughnane or John Maughan gesticulating to their teams as they parade up and down the line. Supporters see this as an essential part of the entertainment value in Gaelic Games.


Whatever about the manager being confined to the dugout, it is simply unworkable to ban the selectors to the stands. First of all, while the idea a few years ago of sending the substitutes to the stands during the game was a good one, it has not worked because the players in most cases are simply in the middle of the supporters. This can lead to all sorts of problems. For example, last year in the All-Ireland semi-final, Ciaran McKeever of Armagh was attacked by a Tyrone supporter as he returned to the stand after being sent off.


You could imagine a couple of selectors sitting next to infuriated supporters if things are going wrong for their team on the pitch. Not only will it not solve indiscipline on the field but it could cause an outbreak of it in the stand!


There has been the suggestion that the new rules came after wide consultation with county boards and team managers but this hasn't been the case with any of the team bosses I have spoken with. Sean Kelly did meet Team Mangers a few years ago to discuss matters of mutual interest with Croke Park but obviously that isn't the route being followed now. It will be interesting therefore to see what comes as a result of the meeting of inter-county managers that took place in Mullingar last Sunday evening.


The match regulation debate has certainly given the GAA plenty of coverage over the last week at the normally quiet time of the season. Last weekend's Central Council meeting dealt with the future of the International Rules Series but with the decision on that well-flagged in advance, the postponement of next year's trip down under wasn't a great shock to anybody.


However, like a bolt out of the blue and slipped in without any fanfare, were the match regulations. The follow up during the week with a dictatorial approach from on high will be an interesting side-show in the coming months. About ten years ago the players were being told to play their games and then keep their mouths shut. We all know what that led to. Ten years on, one wonders have any lessons been learned.

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Post by: AbbeySider on December 21, 2006, 10:01:21 AM
QuoteStudents to provide first test for O'Mahony
20 December 2006

John O'Mahony's second coming as Mayo football boss will officially begin on January 17 when his new charges face Sligo IT in a floodlit Connacht FBD League clash at Ballindine.

Mayo will be in action again four days later when they meet Roscommon in the same competition at Ballyhaunis. The Connacht League gets underway on January 7 when Roscommon meet Sligo IT at Elphin, Sligo host Galway at Tubbercurry and GMIT face Leitrim at Pearse Stadium.

The home final takes place on February 18 with the winners travelling to either New York or Boston for the away final on October 7.

Meanwhile, the Connacht Senior Hurling League gets underway on January 13. The teams taking part are Sligo, Leitrim, Roscommon, Mayo, Sligo IT, GMIT, NUIG and the Galway development squad.

New Galway hurling boss Ger Loughnane will have his first outing with the development squad when they take on Roscommon in Ballinasloe on January 13.

From the hogan stand. Im too hungover to comment  :'(
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 21, 2006, 10:09:30 AM
Maughan has a similiar article in the mayo advertiser
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Post by: AbbeySider on December 21, 2006, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 21, 2006, 10:09:30 AM
Maughan has a similiar article in the mayo advertiser

Here it is:

Behind the wire

John maughan

The Men Behind The Wire – that's what the GAA are trying to make out of selectors, with these new regulations for the forthcoming Allianz National Football League.

It's crazy. Picture the scene. Midway through the second-half and the sap is rising. The game is on a seesaw. Taking in serious water in the halfback line. But maybe the problem is starting further up the field. Almost impossible for one man to see it all, so the manager turns to his selectors...except they are not at hand. They are behind the wire, up in the stand, out of sight. So the manager has to talk through the wire to them – it's like a scene from a prison visit, something from The Green Mile.

Why does the GAA do things like this? Did anyone stop to think about this one? Did anyone talk to a few managers and get their opinions? It seems not. No-one contacted me, and it appears that other managers are in the dark too because this Sunday we will all troop along to a meeting in Mullingar to discuss how we can have this ridiculous decision rescinded. I read Joe Kernan's interview earlier in the week when he decided to let Nicky Brennan know exactly what he thought of this idiotic decision.

This is the first time in my 17 years of management that managers from all counties have decided to meet together to discuss a decision that will ultimately effect them. Expect a strong worded statement on Monday morning. The gloves are off Mr President!!

It is time the GAA took matters like this more seriously. It would be a simple job to have one manager per province as a point of contact, through which the GAA could quickly run a straw poll of inter-county managers on a wide variety of issues. If that had been done in this case – and a simple e-mail forwarded on would have sufficed – I can guarantee you there would be no decision to exclude the selectors, and no need for the managers of the country to travel to Mullingar on Sunday.

It can be difficult enough to get men to act as selectors at inter-county level, without this move to push them to the periphery. Management teams spend ages talking about their strategies and tactics, and then – at a whim – the GAA decides to exclude selectors from the most important forum of all, the match itself.

Dr Hyde Park in Roscommon, where I will be operating for much of the National League, has a perimeter fence – and then a drop of about two feet! How am I going to be able to talk to my selectors Gerry Fitzmaurice and Eamon McManus senior? Smoke signal? Maybe the GAA should appoint a bookmaker's tick-tack man to every county. Is John McCririck out of Big Brother yet? He can name his price.

And why is this being done? I know that at club level the sideline can become a bit overcrowded and overheated, but there are ways of dealing with stuff like that – suspensions and fines. The bath water has been thrown out, and the baby along with it.

Management teams need to process information quickly on the day of the match. Things are decided almost in a flash because the game moves at such speed. The time it will take a manager to communicate with his selectors could be the losing of the game.

It must be rescinded, and a system of communication must be set up to canvass the opinions of managers on matters of critical importance to their trade.

The 'runner' idea is not a bad one. It should improve communications greatly between the management and the players. On a big match day players just don't hear you shouting from 40 yards away. Of course, a cute manager will don the runner's bib and do the running himself: a bit like Michael O'Leary buying a taxi-plate to be able to use the bus lanes!

Mind you, the most famous runner in the history of Mayo football is TJ Kilgallon, who 'ran' for his country in Australia. Surely you remember the gear he donned? I hear it started a fashion craze Down Under – bright green or possibly yellow top, khaki shorts, long socks, and a good, solid pair of boots! TJ was always ahead of his time!

Help Wanted

If I had a euro for every time I get asked 'anywhere we'd get a good manager?' I'd be a very rich man.

The annual trawl is under way. Clubs just can't get managers. There's a small pool of people who are interested in doing the job – and it's getting smaller. I don't know where it's all going to end.

The pressure is now enormous on managers, even at club level. A lot of the fun has gone out of the game and former players who should be ideally suited to the task of management find the whole thing unattractive.

I believe clubs need to put in a major effort to nurture managers. They spend a lot of time and money working on dressing rooms and coaching, but often the training of managers is forgotten. A prospective manager should be blooded, perhaps put in as a selector (inside the wire!) for a year or two, or given an underage team, or encouraged to meet with successful managers from other clubs to pick their brains.

The grooming of managers will be a major challenge for clubs in the years ahead.

No rest for the wicked

So, Mayo are back in training. It's good to see Marty McNicholas back in the squad after serious knee surgery. He's a strong, forceful player with a lot of skill. I saw him playing for Breaffy during the summer and he was excellent.

I hear Enda Devenney, Kenneth O'Malley and Gary, and Michael Mullins are also in the set-up. Gone, for a variety of reasons, are James Gill, Pat Kelly, Colum Lyons, Stephen Carolan, and John Healy.

A development panel is running side-by-side with the senior panel, and this includes talented young players like Ger Cafferkey, Mark Ronaldson, Tom Cunniffe, Chris Barrett, Barry Kelly and Aidan Campbell. Some of those men will play senior for Mayo in the New Year, and, I expect, next summer.

There is always a buzz when there's a change of management and playing personnel: change freshens things up, brings new ideas, and revitalises people.
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Post by: Barney on December 21, 2006, 10:23:17 AM
QuoteIt's crazy. Picture the scene. Midway through the second-half and the sap is rising. The game is on a seesaw. Taking in serious water in the halfback line. But maybe the problem is starting further up the field. Almost impossible for one man to see it all, so the manager turns to his selectors...except they are not at hand. They are behind the wire, up in the stand, out of sight. So the manager has to talk through the wire to them – it's like a scene from a prison visit, something from The Green Mile.

Somebody will ask the question - would John see the change and even if he did would he consult with the selectors.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 21, 2006, 10:25:01 AM
Play nice Barney, its christmas!  :D

Does anybody know if maughan still does the training he sets out for roscommon?
The reason i ask is cause i saw him in the gym in castlebar on tuesday
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Post by: Tubberman on December 21, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
I hear Enda Devenney, Kenneth O'Malley and Gary, and Michael Mullins are also in the set-up. Gone, for a variety of reasons, are James Gill, Pat Kelly, Colum Lyons, Stephen Carolan, and John Healy.

A development panel is running side-by-side with the senior panel, and this includes talented young players like Ger Cafferkey, Mark Ronaldson, Tom Cunniffe, Chris Barrett, Barry Kelly and Aidan Campbell. Some of those men will play senior for Mayo in the New Year, and, I expect, next summer.


So Enda Devenney has finally been called up/accepted the call up! Is he good enough? - that's one question we may finally get the answer to.
James Gill has been on the panel for a long time, sad to see him gone in one way, but I don't think he was going to be able to get a starting spot for the foreseeable future - never really performed as well as I thought he might. Had a great league last year, and then disappeared again.
Some good talent in the dev squad, surely these are the players we will see in the FBD and some of the national league matches.

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Post by: OkeyDoke on December 21, 2006, 11:36:58 AM
Was just looking at some of the teams posted - very dodgy defence there Barney. I don't think theres a need for wholesale changes in defense. JOM will try to unearth 1-2 new defenders but you can be sure that he will also try to win every game he plays to get the confidence up.
What i see happening is that he'll start with 12-13 of last years team and give the likes of Navin,Mullins,Cafferkey, Campbell, Devenney games throughout the league. His main onjective will be to unearth a new FB to release Heaney to CHB.
P Gardiner will be a definite starter and JOM has the height of respect for him which showed in the county final when he played the corner forward as well as Gardiners own man in front of Gardiner to stop him attacking. Gardiner is a vital outlet for the team...although i agree that he has to improve his defending.
One person i really feel who needs to step up is Barry Moran - he has shown nothing for 2 years so he has to make a push this year.
This team is good enough to win Sam, just needs a bit of tweaking and 1-2 new players - and JOM should be able to do that - fingers crossed
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Post by: Barney on December 21, 2006, 11:52:43 AM
OkeyDoke if we do not confront the problems in the backs we will be in the same position next year. Some good days, but the prospect of a disaster against a top team on form. The reality of our weaknesses must be confronted. Whether my answers are the correct ones I do not know.

Personally I don't think Barry Moran is going to make the standard that we had hoped. i know it is early days in his career still but he is missing the physicality, bite and basic football skills to make his mark at this level. Would have much more hope for Seamus OSe
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Post by: OkeyDoke on December 21, 2006, 12:11:35 PM
What do you think we need Barney - a new corner back, a FB,a wing back and a CHB. I can see Heaney starting at CHB. Navin/O Malley at FB, maybe Trevor Howley at Corner and E Dev or Mullins at wing back.
Thats 3 personnel changes in the backs - it would take a while to gel but try it out in the league

Howley  Navin/O Malley  K Higgins

Dev/Mullins  Heaney  Gardiner

What do ye think??
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Post by: Farrandeelin on December 21, 2006, 07:23:50 PM
Here's my tuppence worth regarding the defence.
A Higgins Navin K Higgins
Dev  Heaney  Gardiner.
This is only for the league. We could put in Howley instead at the number 2 position. He plays at no 6 for Knockmore but he could play no 2 for the county.
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Post by: ildanach on December 23, 2006, 11:02:10 AM
i see Vincent Hogan has Micky Moran as one of his heros of 2006. I think so too. I know we have JOM in now and i am over the moon about that. But i do feel for MM he really was shafted by the County Board. It may prove a valuable lesson for Johno - in the words from Julius Caesar "beware of the ides of march" - or in his case beware of failure in Pearse stadium in may!
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Post by: Lar Naparka on December 24, 2006, 07:39:01 PM
C'mon, Santa, please bring us a full back tonight!  :)
Johnno has loads of options all around the field but we badly need a commanding figure at no. 3.
What would I give for Kevin Cahill right now!
As far as I can see we have plenty of good players about the place such as Navin, Howley and O'Malley, but none of them stands out as a tailor-made full back.
The three I've mentioned as well as several others I hear being considered for a place in the backs  are all good , mobile players, well able to pass and to link up but  don't seem right for the edge of the square.
I don't see anyone who can grab the ball in his mitts and break out with authority. David Brady did a fair emergency job when called upon but lacks both mobility and discipline. He has the bottle for the job okay but both years and temperament are not on his side. David Heaney is not the answer either.
I really can't see any member of last year's panel being able to do an adequate job there and I can only hope that Johnno does come up lucky when he assesses the new incoming panellists.
There are other positions too that need attention; we could do with a conventional full forward for starters but, IMO, we need to get the number three spot fixed.
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Post by: Bod Mor on December 26, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
When I go home I have the Mayo V Dublin semi final waiting for me, deadly stuff. This match will be remembered forever and ever. Fair play to both sets of players.
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 02, 2007, 11:55:52 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on December 26, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
When I go home I have the Mayo V Dublin semi final waiting for me, deadly stuff. This match will be remembered forever and ever. Fair play to both sets of players.

Yes I bought it on Dvd and watched it over the Christmas.

http://www.dvdsales.ie/shop/2006_football___semi_final_mayo_v_dublin.417.1.10099.sports.html

Looking back instead of thinking of what a great game we witnessed; the feeling (around the sitting room) was that "the signs were there".

Brogan roasted Higgins and we were very shaky at the back... etc etc

I know, I know.... its all been said and we could be talking about it til the cows come home...  ;)
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Post by: Pietas on January 03, 2007, 04:29:51 PM
It was a wonderfully open game...played out in an incredible atmosphere...but no way were Kerry going to allow us the same space and make the same mistakes on the sideline as Dublin did.

Still we always have the memories, and they will serve us well till Sam arrives.



MOOO!
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Post by: Pietas on January 04, 2007, 02:57:40 PM
Am I alone in thinking that I heard earlier in the year that the Mayo team would not be taking a holiday?  Or was I mistaken?  Twenty of them are heading for a crusie, with our friends from the county board tagging along.  Johnno isn't going.

I've no problem with it...but it's bad PR

From MayoNews.ie

Mayo squad go cruising

MIKE FINNERTY

A LARGE number of the 2006 Mayo senior football squad fly off on a well-earned break to the USA next weekend before returning to commence their new season in the FBD Connacht League on January 17.
Approximately 20 players from last year's Connacht Championship winning panel – as well as officers of the Mayo GAA Board – will fly to New York next Saturday before travelling on to Fort Lauderdale in Florida. This will be their departure point for a week-long cruise around the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico.
New manager John O'Mahony will not be among the travelling party but his 2007 panel were kept busy over the festive period with a hectic training schedule. This included a not-so-leisurely run around the well-known cross-country circuit in Belleek, Ballina last Saturday.
The squad were also brought together bright and early on New Year's Day in Ballyheane for a trial game which allowed O'Mahony and his selectors to run the rule over approximately 40 players.
"There are a number of players not travelling to America next week," he told The Mayo News last night. "There are also a number of players that weren't involved last year, so training will be continuing here at home. There is also a provision for training on the cruise ship so the players that are away will still be working to an extent.
"We took a break for three to four days over the Christmas but are back in the swing of things now again. Training has gone well so far and we've been doing some work with weights etc. We were indoors up to Christmas and have some work to finish in that regard but we went outdoors for a game on New Year's Day."
The panel have been immersed in intensive collective training in recent weeks as the countdown continues to the start of the new season. Between their first FBD League game against IT Sligo in two weeks' time and their final NFL Division 1A outing against Tyrone on April 7, Mayo will play ten matches in just over eleven weeks.
These will include trips to Donegal, Fermanagh, Cork and Tyrone in the NFL as well as a floodlit FBD Connacht League game at home to NUI, Galway in Ballinrobe on January 24.
"That kind of schedule suits us to be honest," said John O'Mahony. "We started training later than a lot of other teams and played no challenge games before Croke Park ruled them out. Playing so many games over the next few months will allow us to cast the net as wide as possible."
O'Mahony, his selectors, Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher, and team trainer, Jim Kilty, have left no stone unturned in terms of preparation ahead of the new season. A number of players are also being treated for injuries as the rematch with Kerry on February 4 at McHale Park, Castlebar now begins to loom large on the horizon.
"Ciaran McDonald had an MRI scan on his back recently, Dermot Geraghty has a slight knee injury, Pat Harte has a problem with his shoulder, Austin O'Malley is being troubled by his hamstring and Barry Moran has a groin injury," explained the Mayo manager.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on January 04, 2007, 07:39:36 PM
Speaking of the NFL, am I the only one who thinks we will struggle to get into the top 4 to stay in the first division for 2008?
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Post by: stephenite on January 04, 2007, 10:42:10 PM
Keeping to the theme of the Dublin game, great article from the Examiner below. All the best for '07 one and all, keep her lit lads and lassies ;)

How mighty Mayo conquered the Hill

By Brendan O'Brien
THE events three weeks later stripped this game of most of its sheen but, ignore that and judge this game on its own rights, and the All-Ireland football semi-final between Mayo and Dublin was my sporting highlight of the year.


Okay, a multitude of other events has it whipped in terms of sheer emotion — Munster's quest for the Heineken Cup and Darren Clarke's heroic role in Europe's Ryder Cup success to name but two.

In terms of the action itself on the field of play though, Mayo-Dublin has them licked. The Ryder Cup, after all, was over on the Saturday afternoon while the game in Cardiff was gripping without ever threatening to be a classic.

The World Cup became dull and uninspiring after the group stages, the hurling championship never really took off and even Ireland's victories over South Africa and Australia was tempered by the paucity of the visitors' challenges.

Contrast all that with Sunday, August 27 in Croke Park, a day that had everything — hype, controversy, 70 minutes of sheer excitement and, crucially, a pulsating victory that could have fallen either way on the day.

The most important ingredient in any sporting event is arguably the unexpected and the meeting of the Leinster and Connacht champions produced plenty of that.

Ten minutes or so before the throw-in is a time when most journalists are usually congregating inside the press room, sipping on a last-minute cup of tea or coffee before the action starts. This day was no different.

Suddenly, one writer roared out something along the lines of 'Jaysus, Mayo are warming up in front of the Hill', chucked his coffee to one side and made a beeline for the press box.

The exodus that followed was like a scene from the Battle of Britain where the squadron of lounging RAF pilots get the signal to scramble and confront the approaching Luftwaffe.

To the Dubs, it was akin to a stranger walking into their house unannounced, emptying the fridge and taking a kip in the master bedroom. They couldn't let the slight pass.

Away they duly ran for the Hill and, in the ensuing confusion, Paul Caffrey gave John Morrison a shunt in the back while Mayo dietician Mary McNicholas got decked by a stray ball.

The wonder of it all was that a fully fledged barney didn't ensue.

"Dublin don't own the Hill end and we don't own it, either," said Mayo's David Brady afterwards. "No one owns Croke Park. What we did was wrong, it shouldn't have happened, but once we were there, there was no way we were going to back down."

For Mayo, who had pulled into Croker that day as unfancied as any Connacht team since the black days of the '70s, '80s and early '90s, it was a bold statement of intent.

The weeks leading up to the semi-final had been dominated by talk of the first possible Dublin-Kerry final in 21 years.

Even after Mayo's Hill "invasion", few felt that the sun was about to go down on Dublin's summer but, whatever would subsequently happen, we decided up on the Hogan Stand that this was already a day that would remain etched in our memories long after the season had ended.

Luckily, it was just a particularly tasty appetiser for what would be a sumptuous banquet. As for the game itself? Phew, where to start. In many ways, it defies description.

How could Dublin have guessed that a score of 2-12 would not be enough to win them a place in their first All-Ireland final in 11 years? How could they have known that they would be seven points up with 22 minutes to play and lose by one, having scored only one more point themselves from there until the last, cruel whistle? They couldn't.

There is so much more to mention. Mayo's electric start that saw them go four points ahead. Dublin's initial comeback. Conal Keaney climbing the crossbar after scoring their first goal. Keaney missing an easy free and Mayo scoring twice to grab the lead and psychological advantage at the break.

Dublin's blistering retort after the break and, finally, Mayo's incredible comeback.

So then, just how good a game was it? One commentator said it was the best he had ever seen and Colm O'Rourke was adamant he would never see it bettered should he live to be a hundred.

Both men were merely voicing what most people were thinking in the days after the game but wasn't it just 12 months since people were saying the very same thing about that epic All-Ireland semi-final between Tyrone and Armagh? True, but statistics — that most calculating of methods in what is a romantic debate — tells us that Mayo-Dublin served up far more scores and far fewer frees. Only four of the 31 scores came from dead balls as opposed to 10 in the all-Ulster clash.

Another all-northern affair of a similar pedigree was the Derry-Down clash in 1994, while the last game of the four it took to separate Dublin and Meath in 1991 and the revered meeting of Kerry and Dublin in the 1997 All-Ireland semi-final also compare favourably.

Mikey Sheehy played in that last match which saw Dublin squeeze through by just two points and he had little hesitation in saying this year's drama was one of the best — if not THE best — 70 minutes of football he was ever privy to.

"I was watching on TV and my only regret was I wasn't there," said Sheehy. "You miss a lot of stuff on TV that you would see in the ground but it was an epic. It had everything, a full house and a fantastic atmosphere."

Three weeks later came the capitulation. For one day though, they were truly great.
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Post by: ildanach on January 05, 2007, 09:40:01 AM
i would think top four is a realistic goal. Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Dublin - no particular order 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 05, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
I would like to see jom playing dave brady at fullforward for a league game or two.
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Post by: Cllr Willie Power on January 09, 2007, 11:35:49 AM
O'Neill back in Mayo jersey despite rumours


VETERAN attacker Kevin O'Neill looks set to continue with Mayo for another season after lining out with the county team in a challenge game at the weekend.

There was widespread speculation that the 33-year-old - scorer of two goals the All-Ireland final loss to Kerry - would retire, but he played for Mayo against Connacht club champions St Brigid's on Sunday.

New Mayo manager John O'Mahony also gave run-outs to 2006 All-Ireland U21 medallists Mark Ronaldson and Ger Cafferkey.

O'Neill's veteran colleagues James Nallen, David Heaney and David Brady have also remained on board for the season as Mayo bid to land their first All-Ireland since 1951.

The majority of last year's Mayo squad were unavailable for the challenge match as they are on a team cruise in the Carribbean.
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Post by: rosnarun on January 09, 2007, 12:38:22 PM
Quotethe 33-year-old - scorer of two goals
IS kevin getting younger he was quited as much as 35 last year noe back to 33. wasnt he 2 years ahead of Mcdonald underage which would leave him 35 now . It would be like knockmore to be messing with Birth certs
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Post by: Tubberman on January 09, 2007, 12:45:09 PM
McDonald isn't 33 rosnarun. I think he's 31, which would make 33 O'Neill's correct age.
I read that both he and Conor Mort were playing at the weekend. Why aren't they gone on the cruise I wonder?
Anyone know what team was put out?
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2007, 01:13:02 PM
I doubt if chuckie, turning 34 this year, has the time to be headin off on a cruise.
There was never any doubt that he'd stay on another year

I take it we're out this weekend in the FBD, haven't seen the western yet, anyone got the venue, time and opposition?

And ros u should know that living beside lough conn, sure tis like drinking from the fountain of youth every day  :D
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 09, 2007, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2007, 01:13:02 PM
I take it we're out this weekend in the FBD, haven't seen the western yet, anyone got the venue, time and opposition?

From the Mayo News:http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=826&Itemid=39
Quote
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Mayo's first competitive outing of the season comes in the FBD Connacht League next Wednesday, January 17, away to IT Sligo at 7.30pm in Ballinode. On Sunday, January 21 they face John Maughan's Roscommon in Ballyhaunis before concluding their group games against NUI, Galway at Flanagan Park, Ballinrobe on Wednesday, January 24.
....
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2007, 01:50:01 PM
Did i see on some other thread where ballinode is?
Anyone with directions? Might head along to this one, anyone else heading along?
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Post by: Tubberman on January 09, 2007, 02:04:56 PM
Ballinode is Sligo IT's pitch, think it's on their campus.
I'm in Dublin so won't be going, but will prob be in Ballyhaunis the following weekend for the Rossie game
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2007, 02:31:19 PM
The IT is out the enniskeillen road isn't it?
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Post by: highorlow on January 09, 2007, 03:14:29 PM
Anyone hear how that challenge match went at the week end?

Who were the new faces that lined out?
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2007, 03:39:11 PM
Lads for any of you who knew him John O'Hara of Foxford has passed away, his son John was goalkeeper for the Mayo Minors in the 90's.
RIP
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Post by: mannix on January 09, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
Sorry to hear about Mr O Hara, never a good time to go and never easy for those left behind, sincere condolences.

Mayo played 2 challenge games at the weekend,they won both and I heard nothing about performances and even if I did a grain of salt is the best thing to have with it.I hope to get a peek at them against sligo it.
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Post by: ildanach on January 09, 2007, 05:33:13 PM
the only thing i saw about the challenges was that Heaney, O Neill and Nallen all played
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 09, 2007, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2007, 02:31:19 PM
The IT is out the enniskeillen road isn't it?
Yep Mayo4Sam, keep on the Inner Relief Road til the turnoff for Manorhamilton/Enniskillen and it's on the left, opposite the Hospital.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 10, 2007, 08:12:55 AM
From reading the western it seems one of the matches was against the U-21s. MacDanger injured, doubtful for league start.
Pleanty of players been given a shot at the mo
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Cllr Willie Power on January 10, 2007, 10:21:11 AM
I see that Mortimer was sent off for picking up two yellow cards in the first half of last night's O'Byrne Cup match....

One thing I meant to ask re: the Blue Stars v Dublin game. If it was supposed to be the best players in Dublin club football how come O'Neill didn't make the team? Bit surprising seeing as two of his fellow Countymen did.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on January 10, 2007, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Cllr Willie Power on January 10, 2007, 10:21:11 AM
I see that Mortimer was sent off for picking up two yellow cards in the first half of last night's O'Byrne Cup match....

Correct, and both were for dissent....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 10, 2007, 01:34:36 PM
From this week's Western. Huge panel of players involved at various levels at the moment.

Quote
Net cast far and wide in trawl for talent
By: Anthony Hennigan

AS MANY as 25 players not involved in last season's Mayo senior football panel are currently being monitored by the new management team as preparation for the upcoming FBD and Allianz football leagues gathers momentum.

Team boss John O'Mahony over-saw a trial game involving Mayo under 21 and senior selections at Ballyheane last Saturday morning as he continues to familiarise himself with a mixture of players, some tried, others untested, and in total, over 40 players have been assigned various forms of pre-season conditioning and training.


O'Mahony has confirmed to the Western People that a panel of 30 players to compete in Division 1a of the Allianz football league will not be finalised until the week before Mayo's opening round clash at home to Kerry on February 4th but that even then: "the door will not be closed on any players that may have been left out but who later prove to be good enough."


In the meantime, a selection of noteworthy talent from all corners of the county has been called up for assessment, including three players with past senior inter-county championship experience and as many as eight more of last year's successful U-21 panel.


From that victorious All-Ireland winning team, Aidan Campbell (Swinford), Tom Cunniffe, Sean Ryder (both Castlebar) Kenneth O'Malley (Ballinrobe), Ger Cafferkey (Ballina), Chris Barrett (Belmullet), Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy) and Mark Ronaldson (Shrule-Glencorrib) have all been contacted by Johno, thus joining their team-mates of last season (and already established senior panel-lists) Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley and Aidan Kilcoyne.


Declan Sweeney (Knockmore), Marty McNicholas (Breaffy), Gary Mullins and Paddy Navin (both Claremorris) are among the more familiar names to receive call ups for trial matches while three more members of beaten county senior finalists Ballaghaderreen are also in the shake up, namely James Kilcullen, Barry Kelly and Stephen Drake. Other newcomers include Mickey Mullins (Claremorris), a brother of Gary, Ballina's Enda Devenney and Eanna Casey, Kiltane duo Edmund Barrett and John Scanlon, Colm Forde (Aghamore), Enda Casey (Charlestown), Brendan Prendergast (Tourmakeady), Martin Keane and Colm Cafferkey (both Achill).


The aforementioned Prendergast was yesterday (Monday), named as the Connacht GAA Sportwriter's Personality of the month for December 2006.


"Of all the players we are currently working with, a number of them are operating at different categories in terms of the sort of training they are doing. Some of the under 21s are on weight programmes and are being monitored by us, others are involved in Sigerson Cup preparations and are not training full time but we're giving them assistance," disclosed O'Mahony.


"While we may be looking at some of these younger players with a more long-term outlook, that's not to say that if they show up well in the immediate future that they could not become involved in the league campaign. Even during the league it's likely that we'll be having trial matches on Saturday's for the players not involved the following day so they can all play their part in shaping their own destiny and their efforts should certainly help keep other players on their toes," continued the former All-Ireland winning boss.


Five members of the 2006 Mayo senior panel (John Healy, Colum Lyons, Stephen Carolan, James Gill and Pat Kelly) are not involved in the current set-up for a variety of reasons, however, Mayo's medical team are currently working hard with Ciaran McDonald and Pat Harte to try and help both players recover from back and shoulder injuries respectively.


"Ciaran's injury dates back to pre-All Ireland final time and we're monitoring his progress at the moment. It's important to get it right," concluded John, non-committal as to the likelihood of the Crossmolina man being ready for league duty next month.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 10, 2007, 02:23:35 PM
I saw a bit of Laochra Gael on TG4 last night (the Dooley brothers) and they said that next week it will be about John O'Mahoney - at least I'm nearly sure that's what they said, or my Gaeilge is gone v bad!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 10, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
maybe some of the knockmore heads might have an opinon on Declan Sweeney for full back has always looked a class player but has never found his position on the mayo team
any takers?
Title: Re: New Mayo Manager
Post by: AbbeySider on January 10, 2007, 02:38:27 PM
Nice one Tubberman, I was checking the WP site all day waiting for it to update the sports section!

gotta be up pretty early in the morning etc etc  :P ;D

To reiterate what I said in November:

Quote from: AbbeySider on November 21, 2006, 10:30:27 AM
JOM wont leave a stone unturned so there is hope.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 10, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
Last year I came on here and said that Mayo were 18-1 this time of year with PaddyPower for the All-Ireland.
I backed them each way so got half the odds back. It still didnt make up for losing the way we did.  :'(
(apparently Cashmans bookmakers in cork were giving 33-1 last year and they are actually giving 16-1 at the moment!!)

Mayo are currently 12-1 (16-1 with Cashmans) for the All-Ireland. I think I will back them each way again because it is very possible that we will win Connaught, beat whoever we meet in the back door, and beat the winners of Ulster (probably Tyrone) in an All-Ireland Semi Final.

My prediction is that Kerry will come out of Munster and beat Dublin in their AISF so we could be meeting them again IF we get that far.

I wont predict what will happen in the AIF because there is too many conditions in my statement.

Am I being too much of an optimist?




BTW
16-1 with Cashmans are an excellent bet each way.

Im looking at their odds... He has to be taking the piss
(http://www.cashmans.ie/antipost/gaa1.html)

Kerry 7-4
Tyrone 3-1
Dublin 6-1
Armagh 13-2
Cork 14-1
Mayo 16-1

Cork and Armagh favorites over us ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on January 10, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
Cant see why we are at 16-1. Tyrone, i'm not so sure about this year,a bit past it in my opinion. Besides Kerry, we can match anyone else,especially Cork and Armagh, but then again you never see a poor bookie! Glad to see Brendan Prendergast getting his award. Its great for us smaller clubs. Roll on the Intermediate Semi-Final!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 10, 2007, 09:49:01 PM
Think the odds are fair enough, let's be honest, we had a favourable draw last year. It was flagged by all and sundry that whoever won Connacht had a damn good chance of getting to the final. If we had to play Armagh last season in the quarters that would have been the end of us I think.
Dublin were on a hiding to nothing last year, however if Vaughan can step forward and give Brogan some support than the Dubs will not be far away this year, ditto Cork. Tyrone need McGuigan back to his best, if he's not 100% they might well struggle
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 11, 2007, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 10, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
maybe some of the knockmore heads might have an opinon on Declan Sweeney for full back has always looked a class player but has never found his position on the mayo team
any takers?

Well he did actually, corner forward in the first championship match of 97, got injured after that but ya deccie is a class act, would like to see him given a go at full back alright
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: dodo on January 11, 2007, 03:29:08 PM
Declan Sweeney is too slow and immobile for county football. Has been given a run by every manager since 1951. What age is he at this stage ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 11, 2007, 05:03:54 PM
Deccie is 30, hardly an old man & defo not immobile, if u dont mind me asking when was the last time u saw him play?

Not wanting to fall into the trap of a lot of posters here in going hell for leather defending my own clubman, i do have my reservations about whether he can still cut it but give him a chance to prove himself without writing him off
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on January 11, 2007, 06:09:34 PM
No doubt every player that is fairly close to county level will be given a run out in the next three weeks or so. But ability alone is not enough anymore. I think Mayo should look towards the younger brigade now who are proven winners on the national stage. A lot of the faces that have re-joined the panel have been tried before,some by a couple of different managers and they always come up short on the big day. Are four or five under-21s enough to be bringing into the squad at this stage? It always seems we are only looking towards "next year or two years max." and players who will be needed over the next 4 years are sitting on the side-lines,not getting this "blooding" experience.We should be laying down the foundations for the next 10 years with this team of u-21s.I know we need a mix of youth and experience, but there is too much "experience",in my opinion. John o has his work cut out i think. We need a total transformation of the mental make-up of this team,how many more times can we go to the well with the same men still playing in key positions,with the same frailties still there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 11, 2007, 06:55:06 PM
Regarding Sweeney, lately is it just me or does he seem to give the ball away too much? As for Armagh Stephenite, I think we would have taken them last year too. I heard today that 8 Stephenites are on the trial panels. Fair play to them is all I'd say but I doubt they will have that amount come the summer.
Title: Re: Tubberman
Post by: AbbeySider on January 12, 2007, 09:44:49 AM
Tubberman:
check ur private messages
Title: Re: League format
Post by: AbbeySider on January 12, 2007, 09:49:22 AM
QuoteLeague format nears completion
12 January 2007

Chairman of the specially formed committee to alleviate the league structure problem in the county, Eamon Clarke, believes a resolution will be found shortly.

The committee's original proposal was rejected at a county board meeting before Christmas and now they must go back and draw up a new format and although there is increasing concern among clubs as to when this will be sorted, Clarke stressed that all will be revealed in good time.

"We're still working away at it and nothing has been fully finalised, but after the original proposal was rejected we must now await the outcome of the 2006 league season before we can bring our new plans to the table," said Clarke.

"At this stage our proposal is fairly concrete and we will be in a position to reveal more detail in the coming week. At the end of the day, however, it's all about servicing the clubs and making sure they are happy, so it will have to be ratified by the delegates at the next meeting of the board."
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Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 13, 2007, 11:34:59 AM
There was more in the WP about the league, a proposal from Ballintubber, the basic gist was that there are 60 teams in Mayo, so it should be 20 senior, 20 inter & 20 junior.
This yrs div 1 & the top 8 teams from div 2 making up div 1A & 1B, top 2 in each playing off, bottom 1 in each relegated.
Similiar story with inter, div 2A & 2B
Junior spilt up into north & east and south & west
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ziggysego on January 13, 2007, 03:52:55 PM
Congratulations to Killala on beating Fulham London and making it to the All Ireland semi-final. I look forward to meeting you all in 5 weeks time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 13, 2007, 09:08:38 PM
I for one hope Killala continue the Mayo hoodoo over Tyrone that has developed in recent years!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Marooned on January 16, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
Congrats to Kevin O'Neill and Mayo U-21's team who won Gaelic Footballer and Team of the Year Awards respectively in the Western People Sports Star Awards
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 16, 2007, 10:12:29 AM
Yes congrats to chuckie, one in the face for all those who said he was too old, past it, and just not good enough this time last year, u know who u are!

Anyone going to sligo on wednesday nite?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 17, 2007, 04:46:16 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 16, 2007, 10:12:29 AM
Anyone going to sligo on wednesday nite?

Anyone who does might be kind enough to stick up something small on here, teams, brief match report etc. I'd be very greatful
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 17, 2007, 09:11:39 AM
Team for tonight...

1.   Kenneth O'Malley      Ballinrobe

2.   Dermot Geraghty      Shrule-Glencorrib
3.   James Kilcullen      Ballaghaderreen
4.   Keith Higgins      Ballyhaunis

5.   Peadar Gardiner      Crossmolina
6.   David Heaney      Swinford
7.   Enda Devenney      Ballina

8.   Ronan McGarrity      Ballina
9.   David Brady         Ballina

10.   Aidan Campbell      Swinford
11.   Alan Dillon         Ballintubber
12.   Ger Brady         Ballina

13.   Marty Mc Nicholas      Breaffy
14.   Aidan Kilcoyne      Knockmore
15.   Mickie Mullins      Claremorris
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on January 17, 2007, 09:12:13 AM
Mayo team v Sligo IT

Kenneth O'Malley    
Dermot Geraghty    
James Kilcullen        
Keith Higgins            
Peadar Gardiner      
David Heaney          
Enda Devenney        
Ronan McGarrity
David Brady            
Aidan Campbell        
Alan Dillon              
Ger Brady                
Marty Mc Nicholas  
Aidan Kilcoyne        
Mickie Mullins          

Surprisingly strong selection for the first outing of the season, any comments?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 17, 2007, 09:29:12 AM
Be interesting to see how kilcullen gets on at FB, O'malley in goal, and devenney at wb.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Cllr Willie Power on January 17, 2007, 09:29:27 AM
Big night for new Mayo boss


TONIGHT marks another significant chapter in the well-travelled career of John O'Mahony when the Mayo boss oversees his first game for his new charges, WRITES PADDY HICKEY.

"It's the start of a new adventure for me, and that's always an interesting experience," commented O'Mahony, as he looked forward to a Connacht FBD clash with Sligo IT under lights at the Sligo IT complex at Ballinode in Sligo town (7.30).

O'Mahony, who has been buoyed by the decisions of veterans David Brady, James Nallen and Kevin O'Neill to soldier on for another season, has been unable to run the rule over most of last year's panel who have been on holiday in the Caribbean.

However, the party returned home last Sunday, and so a number of the regulars are likely to play. But some of the players who featured in last year's All-Ireland loss to Kerry will be absent. Ciaran McDonald (back) and Barry Moran (groin) are ruled out with injury, and Liam O'Malley, Andy Moran and Barry Regan will be involved with Sligo IT.

As well, the Dublin-based players will not be called on, and this means that Sligo IT will not have to contend with the likes of Austin O'Malley, Conor Mortimer, O'Neill, Gary Mullins and Billie Joe Padden.

Another absentee will be midfielder Pat Harte who is at university in Edinburgh.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 17, 2007, 09:32:24 AM
Yeah, that's a pretty strong team.
It will be interesting to see how some of them get on:
Kilcullen at FB - We need to try out a new FB, so this is a big chance for Kilcullen to stake his claim.
Enda Devenney - For a man who has never been a permanent fixture on the squad, there's been an awful lot of talk about him. Hopefully he'll prove all that talk was justified.
Aidan Campbell - Still v young, but a lot of potential. Unlikely to get a starting place when the real action starts, but definitely one for the future, so good to see him getting a chance.
Whole FF Line - Great to see Marty Mc back again after all his injuries. Not sure he'll break into the team, but a good man to have on the bench.
I'd have thought Aidan Kilcoyne would be given a HF line position. He may play there yet. Was excellent when brought on against Laois and Dublin in Croker last year, and vital to the U-21 win. Could be his year to nail down a starting position.
Mickie Mullins - Know very little about this guy, don't think I've ever seen him play.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 17, 2007, 10:09:15 AM
I kow this is just a step up from a challange match but does   is  this the 1st time James nallen has actually been dropped when available which is nearly always?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 17, 2007, 10:59:24 AM
It's a good team. It must be the first time I've not seen Nallen on a teamsheet, perhaps a sign of things to come? As tubberman said, this could be the chance for Kilkullen to claim the no 3 jersey and Heaney may well stake the claim for the no 6 spot. Its nice to see Aiden Campbell in the forwards, he has great potential so I suppose I'm not too surprised, hopefully he will play well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: venter on January 17, 2007, 11:19:42 AM
The Last time I can remember Jimmy Nallen not starting when available was the League final in 2001. He came on at half time and I think he might have ended up getting the man of the match award.

I was a bit worried when T Mort wasnt on the team, but it'll likely be 12-15  different players on sunday for the roscommon game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 23, 2007, 12:38:42 PM
The Sligo result was somewhat disappointing but things look somewhat better after the win over Roscommon. It's encouraging that some loose ends seem to be coming together.
Conroy, Campbell and Kilcoyne all seemed to have shown up prominently and should be pressing for inclusion when the season gets underway. It was interesting to see BJP tried out at number 6; alternating the position between Heaney and Padden shows that Johnno is anxious to resolve the problem there as quickly as possible.
IMO, the FB and CHB positions are the ones causing the most concern at present. The consensus from people who were at both games is that O'Malley had a good game against Roscommon but is too small and light for the challenges ahead. Kilcullen made a satisfactory debut against Sligo IT. It'll take another outing or two to assess his prospects but the signs are encouraging.
It was great also to see that Trevor and Austin were on top form- they will be needed for the hard road ahead.
It's good to see that already the team is taking on some sort of shape.

Title: the annual anti AOM campaign starts here
Post by: rosnarun on January 23, 2007, 04:31:32 PM
not really but it way too early to start talking about teams taking shape to find new players we have to show a lot of patience and realize of the many that will try ther will only be a couple to make it but they must be given every chance in the league ect and a lot of choping and chamnging will be necessary and just because a newbe has a poor game he still need support this is a time for real supporters . except austin hes crap and o'neill is too skow too old
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 23, 2007, 04:34:48 PM
Quoteo'neill is too skow too old

FFS ros ur starting this sh!te again this year, u said the same thing last year over and over, he's getting the western people award this weekend for being mayo's player of the year (Not one i agree with, but he wasn't too far off)
The lad proved this year he's a class act
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: billy the kid on January 23, 2007, 04:37:07 PM
To be honest Mayo will always be the Nearly Team. Not nearly enough class to win sam. Reckon O' Mahonony is the last throw of the dice. Just seem to lack the bottle for big games. And in my opinion Derry will be lively contenders for sept time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 23, 2007, 04:38:26 PM
Billy, you really are a kid. Do your homework like a good boy.
Title: Re: the annual anti AOM campaign starts here
Post by: AbbeySider on January 23, 2007, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 23, 2007, 04:31:32 PM
except austin hes crap

::)  ::)

Stop talkin rubbish ros. Austey is one of our best forwards. The only reason he didnt get more games last year is because of a niggling ankle injury that didnt clear up properly. Are you just shit stirring for the sake of it?  :-\




Quote from: billy the kid on January 23, 2007, 04:37:07 PM
To be honest Mayo will always be the Nearly Team. Not nearly enough class to win sam. Reckon O' Mahonony is the last throw of the dice. Just seem to lack the bottle for big games. And in my opinion Derry will be lively contenders for sept time.

Wow... That was the child's first post out side of the Northern GAA threads!
You really wandered a far from home there kid. Run along back to where ya came from ya fool of a took...  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 23, 2007, 04:46:50 PM
QuoteReckon O' Mahonony is the last throw of the dice

Reckon ur right there billy, we'll prob just give up when o'mahony fails, maybe give hurling a go, though i cant imagine we'll be much better at that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: billy the kid on January 23, 2007, 04:47:50 PM
Well u would be no worse than us!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 23, 2007, 05:17:11 PM
Mayo4Sam
all right Ill cut down on the Irony if its not appreciated but i'll be right one of these years
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 24, 2007, 08:14:47 AM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 24, 2007, 11:15:36 AM

Where is barney?

He hasnt posted here in ages...  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 24, 2007, 11:45:19 AM
QuoteWhere is barney?

In a statement earlier today new Mayo County Board spokesman Mr. D. Rumsfeld announced that Barney had been arrested and taken to Blacksod Bay Detainment Camp for questioning. He has been classified as an 'enemy combatant' by the CB and is being held without trial in Camp X-Ray. Witnesses describe Barney as being calm but most heard him shout 'you can't handle the truth' numerous times before being taken away.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 24, 2007, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 24, 2007, 11:45:19 AM
In a statement earlier today new Mayo County Board spokesman Mr. D. Rumsfeld announced that Barney had been arrested and taken to Blacksod Bay Detainment Camp for questioning. He has been classified as an 'enemy combatant' by the CB and is being held without trial in Camp X-Ray. Witnesses describe Barney as being calm but most heard him shout 'you can't handle the truth' numerous times before being taken away.

;D ;D
Title: Warms the Soul......
Post by: AbbeySider on January 26, 2007, 04:23:56 PM
Warms the Soul......


O'Mahony glad to be back in the hot seat
26 January 2007

Mayo manager John O'Mahony admits that he is really enjoying his role and always knew that he was destined to come back and manage his native county some day.

O'Mahony has been running the rule over a number of players during the FBD League and putting the squad through their paces ahead of the National Football League that kicks off in a fortnight's time.

"I enjoy being back in management. Deep down, inevitably, the way my career developed, I was always going to be back managing Mayo," admitted O'Mahony.

"I wouldn't have said it publicly but I knew it was likely. There was always great pressure to be there. I wanted to pick the best time but, to be honest, there's never a perfect time.

"I enjoy the big days too. I enjoy being clam on the big days. I would like to think that I send out a feeling of calmness on the big day because there's only one thing that's important – that we have won the match."


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2007, 02:10:55 PM
Why are the Mayo hurlers in the Kehoe cup could anyone with insights on the small-ball game tell me? I thought it was for Leinster teams only.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on January 29, 2007, 02:20:19 PM
Mayo first enetered the Kehoe Cup a few years ago to get extra games. The Leinster council is well run and they are very much in favour of letting other counties outside their province in. This year Roscommon and Mayo played in the Kehoe Cup, while Antrim and Down played in the Walsh Cup. The higher standard helps connacht teams prepare better.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: intoDwest on January 29, 2007, 04:52:27 PM
any reports on the challange games over the weekend? how did mayo play against louth and what was the lineup?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2007, 08:37:54 AM
Congrats to Chuckie, for a man who has been ignored for so long its mighty that he'll finally get some kind of reward, couldn't happen to a nicer fella.
Our first captain since '93(?), hope he has better luck that PB
Wouldn't it be greta to see a Knockmore man lift Sam   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hopefully this means JOM has a full time CF spot kept for him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 30, 2007, 09:22:00 AM
A surprise choice really, but fair play to O'Neill. It's been some couple of years for him!
He obviously still has the drive and determination, even if there must be huge doubts about his ability to last a full game.
But it must be remembered he was one of the few players to really perform last Sept
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 30, 2007, 01:54:50 PM
Great interview with JOM in this week's Mayo News. He talks pure sense, I can't wait to see how things develop this year.

Following the leader

INTERVIEW
Mike Finnerty
mikefinnerty@mayonews.ie

WEDNESDAY morning in Claremorris and the wind sweeps through the streets. People scurry from their cars to the shops and life in the South Mayo town carries on regardless.
You step through a small door on D'Alton Street and arrive in a warm, cosy room. It is simply decorated, yet welcoming and a local newspaper lies casually on the table.
On the walls are pictures. Dozens are crammed with faces from around the region, one is of the Fine Gael leader, and most others feature the man of the moment.
Only one has an obvious football connection. It may be over 17 years old now but it still retains its energy and colour. It was taken in Croke Park just after the 1989 All-Ireland Final. A track-suited 36 year old is standing in the foreground, his emotions sketched across his face.
People mill around him. One holds a sign above his head. 'John Says Keep The Faith' reads the banner.
That picture may paint a thousand words but now it nestles in the corner of the Mayo manager's Dáil election office. And John O'Mahony has little time to dwell on the past.

SO how busy is the Mayo manager as he attempts to lead the county footballers to their first All-Ireland in 56 years and get elected to Dail Eireann at the same time? He smiles and tells you a quick story to set the scene.
"I'm learning the ability to switch instantly from one to the other," he explains. "I had training on Tuesday night in Castlebar and drove to Knock afterwards to a farmers' meeting about lactose content in milk. You switch totally. It meant that I didn't get any food after training but that's probably no harm, it'll help the diet," he chuckles.
"What I'm enjoying is the little bit of freedom. In the past I'd have been in the classroom all day and going off to training after. I didn't even have a mobile phone back in those early days with Mayo; I have two of them now."
We sit and talk for almost an hour, our conversation interrupted only by a telephone call from party headquarters and a constituent that drops in for a quick word. The local postman, who has Davitts GAA club roots, also shoots the breeze with O'Mahony for a few minutes about a game that was played many moons ago against Ballaghaderreen. If Johnno' is under pressure he is hiding it well.
"I don't know to be honest," he says when asked if this Mayo squad is good enough or mentally strong enough to win this year's All-Ireland. "This is how I put it to the players, I'm not appearing here to wave a magic wand and say, 'This is the way that this is done'. But I would be confident that I have a fair idea of how to help the players to find the solution to why they haven't won the ultimate prize.
"Everyone is asking at the moment, 'Can we bring back Sam?' My answer is that Mayo will bring back Sam. The question is when. I can't guarantee immediate success. What I will guarantee is that we will do everything right to have a real assault on the championship this year. And that's not being evasive.
"People look back on the disappointment of the Kerry game last year as if that's the only thing to solve," he continues. "I would love to be in the situation where it was now the morning after the Dublin match and take it from there.
"But that's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing is getting the squad back together, dealing with the after-effects of the final, bringing in new players, and putting the jigsaw together from the very start.
"When we get to the stage of getting back into finals again we'll deal with them. But that's not what's to be solved now. Right now we have to get consistency into our game, get a game-plan, get everybody working together. Once we get that we'll move on to the next stage."

THE Mayo manager will be 54 in June. He was appointed to his current position eight weeks ago and has looked at 55 players so far.
He knows what men like David Heaney, James Nallen, David Brady, Ciaran McDonald and others like them bring to the table. It is the new faces that he is trying to read.
"What's needed is ambition, dedication, commitment and a basic amount of talent," offers O'Mahony. "Pace is an important commodity in the modern game, as is physical strength. But that doesn't mean that we won't have some light guys on the team, it's about balance.
"Character would be another thing," he adds quickly. "There will be setbacks along the way and mental strength is a huge thing, especially in Mayo.
"We have taken a buffeting over the years. We have done tremendously to get so close but there is something that we need to get into the heads that when we get to that stage again that we put in the performance that will get us close. That's all you can do; get the performance.
"That's what Mayo did against Dublin, they got themselves into a position to win the game. That didn't happen against Kerry.
"People ask, 'Are you going to win an All-Ireland if you get into it again?' First of all you have to get into a position to do that. Stage two is to close the deal. We didn't do either in 2004 or 2006. But I'm not even thinking about that yet."

IN the run-up to last year's All-Ireland Final the late Johnny Mulvey was asked what his life would have been like without Mayo football. 'Sure it wouldn't have been a life at all," was his heartfelt response.
O'Mahony seems to share a similar philosophy. Football permeates every second of every day for him. He is fascinated by its minute details, intoxicated by its unpredictability, and convinced of its ability to bind people together.
"Mayo people are unique in the sense there's huge passion, we've come so close, the hopes have been raised so many times...
"Last year was a big year in that the U-21 title was won. Mayo don't have a divine right to get to finals and lose them all the time. They don't have a divine right to win them but they don't have a divine right to lose them and the U-21s showed that.
"The one thing that I would want people to remember is that anything I've achieved in football is with people working together. Let nobody think that Mayo's football problems are solved because John O'Mahony is back.
"If Mayo are to be successful while I'm around it'll be Mayo's success, not mine. It'll be the people all around doing various jobs that come together. This individuality has to be got out of every level, including management. When I'm gone it will have been the county that will have been successful, not me. I'm not saying that for the sake of saying it, I'm not being patronising."
His voice raises just a notch as he warms to the theme.
"There is no chance of success if anybody is seen to be above anybody else's station. Any conflict anywhere along the line cannot be allowed. That was one of the things that has been mentioned in relation to my previous time in Mayo. I am convinced that that's not there now."
Debate among Mayo supporters is intense just now as the National League and another season is about to dawn. One of the more interesting subjects is how John O'Mahony, renowned for his man-management skills, will marry the striking individuality of some of his squad with the needs of the team. How will be convince everyone of the benefits?
"You encourage individuality, of course you do. Every player must be pushing themselves to the maximum. How to put that together into the maximum effort of the team is the trick. But there isn't a formula that you can present to the lads and say, 'Boys, this is the way to do it.' It's a slow process. But if you're successful then everyone is a winner. The great example was TJ Kilgallon in 1989 who sacrificed his midfield game to play centre-back in the All-Ireland."

WE have run out of time. John O'Mahony has people to meet and his first game of the new season with Mayo is just hours away now.
It signals the beginning of a three year term during which time he hopes to deliver Sam Maguire. And if he doesn't, will his second coming have been a failure?
"I'd die happy if it could be achieved. But I would have no worries if there was a momentum being built and structures put in place over three to five years that eventually led to Mayo winning an All-Ireland.
"I don't have to be central to that success. Of course you'd love it to happen in your era but the important thing is that it happens."

JOHN O'MAHONY
Quoteunquote

Being Mayo boss
"Let nobody think that Mayo's football problems are solved because John O'Mahony is back. If Mayo are to be successful while I'm around it'll be Mayo's success, not mine."

May 20 v Galway
"I have great memories of my time in Galway but the only thing that will count for me that day is for Mayo to be successful."

All-Irelands lost
"My thoughts would be that that doesn't have any lasting impact. It's something that needs attention and it's something that I am and will be giving attention to."

Filling positions
"There are plenty of different opinions on how we should pick from full-back right up to full-forward. Right down the centre are open books."

Getting elected and winning Sam
"I'm not a betting man. What are the each-way odds?"

Most important thing learned in management
"Try and earn respect, not demand it."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2007, 02:09:53 PM
Its a good article giving the impression of a grounded man who can see the huge potential in this mayo team
Title: Captaincy role surprises O’Neill
Post by: AbbeySider on January 31, 2007, 01:52:11 PM
From the Hogan Stand...


Captaincy role surprises O'Neill
31 January 2007

Mayo attacker Kevin O'Neill has insisted that he was surprised to have been chosen to captain his county this year as they bid to secure an elusive All-Ireland SFC title.

The 33 year old is delighted to receive the honour but admits that he didn't see it coming as he had been concentrating on keeping fit and playing.

"My intention will be to play, make the team, lead by example . . . just the same as everyone else," the seasoned campaigner explained.

"I'll be fighting for a place and that's my first objective. Nobody is guaranteed that. I didn't expect to be given the captaincy but at the same time you have to take it when it's offered to you.

"It wasn't something that I had ever really thought about. I had no real interest in being captain. I suppose maybe I was chosen because I'm there so long with Mayo and I have a fair bit of experience.

"I'm also based in Dublin and a lot of the lads are up here at the moment so I guess it's a way of keeping things together when we're training during the week."




"Lead by example" ... that summed him up against Dublin and Kerry last year. What a legend. Delighted for him
Title: McDonald nearing return
Post by: AbbeySider on February 08, 2007, 05:03:45 PM
McDonald nearing return
Mayo's Ciaran McDonald
08 February 2007

Mayo manager John O'Mahony has revealed that All-Star Ciaran McDonald is back in light training and may play some part in the National football league campaign.

McDonald has been suffering from a bulging disc in his back all winter, but the injury has responded well to treatment and the Crossmolina player returned to the squad last week.

"He's getting intensive treatment but the situation is he's going to be out for the next number of weeks but hopefully not too long," said O'Mahony.

"He'll have some input into the league. The main thing we want to do is get this right. The perfect solution would be an operation but we can't afford that because he'd be out for the season so we're trying other methods. Our medical team and our backroom team are working very hard to get that right."

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on February 08, 2007, 05:08:58 PM
Great to hear some positive news about his return. Hopefully he'll return soon enough. Hope he'll just be careful not to make it worse though. Things are looking up!! ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 27, 2007, 11:24:05 AM
This thread was waaaaay back. Anyway has anyone been checking out the mchalepark.com board?
It looks good but im not so sure if there is room for another GAA board.

Like so far Mayo Gaa have this one (Mayo threads at least)
MayoFans board
Hogan Stand
and now McHale Park board.

Something gotta give. Mayo people have been very quiet as of late on this board and on this topic in particular.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 27, 2007, 02:11:09 PM
Thats cause theres feck all happening on the club scene.
Knockmore had a "friendly" with Hollymount, never thought i'd say those words, at the weekend but i heard no news of it
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 27, 2007, 02:24:49 PM
Just checked that site out, some cheeky fecker has robbed my name  >:(

Frank browne is doing a column for them
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ildanach on February 27, 2007, 04:09:51 PM
anyword on mcdonalds recovery and the oneill and brady injuries from the weekend. Big game v fermanagh in 2 weeks. A win there and in one of our home games would assure us of divison 1 next year i think
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on February 27, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
It said in one of the papers that D Brady has a bad calf injury and could be out for a few weeks while with K O Neill they are not certain weather or not he'll be back yet and his problem is with his hamstring, fingers crossed on both of them anyway!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on February 27, 2007, 07:34:16 PM
Quotewith K O Neill they are not certain weather or not he'll be back yet

What, at all!!??  ;)

Brady didn't mention the injury on Sunday Sport (big report on it from Ballina Stephenites), so hopefully it's not going to keep him out for too long. He's had no long run without injury for the last couple of years, so it's very worrying that midfield seemed to fall apart without him on Sunday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 27, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 27, 2007, 11:24:05 AM
Anyway has anyone been checking out the mchalepark.com board?
It looks good but im not so sure if there is room for another GAA board.

Like so far Mayo Gaa have this one (Mayo threads at least)
MayoFans board
Hogan Stand
and now McHale Park board.

Something gotta give. Mayo people have been very quiet as of late on this board and on this topic in particular.



Hae checked it out, while it looks OK I'd have a major gripe with the way it is laid out. Little sub folders dedicated to everything to do with Mayo GAA is a no no in my view, just too much clicking in and out of them, pain in the hole.

Why not just have Mayo GAA and maybe a club scene, one for non-GAA related stuff and leave it at that
Title: Mort points toward Mayo May day
Post by: AbbeySider on February 28, 2007, 02:17:21 PM
gaa.ie


Mort points toward Mayo May day

Tuesday, February 27

Mayo have a new manager, selectors and a different training regime, but the yearly targets remain the same, according to Conor Mortimer.

Last year the bleach-haired diminutive corner forward was top scorer in the championship (1-32) as Mayo took the Connacht title, came from behind to beat Dublin in the game of the year (quarter-final) but ultimately were felled cruelly by Kerry in the All-Ireland SFC final.

Since, Mickey Moran and John Morrison have departed and been replaced by John O'Mahony, the man who led Galway to All-Ireland success. Kieran Gallagher, Tommy Lyons, and Martin Carney have come on board as selectors and an analyst respectively.

The Sam Maguire final defeat last autumn has been exorcised by the panel and a marker was set down early on with the National League first round victory over the Kingdom.

"We have a new manager on board and selectors and everything changes. The training regime, the times you're training and the way you're training all change," said 25-year-old Mortimer.

"We don't look to the past. I think it stays on everyone's minds outside the panel about what happened last year and in 2004, and further back (All-Ireland final defeats to Meath and Kerry respectively in 1996 and 1997). It's not really on the minds of the players on the panel.

"We did it last year as well (beat Kerry in the first round of the league). It's good to start with a big game," added the DCU student.

"We have a tendency to start well in the league and as the league phases out to the semi-finals and finals so have Mayo. Hopefully this year will be different and we can get to the latter stages of the league, which I think we are well capable of doing."

Though O'Mahony and his backroom have not yet outlined their goals for the year to the squad, Mortimer believes everything is geared towards one game - Galway versus Mayo in the Connacht Championship on 20 May.

"We're all gunning towards May - Galway in May at Pearse Stadium. Whether it be league games, challenge games or training it's all geared towards Galway in May," said the Shrule-Glencorrib clubman.

"When you play Galway you never know which way it's going to go no matter how well prepared you are it's always going to be close. I think confidence is fairly good. We wouldn't be downhearted about last year at this stage of the year.

"It hasn't been set out for us as such (targets for the year). It's more a case of take it each game as it comes. But for us players I think we expect to stay in Division 1.

"I think ultimately you have to start looking at your province. People will say we're probably the best team in the province at the moment but when it comes to championship there are four or five teams that on any given day can win games - it's the same in every province.

"If we can win Connacht then we can start planning every game after that because it's only three games and you're in an All-Ireland final again.

"It's a long way off and don't get me wrong it's hard to get to back to back All-Ireland finals. But, I think we're well good enough to do so if, when it comes to it, we can get everything right training wise, physically and mentally."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on February 28, 2007, 04:45:39 PM
Some good words there by C Mort and it is nice to hear they are totally preparing for the championship, or the first game (Galway game) in the championship!! :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on February 28, 2007, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 28, 2007, 02:17:21 PM
gaa.ie



"If we can win Connacht then we can start planning every game after that because it's only three games and you're in an All-Ireland final again.



Mort must be expecting another draw this year in the Quarters or semi final if Mayo win a Connacht title.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on February 28, 2007, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on February 28, 2007, 04:45:39 PM
Some good words there by C Mort and it is nice to hear they are totally preparing for the championship, or the first game (Galway game) in the championship!! :)
Why does it always seem to be the same players who talk to the media? Wouldnt it be great to hear from someone different from time to time. In fairness its the same old stuff that gets trotted out every year. Maybe it would be better that some players did more of the talking on the field and less in the media!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 01, 2007, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on February 28, 2007, 05:48:12 PM
Why does it always seem to be the same players who talk to the media? Wouldnt it be great to hear from someone different from time to time.

Exactly... it always seems like D Brady and C Mort are the only ones giving the interviews. You never hear much from the other players.
JOM has similar things to say:


'Galway date is D-day' - O'Mahony
Mayo manager John O'Mahony
28 February 2007

Mid-May and not late February is when teams reach the business end of the year, Mayo team-manager John O'Mahony has re-iterated.

O'Mahony says he would like to see Mayo fans taking a balanced view of his team's outings, considering that there will be ups and downs over the course of the year.

"There's a lot of talk about how we will do this year," O'Mahony explained.

"A lot of it is wild talk to a certain extent. I think it's important to realise that nowadays you don't get anything soft in Connacht.
"The big, big day for us is May 20th (against Galway). It's important that we keep an even keel on it.

"I don't want people to go into depression when we lose just as I don't want people to get too excited when we beat the likes of a Kerry team still recovering from the All-Ireland celebrations."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on March 01, 2007, 01:36:52 PM
Toady is the first of march according to the county board the league will start up again in the county on Patricks weekend. But as far as I know no fixture list has been circulated for the first round never mind the season, it's only two weeks away now. (If it has, I offer my apologies now). But I suppose this is what we expect from a county board that saw the completion of the 2006 league in 2007.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on March 01, 2007, 02:01:31 PM
If Mayo do win connaught how many games would they have prior to a final?.                                                                          As bad as last years final was I still think that team with a bit of tweaking are capable of landing Sam if had kerry in any other game than the final, tyrone and kerry would go through a fire to win, Mayo show this quality only in every few games, the quality is there for sure, its the attitude that has been the problem.
Any one else agree or disagree?
Any word on ciaran mac and his back injury? He is a the best player in ireland to watch, some others are great but he does real tricks, and I hope he gets his due in celtic cross terms.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on March 01, 2007, 02:24:36 PM
There are league fixtures on the Mayogaa.com website

I don't think they've been circulated to clubs but they are under fixtures on that website. It just says the round number and not the date but the first five rounds are for these dates
March 17
March 25
April 8
April 22
April 28
You can just correspond these dates with the rounds listed after each game. I think.

But they should have been made more clear cut long before now
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on March 01, 2007, 02:43:14 PM
Cheers for that sniper, I put together there the first weekends league action for Divisions 1 and 2, What do ye reckon

Division 1A
Cross v Louisburgh
Ballintubber v Tourmack
Westport v Belmullet
Kiltane v Ballinrobe
Davits v Moy Davitts

Division 1B
Castlebar v Knockmore
Claremorris v Ballagh'
Charlestown v Breaffy
Burrishoole v Kilmeena
Ballina v Shrule

Divison 2A
Swinford v Balla
Aghamore v Eastern Gaels
Ballina B v Bonniconlan
Carrowmore v Garrymore
The Neale v Kilcomman

Divison 2B
Hollymount v Cross B
Kiltimagh v Ballyhaunis
Islandeady v Parke
Killala v Moygownagh
Kilmaine v Mayo Gales
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on March 01, 2007, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: westmayo on March 01, 2007, 01:36:52 PM
Toady is the first of march according to the county board the league will start up again in the county on Patricks weekend. But as far as I know no fixture list has been circulated for the first round never mind the season, it's only two weeks away now. (If it has, I offer my apologies now). But I suppose this is what we expect from a county board that saw the completion of the 2006 league in 2007.

Fact.

I see James Horan had a swipe at the CB on this very issue in this weeks Western People. Fair play to him but I'd say his sister didn't thank him for it seeing as she is the County Board PRO....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on March 01, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: muscles magoo on March 01, 2007, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: westmayo on March 01, 2007, 01:36:52 PM
Toady is the first of march according to the county board the league will start up again in the county on Patricks weekend. But as far as I know no fixture list has been circulated for the first round never mind the season, it's only two weeks away now. (If it has, I offer my apologies now). But I suppose this is what we expect from a county board that saw the completion of the 2006 league in 2007.

Fact.

I see James Horan had a swipe at the CB on this very issue in this weeks Western People. Fair play to him but I'd say his sister didn't thank him for it seeing as she is the County Board PRO....

She's his cousin rather than his sister
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on March 01, 2007, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 01, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: muscles magoo on March 01, 2007, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: westmayo on March 01, 2007, 01:36:52 PM
Toady is the first of march according to the county board the league will start up again in the county on Patricks weekend. But as far as I know no fixture list has been circulated for the first round never mind the season, it's only two weeks away now. (If it has, I offer my apologies now). But I suppose this is what we expect from a county board that saw the completion of the 2006 league in 2007.

Fact.

I see James Horan had a swipe at the CB on this very issue in this weeks Western People. Fair play to him but I'd say his sister didn't thank him for it seeing as she is the County Board PRO....

She's his cousin rather than his sister

Noted, apologies to all concerned.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on March 01, 2007, 09:40:03 PM
As far as I know, the game will be played on the weekends as listed by RedandGreenSniper  but not necessarily on those dates i.e. could be a mix of Saturday/Sunday games.

It's pretty lax of the county board not to have finalised it at this stage, is it dithering on the part of clubs that's holding it up or what??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 02, 2007, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: muscles magoo on March 01, 2007, 03:01:25 PM
I see James Horan had a swipe at the CB on this very issue in this weeks Western People.

He took a fair swipe at the team in general. Very critical article in general but I cant disagree with him either
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 02, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
I see Gavin Duffy has resigned for connaught, i wonder is there any possibility of him going back to football?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on March 02, 2007, 05:06:20 PM
not a chance would be my initial reaction M4S. I doubt Connacht would allow him play another sport anyway?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on March 02, 2007, 05:43:47 PM
QuoteDivision 1A
Cross v Louisburgh
Ballintubber v Tourmack
Westport v Belmullet
Kiltane v Ballinrobe
Davits v Moy Davitts
looking at it like that !a looks very weak
unless cross have gone further back than i thought they shouldnt have too much bother there.

As regard duffy i dont think he'd be in much shape for football after a few years rugby training thank good there no such a thing as a crash ball in football yet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 02, 2007, 05:51:00 PM
I think Duffy would have no bother making the mayo team if he decided to go for football, hes a phenomenal talent
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on March 02, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
I agree with you on his ability M4S, I played against him a few times and he's a class act. It's just that he wouldn't be able to play both codes. With rugger gone professional they just wouldn't allow it so that's why I reckon there isn't a chance we'll see him in the Green and Red again. Shame, as we could do with a powerful lad like himself around the middle of the park but we've long lost him to the oval ball me thinks.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on March 03, 2007, 05:25:27 AM
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on March 02, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
I agree with you on his ability M4S, I played against him a few times and he's a class act. It's just that he wouldn't be able to play both codes. With rugger gone professional they just wouldn't allow it so that's why I reckon there isn't a chance we'll see him in the Green and Red again. Shame, as we could do with a powerful lad like himself around the middle of the park but we've long lost him to the oval ball me thinks.

His contract will have a clause along the lines of not being allowed to play any other sports that may cause injury, Gavin is a phenomonal talent, but rugby is in his blood and we all knew that it would be his first sport
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2007, 03:01:36 AM
The draw for the Championship takes place this Tuesday night in the TF. I think it's kinda weird that the clubs will know who they play in the Championship before they know who they play in the league and the league is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on March 04, 2007, 11:36:56 PM
QuoteHis contract will have a clause along the lines of not being allowed to play any other sports that may cause injury, Gavin is a phenomonal talent, but rugby is in his blood and we all knew that it would be his first sport

If he has resigned from Connacht, then is his contract still binding? Have they agreed to releasing him or are they holding him to the terms of his contract?

He would indeed be a great addition but it would be a double-edged sword in my eyes, would be a killer to see Ballina regain a quality player like that but on the other hand it would be great to see him get a chance to show for Mayo...........
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on March 05, 2007, 09:31:22 AM
I think the word 'resigned' is causing a bit of confusion here  :D

McDanger, Gavin Duffy has signed for Connacht for a second time, returning from England i.e. he has re-signed for them.

So, he's very much a Connacht rugby player, so will not be available for Mayo I'm sure.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on March 05, 2007, 09:20:55 PM
Oops, apologies about that, as you say I read it as "resigned" rather than "re-signed"!!! Monday morning and all that........
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 06, 2007, 08:47:52 PM
Any word on the Club Championship draw? It is to be made sometime this evening.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on March 13, 2007, 10:34:46 AM
Some better news regarding injuries. Barry Moran played for the U-21s on Sat, so it looks like it wasn't the injury that prevented him playing in Clones, he's just not in favour.

From The Mayo News:

DESPITE Mayo's third victory of this National Football League campaign last Sunday, John O'Mahony was adamant afterwards that his team's position in Division 1 had still not been assured for next season.
"I wouldn't see our position consolidated with six points," he told The Mayo News. "I think we need more points. We are going to go after everything we can now. To a certain extent the pressure is off us a little because the Limerick and Fermanagh games are the ones you are expected to win.
"Cork's last home performance against Tyrone was magnificent and there'll be a backlash after their loss to Dublin. It's difficult to get points away from home, we'll be going in as underdogs, and hopefully we'll relish that."
Mayo's defence recovered from an indifferent opening to produce an outstanding display, holding Fermanagh scoreless for a 40 minute period. All six had their moments with Billy Padden turning in an accomplished performance at centre-half back.
"It's knitting in and they're getting used to each other," John O'Mahony admitted. "Enda Devenney has settled in well, so has Liam O'Malley, all of them as a group are doing well. It's important for a defence that they play well as a unit as well as individually.
"Billy Joe has settled in well at centre-back and hopefully we can get that team-work going because any team is greater than any individuals. We're not there yet but we're getting there."
On the injury front, Barry Moran is expected to return to full training this week. The Castlebar Mitchels midfielder lined out for the Mayo U-21 team last Saturday after recovering from tonsilitis and injury.
Goalkeeper David Clarke was not on the bench for Mayo last Sunday because of a back injury but Kevin O'Neill is expected to have recovered from his hamstring strain for the match against Cork on Saturday week.
However, David Brady looks likely to miss the trip to Pairc Uí Rinn due to his calf injury. The Ballina midfielder hopes to do some running next weekend and the April 1 clash with Dublin looks the most likely date for his return.
And what of Ciaran McDonald? "Ciaran did a bit of light training with us during the last few weeks," O'Mahony revealed. "He's working in Cork at the minute, that contract is due to finish soon, but we have to be patient.
"This was an injury that affected Ciaran before the All-Ireland last year. We'll have him back as soon as we can. He's doing everything, our medical team are doing everything, but he's not going to be available for the next game or two."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on March 13, 2007, 04:56:59 PM
Its great to hear that B Moran and K O Neill will be back for the game v Cork. Good to hear about Brady and McDonald coming back soon enough. I think D Brady will be badly missed in midfield for the Cork game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 03, 2007, 08:30:52 AM
Right I'm going to be the first to say it, I dont think MacDanger should be brought back into the starting 15. While undoubtably a phenomenal talent, if he plays like he has for the last few years it will take the speed out of our attack that we have at the minute and that i think can give us a huge advantage over the summer.
Can he change his game?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 03, 2007, 08:39:49 AM
I've been wondering the same thing Mayo4Sam - how would McD fit into the team the way we're playing at the moment?
There's no doubt that the attack would be slowed down, unless he gives a pass first time and the other players don't put every attack through him.
It will be very interesting to see how Johnno uses him, and how McD would react if he was left on the bench.
Title: Dropping Mcdonald!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: rosnarun on April 03, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
let god forgive you for you know not what you say
Title: Re: Dropping Mcdonald!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: stephenite on April 03, 2007, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 03, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
let god forgive you for you know not what you say

And that'll be the tamest response you'll get from the banks of the Deel for this particular heresy.

To answer the question of how he would cope with being on the bench, history would point to not very well being the most likely answer.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 03, 2007, 09:39:49 AM
I would think that hes a lot more of a team player and really is in it to get the medal now no matter what
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 03, 2007, 09:40:46 AM
He wouldnt cope with been on the bench, I'd think it very unlikely he'd be dropped, especially because his back injury could be fixed through surgery but that would mean he'd be out for a year or so and would be possible that it'd be his departure from intercounty football at his age so he is not going through with the surgery and is living with the pain by fixing it some other way just so he can still play!! Thats dedication for your county!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on April 03, 2007, 09:44:57 AM
Sure when he's back to full fitness and swinging them over from all angles he'll be there, I've no doubt about that. Johnno has the knack of knowing how to deal with players like McD, and he'll be playing his best if fuly fit. Mayo are unlikely to win an All Ireland without him.

I'd say a medal wouldn't mean a lot to a man like him if he spent the entire campaign on the bench, but I could be wrong
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 03, 2007, 09:57:00 AM
It wouldnt mean much for him, for someone like him for it to mean the most he'd want to have to work hard to get that medal!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 03, 2007, 09:57:37 AM
I dont think any team would keep a player like him on the bench all teh time but what a sub to have  :o
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 03, 2007, 01:59:56 PM
James Horan has named his team for the championship on the western today Certs, probables & chances

Clarke - Prob
O'Malley -Cert
Kilcullen/Heaney/Nallen - Chance
Higgins -Cert
Devenney-Cert
BJP-Cert
Gardiner-Cert
Harte-Cert
Brady-Prob, if not heaney
Moran-Cert
O'Neill/Brady/T Mort - Chance
Kilcoyne - Prob
MacDanger - Cert
Dillon - Cert
Mort - Cert


Cant say i agree witha  lot of that.
I would say kilcullen is a cert
Wing back could be heaney, andy moran or devenney
Cant see where macdanger fits in and cant see chuckie being dropped
Kilcoyne could well make way to accomadate chuckie, brady and t mort

If i was picking my team for galway

Clarke
O'Malley
Kilcullen
Higgins
Moran/Devenney
BJP
Gardiner
Harte
Brady/Heaney
Dillon
T Mort/Brady
Kilcoyne
Mort
AOM
Chuckie
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 03, 2007, 03:12:22 PM
I wouldn't agree with some of that either:

I think I'd prefer O'Malley in goal - he seems much more comfortable under a high ball.
I wouldn't have Devenney as a cert. Aidan Higgins looked more assured on Sunday. 
I wouldn't have Harte as a cert for midfield, but prob a cert for a starting place somewhere.

But Mayo4Sam would you really have AOM in full forward!? I think his chance has come and gone now and unless he puts in a MOTM performance against Tyrone I can't see him starting a championship game. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on April 03, 2007, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2007, 03:12:22 PM
I wouldn't agree with some of that either:

I think I'd prefer O'Malley in goal - he seems much more comfortable under a high ball.
I wouldn't have Devenney as a cert. Aidan Higgins looked more assured on Sunday. 
I wouldn't have Harte as a cert for midfield, but prob a cert for a starting place somewhere.

But Mayo4Sam would you really have AOM in full forward!? I think his chance has come and gone now and unless he puts in a MOTM performance against Tyrone I can't see him starting a championship game. 

I think O Malley is the man to start in Goal.
Devenney has gone back in my estimation in the last 2 games...especially last Sunday ..he got roasted.
As for AOM...his last chance to nail down a starting place..went up in smoke last Sunday.
I'd put money on Heaney starting against Galway in midfield with Nallen or Prehaps Brady on Joyce in full back,Kilcullen inspires no confidence in me at all,Joyce would be way too cute for him.
Up front Chuckie and T Mort,Conor,Moran,Kilcoyne and Dillon. Mc Danger will be away from the game too long to start.
But doesnt all this show what great options there are for all positions on the pitch. Remember all the quality that is on the sidelines at the moment.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 03, 2007, 04:24:41 PM
I think it'll be horses for courses a lot this year since we have probably, barring injuries the most in-depth squad in the country, if MacDanger was fit i wouldn't mind him playign against galway for 2 reasons, that slow build u can get by galway and the main fact that they are afraid of their shite of him in much the same way we are of joyce.
I think AOM can be of great use against some teams, a la kerry

Like i say i cant see us having a settled team this year and hopefully we'll be all the better for it.
We can still be got at 13-1 on betfair as opposed to 10-1
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on April 06, 2007, 03:54:47 PM
O malley looks excellent  under the dropping ball but Clake has brilliant awareness and shot stopping ability we are well served in that area over all at the minute id go with Clarke who will be sub on sunday and rest of the league campaign ruddy still about?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on April 06, 2007, 04:03:18 PM
Lads with O'Malley injured for 8 weeks I think we are so very fortunate to have such a great goalkeeper as Clarke to replace him, how many County Teams can replace one of the best goalies in the Country with one of the others. Do think O'Malley slight bit better under the high ball all the same.

(O yea how to add a picture to my profile?)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 06, 2007, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Fishead_Sam on April 06, 2007, 04:03:18 PM
(O yea how to add a picture to my profile?)

In your profile go to forum profile information and pick a picture or else put in your own picture by URL.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on April 09, 2007, 07:06:31 PM

Results from todays club games

Welcome Inn League Division 1A
Ballintubber    1-20   0-5   Kiltane    
Tourmakeady    1-8   2-9   Crossmolina Deel Rovers    
Louisburgh    0-8   0-14   Westport    
Davitts    1-8   1-12   Ballinrobe    
Belmullet    0-13   3-4   Bohola Moy-Davitts    
Welcome Inn League Division 1B
Claremorris    0-8   0-8   Burrishoole    
Ballaghadereen    3-11   2-6   Castlebar Mitchels    
Knockmore    1-11   1-8   Charlestown    
Ballina Stephenites    2-12   3-8   Kilmeena    
Breaffy    0-12   1-8   Shrule-Glencorrib    
Welcome Inn League Division 2A
The Neale    0-12   1-12   Garrymore    
Welcome Inn League Division 2B
Ballyhaunis    0-13   1-12   Hollymount    
Welcome Inn League Division 3A
Balla    1-10   4-13   Ardnaree
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ildanach on April 16, 2007, 03:37:19 PM
from gaa.ie
Mayo talisman Ciaran McDonald will not be fit in time to play a role against Galway in the Connacht Senior Football Championship first round clash with Arch-rivals Galway on 20 May.

The Crossmolina clubman hasn't featured in the county jersey since the All-Ireland SFC final capitulation at the hands of Kerry last autumn.

With the championship opener just five weeks away, manager John O'Mahony has confirmed that McDonald will not have recovered sufficiently from an ongoing back problem to play any part.

The playmaker did attempt a return in a trial match a few weeks back but broke down
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 16, 2007, 08:11:30 PM
Hard luck to him, hope he'll be fit for the rest of the championship, a championship game will be different without him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on April 16, 2007, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: ildanach on April 16, 2007, 03:37:19 PM
from gaa.ie
Mayo talisman Ciaran McDonald will not be fit in time to play a role against Galway in the Connacht Senior Football Championship first round clash with Arch-rivals Galway on 20 May.

The Crossmolina clubman hasn't featured in the county jersey since the All-Ireland SFC final capitulation at the hands of Kerry last autumn.

With the championship opener just five weeks away, manager John O'Mahony has confirmed that McDonald will not have recovered sufficiently from an ongoing back problem to play any part.

The playmaker did attempt a return in a trial match a few weeks back but broke down

I heard that about two weeks ago.It seems it will be high summer at least before he's back. A massive loss.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 17, 2007, 04:50:36 PM
From gaa.ie:

Crossmolina boss Tommy Jordan is still hopeful that Ciaran McDonald will return to action this summer.

The playmaker hasn't turned out in the green and red of Mayo since last year's All-Ireland final and has now been ruled out of the championship opener against Galway by county boss John O'Mahony.

O'Mahony revealed that McDonald's continuing back problem just "hasn't responded" to treatment, and that no date has been pencilled in for any potential return to inter-county action.

"Obviously the issue for us is when he's coming back, as opposed to that he's not coming back," Jordan told the Irish Daily Mail, scotching talk that he might never play again.

"You'd be hoping he'll make it back for the championship both for ourselves and Mayo.

"The number one thing here is his health. He's no business playing if his back isn't right. Health comes first and you take football after that. We're certainly not putting any pressure on him."

It is believed that the player will have to undergo surgery to correct a disc problem in his back at some stage.

Meanwhile, O'Mahony also confirmed that David Brady will miss Sunday's league clash with Donegal at Croke Park because of a calf problem.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on April 19, 2007, 01:14:54 PM
There's a lovely interview with Kevin O'Neill in the Irish Times today. The way he can find time to fit everything into his life, and not to be bitter about some of the football reverses he's suffered, is stunning and humbling. Anyone here with a daughter at home should be punching the air with delight and relief were she to bring the likes of Kevin O'Neill home to dinner. An exemplary character.




Veteran still willing to serve the cause

Thu, Apr 19, 2007

National Football League Final: Ian O'Riordantalks to Kevin O'Neill about his decision to remain with the Mayo squad and how adversity has only strengthened their resolve

If there were any doubts about Mayo being quite the fully committed bunch this year then Kevin O'Neill single-handedly dismisses them all. Last September's All-Ireland defeat to Kerry did take time to wash out of the system, and it was widely expected one of the definite casualties would be the 33-year-old O'Neill.

But when John O'Mahony arrived as manager he not only convinced O'Neill to stay on, he also made him captain. The former All Star forward from 1993 realised the nature of the deal.

Based in Dublin, with a demanding job that involves periods of foreign travel, he clearly needed to be enjoying his football if he signed up - because the commitment would be absolute.

"To be honest after last year I really didn't expect that I'd continue playing intercounty football this year," says O'Neill. "And I did have to think long and hard about that before I decided to do it.

"John O'Mahony coming in was a huge influence. Everyone knows he's a hugely inspirational figure, a very experienced coach, and that was a huge factor in my decision to come back.

"But the captaincy was something I never expected to get. It's a great honour, at this stage of my career, but I don't see it as any extra pressure. I've always gone out to play as well as I can and lead by example. And I've never been shy before about saying things in the dressingroom.

"Football is also something I still enjoy. Sometimes people lose sight of that factor, with the level of commitment there. But at the end of the day it is very important to enjoy the game, feel relaxed playing football and to express yourself."

O'Neill has been doing plenty of that lately, his performances at corner forward central to Mayo progressing to the National League final against Donegal.

A calf muscle injury has left some doubt over his participation on Sunday, although he's obviously keen to get out there, and make some amends for what happened in Croke Park last September.

"It was hard to get back into the training mode, but last year is already history now, and we're looking forward to the year ahead. Nobody died, it wasn't the end of the world, and life goes on. We're fortunate to have made the league final, and to get back to Croke Park so soon after what happened last September.

"Of course we've tried to learn a few things from defeat that day, and I think as a group of players we've got an even stronger resolve now, and that's been seen throughout the league this year. We have been five or six points down in a number of games and come back to win, and that's great credit to the resolve of all the team."

O'Neill's career to date has been notably stop-start. After the high of his 1993 All Star he sustained a broken leg in 1997, then opted out of the panel altogether before his surprise comeback last year.

In the meantime he'd established a professional career as director of business development for Royal Bank of Canada, and being based in Dublin, along with the foreign travel, means a truly hectic schedule of balancing work and play.

"Well I'd always maintained a good level of fitness, playing club football with Na Fianna. If anything I'm in better physical condition now, being away from all the rigours of it for two or three years.

"But there's a group of eight of us based here in Dublin, like Billy Joe Padden, Gary Mullins, Aidan Higgins, Conor Mortimer, and we travel back to Mayo every weekend, and some weeks we'd meet up with the rest of the squad half way there. We do our weight training in Riverview in Clonskeagh, and football work in Clonkeen College in Stillorgan.

"Logistically it can be difficult the way traffic has gone, and there are the demands of work on top of that. But we're all aware of what we've signed up for. You just have to be exceptionally well organised, and well disciplined to manage the schedules.

"My work does involve lots of travel, to the US and UK, and around Europe. It can be exceptionally demanding to combine that with the football, but I always bring a gear bag with me and a pair of boots. But I suppose I enjoy that too. It's a very active schedule.

"It will be like that for most of the summer, but I'm used to that at this stage, and know how to get the diet right, and rest, and things like that. The general level of fitness is quite good, and rest is probably the most important thing for me at this stage.

"But I'm still looking forward to winning something over the next year or so."

Starting, that is, on Sunday.
© 2007 The Irish Times
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 19, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
sure is he not doing what most of us would love to do play for our counties but never got the chance so maybe he should be thanful
more than we should be thanful for him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 19, 2007, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: the ship on April 19, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
sure is he not doing what most of us would love to do play for our counties but never got the chance so maybe he should be thanful
more than we should be thanful for him.

Whats with the negativity?

Who is asking YOU to thank him?

It was a good article. It just shows players like O Neill make a lot of sacrifices for their county, which is a huge commitment.

Dont knock it

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 19, 2007, 03:29:37 PM
Fair play to you Abbeysider, i don't think some people realise the sacrafices the players make. Sure most of us would love to wear the jersey, but a lot of skillfull players have stopped playing when they were younger because they could not give the committment and wanted to head out weekends with their friends or head off on holidays. i know a lot of the present panel and the commintments they have made for club and county over the years is huge.They give the best days of their lives for the love of the game and the hope of getting a celtic cross.I know myself even if i had the talent which i don't i would not give the committment as it would be too much of a sacrafice.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on April 19, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Anyone know how St. Josephs of Castlebar did down in the ladies Colleges C Final in Ennis today?

Did we in the land of Green & Red add to the U-21s Connacht title in our long list of silverway for the year to come?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on April 19, 2007, 08:41:01 PM
Fishhead you will be proud to know that St. Josephs won today by 3-8 to 2-6, great achievment for the girls and all involved. Good catch of players from all the surrounding clubs (Castlebar, Breaffy. Carnacon) Cora Staunton was their coach this year, good to see some of her winning mentality rubbed off on them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 20, 2007, 11:22:46 AM
but where is the sacrifice if you love the game surely nobody has asked them to make all these sacrifices dont cod yourself its for the green and red its for themselves first and everything else afterwards.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 20, 2007, 11:34:04 AM
Sure you tell us why they are getting out of it,it must be the huge amount of money they get paid by the gaa.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 20, 2007, 11:41:34 AM
Quotebut where is the sacrifice if you love the game surely nobody has asked them to make all these sacrifices dont cod yourself its for the green and red its for themselves first and everything else afterwards.

You're either trying to rise people, or you're a miserable ould begrudger (nicest word I could apply).
Do you not think there's any sacrifice in going out training 5 nights a week practically year round these days?
Giving up any social life you might have with your friends?
Not being able to plan weekends away because of matches?
Getting anonymous whingers like you criticising them?

Of course they do it for the love of the game and the glory it could bring, but that doesn't mean there are no sacrifices.
 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 20, 2007, 11:51:54 AM
Wll said tubberman i'd say the ship is one of those who never kicked a ball in his life. Heads to the matches and abuses the players because he paid he hard earned money to watch them play.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 20, 2007, 01:21:28 PM
where is the sacrifice if you love what you are doing and while training maybe a chore, again i come back to the point that nobody makes them do this everything is voluntry and the glory the fame from playing for your county and an all ireland medal in your back pocket will make up for all the so called sacrifices.

i would never abuse anyone and greatly admire all our county and club players for all the entertainemnet they give us adults and especially the excitement it brings to the young ones.

maybe whatever back water you come from abuse players but where im from we cherish our players.       
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 20, 2007, 02:06:51 PM
First 'the ship' says:

Quote from: the ship
...maybe he should be thanful more than we should be thanful for him.


And then he comes out with :


Quote from: the ship on April 20, 2007, 01:21:28 PM
maybe whatever back water you come from abuse players but where im from we cherish our players.       


Where he comes from they are not "thankful" yet he claims they "cherish" players

This guy is a walking contradiction and complete hypocrite!
(putting it politely)


Run along back to your lectures now, good boy...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 20, 2007, 02:16:32 PM
Lads the ship is only  a s**t  Stirrer i'm not even going to respond to him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 24, 2007, 11:03:33 AM
abbeysider,point out to me where i said we were not thankful for the players, read my posts  slowly take your time then ask someone to explain what i wrote.

as for our friend the deel rover i would hate to have you playing beside me if a few words can upset you like that what would a knockmore man do to you.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 24, 2007, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: the ship on April 24, 2007, 11:03:33 AM
abbeysider,point out to me where i said we were not thankful for the players

Ok, Here you go... when talking about Kevin O Neill you said:

Quote from: the ship
...so maybe he should be thanful more than we should be thanful for him.

That second quote is suggesting that you are not very "thankful for the players".
Or even thankful for the likes of Kevin O Neill making the sacrifices he does.

Let me know if you need any more help there Ship.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 24, 2007, 11:22:08 AM
you grasp of the english language is letting you down, can you point out where i said we were not thanful, no suggestion now

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Msgr. Horan on April 24, 2007, 11:24:08 AM
Lads, lads, tis time to be focusing on the showdown in Pearse Stadium and not bickering with this owl shite.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 24, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
fair enough but lets hope the abbeysider is not compiling the programme or the deel rover is not playing, probably the u10 game at half time would suit him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 24, 2007, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: the ship on April 19, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
sure is he not doing what most of us would love to do play for our counties but never got the chance so maybe he should be thanful
more than we should be thanful for him.


Ship ur original statement was agressive towards a fella who for one reason or another never got a decent run with mayo and now in the last couple of years hes gettin a fair go.
The article is just him syaing its tough with the job he does, travelling out foreign and living in dublin, which it is but nobody doubts that chuckie is deligthed to be playing and captaining mayo.
So maybe relax, start over, abbeysider is a good fella, knows his stuff about mayo.
And as for knockmore lads doing anything to anybody, sure we're nice lads, wouldnt harm a fly  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2007, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: the ship on April 24, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
fair enough but lets hope the abbeysider is not compiling the programme or the deel rover is not playing, probably the u10 game at half time would suit him.

"THE SHIP" Jesus your fierce funny you should be on stage your a wasted talent ,i tell you what when you have an all ireland club medal in your back pocket come back to me and we will talk football,  i have had enough of your childish comments  grow up.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 24, 2007, 02:32:38 PM
did not think my post was agressive towards the man in question.

Congrats on your all ireland medal but surprised seen as according to an earlier post of yours you gave up playing quite early because you did not have the talent or the commitment.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on April 24, 2007, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: the ship on April 24, 2007, 11:22:08 AM
you grasp of the english language is letting you down, can you point out where i said we were not thanful, no suggestion now



Sorry buddy, but reading the above post leads me to believe that it's you that needs the English lessons....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 24, 2007, 02:37:22 PM
pray tell
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2007, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: the ship on April 24, 2007, 02:32:38 PM
did not think my post was agressive towards the man in question.

Congrats on your all ireland medal but surprised seen as according to an earlier post of yours you gave up playing quite early because you did not have the talent or the commitment.

I didn't have the talent or the commitment for intercounty football but thankfully i had a good club career and was lucky enough to play along  with the likes of Jimmy Nallen, Ciaran Mc and Peadar when we won the All Ireland in 2001, so i know the commitment those lads give to club and county, 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on April 24, 2007, 03:31:18 PM
are you still playing   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 24, 2007, 03:54:38 PM
Quote from: the ship on April 24, 2007, 03:31:18 PM
are you still playing  
Not any more i'm  sorry to say.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on April 24, 2007, 03:56:49 PM
Is there a full round of league fixtures this weekend
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 24, 2007, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: westmayo on April 24, 2007, 03:56:49 PM
Is there a full round of league fixtures this weekend

Indeed there is... Here are the senior League fixtures (most of them anyway):


Welcome Inn League, Division 1A Sat 28 Apr at 6:00

Crossmolina v Béal an Mhuirthead, Ref: M. Kenny in Crossmolina

Cill tSeadhna v Louisburgh, Ref: V. Neary in Cill tSeadhna

Ballintubber v Westport, Ref; R. Gurren in Ballintubber

Tuar Mhic Éadaigh v Davitts, Ref: D. Corcoran in Tuar Mhic Éadaigh

Ballinrobe v Bohola-Moy Davitts, Ref: J. Feeney in Ballinrobe

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 1B Sat 28 Apr at 6:00

Castlebar v Breaffy, Ref: M. Daly in Castlebar

Burrishoole v Knockmore, Ref: M. Murphy in Burrishoole

Claremorris v Charlestown, Ref: D. Harrington in Claremorris

Ballaghaderreen v Ballina, Ref: J.S. Walsh in Ballaghaderreen

Kilmeena v Shrule-Glencorrib, Ref; P. Geraghty in Kilmeena

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 2A Sat 28 Apr at 6:00

Swinford v Bonniconlon, Ref: J. Boyle in Swinford

Carramore v Balla, Ref: T. Ward in Carramore

Aghamore v Islandeady, Ref: K. Connolly in Aghamore

Eastern Gaels v The Neale, Ref: T. Murphy in Eastern Gaels

Garrymore v Cill Chomáin, Ref: J. Finn in Garrymore

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 2B Sat 28 Apr at 6:00

Hollymount v Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin, Ref: J. Hughes in Hollymount

Kiltimagh v Islandeady, Ref: M. McCarron in Kiltimagh

Ballyhaunis v Kimaine, Ref: E. McAndrew

Moygownagh v Mayo Gaels, Ref: K. Corcoran in Moygownagh

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 3B Sat 28 Apr at 7:30

Crossmolina v Ballycastle, Ref; J. O'Malley in Crossmolina

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 2B Sun 29 Apr at 12:00

Killala v Crossmolina, Ref: C. Collins in Killala

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 3A Sun 29 Apr at 12:00

Swinford v Balla, Ref: M. Barry in Swinford

Na hOilean v Ballintubber, Ref: K. Corcoran in Na hOilean

Kilmovee v Charlestown, Ref: J. Glavey in Kilmovee

Ardnaree v Ballaghaderreen, Ref: M. Moran in Ardnaree

Castlebar v Aghamore, Ref: J. Reynolds in Castlebar

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 3B Sun 29 Apr at 12:00

Breaffy v Castlebar, Ref: C. Byrne in Breaffy

Cill Chomain v Ballinrobe, Ref: G. Loftus in Cill Chomain

Lahardane v Béal an Mhuirthead, Ref: R. Cosgrove in Lahardane

Kilfian v Ballycroy, Ref: M. Herr in Kilfian

Acaill v Ardagh, Ref; M. Corcoran in Acaill

 

Genfitt Cup, Sun 29 Apr at 12:00 – Extra time if required

Ballina v Westport, Ref: G. Kilbride in TBC

Tooreen v Ballyhaunis, Ref: J. Conway in TBC

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 3A Sun 29 Apr at 1:30

Knockmore v Claremorris, Ref: P. Dowling in Knockmore

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 3A Sun 06 May at 12:00

Lacken v Na hOilean, Ref: M. Herr in Lacken

Claremorris v Swinford, Ref: M. Vahey in Claremorris

Aghamore v Knockmore, Ref: T. Murphy in Aghamore

Ballaghaderreen v Castlebar, Ref: T. Ward in Ballaghaderreen

Charlestown v Ardnaree, Ref: M. Barry in Charlestown

Ballintubber v Kilmovee, Ref: J. Boyle in Ballintubber

 

Welcome Inn League, Division 3B Sun 06 May at 12:00

Bohola-Moy Davitts v Cill Chomain, Ref: J. Glavey in Foxford

Ardagh v Breaffy, Ref: J. O' Malley in Ardagh

Ballycroy in Crossmolina, Ref: M. Corcoran in Ballycroy

Béal an Mhuirthead v Kilfian, Ref: R. Cosgrove in Béal an Mhuirthead

Ballinrobe v Lahardane, Ref: K. Connolly in Ballinrobe

 

East Mayo Divisional Cup – The Centenary Cup, Sun 06 May at 12:00

Bohola-Moy Davitts v Swinford, Ref: R. Gurren in Foxford

Charlestown v Ballyhaunis, Ref: P. Geraghty in Charlestown

Aghamore v Ballaghaderreen, Ref: J. Boyle in Aghamore

 

North Mayo Divisional Cup, Sun 06 May at 12:00

Crossmolina 1 v Crossmolina 2, Ref; R. Cosgrove in Crossmolina

Cill Chomain v Béal an Mhuirthead, Ref: M. Herr in Cill Chomain

Bonniconlon v CilltSeadhna, Ref: G. Loftus in Bonniconlon

Ballina v Knockmore, Ref: V. Neary in Ballina

 

South Mayo Divisional Cup – O'Meara Cup, Sun 06 May at 12:00

Claremorris v Ballinrobe, Ref: K. Connolly in Claremorris

Shrule-Glencorrib v Garrymore, Ref: J. Hughes in Shrule

Kilmaine v Mayo Gaels, Ref: M. Murphy in Kilmaine

Davitts v Hollymount, Ref: M. Daly in Davitts

 

West Mayo Divisional Cup – The Kelly Cup, Sun 06 May at 12:00

Burrishoole v Castlebar, Ref: M. Kenny in Burrishoole

Tuar Mhic Éadaigh v Ballintubber, Ref: M. Murphy in Tuar Mhic Éadaigh

Westport v Breaffy, Ref: J. Feeney in Westport

Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin v Kilmeena, Ref: K. Corcoran in Parke






As a matter of interest,
Ballintubber junior team are down to play Na hOilean in Na hOilean in a league game. I heard that they opened a new GAA pitch on one of the islands so perhaps we have to travel out? Has anyone else heard of teams playing out there? Is the pitch on Clare Island?

I know they used to play their games in Louisbourgh up until recently but I think that has changed...  ;D 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on April 24, 2007, 05:02:39 PM
They have been playing out on Clare Island for a couple of seasons now. A unique experience playing out there, you'll enjoy it.

FYI - Ballyhaunis v Kilmaine (Div 2B) has been refixed for Sunday 29th at 2pm and not Saturday as originally scheduled.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Clare Island
Post by: highking on April 24, 2007, 10:56:11 PM
And I heard the Ferry Companies are running a Cartel for travelling teams. They are pricey. Bring the club cheque book with you.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 30, 2007, 09:45:34 AM
Great news that McDonald is back in full training, let's hope he doesn't have any recurrence of the back problems.
Was anybody in Parke yesterday for the Clare challenge match?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 30, 2007, 07:07:25 PM
What was the result of the Clare Match???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2007, 07:12:46 PM
Mayo 1-24 Clare 0-13 I think the score was. Heard that on MWR last night.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on April 30, 2007, 07:15:15 PM
Oh what a hammering to poor owl Padai O Shea! Good result, do you know what the team was??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2007, 07:18:14 PM
Nope, they only gave out the result. Seemed a lopsided affair anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on May 01, 2007, 09:20:05 AM
Quote from: Redgreenery on April 30, 2007, 07:15:15 PM
Good result, do you know what the team was??

This is taken from the Hoganstand message board so it comes with a health warning...

1) M Connolly
2) A Higgins
3) P Nevin
4) L O'Malley
5) S Ryder
6) Billy-Joe
7) A Moran
8 ) A Campbell
9) J Nallen
10) B Regan
11) K O'Neill
12) A Kilcoyne
13) M Ronaldson
14) A O'Malley
15) M Conroy
Subs: J Kilcullen, G Brady, P Gardner, T Mortimer, C Mortimer, A Dillon

P Nevin had a fine game at full-back, the ball was like a magnet to his hands. A Campbell played well midfield hitting 3 fine points from play. Was very hard to judge performances as Clare were truly awfull.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 01, 2007, 09:58:27 AM
Stone wall  (odd tag) if your not sure of the team how do you know Clare were so bad?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on May 01, 2007, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 01, 2007, 09:58:27 AM
Stone wall  (odd tag) if your not sure of the team how do you know Clare were so bad?

Rosnarun (equally odd tag!). The complete text was taken from the Hoganstand message board hence my health warning.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 01, 2007, 12:28:57 PM
Sean Rice's report below on the 'challenge' against Clare. Not much more use than a training session he said.
Still, Pat Navin seems to have had a great game, and we could certainly do with another option at full back.

Quote
Mayo rip Banner to shreds

Mayo 1-23
Clare 0-14

Sean Rice
Parke

SHARPER and much fitter, Mayo waltzed through Clare in this challenge marking the official opening of the Jimmy McHugh Memorial Stand at Parke on Sunday.
It was tame stuff. Mayo, fielding many of those on the periphery of the first fifteen, dominated the game from the beginning, their edge in fitness clearly resulting from their superior league run.
In no sector were Clare a match for Mayo, and the result will have brought home to Paidi O Se the mountain of work that confronts him if his side are to make any impression on the championship.
For Mayo, it was scarcely a good training session. Nobody was found wanting, and the quality of the fringe players who turned in bright performances must be measured against the quality of the opposition.
Nevertheless, Pat Navin did his chances of first team selection no harm with a fine performance at full-back. His fielding and clearances will have impressed the selectors. So, too, did Morven Connolly in goal, who brought off a couple of great saves in the second half when Clare were trying to put a respectable look on the scoreboard.
Castlebar's Sean Ryder had a solid game at right half-back, and on the other wing, Andy Moran, who had starred for Ballaghaderreen at full-forward the previous evening, confirmed his versatility.
Almost all of the players had come through a tough round of club league matches the previous evening, a fact that highlights the robust degree of fitness they have reached, and the equality of standard throughout the squad.
Mayo, well served by midfielders James Nallen and Aidan Campbell, were five points up in seven minutes. The flow of scores became stronger as the game progressed and by half time they were in full spate, having amassed sixteen points to Clare's two.
All of the forwards figured in the scoring . . . Kevin O'Neill, Mark Ronaldson, Austin O'Malley, Michael Conroy, Aidan Kilcoyne and Barry Regan. From midfield Campbell added three points, and even Andy Moran got into the act with one of his specials.
Clare's meagre total is an indication of the quality of covering in defence in which Aidan Higgins, Billy Joe Padden, and Liam O'Malley were also clearly on top.
The visitors made some effort to redress the situation after the break, prompted no doubt by a tongue lashing from Paidi, and they hit four points without reply in the opening six minutes.
But Austin O'Malley more than compensated two minutes later when he linked up with Trevor Mortimer and Sean Ryder to grab the game's only goal. Trevor, just back from injury, replaced Kevin O'Neill at the interval, and lacked the sharpness of his colleagues. But his return is to be welcomed.
A gap of fifteen points still separated the teams in the 48th minute, but despite a number of changes on both sides, the direction of the game was irreversible. Clare improved somewhat when David Russell moved to midfield, and in the final fifteen minutes or so they banged over seven points to Mayo's four.
A goal would have put a better complexion on the scoreboard for the Munster side, but Merven Connolly was in no mood to concede such a score, and his two saves near the end were top class.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Msgr. Horan on May 01, 2007, 06:04:05 PM
Whats an "Andy Moran special"? Blasting the ball over the bar from 5 yards out?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 02, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
stonewall : learn your Irish at least im not named after a Fascist 80's gay movement.
back to football
Interesting to see JOM is still thinking about A moran at half back  I think he could be onto something there. a half back line of moran heany  and P gardiner would put the frightners on anybody. Moran is beginning to look like a class player but  as a half forward should be scoring more and even his last ball still needs a bit of work and the other advantage would be to free up  CHF for the Great one.
Also great to see Trevor back if mayo  are to win tjis year we need every one fit  and in my view we need Tmort more than any one connor is twice the player with him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on May 03, 2007, 09:10:14 AM
From the Mayo GAA website....

North Mayo Divisional Cup

Team 1                        Team 2                          Venue            Date       Time       Referee        Comment
Crossmolina Deel Rovers  Crossmolina Deel Rovers B Crossmolina   06/05/2007 12:00 Richard Cosgrove Round 2
Kilcommon                    Belmullet                         Kilcommon   06/05/2007 12:00 Michael Herr        Round 2
Bonniconlon                  Kiltane                            Bonniconlon 06/05/2007 12:00 Gerry Loftus        Round 2
Ballina Stephenites         Knockmore                     Ballina          06/05/2007 12:00 Vincent Neary      Round 2

Interesting game in Crossmolina.....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 03, 2007, 09:57:03 PM
Yes muscles. Hopefully the one in Ballina will be interesting too. Ballina weren't at the races at all against Ballaghaderreen last weekend. Is this the competition where all the club-only players get a run out in? It's not a Junior players only competition is it???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on May 04, 2007, 10:56:06 AM
AFAIK this is a new competition. The one you are probably referring to is the North Mayo Junior Championship which was restricted obviously to junior players (but not to jumior clubs). I think this is still going ahead seperately from the new one.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on May 06, 2007, 04:26:22 PM
Half Time in the Ladies Div 1 Final:
Mayo 1-03 Galway 0-04
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on May 06, 2007, 05:22:50 PM
The Mayo Ladies are Div 1 Champions after beating Galway. Mayo 1-13 Galway 0-06.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on May 06, 2007, 06:11:38 PM
sign up cora staunton for the mens team. savage scores from out the field. she could replace Big MC!

congratulations to the team. well deserved.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on May 06, 2007, 07:54:19 PM
Well done to all....they are a credit to the county.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on May 06, 2007, 09:17:47 PM
Congratulations to the Ladies, we've silverware in 2007 anyways!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on May 06, 2007, 09:24:33 PM
Revenge for last week
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on May 06, 2007, 11:47:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 03, 2007, 09:57:03 PM
Hopefully the one in Ballina will be interesting too. Ballina weren't at the races at all against Ballaghaderreen last weekend. Is this the competition where all the club-only players get a run out in?

Stephenites bate Knockmore ;D

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2007, 11:43:01 AM
Ah sure it was only the North Mayo Divisional thingy anyway. Wouldn't be too worried about that!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on May 07, 2007, 02:00:40 PM
Any word on yesterdays challenge game in Kildare?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on May 09, 2007, 09:26:59 AM
Anyone know how the juniors got on against Leitrim on Friday evening?

From the Mayo News...

Mayo 0-18
Kildare 0-12

WITH less than two weeks remaining to the Connacht Championship meeting with Galway there was a number of noteworthy developments for Mayo football supporters last Sunday at St Lawrence's GAA grounds in Kildare.
Goalkeeper Kenneth O'Malley returned from a thumb injury, David Brady appeared in the county colours for the first time in four months, Ciaran McDonald was only fit enough to watch from the sidelines, and Billy Padden played for 35 minutes at full-back.
There was more than enough there to keep everybody talking as Mayo scored a six-point win over a a second-string Kildare side.
Brady was was introduced by John O'Mahony at half-time with Mayo leading by a point. The Ballina midfielder shored up the team's engine-room and, with the breeze at their backs, they completely routed their opponents in the second half. In fact they could have notched up a bigger score but for some laissez-faire shooting.
Another very novel and interesting development was the deployment of Billy Joe Padden at full-back following the interval. The Belmullet man has been a regular fixture at centre-half back of late but, with Kildare full-forward Adrian Kelly kicking two points from play and causing serious problems for Pat Navin in the first half, Mayo's management made a series of changes.
Bringing Brady on, John O'Mahony et al moved David Heaney to centre-half back, Padden to full-back, James Nallen to right-half back and took Pat Harte out of the forwards to create an all-Ballina midfield.
The end result of the switches was a more balanced and effective Mayo unit who had far too much class for a weakened Kildare outfit.
However, taking that into account, as well as the slow tempo and Bank Holiday atmosphere that prevailed, there were few other positives to be seriously taken from the game from a Mayo perspective.
Padden kept Kelly scoreless in the second half but the Kildare full-forward is only returning from a one-year lay off with a torn cruciate ligament and is not considered to be near his best form.
Kildare's injury crisis in midfield also gave Brady an easier time than usual against a team with a reputation for robust play under John Crofton.
Dermot Earley has a broken metatarsal bone, Killian Brennan has a ruptured Achilles' tendon, Darryl Flynn has ankle problems and Thomas O'Connor has torn his cruciate ligament.
Mayo's weekend training camp also caused late changes to the team named in the programme with Enda Devenney and Kevin O'Neill sitting out the game with knocks.
This cleared the way for a second successive challenge match for Trevor Mortimer and the full-forward still looks a bit off the pace.
On one occasion in the second half he tore through on goal with all the promise and passion of his memorable 2004 season but skewed his shot high and wide with a goal there for the taking.
Pat Navin also looked a few games shy of championship pace in his return from injury while Trevor Howley looks unlikely to start against Galway after being taken off at the interval.
Ciaran McDonald did not tog for the match but has been running again following a series of back problems while David Clarke has been unable to shake off a hamstring problem. He will now miss the opening game of the championship against Galway.
The match itself was a poor affair with Mayo taking in a 0-8 to 0-7 lead against the wind at the interval.
In the second half, led by Conor Mortimer, the Mayo attack cut loose and tore a fragile Kildare team to shreds, letting up near the end for the home support's benefit.

Mayo
K O'Malley; A Higgins, P Navin, K Higgins; T Howley, B Padden, P Gardiner; J Nallen, D Heaney; P Harte (0-2), G Brady (0-1), A Dillon (0-1, 1f); C Mortimer (0-8, 3fs), T Mortimer (0-1), Andy Moran (0-3).  
Subs used: D Brady, A O'Malley, A Campbell, J Kilcullen, A Kilcoyne (0-1).
Kildare
T Corley; T Dowling, R McCabe, I Lonergan; M Scanlon, D Hendy, M Foley (0-1); W Heffernan (0-1), R Glavin; P Ennis, M Conway (0-1, 1f), N Browne; D McCormack (0-3), A Kelly (0-2), P O'Neill (0-4, 1f).  
Sub used: B Flanagan.
Referee: M Deegan (Laois)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 10, 2007, 12:36:55 PM
If it was a closed door midweek challange game then it wouldnt even be a glorified training session. have gone to a few and they are  strictly for the purist they often play 3 / 4 halfs and mostly everyone gets a game. not sure what the purpose of them . Maybe team buliding cause they must cost our poor county board a packet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on May 22, 2007, 03:15:10 PM
Well as we all try to get over last Sunday's defeat at the hands of the near neighbours, we have to look forward to the club championshps this weekend how do we all see it going

TF Royal Hotel Senior Football Championship

Section A
Ballaghaderreen v Shrule Glencorrib
Sunday 27 May at 2pm in Ballaghaderreen
Ref: D.Corcoran
Garrymore v Claremorris
Sunday 27 May at 2pm in Garrymore
Ref: V. Neary

Section B
Westport v Louisburgh
Saturday 26 May at 7.30pm in Westport
Ref:J. Hughes
Ballina Stephenites v Charlestown Sarsfields
Sunday 27 May at 4pm in Ballina
Ref: M. Kenny


Section C
Crossmolina v Ballinrobe
Sunday 27 May at 2pm in Crossmolina
Ref: J. Hughes
Burrishoole v Moy Davitts
Sunday 27 May at 2pm in Burrishoole
Ref: M. Murphy

Section D
Knockmore v Tourmakeady
Saturday 26 May at 7.30pm in Knockmore
Ref: R. Gurren
Castlebar v Kiltane
Sunday 27 May at 2pm in Castlebar
Ref: M. Daly

TF Royal Theatre Intermediate Football Championship
Section A
Cill Chómain v Belmullett
Saturday 26 May at 7.30pm in Cill Chómain
Ref: M. Kenny
Kiltimagh v Kilmeena
Sunday 27 May at 2pm in Kiltimagh
Ref: M. McCarron

Section B
Ballintubber v Bonniconlon
Sunday 27 May at 4pm in Ballintubber
Ref: J.S Walsh
Hollymount v Swinford
Saturday 26 May at 7.30pm in Hollymout
Ref:J. Feeney

Section C
Davitts v Mayo Gaels
Saturday 26 May at 7.30pm in Ballindine
Ref: E. McAndrew
Ballyhaunis v Kilmaine
Sunday 27 May at 4pm in Ballyhaunis
Ref: D. Harrington

Section D
Ballina (B) v Crossmolina (B)
Saturday 26 May at 7.30pm in Ballina
Ref: R. Cosgrove
Parke v Aghamore
Sunday 27 May at 4pm in Parke
Ref: C. Collins

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on May 22, 2007, 04:12:49 PM
Anyone know how Tourmak are going? Could be a potential banana skin there for Knockmore although if they hope to go anywhere they'd def want to win at home.

Ballagh v Shrule and Ballina v Charlestown seem to be the biggest games going; for what it's worth I'd go for Ballagh and Ballina to win those although being away from home I'm basing that on feck all.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 22, 2007, 07:06:39 PM
It's time Ballina stopped living off that All-Ireland win and won some silverware again. I think they have a good enough panel to do it. Crossmolina will find it hard to do the 3 in a row. Ballaghaderreen probably will win it. Shrule not going well at all in the league, will hae to wait and see if it makes any baring on the Championship. As for Knockmore, hopefully there will be a surprise scalp or two taken this year, but I cannot see them winning the county title.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on May 23, 2007, 01:50:48 PM
Willie Joe at http://mayogaablog.blogspot.com has a link to a piece in Sunday's Tribune about three Mayomen in management in Connacht at the moment - Johnno, Ford and Maughan. Makes for distracting reading after Sunday.




IF it's all the same to yourself, we'll dive deep into the memory bank for just a minute.

Out comes a strand from 1983, a wisp that seemed of little importance at the time. Mayo had drawn the All Ireland under-21 final when a member of the panel announced he had already booked a holiday. His manager told him he'd be bringing his boots but that still wasn't enough. On his return he was kept back for 40 minutes after a tough training session and subjected to the most gruelling workout of his young life. Whether he had drank or not while away, no chances were being taken.

A few days later John O'Mahony guided that Mayo side past Derry and already had his eye on conducting an out-of-tune orchestra. John Maughan played a key role in the backs that afternoon and no matter what he had been put through, still reckons both holiday and overtime were worth it.

Completing the spine of that defence was Peter Ford, a classy, masterful defender who had watched closely as his good friend from UCG had been taken to the limit. The tone looked to be set for a decade in Mayo. Instead the tone was set for a generation in Connacht.

Hard to remember now just how bad western football was at that stage, so here's a quick reminder. The last time a side from the province had won an All Ireland senior title was 1966 when Galway completed the three-in-a-row and in the intervening years only once had the Connacht champions beaten Leinster or Munster opposition. All that was about to change. "I'd say John O'Mahony would have had his eye on that team maturing and him passing into senior fairly fast, " says Kevin McStay who played on that under-21 side.

"It would have been 1988 when he got his first opening and it was an immediate impact and that's what he normally does. When you talk about John O'Mahony you think of impact. He's not a guy that waits around for long.

Look what he did in '88."

It was that season they took Connacht by storm and might have won an All Ireland semifinal against Meath. It only took a year for the side to learn from their mistakes and in 1989 they were in an All Ireland final, their first since 1951 while picking up their first back-to-back provincial crowns since that same year.

"I think it's just that his allround people skills are very impressive and you want to do your very best for any team John O'Mahony is involved with, " continues McStay. "Sounds simple and in theory it is. But how many have done it? He gets that kind of feel-good factor very early. You can say he was lucky with the bunch he had coming through in Mayo but other events have shown that was never it. Look at what he did with Galway when he took them to their first All Ireland in 35 years. That was probably his greatest achievement.

That and taking Leitrim to a Connacht title in 1994 which was unprecedented and still is."

It was around that time Mayo were again sinking into a trough. With an aging team and time running short for many, they turned on their manager and the Brian McDonald affair began and ended. Ford was nominated as a leader of that bloodless coup and it may have been that incident which drew him into county management and that has kept him from managing the one side he really desires. "I had known Peter as a player and had been in UCG with him, " says Maughan. "I had great time for him as a footballer. He starred on Sigerson teams and from a boxing background he has tremendous self-discipline and is very fit, very strong and a very capable operator.

Maybe it was hard to recognise any management skills back then but the way he had grown by the time I got involved with Mayo in 1995, he was one of the guys I really went after because I respected his knowledge of the game and his ability and he was part of my team for two years.

It was great to have him on board."

Just like O'Mahony had done, the combination of Maughan and Ford quickly pulled the county from the bog water. In 1995, a few months before they would be taken apart by Galway in the Connacht final, the side travelled to Tyrone for a league game. John Casey came across a programme that day and remembers looking at it and feeling small. Maughan had named the team earlier in the week but in front of him, under the banner of Maigh Eo read An Other times 15.

Tyrone people didn't care who these guys were. After all, they were nobodies. Yet within a year-and-a-half, the side were in an All Ireland final. It would be eight years before named opponents could say the same.

"I always saw John O'Mahony as a very deep thinker and I believe Peter Ford has taken a lot of that with him from years under him as a player, " says Martin Carney.

"He may even be deeper than his old mentor. I think both he and John Maughan were a very good combination but Peter had his own ideas. He wasn't as well known when Mayo were going well but I remember listening in awe to him in 2002 when he was in charge of Sligo. They had already stunned football by beating Tyrone but listening to the plans and strategies he was using to counteract the threat of Armagh it was easy to see why. Particularly the way he used Ciaran Quinn and John McPartland that day, the way he employed those nearly brought about Armagh's downfall."

That day Kieran McGeeney was continually forced onto his left foot. Sligo tried to pressure Armagh from afar, preventing their forwards from scoring at a distance.

Had Kerry done the same Armagh would not have won that All Ireland. Had Ford better raw materials, Sligo would have been in an All Ireland semi-final for the first time since 1975 and only their fourth ever and they would have done it by swatting Armagh and Tyrone from a perch too.

"I look at the three of them and it's amazing the drive and energy they have put in, " says McStay. "Be it in Sligo, Leitrim, Mayo or Galway, they have given those counties some amazing times and brought success where there was none and that is not easy when in charge in the west.

And they all still have huge ambitions. I suppose Peter is completely committed to Galway and is so competitive and focused he is desperate to win today. But at some stage I'm sure he would love to take charge of Mayo but people always look back to that incident as a player when McDonald was in charge. He stood up and a lot of people would not have agreed, but he had the moral courage to go through.

He was up front. He didn't do it in a Machiavellian way, instead a letter was signed and that was before teams would have done that sort of thing. He'd have very strong ideas about what he wants to do and where he wants to go.

And because of that and his background I'm sure Mayo has hurt, he was sure he was going to get the job when it changed from John Maughan and Pat Holmes got it. I guess John O'Mahony of course, having won his All Ireland with Galway would love to do it with Mayo and all that adds to it today."

And as for John Maughan?

He's in Roscommon, waiting to upstage the both of them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2007, 08:27:21 PM
I know this might seem rather pointless as a post, but are us Mayo fans ever allowed criticise the players at all? Or management for that matter. Remember last September's hammering the players got in Croke Park against Kerry. Fans were blamed for criticising anything and anyone in the team/management and God help anyone who left 5 minutes early. Fast forward to the recent hammering inflicted by Galway, MWR once again read out a text on last Thursday night's show from someone criticising the team for the way they played against Galway, and Angelina came out and said that the players didn't play to lose the way they did. What I'm trying to say is that I'm fed up to the hilt of players and management being protected by the local media and I don't give a flying f**k if all the local media outlets come across this message as I'm usually mild-mannered in my criticism of teams when they get beat. I want to see both perspectives balanced out on the airwaves on MWR. PS, I'm not trying to criticise the players, just the media outlets in Mayo who cannot see anything wrong in the 'manner' the players went at it against Galway and Kerry in our last 2 championship mantches if ye get my drift. Anyone else feel the same way??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on May 30, 2007, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2007, 08:27:21 PM
I know this might seem rather pointless as a post, but are us Mayo fans ever allowed criticise the players at all? Or management for that matter. Remember last September's hammering the players got in Croke Park against Kerry. Fans were blamed for criticising anything and anyone in the team/management and God help anyone who left 5 minutes early. Fast forward to the recent hammering inflicted by Galway, MWR once again read out a text on last Thursday night's show from someone criticising the team for the way they played against Galway, and Angelina came out and said that the players didn't play to lose the way they did. What I'm trying to say is that I'm fed up to the hilt of players and management being protected by the local media and I don't give a flying f**k if all the local media outlets come across this message as I'm usually mild-mannered in my criticism of teams when they get beat. I want to see both perspectives balanced out on the airwaves on MWR. PS, I'm not trying to criticise the players, just the media outlets in Mayo who cannot see anything wrong in the 'manner' the players went at it against Galway and Kerry in our last 2 championship mantches if ye get my drift. Anyone else feel the same way??
I agree with you,but if the local media is too harsh on the team the county board wil freeze them out of all matters that relsate to the team..the Mayo news got that treatment a while back so i suppose they are walking a tight line.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on May 31, 2007, 08:03:37 AM
In fairness I think you need a thick skin to be involved in Mayo GAA - the County Board, the players, the management are all under constant scrutiny and a serious amount of moaning goes on with supporters.

On many days players have tried their hearts out and come up short. I would be disappointed but stand full square behind the team, albeit making constructive comments about what I thought was right or wrong. However the display against Galway was pathetic and a disgrace. The players are better than that - they know it. The management was not as focussed as it should have been - they know it. As a supporter for over 30 years that is tough, and frustrating. Yes these lads are giving up there spare time, but why would you put so much into something without going all out to give it your best shot. Only David Heaney can honestly say that he did that the last day.

I think we have over-achieved during 2004-2006, and probably was duped myself into thinking that we could challenge for an All Ireland. Remember Connacht is a relatively easy route to a Quarter Final - in 2004 we were lucky enough to play Fermanagh in the All Ireland semi-final, after being an emotionally and physically drained Tyrone. Last year Laois were battered and bruised by their thrashing from Dublin, and run through the qualifiers, we scraped through and got the luck against Dublin. Kerry are always the litmus test and the last 3 years they have picked us off with ease, and we have never addressed the problems with our style of play, and our defending.

Now JOM faces one the biggest challenges in his career. If the players have any pride in themselves they will pick themselves up for the next day in the qualifiers. But the management must make numerous changes to a line-up which was unbalanced, and clearly not good enough for top level football.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on May 31, 2007, 08:52:44 AM
Barney, I agree with a lot of your points but the fact still stands that Mayo were in 2 finals in 3 years for a reason.Luck against dublin?
They had a 7 point lead in the second half and were joking to each other about Mayo.
I would rather be lucky than "good enough" and hope the luck brought me the distance like it did for armagh a few years ago,clare hurlers in 1997 and ireland in korea in the world cup.
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Post by: Barney on May 31, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
Mannix we had alot of luck against Dublin, but what we had as well as that was a determination and desire to succeed. No player was brushed aside. They took the hits and kept going. My belief is that although many of our players are small it is the lack of determination that sees them bullied about the place rather than a failure to do weights training
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Post by: mannix on May 31, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
I agree wholehearted on that, they lack the determination against kerry, but why do they have zero fear of dublin,tyrone or the rest.But, kerry, well I will never be sure again about them.The best thing that can  happen is kerry to fall into the qualifiers and we meet them, at this stage I think Mayo would not freeze.
Mayo are good enough,dublin could have lost by more last august but for indecision by some mayo forwards when goals were on.Luck plays a part in a lot of close games but dublin had a 7 point lead.Game over for 99% at that stage.
I am keeping a little bit of belief that something good could come out of the galway loss, remember,the last 2 have been qualifiers championships and galway were in 2001.And we have the right manager to take the best out of his players, at halftime in the 2001 final everyone said it was over, then look what happened.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on May 31, 2007, 01:04:34 PM
QuoteFrom gaa.ie

The Central Competitions Control Committee of the GAA has confirmed the following penalties arising from Disciplinary matters in recent weeks...

David Loughnane (Roscommon Hurling) - eight weeks from the date of his sending off in the Allianz Hurling League Division 3 final v Roscommon on April 29th.

Brian Farrell (Meath) - four weeks from the date of his sending off in the Leinster football Championship v Kildare on May 20th.

Pat Harte (Mayo) - four weeks from the date of his sending off in the Connacht Football Championship v Galway on May 20th.

All of the penalties include the next game in the competition even if that game falls outside of the suspension time period.



So this means P Harte will be out of the first game in the qualifiers.
Brady and Heaney in midfield then i'd say unless if McGarrity is back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on May 31, 2007, 01:11:16 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on May 31, 2007, 01:04:34 PM
QuoteFrom gaa.ie

The Central Competitions Control Committee of the GAA has confirmed the following penalties arising from Disciplinary matters in recent weeks...

David Loughnane (Roscommon Hurling) - eight weeks from the date of his sending off in the Allianz Hurling League Division 3 final v Roscommon on April 29th.

Brian Farrell (Meath) - four weeks from the date of his sending off in the Leinster football Championship v Kildare on May 20th.

Pat Harte (Mayo) - four weeks from the date of his sending off in the Connacht Football Championship v Galway on May 20th.

All of the penalties include the next game in the competition even if that game falls outside of the suspension time period.



So this means P Harte will be out of the first game in the qualifiers.
Brady and Heaney in midfield then i'd say unless if McGarrity is back.

Harte will be back for the qualifiers, 4 weeks from May 20th is the 17th June with the 1st round qualifier on the 7th July
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on May 31, 2007, 01:35:33 PM

Quote from: Redgreenery on May 31, 2007, 01:04:34 PM
QuoteFrom gaa.ie



All of the penalties include the next game in the competition even if that game falls outside of the suspension time period.



Quote from: Davitt Man on May 31, 2007, 01:11:16 PM
Harte will be back for the qualifiers, 4 weeks from May 20th is the 17th June with the 1st round qualifier on the 7th July

Not if the line above is accurate DavittMan. Seems Harte has to miss the next game no matter when it is
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 31, 2007, 02:16:20 PM
the reason People are slow to criticize Mayo players is that many of us would personally know he players and their families and know of the massive effort that goes into being an intercounty footballer. Asavage cos in socail and often working life is endured. So any criticism along the line of not trying is righfully trated with scorn.
however maybe we should take the Christian view of love the sinner but hate the sin. Galway was abysmal. they got off on the wrong foot and had not leadership or direction to put it right again similarlr to last sept which made it hurt all the more. that is why I'd be very harsh on managenment dispite great fanfare of their arrival they seem to have taken the team sideways at least and Prob backwards.
To understand why Mayo have done so well over the last few years you have to understand the way the team plays and who are the key players in that. fot me they are Heaney Mcdonald gardiner and conor mortimer player who take anawful lot of crticism for being unorthordox in their roles. afull back who cant catch a CHF who plays at half back A half back who doesnt like defending But Mort is just a scoring machine .  these are unique players . Taking gardiner off was akin to throwing in the towel MD D wasnt fit Heany was out of position but mort was still top scorer. Omahoney need to watch tapes of old mayo games and see the tresures he had and how to use them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on May 31, 2007, 11:28:34 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 31, 2007, 02:16:20 PM
A half back who doesnt like defending

Make your mind up about Gardiner will ya
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Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 01, 2007, 11:10:38 AM
yeah, don't really follow you either Ros. Are you admitting Gardiner isn't good enough or are you saying we should have a half back in the team that can't defend??
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Post by: rosnarun on June 01, 2007, 11:22:42 AM
Im saying in gardiner we have probably the best half back in the country.  the point being this may team plays very much as a unit to a pattern and peader is essential to that. morrison was mocked last year for calling mayo the Brazil of Gaelic football but most people missed the point he was making which was when you have the ball you play when wee have it well play and well probably out score you. it leads to heart stopping stuff but fantastic games and it works (except against kerry whoi are just  abetter team at he moment).
Proof of this is offer counties any mayo player bar CMD and they would say no thanks . look at the even the joint galway mayo team that were pick before the last match. and also the rate awhich mayo teams chage year on year . but were still (at least before JOM) probably the 2nd best team in the country, only a daragh o sé short of being the best.
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Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 01, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
well I think that's where we differ Ros. I thought John Morrisons philosophy was bullshit and unbelievably naive to say the least. True it can be easy on the eye but you'll win nothing with it. We can't afford to have a half back that can't defend, look at the team who everyone gauges themselves against, Kerry. Tomas O Se and O'Mahoney are perfect examples of tough tackling defenders who can also do a great job going forward if it's asked of them but only now and again, it isn't their main quality unlike Gardiner. I don't want to get into slagging one of our most honest players off, but I would have to strongly disagree with the 'one of the best half backs in the country' tag, his performances on AIF day x 2 means the jury is seriously out on a statement like that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 01, 2007, 02:17:07 PM
Quoteyou'll win nothing with it.
tell all the payers who reprsented mayo in the 1970's that a connacht final is nothig not to mention winning several all-ireland semifinals. any one who sat throught the real humiliations of the 70's and 80's knows that this is a golden era. but there is an unrealistic view out there we can dropp all this team and automaticly find ourselves back at AIF level again.
Again gardiner is crticized but ill think youll find T  o Sé or Aidain o mahoney would be unwilling to tog for mayo any time soon . yet you privide no alternitives Devenney has predicably been a disaster a higgins looks old. Howley is more of a corner back then who. none can provide a 1/4 of his attacking ability and few will keep a half forward as distracted. Its a different waqy of thinking but go on streech you mind
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on June 01, 2007, 02:22:10 PM
Why cant we have defenders who defend and forwards who score? We play an open style of football that leaves us vunerable on the counter attack. If we are to remain in the top 6 in the country we need to get a bit more cynical and hard as a unit. Take a hit and give a hit, even if some of the hits are a "little late". I think in Galway the Mayo team waited for the game to come their way and some thought our open style football would win the game eventually. These things dont happen in the chapionship. It has to be a win at all costs attitude.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 01, 2007, 03:21:00 PM
QuoteTake a hit and give a hit, even if some of the hits are a "little late
".

this was never the mayo style of play and i hope it never is. this is the reasomn i hate the likes of tyrone meath armagh or dublin where fear and intimadation are they primary  weapons. granted its not much use on its own as the likes of wicklow leitrim or clare have found out through the tears. sure were desperte to win but lets not abandon all or principbles. drugs work would you folow other counties there too?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 01, 2007, 05:31:50 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2007, 03:21:00 PM
QuoteTake a hit and give a hit, even if some of the hits are a "little late
".

this was never the mayo style of play and i hope it never is.

That's the sort of attitude that will have us waiting another 56 years for SAM. And yes Connachts and all-Irelanmd semis are nothing at this stage, that's such a losers mentality to say that's a great achievement. Maybe after the barren years the first Conacht or two was worth something but at this stage they mean shag all to a county that craves one cup alone. You ask for alternatives at half back, Howley is one, I wouldn't put him down as a corner back only, he's a very fine footballer but a good defender first and foremost. I have to say I've been disappointed with Devenney so far but I think he has alot more potential than Gardiner, he is still finding his feet in his first season, this is Peaders 4th full season at this level. I believe Devenney should be persevered with. D Kilcullen and Tom Cunniffe are the long-term answers in the half-back line but I feel this year is too soon for them. For the record I don't believe we need wholesale changes, but we do need a few and I think Gardiner is one of them. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one I guess.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on June 02, 2007, 01:41:22 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2007, 02:17:07 PM
Quoteyou'll win nothing with it.
tell all the payers who reprsented mayo in the 1970's that a connacht final is nothig not to mention winning several all-ireland semifinals. any one who sat throught the real humiliations of the 70's and 80's knows that this is a golden era. but there is an unrealistic view out there we can dropp all this team and automaticly find ourselves back at AIF level again.
Again gardiner is crticized but ill think youll find T  o Sé or Aidain o mahoney would be unwilling to tog for mayo any time soon . yet you privide no alternitives Devenney has predicably been a disaster a higgins looks old. Howley is more of a corner back then who. none can provide a 1/4 of his attacking ability and few will keep a half forward as distracted. Its a different waqy of thinking but go on streech you mind

I know a man that isn't sure if he is 6 or 7 Connach medals, mean f**k all to him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 05, 2007, 07:56:25 AM
Still 4 weeks until the next game.

Any news from the camp. I reckon JOM will be looking to set up a few challenges in the next few weeks to try and get the show back on the road
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 05, 2007, 10:17:41 AM
QuoteI know a man that isn't sure if he is 6 or 7 Connach medals, mean f**k all to him.
Maybe then it is getting close to time for a cull . If a man is dedicated inevery game he plays for a county he never going to perform to his hishest potential. that would certainly explain may of the performances against galway. Of cousrse the number isnt important . what was imporrtant was that was to qualify for the final was the only prize on offer. ALL ireland finals are never eon in May or july for that matter . all you can do is try to win you next game asnd for mayo that should have been the connacht final but now im hearing that doesnt seem to be good enough for some. ANd im accused of havinmg a losers attitude?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 06, 2007, 08:18:10 AM
This is from the Mayo News this week. It smacks of desparation and doing what should have been done last winter, in the middle of the championship season. There is no magic wand that is going to correct our wrongs. Like or not we have close enough to the best 30 players in the county on the panel, bar two or three under 21s, and some of the names mentioned below are just not up to the task:

QuoteKeeping a watching brief

FEATURE
Mike Finnerty
mikefinnerty@mayonews.ie

FROM the moment Mayo were sent crashing out of the Connacht Championship seventeen days ago, John O'Mahony and his management team have been looking to the future.
A week later the newly-elected TD was out and about himself at two club championship first-round matches. He watched Davitts against Mayo Gaels in the intermediate competition before seeing Ballagh' beat Shrule/Glencorrib in his own hometown in the senior championship.
Tommy Lyons, Kieran Gallagher and others were also scattered at games all around the county, scouting for new talent, keeping an eye on players that are already short-listed, and brushing up on others that are currently part and parcel of Mayo's senior squad.
So what did they see? Which players were noted down in the scouting reports? Who is finding form at the right time for their club and, as a consequence, may push themselves into the county frame?
O'Mahony has always said that the county panel was open-ended and that good form at club level would not go unnoticed. There can be no doubt that he has been true to his word.
A trial game last Saturday at McHale Park gave some indication of the current state of play. Among those who lined out in Castlebar were Louisburgh's Jarlath O'Malley, Charlestown's Tom Parsons and Ballaghaderreen's Barry Kelly.
All three were outstanding for their clubs a week earlier and, interestingly, all three delivered eye-catching performances at midfield.
So too did Davitts' Ronan McNamara. The Mayo junior midfielder kicked eight points from frees and put in an impressive display in Balla. There seems little doubt that the Mayo manager was there to watch him.
In many ways Tom Parsons would be an ideal addition to Mayo's squad for the All-Ireland Qualifiers on July 7. He was one of the U-21 team's stand-out players during their run to the Connacht title and his athleticism seems tailor-made for the modern game.
However, the young Charlestown man has already committed to travelling to the USA this summer. He is due to leave later this month and so it seems that the North American championship's gain will be his club and county's loss.
Charlestown are starting to build up a head of steam at the right time and Parsons was a very influential figure against Ballina in the first round of the championship.
It seems though that nothing short of John O'Mahony's legendary powers of persuasion will keep the IT Sligo student in Ireland for the coming months. Incidentally, the Mayo manager was in Fr O'Hara Park last Sunday to watch the two teams meet again in the league.
Claremorris were represented during the National League on the Mayo panel by Gary Mullins and Pat Navin but neither are currently training with the squad due to injury. Their club's first round win over Garrymore did throw up a few other names for the notebook. As a consequence both Tomás Griffin and Ciaran Griffith were drafted in for last Saturday's trial match.
Griffin is an enigmatic figure, capable of explosive bursts of pace and always likely to exert a considerable influence for his club anywhere on the half-forward line. Consistency and injuries have probably been the biggest stumbling blocks to his career thus far.
Griffith has been one of Claremorris' most consistent performers this season. His five points from play against Garrymore marked him out as one to watch and he is definitely a young player with strength and an eye for goal.
David Kilcullen continues to impress for Ballagh' week in, week out, and he has become a dominant figure at centre-half back. His contribution to the Mayo U-21 team was immense at times and he is an abrasive defender; comfortable on the ball and a fierce competitor off it.
He will surely be in the shake-up when names are being jotted down for the coming weeks and months. So too established senior panellists like Trevor Howley and Sean Ryder.
Next weekend will see more opportunities for players to catch the eye of Mayo's management. Only four weeks to go now...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 06, 2007, 08:24:22 AM
some lads are close to being good enough but may only show it in summer when fitter and with a dry pitch.How good does gooch look in the muck,if a lad is going well in Mayo club at midfield he should at least be brought in for challenge games to have a look at.
JOM is aware that every year is a chance and waiting and rebuilding is no guarantee of success.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 06, 2007, 08:53:48 AM
I could be wrong buy somehow I think intercounty football has passed the time when Strenght and fitness wise a club fooballer can just step up and become an intercounty on other wise why all that ballbusting during the winter if 4 weeks summer training would get you there any way. Parsons shoudr be ok in this regard. but as for  like griffin and griffith i don think it would be fair on them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 06, 2007, 09:17:11 AM
It's defintiely that an ordinary club player can't be expected to make the jump up to inter-county in a few weeks, the gap is too big in terms of physicality, speed and plain old fitness. The only difference in this situation is that some of the names mentioned have been on development panels and have certainly been on the same weights programmes as the first squad to beef up over the winter. Tom Parsons and David Kicullen have been doing inter-county training all year, whether for the U-21s or the development panel. Barry Kelly woud be in a simlar position and would be capable of the step up. I know very little about the 2 Claremorris lads, have they been involved in the county panel in any shape or form all year? if not, it could be a step too far for them at this stage of the year, same would probably apply to J O'Malley.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on June 06, 2007, 09:32:43 AM
ya im thinking it does smack of desperation. bar the lads who have already been on the panel and development squad its too late for the rest. unless the club player in question is exceptionally talented, driven and determined i couldnt see how the step-up could be made in mid summer. nigh on impossible me thinks. itll probablky take a couple of years for the weights to kick in with the younger lads but the drive and passion missing in salthill, well thats attitude and im no psycologist so i dunno how that would be got back, but if it is then it can make up for a lack in physical strength.

however if you have 2-3 years good weight training under your belt,  you would probably have more confidence to throw yourself into 50-50 situations and maybe with that confidence could come agression ala the dubs and meath the last day.

see d brady has considerably beefed up these days and he seems more aggressive for the last couple of years then previous years. many of the lads could follow his example.

well that a totally incoherent post, sorry about that!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 06, 2007, 09:43:50 AM
On the contrary my good man, you make some very astute points regarding weight training.I started afew years ago and definetly am much stronger than lads bigger than me.I beat my toughman brother inlaw arm wrestling recently much to the shock of the family who were expecting him to kill me.
Its nice to know weights do real;ly make a big difference.In a game i am never afraid of a tackle now, if only I was able to kick points I would be a star!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on June 06, 2007, 09:59:58 AM
Quote from: mannix on June 06, 2007, 09:43:50 AM
On the contrary my good man, you make some very astute points regarding weight training.I started afew years ago and definetly am much stronger than lads bigger than me.I beat my toughman brother inlaw arm wrestling recently much to the shock of the family who were expecting him to kill me.
Its nice to know weights do real;ly make a big difference.In a game i am never afraid of a tackle now, if only I was able to kick points I would be a star!!!

ya i used to moan about the inter-county lads kicking wides then realised i couldnt do it myself. it took me a few years tho! now i say nothin!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 06, 2007, 11:11:17 AM
I know Mcnamara was on the Junior team . what kkind of training do they do is it a turn up on the day job or somthing more serious . hard to believe some of the ex county guys Connelly's ruddy or carolan giving  an awful lot to what is a low level of football. Mcnamara looks to have the Physical strenght but does he have the football . a nice soft qualifier may give him the chance But i bet we draw Armagh or dublin
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on June 06, 2007, 11:20:03 AM
Don't think the Junior team do much training, probably only a few run outs on Saturday's and a few challenge games. In the papers before the Connacht Final and Semi Final. Billy Fitzpatrick was saying that it was hard to get the lads together for training and challenge games due to club commitments at the weeknds and for training mid week with their clubs, which are obviously their priorities.
What is the criteria to play for the Junior team,
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on June 06, 2007, 11:33:35 AM
Much too late to bring in a player and expect him to get up to speed of intercounty at this stage of the season. For one thing he would probably end up having a nightmare and it would shatter his confidence.

The future in regards to midfield lies in Tom Parsons, Barry Moran and Seamus O'Shea. Nothing against McNamara but having seen him play a few times I don't think he has what it takes at senior inter-county.

The juniors train in an adhoc nature, Billy Fitz said so in a recent interview. Mainly due to lads working away etc.

Criteria for the Mayo junior team are not having played senior club championship this year or last year. Also if you played senior inter-county championship this year or last you're ineligible.
All the other counties in Connacht (Ros, Sligo and Leitrim. Galway doesn't enter a team) can play senior club players provided they haven't played senior inter-county championship this year or last year. Some counties are designated as stronger (Mayo, Cork, Kerry etc.) for junior purposes and can't use their senior club players.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Msgr. Horan on June 06, 2007, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on June 06, 2007, 11:33:35 AM
Much too late to bring in a player and expect him to get up to speed of intercounty at this stage of the season. For one thing he would probably end up having a nightmare and it would shatter his confidence.

The future in regards to midfield lies in Tom Parsons, Barry Moran and Seamus O'Shea. Nothing against McNamara but having seen him play a few times I don't think he has what it takes at senior inter-county.

The juniors train in an adhoc nature, Billy Fitz said so in a recent interview. Mainly due to lads working away etc.

Criteria for the Mayo junior team are not having played senior club championship this year or last year. Also if you played senior inter-county championship this year or last you're ineligible.
All the other counties in Connacht (Ros, Sligo and Leitrim. Galway doesn't enter a team) can play senior club players provided they haven't played senior inter-county championship this year or last year. Some counties are designated as stronger (Mayo, Cork, Kerry etc.) for junior purposes and can't use their senior club players.
I dont understand why there arent more 20-21-22 year olds who arent on the senior panel on it, why it isnt used as more of a stepping stone onto senior. do we have an intermediate team? The last day against Sligo it was like a Mayo B team with a good few ex senior inter county players on it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on June 09, 2007, 11:24:38 PM
Anyone hear the result of the Roscommon v Mayo match in the Minor Championship??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on June 10, 2007, 12:16:51 AM
Your a bit premature looking for that result Red. Game not on til the 23rd June til after the leaving is over. Dont hold your breath now......
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on June 10, 2007, 12:06:12 PM
You sure because I heard it was on yesterday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on June 10, 2007, 01:35:12 PM
Its up on Aertel prematurely also.... Its on 23rd June in the Hyde at 6.30 (I think thats the time). ... You should know that no Minor Championship games are played during the Leaving Cert and never have been for ages (except in the north sometimes)... When did you start following GAA????

Roscommon are coming off the back of two round-robin games while Mayo havent had competitive action since early April. Mayo beat Ross fairly handy in the league in Ballinlough but youd never know with Minors. Remember Ross are reigning AI Champions even though they only have three or four left over from last season.

Theres no back door from the semi final so it could be a short Championship campaign for Ray Dempsey if things dont go well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 12, 2007, 08:20:32 AM
Certainly the minor clash will be an interesting one. Mayo seem to have a good backroom team, but whether they have the players is another question. Winning the league was a good start, but the fact that Ros have had two games is an advantage, although they were some time ago.

What about the senior lads? Any word of any challenges? I'm sure they will play at least one before the next game.

Starting XV for the next day anyone?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 12, 2007, 08:25:31 AM
How about the following

Clarke

Higgins          Kilcullen              Higgins

Devenney     Heaney               Howley

Moran          Brady

Dillon           Trevor                Kilcoyne

Campbell      Mortimer             Moran

Gardiner or O'Neill will start though since we need a captain!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on June 12, 2007, 08:31:45 AM
Wouldn't be gone on playing Campbell in the corner to be honest Barney
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 12, 2007, 09:44:43 AM
Wouldnt play Devenney ahead of Gardner either, neither can tackle but at least Gardner is good on the ball and can take a score, devenney is one of the worst ball players on the team, watch him try solo the ball, he solo's it up in the air most of the time!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 12, 2007, 10:31:34 AM
not bad but if you swap K omalley for Clarke Lomalley for A higgins put heaney in full back swithc  the other higgins over swap in gardiner for devenny, put BJP at centre back have hart and mcgarrity at midfield. andy at right half forward C MCd in the middle Ger brady on the right Trevor and connor in the corners and Marty Mcnicholas at FF you have the basis of a good team
QuoteHow about the following
Clarke
Higgins          Kilcullen              Higgins
Devenney     Heaney               Howley
Moran          Brady
Dillon           Trevor                Kilcoyne
Campbell      Mortimer             Moran
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ildanach on June 12, 2007, 11:33:38 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 12, 2007, 10:31:34 AM
not bad but if you swap K omalley for Clarke Lomalley for A higgins put heaney in full back swithc  the other higgins over swap in gardiner for devenny, put BJP at centre back have hart and mcgarrity at midfield. andy at right half forward C MCd in the middle Ger brady on the right Trevor and connor in the corners and Marty Mcnicholas at FF you have the basis of a good team


Harte is suspended for the next day. My midfield would be Heaney and Brady
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on June 12, 2007, 12:13:48 PM
Ros,
your a gas man
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 12, 2007, 03:12:30 PM
Ros you're a bollix!

Gardiner is not a good man for a score. He is a sprinter. He cannot kick the ball. He runs so far and then stops. Holds up the ball and gets caught of position. And when in position he cannot defend. I know its harsh but his limitations have been shown up many times.

It is a disgrace that none of our six backs can actually comfortably kick a football - look at David Heaney, he looks very amateur when trying to leather the football. Its a recipe for disaster because you can only handpass your way out of trouble.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 12, 2007, 04:49:37 PM
i did agrre with you on howley
I agree mayo backs shouw be able to kick the ball better and the forwards should score more but do you really think there are 30 better players in may than these guys . they are what we have and that is the style they play. C mcdonald  is the only true footballer on the team annd every now say he holds things up. Like it or not Mayo are going to be playing running hand ball for years to come at least untill Mr feeny's school of excellence players come through
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 13, 2007, 01:30:37 PM
Mayo played Cavan in a challenge in Athlone last night. Cavan won the game, mayo had a strong team out apparently
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 13, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on June 13, 2007, 01:30:37 PM
Mayo played Cavan in a challenge in Athlone last night. Cavan won the game, mayo had a strong team out apparently

That is worrying... 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on June 13, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
QuoteMayo played Cavan in a challenge in Athlone last night.

Agghh, why didn't you post that 24 hours ago.
Same applies for anyone with info on any upcoming challenges. Would gladly travel an hour or two to satisfy the fix of seeing the team in action.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 13, 2007, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 13, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
QuoteMayo played Cavan in a challenge in Athlone last night.

Agghh, why didn't you post that 24 hours ago.
Same applies for anyone with info on any upcoming challenges. Would gladly travel an hour or two to satisfy the fix of seeing the team in action.

i only found out today off a fella that works with a cavan panel member
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: furboot on June 13, 2007, 11:12:41 PM
reading this bb it strikes me that Mayo haven't really made any great advance on last year - yes we had one great match against Dublin to give us a glimse of what can happen on a good day - then down to earth with a bump against kerry (by the way just came across those matches out there on dvd at www.dvdsales.ie (http://www.dvdsales.ie)) .
Following that it was a league campaign where i think we punched a bit above our weight to get to a final. Galway turned us over easy .........and now Cavan are getting in on the act (no disrespect to Cavan who are never a walkover).
We have one or two players who should be allowed hang up the boots are many years of great service - players playing out of position and a manager who has more than football on his mind. And you know what - as they ad says ".....we could go a long way" this year yet>!!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Bod Mor on June 14, 2007, 02:28:26 AM
On the issue of picking forwards for the next championship match I have been monitoring the club matches over the past couple of weeks.

Austin O'Malley seems to be back to his very best for Louisburgh in the last few matches, he has been scoring heavily, surely has to be considered by JOM for a starting place.

Andy Moran scored 2-1 at the weekend for Ballagh, can anybody confirm whether he plays half forward or full forward for his club? Barry Regan has also been chipping in with a good few scores but I don't think he's on the senior panel anymore, can anyone confirm?

Damian Munnelly for Knockmore has been popping up with a lot of scores for Knockmore but as JOM has decided on his squad for this years championship. What do the Knockmore lads here think of Munnelly? I know he was on the squad a couple of years ago but never mads the cut.

Conor Mortimer is doing his usual stuff for Shrule-Glencorrib although they lost at the weekend.

Of the Ballina lads Pat Harte seems to be in form player at the moment. He got 5 points at the weekend, anybody know did he start in midfield or in the half forwards.

If I was JOM I would be picking the in form forwards at the moment. Her'es my stab at the forwards for the next championship match:

Dillon          McDonald     T Mortimor(Pat Harte when he comes back)

C Mortimor  A O'Malley     A Moran

What do people think of this sextet for the next day?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 14, 2007, 07:57:38 AM
Austin O'Malley is nowhere near good enough for this level of football. He is predictable, slow, and does not mix well with the gameplan (on the rare occasion where there is one!). I've been worried the last few weeks when I saw him getting headlines in the local papers!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on June 14, 2007, 08:32:29 AM
Have to agree with you on AOM Barney, no doubt he's a very good club player, but I don't think he has it when it comes to the intercounty game. In Sean Rice's article in the Mayo News this week he was commenting on the fact that so far in the club championship he has seen there are a number of tall strong players on display but they have all been overshadowed by small and skillfull players that populate the Mayo game and we are no closer to finding someone who can match the brawn and muscle of a Kerryman. So it looks like were stuck with what we've got.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 14, 2007, 09:02:46 AM
Well how did he score 5 points from play if he is not good enough, against kerry in the championship?
He is good enough but more so as a finisher than a set up man of which we have plenty.He must be used at fullforward and left there to prosper.On the thing of taller less skillful players in Mayo, yes we have a lot of them and its worth remembering David brady last september, he is no back by any means but shut donaghy down better than anyone else in the championship last year.That is my drift of thinking on physical power in certain areas.By the way brady is not a lesser skilled man but not one you get finesse from when a total embarassment is on the cards,he saved Mayo from extreme embarassment (20 point beating) and maybe prolonged a few careers too,less physical lads were thrown away like dolls that day and they were almost apologising to kerry for getting in the way.James kilcullen is another lad that does not apologise for breaking anyones hand with a punch when going to break a ball, why should he? Do OSe or Cavanagh apologise when they level someone?
Its not like tyrone or the rest bar kerry are overloaded with talent, we have as much chance as anyone if we can avoid our hex.And there are one or two that are able to beat kerry this year, all we can do is hope they do and we can breathe easier if we progress.I could not face another final or semi with them as opponents.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 14, 2007, 09:42:27 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 14, 2007, 02:28:26 AM

Andy Moran scored 2-1 at the weekend for Ballagh, can anybody confirm whether he plays half forward or full forward for his club? Barry Regan has also been chipping in with a good few scores but I don't think he's on the senior panel anymore, can anyone confirm?

Damian Munnelly for Knockmore has been popping up with a lot of scores for Knockmore but as JOM has decided on his squad for this years championship. What do the Knockmore lads here think of Munnelly? I know he was on the squad a couple of years ago but never mads the cut.


Andy would always have been considered a half-forward when he was younger but he is playing FF the last couple of years and certainly at club level is a class act in that position. Barry Regan was one of the lads let go from the panel before the Galway game I believe, playing well for the club but I doubt we'll see him back in this year.
I'm not  big fan of Munnellys to be honest, been looking at him for years playing underage and for me he hasn't convinced. He's an absolute flyer but when the heat is on he seems to go missing and his finishing isn't what you would need at senior inter-county level. Like it or not I think we have the best forwards in the county currently in the squad.
As for Austin, it's hard to know with him. To use a Kevin McStay quote, he doesn't look a first cousin of an inter-county footballer alot of the time but then you think back to days against Kerry in '05 and the roasting he gave Marc O' Se and you'd have to think there is a role for him. He really is one of those players that has split the opinions of Mayo fans, he seems to be either adored or not rated at all, I think there are days for him though and if he's back in decent form and has shaken off (yet another) injury it has to be good news.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 14, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
QuoteWell how did he score 5 points from play if he is not good enough, against kerry in the championship?

How come he has done nothing else in championship football?

2 or 3 of the points were very late in the day when Kerry were cruising home.

Yes, they were good scores and he had a good game but there is no fear of home catching clean ball, turning and putting the ball over the bar. That is what is needed.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 14, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
not to say I told you so  but saying it any way .and to think of the abuse I got for making the same points 2 /3 years ago .
For Austin to be effective the whole game plan would have to revolve aroud handing him the ball somewhere close to goal and let him take pot shots. I think the reason he did so well against kerry was they didnt believe any county player could be so slow .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Msgr. Horan on June 14, 2007, 01:45:19 PM
The panel is 26 there are four open places for anyone outside of that who impresses.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 14, 2007, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 14, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
not to say I told you so  but saying it any way .and to think of the abuse I got for making the same points 2 /3 years ago .
For Austin to be effective the whole game plan would have to revolve aroud handing him the ball somewhere close to goal and let him take pot shots. I think the reason he did so well against kerry was they didnt believe any county player could be so slow .

If he was full & Ciaran Mac played corner but close in he could hold the ball up long enough for Austin to score a rake of goals  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 15, 2007, 08:02:50 AM
QuoteIf he was full & Ciaran Mac played corner but close in he could hold the ball up long enough for Austin to score a rake of goals 

Ahh...no
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 15, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
the folk at the church of AOM dont give up that easy.
Lets us pray AOM ,AOM ,AOM ,AOM
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: dodo on June 15, 2007, 11:56:48 AM
When you see Ger Brady against Galway running out of the square faster than the ball is coming in over his head you realise that he is not the answer. Little Conor is left inside contesting the high one with two defenders  :-[ .
I am a worshipper of the church of AOM. Scored his 5 points in a loose QE against Kerry in 2005. Been injured or suffering from niggly injuries for much of championship time since.

Quote from: rosnarun on June 14, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
I think the reason he did so well against kerry was they didnt believe any county player could be so slow .

There is hope for me still at county level............being deceptively slow is now a hidden weapon  :D.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 15, 2007, 12:12:09 PM
Slow to the point of static.
does this means any further running down Of AOM will leave me open to charges of discrimination
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: dodo on June 15, 2007, 01:41:15 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2007, 12:12:09 PM
Slow to the point of static.
does this means any further running down Of AOM will leave me open to charges of discrimination

Not sure of discrimination but surely guilty of blasphemy  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 15, 2007, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2007, 08:02:50 AM
QuoteIf he was full & Ciaran Mac played corner but close in he could hold the ball up long enough for Austin to score a rake of goals 

Ahh...no

I think my other user name might be St.Jude  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 15, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
to be fair to austin omalley, he did score 5 from play that day.Injuries have hampered him but he is nearly ready and has the strenght and accuracy to win a ball and  score in the fullforward spot.He is one of the physically stronger lads playing for mayo now and should be used for that asset along with the fact that he can score and you all know he can.
I would prefer him at ff and lob a few few in on him to see the outcome, if he was given room(isolated) i am certain he would do damage to a big defender.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on June 15, 2007, 08:47:08 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 15, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
to be fair to austin omalley, he did score 5 from play that day.Injuries have hampered him but he is nearly ready and has the strenght and accuracy to win a ball and  score in the fullforward spot.He is one of the physically stronger lads playing for mayo now and should be used for that asset along with the fact that he can score and you all know he can.
I would prefer him at ff and lob a few few in on him to see the outcome, if he was given room(isolated) i am certain he would do damage to a big defender.
I was always a fan of Austin until the league game against Dublin in Castlebar.He looked all over the place,coludn't catch a cold and was so far off the pace.I'm afraid Austin is not the answer to our prayers unfortunately.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 15, 2007, 10:15:18 PM
Still, i believe he will be important,a gut feeling.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RoryG on June 16, 2007, 03:43:40 PM
Maughan said in his Mayo Advertiser column that Trevor Mort and Ger Brady played in the half back line against Cavan. Didn't Brady play there at underage?
As Maughan said, there's no doubt Trevor is strong enough for half back, but can he defend? We have enough backs who can attack!
Barry Moran played midfield with Heaney and Tom Cunniffe got a run the 2nd half.

Apparently they're playing Laois this weekend in another challenge. Anyone know when/where this is on?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on June 17, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
QuoteDidn't Brady play there at underage?
No, don't think so.

Would like to see another two players who can't defend in the half back line. Time to get defenders at the back instead of just good footballers.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on June 17, 2007, 11:43:31 AM
Ger played at both corner back and half back for the Mayo Minors, corner back when he was 15 marking a certain Beano McDonald
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mylestheslasher on June 17, 2007, 11:44:25 AM
I posted this on the Cavan page, maybe you'd be interested......

http://www.cavanecho.com/pdf/pages/cav030.pdf
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on June 17, 2007, 01:40:40 PM
myles,

thank you
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 17, 2007, 08:16:50 PM
Is it true that Keith Higgins broke his hand playing hurling last week? This might be old news but only heard it today.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 18, 2007, 08:06:47 AM
Fishead, Keith H got an injury alright - he either broken his wrist, arm, or a bone in his hand, or the x-rays showed up clear. It doesn't look good and probably means we will be without our only defender for the next day.

Nothing too radical in the team against Cavan. Glad to see Aidan Higgins at corner-back. Trevor and Ger Brady in the half-back doesn't do it for me. Ger Brady won't work hard enough, its not about fitting him into the team, it should be about finding room for him on the bench at this stage. And of course the people's champion is back - top of the left and about to terrorise one of the following teams that we can draw:

Roscommon
Galway/Leitrim
Longford
Westmeath
Kildare
Louth
Meath
Wexford/Laois
Dublin (but only if they lose to Offaly)
Donegal
Armagh
Fermanagh
Down
Cavan
Derry/Monaghan
Limerick

The scenario is we most beat two of this list to get to the last twelve. There we would face one of the beaten provincial finalists who at this stage may look like Laois/Wexford, Sligo, Derry/Monaghan or Cork/Kerry. Other than Cork/Kerry (unless there is an unbelievable performance) I think we would have a chance there.

My own opinion is to get a nice home draw. If we are any good we can win that and then face one of the big guns to see if it worth our while going further.

Any word on that challenge with Laois?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 18, 2007, 09:17:58 AM
anyone hear how mayo did against laois at the weekend
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Msgr. Horan on June 18, 2007, 11:12:02 AM
Take this as you will but according to the Cavan match report Austie scored 1-1 and the Cavan reporter had some praise for him. BJ seemed to be back at FF, the poor lad mustnt know wether hes coming or going. I think the number 1 jersey will be next. Mayo were 8 points down with 8 minutes left in the Cavan game, Reilly seemed to give Higgins a bit of a roasting, 2 goals.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on June 18, 2007, 01:45:53 PM
Heard Mayo beat Laois at the weekend, but I didn't get any details at all.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 18, 2007, 02:10:07 PM
Keith Higgins has a broken bone in his hand. Will miss the qualifiers.

A huge loss. We're down to zero backs now.

That's good news Tubberman that we have ended the run of defeats even if it is only a challenge. Anyone with details it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: intoDwest on June 18, 2007, 02:16:37 PM
Bad news about Higgins, time for Howley I suppose, mind you I'd rather Howley on the half back line.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on June 18, 2007, 02:17:51 PM
that hurling should be banned
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 18, 2007, 03:48:36 PM
A friend texted me to tell me that it was 3-12 to 0-12 for Mayo against Laois. Game was played somewhere neutral. maybe Kiltoom again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 18, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
QuoteA crestfallen Roscommon boss John Maughan said: "We are shattered. We were six points up and the game should have been won. That's the hardest part of it.

"There is no guarantee you will win when you show up but when you go six points up in the second half of a championship match you should win the game."

ouch, we heard that one before
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tatler Jack on June 18, 2007, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 18, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
QuoteA crestfallen Roscommon boss John Maughan said: "We are shattered. We were six points up and the game should have been won. That's the hardest part of it.

"There is no guarantee you will win when you show up but when you go six points up in the second half of a championship match you should win the game."

ouch, we heard that one before

Ros were lucky to be 6 points up - its not as though they were dominating the game. Really a comment like that from Maughan shows how poor a reader of the game he is. From the start Ros were struggling to win possession and Sligo were winning most of the 50/50 duels. Even if we were 6 points up Maugan should have been concerned about this and trying to stop the dominance of the Sligo wing backs.

Please Mayo take him back - he is the ultimate con man.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2007, 10:35:33 PM
What about Aiden Higgins in the cornerback position?? Howley for the halfbacks instead of Gardiner maybe? I'm usually not a fan of Aiden Higgins's but at least he can hit hard which was missing against Galway, ditto Howley.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on June 19, 2007, 10:47:09 AM
Kevin McStay went to Kiltoom to see most of the Mayo v Laois challenge. While we shouldn't read too much into challenge games, and we don't know how much effort Laois put in, it's still positive!
In another article in The Mayo News, it looks like Higgins will definitely miss the first qualifier, but hopefully will be back for the next (if we get there).
Also, Austin O'Malley and Kenneth O'Malley have injuries too.

Quote
Mayo seem up to the next challenge
THERE is no such thing as a well-kept secret anymore. Especially in the GAA. The mobile phone, texting and e-mailing has removed any chance a squad might have of keeping an event, an arrangement or an incident strictly within the confines of the dressing room.
If it's Saturday it must be time for a trip to the shopping mall. Load up the car and face her for Athlone. And then the texting starts. Mayo has a challenge game in Kiltoom, could ya drop in for a peep? What is one to do? Only one thing of course: inform the wife you have a couple of urgent matters to attend to in the barracks, drop the gang off in Tescos and tear back to the venue!
Well, well, well. Some people think it's all over but if the evidence on show when Mayo matched up with Laois is anything to base that thought on, it might yet turn out to be very wrong indeed.
In a game spanning four quarters of 20 minutes (I missed most of the fourth quarter as wife began to text about 'urgent matters' I was attending to) the competitive nature of this so-called 'challenge' match was very apparent. Mayo played really well and looked hungry and enthusiastic for the road ahead.
It would be wrong to go into the detail of the performance; the Round 1 Qualifier opposition can do that piece of homework themselves, but suffice to say you will see a reconstructed Mayo 15 when they trot out for that backdoor game.
I liked the refit and the balance achieved was impressive. The half-back line was energetic and strong while Conor Mortimer was deadly in attack.
Austin O'Malley togged also and got his customary haul of a goal and a few points before limping off and so will be asking questions over the next few weeks. David Brady and David Heaney had a good game as the midfield pairing and overall the win was well deserved. Put it this way: if Laois are only a week away from championship action and Mayo can toy with them in this way, then I would fear for the midlanders.
Mayo? To get a view of the new canvas you will have to put on the colours once more and get behind the side on the Qualifier route. Chances are you will be impressed. Now, only thing we want is a home draw and keep away from Ulster teams.
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Post by: rosnarun on June 19, 2007, 03:12:46 PM
how big of suckers are we in mayo.
does anyone think one little article written by a biased ex-player about a friendly he saw 'most of' will make us start believing there is still something in it for mayo this year despite the brutal evidence of galway and (even more so after sunday) the shame of losing to donegal
Of course it will , I can't wait, most positive piece i've read this year
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Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 19, 2007, 03:41:42 PM
I've long given up on reading anything major into challenge games, been suckered into believing in too many false dawns. I still think we will have a fair old cut at the c'ship this summer though, even if I can't see us going all the way and winning it, it will take a very good team to beat us. The Galway game seems like an eternity ago, hopefully the lads have that well and truly out of their system and a few of the problem positions have been worked on. This is probably blind optimism but we all need something to get through these times when there is little or no news about the team
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Post by: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2007, 07:52:49 PM
I think we could take anyone, even Armagh whom I'd be most wary of in Castlebar. That's what's keeping me optimistic, the possibility of a home draw. And the hope that the players mightn't play as bad again and the possibility that Johnno might name a different team. That little article by McStay has increased the hope in this very pessimistic supporter.
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on June 19, 2007, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2007, 07:52:49 PM
I think we could take anyone, even Armagh whom I'd be most wary of in Castlebar. That's what's keeping me optimistic, the possibility of a home draw. And the hope that the players mightn't play as bad again and the possibility that Johnno might name a different team. That little article by McStay has increased the hope in this very pessimistic supporter.
i'm not so sure..As Kevin said Laois are only one week away from the opening game of their season,i wonder how many Laois lads were giving 100 per cent? But hopefully im wrong.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on June 19, 2007, 10:00:00 PM
I think its obvious that a major cull will be made come round 1 of the qualifiers, cutting 4-5 players against galway and losing would have had everybody complaining, now he can dissect the team and for my money put out a team that will move thru the forwards a lot quicker. The qualifiers will give him a chance to iron out some/all of the issues. What good would beating Leitrim and sligo on the way to an all-ireland qualifier have been?

For my money i'd love armagh, the tougher the better in the first game, i'd seriously fancy us, flowed by a handier draw
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Post by: Davitt Man on June 20, 2007, 09:54:15 AM
MAYO continued their preparations for their upcoming All-Ireland SFC Qualifier with two challenge games in the past seven days, losing to Cavan and beating Laois, as John O'Mahony experimented ahead of the Qualifiers draw next Sunday.
A three-point defeat against Cavan last Tuesday evening in Kiltoom was followed by a nine-point win over Laois on Saturday at the same venue.
The likes of Ger Brady, Trevor Mortimer, Trevor Howley and Tom Cunniffe were all given an opportunity to impress in Mayo's defence during the course of the two games. Among those who held down positions in the attack at various stages were Aidan Campbell, Billy Padden and Austin O'Malley. Conor Mortimer was Mayo's top scorer in both matches.
On the injury front, Kenneth O'Malley didn't feature in either game as he is currently struggling with a recurrence of a groin injury. Austin O'Malley also limped out of Saturday's match and missed Louisburgh's Leo Kenny Cup Final defeat on Sunday as a result.


Whats going on, backs playing the forwards and forwards playing the backs, how can be making these drastic changes now in the middle of the summer, surely this experimenting should have been done in the FBD league and Nat League.
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Post by: rosnarun on June 20, 2007, 11:01:05 AM
I actually quite like the Idea of gerbrrady as ahalf back . that was where he played in his 1st incarnation as a mayo footballer and was very impressive. he lacks a bit of guile to make he a true forward but his driving runs would i think be even more effective from his own half and would suit the may style well. he should definetly be an improvement on devenny
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Post by: StoneWall on June 20, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Anyone else feel that Dempsey his havin a pop at Ciaran Mc in this interview...

"I'm big into percentages and the outside of the boot shot, for example, is low in percentages. You very seldom see top-class footballers shooting those low percentage shots.
"Players have to think correctly under pressure. They have to do the right thing. I would never hold a fella back once it's for the good of the team but it has to be within a team framework."


http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1781&Itemid=39
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Post by: the Deel Rover on June 20, 2007, 11:30:02 AM
maybe but just because he couldn't do it himself ,if he was having a go all Ciaran mc would have to say is show me your medals and awards  both at club and county level ;) ;)
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Post by: rosnarun on June 20, 2007, 06:28:47 PM
yeah Mc should have been dropped after that Low percentage shot againt dublin last year what was he thinking.
though its sounds like dempsey is the type of manager some mayo people are shouting for, a dour characterless team who take no chances and drag us doen to Ulsters level
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Post by: Barney on June 21, 2007, 01:17:11 PM
i don't think its fair on Dempsey to read that much into his comments. Obviously you can give the meaning that you want to them, but we have had our fair share of fancy Dans. There is substance to McDonald's style, and he can take and give the hits.

Any challenge arranged for this weeked?

A game in East Mayo or around Ros on Saturday afternoon would be perfect and then a spin up to the Hyde?

Looks like our mate Austie is all set for a crack at the qualifiers and the team seems to be shaping up somewhat like this:

Clarke

Howley
Liam O'Malley
Aidan Higgins

Trevor Mortimer
Cunniffe/Ger Brady (which I think would be a big mistake considering how lazy and yellow he is)/Heaney 
Gardiner

Heaney/Moran
Brady

Dillon
Brady/McDonald
Campbell

Mortimer
Billie Joe
McDonald

Possible spot for David Kilcullen also, I think he is a huge prospect but it is too soon for him to put down a marker when he was not involved in the league.

Serious questions need to be asked about why there is such a sea-change in approach this late in they year. There were enough signs during the league that were ignored. Why? The management have started off their championship lives on the wrong foot and have some convincing to do. The long-term should have been looked at from day 1 and the likes of Cunniffe, Kilcullen, Cafferkey, Hanley involved.

What's the story with Aidan Kilcoyne he seems to be out of favour altogether?
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Post by: Barney on June 21, 2007, 01:27:33 PM
This is from the Laois Nationalist. I presum BJP will have a roving role at FF, sluggishly sweeping back in defence?

QuoteClash against Mayo made better men
By: Tomás Moore
Leinster Semi Final

WITH less than two weeks to go till the crunch decider against Wexford, the Laois management still have a number of headaches to cure before they go to battle in the Leinster semi final.

Injuries have blighted the progress all year with the likes of Barry Brennan, Gary Kavanagh and Tom Kelly having a stop start campaign to date. Brennan and Kelly are to be fit for the game with Wexford and this is a huge boost for the side. Barry Brennan did play full forward for the side when they played Mayo in a challenge game at the weekend. The reported score was 3-12 to 0-12 with Conor Mortimer and Austin O'Malley completely destroying the Laois defence.


Mayo employed a two man full forward line with Cathal Ryan and Paul Begley at the heart of the Laois defence, with Mortimer finishing with a tally of 2-6. This is naturally alarming as Laois will have to deal with the natural talents of Mattie Forde on Sunday week.


The game was played at four quarters, which lasted for 20 minutes each but it was Mayo who brought the championship intensity with them. John O'Mahoney's charges were completely shuffled from the defeat against Galway as he changed the whole half back line.


The midfield sector was intriguing with Brendan Quigley and Padraig Clancy rubbing shoulders against David Brady (34 years of age) and David Heaney. The latter won out and controlled the mid-field zone. The part-nership of Clancy and Quigley looks set to be reunited for the Wexford game with Noel Garvan's recent blow. As always nobody can read too much into challenge games but the Laois crowd will be hoping the Timahoe duo will peak for the Leinster final, if Laois can brush off the challenge of the Model County.


The inclusion of Brennan was interesting but so is the news that Donie Brennan came on for the O'Moore County and looked sharp and lively. The Arles Killeen attacker was also introduced in another recent game against Kerry. With the Croke Park pitch so wide, it could be an interesting thought for Kearns to have in his mind as Brennan has the skill and speed to take on most defenders.


Michael Tierney was again at his best and he played in his usual corner forward berth, his place is well cemented for the remainder of the championship. Ross Munnelly was again placed at half forward and was reported to have been quiet.


Everyone knows what Munnelly can do and many will be hoping he returns to his best for the remainder of the championship. An awful lot is put on his shoulders and maybe it is now time to pass the can on to someone else and let Munnelly do his job quietly and effectively. Colm Parkinson (played as a roving forward) is another player who played well against Mayo but he looks to be consigned to the bench for the semi final. To have a player of his calibre on the bench will be delightful for the fans.


Chris Conway and Joe Higgins started as substitutes but it is reported that the two stars are nursing minor knocks while Darren Rooney also played against Mayo.


It might have been only a challenge game but nobody wants to lose any game at this stage in the year.


Who will play full forward? Will we have anyone good enough to hold off Mattie Forde? Is Barry Brennan the solution to kick us to glory? Will Donie be the powerforce?


All these questions will soon be answered and no doubt Liam Kearns, Se·n Dempsey and Tommy Conroy are the men who are well capable of answering them
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on June 21, 2007, 01:42:13 PM
I agree with Barney about Ger Brady at center half back.The man cant tackle and never tracks back to help out in defence,he turns over the ball too easily as well. But besides all that he is perfect.
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Post by: MacDanger on June 21, 2007, 04:20:14 PM
Quoteyeah Mc should have been dropped after that Low percentage shot againt dublin last year what was he thinking.
though its sounds like dempsey is the type of manager some mayo people are shouting for, a dour characterless team who take no chances and drag us doen to Ulsters level

You're reading a good bit between the lines there rosnarun. For what it's worth I don't think he'd be a great mayo manager yet at any rate, he needs more experience but i would have no problem being dragged down to ulster's level if that involves winning things instead of being 2nd place all the time.

Don't think GB would make a good CHB and to a lesser extent i don't think T Mort will make a good wing back. We need defenders at the back and forwards up front. I would imagine Heaney/Cunniffe/AN Other would be favourite. Where does Cunniffe play for Castlebar? What about S Ryder??

Why is Harte dropped from that team?? Thought he had a great year last year and seems to be doing well for Ballina. Maybe not as a wing forward but i'd prefer him to GB on the 40.

Only 4 days till the draw now..............
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Post by: ildanach on June 21, 2007, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on June 21, 2007, 04:20:14 PM


Why is Harte dropped from that team?? Thought he had a great year last year and seems to be doing well for Ballina. Maybe not as a wing forward but i'd prefer him to GB on the 40.


Harte is suspended, he got a 4 week and 1 game ban
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Post by: rosnarun on June 21, 2007, 04:59:18 PM
I think JOM would be lining himself up to be shot if he had both Mortimer and Gbrady in the halfback line. it would be stupid and reckless .
almost the actions of a man who wants to be sack and concetrate on another job, hmmmm
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Post by: blast05 on June 21, 2007, 09:23:23 PM
Quoterubbing shoulders against David Brady (34 years of age)

The man is still only 32 for Gods sake - 33 before this year is out. All part of the legend. He'll be 40 in 3 years time on his 5th comeback. And we'll still probably need him though then.


QuoteThe long-term should have been looked at from day 1 and the likes of Cunniffe, Kilcullen, Cafferkey, Hanley involved.

In fairness, Hanley or Cafferkey weren't too hot in the U-21 match v Laois.
I think you have to give the management the benefit of the doubt in terms of having given everyone a chance. Those lads are all fairly young and to come in and perform under a management team lead by John O'Mahony is a big psychological challenge that may well have required a few attempts. Add in a winter/spring of hard training and bulking / strengthening and they would also have been in more of a position physically now to impress than perhaps 6 months ago.
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Post by: mannix on June 22, 2007, 09:04:17 AM
Mayo shouldl give the media and a few big names something to talk about before its all over.I expect them to be well lit for the qualifiers and if jom cannot light them then nobody can.
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Post by: highorlow on June 22, 2007, 09:45:35 AM
QuoteHarte is suspended, he got a 4 week and 1 game ban

I hope the Club County top scorer isn't suspended, A.Moran, i'm sure you mistakenly omitted him Barney ;)
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Post by: Barney on June 22, 2007, 09:46:05 AM
If the players don't show up the next day with fire in the bellies well its time to give up on a lot of them.

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Post by: Barney on June 22, 2007, 09:47:16 AM
Yes highorlow that's a mistake. He could end up anywhere just like Billie Joe, and personally based on performances with Sligo IT I would prefer him in the number 7 shirt. But then again he is top scorer in the county championship so that would be a real Mayo thing to do!!
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Post by: rosnarun on June 22, 2007, 10:46:51 AM
QuoteCunniffe/Ger Brady (which I think would be a big mistake considering how lazy and yellow  he is)/Heaney

sounds like you have given up already ,
a disgraceful comment
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Post by: Barney on June 22, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Firstly, I haven't thrown in the towel. The team has some convincing to do though.

It is not a disgraceful comment either about Ger Brady. For a big man he is bullied too easily as we saw in Salthill. You would feel that if JOM was to give him a kick up the arse before he went out in the pitch that it may do him some good.
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Post by: mannix on June 22, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
Lets not resport to calling any mayo man yellow, he is an unpaid professional and gives his efforts when others would not.If he seems to pull back he should be spoken to by jom or maybe even yourself, tell him he is well able and encourage the dude.
Name calling our own is something we should not do, leave that to other "sucessful counties".
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Post by: Barney on June 22, 2007, 02:01:17 PM
Its not name calling, more of a constructive comment
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Post by: ildanach on June 22, 2007, 02:08:14 PM
does anyone know if there is a challenge game this weekend?
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Post by: rosnarun on June 22, 2007, 02:59:04 PM
what exact part of the wild west are you from where  calling a man yella isnt a personal insult.
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Post by: Barney on June 22, 2007, 03:12:24 PM
It is an insult, but it is not name calling.

Didn't hear of any challenges./
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Post by: mannix on June 22, 2007, 08:13:23 PM
If I call you a coward would you be insulted. Brave man from the safety of a keyboard, who would be yellow if you met brady face to face?would you be so quick to insult the man if he could ask you why you said it and said something like it back to you?
Be constructive and leave this insulting talk to the street boys and others.
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Post by: stephenite on June 23, 2007, 06:07:03 AM
Ger Brady might be a lot of things but I can assure you that lack of courage is not one of them, it is an insulting thing to say about anyone
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Post by: rosnarun on June 23, 2007, 07:51:55 AM
its not the fact thats it an insult that bothers any one but that its a childish name calling insult one.
once you play for a conty team you have to accept fair criticism but not personal stuff thay inpinges you family  name and character.
for the record I have never seen ant sign of cowardice in ger brady nor any lack of dedication or detirmination. hes on player who is laways availible to the mayo team com FBD league or what ever I have never seen hinm shirk a challange willingly.
Some time his basic ball handling can let him down but this is often because he plays at such intensity and honestly.
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Post by: ludermor on June 23, 2007, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 23, 2007, 07:51:55 AM

Some time his basic ball handling can let him down but this is often because he plays at such intensity and honestly.


Bullshit.
the amount of time he loses the ball in contact is unreal, and nothing to do with intensity honesty. Its down to poor basic skills. as for him being yella, he some man to throw shapes and then run back into his box when anyone comes near him.
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Post by: stephenite on June 24, 2007, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: ludermor on June 23, 2007, 01:01:57 PM
he some man to throw shapes and then run back into his box when anyone comes near him.

I assume you have some examples to back this statement up?
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Post by: ildanach on June 24, 2007, 03:51:23 PM
I heard mayo beat cork by 2 points in ennis in a challenge yesterday. Anyone at it??
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Post by: mannix on June 24, 2007, 04:57:55 PM
Well if they did fair play to them.I hope they draw a big one in the next round, they are able for armagh or similar and its one less worry.If they get a tough one followed by a few ok ones I think we will see a semi again.Never undersetimate the power of a good manager and the will to win now and not later.
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Post by: Redgreenery on June 24, 2007, 06:58:58 PM
So Mayos fate is to play Cavan, Mayo should win easy and if not questions will be asked.
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Post by: Davitt Man on June 25, 2007, 08:28:17 AM
Cant wait to see what team is picked this week, with all the late switchs in recent challenges it will be very interesting to see who will be playing where. I still cant understand how we can be making such radical switchs in the middle of june, this should have been done in feb and march...
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Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 25, 2007, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 23, 2007, 07:51:55 AM
its not the fact thats it an insult that bothers any one but that its a childish name calling insult one.
once you play for a conty team you have to accept fair criticism but not personal stuff thay inpinges you family  name and character.
for the record I have never seen ant sign of cowardice in ger brady nor any lack of dedication or detirmination. hes on player who is laways availible to the mayo team com FBD league or what ever I have never seen hinm shirk a challange willingly.
Some time his basic ball handling can let him down but this is often because he plays at such intensity and honestly.


That's fookin hillarious Ros, coming from the man who slags Johnno off on a personal level every chance he gets!!
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Post by: rosnarun on June 26, 2007, 09:20:07 AM
never a personal insult from me on here .
all insults to the blue shirt have been about
1) his undermining the mayo management from his various media bases over the last few years
2) he blatant using and abusing his football office to gain political advantage (show me another county where Fine gael uses red and  green posters)
£ most fatal of all his crappness as a manger since he was brought backas seen in the two most pathethic displays in major maches ive seen from mayo in a long long time Donegal and Galway. If any one can show me how he has improved the mayo team since he took over i'd love to hear it . the closest he has come so far ids to lose a league final to a pisspoor donegal team and yet this is the messiah we have been promised since 1998 , time for him to walk on water or at turn least a little water into wine

now if youy can find anything genuinly personal in that please tell me where and i will remove it
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Post by: mannix on June 26, 2007, 09:44:14 AM
What about the resurrection?
Give him a chance and you may be surprised with a Mayo awakening this year.
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on June 26, 2007, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2007, 09:20:07 AM
never a personal insult from me on here .
all insults to the blue shirt have been about
1) his undermining the mayo management from his various media bases over the last few years
2) he blatant using and abusing his football office to gain political advantage (show me another county where Fine gael uses red and  green posters)
£ most fatal of all his crappness as a manger since he was brought backas seen in the two most pathethic displays in major maches ive seen from mayo in a long long time Donegal and Galway. If any one can show me how he has improved the mayo team since he took over i'd love to hear it . the closest he has come so far ids to lose a league final to a pisspoor donegal team and yet this is the messiah we have been promised since 1998 , time for him to walk on water or at turn least a little water into wine

now if youy can find anything genuinly personal in that please tell me where and i will remove it
Thats it then. JOM OUT OUT OUT!!!!
Good Christ...
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Post by: rosnarun on June 26, 2007, 11:38:48 AM
QuoteWhat about the resurrection?
this is the resurrection
40 days shouild been long enouigh for him too
I think we have got Brian on our hands here
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Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 26, 2007, 01:26:50 PM
Ros, you are constantly referring to his life outside of football. This is not a political forum, yet you alwasy refer to him as a blueshirt, you seem to have more of problem with that since you obviously back another party. That has no relevance on this board. The fact that you don't rate him as a manager, despite his track record shows either a) how anti-fine gael you are or b) you haven't a clue about football. I'm inclined to believe both are true since you were saying you thought the Mayo-Cavan game should be cracker. Your statements are the only crackers on here!!
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Post by: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 10:38:38 AM
I am judging him on how he has performed since  he took over current allireland finalist mayo not what a team containing Micheal donnellan padraic Joyce Ja fallon tomas mannion  kevin walsh and sean og depaor did 6 or 9 years ago. an manager is only as good as his team but the first rule should belike a doctor  do no harm. he ha transfor our wonderfully vibrant mayo team to a team that loses to donegal . defend that if you  will.
the rteason i call him a blushirt is the disgracefull way he has abused the position of mayo manager for his political ends. he had many chances to becaome mayo manager over the years but only choose to do so when running for the dail , and you accuse me of mixing sport and politics.
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Post by: intoDwest on June 27, 2007, 11:56:54 AM
saying!!
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 10:38:38 AM
the rteason i call him a blushirt is the disgracefull way he has abused the position of mayo manager for his political ends. he had many chances to becaome mayo manager over the years but only choose to do so when running for the dail , and you accuse me of mixing sport and politics.

I have to agree with Rosnarun on that point.
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Post by: Davitt Man on June 27, 2007, 12:01:32 PM
I agree as well, Johnno was offered the job in the winter of 2005 before Miceky Moran got the job, Johnno didnt want it so why did he take the job in winter 2006, what had changed in 12 months, nothing where the county board was concerned. Johnno had changed he knew he was going to be running for the dail.
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Post by: blast05 on June 27, 2007, 12:09:55 PM
Oh sweet Jesus, sure why don't yee call for his head now rather than waiting until after the Cavan match
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Post by: Davitt Man on June 27, 2007, 12:21:33 PM
Im not just saying this now, i thought this way from the word go, every football man in mayo thought the same when he came in as manager. Johnno certainly hasnt improved things yet, he has made some bizarre moves this year

When he took over he stated that this is a team building process a 3 year term then he makes a 34yr old the captain!!

Playing the likes of O'Neill, Nallen and Heaney in FBD league games when he should have been blooding players

He deemed Conroy good enough to start the league final and a week later dropped him from the panel!! Whats that about
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Post by: Tubberman on June 27, 2007, 12:50:13 PM
He's managed us for 1 (ONE!) championship match and some of you have the knives out already.
Is it any wonder other counties laugh at us. Kerry aren't the only county with a shower of fcking animals it seems.

Some of you seem to have a politically-motivated opposition to the man, rather than football.
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Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 27, 2007, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on June 27, 2007, 11:56:54 AM
saying!!
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 10:38:38 AM
the rteason i call him a blushirt is the disgracefull way he has abused the position of mayo manager for his political ends. he had many chances to becaome mayo manager over the years but only choose to do so when running for the dail , and you accuse me of mixing sport and politics.

I have to agree with Rosnarun on that point.

It makes it all clear now, the very ones that rammed it down my throat to leave Bev alone are the very ones attacking John O'Mahoney. The man did not take the job for the '06 season because he was leaving his job as a teacher & was getting his life in order.

I suppose Jack Lynch was a shameless article too (just for the record if all FF's where like Jack Lynch I would have no problem with them)

God sake judge John on the team performanc not his politics. Also you are not willing to give him a chance because he is an FG, its bad enough that we kick out managers on a regular basis since the mid-1980's on average 1 every 2 years but not alone is impatiance & the irrational belief that we are Kerry but now a mans politics is reason enough to sack him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 27, 2007, 12:55:14 PM
Interesting stuff there about JOM, time will tell but I think he will surprise a lot of people yet.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 27, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
i have always admired Johnno, he is a great a manager but just worried about some of his descisions this year, he is still finding his feet and trying to find the right team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 27, 2007, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on June 27, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
i have always admired Johnno, he is a great a manager but just worried about some of his descisions this year, he is still finding his feet and trying to find the right team.

Fair enough but some of the other anti-Johnno brigade are politicaly not football motivated. He is trying to remould a team that to be honest has too many of its best (or used to be) players in the 29-34 age bracket & then alot more of its potential in the 18-22 age bracket. It will take time, it will take some awfull experiements and some great ones, sure look at Kerry playing Quirke at full forward & Donaghy @ midfield, that was a disaster. Look @ forward rotation for Dublin results in disaster time after time, but it allowed Galway to hammer us, it takes time to find your feet, remember Mickey Morans Nut formation full-forward line, he used this all league then come Championship abandon it, we still got to an All-Ireland Final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 27, 2007, 01:25:51 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on June 27, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
i have always admired Johnno, he is a great a manager but just worried about some of his descisions this year, he is still finding his feet and trying to find the right team.

Don't worry one little bit about Johnno Davitt Man, the man is a footballing genius, he knows what it takes and if the players are there he'll get it out of them. I agree the captaincy was a strange choice and for that matter so too was the vice-captain but I'm not going to start overly criticising him on that score.
Getting back to earlier threads, on one hand Rosnarun is saying Galway only won the All-Irelands because of the players he had, but then we lose to Donegal in a league final, yes a final you muppet, we had to win a few games to get that far and at least we showed up unilke Sept '06. Throw in the fact that we were missing how many 1st team regulars? If Johnno doesn't deserve credit for Galway's achievements then he certainly can't be criticised for managing a weakened team that narrowly lost to a good Donegal team (they are nowhere near as bad as they looked against Tyrone by the way). Your agenda Ros is completely political from what I can see. We have played one feckin game and some fools are calling for the head of one of the best managers in the modern game, for those of you that feel that way, you are indeed animals and you should stay away from McHale park the next day, "support" like that is never welcome in our county.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2007, 03:19:50 PM
As the old saying about managers goes, he's only as good as his last game and sadly for Johnno, we were trounced by Galway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
if he wind the next league final he will have even surpassed Pat holmes

JOM   has  3 years according to some to get things right or  at at least till the start of the next dail session.
My main point is he has added nothing to the party . no new finds not even a good progression from an all ireland winning u21 team . he rowed back on all his Big ideas . Re padden, kilcullen the return of Austie, Conroy . . he has no better idea of his best team now than he did 6 months ago
a genius is one who doesnt need thiings to belly up before he changes things
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 27, 2007, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
he has no better idea of his best team now than he did 6 months ago
This is true alright, no clue of our team now at all!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on June 27, 2007, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
if he wind the next league final he will have even surpassed Pat holmes

JOM   has  3 years according to some to get things right or  at at least till the start of the next dail session.
My main point is he has added nothing to the party . no new finds not even a good progression from an all ireland winning u21 team . he rowed back on all his Big ideas . Re padden, kilcullen the return of Austie, Conroy . .

And that doesn't for one minute suggest to you that maybe the players aren't there right now?? The older players are a year, well... older, he has used some of the U-21s that stood out from last year, namely Higgins and Campbell during the league, for whatever reason no manager has trusted Kilcoyne when it comes to championship starting 15. I think the current group of younger players need a bit longer to develop. You admit he has tried lots of things and still we are back to the same players, bit of a hint in there don't you think? I believe the Galway performace was a mixture of things, lads that had been in many battles just didn't have the stomach for it on the day. That is the major concern, and hopefully that hunger can be restored for the rest of the year, with most of them anyway, there are one or two lads that are finished at this level and that's it. Alot of fans are worried that many of our problem positions haven't been solved, despite trying things that other management teams never tried we find ourselves back to the same players, e.g Liam O'Malley at FB etc. When a management team of the class of JOM, Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher can't come up with a different set of players, once again you have to ask, are the players there just now? It's still early days, we're heading into our SECOND c'ship game of the year. Give the lads a chance, it could be a long summer yet, maybe we'll make a few discoveries against Cavan and see what happens after that. I doubt Kerry were expecting much to come from the Longford game last year yet look what they discovered!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 05:11:48 PM
QuoteI doubt Kerry were expecting much to come from the Longford game last year yet look what they discovered!!

Had kerry lost to ling ford last year i doubt if one of them would ever have played for Kerry again. while losing to donegal is not quite that bad its not far off. and whayt now would the player not have the  'stomach ' for it . Stomach was never a problem under Maughan or moran .
and most of the rest of what you are saying is a twisting of conjecture to to cover  omahonies ass . Such as if he was worried about player being One year older why did he make the oldest? Captain. A manager lives or dies by his discisions. we have yet to see what the class of JOM, Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher  is so far its one championship match played one lost. We can only discuss the matches we have seen not the future ones played on rock candy mountain.

yes there is a hint in what you are saying the managemnet are all at sea .

And before you claim i am politicaly motivated against the Blue shirt , should you care to , youll see i was ever aginst his appointment long before he was attched to the franco supporters but it is another stick to beat him with.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 27, 2007, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 27, 2007, 05:11:48 PM
QuoteI doubt Kerry were expecting much to come from the Longford game last year yet look what they discovered!!

Had kerry lost to ling ford last year i doubt if one of them would ever have played for Kerry again. while losing to donegal is not quite that bad its not far off. and whayt now would the player not have the  'stomach ' for it . Stomach was never a problem under Maughan or moran .
and most of the rest of what you are saying is a twisting of conjecture to to cover  omahonies ass . Such as if he was worried about player being One year older why did he make the oldest? Captain. A manager lives or dies by his discisions. we have yet to see what the class of JOM, Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher  is so far its one championship match played one lost. We can only discuss the matches we have seen not the future ones played on rock candy mountain.

yes there is a hint in what you are saying the managemnet are all at sea .

And before you claim i am politicaly motivated against the Blue shirt , should you care to , youll see i was ever aginst his appointment long before he was attched to the franco supporters but it is another stick to beat him with.

John O'Mahoney All-Ireland 1983, Senior All-Ireland Winnertwice, Senior All-Ireland runner-up twice, Helped out with Ballina wiining the Club All-Ireland, helped with Ballaghadeereen getting to the Mayo County Final last year, helped Brigets of Roscommon get to the All-Ireland Semi last year, got Mayo to the League Final this year just to name a few. Brought Leitrim to win the 1994 Connacht Final by beating Roscommon, Galway & Mayo in the same year.

Tommy Lyons managed Ballina to win a Club All-Ireland

Kieran Gallagher part of the management team to get Mayo to last years All-Ireland Final


The Franco supporting jibes are stupid you muppet, I suppose you are a supporter of the party who couldn't accept a democraticaly elected governement in free elections & started a murderous Civil War. A party that imposed a ban on condoms, harboured gun runners & fraudsters & hypocrites. Keep your insults to yourself for every one you have for us, we have a hundred for you.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2007, 08:01:32 PM
For the love of Christ lads, leave the f*cking politics to the general discussion please. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 27, 2007, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2007, 08:01:32 PM
For the love of Christ lads, leave the f*cking politics to the general discussion please. 

Yes Farrandeelin but alot of the criticism of Johnno sounds more like its coming from Drumcondra HQ rather than Mayo fans with a problem with his Managerial talents.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on June 27, 2007, 08:42:31 PM
Sam you bring absolutly nothing but shite to this board
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 27, 2007, 08:50:05 PM
Ludermore you just saying that because I disagree with you, how come you not giving out to Rosnarun for his political attacks on John O'Mahoney wrapped up in a veil of criticising the mans managerial skills, for Gods sake the defeat in the League Final was not so bad, agreed the fiasco V Galway was poor, but one Championship match & the man wants his head.

For you Rosarun sayig that Johnno or others who share his views are Franco supporters is ok but what I said was unacceptable. Sh!te is only sh!te when its something you disagree with it seems.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on June 27, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
sam you are so full of shit.
where did i disagree with you? i never brought up football at all. I have pulled up Ros on a few things the past few years and i dont agree with a lot he says. But i dont feel the need to comment on everything i see. I do agree with him that JOM taking the job this year and running (and getting elected) is a fiasco and fail to see how he can do the two jobs.
Why the f**k are you so concerned with what Ros says? Are you that fuckin sensitive?
Why do you feel the need to do a roll call of JOM credits , we all know what he has achieved, and prehaps he might do now if he gave it his full attention, do you feel that he is untouchable? And its not just one bad match, the league final was terrible.
Ros stop calling FG supporters Franoc supporters, its very rude (are ya happy now sammy)
And i stand over whta i said earlier , you are completely full of shit and you bring nothing to the board
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 28, 2007, 08:15:04 AM
(http://www.aebc.com/tec/scousers.jpg)

Calm down.

For me JOM has to redeem himself over the qualifiers and over the next two years. His management this season has been negligent and his eye was clearly off the ball for the Galway game. That is understandable. It is not possible to run an election campaign, and be out canvassing with Enda Kenny the day before a major championship match, and expect everything to go ok. The County Board played politics to save themselves and to get their man. JOM got his job using Mayo football. Now he owes the people of Mayo. There's no point in going into the issues in detail until after the championship but the lack of organisation, lack of gameplan, failure to give one convincing performance this season and failure to address problems in the line-up are black marks that would have John Maughan hanging from the mall in Castlebar, and remember Mickey Moran was sent packing to Derry and personally insulted for a lot less.

And Sam, be the first Fine Gaeler to be gracious in defeat and acknowledge that the people voted Bertie back into power. And no figure fiddling - remember one Enda went on TV FFs figures went up in the polls. Period. End Of.

Good morning.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 28, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
Stop the childish personal attacks on each other guys.

You can have a discussion and disagree without running each other down and attacking each others character.
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Post by: Davitt Man on June 28, 2007, 09:37:07 AM
Well said Barney!

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 28, 2007, 09:48:03 AM
in the spirit of 'boys stick together' and all that I take back every thing i said about JOM after all i do actually wish him welland I know he is a pround mayo man disote living in tte disputed east mayo region and one day hopefully we will seen JOhnno acheiveinghis lifetime aim of becomeiing Junior minister for boreens and fences.
Ill not mention the subject again
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 28, 2007, 10:21:24 AM
Truce so.

I see Austin O'Malley has picked up another injury. I really do feal sorry for the lad great potential but never seems to be able to shake his bad run of injuries.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 28, 2007, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: Fishead_Sam on June 28, 2007, 10:21:24 AM
Truce so.

I see Austin O'Malley has picked up another injury. I really do feal sorry for the lad great potential but never seems to be able to shake his bad run of injuries.

He got injured in the Laois challenge game last saturday week and missed lousiburghs game last weekend.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on June 28, 2007, 10:26:34 AM
Peace breaks out! ;)

McD has a hamstring injury as well, and JOM said he will be out for a few weeks so we're unlikely to see him against Cavan. Is AOM's injury bad? I think I read that he should be ok for Cavan game.
I wonder will we see David Kilcullen against Cavan - reports say he's been impressive in the challenge games so far.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 28, 2007, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2007, 10:26:34 AM
I wonder will we see David Kilcullen against Cavan - reports say he's been impressive in the challenge games so far.

If David Kilcullen wasnt centre back for the u-21 team how can Johnno be thinking of putting him at 6 for the senior team!!!

Doesnt make sense really, i think its far too soon to see thie lad playing, needs more time
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Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 28, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
Well I think he intends of putting Bill Joe back in the forwards, so I think its worth giving Kilcullen a shot @ number 6, I am a little more worried that Devanney hasn't come up to the grade, he a very good club player I had been ranting about bringing him into the team myself for a few years, but Im not sure he can make the step up, I hope Im wrong. I see Ronaldson was playing in the challenge matches, I know he is a great player, but while he may turn out to be another small man with great ability & scoring prowess like Mort. will the lack of hight make it hard for him to battle for his own and other forwards scores. Was David Kilcullen playing in any of the challenge matches?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 28, 2007, 11:01:11 AM
According to reports BJ was playing in the forwards in recent challenge games and ger brady and trev mort were in defence! Enda Dev wont be playing the next, he isnt quite up to at that level, speed to burn but he is poor on the ball and not a great defender. Surely the time for trying Kilcullen at 6 should have been done during the FBD and national league and not sticking with Nallen and Heaney and the likes, he should have been blooding these lads back then i have been harping on about this with ages.
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Post by: Tubberman on June 28, 2007, 11:07:49 AM
You're right - they should have tried other options at CHB during FBD and national league.
They didn't, and we can be fairly sure that the BJP experiment isn't going to work, so I think they're right to be looking elsewhere, even if it is late in the day.
The fact that D Kilcullen didn't play at 6 for the U-21s wouldn't rule him out of that position for the seniors in my opinion. I haven't seen the challenge games that he played there, so I can't say how well he did, but any reports I read said he was impressive. If he's good enough, he's worth the risk. Ger Brady would not work in half backs in my opinion. He'd be turned far too easily and as has been mentioned before, he's not the best at tackling or tracking back after his man.

It's all just speculation to pass the time til the team is named anyway! 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on June 28, 2007, 12:22:40 PM
It's likely that Trevor Mortimor will be at CHB against Cavan.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 28, 2007, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2007, 11:07:49 AM
The fact that D Kilcullen didn't play at 6 for the U-21s wouldn't rule him out of that position for the seniors in my opinion. I haven't seen the challenge games that he played there, so I can't say how well he did, but any reports I read said he was impressive. If he's good enough, he's worth the risk. Ger Brady would not work in half backs in my opinion. He'd be turned far too easily and as has been mentioned before, he's not the best at tackling or tracking back after his man.

Regardless of where David Kilkullen played for the U-21s he has played Centre-back for club most of his club career (so im told) so he should be well used to the position.

I can see Trev mort / Ger Brady / Andy Moran / Heaney in wing back positions.
Gardiner seems to be loosing out because I havnt heard his name mentioned in the challenge games. 

Has Deviney played in many of these challenge games?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 28, 2007, 12:39:25 PM
Four wing-backs?

Regardless of the experience of Kilcullen at CHB he is a 19 year old novice, not Kieran McGeeney, and dramatic things cannot be expected from his in the heat of championship when he has never put on a senior jersey before.

But maybe our luck is changing with Austies injury ruling out the inevitable comeback and substitution of the People's Champion.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 28, 2007, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 28, 2007, 12:39:25 PM
Four wing-backs?

Regardless of the experience of Kilcullen at CHB he is a 19 year old novice, not Kieran McGeeney, and dramatic things cannot be expected from his in the heat of championship when he has never put on a senior jersey before.

But maybe our luck is changing with Austies injury ruling out the inevitable comeback and substitution of the People's Champion.


Are you sure David Kilkullen has two more years after this year at U-21 level? I thought he was 20 or 21.

And as regards the "four wing-backs", I named four alternatives to whats already there... thought that one was obvious Barney but your were fairly quick to question it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 28, 2007, 01:49:28 PM
Ther no way ... could drop Gardiner . if his name hasnt been mention its because he sure of his place. Going on previous i would reckon there will be very few changes for the cavan games from the team that actually started against galway maybe one experimental and a couple of enforced one. I certainly don t see Him starting an entirly new half back line.
What about pearse hanley deal or no deal
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on June 28, 2007, 02:01:12 PM
Pearse Hanley came on against Cork in the challenge match from what I read, but I think it's too soon for him yet. Maybe a late sub if the game is already won, but I can't see him starting.
He is still pretty inconsistent, but has the talent to be a major star for Mayo for years to come. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 28, 2007, 02:11:38 PM
Gardiner a valuable player from the creation of scores deep from defence, but his primary role is defence, but while I think we need to find a player better suited to the position, the no. 6 & full back postions are far more urgent, also Peader is always exciting to watch & actually a major fan of the man as a player despite his defensive weekness.

Pierce Hanley is a great new talent, but I would hate to seem him destroyed by a player of a quarter of his ability just because he was muscled out of it, would really hit the confidence. Anyone else read what Ray Dempsey was saying about the minors, the Rossies are heavy training with weights at minor level already. Scarey future ahead if big & talented Rossies who can score & know how to win are the future.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 28, 2007, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: Fishead_Sam on June 28, 2007, 02:11:38 PM
Gardiner a valuable player from the creation of scores deep from defence, but his primary role is defence, but while I think we need to find a player better suited to the position, the no. 6 & full back postions are far more urgent, also Peader is always exciting to watch & actually a major fan of the man as a player despite his defensive weekness.

Pierce Hanley is a great new talent, but I would hate to seem him destroyed by a player of a quarter of his ability just because he was muscled out of it, would really hit the confidence. Anyone else read what Ray Dempsey was saying about the minors, the Rossies are heavy training with weights at minor level already. Scarey future ahead if big & talented Rossies who can score & know how to win are the future.

I dont rate Gardiner as a defender, I never rated him as a defender. His biggest weakness is his defence.
I dont care if he scores the odd point, its not his job. When he plays deep he is not looking after his own man. A good forward runs rings around him. Opposition teams will just play their best forwards on him and run at him all day.

Half backs coming deep clog up the attack and prevent first time ball going into the full-forward line. I blame the likes of Gardiner and Heaney for hand-passing too much. Attacks often break down around mid-field because of that crap. Its more devastating to watch rather than exciting.

Pearse Hanley is still a bit young. I think he has still a year or two left at U-21
(BTW I think David Kilkullen is a year older and has a much better physique)

Dont get me started on Dempsey
(Ok I will)

I heard from inside the minor camp that the minors didnt even train that hard this year because Dempsey didnt believe in hard running and "wanted to keep the lads fresh" = total bolix IMO

Minors in weight training is nothing new and he should have prepared them properly.

Apparently he made the minors make their own way to football matches. In the whole panel Id say there was 6 cars among the minors. Its totally unfair to expect them to make their own arrangements for transport.

And worst of all he didnt have any food for players after training. Imagine finishing school in Belmullet or somewhere like that and perhaps having to leave early for training and no dinner or food afterwards? Absolute Disgrace.

Dempsey should be ran... I felt sorry for the minors under him this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 28, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
I heard similar about minor training and morale.He is not the man for the job in any way shape or form.Mayo probably have 2 teams of minors to beat ross if they were trained by the right people.Congrats to ross but its not a sign of the seniors demise in Mayo in a few years.Dempsey has a few good ideas but not enough to do the deal it appears.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on June 28, 2007, 08:42:35 PM
Dempsey subbed off the centre forward against Ros after about 20 minutes. I presumed he would at least shake the centre forwards hand and say a few quick words but none of it  ..... the young lad walked right beside him and Dempsey didn't even look at him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on June 28, 2007, 10:53:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2007, 08:42:35 PM
Dempsey subbed off the centre forward against Ros after about 20 minutes. I presumed he would at least shake the centre forwards hand and say a few quick words but none of it  ..... the young lad walked right beside him and Dempsey didn't even look at him

Sorry didn't see the game myself but was that Alan Freeman that was taken off?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2007, 11:39:30 PM
I cannot speak of one who has ever played football/hurling. I was fated never to play it from a very early age, but a friend of mine said that when Dempsey was in charge of the underage teams in Knockmore that he didn't do a lot to inspire any confidence in them. In that light, while I was very happy to have a Knockmore man managing the county minors if decisions are wrongly made he will have to accept some of the criticism from supporters. I didn't see/hear anything about the minor match only the result and the comments that are made here and it seems that Dempsey has made a bit of a balls of it in his first year in charge. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes. It's a pity there's no backdoor (from the beginning) for the minors to strut their stuff again but I suppose if there was the club games would never be played with a lot of clubs depending on their good minors to play on the senior club team. It'd be nice to see Mayo have another chance.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on June 29, 2007, 01:46:10 AM
We all said we'd give Dempsey a chance when he was appointed, despite him not having a good managerial record, chance has been given and has not been taken, time to go Ray
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on June 29, 2007, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 24, 2007, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: ludermor on June 23, 2007, 01:01:57 PM
he some man to throw shapes and then run back into his box when anyone comes near him.

I assume you have some examples to back this statement up?

Ludermor any chance of an 'oul example
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on June 29, 2007, 08:09:37 AM
What do ye mean Ray has got to go.

He is going to get a long-term deal now - out after one game - dream scenario for the county board. No bills to pick up, and they will hope that the good work being done at minor level can be brought on to senior level.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on June 29, 2007, 08:37:17 AM
Stephenite,
sorry didnt your earlier. I take my comment back, i dont know what i was thinking, Ger Brady is fearless leader who never shirks any challange.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on June 29, 2007, 10:12:20 AM
Lets all hope that Ger is able for a wing back spot.He is a good lad but defensively I suppose JOM will have to be trusted with the picking if he does put him there.TMort would be a better defender I think and I would have no problem with himas a halfback on the wing.C Mac is laid up again, mayo will beat cavan and no matter who we draw after this game they will be tough and mac will be needed.
I hope Mac has a great few months for Mayo, he will probably leave along with others after the championship win or lose.I think with the league run, last years run and the experience on the line and the pitch that Mayo will go close again this year.Kerry are my big worry and they lost a few big names from last year so they may not be as strong and the donaghy factor may become a dud if the likes of kilcullen or brady were on his case from the start of a game.
Tyrone and co are already thinking sam,dublin too after their win over meath and how nice it would be to get dublin or tyrone in a final, we may even have a chance.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on July 02, 2007, 11:51:07 AM
QuoteAnd worst of all he didnt have any food for players after training. Imagine finishing school in Belmullet or somewhere like that and perhaps having to leave early for training and no dinner or food afterwards?

From talking to the father of 1 of the minor players on Friday, he said the story about not getting fed is bullshit. They got fed after every training session and match. True about the cars though
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on July 04, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
Mayo Team just released. Lots of talking points. David Kilcullen at CHB. Did anyone see that coming?

David Clarke, Aidan Higgins, Liam O'Malley, Trevor Howley, Peadar Gardiner (Capt), David Kilcullen, Trevor Mortimer, David Heaney, David Brady, Billy Joe Padden, Pierce Hanley, Alan Dillon, Conor Mortimer, Barry Moran, Andy Moran.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on July 05, 2007, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: highking on July 04, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
Mayo Team just released. Lots of talking points. David Kilcullen at CHB. Did anyone see that coming?

David Clarke, Aidan Higgins, Liam O'Malley, Trevor Howley, Peadar Gardiner (Capt), David Kilcullen, Trevor Mortimer, David Heaney, David Brady, Billy Joe Padden, Pierce Hanley, Alan Dillon, Conor Mortimer, Barry Moran, Andy Moran.
I am very very surprised to see Kilcullen, Moran, and Hanley starting. Its a very strange team, i dunno what to make of it. IMO Hanley isnt ready for senior action, Kilcullen while he is physicallly strong isnt ready yet either and where has barry moran come out of, no mention of him in ages. Kilcullen wasnt deemed good enough for no.6 on the u-21 team this year, cunniffe was ahead of him and yet he is no.6 for the SENIOR team. I know he plays at 6 for ballagh but still. Hanely is a great prospect but people will expect to much from him, the one lesson he needs to learn is to pass the ball, he has a terrible habbit of head down and solo away aimlessly, he needs to look up and give and go. I reckon we should beat cavan but thats it i reckon if we draw a decent team we will get beat. We cant make that many changes to team in the middle of c\ship and expect to have a long summer. No chucky either! our captain! Where we are going with Trev Mort as a wing back is beyond me, no doubt he will make 1 great lung bursting run and the crowd will will love it but he will get found sooner rather than later, the lad cant tackle to save his life and he tends to fowl in the tackle,i always maintained his best position is 14 as a great ball winner. Poor billie joe been shoved from piller to post i dunno how he puts up with it!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on July 05, 2007, 08:44:02 AM
Its a different team for sure,barry moran could do with another stone to save his poor body from the abuse he will get in there.At that rate would james kilcullen have been a better option at full forward, I mean its not as though barry is a forward that will score, maybe a man to aim for and he will  break it but not a scorer in y book.J kilcullen has the muscle to beat 99% of backs if that is the path we have chosen, barry is in for a rough time even if we win on saturday.
Any way its good to see change, they were dead on their feet against galway and remember its not kerry we are playing on saturday and jom knows it so its time to shock a few lads out of the slumber.Its a big game but the second Mayo 15 would be well able for cavan,a good game to try out a few new ideas.
Mayo by 7 points even if some of you think I am overconfident.Hanley and co have enough class and speed to beat cavan,if not I promise to kiss a man from cavan( ok,ok,well maybe not a man but i will definetly kiss a woman from there).
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on July 05, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
QuoteMayo by 7 points
Mindless enthusiasm I love it but i thought that was my duty on these pages . i have never seen mayo fans as confident going in to any game Bar london and its giving me a real bad feeling. what ever troubles cavan are having they are a good football county and with the exception of a few outstanding player most counties are not half as weakened by withdrawls as you would think . remember we are missing higgins and Mcdonald K o'malley and   ::) austie . I just hope this wasnt JOM thinking when picking such an experimental team
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: intoDwest on July 17, 2007, 02:55:25 PM
where do we go from here...............................................some fall from grace.

Who do we blame for this shambles? The management? The players? The lack of Players? The structures setup in Mayo football? The election? Bev?

All I know is that JOM is getting off very lightly over this. I would love to have read some of the columns in the western (well one in particular) if Micky Moran had sailed the ship onto the rocks like this.

A complete shambles, I have no problem being knocked out of the All Ireland but some of the selections over the year have been baffling, fellows starting games then deemed not good enough only suddenly to appear again. The complete lack of experimentation during the league. I'm really at a loss to sum up how I feel.

We should just bite the bullet now, forget about all irelands etc for 3 years. Get the best footballers in the county from the ages of 19-23 (along with the core group of the mid 20's that are already in the squad). Put a program in place that will have in 3 years a large squad of player from the ages of 22 to 28 physically ready to compete at the required level. Look at the players that we will have available, devise a system that would suit the players that we have available and work towards perfecting it over the next 3 years. Forget short, its time to look long term now.

I'm ranting on a bit but it is time to start afresh.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on July 17, 2007, 07:59:17 PM
i dont think getting rid of jom would solve much we would still have the same problems for some new manager to sort out.j killcullen starting every league game at fb and then forgoten about for the championship was complete madness.personally i didnt think he was to bad and with some work he could still solve our fb problem.i agree about long term planning and we seriously need a system that suits our players.i was amazed by some of the managements decisions this year but they need time and i would blame the players more than management.certain players look to be more interested in their own performance than the good of the team and some players look to have no interest whatsoever.we started saturday witout our captain or vice captain on the field i think that sums up mayo this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2007, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 17, 2007, 02:55:25 PM
All I know is that JOM is getting off very lightly over this.

Very true. I would feel hypocritical to criticise as I couldn't make the game due to work commitments but O'Mahony should accept some of the blame. As mayoman dan said the captain and vice captain didn't even start, who is to blame for that but the manager. Why did he pick O'Neill as captain if he was going to give him brief cameos from the bench? As well as that, our fullback position seemed to become more of a problem than anything else as the year went on. You could say the whole defence became more of a problem.

Anyhow, it's better to get beaten by 10 points at this stage than to suffer another humiliation in September in my book and after last year's trouncing it was always going to be hard to get back to the final again. But I think the last 10/11 years could have and should have been a period of at least 2 AI titles. Lord knows we had the players. Now, I really don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 12:10:05 PM
Rosnaruns response to my origional post on the Doire V Maigh-Eo thread.

Quote from: rosnarun on July 19, 2007, 10:49:15 AM
I too agree with 90% of waht barney said including for the 1st time ever on P gardiner which make me think most people didnt read his post correctly.

you'll all be delighted to know this is My last say on the subject untill the couty board kick him out or he 'resigns'
in summarry
the wrong man was appointed for the wrong reasons at the wring time and he accepted it for the wrong reason.
he fecked up a team of potential All ireland winners in to a team that gets beaten by the likes of derry and godhelp us donegal. At least in the end he brought in a few new faces after he realize what a bags he made of things but then he completly chickened out with 15 minutes to go  and tried to revert to Mickey morans team and mayo went from being level to being humiliated as they lost all shep and looked like headless leaderless chickens and poor aidan campbell was made a laughing stock of.
BUT yet people on this board are still trying to make the facts fit the Jom is till our lord god and Messiah see below.

and BTW when id thisd master stoke Of Kevin O neill as captain going to pay off

This was supposed to be a Positive reponse?

1. The players for one are all a year older than last year.  negative Excuses . this is a suprise?.
2. Ciaran McDonald is NOT the countries best player. negative Excuses matter of opinion dara ose only comp.
3. Peadar Gardiner is a back who can attack but not defend.negative Excuses. cliched bullshit.
4. Geraghty is far too small.negative Excuses never ever let mayo down .
5. Kenneth O'Malley is just coming back from injury. negative Excuses still better than clarke .
6. Kilcoyne is an excellent forward, but as of yet he never tracks back to help with the defence, O'Mahoney is trying to train him to do this & rest assured once he improves in this aspect he will be playing alot.negative Excuses if we have more excellent for wards wed never lose any game .
7. Marty Mac is a great talent, but he needs to show it more at County level when he gets yet another shot.negative Excuses Marty Mac is a great talentPeriod .
8. David Brady is no longer anything more than a bit player, & he has not been @ his best of late.negative Excuses. so why was half the country goining crazzty to have him on the team and who's better?.
9. Our midfield is seriously crippled in comparrison to 2004 & 2006 because of Ronan McGarritys illness.negative Excuses all teams have injuries.
10. Under-21s dont suddenly become great Senior players without time & coaching.negative Excuses Im confused are the team too old or too young?.
11. Our so called traditional style of football has not delivered an All-Ireland in 56 going on 57 years.negative Excuses  and a high ball to barry moran at the cost of all other stategy will?.
12. O'Mahoney has set up shadow panels who are all on skills, weight training and correct diets, it will show over the next two years.Done before omahony came
13. In reality I'm sure Moran & Morrison are looking @ their harsh treatment as a blessing in disguise.(why becaause JOM ballsed it up?)
)
14. We tried players that looked great in the Club Championship such as Devanney, he wasn't up to the pace.negative ( i alway said he was crap does that mean you dont try any other players #? horse shit .
15. Keith Higgins was a massive loss (more so to the hurlers)negative Excuses see num 9.
16. A new set of players take time to gel together.  negative Excuses most managers  do best in their 1st year .
17. Drop the Political Bullshit & people might take your football related argument more seriously. (even barney knows this was a huge factor)

Thank you and goodnight

Jaz Rosnarun, at least ya have a sence of humour  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: intoDwest on July 19, 2007, 02:43:16 PM
He is consistent thats for sure. I'm still depressed over the whole thing, the league is a long way away.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 03:41:40 PM
I have locked the Doire V Maigh-Eo thread & pulled across one or two of the points to this one. Heres Rosnaruns main argument (totally disagree, but the mans intitled to his opinion)

Quote from: rosnarun on July 18, 2007, 03:25:01 PM
I still havent heard one positive argument as to what good he has done. why should sam be 3 years away we were in 2 of the last 3 finals. we have a good supply  of u-21's coming through a huge resivoir of club players and a passion/desire/need within the county few others can match . we also have the countries best player in Ciaran Mcdonald ,
JOM had one huge advantage over recent Mayo manager in that he truly had the pick of the counties best playr un like others inrecent years , Tmort d brady CMcD all have had  limited involvement in the last few championships but o mahoney failed to bring the best out of them and ignored /Under used real talents such as K omalley gardiner kilcoyne d geraghty and Marty Mcnicholas and used 2 of his own clubmen who are far fromready for the fray.
ANd worst of all hes seem incapable of motivating this team which prev was never even an issue . do you think omanhonies team would have made that comback against dublin last year  based on last weeks perforance against what will prove to be a poor derry team, not a chance
What this Guy used to have he shouwed no signs of it this year.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 18, 2007, 12:32:14 PM
I'm not Rosnarun biggest fan (no offence Ros)  but Ill back him up on this point. Sam long before you started posting on this board Ros made it clear about his thoughts on JOM as a manager for mayo. This was before he was nominated for election as a FG candidate. I remember debates over about maughan and calling for JOM myself to be appointed as manager and Ros was consistent all the way through that he did not want him there. I don't think it was politically motivated back then and i don't think it is now. All the politics is now is another stick beat him with. You know my views on JOM and the election but I dont want to go back into that.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on July 18, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 18, 2007, 03:25:01 PM
I still havent heard one positive argument as to what good he has done. why should sam be 3 years away we were in 2 of the last 3 finals. we have a good supply  of u-21's coming through a huge resivoir of club players and a passion/desire/need within the county few others can match . we also have the countries best player in Ciaran Mcdonald ,
JOM had one huge advantage over recent Mayo manager in that he truly had the pick of the counties best playr un like others inrecent years , Tmort d brady CMcD all have had  limited involvement in the last few championships but o mahoney failed to bring the best out of them and ignored /Under used real talents such as K omalley gardiner kilcoyne d geraghty and Marty Mcnicholas and used 2 of his own clubmen who are far fromready for the fray.
ANd worst of all hes seem incapable of motivating this team which prev was never even an issue . do you think omanhonies team would have made that comback against dublin last year  based on last weeks perforance against what will prove to be a poor derry team, not a chance
What this Guy used to have he shouwed no signs of it this year.

Maybe our county's best arent good enough, i think the victory against Dublin had more to do with Dublin collapsing than with Mayo coming back from the dead.Also a lot of that team were in the last chance saloon when it came to All-Ireland medals and they fought one last fight. It didnt matter who was in charge this year, the players simply have too many miles on the clock without any time away from football and the appetite for the fight was gone. What proved it to me was Trevor Mort. in the championship this year,he was like a new man becuase of the little amount of football he played last year. It just seems we are going round in circles with this debate now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on July 18, 2007, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 18, 2007, 03:25:01 PM
I still havent heard one positive argument as to what good he has done. why should sam be 3 years away we were in 2 of the last 3 finals. we have a good supply  of u-21's coming through a huge resivoir of club players and a passion/desire/need within the county few others can match . we also have the countries best player in Ciaran Mcdonald ,
JOM had one huge advantage over recent Mayo manager in that he truly had the pick of the counties best playr un like others inrecent years , Tmort d brady CMcD all have had  limited involvement in the last few championships but o mahoney failed to bring the best out of them and ignored /Under used real talents such as K omalley gardiner kilcoyne d geraghty and Marty Mcnicholas and used 2 of his own clubmen who are far fromready for the fray.
ANd worst of all hes seem incapable of motivating this team which prev was never even an issue . do you think omanhonies team would have made that comback against dublin last year  based on last weeks perforance against what will prove to be a poor derry team, not a chance
What this Guy used to have he shouwed no signs of it this year.


Ros, it is pointless trying to explain a positive argument to you when A) you won't listen to it and B) your own argument is as one-sided and bias as above. You refuse to take into account the fact that the players O'Mahoney took on were even more scarred than those Moran inherited. Last years final was an absolute humiliation, it set us back a long long way, even further than we thought at the time. What is the point discussing the Dublin comeback now? the Kerry slaughter happened afterwards and is more relevant at this stage. O'Mahoney didn't have a good year, that speaks for itself, but when the writing was really on the wall, he started to rebuild. You won't accept that he was right to let the older lads have one more go against Galway. Most of us think he was right to give them another shot, they failed, so he re-jigged the team in the middle of the c'ship. This appeared a bit daft yes, but I think he realised it's better to look to the future straight away. The re-building has now started for 2008, not that he deliberately wanted to go out of the 2007 c'ship, but when you realise mid-stream that the crew on board don't have what it takes, better to get the right men in at some stage. Ciaran Mac was the best player in the country in 2004, not since then can we genuinely argue he is anymore. I agree with Fishead Sam on Gardiner and Geraghty, just not up to it. You simply won't accept that alot of forces were against Johnno this year, all this crap about him inheriting a great bunch of players is a load of sh1te, some of them were great but don't have it in the heads or legs anymore. The U-21s are the future but it will take time to get them up to the standard. A summer off will do all of them alot of good, they just don't have the desire and even a coach as brillant as O'Mahoney can't make them want it. If we are still having this discussion in a years time you may have a point, I am going to wait until next season before casting judgement, by which time I expect us to be a serious outfit again and having a genuine cut at chasing Sam. This year like 2005 is a hangover year in my opinion, it will pass and we will come back stronger. If you want to keep going round in circles in the mean-time bringing up the same old arguments be my guest.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Pietas on July 18, 2007, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 18, 2007, 03:25:01 PM
I still havent heard one positive argument as to what good he has done. why should sam be 3 years away we were in 2 of the last 3 finals. we have a good supply  of u-21's coming through a huge resivoir of club players and a passion/desire/need within the county few others can match . we also have the countries best player in Ciaran Mcdonald ,
JOM had one huge advantage over recent Mayo manager in that he truly had the pick of the counties best playr un like others inrecent years , Tmort d brady CMcD all have had  limited involvement in the last few championships but o mahoney failed to bring the best out of them and ignored /Under used real talents such as K omalley gardiner kilcoyne d geraghty and Marty Mcnicholas and used 2 of his own clubmen who are far fromready for the fray.
ANd worst of all hes seem incapable of motivating this team which prev was never even an issue . do you think omanhonies team would have made that comback against dublin last year  based on last weeks perforance against what will prove to be a poor derry team, not a chance
What this Guy used to have he shouwed no signs of it this year.


While I'm prepared to acknowledge that you're consistent, you are descending into a desparate rant here.   For starters, T Mort had a good year and McDonald hasn't effectively got over the injury sustained before last year's AIF.  Gardiner is limited defensively.  McGarrity's difficulties are well known.

It's simplistic in the extreme to think that just because Mayo played in the All-Ireland final last year they should go on and perform to the same level this year because we have a new manager, with a good track record, at the helm. I can't disagree that his eye might have been off the ball until after the election.

I understand your frustration, but what's another year or two after over half a century without Sam?  Mayo had fundamental problems last season which weren't shown up until Kerry rolled over them.  That could well have happened again this year.

Would you have preferred that outcome to our season?  Another All-Ireland humiliation.  Would you really prefer that to an exit through the backdoor.

How did exactly did Moran engineer Mayo to come from seven points down against Dublin? Had Jason Sherlock not hit the crossbar in the first-half Mayo would have been ten points down and out the door.


There isn't another country in Ireland (bar Kerry) what wouldn't take on O'Mahony.  Your constant references to his job and political affiliation suggest you are motivated than something other than football.


O'Mahony is as shrewd as they come and is probably hurting over this defeat.  As a, TD it's not as if he can keep his head down.  He will now go away and plan for the future with the meticulousness for which he is renowed. Remember, if he doesn't land Sam, the Mayo football public willl show him what they think of that when they go to vote at the next General Election

My personal preference is that this is done without Conor Mortimer if he continues in his current vein of form.  One point from a free is a shocking return for someone once rated as one of the best fowards in the country, but that type of display is not limited to the O'Mahony regieme.

Regardless of what one thinks of the manger, it's time to look to the long-term.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 19, 2007, 03:47:14 PM
Quote from: Barney on July 18, 2007, 08:46:06 PM
Ok lets manipulate the stats a bit in favour of Rosnarun. John O'Mahony was involved in 5 championship matches in his last two championship season, one with Galway, the other with Mayo. Results - lost to Mayo by 6, beat one of the poorest Louth teams to play the game, lost to Tyrone by 7/8 points, thrahsed by Galway by 7 points, beat an awful Cavan team, lost to Derry by 10 points. Hardly inspiring stuff.

BUT it is the long-term programmes that we are told, and know are being put in place that makes people happy to stick with this project. He was on Newstalk last night and said that he will have the young players back sooner rather than later. You cannot be thrashed in two All Irelands within 3 years and just ignore the real facts. You lose out for a reason. We were way off the pace and was it not for being lucky enough to draw Fermanagh, and getting a run on the Dubs those days may never have come.

Now to the nonsense. Firstly Peadar Gardiner cannot defend, but putting him up front is ridiculous. He cannot kick the ball. A bit of a problem. He is just one of our players that has this problem. Technical deficiencies must be overcome if we are to achieve anything, and that starts with the very basics of the game.

Direction must also be brought to our game. It should be carefully structured. Part of the problem with our team and our defending is an unwillingness to work. Have the players that dying ambition to win an All Ireland, or to succeed to reach their maximum ability? I don't know. There is no reason why the work ethic of a team like Tyrone cannot be introduced to our play. If you don't have it you are of flawed character when it comes to playing football. You look at our lads after they concede scores, miss points. They are running around like the proverbial sheep, nobody cajoling, leading.

We need to be metronomical in our play. If there is a free in area X it should be taken by player Y. Every contingency should be planned for. This takes time. On Saturday numerous times David Brady and Trevor Mortimer wasted possession from dead balls kicked aimlessly. There was no direction. David Brady has been a great player for the county, as have many of the older lads, but do they want to take direction? Will they listen?

I truely believe that if you become so analytical about your play and introduce that work ethic to your training, all preparation and your game, the true skills will emerge.

If any of us are realistic, even in hindsight, the year was going to come to a sudden and painful end. We blooded three 19 year olds who did not play any intercounty football this year. Criticisms of Cunniffe, Kilcullen or Hanley are unfair. They were learning their trade against players that had years of experience and full season of training ahead of them. You can't just throw fifteen fellas together in July and not expect to be caught out. JOM knew that was going to happen, whatever you say about him he is nobody's fool.

And so the meticulousness that I mention is something that JOM is renowned for. He has started the ball rolling. A purge of last Summers heroes would not have been easily swallowed last February.The evidence is there to do that now albeit that a degree of change could have started by having some younger players as subs.

The political issue is pertinent. It did interfere with arrangements for Salthill. There can be little doubt about that. But that is understandable. I don't agree with the way Moran was fired. I do believe that it was an appointment of convenience for both JOM and the County Board who have blue leanings. However the election is over. Many wanted this man in the job for years. He took over an over-achieving team who even at their peak under JOM would probably have struggle to win All irelands without the two or three top-class forwards needed to lead a championship winning side. The time for bitching is done. I'm going to place my trust in the man. I do believe in some of the young lads and I hope that a burning desire to succeed will mean that come 2009 or 2010 a town full of Roscommon men will have to spend 12 months looking at the TD living at the edge of the town polishing Sam Maguire every Monday morning before he packs his bags for another week serving his constituents. And if he was to achieve the ultimate John O'Mahony would have done more for the county of Mayo than any politican could ever achieve. The desparation for an All Ireland in the county is crippling at this point in time. I hope we have the coolest head at the helm who will stick with the job and be patient and see it through with that touch of luck that will be needed.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on July 20, 2007, 01:29:49 AM
A few good points there Rosnarun but your main thrust seems to be that JOM should not be manager of Mayo Senior football team.

Well them who should we have??

You appear to belittle JOM's achievements of winning the AI in '98 and '01? In that case we are left with just 4 candidates suitable for the job..............Paudie, Joe, Mickey H and P O'C..........two of those are retired and the other two are atill working.................whats' your suggestion?? Very few here agreed with M & M's shafting but ther's no point complaining about it......................however if you have our saviour wrapped in html over there, please let us know..................

For what it's worth, I believe JOM made some massive mistakes this season..................that said, he is still the best man to be at the helm next year.................keep the faith....................
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on July 20, 2007, 02:14:10 AM
Even if we had a different manager this year, Harte or Jack O'Connor or even stayed with Moran and Morrison I don't believe that our situation would be drastically different, the problems that we faced in each of the last few years are still there, we are not strong enough in certain key defensive positions at the moment - injuries haven't helped the team but I don't think any of the players that are out injured would have played at no's 3 & 6
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on July 20, 2007, 09:41:30 AM
not sure if jom made mistakes at all, he is smarter than most and will have a strong team of young fellas ready to challenge in a few years.The older lads of today have run their course and will retire now and next year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 20, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: mannix on July 20, 2007, 09:41:30 AM
not sure if jom made mistakes at all, he is smarter than most and will have a strong team of young fellas ready to challenge in a few years.The older lads of today have run their course and will retire now and next year.

i have asked this question before mannix not to you but others,of the team that started last saturday apart from david brady and maybe David heaney who is going to retire? The answer no one they are the future of mayo football and they should have been bursting a gut to impress the new manager but they didn't ,derry toyed with us for the full game, thats the worrying thing about last week the team did not seem motivated  and that was with 5 of last years under 21's starting
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on July 20, 2007, 11:20:56 AM
Point taken, k oneill,j nallen,d brady,d heaney, c mac and a few of the starters are on thin ice.D heaney and mac may survive another term but its wearing thin for them too.I am an optimist by nature but i must say lately i am beginning to loose faith in the green and red and hate to give ground to dublin and co.C mort is a top drawer scorer but where was he last september or against galway or derry?If our best are that easily stopped--------well you see where i am going.I think its time to reshuffle and see what is available or will be available with the right training in place for them.Just because a lad is young and in the panel does not give him any right not to be dropped, i had no faith in barry moran but he looks like a prospect at fullforward,maybe seamas o se or tom parsons could be the new d brady, remember him cleaning meath in both games in 96, we need fresh legs because after 10 or 12 years chasing your tail you will still never catch it.
Living in hope, but just about.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on July 20, 2007, 02:54:05 PM
Them players may be on thin ice, K O Neill and J Nallen are defineatly gone for next year I'd say and hope they are too, we need to get the new blood in and settled, D Brady I'd say is probably gone aswell, as for C McD depending on his back, I wouldnt be surprised if he goes for it one more time, and D Heaney, I reckon he'll defineatly still be there next year as he still has things to offer and could play in mabye a corner back position such as Peader Gardiners and will be a fill-in for midfield and any other position in the backs.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on July 20, 2007, 05:35:33 PM
Heaney has another year or two left, he just seems to be one of these players that are just naturally fit all the time. Macdonald I hear has a couple of herniated discs that can cause major pain when they flare up, surgery might be the answer for him but there are no guarantees with back surgery. Some time of will do him good though. Nallen and Brady are at the end but could offer some much needed experience and leadership from the sideline. It would be good to keep them around. A few months of will do the whole panel a lot of good...rest up and get the appetite back. Some good young players coming through which leaves a lot of optimism for the future. Looking forward to the next couple of years and hoping there are no more major distractions for JOM.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on July 20, 2007, 07:02:04 PM
In fairness to James Nallen I think his legs were gone come the All Ireland Final in 2004. He has played some good football since then, especially the league final this year. He may have a role to play from the bench in league games but probably not come the Summer. One of my favourites of all time, and possibly the best Mayo player of the last 25 years.

Anybody in Celtic Park last Saturday would reckon that David Brady is gone. He seemed to lack enthusism for the rebuilding job, and just did not have the athleticism to play midfield at the top level. Such a deficiency would really be highlighted in a big game in Croke Park.

There is a few years left in Heaney no doubt. Is he only 30?

McDonald - depends on his back. Would like to see him give it one more shot. Could be a great influence on the youngs lads.

O'Neill - I think he'll call it a day. He had an indian summer that none of us expected. He has a good job with a lot of travel and is getting on.

Remember JOM was picking alternative XVs in the Western when Maughan was manager, well the predecessor is having a bit of a dig in this weeks Mayo Advertiser - referring to Mayo as "we" "us" etc. really bugs the Rossie lads!

QuoteI was in Celtic Park, Derry on Saturday evening and I saw Mickey Moran not too far away from me. I suspect he knew his every facial twitch would be monitored quite closely by people around him, but still I couldn't help notice a bit of a smile on his face.

Not that Mickey would want Mayo to lose, but he must have wondered at the irony of his vacating the Mayo manager's job last year, only to see the team end this year on such a low point. This was a dismal performance by Mayo, with very few redeeming features, and it leaves the county at a low enough ebb for the end of 2007 – although I would urge people not to despair as there is a splendid crop of 19, 20 and 21-year-olds out there chomping at the bit.

Over the years teams have traditionally used the National Football League to blood new players. Mayo didn't do that this year and perhaps got carried away a little by the fact that they reached the league final.

But the dogs in the street could have told you that some players who got through the league wouldn't be able to cut it come championship time and this was when the experimentation should have started. Some of the players who lined out on Saturday last didn't get enough game time in the league and some didn't get any at all.

That was a mistake and it left Mayo in a confused state going into the championship. Once Galway bored holes in us we were scrambling and the result was that we had to put out teams that were extremely high on experimentation. So rather than experimenting in the league we ended up experimenting in the championship. When I was manager in 2004/5 I came in for a lot of criticism for not selecting certain players who were cutting the mustard at club level at that time. But as most knowledgeable GAA people know there is a serious step up to inter county standard. Why would any manager not select players if he and his management team thought they would be good enough at inter-county level? One or two of those players were recalled this year and again were found wanting at this level.

I thought the selection policy for the Derry game was unusual too. After seeing the Cavan match, I presumed we would not go with Liam O'Malley at full-back again. Liam has many fine characteristics and, in my view, would make a wonderful wing half-back which is where I expect him to play next season.

But he is not a full-back. He just isn't big enough. You can't ignore that fact. Full-back is a very specialist position. Even Tyrone have troubles there. But you certainly can't go with a full-back who is too short for the role.

Cavan showed up his shortcomings, and it wasn't a good plan to go to Celtic Park with Liam at full-back again, particularly against a full-forward line as potent as the one Derry possess.

In my opinion David Heaney should have been played there. He has experience and guile and, while he is not in the first flush of youth, he would have been a better bet for this outing. I also suspect that Liam O'Malley's confidence has taken a battering from his few games at full-back and that too must be addressed for next year.

We were in trouble in other places too. We never got to grips at midfield and lived off scraps for most of the game. David Kilcullen, while possessing a lot of talent, still has a lot to learn in the centre half back position at this level. James Nallen might have been a better candidate for a rugged trip to a place like Celtic Park.

Up front only Barry Moran caused any real trouble, asking questions of no less a player than Kevin McCloy. However, I think Barry will end up midfield on this Mayo team – I'd like to see Ronan McGarrity given an extended run at full-forward next year. Barry has done very well at full-forward in the past few games, but I don't think he possesses the agility and sharpness required for full-forward. That said, he is a good footballer, is only 21 years of age and has all the attributes to play at midfield for the next number of years.

Alan Dillon showed some sparks in the first half and I can only assume he was injured when he didn't appear for the second.

Aidan Campbell contributed reasonably well for the 15 minutes he was on the field and I don't think his confidence will have been helped by his substitution. There were a number of players on the pitch a lot longer who contributed less.

Another to give a good account of himself was Aidan Kilcoyne, though his role as a substitute was brief because of his injury. Aidan played some great games for Mayo last year as a sub and perhaps he is one of those players who will also do best coming off the bench. On the form he showed last Saturday we should have seen him earlier in this championship.

Conor Mortimer didn't sparkle and Andy Moran was quiet too. Andy will have a real appreciation of what it's like to meet one of the best defenders in the modern game and Sean Marty Lockard is one of the best. Our team captain, Kevin O'Neill, came off the bench late in the game but he couldn't make an impact.

Despite all this, there was still a period when we looked like winning the match. After being dominated early in the game we got the lucky break following a bad mistake by the Derry goalkeeper big Barry Gillis – the ball fell to the even bigger Barry Moran and we had a soft goal.

I was behind the Derry management and they were rattled. They couldn't believe that, after all their domination, the teams were level after 20 minutes.

In the second-half it was 1-8 apiece after 15 minutes and it looked as if we might win it, despite not playing well. But then David Clarke failed to deal with a high ball on the edge of the square and Derry had the ball in the net for an easy goal. This swung the momentum in Derry's favour and we began to leak all over the field.

Looking forward to next year is for another day. But we have good players on the up: I can see Tom Cunniffe at centre half-back next year, Pierce Hanley at 11, Ronan at 14, Barry at midfield, Liam O'Malley at wing-back, and Keith Higgins back in the fold too.

We have Trevor Howley, too, who was magnificent on Saturday. He put his body on the line. In one cameo early in the second half he almost lost the ball coming out of defence, nearly fell out over the sideline, but still he came out with the ball and cleared his lines. A great man, playing with his heart on his sleeve.

If we had four or five Trevor Howleys, men with that kind of determination, we'd take a lot of beating. Trevor Mortimer put his body on the line throughout the game and he is one player who has nothing to be embarrassed about after this outing.

We are not top heavy with good young forwards, but hopefully a few will emerge over the coming weeks of the county championship.



The Dubs and the fuss


I've always had a soft spot for the Dubs. They bring colour and razzmatazz when they get an extended run in the championship. The banter is mighty and there is no more colourful sight than Hill 16 on championship days.

But I thought their antics last Sunday were pathetic. Good players should never stoop so low and I thought Mark Vaughan and Alan Brogan's taunting of their Laois opponents was an ugly sight. Darren Rooney (Laois) is a big man and I am sure well able to take care of himself. He showed remarkable restraint and is to be complimented for not lowering himself to the standards of the opposition.

Management should deal with that kind of stuff, nip it in the bud. It was the main low point for the Dubs. I thought they were very impressive, though Laois could have hit them for a few more goals.

I still put Kerry and Cork in the first two positions for this year's Sam, with Dublin third. I would like to see them tested like Mayo tested them last year. They will get that test soon enough.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on July 20, 2007, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: Barney on July 20, 2007, 07:02:04 PM
In fairness to James Nallen I think his legs were gone come the All Ireland Final in 2004. He has played some good football since then, especially the league final this year. He may have a role to play from the bench in league games but probably not come the Summer. One of my favourites of all time, and possibly the best Mayo player of the last 25 years.

Anybody in Celtic Park last Saturday would reckon that David Brady is gone. He seemed to lack enthusism for the rebuilding job, and just did not have the athleticism to play midfield at the top level. Such a deficiency would really be highlighted in a big game in Croke Park.

There is a few years left in Heaney no doubt. Is he only 30?

McDonald - depends on his back. Would like to see him give it one more shot. Could be a great influence on the youngs lads.

O'Neill - I think he'll call it a day. He had an indian summer that none of us expected. He has a good job with a lot of travel and is getting on.

Remember JOM was picking alternative XVs in the Western when Maughan was manager, well the predecessor is having a bit of a dig in this weeks Mayo Advertiser - referring to Mayo as "we" "us" etc. really bugs the Rossie lads!



I'd agree with all that but with Nallen and K O Neill I'd say they are totally done, especially Nallen no doubt he has provided us with good football over the years and we owe alot to him, but time to call it a day and get the new blood in. During the league if he plays a part on the bench so be it, but I'd like to see new lads been tried out in the league.

As for Maughan referring to 'we' and 'us' about Mayo it's funny cause I know loads of Rossies that have gone on about it many times and he's done that all through his career, ya hear him on radio commentary like that! :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on July 22, 2007, 08:11:27 AM
Heard very reliably nallen may be back for more, personally think he is wasting his time though.Reality has bitten and I think we will have little to say for a few years.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fishead_Sam on July 22, 2007, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 22, 2007, 08:11:27 AM
Heard very reliably nallen may be back for more, personally think he is wasting his time though.Reality has bitten and I think we will have little to say for a few years.

Step one is to get the Nestor Cup back to its rightfull place where the Sweet Plains of Mayo meet its Soft & Craggy Boglands, its Tall Magestic Hills.

We won't be a force for at least 2-3 years but step one is too try & get on top in Connacht & build from there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 22, 2007, 05:48:23 PM
From this morning's Tribune. Thin gruel again I'm afraid.





Spent Mayo face painful cycle of regrowth
Malachy Clerkin


As he stood with his arms folded by the side of the little press trailer in Celtic Park last Saturday night, it was tempting to wonder what Mickey Moran was making of the whole farrago that was being played out down in front of him. Knowing both sides as he did, would he have seen those final 24 minutes, in which Derry made a levelscore game into a 10-point win, coming? Would he have seen the six wides Mayo kicked in the 10 minutes before Colin Devlin's goal . . .

those high, wayward, missthe-netting-behind-the-goals wides . . . and thought to himself that there was every reason to suspect a Mayo collapse? Was he, above all, pondering to himself quite what a reception his name would have gotten at the next Mayo County Board meeting if it was him down on the sideline and not John O'Mahony? It's hard not to think he'd have been entitled.

To the outsider, the vitriol directed towards Moran and John Morrison in those dog days last October seemed small and petty even by the standards of your average collection of delegates in any part of the country. If memory serves, there was at least one sane voice in the wilderness who stood during the heated post All Ireland final county board meeting and asked, not unreasonably, if it was not the case that many in the room would have been more than happy at the start of the year of offered a league semi-final, a Connacht title and an All Ireland final appearance. He was alone, though. Alone and shouted down.

There'll hardly be any of that this year, but that probably has more do with John O'Mahony being one of their own rather than a general acceptance of another double-digit exit from the championship. Already, the talk is of transition and replenishment, with O'Mahony . . . in public at least . . . hoping that the usual candidates for retirement take some time with their decision. But no matter who stays and who goes, maybe the biggest change that should be wrought is a resetting of where the people of Mayo see their place in the general footballing scheme of things.

Because what this year and last year and the two before that have done is pretty much prove the sane voice at the county board meeting last October right. Of course, getting a toasting in an All Ireland final isn't fun, but it's not like at the start of the year with everybody in the county making sure to keep the third weekend in September free. The truth of it is that, far from being the louche under-achievers of lazy repute, two All Ireland finals in three years should be a feat to be proud of in Mayo.

If anything, these are overachievers.

Colm Coyle has a lot to answer for, of course. If he'd just kicked that last-minute Hail Mary in the 1996 drawn final a little harder so that it dropped into John Madden's hands instead of hopping over the bar, then Mayo folk would have their All Ireland.

Instead, there's a bereft feeling and instead of hailing the accomplishment of three more final appearances in the following decade . . . a record Kerry alone can beat . . . loud and long is the wailing and gnashing of teeth when it all unravels as it tends to do.

Those are some high standards for a county that can't exactly say it lays claim to hands-down the best playing talent of the past decade. A county without a proper fullback in all that time. Nor fullforward, for that matter. A county that has had to make do, at different times and for different reasons, without Ciaran McDonald and David Brady and Trevor Mortimer.

A county with only one dual All Star . . . James Nallen in the current squad. And yet, as Kevin McStay has pointed out in the past, the people of Mayo somehow made their side favourites going into the 1997 and 2004 All Ireland finals. But any bit of hindsight, if allied to honesty, will tell you there wasn't an All Ireland in that team.

There's been a lot of talk of a clear-out since last Saturday, with wild estimates of anything up to a dozen players either retiring or being retired. Indeed, O'Mahony made reference during the aftermath to programmes and structures that had been put in place since last October for players who weren't on the current panel in the hope that they'd be ready for next year. Everything smacked of a year that had been written off after the Galway game.

How else to explain that wholesale changes in personnel between a more than decent league campaign and the championship? The starting defence in the league final against Donegal read Liam O'Malley, James Kilcullen, Keith Higgins, Enda Devenney, Billy Joe Padden and Peadar Gardiner. Last Saturday, only O'Malley remained and even then he'd been moved to full-back.

"Derry are further on in their development curve than we are and that showed, " O'Mahony said last week.

He's been around too long and achieved too much at this stage for his words to be dismissed as the weasel excuses of a losing manager. So when he says that last year's beaten All Ireland finalists are further back than a team like Derry who will, at best, make an All Ireland semi-final, it has to be viewed as a sensible and honest appraisal of where Mayo find themselves.

"It's very obvious that the transitional period has started in Mayo football. That was always going to happen. I think it's a great time of opportunity in Mayo football for players to come forth and come into the squad. That doesn't mean that I want everybody else to retire or anything else."

Mayo did phenomenally well to make last year's All Ireland final. Ditto 2004.

O'Mahony knows that and knows as well how far there is to go if they're ever to get back to that point. Mickey Moran knew it too. For others, it might take a while to


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Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on August 08, 2007, 11:44:29 PM
Its all gone very quiet ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: billy the kid on August 09, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
yous dont exactly have alot to shout about do you??? bet you wish you had kept mickey moran now!!! at least he took the job for alove of football and give it his full attention not like the tube you had this year who took the job to get elected and spent half his time argueing with politicians, trying to look good on camera and campaigning for the Dail.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on August 09, 2007, 06:37:05 PM
Billy The Kid might i ask what team your alliagence lies with? After reading your nonsense i would be guessing Dublin.Hopefully come saturday evening YOUS wont have much to shout about either.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2007, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 09, 2007, 06:37:05 PM
Billy The Kid might i ask what team your alliagence lies with? After reading your nonsense i would be guessing Dublin.Hopefully come saturday evening YOUS wont have much to shout about either.

He's a Derry man! ;D
Title: the reason for mayo early championship exit
Post by: rosnarun on August 27, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
it was interferring with next years preparations
is this the earliest Pre season training ever?  or is o mahony just bored on his holidays?
Mayo preparations in train
10 August 2007


John O'Mahony's bid to resurrect Mayo football has already begun with personal training programmes being issued to the county players.

The squad met on Saturday last and certain players were given individual programmes to work on over the off season.

"What we are doing going forward is activating training programmes for individuals to go on," said O'Mahony.

"We are not meeting collectively but giving individuals work to do."

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 28, 2007, 08:04:39 AM
Ros I don't know whether this is the earliest return but it is the type of thing that must be done if we are to succeed.

A 3 year extensive training programme will be needed to have us competing at the top-level again. Efforts were made the last 2 years but it appears the players did not do what they were asked. There will be some real answers for JOM about who to keep, and who to lose when he sees who follows their programme.

One thing that I feel is a major problem for us is that the players just don't have the burning desire to go that extra step and without it we won't
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on August 28, 2007, 09:22:42 AM
In a nutshell, you are bang on.The players have got to really want to win it.I met some of them the night of the derry game and it was weird to see them laughing and joking after all the sweat and work went out the window earlier that day.I have seen junior players not drinking and training 4 times a week only to lose a game and be finished till next year, they were a lot more upset.D brady was one I know for sure made massive efforts to be ready but it passed him by on the day, we need more like him,really driven and macdonald was another really driven.I think it was clear who would die for glory in the final last year and who was just happy to be there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on August 28, 2007, 09:34:40 PM
Absolutely, the likes of Mc D, D Brady and Jimmy Nallen continue year after year going for the top prize and after all these years they are still trying to go for it and not getting there, I feel bad for them really, must be painful for them as I'm sure they are all well aware that they are not getting any younger and their days in football are narrowing down. Very sad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 29, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: Redgreenery on August 28, 2007, 09:34:40 PM
Absolutely, the likes of Mc D, D Brady and Jimmy Nallen continue year after year going for the top prize and after all these years they are still trying to go for it and not getting there, I feel bad for them really, must be painful for them as I'm sure they are all well aware that they are not getting any younger and their days in football are narrowing down. Very sad.

True redgreenery i don't think we will see any of these lads in the green and red again, time for the younger lads to step up to the plate
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: billy the kid on August 29, 2007, 08:28:10 PM
Mayo deserve to have won an all ireland from their exploits over the last 10 years but they havent.
i also think they will have to wait another while as the players dont seem to be there.
I feel for Brady, nallen ETC who have been giving everything with no return to speak of thus far.


PS. tell your manager to be a manager or a politician as the two dont mix firstly due to time restraints and secondly because of the very definition of the two.
Good Politician = someone who embraces democracy (trying to please the people)
Good Manager = a Dictatorship (one boss who has final word full stop) 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on August 29, 2007, 09:07:47 PM
ive been informed that jimmy nallen will be giving it another lash next year. to quote a man - "sure all he does is train and drink water". funny but inaccurate id say. if he wants another go he would be a great man to have as part of a panel.

however i think D Bradys game was/is confrontational by nature in contrast to Nallen and i would suggest you need to be a young man to keep that going.

If Big Mac wants another go - have at it.

i agree with billy the kid. i dont think johno can mix the two games. as babs keating said inter county management needs someone with plenty time on their hands. ideally a teacher or better still a retired one.
johno will find that michael ring will make more appearances at funerals then he will. he will be heard more on the radio and if johno manages to get re-elected in 4 years it will be to the detriment of mayo footbal.

Mayo deserve to have won an all ireland from their exploits over the last 10 years but they havent.
i must disagree with billy the kid. mayo dont deserve to have won an all-ireland in the last 10 years. the most deserving team always wins the game. justice doesnt come into it.

96 - 6 points up. game over. mayo failed to close out the game. ball hopping over the bar - bad goalkeeping/defending.
97 - too cocky. beat kerry the year before, thought the same would happen again.
04/06 - hammered by what we now know to be a great kerry team (some of them played in 97 too).

that was all a bit scattered!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 30, 2007, 08:04:28 AM
The worst thing we ever did was beat Kerry in 1996. They'll never forgive us for that.

As for JOM the best thing he can do as a politician is bring Sam to Mayo. He never need worry about being re-elected if he did that.

James Nallen has been the best player I have ever seen play for Mayo. A gentleman and a legend but sadly time has caught up. He may add something to a panel but the legs are clearly gone and I feel that he should retire.

Brady showed a very poor attitude in Derry. Time has probably passed him by as well. I think we need somebody with more pace around the middle. Personally I always have felt that he was an average footballer but somebody we needed because of lack of physical presence around the middle. His commitment can never be doubted. Its just an opinion Stephenite!

I think if McD is fully fit there is another year in him but we'll just have to see on that one until next March/April I suppose.

Anybody standing out in the club games?

If we start with this years panel - I've crossed out those who I think are not good enough, green for those who have questions to answer but will probably remain on the panel. And I'm sure I've missed some.

Clarke
O'Malley

Cunniffe
L O'Malley  
Howley
Heaney
D Kilcullen
A Higgins
K Higgins
P Gardiner
J Kilcullen
J Nallen

McGarrity
D Brady

Harte
Dillon
Hanley
Campbell
Kilcoyne
T Mortimer
C Mortimer
Barry Moran
Andy Moran
BJP  
Marty Mc
Ciaran Mc

Suggestions to add to the panel - Ger Cafferkey, Tom Parsons, Chris Barrett. But there needs to be more.

In reality we are a million miles away from the standard in Croker last Sunday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on August 30, 2007, 08:55:59 AM
Barney, I believe james nallen will be back unless they do not want him.I agree with you that we are a million miles away from kerry now.They will begin to weaken too though, just like galway,meath and the rest that were once thought invincible.Only time will tell if we have replacements for brady and nallen.Macdonald will not likely be back from what i hear though he is still ok for another few years with the way he is built and keeps himself.If young hanley were to stick around you would imagine there is the makings of a serious player in him,and you could see Mayo coming strong sooner than later.Remember we are in a very poor province with only galway to beat most of the time and that puts us into a quarterfinal.Awin there and you are back in the bigtime very easily,maybe too easily and that has been our problem.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 30, 2007, 09:00:48 AM
Mannix, Hanley is a goner for at least 2 years. We have to face facts. On potential alone he looks like being the difference between Sam and no Sam.

Any opinions on Keith Higgins for number 6, and Kilcoyne as permanent free-taker?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 30, 2007, 09:37:40 AM
Quote from: Barney on August 30, 2007, 09:00:48 AM
Any opinions on Keith Higgins for number 6, and Kilcoyne as permanent free-taker?

I saw Keith Higgins play at number 6 against us and I was not that impressed. He has a good running game so wing back would suit him much better. He got caught out of position a few times and didnt stop attacks or put in any hits. To be honest the referee was protecting him and he won numerous very soft frees around the middle simply by running into a (light) tackle and going down. Our forwards played bad on the day and he still didnt really stand out.

Definitely not the answer for the county at no 6
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on August 30, 2007, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Barney on August 30, 2007, 09:00:48 AM
Any opinions on Keith Higgins for number 6, and Kilcoyne as permanent free-taker?

Are you well no way...The man is way to small and light and would get killed, we had nallen at 6 for 10 years and he never got booked!! Thats mayos problem to soft, look at the top teams they have tough men at 6 who are not afraid to hit.

Kerry - Moynihan in his prime, now O'Mahony
Armagh - Geezer
Tyrone - Conor Gormely
Cork - Spillane
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 30, 2007, 12:53:20 PM
QuoteIn reality we are a million miles away from the standard in Croker last Sunday.
no we are 12 months away from playing at that standard, have you forgotten already . Mayo v dublin last year was of at least a high a standard as last sunday.
things are not that bad that a manger who is concentated on cound not improve immessurably. maybe johno will take it seriously now and i hope he is closely watching all the county championship as there is huge talent out there some of it from outside the 'system' or that have fallen away and need to be reappraised . and its definetly time for some players to be allowed to piss or be taken off the pot.
we are still largely dealing with maughans hand johnno needs to go and find his own team and look after them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo51 on August 30, 2007, 10:43:53 PM
anybody know anything about anthony mulligan who plays full forward for charlestown.i have not seen him play but acccording to reports he has been playing very good this year.just wondering does anybody think that he has county potential as we badly need a big full forward .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Redgreenery on August 30, 2007, 10:53:31 PM
If Nallen is to decide to give it another year, to be honest I cant see him featurig much on the team, would expect him to be on the bench and he might get a run out towards the end of a game if anything, legs are gone on him, sad to say but its true. D Brady brings a physical presence to the team, he might not be a regular starter anymore (even though I wouldnt be surprised if he was) but he could be useful in particular games to just mark a key player on the opposition team (e.g K Donaghy), that is, if he has the pace.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on August 30, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
A good friend of mine is on the Ballina stephenites senior panel and he has told me D Brady will definitley not be back with Mayo next season.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 31, 2007, 08:06:57 AM
The notion of Brady as a man-marker is rubbish - he got away with fouling Donaghy throughout the AI Final last year because we were dead and buried. His basic football skills are lacking.

Surely JOM can see that Nallen's legs are gone?

Also believe we need to deploy Barry Moran at midfield. We will never be able to play a game with a target man because most of our players cannot actually kick the ball accurately, if at all. Our principal asset is pace and that is what we need to use.

So the list of potentials so far:

Cafferkey
Parsons
Barrett
Mulligan

We'll need more than that if its not going to be another short Summer. Keep adding to the list. If you were manager who would you ask to trials, give a shot to?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MrB on August 31, 2007, 08:44:16 AM
Quote from: Barney on August 31, 2007, 08:06:57 AM


So the list of potentials so far:

Cafferkey
Parsons
Barrett
Mulligan

We'll need more than that if its not going to be another short Summer. Keep adding to the list. If you were manager who would you ask to trials, give a shot to?


From South Mayo I think you have to look at Ronan McNamara (Davitts), Enda Varley (Garrymore) and Mark Ronaldson (Shrule). In my opinion McNamara is the best midfielder in the county and is also a good free taker from distance. Varley and Ronaldson are very similar players, but one of them ishould be good enough.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 31, 2007, 08:47:38 AM
Sadly Ronnie is too small.

Is Varley a smaill man?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on August 31, 2007, 09:05:56 AM
He is unfortunately, yet another pacy, classy but small Mayo forward. Doubt he would have a major impact.
I think Barry Kelly from Ballagh has to be worth a look. The lad oozes class and is a big man, all he needs is to bulk up a little more, but he would definitely bring something different to the set up.
Tony Mulligan who has already been mentioned is definitely worth a look, doing really well at FF and has plenty of football in him, that would allow us to put Barry Moran back to Midfield where he might be needed more.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 31, 2007, 12:37:07 PM
Regarding the no 6 position, why not give Howley the jersey and see how he copes. If he struggles with it, give it to Heaney and leave Howley in the wing back position.

Agree with Barney re Nallen. He isn't up to standard for inter-county anymore. And as for Kilcoyne as permanent freetaker, it's hard to know. He can kick some awful wides as well as the good ones he puts over. Haven't seen Charlestown play this year but I believe Mulligan played and caused Crossmolina trouble the last day. Give him a go anyway is what I say.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on August 31, 2007, 01:23:50 PM
I would have thought Howley has the makings of a top class corner back, I don't think he's nearly big enough to play Centre back at inter-county level though
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on August 31, 2007, 03:41:08 PM
I would like to see Howley at wing back and let Higgins and O Malley man the corner back positions.Regarding the no 6 jersey i think Heaney is the man for this position as we have a number of options at midfield and i would hate to see Heaney at fb again.We are in desperate need of a fb and i for one would like to see Ger Cafferky given a shot.Has any fb stood out during the club championship dat could be given a chance?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on August 31, 2007, 04:14:57 PM


QuoteAlso believe we need to deploy Barry Moran at midfield

You wouldn't put him near the county side on his performance in the U21 Championship semi-final during the week. Was cleaned at midfield against Burrioshoole. Castlebar won but Moran was bullied out of the game by young McManamon over the 60 minutes. Tom Cunniffe looked immense at times playing center half back and will be one for the future. 


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 31, 2007, 07:17:29 PM
Liam O'Malley is not good enough for the corner. Maybe worth a shot on the wing but has always been exposed defensively
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 31, 2007, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 31, 2007, 03:41:08 PM
I would like to see Howley at wing back and let Higgins and O Malley man the corner back positions.Regarding the no 6 jersey i think Heaney is the man for this position as we have a number of options at midfield and i would hate to see Heaney at fb again.We are in desperate need of a fb and i for one would like to see Ger Cafferky given a shot.Has any fb stood out during the club championship dat could be given a chance?

I keep saying to people who know me that if John Brogan was a few inches taller, our no 3 position would be solved. He's outstanding for Knockmore but lacking the height for an inter-county fullback.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo51 on August 31, 2007, 11:23:21 PM
i rememberr brogan as a minor and was very impressed with him.always thought he would have made ithe county team but for some reason it never happened for him.also m.j menaghan from tourmac . was the other corner back on the mayo minors and again i thought he would have been a county player but he never made the grade either.i would like to see howley  to be given a chance at c.h.b .even tho he lacks the height he is pretty robust and takes no prisoners and i think his pace may be a bit suspect for corner back
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2007, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on August 31, 2007, 01:23:50 PM
I would have thought Howley has the makings of a top class corner back, I don't think he's nearly big enough to play Centre back at inter-county level though

Howley, IMO, is not a corner back, hes not a man marker but he is the best reader of a ball since peter butler in knockmore, and i'd love to see him at CHB,its defo his best position by far
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 05, 2007, 08:23:28 AM
Any news on Pearse Hanley. Is the decision made?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 05, 2007, 08:56:18 AM
I presume he is going, but haven't heard anything definite.
He said he'd love to win a county title with Ballagh before he goes (which suggests he is planning to go).
But what happens if Ballagh do go on and win the county title? Will he ask the Aussies to let him stick around for another while to help Ballagh in the Connacht championship?
Or will he just have to bite the bullet and leave the chance of a Connacht medal and possible All-Ireland behind?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 07, 2007, 11:18:58 AM
big piece on sean malee in the mayo news this week . he looked very promising a few years back when he cam back from the US  . is he made of the right stuff?
any cuilchies on board?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 07, 2007, 02:05:27 PM
Too small. Next
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo51 on September 09, 2007, 03:28:09 PM
mallee scored 4 points today and was m.o.m. in win v swinford
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on September 09, 2007, 03:36:55 PM
Still too small, big difference between that and inter county
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on September 09, 2007, 04:13:26 PM
agree does not have a lot to offer at county level.  never liked the way he tackled foot first.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 09, 2007, 04:46:15 PM
Mayo Intermediate Football v Intercounty team fulcrum.

We've enough midgets. If we need a fulcrum for a team at number 11 we must look elsewhere. If we need a small nippy corner forward we have one.

The local press in any county can create superstars very easily.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on September 09, 2007, 10:08:43 PM
Malee was always an impressive soccer player, but very small for county football, will be interesting to see how he does in the senior championship nex year. Deserves a chacne given his form this year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2007, 10:18:43 AM
Any of ye going to the ladies final?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 13, 2007, 07:58:31 AM
Ah seriously farandeelin give us some credit!

Seriously though how do ye feel about the ladies. Of course they are going great guns, but i'd get the same satisfaction from their wins as I would from an FBD win for the lads.

What about John Brogan for the county panel? Good reports from a lot of sources.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2007, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: Barney on September 13, 2007, 07:58:31 AM
Ah seriously farandeelin give us some credit!

Seriously though how do ye feel about the ladies. Of course they are going great guns, but i'd get the same satisfaction from their wins as I would from an FBD win for the lads.

What about John Brogan for the county panel? Good reports from a lot of sources.

I was at the last final win in 03. Despite the fact we won an All-Ireland title, it didn't feel like it at all. As you say an FBD win would feel the same probably at this stage. Don't plan to go myself but I do expect them to win.

John Brogan is a great full back. The problem is that he is a bit too small if a big full forward like Donaghy was put on him. Despite that fact he handled the Charlestown full forward (who is big enough) the last day quite well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on September 13, 2007, 01:08:32 PM
I reckon jom and co should stick any 14 year that can play football into a bucket of 10 10 20 for a year or 2.This brogan lad you talk about, how tall and what weight would he be?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 13, 2007, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: mannix on September 13, 2007, 01:08:32 PM
I reckon jom and co should stick any 14 year that can play football into a bucket of 10 10 20 for a year or 2.This brogan lad you talk about, how tall and what weight would he be?

:D :D :D   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 13, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
JOM is on with Des Cahill tonight talking Mayo and the AI
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 13, 2007, 03:03:51 PM
can't seee him talking too much about mayo barney
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on September 13, 2007, 06:21:19 PM
Any word on if mac,nallen or gardiner will be back next year?Mac should try until he is too old.Kerry cannot continue and mayo should be ready to go again next year.David brady is another that should, 2 goals at the weekend when put to the ff spot, was not working in midfield and is a viable option at ff for mayo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 14, 2007, 07:54:13 AM
Mannix I think anyone that saw Brady in Celtic Park will know his goose is cooked. He has never scored a championship goal for Mayo and is not going to start now. Anyway from what I hear he is definitely a goner.

Apparently James Nallen is going to stay on. I've said before what a great servant he was but time has caught up sadly.

Don't expect to see the Captain back.

We have to move away from these lads. They were great players and great servants but no point in asking them to plug holes in the team. Its time for the young lads to stand up and take responsibility. Are they hungry enough? Are they good enough? Those are the big questions for me. Some experience is required and David Heaney will hopefully give it another year or two. McDonald may be the exception to the age rule. If injury allows him to play he will be good enough but remember it will be 4 years since his best ever year for Mayo.

Don't think Gardiner should be back but expect he will be.

I know we have no definite answer but I assume Hanley is definitely going.

Now that the lads are back training anyone hear of any interesting additions to the pool? I'm sure it will be after the club championship before there is any great news.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 14, 2007, 03:01:09 PM
every one is saying we should get a new team but yet any player that is mention seems to be shot down sharish not to mention the poster talking about brogan asked what height and weight he was before he asked could he kick a ball.
We seem like a county who Keiran Donaghy has given a major small man complex to . except our players ,garrymore apart, arnt as ratty as those normally afflicted with the syndrome.
my view is for the last 20 years mayo have been developing small skilfull player to play quick open football(or in feenys words, ' the wrong type of player !!') the likes of any moran p gardiner,alan dillon,K higgins, ect  , but the point is that what our top players are now and your going to pick inferior players to change what has been a hugely sucessfull route just short of an AIF win.
do we really want to throw ot the baby with the bathwater,
this year our failing had more to do with an incompetent distracted manager than a lack of inches 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on September 15, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
Quotethis year our failing had more to do with an incompetent distracted manager

I agree with Rosnarun, JOM was also to blame for our failings in 2004 & 2006.............Off with his head!!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2007, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 15, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
Why do ye have two threads?

Cos we're class. ;) Ah no, one is for the discussion about the county panel and prospective panelists etc. The other is about club games in the county.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 18, 2007, 11:15:15 AM
Sean Feeney has been ratified for another two years. It's now a part-time paid position, but he won't be staying beyond these two years.
McHale Park development is due to get underway fairly soon as well

Taken from The Mayo News:
Quote
MAYO GAA Board Secretary Seán Feeney was unanimously ratified for a further two years in his position last night, taking him up until the end of 2009. The increase in Feeney's term will also see a change in his role from a voluntary official to that of a part-time paid position.
Feeney, together with County Board chairman, James Waldron, told Monday night's County Board delegates meeting that they felt it best for Feeney to continue in his position while redevelopment work on McHale Park was set to begin.
Feeney was keen to stress that while he would be remunerated, he would prefer if he could continue in a voluntary capacity. "Because I have already served over five years, if I am to continue it has to be in a paid capacity," he told The Mayo News.
"For me payment is a secondary reason for remaining on. We are in the middle of a big infrastructural project at McHale Park and it wouldn't be practical to pass all the responsibility to someone at this stage. But it won't be any longer than two years. I definitely will be calling it a day at the end of 2009 and someone else will be taking over."
The proposal to extend his term received unanimous backing and is now only subject to ratification by Croke Park.
Regarding the re-development of McHale Park, James Waldron told the meeting that he expects the contract to go to tender before the end of October. He also added that as Mayo have home championship matches next year, they did not want to be in the middle of renovation work for those games.
"What we intend to do is carry out as much of the work on the new stand off-site and then commence work on-site in July or so. We are looking at having it ready by the following May (2009)," explained Waldron.
County Board Treasurer JP Lambe told the meeting that gate receipts for club championship games are on course to at least match last year's tally. To date, €148,540 has been taken in, in advance of county finals.
County Board Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas said that, due to the FBD Final in New York between Sligo IT and New York, the final round of county league games were now back to the weekend of October 21.
It was also announced that the 2008 Convention would take place in the Broadhaven Bay Hotel in Belmullet on December 10 next. The 2008 Comortás Peil na Gaeltachta Maigh Éo will be hosted by CLG Acaill, the meeting was told.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on September 18, 2007, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 18, 2007, 11:15:15 AM
Sean Feeney has been ratified for another two years. It's now a part-time paid position, but he won't be staying beyond these two years.
McHale Park development is due to get underway fairly soon as well

Taken from The Mayo News:
Quote
MAYO GAA Board Secretary Seán Feeney was unanimously ratified for a further two years in his position last night, taking him up until the end of 2009. The increase in Feeney's term will also see a change in his role from a voluntary official to that of a part-time paid position.
Feeney, together with County Board chairman, James Waldron, told Monday night's County Board delegates meeting that they felt it best for Feeney to continue in his position while redevelopment work on McHale Park was set to begin.
Feeney was keen to stress that while he would be remunerated, he would prefer if he could continue in a voluntary capacity. "Because I have already served over five years, if I am to continue it has to be in a paid capacity," he told The Mayo News.
"For me payment is a secondary reason for remaining on. We are in the middle of a big infrastructural project at McHale Park and it wouldn't be practical to pass all the responsibility to someone at this stage. But it won't be any longer than two years. I definitely will be calling it a day at the end of 2009 and someone else will be taking over."
The proposal to extend his term received unanimous backing and is now only subject to ratification by Croke Park.
Regarding the re-development of McHale Park, James Waldron told the meeting that he expects the contract to go to tender before the end of October. He also added that as Mayo have home championship matches next year, they did not want to be in the middle of renovation work for those games.
"What we intend to do is carry out as much of the work on the new stand off-site and then commence work on-site in July or so. We are looking at having it ready by the following May (2009)," explained Waldron.
County Board Treasurer JP Lambe told the meeting that gate receipts for club championship games are on course to at least match last year's tally. To date, €148,540 has been taken in, in advance of county finals.
County Board Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas said that, due to the FBD Final in New York between Sligo IT and New York, the final round of county league games were now back to the weekend of October 21.
It was also announced that the 2008 Convention would take place in the Broadhaven Bay Hotel in Belmullet on December 10 next. The 2008 Comortás Peil na Gaeltachta Maigh Éo will be hosted by CLG Acaill, the meeting was told.

"Part time paid official"  Oh Really! ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 18, 2007, 04:41:00 PM
Mc danger you really need to reexamine your definition of failure .
Failure in GAA terms is being laughed out the gate by a very poor galway side in the first round of the connaught championship and then being humiliated in celtic park by a one man derry outfit.
failure is not getting to allireland finals and losing them that is just a disappoining end to a great year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 18, 2007, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 18, 2007, 11:15:15 AM
Sean Feeney has been ratified for another two years. It's now a part-time paid position, but he won't be staying beyond these two years.
McHale Park development is due to get underway fairly soon as well

Taken from The Mayo News:
Quote
MAYO GAA Board Secretary Seán Feeney was unanimously ratified for a further two years in his position last night, taking him up until the end of 2009. The increase in Feeney's term will also see a change in his role from a voluntary official to that of a part-time paid position.
Feeney, together with County Board chairman, James Waldron, told Monday night's County Board delegates meeting that they felt it best for Feeney to continue in his position while redevelopment work on McHale Park was set to begin.
Feeney was keen to stress that while he would be remunerated, he would prefer if he could continue in a voluntary capacity. "Because I have already served over five years, if I am to continue it has to be in a paid capacity," he told The Mayo News.
"For me payment is a secondary reason for remaining on. We are in the middle of a big infrastructural project at McHale Park and it wouldn't be practical to pass all the responsibility to someone at this stage. But it won't be any longer than two years. I definitely will be calling it a day at the end of 2009 and someone else will be taking over."
The proposal to extend his term received unanimous backing and is now only subject to ratification by Croke Park.
Regarding the re-development of McHale Park, James Waldron told the meeting that he expects the contract to go to tender before the end of October. He also added that as Mayo have home championship matches next year, they did not want to be in the middle of renovation work for those games.
"What we intend to do is carry out as much of the work on the new stand off-site and then commence work on-site in July or so. We are looking at having it ready by the following May (2009)," explained Waldron.
County Board Treasurer JP Lambe told the meeting that gate receipts for club championship games are on course to at least match last year's tally. To date, €148,540 has been taken in, in advance of county finals.
County Board Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas said that, due to the FBD Final in New York between Sligo IT and New York, the final round of county league games were now back to the weekend of October 21.
It was also announced that the 2008 Convention would take place in the Broadhaven Bay Hotel in Belmullet on December 10 next. The 2008 Comortás Peil na Gaeltachta Maigh Éo will be hosted by CLG Acaill, the meeting was told.

Such absolute humbug. not only is he being forced to stay on but the are legally obliged to shove money in his pocket to do so.
this guy will give Putin bad ideas . he has been a millstone around the mayo football teams neck for the last 4 years what ever about his organizational skills and probably cost mayo it 2 best managers in the last 50 years not to mention the destruction of the hurling team with his constant sniping and penny pinching and slitoar counting and now we have to pay for the privilage. Has this been the plan the whole time to build a county board white elephant as a tribute to themselves at the expense of mayo football .

BTW now he professional all comment is fair game . not like the rest of the hard working volunteers,fair play to them
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on September 18, 2007, 10:31:13 PM


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Such absolute humbug. not only is he being forced to stay on but the are legally obliged to shove money in his pocket to do so.
this guy will give Putin bad ideas . he has been a millstone around the mayo football teams neck for the last 4 years what ever about his organizational skills and probably cost mayo it 2 best managers in the last 50 years not to mention the destruction of the hurling team with his constant sniping and penny pinching and slitoar counting and now we have to pay for the privilage. Has this been the plan the whole time to build a county board white elephant as a tribute to themselves at the expense of mayo football .

BTW now he professional all comment is fair game . not like the rest of the hard working volunteers,fair play to them

[/quote]

The AMATEUR ethos at its best!

I smell Socialism and Communism in the air.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 19, 2007, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2007, 10:31:13 PM



Such absolute humbug. not only is he being forced to stay on but the are legally obliged to shove money in his pocket to do so.
this guy will give Putin bad ideas . he has been a millstone around the mayo football teams neck for the last 4 years what ever about his organizational skills and probably cost mayo it 2 best managers in the last 50 years not to mention the destruction of the hurling team with his constant sniping and penny pinching and slitoar counting and now we have to pay for the privilage. Has this been the plan the whole time to build a county board white elephant as a tribute to themselves at the expense of mayo football .

BTW now he professional all comment is fair game . not like the rest of the hard working volunteers,fair play to them

[/quote]

The AMATEUR ethos at its best!

I smell Socialism and Communism in the air.

[/quote]

do you really think hes going to be better now hes officially leeching off Mayo gaa?
BTW it very hard to take lessons in amatuerism from some one unanle to use Quotes  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2007, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 19, 2007, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2007, 10:31:13 PM



Such absolute humbug. not only is he being forced to stay on but the are legally obliged to shove money in his pocket to do so.
this guy will give Putin bad ideas . he has been a millstone around the mayo football teams neck for the last 4 years what ever about his organizational skills and probably cost mayo it 2 best managers in the last 50 years not to mention the destruction of the hurling team with his constant sniping and penny pinching and slitoar counting and now we have to pay for the privilage. Has this been the plan the whole time to build a county board white elephant as a tribute to themselves at the expense of mayo football .

BTW now he professional all comment is fair game . not like the rest of the hard working volunteers,fair play to them


The AMATEUR ethos at its best!

I smell Socialism and Communism in the air.

[/quote]

do you really think hes going to be better now hes officially leeching off Mayo gaa?
BTW it very hard to take lessons in amatuerism from some one unanle to use Quotes  :P
[/quote]

Are you suggesting yourself there ros, or From the Bunker? ;) Hopefully this quote will actually work for me!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 19, 2007, 04:13:39 PM
 :-[
pride before a fall .
smart arsery is just doesn't suit me.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on September 20, 2007, 09:59:13 AM
how can he be ratified if the agm is not taking place till december
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 20, 2007, 06:40:00 PM
Skewed democracy
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 21, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
maybe because its an emplotment rarher than a ratificationn decision that it can be done at any time. though would feeney not have been on the board that made decision.
and while were on the point what was the criteria used to appoint this employee. was it advertised . were there any other candiates interviewd/considered. how much is he being paid . how many hours wiil he work. what exactly will his duties be.
thes guys should remebr they hold these post on trust for mayo GAA not as a mutual appreciation society.
they need to be kept a close eye on as some of them have a very checkered history in business though most are exemplry character whoigive their all to the GAA but Counter checks are important in all Assoccations
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 21, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
Whats the problem with this Feeney fella? Does he interfere with team selections training etc...? ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on September 24, 2007, 10:20:19 AM
the high point was when he told the hurlers they were training too many times a week and using too many hurling balls and hurleys and then went and sacked the hurling manager who was the most successful we had in years(frank Brown manager of the mayo ladies )and the only thing he did wrong was to stand up to them

The football lads will I'm sure have their own horror stories
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 24, 2007, 12:27:49 PM
there was also the time he tried to involve Mayo Gaa in an anti Traveller march which in the end had to be called off as it was rightly being described as racist.
Also he undermined Maughan when things were going very well by saying we were playing the wrong typr of football and producing the wrong type of play and tried to organize a coaching scheme to play kcik and rush football which he declared to be mayo traditional style. He doesnt even seem to have carried thogh with that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2007, 09:03:44 PM
I was saddened to hear of Eamon Mongey's death yesterday. RIP.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 27, 2007, 07:52:49 AM
Yes, Eamon Mongey by all accounts was a great leader and wonderful midfielder who always supported the green and red whatever way possible once he hung up hit boots. RIP.

Any word on Pierse Hanley?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: intoDwest on September 27, 2007, 10:07:32 AM
When does the panel go back training or has it already?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on September 27, 2007, 10:19:41 AM
I think they went back 2/3 weeks ago but have had training programmes since August.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on September 27, 2007, 02:50:10 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 27, 2007, 10:19:41 AM
I think they went back 2/3 weeks ago but have had training programmes since August.

I dont think all the players are back yet Barney because a lot of them have club commitments.
I think he bought a few of the younger lads back earlier than the rest.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: spectator on September 27, 2007, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2007, 09:03:44 PM
I was saddened to hear of Eamon Mongey's death yesterday. RIP.


RIP

As a young lad, my own late uncle often told me of Eammon's long low deliveries downfield, with the ball travelling rapidly at a height of perhaps two or three feet above the ground, hardly seeming to rise or fall as it sped on its way towards a teammate.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 04, 2007, 07:02:24 PM
Just to let everyone know that the Mayo Hurling Final is on this weekend.

Ballyhaunis v James Stephens (Ballina) There might be a double celebration in Ballina on Sunday night, but I can't see it as Ballyhaunis are supposed to be very good and they are going for 4 in a row.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on October 08, 2007, 09:08:54 AM
Any word on call-ups to the county panel?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: guy crouchback on October 08, 2007, 09:49:16 AM
Congratulations to Ballina Senior Hurling team who won the county title on Saturday evening  to complete an amazing club double. in a tight game Ballina overcame Ballyhanuis by a point with a man of the match performance by their Goal Keeper T. Duffy who not only made some great saves but also scored 3 long range points that Davy Fitz would have been proud of.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 08, 2007, 10:15:12 AM
Great news for the hurlers
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on October 08, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
how can it be a club double when the hurling team is called james stephens and the football cub us ballina stephenites.

well done to ballina
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: wobbller on October 08, 2007, 04:33:28 PM
 Kevin Lynchs in hurling and Dungiven in football.What does it matter? It's a double and something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 08, 2007, 05:53:03 PM
Just want to add my congrats to Ballina on doing the double. I'd say if anyone had a bet on that the person would be in a happy mood this morning!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on October 08, 2007, 06:01:46 PM
Well done ballina on the hurling.Crossmolina started out as a hurling club from what i gather so it must be said that at one stage hurling was popular in north mayo.Tooreen must be gutted,ballyhaunis the same with a north mayo team beating them, especially a football club with a hurling division.

Any word on senior football panel or are they not training yet?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 08, 2007, 10:03:23 PM
Fair play to the hurling lads, delighted, one of the few times i'd ever be supporting ballina, even though it is a more ballina and surrounding parishes effort  ;D

They should have beaten ballyhaunis last year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 08, 2007, 11:40:55 PM
Who won the league game between Ballina and Knockmore?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2007, 11:40:55 PM
Who won the league game between Ballina and Knockmore?

Ballina 1-11 Knockmore 1-15

www.mayogaa.com
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:36:22 AM
also

Moy Davitts 0-14 Ballintuber 0-11
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:44:28 AM
The league tables for 1A and 1B looking interesting at the bottom,Kiltane, Claremorris Castlebar Shrule even ballina all look in trouble
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 09, 2007, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:36:22 AM
also

Moy Davitts 0-14 Ballintuber 0-11

Are you Davitts or Moy Davitts

Davitt Man?

Where did you get the screenshot of the tables? Mayogaa.com?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:48:30 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 09, 2007, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:36:22 AM
also

Moy Davitts 0-14 Ballintuber 0-11

Are you Davitts or Moy Davitts

DavittMan?

Im a Moy Davitts man, im sure you werent too worried about the result saturday evening, id say ye had a good week of it, i didnt get to the game as i was working. Did you venture down to it, any comments on it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 09, 2007, 09:02:59 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 08:48:30 AM
Im a Moy Davitts man, im sure you werent too worried about the result saturday evening, id say ye had a good week of it, i didnt get to the game as i was working. Did you venture down to it, any comments on it.

I did head down to this one. We were missing 6 players from the starting lineup in the intermediate final last week, through injury's and lads being unavailable. Moy Davitts started very well and it took us a while to settle.

Your number 8 really stood out. He had a wonderful game and kicked at least 4 points from play with his left peg. Is there a molloy guy too with grey hair? He cause awful trouble in the first half. 

I think at half time we were losing by five points. Two of our defenders were taken off cause they had the flu. We seemed to pick up the tempo in the 2nd half and brought the game back into reach. Dillon was unlucky not to score a peno in the last minute to level the game. It was a good second half performance by ourselves but ye had done enough in the first half to put us away.

I think the game was important for us too because im not sure are we totally safe yet. But someone said you guys needed to hammer us by 12 or 14 to be in with a shout to top the table?



Oh and yes, we had a good week of it!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 09:25:07 AM
I heard we were 5 up alrite at half time and ye came back into it well in the 2nd half, we were missing 6 first team lads (including meself, i had to work in dublin) so it was a chance for some of our younger lads to get an introduction to senior football. Our number 8 on his day is a class act James Mulderrig he is u-21 i dunno how he didnt make the u-21 panel this year considering some of the lads that did make it. Our mdifield was young the last day, 21 & 19. The grey haired lad you ask of is Jimmy Byrne, he is great to carry a ball on the run very dangerous. Kiltane are gone i reckon and then maybe Lousiburgh, ye have a final game against davitts dont ye and they have nothing to play for as they are safe.

How many go down??

Only the top team go through to the league final so even of we beat Cross they have a massive scoring difference +40 so we even before saturdays game there was no chance we are going to catch them. We would have needed to hammer ye and then hammer Cross!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: intoDwest on October 09, 2007, 10:04:07 AM
Ye can pencil Kiltane in for the drop...............................the arse has fallen out of it. Lads heading to Oz etc. Mind you its not over until the fat lady.........................................
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 10:45:39 AM
Last round of league games
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on October 09, 2007, 11:04:07 AM
hey davitt man! im back from france. great spot to be during the world cup but the liver wont recover til next march!! im told michael mc made a great save for dillons penalty at the weekend.

would i be right in saying that the juniors have no more games left this year? judging by the league table it seems we've gotta wait for achill to lose??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 09, 2007, 11:23:21 AM
At least your back in one piece from france even if your liver isnt in one piece.

The juniors have finished there season, the league is Achills to lose, we need lahardane to beat achill to have a chance
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 09, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
just read on the western the galway legend Pete Finnerty is to take over the mayo hurling managers job
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on October 09, 2007, 02:50:02 PM
At last we will be able for the cats.I think he will help but ultimately its down to kids picking up a hurl and playing.Pete will be good for Mayo hurling but he has a tiny pool to pick from unless we get a few imports from galway or further afield we will be in the lower ranks for a while yet.
Still lots of young lads in national school are using the old hurls and some are bound to be handy.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 10, 2007, 02:44:54 PM
Some Mayo Inter County Club Fixtures...


Connacht Club Intermediate Football Championship Sunday October 14th at 2.00

Ballintubber V Drumreilly (Leitrim) Ref : D. Mullaney in Castlebar



Connacht Club Senior Football Championship Sunday November 11th Time tbc

Ballina Stephenites Vs St. Mary's (Leitrim) or Tourlestrane (Sligo).

This game is fixed for November 11th. Venue and Ref. tbc.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 11, 2007, 11:19:55 AM
The League

Does anyone know how it is working? How many teams go down?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 11, 2007, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 11, 2007, 11:19:55 AM
The League

Does anyone know how it is working? How many teams go down?

I went all the way back to last January on this thread and pulled this quoted article from the Mayo News:

Quote from: Tubberman on January 16, 2007, 10:18:20 AM

Proposal for Mayo Leagues 
Tuesday, 16 January 2007 
Proposal for Mayo Leagues

MIKE FINNERTY

MAYO GAA delegates will be asked to ratify a proposal next Tuesday night that sees the 2007 club football leagues divided into six distinctive groups, all based on league form last year.
Mayo GAA Secretary, Sean Feeney, sent an e-mail to every club in the county on Monday night outlining the proposals for the forthcoming leagues, based on recommendations made at the last County Board meeting and submissions submitted by clubs and individuals.
Under this proposal, two teams would be relegated from divisions 1A and 1B at the end of next season with two coming up from divisions 2A and 2B. The same would apply to divisions 2 and 3. There would be a final in each division, all county players would be available for all league games and the leagues would commence on St Patrick's weekend.

The proposal also suggests that the Kelly Cup, O'Mara Cup, Centenary Cup and North Mayo Cup would be run in May, June and July on a divisional basis with and without county players. The divisional winners would compete in county semi-finals and a final. Senior and Intermediate teams must take part and junior participation would be optional.

The proposal that will be put before the club delegates would see divisions 1A and 1B being made up of ten teams.
Division 1A: Crossmolina, Kiltane, Moy Davitts, Belmullet, Westport, Ballinrobe, Tourmakeady, Davitts, Ballintubber and Louisburgh.
Division 1B: Shrule/Glencorrib, Ballina, Claremorris, Castlebar, Charlestown, Breaffy, Ballaghadereen, Burrishoole, Knockmore, Kilmeena
Division 2A: Garrymore, Cill Chomain, Swinford, Bonniconlon, Aghamore, Carramore, Balla, The Neale, Ballina B, Eastern Gaels.
Division 2B: Kiltimagh, Hollymount, Killala, Parke, Kilmaine, Mayo Gaels, Ballyhaunis, Islandeady, Moygownagh, Crossmolina B.
Division 3A: Castlebar B, Knockmore B, Ardnaree, Swinford B, Lacken, Ballintubber B, Claremorris B, Ballaghadereen B, Kilmovee.
Division 3B: Kilfian, Lahardane, Ballycastle, Westport B, Achill, Ardagh, Breaffy B, Ballinrobe B, Ballycroy, Na hÓileain.



So it also looks possible that their could be more games between the winners of North, South, East and West respective cups. Im not sure would clubs be in favour of this unless there was a holiday out of it or something. I heard that might be the case.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on October 11, 2007, 02:49:48 PM
so does that mean that 2 of bohola moy davits B, lahardane or achill will be promoted out of division 3B??

i know its the lower echolons of mayo football but i have a vested interest!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 11, 2007, 03:41:10 PM
Well reading that piece from the mayo news it seems that 2 teams will go up and 2 teams will go down.

But i also read elsewhere that the bottom teams in Div 1a and Div 1b will drop down with top teams in 2a and 2b coming up and that 2nd from bottom in div 1a & 1b playoff with the winner waiting up and the loser playing the winner of a playoff between the 2nd place teams in div 2a and 2b for the last div 1 place. The same applys to divison 3

Now like everything the county board do, its all up in the air and no one has a clue whats going.

We were also lead to believe there was a league semi final and final but now we are told that it is a straight league final between the the top team in each division. And we have finsihed 2nd! 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on October 12, 2007, 01:11:01 PM
davitt man are ye still training away or have ye abandonded it now cos realistically theres nothing left to play for??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 12, 2007, 02:48:18 PM
prwetna the training has wound down alrite, we havnt trained collectively since the rel playoff, we just do our own thing, playing soccer or running
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 15, 2007, 02:59:08 PM
Connacht Club Intermediate Football Championship Sunday October 14th - McHale Park

Ballintubber 0-14 0-11 Drumreilly (Leitrim)



The referee was an absolute disgrace. Even neutrals I talked to at the match couldnt believe some of the stuff he pulled.
He blatantly tried to bring Drumreilly back into the match by giving them free after free and then he sent two Ballintubber players off for nothing!? I couldnt believe what I was seeing.

Anyone else at it? 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 16, 2007, 11:59:53 AM
The way the leagues will work is like this

The winners of each league, be it Division 2A, 2B, 3A, 3B go straight up to the next division. There is no play-off for second placed teams.
The winners of Division 1A and Division 1B go through to a league final to determine the overall Division 1 winners. This will also happen in Division 2 and Division 3.

With regards to relegation the following is the outcome: the bottom two teams in each division, be it Division 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B go into relegation play-offs. If you finish bottom of Division 1A, you play the second bottom team in Division 1B. Bottom of Division 1B will play second bottom from Division 1A and the same for Division 2. The losing team in these games goes down. Therefore you will have two teams relegated from Division 1 and they will be replaced by the winners of Division 2A and the winners of Division 2B.
So to use the current tables the following is the scenario. Crossmolina win Division 1A (unless Moy Davitts hammer them in the last game), they play the winners of Division 1B, Ballaghaderreen, who cannot be caught, for the title of Division 1 winners. Currently Kiltane are bottom of Division 1A, they will play the second bottom team in Division 1B, that is currently Shrule. The losers of that game will go down to Division 2.
Castlebar are currently bottom of Division 1B, they will play second bottom in Division 1A, currently Louisburgh. Again, the losers go down.
Garrymore have already topped Division 2A, they will be in Division 1 next year. Kiltimagh and Islandeady are joint top of Division 2B, they will play-off and the winners go up.

If the teams are tied on the same points, scoring difference comes into play. That is with the exception of Division 2B where Kiltimagh play-off against Islandeady. Islandeady have the better scoring difference but Kiltimagh have been granted a replay because Moygownagh gave them a walkover and therefore no chance to accumulate a scoring difference

Hope that all makes sense.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 16, 2007, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 16, 2007, 11:59:53 AM
The way the leagues will work is like this

The winners of each league, be it Division 2A, 2B, 3A, 3B go straight up to the next division. There is no play-off for second placed teams.
The winners of Division 1A and Division 1B go through to a league final to determine the overall Division 1 winners. This will also happen in Division 2 and Division 3.

With regards to relegation the following is the outcome: the bottom two teams in each division, be it Division 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B go into relegation play-offs. If you finish bottom of Division 1A, you play the second bottom team in Division 1B. Bottom of Division 1B will play second bottom from Division 1A and the same for Division 2. The losing team in these games goes down. Therefore you will have two teams relegated from Division 1 and they will be replaced by the winners of Division 2A and the winners of Division 2B.
So to use the current tables the following is the scenario. Crossmolina win Division 1A (unless Moy Davitts hammer them in the last game), they play the winners of Division 1B, Ballaghaderreen, who cannot be caught, for the title of Division 1 winners. Currently Kiltane are bottom of Division 1A, they will play the second bottom team in Division 1B, that is currently Shrule. The losers of that game will go down to Division 2.
Castlebar are currently bottom of Division 1B, they will play second bottom in Division 1A, currently Louisburgh. Again, the losers go down.
Garrymore have already topped Division 2A, they will be in Division 1 next year. Kiltimagh and Islandeady are joint top of Division 2B, they will play-off and the winners go up.

If the teams are tied on the same points, scoring difference comes into play. That is with the exception of Division 2B where Kiltimagh play-off against Islandeady. Islandeady have the better scoring difference but Kiltimagh have been granted a replay because Moygownagh gave them a walkover and therefore no chance to accumulate a scoring difference

Hope that all makes sense.


Well done RGS, that cleared it up for me big time. I think its a very fair way to do things.
Can you divulge how you got this info? Was there a county board meeting last night ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 16, 2007, 02:25:14 PM
I dont think the relegation issue is fair, if you finish bottom you still have a chance of surviving!! that shouldnt happen, a team that finishs bottom without winning a game all year can still survive the drop. Thats not right, if you finish bottom down you go!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 16, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
It's all in the GAA fixtures book and I heard the thing about the Division 2B set-up over the weekend.
County Board meeting is on next Monday night I think. Holmes and Dempsey up for ratification for a further year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on October 16, 2007, 09:20:15 PM
I Know it is the least glamerous of the County finals, but does anybody have any thoughs on the Junior Final between Achill and Islandeady. Islandeady look to be the stronger but always seem to come up short on the big stage. Islandeady have a young team with 11 playing in the recent u-21 C final loss to Kilmovee Shamrocks.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM
HoganStand Stirring the shit...


O'Mahony questions Task Force proposals

17 October 2007

Mayo manager John O'Mahony and county board secretary Sean Feeney have contrasting views on the proposed close season suggested in the report published by the GAA Task Force on player burnout last week.

While Feeney believes it is a "good idea", O'Mahony feels a close season would be difficult to police and won't necessarily benefit players.

He asked: "How do you monitor it? Is the idea that you stop training altogether?

"There are some players who will work well in their own time but others who need collective training to keep up the intensity. At the moment, Mayo players are doing weights, mostly on their own, but we arrange that once a week so lads can meet up and do this collectively. Will this have to stop?"

Feeney, in contrast, welcomes the proposal, pointing out that it would save the county boards thousands of euros each year.

"You see a lot of inter-county managers starting collective training in late October and that's ridiculous," he said.

"The season will run until July and that's way too long for players. Then there is the cost element. Each training session we conduct for a panel of 30 players will cost in the region of ?1,500. That's between meals at ?12 a head and 50 cent a mile expenses."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 17, 2007, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 16, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
It's all in the GAA fixtures book and I heard the thing about the Division 2B set-up over the weekend.
County Board meeting is on next Monday night I think. Holmes and Dempsey up for ratification for a further year

Will they be ratified?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 17, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM
HoganStand Stirring the shit...


O'Mahony questions Task Force proposals

17 October 2007

Mayo manager John O'Mahony and county board secretary Sean Feeney have contrasting views on the proposed close season suggested in the report published by the GAA Task Force on player burnout last week.

While Feeney believes it is a "good idea", O'Mahony feels a close season would be difficult to police and won't necessarily benefit players.

He asked: "How do you monitor it? Is the idea that you stop training altogether?

"There are some players who will work well in their own time but others who need collective training to keep up the intensity. At the moment, Mayo players are doing weights, mostly on their own, but we arrange that once a week so lads can meet up and do this collectively. Will this have to stop?"

Feeney, in contrast, welcomes the proposal, pointing out that it would save the county boards thousands of euros each year.

"You see a lot of inter-county managers starting collective training in late October and that's ridiculous," he said.

"The season will run until July and that's way too long for players. Then there is the cost element. Each training session we conduct for a panel of 30 players will cost in the region of ?1,500. That's between meals at ?12 a head and 50 cent a mile expenses."

Its happening again, why cant we (Mayo) just stay out of the media and go about our work quietly, last year Mayo football was always in the news because Johnno was running in the election. I prefer if we could just stay nice and quiet and go about our work nice and quietly and then bang give them something to talk about when we win a match
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on October 17, 2007, 02:58:05 PM
its because the wrong men appointing the wrong man for the wrong reasons. yet again Feeney tries his best to publily undermine the county manager for finacial reasons and hes not even the Treasurer.  and we all know omahony cant fart without calling a press conferance to hear it.
What exactly were all those talks about before his finegaelness took over the county reins if they didnt include how many training sessions. esp as that seems to have been a large part of the reason we ditched a manager that got us to an allireland final for one who got us humilliated by a very poor derry team.
surely they didnt concentrate on his own 'expenses' and media Profile exclusively

yes im open to kettle and pot accusations but im not a paid county officer.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the ship on October 17, 2007, 04:38:01 PM
was sean feeney a good footballer himself? we know he was a great hurler because he also told them they were training too many times a week.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 17, 2007, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM
HoganStand Stirring the shit...


O'Mahony questions Task Force proposals

17 October 2007

Mayo manager John O'Mahony and county board secretary Sean Feeney have contrasting views on the proposed close season suggested in the report published by the GAA Task Force on player burnout last week.

While Feeney believes it is a "good idea", O'Mahony feels a close season would be difficult to police and won't necessarily benefit players.

He asked: "How do you monitor it? Is the idea that you stop training altogether?

"There are some players who will work well in their own time but others who need collective training to keep up the intensity. At the moment, Mayo players are doing weights, mostly on their own, but we arrange that once a week so lads can meet up and do this collectively. Will this have to stop?"

Feeney, in contrast, welcomes the proposal, pointing out that it would save the county boards thousands of euros each year.

"You see a lot of inter-county managers starting collective training in late October and that's ridiculous," he said.

"The season will run until July and that's way too long for players. Then there is the cost element. Each training session we conduct for a panel of 30 players will cost in the region of ?1,500. That's between meals at ?12 a head and 50 cent a mile expenses."
what a tool feeney is he doesn't give two fcuks about the players does he want players to cycle to training. what other county board would you hear the secretary giving out about paying petrol expenses to the players. we might have a good management on Board (thats definately up to debate) but some of the things players had to do last year was ridiculous for e.g travelling uo to Dublin the day of the league final by train rather than stay overnight, going to cork to play a league match and coming back again that night and play club games the following day again to avoid Staying over night and what about travelling up to Derry the Day of the Qualifer rather than Staying in Derry the night before all of these to keep expenses down.   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 17, 2007, 05:49:44 PM
Ah in fairness lads expenses of €1,500 a session is fairly high. They have an obligation to be solvent. I'd be critical of the county board most of the time but at that rate I don't blame them for being critical of training 11 months of the year.
And besides training in October is daft!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 17, 2007, 06:08:39 PM
Maybe when they have done the redevelopment on McHale Park they will spend some more on the teams. Or then again, maybe not. Also, remember back in 2006 when Moran wanted them to play in Croker against Laois in the quarter-finals, he had some quip with that as well saying that it'd be better off to be played in Roscommon or somewhere like that, again to cut expenses. His shocking act of sacking the hurling manager should also be called into question, again because of some expenses.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on October 17, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
whats the plan for mchale park? is it increasing in capacity? new stand? hope to god they rid of the concrete lintols for seating. a bit of plastic would be no harm at all.

anyone else notice the collosal c**k-up on the mchale road side (as things stand) where the upper level of seating is set back from and at a shallower pitch then the lower level? the view from up there is brutal and purely bacause of a simple mistake. i hope this too is fixed.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 17, 2007, 09:53:15 PM
Maybe the money that poor auld Sean has to be paid can be donated to help cover some of these expenses? He has a point this time I think, but yet again, not really his place to be saying it. How many other county secretaries consistently engage in this type of media whoring?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on October 18, 2007, 07:56:12 AM
Of course JOM and Feeney are entitled to different points of view. And in a way they were probably set up by the media who went to each, but did not advise the other of the position of the other. What bugs me is the need of Feeney to comment, or any Board official. There is no unity in Mayo football and that is why we will never win the major prize. Everybody as to pull together.

And as for the penny-pinching. We have been in two AIs in the last four years where serious fund-raising went on. How much was a ticket in City West for the after-match wake - about €200 I think - there were 2 or 3,000 at those so do the sums there. What about the corporate dinners in Castlebar. Its the tip of the iceberg. Where did all that money go? Why was it paid over? To support Mayo GAA, our clubs and our teams. In the interest of the County Board's carbon footprint how many of them will turn down their freebie to New York in May 2009?

Anyway back on the pitch this is from the Western People:

QuoteJohno begins intense search for new talent
By: Michael Gallagher

MAYO footballers return to the national stage on Saturday next when they line out with Connacht in the M. Donnelly Inter-Provincial semi-final against Ulster in Ballybofey at 7.45pm.

No panel has been finalised yet but it's highly likely that Ronan McGarrity, Keith Higgins, David Heaney, Andy Moran and Alan Dillon will all feature for the white and blue. The team will be managed by John O'Mahony and he'll be assisted by Martin Carney, Galway's Kevin Walsh and Ollie Honeyman from Leitrim.


The football joust with Ulster is part of a double-header with the hurling semi-final getting under-way at 6pm followed by the meeting of both provinces' finest footballers afterwards.


The provincial side had a challenge match in Aghamore on Thursday evening last when Connacht played Mayo under lights and the game served two purposes for O'Mahony.


"We wanted to get a run-out for the Connacht team before the game in Ballybofey, but from a Mayo point of view we wanted to have a look at a number of players who had impressed during the club season. Tommy Lyons, Kieran Gallagher and I have watched a huge amount of championship, league and under 21 matches throughout the county over the last few months and a number of names have cropped up. There will be a series of trial games in the coming weeks so that we can have a look at these lads and Thursday's was just one of those," the Mayo manager explained before revealing his thoughts regarding last Sunday night's Connacht Championship draw which pitted Mayo against the 2007 champions Sligo or London.


"It's going to be a tough match if its Sligo we have to face in the semi-final, but we have them at home in Castlebar and at least we won't be playing as early as May 17 as we had to last season when we played Galway in Salthill. Sligo are the Connacht champions and will be determined to hold onto their crown so we'll be expecting a very tough match in McHale Park," he added.



It's understood that the management team will be sitting down in the coming weeks to finalise a panel for the upcoming FBD and National League campaigns and a number of players are already in the midst of conditioing programmes.


"We'll be having a number of trial games in the next few weeks and we'll be selecting a panel shortly. It'd be fair to say that there'll be a fair few new names in that panel and that some previous squad members won't be coming back for the new season. Discussions are ongoing in this regard and no decisions have been made. The club championship has just finished and lads need a bit of breathing space but that'll all sort itself out in the coming weeks. Some of the squad are weight training at the moment and the plan between now and Christmas is to combine gym work with some outdoor sessions and trial games." the manager concluded.


Meanwhile Mayo have been installed as favourites to win back the Nestor Cup after last Sunday's provincial championship draw. O'Mahony's men are priced at 11/10 with Boylesports to regain the title while Galway come in at 11/8. Reigning champions Sligo who lost their manager Tommy Breheny during the week are priced at a very generous 10/1, while John Maughan's Roscommon outfit are an even more attractive 12/1. Leitrim are next in the betting at 25/1 while rank outsiders London and New York come in at 500/1 apiece.


 

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on October 18, 2007, 09:11:13 AM
Any word on who will not be back?
My guess is d brady,james nalllen.kevin oneill,aiden higgins,c mac,heaney and prehaps a few of the panel that did not feature on the field.
Conor mort and a few others are fairly good but do not stand up when counted,i.e allireland finals.At least if you are going to be beaten to a pulp you have to leave a few marks on your opponent, kerry laughed and joked at how easy it was to beat Mayo.
I would keep d brady if at all possible, fullforward option for definite even if he does not like to think so.He beat charlestown in a 7 minute spell by shear muscle and grit, something our real fullforwards cannot do.He would surely give the best fullbacks something to think about.In 2006 Mayo would have given up about 4 more goals were brady not up to it,donahy was afraid of him and it was very easily seen, i watched the video a few times, he really was not interested in the ball but more like avoiding the fists and wallops brady gave out legally that day.
MacDonald too, he should not walk just yet.Despite the bad championship by Mayo they are lucky that there is other lads in Mayo that can come in and put them back in the hunt straight away.Imagine if we were in rosscommon or sligos position, delighted with a connaught title!
One thing I want to see in Mayo in 2008 is no backing off in 50/50 balls.James Kilcullen is a perfect example of what we need, he is fearless, takes some hard knocks but wins the ball for his troubles.Can JOM train that into lads?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 19, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
County board happy with new league system
18 October 2007


County Board secretary Seán Feeney has admitted the new league format has been a success and is expected to be used in next years competition.

Speaking to the Mayo News, Feeney believes the current system is much better compared to the previous format used. The new format consisted of 20 teams in Division 1 and 2, splitting them into two groups of ten.

"We can't start until March and if we finish too soon players will be giving out about being idle. I think a season that runs from March to October is suitable. Most clubs will be finished by the end of the month and that is a good outcome.

"I think the league was an improvement on last year. I've had much less requests for challenge games this year than last year which is a good sign that teams are getting football.

"The Kelly Cup competition and its like worked well and I think teams are beginning to appreciate the greater significance of these games," added Feeney.


What are peoples view on the league, personnaly i dont think it is a success, they should revert back to the old Div 1 and leave it at that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 19, 2007, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: mannix on October 18, 2007, 09:11:13 AM
Any word on who will not be back?
My guess is d brady,james nalllen.kevin oneill,aiden higgins,c mac,heaney and prehaps a few of the panel that did not feature on the field.
Conor mort and a few others are fairly good but do not stand up when counted,i.e allireland finals.At least if you are going to be beaten to a pulp you have to leave a few marks on your opponent, kerry laughed and joked at how easy it was to beat Mayo.

IMO Heaney has a season or two left in him Mannix. And because of the rest McDonald got last year he could well give it one last lash this year. When Trev Mort was out for a while last year he came back with a bang, I suppose being out for a length of time you find the hunger again and are fresh so id say the same could apply for McDonald this year. Thats if his back holds up to it and I dont know how well he is.

I wouldnt have Conor Mort within an asses roar of the team. Id say the only reason he held on last year was for frees on the right. That could be a good enough reason for JOM to keep him on the team.
I think he has let us down on too many big days. He pulls out of every 50-50 ball and always seems to be on the deck. A player that keeps going down like that before he gets the ball is hiding. Half the time he doesnt make the run and make himself available for the pass and because of that the ball isnt sent in first time and a lot of hand passing and messing goes on around the middle. He probably isnt the only one at fault all the same.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 19, 2007, 11:13:12 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 19, 2007, 08:53:11 AM


What are peoples view on the league, personnaly i dont think it is a success, they should revert back to the old Div 1 and leave it at that


Agree with you Davitt man. They should use the league for championship standings, i.e. if you're in Division 1, you are Senior, Division 2 Intermediate, and Division 3 or below Junior. It's kind of ridiculous the system that has happened over the last few years whereby a poor team might be in Division 1, i.e. Kilmeena. Galway's Championship is based on their leagues.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 19, 2007, 12:16:50 PM
Yes the league was a very competive league a years back when your league status determined your c\ship the status, the way it should be. Now the league has been de- valued and clubs wont give a monkeys about the league now anymore. Every year when the fixtures were made you always looked to see when your club is playing the big names, Ballina, Cross e.t.c but now many of these games cannot take place because the league has been spilt up.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on October 23, 2007, 04:34:08 PM
I see the leagues have been thrown into a bit of turmoil after the county board meeting last night, According to the county board the bottom two teams in each section will be in relegation play-offs. For example second last in division one a will play last in one b to see who goes down and so on.
But according to Connacht council secretary John Prenty the county board passed an initial plan to have only the bottom sides in each divisional section automatically relegated at a county board meeting back in January and the minutes of that meeting were passed at the Feb meeting, the same meeting that the current rules were passed. So two rules were passed concerning relegation and clubs could appeal.
Ironically Prenty's own club Ballyhaunis are currently second last in division two B and would avoid the threat of relegation to division three if the original rules are held up. I wonder would he have brought this up if, Ballyhauins were safe from the possability of relegation.

On another note, anyone at the Ballaghaderreen Kilmeena match at the weekend, a bit strange that a side who has walked over almost everyone else in the league were held to a draw by a side who only needed a point to almost deffinatly ensure their status in division one and sending Castlebar and Shrule into a possible relegation playoff.   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 24, 2007, 08:17:42 AM
A DIFFERENT LEAGUE

Relegation play-offs are disputed by John Prenty

Exclusive
Edwin McGreal

CONNACHT Council Secretary John Prenty and members of the executive of the Mayo GAA Board were at odds last night over how the format for relegation in the County League work.
Clubs had been informed via the Mayo GAA Fixtures Booklet (issued by the County Board) that the bottom two teams in each section would go into play-offs with the corresponding teams from the other section in their division. The two losing teams would be relegated, according to the booklet.
However, John Prenty argued at last night's County Board delegates meeting that the Mayo GAA Board could run into difficulty if any club appealed against the relegation rulings. Prenty argued that, because the initial plan of automatically relegating the bottom team in each section (with no play-offs) was passed at the meeting of January 23, the minutes of that meeting had to be amended for any changes to come into being.
He went on to argue that although the relegation rulings as they currently stand were passed at the next meeting [in February], the fact that the February meeting also passed the January minutes without any amendments has created a problem.
"The February meeting approved two different things with regard to relegation," Prenty told delegates. "There needed to be an amendment to the original relegation standing passed by a two-thirds majority and this didn't happen. What I'm asking is will they (the current relegation procedures) stand up to scrutiny on appeal?"
After several arguments from members of the County Board executive such as Secretary Seán Feeney, Chairman James Waldron and Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas were countered by Prenty from his position at the back of the hall, County Board assistant treasurer, Cathal Hennelly, asked mischievously, 'Has Prenty the County Board over a barrel?'
However, Seán Feeney told The Mayo News that he was confident that the procedures will not be subject to any successful appeal.
"We're confident we're on a solid footing. We're proceeding on the basis of what we set out to do, that is the bottom two from each section will go into a play-off. We're confident we'll beat him on this one."
Meanwhile, Mayo minor manager, Ray Dempsey, Under-21 manager, Pat Holmes and senior hurling manager, Martin Brennan were all ratified for another year without any objections at last night's meeting

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on October 24, 2007, 10:57:43 AM
how a  secretary can allow  2 motions on one subject on the same night beggars belief!. and this is the clown that we had to employ because  he was such a wonderful administrater. will we end up with 2 identical mchale parks built either side of an sportlann?.
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on October 24, 2007, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 24, 2007, 10:57:43 AM
how a  secretary can allow  2 motions on one subject on the same night beggars belief!. and this is the clown that we had to employ because  he was such a wonderful administrater. will we end up with 2 identical mchale parks built either side of an sportlann?.

He is not alone on the board when it comes to the competent stakes!
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 25, 2007, 12:18:02 PM
When are the League finals on does anybody know?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on October 25, 2007, 12:44:25 PM
no but he is the paid secretary  whose like any secretary 1st job is to look after the agenda of meetings and he seems incapable of doing this.couls it be that this unadvertised job went to one of the boys :o
Isuppose though he raised the money himself by cutting back n the sliothers used by the hurdlers . If they cound use wavin hurls therd be no need to replace them and he could have the job full time
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on October 25, 2007, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 25, 2007, 12:44:25 PM
no but he is the paid secretary  whose like any secretary 1st job is to look after the agenda of meetings and he seems incapable of doing this.couls it be that this unadvertised job went to one of the boys :o
Isuppose though he raised the money himself by cutting back n the sliothers used by the hurdlers . If they cound use wavin hurls therd be no need to replace them and he could have the job full time

In fairness Rosnarun...this has been going on for the past 20 years in Mayo.... there is no excuse for it..but look at all the officials on our board and its seems its all about "looking after my own patch and feck the rest of ye and the greater good" will things change?....i wont hold my breath.
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Post by: Davitt Man on October 26, 2007, 08:44:53 AM
New format for junior championship
25 October 2007


The Mayo junior football championship may be in line for a change, as a new format was discussed at this weeks county board delegates meeting.

Vice-chairman Paddy McNicholas was the first to introduce the idea stating this years championship suffered from too many teams withdrawing and saying it was too unwieldy.

McNicholas claimed it would be to the benefit of the division if they adjusted the format to the one used at senior level with only 16 teams and all teams below to be separated into the Junior B championship.

Connacht Council secretary John Prenty claimed the suggested system would be unfair if used.

"Every club in the county has a right to play in, at the very least, Junior A championship. You cannot relegate an exclusive Junior team to Junior B level," noted Prenty

The format is set to be further discussed over the next month.

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Post by: Davitt Man on October 30, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
Club Stars shortlist revealed

30 nominees in line for coveted club football awards

Mike Finnerty

COUNTY champions Ballina have secured seven nominations for the Mayo News/O'Neills Club Stars team announced today while former Mayo football legends, Colm McManamon and Gary Ruane, have also been shortlisted.
The 15 players and five replacements will be revealed at the third annual Club Stars banquet – in association with AIB – which will be held on Friday, November 30 at the TF Royal Hotel & Theatre, Castlebar.
Six players from beaten finalists Charlestown are also in contention for a Club Star award, which honours the cream of Mayo's club footballers. The final shake-up includes representatives of Knockmore, Ballaghaderreen, Breaffy, Crossmolina, Burrishoole and Moy Davitts. Five players from this year's Mayo Intermediate Championship have also been nominated as 'wild cards'.
All proceeds from the gala presentation night will go to the Mayo Branch of Down Syndrome Ireland. Nominees as well as family, friends and club supporters will attend the banquet.
The 30 players were selected by Mayo GAA Board secretary Sean Feeney, Mid West Radio analyst Eamonn Clarke, and Mayo News GAA writers Sean Rice and Austin Garvin. The quartet now face the task of further whittling down that list and selecting the 15 players and five replacements who will make up the 2006 team. This selection will be announced on the night.
"It's almost a completely different selection to last year," admitted Sean Rice. "There are only eight of the 30 players from last year this time around so it just goes to show how much has changed in the space of twelve months. Ballina, understandably, dominated the nominations but it was a very, very competitive championship and the likes of Charlestown, Ballaghaderreen and Knockmore feature prominently as a result of that.
"I think Ballintubber's achievement in winning their first Intermediate Championship since 1990 is reflected in the fact that three of their players are nominated," added Rice. "We were very impressed overall with the standard of club football in Mayo this season and the fact that clubs that didn't get out of the group stages are represented shows how competitive things are now."
The list of nominees include one Knockmore players seeking his third successive Club Stars award – John Brogan – with Damien Munnelly and Trevor Howley also nominated from the North Mayo club.
Two of Ballina's seven nominees were also nominated last year (Kenny Golden and Eanna Casey) while David Clarke, Martin Wynne, Colm Leonard, Ronan McGarritty and David Brady will also be representing the Stephenites.
Charlestown's fine season has been rewarded with nominations for Enda Casey, Kevin Deignan, Dermot Higgins, David Tiernan, Richard Haran and Tony Mulligan with near neighbours, Ballaghaderreen having Stephen Drake, James Kilcullen, Barry Regan and Andy Moran on the shortlist.
Stephen Rochford is the sole representative of quarter-finalists Crossmolina while Marty McNicholas flies the flag for Breaffy. Burrishoole half-back Conor Moran joins Colm McManamon from Newport as both are rewarded for a series of outstanding individual performances throughout the year.
This year, for the second time, nominees include players who were involved in the Intermediate Championship. The five players in this category are Ballintubber trio, Noel Gibbons, Tom Earley and Alan Dillon, Ballyhaunis defender Keith Higgins, and Kiltimagh talisman, Sean Malee.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 30, 2007, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 30, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
Club Stars shortlist revealed

30 nominees in line for coveted club football awards
...

What do ye think of the nominations? Glad to see the Intermediates werent over looked.

Sean Malee had a great final and deserved his nomination.

If I had my way I would have Michael Hoban and Paul Early on there too but im looking at things through red and white tented glasses!

;)  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 30, 2007, 10:07:20 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 30, 2007, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 30, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
Club Stars shortlist revealed

30 nominees in line for coveted club football awards
...

What do ye think of the nominations? Glad to see the Intermediates werent over looked.

Sean Malee had a great final and deserved his nomination.

If I had my way I would have Michael Hoban and Paul Early on there too but im looking at things through red and white tented glasses!

;)  ;D


It's hard to place too much value on any award system that has Sean Rice as it's judge
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Post by: StoneWall on October 31, 2007, 08:56:31 AM
League fixtures for 2008. Only three home matches...Donegal, Kerry and Galway...

Round1
02.02.08 (Sat) @ 7.00pm
Derry v Mayo

Round 2
17.02.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Mayo v Donegal

Round 3
01.03.08 (Sat) @ 7.00pm
Laois v Mayo

Round 4
16.03.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Mayo v Kerry

Round 5
30.03.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Kildare v Mayo

Round 6
06.04.2008 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Mayo v Galway

Round 7
13.04.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Tyrone v Mayo
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on October 31, 2007, 10:03:20 AM
Last night I watched the 06 final and the sunday game of the night.Unreal space and no marking in most of kerrys scores.Mayos lads allowed them to waltz through or else simply bounced off them.How or why Mayo did not come out all guns blazing with a 6 point deficit to overcome is hard to fathom, were kerry that good?Kevin oneill was fantastic but was subbed.Conor mort was absent and remained on to take tap over frees.Barry moran brought on at ff but no high ball dropped on him,6 foot 5 inches.

Did mm not have any ideas before the game or were they just standing there watching in disbelief?One thing is certain,when mayo did get going near half time they were well able to play.I know its water under the bridge now but it sticks in my throat when i see our best being embarassed by anyone they are able for.

We have better players than most,a strong club scene,reputedly one great manager and yet tamely lied down for a mediocre derry team this year.Can JOM knock the softness out of the team, they were soft,soft soft against kerry in 06 and derry in 07.Only d brady and billy joe gave any kerry lad a clatter or something to think about that day, where was the pride in the jersey or themselves or the will to succeed after  busting their asses for the previous year in training.Is jom wasting our time or does he care?
Lack of belief against kerry is a major problem after all this decade has delivered, a big change in personnel and tactics is probably the only way up for us now.
Any agree or disagree?
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2007, 06:08:46 PM
I remember reading a piece by Ger Loughnane after the 06 final. He reckons Mayo football could be in real trouble after that hiding. He makes the point that Clare hurlers had the same fate, albeit at provincial level, but Mayo have it at national level, i.e. once Clare finally banished the demons in 95 they could go on to win better things which happened, but Mayo's isn't at provincial level that it's at national level and he cannot see Mayo winning anything for a long time.

I for one am sad to say I agree with him unless O'Mahony can put some fire in the bellies and get a few men who aren't afreid to hit and go after every ball. Remember too that we haven't won a connacht minor title since 2001, another awful statistic.
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Post by: highking on November 01, 2007, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on October 24, 2007, 08:17:42 AM
A DIFFERENT LEAGUE

Relegation play-offs are disputed by John Prenty

Exclusive
Edwin McGreal

CONNACHT Council Secretary John Prenty and members of the executive of the Mayo GAA Board were at odds last night over how the format for relegation in the County League work.
Clubs had been informed via the Mayo GAA Fixtures Booklet (issued by the County Board) that the bottom two teams in each section would go into play-offs with the corresponding teams from the other section in their division. The two losing teams would be relegated, according to the booklet.
However, John Prenty argued at last night's County Board delegates meeting that the Mayo GAA Board could run into difficulty if any club appealed against the relegation rulings. Prenty argued that, because the initial plan of automatically relegating the bottom team in each section (with no play-offs) was passed at the meeting of January 23, the minutes of that meeting had to be amended for any changes to come into being.
He went on to argue that although the relegation rulings as they currently stand were passed at the next meeting [in February], the fact that the February meeting also passed the January minutes without any amendments has created a problem.
"The February meeting approved two different things with regard to relegation," Prenty told delegates. "There needed to be an amendment to the original relegation standing passed by a two-thirds majority and this didn't happen. What I'm asking is will they (the current relegation procedures) stand up to scrutiny on appeal?"
After several arguments from members of the County Board executive such as Secretary Seán Feeney, Chairman James Waldron and Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas were countered by Prenty from his position at the back of the hall, County Board assistant treasurer, Cathal Hennelly, asked mischievously, 'Has Prenty the County Board over a barrel?'
However, Seán Feeney told The Mayo News that he was confident that the procedures will not be subject to any successful appeal.
"We're confident we're on a solid footing. We're proceeding on the basis of what we set out to do, that is the bottom two from each section will go into a play-off. We're confident we'll beat him on this one."
Meanwhile, Mayo minor manager, Ray Dempsey, Under-21 manager, Pat Holmes and senior hurling manager, Martin Brennan were all ratified for another year without any objections at last night's meeting



Senior Football League Division 1, Relegation Playoffs Sun 04 Nov
Castlebar v Louisburgh, Ref: C. Collins in Castlebar at 1:00
Cill tSeadhna v Shrule-Glencorrib, Ref: M. Daly in Castlebar at 2:30

The above games are postponed this weekend. The County Secretary has received appeals from Ballyhaunis, Louisburgh and
Shrule-Glencorrib.

Looks as if someone has been on the phne in recent days to secure his clubs Division 2 status!!!!
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Post by: rosnarun on November 01, 2007, 06:19:04 PM
1955 was the one we really let slip. too much favoritism in team selection and not to have done a double in the 30's winning all those leagues still sticks in my craw.

06 is history. get over it. the players have to .
besides we have our messiah in place now nothing can go wrong
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Post by: muppet on November 02, 2007, 01:30:38 AM
QuoteHowever, John Prenty argued at last night's County Board delegates meeting that the Mayo GAA Board could run into difficulty if any club appealed against the relegation rulings. Prenty argued that, because the initial plan of automatically relegating the bottom team in each section (with no play-offs) was passed at the meeting of January 23, the minutes of that meeting had to be amended for any changes to come into being.
He went on to argue that although the relegation rulings as they currently stand were passed at the next meeting [in February], the fact that the February meeting also passed the January minutes without any amendments has created a problem.
"The February meeting approved two different things with regard to relegation," Prenty told delegates.

This is hilarious. I wish I was there.

I don't know the story and I can only go on what was written above.

Prenty seems to argue that they made a decision in January and then changed it in February but because they approved the minutes of the Jan meeting in Feb that they contradicted themselves. He is saying that they approved the new system at the Feb meeting and thus de facto approved the old system by accepting the Jan minutes.  He doesn't mention whether they approved the Feb minutes at the next meeting (presumably in March) which would then mean that the March meeting approved the contradictory minutes from the Feb meeting which of course approved the Jan decision. This gets confusing of course because the March meeting would only refer to the Feb minutes and not the January minutes but if he wants the January minutes amended then the Feb meeting couldn't be recorded as having approved them and they would have to be also amended setting off a chain reaction into March and so on. Clear as mud really.

Of course the minutes issue could be just a red herring as they are merely required to be a record of motions, proposals and amendments with the odd conversation throw in.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on November 02, 2007, 09:22:47 AM
Are Mayo playing challenge games? Heard they played a few recently and wondered if any new heads were playing?
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Post by: blast05 on November 02, 2007, 02:21:23 PM
We hammered Bridgids off the park there a week ago so i'm told.
Parsons was in midfield, Tom Cunniffe at centre back, Damien Munnelly and Prenty in the forward line and .......... BJP at full back
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2007, 07:28:19 PM
BJP full back, is his next position to be goalie I wonder? ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on November 05, 2007, 10:42:17 AM
Were the division 1 relegation matchs on this weekend??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on November 05, 2007, 10:48:16 AM
mayo county board are the greatest shower going, there were calls for their heads when confusion arose over the championship draws and now they've thrown the relegation playoffs into disarray once again. louisburgh and shrule have objections in because of some confusing changes to the relegation formatt. castlebar and kiltane were due to meet both these teams this wend and it has been postponed, apparently going to connaught council for help in matter. same thing happened with championship earlier in the year but clubs didnt object.fair play to the teams that have objected even though i feel sorry for all players concerned as the season looks to extend longer. the county board are so incompetent it's laughable. time for this board to be totally cleaned out, before 2008...
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Post by: Tubberman on November 05, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
Great result for Ballintubber on Saturday who defeated St. Farnans of Sligo by 1-9 to 0-7. This was done without two of their best players, with Alan Dillon away on holidays and Tom Earley out injured.
They are now through to the Connacht Final on 18th Nov where they play Moycullen of Galway. The match is in McHale Park, so hopefully a lot of Mayo supporters will turn out to give Ballintubber their support.
Title: Mayo House of Horrors
Post by: Tubberman on November 05, 2007, 11:56:25 AM
Saw this on mayofans.com (I have to post it in two parts as it's too big for one post)
It's not easy reading, and if you're in good form, maybe you should look away now to save yourself  ;)
Not sure if I could read a whole book of those sort of stories about the green and red...  :'(

Quote
'In my heart and soul, I shed a tear'

In this extract from Keith Duggan's book House of Pain Mayo's David Brady recalls the nightmare of the 2006 All-Ireland defeat to Kerry

September 17th, 2006, Croke Park

It was like breathing in ether. David Brady stood in the mellow autumn sunlight, solemn and resolute, about to enter his fourth All-Ireland senior football final. This one was over almost as soon as it began. On the field, the Kerry players were responding to their own private motivations with a performance of skill and power that was majestic and cruel. They were playing Gaelic football as if the Mayo men were just ghosts on the field instead of 15 primed, finely-tuned athletes.

Kerry took command with such killing and withering finality that they succeeded in largely silencing the crowd of some 80,000 people that had gathered on that gorgeous Indian-summer day hoping for drama and intrigue. Mayo people had dared to hope this day would transport them back to the bonfire nights of 1951, when their team were last champions.

Instead, they were treated to a frightening exposition of the inherent desire and ambition, the carnivorous need, that drives Kerry football men and of the shocking depth of paralysis and capacity for big-day misadventure that have haunted Mayo football teams for too long.

To make matters worse, the match echoed eerily what had happened when the counties met in the 2004 All-Ireland final. It was a stroke of bold genius by the Kerry manager Jack O'Connor once again to present the Mayo team with their worst nightmares as soon as the cheering from the national anthem had finished. High, booming balls were rained down on the Mayo full-back line, and where two years earlier the green-and-red-shirted defenders had struggled to cope with the bulky wizardry of Kerry veteran Johnny Crowley, now they were helpless against the height and smart passing of Kieran Donaghy, the rangy young Tralee basketball star whose unorthodox, blue-collar full-forward instinct had made him the sensation of the championship.

Declan O'Sullivan offered a portent of the afternoon to come with an early goal of supreme ease and confidence. Then Donaghy caught a ball and turned to find the net with a murderous shot. Colm Cooper was a torment. He too would find the net before the half was out. Further up the field, the Kerry lines were moving at speed and in harmony.

Billy Fitzpatrick, the veteran Mayo forward who now calls live matches with Midwest Radio, was almost speechless with disbelief. Fitzpatrick had been worried from the second Mayo had taken the field. He detected lifelessness in the way the players moved, as if they were burdened rather than inspired by the task ahead. It was so different to the melodramatic, anarchic scenes of three weeks earlier, when Mayo had outraged the Dublin fans and team by warming up in front of Hill 16 before the semi-final. The atmosphere had been revolutionary that day.

Now, in the hazy afternoon warmth with the brass band sounding out tunes of triumph and excitement in the amphitheatre, Mayo looked meek. He watched Ciarán McDonald, probably the purest kicker of a football in the game, send two practice shots tailing lamely towards the old Nally Stand and he feared the worst. "Something is not right here," he said aloud.

Brady had become something of a shop steward to the Mayo team over the course of the season. Coaxing the Ballina midfield man out of retirement and resurrecting the career of Kevin O'Neill - the classy but forgotten Knockmore forward - had been two of the brightest moves made by the management team of Mickey Moran and John Morrison.

The Ulster men had used Brady as an impact substitute, and although he believed he could have started this final, he was at peace with the role. It was his habit to sit in the reserves' dugout with his boots unlaced, but four minutes into the final, he began to lace them tightly, his heart pounding.

Later, he would liken those minutes to an out-of-body experience. "I remember feeling as though I was being sucked into a vacuum. It was as if the light went on. We suddenly realised where we were and what it meant. You would swear Kerry had never won a thing in their life. They were killing us. And they set out to beat us in the first 10 minutes. We went six points down, eight points down, 10 down.

We were in disbelief. It was all happening again. I had to keep telling myself that this was not some kind of f***ing joke."

WHEN BRADY, inevitably, was called to go on, after just 11 minutes, the notion of the All-Ireland final as a contest was already a ruin. Of the four All-Ireland senior finals Mayo had lost in the past decade, this was the most spectacular implosion. Three weeks earlier, they had starred in a match against Dublin that drew immediate comparison with the finest of the last one hundred years.

Now, just 10 minutes into the GAA showpiece, a day of ritual importance not only in Ireland but also in the emerald enclaves of the great American cities and throughout England and the far-flung reaches of the world, Mayo were a hunted thing. On televisions across the world and to the crowd in Croke Park, the match seemed almost leisurely, with Kerry bossing proceedings so thoroughly it no longer felt like a competition.

But for Brady, it was still a live proposition, and the hour passed by in a blur. He remembers flashes. He was sent in to try to rein in Donaghy, and he made a pact with himself not be passive. They shook hands. There was no cheap talking. Kerry never resorted to goading. They just took care of business all afternoon.

Brady clattered into the taller, younger man for the first three balls they contested and, somehow, he came away with them. Through the stunned quietness came the first tentative sounds of Mayo cheering. It was a brief moment of defiance on a day of staggering capitulation.

Brady heard no sounds, nor was he conscious of the terrible lull that fell when the match settled into a rut in the second half. After all, he was playing in an All-Ireland final and his last match for Mayo. He made deals with himself. He played clever and he played bullish.

"I had to gamble and play like it was midfield. I wanted to contest every ball. I decided to forget that the goalposts were behind me," he would remember later.

Kevin O'Neill's heroic season continued as he manufactured a goal out of nothing shortly after Brady joined the game. There was a fleeting sense of optimism when Pat Harte hammered home a second goal on the half-hour mark, and when O'Neill found the net again, just seconds later, a brief shiver of fatalism passed through many Mayo people, a shortlived prayer that maybe this might be the day after all.

Brady felt gung-ho after Mayo's third goal. He distinctly remembers Donaghy looking across at Cooper and shouting: "What the f***?" It was the faintest scent of Kerry vulnerability. But just as he was beginning to make more personal deals, Paul Galvin sauntered in from the right side and landed a brilliant, almost arrogant point that seemed to say rebellion would be pointless.

Before the match, there had been such singing hope. It must be remembered that scattered through that vast crowd of supporters were Mayo heroes from yesteryear. Pádraig Carney, the chiselled All-Ireland-winning centre-fielder from some 55 years earlier, had made his annual trip from California. He had been invited to sit in a corporate box, and although he was glad of the distraction of the wine as the day unravelled, he found the spectacle tough to watch.

Carney is no sentimentalist when it comes to the old days. He believes the game has improved and reserves special praise for the unique skills of Ciarán McDonald. "Oh, he is so talented," he laments, "but he needs to stay in his position or he is wasted. That day was a shock. Maybe we expected too much. I reckoned the Northern guys (Moran and Morrison) would put fire in their bellies. And then this collapse."

Elsewhere, his old friend Paddy Prendergast, full back on that last Mayo championship team, was trying to make the best of a bad situation. He had turned up in the lower Hogan Stand for a supposed unofficial reunion of the 1951 team. "I don't know what happened, but there wasn't a shagging sinner there but myself. In the end, I had to go. I couldn't watch any more."

John Casey, whose form had illuminated Mayo's All-Ireland run 10 years earlier, was seated in the lower Cusack Stand. The Charlestown player had been having a fine day, touring the pubs with his brother. He had swaggered up to the champion jockey Barry Geraghty with the amicable salute: "Howya, Ruby."

He greeted men he had played against years ago as they walked along a crowded Jones's Road. Although he was still young enough to be playing for Mayo, it felt liberating to attend a final as a fan. The match brought the sensations of his own lingering disappointments rushing back. "I just felt awful for the boys. Particularly Aidan Higgins, my own clubman."

Jimmy Maughan, who had been part of a Mayo team badly beaten by Kerry in the summer of 1981, was with friends down at the old Canal End.

"A blind man up in the stands could have seen what was going to happen. I said it to the guy beside me, 'This has the shape of a disaster. It'll be over in 20 minutes.' The form Donaghy and those guys were in, they had to sacrifice someone for the first seven to 10 minutes and play a sweeper role. My neighbour said, 'You're talking through your hat. Were you in Barry's for pints?' I said, 'I hope I'm wrong'. And I was - it was over in 10.

LIAM MCHALE, the convivial midfield giant who lost three senior All-Ireland finals, had been asked to do a half-time interview by RTÉ. He left his seat with 10 minutes to spare, and as he hurried through the chilly tunnels underneath Croke Park, he twice heard the huge rumbling acoustics of the crowd roaring above him. When he was escorted to the side of the field, he saw that Mayo had scored two quick goals. "I had been ready to put a brave face on things and talk about how brilliant Kerry were, and then the whole thing was confused. There was a very strange feeling in the stadium. I think I said that Mayo had a chance."

Six points down at half-time, the Mayo team huddled together in the dressingroom and promised themselves if they scored the next point, they would win the All-Ireland. Brady believed it. But they were spooked. The big electronic scoreboard flashed a strange and lopsided state of play: 3-8 to 3-2. There was something terribly lonely and incriminating about those two points.
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Post by: Tubberman on November 05, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
part two:

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After the break, Mayo were passive. Kerry took up where they had left off. Not for the first time, several Mayo supporters left the game early. They fled the ground, in shame or heartbreak or whatever, an abandonment that was becoming a motif. Brady didn't notice them, nor would he have particularly cared.

"We didn't show the heart. We made a deal that if we got the first score of the half, we would win the All-Ireland. And we didn't. Why not? We didn't get possession in the middle. We were destroyed in the middle half of the pitch. It is the whole thing of taking responsibility. I don't know how any man - any human being - cannot give it their all in an All-Ireland final. But maybe, maybe, that's not fair to say either.

"Like, I know our lads were so physically fit, but they seemed to be genuinely drained of energy and motivation. If they were racehorses, you would be questioning if they were drugged. There was something preying on them."

It was a strange, hollow conclusion to the All-Ireland championship. Mayo managed three points in the entire second half, all desultory frees from Conor Mortimer. Kerry were impressive and may have privately wished they were being given a better game. Brady kept on telling himself to keep going, to try to make something happen. But when Brian Crowe, the referee, told him there were two minutes left, he couldn't wait to escape the whole thing. "I just said to myself, 'I want to be out of here. Out of here'."

In the coolness of the dressingroom, the Mayo boys gathered for the last time of the season. Brady realised, to his surprise, he felt nothing. He still has keen phantom pains when he thinks about his first All-Ireland defeat in 1996, when he played as a cocksure 22-year-old in a bizarre and gripping September series against Meath.

"Until they throw earth on top of me I will be hurting about that," he will say to those who ask. But he was like a war veteran in these days of abject Mayo misery. He had company in players like Jimmy Nallen and McDonald and David Heaney. Sitting there broken and even sobbing, however, was a group of players 10 years younger.

Jack O'Connor came in and spoke with direct compassion about what had just happened on the field. He explained that the one, single year Kerry had been waiting since their All-Ireland final loss to Tyrone had been more cutting and salty than the half-century of constant keening that accompanied Mayo teams. He explained Kerry's need had been greater. Brady listened because he respected O'Connor, and his mind roamed back to the exchanges on the field, the uncompromising hardness of the Kerry tackling, as swift and clean and accurate as middleweight combination shots.

"MEAN" was the word he would use to describe that Kerry performance, and he meant it as a compliment. But still, it didn't seem logical that those Kerry players, all of whom had All-Ireland medals in their cabinets at home, could summon up more hurt than his team-mates and friends. And it certainly wasn't the case now. What had happened out there to those Mayo players was about as distressing and cruel as sport gets. It would have been no real surprise had they decided to quit en masse.

Brady went around and murmured words of consolation here and there and eventually delivered a muted valediction. "I remember thinking, 'These are the lads who have to carry this f***ing thing for the next 10 years'.

"Afterwards, the one thing I said was about this word 'if'. It has been embedded in Mayo football players for the last 30 years. If only this had happened in 1985 or that had happened. If only I could have got my hands to block Colm Coyle's point in 1996. Then it all might have been different. All the 'ifs' in the world would not have won that game. To lose an All-Ireland final by a point is agonising. But to lose it by 13 points, well, there is no pain there."

And yet he was hurting. It didn't matter that his own performance would see him exonerated from the criticism that would come in the following days. Outside the dressingroom, he flung his bag on to the team coach and confirmed to waiting pressmen that he was retiring. He was dreading the trip home on the bus on Monday evening.

After a sorry night in the Citywest Hotel on the outskirts of Dublin, they packed for home and drew the curtains across the windows of the bus as they rumbled down through the plains of Kildare. But, as it turned out, the mood was defiantly bright as they journeyed west. They drank beer and played cards and laughed. One player got turned over for about €500 in a blackly comic run of wicked cards.

It was as though he was a cosmic example of the truth that there is no limit to the misfortune a Mayo footballer must endure. He was branded the unluckiest man on earth. They laughed a lot as they headed through the twinkling midlands and back to the beloved and bereft in Mayo. "We knew it would be the last time we would be on our own," Brady says. "After that, it would go f***ing mental."

In Castlebar, a small but steadfast crowd was waiting in the heavy rain outside the Welcome Inn. Nothing official had been arranged, but these Mayo people stood vigil all the same. Their gesture choked Brady up in a way he hadn't felt in years. In the function room, he was overcome. That was when it hit him. Thirteen years of playing county football and this was how it ended. He had to lower his head, had to raise his hand to warn his friends away.

"The warmth of those people was incredible. It kind of dawned on me then. The whole thing hit me and in my heart and soul, I shed a tear or two inside. That is what I had been doing this thing for - the 13 years of breaking arms, legs, nose, jaws, the hundreds of training sessions, the whole lot - that is why. These were strangers standing in the pissing rain to greet a team that had been destroyed in the biggest football match of the year. I won't ever forget that."

When he composed himself, he was D.B. again, gregarious and friendly and laughing. They began pounding drinks and the night splintered. At dawn, he woke in a pub belonging to a relative of Gerald Courell, the great Mayo football man who had trained the 1950 and '51 All-Ireland champions. He walked through downtown Castlebar feeling shattered. It was still dark and wintrily peaceful, and there wasn't a soul on the streets. He had the freedom of the town.

Back in the hotel, he lay down for a couple of hours, and when daylight pierced the room, he realised he wasn't ready to return to real life just yet. "I was sharing a room with Trevor Mortimer, and I just said, 'Trevor, let's go again'. I was in a sorrowful, pitiful state, but there was nothing else to do.

"This is not a thing to be saying, but it felt like the choice was to either die or have another drink. That is a traditional football thing. You need it after a summer of training. You need to be with your own. Eventually, we made it back to Ballina. And we did it all again."

THOSE FEW DAYS were his goodbye. After all, he was only experiencing the same everlasting truth that every other Mayo football player of the last 50 years has learned at the end: it wasn't meant to be. Somehow, as the years after 1951 became decades, that became the proud, melancholy story of Mayo football. The county produced good ordinary players and hard men and exceptional stylists, and they all fell short in one game or another.

It does not matter that Mayo has only ever won three All-Ireland senior titles in the history of the GAA. Mayo is nothing if not a football county. There is a deathless expectation running through its darks fields that the next period of grandeur, the next period of glory, is out there on the horizon.

David Brady is one of a rich cast of men who have given a considerable chunk of their lives to chasing down that dream. And call it bad luck or call it innocence or put it down to some inexplicable fear at the heart of Mayo football people, but it just hasn't happened.

Brady is luckier than most. He has, after all, awoken on four September mornings wondering if this was the day he would win that precious cross, the medal that would unite him with the band of brothers from the 1950s. It was of little consequence to him that on one of the bleakest days for football in his county, Brady had stood out there as the chief flag bearer of courage and integrity for whatever the green and the red represents. But in his last hour, his bravery promised that Mayo would be back. What a place to find himself, though - standing on the edge of this great tradition, the All-Ireland football final, waiting to enter a contest that had been flipped into a twilight world of embarrassment.

It must have been the loneliest moment of his football life. "To be honest," says David Brady, thinking back to his last hour with Mayo, "I felt like I was being sent in there to look for survivors."
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Post by: AbbeySider on November 05, 2007, 01:27:27 PM
I just read the whole thing.
Very powerful, im speechless and a little emotional after reading that.
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 05, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
David Brady was a good player but not as good as people made him out to be, he belived alot of his own hype and loved being in the media
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Post by: Tubberman on November 05, 2007, 02:07:06 PM
QuoteDavid Brady was a good player but not as good as people made him out to be, he belived alot of his own hype and loved being in the media

Some truth in that Davitt Man, especially regarding his media profile, but you have to give credit to him. He always gave everything when he played, and that day against Kerry he stood up and showed his determination and heart when almost all others had given up and seemed rooted to the spot.
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Post by: FL/MAYO on November 05, 2007, 02:45:09 PM
Brady was the only bright spot on the Mayo team that day. He lived on the edge during that game but at least he gave it everything.
Just finished Jack O'Connor's book, the only teams that they were worried about in 2006 were Tyrone and Armagh. They let Mayo believe all the hype after the Dublin game.  O'Connor said that the Dublin/Mayo semi final was an exciting game but both teams were prone to making mistakes. He was not to worried about Mayo at all.
Billy Fitz was not the only one who thought that Mayo did not look right before the game. I remember thinking that they looked listless also. I was sick to the stomach sitting in the lower Hogan after just 5 minutes it was like the Mayo players were wearing weights on their legs and trying to run in quicksand...they looked drained. I still get sick thinking about it. 
Great article, Duggan always writes good stuff about Mayo, is he a Mayo man? he seems to have a soft spot for us.   
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 05, 2007, 03:19:32 PM
yes i agree he was a hrad player and gave his all but it just appeared to me alot of the time he was more interested in media than keeping his head down and staying quiet. Remember all the fuss he caused in 04 when fergal costello (captain) lost his place on the team so that meant Gary Ruane (vice captain) was the on the field captain but brady kicked up a fuss in the camp claiming he should be the captain!
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Post by: blast05 on November 05, 2007, 09:51:31 PM
QuoteHe explained that the one, single year Kerry had been waiting since their All-Ireland final loss to Tyrone had been more cutting and salty than the half-century of constant keening that accompanied Mayo teams. He explained Kerry's need had been greater.

I've read this line from O'Connor before and it is the most cutting painful reality of the whole lot.
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Post by: stephenite on November 05, 2007, 10:12:22 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on November 05, 2007, 03:19:32 PM
yes i agree he was a hrad player and gave his all but it just appeared to me alot of the time he was more interested in media than keeping his head down and staying quiet. Remember all the fuss he caused in 04 when fergal costello (captain) lost his place on the team so that meant Gary Ruane (vice captain) was the on the field captain but brady kicked up a fuss in the camp claiming he should be the captain!

That whole thing was a myth, there were several people involved in the set up that year that told me personally that there was no truth in any of it.

It always strikes me as interesting that people can say about that DB he gave his all and than make a comment about his media profile, what does that mean? Surely if you're content to say he did his best then you're satisfied that he couldn't do any more? What does his media profile have to do with anything?
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Post by: stephenite on November 05, 2007, 10:28:19 PM
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 05, 2007, 11:15:35 PM
I bought the book at the weekend. There are some great stories and some sad stories in the book. Keith Duggan writes some great stuff, especially about Mayo. He must have some connection to the county.... its a pity that the book is about our failures in past finals...but it is a great read for all Mayo fans. Tell Santa to send one down the chimney!
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Post by: Owenmoresider on November 06, 2007, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 05, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
Great result for Ballintubber on Saturday who defeated St. Farnans of Sligo by 1-9 to 0-7. This was done without two of their best players, with Alan Dillon away on holidays and Tom Earley out injured.
They are now through to the Connacht Final on 18th Nov where they play Moycullen of Galway. The match is in McHale Park, so hopefully a lot of Mayo supporters will turn out to give Ballintubber their support.
Were Farnan's any good Tubberman? Good result considering that ye were missing Dillon. Alas the mess that is the SFC here (16 teams like Mayo, except we only have 23 clubs!) ensures that our Intermediate reps are weak and getting weaker all the time. Next year's winners could be slaughtered.
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 06, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
Relegation battle looming

The Mayo GAA Leagues have been thrown into turmoil

Overview
Edwin McGreal

APPEALS submitted to the Connacht Council by three Mayo clubs could lead to the instant relegation of Castlebar Mitchels and Kiltane from Division 1 of the County Football League.
Shrule/Glencorrib, Louisburgh and Ballyhaunis have all submitted appeals set to be heard this Thursday night by the Connacht Council in Ballyhaunis against the County Board's format for relegation from the County League.
Castlebar were due to play Louisburgh and Shrule to play Kiltane on Sunday last in the Division 1 relegation play-offs but appeals submitted by the three clubs led to these games being postponed and the very real possibility that both Mitchels and Kiltane will go straight down to Division 2.
Ballyhaunis and Ballina B were also due to play in the Division 2 relegation play-off in the coming weeks. The other Division 2 play-off between Moygownagh and Carramore won't be played as Moygownagh withdrew earlier in the year and are therefore automatically relegated.
The appeals came on foot of October's County Board delegates meeting where Connacht Council Secretary, John Prenty, questioned the County Board's relegation procedures based on how these procedures were discussed and voted on at meetings last January and February.
Prenty asked at the October meeting in Castlebar if the County Board's relegation procedures would stand up to scrutiny on appeal.
The experienced administrator argued that because the January meeting had passed relegation procedures for the league to relegate the bottom team in each section, any change to this had to be accompanied by an amendment to the minutes of the January meeting, which wasn't done.
"The February meeting approved two different things with regard to relegation," Prenty said at the time, referring to the January proposals and the February proposal which decided on play-offs involving the bottom two in each section. "There needed to be an amendment to the original relegation standing passed by a two-thirds majority and this didn't happen."
Prenty's argument set the wheels in motion. Louisburgh would follow this up by querying the relegation procedures and when County Board secretary Seán Feeney replied by saying the play-offs would go ahead, Louisburgh submitted an appeal.
Subsequent appeals followed from Shrule/Glencorrib and John Prenty's own club, Ballyhaunis. It all means that the Connacht Council's Hearings Committee will convene this Thursday evening at 8.45pm in the Council's offices in Ballyhaunis to rule on the matter.
Mayo GAA Board secretary Seán Feeney is confident that they will receive a favourable outcome.
"No rules or regulations were passed at the January meeting," Feeney told The Mayo News. "Nothing was ratified then, that was all done at the second meeting. We're going to argue our case. We can't pre-empt what they (the hearings committee) will or won't do."
John Prenty was unwilling to comment on the issue due to his role with the Connacht Council but he did confirm that the hearings committee consists of two members from each of the five Connacht counties. The two Mayo members will be asked to step outside of the meeting on Thursday.
Mayo are likely to be represented by Seán Feeney and County Board Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas. Each of the three clubs are also expected to be represented on the evening.
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Post by: Tubberman on November 06, 2007, 02:07:34 PM
QuoteWere Farnan's any good Tubberman? Good result considering that ye were missing Dillon. Alas the mess that is the SFC here (16 teams like Mayo, except we only have 23 clubs!) ensures that our Intermediate reps are weak and getting weaker all the time. Next year's winners could be slaughtered.

I didn't actually get to Enniscrone as I am in Dublin, will be down for Connacht final though!
Abbeysider was at the game I think, he might be able to give you a bit more info on Farnan's, although from what I heard Ballintubber were comfortable enough and Farnan's didn't ever really look like winning.
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Post by: mannix on November 06, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
16 senior teams out of 23 clubs?
They should spread it more and make the lower teams in senior really work to be senior,i.e come up from junior or inter.
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 06, 2007, 02:43:37 PM
The way the mayo county board are going we will have disjointed senior set up in mayo as well in a few years where the leagues means nothing, look at islandeady, junior c\ship and playing division 1!!
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Post by: IolarCoisCuain on November 06, 2007, 03:45:39 PM
Keith Duggan has no connection with Mayo, as far as I know. He's just a very, very good GAA man and an excellent writer. The book is a must-buy.
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Post by: AbbeySider on November 06, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 06, 2007, 02:07:34 PM
QuoteWere Farnan's any good Tubberman? Good result considering that ye were missing Dillon. Alas the mess that is the SFC here (16 teams like Mayo, except we only have 23 clubs!) ensures that our Intermediate reps are weak and getting weaker all the time. Next year's winners could be slaughtered.

I didn't actually get to Enniscrone as I am in Dublin, will be down for Connacht final though!
Abbeysider was at the game I think, he might be able to give you a bit more info on Farnan's, although from what I heard Ballintubber were comfortable enough and Farnan's didn't ever really look like winning.

Farnans were weak enough, we were missing Tom Early, John Feeney and Alan Dillon and still managed a comfortable enough win. Paul Early was excellent and the backs did very well considering we were missing our Full back and Centre back... Up front, nearly all the forwards got on the score sheet with Vinney Keane standing out the most.

Owenmoresider, What are Moycullen like? I know they have the Clancey brothers...
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Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 06, 2007, 07:27:12 PM
I'm just on the thread lads to tell ye I saw Keith Duggan's book on Mayo in Easons at lunchtime. Thought I'd let ye know as I didn't even know he was doing a book. Should be a good read as Duggan is an excellent writer. I spent a good 20 minutes flicking through it.

He even does a chapter on the Mayo/Galway rivalry. Only read a small part of it though.
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Post by: Owenmoresider on November 06, 2007, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: mannix on November 06, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
16 senior teams out of 23 clubs?
They should spread it more and make the lower teams in senior really work to be senior,i.e come up from junior or inter.
Of course they should. But they managed to mess up the attempts this year (the aim was 12-12-whatever in the JFC by 2009) by not getting everything in order, and one of the relegated clubs, who have pull in Connacht circles like one of the parties to the Mayo leagues issue, went there and won their case and rightly so. But it's not doing the club scene any favours. I mean if we got ourselves together and gave it a go we could challenge for the Intermediate, and that doesn't say a whole lot for its standard. Hopefully it will be sort itself out soon, and we might get a credible Junior grade - even if it means us getting familiarised with it again.

One thing should come out of all these shenanigans, both here and in Mayo - that league and championship status should be tied in together, and not allow teams to pay scant regard to the league, scrape a win in C'ship and be safe year in year out. Does nobody any good.

Abbeysider - I don't know where Moycullen is, never mind whether they are any good! Mind you if they were senior for a good while they can't be too bad, and Clancy would be as important to them as Dillon to ye I guess. Looked like a good win over the Ros crowd anyway.
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Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 06, 2007, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 06, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 06, 2007, 02:07:34 PM
QuoteWere Farnan's any good Tubberman? Good result considering that ye were missing Dillon. Alas the mess that is the SFC here (16 teams like Mayo, except we only have 23 clubs!) ensures that our Intermediate reps are weak and getting weaker all the time. Next year's winners could be slaughtered.

I didn't actually get to Enniscrone as I am in Dublin, will be down for Connacht final though!
Abbeysider was at the game I think, he might be able to give you a bit more info on Farnan's, although from what I heard Ballintubber were comfortable enough and Farnan's didn't ever really look like winning.

Farnans were weak enough, we were missing Tom Early, John Feeney and Alan Dillon and still managed a comfortable enough win. Paul Early was excellent and the backs did very well considering we were missing our Full back and Centre back... Up front, nearly all the forwards got on the score sheet with Vinney Keane standing out the most.

Owenmoresider, What are Moycullen like? I know they have the Clancey brothers...

Moycullen is about 8 miles north-west of Galway city. Technically they are a Gaeltacht side so their names will be in Irish in the programme.

Pol Macfhlannacha pulls all the strings for them from centre-back obviously.

Haven't seen them recently but they were apparently by far the best intermediate team this year. A fairly young side I believe. The only other player they have on the Galway panel is Gearoid Breadseach who is still U-21 I think. They beat St Dominic's from Roscommon 3-12 to 0-9 last Saturday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 07, 2007, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 06, 2007, 08:52:21 PM

Moycullen is about 8 miles north-west of Galway city. Technically they are a Gaeltacht side so their names will be in Irish in the programme.

Pol Macfhlannacha pulls all the strings for them from centre-back obviously.

Haven't seen them recently but they were apparently by far the best intermediate team this year. A fairly young side I believe. The only other player they have on the Galway panel is Gearoid Breadseach who is still U-21 I think. They beat St Dominic's from Roscommon 3-12 to 0-9 last Saturday.

Yeah I heard they were very strong this year, beating before and after them in the Galway Intermediate championship.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 08, 2007, 12:02:06 PM
Duggan is from Ballyshannon but has a hankering for Mayo football. Bought the book and from what I have read so far it is superb stuff.
Chapter on Ted Webb is really powerful stuff. For those of us who were born after his sudden death it gives a real insight into how tragic his death was to Mayo football, to the town of Ballyhaunis and, of course, to his family.
Excellent material too from Padraig Carney and Paddy Prendergast on 50 and 51 and some very honest stuff from Johnno on his 'relationship' with John Maughan. Can't wait to get back into it!
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 08, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Does Johno not get on with Maughan???

What does it day in the book
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Post by: AbbeySider on November 08, 2007, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on November 08, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Does Johno not get on with Maughan???

What does it day in the book


Jez dont answer that question! Im going to buy the book and dont want any SPOILERS!!! Send him a PM instead!
;)  ;D
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Post by: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 08, 2007, 01:24:49 PM
Johnno will be addressing the Trinity College GAA Soc next Wednesday night, November 14, on the issue of 'Motivation.'

He will be speaking in the Swift Theatre and it starts at 8.00pm.

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Post by: mannix on November 08, 2007, 02:17:19 PM
Lets hope it works better on them than it did on Mayo last summer.
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Post by: Onion Bag on November 08, 2007, 03:09:30 PM
Mayo Lads,

There is a chap on the Hoganstand site going by the name of Ball Boy, He is a w**ker, really getting up everyones noses, If anyone of you know him, would you mind hitting him a slap and tell him to catch a grip  ;)
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Post by: FL/MAYO on November 08, 2007, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 08, 2007, 03:09:30 PM
Mayo Lads,

There is a chap on the Hoganstand site going by the name of Ball Boy, He is a w**ker, really getting up everyones noses, If anyone of you know him, would you mind hitting him a slap and tell him to catch a grip  ;)

Its because of idots like him that I do not read the Hogan Stand message board anymore.
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Post by: mannix on November 08, 2007, 03:44:05 PM
I think he is a set up to keep the show going because its a fairly dull old board.Him and whiterbananas are one and the same.Nobody in Mayo thinks we are that good.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on November 08, 2007, 03:45:14 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 08, 2007, 03:09:30 PM
Mayo Lads,

There is a chap on the Hoganstand site going by the name of Ball Boy, He is a w**ker, really getting up everyones noses, If anyone of you know him, would you mind hitting him a slap and tell him to catch a grip  ;)

ballbag more like it, don't start talking about hime here or he will think he is a celebrity
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 08, 2007, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: mannix on November 08, 2007, 02:17:19 PM
Lets hope it works better on them than it did on Mayo last summer.

Regardless, all are welcome, and it should be an interesting night.  On the issue of Keith Duggan's book, I popped out to buy it today.  I couldn't find it in Waterstones on Dawson St at all, and didn't really want to buy it there after I noticed that they don't even list 'Sport' among the departments in their store.
So I went across the road to Hodges Figgis, where I was informed that - I am not making this up -  it could be found in the 'Irish Humour' section.

Duggan gives whoever designed the cover an acknowledgement at the back of the book, but the cover is an abject disaster.    I can identify Kevin O'Neill, but am unsure as to who is to his right (Brady?).  It does, however, look a good read.



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Post by: Onion Bag on November 08, 2007, 04:13:18 PM
Aye i dont read it anymore myself, I would flick on the odd time just to see the sort of shite that is being posted,
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Post by: Owenmoresider on November 08, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 08, 2007, 03:57:56 PM
So I went across the road to Hodges Figgis, where I was informed that - I am not making this up -  it could be found in the 'Irish Humour' section.
Must have been a Galwegian stocking those books up there then. :P
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Post by: mannix on November 08, 2007, 05:59:34 PM
It must have been, after all they are in a position where they can laugh at MAYO.
The cover picture was taken before the floodlights were installed.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 09, 2007, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 08, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 08, 2007, 03:57:56 PM
So I went across the road to Hodges Figgis, where I was informed that - I am not making this up -  it could be found in the 'Irish Humour' section.
Must have been a Galwegian stocking those books up there then. :P

T'was actually a yank.  Speed read most of it last night.  It's pretty much what you'd exect. It's good, but if you start it late a night you'll still be racing through it at 3am.  A couple of silly factual errors though, such as Jimmy Browne passing to Sean Lowry for the goal in the Connacht final of 85, instead of Jimmy Burke.  It's anorak stuff, but it you're gonna mention things like that, tis best to get it right.

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Post by: billy the kid on November 09, 2007, 01:10:17 PM
I think the GPA should be ashamed of themselves they are undermining everything the GAA stands for.  What they are asking for is Pay for |Play dressed up in fancy clothes.

They are an elitist Organisation who are only concerned with themselves and I firmly believe its a case of a few leading the many.

Don't get me wrong i totally agree with players being treated well and looked after if they get injured but they are always looking for more and more.

Currently every season inter-county players in Derry get:

2 pairs of boots
2 full kits a season,
2 full sets of training gear. (1 wet and 1 normal)
1 rain jacket
1 zip up top
1 jumper
2 polo shirts
1 tracksuit
Home training Equipment
Free access to state of the art gym

All the above are official Derry gear from O neills with emblems and crests and this is only the gear I KNOW FOR CERTAIN they get!

Also they have access to a top class physio, team doctor dietician and heart screening facilities.

they receive meals after ALL games and on the way to away games

they get fed after every training

and they also get VERY GOOD rebates on their mileage expenses.

Again these are jut the things i KNOW FOR CERTAIN!!

for each national league game they receive 4 passes each allowing friends and family to gain admission to the games for FREE and the passes can be used for both hurling and football even if only involved in one code.

They receive at least 2 and sometimes more FREE tickets for ALL championship matches they are involved in

They receive 2 good tickets for the all Ireland final in their code (hurling or football) for FREE

Before the club championship begins they receive a pass allowing them to gain FREE entry to ALL championship matches within the county in EITHER code at ANY level
 
The above list was given to me when I asked a PRESENT COUNTY PLAYER from our club about conditions at inter-county level.

I don't think anyone would begrudge them these things as the gear and medical farcicalities are a MUST and so are the mileage expenses and the meals.

The other stuff are added perks and again I would say Just right they are training very hard and giving a big commitment to Our County.

Looking at the list I would say our county players are fairly well looked after wouldn't you? And this is just the example of our county alot of other counties like Armagh and Tyrone get even more gear and perks which again is fair enough.

But to ask for money and to make out that they are so hard done by and listening to some of their leaders you'd think some were hardly fit to feed themselves and on the way to financial ruin is an absolute myth and border line lie!!

What ever happened to being proud to play for your county and pride in the jersey? That used to be enough to make people play for their counties.

Has Pride and honour fallen of the radar of the GPA in their obsession with self-worth and self-gain.
If pride in the jersey and being honoured to represent your County plus the list i have supplied aren't enough to make individuals play for OUR county teams do we really want them to? The type of character who would undermine the very fabric of our great organisation to line his own pockets.   

I was also informed by the County player from my own Club that most county players don't want to strike but are being openly pressurised to do so. Is this Democracy?

Its also evident the GPA are so far removed from the grassroots GAA and the supporters that they haven't noticed that the vast majority are strongly against it, but why would they listen to us mere mortals?

Down Manager Ross Carr has the right idea:

If these prima donnas strike and refuse to play Each County should find a panel of players who will represent their counties for pride honour and the other perks i listed. There would be a stampede to trials and it would totally negate the strike and render their actions futile and meaningless.

We cannot let the elitist few hold the rest of us to ransom while they try to gain financially for doing what most TRUE Gaels consider an Honour and a privilege – PLAY FOR YOUR COUNTY 
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Post by: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 09, 2007, 01:27:23 PM
wrong thread, I think
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Post by: billy the kid on November 09, 2007, 01:34:20 PM
Not at all. I have used the example of My own County Derry but the GPA and their self-serving agenda towards pay for play affects us GAA people everywhere we cannot let them dictate to us or lead us down a road that undermines the many to serve the few.
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Post by: mannix on November 09, 2007, 01:42:47 PM
Definetly wrong thread billy.
But a very well put together piece.Players cannot be paid except for maybe the holiday type pay or the like or if they get hurt they should be taken care of.
We are too small in population to start paying teams and creating a premiership type scenario.
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Post by: billy the kid on November 09, 2007, 01:49:30 PM
I agree but someone tell the GPA!!  they want pay for play but are calling it a grant. 

Do you not think they get enough already

and if its to much for them quit nobody is making them play and we will definately find enough replacements
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Post by: Owenmoresider on November 12, 2007, 12:01:16 AM
Lads, did Crossmolina win the Division 1 final? They were six up when I heard it on MWR. Garrymore won the Division 2 final, and someone won Division 3, but I can't rememmber who.
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Post by: stephenite on November 12, 2007, 01:59:06 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 12, 2007, 12:01:16 AM
Lads, did Crossmolina win the Division 1 final? They were six up when I heard it on MWR. Garrymore won the Division 2 final, and someone won Division 3, but I can't rememmber who.

Didn't hear anything, but fair play to them, they're the only club to take the league seriously - they're racked up a fair few titles in the last 10 years. We haven't won a league since the late sixties, because no one is that bothered with it.
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Post by: StoneWall on November 12, 2007, 08:36:50 AM
Mayo Senior Football League Finals:

Division 1: Ballaghaderreen 1-7, Crossmolina 2-14
Division 2: Garrymore 2-5, Islandeady 1-6
Division 3: Acaill 0-11, Ardnaree 0-10

Bord na nOg Under 17 Competition Finals
A: Ballaghaderren 1-6, Aghamore 2-13
B: Crossmolina 2-12, Davitts 2-14
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Post by: ludermor on November 12, 2007, 09:27:52 AM
Any word on the relegation play off?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 12, 2007, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: ludermor on November 12, 2007, 09:27:52 AM
Any word on the relegation play off?

I thought there was a meeting on Friday night to decide whats happening?
Does anyone know what happened at it ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 13, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 12, 2007, 01:59:06 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 12, 2007, 12:01:16 AM
Lads, did Crossmolina win the Division 1 final? They were six up when I heard it on MWR. Garrymore won the Division 2 final, and someone won Division 3, but I can't rememmber who.

Didn't hear anything, but fair play to them, they're the only club to take the league seriously - they're racked up a fair few titles in the last 10 years. We haven't won a league since the late sixties, because no one is that bothered with it.

yea great achievment by the lads i think its the 7th league in the last 12 years fair play to the lads especially after the way we got knocked out in the championship. i don't know about ballina not been bothered about it stephenite i was talking to Liam Mc and it really annoys him that he hasn't got a league title
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 13, 2007, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 13, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 12, 2007, 01:59:06 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 12, 2007, 12:01:16 AM
Lads, did Crossmolina win the Division 1 final? They were six up when I heard it on MWR. Garrymore won the Division 2 final, and someone won Division 3, but I can't rememmber who.

Didn't hear anything, but fair play to them, they're the only club to take the league seriously - they're racked up a fair few titles in the last 10 years. We haven't won a league since the late sixties, because no one is that bothered with it.

yea great achievment by the lads i think its the 7th league in the last 12 years fair play to the lads especially after the way we got knocked out in the championship. i don't know about ballina not been bothered about it stephenite i was talking to Liam Mc and it really annoys him that he hasn't got a league title

Sure Ballina never have a full team for a league match they are nearly always missing players sure remember last year Liam Higgins had to play in goals
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Post by: Davitt Man on November 13, 2007, 01:01:16 PM
Mitchels and Kiltane await relegation fate

Edwin McGreal

CASTLEBAR Mitchels and Kiltane are this week waiting to hear whether they will be relegated to Division 2 of the County Leagues after last week's Connacht Council Hearings Committee ruled in favour of the three Mayo clubs who had challenged the county board's relegation procedures.
The new league structures introduced earlier this year eventually saw a set of relegation procedures adopted which would see the bottom two teams in Divisions 1A and 1B and 2A and 2B go into relegation play-offs. However, three clubs – Louisburgh, Shrule/Glencorrib and Ballyhaunis – challenged these structures.
They did so on the basis that an initial set of relegation plans, which would have seen the bottom team in each section automatically relegated, were not correctly rescinded before the play-offs format was adopted.
The clubs' appeal was upheld under Rule 152 (n) pursuant to Rule 97 of the GAA's Official Guide at last Thursday night's Hearings Committee meeting at the Connacht Council Offices in Ballyhaunis.
The success of the appeal now means that Kiltane and Castlebar, who finished bottom of Divisions 1A and 1B respectively, look set to be relegated straight to Division 2 despite assuming all year that finishing in the bottom two meant a play-off place at worst.
At the time of going to print (Monday), both clubs were waiting to hear from the County Board regarding their position. However, Mayo GAA Board Secretary, Seán Feeney, didn't sound optimistic for their chances on Friday last.
"From the decision that was made last night the relegation issue is fairly clear cut," Feeney told The Mayo News. "There'll be no play-offs and the bottom teams will go down. The board will naturally have to meet and consider what to do but that (relegation of the bottom teams) is the most likely outcome I think."
The Chairmen of the two clubs now looking like they will plummet straight to Division 2 are holding their fire until they receive official notification.
"We're in a bit of limbo. We have received no official communication from the County Board and we will have to wait for that before we know our position," Mitchels' chairman James Rocke told The Mayo News. "We played the league under a certain set of rules and we are now finding that a different set of rules might be implemented. We don't want to be pre-emptive though, we will wait for official communication."
"We just have to sit tight," explained Richie Cosgrove, chairman of Kiltane. "People have been coming up to me saying we should appeal this and that but we cannot appeal anything until we hear from the County Board. We've been aware all year that if we finished in the bottom two we would be in a play-off. That was always our understanding of it."
Mitchels were initially due to play Louisburgh in a relegation play-off and Kiltane to face Shrule prior to appeals being lodged by the two clubs. Ballyhaunis, who were due to play Ballina B to avoid relegation from Division 2, also appealed.
Peter Walsh, secretary of the Shrule/Glencorrib club, was content with the outcome of Thursday's meeting. "We're happy with how things worked out. We're relieved that it's over and we can look forward to 2008."
Walsh and Mattie Murphy were in attendance at the meeting on behalf of Shrule/Glencorrib. Louisburgh were represented by Michael O'Malley and James McDonnell, chairman and secretary respectively, while James Reidy (Assistant Secretary) and John Higgins (Registrar and intermediate team selector) were there on behalf of Ballyhaunis.
Reidy spoke on behalf of the three clubs while the Mayo County Board was represented by secretary, Seán Feeney and chairman of the activities committee, Paddy McNicholas.
Sligo's Andy Hannon was chairperson of the eight man hearings committee.
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Post by: The Lord of Luuuvre on November 13, 2007, 04:26:28 PM
Didn't the Mayo scretary's job recently become a paid part-time position?  I think there's grounds for a strike here.   ;D
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Post by: Barney on November 14, 2007, 08:07:05 AM
Anyone go to the trial game at the weekend between the seniors and u21s. It was mentioned in the Western last week.
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Post by: highking on November 15, 2007, 02:11:55 AM
It's all Irish to Pearce
10:39 AM Thu 15 November, 2007 for lions.com.au

The Lions' newest recruit Pearce Hanley is the latest in a growing trend of Gaelic footballers looking to make the successful transition to the AFL. Hanley, who hails from the small dairy town of Ballaghaderreen in County Mayo, has already begun his steep AFL learning curve after being signed by the Lions on a two-year international rookie contract.

The 18 year-old, who only arrived in Australia on Friday, wasn't phased as he fronted to media with team mate and fellow Irishman Colm Begley for the first time prior to Wednesday's training session. "I've never played a proper game of Aussie Rules but seeing Colm and others make it out here is massive encouragement to keep at it," Hanley said. The sport is not entirely foreign to the Ballaghaderreen Gaelic player who regularly watched his homeland heroes play in the AFL on television back in Ireland.

He also played in the hybrid 2006 Under 17 International Rules Series in Fremantle where he first shot to prominence by winning the Ron Barassi Medal as Ireland's best player. "I like the physical part of football with the tackling and the fact that you get rewarded for taking a mark," he said. "But it's all new and I'm sure to find out plenty more during training."

Touted as a good user of the ball with excellent pace, Hanley showcased his skills with the oval ball for the first time at Monday's training session at Churchie. "Sometimes when I bounce the ball it will come back up to me. But the next time I try it won't and I end up running after it," Hanley laughed. "But I feel like I'm getting used to it."

Fortunately, Hanley has an ally in compatriot Begley, who was in a similar position two years ago. Begley arrived in Brisbane at the end of 2005 with a Gaelic football background and only a very basic understanding of the sport. His extraordinary development has seen him play 21 senior matches in his two seasons with the club.

It is no surprise that Begley has been the perfect sounding board for Hanley as he tries to prepare for transition from Gaelic football to the AFL. "I have basically mentioned that dedication and a good mindset are very important to deal with the huge learning curve of new skills and the unfamiliar bounce of the ball at high speed," Begley said. "When I first starter, I found that the biggest challenges were definitely the speed of the game and the fact that you really can't afford to make any mistakes. But the good thing about it is that you get to start from scratch and you don't bring in any bad habits with you," Begley said.


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Post by: stephenite on November 15, 2007, 03:02:43 AM
Quote from: highking on November 15, 2007, 02:11:55 AM
It's all Irish to Pearce
10:39 AM Thu 15 November, 2007 for lions.com.au

The Lions' newest recruit Pearce Hanley is the latest in a growing trend of Gaelic footballers looking to make the successful transition to the AFL. Hanley, who hails from the small dairy town of Ballaghaderreen in County Mayo, has already begun his steep AFL learning curve after being signed by the Lions on a two-year international rookie contract.

The 18 year-old, who only arrived in Australia on Friday, wasn't phased as he fronted to media with team mate and fellow Irishman Colm Begley for the first time prior to Wednesday's training session. "I've never played a proper game of Aussie Rules but seeing Colm and others make it out here is massive encouragement to keep at it," Hanley said. The sport is not entirely foreign to the Ballaghaderreen Gaelic player who regularly watched his homeland heroes play in the AFL on television back in Ireland.

He also played in the hybrid 2006 Under 17 International Rules Series in Fremantle where he first shot to prominence by winning the Ron Barassi Medal as Ireland's best player. "I like the physical part of football with the tackling and the fact that you get rewarded for taking a mark," he said. "But it's all new and I'm sure to find out plenty more during training."

Touted as a good user of the ball with excellent pace, Hanley showcased his skills with the oval ball for the first time at Monday's training session at Churchie. "Sometimes when I bounce the ball it will come back up to me. But the next time I try it won't and I end up running after it," Hanley laughed. "But I feel like I'm getting used to it."

Fortunately, Hanley has an ally in compatriot Begley, who was in a similar position two years ago. Begley arrived in Brisbane at the end of 2005 with a Gaelic football background and only a very basic understanding of the sport. His extraordinary development has seen him play 21 senior matches in his two seasons with the club.

It is no surprise that Begley has been the perfect sounding board for Hanley as he tries to prepare for transition from Gaelic football to the AFL. "I have basically mentioned that dedication and a good mindset are very important to deal with the huge learning curve of new skills and the unfamiliar bounce of the ball at high speed," Begley said. "When I first starter, I found that the biggest challenges were definitely the speed of the game and the fact that you really can't afford to make any mistakes. But the good thing about it is that you get to start from scratch and you don't bring in any bad habits with you," Begley said.



Cue mayhem from the sheepstealers - but it is interesting to note that surely the writer of this piece wouldn't have a breeze where Ballagh is, so he has obviously asked young Hanley, quite an interesting answer considering the Rossies swear blind he's a died in the wool Sheepstealer at heart.  ;D
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Post by: mrroscommonman on November 15, 2007, 05:11:29 PM
wat a joke, u always get hammered!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on November 19, 2007, 08:07:54 AM
Painful weekend for Ballina in the hurling final. No suprise. The achievement was in getting there. Hopefully the footballers can step up to the mark on next Sunday.

How did Ballintubber get on?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on November 19, 2007, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: Barney on November 19, 2007, 08:07:54 AM
Painful weekend for Ballina in the hurling final. No suprise. The achievement was in getting there. Hopefully the footballers can step up to the mark on next Sunday.

How did Ballintubber get on?

Not surprised I suppose, went to bed hoping in that sort of hopeless way, 15 men against 15 and you never know etc. Fantastic achievement to get to the final and here's hoping next weekend has a happier ending, gonna be tough though
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Post by: StoneWall on November 19, 2007, 08:37:51 AM
Very disappointing weekend for Mayo on the club front...

Ballina James Stephens 0-7 Portumna 6-23
Ballintubber 1-8 Moycullen 3-11
Achill 0-8 Gort 2-6
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on November 19, 2007, 09:34:04 AM
Yeah, disappointing weekend.
I was at the Ballintubber v Moycullen match, and Moycullen were by far the better team.
They were extremely well organised. They were first to every break, gave Ballintubber no time on the ball, and most importantly, they made great runs so that the man with the ball always had options.
They just seemed far more experienced than a young Ballintubber team (Vinne Keane apart!). Moycullen had been a senior team for years and it showed. Hopefully Ballintubber will have learnt what to expect when next years championship comes around.
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Post by: stephenite on November 19, 2007, 11:03:08 AM
Hard luck Tubberman  - still a good season for ye, and as you said the experience gained will be huge
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 19, 2007, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 19, 2007, 09:34:04 AM
Yeah, disappointing weekend.
I was at the Ballintubber v Moycullen match, and Moycullen were by far the better team.
They were extremely well organised. They were first to every break, gave Ballintubber no time on the ball, and most importantly, they made great runs so that the man with the ball always had options.
They just seemed far more experienced than a young Ballintubber team (Vinne Keane apart!). Moycullen had been a senior team for years and it showed. Hopefully Ballintubber will have learnt what to expect when next years championship comes around.

You said it all there Tubberman. Moycullen were pure class. Bradshaw ruled midfield and took some great scores. They have some finest forwards I have ever seen on an Intermediate team. Everyone of their forwards were dangerous and ran riot with our defence at times. Their passing and fitness was exceptional.

Its a pity about the soft goal that came from the high ball and if Tom Early and John Feeney were fit then it could have been a different story but I still think Moycullen would have had too much for us. Id defiantly back them for the Intermediate All Ireland.
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Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 19, 2007, 03:23:14 PM
How did Paul Clancy play lads? And Gareth Bradsaw? A lot was expected of Bradsaw when he was a minor but he hasn't broken through yet although he's still very young and has time on his side.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 19, 2007, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 19, 2007, 03:23:14 PM
How did Paul Clancy play lads? And Gareth Bradsaw? A lot was expected of Bradsaw when he was a minor but he hasn't broken through yet although he's still very young and has time on his side.


Gareth Bradshaw was unreal. He is a fine mid-fielder and he took some wonderful scores. Moycullen ran riot in midfield at times. Clancy had a good game too. Everything he did with the ball was effective.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on November 19, 2007, 04:02:59 PM
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on Today at 03:23:14 PM
How did Paul Clancy play lads? And Gareth Bradsaw? A lot was expected of Bradsaw when he was a minor but he hasn't broken through yet although he's still very young and has time on his side.



Gareth Bradshaw was unreal. He is a fine mid-fielder and he took some wonderful scores. Moycullen ran riot in midfield at times. Clancy had a good game too. Everything he did with the ball was effective.

And I thought No 10 was excellent - Brian Faherty I think. He was out in front of his man all day and dragged Paul Earley over and back across the pitch. Likewise number 11, they are an extremely fit team. Clancy didn't break forward much or do anything spectacular, but he was pinging his passes around very effectively. A few lovely kicked passes.
Anyway, that's enough praise to be giving to a Galway team ;) 
(They deserve it though)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 19, 2007, 04:54:27 PM
QuoteClancy didn't break forward much or do anything spectacular, but he was pinging his passes around very effectively. A few lovely kicked passes.

Yeah I believe he's more of a playmaker these days with the club ever since the knee injury. Wouldn't be quite as mobile as he once was. Was always an interlligent player though so he makes up for it in other ways.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on November 20, 2007, 11:47:05 AM
God bless us all, a galway hurling team beat a mayo football team. Achill maybe its time to shut up and do some more training.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on November 20, 2007, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: stephenite on November 15, 2007, 03:02:43 AM
Quote from: highking on November 15, 2007, 02:11:55 AM
It's all Irish to Pearce
10:39 AM Thu 15 November, 2007 for lions.com.au

The Lions' newest recruit Pearce Hanley is the latest in a growing trend of Gaelic footballers looking to make the successful transition to the AFL. Hanley, who hails from the small dairy town of Ballaghaderreen in County Mayo, has already begun his steep AFL learning curve after being signed by the Lions on a two-year international rookie contract.

The 18 year-old, who only arrived in Australia on Friday, wasn't phased as he fronted to media with team mate and fellow Irishman Colm Begley for the first time prior to Wednesday's training session. "I've never played a proper game of Aussie Rules but seeing Colm and others make it out here is massive encouragement to keep at it," Hanley said. The sport is not entirely foreign to the Ballaghaderreen Gaelic player who regularly watched his homeland heroes play in the AFL on television back in Ireland.

He also played in the hybrid 2006 Under 17 International Rules Series in Fremantle where he first shot to prominence by winning the Ron Barassi Medal as Ireland's best player. "I like the physical part of football with the tackling and the fact that you get rewarded for taking a mark," he said. "But it's all new and I'm sure to find out plenty more during training."

Touted as a good user of the ball with excellent pace, Hanley showcased his skills with the oval ball for the first time at Monday's training session at Churchie. "Sometimes when I bounce the ball it will come back up to me. But the next time I try it won't and I end up running after it," Hanley laughed. "But I feel like I'm getting used to it."

Fortunately, Hanley has an ally in compatriot Begley, who was in a similar position two years ago. Begley arrived in Brisbane at the end of 2005 with a Gaelic football background and only a very basic understanding of the sport. His extraordinary development has seen him play 21 senior matches in his two seasons with the club.

It is no surprise that Begley has been the perfect sounding board for Hanley as he tries to prepare for transition from Gaelic football to the AFL. "I have basically mentioned that dedication and a good mindset are very important to deal with the huge learning curve of new skills and the unfamiliar bounce of the ball at high speed," Begley said. "When I first starter, I found that the biggest challenges were definitely the speed of the game and the fact that you really can't afford to make any mistakes. But the good thing about it is that you get to start from scratch and you don't bring in any bad habits with you," Begley said.



Cue mayhem from the sheepstealers - but it is interesting to note that surely the writer of this piece wouldn't have a breeze where Ballagh is, so he has obviously asked young Hanley, quite an interesting answer considering the Rossies swear blind he's a died in the wool Sheepstealer at heart.  ;D


not quite mayhem from the sheepstealers, maybe they are learning! I know Pierce reasonably well and can guarantee he is a Mayo supporter through and through, hence why he says he's from Mayo. In fairness, given the 2 options it's hard to blame him  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on November 22, 2007, 02:36:44 PM
I see on hoganstand message board there are rumours that Tom Parsons is leaving Charlestown and joining Bellaghy/Curry so that he can play with Sligo.
Any truth in this, or is it just usual hoganstand fare?
Wasn't there an argument from Sligo posters that Parsons is really a Bellaghy man anyway and should never have been playing for Charlestown/Mayo etc.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on November 22, 2007, 03:06:52 PM
I think it must be fiction Tubberman. He has been training with Mayo and has played some games already this Autumn.

not sure if he's the real deal though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on November 22, 2007, 04:21:35 PM
that hoganstand is a joke, dont heed them message boards, a bunch of fools most of them, the last month it has been non stop achill talk!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 22, 2007, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: Barney on November 14, 2007, 08:07:05 AM
Anyone go to the trial game at the weekend between the seniors and u21s. It was mentioned in the Western last week.


Im wondering Barney is that Next Years U-21 team or this years?
Sorry for the confusion but im thinking it was this years U-21 team. What month do nest years U-21 squad get together?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on November 23, 2007, 02:45:13 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 22, 2007, 02:36:44 PM
Wasn't there an argument from Sligo posters that Parsons is really a Bellaghy man anyway and should never have been playing for Charlestown/Mayo etc.
That much is true, but I suspect the rumour is exactly that. Charlestown aren't going that bad in fairness, and Curry have a lot of talent coming through, and should win a fair bit over the next few years, but I couldn't see him coming 'home'.

Re Hoganshite - don't heed it (though the Jordan speculation proved correct to be fair), sure this week there's loads of comments about a Brogan lad from Curry U20's, describing him as the next big thing and all that, who allegedly destroyed Harps in the U20 c'ship last week, scoring a mighty 1-1 from FF. Some pleb even texted Newstalk about him! These trends to mention individuals on HS tend to drag for a while and for no apparent reason, as I know too well myself.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Greenabovethered on November 24, 2007, 03:10:16 PM
Tom Parsons lives across the border in Bellaghy but went to school in Charlestown and played underage for Charlestown. At least 5 of the Charlestown senior squad live in Bellaghy. Traditionally Bellaghy residents always play with Charlestown. Every so often the issue arises that they should be playing for Curry and Sligo. Over the years one or two residents have donned the Curry colours and the black and white of Sligo, usually as the result of a dispute rather than any great loyalty to the Yeats county. Charlestown being on the border of Sligo has a smaller parish and smaller pick as a result.

Whether T Parsons is the real deal or not is still out with the jury. He is a great talent and a gifted footballer. His faults are a Ciaran Whelanesque ability to disappear out of  games and a lack of a mean streak for intercounty midfield. Although i think he can be coached to be a better played as he has all the basics. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 28, 2007, 09:05:53 AM
Brady delighted with Connacht victory
27 November 2007

Ballina and Mayo talisman David Brady admits winning the Connacht title in "probably his last" year makes the success all that bit sweeter.

The Mayo kingpins defeated defending Connacht champions St.Brigid's on Sunday in the Connacht final and Brady is elated with the sides achievement. The midfielder also had a special mention for his colleague Ronan McGarrity.

"It's fantastic, it's a great feeling and all the more so because it's probably my last one,"  ::)  ::)  explained Brady.

"You look at Ronan McGarrity and all that he has been through this year, it's amazing. It was a team effort. We have battled-we battled through there and, at the end of the day, we won the Connacht title.

"After losing at the semi-final stage last year we were hurt and we were just looking for a Connacht title, that's what we're happy with now," concluded Brady


What a hero...  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on November 28, 2007, 01:19:32 PM
Mitchels and Kiltane appeal relegation

Edwin McGreal

BOTH Castlebar Mitchels and Kiltane have submitted appeals to the Connacht Council against their relegation to Division 2 of the County Leagues.
Both clubs submitted their appeals late last week against the decision of the Mayo GAA Board to relegate them to Division 2 after Kiltane finished bottom of Division 1A and Castlebar were left propping up Division 1B.
The two clubs were initially informed earlier this year that they would have a safety net of a play-off game with the second bottom team in the corresponding division to try to avoid relegation.
These were the rules as published in the Mayo GAA handbook but a successful appeal into the relegation procedures by Louisburgh and Shrule/Glencorrib (who finished second bottom in Division 1A and 1B respectively and Ballyhaunis, who finished second bottom in Division 2B) resulted in the play-off procedures being scrapped.
This resulted in the County Board informing both Castlebar Mitchels and Kiltane that they would be relegated but both clubs have lodged similar appeals challenging this.
Castlebar Mitchels chairman James Rocke was reluctant to be drawn on the details of his club's appeal but he told The Mayo News that he was confident that Castlebar would be successful.
"We're unhappy with the decision to relegate us, we feel it is in breach of the rules for the league for this year that we played under," said Rocke. "We wouldn't be appealing if we thought we had absolutely no chance of winning. We feel we have a case and we would like for that to be heard," said Rocke, who also confirmed that his club had communicated with Kiltane about the appeal both clubs were submitting.
The Mayo News understands that both clubs are appealing on two grounds.
Firstly, they are believed to be appealing with regard to the fact that one game relevant to the relegation battle in the last round of the league was played at a later time on the day in question than all others (that being Claremorris v Ballina). The clubs argue that this gave Claremorris an unfair advantage as they knew what they had to do before the game while other teams didn't have that privilege.
This appeal is, naturally, of greater significance to Castlebar as they were in this same division.
The Mayo News understands that the other aspect of both Kiltane and Castlebar's appeal is based on the fact that when the County Board met to review the decision of the Connacht Council to uphold the appeal to the play-off procedures, a member of one of the clubs who had appealed to the provincial hearings committee sat in on the meeting.
Kiltane and Castlebar are arguing that the person in question should have stood out of the meeting.
The club's appeal could be heard later this week but is more likely to be held early next week.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on November 30, 2007, 12:37:38 PM
Just finished Duggan's book - cracking read I thought. Didn't realise Martin Carney had such strong roots in Mayo and nephew the legendary Jackie.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on December 01, 2007, 01:44:21 PM
Club Stars Awards Last Night:

Ballina (6)
Charlestown (4)
Knockmore (3)
Ballagh (1)
Ballintubber (1)
Player of the Year - McGarritty
Snr Top Scorer - DMunnelly
Snr Top Scorer from play - TMulligan
Inter Top Scorer - SMallee
Inter Top Scorer from play - AFreeman & DFeehan.

Team: DClarke; KGolden, MWynne, JBrogan; DHiggins, CLeonard, THowley; DTiernan, RMcGarritty; RHarran, TMulligan, ADillon; BRegan, DBrady, DMunelly Subs: NGibbons, SRochford, GRuane, SMallee, CMoran.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2007, 05:58:07 PM
I hear that James Gill is back in the panel. I cannot understand it at all.

PS, well done to Ballina in winning the Connacht final. Extra well done to Ronan McGarrity on being named club player of the year in Mayo after all he has been through. From a Knockmore man living virtually on the border with Ballina, I wish the Stephenites all the best in bringing Andy Merrigan to Mayo again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 03, 2007, 08:06:32 AM
Interesting team - 10 of the first 15 were not on the County panel last year! A startling statistic really - is it strength in depth or misguided selections by county managers over the last few years?

Farandeelin - what else can you tell us about the panel.

Gill had the ability as a young lad but disappointed. Lacked the pace and skill for the top-level. Maybe JOM can improve him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 03, 2007, 06:31:19 PM
Barney, I might be wrong about Gill. It's not every day I break news about the panel. I also heard that Conor Moran has been recalled. I might be wrong about that too and that the panel has been cut to around 30 players.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 04, 2007, 03:17:28 AM
Quote from: Barney on December 03, 2007, 08:06:32 AM
Interesting team - 10 of the first 15 were not on the County panel last year! A startling statistic really - is it strength in depth or misguided selections by county managers over the last few years?

I don't know that it's either Barney. The difference between even Mayo championship (one of the strongest in the country in my view) and Senior Inter County is quite big, how many of those on the All Stars team that haven't been involved would you give a run to? Many have had run outs and it didn't work out for them.

Kenny Golden -  fantastic player, had a run out with Holmes during the league a few years back, having a great season but the wrong side of 30 (just!!)
Martin Wynne - Should be playing for Mayo, fantastic talent. Doesn't care for playing at Inter county apparently - fair enough
John Brogan - Another great footballer, size counts against him in my view, we've enough with experience with small corner backs getting destroyed at the highest level.
Dermot Higgins - Has had a few runs before if memory serves me correctly, nice club footballer, worth a run again perhaps?
Colm Leonard - Great consistent club footballer, not sure he'd be able to make the step up, could be worth a run in the FBD, I've yet to see anyone clean him.
D Tiernan - Been there done that, great servant and still very effective at club level.
R Haran - Don't know enough about this guy to comment, exile means I've not seen him play.could be worth a run in the FBD perhaps to see how he copes?
TMulligan - Ditto, reports that he's a fine player.
Munnelly - Great instinctive forward - has he gotten any bigger since I last saw him?


O'Mahoney has the knack of all good managers, which is turning one or two lads that we all thought were limited enough footballers into winners and legends. There's bound to be a couple lying around the plains of the yews that we're not thinking of - or they could be in the list above, just waiting for the opportunity........... it's what the FBD is for surely to God
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 04, 2007, 10:06:32 AM
Is the club stars based on senior and intermediate championship teams then?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 04, 2007, 03:26:59 PM
Mayo News...

Feeney calls for 'patience' after a disappointing year

Edwin McGreal

MAYO GAA Board Secretary Seán Feeney has called on Mayo supporters to show patience in the quest for Sam Maguire in the coming years.
Writing in his annual report to the Mayo GAA Convention which will take place next Monday in the Broadhaven Bay Hotel in Belmullet, Feeney urges caution as Mayo prepare for their second year of the second term under the management of John O'Mahony.
"The team for 2008 should show many changes and I expect youth will be given its fling," writes Feeney. "Surgery is needed if we are to build for the future. Patience will be required. All-Ireland expectations will have to be put on hold for a few years. Key positions on the team need to be strengthened if we are to make a serious challenge for All-Ireland titles.
"The first round against Galway on May 20 was a bitter disappointment. Despite intense preparation for the game Mayo played poorly and defensive errors saw us leak two goals which left us with a hill to climb."
On the opening of Croke Park to the sports of rugby and soccer, Feeney was effusive in his praise for those in the GAA who ensured such a day came to pass.
"The opening of Croke Park to other codes was a brave and bold decision which portrayed the association in a very good light. The games in our national stadium were emotional and historical and attracted worldwide attention.
"Cumann Lutchleas Gael should feel proud that they have a world class stadium and were prepared to share its magnificence with its competitors in the national interest. Lets salute the men who had the vision and the courage to see this project through to the end."
However, on the issue of the Gaelic Players Association and the current move towards the payment of grants towards inter-county players, the outspoken Mayo GAA official was less than happy.
"There is a growing demand for pay for play if one reads into the statements of some of the spokesmen for the GPA. A demand for a share of the TV rights money is just one example. The employment of gurus from the United Kingdom to advise them on strategy is another. The GPA has no interest in the club player."
Instead, Feeney says that the money being put aside for players grants could be put to better use and outlined how players could be looked after.
"The grant from the government should be ploughed straight into the player injury fund where all players would benefit. Rate per mile should increase to 70c. A lunch allowance of €10 per day of training. A holiday fund for each county senior team starting at €20,000 for first round participants and bonuses for progress."
Another topical issue for the Mayo County Board is the issue of appeals. The relegation procedures for the county leagues were successfully appealed this year on a technicality and Feeney is critical of the clubs who launched such appeals.
"Once again we had our leagues upset by petty appeals. Every avenue is now explored to avoid playing games and the rulebook has now become a minefield. The disciplinary system is in a mess with appeals, DRA and courts now the order of the day."
With the development of McHale Park set to go ahead in the coming months, the Mayo GAA Secretary highlighted the need for fund-raising for the project.
"The project is ready for tender and the finance is being put into place. It will require great patience and good management to see the project though. Fundraising will have to be a top priority and the more you raise in advance the less you have to borrow."
Clubs, Feeney said, would have to have a greater input into the player injury scheme.
"This is a very valuable scheme for all players - club and county - and must be retained. Taking the income and expenditure in this county into consideration it is quite clear that the contribution for senior teams must rise in order to meet the increased demands."
In a wide ranging report, the Ballintubber clubman also reflected on the Under 21, Minor, Under 16 and Junior grades as well as discussing the successes or otherwise of the club championships, the County Board draw, hurling, the supporters club, coaching, Bord na nÓg, Masters and sponsorship.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 04, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 04, 2007, 10:06:32 AM
Is the club stars based on senior and intermediate championship teams then?

It seems that way. I wonder did a junior club ever get one?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2007, 03:38:41 PM
When is the County convention this year?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 06, 2007, 08:20:26 AM
Nothing to get too excited about here

QuoteHopefuls shape up for Mayo
By: Anthony Hennigan

NOW that the threat of strike action has been averted following last week's resolution of the GAA player grants issue, focus can now return to on field matters and locally, the preparation of the Mayo footballers ahead of the 2008 season.

The FBD Insurance League commences as early as January 6, just four weeks from next Sunday, and the green and red have been granted home advantage for their opening Section 'A' clash with NUIG, the game scheduled for Flanagan Park, Ballinrobe. John Maughan's Roscommon and reigning champions Sligo IT are the other two teams in the group.


The make-up of John O'Mahony's squad for those three games (four, should they reach the final) is likely to be of an experimental nature with the manager confirming to the Western People that he does not intend settling on a squad for the National Football League until the completion of the FBD League.


However, it is known that management has cast its eyes over a large batch of 'new' players in recent weeks, in a number of challenge games and in-house trials. With that in mind, it's expected that many of those players to have received call-ups will be given game time once the FBD League comes around.


Among those thought to be under consideration are All-Ireland U-21 winners Chris Barrett (Belmullet), Colm Boyle (Davitts), Enda Varley (Garrymore) and Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy), along with Tom Parsons and Richard Haran (Charlestown), Colm Cafferkey and Donal Corrigan (Achill), Brian Benson (Crossmolina), John Prenty (Ballyhaunis), Kieran Conroy (Shrule/Glencorrib), Mickey Mullins (Claremorris), Sean Malee (Kiltimagh) and goalkeeper, Tom Higgins (Westport).


Connact Council, for the FBD League, operates a policy that allows third level teams have first call on three players per county, meaning that some of the above players may well feature for their college or university as opposed to Mayo. Nonetheless, O'Mahony seems sure to afford as many players as possible the opportunity to play their way into his plans.


One man definitely returning to the squad is Pat Kelly. An All-Ireland finalist with Mayo in '04 and '06, Kilmaine native Kelly was not involved in the set-up last season due to what the manager describes as "difficulties due to work commitments". The Dublin based Garda's return coincides with his sparking form during St Vincent's march to the Dublin senior football title and their subsequent run to the Leinster Club final.


Meanwhile, Mayo goalkeeper Kenneth O'Malley is in the midst of recovering from a serious injury that had him hospitalised for 10 days. The injury occurred whilst the Ballinrobe clubman featured for the University of Limerick in a game against the Garda College. His county team-mate, Aidan Kilcoyne, is also on the mend following a recent groin operation.


"At the moment we have players working on their own weight programmes and while we have a couple of meetings planned before Christmas, collective training won't begin in earnest until the New Year," John O'Mahony told the Western People, also expressing his satisfaction now that the GPA, GAA, government and Irish Sports Council had reached an historic agreement that will see senior inter-county players pocket between •1,400 and •2,600 in grants, depending on the championship progress of their team.


"It's a relief for everybody. The issue went for so long without resolution and then there was that threat of strike action hanging over the association. Nobody wanted uncertainty heading into the New Year, nor anything that that was going to be divisive so it's good news all round. Now everyone can concentrate on the real business of playing," he commented.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 06, 2007, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: Barney on December 06, 2007, 08:20:26 AM
Nothing to get too excited about here

Colm Cafferkey and Donal Corrigan (Achill)

Is this some kind of joke? If it isnt its desperately disappointing.   :-[  :-\  :'(  :o

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 06, 2007, 11:56:35 AM
no the like of Donal Corrigan is what we want to see at this stage in the year. Its the real test of a manager to spot potential in player no one else take much heed of . I think that is one way mayo under age player have a high profile could harm the county team . If they werent great minors or u 21 they have an up hill struggle to make their mark.
Lets all just wait and see how JOM handle things this year before deciding to grt rid of him in June
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 06, 2007, 12:24:32 PM
Quote[Lets all just wait and see how JOM handle things this year before deciding to grt rid of him in June/quote]

Two rosnarun's, there's only two rosnarun's.........
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 06, 2007, 01:21:44 PM
If JOM has them there its for a reason, they must have some degree of promise. I think that a lad can raise his game if his confidence is raised by management, i remember seeing a lad that was sub for 2 years and was very poor come out and be a great player when a new manager took over, he would never contest a ball with the other management but would die for one with a bit of pep talking.
I believe JOM and co know whats the best route, expect a stronger Mayo next summer for sure.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on December 06, 2007, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 06, 2007, 09:14:59 AM

Colm Cafferkey and Donal Corrigan (Achill)

Is this some kind of joke? If it isnt its desperately disappointing.   :-[  :-\  :'(  :o

By your tone Abbeysider I take it you reckon there are other players (probably Ballintubber ones no doubt?) that you think should be there instead of them. Examples please...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 08, 2007, 11:44:06 AM
Any one hear James Waldron on Matt cooper show last night saying that the county board was against handing out the grants to the players  he was going on about the clubs ect, the thing about it is the county board don't give 2 fcuks about club nor the players . Why is it if they care so much about the clubs they keep 90% of all club receipts also he said the expenses for the county board were 700k last year, where was that money spent on the gave feck all to hurling and the football was over in may so someone somewhere is getting a nice few bob, and then to cap it all off we in mayo have a Paid secrtary . :'(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on December 08, 2007, 03:20:03 PM
Deel Rover, you are on the ball there. "Dont pay the county players becuase its affects clubs", Our beloved county board dont give a shit about clubs,county hurling or county football teams. Its all about protecting their own patch,ducking and diving to maintain the status quo. Would our county board delegates be willing to give up the trip to New York or London every couple of years to keep costs down....i dont think so. This smells of double standards and a fear that county players would have more importance than the blazers. As regards our county secretary getting paid... look at all the good work he does i.e relegation debacle in Mayo, getting gaa involved in the Nally case and so on.....it just shows up the agenda of self interest and preservation even more.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 08, 2007, 03:46:21 PM
Yes an gaelgoir they give the impression that they are making a statement on behalf of all club members . i don't agree with the grants or what the gpa stands for but the county board in mayo is a f**king joke as you said all they care about is their own patch. The way the players in mayo were treated by the county board last year was a joke bringing them to play in cork and not stay over night in order to keep expenses down and then have them play club matches the following day sure you wouldn't do it to a dog. If the county board spent 700k last year the real questions that needs to be addressed is where that money was spent.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 09, 2007, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on December 06, 2007, 08:36:08 PM

By your tone Abbeysider I take it you reckon there are other players (probably Ballintubber ones no doubt?) that you think should be there instead of them. Examples please...


Dont put words into my mouth.
Did I mention anything about Ballintubber players ??
I am disappointed; I saw Achill play a few times recently and no one stood out to me.
I didnt think any of them were anywhere near county standard. But thanks for the concern.  ;)

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: billy the kid on December 10, 2007, 03:06:36 PM
http://www.ofonebelief.org/

Get registered boys its our chance to show the prima donnas what we think and to stop the central council going over our heads
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 10, 2007, 03:19:33 PM
Any AGMs apart from Knockmore's one that took place yesterday? Or any coming up?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: spectator on December 10, 2007, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on December 08, 2007, 03:20:03 PM
Deel Rover, you are on the ball there. "Dont pay the county players becuase its affects clubs", Our beloved county board dont give a shit about clubs,county hurling or county football teams. Its all about protecting their own patch,ducking and diving to maintain the status quo. Would our county board delegates be willing to give up the trip to New York or London every couple of years to keep costs down....i dont think so. This smells of double standards and a fear that county players would have more importance than the blazers. As regards our county secretary getting paid... look at all the good work he does i.e relegation debacle in Mayo, getting gaa involved in the Nally case and so on.....it just shows up the agenda of self interest and preservation even more.

What do ye think about the fact that while Johnno came out in favour of the players, the county board then followed with the opposite position?

Have the county board the support of majority of GAA members in the county, or, has Johnno spotted the future far quicker than the 'blazers'?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 12, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Barney on December 06, 2007, 12:24:32 PM
Quote[Lets all just wait and see how JOM handle things this year before deciding to grt rid of him in June/quote]

Two rosnarun's, there's only two rosnarun's.........
the funny thing is if JOM had got may to an All Irelnad he'd probably have got the bullet , but being humiliated by a shite derry team in front of a handful of fans in celtic park is seen as a greater sucess , GO FIGURE

AS for the Grants I reckon as long as all counties are getting the same for both football and hurling and they are in the form of Vouched expenses i dont see any ne ground being broken   but if they are ever paid out on merit that what will break the camels back and the players will become employees and no one will be able to hinder free access to the labour market and bye bye half the football teams in the country and all bar about 6 hurling teams
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ildanach on December 12, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
from gaa.ie

Mayo star Conor Mortimer has denied reports that he is ready to quit his club Shrule-Glencorrib in favour of a switch to a Dublin side.
The prolific forward was rumoured to be looking for an escape route from his club after they struggled to maintain their senior status last season.
Mortimer is a student at Dublin City University and a transfer to Dublin side Oliver Plunkett's, who boast several Mayo inter-county players in their ranks, was widely anticipated.
However, the Mortimer has revealed that it is a decision he will not consider for at least another two years.
"There is no truth in it at the minute," Mortimer told reporters in Croke Park on Wednesday.
"We had a disappointing year last year with the club there is no doubt about that. We just about escaped relegation. We weren't as successful as we should have been.
"We have four or five county players on our panel at the moment but we didn't play as well as we should have played for whatever reason.
"There is nothing in it at the moment, I am just concentrating on the college, and Mayo. It's DCU and the Sigerson at the moment anyhow."
Mortimer failed to rule out a move in the future, but he denied that any club in the capital had made any move to secure his services.
"A few years down the line you wouldn't know. I have been going out with a girl up here for a few years now and I see myself, when I finish college, working up here in Dublin. You never know, maybe in my later years I would transfer. But at the moment 'no'.
"I have heard a lot of talk in papers about St Oliver Plunkett's. I know a lot of the lads out there. You would here the usual clubs like Kilmacud Crokes and St Vincent's because there are Mayo guys playing in both of the clubs.
"I haven't been approached by anybody and I haven't approached anybody to talk about it," he added.




Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 12, 2007, 06:20:44 PM
Mortimer also didn't know anything about the GPA's statement on the Mayo board decision last Thursday.  ??? He said the other members from Mayo didn't iknow either. Funny going on. But what's equally as funny is the county board's silence on Monday night about the grants issue. Will Feeney have to leave his secretary's post in 5 years time or will he move the chairs to suit himself again?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 13, 2007, 11:48:39 AM
From hoganstand. Mortimer does a u-turn!

Conor Mortimer has backtracked on his comments regarding the statement issued by the GPA on behalf of the Mayo players last week regarding the controversial grants scheme.

Mortimer claimed on Wednesday night that most of his team-mates were, in fact, aware of the release of the statement which reaffirmed the support of the county's hurling and football panels for the grants scheme shortly after their own county board had voiced their opposition to the initiative.

Earlier in the day, Mortimer had told reporters: "I didn't know anything about it until after it was out. I got a call from a reporter and he told me about it. I know a couple of the lads from Mayo who work with the GPA and they knew nothing about it either."

But Mortimer performed a bizarre u-turn a few hours later when he said: "I've been speaking to quite a number of my team-mates since and they were actually aware the statement was coming out. The only reason I wasn't aware of it was the fact that I wasn't contactable that day."

The confusion comes less than a fortnight after Down secretary Seamus Walsh cast doubt on the validly of a similar statement from the county's senior panels in relation to the grants issue.




Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 13, 2007, 12:32:47 PM
Yeah, that's a strange one.
Dessie Farrell really is on a crusade. I don't actually have a problem with the grants, but I do have a problem with Dessie Farrell and his attitude.
It looks like he released a statement in the name of the Mayo football and hurling squads while most of the players knew nothing about it. He's insulting groups of life-long GAA people every time he opens his mouth. He needs to knocked off his perch, and hopefully with a pretty hard landing.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 13, 2007, 02:03:53 PM
Some Walsh fella from the hurlers has got publicity before about Mayo and the GPA. He wrote in the Indo last week on the Grants. Wonder did someone like that release it?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 14, 2007, 01:54:26 PM
it wouldnt be easy to know dessie off his perch now . It one of the down side of Professionalism. the only way to get rid of him would be if he got paid off and i dont think that would be seen as s good use of GPA funds. Also seen as hes the Chief exec whos gonna push for it to be on the agenda no its pretty much his orgization now sin Donal o'neill left to do with as he sees fit. If your a signed up member you cant really complain about statements in yous or your teams name.
Yuo need a long spoon if your going to sup with the devil
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 16, 2007, 05:49:07 PM
Mayo County Board may have to go to extreme measures in their bid to fill the secretary position as outgoing Sean Feeney must vacate the place and no else is in the running.

It appears as if Feeney who is being ousted due to the five year rule will take over the position of assistant secretary, but this has to be ratified by Croke Park, which won't happen until February.

The position of vice chairman was not contested now as Ollie Dillon withdrew from the race leaving Paddy McNicholas to retain his position unopposed.


I found this on hoganstand as well. Maybe they all read this discussion board and realise they're in for a rough ride whatever they do!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 16, 2007, 07:16:43 PM
Are the county boaard as bad as they are made out to be?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 21, 2007, 11:39:50 AM
The proposals are out for the new league structure... yet to be voted on in Jan.

Quote
A CHARA,

THE CO.COMPETTITIONS CONTROL COMMITTEE CONVENED LAST LAST NIGHT AND WILL SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING FORMAT FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE FIRST MEETING OF THE COUNTY COMMITTTE ON JANUARY 14TH. 2008

THE WELCOME INN LEAGUE SHALL  BE A CLASSIFIED AS  A SENIOR  LEAGUE AND WILL BE DIVIDED INTO 6 SECTIONS. THE PLACINGS ARE BASED ON LAST YEARS LEAGUE PERFORMANCES

1A                                      1B                            1C                         1D                            1E                             1F
BREAFFY                      BALLINA                    SWINFORD                BALLA                    KNOCKMORE 2               KILMOVEE
BALLINROBE                BALLINTUBBER          AUGHAMORE            EAST GLS               CHARLESTOWN 2             LACKEN
BALLAGHADEREEN      GARRYMORE               BONNICONLON          CARAMORE            CASTLEBAR2                    CLAREMORRIS2
BURRISHOOLE             KILMEENA                   KILCOMMON            BALLINA                 BALLINTUBBER 2             AUGHAMORE2
CROSSMOLINA            SHRULE/GC                THE NEALE               CROSSMOLINA 2    BALLAGHADEREEN 2           BALLA 2
DAVITTS                     CASTLEBAR                KILTIMAGH               BALLYHAUNIS        MOY DAVITTS 2               CROSSMOLINA3
KNOCKMORE               ISLANDEADY               KILMAINE                 PARKE                   LAHARDANE                      ARDAGH
BELMULLET                 LOUISBURGH                HOLLYMOUNT         MOYGOWNAGH     BALLYCASTLE                    WESTPORT2
MOY DAVITTS              KILTANE                        KILALLA               ARDNARE              BALLINROBE 2                   BALLYCROY
CHARLESTOWN           CLAREMORRIS              MAYO GAELS             ACHILL                  KILFIAN                            BREAFFY2
WESTPORT                  KILMEENA     


TOP TWO TEAMS IN  SECTIONS 1B 1C 1D IE 1F WILL BE PROMOTED
BOTTOM TWO TEAMS IN 1A, 1B, 1C,1D WILL BE RELEGATED

PRIZE FUND AND REGULATIONS TO FOLLOW LATER



Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on December 22, 2007, 09:16:24 PM
everyone ready for the game stephens days
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on December 23, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
I dont think the Ballyhaunis delegate will agree to that league proposal, so I cant see it being passed. Ballyhaunis are in Division4 according to that league system.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 27, 2007, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: highking on December 23, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
I dont think the Ballyhaunis delegate will agree to that league proposal, so I cant see it being passed. Ballyhaunis are in Division4 according to that league system.

Well it seems that the teams were drawn up based on his years standings... and in effect it is back to the old system. But it is strange to see Parke and Ballyhaunis in Division 1D (or Division 4).
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on December 27, 2007, 04:53:16 PM
at last promotion for moy davitts B! out of Div 6/Div 3B/Div 1F - woohoo! won the bloody thing two years ago against shrule. no promotion tho. then only lost league to 'the great achill' team of 07 by a point or so. not so great down in foxford when we played them, only ourselves to blame for drawing that game. theres already talk of winning the junior champo next year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 28, 2007, 10:42:55 PM
Holy Mary mother of God! That league proposal looks awful. Could they not just leave it as Division, 1,2, etc and get on with it instead of naming Div 1A,1B etc. It looks awful having all teams in Division 1 something or other. Even little clubs like ardagh and Ballycroy will feel good about themselves despite not winning anything of note for ages as they are in Division 1F.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 05, 2008, 03:59:22 PM
Well lads anyone heading to ballinrobe tomorrow?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 06, 2008, 03:45:01 AM
why would any one . JOM has written off the comp as a dead loss already . if the team arent taking it seriously why should we or is this yet another of our dunny in the wold TDs cunning plan to take rhe pressure off the team like losing to derry last year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 06, 2008, 11:29:49 PM
well the answer seems to be no one.
But i did hear bits of it on the radio . mayo lost by a point , but the fact that the winning goal for UCG (nuig me arse) as scored by Mark ronaldson shows that this tournament is really just a public training session . but of course they charge at the gate . Probably the most interesying thing aboiut this games were apparently 2 very good performances by Conor moran  anf wait for it James Gill. IS this despeeration or is there more left to give . Id have more hope for moran.
James has tried so hard over the years and had such potetial its hard to se him getting it right now but If JOM can get the best out of hime i say we leave him in the job till late july anyway
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 07, 2008, 11:21:25 AM
I was at the game yesterday. Didn't see anything special from Gill or Conor Moran. Gill was cleaned out of it in the first half at midfield, it was only when Seamus O'Shea came in there that Mayo made a comeback in the second half. He did OK when moved to wing forward. Austin O'Mally got 4 points from play but no other forwards did anything to impress. The team was:

Tom Higgins (Westport)
Conor Moran (Burrishoole)
Billy Joe Padden (Belmullet)
Trevor Howley (Knockmore)
Colm Cafferty (Achill)
Liam O'Malley (Burrishoole)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
James Gill (Westpost)
Peadar Gardnier (Crossmolina)
Richard Haran (Charlestown)
Alan Dillon (Ballintubber)
Mickey Mullins (Claremorris)
Brian Benson (Crossmolina)
Austin O'Malley (Louisburgh)
John or Paul Prenty (Ballyhaunis)

Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy) for Richard Haran
Aidan Higgins (Charlestown) for Conor Moran
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 07, 2008, 03:36:26 PM
From what I have seen of James Gill he is good on a slow winter pitch but come the summer he does not have the pace to keep up with championship football. Maybe the break he had from the county set up might have helped him regain his appetite for the game. The last number of times I saw him playing he did not seem to be to interested.
Title: New Mayo Captain announced
Post by: stephenite on January 08, 2008, 05:51:21 AM
Great choice


Heroic McGarrity rewarded with Mayo captaincy

RONAN McGarrity's brave battle to beat cancer last year has been rewarded with the Mayo captaincy for 2008.


The Ballina midfielder was unveiled to the Mayo squad as the new captain over the weekend but may not be able to lead his team until after his club's interest in the All-Ireland Championships is wrapped up. Ballina are due to play Nemo Rangers in the club semi-final on February 17.

McGarrity was one of the key figures as Ballina reclaimed the Mayo and Connacht titles they last won in 2004.

But before that he had spent four months recuperating from treatment for testicular cancer that he was diagnosed with last March during Mayo's league campaign.

McGarrity drew great admiration from his colleagues from the way he handled the situation and his promise to be back playing during the summer.

The new captain will face into 2008 with renewed enthusiasm on the back of his appointment which Mayo manager John O'Mahony says is well deserved.

"Ronan impressed many people with his attitude last year and the way he dealt with his illness. He is a strong character and I'm sure he will be a strong captain too."

O'Mahony is working off an extended squad of 35 at present but has yet to welcome back some of Mayo's older hands.

Meanwhile, Ciaran McDonald has yet to give a firm indication that he will be returning and O'Mahony is mindful of his injury.

"Ciaran has a persistent back injury and if it was to continue like it did last year then it would be hard to see him making it back," said O'Mahony.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 08, 2008, 07:57:34 AM
Agree Stephenite. Delighted with that. Decent fella, and inspirational the way he has fought his way back.

Agree about Gill as well. Watch for the rave reviews in early league games disappear to calls for him to be dropped come the Summer.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 08, 2008, 08:53:58 AM
Congrats to Ronan McGarrity on being made captain - he has impressed an awful lot of people in the last year with his strength of character. Hopefully he'll do a good job as captain.
Was it not always said though that he is a quiet lad - keeps pretty much to himself and doesn't say much? If that's true, he might find the captain's role to be a bit of a burden. Also a doubt over him on the big day - e.g. our last 2 All-Ireland Final appearances. Having said that, there aren't many who performed well those days who could have been made captain.... 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 08, 2008, 10:17:44 AM
There is a new proposal from Claremorris for the leagues this year...Main advantage I see is that at least teams would know from the start of the year what they are playing for in 2009, unless Mr Prenty pulls another stoke!

Leagues to be played as 2007 with the outright winners of each division being decided as in 2007 and with the following amendments to decide the outline of 2009 county senior leagues

1. Top 5 teams in Div 1A and 1B would be automatically placed in Div 1 2009
Teams placed 6th in  Divs 1A & 1B would play off with Winners 2A & 2B with the winners also placed in Div 1 2009 (ie 6th Div 1A v Winner 2B and 6th Div 1B v Winner 2A)

2. Bottom 5 teams in Div 1A & 1B to form Div 2 2009 along with the losers of the play-offs above

3. Teams placed 2nd - 6th in Div 2A and 2B to be placed in Div 3 2009
Winners of Div 3A &  Div 3B  play off with the winner placed in Div 3 2009

4. Bottom 5 teams Div 2A & 2B would form Div 4 2009 along with loser Div 3 final play-off

5. Remaining teams in Div 3 to form Div 5A & 5B 2009

6. From 2009 onwards bottom two teams in Div 1 - 4 to be relegated and replaced respectively by the top 2 teams Div 2 - 4 plus the winners of 5A & 5B

Rationale.
1. Placement of teams in divisions was done by leaving the winners of each section A or B 2007 as they were and transferring teams placed 2nd, 3,rd 6,th 7th & 10th to the opposite Div. This was done to counteract any imbalance in the Divisional placements prior to the 2007 season. The placement of teams as outlined below does not form a central plank of our proposal

2. The league we propose solves the problems caused at the end of 2007 league  by avoiding relegation and still allowing promotion from 2007 league to 2008 league

3. Teams get the opportunity to play for their positions in the 2009 League and not be placed in lower divisions as proposed by CCCC

4. As the ability of clubs to field teams at the lower end of the league can vary greatly from one year to another it makes more sense to run two parallel Div 5s rather than Div 5 & 6 as proposed.

Division1A
Crossmolina Deel Rovers
Breaffy
Charlestown
Westport
Ballinrobe
Claremorris
Ballina Stephenites
Ballintubber
Louisburgh
Castlebar Mitchels
Garrymore

Division1B
Ballaghaderreen
Bohola Moy Davitts
Davitts
Burrishoole
Knockmore
Belmullet
Tourmakeady
Kilmeena
Shrule Glencorrib
Kiltane
Islandeady

Division 2A
Swinford
Kilmaine
Hollymount
Kilcommon
The Neale
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Parke/ Keelogues/Crimlin
Carramore
Ballina Stephenites B
Ardnaree
Moy Davitts B

Division 2B
Kiltimagh
Aghamore
Bonniconlon
Killala
Mayo Gaels
Balla
Eastern Gaels
Ballyhaunis
Moygownagh
Achill
Knockmore B

Division 3A
Charlestown B
Ballycastle
Ballinrobe B
Kilfian
Belmullet B
Lacken
Swinford B
Westport B
Ballycroy
Balla B

Division 3B
Lahardane
Castlebar Mitchels B
Ballintubber B
Ballaghaderreen B
Kilmovee
Crossmolina Deel Rovers C
Ardagh
Claremorris B
Aghamore B
Kilcommon B
Breaffy B
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 08, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
we at least Mcgarrity is one of the surer starters unlike last years captain and from what ive seen ius well able to communicate even if his teacup throwing skills need improving
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 08, 2008, 10:57:48 AM
I'm delighted McGarrity is the new captain. It just showed last year how poor our midfield was without him. Hopefully he will do a good job after all he's been through.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 08, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
Sean Rice obviously has forgotten last years experiment with Billy Joe at full back!...

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3123&Itemid=39

Paradoxically, some of the Mayo men to impress in this first match of the year were on the opposite site. At a time when Mayo are searching desperately for the emergence of a full-back, a good old jostle for recognition has commenced between Billy Joe Padden and Stephen Drake.
Each manned that position on opposite sides on Sunday, two newcomers to the role. It must have been the only position Billy Joe had not experienced with the county, and it was not one we had expected to see him fill at Ballinrobe.
Nor had Stephen Drake ever figured in our dreams of a full-back . . . until he appeared with NUIG. Notable for his competence at right half-back, the performance of the Ballaghaderreen man as a pillar of the college defence was a talking point on Sunday.
Drake, however, shaded the full-back honours, mainly because in Austin O'Malley he was confronted by a much more competitive opponent than Jeff Farrell proved against Billy Joe.
In his new role the Belmullet man was assured without being spectacular. Only once did Jeff Farrell manage to steal inside him, and it led to a penalty from which NUIG scored their first goal. Otherwise, he left the impression, as Billy Joe has always done in new positions, that he must be given a fair chance to settle in.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 08, 2008, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 08, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
Sean Rice obviously has forgotten last years experiment with Billy Joe at full back!...

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3123&Itemid=39

Paradoxically, some of the Mayo men to impress in this first match of the year were on the opposite site. At a time when Mayo are searching desperately for the emergence of a full-back, a good old jostle for recognition has commenced between Billy Joe Padden and Stephen Drake.
Each manned that position on opposite sides on Sunday, two newcomers to the role. It must have been the only position Billy Joe had not experienced with the county, and it was not one we had expected to see him fill at Ballinrobe.
Nor had Stephen Drake ever figured in our dreams of a full-back . . . until he appeared with NUIG. Notable for his competence at right half-back, the performance of the Ballaghaderreen man as a pillar of the college defence was a talking point on Sunday.
Drake, however, shaded the full-back honours, mainly because in Austin O'Malley he was confronted by a much more competitive opponent than Jeff Farrell proved against Billy Joe.
In his new role the Belmullet man was assured without being spectacular. Only once did Jeff Farrell manage to steal inside him, and it led to a penalty from which NUIG scored their first goal. Otherwise, he left the impression, as Billy Joe has always done in new positions, that he must be given a fair chance to settle in.



Thats crazy,  :o
I had a discussion the last day with someone about Billy Joe.
He is the only Mayo player to have played full-back, centre-back, mid-field, centre-forward and full-forward for Mayo in one season.

Is Billy Joe...
a Jack of all trades or Master of None ?  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on January 08, 2008, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 08, 2008, 10:17:44 AM
There is a new proposal from Claremorris for the leagues this year...Main advantage I see is that at least teams would know from the start of the year what they are playing for in 2009, unless Mr Prenty pulls another stoke!

Leagues to be played as 2007 with the outright winners of each division being decided as in 2007 and with the following amendments to decide the outline of 2009 county senior leagues

1. Top 5 teams in Div 1A and 1B would be automatically placed in Div 1 2009
Teams placed 6th in  Divs 1A & 1B would play off with Winners 2A & 2B with the winners also placed in Div 1 2009 (ie 6th Div 1A v Winner 2B and 6th Div 1B v Winner 2A)

2. Bottom 5 teams in Div 1A & 1B to form Div 2 2009 along with the losers of the play-offs above

3. Teams placed 2nd - 6th in Div 2A and 2B to be placed in Div 3 2009
Winners of Div 3A &  Div 3B  play off with the winner placed in Div 3 2009

4. Bottom 5 teams Div 2A & 2B would form Div 4 2009 along with loser Div 3 final play-off

5. Remaining teams in Div 3 to form Div 5A & 5B 2009

6. From 2009 onwards bottom two teams in Div 1 - 4 to be relegated and replaced respectively by the top 2 teams Div 2 - 4 plus the winners of 5A & 5B

Rationale.
1. Placement of teams in divisions was done by leaving the winners of each section A or B 2007 as they were and transferring teams placed 2nd, 3,rd 6,th 7th & 10th to the opposite Div. This was done to counteract any imbalance in the Divisional placements prior to the 2007 season. The placement of teams as outlined below does not form a central plank of our proposal

2. The league we propose solves the problems caused at the end of 2007 league  by avoiding relegation and still allowing promotion from 2007 league to 2008 league

3. Teams get the opportunity to play for their positions in the 2009 League and not be placed in lower divisions as proposed by CCCC

4. As the ability of clubs to field teams at the lower end of the league can vary greatly from one year to another it makes more sense to run two parallel Div 5s rather than Div 5 & 6 as proposed.

Division1A
Crossmolina Deel Rovers
Breaffy
Charlestown
Westport
Ballinrobe
Claremorris
Ballina Stephenites
Ballintubber
Louisburgh
Castlebar Mitchels
Garrymore

Division1B
Ballaghaderreen
Bohola Moy Davitts
Davitts
Burrishoole
Knockmore
Belmullet
Tourmakeady
Kilmeena
Shrule Glencorrib
Kiltane
Islandeady

Division 2A
Swinford
Kilmaine
Hollymount
Kilcommon
The Neale
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Parke/ Keelogues/Crimlin
Carramore
Ballina Stephenites B
Ardnaree
Moy Davitts B

Division 2B
Kiltimagh
Aghamore
Bonniconlon
Killala
Mayo Gaels
Balla
Eastern Gaels
Ballyhaunis
Moygownagh
Achill
Knockmore B

Division 3A
Charlestown B
Ballycastle
Ballinrobe B
Kilfian
Belmullet B
Lacken
Swinford B
Westport B
Ballycroy
Balla B

Division 3B
Lahardane
Castlebar Mitchels B
Ballintubber B
Ballaghaderreen B
Kilmovee
Crossmolina Deel Rovers C
Ardagh
Claremorris B
Aghamore B
Kilcommon B
Breaffy B

haha! brilliant! moy davitts B promoted again - from Div 3B up to Div 1E and from there up to Div 2A. thats getting promoted up out of a division nearly every week - not bad going!haha! if it keeps going like this with promotions and league rethinks our B team will end up in div 1 by mid february without ever kicking a ball. how well the gaa is now run.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 08, 2008, 01:46:43 PM
QuoteIs Billy Joe...
a Jack of all trades or Master of None ? 

I'd say he's master of none. He could be like John O'Shea, Mayo's very own Mr. versatility!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 10, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
JOM was on the radion the other night explaing his supposed anti 3rd level comments . He comes accross very well and made perfect sense, hes without 15 possible players for  this important early stage of the season when young lads might make an impression with the senior guys not fully back yet.
any one know who these 15 are?
ronadson i presume is one
drake
mortimer (is he still doing sums in DCU?)
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Post by: swanee on January 10, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Was talking to Tommy Lyons on Saturday after ballina played mayo and he told me that for sundays game against nuig they only had 19 players to pick from. for an intercounty team to be so depleted at this time of year because of college commitments is a disgrace especially when the sigerson cup is played over just a couple of weeks.With the colleges having first choice over which players they want its the county teams that will suffer.i think the players should have a choice who they play for especially those like kilcoyne ronaldson and the other fringe players who are trying to make a name for themselves at county level.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 11, 2008, 08:06:46 AM
Ros you really are unbelievable. Definitely a FFer and now that the election is over you're happy to back JOM. Last year you would have crucified him.

Anyway some of the players that I think are with colleges are:

DCU
Conor Mortimer

GMIT
Tom Cunniffe
Sean Ryder
Aidan Campbell

DIT
Aidan Kilcoyne
Damien Munnelly

UL
Barry Moran

NUIG
Mark Ronaldson
Ger Cafferkey (?)
Chris Barrett

UUJ
Andy Moran
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 11, 2008, 12:28:28 PM
Quote from: Barney on January 11, 2008, 08:06:46 AM

Anyway some of the players that I think are with colleges are:
...

Finger on the pulse Barney  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on January 11, 2008, 12:58:34 PM
what do ye make of the choice of captain lads?
I'm happy enough with the choice of McGarrity, at least this year our captain should make the starting 15 and after the tough year he had apparently he has toughened up alot mentally. He has plenty to say on and off the pitch which is no harm. The one thing I hope McGarrity does alter to a certain extent is his nice-guy approach. I know it is un-Mayo like but if he could bring a bit more aggression to his game and lead by example it would do no harm. We need the captain to set the tone to make sure we don't get bullied against the likes of Kerry.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 11, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
From Hoganstand.com...

As the managerial merry-go-round continues Castlebar Mitchells are rumoured to be lining up former Sligo and Galway manager Peter Ford as the main to guide them to senior glory.

Despite, the majority of teams in the county having already appointed their management teams for the coming year, Mitchells are still searching, but have last seemed to have found their man.

Ford is expected to bring in Tommy O'Malley and Henry Gavin as part of his backroom team and this is seen as a sign of the club's determination to win the senior title.

Last year was a season to forget for the Mitchells as they narrowly avoided relegation and they will be looking for a massive improvement this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 13, 2008, 03:41:41 PM
Mayo 1-12 1-6 Sligo IT

Mayo got the last 4 points without reply. Mickey Mullins seems to have had a great game, Mike Finnerty raving about him. Alan Dillon got 5 points. Brian Benson got the goal from a penalty.
Trevor Howley played at CHB as did BJP at full back.
Peadar Gardiner a roving midfielder again. John Brogan from Knockmore started at number 2.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 14, 2008, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 13, 2008, 03:41:41 PM
Mayo 1-12 1-6 Sligo IT

Mayo got the last 4 points without reply. Mickey Mullins seems to have had a great game, Mike Finnerty raving about him. Alan Dillon got 5 points. Brian Benson got the goal from a penalty.
Trevor Howley played at CHB as did BJP at full back.
Peadar Gardiner a roving midfielder again. John Brogan from Knockmore started at number 2.

Ya I heard that Mad Whest report. Mickey Mullins was supposed to be getting a great reception from the crowd for his hard work throughout the game. He also put over a great 50 at the end of the game and played a stormer.

Finnerty reckoned Howley looked comfortable at CHB and had a good game. He also said BJP was solid at Full-Back. Benson also got one of those last 4 points from play.

Did Gardiner start in the forwards to allow him to be floating around the middle ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 14, 2008, 11:52:47 AM
From the Irish Independant...

Dillons hits form for Mayo

By Donnchadh Boyle Connacht FBD round-up
Monday January 14 2008

CONNACHT'S FBD league started to take shape yesterday with NUIG, Sligo and Mayo all picking up wins in the second round of matches in the competition.

John O'Mahony stuck to much the same team that lost out to NUIG in the first round of matches and he was rewarded for his loyalty as his Mayo ran out 1-12 to 1-6 winners over Sligo IT.

Alan Dillon was on top form and he contributed five points while Brian Benson finished the day with 1-2 to his name as Mayo held a 0-6 to 0-3 advantage at half time.

After a Sligo IT rally, Mayo came back and, with Mickey Mullins and Dillon finding their range, held on for the spoils.

The students of NUIG had more luck as they condemned Roscommon to their second defeat in Dangan.

The visitors had a dream start as Conor Devanney blasted home 1-1 in the opening three minutes. However, John Maughan's men couldn't build on that lead and the students bounced back with Galway star Sean Armstrong to the fore, leading 0-9 to 1-5 at the break.

The students kicked on in the second half and, with Paul Broderick showing well, had six points to spare at the final whistle.

Elsewhere, Tommy Jordan got his first win as Sligo boss at Markievicz Park but he was made to sweat in the end by a determined GMIT outfit.

For the second successive game, all six starting Sligo forwards managed to get on the scoresheet, and second-half goals from Dermot McTernan and Kenny Sweeney helped Sligo overturn a half-time deficit of 0-8 to 2-3. GMIT rallied in the last quarter to hit four unanswered points but Sligo held on for a 2-13 to 2-12 win.

Scorers

Sligo: K Sweeney 1-1, M Breheny, P Gallagher 0-3 each, D McTernan 1-0, P Lyons, E Cawley 0-2 each, S Davey, K Byrne 0-1 each.

GMIT: M Martin 0-6, P Conroy, M Conry 0-3 each, D Vaughan, J Hayes 1-0 each.

Mayo: A Dillon 0-5, B Benson 1-2, M Mullins 0-2, BJ Padden, D Corrigan, A O'Malley 0-1 each.

IT Sligo: E Kenny 0-3, M Gordon 1-0, J Murphy, A Costello and R O'Connor 0-1 each.

NUIG: P Broderick 0-9 (5f), D Conway 0-2 (1f), S Armstrong 0-2 (1f), B Guckian 0-1, J Connellan, G Bradshaw 0-1.

Roscommon: C Devanney 1-2 (1f), J Collins 0-2 (1f, 1 '45), S Kilbride 0-2, S O'Neill 0-1.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 14, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
Is the county board meeting tonight to set the fixtures for the year?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 14, 2008, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on January 14, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
Is the county board meeting tonight to set the fixtures for the year?

I think so, and to vote on the new league structures
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 14, 2008, 05:24:53 PM
There are 2 new leagues proposal as far as i know, the county board proposal and the claremorris proposal. Hopefully they will get it sorted tonight and give us a fixture list in the next few days so we can start planning the holidays!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 15, 2008, 09:02:09 AM
Anyone know if there was any decision at last nights meeting regarding the make up of the leagues this year?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 15, 2008, 09:21:32 AM
Anyone listen to Mad Whest for any news on the county board meeting last night?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 15, 2008, 10:05:26 AM
I just heard that the county board proposal was voted in....

I think this is the original proposal... Im not sure if there was any amendments to it.

Quote
A CHARA,

THE CO.COMPETTITIONS CONTROL COMMITTEE CONVENED LAST LAST NIGHT AND WILL SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING FORMAT FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE FIRST MEETING OF THE COUNTY COMMITTTE ON JANUARY 14TH. 2008

THE WELCOME INN LEAGUE SHALL  BE A CLASSIFIED AS  A SENIOR  LEAGUE AND WILL BE DIVIDED INTO 6 SECTIONS. THE PLACINGS ARE BASED ON LAST YEARS LEAGUE PERFORMANCES

1A                                      1B                            1C                         1D                            1E                             1F
BREAFFY                      BALLINA                    SWINFORD                BALLA                    KNOCKMORE 2               KILMOVEE
BALLINROBE                BALLINTUBBER          AUGHAMORE            EAST GLS               CHARLESTOWN 2             LACKEN
BALLAGHADEREEN      GARRYMORE               BONNICONLON          CARAMORE            CASTLEBAR2                    CLAREMORRIS2
BURRISHOOLE             KILMEENA                   KILCOMMON            BALLINA                 BALLINTUBBER 2             AUGHAMORE2
CROSSMOLINA            SHRULE/GC                THE NEALE               CROSSMOLINA 2    BALLAGHADEREEN 2           BALLA 2
DAVITTS                     CASTLEBAR                KILTIMAGH               BALLYHAUNIS        MOY DAVITTS 2               CROSSMOLINA3
KNOCKMORE               ISLANDEADY               KILMAINE                 PARKE                   LAHARDANE                      ARDAGH
BELMULLET                 LOUISBURGH                HOLLYMOUNT         MOYGOWNAGH     BALLYCASTLE                    WESTPORT2
MOY DAVITTS              KILTANE                        KILALLA               ARDNARE              BALLINROBE 2                   BALLYCROY
CHARLESTOWN           CLAREMORRIS              MAYO GAELS             ACHILL                  KILFIAN                            BREAFFY2
WESTPORT                  KILMEENA     


TOP TWO TEAMS IN  SECTIONS 1B 1C 1D IE 1F WILL BE PROMOTED
BOTTOM TWO TEAMS IN 1A, 1B, 1C,1D WILL BE RELEGATED

PRIZE FUND AND REGULATIONS TO FOLLOW LATER
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 15, 2008, 10:54:49 AM
I still cant see the logic in having Div 1A - 1F, i dunno why the county board constantly t**ker with the league format. Why they just cant stick to the old way of Div 1,2,3,4 e.t.c.

Any word on a fixture list. i suppose that will be done next week at some meeting.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on January 15, 2008, 11:02:32 AM
so is Div 1B effectively div 2? if so that means ballina are playing div 2 football. fair enough when you see where they finished in last years league i suppose but they werent exactly relegated now were they?

agreed davitt man. cant for the life of me see why they are constantly tinkering with it. but i must say its good news though that relegation and promotion has been clarified and simplified. i think the 1a to 1f is just another way of naming the divisions 1 to 6 and thats proabably a good thing. this business of having divisions running in parallel is/was pure nonsense. the 1A, 1B, 2A 2B was daft.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: prewtna on January 15, 2008, 11:02:32 AM
so is Div 1B effectively div 2? if so that means ballina are playing div 2 football. fair enough when you see where they finished in last years league i suppose but they werent exactly relegated now were they?

agreed davitt man. cant for the life of me see why they are constantly tinkering with it. but i must say its good news though that relegation and promotion has been clarified and simplified. i think the 1a to 1f is just another way of naming the divisions 1 to 6 and thats proabably a good thing. this business of having divisions running in parallel is/was pure nonsense. the 1A, 1B, 2A 2B was daft.

How is it fair enough?You said it yourself, you're either relegated in a season or you're not. How were the team for the various divisions decided?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 15, 2008, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 11:08:01 AM
How is it fair enough?You said it yourself, you're either relegated in a season or you're not. How were the team for the various divisions decided?

The teams for the divisions were based on your finishing place last year. First round Paddy's weekend or weekend after depending if Ballina reach club final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on January 15, 2008, 11:33:52 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: prewtna on January 15, 2008, 11:02:32 AM
so is Div 1B effectively div 2? if so that means ballina are playing div 2 football. fair enough when you see where they finished in last years league i suppose but they werent exactly relegated now were they?

agreed davitt man. cant for the life of me see why they are constantly tinkering with it. but i must say its good news though that relegation and promotion has been clarified and simplified. i think the 1a to 1f is just another way of naming the divisions 1 to 6 and thats proabably a good thing. this business of having divisions running in parallel is/was pure nonsense. the 1A, 1B, 2A 2B was daft.

How is it fair enough?You said it yourself, you're either relegated in a season or you're not. How were the team for the various divisions decided?

wasnt it based on last years league performance? ballina finished 4th from bottom of the division and if you are (the county board not you) in the business of reshaping leagues back into a vertical structure then i would say it is fair enough that they are in div 2. where the unfairness lies is the constant reshaping of the divisions and the lack of warning from year to year. if the stephenites were aware at the start of the season that if they finished 4th from bottom they would be relegated, then i dare say it wouldnt have happened at all.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 15, 2008, 11:36:23 AM
1st round paddys weekend! not again, so thats another dry paddys weekend again this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 11:43:43 AM
Quote
where the unfairness lies is the constant reshaping of the divisions and the lack of warning from year to year. if the stephenites were aware at the start of the season that if they finished 4th from bottom they would be relegated, then i dare say it wouldnt have happened at all.

That's exactly it, completley unfair.

Stephenites generally don't give two hoots for the league, but always do enough to retain their division one status. It is unfair for the club to be punished for this, as the man said, if we were told before the league that we would be relegated for finsihing where we did, it wouldn't have happened. I sense an opportunity has been taken by the board, pulling a stroke like this whilst most in the club are distracted what with preparing to represent the county and the province.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on January 15, 2008, 11:58:33 AM

Stephenites generally don't give two hoots for the league, but always do enough to retain their division one status. It is unfair for the club to be punished for this, as the man said, if we were told before the league that we would be relegated for finsihing where we did, it wouldn't have happened. I sense an opportunity has been taken by the board, pulling a stroke like this whilst most in the club are distracted what with preparing to represent the county and the province.
[/quote]

do you think the county board would do that deliberately against the stephenites? wasnt there something earlier in the champo when ye were asked to play in castlebar or something instead of ballina and ye politely told them to feck off? theyd hardly take such umbridge and get ye relegated for that?!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 12:07:28 PM
I heard that Sean Feeney approached someone and requested that Connacht club games be played in Castlebar instead of Ballina but don't know if that's 100% true or not. I'd imagine that the decision was taken as a 'fix' for the other issues earlier in the year - issues that were completley of their own making if I'm not mistaken, as opposed to any malice of where the club decided to play the connacht club games.

Have been trying to find out more details on what exactly went on
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 15, 2008, 12:08:58 PM
The county board took the top 6 teams from div 1a and 5 from div1b from last years leagues to form Div1A with the rest making up Div 1B for this year coming

Div1A          
Cross, Moy Davitts, Davitts, Westport, B\Robe, Belmullet, Tourmakeady, B\Tubber, Lousiburgh,Kiltane

Div1B
Ballaghderreen, Breaffy, C\Town, B\Shrule, K\More, Claremorris, Ballina, Kilmeena, Shrule, Castlebar

Claremorris must feel hard done by seen as belmullet got in ahead of them for some reason
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 15, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
League proposal accepted 
Tuesday, 15 January 2008 
Delegates accept Board's proposal

Mayo GAA Leagues to change

THE Mayo GAA football leagues will be divided into six sections this year after a proposal from the County Competitions Control Committee was accepted by club delegates at a County Board meeting in Castlebar last night (Monday).
After a lengthy debate, which saw almost as much criticism as support from the floor for the CCCC proposal, a show of hands ultimately settled the issue.
Under the adopted proposals, the Welcome Inn League will be classified as a senior league and will be divided into six sections. The placings that are proposed for each club are based on last year's league performances.
Division 1A will be made up of those teams that finished in the top half of each of last year's division 1 tables.
The top two teams in Divisions 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E and 1F will be promoted with the bottom two in Divisions 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D and 1E being relegated.
However, there was no shortage of debate on the issue last night before it was settled. Claremorris GAA Club had circulated an alternative proposal to clubs last week which also received support from some of those present.
There were a dozen speakers on the league proposals in all, with Connacht Council Secretary John Prenty, describing the CCCC proposal as "relegation by stealth" and calling the letters used to signify the sections as "a charade".
"Everyone knows it's Divisions 1 to 6," said Prenty. "Teams that were in one position last year now find themselves in a different position...The Divisional competitions are as useful as tits on a bull. They are absolutely no benefit."
In response, Mayo GAA Secretary Sean Feeney said: "We wanted to give parity of esteem to last year's Divisions 1A and 1B and we had to come up with a system to divide them.
"It stretched us to the limit to get games in last year. Clubs told us they didn't want to be playing in December and that they wanted their county players for league games.
"In relation to the Divisional Cups, you can call any competition a 'Mickey Mouse' competition. You could call the Connacht League a 'Mickey Mouse' competition."
The Chairman of the CCCC, Paddy McNicholas, also responded to Prenty's comments. "We're not in the game of having a go at clubs and we feel we're giving a competitive league. Saying that the Divisional Cups are useless is an opinion but it gave clubs games and meant they didn't have to go looking for challenges."
Sean MacÉil, a member of the CCCC, said that he felt the leagues would have stayed the same as last year were it not for the objections that had been made.
"I disagree that this is relegation by stealth and I believe that clubs will get nine or ten league games, at least three championship matches, plus their Divisional Cup games. That seems adequate to me."
Aidan Brennan, speaking on behalf of Claremorris, said that his club had beat Knockmore and Ballina at the end of last year to stay in Division 1B.
"We expected to retain our position after doing that. We feel that teams didn't get the opportunity to play into the league that the CCCC are proposing. Our proposal would mean that clubs do get that opportunity."
His pleas fell on deaf ears, however, as a show of hands on the CCCC proposal saw it carried.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on January 15, 2008, 01:36:42 PM
QuoteStephenites generally don't give two hoots for the league, but always do enough to retain their division one status. It is unfair for the club to be punished for this, as the man said, if we were told before the league that we would be relegated for finsihing where we did, it wouldn't have happened. I sense an opportunity has been taken by the board, pulling a stroke like this whilst most in the club are distracted what with preparing to represent the county and the province.

I sense a bit of paranoia.
My club came out on the wrong sides of league re-organisation 3 years in a row in the early part of this decade - relegated twice and missed on promotion by 1 place another year. It had the effect of knocking the momentum out of the club for the last 5 years where it became more about being able to field 15 players than winning anything. The lesson was eventually learned that every league game has to be taken seriously because of the likelihood of a re-ord even if promotion or relegation were not options with 3 or 4 games to go.
Sure we are small in comparison to Ballina but these re-orgs have been happening year after year and to suggest it was the county board having a go at Ballina is childish. Sure maybe they're just trying to do yee a favour in order to help create a siege mentality  :P

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 15, 2008, 06:03:10 PM
Lads,

I received the email below this morning.  Unsolicited, and I don't recognise the sender. I have left their name and email address off the version below.  Did anyone else get a mail like this aimed at extracting a few pound from the Mayos in Dublin with the promise of a membership card, fleece)how apt! and free entry to ticket draws for which you subsequently have to pay for...bloody cheek)...

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Folks,
Just a mail that may be of interest to you.."Mayo GAA Dublin" (Noel Howley/Mary King etc) are setting up an official Mayo GAA Supporters Club called "Club Mayo - Dublin". I have been involved in the initial meetings around setting it up and we are having the official launch night on Tuesday 5th February (Venue: The Garda Club, Harrington Street, Dublin 8). John O'Mahony, James Waldron (county board chairman) as well as others will attend on the night.
Membership of the club will be granted on the night. On the night of the launch, there will be a presentation given as to where all money raised will be used...The money being raised is to help defray the costs during the year associated with the County Senior/U-21/Minor football teams...(Things like travel expenses for players, accomodation for the team the night before away matches, lunches for the team on the days of matches etc)
Membership will give you
"Club Mayo-Dublin" Fleece
"Club Mayo-Dublin" ID Card
Entry into a quarterly draw for 4 prizes: 1st - €1,000, 2nd - €500, 3rd - €250, 4th, - €250
Presentation of Club Mayo ID card at Mayo's home league matches will ensure free entry to the ground
Presentation of Club Mayo ID card at Senior Club championship matches in Mayo will ensure free entry to the ground
If Mayo reach an All-Ireland Football final, you will be entered into a draw to win All-Ireland Tickets. If you win you will be required to pay for the tickets at face value 
If Mayo reach a match in Croke Park, you will also be entered into a draw to win Tickets. Again, if you win you will be required to pay for the tickets at face value.
Let me know what you think! If you want to become a member/come along on the night, let me know your address and I will get an invite posted out to you.

Kind regards,
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 15, 2008, 06:53:12 PM
Pietas,

That is indeed a strange one. I thought there was already a Mayo supports in Dublin club.
I think that another one was going to be set up a while back and it caused some trouble.
You might find references to it in the "old" gaa board. As a matter of interest did the email say how much membership was?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 09:58:21 PM
Quote from: blast05 on January 15, 2008, 01:36:42 PM
QuoteStephenites generally don't give two hoots for the league, but always do enough to retain their division one status. It is unfair for the club to be punished for this, as the man said, if we were told before the league that we would be relegated for finsihing where we did, it wouldn't have happened. I sense an opportunity has been taken by the board, pulling a stroke like this whilst most in the club are distracted what with preparing to represent the county and the province.

I sense a bit of paranoia.
My club came out on the wrong sides of league re-organisation 3 years in a row in the early part of this decade - relegated twice and missed on promotion by 1 place another year. It had the effect of knocking the momentum out of the club for the last 5 years where it became more about being able to field 15 players than winning anything. The lesson was eventually learned that every league game has to be taken seriously because of the likelihood of a re-ord even if promotion or relegation were not options with 3 or 4 games to go.
Sure we are small in comparison to Ballina but these re-orgs have been happening year after year and to suggest it was the county board having a go at Ballina is childish. Sure maybe they're just trying to do yee a favour in order to help create a siege mentality  :P



In fairness it would be my own paranoia, from what I hear the club are accepting this decision from the County Board. You're saying that ye were relegated twice, can I ask where in the table ye finished the year that these re-organisations took place?
My own thinking is that to finish 4th from bottom and still end up in what is essentially division 2 is a crazy and unfiar decision
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on January 15, 2008, 10:11:50 PM
QuoteYou're saying that ye were relegated twice, can I ask where in the table ye finished the year that these re-organisations took place?

Around 2001 & 2002 we finished 6th and then 7th in a league of 11 teams on consecutive years. The first year the bottom 6 were relegated (there had been an A & B to the division), the second the bottom 5 - all decided at seasons end. I was never so annoyed about GAA matters when the second re-org was made although we were so poor during the second season that we deserved it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 15, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: blast05 on January 15, 2008, 10:11:50 PM
QuoteYou're saying that ye were relegated twice, can I ask where in the table ye finished the year that these re-organisations took place?

Around 2001 & 2002 we finished 6th and then 7th in a league of 11 teams on consecutive years. The first year the bottom 6 were relegated (there had been an A & B to the division), the second the bottom 5 - all decided at seasons end. I was never so annoyed about GAA matters when the second re-org was made although we were so poor during the second season that we deserved it.

There is no way in hell ye deserved anything unless ye finished in the bottom 2, and that's the point I'm trying to make really.

My own fear is that with our Senior team involved in the All Ireland series, at the end of a long season it might be hard to get out of division2
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 16, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 15, 2008, 06:53:12 PM
Pietas,

That is indeed a strange one. I thought there was already a Mayo supports in Dublin club.
I think that another one was going to be set up a while back and it caused some trouble.
You might find references to it in the "old" gaa board. As a matter of interest did the email say how much membership was?

I remember that moves were made to bring Mayo fans together through this board and a meeting was held in the Burlington (RIP) attended by John Maughan and Kevin McStay, but nothing seemed to happen after that. It would appear that the county board are now in cahoots with some of the people who organised that event (I'm presuming that's how come I've be emailed).  There was no reference in the email as to how much membership will cost.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: The Lord of Luuuvre on January 16, 2008, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: Pietas on January 16, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 15, 2008, 06:53:12 PM
Pietas,

That is indeed a strange one. I thought there was already a Mayo supports in Dublin club.
I think that another one was going to be set up a while back and it caused some trouble.
You might find references to it in the "old" gaa board. As a matter of interest did the email say how much membership was?

I remember that moves were made to bring Mayo fans together through this board and a meeting was held in the Burlington (RIP) attended by John Maughan and Kevin McStay, but nothing seemed to happen after that. It would appear that the county board are now in cahoots with some of the people who organised that event (I'm presuming that's how come I've be emailed).  There was no reference in the email as to how much membership will cost.

I wouldn't cast aspersions on those charged with minding Mayo's money for one second, but would ask that if one were to join 'Club Mayo' could one be sure one's money was being spent on furthering gaelic football in the county and not on silly escapades?  Mayo's track record on how it spends it's money is not exactly good, though the County Board does at least appear solvent. I hope 'Club Mayoi' is a success and that it helps build the kind of success Tyrone have enjoyed with what appears to be a similar scheme.

There are some serious questions to be asked here.  I am presuming 'Club Mayo' is based on 'Club Tyrone.'  Heck, the people behind it haven't had the wit to even t**ker the with the name.

Is Club Mayo essentially a sub-committee/fundraising arms of the Mayo County Board? Is it a sub-committee of the Mayomen's Asscoiation in Dublin (an organisation I wouldn't be mad to get involved with, real Tammany Hall stuff)  Who are the trustees of 'Cub Mayo?'  What are 'Club Mayo's' terms of reference? Will members be furnished with a detailed set of accounts each year?

The following is very vague:  On the night of the launch, there will be a presentation given as to where all money raised will be used...The money being raised is to help defray the costs during the year associated with the County Senior/U-21/Minor football teams...(Things like travel expenses for players, accomodation for the team the night before away matches, lunches for the team on the days of matches etc)

I think there should have been a bit more clarity in that email Pietas posted.

For those of us who believe inter-county GAA players are entitled to their grants, it's worth pointing out that Mayo were the first county board to oppose this, but they are now going cap in hand to their supporters in Dublin.  I won't go down the road of outling some of the other atrocities committed by that board in the recent past, but they didn't cover themselves in glory re the opening of croke park either...

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 16, 2008, 12:11:29 PM
I heard Standard membership is €20/month set up via Standing Order. There will be brochures detailing what we are our aims the night of the launch (as well as the presentation detailing where every cent raised goes to). The standing order forms are attached to them also. If you are happy with what you hear on the night, you are more than welcome to join.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 16, 2008, 03:54:47 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on January 16, 2008, 12:11:29 PM
I heard Standard membership is €20/month set up via Standing Order. There will be brochures detailing what we are our aims the night of the launch (as well as the presentation detailing where every cent raised goes to). The standing order forms are attached to them also. If you are happy with what you hear on the night, you are more than welcome to join.

I take it your involved then Davitt Man?
Am I right in assuming that its sort of a financial club that will be raising / donating money towards the county teams?

Its a good remunerative incentive I suppose.

(thats my big words of the day  :P )
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 16, 2008, 04:59:40 PM
nope im not involved i just copied and pasted that post from an email i got off mick conlon the guy that sent the original email.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 16, 2008, 09:12:47 PM
Quote from: Pietas on January 16, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 15, 2008, 06:53:12 PM
Pietas,

That is indeed a strange one. I thought there was already a Mayo supports in Dublin club.
I think that another one was going to be set up a while back and it caused some trouble.
You might find references to it in the "old" gaa board. As a matter of interest did the email say how much membership was?

I remember that moves were made to bring Mayo fans together through this board and a meeting was held in the Burlington (RIP) attended by John Maughan and Kevin McStay, but nothing seemed to happen after that. It would appear that the county board are now in cahoots with some of the people who organised that event (I'm presuming that's how come I've be emailed).  There was no reference in the email as to how much membership will cost.

Not sure how you've been emailed - but from reading your email it seems that this move is being made by a seperate organisation than then one where a few lads got drunk in Mulligans and put together that bash in the Burlington. The Mayo/Dublin GAA lot that are organising Club Mayo were not involved in anyway in the unofficial group that was mainly lads from here, and the County Board wouldn't have touched us with a barge pole :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 16, 2008, 10:37:38 PM
Pietas, would u forward me on the email, i mite go down for a look, doubt i'll join, feel i give enough i going to all the mayo matches
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 17, 2008, 11:00:42 AM
Mayo4Sam

I have Pm'ed you :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 17, 2008, 10:59:29 PM
Cheers, pietas
I'll go along for the nite if anyone else is interested in coming along?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 18, 2008, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 17, 2008, 10:59:29 PM
Cheers, pietas
I'll go along for the nite if anyone else is interested in coming along?

Im not in Dublin but its an interesting idea. At first not much was known about this new organisation...
Before the air was cleared by Davitt Man and Co, my imagination went wild and conjured something like a vague, even elite organisation of exiled and deep pocketed Mayo business men. With meetings being a mixture of Tammany Hall and Freemasonry like rituals with secret handshakes between members and mysterious symbology like yew trees, a Patriarchial Cross, three Passion Crosses, and a ship on waves and the Golden Rose.

That would have been more interesting for the conspiracy theorists among us!  :P  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 18, 2008, 11:21:29 AM
Anyone hear that Kevin O'Neill is back with Knockmore this year?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Glensman on January 18, 2008, 11:59:15 AM
Anyone fire on the Ballina winning team from the Connaught final?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 18, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: Glensman on January 18, 2008, 11:59:15 AM
Anyone fire on the Ballina winning team from the Connaught final?

Cheers.
not been smart Glensman but whats your question ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: BangBang on January 18, 2008, 04:59:27 PM
Hes probably from Nemo lads... Don't bother putting it up. As the bishop said to the actress, I know nothing!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 19, 2008, 07:15:03 PM
He's from Antrim actually. That's a Derryman been confused as a Dub and now an Antrim man confused with been from Cork! :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 20, 2008, 12:03:18 AM
I think he's asking if anyone placed a bet on the Stephenites winning the thing out after they won Connacht title, probably the rank outsiders at the bookies given the pedigree of Cross and Nemo and the fact that a team from Dublin is involved.

Or perhaps he's wondering if someone on the Stephenite team has been fired? Or maybe set on fire? Or has been arrested for starting a fire?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 20, 2008, 02:25:14 PM
Mayo 5 points to 1 up after 17 mins. Mayo dominating all over the field.
Dillon (3 pts, 2 from play), Gill and Peadar Gardiner the scorers

Nallen in goal again, C Moran playing corner back. Ger Cafferkey in half back line. Seamus O'Shea and Gardiner in midfield. Benson and Mullins in a 2-man full forward line
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 20, 2008, 02:53:29 PM
mayo 4 points up at half time. 1-6 to 1-2. Peadar Gardiner orchestrating things from midfield, Mayo have 8 wides though :-(
Mickey Mullins with the Mayo goal. Ros got their goal shortly afterwards. Frankie Dolan missed a 21yd free as well - good ould Frankie
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 20, 2008, 03:46:36 PM
Mayo 2-14 2-08 Roscommon at full time.

Mayo hit 17 wides which is a bit of a worry. Brian Benson got Mayo's 2nd goal. Dillon got 7 points, Mayo seemed to put some good moves together. That's the end of competitive action until the game against Derry. But there is a game against Westmeath next weekend under lights in Ballinrobe which will be the first time the students will be back in the squad
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 21, 2008, 09:29:31 AM
Mayo coffers to be boosted
18 January 2008


Mayo's bid to land a long-awaited All-Ireland SFC title is to receive a filip with news that a new supporters' club is to be established in Dublin.

Mayo County Board Chairman James Waldron and team-manager John O'Mahony will launch the body, 'Mayo GAA Dublin' next month in the capital.

The official launch of the new club will take place at the Garda Club in Harrington Street on Tuesday, February 5th.

It is understood that all monies raised will go towards defraying the costs of the senior, under 21 and minor teams.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 21, 2008, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on January 18, 2008, 11:21:29 AM
Anyone hear that Kevin O'Neill is back with Knockmore this year?

I haven't heard that but i'll find out for u davitt either way, would be a great boost

On ballina, i've a few quid on them
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 21, 2008, 10:37:41 PM
No chuckie is not back with knockmore
Word on mayo is that himself, macdanger & db will all be back towards the end of the league but nallen wont
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 20, 2008, 12:03:18 AM
I think he's asking if anyone placed a bet on the Stephenites winning the thing out after they won Connacht title, probably the rank outsiders at the bookies given the pedigree of Cross and Nemo and the fact that a team from Dublin is involved.

Or perhaps he's wondering if someone on the Stephenite team has been fired? Or maybe set on fire? Or has been arrested for starting a fire?

Thanks stephenite still confused so i am :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 22, 2008, 02:07:26 PM
QuoteWord on mayo is that himself, macdanger & db will all be back towards the end of the league but nallen wont

I thought we had seen the end of McD in the gree and red - great to hear he might be back for the championship :)
But if the back gives trouble again before then, I'd say that will be curtains for the great one.

It will be sad to see the end of Nallen in a Mayo jersey if that proves to be the case. He has given it everything for well over a decade. Time has caught up with him at this stage though. He probably still has something to offer in terms of experience but it would be hard to see him getting playing time, so it's understandable that he wouldn't want to put himself through all that training again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 21, 2008, 10:37:41 PM
No chuckie is not back with knockmore
Word on mayo is that himself, macdanger & db will all be back towards the end of the league but nallen wont

Can't see Mc D playing according to John Maughan in last weeks Advertiser neither Mc D or Jimmy have been in contact with O' Mahony
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 22, 2008, 02:59:22 PM
QuoteCan't see Mc D playing according to John Maughan in last weeks Advertiser neither Mc D or Jimmy have been in contact with O' Mahony

Spring is definetly in the air.
how could MAc play for mayo this year fella down pub told me hes running Barack Obamas election campaign
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 03:00:47 PM
Your still elections on the brain Ros :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 22, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
Has anyone heard of any league fixtures or a possible start date to the league??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 22, 2008, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on January 22, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
Has anyone heard of any league fixtures or a possible start date to the league??

I think the league is starting on Paddys weekend but if Ballina get to the All Ireland Final that will be changed and it will be put back a week... i think  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 22, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
any fixtures? or any idea when they meeting about it
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 22, 2008, 05:06:00 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on January 22, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
any fixtures? or any idea when they meeting about it

As far as I know the fixtures just come out so we wont know when they are meeting about it.
They should be in the local papers in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 22, 2008, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 21, 2008, 10:37:41 PM
No chuckie is not back with knockmore
Word on mayo is that himself, macdanger & db will all be back towards the end of the league but nallen wont

Can't see Mc D playing according to John Maughan in last weeks Advertiser neither Mc D or Jimmy have been in contact with O' Mahony

Sounds like Maughan is happy to stir a bit of shit in his freesheet column
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: Pietas on January 22, 2008, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 21, 2008, 10:37:41 PM
No chuckie is not back with knockmore
Word on mayo is that himself, macdanger & db will all be back towards the end of the league but nallen wont

Can't see Mc D playing according to John Maughan in last weeks Advertiser neither Mc D or Jimmy have been in contact with O' Mahony

Sounds like Maughan is happy to stir a bit of shit in his freesheet column

ye but in fairness O' Mahony was fairly good at it with his column as well
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 24, 2008, 11:38:48 AM
Johnno could quote Cowen to JM:

'I will not be taking advice from any quarter which has been rejected by the electorate.'

I think JM took Johnno's stuff a bit too seriously at the time and it has led on from there.  Would really like Ros in the Connacht final next year, twould be a spicey build-up!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 24, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
Jom Shafted maughan(and Mayo) before Moran got the job it was queit clear from his media pronouncements that he was willing and and able to take the job if maughan was booted out only then to go all shy.
This is his year to put up or shut up.
After all Maughan has done for mayo to say he was  rejected by the electorate.' in such a glib manner is the comment of an idiot
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 24, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 24, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
Jom Shafted maughan(and Mayo) before Moran got the job it was queit clear from his media pronouncements that he was willing and and able to take the job if maughan was booted out only then to go all shy.
This is his year to put up or shut up.

Rubbish.  How can O'Mahony be adjudged to have shafted Maughan and the county?

'Put up or shut up' what's that about? 

And has Maughan nothing else to be doing that writing ill-informed tittle-tattle about the Mayo team in some rag?

Isn't he suppose to be managing a team elsewhere...a team which hasn't won a competitive game of football for 10 months!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on January 24, 2008, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 24, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
Jom Shafted maughan(and Mayo) before Moran got the job it was queit clear from his media pronouncements that he was willing and and able to take the job if maughan was booted out only then to go all shy.
This is his year to put up or shut up.
After all Maughan has done for mayo to say he was  rejected by the electorate.' in such a glib manner is the comment of an idiot
What is all of this based on, narrow minded political beliefs?  I still think that JOM is the only man in Mayo to manage our county team at the moment and i think most people would agree, he needs to be given time and with the selectors he has with him, we have as good a managment as any team in the country. The election is long over, JOM got elected by the people of Mayo and like it or not thats how it is. JM has done a lot for Mayo and to say that JOM shafted JM well, it beggars belief. What is this theroy based on? Build a bridge and get over it!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 24, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Any of ye still visit the mayofans.com forum?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 24, 2008, 06:50:18 PM
I take the odd look, but it wouldn't hold my attention very long.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 24, 2008, 06:57:48 PM
Lads, anyone know what the story is with Balla, are they going to fold up? Heard that they were in a bit of bother numbers-wise, and Costello is off to one of the clubs here. Quite a fall for county finalists of not so long ago, if it's the case.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 24, 2008, 08:37:01 PM
Which club is Costello going to OMS? Haven't heeded the local news much lately regarding the club scene. Don't know anything about Balla folding though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 24, 2008, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on January 24, 2008, 06:57:48 PM
Lads, anyone know what the story is with Balla, are they going to fold up? Heard that they were in a bit of bother numbers-wise, and Costello is off to one of the clubs here. Quite a fall for county finalists of not so long ago, if it's the case.

Doesn't look like Balla are folding...

Elsewhere, Balla have announced their management team for the coming season.
The three man group are all former or present members of An Garda Siochána; Kevin O'Connor (Castlebar manager last year), Donie Duignan (a Roscommon native), and Tony Reilly (a native of Lacken and former well-known referee). The West Mayo side will be operating in Division 1D of the senior league and in the junior championship.


http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3221&Itemid=39
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 25, 2008, 01:25:39 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 24, 2008, 08:37:01 PM
Which club is Costello going to OMS? Haven't heeded the local news much lately regarding the club scene. Don't know anything about Balla folding though.
Coolera/Strandhill, they were champions in 2005, have Quinn, McPartland and Karl O'Neill from the county panel, and also are MS's cub. Will be a fair addition to them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 25, 2008, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 24, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Any of ye still visit the mayofans.com forum?

Last time I looked at mayofans.com, Mayo were playing in Croke Park! Its hard to check that forum at work because your screen looks completely green from a distance and people know your not working!  ;D

What ever happened to mchalepark.com ? It never really took off.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 25, 2008, 10:40:50 AM
What time is the match v W/meath on in Ballinrobe?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 25, 2008, 11:03:55 AM
Throw-in at 6:30 I think. Will be my first opportunity to see the green and red this year, so looking forward to it.

mchalepark.com only ever had 4/5 contributors max. And the admins on it seemed to have an agenda (one definitely did), seemed to criticise everything mgmt did. Doubt it is missed too much!
I still check mayofans.com from time to time. Not that many posters, but there are some good posts on it now and again. I agree about the colours though! They're luminous green and red, making it impossible to hide on your desktop!  ;)  especially if you're like me and everyone coming in and out of the office can see your monitors  :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 25, 2008, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 25, 2008, 11:03:55 AM
And the admins on it seemed to have an agenda (1 definitely did), seemed to criticise everything mgmt did. Doubt it is missed too much!

Ya I heard it was being used as a forum for management 'bashing' (especially against JOM). I lost interest after I heard that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 25, 2008, 12:42:10 PM
QuoteI still think that JOM is the only man in Mayo to manage our county team at the moment

whats that based on Losing to a crap donegal team in the first final this  'knows how to win finals' manager partook in with an all ireland finalist team at his disposal.
the complete no show against a weak galway team
the humilation off the loss against derry who later showed them selves to less than average.
Or is this based on what a micheal donnellan p joyce inspired team did 7 years ago in croke park.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Glensman on January 25, 2008, 01:41:54 PM
Only getting back to this now.

Chill our The Deel Rover!
A player from Ballina was training with a friend's club up here (in Antrim!) and I wanted to know did he start the Connaught final...not conspiracy or passing it on to Nemo...sure they would just have to do a bit of digging (which I can't be bothered to do).

His first name is Ken I believe.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 25, 2008, 01:45:42 PM
No i didn't understand your question Glensman. its probably Kenny Golden he is corner back on the team and works in Belfast  i think
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on January 25, 2008, 01:56:16 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 25, 2008, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 25, 2008, 11:03:55 AM
And the admins on it seemed to have an agenda (1 definitely did), seemed to criticise everything mgmt did. Doubt it is missed too much!

Ya I heard it was being used as a forum for management 'bashing' (especially against JOM). I lost interest after I heard that.


was our good friend rosnarun one of the admins by any chance?!
Feckin hell ros, you're starting early with the same old record, any chance you could give it a game or 2 before copying and pasting another of your comments from last year?!
Have to agree with Gaeilgeoir, JOM and his Management team are the best in the county for the job. Hopefully we'll see a big improvement on last year though, I agree with you Ros on one thing, it was a poor year, just don't think it was ALL the managements fault.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 25, 2008, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on January 25, 2008, 01:56:16 PM
was our good friend rosnarun one of the admins by any chance?!
Feckin hell ros, you're starting early with the same old record, any chance you could give it a game or 2 before copying and pasting another of your comments from last year?!
Have to agree with Gaeilgeoir, JOM and his Management team are the best in the county for the job. Hopefully we'll see a big improvement on last year though, I agree with you Ros on one thing, it was a poor year, just don't think it was ALL the managements fault.

Quote from: rosnarun
whats that based on Losing to a crap donegal team in the first final this  'knows how to win finals' manager partook in with an all ireland finalist team at his disposal.
the complete no show against a weak galway team
the humilation off the loss against derry who later showed them selves to less than average.
Or is this based on what a micheal donnellan p joyce inspired team did 7 years ago in croke park.

Ros you are coming down fairly hard on John O Mahoney.
Remember that O Mahoney inherited that team that got beaten by Galway and Derry.
We are in the process of team building and making a another decent strike at winning an All Ireland in the next few years.
These things dont happen overnight and you seem a little naive to believe that we should be putting in a major challenge every year.

I about half way through "House of Pain" and in it a member of the All-Ireland winning Mayo team referred to all this bitching and complaining about the manager as being therapeutic. It reminded me of some people on here that seem to get a lot off their chest with all the bashing; letting it off your chest and then feeling good about it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 25, 2008, 04:18:20 PM
QuoteO Mahoney inherited that team that got beaten by Galway and Derry.
thats exactly my point
one manager get the team to an allireland final the other got beaten by derry, what part of it not being the managers fault is that.
he seemed to believe all the bollix written about him that all he had to do was become mayo manager  get elected to the dail and pamela anderson would become his girlfreind and they would licve happily together in trock candy mountain.

No I had nothing to do with mchalepark.com but i dod have a mayo fansite in the mid 90'ies
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 25, 2008, 04:43:50 PM
Has rosnarun not a right to criticise O'Mahony?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 25, 2008, 11:39:50 PM
I'll have to check that Pietas - I'd know some of them involved pretty well and would be very surprised if that was to be the case. I suppose there is a possibility that it may have been someone from within the Fianna Fail cumman. Can't access that page now but I don't recall any specific anti-O'Mahony vibe, I'd hope it wouldn't have been anyone connected with the Stephenites
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Son_of_Sam on January 26, 2008, 11:31:42 PM
Just for anyone not at the Mayo V Westmeath game in Ballinrobe this evening, which Mayo won. They announced that Mayo will be playing D.I.T. @ 11 a.m. in Cong tomorrow morning (Sunday).
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on January 27, 2008, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on January 26, 2008, 11:31:42 PM
Just for anyone not at the Mayo V Westmeath game in Ballinrobe this evening, which Mayo won. They announced that Mayo will be playing D.I.T. @ 11 a.m. in Cong tomorrow morning (Sunday).
What was the Mayo line up like...any pointers towards next weekend in Derry.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2008, 04:35:06 PM
From mayofans.com

Mayo 2-9 Westmeath 0-9
Mayo team:
1 Clarke
2 C Moran,
3 BJ Padden,
4 L O'Malley
5 C Barrett
6 A Higgins
7 K Higgins
8 S O'Shea
9 P Gardiner
10 J Gill
11 A O'Malley
12 M Mullins
13 C Mortimer
14 B Moran
15 A Moran
Subs: C Boyle for Gardiner, C Conroy for A Moran, B Benson for B Moran, A Capbell for A O'Malley, A Kilcoyne for Gill, T Parsons for O'Shea.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Son_of_Sam on January 27, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
Players who played very well last night where

Peadar Gardiner, Billy Joe Padden, Liam O'Malley (outstanding, took some big hits and kept going), Keith Higgins, Mickey Mullins, & Andy Moran (really bulked up & was everywhere on the pitch), Aidan Higgins put in a decent show. O yea James Gills Renaissance continued.
Austin O'Malley had an absolute stinker.

From this morning Austin O'Malley had an absolute blinder when he came on in the second half, scored a goal by forcing his way singlehandedly through an entire full & half back line & goalkeeper (Go figure, his swings in form, a real confidence player I think). Tom Parsons put in a strong display. Sean Mallee was good when he came on in the second half. Kilcoyne scored most of D.I.T.s points it was almost Mayo V Kilcoyne. The other midfielder, I think he s from Achill Con*** or something like that had a good game. O yea David Heaney was @ number 6 & put in a very good display.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2008, 08:27:47 PM
Son of Sam, could you name the team as I just took that from a report from mayofans and it seems there were some inaccuracies.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 27, 2008, 08:37:56 PM
Was in Ballinrobe last night. Surprised, but BJ played well. Would have concerns when the ball comes in in the air but he looked competent when the ball came in low. He needs to just settle to one position and soon, not sure if no 3 is the spot though. O'Malley had a great game, a hardy bit of stuff surely. Took a few fair shoulders, took them and got on with it and he looked very accompolished coming out of defence with the ball. Peadar Gardiner looked ok at midfield but still he has no notion of being there come summer......a third midfielder role wuld suit him though. Mickey Mullins put away a blinder of a goal......showed very well in first half, quiet in the second. Barry Moran had a poor enough game.........for the amount of ball floated in in the second half with the wind, he won very little of it. Donaghy he aint....
All in all, as much as I dislike sayin it ye are further along than Galway...........early days for both teams though
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2008, 08:42:20 PM
QuoteAll in all, as much as I dislike sayin it ye are further along than Galway...........early days for both though

But sure Sammon's book on coaching skills etc will have Galway ticking along nicely come the Summer time though I'd say.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 27, 2008, 08:49:33 PM
We'll judge how the coaching skills are come the end of the Summer  ;)............what kind of timing is this for releasing a book on coaching skills?! From the 3 Galway games so far, its no change from the days of Ford. Tell me, is it just a rumour that Peter "the great" has taken over the Mitchells true?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2008, 08:52:53 PM
It's no rumour, Forde is the new Mitchells manager. If nothing, it might waken the club from its slumber, they won the u-21 county title not so long ago (it could have been last year - memory is fading fast!) so should make a push for the senior title soon enough.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 27, 2008, 09:18:11 PM
Was at the Westmeath game as well. There was a very strong wind (gale!) so it was never going to be pretty I suppose.
BJP did pretty well at full back and read the ball well when it came in low - always got there before his man, but as maroon said, I wouldn't be confident when the high ball is raining down on top of him. As well as Liam O'Malley, I thought Keith Higgins and Chris Barrett did well. Barrett seems to have bulked up a fair bit since I last saw him play.
Seamus O'Shea didn't do much in midfield I'm afraid. Gardiner did a lot of running but was never going to win clean ball in the middle.
Conor Mort was very quiet, but I'm sure he'll come good. AOM had a poor game, but Micky Mullins looks very lively. Took his goal brilliantly, a bullet to the roof of the net coming in along the end line. And he played a few lovely passes to others.
Wouldn't make any judgements on last night though...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 27, 2008, 09:42:14 PM
Ive just moved to Claremorris and thinkin of playin a bit of ball............can anyone let me know whats the state of play with them. I am completely unfit and lookin to play a bit of junior to blow the cobwebs off (or probably have them beaten off me!)....anyone know a point of contact?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 28, 2008, 08:01:37 AM
I shudder at the thought of BJP and Liam O'Malley in a full-back line against a decent, even though they played well on Saturday night.

BJP just is not a full-back, although he may be our best option.

As last years championship showed O'Malley is not a good marker, poor under a high ball, and fouls too much.

Saturday night will tell alot but I'm sure if Crozier decides to throw Bradley and Muldoon into the FF line they could have a field day.

The big thing for me on Saturday night is attitude. I don't expect us to win but if the players go up their with a determination to make amends for last Summer that will be the important thing. Too often we lie down meekly. If that spirit isn't there it will be a long year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 28, 2008, 10:17:16 AM
You know im not one for spreading rumours esp where C Mcd is involved, too many people have been burned at that crack .
but word on the ground is he is transferring to Skibbereen. as his company has a 2 year contract down there .
Probably put an end to mayo days , MAny a fine player from Skib have refused to play for cork due to the distances involved
it would take some effort to play for mayo  unless he was to leave it till very late in the summer. But he looked well off intercounty pace last year and needs top level games quick.

then again this couls all be BS
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 28, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
Quotehe would need to win sam before they pipe down

well isnt that what was promised?
when you take over a team isnt it you job to make them more sucessful . esp in the manner which he undemined previous manager and only took the job in election year and then the team put in their poorest performances in years.
If you are a accusing some one of starting to play politics dont bother , henry kenny and sean flanaghan were at it years ago
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 28, 2008, 11:40:16 AM
FFS Ros, get over it will you!?  >:( ::)
It's going to be a long year if you're going to keep this up the whole way through. Most people here are interested in the football, you keep bringing your political obsessions into it - go to the non-gaa section for that shite
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 28, 2008, 12:45:40 PM
Any sign of any club fixtures yet??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 28, 2008, 01:40:53 PM
Tuberman
just setting my stall out first off. so we know where we all are.
league starts next week so there will be loads to chat about .
if you could please send on a list of acceptable subject. before then i will be able to formulate my opinions by then.
infact if you want to send over suitable opinions aswell id really be grateful as mine seem to grate and i'd hate to annoy you.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Pietas on January 28, 2008, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 28, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
Quotehe would need to win sam before they pipe down

well isnt that what was promised?


By whom? When?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 28, 2008, 03:35:32 PM
id love to answer that but tuberman hasn't given me permission yet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 29, 2008, 12:22:06 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 29, 2008, 09:57:05 AM
Quoteid love to answer that but tuberman hasn't given me permission yet

Ok, I was having a bad Monday morning and you got some of the backlash, but seriously, grow up a bit. Where did I say you needed my permission to answer a question.
I just said you should go to the non-gaa section if you're going to continue your anti-JOM campaign for political reasons.
Now, stop sulking ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 29, 2008, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 29, 2008, 12:22:06 AM
Thank you

Yeah thanks Mod
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2008, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 29, 2008, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 29, 2008, 12:22:06 AM
Thank you

Yeah thanks Mod

Thanks for what exactly? ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 29, 2008, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2008, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 29, 2008, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 29, 2008, 12:22:06 AM
Thank you

Yeah thanks Mod

Thanks for what exactly? ???

Lets just say that last night there was a bit of political mud slinging and a few posts were removed that could have been liable.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ildanach on January 29, 2008, 04:33:06 PM
shit,  i always miss the good stuff and it gets deleted before i have chance to read it >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2008, 07:41:35 PM
Me too ildanach, I'm always a bit too early or a bit too late for all the goings on! :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 29, 2008, 10:17:56 PM
Got my two tickets for the club mayo do next tuesday
anyone interested in going along for a look
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 30, 2008, 12:39:23 PM
Any Club League fixtures out yet??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2008, 04:14:33 PM
Probably not till the night before going on the last few years Davitt Man. ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 30, 2008, 04:35:27 PM
ya i suppose a complete list of fixtures for the year ahead is too much to ask for off the county board
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 30, 2008, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 29, 2008, 10:17:56 PM
Got my two tickets for the club mayo do next tuesday
anyone interested in going along for a look

I will be there with a gang, probably going to make a night of it too.  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 31, 2008, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 30, 2008, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 29, 2008, 10:17:56 PM
Got my two tickets for the club mayo do next tuesday
anyone interested in going along for a look

I will be there with a gang, probably going to make a night of it too.  ;)

I heard the County Board has banned that particular rabble of troublemakers from this gathering.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on February 01, 2008, 08:34:33 AM
Starting team V Derry...

1     David Clarke
2     Conor Moran
3     Billy Joe Padden
4     Liam O'Malley
5     Chris Barrett
6     Trevor Howley
7     Keith Higgins
8     Seamus O'Shea
9     Peadar Gardiner
10   James Gill
11   Alan Dillon
12   Michael Mullins
13   Conor Mortimer
14   Austin O'Malley
15   Andy Moran
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on February 01, 2008, 12:20:03 PM
James Gill back again ....that guy has nine lives
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 01, 2008, 06:41:51 PM
Good see howley given a chance at his best position, i'd expect him to shine
Also good to see dillon in the middle, he really needs to step up to the plate this year if we're to do anything
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 04, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
I was back home at the weekend and had a look at our pitch, the place was under water, how can a team train on that, how are other clubs managing for training facilities?? It rained solid for the weekend in Mayo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 04, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 31, 2008, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 30, 2008, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 29, 2008, 10:17:56 PM
Got my two tickets for the club mayo do next tuesday
anyone interested in going along for a look

I will be there with a gang, probably going to make a night of it too.  ;)

I heard the County Board has banned that particular rabble of troublemakers from this gathering.

All friends now Stephenite, I think.  ;)

The night kicks off at 630pm with a 700pm start. There will be some 'light' refreshments and hopefully a chance to mingle with the guest speakers after the launch. Some of us might mingle on a while afterwards in town if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 05, 2008, 12:50:19 AM
Quote from: muppet on February 04, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
All friends now Stephenite, I think.  ;)

All respectable now eh ;) Can only be a good idea in fairness, the amount of goodwill towards Mayo GAA in the capital from long term exiles is a massive resource that if managed correctly can go a long way towards securing valuable finances for the running of the county teams.

I suspect most of it will go towards refurb of McHale park (the stadium not the website ;))
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 05, 2008, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 05, 2008, 12:50:19 AM
Quote from: muppet on February 04, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
All friends now Stephenite, I think.  ;)

All respectable now eh ;) Can only be a good idea in fairness, the amount of goodwill towards Mayo GAA in the capital from long term exiles is a massive resource that if managed correctly can go a long way towards securing valuable finances for the running of the county teams.

I suspect most of it will go towards refurb of McHale park (the stadium not the website ;))

Well you'd never know.

Look a this: http://www.clubmayo.ie/ (http://www.clubmayo.ie/)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 05, 2008, 05:14:10 PM
the whole club mayo thing looks very much lib an offshoot of the county board. but there are a few interesting names there one of which i believe contrbutes here. All Ireland tickets on tap and all that!
now I know were not allowed to out any one but this is a case where it should be hands up so we know who we are dealing with as i reckon this make you a defacto couty board member.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 06, 2008, 09:23:31 AM
Quote
Look a this: http://www.clubmayo.ie/ (http://www.clubmayo.ie/)

Did anyone go to this last night? What was the story?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 06, 2008, 12:58:06 PM
The preliminary league fixtures for respective clubs are available on www.mayogaa.com
Navigate to Fixtures, Club Fixtures, and then your club. Dates and times TBC

I got an email that the Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship draws will take place in TF Thurs night, at 9:30pm
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 06, 2008, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 06, 2008, 12:58:06 PM
The preliminary league fixtures for respective clubs are available on www.mayogaa.com
Navigate to Fixtures, Club Fixtures, and then your club. Dates and times TBC

I got an email that the Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship draws will take place in TF Thurs night, at 9:30pm

The website is down at the minute, Abbeysider do you know if the 1st round is on Paddys Day
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 06, 2008, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 06, 2008, 09:23:31 AM
Quote
Look a this: http://www.clubmayo.ie/ (http://www.clubmayo.ie/)

Did anyone go to this last night? What was the story?

try mayofans.com or mayogaa.com they all seem to be singing off the same hymnsheet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 07, 2008, 02:46:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 06, 2008, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 06, 2008, 09:23:31 AM
Quote
Look a this: http://www.clubmayo.ie/ (http://www.clubmayo.ie/)

Did anyone go to this last night? What was the story?

try mayofans.com or mayogaa.com they all seem to be singing off the same hymnsheet

One website is down and hardly ever updated when it's up, the other is a discussion board for fans. I can't see the County board lads getting too involved with a discussion board in fairness.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on February 07, 2008, 08:12:40 AM
i think one of the mayofans brigade is involved with this thing and its a great cause.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 07, 2008, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 06, 2008, 02:17:14 PM
The website is down at the minute, Abbeysider do you know if the 1st round is on Paddys Day

We will have to wait and see. If Ballina are playing in the club All-Ireland I cant see a full round of club fixtures taking place that weekend. Then again I could be wrong.

Quote from: AbbeySider
Navigate to Fixtures, Club Fixtures, and then your club. Dates and times TBC
That link I was referring to seems to be removed again.  ???  >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 07, 2008, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 07, 2008, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 06, 2008, 02:17:14 PM
The website is down at the minute, Abbeysider do you know if the 1st round is on Paddys Day

We will have to wait and see. If Ballina are playing in the club All-Ireland I cant see a full round of club fixtures taking place that weekend. Then again I could be wrong.

Quote from: AbbeySider
Navigate to Fixtures, Club Fixtures, and then your club. Dates and times TBC
That link I was referring to seems to be removed again.  ???  >:(


Sure Ballina are only a mickey mouse Division 2 side - they'll hardly hold the leagues up for us
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: venter on February 07, 2008, 10:16:04 AM
QuoteSure Ballina are only a mickey mouse Division 2 side - they'll hardly hold the leagues up for us

Fair point!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 07, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Venter, whats happening with Cross? Who ye getting in as manager in May? Is moffat only filling in untill then
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 07, 2008, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 07, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Venter, whats happening with Cross? Who ye getting in as manager in May? Is moffat only filling in untill then

As far as i know Daviit Man moffatt is manager for the year with Thomas Loftus and Johnny Leonard as selectors 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on February 07, 2008, 12:53:23 PM
Anybody know anything about Kiltanes new manager, McLoughlin from crossmolina?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 07, 2008, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 07, 2008, 12:53:23 PM
Anybody know anything about Kiltanes new manager, McLoughlin from crossmolina?

Jj is it ludermor didn't realise he was Kiltanes new manager. He won an AI under 21 with Mayo when O'Mahony was the manager, a tough uncompromising player in his day, he managed Cross seniors before Tommy Jordan was manager in fact it was him who brought Tommy back to the club scene.He was a fair manager ,who ever was going well in training got the games names didn't matter to him. After he left us he went to Tourlestrane ( i think) could have won a county title with them but I'm not to sure on that  fact. He also manged the North Mayo team. His son Henry plays with Cross at the moment. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 07, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
kiltane could be struggling this year, edmund barrett has transfered to dublin club st judes
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 07, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
is that Liam moffatt that has been made Cross manager? or have they gone back on their knees to his dad

John joe will do a great job with kiltane Gabriel would be no joke either (even if they are really from Moygownagh)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 07, 2008, 02:42:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 07, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
is that Liam moffatt that has been made Cross manager? or have they gone back on their knees to his dad

John joe will do a great job with kiltane Gabriel would be no joke either (even if they are really from Moygownagh)

??? ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 07, 2008, 04:16:01 PM
lets just say he was offered it before but turned it down for the same selectorial reasons there is so much trouble in cork at the moment. the offical reason not the frank murphy one
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 07, 2008, 04:36:23 PM
who offered it to him ? You have to be nominated at the agm ? Anyway we haven't done to bad without him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on February 07, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
Hello deelrover,
any word on ciaran mac and nallen.I last heard nallen was not decided but i say he is gone.Macdonald could go another round or two i reckon, is he training with anyone or where is he working these days?
Sounds like d brady will be returning after the club championship ends for them,any word on oneil?
He was another that could do damage even if his legs are wearing out.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 07, 2008, 07:30:59 PM
it was offered to him at the agm some years back but he took a huff because of the selectors issue. so is it the son of sam that is the new manager then? hope its more successful than his crack at the dail. 
Mannix
O neill has playe done good game for mayo since his return the AIF . isnt it time we looked elsewhere? too many good young player get sacrificed in a race to keep some of these old timers going Dillon andy moran Conor mortimer are well enough experienced now to bring more through and there are some great prospects coming
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on February 07, 2008, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 07, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
kiltane could be struggling this year, edmund barrett has transfered to dublin club st judes

Yeah Ed is gone and a couple of the other main players are going to Oz later in teh year, they could struggle bigtime
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 07, 2008, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 07, 2008, 07:30:59 PM
Mannix
O neill has playe done good game for mayo since his return the AIF . isnt it time we looked elsewhere? too many good young player get sacrificed in a race to keep some of these old timers going Dillon andy moran Conor mortimer are well enough experienced now to bring more through and there are some great prospects coming

Sure loads of these young players are getting their shots at the moment from what I can tell, Mullins, Benson etc. If they're good enough they'll be there come the championship and if they're not than we may as well get what we can out of those that are proven while they're still willing and able.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 07, 2008, 11:31:30 PM
Check PM Stephenite.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 08, 2008, 12:41:00 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 07, 2008, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 07, 2008, 12:53:23 PM
Anybody know anything about Kiltanes new manager, McLoughlin from crossmolina?

Jj is it ludermor didn't realise he was Kiltanes new manager. He won an AI under 21 with Mayo when O'Mahony was the manager, a tough uncompromising player in his day, he managed Cross seniors before Tommy Jordan was manager in fact it was him who brought Tommy back to the club scene.He was a fair manager ,who ever was going well in training got the games names didn't matter to him. After he left us he went to Tourlestrane ( i think) could have won a county title with them but I'm not to sure on that  fact. He also manged the North Mayo team. His son Henry plays with Cross at the moment. 
I'd be near certain he never managed Tourlestrane. I'm not sure who was there in 02 after Egan, but don't think it was him. Never heard of him managing any Sligo team for that matter, a rarity amongst Cross men it would appear. :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on February 08, 2008, 08:20:16 AM
on oneil and younger players,  how many would score two goals in an aif or score those type points against dublin in that semi?
i would like to see them and think oneil is still worth his place on the panel.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 08, 2008, 09:08:55 AM
The C\ship draw was last night, does anyone have the full draw?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2008, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: mannix on February 07, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
Hello deelrover,
any word on ciaran mac and nallen.I last heard nallen was not decided but i say he is gone.Macdonald could go another round or two i reckon, is he training with anyone or where is he working these days?
Sounds like d brady will be returning after the club championship ends for them,any word on oneil?
He was another that could do damage even if his legs are wearing out.


Hows it going Mannix , Ciaran MC was back training with the club last saturday he was flying the fecker, he is working in meath at the moment so i can't see him been able to do the training required for o'mahony,  i doubt he will be back which probably suits Cross better it would be great to have Jimmy and Ciaran available for training all year round it would be great  for the young lads, Jimmy is 34 and Mc 33 so it would be great if we got another year or 2 out of them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2008, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 08, 2008, 12:41:00 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 07, 2008, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 07, 2008, 12:53:23 PM
Anybody know anything about Kiltanes new manager, McLoughlin from crossmolina?

Jj is it ludermor didn't realise he was Kiltanes new manager. He won an AI under 21 with Mayo when O'Mahony was the manager, a tough uncompromising player in his day, he managed Cross seniors before Tommy Jordan was manager in fact it was him who brought Tommy back to the club scene.He was a fair manager ,who ever was going well in training got the games names didn't matter to him. After he left us he went to Tourlestrane ( i think) could have won a county title with them but I'm not to sure on that  fact. He also manged the North Mayo team. His son Henry plays with Cross at the moment. 
I'd be near certain he never managed Tourlestrane. I'm not sure who was there in 02 after Egan, but don't think it was him. Never heard of him managing any Sligo team for that matter, a rarity amongst Cross men it would appear. :P

He definitely managed in sligo Om could have been them team that o'hara plays with. Ye its a bit Ironic we have Cross men managing teams all over the place and had a job to get one for our own team   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 08, 2008, 11:19:20 AM
QuoteSure loads of these young players are getting their shots at the moment from what I can tell, Mullins, Benson etc. If they're good enough they'll be there come the championship and if they're not than we may as well get what we can out of those that are proven while they're still willing and able
.
those guys were willing and able two years ago . no direpect to the best bunch of mayo players ive seen but its time to move on.
Part of brining on young players is trusting them.
how comfortable and trusted would you feel if you were wearing K O neill's or C MCd's Jersey and the crowd baying for blood every time you kicked the ball wide.
O Mahony should look at the IRFUs team as an example no matter how good players were in the past you have to realize the right time to move on . i think thats now for Mcdonald nallen o neill and D brady ,
Heaney is still in his prime and i'd hang on to him , the rest should bow out Gracefully, and i dont say that lightly ,
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2008, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 08, 2008, 11:19:20 AM
QuoteSure loads of these young players are getting their shots at the moment from what I can tell, Mullins, Benson etc. If they're good enough they'll be there come the championship and if they're not than we may as well get what we can out of those that are proven while they're still willing and able
.
those guys were willing and able two years ago . no direpect to the best bunch of mayo players ive seen but its time to move on.
Part of brining on young players is trusting them.
how comfortable and trusted would you feel if you were wearing K O neill's or C MCd's Jersey and the crowd baying for blood every time you kicked the ball wide.O Mahony should look at the IRFUs team as an example no matter how good players were in the past you have to realize the right time to move on . i think thats now for Mcdonald nallen o neill and D brady ,
Heaney is still in his prime and i'd hang on to him , the rest should bow out Gracefully, and i dont say that lightly ,

Just wondering why you think they should retire Ros is it because you think they are too old or simply not up to it? All i know is that i wouldn't swap Jimmy or Mc For any other club player in the county they are still two of the best club players around. Darragh o' shea is the same age  and i don't think you would hear many Kerry people asking him to bow out. Anyway i'd say your wish will come through and you won't see the lads mentioned in the red and green again

Also you don't have to be a youngster to have some elements of the crowd baying for your blood, its not many years ago that such elements nearly forced Ciaran Mc Away from intercounty football   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 08, 2008, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 08, 2008, 09:08:55 AM
The C\ship draw was last night, does anyone have the full draw?

I dont have the actual draw but I know that we will be entertaining you guys in Foxford in the 2nd round!
Yourself and prewtna will be in for a treat when we put on our display.  :P  :D

Our first game is against Charlestown at home and our last game is against Garrymore at home.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 08, 2008, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 08, 2008, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 08, 2008, 09:08:55 AM
The C\ship draw was last night, does anyone have the full draw?

I dont have the actual draw but I know that we will be entertaining you guys in Foxford in the 2nd round!
Yourself and prewtna will be in for a treat when we put on our display.  :P  :D

Our first game is against Charlestown at home and our last game is against Garrymore at home.


Cheers Abbeysider, better get the boots on so..
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on February 08, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
TF Royal Hotel & Theatre Mayo Senior Football Championship 2008



Section A


Round


1 Ballintubber v Charlestown                 

1 Garrymore v Bohola Moy-Davitts         




2 Bohola Moy-Davitts v Ballintubber       

2 Charlestown v Garrymore                   




3 Ballintubber v Garrymore                   

3 Charlestown v Bohola Moy-Davitts     




Section B


Round


1 Crossmolina v Ballinrobe                   

1 Louisburgh v Knockmore                   




2 Knockmore v Crossmolina                 

2 Ballinrobe v Louisburgh                     




3 Crossmolina v Louisburgh                 

3 Ballinrobe v Knockmore                     




Section C


Round


1 Shrule-Glencorrib v Breaffy                 

1 Cill tSeadhna v Ballaghaderreen         




2 Ballaghaderreen v Shrule-Glencorrib   

2 Breaffy v Cill tSeadhna                       




3 Shrule-Glencorrib v Cill tSeadhna       

3 Breaffy v Ballaghaderreen                   




Section D


Round


1 Burrishoole v Claremorris                   

1 Castlebar v Ballina                           




2 Ballina v Burrishoole                         

2 Claremorris v Castlebar                     




3 Burrishoole v Castlebar                     

3 Claremorris v Ballina                         







TF Royal Hotel&Theatre Mayo Intermediate FootballChampionship 2008



Section A

Round

1 Acaill v Ballyhaunis 

1 Mayo Gaels v Westport 



2Westport v Acaill 

2 Ballyhaunis v Mayo Gaels 



3 Acaill v Mayo Gaels 

3 Ballyhaunis v Westport 



Section B

Round

1 Kilmeena v Bonniconlon

1 Aghamore v Béal an Mhuirthead



2 Béal an Mhuirthead v Kilmeena 

2 Bonniconlon v Aghamore 



3 Kilmeena v Aghamore 

3 Bonniconlon v Béal an Mhuirthead



Section C

Round

1 Cill Chomain v Swinford 

1 Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin v Crossmolina B



2 Crossmolina B v Cill Chomain

2 Swinford v Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin



3 Cill Chomain v Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin

3 Swinford v Crossmolina B



Section D

Round

1 Kiltimagh v Hollymount 

1 Tuar Mhic Éadaigh v Davitts 

1 Kilmaine - Seachtain Saor



2 Davitts v Kiltimagh 

2 Hollymount v Kilmaine 

2 Tuar Mhic Éadaigh - Seachtain Saor



3 Davitts v Hollymount 

3 Kilmaine v Tuar MhicÉadaigh 

3 Kiltimagh - Seachtain Saor



4 Hollymount v Tuar MhicÉadaigh 

4 Kiltimagh v Kilmaine 

4 Davitts - Seachtain Saor



5 Tuar Mhic Éadaigh v Kiltimagh 

5 Kilmaine v Davitts 

5 Hollymount - Seachtain Saor









TF Royal Hotel&Theatre Mayo Junior FootballChampionship 2008



Section A

Round

1 Castlebar B v Knockmore B

1 Ballintubber B v Kilmovee 



2 Kilmovee v Castlebar B

2 Knockmore B v Ballintubber B



3 Castlebar B v Ballintubber B

3 Knockmore B v Kilmovee 



Section B

Round

1 Ballina B v Ardagh 

1 Ballycastle v Balla 



2 Balla v Ballina B

2 Ardagh v Ballycastle 



3 Ballina B v Ballycastle 

3 Ardagh v Balla 



Section C

Round

1 Killala v Shrule-Glencorrib B

1 The Neale v Moygownagh 

1 Kilfian - Seachtain Saor



2 Moygownagh v Killala   

2 Shrule-Glencorrib B v Kilfian 

2 The Neale - Seachtain Saor



3 Moygownagh v Shrule-Glencorrib B

3 Kilfian v TheNeale 

3 Killala - Seachtain Saor



4 Shrule-Glencorrib B v The Neale 

4 Killala v Kilfian 

4 Moygownagh -Seachtain Saor



5 The Neale v Killala   

5 Kilfian v Moygownagh 

5 Shrule-Glencorrib B - Seachtain Saor



Section D

Round

1 Bohola Moy-Davitts B v Crossmolina C

1 Claremorris B v Westport B

1 Lacken - Seachtain Saor



2 Westport B v Bohola Moy-Davitts B

2 Crossmolina C v Lacken 

2 Claremorris B - Seachtain Saor



3 Westport B v Crossmolina C

3 Lacken v Claremorris B

3 Bohola Moy-Davitts B - Seachtain Saor



4 Crossmolina C v Claremorris B

4 Bohola Moy-Davitts B v Lacken 

4Westport B - Seachtain Saor



5 Claremorris B v Bohola Moy-Davitts B

5 Lacken v Westport B

5 Crossmolina C -Seachtain Saor



Section E

Round

1 Béal an Mhuirthead B v Aghamore B

1Eastern Gaels v Ballycroy   



2 Ballycroy v Béal an Mhuirthead B

2 Aghamore B v Eastern Gaels 



3 Béal an Mhuirthead B v Eastern Gaels 

3 Aghamore B v Ballycroy   



Section F

Round

1 Ardnaree v Acaill B

1 Ballaghaderreen B v Breaffy B



2 Breaffy B v Ardnaree 

2 Acaill B v Ballaghaderreen B



3 Ardnaree v Ballaghaderreen B

3 Acaill B v Breaffy B



Section G

Round

1 Swinford B v Charlestown B

1 Louisburgh B v Carramore 



2 Carramore v Swinford B 

2 Charlestown B v Louisburgh B



3 Swinford B v Louisburgh B

3 Charlestown B v Carramore 



Section H

Round

1 Cill Chomain B v Lahardane 

1 Islandeady v Ballinrobe B



2 Ballinrobe B v Cill Chomain B

2 Lahardane v Islandeady 



3 Cill Chomain B v Islandeady 

3 Lahardane v Ballinrobe B


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 08, 2008, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 08, 2008, 11:19:20 AM
QuoteSure loads of these young players are getting their shots at the moment from what I can tell, Mullins, Benson etc. If they're good enough they'll be there come the championship and if they're not than we may as well get what we can out of those that are proven while they're still willing and able
.
those guys were willing and able two years ago . no direpect to the best bunch of mayo players ive seen but its time to

Im not so sure about those guys being ready two years ago. Sure Benson is only 21 so 2 years ago he was 19.
A little young in my book.
Who do you think (from the current panel) should have been brought in 2 years ago?

In 2006 there we had a serious panel and the likes of Benson, Campbell, Kilcullans, O Se etc were too young. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 08, 2008, 12:34:55 PM
you mis read abbey sider the full original qute was
Quotewell get what we can out of those that are proven while they're still willing and able
what im saying is 2 years on its time for real change and give those players you mention their head in 2008  and that cant really happen when you have so much experience on the bench . they need to feel that its their team and they are not just getting a chance untill the  second half  when all the big guns will come on.
Last year was such a wasted year that most of the older guys missed their final chance i think . which is the main reason i pissed off with o mahony not because hes a blueshirt bastard
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2008, 02:54:44 PM
Now, now ros you cannot criticise O'Mahony for anything remember...

Anyway, can't wait for the clash of Knockmore/Crossmolina in the championship. I'd nearly go for Knockmore and Cross to come through that round anyway. It'll be interesting to see how Ballagh do in Bangor as well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2008, 03:04:51 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2008, 02:54:44 PM
Now, now ros you cannot criticise O'Mahony for anything remember...

Anyway, can't wait for the clash of Knockmore/Crossmolina in the championship. I'd nearly go for Knockmore and Cross to come through that round anyway. It'll be interesting to see how Ballagh do in Bangor as well.

Sould be good farrandelin allways enjoy the games in knockmore the crowd are on top of ya, and they know their football in the parish of the backs and very appreciative they are too, its many a time i heard them say great score Mc when the blond bomber would put one over the bar :D also you can't bate a pint in the clubhouse after the match
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: venter on February 08, 2008, 07:12:17 PM
QuoteVenter, whats happening with Cross? Who ye getting in as manager in May? Is moffat only filling in untill then

Davitt man, as the deel rover said, Liam Moffatt has the job full time. Fair play to Liam. It cant be easy when he is based in Dublin till May at least. Mick Moyles is back training along with 40 others so there is plenty of interest in getting another shot at the title.

Who has the best set of forwards in the county at the moment?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 09, 2008, 02:50:37 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2008, 11:03:13 AM
He definitely managed in sligo Om could have been them team that o'hara plays with. Ye its a bit Ironic we have Cross men managing teams all over the place and had a job to get one for our own team   
Still don't think he did Deel Rover, unless it was a brief sojourn, Egan quit after 2001, Anthony Brennan was in charge for the title win in '04, and could have been there before that, and it defintely wasn't Curry anyway. Don't recall him being with any of the others (Tubber, Easkey etc.) either. Castleconnor I don't know about. Will check it out someday to see.

Re the SFC draw, from the outside looking in, I'd expect Ballagh (another rather handy group), Kiltane, Cross, Knockmore, Stephenites, Mitchels, Charlestown and maybe Garrymore to emerge. Group D in the IFC looks a tough one.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 09, 2008, 11:03:34 AM
QuoteWho has the best set of forwards in the county at the moment?

Hard to look past Ballagh and Crossmolina for that one venter. Glad to have ya back on board, you were missing for lots of last year.

Regarding the championship predictions; Moy davitts and Charlestown, Knockmore and Crossmolina, Shrule and Ballaghaderreen and Castlebar and Ballina. Castlebar under Peter Forde will also add some spice to the county championship. Will he motivate the Mitchels to play like Galway did under him to get fired up for the Ballina game? If he does, there'll be some skelpin at that game!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on February 10, 2008, 11:14:53 AM
Davitt Man - seems like a good year to progress in both senior and junior

Senior Championship Group A

Garrymore 
Ballintubber 
Charlestown 
Bohola Moy-Davitts 

Ballintubber  v Charlestown   
Garrymore  v Bohola Moy-Davitts   

Bohola Moy-Davitts  v Ballintubber   
Charlestown  v Garrymore 

Ballintubber  v Garrymore   
Charlestown v  Bohola Moy-Davitts 

away to charlestown is always tricky as is garrymore but not impossible. ballintubber at home will be a good open game id say. its time to get out of the group stages and not be fighting relegation - its no craic that!

Junior Championship Group D

Lacken 
Westport B
Claremorris B
Crossmolina Deel Rovers C
Bohola Moy-Davitts B

Bohola Moy-Davitts B v Crossmolina Deel Rovers C
Claremorris B v Westport B

Westport B v Bohola Moy-Davitts B
Crossmolina Deel Rovers C v Lacken 

Westport B v Crossmolina Deel Rovers C   
Lacken  v Claremorris B 

Crossmolina Deel Rovers C v Claremorris B
Bohola Moy-Davitts B v Lacken 

Claremorris B v Bohola Moy-Davitts B
Lacken v Westport B

its a good time to convert the league form from last year into the championship here methinks.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on February 10, 2008, 08:50:45 PM
QuoteI'd be near certain he never managed Tourlestrane. I'm not sure who was there in 02 after Egan, but don't think it was him. Never heard of him managing any Sligo team for that matter, a rarity amongst Cross men it would appear.

Wrong there Owenmoresider. He managed Toulestrane in the mid to late nineties.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 11, 2008, 12:03:42 AM
Well I'm near convinced Egan was at the helm from 1994 (won SFC) through to 2001, certainly was for their 1997 and 99 wins. I'll find out though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on February 11, 2008, 09:32:00 AM
QuoteWell I'm near convinced Egan was at the helm from 1994 (won SFC) through to 2001, certainly was for their 1997 and 99 wins. I'll find out though.

OK, it may haev even beeng pre 94 but he definitely managed them - i lived with a guy for a couple of years in college who played with Toulestrane so not making this up !
I know it must be difficult to take that there are some Mayo men out there who actually know a few things about Sligo football that you don't know    :P   :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 11, 2008, 03:05:37 PM
Any sign of the fecking league fixtures???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 11, 2008, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: blast05 on February 11, 2008, 09:32:00 AM
[I know it must be difficult to take that there are some Mayo men out there who actually know a few things about Sligo football that you don't know    :P   :P
Indeed, though I could be excused for not remembering the events of Sligo football in the early 90's, given that I was only 6/7 at the time. :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 13, 2008, 09:53:34 AM
League Fixtures are now available on www.mayogaa.com

Click "Results & Fixtures" then click "Club Fixtures" and select your club for a full list of Senior & Junior fixtures.

No dates have been given yet though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
After Ballina play in the All-Ireland stages, they've to play the might of Islandeady, Kilmeena and Tourmakeady in the league. It's hardly right is it but I suppose there's no changing now is there?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 13, 2008, 10:37:43 PM
It simply shows Sean Feeney and his lap dog Waldron up as the useless little runts that they always have been, more concerned protecting their own positions than actually running competitions on the basis that they were supposed to run on.

And we're actually now paying this f**king eejit a salary for this incompetence? >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 14, 2008, 12:00:09 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2008, 10:37:43 PM
It simply shows Sean Feeney and his lap dog Waldron up and the useless little runts that they always have been, more concerned protecting their own positions than actually running competitions on the basis that they were supposed to run on.

I laughed out loud 3 times reading that stephenite  :D 
Great rant ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on February 14, 2008, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
After Ballina play in the All-Ireland stages, they've to play the might of Islandeady, Kilmeena and Tourmakeady in the league. It's hardly right is it but I suppose there's no changing now is there?

I don't quite get this - are you saying that Ballina are above playing any of these teams and should be somehow protected from doing so...?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on February 14, 2008, 08:19:49 AM
QuoteIt simply shows Sean Feeney and his lap dog Waldron up as the useless little runts that they always have been, more concerned protecting their own positions than actually running competitions on the basis that they were supposed to run on.

And we're actually now paying this f**king eejit a salary for this incompetence?

Who ended up not getting any Valentines Cards?  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OakLeaf on February 14, 2008, 10:11:32 AM
I've added a new Live Scores feature to GAA Radio. If you're at any Mayo club games it'd be good if you could text score updates to 447624804328. This service is free for everyone to view at http://www.gaaradio.com/scores/liveScores.jsp . Thanks.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: muscles magoo on February 14, 2008, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
After Ballina play in the All-Ireland stages, they've to play the might of Islandeady, Kilmeena and Tourmakeady in the league. It's hardly right is it but I suppose there's no changing now is there?

I don't quite get this - are you saying that Ballina are above playing any of these teams and should be somehow protected from doing so...?

I think he's pointing out that a club that finished out of the relegation zone in last years league campaign have been effectively relegated due to County Board incompetence, and the same club that are Senior Provincial champions are now playing teams of an intermediate standard in their County league.

The worrying aspect for our club is that after a lengthy championship season - they could well struggle against these teams
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 14, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: muscles magoo on February 14, 2008, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
After Ballina play in the All-Ireland stages, they've to play the might of Islandeady, Kilmeena and Tourmakeady in the league. It's hardly right is it but I suppose there's no changing now is there?

I don't quite get this - are you saying that Ballina are above playing any of these teams and should be somehow protected from doing so...?

I think he's pointing out that a club that finished out of the relegation zone in last years league campaign have been effectively relegated due to County Board incompetence, and the same club that are Senior Provincial champions are now playing teams of an intermediate standard in their County league.

The worrying aspect for our club is that after a lengthy championship season - they could well struggle against these teams

i thought ballina never took the league serious any year Stephenite :P ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 14, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: muscles magoo on February 14, 2008, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
After Ballina play in the All-Ireland stages, they've to play the might of Islandeady, Kilmeena and Tourmakeady in the league. It's hardly right is it but I suppose there's no changing now is there?

I don't quite get this - are you saying that Ballina are above playing any of these teams and should be somehow protected from doing so...?

I think he's pointing out that a club that finished out of the relegation zone in last years league campaign have been effectively relegated due to County Board incompetence, and the same club that are Senior Provincial champions are now playing teams of an intermediate standard in their County league.

The worrying aspect for our club is that after a lengthy championship season - they could well struggle against these teams

i thought ballina never took the league serious any year Stephenite :P ;)

It'll need to be taken seriously this year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2008, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: muscles magoo on February 14, 2008, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
After Ballina play in the All-Ireland stages, they've to play the might of Islandeady, Kilmeena and Tourmakeady in the league. It's hardly right is it but I suppose there's no changing now is there?

I don't quite get this - are you saying that Ballina are above playing any of these teams and should be somehow protected from doing so...?

I think he's pointing out that a club that finished out of the relegation zone in last years league campaign have been effectively relegated due to County Board incompetence, and the same club that are Senior Provincial champions are now playing teams of an intermediate standard in their County league.

The worrying aspect for our club is that after a lengthy championship season - they could well struggle against these teams

Exactly as Stephenite pointed out. They weren't relegated but are now playing these sides because of another restructuring of the league programme.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Champ15 on February 14, 2008, 04:59:39 PM
 Im a member on the ballina senior team and we are disgusted that we have to play against these teams.2 years ago our B team played Islandeady in relegation/promotion playoff and sent them 2 down 2 division 4.No disrespect to the teams in our group its not there fault but if we want to retain moclair this year then we would like to be playing the big teams in the league to prepare us for the championship.The only plus side for us with it is that we have to take the league seriously this year and try and win it
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 14, 2008, 05:13:45 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on February 14, 2008, 04:59:39 PM
Im a member on the ballina senior team and we are disgusted that we have to play against these teams.2 years ago our B team played Islandeady in relegation/promotion playoff and sent them 2 down 2 division 4.No disrespect to the teams in our group its not there fault but if we want to retain moclair this year then we would like to be playing the big teams in the league to prepare us for the championship.The only plus side for us with it is that we have to take the league seriously this year and try and win it

If you just Kept winning the league you would have no worries ;)
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Post by: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 09:58:58 PM
The recent "administration" of this league proves what a mickey mouse competition it is, we've no interest in winning mickey mouse competitions ;)

But on a more serious note if you take a look at some of the teams that the Stephenites fielded in last years league - Liam Higgins played in goal for a few of them. What with injuries and lads off with Mayo ( 2 Bradys, Ronan Pat Harte and David Clarke ) well that puts a big hole in the centre of the team.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 15, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 14, 2008, 09:58:58 PM
The recent "administration" of this league proves what a mickey mouse competition it is, we've no interest in winning mickey mouse competitions ;)

But on a more serious note if you take a look at some of the teams that the Stephenites fielded in last years league - Liam Higgins played in goal for a few of them. What with injuries and lads off with Mayo ( 2 Bradys, Ronan Pat Harte and David Clarke ) well that puts a big hole in the centre of the team.



But that should not be happening stepenite with all the talent that Ballina has had coming through over the years it does not say a lot when you have to put Liam in goal , if i was you i'd be asking why is that the case? We have had the same number of senior footballers missing over the years the Likes of Jiimmy, Ciaran Mc, Peadar G, Michael Moyles however we still had the players available to win the league.In cross we take the league as serious as the championship because it was very important not to get relagated as that meant no senior championship football the following year.i know the format of the league has changed over the years however as a club you have to give every game 100%.  i was talking to Liam Mc Hale recently and he wished that he won  a league medal.
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Post by: Mano on February 15, 2008, 03:15:14 PM
Just to clarify the arguement between Owenmoresider and Deel Rover about John Joe McLoughlin managing Tourlestrane. John Joe was part of the management team for 94 and 95 while he was living in South Sligo but Neil Egan was the manager and John Joe was selector so i guess ye are both right.

John Joe also played when injury free at full back and played as a sub in 2 Connaught club games against Roscommon Gaels and Tuam Stars. He was an absolute animal on the pitch and from what his son did in County final last year the branch hasn't fallen far from the tree ;)
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Post by: the Deel Rover on February 15, 2008, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: Mano on February 15, 2008, 03:15:14 PM
Just to clarify the argument between Owenmoresider and Deel Rover about John Joe McLoughlin managing Tourlestrane. John Joe was part of the management team for 94 and 95 while he was living in South Sligo but Neil Egan was the manager and John Joe was selector so i guess ye are both right.

John Joe also played when injury free at full back and played as a sub in 2 Connaught club games against Roscommon Gaels and Tuam Stars. He was an absolute animal on the pitch and from what his son did in County final last year the branch hasn't fallen far from the tree ;)

thanks for that mano it wasn't an argument more like owenmoresider saying i was wrong ;) which it appears i am, i never realised he played for tourlestrane in the club championship, Aye John Joe didn't take many prisoners all right
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Post by: stephenite on February 16, 2008, 03:09:22 AM
They're fair points Deel but a separate issue - if you're told at the start of the year that the bottom two will be relegated (or however it worked) and you finish above those bottom two, you should retain your Division 1 status. It's a simple enough format, if we had finished in the bottom 2 you would hear no complaints from me.

You simply should not be in a position where restructuring takes place based on results past - it's nonsensical, stupid, hare brained notions like this what we have now come to expect from anything that Sean Feeney is involved with. Be it his publicity seeking ramblings that have embarrassed the entire association (resulting in a reprimand from HQ) or the childish antics when agreeing to go on the Last Word whilst en route to Congress to vote on Rule 42
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 16, 2008, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 16, 2008, 03:09:22 AM
They're fair points Deel but a separate issue - if you're told at the start of the year that the bottom two will be relegated (or however it worked) and you finish above those bottom two, you should retain your Division 1 status. It's a simple enough format, if we had finished in the bottom 2 you would hear no complaints from me.

You simply should not be in a position where restructuring takes place based on results past - it's nonsensical, stupid, hare brained notions like this what we have now come to expect from anything that Sean Feeney is involved with. Be it his publicity seeking ramblings that have embarrassed the entire association (resulting in a reprimand from HQ) or the childish antics when agreeing to go on the Last Word whilst en route to Congress to vote on Rule 42

I totally agree with you stephenite i can'y inderstand why they didn't leave the league format the way it was but sure that would make sense.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Champ15 on February 18, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
A question i would like answered really is that with all the re-structuring of the league why wont the county board do something about the fixtures durin the summer because that has been the real problem in the last few years.I havent seen the fixtures or dates for the league yet but i can probably guess that around half of them wont be played on the dates their ment to.
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Post by: Davitt Man on February 20, 2008, 11:22:47 AM
Still no dates given for the league yet?? fair play county board
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 20, 2008, 11:53:01 AM
is the secretary getting paid yet?
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Post by: Davitt Man on February 20, 2008, 12:02:24 PM
They probably wont give the dates untill ballina play nemo on sunday.
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on February 20, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 20, 2008, 11:53:01 AM
is the secretary getting paid yet?
you can be sure that if he isnt, it will be back paid.... he deserves every cent...look at all the good work he is doing...hurling, league fixtures....he might even be in line for a performance bonus at this stage!!!!!
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 22, 2008, 09:56:24 PM
Good luck to Ballina Stephenites on Sunday. Hope ye reach the final and wouldn't it be great if a Mayo team beat a shower of Dubs or Crossmaglen. I think Ballina will win it with the team they've named.
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Post by: Davitt Man on February 25, 2008, 12:16:39 PM
With Ballina losing yesterday it looks like the Leagues will now start on Monday 17th St Patricks Day.
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Post by: StoneWall on February 25, 2008, 01:42:03 PM
Any reason they can't be played on Sunday and let lads have Paddy's day to themselves?
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Post by: Davitt Man on February 25, 2008, 02:09:44 PM
mayo are playing kerry in the national league that sunday in castlebar so thats why the games will be played paddys day. A nice dry weekend so
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Post by: muscles magoo on February 26, 2008, 08:31:16 AM
First three league fixtures have been set according to mayogaa.com - 17/03, 24/03 and 20/04.
Championship dates also set.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 26, 2008, 09:42:41 AM
The first 2 league games are down to be played on two bank holiday mondays. thats hardly fair is it? then a break again of 3 weeks.

Also the c\ship draw is arse ways again. 2 game in 2 weeks then a 6 week break until the 3rd game!!
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Post by: From the Bunker on February 27, 2008, 01:11:32 AM
As i see that the main page on the AI Club Championship has become a dogfight between Vinnies and Cross Rangers, I thought i seek the view of my fellow county men. From a far setting the world alight, their seemed to be more guile and experience to Ballina journey to county and provincial titles, never impressive, worked to their strengths and compensated for the lack of point scoring power by nabbing more goals. The Magic of the 2005 journey just was not there from a early stage. The lack of comment on the board makes me think that there was a certain element of acceptance of the weekends result.
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Post by: rosnarun on February 27, 2008, 01:47:59 AM
more like any one who saw it saw there was very little to discuss about it. it was the most inept display of football i think ive ever seen from a mayo team outside the county. as i said some where else you have to give ballina the benefit of the doubt they can't be that bad or else may football is in far greater trouble than than the most pessimistic fan could dream of
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Post by: stephenite on February 27, 2008, 02:22:30 AM
Whilst not having seen the game, the comments from the two boys on MWR were enough to stop me from logging onto TG4 to watch it in their archives, though I will do so later in the week.

They appeared to be very flat on the day and just never got going, it seems obvious that Ronan McGarrity was no where near full fitness for this match, but also the likes of Pat Harte and DB never really got going either. Added to the loss of Ken Golden before the match and Ger Cafferky after 10 minutes than it was always a big ask. You cannot expect to win at this level when getting beaten hands down in centrefield and also without your two best man markers. However we were well beaten all over the pitch and there can be no excuses offered (even though I just did :P)

I'd say there's a fair bit of truth in what you've mentioned Bunker - Ballina seemed to win the provincial championship without ever firing on all cylinders as opposed to 2005 where they just overan their opponents

There is a lot of predictable doom and gloom but it should be noted that the teams that have gone onto represent the county over the last 10 years or so have done so with some incredible talent being helped out by the type of honest, hardworking footballer that Mayo clubs have always produced. Think Crossmolina with Jimmy & Tom Nallen, Ciaran Mac and Peadar Gardiner being supported by Joe Keane, Paul McGuinness, Johnny Leonard & Rochford, think Knockmore mid-90's with the brute strength of Stanton, Dempsey Butler et al. the skill of Kevin O'Neill backed up by the 3 Sweeneys, Graham O'Hora. Ballina with Liam McHale, DB, Mcgarrity, Brian Heffernan backed up by Brian Ruane, Ken Golden, Ger and Liam Brady, Pat Harte, the Dev's etc. Charlestown with Ginger, Higgins brothers, and the Caseys.

Remarkable generation of great players listed above and with most of them (the ones that have played inter-county) nearing or already at the end of their careers I'm beginning to wonder if we're not entering a prolonged period in the doldrums at both Inter-County and club levels. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just can't see who's going to replace some of them.

PS : I could have obviously named some players instead of other players in the list above, it's an example of the top of my head so don't bother with the back biting about players I didn't mention deserving a mention abover those that I did.

We still have the likes of Mort, Dillon, BJP, McGarrity and others who have been involved in 04&06 (in the same way that Brady, Nallen etc were involved in 96&97) and the question is if we can bring through enough of the U-21 winning team to supplement these guys for the next few years.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on February 27, 2008, 09:15:51 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 27, 2008, 02:22:30 AM

Remarkable generation of great players listed above and with most of them (the ones that have played inter-county) nearing or already at the end of their careers I'm beginning to wonder if we're not entering a prolonged period in the doldrums at both Inter-County and club levels. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just can't see who's going to replace some of them.

[ quote ] i agree with what you have said stephenite ,i have stated before the league campaign that i think we are going to have a tough few years ahead of us, no disrespect to the players that are coming through but they are not near the same quallity of player that we are loosing. If you go to a club championship game this year i guanantee you the the likes of Jimmy , Ciaran Mc, David Brady will stand out.  I don't know if you Knew Michael Walsh stephenite owner of the Broken Jug and previous owner of the dolphin in crossmolina has died, many a good day we had together cheering on Cross and Mayo he loved his football and may he rest in peace.
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Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on February 27, 2008, 10:02:29 AM
Don't know if it's good news for Mayo or just for Cross but Ciaran Mac was training with Na Fianna last night, he must be working in the Dublin area at the moment? Apparently he was in fine fettle at training but as for if he's going back to the county set up or not who knows, maybe some of the Cross lads would know more?
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Post by: stephenite on February 27, 2008, 10:10:54 AM
Didn't hear the bad news about Michael Walsh - a true gentleman. RIP
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Post by: the Deel Rover on February 27, 2008, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on February 27, 2008, 10:02:29 AM
Don't know if it's good news for Mayo or just for Cross but Ciaran Mac was training with Na Fianna last night, he must be working in the Dublin area at the moment? Apparently he was in fine fettle at training but as for if he's going back to the county set up or not who knows, maybe some of the Cross lads would know more?

Aye Ciaran is working in Meath at the moment so he is training with Na Fianna During the week and he trains with us on a saturday night, he is flying a training at the moment and as i said before i can't see him playing with mayo, in fairness i wouldn't blame him he burst his balls to get fit last year and yet for the Derry game all o'mahony gave him was 10 minutes near the end after bringing on 4 other forwards so it  shows you what o mahony thought of him, anyway it would be great for cross if he didn't play for mayo selfish on my behalf i know but if we had jimmy and mc around for the whole time you never know what could happen.
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Post by: rosnarun on February 27, 2008, 11:23:30 AM
shocking news about michael walsh .he was a close neighbour of mine .  mayo and cross have lost a true friend . twas hard to go to a match but you'd meet him .
he really brought Crossmolina back to life when he took over the dolphin  he even had reversed the trend with some ballina heads heading out to Cross but some women came as well so well forgive him for that. :)
may he RIP
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Post by: the Deel Rover on February 27, 2008, 11:28:09 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 27, 2008, 11:23:30 AM
shocking news about michael walsh .he was a close neighbour of mine .  mayo and cross have lost a true friend . twas hard to go to a match but you'd meet him .
he really brought Crossmolina back to life when he took over the dolphin  he even had reversed the trend with some ballina heads heading out to Cross but some women came as well so well forgive him for that. :)
may he RIP

never seen him as happy as the night Andy Merrigan arrived in Cross, what a night you couldn't swing a cat in the dolphin that night happy memories
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Post by: stephenite on February 27, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Great football man indeed, always had a word for you even if it was only after a junior game and you were in the Dolphin for a pint after.
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Post by: rosnarun on February 27, 2008, 11:35:19 AM
thats for sure i couldn't get in from what i remember . still the night must have cost him a fortune ive never seen a bar man so ready to buy customers a drink . not sure i ever bought one in his time there still us simple Letterbrick folk have to stick together.
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Post by: Davitt Man on March 05, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
Scheduling of club games concerns players
By: William Nestor

THE Mayo GAA County Board have come under strong criticism from clubs and players around the county, by scheduling the first two rounds of league fixtures on Bank Holiday weekends. The first-round of all matches are provisionally fixed for St Patrick's Day, March 17, and the following round to be played on the following Easter Bank Holiday weekend.

Club players in Mayo have expressed their discontent at the decision taken by the County Board to play all matches on the Bank Holiday weekends. The announcement by the County Board was made in lieu of Ballina's defeat to Nemo Rangers in the All-Ireland Club SFC Semi-Final.


If Ballina had won, the league fixtures would more than likely have had to be put back, as the final is contested on Monday, March 17.


However, the County Board have denied this. "The match fixtures would still have gone ahead even if Ballina had won," said Paddy McNicholas, Vice-Chairman of the County Board.


The short notice of the fixtures gives club managers only three weeks to prepare for the start of their respective campaigns, but it is the players' dissatisfaction that their holiday periods have been hindered by having to play on the Bank Holiday periods that has raised the most concern.


Both Mayo senior hurling and football teams are in competition on the Saturday and Sunday respectively of the St Patrick's weekend pile-up.



T he county teams are not in action on the following weekend, apart from the Mayo U-21s, so it is expected that matches will be spread over the Saturday, Sunday and Monday.


An Intermediate club player has brandished it "ridicu-lous" that everyone has to play on two Bank Holiday weekends in a row. "Hopefully we can play on Saturday evenings or Sundays then lads could have some free time to them-selves," he said.


Some clubs around the county have asked the County Board for their matches to be changed from the Bank Holiday Mondays in order to relieve the weekends for their players. The Mayo County Board have said the dates fixed for matches are "indicative" and may be subject to change.


At a time when there is much talk of player burn-out in GAA circles, it is quite possible that Mayo dual star Keith Higgins may find himself playing three matches in three days: Mayo hurling (Saturday), Mayo football (Sunday) and Ballyhaunis club football (Monday).


Even if matches are switched to Saturdays and Sundays, it still remains an issue that players' long weekends are disrupted. There are many dual players around the county that will have to juggle both codes over the St Patrick's weekend.


There will be a meeting held tonight (Tuesday) by the County Board to finalise dates for all club matches for both weekends.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Champ15 on March 05, 2008, 01:52:44 PM
Anybody hear how the county board meeting went last nite
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on March 05, 2008, 07:40:52 PM
as i said to davitt man one night at training, we dont mind when the matches are played, so much as not knowing when they wont be played! if that makes sense!! having them on two bank holidays in a row is a bit rich alright but at least there is certainty. where the real annoyance arises is when you dont now from one end of the year to the other when or if mtches will be played. a fixed numder of weekends should be declared free of matches at the start of the year (including replays or postponed matches) and no match under any circumstance should be played on those specified weekends, bank holiday weekends would be a good starting point!
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Post by: Tubberman on March 11, 2008, 10:31:59 AM
QuoteMAYO will go into championship battle without two of their most experienced and decorated footballers this summer with the news that both David Brady (33) and Kevin O'Neill (34) have informed team management of their decision to retire.
John O'Mahony confirmed to The Mayo News last night that both players had been contacted prior to a trial game last weekend and that both had confirmed they would not be available for selection this season.
"I'd like to pay tribute to both lads," said O'Mahony. "They've both been great servants of Mayo football and they will be sorely missed. But, having said that, they are both always welcome in a Mayo dressing-room.
"Kevin is stepping away from county football I think because he's found it increasingly difficult to balance his work commitments with the huge demands that are on inter-county players now," he added. "He has a very busy schedule and there's a lot of travel involved with his job too.
"I know David has retired from inter-county football before but I get the feeling this might be the last time. I talked to him last October and he said he would wait and see how he felt after Ballina were out of the club championship. I spoke to him again last week and he said he felt he didn't have anything else to offer. I have to respect that decision.
"With Kevin and David opting out you're obviously going to lose a lot of experience, skill and talent and that will be missing now in the near future. But, on the other hand, there are opportunities there now for other players to step into the breach."
One player who did take part in the trial game last Saturday was James Nallen. However, there was no sign of his club-mate, Ciaran McDonald, despite his return to club training recently.
"James won't be part of our plans for the league but he has a huge amount of experience and we'll be keeping in contact with him," revealed the Mayo manager. "I've also spoken with Ciaran McDonald. He hasn't played inter-county football for eight months now but we'll be keeping in touch with him too."


So the end of the road for DB and Kevin O'Neill.
JOM sounds very noncommittal about McD and Nallen. Personally, I don't think Nallen has the legs for it any more, but McD still has a lot to offer if the back isn't giving him trouble. I know there's no need to play them in the league because everyone knows what they can do, but "we'll be keeping in touch" is a bit wishy washy. Would they not need to be rejoining the panel for training if they were part of the plans for the summer?
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 11, 2008, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2008, 10:31:59 AM
QuoteMAYO will go into championship battle without two of their most experienced and decorated footballers this summer with the news that both David Brady (33) and Kevin O’Neill (34) have informed team management of their decision to retire.
John O’Mahony confirmed to The Mayo News last night that both players had been contacted prior to a trial game last weekend and that both had confirmed they would not be available for selection this season.
“I’d like to pay tribute to both lads,” said O’Mahony. “They’ve both been great servants of Mayo football and they will be sorely missed. But, having said that, they are both always welcome in a Mayo dressing-room.
“Kevin is stepping away from county football I think because he’s found it increasingly difficult to balance his work commitments with the huge demands that are on inter-county players now,” he added. “He has a very busy schedule and there’s a lot of travel involved with his job too.
“I know David has retired from inter-county football before but I get the feeling this might be the last time. I talked to him last October and he said he would wait and see how he felt after Ballina were out of the club championship. I spoke to him again last week and he said he felt he didn’t have anything else to offer. I have to respect that decision.
“With Kevin and David opting out you’re obviously going to lose a lot of experience, skill and talent and that will be missing now in the near future. But, on the other hand, there are opportunities there now for other players to step into the breach.”
One player who did take part in the trial game last Saturday was James Nallen. However, there was no sign of his club-mate, Ciaran McDonald, despite his return to club training recently.
“James won’t be part of our plans for the league but he has a huge amount of experience and we’ll be keeping in contact with him,” revealed the Mayo manager. “I’ve also spoken with Ciaran McDonald. He hasn’t played inter-county football for eight months now but we’ll be keeping in touch with him too.”


So the end of the road for DB and Kevin O'Neill.
JOM sounds very noncommittal about McD and Nallen. Personally, I don't think Nallen has the legs for it any more, but McD still has a lot to offer if the back isn't giving him trouble. I know there's no need to play them in the league because everyone knows what they can do, but "we'll be keeping in touch" is a bit wishy washy. Would they not need to be rejoining the panel for training if they were part of the plans for the summer?

He hasn't even contacted him Tubberman to discuss whether he is in his plans or not
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Post by: Davitt Man on March 11, 2008, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 11, 2008, 10:31:59 AM
QuoteOne player who did take part in the trial game last Saturday was James Nallen. However, there was no sign of his club-mate, Ciaran McDonald, despite his return to club training recently.

Nalllen still knocking around?? He hasnt the legs anymore for county stuff.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on March 12, 2008, 06:58:11 PM
The end for a few older faces is no surprise, macdonald is reportedly still flying around the field and would be a great addition but jom has other ideas, i hope his ideas are going to produce something better than what we are seeing so far this year and lasts years championship, his reputation counts for nothing unless he can get something out of his panel.
How would you lads feel with another dismal championship showing? would jom be as respected and God like then?
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Post by: dodo on March 12, 2008, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: mannix on March 12, 2008, 06:58:11 PM
The end for a few older faces is no surprise, macdonald is reportedly still flying around the field and would be a great addition but jom has other ideas, i hope his ideas are going to produce something better than what we are seeing so far this year and lasts years championship, his reputation counts for nothing unless he can get something out of his panel.
How would you lads feel with another dismal championship showing? would jom be as respected and God like then?

Ah Mannix, that's awful rubbish to be coming out with at this stage of the year. Fair enough IMO to be questioning his decisions and so on but to start enquiring about how his stock will fall if things go badly at championship time is the sort of negativity that would sink us all. What Mayo need is for supporters to come in on the side of the team and not to so ready to be doom and gloom about things.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2008, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: dodo on March 12, 2008, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: mannix on March 12, 2008, 06:58:11 PM
The end for a few older faces is no surprise, macdonald is reportedly still flying around the field and would be a great addition but jom has other ideas, i hope his ideas are going to produce something better than what we are seeing so far this year and lasts years championship, his reputation counts for nothing unless he can get something out of his panel.
How would you lads feel with another dismal championship showing? would jom be as respected and God like then?

Ah Mannix, that's awful rubbish to be coming out with at this stage of the year. Fair enough IMO to be questioning his decisions and so on but to start enquiring about how his stock will fall if things go badly at championship time is the sort of negativity that would sink us all. What Mayo need is for supporters to come in on the side of the team and not to so ready to be doom and gloom about things.

I understand what you are saying Dodo but i also see where mannix is coming from if you look at the competetive reults since the national league final last year we have lost to Donegal twice, Derry Twice, Beaten Cavan and drawn with Laois not pretty reading by any manner of means. Micky moran got us to the Ai in 2006 yet he was turfed out do you think that if he was still manager and getting those results that he wouldn't be under pressure? At the end of the day i think that the managers job is overrated anyway if you have the players you can have success if not you wont thats why i think Mayo have been fighting above their weight for the last few years . If you look at the galway team that won the All Irelands look at the forwards they had Donnellan, Fallon, Joyce, Savage, Finnegan to name but a few it was them that won the Ai not Jom yet he has made the name for himself. Like you said we don't want negativity but O'mahony has to prove to us that he is the man as of yet he hasn't and in fairness he wasn't slow in showing his own negativity when John Maughan was in charge with his Articles in the western people.
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Post by: rosnarun on March 13, 2008, 11:30:20 AM
QuoteFallon, Joyce, Savage, Finnegan
and not donnellan. tut tut tut iwould have expected better deel rover a bit like mentioning Austie and forgetting Ciaran Mcdonald.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 13, 2008, 11:30:20 AM
QuoteFallon, Joyce, Savage, Finnegan
and not donnellan. tut tut tut iwould have expected better deel rover a bit like mentioning Austie and forgetting Ciaran Mcdonald.


:-[ :-[ :-[ ;) :D
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Post by: Tubberman on March 13, 2008, 12:00:16 PM
QuoteMicky moran got us to the Ai in 2006 yet he was turfed out

I really don't want to be raking over old coals, but I hate the example of Mickey Moran being brought up all the time. Moran said at the time of his appointment that he was only going to stay for 2 years. The commute from Derry was too much, he couldn't keep doing it.
So he had a great first year, got to an All-Ireland final but we were humiliated there. Now, seeing as he was only going to stay for another year what was the benefit of keeping him on?
It was obvious there was a serious rebuilding needed, and he wasn't going to be around to do it. So it was the right time to say "Thanks for everything Mickey" and bring in someone who could commit to longer and had a track record - JOM was the obvious and ideal candidate. 
They certainly could have handled it better when deciding to end Mickey Moran's stewardship, but the decision itself was correct in my opinion.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2008, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2008, 12:00:16 PM
QuoteMicky moran got us to the Ai in 2006 yet he was turfed out

I really don't want to be raking over old coals, but I hate the example of Mickey Moran being brought up all the time. Moran said at the time of his appointment that he was only going to stay for 2 years. The commute from Derry was too much, he couldn't keep doing it.
So he had a great first year, got to an All-Ireland final but we were humiliated there. Now, seeing as he was only going to stay for another year what was the benefit of keeping him on?
It was obvious there was a serious rebuilding needed, and he wasn't going to be around to do it. So it was the right time to say "Thanks for everything Mickey" and bring in someone who could commit to longer and had a track record - JOM was the obvious and ideal candidate. 
They certainly could have handled it better when deciding to end Mickey Moran's stewardship, but the decision itself was correct in my opinion.
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Time will tell tubberman , how long do you think Jom will stay on as manager personally i think he will be gone next year can't see him staying on for 5 or 6 years
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Post by: mannix on March 13, 2008, 04:27:40 PM
Deel rover is on the money in nearly every area.He omitted the fact that jom had a mediocre team in leitrim in 1994, yet they were able.
Dodo, i will agree to disagree with you.My view is that jom has a decent panel to work with in Mayo, if they are not a lot better this year and I hope they are then someone is going to be held responsible. If the young lads coming through are not bursting with self belief then they will win nothing.Kerry only win because they believe in their own abilities and know how to stay calm, the lack of goals shows the lack of confidence .I have watched a few games on video and our forwards are in good positions but panic, this is one of a lot of problems that need attention.
I think Mayo can beat most teams with their football but the big one or two are mentally beating us.
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Post by: rosnarun on March 13, 2008, 04:29:52 PM
the coals are still the to be raked obviously.
for the 1000th time it is far more humilating to lose to derry in a qualifier than to lose to what is proving to be an all time great Kerry team in the final.
The only difference is there is more people watching.
so far O mahony has ballsed up and we have to give him a chance to prove that he wasn't  just a lucky manager ie taking on Galway at exactly the right time.
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Post by: rosnarun on March 13, 2008, 04:32:04 PM
Quoteleitrim in 1994

:( now that was real humiliation.
but o mahony did nothing Maughan didnt do in clare
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 13, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 13, 2008, 04:32:04 PM
Quoteleitrim in 1994

:( now that was real humiliation.
but o mahony did nothing Maughan didnt do in clare

Its not often I agree with you but that is a good point.

I think history will look kindly at Maughans managerial legacy.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2008, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 13, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 13, 2008, 04:32:04 PM
Quoteleitrim in 1994

:( now that was real humiliation.
but o mahony did nothing Maughan didnt do in clare

Its not often I agree with you but that is a good point.

I think history will look kindly at Maughans managerial legacy.

Absolutely Abbeysider when you see where he brought us from to where we got to, just missing out on Sam .As i said i personally don't think he had the same pool of talent as say O 'mahony had with Galway or the likes of Kerry , or Tyrone however we were there or there abouts who knows what might have been if Colm Coyles kick didn't hop over the bar in 1996 :(
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Post by: dodo on March 13, 2008, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2008, 09:59:12 AM

I understand what you are saying Dodo but i also see where mannix is coming from if you look at the competitive results since the national league final last year we have lost to Donegal twice, Derry Twice, Beaten Cavan and drawn with Laois not pretty reading by any manner of means. Micky Moran got us to the AI in 2006 yet he was turfed out do you think that if he was still manager and getting those results that he wouldn't be under pressure? At the end of the day i think that the managers job is overrated anyway if you have the players you can have success if not you wont thats why i think Mayo have been fighting above their weight for the last few years . If you look at the galway team that won the All Irelands look at the forwards they had Donnellan, Fallon, Joyce, Savage, Finnegan to name but a few it was them that won the AI not Jom yet he has made the name for himself. Like you said we don't want negativity but O'mahony has to prove to us that he is the man as of yet he hasn't and in fairness he wasn't slow in showing his own negativity when John Maughan was in charge with his Articles in the western people.

I agree totally regarding O'Mahony's record from the league final onwards last year. Even more concerning is the team he picked for Salthill last year in the championship and afterwards how quickly that team was dismembered (so to speak  ::)) for the Cavan game. The performance in Derry was poor, lucky to be competitive at half time given the performance. O'Mahony's has a lot of work to do to prove himself in this tenure as manager, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering his past record which I would not be as quick to dismiss as others. When you consider our situation before he came on board, the 2004 and 2006 AI finals were absolute disasters for the county. A lot of the older leaders have moved on and along with this a total overhaul of approach is essential to bring us on. If we are in agreement that this overhaul is necessary, then time has to be allowed for progress to occur. He gave the 2006 AI team their run in Salthill last year and were beat comprehensively. Against Cavan the new lads did OK but the opposition were limited enough (Pierse Hanley looked the part but that's another story). Surely from these matches and this year's matches he is a lot better informed and that we will see the product of this soon.
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Post by: rosnarun on March 14, 2008, 10:52:27 AM
Quote2004 and 2006 AI finals were absolute disasters for the county.
Jeez
MODs
can I be granted an exemption from the personal abuse laws for Just one post please
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 14, 2008, 10:56:56 AM
steady Ros steady ;) :D
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Post by: Davitt Man on March 14, 2008, 02:38:29 PM
The league is starting this weekend, no talk about it all. Maybe shows that the clubs dont really care about it anymore??
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 14, 2008, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on March 14, 2008, 02:38:29 PM
The league is starting this weekend, no talk about it all. Maybe shows that the clubs dont really care about it anymore??

Well we can't be accused of not taking the league seriously in Cross Dm looking forward to the start of the league .Are we not playing each other on Monday? Dusting the auld boots meself the juniors are playing on sunday against ardnaree looking forward to it i must say, hope i don't cease up mind :D
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Post by: rosnarun on March 14, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
are there many actual players or even people living within their parishes on here .most of us seem to be exiles of on sort or another
Ive forgotten where ive hung my boots( Maybe if the keenagh team reforms) i have a look , but apart from a few ballintubber lads and deel rover Apparently who else will be togging monday?
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 14, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 14, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
are there many actual players or even people living within their parishes on here .most of us seem to be exiles of on sort or another
Ive forgotten where ive hung my boots( Maybe if the keenagh team reforms) i have a look , but apart from a few ballintubber lads and deel rover Apparently who else will be togging monday?

there is no apparently ros i will be togging out might not be playing though  :D
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Post by: rosnarun on March 14, 2008, 03:53:18 PM
of course you will and good luck with that . who is in charge this year?.
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Post by: dodo on March 14, 2008, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 14, 2008, 10:52:27 AM
Quote2004 and 2006 AI finals were absolute disasters for the county.
Jeez
MODs
can I be granted an exemption from the personal abuse laws for Just one post please

Let her rip Rossie
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Post by: dodo on March 25, 2008, 09:27:23 PM
Saw this on Mayofans.com
Didn't realise that he was so badly injured.
Hope it all works out for him.
No source was given for the piece.


QuoteHAVE you ever wondered what happened to Kenneth O'Malley? Remember him? The goalkeeper from Ballinrobe who made his senior league and championship debut for Mayo last year. Great shot-stopper, wonderful kick-out, good temperament. Ring any bells? He was being talked about as being the next great white hope of county goalkeeping. The next Murphy or Cluxton and the man who was about to battle with David Clarke for the number one jersey for years to come.
How quickly some of us forget.
You see, in case you didn't hear, Kenneth O'Malley hasn't kicked a football since November 15 last year. It was a Thursday in case you're wondering. A random Thursday afternoon when he boarded the University of Limerick team bus and headed off to Templemore for a run-of-the-mill Higher Education League quarter-final against the Garda College.
Eleven months had passed since he was called into the Mayo senior panel. Forty-four weeks of club games, county matches and training sessions. U-21 and senior. A constant regime of togging out and doing the business. He was looking forward to the end of the season.
A few hours later, as Kenneth O'Malley lay on the cold, wet pitch in Templemore, he knew his year was over. In fact, he feared it was an awful lot worse. The pain in his chest was unbearable and he could feel himself losing consciousness. He was afraid. Something was wrong.
Now, almost four months on, he knows exactly what was wrong. His kidney was severed in two when a Garda College forward collided with him. One half of the organ died instantly while the fate of the other half won't be known fully until the end of next month.
And in the meantime, Kenneth O'Malley tries to get back to some kind of normality. His football career and life in general has been stopped in its tracks.

What's the up to date situation on your injury?
KOM The last time I spoke to my doctor he told me that there was only 50% of my kidney there. He doesn't know if that's working or not at the moment, he's hoping that it will regenerate over time. In about two months I'll know for definite if the remaining 50% is going to work again.

How is it affecting your everyday life?
KOM I wouldn't have even have 50% of the energy that I had in the past. College is tough going, I have to make up for everything I missed, and having to do double the work with only half the energy is tough. I'm just hoping that I'll be able to catch up.
I wouldn't stay up past 10 o'clock anymore because if I do the next day is practically ruined. I can't even jog across the road at the moment because of the impact and I just feel tired all the time. I've been told it's part and parcel of having a kidney problem.

How are you feeling mentally now?
KOM At the start I wasn't willing to accept it. I just kept telling myself that I'd be fine. But I attempted to drive down to Limerick shortly after Christmas but had to give up when I got to Galway. I just have to accept it now. I can't do the things that I was able to do so it's a case of not not fighting your body. You can deal with it or let it eat you up. It was a very unfortunate thing to happen but how I deal with it is going to make me or break me. It was an accident and now I have to get on with it.

What do you remember about what happened?
KOM We were losing by ten points early on in the game but I had saved a penalty from Denis Glennon. We ended up going back level and it was getting exciting going into injury-time. One of their lads took a shot from about 40 yards out that was going over the bar. If it did, they probably would have won the game.
I jumped up over the crossbar but couldn't catch the ball, I just managed to knock it down. The ball was just off the ground so I dived straight out onto it, a Superman dive I suppose you could say. One of their forwards came rushing in, with his knees up to protect himself, my whole body was open. He hit me straight into the side with his knee and I knew straight away I was in trouble.
I thought I was winded initially because I couldn't breathe. But then the pain started coming... I can't even describe how bad it was. I was in and out of consciousness. I was told since that I went pure white and I knew something was seriously wrong.

Can you describe what was going through your mind?
KOM I was very afraid. I won't pretend I wasn't. I couldn't breathe, there was so much pressure on my chest. Everything and anything was going through my head. I couldn't breathe anyway but then I started panicking too. That didn't do me any good either.
An ambulance was called and had to come from Nenagh. Our team physio thought initially that I had broken some ribs but I wasn't so sure. I had pain everywhere. Then they thought my lung had collapsed and I was given some morphine to try and ease the pain.
I spent about six hours in Nenagh Hospital. They did tests on my lungs and were trying to calm me down. It was a bad time. I had calmed down a little because the pain had eased off and I was told that there was no damage to my lungs. I was told I was free to go.
I was actually walking out the door when one of the doctors stopped me and asked me for a urine sample. It was just pure chance. It turned out that I had internal bleeding and if I had left the hospital and gone home, while bleeding so much, who knows what could have happened...

How long did you spend in hospital altogether?
KOM I was in Nenagh for three to four days while they figured out exactly what was wrong with me and whether or not they could deal with it. I was transferred from there to the urology department in Limerick and it was there that they discovered that my kidney was sliced in two. They told me that half was dead and the other half was badly damaged. I spent another nine days in hospital there... It wasn't a good time.

When did the seriousness of it all dawn on you?
KOM It happened on a Thursday and I was transferred to Limerick the following Monday. They did the tests on me all day and the following morning, at around 8am, the doctor did his rounds and told me the news.
I was on my own at the time. It was a relief in one sense. I knew there was something wrong but nobody could tell me what was wrong. It was almost a relief then that they had figured it out and I could get my head around it.
When I come back playing again, I'll appreciate it.

What was the lowest point?
KOM I was totally bed-ridden in hospital. I wasn't allowed out of the bed at all for nine days. For me, as an active person, that was very difficult. I was completely helpless. It was demoralising. I had to get help doing absolutely everything and I had some very bad days.
About two days after being admitted I lost all concept of who I was and where I was. I don't know if was the medication or my body reacting or what but it was very frightening. I remember sitting up, looking around me, and seeing my name on the bed behind me. Things started to come back me at that point and it passed off.
Getting home allowed me get back to normal a little bit. I had my parents around, I wasn't alone with my thoughts, and I had a lot of friends and people from the club calling.
THE new year brought a new start for Kenneth O'Malley and he returned to college in Limerick last month. There is a lot of catching up to be done as last semester was effectively lost and he notices that it is not as easy to concentrate and absorb information when lacking so much energy.
But the affable young sportsman has come a long way in a short time. Only last Saturday night he celebrated his 21st birthday with family and friends in Ballinrobe. He is also back driving again and can at least walk from A to B of his own free will. None of this was possible during Christmas so he is drawing strength from the positives. As for the future, well that will have to take care of itself.

Have you thought about the 'worst case scenario'?
KOM I don't like to hear that kind of negative talk. Some people have advised me to stay away from football in the future. I could end up in a situation or an accident where I end up damaging my other kidney and what happens then? It's all ifs and buts. You could drive yourself mad thinking all that could go wrong but there's just no point.

How are you looking at your football career now?
KOM It's impossible to set myself any targets at the moment. When I'm ready to even start coming back my first instinct will be to get my body right. I've lost all strength in my body so that will have to be built up again. So will that ability to go 100% into a tackle again. I don't want to be worrying about what happened before so as soon as I'm able to be back, I will.

Has it changed you?
KOM That's a good question...I made my senior debut for Mayo last year and this was going to be the biggest year of my football career so far. I was going to use last year as a foundation to build on. But that obviously won't happen now.
Football has been my life but, realistically, I wouldn't have huge hopes for my football career this year. I'm prepared for the specialist to tell me that but I just have to wait and see.

Does something like this teach you a lot about yourself?
KOM It makes you appreciate what you have, how good things were, and how good they will be again.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on April 06, 2008, 04:16:20 AM
That was in the Mayo News.
Poor lad got a very bad doing. And you know what he'd be a great option for free taking for Mayo! He was sticking them over from anywhere within 60 metres for Ballinrobe last year. Don't know if you could have a goalkeeper coming all the way upfield to take frees though! He was a serious keeper though, would have been very tight this year between him and Clarke
Just goes to show, out of sight, out of mind. Not that much interest in his plight around Mayo. Pity really
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Post by: StoneWall on April 16, 2008, 02:10:38 PM
Looks like Feeney is getting a nice pension position...

http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eyaumhkfoj&cat=sport

Mayo seek full-time GAA secretary


HOW would you like to find yourself at the nerve-centre of Mayo GAA? Do you think you're capable of organising the day-to-day business of the county's main sporting organisation? Do you believe that you have the ability, drive and desire to take on such a role? If you have answered 'yes' to all of the above questions then you could very well be in line for a change of employment.

The search is on for the first full-time secretary of the Mayo County Board and the closing date for applications is April 25th.

Chairman of the County Board, James Waldron, told The Western People that while the job is a challenging and exciting one, it is also tough and arduous, which will require great dedication and commitment.

"The workload is huge and we're very lucky to have been selected by Croke Park as one of the county's to get a full-time secretary. Our current secretary Sean Feeney has worked extremely hard in a voluntary capacity for years, giving huge amounts of his time to the job," the chairman explained.

It's understood that Mr Feeney will be applying for the position, but the job is open to the public and application forms are available from Croke Park by contacting countysecmayo@admingaa.ie. A job description and application form will then be issued to the potential applicants by e-mail only.

It is understood that the authorities in Croke Park will then appoint an interview panel, which should have strong Mayo representation according to Waldron.

"Croke Park set the criteria for all these things but I'm sure that we'll have some input, because obviously the successful candidate will be working hand in hand with the county chairman and the county board, so it stands to reason," he added.

The successful candidate will be responsible for the day-to-day management of County Board activities and will be accountable to the County Committee and will report to the County Chairman. He or she will also have to have excellent written and oral communication skills as well as having a working knowledge of the Irish language. The new secretary will also have an under-standing of accounting systems and the capability to manage finances in conjunction with the treasurer as well as having a proven track record of leadership, management, decision making and organisational skills, or an equivalent qualification.
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Post by: rosnarun on April 18, 2008, 11:28:41 AM
well who all is going to nenagh tomorrow? any team news ?. it could well be the game of the year but trying to find anything about it is like looking for Lord Lucan
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Post by: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2008, 01:42:56 PM
I'll be there rosnarun. There's not much word about it anywhere though. Typical GAA I suppose...
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Post by: Davitt Man on April 18, 2008, 02:08:01 PM
its better off being a quiet build up, were playing kerry!! We have built up kerry games before and got badly burnt...
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Post by: Farrandeelin on April 20, 2008, 10:53:56 AM
I even made the television when the camera (twice) showed a fella in the stand with his hood up! ;D I had my phone on silent and received numerous text messages in the first half and was surprised that I was on tv cos it never happens me. The only positive from yesterday!
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Post by: ildanach on May 12, 2008, 11:59:50 AM
I was at the challenge game in dunderry yesterday. First half mayo looked good going forward scoring 12 points (10 from play) and lead 1.07 to 0.12. Second half was very stop start with endless substitutions so it was hard to judge them. Lost in the end 2.17 to 0.16.
From the first half though McGarrity, C Mortimer, Kilcoyne, Dillon and K Higgins all played well.
On the down side James Nallen was given a torrid time at full back by Sheridan in the first half and in the second cunniffe went in on him and got more of the same.
Wont give those who played well in the second as it was too disjointed but one thing that was really annoying was that it was taking 4 and 5 passes to gain any ground up the field at all!!

Also Howley came down very heavey on his ankle jsut as the game was ending. It looked serious. Hopefully it was a sprain and nothing else.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on May 14, 2008, 08:27:10 AM
ny word on what howleys injury is?
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Post by: stephenite on May 14, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Broken ankle I've heard - 8 weeks out. Was looking forward to seeing how he coped at Championship level wearing no.6 , a great league
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Post by: Davitt Man on May 19, 2008, 09:35:56 AM
Did Mayo have a challenege at the weekend??
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Post by: Champ15 on May 19, 2008, 02:13:02 PM
Didnt ave a challenge game just an A v B game amongst themselves
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Post by: the Deel Rover on May 20, 2008, 10:55:30 AM
Artice This Weeks Mayo News


Mayo jetting off to Portugal for training camp

Daniel Carey

THE Mayo senior football team will head for Portugal next Sunday for a week-long training camp as preparations for the championship opener on June 22 step up a gear.
John O'Mahony will be hoping all of his squad members come through next weekend's club championship matches unscathed so they can take their places on the plane.
"I suppose phase one of the championship preparation is over," the manager told The Mayo News last night (Monday). "Now you're getting into a different phase, and that's why, with the players with their clubs two weeks either side of it, it's a good opportunity to fine-tune our championship preparations."
Warm weather training camps have become an increasingly common feature of inter-county championship preparation, and the travelling party will include players, management and members of the backroom team as well as a County Board presence.
On the injury front, Trevor Howley has severely damaged his ankle ligaments, but contrary to initial reports, he has not broken any bones.
The Knockmore man saw a specialist last Wednesday who revealed that the x-ray of his ankle showed 'ligaments detached from the bone' rather than a fracture.
"It's still quite a serious injury, but it's probably not as serious as if it had to go into full cast ... the recovery time might be quicker," said O'Mahony.
"I wouldn't be hugely optimistic about him making the Sligo match, but some people have different healing rates.
"The important thing is that everything is being done for everyone and they're doing it themselves to get back as quickly as possible. What kind of a timeframe is involved, we'll just have to wait and see."
The news is better on Liam O'Malley, who is 'making good progress' in his recovery from a shin injury, according to O'Mahony. There is a possibility that the defender will play some part in Burrishoole's championship game against Claremorris.
David Heaney picked up a knee injury during last Thursday's defeat to Offaly in a challenge match in Roscommon. O'Mahony says the hard ground was probably to blame for the knock, but is hoping that it's not too serious. "He should be fine," the manager confirmed.
A number of players sat out last weekend's club league matches with minor knocks, but Trevor Mortimer's hamstring strain, Conor Mortimer's thigh problem, Kieran Conroy's shoulder trouble and James Gill's groin injury should all be cleared up in time for next weekend.
O'Mahony won €250 in the recent Mayo GAA Development Draw. The manager said it was 'nice to get a few bob' but said with a laugh that he had 'a lot more invested in it' than he had won! County Board Treasurer JP Lambe was the recipient of €500 in the draw.

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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 21, 2008, 01:11:48 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on May 20, 2008, 10:55:30 AM
Artice This Weeks Mayo News


County Board Treasurer JP Lambe was the recipient of €500 in the draw.



There's so much comic material in that fact  :D
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Post by: stevo-08 on June 25, 2008, 04:35:01 PM
Lads,
a mate of mine is involved with the Tourlestrane Hurling team in Sligo and he wants to arrange some challenge games. A game against a Mayo club would be ideal. He wants to avoid the top clubs, so if you could give me a list of lower-mid table Hurling clubs in the county, that'd be great.

Thanks
Stevo
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Post by: the Deel Rover on June 25, 2008, 04:47:41 PM
jesus there are not many clubs stevo - 08 , all i can think off are Ballina , Belmullet, Ballyhaunis, Toreen , castlebar ?
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Post by: stevo-08 on June 25, 2008, 05:02:59 PM
sounds very similar to the situation in sligo, Deel. Only a handful of clubs playing here.

Ballina or Castlebar probably his best bet so. Is there a league in Mayo - who's the top club? (& one to avoid for a challenge game)

thanks for that.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on June 25, 2008, 05:07:35 PM
Well Ballina are county champions they got to the connacht club final last year its nearly allways between them and Ballyhaunis the past few years ,
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on June 26, 2008, 07:39:33 AM
Ballina and Ballyhaunis are the top two at the minute alright. Tooreen and then Westport wouldn't be a million miles behind them while both Belmullet and Castlebar would be competitive in terms of not getting hammerings, they'd rarely make the semi-finals the last few years. That's all the adult clubs there are in the county
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Post by: stevo-08 on June 26, 2008, 08:28:12 AM
guys, thanks for that. very much appreciated.
if any of yiz have any contacts (names/numbers) in belmullet or castlebar, then maybe you might pm me the details.

thanks again.
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Post by: AbbeySider on July 04, 2008, 11:41:03 AM

County board await ref's report
03 July 2008

The Mayo County Board are awaiting referee Vincent Neary's report from the Aghamore v. Kiltimagh league match that saw five players sent off and a mass brawl ensue among players and mentors from both sides.

The neighbours met in the league at Gilmartin Park recently and in a tempestuous affair, Neary dismissed five players, four from Aghamore and one from Kiltimagh.

Before any of the sending offs, players and mentors from both sides became involved in a mass brawl that lasted a number of minutes before calm was restored.

However, the county board will await the referee's report before deciding what course of action, if any, to take.




Sounds fairly serious? How did it erupt?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on July 04, 2008, 09:38:26 PM
Well going by my experience of playing Aghamore the last few years I think it would be safe to say they started it! Last few times we played them there has been brawls started by them. Very one on their side gets involved. The have some fat pr*ck on the sideline who is always mouthing crap. Four sent off says it all.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2008, 07:26:19 PM
QuoteThe have some fat pr*ck on the sideline who is always mouthing crap.

:D I know a fella from Aghamore so I'll try and find out from him!

Title: Kevin McStays weekly column
Post by: stephenite on October 01, 2008, 02:50:21 AM
So Kevin McStay is finishing up his weekly column for the Mayo News after 13 years (it couldn't be 13 f**king years ago :o) , I for one always enjoyed his musings and whilst not always agreeing with him or his opinions he certainly always had the best interests of Mayo football at heart.

There were those of us from Internet land that attended (and others on here that organised) a function in the Burlington Hotel and both Kevin and John Maughan made the effort to travel and be guest speakers, they also made the effort to sit down and have pints and chats with those of from the Internet land that mounted some scathing attacks on many of those involved at the coalface of Mayo football and they were gentlemen to the core about it all. He always kept a keen eye on the Mayo discussions here and gave us a mention when things were really bad and we were all pulling our hair out.

As someone who now resides abroad I'll certainly miss this particular column.

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5053&Itemid=39 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5053&Itemid=39)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2008, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 01, 2008, 02:50:21 AM
So Kevin McStay is finishing up his weekly column for the Mayo News after 13 years (it couldn't be 13 f**king years ago :o) , I for one always enjoyed his musings and whilst not always agreeing with him or his opinions he certainly always had the best interests of Mayo football at heart.

There were those of us from Internet land that attended (and others on here that organised) a function in the Burlington Hotel and both Kevin and John Maughan made the effort to travel and be guest speakers, they also made the effort to sit down and have pints and chats with those of from the Internet land that mounted some scathing attacks on many of those involved at the coalface of Mayo football and they were gentlemen to the core about it all. He always kept a keen eye on the Mayo discussions here and gave us a mention when things were really bad and we were all pulling our hair out.

As someone who now resides abroad I'll certainly miss this particular column.

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5053&Itemid=39 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5053&Itemid=39)

Sometimes he could grate but his thoughts were always worth reading and he had his finger on the pulse. Pity its finished
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 25, 2008, 04:52:27 PM
Is he having a dig at mort ?


Tuesday, 25 November 2008 





Mayo must play a team game, says Secretary


Seán Feeney's report to Mayo GAA Convention is published

Mike Finnerty

MAYO must play as a team, and not as individuals, if they are to win the elusive All-Ireland senior football title, according to Mayo GAA secretary, Seán Feeney, in his annual report to next Monday's Mayo GAA Convention.
In the course of a rather low-key address, the full-time administrator also touches on the subject of voluntary effort, professionalism in the GAA, the McHale Park development project, and the challenges facing the GAA in the future.
However, it is his opinions on the county's senior football team that will interest most Mayo supporters. The straight-talking secretary wrote that he 'cringed' when he read some interviews with Mayo players last summer.
"The senior team must be disappointed with their season," said Feeney. "No effort was spared by management to prepare the team. The week in Portugal was productive but unfortunately in tight games reason often goes out the window.
"The Galway and Tyrone games could and should have been won. There is one lesson yet to be learned and that is TEAM effort wins matches, not a team of individuals.
"It does not matter whether you go through the backdoor or the front door, the end is Sam Maguire. Some of the interviews given by players prior to and during the campaign made me cringe. I hope we have seen the last of it. Let's do the talking on the field, not in the newsprint. I would like to thank the manager and his backroom team for the effort put in, and if key positions are adequately filled there is no reason why further progress could not be achieved."
He also makes his views clear on the issue of footballers like Mayo's Pearce Hanley being snapped up by Australian Rules clubs.
"Players will be offered contracts here and there and in particular Australia," writes Feeney. "A player is entitled to consider any offer and make up his own mind. If he decides to go that is his choice. GAA players in the past have achieved very high office in this country combining their intellectual abilities with their sporting achievements. The facts are there.
"If any player believes that he should be paid to play then he is in the wrong sport. The Mayo Supporters Club, Comhairle Chonnacht and Mayo County Board have rewarded many players in the past, and will in the future, but I often wonder how many have been appreciated. Other players have been offered similar scholarships from other educational institutions, these compliment one another."


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 25, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 25, 2008, 04:52:27 PM
Is he having a dig at mort ?
...

hard to tell. Mort and Andy Moran gave an interview last year that was a bit controversial.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 25, 2008, 05:11:51 PM
i think mort said  before the galway game that the only option was to beat galway because we weren't a back door team or something like that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on November 25, 2008, 05:40:56 PM
Quote"If any player believes that he should be paid to play then he is in the wrong sport

Substitute
Player for adminstrator and see if it still holds true
also did the interviews make him cringe nearly as much as the rest of us when his anti t**ker campaign re: the nally affair embarrassed mayo GAA
hes some flute
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on November 26, 2008, 04:40:02 PM
If a player trains hard and is in the right frame of mind then as long as his team are in the hunt he should be thinking Sam Maguire and nothing else.
I think feeney hit the nail on the head, some of the stuff our players said is cringe worthy. They should be told shut up or at least be positive if asked about their teams chances.
One lad even said that m and m turned the team 360 degrees and now they were going places, talk about a nail to hang yourself on.We are not a qualifier team? If you have trained that hard you are whatever you want to be.
I think that some lads just are not driven enough.
If only I had the talent to put it over the bar like them, the fight would be no problem.
Tyrone bury mort in the net and Mayo look at them and walk away, not one man among the lot of them said a word.
Kenny mortimer would have repaid the deed but nobody bothers today and we are seen as soft for it.
JOM had better put some fire into Mayo very soon or let somebody else do it for him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 11, 2008, 01:43:28 PM
Taking this from the hogan stand

O'Mahony: Progress has been made
11 December 2008


Mayo manager John O'Mahony feels that the foundations have been laid for the coming year as the Connacht side look to pick up some silverware in 2009.

By their high standards, this year's campaign was a poor one for Mayo, but O'Mahony believes that they are heading in the right direction at last.

"I'd like to have won the Connacht title in 2008 and I would like to be further along development-wise, but I feel that solid progress has been made. I hope that the coming season shows most of that progress," said O'Mahony.

"We'd like to be more settled in the spine of the team and we're constantly looking to achieve this, but we have to deal with what we have and make the most of our squad."

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tatler Jack on December 11, 2008, 09:13:11 PM
Have a feeling that Mayo will be in the hunt in 2009 - have a fair sprinkling of good players and I feel O'Mahoney will give it a mighy effort both for his personal pride and political future. Assuming all players are available and a bit of luck they cold be in Croke Park in late Sept.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 12, 2008, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on December 11, 2008, 09:13:11 PM
Have a feeling that Mayo will be in the hunt in 2009 - have a fair sprinkling of good players and I feel O'Mahoney will give it a mighy effort both for his personal pride and political future. Assuming all players are available and a bit of luck they cold be in Croke Park in late Sept.

We still have
no fullback, no center back or corner back(s),
very weak midfield,
not many scoring forwards, maybe 2.

I dont see us anywhere near it for the next 3-5 years.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 12, 2008, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on December 11, 2008, 09:13:11 PM
Have a feeling that Mayo will be in the hunt in 2009 - have a fair sprinkling of good players and I feel O'Mahoney will give it a mighy effort both for his personal pride and political future. Assuming all players are available and a bit of luck they cold be in Croke Park in late Sept.


If thats whats motivating him he is as well to step away from the gig , can any one see the solid progress that has been made  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on December 12, 2008, 05:23:02 PM
QuoteWe still have
no fullback, no center back or corner back(s),
very weak midfield,
not many scoring forwards, maybe 2.


Would that be the general opinion of Mayo lads on this board?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 12, 2008, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on December 12, 2008, 05:23:02 PM
QuoteWe still have
no fullback, no center back or corner back(s),
very weak midfield,
not many scoring forwards, maybe 2.


Would that be the general opinion of Mayo lads on this board?
Twould be close enough to the consensus. No full-back - correct. No centre back - probably correct, Trevor Howley wasn't able to hold it down last year due to injury. One good corner back coming through in Kevin McLoughlin but this would be his first year with the seniors. Other corner-back a problem. Very weak midfield? I'd have to disagree. Parsons had a great debut year and while McGarrity wasn't at his best, there's more in him. Only scoring forwards are Conor Mort and Dillon. Maybe Andy Moran if he ups it a bit. As JOM starts his third year it is still very much a work in progress. We should be a lot further down the line than we are. I don't know have we progressed at all but I'll see what happens this year before deciding
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on December 12, 2008, 10:16:31 PM
Can I ask another question so, if most lads admit there isn't a full back, an outstanding, proven centre back and only 2 scoring forwards (neither of which are great as scoring forwards IMO) then why are so many of you highly critical of JOM? You talk of a lack of progression but how can you progress if you don't have the players?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
Quote from: Zulu on December 12, 2008, 10:16:31 PM
Can I ask another question so, if most lads admit there isn't a full back, an outstanding, proven centre back and only 2 scoring forwards (neither of which are great as scoring forwards IMO) then why are so many of you highly critical of JOM? You talk of a lack of progression but how can you progress if you don't have the players?
The problem is that Johnno appears to have lost the deftness of touch that he once had. Since taking over, he has continually chopped and changed his team about without giving anyone a chance to settle down and develop some degree of understanding with others around him.
The game against Galway in Salthill last year was a case in point: not a single line of the team had played as a unit before this game. It certainly showed on the day as Galway left us at sixes and sevens from the throw-in. Peter Ford, the Galway manager, outmanoeuvred O'Mahony without bother and the changes needed, that were obvious to all, bar O'Mahony, only took place when the cause was lost.
This year has been as bad as the previous one where the need to make decisive sideline changes is concerned.  The game against Galway followed the same pattern more or less, as the previous one and the herrin' chokers won another game by default. Our championship record over the last two years has seen us beat Cavan and Sligo and after that you would be struggling to find positives.
Maybe we lack a natural full back or a centre half, but we won't get either unless it comes about by pure chance. The business of fiddling with players' positions goes on steadily and with no obvious sign of success. Billy Joe, Jimmy Kilcullen and Vincent Conroy have all been given extended runs at full back and none of them proved to be a success. Others have been tried there also. 
Now; to my simple way of thinking, it would be far better to settle on an individual and make a full back out of him rather than fluting about hoping for divine inspiration. Every time you make a change at full back or any other crucial position, you have to consider the knock on effect on others around it.
As I write this, our beloved manager seems to have no clearer idea as to what his preferred started fifteen would be if he could field it. And that's after two years of team building and development. I accept that he lacks natural candidates for a number of positions but what is he going to do about this?
Wouldn't he be far better off if he were to take his closest prospect and shoe him into a given position, say, fullback and keep him there until someone better comes along? At least that would allow him to gain a clearer understanding of who would be needed in the corners to make a cohesive unit. Same goes for every central position right down the field.
At this stage, Billy Joe must have been tried in every position bar goal and still can't nail a permanent position down. Andy Moran and Trevor Mortimer are others who could lose their amateur status as Travellers if he keeps shifting them about. For me, it's not O'Mahony's fault that he doesn't have readymade solutions to the positional problems we know of; it's the way he has gone about minimising the shortcomings that concerns me.
I mean, is there a single manager in the land who honestly feels he has each position filled with natural players of the highest quality. Where most others seem to accept their shortcomings and try to work things out to best effect, Johnno keeps juggling his team, hoping things will eventually gel together.
I'd feel that after two years, he is no nearer getting his preferred set up than when he started out.
All of this is bad enough without mentioning the McDonald episode. While I fully accept his right as manager to pick whoever he chooses, the manner in which he handled matters here left a lot to be desired. He left himself open to ongoing hassle and controversy that a wiser man would have foreseen and avoided.
All in all, I don't see matters improving dramatically this year either. I sincerely hope for the best but am expecting a good deal less than that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 16, 2008, 09:52:06 AM
LAR NA PARKA,
you hit the nail smack bang on the head. JOM is definetly losing the touch, I reckon he has far too much other stuff in his head to be fully focussed and if you are not 100% focussed  the likes of mickey harte and co will clean you out very fast.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 16, 2008, 04:48:05 PM
Larnaparka usually always hits the nail smack bang on the head. I don't know how anyone thinks we will be in the hunt come September. We are in the habit of (since O'Mahony took over) losing tight games. And in 07 you could say getting trounced! Maybe O'Mahony has something up his sleeve but I for one can't see it. The tight games were both last year's defeats to Galway and Tyrone and the 07 league final to Donegal as well. We have to 'get tough when the tough get going' under O'Mahony and that would be another crucial thing that would need to be addressed imo. Maybe the back-room management could be seen to be doing something. Maybe too much pressure is on O'Mahony's shoulders. What are Tommy Lyons and Martin Carney and Kieran Gallagher actually doing? Are they taking the training sessions when O'Mahony is in Dáil Éireann. Maybe Johnno needs to spend more time on the training field instead of travelling to Dublin. I'm sure he knows that he needs to deliver the big prize or his seat will be under threat...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on December 17, 2008, 01:31:23 AM
QuoteFor me, it's not O'Mahony's fault that he doesn't have readymade solutions to the positional problems we know of; it's the way he has gone about minimising the shortcomings that concerns me.

very few manager have the luxury of ready made solution if they had anyone could do the job. exceptions being pat o shea in kerry and JOM himself in galway.
Mayos current problem is not a lack of talent but a coherent intelligent plan to get the most out of what we have. when a whole team is at 6's and 7's of course the centre back and full back are going to under pressure but that dont mean they are not up to the job . its a team game and a team can only funtion best when they are singing off the same hymnsheet . but JOM doesn't seem to have one .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 17, 2008, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
The problem is that Johnno appears to have lost the deftness of touch that he once had.

Im not sure if he ever had much of a touch. I reckon if Nell McCafferty managed Galway the years they won all-Irelands she would have won too.
How could you lose with the forwards Galway had and the relatively easy route. Had he ever the magic touch? Granted, his greatest achievement was winning a Connaught title with Leitrim. Since then he has not been this magician people make him out to be. IMO

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
The game against Galway in Salthill last year was a case in point: not a single line of the team had played as a unit before this game. It certainly showed on the day as Galway left us at sixes and sevens from the throw-in. Peter Ford, the Galway manager, outmanoeuvred O'Mahony without bother and the changes needed, that were obvious to all, bar O'Mahony, only took place when the cause was lost.
Regarding the game in Salthill; it was understood (by me anyway) that O Mahoney was giving the older players another chance to prove themselves after their fantastic display against Dublin and subsequent abismal display against Kerry in the final of 06. It would have been wrong in my book to do a cull and clear out the older players after all they had given, especially in his first year. And besides the mental damage of the final in 06 was fairly evident so that loss was not all JOMs fault.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
This year has been as bad as the previous one where the need to make decisive sideline changes is concerned. The game against Galway followed the same pattern more or less, as the previous one and the herrin' chokers won another game by default.
I wouldnt agree, JOM seemed to go for for youth over experience this year against Galway. And that backfired also.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
Maybe we lack a natural full back or a centre half, but we won't get either unless it comes about by pure chance.
There is a few potential young lads in the county that will make fantastic fullbacks if they stick at it.
Donal Vaughan from Ballinrobe. Kevin Keane from Westport and maybe Michael Nestor from Ballintubber all have the potential.

Isnt it ironic that in the past we never had to worry about backs but in recent years we have run short of them?

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
The business of fiddling with players' positions goes on steadily and with no obvious sign of success. Billy Joe, Jimmy Kilcullen and Vincent Conroy have all been given extended runs at full back and none of them proved to be a success. Others have been tried there also.

Now; to my simple way of thinking, it would be far better to settle on an individual and make a full back out of him rather than fluting about hoping for divine inspiration. Every time you make a change at full back or any other crucial position, you have to consider the knock on effect on others around it.
hmm I would be weary of simply settling on any fullback or trying to make someone into a full back.
A full back is the keystone to any defence and team. Reading the game, being able to talk to players around you and organise the defence, and being in the right place at the right time as well as know when to mark your man or when to hold the space are not things that can be thought. The simple fact remains that we dont have any natural fullbacks, of age and confidence and that wants to play for the county at the minute. In a county with almost 50 clubs there has to be a few guys out there that will make it, but for now patience is needed.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
As I write this, our beloved manager seems to have no clearer idea as to what his preferred started fifteen would be if he could field it. And that's after two years of team building and development. I accept that he lacks natural candidates for a number of positions but what is he going to do about this?
Do any of us have a clear idea of a starting 15? I dont  ;)

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
Wouldn't he be far better off if he were to take his closest prospect and shoe him into a given position, say, fullback and keep him there until someone better comes along? At least that would allow him to gain a clearer understanding of who would be needed in the corners to make a cohesive unit. Same goes for every central position right down the field.
Did he not try that with Conroy against Galway? He was tried a few times. It blew up in our faces.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
At this stage, Billy Joe must have been tried in every position bar goal and still can't nail a permanent position down. Andy Moran and Trevor Mortimer are others who could lose their amateur status as Travellers if he keeps shifting them about.
True, I had a conversation one time and concluded that Billy Joe is the only Mayo player that has played in every central position for Mayo.
Fullback, Center Back, Midfield, Center Forward, Full Forward. Jack of all trades or master of none?
Personally I think he is a good utility player that will do a job for you anywhere. It takes all sorts I guess.

Andy is a wing forward and looks frustrated when inside. Trevour is a wing man too, wing back or forward.
We just dont seem to have any real ball winners inside either at the minute for Mort to feed off.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
For me, it's not O'Mahony's fault that he doesn't have readymade solutions to the positional problems we know of; it's the way he has gone about minimising the shortcomings that concerns me.
I mean, is there a single manager in the land who honestly feels he has each position filled with natural players of the highest quality. Where most others seem to accept their shortcomings and try to work things out to best effect, Johnno keeps juggling his team, hoping things will eventually gel together.
I'd feel that after two years, he is no nearer getting his preferred set up than when he started out.
I hear your lament Lar but he has tried things.
Sticking with the older guys didnt work last year.
Trying the younger guys definitely didnt work this year.

It all leads back to not having enough quality players and enough players in natural positions;
at the moment at least, but in a few years we will be making serious challenges again.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 17, 2008, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 17, 2008, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
As I write this, our beloved manager seems to have no clearer idea as to what his preferred started fifteen would be if he could field it. And that's after two years of team building and development. I accept that he lacks natural candidates for a number of positions but what is he going to do about this?
Do any of us have a clear idea of a starting 15? I dont  ;)


Okay, lets see how diverse opinion is here. We'll each pick a starting team we'd like to see for the first game of the league and see how similiar or otherwise our selections are. Leaving aside the team you think will play in championship (impossible to say how new players might play when they step up etc) but lets just see who we think should be given a go and in what positions.

Here's my tuppence worth

David Clarke

Kevin McLoughlin  Ger Cafferkey  Donal Vaughan

David Heaney  Trevor Howley  Peadar Gardiner

Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons

Billy Joe Padden  Trevor Mortimer  Andy Moran

Conor Mortimer  Aidan O'Shea  Alan Dillon

I'll explain my thinking line by line. Clarke has been excellent over the past couple of years. Robert Hennelly is the only one close to him yet but he's probably still too young.

The full-back line is a bit inexperienced so someone like Aidan Higgins might be used as a transitional player. But I'd like to see all three given their head. Kevin McLoughlin is the best prospect imo. Donal Vaughan needs to bulk up a bit but also a serious prospect. Maybe more suited to the half-back line but we've options aplenty there, he has experience in the full-back line so see how he stands up. JOM musn't rate Ger Cafferkey if he didn't put him on the panel this year but I reckon he deserves a good run at full-back after a very good U-21 season last year. Naturally Kevin Keane is another man worth a go here.

Trevor Howley did well at chb in the league last year before injury intervened. I think he's still ahead of Heaney, Tom Cunniffe and anyone else at this moment in time and deserves another shot at it. Gardiner came back with some great form last year, particularly against Dooher when he was asked to do a job that curtailed his attacking runs and he proved he's well capable of defending. Heaney is still good enough to hold down a place imo (saw no matches live in 08) but I think it has to be wing-back or nothing. Chris Barrett is also another great option here if he recovers sufficiently from injury. Naturally Keith Higgins isn't around yet but it'd be great for him to come back from Australia with issues regarding the full-back line sorted and the luxury to play him at half-back or even wing-forward??

McGarrity needs to up it from last year or else it will be him, and not the younger Parsons, who will become the expendeable midfielder. Players like Pat Harte, Seamus O'Shea and even perhaps Brian Gallagher or Jason Gibbons if they show good form at U-21 could be waiting in the wings.

The half-forward line becomes the line I'm least sure about but I still reckon there's a place for all three on the team. Trevor Mortimer certainly is a guy Mayo need to have. His abrasive play is something we lack as a county. I think his direct style can cause problems for a lot of centre-half backs. Andy Moran didn't do the business inside last year but I reckon the winter break might do him the world of good and he can be an effective ball carrier and scoring wing-forward IF he learns when to give the ball and when to hold it. Billy Joe, I've said before, is one of our most undervalued players and I think wing-forward is the best place for him, dropping deep, picking up loose balls and playing intelligent balls inside. Pat Harte could easily take Andy Moran's place. He is definitely the more talented of the two, I just think you'll always get a certain level of performance from Andy, Harte can very hot and very cold. If Harte did come in it would be another good option for long, direct ball. Overall I think that's a fairly strong and robust ball winning half-forward line and while Dillon would also bring a bit of class there, I feel we need him inside.

Which brings me onto the full-forward line. Mortimer annoys me a lot of the time and I certainly reckon we can get more from him. But he is the best we have and he has struggled because of the lack of a big man to feed off and the lack of another quality scoring forward. That's why I'm going with O'Shea and Dillon. Granted its one thing being a big minor and another being a big senior but I reckon O'Shea is worth the punt. An excellent ball winner, savagely strong and a good footballing brain, he could be the ideal senior inter-county full-forward. And I'm convinced we need a big, target man full-forward. Corner-forward isn't Dillon's best position but no more than the arguments about our full-back line, we have too many lads who will do a job in the half-forward line and not enough white collar inside men. I think Dillon can do a more than adequate job inside here. He's very good in tight situations, has two good feet and hands and is not as slow as some people think. Also he could drop deep if the need arose.

Anyway that's just my thoughts on a boring December day with no football on the horizon. I've never been more reserved about a Mayo season but I'm still looking forward to it immensely! Go figure!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 17, 2008, 10:09:17 PM
thats some bit of analysis there, correct about c mort too, he cannot be the target man expected to carry the scoring by himself. I also reckon macdonald is still a great man to have to place close to goal and stay there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 18, 2008, 01:31:51 AM
Good post, Abbeysider; I certainly don't disagree with anything you have stated; any difference between us seems to be a matter of perspective rather than of substance.
One place where we both sing from the hymn sheet is here:
QuoteDo any of us have a clear idea of a starting 15? I dont
I suggest John O'Mahony doesn't either.
After he took over the reins, Mayo made it through to the league final. They lost that game but weren't disgraced by an in-form Donegal side. Donegal, if any of you care to remember, were getting rave reviews at the time; they were being widely tipped as a good bet for September. Injury problems left O'Mahony short of his preferred first fifteen but the side acquitted itself well. No sign of battle trauma or lack of appetite for the game were evident.
Our first game, against Galway in Salthill, loomed up ahead.  Optimism was high; Mayo were strongly tipped; nobody, but nobody mentioned any sign of mental tiredness amongst the older players.
When the game began, Peter Ford moved his wing forwards up into the corners and the Mayo half backs got in their own way. The Mayo defensive formation crumbled – there is no other way to describe it. By the time O'Mahony reacted, the game was out of sight.
In the second half, the Mayo veterans tore into the opposition but were unable to overcome the scores Galway racked up in the flying start they enjoyed. Can any Mayo fan who reads this, tell me of one "vet" who showed the white feather as they sought to overcome the deficit?
I contend that the excuse that the players hadn't the bottle to compete doesn't measure up to the facts. Maybe the General Election looming up might have taken O'Mahony's eye off the ball but the players gave their best – pity the same can't be side about the tulips on the sideline.
The Galway game this season followed the same broad pattern, in my humble opinion. Galway got off to a flying start and thereafter Mayo had to struggle uphill all the way. To O'Mahony's credit, he did organise the defense more efficiently this time around but the forwards were crap; devoid of a plan A never mind a plan B.
Okay; the result was closer than it was in Salthill but Mayo were playing catch up all the way and Liam Sammon proved the master when it came to tactics on the sideline.
Mickey Harte also proved instrumental in Tyrone's victory in a desperately poor game when he proved far sharper in reacting to events on the field.
BTW; if anyone cares to look back at the side that took the field in Castlebar this year, it might be surprising to see how many of the older players lined out. This was not a case of giving youth a fling, IMO. Rightly or wrongly, O'Mahony stuck with the vets of former years.
My abiding memory of the game against Tyrone is the sight of Conor Mortimer being left isolated throughout the entire game with Mayo's only game plan to hoof high balls in on top of him. Asking him to compete against a taller, heavier player with an incompetent referee was asking for trouble. 
Did O'Mahony take any action to counter this in any way from start to finish?
Really, there were many other cases where I thought the manager could have reacted more decisively when matters were going against us but leaving Mortimer isolated and unprotected from start to finish sums up our championship campaigns over the last two years.
We were like sheep in a heap with the shepherd at the bottom of the pile.



















Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 02:20:27 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 18, 2008, 01:31:51 AM
We were like sheep in a heap with the shepherd at the bottom of the pile.


Great phrase Lar! Never heard that one before. I agree with what you said about pre-Galway 07. Confidence was high after the league final and any fatigue from 2006 didn't seem to be evident. I wasn't at the Galway game (couldn't bleedin get off work!) but have seen several re-runs and JOM's policy to go man on man in defence backfired spectacularly when Gardiner was brought into corner-back. The game was over before we knew it, Galway smelt blood and they went for the kill (would any Mayo team be capable of that - me thinks not). While I agree that the vets may not have given up, I think there was a certain resigned nature about all the Mayo players in the second half and particularly in the last fifteen minutes. There's no doubt that the election's proximity to that game did JOM no favours and perhaps it did contribute to him getting out witted by Ford. Or perhaps this would happen anyway? Or maybe it was just bad luck? Hard to say for certain but I'd sway towards the first one.

This year I was esconed in Oz for the game but watched it closely and the repeat several times the following day. I'd be more critical of JOM in the run up to this game. In 2007 we were going well, it was hard to foresee the Galway result. However this season a lot of people on this board expressed serious reservations about Kieran Conroy at full-back and Colm Boyle in the corner. This was a widespread opinion in the county and, unfortunately, it was proven correct. Again Galway smelt blood and went for the kill.

Tyrone was a game we could have won too. I wouldn't be inclined to aportion too much blame to the sideline here. You'd be mad to think JOM told the players to kick high balls in on top of Conor Mortimer. The players have to take some of the rap for that. And the players lost their sense of direction in the final ten minutes against a cuter Tyrone team. Perhaps JOM could have put in a target man but thats only part of it.

I think there is a consensus that JOM is not the tactical genius a lot of people thought he was. But I still think he  is capable of making progress this year. I'd hold judgement on him til the end of the season if I can and then assess things with regard to should he stay or go (I know that's not whats being suggested). I'd still believe that he's capable of redeeming himself. As I said before his legacy is on the line here. For me that would be much more important than relying on the football to win him votes (it didn't seem to matter anyway in 2007, with him getting elected after being hammered by Galway).

We'll see, we'll see
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 18, 2008, 09:35:04 AM
FATIGUE?
what about kerry every year, no sign of fatigue and them in league and championship final more than the next few teams combined.
pete sampras, manchester utd,boston redsox,kerry,sonia o sullivan and lance armstrong spring to mind as people who don't do excuses of being tired to stop them winning, why sjhould Mayo.
Maybe we just need excuses to continue the losing streak.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: mannix on December 18, 2008, 09:35:04 AM
FATIGUE?
what about kerry every year, no sign of fatigue and them in league and championship final more than the next few teams combined.
pete sampras, manchester utd,boston redsox,kerry,sonia o sullivan and lance armstrong spring to mind as people who don't do excuses of being tired to stop them winning, why sjhould Mayo.
Maybe we just need excuses to continue the losing streak.

My point is that there wasn't signs of fatigue because fatigue wasn't necessarily the reason. It was a handy enough excuse afterwards. I think it was more a case that the Galway game just reawakened doubts in the players heads from 2006. The teams/individuals you mention there are winners. Success breeds success, unfortunately for us failure seems to breed failure too. Failure is what hangs over every Mayo team that will get to an All-Ireland final. Its a hard mindset to change . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 18, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
red  and green,
i was not questioning your post, i too heard it said by players that they were fatigued even though they had months of no hard training,i was pointing out that its an excuse.
And the doubts in the minds theory can be shot down too, two words :munster rugby
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: mannix on December 18, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
red  and green,
i was not questioning your post, i too heard it said by players that they were fatigued even though they had months of no hard training,i was pointing out that its an excuse.
And the doubts in the minds theory can be shot down too, two words :munster rugby

Yeah I know that these doubts can be overcome. It does take a change in mindset though and Mayo have more catching up than anyone to do in terms of changing mindsets. That's why the minors winning this year would have been great. Mix those lads with a few of the U-21 winners in 2006 and you'd have lads who have a rare confidence - a Mayoman with an All-Ireland winners medal in his pocket
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 18, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: mannix on December 18, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
red  and green,
i was not questioning your post, i too heard it said by players that they were fatigued even though they had months of no hard training,i was pointing out that its an excuse.
And the doubts in the minds theory can be shot down too, two words :munster rugby

Yeah I know that these doubts can be overcome. It does take a change in mindset though and Mayo have more catching up than anyone to do in terms of changing mindsets. That's why the minors winning this year would have been great. Mix those lads with a few of the U-21 winners in 2006 and you'd have lad
s who have a rare confidence - a Mayoman with an All-Ireland winners medal in his pocket

we have a few of them in north mayo ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 18, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: mannix on December 18, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
red  and green,
i was not questioning your post, i too heard it said by players that they were fatigued even though they had months of no hard training,i was pointing out that its an excuse.
And the doubts in the minds theory can be shot down too, two words :munster rugby

Yeah I know that these doubts can be overcome. It does take a change in mindset though and Mayo have more catching up than anyone to do in terms of changing mindsets. That's why the minors winning this year would have been great. Mix those lads with a few of the U-21 winners in 2006 and you'd have lad
s who have a rare confidence - a Mayoman with an All-Ireland winners medal in his pocket

we have a few of them in north mayo ;)

Four minutes? I thought that comment would go at least ten minutes without being challenged but ye north Mayo lads don't half like to boast  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 18, 2008, 02:01:44 PM
 :D :D :D was going to reply even quicker r & g but i held meself back ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 18, 2008, 02:14:18 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2008, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: mannix on December 18, 2008, 09:35:04 AM
FATIGUE?
what about kerry every year, no sign of fatigue and them in league and championship final more than the next few teams combined.
pete sampras, manchester utd,boston redsox,kerry,sonia o sullivan and lance armstrong spring to mind as people who don't do excuses of being tired to stop them winning, why sjhould Mayo.
Maybe we just need excuses to continue the losing streak.

My point is that there wasn't signs of fatigue because fatigue wasn't necessarily the reason. It was a handy enough excuse afterwards. I think it was more a case that the Galway game just reawakened doubts in the players heads from 2006. The teams/individuals you mention there are winners. Success breeds success, unfortunately for us failure seems to breed failure too. Failure is what hangs over every Mayo team that will get to an All-Ireland final. Its a hard mindset to change . . .

Quote from: mannix on December 18, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
red  and green,
i was not questioning your post, i too heard it said by players that they were fatigued even though they had months of no hard training,i was pointing out that its an excuse.
And the doubts in the minds theory can be shot down too, two words :munster rugby

Another thing that springs to mind is player burnout.
I felt that the Mayo players in recent years have been showing the signs. Im not putting burnout down to exhaustion from over training or playing....
Which is a very common misconception!!

"Burnout is a state or condition where one experiences fatigue, exhaustion, or frustration as a result of an intense focus on or attention to a goal, a cause, a lifestyle or a relationship that fails to produce the expected reward. "

" In other words, there is a burnout formula: expectations divided by a reality that does not meet your expectations, regardless of the effort you expend, equals burnout."

"There is no direct correlation or relationship between hard work and burnout. "
So it not from over training....

"There is, however, a direct correlation or relationship between hard work that produces little or no reward, and burnout. "

EG Mayo not winning an All Ireland in recent years despite multiple attempts has lead to burnout

"Yet many folks can and do work to exhaustion. But because they receive recognition, acknowledgement and reward, burnout is not a part of their equation."

EG Kerry and Munster Rugby. (as mannix eluded to)

Judging by the above formula its easy to see how mental and physical exhaustion is evedent on the Mayo team from burnout alone.
The likes of the older Mayo players Heaney, Nallen etc and even the younger players like Alan Dillon, Conor Mortimor have huge miles on the clock and have been pushing a very long time with no reward.

Its easy to see how they would have a negative or bleak attitude and when burnout sets in (which it has IMO) it makes life twice as hard.
They look exhausted at times when they should have been fresh.
Hence the recent performances against Galway. Im putting it down to burnout.

(URL: http://www.management-issues.com/2007/11/15/opinion/are-you-suffering-from-burnout.asp)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 19, 2008, 12:01:20 PM
Quote
McGarrity welcomes new year
18 December 2008

Mayo captain Ronan McGarrity sees 2009 as an ideal opportunity to get the disappointment of '08 out of his system.

The straight-talking Ballina man admitted that his own displays were below par this year and welcomed the dawning of a new season:

"I'm looking forward to seeing what this Mayo team can do next year. We've been building for three years now, we've got players in, and I think we're starting to run out of excuses about what's going wrong.

"I was bitterly disappointed with the way I performed for Mayo this year. What I need now is a swift kick up the backside, pull my head out of the clouds and start playing football the way I can play."


I am one of his biggest critics sometimes but at least he knows he is not performing.
Its refreshing to see comments like that instead of the egotistical stuff spouted by other players!

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2008, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 18, 2008, 02:14:18 PM

Another thing that springs to mind is player burnout.
I felt that the Mayo players in recent years have been showing the signs. Im not putting burnout down to exhaustion from over training or playing....
Which is a very common misconception!!

"Burnout is a state or condition where one experiences fatigue, exhaustion, or frustration as a result of an intense focus on or attention to a goal, a cause, a lifestyle or a relationship that fails to produce the expected reward. "

" In other words, there is a burnout formula: expectations divided by a reality that does not meet your expectations, regardless of the effort you expend, equals burnout."

"There is no direct correlation or relationship between hard work and burnout. "
So it not from over training....

"There is, however, a direct correlation or relationship between hard work that produces little or no reward, and burnout. "

EG Mayo not winning an All Ireland in recent years despite multiple attempts has lead to burnout

"Yet many folks can and do work to exhaustion. But because they receive recognition, acknowledgement and reward, burnout is not a part of their equation."

EG Kerry and Munster Rugby. (as mannix eluded to)

Judging by the above formula its easy to see how mental and physical exhaustion is evedent on the Mayo team from burnout alone.
The likes of the older Mayo players Heaney, Nallen etc and even the younger players like Alan Dillon, Conor Mortimor have huge miles on the clock and have been pushing a very long time with no reward.

Its easy to see how they would have a negative or bleak attitude and when burnout sets in (which it has IMO) it makes life twice as hard.
They look exhausted at times when they should have been fresh.
Hence the recent performances against Galway. Im putting it down to burnout.

(URL: http://www.management-issues.com/2007/11/15/opinion/are-you-suffering-from-burnout.asp)


Never heard the mental effects of losing being described as burnout before but it makes sense I guess. There are only so many times you can go to the well. How Alan Dillon for instance keeps going is beyond me sometimes. Lost a U-16 All-Ireland with Davitt College in 1996 (as a first year). Lost an All-Ireland senior semi-final the following year and two All-Ireland senior finals with  the same school in 1998 and 2000 (both of which, agonisingly, went to replays). Then there was losing two minor All-Irelands in a row in 99 and 2000, an U-21 All-Ireland in 2001, and then the senior All-Irelands in 04 and 06. The only break for those heartbreaks was when Mayo won the Inter-County Vocational Schools All-Ireland in 99 (I think) which, was probably the one he wanted the least. Thats ten All-Ireland finals he has played in and only one winners medal to show for it. And the poor lad is still only 26. I'd say he could be top of that list for player-burnout from an accumulation of defeats. Add in the fact that getting to so many All-Ireland finals meant an awful lot of football - Minor two years, U-21 for four years, senior player since 2003. Behind the old warriors like Nallen and Heaney, Dillon is the next in line for a Mayo man that deserves an All-Ireland. But the race for Sam is not a charity event . . .

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 19, 2008, 04:25:24 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2008, 03:11:45 PM
Never heard the mental effects of losing being described as burnout before but it makes sense I guess. There are only so many times you can go to the well. How Alan Dillon for instance keeps going is beyond me sometimes. Lost a U-16 All-Ireland with Davitt College in 1996 (as a first year). Lost an All-Ireland senior semi-final the following year and two All-Ireland senior finals with  the same school in 1998 and 2000 (both of which, agonisingly, went to replays). Then there was losing two minor All-Irelands in a row in 99 and 2000, an U-21 All-Ireland in 2001, and then the senior All-Irelands in 04 and 06. The only break for those heartbreaks was when Mayo won the Inter-County Vocational Schools All-Ireland in 99 (I think) which, was probably the one he wanted the least. Thats ten All-Ireland finals he has played in and only one winners medal to show for it. And the poor lad is still only 26. I'd say he could be top of that list for player-burnout from an accumulation of defeats. Add in the fact that getting to so many All-Ireland finals meant an awful lot of football - Minor two years, U-21 for four years, senior player since 2003. Behind the old warriors like Nallen and Heaney, Dillon is the next in line for a Mayo man that deserves an All-Ireland. But the race for Sam is not a charity event . . .

Some amazing statistics there R&GS.
Dillon has an incredible amount done for his age. He is pushing a very long time.

I heard once that Kennith Mortimor lost about 14 finals (All Irelands I think) at different stages.
I wouldnt have the exact knowledge to name them all out but he is definitely someone who finished too early and was said to be burnt out in the end. 

I think there is a similar statistic in Keith Duggans book regarding Liam McHale and the amount of All Ireland's he lost at club and county level (Ill go research that one). He was trying for 13 years at least.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 04:52:43 PM
Yeah when you think of it the boys have gone through some amount of pain with the losses

Jimmy Mc & Ciaran MC have lost 2 under 21 Ai Finals to kerry and cork
                          Mc Has lost 3 Ai senior Finals All To Kerry Jimmy an Extra one to Meath in 1996
Jimmy and Mc have lost            1 Ai club Final to Nemo 

So Mc hAS lost 6 Ai Finals and Jimmy 7                                       
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
Its some tale of woe surely.

Liam McHale says in Keith Duggan's book that you imagine if you played in six finals you'd win one of them. He played in senior finals in 89, 96 (twice) and 97 and a club final in 1999, won none of them. Not sure about the sixth one. He didn't play U-21 in 83 when Mayo won but I've a feeling he played the following year when Mayo lost the final as far as I know but my memory is hazy as I was only 2 at the time  ;)

Another soldier for Mayo who didn't get the ultimate reward though, poor oul Liam.

Heard before about Kenny Mort losing a shit load of finals but not sure of which ones they were. Jarlath's perhaps but not sure of years, Mayo minors in 91, U-21s in 94 and 05 and seniors in 96 and 97. He was the only Mayo player to get All Stars in both those years which shows what a great corner-back he was at that time. But by the time Mayo returned to Croke Park in 99, he was centre-half forward. That always confused me. Was it a stupid call by Maughan or did he just know that Kenny's time was running out and he'd get exposed in the corner?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
Its some tale of woe surely.

Liam McHale says in Keith Duggan's book that you imagine if you played in six finals you'd win one of them. He played in senior finals in 89, 96 (twice) and 97 and a club final in 1999, won none of them. Not sure about the sixth one. He didn't play U-21 in 83 when Mayo won but I've a feeling he played the following year when Mayo lost the final as far as I know but my memory is hazy as I was only 2 at the time  ;)

Another soldier for Mayo who didn't get the ultimate reward though, poor oul Liam.

Heard before about Kenny Mort losing a shit load of finals but not sure of which ones they were. Jarlath's perhaps but not sure of years, Mayo minors in 91, U-21s in 94 and 05 and seniors in 96 and 97. He was the only Mayo player to get All Stars in both those years which shows what a great corner-back he was at that time. But by the time Mayo returned to Croke Park in 99, he was centre-half forward. That always confused me. Was it a stupid call by Maughan or did he just know that Kenny's time was running out and he'd get exposed in the corner?



Felt really sorry that Liam Mc wasn't there to get his Ai club medals of any player that deserved one he certainly did
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2008, 05:18:38 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
Its some tale of woe surely.

Liam McHale says in Keith Duggan's book that you imagine if you played in six finals you'd win one of them. He played in senior finals in 89, 96 (twice) and 97 and a club final in 1999, won none of them. Not sure about the sixth one. He didn't play U-21 in 83 when Mayo won but I've a feeling he played the following year when Mayo lost the final as far as I know but my memory is hazy as I was only 2 at the time  ;)

Another soldier for Mayo who didn't get the ultimate reward though, poor oul Liam.

Heard before about Kenny Mort losing a shit load of finals but not sure of which ones they were. Jarlath's perhaps but not sure of years, Mayo minors in 91, U-21s in 94 and 05 and seniors in 96 and 97. He was the only Mayo player to get All Stars in both those years which shows what a great corner-back he was at that time. But by the time Mayo returned to Croke Park in 99, he was centre-half forward. That always confused me. Was it a stupid call by Maughan or did he just know that Kenny's time was running out and he'd get exposed in the corner?



Felt really sorry that Liam Mc wasn't there to get his Ai club medals of any player that deserved one he certainly did

Absolutely, twas a pity he was gone. For all the suffering McD and Jimmy Nallen undoubtedly have had, 2001 is still there for them to look back on with pride. The All-Ireland club was a big breakthrough for Brady too. Pretty sure he lost U-21's in 94 and 95 along with seniors in 96 and 97 and 04 before winning the club in 05 and then losing one more in 06. His reaction when he won the club was hillarious, he was just running round like a mad man, screaming at the camera and at anyone he came into contact with. Twas the highlight of Ballina's success
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 19, 2008, 05:29:51 PM
ayr db was gas allright seem to recall him saying i have been a loser all my life but i 'm a wiiner now or something along those lines
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 20, 2008, 11:17:37 AM
all this losing finals is infectious. were we to win a senior it would surely lead to a change in fortunes for us, football is not the problem, its our minds, we are too nice on the field.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 23, 2008, 03:26:53 AM
Its all set to begin again. Few interesting bits of news here not least Ger Cafferkey

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5609&Itemid=39

Mayo count down the days


John O'Mahony calls football squad to arms

Mike Finnerty

THE Mayo senior football squad will train collectively for the first time in five months after Christmas but their initial plans have been disrupted with the news that Trevor Howley is set to miss the early stages of the new season.
The Knockmore defender underwent surgery on his ankle earlier this month and is expected to miss the early rounds of the National League as a result.
Other players who are definitely unavailable for the FBD Connacht League next month are Ronan McGarrity (on honeymoon) and Seamus O'Shea (recuperating from groin surgery), while Keith Higgins is in Australia until next May. Work commitments abroad will also mean that Pat Harte will be unavailable for a number of NFL matches.
Mayo begin their FBD League campaign away to NUI, Galway on Sunday, January 4 but John O'Mahony told The Mayo News that he only expects to sit down and finalise his squad for that game the day before.
"We have had a selected group working on a weight training programme for the last couple of months and we'll be meeting up with them immediately after Christmas. But, to be honest, we don't have a panel for the FBD League yet," explained the Mayo manager.
"The reality is that the college teams have first pick on three players from each county so we just have to wait and see who's available to us from the colleges when we meet up on the weekend of the first game."
Two players who certainly won't be lining out against the students are David Heaney and James Nallen.
The Mayo manager admitted that he "hadn't touched base yet" with either player about joining up with the squad for 2009 but said that both were still very much in his plans.
"January, and the FBD League, will be very experimental for us. To a certain extent, it'll be a different panel to the National League. Ronan McGarrity is going to be away on his honeymoon and we're anxious to look at some new faces in the FBD."
Among those players who should feature against NUI, Galway, Roscommon and Sligo IT are Mayo U-21s Kevin McLoughlin and Donal Vaughan, Ballaghaderreen trio Stephen Drake, Barry Kelly and Barry Regan, and Claremorris midfielder Brian Gallagher.
John O'Mahony also confirmed that highly-rated full-back Ger Cafferkey was " fully fit and very much in our plans for the season".
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on December 23, 2008, 10:17:29 AM
good to see some words from jom.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 23, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: mannix on December 23, 2008, 10:17:29 AM
good to see some words from jom.

Its refreshing to see some strong talk from JOM....

Instead of the "Unfortunately predicting Gaelic football isnt an exact science..." kind of looser talk, negative malarkey he sometimes went on with.

Delighted to see Barry Regan in there. Hope he makes it.
Donal Vaughan will be another future star....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 23, 2008, 03:04:10 PM
Finishing work today so im outa here guys, Happy Christmas !  ;D

Mayo for Sam 2009 !  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 23, 2008, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 23, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: mannix on December 23, 2008, 10:17:29 AM
good to see some words from jom.

Its refreshing to see some strong talk from JOM....

Instead of the "Unfortunately predicting Gaelic football isnt an exact science..." kind of looser talk, negative malarkey he sometimes went on with.

Delighted to see Barry Regan in there. Hope he makes it.
Donal Vaughan will be another future star....

Yeah Barry Regan has definitely earned his chance. Whether he makes it or not remains to be seen but he definitely deserves a bit of a run to be able to prove himself. Barry Kelly could offer lots as could Drake. I've already mentioned Ger Cafferkey, Donal Vaughan and Kevin McLoughlin but all in it looks like there be a few more sweeping changes than previously. JOM's talk is somewhat more uplifting than normal but still not running away with himself either.
Looking forward to the NUIG game, will be the first Mayo game I'll be at since losing to Derry in 07
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 23, 2008, 10:53:53 PM
I see the Western are reporting that Maughan is to take over the job at Crossmolina again
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 24, 2008, 04:42:35 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 23, 2008, 10:53:53 PM
I see the Western are reporting that Maughan is to take over the job at Crossmolina again

hmmm good appointmnet for them if its true, mite get five more years out of them, eh deel rover  ;) thats d all-ireland in the bag. feck it >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 24, 2008, 08:56:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 24, 2008, 04:42:35 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 23, 2008, 10:53:53 PM
I see the Western are reporting that Maughan is to take over the job at Crossmolina again

hmmm good appointmnet for them if its true, mite get five more years out of them, eh deel rover  ;) thats d all-ireland in the bag. feck it >:(


tis true allright yeah the players are delighted that he took the job . They know there not that far off it and if we could get one more year out of Jimmy and Mc and Joe Jeane then who knows  ;) especially with James Cafferkey , Benny , Mark Leonard , Henry Mc Loughlin there's a good sprinkle of youth there as well . i'm away now to finish the christmas shopping so happy christmas to all of ye and i hope ye have a good one and a happy new year
Title: Connacht FBD League (2009)
Post by: dodo on December 31, 2008, 01:12:48 PM
No messing about here.......all over in 3 weeks aside from the jolly to New York.

Quote2009 Connacht FBD League
  Semifinals  Final
                 
  Home Finalist ---- 
  Home Finalist ----     
      Finalist ----
    New York ----
   
   
Date Stage  Team 1 Score  Team 2 Score Details
19.10.2009 Conn. FBD League F  Finalist ----  New York ---- Details
25.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SF  Home Finalist ----  Home Finalist ---- Details
18.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  NUIG ----  IT Sligo ---- Details
18.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  Mayo ----  Roscommon ---- Details
18.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SB  Sligo ----  Leitrim ---- Details
18.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SB  GMIT ----  Galway ---- Details
11.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  Roscommon ----  NUIG ---- Details
11.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  IT Sligo ----  Mayo ---- Details
11.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SB  Galway ----  Leitrim ---- Details
11.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SB  GMIT ----  Sligo ---- Details
04.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  Roscommon ----  IT Sligo ---- Details
04.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  NUIG ----  Mayo ---- Details
04.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SB  GMIT ----  Leitrim ---- Details
04.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SB  Sligo ----  Galway ---- Details
Title: Inter County Rankings
Post by: dodo on December 31, 2008, 01:21:14 PM
Rankings according to this site


http://www.gaainfo.com/rankings/index.php


QuoteRank  County Points
1   Kerry 1807.72
2   Tyrone 1731.69
3   Cork 1661.15
4   Dublin 1645.67
5   Galway 1643.33
6   Derry 1629.56
7   Donegal 1574.10
8   Mayo 1559.32
9   Wexford 1558.56
10   Monaghan 1539.37
11   Armagh 1524.39
12   Westmeath 1515.25
13   Laois 1438.60
14   Kildare 1429.72
15   Meath 1429.52
16   Fermanagh 1427.27
17   Down 1424.39
18   Louth 1340.13
19   Limerick 1310.78
20   Offaly 1274.90
21   Cavan 1266.18
22   Longford 1256.22
23   Roscommon 1228.38
24   Leitrim 1182.91
25   Sligo 1147.02
26   Antrim 1133.86
27   Wicklow 1125.41
28   Tipperary 1049.62
29   Clare 1042.72
30   Carlow 936.99
31   Waterford 888.63
32   London 665.65
33   New York 612.17
34   Kilkenny 460.83

Title: Re: Connacht FBD League (2009)
Post by: AbbeySider on December 31, 2008, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: dodo on December 31, 2008, 01:12:48 PM
04.01.2009 Conn. FBD League SA  NUIG ----  Mayo ---- Details

This will be in Dangan, Galway City, I presume?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: dodo on December 31, 2008, 05:22:11 PM
Fixtures in paper today with no venues down for them.  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 01, 2009, 11:53:19 PM
Dangan at 2pm
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: kevmy on January 04, 2009, 10:16:10 PM
Not sure what team played today and i don't think it really matters very few extra will come through until we see whats happening in the league.

By all accounts there was a last push for alot of the senior players last year so I think we may see more youth this year from Johnno. Expect Ger Cafferkey and Tom Cunniffe to get good runs along with Howley at centre back. I could see Ronan, Dillon and the 2 Morts to be the oldest certain starters this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 04, 2009, 10:24:54 PM
I was at the game in Dangan today, disappointing display from Mayo. Of the new lads only Kevin Keane and Stepthen Drake impressed. The team was as follows:

1. David Clarke...Good kick out, did well under the high ball except for one that should have resulted in a goal. Could not be faulted for either of the goals.
2. Colm Cafferkey...Good going forward but very exposed when run at. Surprised he lasted the game. Out of his dept I'm afraid!
3. Kevin Keane...Very composed and good distribution, looks like a real prospect.
4. Stephen Drake...Solid game without being spectacular.
5. Peadar Gardiner...Usual self, full of running. Got yellow carded in the second half.
6. Pat Kelly...Centre back not his position, did very little and his man got on the ball a lot.
7. Colm Boyle...Did well.
8. Pat Harte...Average display, good on the ball going forward. Mayo lost the midfield battle.
9. Barry Kelly...Poor display and surprised he lasted the full game. Totally dominated by Galway Gareth Bradshaw who was the outstanding player on the pitch.
10. Aidan Kilcoyne...Hit a few good frees but did nothing besides.
11. Alan Dillon...Quite first half, got on the ball a bit in the second. Looks like a tired player which is worrying for Mayo and you wonder why he is played in these type of games.
12. Bill Joe Padden...Got on the ball a lot and worked hard. Replaced in the second half.
13. Mikey Sweeney...Got the goal did nothing besides. Out of his dept I'm afraid!
14. Aidan O'Shea...Very quite. I've said before I'll be amazed if he make it at senior inter county.
15. Austin O'Mallery...average, he really must learn to layoff the ball but I doubt he will at this stage of his career.

Subs.
Jason Gibbons for Billy Joe...Got 15 minutes but don't think he touched the ball. I know he's only 19 but really needs to bulk up.
David Cafferty (Charlestown) for Gardiner...Also got yellow carded. Very poor and doesn't have the build for inter county.
Sean Prendergast (Claremorris) for David Cafferty...Not on long enough to judge.

NUIG had three Mayo players, Padraic Healy at corner back who was very solid and did well Austin O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey who did well on Aidan O'Shea, Kieran Conroy at midfield who did well and worked hard. They also had Michael Nestor and Ruariri O'Connor (both Ballintubber) in the subs but neither got a run.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 05, 2009, 12:39:45 AM
Was looking forward to going today but couldn't get away. I guess the result is secondary in importance to the performance of new lads. Interesting to see JOM plumb for Kevin Keane and Aidan O'Shea, both of whom are still in secondary school. I'd say in fairness it is next to impossible to judge from this game, given there would have been no collective training sessions for two months and while lads might have been doing their own thing, the freedom around the Xmas prob means they let their hair down.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 05, 2009, 02:58:50 AM
jaysus stonewall thats a bit rough of the 7  new boys you have written off 6 of them after 1 FBD game I hope JOM has more patience
we need to remeber  new players dont  come to county level fully formed   they need to given a time to show their true worth and idle Criticism effect them far more than established team members like AOM who every one with eyes now realizes will never be county standard
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 05, 2009, 09:17:30 AM
aom may not be county standard but he kicked 5 points from all angles against kerry  in croke park in 2005.he must have something going for him.the new lads will need time, please do not destroy them with negative talk after 1 january game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 05, 2009, 09:33:20 AM
Well said boys. People are talking about two lads who'll be sitting at their desks on Wednesday looking at Wuthering Heights. Cut them a break and keep some little bit of perspective.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 05, 2009, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 04, 2009, 10:24:54 PM
8. Pat Harte...Average display, good on the ball going forward. Mayo lost the midfield battle.
9. Barry Kelly...Poor display and surprised he lasted the full game. Totally dominated by Galway Gareth Bradshaw who was the outstanding player on the pitch.

Gareth Bradshaw is a class act. He destroyed us on his own in '07 Connaught Intermediate Club championship. He is a powerhouse and is still very young.
He will break more Mayo hearts in the future id say. He did Ok in the backs last year for Galway but I would say he may be mid-field this year with Joe Bergin.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: kevmy on January 05, 2009, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: mannix on January 05, 2009, 09:17:30 AM
aom may not be county standard but he kicked 5 points from all angles against kerry  in croke park in 2005.he must have something going for him.the new lads will need time, please do not destroy them with negative talk after 1 january game.

AOM has something going from him. He can kick points from all angles and is generally very accurate. However over the last few years I think it has been proved that come the fast ground Austie doesn't have the speed of leg or mind for championship and for some reason can't win good ball despite his size. AOM has had his chance and unfortunately hasn't taken it.

As for the new lads, give them time, certainly wouldn't write anyone off at this stage.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 05, 2009, 08:49:33 PM
Didn't make the game, and glad I didn't depress myself by going along!

We can't write fellas off after one game. Flu, nerves, tough Christmas, new rules etc etc can all contribute to poor performances.

However I think Austin O'Malley has nothing to offer. Yes he scored 5 points against Kerry before (3 when the game was lost). He just doesn't perform at the highest level and holds everything up. We don't have good forwards and so pace is our biggest attribute.

Colm Cafferkey has had a fair few FBD shots now. Doesn't look like he will make it.

Glad to see 2/3 of the full-back line doing well. It is disappointing that old problems remain - conceding early goals has killed us for too long and management have questions to answer about focusing minds when a team is sent out on the pitch.

That's the end of the FBD anyhow for us unless we can thrash Sligo, and then beat the Rossies. It is a competition I would have liked to us have a right cut at, no excuses and set a mark of our intention for the year.

Right now however I would not be too hopeful for 09
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 05, 2009, 11:59:16 PM
No great hopes either. I think we might be a bit rough on Stonewall though. At least he was there and went to the trouble of giving us a good idea of what went on. I was nt able to stomach the trip myself so...... hopefully I ll make next weeks game.

A couple of things. First I hope Stonewall is wrong about O Sé prospects. Stonewall is entitled to his doubts and he s not the only one that has them. Myself, I think O Sé has an awful lot going for him.

I agree with Barney and fellas being wheeled out for FBD year after year without any real prospect of them going further.  Also  predictable that Austin and Killer live up to their usual standard - 2 of the more senior men on the team.

On a bright note the performance of Cafferkey for NUIG is probably more important than any one of the Mayo team s performance. I don t believe full back is his best position but somebody has to play there. He is imo one of the best 6 backs around and probably our best no 6 but might not have the luxury to play him there. Another bright note is young Keane. Championship this year is not beyond him either.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 06, 2009, 09:51:25 AM
I didn't mean to start the New Year on a negative note but I was very disappointed by what I saw last Sunday. I'm only going on what I witnessed the last day in Dangan. I'm also basing the player rating on the fact that NUIG were the opposition (not the toughest of opponents that Mayo will face this year!).

We can revisit this come championship time and see how many of these lads are still about. Don't get me wrong I hope I'm proved wrong in my view of the new lads.

I think Aidan O'Shea is a fine prospect and I'd love if he turned performances for the seniors like he did last summer for the minors. But I honestly don't believe he has the mobility for senior inter county football. I can only see him making it as a target man.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 06, 2009, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 06, 2009, 09:51:25 AM
But I honestly don't believe he has the mobility for senior inter county football. I can only see him making it as a target man.

I agree there StoneWall. I have said it on here that I dont think he has the pace for Senior Inter County. As he gets older I reckon he could struggle with his weight a bit too. Its a shame because he is a class act. Anyone I know that has played against him or marked him holds him in high regard. Im not sure would he work as a Full Forward either though as he always turns onto his left. As a FF you need to be able to kick off both feet.
I hope im proven wrong though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: kevmy on January 06, 2009, 11:00:20 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 06, 2009, 09:51:25 AM
I didn't mean to start the New Year on a negative note but I was very disappointed by what I saw last Sunday. I'm only going on what I witnessed the last day in Dangan. I'm also basing the player rating on the fact that NUIG were the opposition (not the toughest of opponents that Mayo will face this year!).

We can revisit this come championship time and see how many of these lads are still about. Don't get me wrong I hope I'm proved wrong in my view of the new lads.

I think Aidan O'Shea is a fine prospect and I'd love if he turned performances for the seniors like he did last summer for the minors. But I honestly don't believe he has the mobility for senior inter county football. I can only see him making it as a target man.

Well I don't really care about the FBD to be honest half our best players are playing for the colleges the other half are still digesting the turkey. Add to this the ban on collective training for intercounty teams and it really is a mickey mouse competition.

I saw Alan Dillon play in the first round of the FBD last year in Ballinrobe and if you told me someone from another country he was one of the top forwards in the country they would have laughed you out the gate. But come summer he was on good form.

I'm sick of this peaking in May, June, August carry on. I wouldn't give a flying duck if we lost every game going this year up until the championship if we went out and won Sam
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 06, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Kevmv you mightn't care about the FBD, and it is not the be all and end all but the fact remains players, management adn supporters have found easy excuses for too long. That is where our problems start. Galway aren't moaning, they have similar problems. They are getting on with it and getting what they can out of the exercise. Until mindsets change we will stay in a rut.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 06, 2009, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Barney on January 06, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Kevmv you mightn't care about the FBD, and it is not the be all and end all but the fact remains players, management adn supporters have found easy excuses for too long. That is where our problems start. Galway aren't moaning, they have similar problems. They are getting on with it and getting what they can out of the exercise. Until mindsets change we will stay in a rut.

I dont know how you can talk about where the problems start when we dont even have a full team for the FBD.
The FBD league means absolutely nothing. In the same way as the Kelly cup and similar mickey mouse club competitions mean nothing. Of the starting 15 that took the pitch id say we will be lucky to see 6 players play championship this year. You cant expect a team that have not trained together to walk out and beat a team that has been training hard together since September and who have their eyes on a Sigerson title. Man for man NUIG are a decent team, your expectations for this time of year is too high IMO.

And it quite natural to have a moan about the new rules which are pathetic IMO. There is no way that yellow card rule will remain. 

Quotes from JOM in todays Irish Times

Quote
The threat to football's physicality is a genuine worry for Mayo manager John O'Mahony after witnessing his severely under-strength team lose 2-10 to 1-8 against NUIG in Dangan on Sunday. "There were five sent off altogether in our game," said the Fine Gael TD for Mayo.

"As one of the managers who attended and co-ordinated the meetings on these issues I'm willing to give it time but talking to spectators after yesterday's game the overriding reaction was that the physicality has been taken out of the game. 'Pussyfoot football' was how one person put it; there really was no physicality at all.

"Yesterday wasn't a real test anyway as the players are just back together. These are glorified trials. I had players playing in 10 different venues around the country yesterday, including against us.

"It's one thing knowing what you'll get sent off for but out on the field the new rules still must become part of the players' thought process. I could almost see some players thinking as they went for the ball."

I dont think he is making easy excuses, he just stating the facts.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
if o se minds his body and what he eats his weight will never be a problem. On having the speed for senior county ball its not the end of the world, he can be trained to run faster, a different type of training than usual but it has worked for lots of people.
Leave him and his young colleagues alone and let him develop as a player, he obviously has the skill.
vinny murphy was not exactly shergar.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 06, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: mannix on January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
vinny murphy was not exactly shergar.

Jesus Mannix I know things aren't great right now but please God the bar is a bit higher than Vincenzo in the County Mayo.

Remember when Vinny was down in Kerry and there'd be opinion pieces in the paper about how he had a chance of making the Kerry team? Gotta love that Dublin meeja. ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 07, 2009, 12:05:29 AM
Quote from: mannix on January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
Leave him and his young colleagues alone and let him develop as a player, he obviously has the skill.

Just to be clear, im not getting at them at all. They are already fine players and I hope they make it.


Another thing struck me,
Keven Keane and Aidan O Shea are only 18. Jason Gibbons is 19.

Thats some achievement to get a Senior Inter County shirt at that age, regardless of the competition.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 07, 2009, 03:10:58 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 07, 2009, 12:05:29 AM
Quote from: mannix on January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
Leave him and his young colleagues alone and let him develop as a player, he obviously has the skill.

Just to be clear, im not getting at them at all. They are already fine players and I hope they make it.


Another thing struck me,
Keven Keane and Aidan O Shea are only 18. Jason Gibbons is 19.

Thats some achievement to get a Senior Inter County shirt at that age, regardless of the competition.

Add in the fact that both O'Shea and Keane are only in their Leaving Cert years and you get an even greater appreciation of how young they are. Imagine them coming to training next week wearing their uniforms with James Nallen returning from his job as a lecturer, Peadar Gardiner suited and booted from his mortgage company etc. They've a lot to learn yet and I'd have a decent level of confidence in both. I think a certain perspective and patience is due at this stage. By the way I was told this evening that at a training game on the Saturday Aidan O'Shea scored 2-4 from full-forward. Who was marking him? Ger Cafferkey . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: kevmy on January 07, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 06, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: mannix on January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
vinny murphy was not exactly shergar.

Jesus Mannix I know things aren't great right now but please God the bar is a bit higher than Vincenzo in the County Mayo.

Remember when Vinny was down in Kerry and there'd be opinion pieces in the paper about how he had a chance of making the Kerry team? Gotta love that Dublin meeja. ;D

I'd hope we set the bar a bit higher as well, but the point remains.

If your talented enough you will have a place on the team and A O'Sé has shown the talent so far. Now he has a lot to learn and he's only 18 so there shouldn't be pressure put on him. However I do think it's a little strange when for the last few years we've been crying out for a proper out-and-out target man in FF who has a pair of shooting boots. Then when a prospect comes along people are giving out that all he'll be able to play is in FF
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 07, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
I d be more hopefully that O Sé would be more Colin Corkery than Vinny Murphy. I d also be confident he will be a serious player at senior level. As he is still in secondary school it s hard to expect too much in terms of fitness/change in bodyweight distribution in the short term anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 07, 2009, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 07, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
I d be more hopefully that O Sé would be more Colin Corkery than Vinny Murphy. I d also be confident he will be a serious player at senior level. As he is still in secondary school it s hard to expect too much in terms of fitness/change in bodyweight distribution in the short term anyway.

Ah Jesus I don't think ya can compare him to either of the two boys. O'Shea's not carrying weight and is a lot more mobile than Corkery or Murphy. But ur right Moysider, it is hard to say at this stage what he might be like in terms of bodyweight distribution etc in a few years. I think the biggest thing we need with younger lads is patience and not expecting too much, too soon. Like remember that Pearse Hanley wasn't in the senior squad so early in his first year out of minor, compared to O'Shea and Kevin Keane. He was only brought in when Mayo were sent the qualifier route by Galway in May 07. I know JOM is always speaking about patience and sometimes it will grate, but in the case of younger players, and not just O'Shea and Keane but Vaughan, McLoughlin, Sean Prendergast, Brian Gallagher, Jason Gibbons etc, patience is key because they have the potential but do need time to find their feet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 08, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 06, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: mannix on January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
vinny murphy was not exactly shergar.

Jesus Mannix I know things aren't great right now but please God the bar is a bit higher than Vincenzo in the County Mayo.

Remember when Vinny was down in Kerry and there'd be opinion pieces in the paper about how he had a chance of making the Kerry team? Gotta love that Dublin meeja. ;D

he reminds me a bit like a young Padraig Brogan who was a huge minor as well but as we all know bucket loads of skill , he is only 18 so lets give him time and not put pressure on him 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 08, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
I see Moygownagh and Ardagh are to amalgamate at adult level having played together under the Ardmoy banner at underage level. Sign of the times I suppose and the next logical step for them I suppose, but sad all the same
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 09, 2009, 12:46:13 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 08, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
I see Moygownagh and Ardagh are to amalgamate at adult level having played together under the Ardmoy banner at underage level. Sign of the times I suppose and the next logical step for them I suppose, but sad all the same

Very sad to see but as you said a sign of the times.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 09, 2009, 12:51:17 AM
It certainly won't be the last example of this in Mayo.
Carramore and Hollymount will probably do something similar soon - they are already together underage in the form of St Gerard's.
Clubs like Ballycroy, Lacken, Ballycastle, Kilfian all must be feeling the pinch that rural Ireland is being squeezed by at the moment.
I think as long as clubs that amalgamate still have their own home ground, there will be a sense of identity for them but it is sad, all the same
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 09, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 09, 2009, 12:51:17 AM
It certainly won't be the last example of this in Mayo.
Carramore and Hollymount will probably do something similar soon - they are already together underage in the form of St Gerard's.
Clubs like Ballycroy, Lacken, Ballycastle, Kilfian all must be feeling the pinch that rural Ireland is being squeezed by at the moment.
I think as long as clubs that amalgamate still have their own home ground, there will be a sense of identity for them but it is sad, all the same

As I understand some players from those smaller clubs in north Mayo would have ended up joining the likes of Ballina. The knock on effect of that wouldn't be great for a small rural club.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
Moygownagh and Ardagh are amgamating this year as far as i know, with Kilfian joining them a year later. From a senior player point of view it'll be the last time a lot of them will play, fellas who would have been under pressure to turn out will now not bother
from an underage point of view it'll be good for the kids to have their own team, esp for Kilfian, rather than a killala biased Round Towers, will be a killer for the travelling though
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2009, 04:46:08 PM
New year, new faces, and some new rules
Mayo Advertiser, January 09, 2009.

Need some tweaking: John O'Mahony thinks that the new rules regarding sin binning will need some tweaking as the league progresses. Photo: Sportsfile.
By Colm Gannon

As his side made the longer than normal trek back to the dressing room from the pitch in Dangan after subsiding to a five point defeat at the hands of NUIG, John O'Mahony faced the first of his interrogations at the hands of the hungry press core on the 50m line of the college pitch. After getting his first competitive view of his side for 2009 and how the new rules regarding yellow cards would play out, he held court over what he had just seen for the previous 60 minutes. Over the course of the game five players, two from Mayo and three from NUIG, were shown the line for picking up yellow cards, one as early as the eighth minute when Greg Begley was sent to the line for a clumsy challenge on Billy Joe Padden. "I believe the GAA are not going to change them because managers are saying they want them changed, but we have a meeting in the middle of January and I'll do my talking there. There will need to be some tweaking on them, the first lad to get sent off for NUIG my reading of it initially is it's a yellow card if you pull down a player, and will that lead to people appearing to be pulled down or fall and get a lad sent off. We'll give them a chance and see, if it adds to free flowing football then it's always a positive, but we'll have to hold our fire and see," said O'Mahony.

When questioned about the effect that the new rules had on his thinking before the game, O'Mahony admitted that it would cause management teams to be thinking ahead all the time and be ready for every possibility. "The most effect it had on me was to make sure I had six subs today, because you need to be interchanging and I'd say it's a huge burden on the referee as well. They have a lot of things to be thinking about there. I know a lot of work has gone into them and I don't want to downgrade them. Peadar Gardiner was put off for us today and normally in the old rules, it wouldn't be a ticking never mind a yellow card."


Wait and see on the new rules

While the FBD league is a proving ground for new players, rather than a competition where everything is put on the line, O'Mahony is waiting to see how it will pan out, and can see some major issues arising later on in the year if the rules are put into practice exactly to the letter of the law without some tweaking. "Fast forward to an All Ireland final, with 10 minutes to go and the game level and the man of the match for some reason gets caught with a tackle and sent off and the massive influence that will have. You always have new rules in league and FBD games, but as the year goes on, particularly in the latter stages of the championship, it will be referreed completely differently. If it was to be done to the letter of the law we have to wait and see how it pans out."


New faces given a run out

Apart from the national talking points over the rules for the year, the housekeeping on the home front had to be addressed also. For the third year in a row, Mayo started the FBD with a loss, but it's still a long season and O'Mahony isn't panicking but still would like to have all his players available. "It's the FBD, we all know about the FBD, it was a game and a chance to look at a few people in a competitive setting. From our point of view it's frustrating that looking at Ger Cafferkey there at full back for NUIG we'd have liked to have had a look at him in our team. We are going to have a lot of new faces in for the league coming in without playing with us during the FBD." While defeat is never the desired result, O'Mahony did give youth its chance, with Kevin Keane and Aidan O'Shea both fresh out of the minor class of 2008 being given the lynchpin positions at full back and full forward for the game. Others to get a run out included Ballintubber's Jason Gibbons and Claremorris defender Sean Prendergast. O'Mahony called upon the younger players in the squad to fight for their place for later in the season and for those who may have been part of the panel for a number of years to start showing some more leadership. "We had a game A v B, and I said to the younger lads what we're looking for is guys symbolically putting up their hands on the field to say they want to wear the Mayo jersey on the field in the league. The jersey will always remain the same colour, it's the guys passing through that change. The guys who were the younger lads in the last few years will have to mature and it's great to see the people who have been here many years wanting to do it still, so roll on league and championship."


Another third level challenge this Sunday

Next up for Mayo is another third level challenge in the shape of Sligo IT in Ballinode, Sligo, on Sunday at 2pm. O'Mahony will be expected to pick from more or less the same deck as last weekend, with the exception of Ballaghaderreen sharpshooter Barry Regan, who although named at full forward for last weekend's opening fixture missed out through sickness. Sligo IT themselves got off to a poor start and were hammered 3-13 to 0-5 by Roscommon in Fergal O'Donnell's debut in charge of the side. As last week there will be Mayo interest on the college side with Tom Parsons lining out at midfield and Alan Costello also in their side.


Ballina to host league opener

It has also been confirmed this week that Mayo's National Football League Division 1 opener at home to Derry on February 1 has been switched from McHale Park, Castlebar, to James Stephens Park, Ballina. The reason for the switch is due to the construction work going on at the moment in the Castlebar ground as the new stand is being constructed. It is expected that Mayo will return to McHale Park for the visit of Westmeath on March 8.



Great to see the League opener been played in Ballina just like the good auld days at least there will be a bit of an athmosphere at the match   :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 10, 2009, 12:54:13 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
Moygownagh and Ardagh are amgamating this year as far as i know, with Kilfian joining them a year later. From a senior player point of view it'll be the last time a lot of them will play, fellas who would have been under pressure to turn out will now not bother
from an underage point of view it'll be good for the kids to have their own team, esp for Kilfian, rather than a killala biased Round Towers, will be a killer for the travelling though
those parishes are  so spread out there wouldn't be many walking to training anyway. its a miracle they have keept it going as long as this . they were often dependant a a few large families to provide the bulk of the players but thats becoming rarer and rarer.
better to amalgamate than miss out on th next anthony finnerty
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 11, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 10, 2009, 12:54:13 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 09, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
Moygownagh and Ardagh are amgamating this year as far as i know, with Kilfian joining them a year later. From a senior player point of view it'll be the last time a lot of them will play, fellas who would have been under pressure to turn out will now not bother
from an underage point of view it'll be good for the kids to have their own team, esp for Kilfian, rather than a killala biased Round Towers, will be a killer for the travelling though
those parishes are  so spread out there wouldn't be many walking to training anyway. its a miracle they have keept it going as long as this . they were often dependant a a few large families to provide the bulk of the players but thats becoming rarer and rarer.
better to amalgamate than miss out on th next anthony finnerty

I dont agree with amalgamation as such as it doesnt solve the big problem of rural decline and clubs losing players to towns.
I would prefer to see club boundaries re-drawn because the likes of Castlebar, Breaffy and the bigger towns too big of a pick. You could see up to 140 kids eligible to tog out for the Castlebar Mitchells U-10 team with only 20 and possibly 40 ever getting a game. The kids left out are hurt, bewildered and disillusioned and are lost forever. God knows what kind of player they would have made. It really is a pity.

Also new rules and exceptions should be implemented to cater for kids who are going to school in one area and having to play with a club, whom the kids have no affiliation with. The same goes for people bringing their kids out from Castlebar (and other bigger towns) to rural National Schools (where it is perceived that smaller classes lead to better attention etc). The kids leave their friends of National Shcool to play in the town teams and would be very lucky to ever to make it.

There is loads of things that can be looked at but redrawing boundaries or having Grey area corridors where kids and players could play for who the like would make more since if we are to keep rural clubs alive. Its ironic that Breaffy and Mitchells are overwhelmed in their National Schools and U10+ teams, yet we have other clubs, not 10 miles away forced to amalgamate at underage.  :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2009, 09:59:58 PM
I know our club have been boosted by a population boost and I can accused of taking this stance because we're doing okay but I do think we have to be careful about what way we go about doing things here.

The GAA is based in the parish by and large and I think we're in trouble if we see that being dilluted. The way things are with Breaffy is that it is part of the parish of Castlebar and therefore anyone from Breaffy can play with Castlebar and vice versa. Its kept together fairly well though. If a lad goes to school in Breaffy, he would normally play with Breaffy. School in Castlebar sees him going to the Mitchels. But I've heard of plenty of lads who might not be happy, for whatever reason, wanting to transfer out to us.
Generally the clubs don't allow it happen, unless its fairly genuine reason for transferring. But if you create grey areas you might end up with a lot of lads see-sawing between clubs like you see with some lads in soccer, thats not a road we need to be going down.
There is a lot of wastage from the likes of Castlebar (not so much with us because we're not as flooded with numbers as you might think) because there are simply too many lads of one age in the area. But that's not a recent phenomenon in Castlebar and in towns generally. An average footballer will usually slip by the wayside in a town, he'd be kept on at a smaller club and might do very well for them.
Certainly something has to be done about the lack of people moving into rural areas - its something that really needs to be lobbyied by our politicians, but, that apart, I'm not sure what the GAA can do.
BTW Abbeysider, what club are you talking about that has to amalgamate at underage?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 12, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2009, 09:59:58 PM
BTW Abbeysider, what club are you talking about that has to amalgamate at underage?

I think I got a bit confused there.  :-[
I was referring to Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin but now im unsure.
I know they were always known as Parke but at Bord Na nOg there were Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin.
Thats probably because of National Schools joining Parke GAA club officially? Rather than an actual club amalgamation as I was referring to. Apologies.  :)
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Post by: mannix on January 12, 2009, 08:33:15 AM
good scoring from mayo lads at the weekend in a few different teams. Mort got a bloody nose or mouth from vaughan?austie and sweeney scored well too.
what do you make of it and what about young o sheas game?
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 12, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 12, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2009, 09:59:58 PM
BTW Abbeysider, what club are you talking about that has to amalgamate at underage?

I think I got a bit confused there.  :-[
I was referring to Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin but now im unsure.
I know they were always known as Parke but at Bord Na nOg there were Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin.
Thats probably because of National Schools joining Parke GAA club officially? Rather than an actual club amalgamation as I was referring to. Apologies.  :)


I'll have to correct ya on that one - the area which comprised Parke, Turlough, Ross, Crimlin, Ballyvary and Keelogues always played GAA as Parke, even if it consists of two parishes (Parke and Keelogues, I think Crimlin is a half parish of Parke). However in the 1990's there was a move by Keelogues to form their own club  but the reality was they wouldn't have the numbers to compete. Anyway as a compromise they decided to call the club Parke/Keelogues and then the Crimlin lads said 'sure ya might as well throw us on the end too'. So the club's name was changed to PKC. But they now just refer to themselves as Parke seeing as PKC is a bit of a mouthful and most club members are a bit embarrassed by it. But it was just a change of name really, not an amalgamation of areas or national schools.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 12, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 12, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
I'll have to correct ya on that one - the area which comprised Parke, Turlough, Ross, Crimlin, Ballyvary and Keelogues always played GAA as Parke, even if it consists of two parishes (Parke and Keelogues, I think Crimlin is a half parish of Parke). However in the 1990's there was a move by Keelogues to form their own club  but the reality was they wouldn't have the numbers to compete. Anyway as a compromise they decided to call the club Parke/Keelogues and then the Crimlin lads said 'sure ya might as well throw us on the end too'. So the club's name was changed to PKC. But they now just refer to themselves as Parke seeing as PKC is a bit of a mouthful and most club members are a bit embarrassed by it. But it was just a change of name really, not an amalgamation of areas or national schools.

Noted...   ;)  ;D
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Post by: Davitt Man on January 12, 2009, 02:04:44 PM
any word on club fixtures for the year?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 12, 2009, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on January 12, 2009, 02:04:44 PM
any word on club fixtures for the year?

League not starting until weekend of April 4th I think (Mayo are playing in National League every weekend of March)
Fixtures should be out very soon.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on January 12, 2009, 05:00:42 PM
Have to agree with ya there Deel Rover about having games in Ballina. If the Showgrounds are open it'd be very handy to get to from my house. :)
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 13, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
Leagues tarting weekend of April 4 and 5
Div 1A games
Shrule v Ballagh; Westport v Burris; Ballina v Breaffy; Ballinrobe v Charlestown; Cross v Moy Davitts; Knockmore have a bye.

First five round are due to be played on consecutive weekends.

C'ship draw likely to be made before end of month; first round on May 23/24 or May 30/31, second round July 4/5 and third round August 8/9.
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Post by: FL/MAYO on January 14, 2009, 02:08:25 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 12, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 12, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2009, 09:59:58 PM
BTW Abbeysider, what club are you talking about that has to amalgamate at underage?

I think I got a bit confused there.  :-[
I was referring to Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin but now im unsure.
I know they were always known as Parke but at Bord Na nOg there were Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin.
Thats probably because of National Schools joining Parke GAA club officially? Rather than an actual club amalgamation as I was referring to. Apologies.  :)


I'll have to correct ya on that one - the area which comprised Parke, Turlough, Ross, Crimlin, Ballyvary and Keelogues always played GAA as Parke, even if it consists of two parishes (Parke and Keelogues, I think Crimlin is a half parish of Parke). However in the 1990's there was a move by Keelogues to form their own club  but the reality was they wouldn't have the numbers to compete. Anyway as a compromise they decided to call the club Parke/Keelogues and then the Crimlin lads said 'sure ya might as well throw us on the end too'. So the club's name was changed to PKC. But they now just refer to themselves as Parke seeing as PKC is a bit of a mouthful and most club members are a bit embarrassed by it. But it was just a change of name really, not an amalgamation of areas or national schools.

When we move back in a few years we will probably be living in Manulla, what club would the young fellow be playing with when he returns, my wife thinks it would be Balla?
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Post by: dodo on January 14, 2009, 04:24:31 AM
Manulla is Balla parish alright. Currently languishing down the leagues, a big fall since contesting a county final in 1993 and winning a league.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 14, 2009, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: dodo on January 14, 2009, 04:24:31 AM
Manulla is Balla parish alright. Currently languishing down the leagues, a big fall since contesting a county final in 1993 and winning a league.

hmm... Is there some villages in Manulla that are part of Breaffy dodo?
I know of a few lads that were in school in Balla that played for Breaffy.

What state is Balla Bord Na nOg in these days? Thats where to start building for the future again.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 14, 2009, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: dodo on January 14, 2009, 04:24:31 AM
Manulla is Balla parish alright. Currently languishing down the leagues, a big fall since contesting a county final in 1993 and winning a league.

hmm... Is there some villages in Manulla that are part of Breaffy dodo?
I know of a few lads that were in school in Balla that played for Breaffy.

What state is Balla Bord Na nOg in these days? Thats where to start building for the future again.

I'll field that one. No part of Manulla is in Breaffy. Once you cross the Manulla bridge, just after the railway crossing, you are in Breaffy. The  Jennings' are living in Manulla and play with Breaffy but they're originally from Breaffy anyhow. The Basquills played with Breaffy too for years, think there's a connection there but not 100% sure.
Balla are in dire straights at adult level anyhow. You would think they might start doing well at underage level though because there are a lot of new houses in Balla, Manulla and Belcarra and, presumably, a lot of young families living there as a result.
FL/Mayo sure move to Breaffy, much nicer area than Manulla  ;) :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 14, 2009, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 14, 2009, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: dodo on January 14, 2009, 04:24:31 AM
Manulla is Balla parish alright. Currently languishing down the leagues, a big fall since contesting a county final in 1993 and winning a league.

hmm... Is there some villages in Manulla that are part of Breaffy dodo?
I know of a few lads that were in school in Balla that played for Breaffy.

What state is Balla Bord Na nOg in these days? Thats where to start building for the future again.

I'll field that one. No part of Manulla is in Breaffy. Once you cross the Manulla bridge, just after the railway crossing, you are in Breaffy. The  Jennings' are living in Manulla and play with Breaffy but they're originally from Breaffy anyhow. The Basquills played with Breaffy too for years, think there's a connection there but not 100% sure.
Balla are in dire straights at adult level anyhow. You would think they might start doing well at underage level though because there are a lot of new houses in Balla, Manulla and Belcarra and, presumably, a lot of young families living there as a result.
FL/Mayo sure move to Breaffy, much nicer area than Manulla  ;) :D

The view is better in Manulla especially around Burris ;). I suppose I can wait to see the under age set up in each club before deciding which is the best club to join when the time comes. Will he have to play with Balla or can he decide which club he wants to play for himself? I know my wifes neighbors son played with Breaffy.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Maybe players in Manulla can chose between the two, if they wish. Not 100% sure but Balla objected before to a Manulla lad playing with Breaffy and it got thrown out so that would indicate Manulla people can choose.
Some view up Burris alright!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 14, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Maybe players in Manulla can chose between the two, if they wish. Not 100% sure but Balla objected before to a Manulla lad playing with Breaffy and it got thrown out so that would indicate Manulla people can choose.
Some view up Burris alright!

Wasnt the Mayo minor keeper last year from Manulla (or near there)? Isnt he a Breaffy player? No wonder poor Balla are in trouble!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 09:46:58 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on January 14, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Maybe players in Manulla can chose between the two, if they wish. Not 100% sure but Balla objected before to a Manulla lad playing with Breaffy and it got thrown out so that would indicate Manulla people can choose.
Some view up Burris alright!

Wasnt the Mayo minor keeper last year from Manulla (or near there)? Isnt he a Breaffy player? No wonder poor Balla are in trouble!!

No, he's definitely from Breaffy. Place called Plovervale, about a mile from the 'border' I'd say.
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Post by: fearsiuil on January 15, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Maybe players in Manulla can chose between the two, if they wish. Not 100% sure but Balla objected before to a Manulla lad playing with Breaffy and it got thrown out so that would indicate Manulla people can choose.
Some view up Burris alright!

There is no ambiguity regarding Manulla at all, it is part of Balla parish. The main choice they have is whether to play GAA and/or soccer, or maybe the other way around ! The case I think you may be referring to is one back in the 90s when a lad who had played all his underage for Balla plus a few years senior transferred over as he couldn't make the senior team regularly enough for his liking. My recollection of this is that Balla did not object.
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Post by: StoneWall on January 15, 2009, 08:43:06 AM
I recall some problem between Balla and Ballintubber a few years ago about underage players. Some lads playing for Ballintubber when they were in the parish of Balla. I think it involved some palyers and officials being suspended.

Also there was some issue about Alan and Gary Dillon and that they should have been playing for Breaffy based on where they lived?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 17, 2009, 12:37:45 AM
Completely off subject but what the hey

I must be a gluton for punishment but I just sat through an hour of youtube clips of the 1996 season. Didn't know they were there but just discovered them on a pretty good link (one that has loads of Laochra Gael episodes up and plenty more GAA clips that's well worth checking out - http://www.youtube.com/user/gaabeo

I'd never seen any repeat of 1996 since the day itself (apart from the fight scene which is shown as often as Haughey's GUBU statement).

Christ watching the replay was tough, I was nearly more pissed off watching that than the first game. I was 14 at the time so my memory wasn't precise but I was sure we had a six point lead with ten minutes to go, it wasn't as bad then when I saw it was 22 minutes, but still. It amazes me how  much the replay isn't seen as an opportunity lost. We were level in injury time with possession when we gave it away!

Had to marvel at the size of players at the time - McHale, McManamon, Dempsey (a real battering ram!), Horan, Nallen, Cahill and Brady - all serious size of men - and another the clips refreshed in me was just how amazingly good Maurice Sheridan's free taking was. Granted, he was brilliant from open play but he wasn't as bad as made out either. Put it this way if there is a comparison in today's game it would be Brian Sheehan. I reckon Sheridan was better under pressure, had equally as good a range from distance and contributed MORE from general play. But not everyone will share that view.

I remain certain too that no blame can be attached to John Madden for Coyle's equaliser. It would have been suicide to come for that ball, it was never a keeper's ball, never.
But I had forgotten all about his howler against Kerry in the semi-final, my God what a blunder!

Horan's rise from nowhere was spectacular as well. Some of his points were absolutely savage and the goal against Kerry was class, if he meant it! A Ballintubber man would be cheeky enough to try it anyway ;)
I'd be curious to hear from some of the slightly older lads that would have followed the football then a lot more forensically than I did at the time thought of Horan that year. Did he really come from nowhere or was he an obvious call-up? Did he impress straightaway or did Maughan show admirable patience? Because he would appear to be one of the few out of nowhere discoveries of the last fifteen years and I just wonder how much was that the case? It was probably easier to come from nowhere then than now because of extensive media coverage etc

Casey was class too against Kerry but ineffective in the final. Nallen's goal against Kerry too right out of the top drawer.

But the last few minutes of the replay was very tough to watch, especially the players after the final whistle, poor Madden sitting in the goal while the celebrations go on around him. An image that would stay with ya.
I said several times I'd never watch it but I spotted it this evening and put myself through it. Not easy, if you watch it make sure you don't have any remote controls nearby to throw or pets to kick because you'll be boiling up! Anyway I'll have to get to the pub next Friday to make sure the night isn't as depressing. Its a good job there's no spirits in the house or I'd be pouring myself a nice few house measures!
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Post by: rosnarun on January 17, 2009, 02:30:57 AM
it depend on whether hes any good or not. if he isnt he can play for whoever he likes
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: jodyb on January 17, 2009, 08:39:55 AM
Lads, Any word on where the Derry NFL game is bein played
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 17, 2009, 09:59:53 PM
1996, a world away and we are still waiting.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 17, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
Janey! R&GS, those videos bring back bittersweet memories for me!
I haven't attempted looking at any sort of recording of those games till now.
James Horan was one class act and that's for sure. I think he appeared in the National League, the 95/96 one, before the championship run of 96. In newspaper profiles, much that he was a native of New Zealand. I can't recall if he had only returned as an adult or had been brought back as a child but in any event he didn't play in under age grades.
He lit up the 96 championship season; at a time when Mayo forwards had great difficulty in hitting a barn door with a banjo, James seemed able to pop up and loft over points with little or no effort. Believe me; Mayo were famous in them days and indeed for years beforehand for making an art out of missing scores.  James was every bit as sharp as the first video in the series indicates.
The Mayo side of that time ws indeed made up of big men. I recall a journalist writing somewhere or other that every one of the lads stood over 6 feet tall and none of them was a slow coach. The problem back then was that while the backs and midfield were easily as good as one would find in the country, the forwards were not up to much, James Horan accepted.   No joking about it, the quality of the side steadily deteriorated as you moved from no.2 out to no.15.
Incidentally, the same could be said of all Mayo sides from the mid-80s to the present decade.
(Now of course, there is no variation in quality throughout the field but I won't dwell on that. Enough is enough!)
UP front, we did lack punch but this was overcome to a large degree by the fact that the backs and midfield won so much possession and Nallen and Noel Connelly were quite good at carrying ther ball into attack and both , Connelly especially, were handy enough at shooting.
Colm Mc Manamon was the fittest man I ever saw play football. He could keep running from start to finish but he just couldn't shoot straight if his life depended on it. He was a mighty man to clean up breaking ball and pass it on- trouble was a few others also had no confidence to shoot and once they got the ball they immediately looked for someone to take over. Maurice Sheridan was one of these.
Maurice was mighty for taking frees but he never got stuck in open play. I honestly think he was only on the side for his free taking.  Ray Dempsey had been a class player some years previously but he was only returning after a bad leg break at this time and was nowhere as sharp as he had been. Casey looked grand when Mayo were out in front and going well but he never could dig in when the going was tough. He certainly had skill okay but seemed to lack heart. Larry Finnerty and David Nestor had a few things in common; they both gave it their best shot but neither could ever nail down a permanent spot on the team and both were on the scene for a long number of years. PJ Loftus was fairly handy but seemed to be unable to play well consistently. Good one day and anonymous the next- kinda like Austie does today if you can follow me. How Maughan ever saw Tom Reilly as a better option than Kevin O'Neill still puzzles me and many other Mayo fans.
Honestly, Horan alone was of All-Ireland quality once you looked past midfield.
Three of the backs got All Stars that year as did Liam McHale at midfield. (Brady had been plagued throughout by injury; otherwise he could have won one also.) Horan was the only forward to get one. He also picked one up in '99.
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Post by: Zulu on January 18, 2009, 08:15:10 AM
QuoteJames Horan was one class act and that's for sure. I think he appeared in the National League, the 95/96 one, before the championship run of 96. In newspaper profiles, much that he was a native of New Zealand. I can't recall if he had only returned as an adult or had been brought back as a child but in any event he didn't play in under age grades.

You're not saying he only picked up football in his late teens or early 20's are you?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on January 18, 2009, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 15, 2009, 08:43:06 AM
I recall some problem between Balla and Ballintubber a few years ago about underage players. Some lads playing for Ballintubber when they were in the parish of Balla. I think it involved some players and officials being suspended.

Also there was some issue about Alan and Gary Dillon and that they should have been playing for Breaffy based on where they lived?

The silence on this from the Ballintubber corner speaks volume's  ;)
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 18, 2009, 05:37:18 PM
Any word on todays result?
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Post by: MacDanger on January 18, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
Beaten by the sheepstealers by a point - 1-6 to 1-7.
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Post by: moysider on January 18, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
I remember James Horan s debut in a league match in Castlebar. It would have been Maughan s first competitive match in charge and I m sure Galway were the opposition. Mayo won and Horan was centre forward. The game was also notable for the return of Dermot Flanagan who gave an exhibition. Horan was new to me and most I think and not everybody was convinced about him all Winter,. He looked ungainly at times and was frequently blocked down.
Little did we know that we were on the verge of what was the closest we ve come to a golden age in this county for more than 50 years and may be the closest for some time to come if last 2 years anything to go by. I remember in May 96 saying to some lads that if we were to win Connacht we needed a big summer from likes of Horan. I got some raised eyebrows I can tell you. In fairness in the league q-final v Meath(a bit of a thriller in The Hyde) and semi defeat to Derry Horan was no better than reasonable. He grew into the Champ and reserved his best games ever for Croke Park.
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Post by: REDCOL on January 18, 2009, 09:21:21 PM
Enda Varley scored 0-7 today for UL in semi-final. He has been outstanding for a number of years on a very average Garrymore Senior Team. Will Johnno ever give him  a run. He is a very natural forward who can kick off either foot. In fairness, their is a number of players playing in FBD league games who would not lace his boots.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 18, 2009, 09:31:09 PM
Varley should definitely get a run. He's a player with potential but he needs to improve his decision making and his discipline if he's to step up to county standard. But considering our lack of genuine inside men, he's definitely one player that should be looked at
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 18, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
Lar, I certainly remember the shooting problems from that era! And it further underlines the lunacy of the Kevin O'Neill situation but sin sceal eile.
Horan was definitely born in New Zealand but I think his parents came back home while he was still a child. I doubt you'd see players like him coming on stream, out of nowhere, nowadays.

Moysider sounds like Maughan must take immense credit for spotting the ability in Horan because, as you say, it doesn't seem that it was initially obvious. I just always wondered what the nature of his arrival was, ie how out of left field was his selection
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Post by: moysider on January 19, 2009, 01:41:02 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 18, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
Lar, I certainly remember the shooting problems from that era! And it further underlines the lunacy of the Kevin O'Neill situation but sin sceal eile.
Horan was definitely born in New Zealand but I think his parents came back home while he was still a child. I doubt you'd see players like him coming on stream, out of nowhere, nowadays.

Moysider sounds like Maughan must take immense credit for spotting the ability in Horan because, as you say, it doesn't seem that it was initially obvious. I just always wondered what the nature of his arrival was, ie how out of left field was his selection


Well it looked like he came from nowhere. I d have been aware of most players but Ballintubber would not have been as strong then as now and I would nt have seen him play club and he would nt have figured in underage teams. Initially there was no indication that he would make the impact he did in Summer 96. Connelly was another that Maughan took from relative obsurity. He deserves great credit for going with these players and they nearly got us there. I have great regard for what Maughan did but I still cringe when I think of the difference players he did nt use might have made. I m thinking likes of Butler, Staunton, O Neill, Gary Ruane and Brian Heffernan.
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 19, 2009, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 18, 2009, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 15, 2009, 08:43:06 AM
I recall some problem between Balla and Ballintubber a few years ago about underage players. Some lads playing for Ballintubber when they were in the parish of Balla. I think it involved some players and officials being suspended.

Also there was some issue about Alan and Gary Dillon and that they should have been playing for Breaffy based on where they lived?

The silence on this from the Ballintubber corner speaks volume's  ;)

No Offence Stonewall,
I neither represent the views of the club or can answer for the club.
Public forums are not the time or the place. Thats why I cant speculate.  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 19, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on January 18, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
Beaten by the sheepstealers by a point - 1-6 to 1-7.

Anybody at this yesterday? Its the first FBD Mayo/Ros fixture I ve missed down the years. But I just did nt have the stomach for it this year.
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 19, 2009, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 19, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on January 18, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
Beaten by the sheepstealers by a point - 1-6 to 1-7.

Anybody at this yesterday? Its the first FBD Mayo/Ros fixture I ve missed down the years. But I just did nt have the stomach for it this year.

Willie Joe has a match report here...
http://mayogaablog.com/
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Post by: mannix on January 19, 2009, 12:40:40 PM
DID ANYONE HERE IF HEANEY AND NALLEN ARE GONE? Watched some video of 1996 at the weekend, talk about a sickener.
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Post by: kevmy on January 19, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on January 19, 2009, 12:40:40 PM
DID ANYONE HERE IF HEANEY AND NALLEN ARE GONE? Watched some video of 1996 at the weekend, talk about a sickener.


As of about a month ago Nallen hadn't made up his mind one way or the other.

No offence to either himself or Heaney but I don't think this present team will grow much with them playing. Maybe there as a sub/ squad player but if the young lads don't step up this year (looking mainly at Higgins and Howley) then this Mayo team will not come to anything. Leaders are needed in the backline and Gardiner apart no senior player has a nailed down spot there.
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Post by: SidelineKick on January 19, 2009, 05:26:58 PM
Lads anyone able to confirm the venue for Derry match on the 1st Feb?
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 19, 2009, 05:51:49 PM
James Stephens Park in Ballina, McHale Park redevelopment not complete yet
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Post by: SidelineKick on January 19, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
 :D typical! Booked hotel in Castlebar yesterday! Ah well, would 3/4 of an hour take me to Ballina from there?
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 19, 2009, 05:57:18 PM
Easily. It's a half hour drive with normal traffic, maybe allow a bit more time for match traffic. Big crowd coming down for it?
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Post by: SidelineKick on January 19, 2009, 05:59:35 PM
Ah good stuff.  I would doubt it to be honest  :-\ we don't travel well.  Derry have one of the worst supports in the country, but who knows with a bit of optimism this year a few extra heads might come to see if theres anything to be optimistic about!
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Post by: dodo on January 19, 2009, 08:01:52 PM
Let's hope we play with a bit more organisation and heart than we did in Celtic park in summer 2007. With a good Mayo crowd travelling that day it was a real let down, Derry winning without having to extend themselves. To have won would have capped off a great weekend in the Maiden city.
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on January 20, 2009, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: dodo on January 19, 2009, 08:01:52 PM
Let's hope we play with a bit more organisation and heart than we did in Celtic park in summer 2007. With a good Mayo crowd travelling that day it was a real let down, Derry winning without having to extend themselves. To have won would have capped off a great weekend in the Maiden city.
Well Dodo, good to see you back on the board, the bad weather must be affecting your business! We had a few nice that day in the Maiden city, the bogside inn if memory serves me correct.
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Post by: dodo on January 20, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on January 20, 2009, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: dodo on January 19, 2009, 08:01:52 PM
Let's hope we play with a bit more organisation and heart than we did in Celtic park in summer 2007. With a good Mayo crowd travelling that day it was a real let down, Derry winning without having to extend themselves. To have won would have capped off a great weekend in the Maiden city.
Well Dodo, good to see you back on the board, the bad weather must be affecting your business! We had a few nice that day in the Maiden city, the bogside inn if memory serves me correct.

The drink hasn't dulled your recollection yet ! We had a nice few to be sure, was half buckled leaving that Bogside Inn, had to keep it going after getting the spuds in. Here's hoping for better things in 2009. Did you bump in to any ex acquaintances of yours afterwards ???  ;)
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Post by: StoneWall on January 20, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 19, 2009, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 18, 2009, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 15, 2009, 08:43:06 AM
I recall some problem between Balla and Ballintubber a few years ago about underage players. Some lads playing for Ballintubber when they were in the parish of Balla. I think it involved some players and officials being suspended.

Also there was some issue about Alan and Gary Dillon and that they should have been playing for Breaffy based on where they lived?

The silence on this from the Ballintubber corner speaks volume's  ;)

No Offence Stonewall,
I neither represent the views of the club or can answer for the club.
Public forums are not the time or the place. Thats why I cant speculate.  ;)


No wonder Balllintubber are so successful at underage if this is the policy they apply! From what I've heard it seems Balla, Breaffy, Mayo Gaels and Westport have had issues with Ballintubber and players at underage!
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Post by: moysider on January 20, 2009, 11:30:56 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 19, 2009, 05:51:49 PM
James Stephens Park in Ballina, McHale Park redevelopment not complete yet

Had a gawk at McHale Park the other day and I would be surprised if there s any games there this Spring. The place is a building site and I could nt imagine health and safety allow it. There also appears to be a large yellow crane on playing area which would create a bit of a problem to all but the hardest Northern men. It would  be a poor setting for a match of any importance anyway - the decision to host county finals there last Autumn beggared belief. Playing at other venues will improve our chances of winning our home league games, as McHale Park has been far too impersonal in recent years imo.
On another note it was noticeable how Tyrone fielded so many heavy hitters v Monaghan last Sunday while we still have to put out a meaningful team. I realise there are mitigating circumstances for this. But surely if so many lads are playing for colleges the team should be backboned by likes of Heaney, Nallen, Aiden Higgins. Or are these lads coming back/asked back? The FBD is useless to us as it stands or with our present approach to it. Johnno obviously detests it. The sponsors must be thrilled. I m sure they ve better things they could do with their spare money then sponsor a competition that a high profile manager and TD ridicules. Anybody like to speculate on a starting XV against Derry? Not who you would like to see play but who are likely to feature and where.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 21, 2009, 12:18:50 AM
Maigh Eo v Doire thread on the main board Moysider. I had a stab at what I feel the team that should be tried should be. And you're right about McHale Park, I reckon it could be tight for the summer!

On the club scene I see Maughan reckons Crossmolina are only the seventh or eighth best team in the county! The mind games have begun!

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5786&Itemid=39
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Post by: stephenite on January 21, 2009, 12:40:23 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 21, 2009, 12:18:50 AM
Maigh Eo v Doire thread on the main board Moysider. I had a stab at what I feel the team that should be tried should be. And you're right about McHale Park, I reckon it could be tight for the summer!

On the club scene I see Maughan reckons Crossmolina are only the seventh or eighth best team in the county! The mind games have begun!

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5786&Itemid=39

John Maughan talking about delegation?  :D
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 21, 2009, 09:23:23 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on January 20, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
No wonder Balllintubber are so successful at underage if this is the policy they apply! From what I've heard it seems Balla, Breaffy, Mayo Gaels and Westport have had issues with Ballintubber and players at underage!

Your talking to a lot of people so! They dont have a leg to stand on dont worry, but they may envy our under-age success.

The trick is, (and you can tell them) we do our talking... on the pitch  ;)  :D

What club are you from anyway StoneWall?
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Post by: MacDanger on January 21, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 21, 2009, 12:18:50 AM
On the club scene I see Maughan reckons Crossmolina are only the seventh or eighth best team in the county! The mind games have begun!

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5786&Itemid=39

I'd have to disagree with Maughan there, I would rate Ballina above Crossmolina!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Post by: stephenite on January 21, 2009, 11:38:16 PM
Ballina decimated with lads going abroad for the year apparently
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Post by: moysider on January 21, 2009, 11:40:53 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on January 21, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 21, 2009, 12:18:50 AM
On the club scene I see Maughan reckons Crossmolina are only the seventh or eighth best team in the county! The mind games have begun!

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5786&Itemid=39

I'd have to disagree with Maughan there, I would rate Ballina above Crossmolina!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)

AS a Ballina man I would nt. We were poor last year and there is going to be a massive exodus of players abroad this Summer - likes of Hughesy, Winny and more. Add in the lads that will spend most of the Spring and early Summer with the County and it ll probably mean a dodgy enough year for us.
Cross on the other hand may well be the team to beat. Ballagh' s defeat to Eastern Harps could take the wind from their sails a bit. They seem to lose impetus in the Autumn each year. They tied up completely v Charlestown in the County final second half and a bit more composure from Ctown would have got them home. In the case of McDonald he ll still be the best player in the county this year. As Deel Rover has intimated Johnno s decision to rid him has probably done Cross a favour and even extended his career. Likes of Nallens, Keane, Peadar will go on for years. Young Cafferkey is also a big boost. I m going with Cross.
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 22, 2009, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: moysider link=topic=13.msg458965#msg458965
In the case of McDonald he ll still be the best player in the county this year. As Deel Rover has intimated Johnno s decision to rid him has probably done Cross a favour and even extended his career.

Im especially annoyed about this one.
Has anyone else noticed that Nallen and Heaney are being given loads of time this year to make up their minds as to whither or not they are rejoining the panel?? They are getting a nice long break.

Yet last year McDonald was not given the same time and respect?
What is so different?

JOM looks like a walking contradiction and a hypocrite. McDonald was treated very badly last year and this proves it.
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Post by: Zulu on January 22, 2009, 09:17:10 AM
I agree MacD was treated poorly, at least from what I know about it, but JOM may have had problems with him and felt he couldn't work with him or and I think this is the real reason, he felt Mayo played too much ball through MacD and that given his age, JOM wanted to start moulding a new Mayo team that he believes can win titles in a year or two. There was no point in persisting with a player who wasn't part of the final plan and who wouldn't be the difference between winning the AI last year or not.
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 22, 2009, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 22, 2009, 09:17:10 AM
I agree MacD was treated poorly, at least from what I know about it, but JOM may have had problems with him and felt he couldn't work with him or and I think this is the real reason, he felt Mayo played too much ball through MacD and that given his age, JOM wanted to start moulding a new Mayo team that he believes can win titles in a year or two. There was no point in persisting with a player who wasn't part of the final plan and who wouldn't be the difference between winning the AI last year or not.

JOM in my eyes fell at the hurdle, especially when he turns around this year and contradicts himself.

McD is probably hard to handle, what with always wanting the No. 11 shirt and the roaming he did, but Man Management is key. We are better with him than without.
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Post by: Zulu on January 22, 2009, 09:35:53 AM
Maybe today, and that's a big maybe IMO, but a manager has to be realistic when picking his panel, for example maybe JOM feels that Mayo won't win an AI with or without MD so he is looking to build a forward line and a style of play that will challenge for an AI in 2 years time. When you play MD you have to play through him, because he is so good but if you do that then you aren't developing any other style of play, furthermore some young player is sitting on the bench missing out on valuable playing time.

IMO JOM is saying MD isn't part of my long term plans so I'm going to work with the players who are and I'm going to try and find the right balance with these guys. Nallen and Heaney are different because they are defenders and are willing (I'd say) to be bit part players if that is what JOM wants.

Although MD is one of my favourite footballers, I think JOM is right to drop him off the panel, wrong the way he did it, but right to do it. Mayo won't win an AI in the next year or two with MD but they might get the right balance to win one in the next 3 to 4 years without him.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
Time for mayo to move on without Mc D however it suits us down to the ground in Cross.I'm delighted that Maughan is back with  cross he wouldn't take the job if he didn't think we would be there or thereabouts the likes of Jimmy , Mc D , Joe Keane keep them selves in great shape throw in the likes of Henry Mc Loughlin, Young Cafferkey, Mark Leonard to name a few we still have a strong outfit . Write us off at your peril  ;) :D
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 22, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
Time for mayo to move on without Mc D however it suits us down to the ground in Cross.I'm delighted that Maughan is back with  cross he wouldn't take the job if he didn't think we would be there or thereabouts the likes of Jimmy , Mc D , Joe Keane keep them selves in great shape throw in the likes of Henry Mc Loughlin, Young Cafferkey, Mark Leonard to name a few we still have a strong outfit . Write us off at your peril  ;) :D

The only person who has written ye off is Maughan! The rest of us know how dangerous ye are
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Post by: rosnarun on January 22, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
QuoteMayo won't win an AI in the next year or two with MD but they might get the right balance to win one in the next 3 to 4 years without him.
is that a joke?
your giving JOM 6 years to bring a team who reached an AIF to bring them that again ??
who are you his election agent?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 08:03:15 AM
 I said Mayo won't win an AI in the next year or two, an opinion most people would agree with I'd imagine, but the foundations can be put in place for success subsequently by giving younger lads their head, it doesn't mean that JOM will necessarily be manger when it success happens. It is clear you have a problem with JOM, fair enough, that is your opinion but criticism is only justified if based on some reasonable foundation. For starters who would you suggest replaces JOM, no point in calling for his head if there isn't anyone better to replace him? Secondly, on what basis are you saying that JOM has failed over the past 2 years? And what in your opinion would be a successful 2009?
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Post by: AbbeySider on January 23, 2009, 08:33:21 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 08:03:15 AM
I said Mayo won't win an AI in the next year or two, an opinion most people would agree with I'd imagine, but the foundations can be put in place for success subsequently by giving younger lads their head, it doesn't mean that JOM will necessarily be manger when it success happens. It is clear you have a problem with JOM, fair enough, that is your opinion but criticism is only justified if based on some reasonable foundation. For starters who would you suggest replaces JOM, no point in calling for his head if there isn't anyone better to replace him? Secondly, on what basis are you saying that JOM has failed over the past 2 years? And what in your opinion would be a successful 2009?

Zulu I fought tooth and nail with ros over his criticisms of JOM but now im losing patience fast.
I am hearing fairly negative things about the Mayo camp from people more in the know than myself.

Without spilling rumours the only thing I can say is that if anything he has brought us backwards.
Since he took over the only teams we have beaten in the championship is Sligo and Cavan.
He also retired, too early, one of the greatest players ever to play the game.
It looks to me like his heart is not in it.

Lets be clear, this year we are in big trouble.
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Post by: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 08:48:33 AM
There maybe trouble in the camp AS but if I'm not mistaken there were some rumours about the Tyrone camp last year as well, and generally I find that after the first year or two, especially if trophy's haven't been won, personalities tend to clash. That isn't necessarily a bad thing and I'd hold fire until the end of this year before I'd start questioning JOM.

You are right to say Mayo haven't beaten anyone of note during his reign but the first year was always going to be difficult and last year Mayo ran Tyrone closer than anyone and IMO should really have won that game. Mayo should also have won the Connacht final only for some very poor misses in the last 10 minutes when ye were on top.

I think ye could do well this year but I'm not sure Mayo lads have a realistic view of what success for Mayo is, IMO it isn't winning an AI, rather it is showing improvement on last year and beginning to fill some of the problem positions. If Mayo avoid Tyrone and Kerry until the semi final stage then I think a semi final berth is a realistic goal and from there who knows but a semi final place or a good showing against Kerry or Tyrone if ye meet them beforehand would be a good showing for 2009 IMO.
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Post by: small white mayoman on January 23, 2009, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 22, 2009, 09:35:53 AM

IMO JOM is saying MD isn't part of my long term plans so I'm going to work with the players who are and I'm going to try and find the right balance with these guys. Nallen and Heaney are different because they are defenders and are willing (I'd say) to be bit part players if that is what JOM wants.
Quote from: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 08:48:33 AM
There maybe trouble in the camp AS but if I'm not mistaken there were some rumours about the Tyrone camp last year as well, and generally I find that after the first year or two, especially if trophy's haven't been won, personalities tend to clash. That isn't necessarily a bad thing and I'd hold fire until the end of this year before I'd start questioning JOM.

You are right to say Mayo haven't beaten anyone of note during his reign but the first year was always going to be difficult and last year Mayo ran Tyrone closer than anyone and IMO should really have won that game. Mayo should also have won the Connacht final only for some very poor misses in the last 10 minutes when ye were on top.

I think ye could do well this year but I'm not sure Mayo lads have a realistic view of what success for Mayo is, IMO it isn't winning an AI, rather it is showing improvement on last year and beginning to fill some of the problem positions. If Mayo avoid Tyrone and Kerry until the semi final stage then I think a semi final berth is a realistic goal and from there who knows but a semi final place or a good showing against Kerry or Tyrone if ye meet them beforehand would be a good showing for 2009 IMO.

Which makes it all the more unusual to get rid of Mc the way he did. Why not have a player of mc s experience on the panel at least. I don'y understand this logic of building for the future .Last year was 2008 and if John O had better man management skills things could have been different. Like As said i have heard rumours about the mood in the camp not been great as well however i'll give John o the benefit of the doubt untill this year is out however we would want to see some improvement this year , like getting a settled team in place well before the championship this year and stop all this talk about needing time to rebuild and writing off our chance to the press before every championship game because at this stage i think the players are beginning to believe it . John o' has been given a smooth ride by both supportes and the local press the past 2 years something other managers in the past have not been given so now its time to see what he is made of as a manager
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Post by: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 10:08:44 AM
You could argue all day and all night about the benefits and drawbacks of keeping any player on a panel and when it is someone like MD opinion will always be divided but JOM has to make the decision and he has made it, but it is unfair to blame every defeat on leaving MD off the panel. If Mayo don't have other footballers who could have kicked those opportunities then the problems are much bigger than MD.

As for building for the future, well every manager has to do that even if they are winning AI's, you don't walk into the job and 4 or 5 months later have your team picked for the next 3 years. JOM has certain problem positions and it takes time to sort them out, in fact sometimes you'll never sort them out because you don't have the players. That is why Mickey Harte wouldn't win AI's with two thirds of the counties in the country.

Mayo's real problem is that you don't have enough of big time scoring forwards and therefore you don't get enough out of your periods of dominance against the top teams. JOM can't solve that in the space of 1 or 2 years, I mean Austie O'Malley wouldn't even make the Kerry or Tyrone panel let alone team. And I seem to remember many Mayo posters giving out about the then Mayo coach (I think it was Maughan) for not giving him more game time but it turns out he was right, Austie isn't IC standard.

All I'm saying is give JOM time and space, I understand you want to win AI's but you'll never progress if everytime you get a new manager he gets abuse if he doesn't deliver an AI within 2 years. There is nothing wrong with giving a guy 4 or 5 years to get things right. How long did it take Sean Boylan to win his first one?
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Post by: Davitt Man on January 23, 2009, 10:10:06 AM
This building for future idea is an excuse, he got rid of McD becasue he is building for the future well why the hell is Heaney and Nallen brought back every year?? You pick your best players and thats it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 10:25:25 AM
Nonsense, you have to have an eye on the future, look at Kerry after the great team of the 70's and early 80's. Like I say you can argue about the merits of playing MD but IMO opinion if you want to win AI's you have to build towards it and I wouldn't start either Nallen or Heaney again, they weren't good enough the last few years so they won't be good enough this year. Put in younger lads and let them find their feet, you won't win the AI either way this year but you might be a step closer next year by playing younger lads.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 23, 2009, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 23, 2009, 10:25:25 AM
Nonsense, you have to have an eye on the future, look at Kerry after the great team of the 70's and early 80's. Like I say you can argue about the merits of playing MD but IMO opinion if you want to win AI's you have to build towards it and I wouldn't start either Nallen or Heaney again, they weren't good enough the last few years so they won't be good enough this year. Put in younger lads and let them find their feet, you won't win the AI either way this year but you might be a step closer next year by playing younger lads.


Zulu you say to give O'mahony time and space but he has been given this and has had his "contract" extended for another 3 years . With regard JImmy he was probably mayo's best player in the championship last year and i'm not saying that because he is from cross i'm sure a lot of other posters on here would agree. As regards changing of managers we have only had 4 since 1996 Maughan , Holmes, Moran, O ' mahony not to bad for 14 years. In fairness the expectations of mayo supporters is the lowest i can ever recall thats just my opinion
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 23, 2009, 10:42:09 AM
Im not saying you shouldnt build for the future of course you have to blood new lads all the time.

What i meant was people are using this excuse of "building for the future" as s reason for shafting McD even though Nallen and Heaney are in the squad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 23, 2009, 12:18:10 PM
It's not healthy to be going over the McDonald saga again.

But I think what's important to remember are two things

McDonald didn't make the situation easy by not being involved from an earlier stage and also by not responding to the text message.

O'Mahony erred by not arranging to meet with McDonald. The text message was a very poor method of communication. At the time I said there was a method to is. As Zulu says O'Mahony didn't want McDonald involved because he wanted to build for the future and felt McDonald's inclusion might hold back the development of other players because everything is centred around him when he is playing. I didn't agree with that but I was willing to trust his judgement on the issue.

Now, nine or so months on, I'm a bit more cynical. I'd be of the opinion that O'Mahony didn't want McDonald involved was because he knew he would take a bit of man management, something O'Mahony is capable of. But I get the feeling O'Mahony's heart isn't in this job and plamaising McDonald is something he feels he couldn't be bothered doing. He does carry the demenour (sp) of someone who is fed up.

I really hope I'm wrong but I'm not full of hope
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 24, 2009, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 23, 2009, 12:18:10 PM
It's not healthy to be going over the McDonald saga again.

But I think what's important to remember are two things

McDonald didn't make the situation easy by not being involved from an earlier stage and also by not responding to the text message.

O'Mahony erred by not arranging to meet with McDonald. The text message was a very poor method of communication. At the time I said there was a method to is. As Zulu says O'Mahony didn't want McDonald involved because he wanted to build for the future and felt McDonald's inclusion might hold back the development of other players because everything is centred around him when he is playing. I didn't agree with that but I was willing to trust his judgement on the issue.

Now, nine or so months on, I'm a bit more cynical. I'd be of the opinion that O'Mahony didn't want McDonald involved was because he knew he would take a bit of man management, something O'Mahony is capable of. But I get the feeling O'Mahony's heart isn't in this job and plamaising McDonald is something he feels he couldn't be bothered doing. He does carry the demenour (sp) of someone who is fed up.

I really hope I'm wrong but I'm not full of hope

I m not going over the whole MacD debate again. I wrote enough about it last year and I don't see any reason to change my views. Amazes me though that some people still think it was part of some great rebuilding scheme that would pay dividends in a few years time. That likes of Killer and Austie would improve on one of our best players ever. Laughable. There is no perestroika in Mayo football. O Mahoney is no Gorbachev. At no stage has he looked like he had a plan.

There was a photo in the Indo during the week of the team pics from the 1994 Connacht Colleges Senior A final. 6 of the lads that played that day were on the Galway senior team that won 98 All Ireland. Tomás Meehan, Divilly, Declan Meehan ( 2001 team) Padraig and Tommie Joyce, Donnellan ( all St Jarlath's) and Savage with St. Pats. That was the blue print for Galway's success.

On a different note it appears that Enda Devenney has transferred to St. John's in Sligo. Enda only bothered to play junior club last yaer but if he regains interest and form he could well feature for the All Blacks . He s one of a massive exodus from the Stephenites this year. As many as half dozen lads transfering or going abroad for at least this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 25, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
Quotewhat basis are you saying that JOM has failed over the past 2 years? And what in your opinion would be a successful 2009?
her are kust a few
the 1st basis of o'mahoneys failure was the humiliation against a very average derry team in his 1st year in charge.(at least before that it took all ireland winners to do that to us)
his failure to beat galway or anyone meaningful in the championship ,
Mayos new habit of losing games they should clearly have won(see your own post for examples there are many more from last year)
the quenching of hope in so many mayo fans expectations.

what would be a success?  some of the below maybe
Know and ensure his best 15 are availble for the championship with no excuses
winning the connaught championship
beating galway or anyone meaningful in the championship
mature enough good young players playing in a style to make mayo believe they are going forward not back.
Be very competitive in every game mayo play
not lose to new york (just to give him a chance of getting one of them)
failing that a messy all ireland final win

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 26, 2009, 09:42:55 AM
I read in today's Independent that Mayo lost to Cork in a challenge match over the weekend.
Was anyone at it or know any of the details - who was playing etc?

I'm looking forward to the National League getting underway on Sunday. There has been a lot of pessimism (most of it understandable), so it will be interesting to see if the lack of enthusiasm among the supporters is also a feature among the squad, or if the rumours turn out to be idle talk because of a lack of any matches to discuss
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 26, 2009, 02:50:21 PM
I'm clinging to the pessimistic hope, in that nobody is expecting anything from Mayo this year and they might surprise us all!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 26, 2009, 04:58:07 PM
I doubt anyone will be surprised by Mayo this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 26, 2009, 05:13:46 PM
No one is expecting miracles, what we are expecting though

1.  A settled team, with the spine of the team picked early and left to it
2.  A good attitude and never give up attitude
3.  Players & management to do their talking on the pitch and no bitching sessions in the papers
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 26, 2009, 08:21:03 PM
davitt man, i agree 100%. Last year there was a very amateur approach by one or two lads in both word and action, they need to see the bigger picture, 100s of thousands of people are watching their every move and hoping they land Sam Maguire someday soon.I hope they surprise us but hope is the key word.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: criostlinn on January 26, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
"the man who bought back an Kevin O Neill in the twilight stages of his career and made him captain of the Mayo team.

A bold and triumphant move that was a direct gesture to the previous management.
It was welcomed by everyone after years of O Neill being overlooked, and it seen as a new dawn in Mayo footbal
"


Was Kevin O Neill not brought back by Micky Moran.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 27, 2009, 12:08:13 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on January 26, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
"the man who bought back an Kevin O Neill in the twilight stages of his career and made him captain of the Mayo team.

A bold and triumphant move that was a direct gesture to the previous management.
It was welcomed by everyone after years of O Neill being overlooked, and it seen as a new dawn in Mayo footbal
"


Was Kevin O Neill not brought back by Micky Moran.

I reseeded that one and removed the post (it was a bit rantish anyway   ::) ). Got my facts badly wrong. Forgot Moran brought back O Neill  :-[
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 27, 2009, 12:24:09 AM
 I must admit I could never understand his decision to appoint O Neill captain or drop MacDonald from his plans. Now anybody who ever read my posts will know I never regarded Johnno as a Messiah. I dont believe in Messiahs in football or anything else. And I did nt believe in Johnno but I hope he proves me wrong. No agenda except I dont believe ( contrary to popular opinion I ll admit) that he s a good coach. I wont argue too much with his management abilities except that he s probably old school and keeps players at arm s length.
Dropping MacDonald was perhaps his way of making a break with the recent past and a statement that he was going to create a team of his own. Thing is he has put no stamp of his own on the team. There is no distinctive style.  Then there never was with Johnno teams. In the old days he inherited O Neill's team and O Neill's stamp was all over that team until 1990. When the old guard faltered Johnno did not rejuvenate them. In Galway he inherited older experienced players like DePaor, Fahy, Finnegan, Walsh who combined with the superiorly talented Joyce, Donnellan, Savage, Meehan and Clancy to win 2 AIs. Maybe an underachievement for that squad and they did it off the cuff with their ability rather than any great coaching input. When the Northern Revolution and Kerry raised the bar in 2002/2003 Johnno s team could not respond. They were still good enough to beat Mayo most years playing their old game ( and lets face it we made it easy for them) but ambitious teams in Croke Park were beyond them. As they will this Mayo team. As will Liam Sammon ( a top coach)'s Galway as well.
  Worringly, for him, Johnno has not put any stamp on this team either. All the established players played better for previous managers - and looked happier too. Players he has put his trust in have not been a success. Think Austin, Andy, Kilcoyne, Conroy, Boyle, Kilcullens, Devenney, Cuniffe. Now some were played out of position and I would attach no blame to the player but their positioning were his judgement and in too many cases it did nt work. Players he overlooked and had to turn back to last year like Aidan H and Nallen saved the team some face.
Some contributers on here insist Johnno was right to jettison Mac cause everything was going through him/ slowing things down, blah blah and blah. Fair enough there may be some merit in that. Until you have a look. Did Johnno introduce a new dynamic style? Er..... no. We got Austin O Malley behind 2 lads inside who were reluctant to make runs because the outfield players had nt the inclination or ability to kick long accurate ball in, and our best attacking player was usually playing corner back.
The Barry Moran as ff looked like a success for Johnno. In fact the only success he s had and he left that behind to accomodate a player in a role that would have been a dream role for the player he so callously dismisssed. It does nt make sense.
  Johnno must now hopes the players can rescue the show( if it was a play in the local hall it would have been boooed off stage and shut down first night) but I think its a fairly forlorn hope. Too many of them remember when playing for Mayo was exciting and fun. Hell, I remember when following Mayo was exciting and fun. The last 2 years have been as bad as I ve seen. And I remember the 70s and Tuam '82. Ouch. Maughan brought in lads like Madden, Connelley and Horan from obscurity and they went to the cusp of greatness. M and M got great response from everybody and the players obviously loved them. Likes of Harte, McGarrity, Brady, Dillon were inspired. Crucially it was obvious M and M enjoyed working with this group of players as well.
Johnno on the other hand does nt even seem to like or trust players. It all seems that its a personal crusade for him and players have to be tolerated rather than embraced. This I believe is the key to the Mac affair. Rather than embrace the player's abilities he focused on negatives and decided it was more expedient to get rid of him. Being a man of considerable ego he probably did not expect the public backlash, believing the public loved him more.
Right now he needs some players to love him and be inspired by his management skills and regain some old form. Or some new lads to step up and rescue his second coming. Maybe likes of Cafferkey, Regan will turn things around. Who knows maybe the last two years were part of a worthy process. I hope so.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 27, 2009, 01:00:21 AM
 Now, now, lads, I will not have a single bad word said about the Anointed One. ;D
(Possibly a cupla dozen okay but just a single one....? No way, Jose!)
O'Neill was elected by a players' vote. I recall reading this in the Mayo News.

Anyway, I have made, and intend to keep, my New Year's Resolution.
I sincerely wish Johnno and the lads the very best of luck; it's a no-brainer that we all do the same, I suppose.
Furthermore, I hope he proves me teetotally wrong and produces a team with some shape and purpose and even a basic idea of what they are supposed to be doing on the field in the first place.
If he can field a team that is capable of playing to the best of its ability, I will honestly accept the outcome.
An All Ireland would be grand but I'd settle for the best he can coax out of the side, whatever that may be.
So, if you will excuse me, I'm off to locate my crash helmet; I'm worried I may get hit by a flying pig before long. ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 27, 2009, 01:45:52 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 23, 2009, 12:18:10 PM
It's not healthy to be going over the McDonald saga again.

The only irrefutable truth on this thread
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 27, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
Mayo drew with Cork in a challenge match last Saturday in Kilmallock (2-12 to 1-15) with goals from Alan Dillon and Mikey Sweeney. Ger Cafferkey is understood to have impressed again at full-back while Barry Moran was posted at full-forward against a strong Cork selection.
Pat Kelly, whose transfer back to Kilmaine from All-Ireland club champions St Vincent's was rubber-stamped last week, also lined out in the half-back line and should get another run-out next Sunday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on January 27, 2009, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2009, 12:24:09 AM
I must admit I could never understand his decision to appoint O Neill captain or drop MacDonald from his plans. Now anybody who ever read my posts will know I never regarded Johnno as a Messiah. I dont believe in Messiahs in football or anything else. And I did nt believe in Johnno but I hope he proves me wrong. No agenda except I dont believe ( contrary to popular opinion I ll admit) that he s a good coach. I wont argue too much with his management abilities except that he s probably old school and keeps players at arm s length.
Dropping MacDonald was perhaps his way of making a break with the recent past and a statement that he was going to create a team of his own. Thing is he has put no stamp of his own on the team. There is no distinctive style.  Then there never was with Johnno teams. In the old days he inherited O Neill's team and O Neill's stamp was all over that team until 1990. When the old guard faltered Johnno did not rejuvenate them. In Galway he inherited older experienced players like DePaor, Fahy, Finnegan, Walsh who combined with the superiorly talented Joyce, Donnellan, Savage, Meehan and Clancy to win 2 AIs. Maybe an underachievement for that squad and they did it off the cuff with their ability rather than any great coaching input. When the Northern Revolution and Kerry raised the bar in 2002/2003 Johnno s team could not respond. They were still good enough to beat Mayo most years playing their old game ( and lets face it we made it easy for them) but ambitious teams in Croke Park were beyond them. As they will this Mayo team. As will Liam Sammon ( a top coach)'s Galway as well.
  Worringly, for him, Johnno has not put any stamp on this team either. All the established players played better for previous managers - and looked happier too. Players he has put his trust in have not been a success. Think Austin, Andy, Kilcoyne, Conroy, Boyle, Kilcullens, Devenney, Cuniffe. Now some were played out of position and I would attach no blame to the player but their positioning were his judgement and in too many cases it did nt work. Players he overlooked and had to turn back to last year like Aidan H and Nallen saved the team some face.
Some contributers on here insist Johnno was right to jettison Mac cause everything was going through him/ slowing things down, blah blah and blah. Fair enough there may be some merit in that. Until you have a look. Did Johnno introduce a new dynamic style? Er..... no. We got Austin O Malley behind 2 lads inside who were reluctant to make runs because the outfield players had nt the inclination or ability to kick long accurate ball in, and our best attacking player was usually playing corner back.
The Barry Moran as ff looked like a success for Johnno. In fact the only success he s had and he left that behind to accomodate a player in a role that would have been a dream role for the player he so callously dismisssed. It does nt make sense.
  Johnno must now hopes the players can rescue the show( if it was a play in the local hall it would have been boooed off stage and shut down first night) but I think its a fairly forlorn hope. Too many of them remember when playing for Mayo was exciting and fun. Hell, I remember when following Mayo was exciting and fun. The last 2 years have been as bad as I ve seen. And I remember the 70s and Tuam '82. Ouch. Maughan brought in lads like Madden, Connelley and Horan from obscurity and they went to the cusp of greatness. M and M got great response from everybody and the players obviously loved them. Likes of Harte, McGarrity, Brady, Dillon were inspired. Crucially it was obvious M and M enjoyed working with this group of players as well.
Johnno on the other hand does nt even seem to like or trust players. It all seems that its a personal crusade for him and players have to be tolerated rather than embraced. This I believe is the key to the Mac affair. Rather than embrace the player's abilities he focused on negatives and decided it was more expedient to get rid of him. Being a man of considerable ego he probably did not expect the public backlash, believing the public loved him more.
Right now he needs some players to love him and be inspired by his management skills and regain some old form. Or some new lads to step up and rescue his second coming. Maybe likes of Cafferkey, Regan will turn things around. Who knows maybe the last two years were part of a worthy process. I hope so.


With respect Moysider, and maybe I'm doing you a great dis-service but you appear to be passing off your opinion on what players felt about M&M, Maughan and JOM as fact without a shred of evidence. I must say that the Mayo posters on this board are generally, knowledgeable, reasonable and intelligent posters but ye seem to short circuit when it comes to talking about Mayo. Both Maughan and M&M got a load of abuse on here when in charge but to read Moysiders post you'd think they were geniuses, likewise JOM was the saviour for most Mayo people but once he got the job it wasn't long before the knives were out.

The last two AI's ye reached ye got hammered in, yet being piped by Galway and Tyrone last year seems to mean nothing to ye. To me that shows some progress on the previous year, last year JOM lost Howley at center back through injury after it looked like he was making the position his own and he lost T. Mortimer while the Connacht final was still in the melting pot and as a county ye lost Hanley before he even started. Yet JOM brought ye within a kick of a ball of Tyrone, that is a pretty impressive managerial performance in my book. I mean yer even giving out about him for down playing expectations ( a very sessible thing to do, especially since ye don't have the players to win an AI at the moment) yet when Brian Coady does the same he is a genius, keeping things on an even keel, not letting fellas get ahead of themselves. etc.

Unfortunately this is the type of analysis most supporters indulge in, if you're winning nothing is wrong and if your losing nothing is right. I often laugh when I hear pundits praise one coach and team for getting everything right while berating the other coach and team for not doing this, that or the other and this after a game in which only 1 or 2 points separated the two teams. You need to look much deeper and be realistic about you abilities and indeed the time it takes for a coach to change things around.

Anyway despite the pessimism displayed here I think ye are going in the right direction and I expect ye will do quite well this year, however that doesn't mean I think Mayo will win any silverware.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 27, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
Give us a break ZULU
on one hand
QuoteThe last two AI's ye reached ye got hammered in, yet being piped by Galway and Tyrone last year seems to mean nothing to ye.

but then on the other
QuoteYet JOM brought ye within a kick of a ball of Tyrone, that is a pretty impressive managerial performance in my book.

with that kind of of clear headed thinking  im not suprised you are a big JOM fan or do you work as a spin doctor where you make the fact fit your argument or just a WUM
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 27, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
There were quite a few senior players that felt that Mickey Moran and John Morrison were complete jokes, as a management team they were often left out of post team meetings that took place away from the training ground - this was flagged to you before Moysider - the players didn't obviously love them (some of them may well have) but they were just about tolerated by others
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on January 27, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
You must be a moron if you think I'm a WUM or is it just that you think anyone who disagrees with you can't be giving an honest opinion based on the evidence that is available to them? And what is the point of the two quotes you use? In the first one I suggest that pushing Galway and in particular Tyrone very close despite losing Howley and Mortimer for the Tyrone game should warrant some degree of satisfaction amongst Mayo supporters given what has happened in the previous 3 or 4 years. And in the second quote I support that statement by suggesting that the performance against Tyrone was quite impressive give Mayo injuries and Tyrones subsequent achievements. Now by all means disagree with those views if you like but they are far from contradictory, they are in fact saying more or less the same thing.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 28, 2009, 12:16:35 AM
Just a couple of points Zulu in relation to my previous post and some of your criticism ( which I welcome) of it.

First of all I m not representing anybody except myself and I can say with certainty that I never abused either Maughan or MandM. In fact I was dismayed by the treatment of MandM and I still believe we lost very good coaches. Equally I was not impressed with the appointment of Johnno. When most supporters were greeting him with open arms I must say I was very apprehensive for reasons that I ve outlined previously. Events of the last 2 years do not surprise me and I dont expect much improvement any time soon but I d love to be proven wrong.
It is my opinion at the end of the day but I know several of the players who have played in the 90s and 00s for Maughan, MandM and Johnno. Obviously I can t say much more about that. I don t want to compromise their or my own identity. Johnno is also someone I know for some time also and I would have great time for him and what he has achieved in the game. But I think the game has moved on and his style of management is no longer as vital as it used to be and coaching I never felt to be his strong point. And as others have pointed out,Mayo first and foremost need a coach because Mayo teams by their nature lack structure. Thats it, no axe to grind, no hidden agenda.
You have Zulu on occasion pointed that we dont have the players to win an All Ireland. Now I try to avoid all Ireland talk myself and I m used to Mayo football being treated as Cinderella and condescended to for as long as I can remember. Mostly that was justified. At the moment Johnno has a pick on a par with any manager down the years. Maybe better as modern players in the county are more focused and ambitious.Our underage teams are frequently in the later stages of the Championship each year and thats a fair reflection of quality. I doubt many counties have as many players on Sigerson teams as us. Before we get revisionistic about this let me just point out that the 96/97 team would have been laughed out of court in Jan 96 as they struggled against 3rd division opposition. 95 was one of the lowest ebbs in our recent history yet Maughan added a couple of lads and turned a bunch of underachievers into a serious team immediately. He may have come up short in the end but with Maughan we often beat Galway and sometimes beat likes of Tyrone and Kerry. You however seem to think losing to Galway and Tyrone narrowly was a kind of progress 08. The reality was both Galway and Tyrone played within themselves and won comfortably though narrowly. We never looked like getting the equaliser against Tyrone even though we had 3 mins to do so. Most teams would have managed it but we were easily contained. Donegal easily strolled the end game in league final 2007 as well. There s a recurring theme here that does not bode well for the future.  When you consider that Galway beat us in Castlebar but we hardly ever manage to win against them away( it took a Maughan team to manage that) you may begin to understand some of our despair. Its not about AIs. Its about going as far in the Champioship as possible each year. You cant build a team by losing matches in McHale Park in July. Rebuilding is spin - another way of saying I m threading water and we re muck.  Talk of rebuiding cuts little ice when we lose to Galway in McHale park. Especially when you know that there was a team available that probably would have won but management persued whims. This Summer they will do a 3 in 3 years on us unless Ros puts us out of our misery first.
I know there was/is a belief out there that if Johnno got to a final he would get us over the line. He may have added to this himself with that quote of his or he may have been quoted out of context. Some people believe he may even have won 04 and 06. Now I must say I always found the notion laughable because I never saw the evidence of the tactical nous he would have needed to take on that Kerry team. As regards him building a team that might win one in a few years time. He s never built a team before so its a leap of faith. His efforts over the last 2 years have been poor. Again many of us pointed out these flaws before things went pear-shape and not with the benefit of hindsight. And even if he did get to a final would only be a 50/50 at best.
Johnno is also getting credit for dumbing down expectation. His results have done that anyway. But just to make sure he lays the gloom on with a trowel. If you paid any heed to him you d be afraid to go watch Derry on Sunday. Now I  only remember seeing Mayo lose 2 league matches in last 30 years or more in Ballina and I d have seen them all. Both were to the Great Kerry team. If we lose this game we may as well burn the old town as there is no surer league points than Ballina.
  We dont have much sweetness and light in Mayo so I cannot understand how removing peoples enthusiasm for football is a positive thing. The depression hit us 2 years earlier than rest of the country - Sept 06 to be precise. Instead of football being a bit of comfort its become a bit of a forbidden fruit - strictly not to be enjoyed. The weather is cuck, old fellas cant go to the pub anymore because they re easier to catch than young fellas driving Civics. Surely hype is a small price to pay for some success and someone of Johnno s experience could manage that without throwing cold water on expectations even when there is bugger all interest there. Mayo people need their madness for football. We dont have Munster rugby or a top hurling team.
  Any way I see James Horan had some similar views in today s ' western'. Where you from yourself Zulu?  Must say appreciate your interest in Mayo football.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on January 28, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
First off may I commend you on a fine post Moysider and I'm not being coy here but I haven't ever posted the county I'm from in all my time here so if you'll indulge me I'll continue to do so. Suffice to say I have Munster and a major hurling team to support but football's my drug so the rugby doesn't do much for me and our hurling history is similar to Mayo's football one, so that narrows my home county down to one of 3 or 4. 

Anyway, while I may come across as a JOM fan (it clearly does to some) I'm not really, rather I feel most posters are being too harsh. All a coach/manager can do is get the best out of what is available to him and when you are in the position Mayo are in, i.e. the group of 8 - 10 behind Tyrone and Kerry, then success or failure can rest on little things, many of which are outside the managers control. The reality is that Mayo could beat anyone of that  8-10 teams and if they avoided Kerry and Tyrone I think they could win the AI but they could also just as easily get beaten by any of those teams and would almost definitely get beaten by Tyrone or Kerry./ For example if Mayo and Wexford swapped draws last year Jason Ryan wouldn't be the bell of the ball and Mayo could have got to a AI semi final and maybe rattled Tyrone more than Wexford did. If that had happened would JOM be getting this amount of criticism? Unfortunately ye met Tyrone early and the year ended without anything to hang yer hat on.

IMO if Mayo get a decent draw in the qualifiers then ye could do very well this year but Mayo fans have to be patient and whether it is JOM or somebody else they have to get more than a year or two before the knives come out.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 28, 2009, 12:53:50 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 27, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
There were quite a few senior players that felt that Mickey Moran and John Morrison were complete jokes, as a management team they were often left out of post team meetings that took place away from the training ground - this was flagged to you before Moysider - the players didn't obviously love them (some of them may well have) but they were just about tolerated by others

Yeah I would be aware of that Stephenite. But if they were jokers they did nt do too badly and crucially the players played for them. Maybe the management had method in their approach. Were they a joke or just different and maybe they just did nt want to indulge senior players in decision making. Lets face it senior players came up with the 'Warm up into the Hill routine'. Great crack and all s well that ends well but if you were manager would you be happy with that kind of thing? So maybe management were trying to keep players focused on playing.

 That type of thing would never happen under Johnno. So maybe those lads who thought MandM abit of a joke felt motivated at the same time by their enthusiasm to pull off one the great stunts in Croke Park.

 For every player that respects a manager there ll be another that dislikes them. You get the same mixed opinion about doctors, teachers, vets, plumbers or dare I say it politicians. And of course players are never to blame themselves. Its always somebody else s fault. You know the old mantra that managers use. ' There s no I in TEAM'. But every shrewd manager knows that there are 15 I s in any decent team. And another 15 bitching about not being picked. If they did nt have ego s and think they were the best they d never have got to that level. A good manager can get these individuals to play as a team but they wont love each other or him. I ve heard the same divided opinion obout Mayo managers as far back as O Neill, Johnno in U21 days, successive minor managers and various club bosses. I m hearing stuff all the time from local clubs to the county boys but I would nt bother anybody with most of it. It goes with the territory. I prefer to observe how a team behaves to gauge health of a team. Performance naturally, but things like shape, discipline( Kerry obviously in trouble there last year indicating the manager was not really in charge) player confidence, body language etc. The most positive aspect of Mayo recently is discipline but that could be interpeted as lack of enthusiasm/aggression. Under MandM I thought we ticked more boxes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 28, 2009, 01:08:58 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 27, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
There were quite a few senior players that felt that Mickey Moran and John Morrison were complete jokes, as a management team they were often left out of post team meetings that took place away from the training ground - this was flagged to you before Moysider - the players didn't obviously love them (some of them may well have) but they were just about tolerated by others

Watchin the Australian Open Stephenite. I m afraid Dementieva is keepin me up late. Thats one hell of a heathwave in Melbourne. Players hardly able to breathe. There s hardly a pitch playable over here. I would nt be in a hurry back if I were you.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 28, 2009, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 28, 2009, 01:08:58 AM
I would nt be in a hurry back if I were you.

Might be my only chance of a start with the Stephenites this year from what I'm hearing :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Bod Mor on January 28, 2009, 05:57:16 AM
Quote from: Zulu on January 28, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
First off may I commend you on a fine post Moysider and I'm not being coy here but I haven't ever posted the county I'm from in all my time here so if you'll indulge me I'll continue to do so. Suffice to say I have Munster and a major hurling team to support but football's my drug so the rugby doesn't do much for me and our hurling history is similar to Mayo's football one, so that narrows my home county down to one of 3 or 4.


Has to be Limerick!  :P

Quote from: Zulu on January 28, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
IMO if Mayo get a decent draw in the qualifiers then ye could do very well this year but Mayo fans have to be patient and whether it is JOM or somebody else they have to get more than a year or two before the knives come out.

I'll take nothing less than a Connacht title this year or I'll feckin do away with myself!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 28, 2009, 09:27:18 AM
a great post there moysider is repsone to Zulu (who's post i enjoy but not allways agree with  ;) ) in fairness to moyider i would consider him definitely one of the most knowledgeable of the mayo posters on the board here , be it discussing sigo college football with sligonian, mayo minors ( he was talking up the mayo minors this time last year along with R&g Sniper i think telling us about the young players coming through or going through various decades of mayo suffering and Heartbreak moysider imo you really know your stuff. keep her lit   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 28, 2009, 10:33:45 AM
A good debate going on here, just thought i'd add my 2 cents worth.

I should state first that I am a JOM fan, while my first Mayo memories are of Dublin in 85 JOM brought real joy in hyde in 89 and for all of that summer, and was badly shafted by the county board.

From the moment JOM was re-appointed Mayo manager it seems like half of the county has been down on him, a large amount of this has gto do with his choice of timing, coming up to a general election it was felt that he was coming back just to get elected. Maybe true maybe not, JOM had always said he'd like to manage Mayo to an AI and his hand was prob twisted to come back.

Moysider to say that he has never built a team isn't exactly true, maybe its a definitional thing, he won an U-21, when he inherited Mayos team he built them from a semi to an AIF, he had to deal with losing his best player halfway through 89. He went onto Leitrim and took them from almost being good enough to winning a CC. When he took over galway they had just lost in tuam for the first time since '51, yes he had young lads to bring thru but he had to bring them through all the same and make them into a team. He managed to get a good year out of divilly and got joyce, donnellan and savage to play in a team of established "stars", and dont forget that this was galways biggest problem.
I guess my point is that just because the players are there doesn't mean you dont have to build a team.

With regards to MacDanger, theres no good in going over it but JOM prob felt it was worth losing him to set down a marker or maybe it was just a communication problem.

I agree that it is very worrying that we are losing tight games, esp the galway match last year, a game we should have been able to kick on and win it, the tyrone match not so much, yes other teams mite have gotten that last point but knowing now what we know, how many teams would have been there? Not that i think we would have beaten dublin after that.

I think JOM deserves the benefit of the doubt for this year and next year, he has proven his worth in the past.

"If we lose this game we may as well burn the old town as there is no surer league points than Ballina"

A little OTT, a good derry team is coming down and it'll be a tough match, esp seen as the showgrounds will be a swamp and more than likely suit derry better

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on January 28, 2009, 01:38:06 PM
Some great debates going on here indeed and it's nice to see things building up (slowly) before our first league game. Can I also say it's nice to see a neutral point of view on here in the form of Zulu, it's good to see someone without ulterior motives (are you listening RosnaR!) giving his tuppence worth.
I don't agree with alot of what your saying Moysider I would have to say but you do make your points well and at the end of the day we are all entitled to an opinion. I am also a Johnno fan (I may have said that once or twice!) so I would agree with nearly everything Mayo4Sam said above. I won't repeat everything again but just state that I agree with Mayo4sam that Johnno does have a track record of producing teams, that's undeniable. I see what you're saying Moysider about inheriting teams (Mayo '88/89, Leitrim '93/94, Galway '97/98) but he did make them into something, a little credit where it's due.
Where I would agree with you is I wonder has the game moved on and has Johnno moved with it? I would be worried about this as the signs aren't great that we are set up very well tactically. However, the signs are better this year that the problem positions are being looked at properly, Cafferky at FB and B Moran at FF are being given a right go in challenge matches and seem to be doing well. Contrary to some of the comments on here I think Johnno's man-management skills are excellent and his training methods always enjoyable, the supposed lads that are giving out are most likely subs or cast-aways from the squad.
Well it's January and we're already arguing the same points that we left off with in the summer so it's shaping up to be a long year off the pitch, here's hoping it will be a long one on it, I think we can all agree on that!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 28, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 28, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
All a coach/manager can do is get the best out of what is available to him and when you are in the position Mayo are in, i.e. the group of 8 - 10 behind Tyrone and Kerry, then success or failure can rest on little things, many of which are outside the managers control. The reality is that Mayo could beat anyone of that  8-10 teams and if they avoided Kerry and Tyrone I think they could win the AI but they could also just as easily get beaten by any of those teams and would almost definitely get beaten by Tyrone or Kerry./

This is the key. You are right Zulu. All a manager can do is work with what he has but I've a few observations on that.

Moysider mentions the fact that O'Mahony has never built teams. Not quite true, there was work to do in Leitrim and in Galway. I won't comment on Mayo and Liam O'Neill because I wasn't old enough at the time. The difference with Mayo at the minute is there is a lot more rebuilding to be done and JOM isn't blessed with an outstanding team.

People might point out that we have an Under 21 winning team from 2006 to call on and a decent minor team from this year. Well the minors are obviously a question for later on, its too early yet. But on the under 21's I've always been of the opinion that they were an average team very well motivated and very well managed by Holmes and Connelly. Realistically what players from that team are regulars on the senior team? You could only be completely confident with saying Keith Higgins. Of course the lack of a good flow of players makes the importance of players like Heaney, Nallen, O'Neill and, dare I say it, McDonald, even more pronounced.

I think Mayo supporters, in the main, are realistic about the talent available to us Zulu and I'd be fairly scouring the county looking for someone who thinks we'll win the All-Ireland. That is not the issue with Mayo fans and I don't think anyone is mad or frustrated with JOM because he hasn't won an All-Ireland with us. Nothing could be further from the truth.

But, going back to your point, about only being able to work with what he has, this is the key.
A lot of people in Mayo are not impressed with how JOM has used the players available to him. A good few of us highlighted how dangerous it was to play Shrule's Kieran Conroy at full-back last year for the Galway game (Connacht final). He never played full-back for club or county prior to 08 and JOM threw him on in a league game against Laois when Billy Joe got injured. He decided to stick with him and also place Colm Boyle, a light but fast attacking wing-back, in corner-back, another player with practically no experience in that position. Galway scored two first half goals as our defence was torn wide apart. Boyle and Conroy were both taken off in the first half. JOM was praised for acting decisively. That sickened my hole. So many could forsee the problems but JOM ploughed on. That we only lost by a point to Galway after such a disasterous start shows how capable we were of winning that game IF JOM had worked well with the players he had. He didn't and he alone must stand culpaple for that. That is one massive issue Mayo supporters have.

Then to the Tyrone game. We didn't get crucified on the line that day and Peadar Gardiner was finally back playing in his best position of wing-back where he did wonderfully well on Brian Dooher. To an neutral observer, the fact that we kept the eventual All-Ireland winners to one point reflects well on Mayo and JOM.  But Tyrone were cat that day. So cat in fact that I lumped on Dublin to beat them. They turned the corner in the Dublin game but, when they played us, they were still the team that had lost to Down in the Ulster championship. We had that game for the taking in the final ten minutes. But our players didn't have the belief. Their fault or the managers? I really don't know, people will have differeing opinions on this. But what I will say is while JOM is not known as a tactical genuis, he is known for an ability to organise teams for games and for instilling belief. He spoke of how he would like to have taken the Mayo team after their 06 All-Ireland semi win over Dublin. In that Tyrone game Mayo showed even less belief than in the 06 final. Kerry were never there for the taking, Tyrone were but we couldn't do it. For me that doesn't reflect superbly on management.

It means that the only teams beaten in championship by JOM's Mayo are Sligo and Cavan. Not good.

You say Mayo are one of the teams below Kerry and Tyrone, a group of 8-10 teams who are all capable of beating each other. Possibly. Factors outside our control might play a part but the feeling here is that factors in JOM's control have been the reason for losing games. You can only play with the players you have. JOM hasn't imo.

What would be a good year for Mayo? Getting to a Connacht final (believe me when I say it that Roscommon, if they get over Leitrim, will give us a serious run for our money and I won't rule out losing that) and playing Galway and if we lose, so be it. But let defeat come with so little what ifs that have plagued us. What I mean is let us show belief and character, let us have the best XV on the field and if that is not good enough, well que sera sera.
After that we're in the qualifiers. I'd like to see us play a team among these eight  to ten teams at the same level of us and beat them. An Armagh, a Monaghan, even Laois. Then we're in a quarter-final with a good result under our belt (either as Connacht champions or after beating someone half decent in the qualifiers). Perhaps that will instill confidence and we might do well in the quarter-final, perhaps even win it if we avoid Kerry and, to a lesser extent, Tyrone.

But its not entirely impossible that we have a domesday scenario of being beaten by the Rossies and then losing to the likes of Limerick or Offaly in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on January 28, 2009, 03:19:18 PM
QuoteIt means that the only teams beaten in championship by JOM's Mayo are Sligo (twice) and Cavan. Not good.

It's worse than that Red and Green, it's only Sligo once in 08, sure Galway beat us in the pre-lim round in 07.
Two championship wins in two years
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 28, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
I do think Mayo will have a serious job getting over Ros this summer, assuming they beat leitrim. The seem to be rejuvenated and under O'Donnell i think they'll have a real shot at connaught. For my money it'll be the toughest connaught to win in a long time
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 28, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: westmayo on January 28, 2009, 03:19:18 PM
QuoteIt means that the only teams beaten in championship by JOM's Mayo are Sligo (twice) and Cavan. Not good.

It's worse than that Red and Green, it's only Sligo once in 08, sure Galway beat us in the pre-lim round in 07.
Two championship wins in two years

Good spot ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 28, 2009, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 28, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
I do think Mayo will have a serious job getting over Ros this summer, assuming they beat leitrim. The seem to be rejuvenated and under O'Donnell i think they'll have a real shot at connaught. For my money it'll be the toughest connaught to win in a long time

Totally agree M4S. Where is the game due to be played? If it's in the Hyde I'd be travelling more in hope than expectation. I don't think it is though. As for the bold - definitely for Mayo it's the toughest in a long time anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 28, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
Pretty sure Mayo are at home to the winners of Leitrim v the Rossies. The only championship game that'll be in the new McHale Park this summer (unless qualifiers of course).

Will be a very tough Connacht championship - was it 2001 that Mayo, Galway, Sligo and Roscommon were the four league semi-finalists? That was amazing when ya think about it. Also the last year Roscommon won ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: spectator on January 28, 2009, 08:47:58 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 28, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
Will be a very tough Connacht championship - was it 2001 that Mayo, Galway, Sligo and Roscommon were the four league semi-finalists?

Well remembered - ye bet us with a flurry of late scores in the semi played in Sligo, after we'd somewhat wasted our first half dominance. Disappointed to lose that day, but fair play as ye made it count in the final.

http://www.sligochampion.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mayo146s-staying-power-sees-them-through-to-final-950388.html

Ros should be competitive this year, but we're coming from such a low base we won't have the quality to match yourselves or Galway for seventy minutes of championship football. It's a long road back for Ros to reach Mayo \ Galway standards and it won't be done in year one, that's for sure.

If Johnno can nail down some of the central positions during the league, ye'll be well set up for giving it a good go this year, imo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 28, 2009, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 28, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
I do think Mayo will have a serious job getting over Ros this summer, assuming they beat leitrim. The seem to be rejuvenated and under O'Donnell i think they'll have a real shot at connaught. For my money it'll be the toughest connaught to win in a long time
Yep the word is good from the Rossie camp, amazing what a change of management can bring. Still will need to step it up but my initial thought that Leitrim would beat them isn't that way now, even in fortress Carrick. They will pose problems for Mayo then. We might get ourselves back on track this Spring, but it will be a big ask to beat Galway.

Re the 2001 league, and the four Connacht semi-finalists, it must be said that Foot and Mouth brought it about, as Tyrone were ruled out when going well. What's strange is, those four teams were all down in Division Three fives years earlier, and Leitrim towered above all of us in the dizzy heights of Division Two. Changed times all round.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on January 28, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
Quotebut on the under 21's I've always been of the opinion that they were an average team very well motivated and very well managed by Holmes and Connelly.
is tht not the point the senior team do not look well motivated and very well managed. there is a massive selection of intercounty standard players from several goo U21 and minor teams over the last decade and more talented individuals from bad teams. the mangers job is to put his head on the block and pick the best 15 . he does not have the Luxury like us of picking a different team every time we log on.
But this is what he should live or die by. he has made a balls so far and been rewarded with an extension go figure .

this recession is a real nostalgia trip if were getting worried about roscommon again
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 28, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 28, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
Quotebut on the under 21's I've always been of the opinion that they were an average team very well motivated and very well managed by Holmes and Connelly.
is tht not the point the senior team do not look well motivated and very well managed. there is a massive selection of intercounty standard players from several goo U21 and minor teams over the last decade and more talented individuals from bad teams. the mangers job is to put his head on the block and pick the best 15 . he does not have the Luxury like us of picking a different team every time we log on.
But this is what he should live or die by. he has made a balls so far and been rewarded with an extension go figure .

this recession is a real nostalgia trip if were getting worried about roscommon again


Yes they should be well motivated and well managed, I agree, and there does seem to be a shortfall in this regard - I've said that several times. Can't say there's a massive selection of players of inter-county standard though Ros. I could name maybe ten players who aren't in or around the panel now. Of those I can only think of one who would be on the starting team in my opinion. We don't have a wealth of talent, that's the reality I think. Are we getting the best of the talent we have? I don't think so but I'm prepared to be patient for this season
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 29, 2009, 01:46:27 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 28, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
I do think Mayo will have a serious job getting over Ros this summer, assuming they beat leitrim. The seem to be rejuvenated and under O'Donnell i think they'll have a real shot at connaught. For my money it'll be the toughest connaught to win in a long time

Glad somebody posted this. I made a resolution earlier today that there would be no more realism from me and I would enjoy the stuff on the pitch, which is, at the end of the day the stuff that counts.
  Then I read this and I feel a knot in my stomach and I m reminded of the real fear from the late 70s when Roscommon bitch -slapped us around the place - even in McHale Park. There was no consolation in those beatings (not defeats).
  Not quite sure how to take this on board. Mayo are at home v Ros/Leitrim, so why the jitters? We ve a manager in place for 2 years rebuilding, so why the jitters? Ros only have a rookie senior manager.

  But people are getting jittery and probably rightly so. I dont get jittery anymore. Eventually you just use it all up and a sort of numbness or acceptance sets in. Either that or you stroke/ forget about it.

  Here s a few stats that I believe show that the real rivalry in Connacht is between  Ros and Mayo. It used to be Mayo and Galway in the first half of the last Century but Galway have been in a different zone since mid 1950s.

Since 1951( our last All Ireland) Galway have won 28 Connacht Championships and 6 All Irelands
Since 1951 ( our last All Ireland) Mayo have won 14 Connacht Championships and 0 All Irelands.
Since 1951 ( our last All Ireland) Roscommon have one 12 Connacht Championships and 0 All Irelands.

Looking at those stats it looks like Mayo and Ros are like 2 bald lads fighting over a comb. Stats may not tell the full story but they reveal a lot and people can draw their own conclusions. Bearing in mind Galway are half hurling( less football clubs than Mayo and only a fraction of Dublin or Kerry) and the City was mostly disinterested. Mayo ( the biggest football county in the province) have underachieved spectacularly. Why? One thing i convinced of is that much of Galway s dominance was down to Mayo s ineptitude. Galway won 3 AI s in a row 64-66 and the popular story was that Mayo were second best in country at the time. We had the talent to push them to the limit but they prevailed. When we did eventually beat them a talented Mayo side could go no further. Familiar?

So this Roscommon game has huge significance. Did nt they ever? A defeat to Galway can be explained away. They beat us in Castlebar 50% of the time anyway down the years and hardly ever lose to us at home - because basically we re soft and an easy touch for them. But how would we spin a defeat to a green Ros team in McHale Park 2009?

  I m sure management last year were aware with 2 home games that a Connacht win was a requirement. Now we have to win in Salthill this year if we  get to the final. If we lose either of those 2 matches(initially Ros/Leitrim at home)  it will have been a bleak 3 years and more importantly than stats the younger players will be badly damaged by it all.  Look at the stats again. We can talk all we want on here about progress and rebuilding but players see it differently. They expect to win and to lose to same opposition 3 years in a row .........I m sure some people will be able to explain it all away - not enough quality players etc, etc. Fair enough but it s becoming a bit lame if you look at it long term.

I ve seen a lot of Mayo/ Galway Championship matches and I ve drawn a few conclusions. Biased I accept but it was some consolation that Lar was around the same ballpark as well in a post some time ago..
  * Takes a very good Mayo team to beat an ordinary Galway team.
  * If they re even enough Galway win - 98 and take your pick from several other years, including last year.
  * Even if Mayo dominate possession like 95 Galway can win comfortably.
  * When Mayo are vastly superior like 89 we can only draw in Tuam but win comfortably in Castlebar.
  * When Galway are much better they fillet us. Tuam 82. Sadly the following week the Western People left the team photo space  blank from shame.  That was nt particularly nice.

I think we should take into consideration the history of the whole thing before we try to predict the summer. The theme has been pretty consistent and it does nt stack up too nicely for us at all.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 29, 2009, 07:54:58 AM
Great post Moysider. You could be a journalist, easily.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 29, 2009, 09:38:13 AM
Moysider you're depressing me something fierce here.

To talk about stats since '51 take in the 20 worst years of mayo football.
If you take the last 20 ur talking about the one of the 3 best periods for mayo football, 8 connacht titles and a parity with galway, they beat us in galway we beat them in castlebar, you cant let last years final taint all that.
And you've left out the league final of '01 and more importantly the 2004 final when we ripped them a new one after they were so far ahead

And talking about ros as having a rookie manager is leaving out important points, ros football is on an upturn, theres a great feeling of something coming from them, they have a man in that won an AI with the minors and they have a few decent minors coming thru along with the likes of henegan there already

Moysider on the flip side its easy to get depressed about mayo football, we have more reason than most to be depressed. There are 2 kind of people in mayo, one kind is constantly saying how shite we are, this lad is a bollix, that lad isn't good enough and the other type, eternally optimistic, every spring starts with "Well i think we could win it this year".
Maybe its time to have a middle of the road supporter?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 29, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Moysider I don't see the point in looking as far back as you have with regard to the 60's and the 70's. Immaterial at the moment in my opinion. We've enough to be getting concerned about now without reflecting on previous depressions, which aren't really connected with the current day.

I do take you point about beating Galway though - they can beat us playing middling, we have to play well to beat them. At least generally.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 29, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
"Tradition - do ye understand it now?"

Kevin Heffernan to Robbie Kelleher.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 29, 2009, 10:55:35 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 29, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
"Tradition - do ye understand it now?"

Kevin Heffernan to Robbie Kelleher.


I ll admit lads that my last post was no barrel of laughs but I m sticking to my guns. I think we have underachieved bigtime since 1999 in the province after decent 80s and 90s. 2 Connachts in this decade is a poor return considering that Galway stagnated after 2001 while the last few years have seen Roscommon at possibly their worst ever ( certainly the worst I ve ever seen them) At least in the 70s Galway were good enough to lose a few All Ireland finals while Ros produced one of the provinces finest teams.
 Of course our underachievements in the Connacht Championship would not be such a big deal if we could handle ourselves in the qualifiers but we ve been mostly fairly dismal and exit at the hands of the first serious team we encounter. Then there has been some less than enthusiastic comments from players about the qualifiers as well. There has always been a whiff of martyrdom about us since 2001 in the qualifiers. Gerry Lohans late goal seems to have done an awful lot of damage to our psyche regarding the back door. This is in marked contrast to the runs of 04 and 06 when we progressed as Connacht Champions. Some people wish that the 04 and 06 runs did nt last quite as long as they did but thats academic at this stage. Perhaps if we had won a couple more Connachts around 04/06 we would have been further along the road and more streetwise in those finals.
 Anyway lookin forward to this Derry game back in the local. Thought these League games in the park were gone for ever and this is to be cherished. It might be a bit early for Joseph s icecream van though .  :( We ve hardly lost here ever while Castlebar is a very dry venue with a few thousand souls. I cant remember Ballina or Knockmore lose here either in provincal Club championship. Lookin forward to seeing Cafferkey start. I think McLoughlin should too as its a local venue for him as well. A good start would serve them well.
 The U21 will start soon as well. Galway first round ( away?) early March in Prelim round with winners playing Ros. If its us playing Ros it will be home venue. I d say play it in Ballina but then again I would. Give them a bit of Kiltoom back - see how they like it. Besides we owe them one for an U21 defeat here in late 70s (must stop mentioning the 70s). Tony Mac and Micheál Finneran playing that day and Jigger O Conner maybe? Gerry Fitzmaurice? Must ask the lads on Sheepstealers about it sometime - cheer them up. Sligo strong this year as well and will fancy being in final at least. But we look like being as strong as in recent years. The Galway game is winnable and with home advantage v Ros .........
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 29, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
There's no doubt that in 2002, 2003, 2005 and, perhaps, last year, we should have won the games we exited from Connacht in - all against Galway. Which reinforces what you were saying Moysider about having to be at our best to beat Galway and them only needing to be middling to beat us.
I won't even go into 2001, like 1996 that's fairly bitter to taste even now.

If you asked a typical non Connacht observer which county in the province has been most successful in the noughties, they would probably say Mayo on account of our appearances in two All-Ireland finals in 04 and 06. While Galway have failed to hit the same heights (and lows) on national level as us, they've won 5 Connacht titles to our 2. And they'd be the shorter price for making it 6-2 than us making it 5-3.

I think a lot of this comes down to our opinion of Galway. We don't hate them for some bizarre reason. They should be our mortal enemies but most Mayo people would have been delighted to see them win in 1998 (with obvious regrets about Mayo having come so close but fall short the two years previous). I certainly was glad for them. They don't seem to have any fondness for Mayo, if anything they look down on us. If there's a team we hate its Roscommon. Why is that, all joking aside?

Is it perhaps because a lot of us would have and still do follow the Galway hurlers because they'd be the team we watch at a national level? As a result its hard to engender hatred of them. I've no doubt around the border areas, Mayo lads can't stand losing to Galway - Conor and Trevor Mortimer for instance. But it ain't the same all around Mayo.
David Brady said before last year's Connacht final that for those seventy minutes everyone in Mayo would hate every single man, woman and child in Galway. It was a great soundbite but was it true? I fear not.
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Post by: rosnarun on January 29, 2009, 11:56:31 PM
to be honest I think i despise leitrim more than Ros and they are an uppity shower of wankers . but when we were trying to be happy for 'muck eaters' when they won their connaught thry were such arrogant bastards  it was great to see them getting hammered in the semi's. (though i think west meath retain the tiltle of having the worst ballix's of fans in the country)
with both sides of the family from galway i'd find hate to be too mean to them.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 30, 2009, 12:08:23 AM
I'll take your word for it on the Laytrums. Cork would be a personal hate of my own. But we'll be wating I'd say for someone to say they hate Galway
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Post by: moysider on January 30, 2009, 12:40:21 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 29, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
There's no doubt that in 2002, 2003, 2005 and, perhaps, last year, we should have won the games we exited from Connacht in - all against Galway. Which reinforces what you were saying Moysider about having to be at our best to beat Galway and them only needing to be middling to beat us.
I won't even go into 2001, like 1996 that's fairly bitter to taste even now.

If you asked a typical non Connacht observer which county in the province has been most successful in the noughties, they would probably say Mayo on account of our appearances in two All-Ireland finals in 04 and 06. While Galway have failed to hit the same heights (and lows) on national level as us, they've won 5 Connacht titles to our 2. And they'd be the shorter price for making it 6-2 than us making it 5-3.

I think a lot of this comes down to our opinion of Galway. We don't hate them for some bizarre reason. They should be our mortal enemies but most Mayo people would have been delighted to see them win in 1998 (with obvious regrets about Mayo having come so close but fall short the two years previous). I certainly was glad for them. They don't seem to have any fondness for Mayo, if anything they look down on us. If there's a team we hate its Roscommon. Why is that, all joking aside?

Is it perhaps because a lot of us would have and still do follow the Galway hurlers because they'd be the team we watch at a national level? As a result its hard to engender hatred of them. I've no doubt around the border areas, Mayo lads can't stand losing to Galway - Conor and Trevor Mortimer for instance. But it ain't the same all around Mayo.
David Brady said before last year's Connacht final that for those seventy minutes everyone in Mayo would hate every single man, woman and child in Galway. It was a great soundbite but was it true? I fear not.

Christ Sniper I could have written that post myself. I have never fathomed the Mayo/Galway relationship. While most Galway people have a certain grá for Mayo football they dont take us that seriously. Good individuals, poor teams but mostly beatable.Sawdoctor territory i suppose. Willie Joe played his best games for Mayo on teams that lost in a whimper to average Galway sides.

They dont fear us like we fear the Joyces, Meehans, Donnellans, Fallons.  Like ourselves they reserve their hatred for Roscommon. Rightly or wrongly Ros has acquired a reputation for the darker arts down the years and it has stuck.

   I was in Croke Pk. When Galway won 98 and was delighted. Something I now regret. I went to College there and some of my ...er... old friends were delighted with results of 04/06 AIs. I ve brothers live in Galway and a nephew who plays underage with the county and the common view even before the games was that Galway folk did not want to see Mayo have similar success to them. Human nature I ,suppose.

 This may well open a can of worms but does anybody recall a Galway footballer who went to boarding school in Mayo when there was still boarding schools in Mayo? Thought not. On the other hand some of the best Mayo players streamed across the boarder to Jarlaths in particular. Maybe it made our relationship with Galway players too cosy. Almost like the ward/fosterage system of medieval times. I think Galway benefited more than we did from this. Many of these Mayo boarders underachieved after but they helped make Jar very successful and Galway lads learned how to win. I believe mayo football would have been better served if they went to one of the more serious teams in their own county. I think I should put my head down now. By the way Sniper I added a paragraph to my last post. Believe it or not I still enjoy football and this is a big week for me.


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Post by: moysider on January 30, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 29, 2009, 11:56:31 PM
to be honest I think i despise leitrim more than Ros and they are an uppity shower of w**kers . but when we were trying to be happy for 'muck eaters' when they won their connaught thry were such arrogant b**tards  it was great to see them getting hammered in the semi's. (though i think west meath retain the tiltle of having the worst ballix's of fans in the country)
with both sides of the family from galway i'd find hate to be too mean to them.

F*** Ros you have it rough. You mean both parents from Galway?
The most fans that ever annoyed me( apart from a Ros fan in 89. The older bro is a bit testy at matches - I dont know where he s comin from. He pointed out the ambulance under the stand and declared his intentions to yer man ) were Fermanagh. These rigs were singing 'there ll be no Sam Maguire in Mayo' on north Circular before the game. What was that about? We d played them maybe 5 times ever. And I dont approve of singing as a rule unless I choose to.
 I cant agree entirely about Leitrim followers but I ve come across a few who think we re a joke. Because of their size leitrim can not be criticised, and that s the way it should be. On the other hand if we showed their resolve at times we d probably be in a better place. You can understand their frustration as they often follow us if we re provincal winners. I ve heard it from them many s the time and I can see where they re coming from.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Was just thinking about how underachieving we are at colleges football, i was on a muredachs team that played in a C Connacht final, pathetic for one of the biggest schools in mayo with a lot of county minors. I think the problem there was that we couldn;t fcukin stand eachother, I remember 2 of the ballina lads, one a future intercounty footballer, telling me that they hoped we (K'more) got hammered in the AIF in '97 the week before the match. Left a sour taste.

I think we despise our own neighbours, esp in North Mayo more than we do Galway, we'd sooner see our team beat Cross/Ballina/K'more than see Mayo beat Galway.

As for who we hate, in Connacht by far and away the Rossies, they are in the main a hateful show of c**ts. Slightly off the point a typical example. Met a few rossie lads when travelling, it was the day liverpool played porto in the CL and arsenal were playing real madrid, so the pool match was deferred. End of arsenal match, i turn my back to the telly so as not to see the result of the pool match tellin those in my company i didn;t want to hear the result, ur man, Knob features we'll call him, comes round to me shouting in my face that we're out, and then goes "well i didn't tell you the result". Summed up Rossies for me

Outside of mayo i have a real hatred for cork, '89 was real heartbreak, neptune always seemed to be there to beat longnecks in the basketball and above all the 2 d**ks who sat beside me in '93 and '99, really hateful f**kers

As for leitrim, you;d have to wonder how gracious we'd be in victory if we managed an AIF, maybe not as good as we'd like to think, its very easy be the gracious loser when ur used to it
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Post by: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2009, 10:11:46 AM
Would you really despise Cross Mayo4Sam ;) To tell you the truth i would never despie either Knockmore or Ballina when we would be playing either you would definately be up for the game but once it was over thats was that. I would have made a good few friends from both sides through the football  and i think there would be a bigger rivaly between Ballina And Knockmore as a lot of the lads would have gone to school together. When i was young lad ballina and Knockmore definately didn't fear Cross as they used to Kick or asses on quite a regular basis. It was only when we got a special group of players at underage the Likes of Tom Nallen, Jimmy, Ciaran MC, Hoggy ,Moff, Whitty, Mulligan,Joe Keane  that the big boys started to worrk about us
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Post by: MacDanger on January 30, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
QuoteI think we despise our own neighbours, esp in North Mayo more than we do Galway, we'd sooner see our team beat Cross/Ballina/K'more than see Mayo beat Galway.

I was just saying something similar the other night. We always complain about Mayo players not being physical enough, too easily bundled off the ball, soft etc but you can go to a club game and see the very same county players hammering lumps out of each other.

Just reading some of the comments earlier, I thought it was interesting that Maughan was considered by some to have "brought on" new players like Horan/Nallen whereas Joyce and Donnellan were apparently ready-made for JOM to slot into the team!

The fact of the matter is that any manager will play players who look like they are good enough but whether they actually make the grade or not is largely up to themselves. Kilcoyne, AOM and  Devenney are good examples, anybody here would have expected them to make a big impact yet under two management teams, none have really made the grade when it counts.

Any word on the starting team yet?

I'd go for Mayo by two points simply based on home advantage although the rte.ie game preview may have already put the hex on us.....

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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 30, 2009, 11:13:35 AM
Mayo team picked, I've it posted on the main Mayo Derry thread
Clarke, O'Malley Cafferkey Vaughan; Gardiner Cunniffe Kelly; McGarrity, Parsons; Padden Trevor Mortimer Dillon; Andy Moran, Barry Moran, Sweeney
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Post by: stephenite on January 30, 2009, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Was just thinking about how underachieving we are at colleges football, i was on a muredachs team that played in a C Connacht final, pathetic for one of the biggest schools in mayo with a lot of county minors. I think the problem there was that we couldn;t fcukin stand eachother, I remember 2 of the ballina lads, one a future intercounty footballer, telling me that they hoped we (K'more) got hammered in the AIF in '97 the week before the match. Left a sour taste.

Fair points but I'd agree with Deel that the animosity between K'more and Ballina would be stronger than with Crossmolina. Of the two, each club would have their own protaganists but suffice to say neither would be entirely blameless, the reaction of some of the Knockmore crowd to Liam McHales sending off in the AIF replay on '96 and him suspended for the county final the following week, not to mention half of Knockmore trying to crowd into Timmy's that night and Tim himself getting a few slaps from former Knocmore team mates would have left a sour taste also
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Post by: ludermor on January 30, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
And to go to a lower level again, if you ever talk to an achill man, winning the Scanlan cup (between different areas of achill) is more important than playing/winning for achill. Them games are the stuff of legend the amount of slating that goes on.
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Post by: stephenite on January 30, 2009, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: ludermor on January 30, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
And to go to a lower level again, if you ever talk to an achill man, winning the Scanlan cup (between different areas of achill) is more important than playing/winning for achill. Them games are the stuff of legend the amount of slating that goes on.

There is an excellent piece about the Scanlan Cup in Tom Humphries book, Green Fields. Are they still played?
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2009, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 30, 2009, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Was just thinking about how underachieving we are at colleges football, i was on a muredachs team that played in a C Connacht final, pathetic for one of the biggest schools in mayo with a lot of county minors. I think the problem there was that we couldn;t fcukin stand eachother, I remember 2 of the ballina lads, one a future intercounty footballer, telling me that they hoped we (K'more) got hammered in the AIF in '97 the week before the match. Left a sour taste.

Fair points but I'd agree with Deel that the animosity between K'more and Ballina would be stronger than with Crossmolina. Of the two, each club would have their own protaganists but suffice to say neither would be entirely blameless, the reaction of some of the Knockmore crowd to Liam McHales sending off in the AIF replay on '96 and him suspended for the county final the following week, not to mention half of Knockmore trying to crowd into Timmy's that night and Tim himself getting a few slaps from former Knocmore team mates would have left a sour taste also

I think the Liam McHale thing was more of an after thought, after mayo had lost the final and K'more people realised he'd be out for the county final, well they weren't too upset. I dont think there was any k'more man cheering when mchale was sent off
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 30, 2009, 11:46:49 AM
Great piece on Achill GAA in last Sunday's Independent, interviewing Pakie and Hughie McGinty on how the club survives. The answer is largely because of the two boys

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tradition-and-toil-keep-the-flame-alive-1614024.html
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Post by: moysider on January 30, 2009, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on January 30, 2009, 10:50:53 AM




Just reading some of the comments earlier, I thought it was interesting that Maughan was considered by some to have "brought on" new players like Horan/Nallen whereas Joyce and Donnellan were apparently ready-made for JOM to slot into the team!


That s because that s the way it was. The Galway lads were earmarked for greatness from childhood. Outstanding talents at u16 minor and Colleges. Joyce, Donnellan, Meehans, Divilly and Savage all played in the 1994 Colleges a final. Donnellan was described as the best minor in the country by the late Jack Mahon in 1995. You will no doubt remember his display in Tuam that year when he was instrumental in Galway pulling back a big lead v Mayo in minor final. These boys had pedigree. Everybody knew well the were coming through. I remember the Galway fans being super confident berore the 98 Connacht final.
Horan never played underage for Mayo and was brought in from obscurity. Nallen had already established himself before Maughan arrived but only arrived on county scene last U21 year. Connelly came straight in as Captain without having ever really featured before 05/06.
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Post by: MacDanger on January 30, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
QuoteDonnellan was described as the best minor in the country by the late Jack Mahon in 1995

A title which always guarantees success!!

You seem to be lauding JM for bringing in new players which brought us to losing AIFs in 96/97 yet lambasting JOM for being little more than a spectator when Galway won the '98 and '01 finals.
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Post by: moysider on January 30, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on January 30, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
QuoteDonnellan was described as the best minor in the country by the late Jack Mahon in 1995

A title which always guarantees success!!

You seem to be lauding JM for bringing in new players which brought us to losing AIFs in 96/97 yet lambasting JOM for being little more than a spectator when Galway won the '98 and '01 finals.

Donnellan going on to play senior was as close to a guarantee as you can get in a sport where you get hit all the time. It was obvious from his mid- teens as it was with Michael Meehan and a few others down the years.

I d give Johnno more credit than being a mere spectator. I mean there is no guarantee they d have won in 98 if Val daly was still in charge but Johnno did get a great boost of young talent that were already a success in the game having won all Ireland at Colleges and had the swagger of confident players.
Seán Óg DePaor gives a comphrehensive account of Johnno s input in his excellemt book Lá an Phaoraigh. Thats good enough for me.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2009, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
I think we despise our own neighbours, esp in North Mayo more than we do Galway, we'd sooner see our team beat Cross/Ballina/K'more than see Mayo beat Galway.

I'd more or less agree with that. Though when the Stephenites got to the AIF and Cross, I was full behind them. Then again, I'm not really a spiteful person. In North Mayo though I think everyone is happy when Ballina are beaten though. Although it was great to win the County league title as a Knockmore fan in December 2003 after the replays and the fight against Crossmolina. ;D And after we beat them behind in Crossmolina to knock them out of the championship after they were the AI winners!
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 30, 2009, 11:29:31 PM
It's been mentioned before here but the most intense game I ever saw involving a good group of Mayo inter-county players was the 2006 county semi-final between Crossmolina and Ballina. It was ferocious, none of the county lads held back and there was a edge to the game to the point of being nasty. It was only two weeks after Mayo had captulated to Kerry in that year's final. The passion we needed in Croke Park, we got in a club game in McHale Park.
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Post by: moysider on January 31, 2009, 01:01:11 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 30, 2009, 11:29:31 PM
It's been mentioned before here but the most intense game I ever saw involving a good group of Mayo inter-county players was the 2006 county semi-final between Crossmolina and Ballina. It was ferocious, none of the county lads held back and there was a edge to the game to the point of being nasty. It was only two weeks after Mayo had captulated to Kerry in that year's final. The passion we needed in Croke Park, we got in a club game in McHale Park.

There was obviously a lot of frustration from what had happened v Kerry. There may have been some blame dished out in the aftermath of that game too among players but lets face it the whole county was seething with anger- lets call a spade a spade- and maybe this was a just a release of pressure.

The stuff on the pitch was verging on the most viscious I ve ever witnessed. However the abuse Ronan McGarrity got from a small section of the crowd sickened me. I went very close to slapping somebody that day. I still regret not reporting the **** to his employers. Or belting him. Makes his living in Ballina and butter would nt melt in his mouth when he s turning a pound. He s a disgrace.
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Post by: moysider on January 31, 2009, 01:42:51 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2009, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 30, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
I think we despise our own neighbours, esp in North Mayo more than we do Galway, we'd sooner see our team beat Cross/Ballina/K'more than see Mayo beat Galway.

I'd more or less agree with that. Though when the Stephenites got to the AIF and Cross, I was full behind them. Then again, I'm not really a spiteful person. In North Mayo though I think everyone is happy when Ballina are beaten though. Although it was great to win the County league title as a Knockmore fan in December 2003 after the replays and the fight against Crossmolina. ;D And after we beat them behind in Crossmolina to knock them out of the championship after they were the AI winners!

As a Ballina man Deelin I cannot understand how the rest of the North are happy when Ballina are beaten. I ve had some great days going to Knockmore and Cross games when they were Mayo Champions. I would always support them and when they lost it would piss me off. Great respect for them. And why not? A lot of the best football I ve ever enjoyed playing or watching involved the big3. The thing that has made those 3 clubs special last several years is that there was intensity as well as high quality. As recenty as 4 or 5 years ago the pick of those 3 clubs would have beaten 80% of counties. Might piss some posters off but I would not have had anywhere near the same interest in Castlebar, Charlestown or Ballaghadereen when County Champs.

2 of these clubs won their All Ireland and both probably should/could have won more. Knockmore should have won theirs as well and it s a shame because Knockmore were probably more responsible than anything else for raising the bar in Mayo as regards bringing foofball to a new level,ie.fitness, gameplan, hardness, intensity. I ve always felt that Knockmore should have played their 1994? club semi v Éire ÓG back The Park cause they would have won there and may have won the final. The preparation of the Knockmore pitch was probably a distraction but at the same time its hard to believe still how they lost at home. They must have taken their eye off the ball. There s no other explanation for it. Its still shocking. When they played in Ballina in following years they won comfortably every time.

Sunday will see crowds from North Mayo head into the Capital. It may well be one of the last opportunities to do so. I d say whether people are from North Mayo or from the Territories it will be a more enjoyable experience than Castlebar.

Hint. Watch the game from the dressing-room side - even if it means you get wet.
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Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 31, 2009, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 29, 2009, 10:55:35 PM

 Anyway lookin forward to this Derry game back in the local. Thought these League games in the park were gone for ever and this is to be cherished. It might be a bit early for Joseph s icecream van though .  :(


You've been pucking a mightly sliothar here over the past few days Moysider and long may you prosper but hell damn and blast it that's way out of order. It's NEVER too early for Joseph's ice cream.  :P
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

For me the best club match i ever saw was the Cross K'more semi final in Ballina in '97, we had beaten them handy the year before but they were really up for it and we edged them out by a point

I think in terms of training in North Mayo it can be traced directly back to Liam O'Neill, his arrival in K'more led to us going senior and winning mayo's 1st connacht title.

As for losing in '93 i would put it down to losing dempsey, there was no way we could have backed down and moved to ballina. It was used to great effect in '97, Padraig Brogan made a speech in the dressingroom that had lads in tears and they were ready to walk thru the wall.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on January 31, 2009, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

For me the best club match i ever saw was the Cross K'more semi final in Ballina in '97, we had beaten them handy the year before but they were really up for it and we edged them out by a point


Was that the match where Mc and o'neill scored about 9 points each that was some match allright except fot the result :D the following year we had to go and play ye in knockmore don't think we had ever WON a championship match there Gerard o ' Malley scored a fantastic goal and we managed to beat ye that day the tension in the dressing rooms before any of those matches was unreal especially in Knockmore
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Post by: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

Yes, that's what I mean. Even the underage teams, everyone wants to beat Ballina.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 31, 2009, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

Yes, that's what I mean. Even the underage teams, everyone wants to beat Ballina.

Its the same with Mitchels in west Mayo
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Post by: moysider on January 31, 2009, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

Yes, that's what I mean. Even the underage teams, everyone wants to beat Ballina.

Hmmmm. We re the Dubs of Mayo football.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 12:44:53 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 31, 2009, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

Yes, that's what I mean. Even the underage teams, everyone wants to beat Ballina.

Hmmmm. We re the Dubs of Mayo football.

Jeez no, the Dubs are Barack O'B compared to ye shower
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Post by: MacDanger on February 02, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 31, 2009, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 31, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
I think what Farrendeelin meant was that people were generally happy when Ballina were bet within mayo and not outside.

For me the best club match i ever saw was the Cross K'more semi final in Ballina in '97, we had beaten them handy the year before but they were really up for it and we edged them out by a point


Was that the match where Mc and o'neill scored about 9 points each that was some match allright except fot the result :D 

As far as I remember, McD scored 11 points and Brogan scored 12 in brutal conditions, the game finished 0-12 - 0-13 to Knockmore. Two of the most talented footballers ever to come out of Mayo, one on the way up, the other in his last couple of years......mighty stuff
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 03, 2009, 12:09:51 AM
Just thought I'd move this back into the right thread

Quote from: moysider on February 02, 2009, 06:15:55 PM

Heard ( from a usually reliable source) that Trevor Howley s recovery has had a setback and he s unlikely to feature even in the medium term. Big blow to everybody concerned. Perhaps Deelin or Mayo4Sam can find out for sure what s going on there.


I'll see what i can find out.

On another note I heard at the weekend that a settlement has been reached between JOM and MacDanger, not from a source I'd say would be concrete but I'll see can i find out. Apparently they've buried the hatchett and MacD will be back in april/May
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Post by: stephenite on February 03, 2009, 02:38:53 AM
Wow - if true. That was something I didn't see being resolved. It would be a welcome boost to have him back, but I can't understand the need to wait until April/May
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Post by: Bod Mor on February 03, 2009, 03:04:17 AM
Quote
Mayo club stars 2008
1 Robert Hennelly Breaffy
2 Kevin McLoughlin Knockmore
3 Stephen Drake Ballaghaderreen
4 David Caffrey Charlestown
5 Peadar Gardiner Crossmolina
6 Seán Prendergast Claremorris
7 Gary Conway Ballaghaderreen
8 Barry Kelly Ballaghaderreen
9 Tom Parsons Charlestown
10 Richie Feeney Castlebar Mitchels
11 Ciaran McDonald Crossmolina
12 Alan Dillon Ballintubber
13 Andy Moran Ballaghaderreen
14 Barry Regan Ballaghaderreen
15 Ger Brady Claremorris

Replacements
16 Dermot Higgins Charlestown
17 Jason Gibbons Ballintubber
18 Alan Freeman Aghamore
19 Paul Doherty Kilmaine
20 Mark Ronaldson Shrule/Glencorrib

Just looking at the above list and the team that started on Sunday. Why aren't more of these lads above considered for the national league and more to the point why isn't Barry Regan starting???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 03, 2009, 09:43:50 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 03, 2009, 12:09:51 AM
Just thought I'd move this back into the right thread

Quote from: moysider on February 02, 2009, 06:15:55 PM

Heard ( from a usually reliable source) that Trevor Howley s recovery has had a setback and he s unlikely to feature even in the medium term. Big blow to everybody concerned. Perhaps Deelin or Mayo4Sam can find out for sure what s going on there.


I'll see what i can find out.

On another note I heard at the weekend that a settlement has been reached between JOM and MacDanger, not from a source I'd say would be concrete but I'll see can i find out. Apparently they've buried the hatchett and MacD will be back in april/May


Was the source Drinking  Mayoforsam :D was talking to Mc D at training the weekend and i'd say he wil be just concentrating on Cross this year he is working away in meath at the moment an in this current economic climate i'm sure that he is putting his job before anything else at this stage sure he has not started a championship match for mayo since the 2006 Ai final and he is a year older why would o'mahony want him back in the panel now
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 03, 2009, 01:24:40 PM
Can we please stop talking about the return of McD unless there is something concrete to go on? I'm not doubting your source Mayo4Sam but conjecture on McD has been wrong in the past and while it would be good to have him back, lingering talk of him returning will have a negative impact on the current squad until there is confirmation one way or the other
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 03, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 03, 2009, 01:24:40 PM
Can we please stop talking about the return of McD unless there is something concrete to go on? I'm not doubting your source Mayo4Sam but conjecture on McD has been wrong in the past and while it would be good to have him back, lingering talk of him returning will have a negative impact on the current squad until there is confirmation one way or the other

Your spot on there Red and Green imo mc is gone and we definately won't see him on the panel again . What we saw on sunday is going to be our panel plus maybe Jimmy Nallen and David Heaney. There are allways people saying that he is coming back jesus i was at the match against galway in castlebar last year and one fella beside me swore that mc was togging out that day.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on February 03, 2009, 05:50:44 PM
Where's Seamus O'Shea these days?? Is he on the panel?

In the U-21s last year, himself and Parsons cleaned two of Kerrys biggest stars David Moran and T Walsh in midfield (Walsh moved to midfield when Kerry were struggling afaik)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 03, 2009, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: MacDanger on February 03, 2009, 05:50:44 PM
Where's Seamus O'Shea these days?? Is he on the panel?

In the U-21s last year, himself and Parsons cleaned two of Kerrys biggest stars David Moran and T Walsh in midfield (Walsh moved to midfield when Kerry were struggling afaik)

Coming back from (another) Gilmores Groin surgery. He played for UL in the McGrath Cup and is on the extended Mayo panel
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on February 03, 2009, 08:20:08 PM
O'Se started against Maynooth in the 1st round of the Sigerson and he will start tomorrow against UCD so he should be fine to play National league if picked.
Title: Mayo
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2009, 08:10:32 AM
Anyone hear the result of the challenge match against cavan last night ?
Title: Re: Mayo
Post by: mylestheslasher on February 08, 2009, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 08, 2009, 08:10:32 AM
Anyone hear the result of the challenge match against cavan last night ?


Mayo 2-13, Cavan 2-09
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on February 08, 2009, 10:52:22 AM
Any from Mayo hear whether the Derry V Mayo NHL game is going ahead today?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2009, 02:23:30 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on February 08, 2009, 10:52:22 AM
Any from Mayo hear whether the Derry V Mayo NHL game is going ahead today?

Supposed to have been changed from Banagher to Magilligan.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MacDanger on February 09, 2009, 12:43:30 AM
Derry 0-09 Mayo 0-06

Sounds like a dour enough game. Reasonable-ish result though
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on February 09, 2009, 11:31:24 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on February 03, 2009, 03:04:17 AM
Quote
Mayo club stars 2008
1 Robert Hennelly Breaffy
2 Kevin McLoughlin Knockmore
3 Stephen Drake Ballaghaderreen
4 David Caffrey Charlestown
5 Peadar Gardiner Crossmolina
6 Seán Prendergast Claremorris
7 Gary Conway Ballaghaderreen
8 Barry Kelly Ballaghaderreen
9 Tom Parsons Charlestown
10 Richie Feeney Castlebar Mitchels
11 Ciaran McDonald Crossmolina
12 Alan Dillon Ballintubber
13 Andy Moran Ballaghaderreen
14 Barry Regan Ballaghaderreen
15 Ger Brady Claremorris

Replacements
16 Dermot Higgins Charlestown
17 Jason Gibbons Ballintubber
18 Alan Freeman Aghamore
19 Paul Doherty Kilmaine
20 Mark Ronaldson Shrule/Glencorrib

Just looking at the above list and the team that started on Sunday. Why aren't more of these lads above considered for the national league and more to the point why isn't Barry Regan starting???

He was injured for the Derry match afaik Bod Mor, to be honest he has a couple of niggly injuries bothering him and they have ruled him out of a few games. I'd say if he's fit he'll get a look in, he definitely deserves a chance or two given his form on the way to the county title.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on February 09, 2009, 12:35:14 PM
apparently Mayo did not score from play in the hurling, God bless them for trying but it must be very difficult.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on February 14, 2009, 01:55:24 PM
St Gerald's beat St Jarlath's last night in Ballinrobe in the Connacht A Colleges semi final. A great win for Geralds, who had Aidan O'Shea and Aidan Walsh from last year's minor team and backboned by 'tubber men  ;)
Claremorris play St Mary's in the other semi. Hopefully it will be an all-Mayo final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 14, 2009, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 14, 2009, 01:55:24 PM
St Gerald's beat St Jarlath's last night in Ballinrobe in the Connacht A Colleges semi final. A great win for Geralds, who had Aidan O'Shea and Aidan Walsh from last year's minor team and backboned by 'tubber men  ;)
Claremorris play St Mary's in the other semi. Hopefully it will be an all-Mayo final.

Has that ever happened?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2009, 07:13:21 PM
Moysider and stephenite, I will come out and do 'a Barack Obama'. Ye must be right about Harte all along lads. He seemed to turn the game for us today. Am I forgiven lads??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 14, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2009, 07:13:21 PM
Moysider and stephenite, I will come out and do 'a Barack Obama'. Ye must be right about Harte all along lads. He seemed to turn the game for us today. Am I forgiven lads??

Only if you proclaim that Johnno should stay.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 14, 2009, 08:57:57 PM
Did Colman's win? They were 8-3 up at one point.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 14, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Colman's won pulling up.

Could well be the first ever all Mayo final. Jarlath's hedgemony on the comp would have ensured that I'd say.

Will be a cracking game, I'd recommend it even if ya don't know many/any of those playing.

From last year's minors Aidans O'Shea and Walsh will be playing with Gerald's and Shane Nally and John Broderick with Colman's
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 14, 2009, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 14, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Colman's won pulling up.

Could well be the first ever all Mayo final. Jarlath's hedgemony on the comp would have ensured that I'd say.

Will be a cracking game, I'd recommend it even if ya don't know many/any of those playing.

From last year's minors Aidans O'Shea and Walsh will be playing with Gerald's and Shane Nally and John Broderick with Colman's
Aye, and Summerhill when they cared about it in times past might have shut the door on Mayo colleges completely. 24 years since a Sligo school won the A competition. Unless that lot get their act together or Attracta's get a special crop from the Curry/Tubber/Tourlestrane nurseries, then it won't end anytime soon. And then there's the old alma mater pulling out altogether thanks to the cutbacks, funny how they had enough to send a soccer team all the way to an All-Ireland B final though. >:(

Oh is this a Mayo thread? Do carry on...... :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 14, 2009, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 14, 2009, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 14, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Colman's won pulling up.

Could well be the first ever all Mayo final. Jarlath's hedgemony on the comp would have ensured that I'd say.

Will be a cracking game, I'd recommend it even if ya don't know many/any of those playing.

From last year's minors Aidans O'Shea and Walsh will be playing with Gerald's and Shane Nally and John Broderick with Colman's
Aye, and Summerhill when they cared about it in times past might have shut the door on Mayo colleges completely. 24 years since a Sligo school won the A competition. Unless that lot get their act together or Attracta's get a special crop from the Curry/Tubber/Tourlestrane nurseries, then it won't end anytime soon. And then there's the old alma mater pulling out altogether thanks to the cutbacks, funny how they had enough to send a soccer team all the way to an All-Ireland B final though. >:(

Oh is this a Mayo thread? Do carry on...... :D

Summerhill are only playing B soccer now?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 14, 2009, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 14, 2009, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 14, 2009, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 14, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Colman's won pulling up.

Could well be the first ever all Mayo final. Jarlath's hedgemony on the comp would have ensured that I'd say.

Will be a cracking game, I'd recommend it even if ya don't know many/any of those playing.

From last year's minors Aidans O'Shea and Walsh will be playing with Gerald's and Shane Nally and John Broderick with Colman's
Aye, and Summerhill when they cared about it in times past might have shut the door on Mayo colleges completely. 24 years since a Sligo school won the A competition. Unless that lot get their act together or Attracta's get a special crop from the Curry/Tubber/Tourlestrane nurseries, then it won't end anytime soon. And then there's the old alma mater pulling out altogether thanks to the cutbacks, funny how they had enough to send a soccer team all the way to an All-Ireland B final though. >:(

Oh is this a Mayo thread? Do carry on...... :D

Summerhill are only playing B soccer now?
Good God no! Different school altogether. Times might be changing, but it'll never be that drastic a change. ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 15, 2009, 12:26:37 AM
Its an awful poor reflection of a town the size of Sligo that they don't have an A colleges football team. Think close to a thousand go to Summerhill, making it the biggest population of boys in Connacht. I've seen them play at B level and they are frighteningly disorganised and indisciplined, whilst having a lot of ability if they got their act together.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 15, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 15, 2009, 12:26:37 AM
Its an awful poor reflection of a town the size of Sligo that they don't have an A colleges football team. Think close to a thousand go to Summerhill, making it the biggest population of boys in Connacht. I've seen them play at B level and they are frighteningly disorganised and indisciplined, whilst having a lot of ability if they got their act together.
You can edit that from 'Connacht' to 'the country'. At least it was at the start of the decade anyway. :o A disgrace that they can't put a good team together, they draw on the three town clubs and 3-4 other clubs in the hinterland, and yet can't get beyond B level. Attracta's put them to shame.

That said, the alternative school for boys in the town bans GAA altogether, it's rugby only in the Grammar (and then who gets all the derision about banning sports?). And then they had the neck to go cribbing in the local media about losing funding after the cutbacks, they being the lone fee-paying school in the area. >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on February 15, 2009, 08:57:20 AM
Colmans won very easily, Marys were shocking. Shane Nally totally dominated the Midfield, will be interesting to see him square up against Aidan O Shea. I think it is 12 years since a Mayo team won the colleges. Gerards won in 97. Will prob. be Saturday week in Ballinrobe. Sad to see young commins dislocating the collar bone.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 15, 2009, 04:00:23 PM

Very enjoyable fare in Ballinrobe on Friday night. Gerard' s should have won by 10 but could have lost.
Jarlath s very sour at the end. Referee got a bit of a doin. They re obviously not used to losing but they might well remember benefiting from some questionable refereeing decisions that got them out of tight corners in the past.

Cant see past Gerards in the final. Colman s were on the weaker side of the draw and considering their numbers they re doing very well to maintain their high standards year in year out. Geralds are twice as big almost. It should be pointed out that Gerards have @200 more than Jarlath s also. Summerhill while not as big as they used to be are still bigger than any school in A and over twice as big as Colman s or Muredach s. Rice College is much bigger than likes of Colmans, Jarlath s and Muredach s but still play B.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 15, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 15, 2009, 04:00:23 PM

Very enjoyable fare in Ballinrobe on Friday night. Gerard' s should have won by 10 but could have lost.
Jarlath s very sour at the end. Referee got a bit of a doin. They re obviously not used to losing but they might well remember benefiting from some questionable refereeing decisions that got them out of tight corners in the past.

Cant see past Gerards in the final. Colman s were on the weaker side of the draw and considering their numbers they re doing very well to maintain their high standards year in year out. Geralds are twice as big almost. It should be pointed out that Gerards have @200 more than Jarlath s also. Summerhill while not as big as they used to be are still bigger than any school in A and over twice as big as Colman s or Muredach s. Rice College is much bigger than likes of Colmans, Jarlath s and Muredach s but still play B.

I reckon it will be very close. But the Jarlath's game should bring Gerald's on.They looked very ragged at times and they were lucky Jarlath's were an average team this year. Gerald's will never have a better chance to win back the Aenghus Murphy Cup. But they will need to be a bit cuter and more fluid in their attacks. Decision making in attack needs to improve from the last night because some of the shot selection was very bad.

Cillian O'Connor is one to watch though, a class, class young player.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 17, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Would i be shot if i said Nallen and/or heaney for corner backs?

If you put the rather large issue of their age to one side and just base it on their merits for this year.

Our problem in the full back line has been height, each of the top countys have a big FF line, so they tick those boxes. Both good at playing in front, no fear of been pickpocketed from behind. No fear of them going awol and leaving us exposed, excellent cover for HB to go forward and we can have 2 intelligent footballers minding the house.
Could be ideal behind a mobile HB unit of Higgins, Howley, A Moran, let the 2 half backs go forward, howley is a natural centre back with great skills at reading the game.


Also would benefit cafferkey greatly
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 17, 2009, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 17, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Would i be shot if i said Nallen and/or heaney for corner backs?



Any last wishes mayo4sam :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 18, 2009, 12:42:26 AM

The following is the reaction of Johnno after Donegal game.



John O'Mahony stepped out into the Donegal air and gave his assessment.
"It was an incredible game," he began. "The first half performance wasn't acceptable from our point of view. Donegal played well but we didn't rise the rag at all and we couldn't stand over that at half-time. And, in fairness to the lads, they didn't stand over it.
"They had to show pride in the jersey in the second half and they did that in buckets in the second half. It was such a contrast. But we still have an awful lot of thinking to do after today's game. I think some people will have grown up and some people will have learned a few things. But it's great to have got a point after facing what we were at half-time. But it was a game of two halves in every sense."
So, what did Mayo do in the second half that they didn't do in the first?
"They showed pride in the jersey, simple as that," was the manager's instant reply. "National League in February is not about complicated tactics or set-pieces or set-plays. There is a little bit of that involved but it's mostly about attitude, getting the attitude right, and taking the game on. It's not about looking for somebody beside you to do it, but do what you can do yourself.
"We reshuffled it a bit at half-time and fellas found themselves in strange positions, but sometimes you get the best out of people when their backs are to the wall. And our backs were to the wall in that second half so the lads deserve a lot of credit for the way they answered the call in the second half."
Speaking of calls, Mayo's management made some tough ones on Saturday when the chips were down. They hauled off Pat Kelly at half-time, called in Billy Padden moments after kicking a point, and Tom Parsons was also called ashore early in the second half.
"Ronan McGarrity's yellow card meant that some of it was out of our hands, some of it was tactical, and we had to make some of the other calls," shrugged O'Mahony. "There's no point in having a panel of 24 unless you're going to use lads. Whatever calls we have to make, we'll make them. That's the kind of honesty that you have to face it with.
"At half-time everyone was accountable for that first half," he added. "The players had to face up to what they could do, we had to face up to what we could do, and had to do. You have to make the call instantly in many respects, and that's the cut and thrust of management. You're on a knife edge. If you win, you're right. If you lose, you're wrong. And if you draw, you're about half right," smiled the exhausted-looking manager.
So, with one point from a possible four, the visit of Westmeath to Charlestown on March 8 presents Mayo with an opportunity to register their first win of the new season. If nothing else, this was the first step towards Championship 2009.
"It's a starting point but we were lucky to get something out of this game, playing the way we played in the first half," admitted O'Mahony. "But we have to be honest because sometimes, when you get something out of a game like that, it covers up what you didn't do well. "We have three weeks now to analyse this. In many respects I am disappointed not to have won it but, at the same time, after being nine points down, you'll take when you can get."

I ve highlighted the bold parts myself because I believe they need to be highlighted. It s the usual insight we get from management, a bit of fat- chewing for the hacks and they probably try to reveal very little. But in fact they reveal a lot. Except usually people dont pay much attention because you have to cut through the bullshit, but if you do its worth it because these fellas do reveal things.  I just highlighted a couple of things. Analysis of that interview could take a lot more time than I ve time to give it. Just wonder what others think.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 18, 2009, 11:01:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on February 18, 2009, 12:42:26 AM
John O'Mahony stepped out into the Donegal air and gave his assessment.
"It was an incredible game," he began. "The first half performance wasn't acceptable from our point of view. Donegal played well but we didn't rise the rag at all and we couldn't stand over that at half-time. And, in fairness to the lads, they didn't stand over it.
"They had to show pride in the jersey in the second half and they did that in buckets in the second half. It was such a contrast. But we still have an awful lot of thinking to do after today's game. I think some people will have grown up and some people will have learned a few things. But it's great to have got a point after facing what we were at half-time. But it was a game of two halves in every sense."
So, what did Mayo do in the second half that they didn't do in the first?
"They showed pride in the jersey, simple as that," was the manager's instant reply. "National League in February is not about complicated tactics or set-pieces or set-plays. There is a little bit of that involved but it's mostly about attitude, getting the attitude right, and taking the game on. It's not about looking for somebody beside you to do it, but do what you can do yourself.
"We reshuffled it a bit at half-time and fellas found themselves in strange positions, but sometimes you get the best out of people when their backs are to the wall. And our backs were to the wall in that second half so the lads deserve a lot of credit for the way they answered the call in the second half."
Speaking of calls, Mayo's management made some tough ones on Saturday when the chips were down. They hauled off Pat Kelly at half-time, called in Billy Padden moments after kicking a point, and Tom Parsons was also called ashore early in the second half.
"Ronan McGarrity's yellow card meant that some of it was out of our hands, some of it was tactical, and we had to make some of the other calls," shrugged O'Mahony. "There's no point in having a panel of 24 unless you're going to use lads. Whatever calls we have to make, we'll make them. That's the kind of honesty that you have to face it with.
"At half-time everyone was accountable for that first half," he added. "The players had to face up to what they could do, we had to face up to what we could do, and had to do. You have to make the call instantly in many respects, and that's the cut and thrust of management. You're on a knife edge. If you win, you're right. If you lose, you're wrong. And if you draw, you're about half right," smiled the exhausted-looking manager.
So, with one point from a possible four, the visit of Westmeath to Charlestown on March 8 presents Mayo with an opportunity to register their first win of the new season. If nothing else, this was the first step towards Championship 2009.
"It's a starting point but we were lucky to get something out of this game, playing the way we played in the first half," admitted O'Mahony. "But we have to be honest because sometimes, when you get something out of a game like that, it covers up what you didn't do well. "We have three weeks now to analyse this. In many respects I am disappointed not to have won it but, at the same time, after being nine points down, you'll take when you can get."


Some good insight there. Its refreshing compared to the stuff he normally comes out with.

It seems that he was caught on the hop a bit, and emotions were high as he was giving the interview, because he seems to have spoken more openly and honestly than usual.

You could analyse it to death but I wont, except to say that its good to see him talk a lot of sense instead of the rehearsed, sound byte type, after match clichés. Its nice to hear words like honesty, pride in the jersey, attitude, learning etc with regards to Mayo football.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 18, 2009, 12:07:30 PM
The obsession with analysing JOM's every public spake is becoming tiresome to be honest lads - whatever is said into a microphone in no way represents what is being said behind closed doors - I understand the frustration with the lack of progress all too well but let's not kid ourselves that we are party to what's really going on.

It'll either work this year or it won't - JOM will be for the high road if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: OirthearMhaigheo on February 18, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 17, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Would i be shot if i said Nallen and/or heaney for corner backs?

If you put the rather large issue of their age to one side and just base it on their merits for this year.

Our problem in the full back line has been height, each of the top countys have a big FF line, so they tick those boxes. Both good at playing in front, no fear of been pickpocketed from behind. No fear of them going awol and leaving us exposed, excellent cover for HB to go forward and we can have 2 intelligent footballers minding the house.
Could be ideal behind a mobile HB unit of Higgins, Howley, A Moran, let the 2 half backs go forward, howley is a natural centre back with great skills at reading the game.


Also would benefit cafferkey greatly

In relation to the bit in bold, I think Nallen ticks that box, but Heaney under a high ball? 2004 and 2006 should see that he is never let near a high fielding forward again!! Heaney is also an awful man for carrying the ball out loosely and losing possession as a result, I think half back is the only spot for him and the odd time at full back if he is playing against a smaller, mobile full-forward and only if Cafferky is injured. Cafferky is the future and I would think he has a bright one from what I have seen so far. Nallen still has alot to offer, he is good under a high ball, still has decent pace and he has a calming influence on the young lads. I'd expect he will have a part to play this summer, maybe not for 70 mins anymore but he will see action.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on February 18, 2009, 02:00:12 PM
I'm with Stephenite on this one lads. Anything Johnno ever says after matches is invariably nonsense. And this is just more of that. It's just pointless obfuscation. It's Johnno's equivalent - and may God forgive me for referring to peil na nGall on a GAA Board! - of Eric Cantona's "when the seagulls follow the trawler" stuff.

One of the pieces that Moysider highlights, about it being not about set-plays but attitude, is true only in the context of this game against Donegal. In some other game, he'll come out talking tactics like Rommel in the desert. It's all just a lot of sh1te to feed to the media.

Which is about what the media deserve, I might add. One of the big GAA stories last week was about the GPA's refusal to grant membership to the current Cork hurling panel. At no stage, no stage, did anyone say that Cusack is second only to Dessie Farrell himself in the GPA, so they were hardly going offer the hand of friendship in the first place. And besides, don't those poor lads have more to worry about than those shysters in the GPA anyway?

Rant over. I'll go back to watching the news and wondering if we're about to have an election we can't afford on top of every other damn thing. :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 19, 2009, 08:21:06 PM
Well Iolar, he's a TD politician now and all they ever seem to do is play to the media any chance they get. I wonder if there's no election before he decides to leave Mayo's management will he get in again? (If no progress has been made)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on February 20, 2009, 10:40:35 AM
Anyone know when or where the Connacht colleges A final is fixed for?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 20, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Not confirmed but looks like Saturday afternoon week in Ballinrobe
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 20, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 20, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Not confirmed but looks like Saturday afternoon week in Ballinrobe

Im guessing Sunday week. Just a hunch
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 23, 2009, 11:59:16 AM

Curses. Heard Barry Moran has hamstring trouble and is a doubt for Westmeath game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 23, 2009, 12:28:55 PM
heard pat kelly left the panel?? any truth in this
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 23, 2009, 12:48:24 PM
Special Convention Wednesday night to select the new PRO. Piaras Reilly against former PRO Kevin O'Toole. It'll be very close! Anyone going?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on February 23, 2009, 12:50:52 PM
Didn't hear anything about Pat K - it wouldn't suprise me. Two very ordinary performances from him in the first league matches - no real arguement for keeping him on board.

Without Barry Moran we are clueless up front and depend entirely on Conor. Would be a huge loss for a vital game. Loser will be goners.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 23, 2009, 12:54:39 PM
Barry Moran has always been injury prone and it is for this reason, not his ability, that I'd be worried about his prospects at full-forward. We don't have much alternative but it will happen, hopefully not too often, that we will have to plan without him and we'll look extremely clueless then.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on February 24, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Is anyone else getting bored?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 24, 2009, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: mannix on February 24, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Is anyone else getting bored?

Bored?
I dont really check this board anymore. Half the reason is because we are waaay over analytical and we seem to drag out topics about JOM and the McD sagas to death.
Im bored out of my head reading about JOM on this board so I just skim topics anymore. I have even gone as far as not reading some mayo posters messages at all.
Also, any up coming Mayo games are dragged out too much IMO. Same thing over and over.

There isnt half enough talk about Mayo club football, both under-age and the Senior ranks.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on February 24, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
no, i am sorry, still bored.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 24, 2009, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 24, 2009, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: mannix on February 24, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Is anyone else getting bored?

Bored?
I dont really check this board anymore. Half the reason is because we are waaay over analytical and we seem to drag out topics about JOM and the McD sagas to death.
Im bored out of my head reading about JOM on this board so I just skim topics anymore. I have even gone as far as not reading some mayo posters messages at all.
Also, any up coming Mayo games are dragged out too much IMO. Same thing over and over.

There isnt half enough talk about Mayo club football, both under-age and the Senior ranks.




It's a pity thatthe County board don't get their act together and have proper fixtures, like nearly every other county has ckubs playing in February. Our Senior league doesn't start until April and it has always been that way.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 24, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
April is time enough. If you started the league's in February teams would be starting training in December. The season runs from April to October, that's plenty long enough. No need to be stretching it any further in fairness.

Speaking of something worth talking about outside of the usual JOM discussions I'm really looking forward to the Colleges Final on Sunday now. I'd really recommend anyone that's around to go to it. Its throwing in at 3pm in Ballinrobe. Gerald's against Colman's, I think it is the first ever all-Mayo clash in a Connacht Colleges Senior A final. Loads of promising players on show. Two good interviews in this week's Mayo News with Gerald's captain Aidan O'Shea and his Colman's counterpart Shane Nally. Both very grounded and mature lads and you'd have good faith in them.

O'Shea - http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6003&Itemid=39

Nally - http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5999&Itemid=39

The B Final is on before, St Louis of Kiltimagh taking on St Paul's of Oughterard, shouldn't be a bad game either, throwing in at half 1, I think.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on February 24, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 24, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
April is time enough. If you started the league's in February teams would be starting training in December. The season runs from April to October, that's plenty long enough. No need to be stretching it any further in fairness.

Speaking of something worth talking about outside of the usual JOM discussions I'm really looking forward to the Colleges Final on Sunday now. I'd really recommend anyone that's around to go to it. Its throwing in at 3pm in Ballinrobe. Gerald's against Colman's, I think it is the first ever all-Mayo clash in a Connacht Colleges Senior A final. Loads of promising players on show. Two good interviews in this week's Mayo News with Gerald's captain Aidan O'Shea and his Colman's counterpart Shane Nally. Both very grounded and mature lads and you'd have good faith in them.

O'Shea - http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6003&Itemid=39

Nally - http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5999&Itemid=39

The B Final is on before, St Louis of Kiltimagh taking on St Paul's of Oughterard, shouldn't be a bad game either, throwing in at half 1, I think.

They seem like two mature lads, hope it is a good game with Colmans winning by a point.
I was first year in Colmans when they won the Hogan cup in 1977, it was a year that you could never forget beating Jarlaths in the Connaught Final after a replay, then Carmalite Moate in the All Ireland final. Colmans had players from Balla, Kiltimagh and Milltown on the team back then, their pick seems smaller now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: nooneshoutedstop on February 24, 2009, 08:29:01 PM
Should be a good final alright, I'll be hoping for a result the otherway FL/Mayo. It must be some experience to see lads from your school bring the Hogan Cup home. Unfortunatly the closest Geralds ever got was in 97 when they got to the final and got well beaten. Geralds will have to shape up on the shooting after hitting 20 odd wides the last day out against Jarlaths. I have been told that this is the only side the school have in competition this year because of the cut backs on supplying cover for teachers, this could be the start of the end for schools football.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: nooneshoutedstop on February 24, 2009, 08:29:01 PM
Should be a good final alright, I'll be hoping for a result the otherway FL/Mayo. It must be some experience to see lads from your school bring the Hogan Cup home. Unfortunatly the closest Geralds ever got was in 97 when they got to the final and got well beaten. Geralds will have to shape up on the shooting after hitting 20 odd wides the last day out against Jarlaths. I have been told that this is the only side the school have in competition this year because of the cut backs on supplying cover for teachers, this could be the start of the end for schools football.
Nice to see you joining in.
How's the blogging getting along?

BTW; I also am bored ; after all Johnno decided not to pay a blind bit of notice to any of the solid and constructive advice I gave him last year and look where it has gotten him.
Think I'll leave him at it and we'll see how he gets on.;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 10:42:01 AM

i noticed that you haven't commented on any of the league matches this year lar . Are you going to try and get to a match this year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

I seriously doubt that about Nallen.
I heard that Niall Costello is playing Centre Forward for Sligo Seniors at the minute.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

There was talk after the loss to ballaghadreen last year that Jimmy was going to transfer to a club in Galway allright and in fairness no one in the club would begrudge jimmy doing that as he is living and working in Gwalway and has giving his all for Cross down the years ,however with John Maughan in Charge this year every one assumed that Jimmy was going to give it One last push so i'll have to find out Davitt Man
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 25, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 10:42:01 AM

i noticed that you haven't commented on any of the league matches this year lar . Are you going to try and get to a match this year
Hi Deel, thanks for asking...
I hope to be there for the Westmeath game and we'll see after that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 25, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 10:42:01 AM

i noticed that you haven't commented on any of the league matches this year lar . Are you going to try and get to a match this year
Hi Deel, thanks for asking...
I hope to be there for the Westmeath game and we'll see after that.


thats great Lar good to hear that, where are we playing westmeath home or away ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: nooneshoutedstop on February 25, 2009, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 25, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 10:42:01 AM

i noticed that you haven't commented on any of the league matches this year lar . Are you going to try and get to a match this year
Hi Deel, thanks for asking...
I hope to be there for the Westmeath game and we'll see after that.


thats great Lar good to hear that, where are we playing westmeath home or away ?


Were playing them at home in Charlestown,
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 25, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

I seriously doubt that about Nallen.
I heard that Niall Costello is playing Centre Forward for Sligo Seniors at the minute.

Should nt that be Alan Costello? Formerly of Balla.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 25, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

I seriously doubt that about Nallen.
I heard that Niall Costello is playing Centre Forward for Sligo Seniors at the minute.

Should nt that be Alan Costello? Formerly of Balla.

Ya meant Alan. Good footballer, best of luck to him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

There was talk after the loss to ballaghadreen last year that Jimmy was going to transfer to a club in Galway allright and in fairness no one in the club would begrudge jimmy doing that as he is living and working in Gwalway and has giving his all for Cross down the years ,however with John Maughan in Charge this year every one assumed that Jimmy was going to give it One last push so i'll have to find out Davitt Man

Ya i was surprised when i heard it to especially when Maughan is board for the year, he will give it one last year and see how far they can go. Jimmy has been a serious club man down the years hardly ever missed a game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 25, 2009, 07:30:37 PM
Anyone going to the CB meeting tonight? New proposals for championship format up for discussion along with the vote for PRO between Piaras O'Reilly and Kevin O'Toole.

The champ. proposals aren't going down well though. They're suggesting that senior championship consist of two groups of 8, each team playing the other once. Top 4 make the quarter-finals and the bottom team plays off with the bottom team from the other group to see who goes down to Intermediate. Would dilute the importance of championship imo. The current system seems to be suiting everyone.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 25, 2009, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 25, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

I seriously doubt that about Nallen.
I heard that Niall Costello is playing Centre Forward for Sligo Seniors at the minute.

Should nt that be Alan Costello? Formerly of Balla.

Ya meant Alan. Good footballer, best of luck to him

I agree. Could be a big addition for them because there was never any doubt about his ability to play at this level. Just his conditioning never seemed to be as good as it needed to be. Enda Devenney is another who could be worth involving in their set-up. Provided he got back to the level he was before he was injured Spring 2005. By the time he made the Mayo senior side he was only a shadow of the player he could have been and could be again - if he wants to be.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 25, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
enda has transferred to a club in sligo, we've seen the end of him for mayo
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 25, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 25, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
enda has transferred to a club in sligo, we've seen the end of him for mayo

Apparently the transfer is being heldup while everyone waits for Enda to fill out a form
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 25, 2009, 11:50:10 PM
Kevin O'Toole elected PRO of the County Board tonight. New championship proposals not even discussed before being thrown out
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 26, 2009, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 25, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
enda has transferred to a club in sligo, we've seen the end of him for mayo

Sorry. I presumed people knew he was with St. John s. If he gets back to his best he d be a coup for Sligo, I meant. When we played him he was playing from memory with a gammy knee. Would nt rule him out of playing again for his native club in the future.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
Quoteenda has transferred to a club in sligo, we've seen the end of him for mayo
jaysus not this again
at least it should shut sligonian up for a while over parsons
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 26, 2009, 01:14:55 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 25, 2009, 11:50:10 PM
Kevin O'Toole elected PRO of the County Board tonight. New championship proposals not even discussed before being thrown out
so much for new blood Piaras could have brought real enthusiasm to the role (i know he was already on the board but o'toole is just back to the future)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 26, 2009, 06:59:59 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
Quoteenda has transferred to a club in sligo, we've seen the end of him for mayo
jaysus not this again
at least it should shut sligonian up for a while over parsons

Come on ros, ::) last time i checked we didnt go across any borders to get costello...unlike parsons.

But im feeling better about the situation now, 2009 has started well for me on every front, hope yer enjoying the sligomans form btw.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on February 26, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
Quoteso much for new blood Piaras could have brought real enthusiasm to the role (i know he was already on the board but o'toole is just back to the future)

I don't know anything about either party but this is the way Mayo County Board operates - the same people are recycled in a cosy cartel and when an outside (such as Noelle Horan) are elected in they are hounded out. These are the reasons why we will never get our house in order and win something.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 26, 2009, 09:05:08 AM
Quote from: moysider on February 25, 2009, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 25, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

I seriously doubt that about Nallen.
I heard that Niall Costello is playing Centre Forward for Sligo Seniors at the minute.

Should nt that be Alan Costello? Formerly of Balla.

Ya meant Alan. Good footballer, best of luck to him

I agree. Could be a big addition for them because there was never any doubt about his ability to play at this level. Just his conditioning never seemed to be as good as it needed to be. Enda Devenney is another who could be worth involving in their set-up. Provided he got back to the level he was before he was injured Spring 2005. By the time he made the Mayo senior side he was only a shadow of the player he could have been and could be again - if he wants to be.


Thats a few players that have slipped through the net whom I thought I would see playing in the Green and Red...
Have they disappeared off the radar?

Michael Conroy ?
Aidan Kilcoyne ?
Enda Devenney ?
Ger Brady ?




Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 26, 2009, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 26, 2009, 09:05:08 AM
Quote from: moysider on February 25, 2009, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 25, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

I seriously doubt that about Nallen.
I heard that Niall Costello is playing Centre Forward for Sligo Seniors at the minute.

Should nt that be Alan Costello? Formerly of Balla.

Ya meant Alan. Good footballer, best of luck to him

I agree. Could be a big addition for them because there was never any doubt about his ability to play at this level. Just his conditioning never seemed to be as good as it needed to be. Enda Devenney is another who could be worth involving in their set-up. Provided he got back to the level he was before he was injured Spring 2005. By the time he made the Mayo senior side he was only a shadow of the player he could have been and could be again - if he wants to be.


Thats a few players that have slipped through the net whom I thought I would see playing in the Green and Red...
Have they disappeared off the radar?

Michael Conroy ?
Aidan Kilcoyne ?
Enda Devenney ?
Ger Brady ?

Conroy - probably not committed enough, which is his choice, one he's entitled to
Kilcoyne - has been sidelined this year. Think he's on the panel but I'm not certain. Hasn't delivered on the glimpses of class he showed in 2006 off the bench
Devenney - injury a major factor since 2005 but another lad who would be relaxed enough about the football
Ger Brady - played Sigerson with the Guards this year. JOM dispenses with his services fairly quickly. His direct running style can be useful and I think he's worth a panel place at least. But he does run into a lot of cul de sacs
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 26, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: Barney on February 26, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
Quoteso much for new blood Piaras could have brought real enthusiasm to the role (i know he was already on the board but o'toole is just back to the future)

I don't know anything about either party but this is the way Mayo County Board operates - the same people are recycled in a cosy cartel and when an outside (such as Noelle Horan) are elected in they are hounded out. These are the reasons why we will never get our house in order and win something.

If you knew this situation you'd know that the phrase 'cosy cartel' certainly doesn't apply in this instance. The Noelle situation was far from ideal but fault lay on both sides of the house there. Of course the county board needs new blood, and badly, but I don't see too many people putting their hands up for consideration. Perhaps you might?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on February 26, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 25, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
enda has transferred to a club in sligo, we've seen the end of him for mayo
[/quote
Enda has transferred to another planet according to some ballina lads.]
Title: Mayo
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 26, 2009, 08:46:45 PM
Dont think there is any need for that comment mayoman dan .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 26, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 26, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: Barney on February 26, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
Quoteso much for new blood Piaras could have brought real enthusiasm to the role (i know he was already on the board but o'toole is just back to the future)

I don't know anything about either party but this is the way Mayo County Board operates - the same people are recycled in a cosy cartel and when an outside (such as Noelle Horan) are elected in they are hounded out. These are the reasons why we will never get our house in order and win something.

If you knew this situation you'd know that the phrase 'cosy cartel' certainly doesn't apply in this instance. The Noelle situation was far from ideal but fault lay on both sides of the house there. Of course the county board needs new blood, and badly, but I don't see too many people putting their hands up for consideration. Perhaps you might?

thast was my point piaras o rallahhhh(reilly) with his media contacts would have brought a bit of freshness and imagination to thingd certainally cant see him leaving the county website as it is now which is a disgrace. mayo results rarely in the monday papers and i stopped looking at aertel years ago.

BTW was it kevin o tool that was meant to be barney a few years back
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on February 26, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
The rumour that Kevin O'Toole was Barney was just that, and a scurrilous one to boot. From what I recall he was fairly good at getting results up on that excuse for a website the county board have so hopefully he can get that back on track.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 26, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
In fairness there were two good candidates for the position and while I think the best man got the job, hopefully Piaras won't be left completely on the sidelines either. It depends too on what the PRO role will consist of. When O'Toole was in last he was fixtures secretary as well and did a very good job in fairness. Paddy McNicholas has that role now. So will this give O'Toole time to be purely a PRO and work on improving the image of the game, of the board and getting the name out there. That will be very important with the money that they'll need for McHale Park
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on February 27, 2009, 08:17:12 AM
QuoteBTW was it kevin o tool that was meant to be barney a few years back

What the hell? I never heard that one before
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 27, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Barney on February 27, 2009, 08:17:12 AM
QuoteBTW was it kevin o tool that was meant to be barney a few years back

What the hell? I never heard that one before

Ah Barney, there was a very funny email from Kevin addressed directly to you, I'll see if I can dig it out.

BTW Kevin thought that I (and a few others) might be Barney as well. You had the whole of Mayo Gaa wondering who you were. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 27, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
You had the whole of Mayo Gaa wondering who you were. 

With the greatest of respect to Barney, Mayo GAA must have had little enough for doing if that was causing them concern!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 27, 2009, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 27, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
You had the whole of Mayo Gaa wondering who you were. 

With the greatest of respect to Barney, Mayo GAA must have had little enough for doing if that was causing them concern!

Wouldnt be the first time references were made to this message board by the County Board...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on February 27, 2009, 02:03:21 PM
QuoteQuote from: muppet on Today at 12:25:49 PM
You had the whole of Mayo Gaa wondering who you were. 


With the greatest of respect to Barney, Mayo GAA must have had little enough for doing if that was causing them concern!

No offence taken!

It actually astounds/disturbs me that people would even care
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Country Boy on February 27, 2009, 02:10:09 PM
You mean you never saw this Barney

From: Kevin O' Toole [mailto:kotoole@iol.ie]
Sent: 22 February 2006 21:38
To: info@mayogaa.com
Subject: Who is Barney!


It was apparent last year that at least one person on the Mayo Gaa fixtures and results emailing list was also a contributor to the famous www.gaadiscussionboard.com. I would be grateful if that person or persons would pass on this email to the board member who uses the name Barney



Barney – Its time to come clean.



It would appear that your identity has become a major topic of conversation for "some" followers of Mayo GAA – in particular one down here beside me, another one up there beside you.



They seem to think that I am you and you are me – That might be a bit confusing.



Try this - one seems to thinks that I am really you in disguise and the other seems to thinks that I gave me permission to set up your group in Dublin - That's not much better.



Barney please tell them that that you are not me, because they won't believe me when I tell them that I am not you.



Yours in sport



Kevin O'Toole

"Former" Mayo Gaa Pro.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
 :D That is hillarious! I never saw it either. I presume Mr Feeney and Mr Prenty are the two men O'Toole refers to?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 27, 2009, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
:D That is hillarious! I never saw it either. I presume Mr Feeney and Mr Prenty are the two men O'Toole refers to?

That's what I was looking for earlier. Very funny email.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 27, 2009, 10:29:53 PM
Was that in early 2004?? I know that MWR were in on the act with naming somebody called Barney from GAAboard that time as well. That was the first time I ever heard of the board.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on February 28, 2009, 12:33:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
:D That is hillarious! I never saw it either. I presume Mr Feeney and Mr Prenty are the two men O'Toole refers to?
or in gaaboard speak Farrandeelin and muppet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 28, 2009, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 28, 2009, 12:33:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
:D That is hillarious! I never saw it either. I presume Mr Feeney and Mr Prenty are the two men O'Toole refers to?
or in gaaboard speak Farrandeelin and muppet

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 28, 2009, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 28, 2009, 12:33:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 27, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
:D That is hillarious! I never saw it either. I presume Mr Feeney and Mr Prenty are the two men O'Toole refers to?
or in gaaboard speak Farrandeelin and muppet

I doubt it somehow rosnarun. Sure I'm just a ladeen.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on March 01, 2009, 04:37:26 PM
St Colemans won the Connacht Colleges senior A for the first time since 1981, 0-13 to 1-7. St Geralds kicked 13 wides to Colemans 3. Cillian O'Connor had a chance to snatch it at the end but blazed wide when there was only 2 points in it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on March 01, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
listened to it on Mid West, Colman's played more as a team, Gerard's relied to much on O'Shea. Congrats to Colman's, there will be a great night in Claremorris tonight, one of those days  I wish i was back there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on March 01, 2009, 07:08:01 PM
Just in the door from the final. Best team won. Gerald's had the better players at their disposal but Colman's managed to mould a better team together. Gerald's, on the other hand, had no structure to their play. Hope I'm wrong but they could be well off the pace in the All-Ireland semi. But that's a concern for another day. They'll enjoy tonight and celebrate a long overdue success for both their school and Mayo schools in general.
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Post by: nooneshoutedstop on March 01, 2009, 10:25:59 PM
As is always Red and Green Sniper had it spot on, the better team won out on the day and deserve to be celebrating tonight. Gearld's shooting form from the semi-final haunted them again today, eight wides in the first half compared to Colmann's single wide in the same period.
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Post by: moysider on March 01, 2009, 11:40:04 PM

Could not make today s game. I have to admit I got it wrong. I was at the Jar/Geralds semi and I thought Ger would sort out their shot selection and accuracy and win with a bit to spare. Sounds like they did nt. On the other hand 13 points is a fine total from Colmans. Jarlath s could not even manage half that v Geralds. This win by Colmans is all the more remarkable when you take into account the big margin of victory Gerards had against them in the league only 5 months ago. Obviously Colman s trained on well since. Their coach Vinny Walsh deserves great credit for this.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: kevmy on March 02, 2009, 12:31:13 PM
Did anyone hear anything about Cafferkey getting injured playing for NUIG over the weekend?

I wouldn't like it to happen to him at this stage just when he's gettin a few games.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on March 02, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: kevmy on March 02, 2009, 12:31:13 PM
Did anyone hear anything about Cafferkey getting injured playing for NUIG over the weekend?

I wouldn't like it to happen to him at this stage just when he's gettin a few games.

Yeah. I mentioned it on the Mayo/Westmeath thread. Had to be replaced after 6 mins. I dont know what happened yet but he has a history of hamstring injuries. Barry Moran could nt play Sigerson final because of a torn hamstring. With Pat Kelly gone we could be thin enough for defensive cover if Caf is out.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on March 04, 2009, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

There was talk after the loss to ballaghadreen last year that Jimmy was going to transfer to a club in Galway allright and in fairness no one in the club would begrudge jimmy doing that as he is living and working in Gwalway and has giving his all for Cross down the years ,however with John Maughan in Charge this year every one assumed that Jimmy was going to give it One last push so i'll have to find out Davitt Man

Ya i was surprised when i heard it to especially when Maughan is board for the year, he will give it one last year and see how far they can go. Jimmy has been a serious club man down the years hardly ever missed a game.

Jimmy is definately playing with Cross this year Davitt man he played his 1st match of the year for us on sunday in a challenge match
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 05, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 04, 2009, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 25, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on February 25, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
Deel Rover, has Jimmy Nallen transfered to a Galway club, heard this over the weekend, is it true?

There was talk after the loss to ballaghadreen last year that Jimmy was going to transfer to a club in Galway allright and in fairness no one in the club would begrudge jimmy doing that as he is living and working in Gwalway and has giving his all for Cross down the years ,however with John Maughan in Charge this year every one assumed that Jimmy was going to give it One last push so i'll have to find out Davitt Man

Ya i was surprised when i heard it to especially when Maughan is board for the year, he will give it one last year and see how far they can go. Jimmy has been a serious club man down the years hardly ever missed a game.

Jimmy is definately playing with Cross this year Davitt man he played his 1st match of the year for us on sunday in a challenge match
Janey Mac; he's some hell of a man!
He must be playing senior now for 14 or 15 years.
What age is he? I'd say he must be 35 at least  and still going strong.
Pity we don't have more like him. I suppose you could put Heaney in the same boat.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on March 05, 2009, 01:26:58 PM
You'll do well to find anyone with a bad word to say about Jimmy Nallen. A real legend. Won his first county title anyhow in 1995. I'm sure Deel will tell us if he had been playing for long before that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 05, 2009, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 05, 2009, 01:26:58 PM
You'll do well to find anyone with a bad word to say about Jimmy Nallen. A real legend. Won his first county title anyhow in 1995. I'm sure Deel will tell us if he had been playing for long before that.


as far as i  can recall  Jimmy first played for cross around 1992 so he would have been around 19 he was definately there in 1993 when we lost the county semi final ( had about 8 18 year olds on that team) to a John Maughan led castlebar team who went on to the All Ireland Club Final that year , he is 36 now . Jimmy never played underage for mayo and only came to promince when he started playing senior for Cross he was just an average underage player ( hard to believe i know) but there were a lot of better lads on the team he was just a late developer but what a servant and what a man to have in your dressing room
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 05, 2009, 01:55:13 PM

Does anyone have the U21 team that took on Tyrone the last day?
I hear its in the Connaught Telegraph but I cant get it where I am....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on March 05, 2009, 02:21:02 PM
From the Mayo News...

R Hennelly (Breaffy)
D Caffrey (Chralestown)
K Keane (Westport)
M Gallagher (Achill)
D Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
L Keegan (Westport)
P Feerick (Hollymount)
B Gallagher (Claremorris)
G McDonagh (Castlebar)
C Carolan (Crossmolina)
C Freeman (Aghamore)
B Lynskey (Swinford)
L Lydon (Kiltimagh)
C Jordan (Moy Davitts)
J Horan (Kilmovee)

Subs used: S Prendergast, M Sweeney, T Parsons, R Geraghty, J Doherty, O Reilly, N Douglas.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 05, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Cheers for that StoneWall... Is there a link to the match report? I cant find it on the Mayonews website.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on March 05, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
The kind hearted man I am I typed it in from the hard copy. That and a very slow day at work  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 06, 2009, 08:40:23 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on March 05, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
The kind hearted man I am I typed it in from the hard copy. That and a very slow day at work  ;D

:o

Thanks for that StoneWall !  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on March 06, 2009, 08:46:49 AM
QuoteYou'll do well to find anyone with a bad word to say about Jimmy Nallen. A real legend. Won his first county title anyhow in 1995. I'm sure Deel will tell us if he had been playing for long before that.

Too right. Finest Mayo footballers of the modern era. A true legend.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 06, 2009, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: Barney on March 06, 2009, 08:46:49 AM
QuoteYou'll do well to find anyone with a bad word to say about Jimmy Nallen. A real legend. Won his first county title anyhow in 1995. I'm sure Deel will tell us if he had been playing for long before that.

Too right. Finest Mayo footballers of the modern era. A true legend.

What a legend, and a true gent and a great role model.
For a player that was never blessed with panache or any wonderful skills, what made him so effective was making the right decisions and doing the little things right all the time. Also he had the knack of being in the right place at the right time. Thats something you cant really teach.

He was treated quite unfairly by the fans after the finals against Kerry in '04 and '06. People were a bit quick to blame him and say he was passed it, especially in '04.

I always felt he was left isolated by the attacking wing backs like Gardiner who was constantly out of position and couldnt get back on time when Kerry counter attacked. In the wide open spaces of Croke Park Kerry were left with too much room to run at Nallen. He didnt deserve the stick he got. Thats just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: kevmy on March 06, 2009, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 06, 2009, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: Barney on March 06, 2009, 08:46:49 AM
QuoteYou'll do well to find anyone with a bad word to say about Jimmy Nallen. A real legend. Won his first county title anyhow in 1995. I'm sure Deel will tell us if he had been playing for long before that.

Too right. Finest Mayo footballers of the modern era. A true legend.

What a legend, and a true gent and a great role model.
For a player that was never blessed with panache or any wonderful skills, what made him so effective was making the right decisions and doing the little things right all the time. Also he had the knack of being in the right place at the right time. Thats something you cant really teach.

He was treated quite unfairly by the fans after the finals against Kerry in '04 and '06. People were a bit quick to blame him and say he was passed it, especially in '04.

I always felt he was left isolated by the attacking wing backs like Gardiner who was constantly out of position and couldnt get back on time when Kerry counter attacked. In the wide open spaces of Croke Park Kerry were left with too much room to run at Nallen. He didnt deserve the stick he got. Thats just my opinion though.


Thats true enough but the point remains a younger Nallen wouldn't have had the same problem. I don't think he should have started CB in 06 but thats another story. Either way all gave his all no matter where he was played
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 08, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
Does anyone know who won the Connaught U20 ladies C final? Looking at the Connaught ladies website its says Swinford won the ladies C PPS senior final. Is that the same thing?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on March 08, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
The PPS competition would be the Post Primary Schools competition so that would be colleges senior C, which would be under 19. There wouldn't be an under 20 level afaik so I'd say that's the result you're looking for.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 08, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
Cheers red and green sniper.

I think Swinford play Holy Cross, Strabane in the AI semi final this week of that competition then. The first time Holy Cross have reached this stage.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2009, 01:00:29 PM
I see on the u-21 thread, the McHale Park reopening may be later than initially planned. What if it isn't ready for the championship? Will Mayo be nomadic for a few years I wonder?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 12, 2009, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 08, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
Cheers red and green sniper.

I think Swinford play Holy Cross, Strabane in the AI semi final this week of that competition then. The first time Holy Cross have reached this stage.

Swinford beat Holy Cross to reach the All Ireland final today on a 3-10 to 0-9 score.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on March 13, 2009, 01:04:46 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2009, 01:00:29 PM
I see on the u-21 thread, the McHale Park reopening may be later than initially planned. What if it isn't ready for the championship? Will Mayo be nomadic for a few years I wonder?
not at all with feeney hired especially for the job im sure it'll be finished bang on time. even now hes insists it all   'running to schedule', rumours of thee dublin game being set for castleebar were Just a Cryto-fascist conspiracy
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 13, 2009, 07:32:19 AM
Where is the Dublin match being played?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
It seems like it's going to be in Ballina now. Unless the redevelopment of McHale Park is put into automode for the next 9 days.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2009, 09:53:42 AM
glad its in Ballina the longer castlebar is closed the better as far as i'm concerned  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2009, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 13, 2009, 09:53:42 AM
glad its in Ballina the longer castlebar is closed the better as far as i'm concerned  ;)

You're not the only one who has those sentiments. It's an unusual combination though of a Crossmolina man and a Knockmore man agreeing about pitches. I'm sure the Ballina men are the same!
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Post by: moysider on March 14, 2009, 11:13:26 PM

Yeah. It ll be great to see the Dubs back the Park again. I remember Mullins and Co there years ago. We would nt want to lose another match there though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2009, 06:13:15 PM
So Division 1 status secured again. It's time for this thread to get a going over again I'd imagine!

I think the stand when complete will be magnificent though. It puts the rest of the ground to shame I think! What do the rest of ye make of it? PS, is it €16m that has to be paid for the whole thing or did I hear wrong?? Will it be all ready in time for the championship game against Ros/Leitrim?
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Post by: AbbeySider on April 14, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
Mortimer ruled out for six weeks

14 April 2009

Mayo have been rocked by the news that Conor Mortimer will miss the Connacht SFC opener against New York at Gaelic Park on May 10 through injury.

The star forward broke two bones in his right hand during last Sunday's drawn NFL clash with Tyrone in Castlebar, and will be sidelined for at least six weeks. However, given the fact that he doesn't require surgery, he should be back in plenty of time for a likely provincial semi-final showdown with Roscommon or Leitrim on June 20.

Despite suffering the injury after 15 minutes, the Shrule-Glencorrib clubman played on for the rest of the game, and it was only after he had x-rays on Sunday evening that the full extent of the damage was revealed.

"I think I may have picked up the injury pushing myself off the ground and putting pressure on the hand," he said.

"I knew there was something broken but I played on and went for an x-ray after the game.

"I will be out for six weeks I would estimate, but I will still be able to participate in some training, although not the ball work obviously. It's an unfortunate blow because I felt we played well on Sunday."



Terrible news for Mortimor and Mayo. He wasnt playing his best in recent times but this blow will be a big set back for him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 15, 2009, 12:40:03 PM
Looks like Pearce plans on playing for Mayo again at some stage in the future - whether that's next year or 10 years could depend on if he's offered a contract at the end of the season. 

Hanley considering his options
15 April 2009


Brisbane Lions player Pearce Hanley has vowed to return home to Mayo if he isn't offered a new contract at the end of the AFL season in September.

The teenager has his heart set on a long career in the AFL, but admits he isn't taking anything for granted.



"I want to spend many years playing in the AFL before finishing my career in Gaelic football," he said.

"I won't hear about a new contract until the end of the season but I have considered my options if it's not good news. I could go back to the GAA, but I'm not really thinking about that now.

"I just want to play as many senior games for the Lions as I can."

Lions recruiting manager Graeme Allen believes Hanley could make the same impact in the AFL as fellow Irishman Martin Clarke.

"We're very pleased with Pearse. He's shown us he's as talented as Marty Clarke," Allen said.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 16, 2009, 03:19:06 PM
Apparently the senior championship squad of 30 has been announced to the panel. I haven't seen/heard anything officially, does anyone know the 30, or the lads that haven't made it?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on April 16, 2009, 03:22:09 PM
Haven't heard but I reckon Colm Boyle and Mikey Sweeney are under pressure. So too Mickey Mullins.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 16, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
Yeah, Mullins has made very few appearances. Boyle made a couple earlier in the league but didn't really impress - still looks to be too lightweight for senior inter-county.

Sweeney had a couple of good performances, or at least showed potential so he has a decent chance of making the squad. Interestingly, for the U-21s it's been Douglas and Doherty rather than Sweeney that have been racking up the big scores.
There has been very little of Barry Regan seen (mainly due to injury I think) - he could also be under pressure.

I might have missed a few from this, but it's a possible 30:

Goalkeepers: Clarke, K O'Malley

Defence: L O'Malley, Cafferkey, McLoughlin, A Higgins, Vaughan, Gardiner, Nallen, Heaney, Howley, Cunniffe, K Higgins, Gardiner

Midfield: Parsons, S O'Shea, McGarrity, Harte

Forwards: A Moran, T Mort, BJP, Dillon, B Moran, Ronaldson, A O'Shea, A O'Malley, C Mort, B Kelly, B Regan, M Sweeney
 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on April 16, 2009, 06:06:44 PM
Barry Regan isn't in the panel. Robert Hennelly is but whether he keeps three keepers in remains to be seen. You're also missing Kieran Conroy there Tubberman and you've Gardiner in twice - Conroy'll be under pressure. Aidan Kilcoyne as well. I reckon Boyle, Mullins and then two from Sweeney, B Kelly, R Hennelly and possibly even Kilcoyne.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on April 16, 2009, 06:16:11 PM
gardiner in twice tubberman, thats poor
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on April 16, 2009, 06:20:01 PM
Maybe one is the Gardiner that could point over his shoulder from 50 yards in Tuam and the other is the Gardiner that couldn't kick any of his three efforts from 25 yards against Tyrone!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 16, 2009, 07:05:31 PM
Last year we were the second most loyal supporters in the country. That was all down to the gate receipts. Dublin romped home, while Mayo were in 2nd place. Keep the faith lads, we're bound to win Sam someday!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 16, 2009, 09:02:39 PM
Quotegardiner in twice tubberman, thats poor

Yeah, that was lazy, I admit it - I'm "mortified". There, that's what you wanted to hear isn't it!?

Anyway, shouldn't you be at WWE in the O2 watching your other heroes?  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 17, 2009, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 16, 2009, 06:06:44 PM
Barry Regan isn't in the panel. Robert Hennelly is but whether he keeps three keepers in remains to be seen. You're also missing Kieran Conroy there Tubberman and you've Gardiner in twice - Conroy'll be under pressure. Aidan Kilcoyne as well. I reckon Boyle, Mullins and then two from Sweeney, B Kelly, R Hennelly and possibly even Kilcoyne.

I thought Barry Regan was named as the last sub on the program the last day?
Conroy did well against Kerry and is good cover for FB and MF... its hard to know...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on April 17, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
Think Aidan Kilcoyne was the last named on Sunday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on April 20, 2009, 12:37:43 AM
1   Chris Barrett   Belmullet
2   Ger Cafferkey   Ballina
3   David Clarke   Ballina
4   Kieran Conroy   Shrule-Glencorrib
5   Tom Cunniffe   Castlebar
6   Alan Dillon                   Ballintubber   
7   Peadar Gardiner   Crossmolina   
8   Patrick Harte   Ballina
9   David Heaney   Swinford
10   Keith Higgins   Ballyhaunis
11   Trevor Howley   Knockmore
12   Barry Kelly                   Ballaghaderreen
13   Aidan Kilcoyne   Knockmore
14   Ronan McGarrity   Ballina
15   Kevin McLoughlin   Knockmore
16   Andy Moran   Ballaghaderreen
17   Barry Moran   Castlebar
18   Conor Mortimer   Shrule-Glencorrib
19   Trevor Mortimer   Shrule-Glencorrib
20   James Nallen   Crossmolina
21   Austin O'Malley   St. Vincents (Dublin)
22   Kenneth O'Malley   Ballinrobe
23   Liam O'Malley   Burrishoole
24   Aidan O'Shea   Breaffy
25   Seamus O'Shea   Breaffy
26   Billy Joe Padden   Belmullet
27   Tom Parsons   Charlestown
28   Mark Ronaldson   Shrule-Glencorrib
29   Michael Sweeney   Kiltane
30   Donal Vaughan   Ballinrobe
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 27, 2009, 09:27:46 AM
In the posters opinion, and in a panel of 30, are Heaney and Nallen keeping anyone out?

Not really I should think, but perhaps Barry Regan, Colm Boyle and Mullins may have been there ?


Also, the year McDonald was dropped, was it only a panel of 28 that was named?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on April 27, 2009, 03:03:43 PM
QuoteIn the posters opinion, and in a panel of 30, are Heaney and Nallen keeping anyone out?

Not really I should think, but perhaps Barry Regan, Colm Boyle and Mullins may have been there ?


Also, the year McDonald was dropped, was it only a panel of 28 that was named?


It was a panel of 29 last year that was named, but if I remember right JOM said that number 30 on the panel was for Chris Barrett who got injured at the tail end of the league if he recovered in time. As for Heany and Nallen, i don't really think they are taking a spot ahead of anyone who has anything more to offer than them. They bring a whole load of experience that hopefully they can pass on to some of the younger lads in the panel.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on April 27, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
appartently Nallen had a stormer yesterday when moved to midfield for Cross, did i hear right that McD came on in that game??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on April 27, 2009, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 16, 2009, 09:02:39 PM
Quotegardiner in twice tubberman, thats poor

Yeah, that was lazy, I admit it - I'm "mortified". There, that's what you wanted to hear isn't it!?

Anyway, shouldn't you be at WWE in the O2 watching your other heroes?  ;)

good comeback
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on April 27, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
just to settle a bet, can anyone tell me the last time mayo played in the bottom tier of the league, the person arguing with me is from sligo so not much credibility there
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 27, 2009, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on April 27, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
appartently Nallen had a stormer yesterday when moved to midfield for Cross, did i hear right that McD came on in that game??

Mc started the game davitt man both he and barry regan scored 6 points a piece and were the pick of the players on view . Like you said Jimmy was excellent from mid field in the 2nd half we were seven points down at 1/2 time but held ballaghadreen to 1 point in the 2nd half while scoring 1-8 ourselves. There was plenty of bite to the game with no team holding back Peadar G came in for a lot of special attention delighted with the result shows there is a bit of life in the old dog yet ;) we will know better on saturday after the match against charlestown .Was talking to a few ballagh supporters and they were filling me in on the realationship ( or lack of it) between o' mahony and regan interesting to say the least .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
Looks like you've left it to ourselves and Ballina for who will be battling for 2nd place in the group then Deel.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 27, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
Looks like you've left it to ourselves and Ballina for who will be battling for 2nd place in the group then Deel.

Go on out of that Farrandeelin :) How did ye do yesterday ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 27, 2009, 07:12:54 PM
Quote from: mortified on April 27, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
just to settle a bet, can anyone tell me the last time mayo played in the bottom tier of the league, the person arguing with me is from sligo so not much credibility there

Fat Larry?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 27, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: mortified on April 27, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
just to settle a bet, can anyone tell me the last time mayo played in the bottom tier of the league, the person arguing with me is from sligo so not much credibility there
I don't know if they ever did.
I certainly don't recall them ever (dis)gracing the very bottom division.
They were in Div 3 in '96, the year they were to become good in the championships and had spent the season before in Div 2.
In later years they were to be found in Div 1B but that was based on geographical grounds and IA and IB were of equal merit.
(I'm using Willie Joe's excellent results archive to help out a dodgy memory here.)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on April 27, 2009, 08:58:14 PM
http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/228-2532884-512-288.smil

Pride of the Paris, nice program on GAA in Inishturk....its what GAA is all about.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on April 27, 2009, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 27, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: mortified on April 27, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
just to settle a bet, can anyone tell me the last time mayo played in the bottom tier of the league, the person arguing with me is from sligo so not much credibility there
I don't know if they ever did.
I certainly don't recall them ever (dis)gracing the very bottom division.
They were in Div 3 in '96, the year they were to become good in the championships and had spent the season before in Div 2.
In later years they were to be found in Div 1B but that was based on geographical grounds and IA and IB were of equal merit.
(I'm using Willie Joe's excellent results archive to help out a dodgy memory here.)

cheers, now to claim my money
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on April 27, 2009, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 27, 2009, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on April 27, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
appartently Nallen had a stormer yesterday when moved to midfield for Cross, did i hear right that McD came on in that game??

Mc started the game davitt man both he and barry regan scored 6 points a piece and were the pick of the players on view . Like you said Jimmy was excellent from mid field in the 2nd half we were seven points down at 1/2 time but held ballaghadreen to 1 point in the 2nd half while scoring 1-8 ourselves. There was plenty of bite to the game with no team holding back Peadar G came in for a lot of special attention delighted with the result shows there is a bit of life in the old dog yet ;) we will know better on saturday after the match against charlestown .Was talking to a few ballagh supporters and they were filling me in on the realationship ( or lack of it) between o' mahony and regan interesting to say the least .

Reagan and McDonald were two of the best, if not the two best, forwards in Mayo last year. Of course it can be said O Mahoney as manager can pick or choose who he likes for his squad. And he has. But the selection of a couple of chaffy forwards in the squad and leaving those two out borders on self-indulgence and if anything is a 2fingers to the common garden supporter in this county. Maybe I m being sniffy but I see it as being nothing short of disrespectful to the people who attend matches year in week out. I dont think anybody at this stage is still playing the preposterous rebuilding card. These calls were based on personal whim and pique and have nothing to do with team building or tactical approach or any noble justification one could wish to imagine Johnno might have.
Dara O Sé made his return to the big stage again at the weekend. Thing is with the resources Kerry have( debut 1994 - same as Mc) you would wonder is he needed. But he ll be there to settle the team, and he ll keep the fans reassured as well. When you look at the lightweight nature of our squad you would have to hope we dont meet Kerry - or even Cork - this year. To get rid of a player of Mc s stature and skill while he can still put 1 foot in front of another is the most puzzling thing I ve seen in a long time in this county. At least he could compete with the big boys. There s a few in that panel would be bet before they start.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 28, 2009, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 27, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
Looks like you've left it to ourselves and Ballina for who will be battling for 2nd place in the group then Deel.

Go on out of that Farrandeelin :) How did ye do yesterday ?

Ya hoor ya you probably know well. We lost by 3. Looked like skimpy young fellas all over the place. Then again, I'm comparing that team on Sunday to the 90s team we had. It's something one shouldn't do! :(

Regarding the McDonald issue, are we the only county in Ireland that has a panel named for the season. I mean do other counties not bring players in on and off during the championship?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 28, 2009, 08:36:17 AM

Ya hoor ya you probably know well.

:D :D :D i might have had an inkling Farandeelin
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 28, 2009, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 27, 2009, 08:58:14 PM
http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/228-2532884-512-288.smil
Pride of the Paris, nice program on GAA in Inishturk....its what GAA is all about.

I caught most of it. Great documentary, they were all very emotional at the end. Fair play, I think they were the smallest island in the competition.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on April 28, 2009, 10:56:35 AM
Lads

Are Mayo playing dublin in a challenege this week?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 02:22:21 PM
Sport  Higgins staying with hurlers
Higgins staying with hurlers 
Monday, 27 April 2009 
Higgins will be staying with hurlers when footballers fly off to Big Apple


Mike Finnerty

DUAL star Keith Higgins will not be travelling to New York with the Mayo senior football squad next month — because he will be lining out with the county hurlers in the Christy Ring Cup.
Higgins, who only returned from Australia last week, will play for the Mayo hurlers against Kerry on Saturday, May 9, just twenty-four hours before the county footballers take on New York at Gaelic Park.
"We're releasing Keith for the hurling championship match on the same weekend," Mayo football manager John O'Mahony told The Mayo News last night. "That's an important game for the hurlers and it makes sense for all concerned.
"Keith is back in training with us  and played for twenty minutes against Kildare in a challenge last week [see below]. It's going to take a few weeks for him to get up to speed again but I have no doubt that he'll catch up quickly.
"He won't be in New York with us but we're not staying in a training camp out there so it's not a major problem. He has to work on his fitness anyway so the hurling match should stand him in good stead."
However, Aidan O'Shea will be in New York for the opening round of the Connacht championship, and will be eligible to line out.
The 18 year old received a straight red card for striking during the second half of Breaffy's league defeat to Moy Davitts last Sunday. But the automatic four-week suspension does not rule him out of inter-county activity in the interim.
On the injury-front, Barry Moran, Tom Cunniffe, Trevor Howley, Mikey Sweeney and Kenneth O'Malley all sat out their club's league games last Sunday because of minor aches, pains and strains.
In fact, Barry Moran has only played five minutes of competitive football for Mayo in the last two months. "He's had a series of hamstring injuries," explained John O'Mahony. However, he did partake in some light training with the county squad last Saturday.
Conor Mortimer remains Mayo's most serious injury worry ahead of the Connacht semi-final on June 20 with a broken bone in his hand.
"The main thing is that we prepare for a normal championship match with New York," added the experienced Mayo manager. "They don't play in the National League and things can change from year to year with them, so we don't have a lot of information on them yet. But we'll prepare for them the same way as we would for any opponent."
Meanwhile, the Mayo senior footballers continued their preparations for the upcoming Connacht Championship campaign last week with a victory over Kildare in a 'typical challenge match' according to John O'Mahony.
A game of three-thirds under floodlights in Kiltoom last
Thursday evening saw the likes of James Nallen, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley and Kenneth O'Malley all get some much-needed game-time as John O'Mahony started with a team that was very similar to the one that lined out against Tyrone in the NFL recently.
However, David Heaney, Pat Harte, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea and Billy Joe Padden were all absent last Thursday evening for various reasons.

Surely leaving Keith Higgins at home isn't the way Mayo would prepare for any opponent  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 28, 2009, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 02:22:21 PM
Surely leaving Keith Higgins at home isn't the way Mayo would prepare for any opponent  ???

It might be pointless bringing him if he is not match fit. The hurling game would be a good workout for him I suppose.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on April 29, 2009, 02:08:24 AM
The New York game is a pointless exercise, and the last thing Keith wants to do is get back on a plane after spending the past six months travelling. It's funny how JOM makes it sound like he RELEASED Keith to play the hurling tie. He had no choice in the matter as Keith had informed the hurlers that he was with them all the way before he ever returned from Oz.



Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 05, 2009, 04:56:23 PM
Maughan is having a go at O Mahoney in the Mayo Advertiser... He is keeping him on his toes...


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Higgins for the hurlers
Mayo Advertiser, May 01, 2009.
Mayo Advertiser

By John Maughan

John O'Mahony and his senior management team are more than likely disappointed with Keith Higgins' decision to play hurling for Mayo rather than travel to NY for Mayo's championship opener on Sunday week. The Mayo hurlers will play Kerry in their championship opener on the same weekend. The talented corner- back has just returned to Ireland having spent a number of months in Australia. Keith did however line out last week in Mayo's challenge match against Kildare in Kiltoom. I expect that the Mayo management are delighted to have their ace defender back in plenty of time for the bigger challenges ahead, but would have liked if he could have travelled to the Big Apple for the weekend. However it should not have come as a huge surprise that he declared for the hurlers as Keith has always declared his love of hurling and it is no secret that it is his preferred game. This is the first time that both codes have clashed on a championship weekend, which is unfortunate as it has forced Keith to declare his preference. Coincidentally, I met with Martin Brennan, the Mayo county senior hurling manager, during the week who told me that he was thrilled that Keith opted to play in Mayo's Christy Ring Championship encounter with Kerry. It was not a total surprise to him either as he had been in touch with Keith frequently over the last number of weeks once he was aware of the imminent clash of fixtures.

Poor crowds and poor games

The National League finals in Croke Park at the weekend were pretty dismal. They had all the appearances of end of season, meaningless games. You would not have thought that there were league titles on offer. The paltry crowd didn't help either. There was an eerie atmosphere as a mere 20,000 supporters turned out to support the four teams. And as far as I could establish about 10,000 of those in attendance were down to support Monaghan. ( I would think that a large number of them wished they had stayed at home!) So the generous offer from GAA HQ to cut prices for stand tickets to €25 obviously wasn't really appreciated by the football fraternity. A more generous €10 entrance fee might have helped in generating a bigger crowd. There is an issue here that just may occupy the minds of those charged with providing quality GAA action at the concluding stages of our National Leagues. We were treated to better fare in earlier rounds of the competition when teams were fully focussed on either staying up in, reaching the higher divisions, or avoiding relegation to the lower ones. There will always be an argument surrounding the choice of venue for League finals. I thought there might have been a much better atmosphere in a tight compact ground like Portlaoise or Mullingar had the Division 1 and 2 finals been played in a venue like these. But then again there didn't appear to have been much of a problem in selecting a choice of seat in Pearse Park Longford on Saturday for the two other finals either, so I don't know what the solution is on this one? Anyway, Kerry as predicted here last week, won the Division 1 title, but I cant imagine any bonfires being lit around Killarney to celebrate this particular achievement. They rarely had to get out of second gear to overcome the challenge of Derry who in fairness did play occasionally in third gear. Kerry are little bit like Manchester Utd. In that they can play poorly and still manage a victory. Teams at this stage of the year are caught between a rock and a hard place. Most counties are in the middle of pretty intense preparations for the championship at the moment and while I am not suggesting that teams do not want to win league titles, it is just a fact of life that they are looking ahead at much bigger games a few short weeks away. Jack O'Connor would have left Croke Park arguably the happiest manager of the four as he now realises that he will have serious competition for team places come championship time. Remember his team lined out last Sunday with Tadhgh Kennelly, David Moran, and Darragh Ó Sé on the bench. What other team in the country has such a luxury? So while Sunday's encounter had all the appearances of an afternoon kick around, Kerry look to be more disciplined more focussed and a much hungrier side than the 2008 model. Others watch out!

Cork won the division 2 title in a canter. It's not often we hear a manager complain afterwards about the quality of opposition after a competitive encounter, but Conor Counihan flagged his disappointment about the poor challenge that Monaghan presented to his team. Cork were very impressive and they have improved considerably this year. While I am sticking my neck out in predicting at this early juncture that Kerry will win this year's All-Ireland, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if it is Cork that will prove their biggest threat during the summer months.

Had someone suggested to me last Saturday morning that the best entertainment of the weekend would come from the two lower divisional finals I would have questioned their credentials. But that is exactly what happened and it was Tipperary in particular that were the League's success story this year and, to a lesser extent, Sligo. They (Tipperary) appointed their current manager, John Evans, last year when they were rooted at the bottom of Division 4 with few signs of moving from the abyss. Declan Browne, their talismanic superstar, had just retired and there was no rush of applicants for the vacant managerial position. Within two seasons the enthusiastic Evans, in his first inter-county managerial role, has turned the fortunes of the Tipperary men right around and they now find themselves mixing it with the big boys. Who is to say that they wont replicate the achievements of last year's championships heroes, Wexford? Their victory in extra time over formidable opponents Down, was, for me, the highlight of the weekend's GAA action. On this team's journey home I suspect that there may have been a bonfire or two lit in their honour.

Local action heating up

After a couple rounds of the club league competition here in Mayo there is already a familiar pattern evolving with one or two exceptions: Breaffy and Castlebar will be particularly disappointed with their respective starts but I firmly believe that, with the quality of players available to both teams, injuries not withstanding, both teams will prove to be formidable opposition later this summer. I hear the dreaded hamstring curse has depleted the Castlebar squad which goes some way to explain their poor results in recent weeks. We in Crossmolina are not immune to this curse either with three of our players currently on the soft sofa. Crossmolina played Ballaghadereen in Charlestown last Sunday. We were half hoping that they might have travelled to Crossmolina as their pitch is currently GUR! However they nominated Charlestown as their choice of home venue. Ballaghadereen, as county champions, are a formidable outfit and we knew we would have our work cut out to beat them. They started the game without Andy Moran, who obviously had hoped to rest out this game. They deservedly led at half time, having played with the wind, on a scoreline of 10 pts to 3. To be honest we were disappointed heading to the dressing room at half time as there was only three points in it with five minutes of the half remaining. We felt that we would need a goal at some stage in the second half to get ourselves back into a winning position. That goal duly arrived midway through the second half from the boot of Cathal Carolan. The other catalyst to our changing fortunes was the great performance of the ever young James Nallen both at corner back in the first half but even more influentially, at midfield in the second. He continues to defy logic but is a great example to younger players, proving that good lifestyle management prolongs the engine capacity! We were, needless to say, happy to have come away with a victory but rest assured we won't be getting carried away with ourselves. With regard to Ballaghadereen there is no doubt in my mind that they are still a force to be reckoned with, and will be come championship time. In particular Barry Regan turned in a flawless performance of free-taking from the hand that could surely be an asset at a higher level! I was delighted to see Kevin Cahill involved with the Ballaghadereen set up. He was getting rather animated on a number of occasions during the game, something I hadn't witnessed during his playing days with Mayo. He is definitely displaying all the characteristics of a future team manager! Tomorrow evening we play Charlestown at home and right now they are the form team in the county. I watched them against Knockmore in Charlestown in the game preceding ours last Sunday and they were hugely impressive. They have a very well balanced outfit and appear to have quality players throughout the team. David 'Ginger' Tiernan is like a spring chicken these days. It is wonderful to see a player of his stature leading by example every other Sunday for his club.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on June 30, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
A radio documentary on mayo football that was aired last week, very good

Here is a direct link.

http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-270690-41m50s-doconone.mp3
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 30, 2009, 01:20:25 PM
I listened to the repeat last night, not bad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:20:06 PM
I believe it's about the failings since 1951. I've a book about it and don't want to hear it. So why don't we ever talk anything positive about Mayo football?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:20:06 PM
I believe it's about the failings since 1951. I've a book about it and don't want to hear it. So why don't we ever talk anything positive about Mayo football?

Its about more than that Farrandeelin.
Some good stuff about Ted Webb and interviews with JOM, Willie Joe Padden, TJ Kilgannon etc. Its a good listen if you have a few minutes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on July 02, 2009, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:20:06 PM
I believe it's about the failings since 1951. I've a book about it and don't want to hear it. So why don't we ever talk anything positive about Mayo football?

Its about more than that Farrandeelin.
Some good stuff about Ted Webb and interviews with JOM, Willie Joe Padden, TJ Kilgannon etc. Its a good listen if you have a few minutes.

Yeah but the overbearing theme is about how much heartbreak we've had, Ted Webb is linked to that. WJP, TJ etc are all interviewed about why we lost. It is a worthy subject because we've been more unlucky at the top level than anyone else but you wouldn't want to have to listen to it if you wanted your buzz lifted.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on July 21, 2009, 11:08:25 AM
Looking forward to the draw...

THE GAA have outlined details of the All-Ireland football quarter-final draw, which will take place in Thurles on Sunday evening, shortly after the second All-Ireland hurling quarter-final between Galway and Waterford. It marks a return to a more civilised hour following the late, late broadcast of last Sunday's fourth round qualifier draw – something which the GAA say "won't happen again".

The actual format of the quarter-finals will follow that of recent years in that the four provincial winners – Dublin, Cork, Tyrone and Mayo – will go into one bowl, and the four winners of the fourth-round qualifier in the other – Antrim or Kerry, Kildare/ Wicklow, Galway/Donegal, and Limerick/Meath or Roscommon.

The only precondition is the provincial finalist will be kept apart. Therefore, should Kildare beat Wicklow, they can't be drawn again against Dublin. Likewise, should Antrim beat Kerry, they can't be drawn against Tyrone, and similarly, if Galway beat Donegal, they can't meet the Connacht champions Mayo.

However, if Kerry win, they can be drawn against Cork again, as their previous meeting was in the provincial semi-final. Likewise, Dublin could well meet Meath again – should those teams progress.

While originally all four quarter-finals were due to be played on the weekend after next, August 1st/2nd, the delay to one of the fourth-round qualifiers – the meeting between Limerick and either Meath or Roscommon – means at least one of the quarter-finals will be postponed until the following weekend, August 8th/9th.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on July 21, 2009, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Davitt Man on July 21, 2009, 11:08:25 AM
Looking forward to the draw...

THE GAA have outlined details of the All-Ireland football quarter-final draw, which will take place in Thurles on Sunday evening, shortly after the second All-Ireland hurling quarter-final between Galway and Waterford. It marks a return to a more civilised hour following the late, late broadcast of last Sunday's fourth round qualifier draw – something which the GAA say "won't happen again".

The actual format of the quarter-finals will follow that of recent years in that the four provincial winners – Dublin, Cork, Tyrone and Mayo – will go into one bowl, and the four winners of the fourth-round qualifier in the other – Antrim or Kerry, Kildare/ Wicklow, Galway/Donegal, and Limerick/Meath or Roscommon.

The only precondition is the provincial finalist will be kept apart. Therefore, should Kildare beat Wicklow, they can't be drawn again against Dublin. Likewise, should Antrim beat Kerry, they can't be drawn against Tyrone, and similarly, if Galway beat Donegal, they can't meet the Connacht champions Mayo.

However, if Kerry win, they can be drawn against Cork again, as their previous meeting was in the provincial semi-final. Likewise, Dublin could well meet Meath again – should those teams progress.

While originally all four quarter-finals were due to be played on the weekend after next, August 1st/2nd, the delay to one of the fourth-round qualifiers – the meeting between Limerick and either Meath or Roscommon – means at least one of the quarter-finals will be postponed until the following weekend, August 8th/9th.



Obviously it was just an oversight that you didn't mention that Mayo could meet Roscommon again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on July 21, 2009, 04:22:06 PM
dont shoot the messenger, that piece is from the Irish Times
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on July 22, 2009, 09:51:51 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on July 21, 2009, 04:22:06 PM
dont shoot the messenger, that piece is from the Irish Times

I was justing baiting (batin'?) the Rossies.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on July 28, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
I see Kevin McStay is back penning an article in The Mayo News.
Good to see him back, I always liked reading his stuff when I'm meant to be working on a Tuesday morning.

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Mayo need to improve quickly


Kevin McStay

IT'S only a matter of living long enough – eventually you will see everything. And the GAA seems to insist that history repeats itself at every opportunity.
Mayo had five possible opponents lined up as the countdown began for the championship quarter-finals draw. I had a 'live feed' into the sitting room, and as each provincial winner was paired off with the round four loser, it soon became clear that fate would set us opposite our old friends from Meath. I peered out from behind the sofa and noted a smiling Christy Cooney – his Cork boys had avoided them but Mayo would face them down!
I know, I know – there is the not-so-small matter of Limerick for the Royals this weekend, but surely you can feel it in your bones? There can be little doubt! We might select Galway as our traditional rivals, the team we most enjoy beating, but for more recent generations of Mayo men, the possibility of meeting Meath will allow them park their animosity with the border badlands for a few weeks. Yep, count on it – we will be facing the county with which we have unfinished business from way back when. 
Personally, I felt matching up with Kerry would be the best result. We have a little recent history with them boys too, and if there is ever a good time to play the Kingdom, it is now. Various words are being used to describe their current state: dead men walking, weak pulse, long deep breaths – take your pick. But I felt if we wanted a psychological edge ('going forward!') the aristocrats were the boys for us. For now, we must mark time and see who emerges from the final qualifier game of 2009.

A Connacht final for the ages
FIRST, a look back at what was a Connacht final for the ages. The finale was fantastic but in the broad daylight of sober analysis, the end result failed to convince me either side were good enough, at this stage, to win the All-Ireland. Already, Galway have confirmed that opinion, and unless Mayo show substantial improvement, the semi-final will draw a line under this championship year.
Mayo won the Connacht final because their manager and the players needed the buoyancy of a title win more than Galway did.
I fancied Mayo all along, but had anticipated a five- or six-point win over their fiercest rivals. Such a winning margin would make a similar statement to the one announced by Cork during the replayed Munster championship game against Kerry.
Some days you have to stand up tall and scream your arrival on the main stage, and Mayo needed to do this against Galway once and for all. And with the Mayo men leading by seven points with eight minutes left on the clock, the message coming from Salthill was this is a different Mayo outfit.
At that stage all the Mayo midfielders and forwards had scored – the majority classy ones from play. The lazy, stale stereotype of Mayo footballers lining up outside Specsavers was not applicable on this day.
And Mayo had a wing back waiting to contribute on the scoreboard if things took a turn for the worse ... Mayo being Mayo, inevitably, they did. Set up defensively for the final quarter, they started to cynically foul at their own 45m line and beyond, and in doing so, 'invited' Galway on to them.
And then to put the tin hat on it, Mayo began a mini game of 'keep ball' with a full three minutes yet to be played. 'Keep ball' depends on speed of hand, movement, and pace, and the pretty obvious rider that you don't start that craic until the game is almost up – say a minute or so on the clock would be just about right. Mayo started showboating and there was still time for Michael Meehan to scorch the sod with a bullet to the net, and of course still time for the indefatigable Peadar Gardiner to score a beauty against a strong breeze.

We tick three of the four boxes
MAYO have strong prospects of making a real impact but that opinion is predicated on an immediate and serious improvement in just about all lines of the team.
John O'Mahony will know that, will know that most teams improve from the provincial cauldron, but the players must make things work from here on in. Mayo are physically in great shape with a lot of natural pace and athleticism to call on and so, if the football they play can match those standards, they will be fit for all-comers. If the football stays close to that we witnessed in Salthill, this journey will end at the semi-final stage and perhaps earlier.
It must be recalled that only two Galway players, Joe Bergin and Nicky Joyce, hit Connacht final standard. Meanwhile, their un-rated midfield won this key sector marginally. And playing poorly, Galway were level in time added on. Need I say more?
Mayo's full-forward line is far from the massive threat many observers are arguing. I said as much after the straightforward win over Roscommon when that inside line went missing for almost two-thirds of the game. In the provincial final, following an opening burst, only young O'Shea really measured up. A full forward line that scores 1-2 in total is hardly 'The Twin Towers Mark II'. Sure, the much-maligned Conor Mortimer scored that himself in the second half!
But Mayo has a very good defence, and if there is a place still up for grabs there, that competition will keep all on their toes. They were tight, tough and very mobile, with great covering evident throughout. But Mayo's midfield was disappointing.
On a day when they expected to dominate the Galway pairing, it just did not happen, and the introduction of Tom Parsons changed little in that area. Yes, both Heaney and McGarrity scored and contributed besides. But, not enough.
Plenty to be getting on with then; now is the time of the year to time your run to the summit – four or five real weeks of serious momentum could see a team in the All-Ireland final. Brian Clough, one of my favourite managers, always maintained that a winning team needed four elements: application and ability, discipline and determination. Mayo tick three of those boxes but the football ability needed to win All-Irelands needs to surface now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 28, 2009, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
I see Kevin McStay is back penning an article in The Mayo News.
Good to see him back, I always liked reading his stuff when I'm meant to be working on a Tuesday morning.



Different paper... almost the same article!

From the herald.ie (quoted here: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12733.msg600014#msg600014)

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 22, 2009, 03:59:30 PM

Herald.ie
Connacht finalists are unlikely to go all way
By Kevin McStay
Wednesday July 22 2009

...

I fancied Mayo all along, but had anticipated a five- or six-point win over their fiercest rivals. Something similar to the Cork statement during the replayed Munster championship game against Kerry. Some days you have to stand up tall and announce your arrival on stage and Mayo needed to do this against Galway once and for all. And with the Mayo men leading by seven points with eight minutes left on the clock, the message coming from Salthill was this was a different Mayo outfit.

At that stage, all the Mayo midfielders and forwards had scored; the majority were classy ones from play -- the lazy, stale stereotype of Mayo footballers lining up outside Specsavers was not applicable last Sunday. And Mayo had a wing back waiting to contribute on the scoreboard if things took a turn for the worse. And, with Mayo being Mayo, inevitably they did. They set up defensively for the final quarter and started to cynically foul at their own 45m line and beyond.

And then, to put the tin hat on it, they began a mini game of keep ball with a full three minutes yet to be played. Keep ball depends on speed of hand, movement and pace, and the pretty obvious rider that you don't start that craic until the game is almost up -- say a minute or so on the clock would be just about right. Mayo started showboating and there was still time for Michael Meehan to scorch the sod with a bullet to the net, and of course still time for the indefatigable Peadar Gardiner to score a beauty against a strong breeze.

Both teams have strong prospects of going further in this championship, but not the whole way. I expect Galway to beat Donegal this weekend and Mayo should be fit for all-comers out of the Round 4 bowl. But the journey will end for both at the semi-final stage unless immediate and substantial improvement arrives.


And the MayoNews...

Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
Mayo need to improve quickly
Kevin McStay

Mayo won the Connacht final because their manager and the players needed the buoyancy of a title win more than Galway did.
I fancied Mayo all along, but had anticipated a five- or six-point win over their fiercest rivals. Such a winning margin would make a similar statement to the one announced by Cork during the replayed Munster championship game against Kerry.
Some days you have to stand up tall and scream your arrival on the main stage, and Mayo needed to do this against Galway once and for all. And with the Mayo men leading by seven points with eight minutes left on the clock, the message coming from Salthill was this is a different Mayo outfit.
At that stage all the Mayo midfielders and forwards had scored – the majority classy ones from play. The lazy, stale stereotype of Mayo footballers lining up outside Specsavers was not applicable on this day.
And Mayo had a wing back waiting to contribute on the scoreboard if things took a turn for the worse ... Mayo being Mayo, inevitably, they did. Set up defensively for the final quarter, they started to cynically foul at their own 45m line and beyond, and in doing so, 'invited' Galway on to them.
And then to put the tin hat on it, Mayo began a mini game of 'keep ball' with a full three minutes yet to be played. 'Keep ball' depends on speed of hand, movement, and pace, and the pretty obvious rider that you don't start that craic until the game is almost up – say a minute or so on the clock would be just about right. Mayo started showboating and there was still time for Michael Meehan to scorch the sod with a bullet to the net, and of course still time for the indefatigable Peadar Gardiner to score a beauty against a strong breeze.

We tick three of the four boxes
MAYO have strong prospects of making a real impact but that opinion is predicated on an immediate and serious improvement in just about all lines of the team.



I suppose he is not the worst although I went hard on him lately because I dont think he gives Galway enough credit for their comeback lead by Bergan and Nicky Joyce who were fantastic. Also playing in Salthill is worth a few points to them... and as I said... the Cork team that he holds in such high regard (laying down this marker against Kerry) were lucky to scrape past Limerick....

But I can see that he is playing down our chances and you have to respect that I guess.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 28, 2009, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
...
McStay
...
Brian Clough, one of my favourite managers, always maintained that a winning team needed four elements: application and ability, discipline and determination. Mayo tick three of those boxes but the football ability needed to win All-Irelands needs to surface now.

Thats a great quote...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on July 29, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
Some might think McStay is a bit of a pessimist about Mayo from time to time (I think he's just trying to keep expectations realistic) at least he doesn't go to the other extreme like Anthony Hennigan in this week's Western. We won the Connacht final by 1 point, against a Gaway team proven to be mediocre by their subsequent loss to Donegal and supporters calling for Sammon to step down.

Yet in the Western, the lead sport article looks forward to the possibility of a Mayo v Tyrone All-Ireland final  ::)
Is it any wonder people lose the run of themselves when this is what's written in the local media

Quote
Mayo for Sam? It's just a matter of time, says Harte
By: Anthony Hennigan

A MAYO versus Tyrone All-Ireland final? "It's not unthinkable that it would happen," admits Tyrone boss, Mickey Harte. Okay, so there's an awful lot of football to be played in the meantime, with both teams only finding out their quarter-final opponents on Sunday night last, but placed on opposite sides of the semi-final draw, two wins apiece for both teams would guarantee that exact pairing on the third Sunday of September.

"If we manage it I don't mind who's there. If we can get to the final it would be great, I'll be delighted, but it's one step at a time," Harte told the Western People, as Mayo were drawn to play the winners of next weekend's Meath/Limerick All-Ireland Championship Round 4 qualifier.


"Mayo are on the other side of the draw from us and it's not unthinkable that it would happen. Cork, Kerry, Dublin all have designs on that too, but we'll wait and see. It could be interesting," stated the three-times All-Ireland winning Tyrone boss, his team due to face Kildare in one of next weekend's three quarterfinals. The fourth will involve Mayo one week later.


On the same day (last Sunday week) that Tyrone defeated Antrim to regain their Ulster senior football crown, Mayo had a much tighter scrap, in Salthill, beating Galway to the Nestor Cup. With it being their first provincial title win in three years, that victory represented progress for the Green and Red, however, Mickey Harte says he has noticed definite improvements in Mayo football over a much longer period.


"I've seen progress in so far as Mayo are always there or thereabouts, and bringing on new players and still staying there or thereabouts. Their team has gone through quite a transition maybe in the last 10 years, but all the while they're still up there near the top table, maybe just not making that final breakthrough. But that's a strong basis from which to make your next step. They're in a much stronger position than most other teams.


"Many people cite this example of how many finals Mayo have lost as if it's a negative thing but in many ways it's a very positive thing because who else has that to acclaim, that they lost that many finals? They can't, because they were never in them. It's all about how you look at these things. It's (for Mayo) to be positive about what they've done," he insists.



Mickey Harte joined Kilkenny hurling boss Brian Cody, Ireland's triple crown winning coach Declan Kidney and three-times Major winner Padraig Harrington as a guest speaker at 'Preparing to Perform', last Saturday's multi-sports conference at Dublin's City West Hotel.


Prior to becoming senior boss, Mickey Harte oversaw the All-Ireland success of Tyrone's minor and U-21 winning teams and sees no reason why Mayo can't build on their similar achievements. The Green and Red contested numerous minor and U-21 All-Irelands around the turn of the Millennium but much more recently, were 2006 All-Ireland U-21 winners, finalists in 2004, and contested both the 2005 and 2008 minor finals, losing only after a replay last year to Harte's home county, Tyrone. So why is Mayo yet to progress it's All-Ireland successes at underage and club grades to success at senior level?


"Yet is the word you've used, so that's an optimistic word and it means you're on the way to doing it and I think that's the way you've got to look at it," observes Mickey Harte.


"It doesn't matter what's happened in the past, that's history now and you can't change that. The only thing you can change is the present which will give you a different future.


"I think it's about people dealing with where they're at, believing that the success that they've had is the building block or blocks for success further and again, just learning from the success they've had and bringing that to the next level.


"The basis for quality is there in Mayo. They've always been there or thereabouts and they've proved at underage that they can do it. It's just a matter of time, it's not a matter of can they do it, it's a matter of when they do it."



All-Ireland SFC draw


All-Ireland SFC Quarter-finals


• Mayo v Meath or Limerick


• Cork v Donegal


• Tyrone v Kildare


• Dublin v Kerry


All-Ireland SFC Semi-finals


• Mayo or Meath or Limerick v Dublin or Kerry


• Cork or Donegal v Tyrone or Kildare

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 29, 2009, 12:24:21 PM
There is a comment on a post on the HoganStand that said Barry Moran broke his wrist at training last night.
I doubt its true, I hope its not...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on July 29, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
There is also one saying Ger Cafferkey is going to St Kilda on a 2-year contract  ??? ???
Surely that's BS - I'd have thought he's too old, hasn't the pace or physicality.

Edit - that's not meant as a criticism of Ger by the way! He has been excellent at FB all year and it would be a major setback if he was to go anywhere.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 29, 2009, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 29, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
Some might think McStay is a bit of a pessimist about Mayo from time to time (I think he's just trying to keep expectations realistic) at least he doesn't go to the other extreme like Anthony Hennigan in this week's Western. We won the Connacht final by 1 point, against a Gaway team proven to be mediocre by their subsequent loss to Donegal and supporters calling for Sammon to step down.

Yet in the Western, the lead sport article looks forward to the possibility of a Mayo v Tyrone All-Ireland final  ::)
Is it any wonder people lose the run of themselves when this is what's written in the local media

Going back to you point about the local media, the hype machine locally is unbelievable.
It sells papers I know, but some of the build ups can be overbearing.

Look at me talking about build ups after reading that article  ::)

We are only in a quarter final, and we dont even know who we are playing yet.
I think the Dublin, Tyrone, Cork or Kerry still have an edge on us, some more so than others, so talk of and All Ireland final against Tyrone is premature.

If anything previous outings has thought us; its to be less naive.
JOM has been good at keeping expectations low in his interviews, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on July 29, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
just as well you got your apology in before the ballina mafia put a hit out on you
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on July 29, 2009, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 29, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
just as well you got your apology in before the ballina mafia put a hit out on you

I'd agree with him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
Yeah, I couldn't believe the heading in ths sports pages of the Western yesterday when I opened it. The thing is, there's people who know nothing about football who 'buy in' to the hype that has come around and it is really annoying.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on July 29, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
Yeah, I couldn't believe the heading in ths sports pages of the Western yesterday when I opened it. The thing is, there's people who know nothing about football who 'buy in' to the hype that has come around and it is really annoying.

That article by Hennigan is a joke! Have they no cop on at all and keep a lid on things never mind banging on about an all-ireland final and us only in the quarters yet
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on July 29, 2009, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
Yeah, I couldn't believe the heading in ths sports pages of the Western yesterday when I opened it. The thing is, there's people who know nothing about football who 'buy in' to the hype that has come around and it is really annoying.
thats the championship .
if these people didnt 'nuy in'  thered be the 1000 or so in croke park that turned up to watch derry.
rember how bleak things seemed that day
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 30, 2009, 02:23:08 AM

In fairness to the locals they do stir up interest. And they do a 'good cop/bad cop' take on things. One piece builds expectations up and another - like McStays column [ which I find little wrong with] dampens things down a bit. Most papers run with this formula. So what? There selling a product. I d say Mayo football season is a big seller for them.

If, if the performance of our county team is affected by stuff written in papers and by the people that read this and are informed by hype [ I m hearing gospel already from men that have nt been at a county game since 96/97 ], there s no hope for us. Johnno s forté, as has always been advanced, is supposedly that of a man that can focus a team on the big picture. This is his time. He s brought this team into open country this year. The field is open if we re good enough to make a semi or a final. He s done this before. f**k the hype. Cant believe we re still talking about this kind of shite 20 years later. We re either good enough or not. Hype is no excuse if we come up short.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 30, 2009, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2009, 02:23:08 AM
He s done this before. f**k the hype. Cant believe we re still talking about this kind of shite 20 years later. We re either good enough or not. Hype is no excuse if we come up short.

I wouldnt wholly agree there. Hype can be a factor in a teams performance.

Look at Dublin in recent years: Every tabloid and broad sheet having pages and pages dedicated to them. Turning average players into heros and them believing their own hype. It has a negative effect on Dublins performance.

England in any world cup or big tournaments: again tabloids have a part to play in hyping players up causing a pressure cooker, where they always crack.

Mayo in the latter stages of the All Ireland series: Local paper, Mad Whest hype machine, again creating pressure and harping on about the famine since '50 and '51. All to ill effect.

Its easy say, f**k the hype but its not that easy in practice. County players should try and avoid it at all costs... Jack O Connor used to take the phones off the players the day before the match. Also Donaghy I remember reading about Donaghy in The Keys to the Kingdom (I think it was that book but it could have been an article).

I found the quote;

"I don't pay much attention to the stuff that's written about me. I've been staying away from the papers. My mother, Deirdre, has been collecting them for me, though, and I might have a look at them when the championship is over.

Media coverage is part and parcel of the game and I have no problem with that. But it would be very easy to believe in all the hype. If you did that, you'd be setting yourself up for a big fall, he says."


Kieran Donaghy - 2006
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Sure MWR are in on the hype now. The 'Sam Maguire my heart's on fire' song was played last night! :-\
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on July 30, 2009, 12:45:44 PM
QuoteSure MWR are in on the hype now. The 'Sam Maguire my heart's on fire' song was played last night!

LOL - ah you have to laugh  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on July 30, 2009, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2009, 12:45:44 PM
QuoteSure MWR are in on the hype now. The 'Sam Maguire my heart's on fire' song was played last night!

LOL - ah you have to laugh  :D

What song is this - any links for it?

I love the cringe factor in GAA songs, anyone remember Doc's in 1989? :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 30, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 30, 2009, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2009, 02:23:08 AM
He s done this before. f**k the hype. Cant believe we re still talking about this kind of shite 20 years later. We re either good enough or not. Hype is no excuse if we come up short.

I wouldnt wholly agree there. Hype can be a factor in a teams performance.

Look at Dublin in recent years: Every tabloid and broad sheet having pages and pages dedicated to them. Turning average players into heros and them believing their own hype. It has a negative effect on Dublins performance.

England in any world cup or big tournaments: again tabloids have a part to play in hyping players up causing a pressure cooker, where they always crack.

Mayo in the latter stages of the All Ireland series: Local paper, Mad Whest hype machine, again creating pressure and harping on about the famine since '50 and '51. All to ill effect.

Its easy say, f**k the hype but its not that easy in practice. County players should try and avoid it at all costs... Jack O Connor used to take the phones off the players the day before the match. Also Donaghy I remember reading about Donaghy in The Keys to the Kingdom (I think it was that book but it could have been an article).

I found the quote;

"I don't pay much attention to the stuff that's written about me. I've been staying away from the papers. My mother, Deirdre, has been collecting them for me, though, and I might have a look at them when the championship is over.

Media coverage is part and parcel of the game and I have no problem with that. But it would be very easy to believe in all the hype. If you did that, you'd be setting yourself up for a big fall, he says."


Kieran Donaghy - 2006


Exactly what I was trying to say. If a team believes the hype then there s no hope. Dublin and England may be daft enough to buy into the shite but thats tough. Or maybe they have nt been good enough. There s hype and hysteria in Italy and Brazil as well - but they still win. There s probably more talk about football in Kerry than anywhere else, yet they rise above it. Donaghy s quote informative. I would expect Mayo players to be similarly mature. Have we doubts about some of them?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on July 30, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Exactly what I was trying to say. If a team believes the hype then there s no hope. Dublin and England may be daft enough to buy into the shite but thats tough. Or maybe they have nt been good enough. There s hype and hysteria in Italy and Brazil as well - but they still win. There s probably more talk about football in Kerry than anywhere else, yet they rise above it. Donaghy s quote informative. I would expect Mayo players to be similarly mature. Have we doubts about some of them?

Id have my doubts about a few but there isnt much point in going there!

The hype pressure cooker in Mayo is based around articles and Mad Whest belting on about the long wait since '51.
Even that piece on Mayo football on RTE radio the last day was a prime example of it.

It starts:
"Every year since 1951 Mayo fans have been left holding their faces in their hands as the countys best have failed to cross the winning line yet again..."

"3 generations of Mayo have suffered and mourned in this valley of tears, but yet the dreams begin anew each year..."
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-270609-41m50s-doconone.mp3

FFS... that kind of shite, loser talk is all part of the hype and build up we have seen in the build us. Its no good for anyone.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 30, 2009, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 30, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Exactly what I was trying to say. If a team believes the hype then there s no hope. Dublin and England may be daft enough to buy into the shite but thats tough. Or maybe they have nt been good enough. There s hype and hysteria in Italy and Brazil as well - but they still win. There s probably more talk about football in Kerry than anywhere else, yet they rise above it. Donaghy s quote informative. I would expect Mayo players to be similarly mature. Have we doubts about some of them?

Id have my doubts about a few but there isnt much point in going there!

The hype pressure cooker in Mayo is based around articles and Mad Whest belting on about the long wait since '51.
Even that piece on Mayo football on RTE radio the last day was a prime example of it.

It starts:
"Every year since 1951 Mayo fans have been left holding their faces in their hands as the countys best have failed to cross the winning line yet again..."

"3 generations of Mayo have suffered and mourned in this valley of tears, but yet the dreams begin anew each year..."
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-270609-41m50s-doconone.mp3

FFS... that kind of shite, loser talk is all part of the hype and build up we have seen in the build us. Its no good for anyone.



True. True, but its not going to go away any time soon. Everybody knows its there so it has to be dealt with by management and players. Johnno famously said that he d have loved to have been in charge in the run -up to 06 final. Now is the time for him to do his stuff. As I said he s done all this before.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
I never left anywhere with my head in my hands. I only use a couple of expletives at certain players, refs, management on the journey home.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 09, 2009, 03:48:02 PM
truce is well over let the executions begin
will jom last the night.
Ill hold off in case ii say some I regret but fuuck
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on August 10, 2009, 08:58:19 PM
Beer last night Ros?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
JOM won't be found wanting he says. Despite that terrible performance yesterday he's determined to stay on for another 2 years.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: downgirl on August 10, 2009, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
JOM won't be found wanting he says. Despite that terrible performance yesterday he's determined to stay on for another 2 years.

Sure Ross Carr didn't want to step down either so who knows what will happen?!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on August 10, 2009, 11:20:51 PM
I would be gutted to see JO'M leave. We can't keep changing managers when we don't get instant success.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 11, 2009, 12:56:24 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2009, 11:20:51 PM
I would be gutted to see JO'M leave. We can't keep changing managers when we don't get instant success.
instanst sucess , 3 fricking years and not an ounce of progress.
he takes over all ireland finalist and leaves a team losing a quater final that was there for the taking.
the wrong man gt the job for the wrong reasons replacing a a man sacked for the wrong reasons, I think mayo have been overgenerous to this dinosaur for too long.
If a manager can not get the best or anything like it out of his team  as the games get bigger he should know himself his time is up. maybe our best hope is an early election and he ewont be so worried about protecting his seat after that and give mayo a chance to start again
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 11, 2009, 07:05:35 AM
Who would you install as the manager in his place Ros?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 11, 2009, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 11, 2009, 12:56:24 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2009, 11:20:51 PM
I would be gutted to see JO'M leave. We can't keep changing managers when we don't get instant success.
instanst sucess , 3 fricking years and not an ounce of progress.
he takes over all ireland finalist and leaves a team losing a quater final that was there for the taking.
the wrong man gt the job for the wrong reasons replacing a a man sacked for the wrong reasons, I think mayo have been overgenerous to this dinosaur for too long.
If a manager can not get the best or anything like it out of his team  as the games get bigger he should know himself his time is up. maybe our best hope is an early election and he ewont be so worried about protecting his seat after that and give mayo a chance to start again

** yawns **  ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
Quote from: stephenite on August 11, 2009, 07:05:35 AM
Who would you install as the manager in his place Ros?

James Horan.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 11, 2009, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
Quote from: stephenite on August 11, 2009, 07:05:35 AM
Who would you install as the manager in his place Ros?

James Horan.

maybe he seems to be coming on well or TJ Kilgallon a straight up kinda of guy who i feel would iron out some of the crinkles of some of the young guys.
though i think what we may need is a new face to the scene who would not have the inbuilt prejudices and blind spots we all have .
and maybe bring back some of the player with huge promise that seem to have fallen though the net . im thinking the kilcullens a campbell p hanely and others ( no not CMD thats ancient history now) and maybe restore some of our better players to their rightful positions .some one like mickey ned o sullivan or some crochety ff'er like Joe kernan
though i think the die is already cast with holmes and connelly waiting in the wings
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 12, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
Quote from: stephenite on August 11, 2009, 07:05:35 AM
Who would you install as the manager in his place Ros?

James Horan.

Nigel Reape  ;)  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 12, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 13, 2009, 02:25:12 PM
I'd imagine dempsey has to be clear favourite to get the job after JOM. I can't see any other candidate from within the county. As for TJ, catch a grip. I'd say he doesn't even want the job. Where do these random thoughts come out of?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 13, 2009, 02:35:02 PM
And how would a new manager get pearce hanley back? Thats hardly JOM'S fault, not that you'd let that get in the way of ur bias
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 13, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 13, 2009, 02:25:12 PM
I'd imagine dempsey has to be clear favourite to get the job after JOM. I can't see any other candidate from within the county. As for TJ, catch a grip. I'd say he doesn't even want the job. Where do these random thoughts come out of?

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 13, 2009, 02:35:02 PM
And how would a new manager get pearce hanley back? Thats hardly JOM'S fault, not that you'd let that get in the way of ur bias

Dont even entertain him!  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 13, 2009, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 13, 2009, 02:35:02 PM
And how would a new manager get pearce hanley back? Thats hardly JOM'S fault, not that you'd let that get in the way of ur bias
nothing to do with JOM but his contract is up have heard it it was being renewed. abit of encouragement could go a long way.
So what  do people suggest leave Omahoney there cause were doomed anyway? there are dozens of managers outhere worth trying and they couldn't do a whole lot worse than the current one
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
I just read over the thread now and it appears the 3 year time-frame Mayo4Sam had given O'Mahony initially has run out. Will he call for his head. It's on Page 2/3 in this thread. :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 14, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.

I've argued with you before on this Moysider so I guess I'll have to do so again :P

We have done very well with this Under 21 team. True, when we got to the All-Ireland series we have only won one All-Ireland but bear in mind that it was our first All-Ireland at any level since 1985. Also none of these lads had ever won a Connacht minor title, with the exception of O'Shea, Freeman, Hennelly etc this year. So it is not as if we had teams who had won all before them. We had lads with ability, true, but to win four in a row deserves serious commendation. I know you have made the point about certain players not being picked and I'd have to agree with you on a lot of them. But what I really like about the teams Holmes and Connelly send out are how they get them playing fairly close to the peak of their powers nearly all the time. They weren't hectic when they started out in Leitrim in 2006 but they stuck at it and won narrow games against Tyrone and Cork to win an All-Ireland a lot of other Mayo teams of greater ability wouldn't have been able to do. We've seen character in our under 21 teams not often seen in other Mayo teams.

I'm not saying Holmes and Connelly should be the next Mayo management at senior level but they certainly bring something to the table, particularly Connelly. Perhaps part of an overall management team. Again that's not a discussion for now with O'Mahony waiting on but woudln't it be great if he brought Connelly on this year as an extra selector? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 14, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
I just read over the thread now and it appears the 3 year time-frame Mayo4Sam had given O'Mahony initially has run out. Will he call for his head. It's on Page 2/3 in this thread. :)

Stabbed in the back by one of my own, to close to the town and ardagh i fear  ;)

I think JOM still has a work in progress, we have made improvement over the past 3 years, we have a good young team. I would be more than happy to keep him there for another 2 years.

It's ironic that the FF ones who claim that theres no alternative in government should be on the opposite side of the fence when it comes to football, i.e. anybody could do a better job/nobody could do worse
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 07:19:49 PM
Quotesome one like mickey ned o sullivan

Jesus, the Limerick lads would pay for the taxi up to Mayo if they thought ye'd take him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 14, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
I just read over the thread now and it appears the 3 year time-frame Mayo4Sam had given O'Mahony initially has run out. Will he call for his head. It's on Page 2/3 in this thread. :)

Stabbed in the back by one of my own, to close to the town and ardagh i fear  ;)

I think JOM still has a work in progress, we have made improvement over the past 3 years, we have a good young team. I would be more than happy to keep him there for another 2 years.

It's ironic that the FF ones who claim that theres no alternative in government should be on the opposite side of the fence when it comes to football, i.e. anybody could do a better job/nobody could do worse

It's not my fault the parish is so big! :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 14, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 14, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.

I've argued with you before on this Moysider so I guess I'll have to do so again :P

We have done very well with this Under 21 team. True, when we got to the All-Ireland series we have only won one All-Ireland but bear in mind that it was our first All-Ireland at any level since 1985. Also none of these lads had ever won a Connacht minor title, with the exception of O'Shea, Freeman, Hennelly etc this year. So it is not as if we had teams who had won all before them. We had lads with ability, true, but to win four in a row deserves serious commendation. I know you have made the point about certain players not being picked and I'd have to agree with you on a lot of them. But what I really like about the teams Holmes and Connelly send out are how they get them playing fairly close to the peak of their powers nearly all the time. They weren't hectic when they started out in Leitrim in 2006 but they stuck at it and won narrow games against Tyrone and Cork to win an All-Ireland a lot of other Mayo teams of greater ability wouldn't have been able to do. We've seen character in our under 21 teams not often seen in other Mayo teams.

I'm not saying Holmes and Connelly should be the next Mayo management at senior level but they certainly bring something to the table, particularly Connelly. Perhaps part of an overall management team. Again that's not a discussion for now with O'Mahony waiting on but woudln't it be great if he brought Connelly on this year as an extra selector? Any thoughts?

I m not really aware of what Connelly brings to the table - steel, fire and brimstone? I dont really know.

I honestly think Johnno should bring in new faces and new voices - a different perspective.

I ll stick to my guns on the the U21 debate. I think we need to distinguish good management and good fortune. There was a certain amount of fortune in 06 on way to winning  that AI, as there was this year to beat Ros. What we have been failing to do at senior for  half a century is convert Connachts into AIs. This management seems to be the same failing to reach another final. You d think they would be able to repeat the trick if they knew how to do it. The laois and Down teams they lost to were very beatable.

While those lads had not won before and after them at minor I dont think anybody wants to go there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 15, 2009, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 14, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.

I've argued with you before on this Moysider so I guess I'll have to do so again :P

We have done very well with this Under 21 team. True, when we got to the All-Ireland series we have only won one All-Ireland but bear in mind that it was our first All-Ireland at any level since 1985. Also none of these lads had ever won a Connacht minor title, with the exception of O'Shea, Freeman, Hennelly etc this year. So it is not as if we had teams who had won all before them. We had lads with ability, true, but to win four in a row deserves serious commendation. I know you have made the point about certain players not being picked and I'd have to agree with you on a lot of them. But what I really like about the teams Holmes and Connelly send out are how they get them playing fairly close to the peak of their powers nearly all the time. They weren't hectic when they started out in Leitrim in 2006 but they stuck at it and won narrow games against Tyrone and Cork to win an All-Ireland a lot of other Mayo teams of greater ability wouldn't have been able to do. We've seen character in our under 21 teams not often seen in other Mayo teams.

I'm not saying Holmes and Connelly should be the next Mayo management at senior level but they certainly bring something to the table, particularly Connelly. Perhaps part of an overall management team. Again that's not a discussion for now with O'Mahony waiting on but woudln't it be great if he brought Connelly on this year as an extra selector? Any thoughts?

I m not really aware of what Connelly brings to the table - steel, fire and brimstone? I dont really know.

I honestly think Johnno should bring in new faces and new voices - a different perspective.

I ll stick to my guns on the the U21 debate. I think we need to distinguish good management and good fortune. There was a certain amount of fortune in 06 on way to winning  that AI, as there was this year to beat Ros. What we have been failing to do at senior for  half a century is convert Connachts into AIs. This management seems to be the same failing to reach another final. You d think they would be able to repeat the trick if they knew how to do it. The laois and Down teams they lost to were very beatable.

While those lads had not won before and after them at minor I dont think anybody wants to go there.

I'm sure you and I have different opinions on how beneficial Connelly's attributes would be. I think he brings a badly needed determination and passion that we often lack. He was a great leader as a player, whilst of limited enough ability, and he'll bring that to the sideline too. Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher bring certain qualities to the table but I fear that they won't bring as much passion as Connelly might. But O'Mahony won't bring him in because he'd be too much of his own man . . .

I think there was luck against Tyrone in 2006 because they were the second best team. But, honestly, how often are Mayo the second best team and win? Very rarely. Luck played a part but they showed character too, something management have to take credit for. Roscommon, this year, was pure luck though. Jammy goal and a game we probably threw away prior to that.

I think too that the fact that the under 21s as minors had won feck all is very notable. Sure, we don't have to look at the cause of why they didn't, we could take all night about that. But we can look at the effect that has. They aren't used to winning and they've had less games at a higher level than lads who might win provincial titles. You can only see the benefit last year's minors had from playing so many games and how they improved as a team and individuals as they went along. Most of the players that holmes and connelly had at under 21 didn't have that luxury. It's a very salient point in my opinion.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 15, 2009, 02:49:34 PM
David Brady taking over from Kieran Gallagher as a selector with Mayo
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 15, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 15, 2009, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 14, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.

I've argued with you before on this Moysider so I guess I'll have to do so again :P

We have done very well with this Under 21 team. True, when we got to the All-Ireland series we have only won one All-Ireland but bear in mind that it was our first All-Ireland at any level since 1985. Also none of these lads had ever won a Connacht minor title, with the exception of O'Shea, Freeman, Hennelly etc this year. So it is not as if we had teams who had won all before them. We had lads with ability, true, but to win four in a row deserves serious commendation. I know you have made the point about certain players not being picked and I'd have to agree with you on a lot of them. But what I really like about the teams Holmes and Connelly send out are how they get them playing fairly close to the peak of their powers nearly all the time. They weren't hectic when they started out in Leitrim in 2006 but they stuck at it and won narrow games against Tyrone and Cork to win an All-Ireland a lot of other Mayo teams of greater ability wouldn't have been able to do. We've seen character in our under 21 teams not often seen in other Mayo teams.

I'm not saying Holmes and Connelly should be the next Mayo management at senior level but they certainly bring something to the table, particularly Connelly. Perhaps part of an overall management team. Again that's not a discussion for now with O'Mahony waiting on but woudln't it be great if he brought Connelly on this year as an extra selector? Any thoughts?

I m not really aware of what Connelly brings to the table - steel, fire and brimstone? I dont really know.

I honestly think Johnno should bring in new faces and new voices - a different perspective.

I ll stick to my guns on the the U21 debate. I think we need to distinguish good management and good fortune. There was a certain amount of fortune in 06 on way to winning  that AI, as there was this year to beat Ros. What we have been failing to do at senior for  half a century is convert Connachts into AIs. This management seems to be the same failing to reach another final. You d think they would be able to repeat the trick if they knew how to do it. The laois and Down teams they lost to were very beatable.

While those lads had not won before and after them at minor I dont think anybody wants to go there.

I'm sure you and I have different opinions on how beneficial Connelly's attributes would be. I think he brings a badly needed determination and passion that we often lack. He was a great leader as a player, whilst of limited enough ability, and he'll bring that to the sideline too. Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher bring certain qualities to the table but I fear that they won't bring as much passion as Connelly might. But O'Mahony won't bring him in because he'd be too much of his own man . . .

I think there was luck against Tyrone in 2006 because they were the second best team. But, honestly, how often are Mayo the second best team and win? Very rarely. Luck played a part but they showed character too, something management have to take credit for. Roscommon, this year, was pure luck though. Jammy goal and a game we probably threw away prior to that.

I think too that the fact that the under 21s as minors had won feck all is very notable. Sure, we don't have to look at the cause of why they didn't, we could take all night about that. But we can look at the effect that has. They aren't used to winning and they've had less games at a higher level than lads who might win provincial titles. You can only see the benefit last year's minors had from playing so many games and how they improved as a team and individuals as they went along. Most of the players that holmes and connelly had at under 21 didn't have that luxury. It's a very salient point in my opinion.

Our minors were very poor between Keane and Dempsey. Some of the current seniors cut their teeth in those years.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 16, 2009, 12:01:24 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 15, 2009, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 14, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2009, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 12, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 12, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.

I've argued with you before on this Moysider so I guess I'll have to do so again :P

We have done very well with this Under 21 team. True, when we got to the All-Ireland series we have only won one All-Ireland but bear in mind that it was our first All-Ireland at any level since 1985. Also none of these lads had ever won a Connacht minor title, with the exception of O'Shea, Freeman, Hennelly etc this year. So it is not as if we had teams who had won all before them. We had lads with ability, true, but to win four in a row deserves serious commendation. I know you have made the point about certain players not being picked and I'd have to agree with you on a lot of them. But what I really like about the teams Holmes and Connelly send out are how they get them playing fairly close to the peak of their powers nearly all the time. They weren't hectic when they started out in Leitrim in 2006 but they stuck at it and won narrow games against Tyrone and Cork to win an All-Ireland a lot of other Mayo teams of greater ability wouldn't have been able to do. We've seen character in our under 21 teams not often seen in other Mayo teams.

I'm not saying Holmes and Connelly should be the next Mayo management at senior level but they certainly bring something to the table, particularly Connelly. Perhaps part of an overall management team. Again that's not a discussion for now with O'Mahony waiting on but woudln't it be great if he brought Connelly on this year as an extra selector? Any thoughts?

I m not really aware of what Connelly brings to the table - steel, fire and brimstone? I dont really know.

I honestly think Johnno should bring in new faces and new voices - a different perspective.

I ll stick to my guns on the the U21 debate. I think we need to distinguish good management and good fortune. There was a certain amount of fortune in 06 on way to winning  that AI, as there was this year to beat Ros. What we have been failing to do at senior for  half a century is convert Connachts into AIs. This management seems to be the same failing to reach another final. You d think they would be able to repeat the trick if they knew how to do it. The laois and Down teams they lost to were very beatable.

While those lads had not won before and after them at minor I dont think anybody wants to go there.

I'm sure you and I have different opinions on how beneficial Connelly's attributes would be. I think he brings a badly needed determination and passion that we often lack. He was a great leader as a player, whilst of limited enough ability, and he'll bring that to the sideline too. Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher bring certain qualities to the table but I fear that they won't bring as much passion as Connelly might. But O'Mahony won't bring him in because he'd be too much of his own man . . .

I think there was luck against Tyrone in 2006 because they were the second best team. But, honestly, how often are Mayo the second best team and win? Very rarely. Luck played a part but they showed character too, something management have to take credit for. Roscommon, this year, was pure luck though. Jammy goal and a game we probably threw away prior to that.

I think too that the fact that the under 21s as minors had won feck all is very notable. Sure, we don't have to look at the cause of why they didn't, we could take all night about that. But we can look at the effect that has. They aren't used to winning and they've had less games at a higher level than lads who might win provincial titles. You can only see the benefit last year's minors had from playing so many games and how they improved as a team and individuals as they went along. Most of the players that holmes and connelly had at under 21 didn't have that luxury. It's a very salient point in my opinion.

Our minors were very poor between Keane and Dempsey. Some of the current seniors cut their teeth in those years.

I don't quite see what you're saying?? The minors were poor in those years, hence how the Under 21s achievements should be heightened . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 16, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
Stephenite where is this Brady for Gallagher story coming from?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Barney on August 16, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
Stephenite where is this Brady for Gallagher story coming from?

Swinford is my source on thie one.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 16, 2009, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Barney on August 16, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
Stephenite where is this Brady for Gallagher story coming from?

Swinford is my source on thie one.

Oh you are actually serious? Jaysus I can't buy that one.
Title: Mayo
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 16, 2009, 11:46:03 AM
It would not surprise me if brady was involved .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 16, 2009, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Barney on August 16, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
Stephenite where is this Brady for Gallagher story coming from?

Swinford is my source on thie one.

Oh you are actually serious? Jaysus I can't buy that one.

The guy who told me is genuine, I've no idea whether or not his info is correct.

Apparently Gallagher is stepping down, O'Mahoney wants DB to replace him.

Could be true, could be shite.
Title: Mayo
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 16, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
He might have to go camping out side his house in order to get him involved . Brady will hardly want to loose his t v 3 gig . Could be tough contract talks ahead .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on August 16, 2009, 12:07:30 PM
Jesus, I dont know about Brady. I know he's always been a big talker in the dressing room and can be quite good at pumping players up before games, but I'd doubt his tactical knowledge....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on August 16, 2009, 12:31:47 PM
Doubt it? If his stint on TV3 is anything to go by he hasn't a clue, why an ex-player is deemed good IC selector material without doing a damned thing as a selector at any level previously is beyond me. Surely there are lads involved with club teams who know the local scene inside out that could offer level-headedness, insight and experience to the role as oppossed to a young ex-player who offers none of those things.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 16, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2009, 12:31:47 PM
Doubt it? If his stint on TV3 is anything to go by he hasn't a clue, why an ex-player is deemed good IC selector material without doing a damned thing as a selector at any level previously is beyond me. Surely there are lads involved with club teams who know the local scene inside out that could offer level-headedness, insight and experience to the role as oppossed to a young ex-player who offers none of those things.

Correct. Which is why I think Noel Connelly would be great. Although it would probably be necessary to substitute passion for level-headedness :P

Brady would bring little enough to the table.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2009, 12:31:47 PM
Doubt it? If his stint on TV3 is anything to go by he hasn't a clue, why an ex-player is deemed good IC selector material without doing a damned thing as a selector at any level previously is beyond me. Surely there are lads involved with club teams who know the local scene inside out that could offer level-headedness, insight and experience to the role as oppossed to a young ex-player who offers none of those things.

A TV studio is very different from a dressing room Zulu - I wouldn't read too much into comments made in the media and draw a correaltion with abilities of a selector. When people say things in a public forum it is very often far different from what they'd say in private
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on August 16, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
That's true enough Stephenite but he didn't come across to me as someone with a particularily analytical brain for football. And even if he has how familiar is he with the club scene, beyond the teams he has played against himself, or the underage scene? And I think a selector should be a man who has a few years of standing on sidelines watching games and making the calls. I know myself that it is very different watching a game from the stand with no responsibility and watching it from the sideline when the calls have to be made, many's the time if I had the game back again I'd have done things differently. Brady has nothing on his CV to show JOM that he can add anything to the mix on big game days.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 01:00:32 PM
Fair points - but a selectors can do different things, perhaps Johnno sees the needs for someone to bridge a generation gap within the backroom team, I'm sure he has the men for scouting club matches.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on August 16, 2009, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
That's true enough Stephenite but he didn't come across to me as someone with a particularily analytical brain for football.

That is the understatement of the year. While I respected the guy as a player, I thought in the latter years, he too focused on himself, the losses, the wins all that BS.

JOM would not get a look in if a camera shows.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 16, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
No matter now - I believe a wind up in a Swinford pub grew legs, walked out the door, found it's way to a mobile phone, reached Sydney and was recounted to me. ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 16, 2009, 10:07:16 PM
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Yes - TJ's outstanding management record put's him streets ahead of any other possible candidates.


:D :D sorry ros couldn't help myself ;)

well used to it
its about getting the manager that fits . the right ointment for the right Cut . JOM may have been it for galway at the time but very wrong for this mayo team. like pat holme was the wrong man for mayo a few years back but is really turning in good  results for the u21's.
I think some one with the respect through out the county that TJ has would start off on at a huge advantage.

Have I been missing something with the U21 results?! Our U21 display v Down this year was pathetic. A traditional county shaking their jersey and we rolled as badly as we have at senior in the past. Dont let that U21 AI win against Cork disguise the faltering the other years. The fact is we ve only converted 1 from 4 Connachts into AIs. That is not good unless your happy with beating our neighbours.

I've argued with you before on this Moysider so I guess I'll have to do so again :P

We have done very well with this Under 21 team. True, when we got to the All-Ireland series we have only won one All-Ireland but bear in mind that it was our first All-Ireland at any level since 1985. Also none of these lads had ever won a Connacht minor title, with the exception of O'Shea, Freeman, Hennelly etc this year. So it is not as if we had teams who had won all before them. We had lads with ability, true, but to win four in a row deserves serious commendation. I know you have made the point about certain players not being picked and I'd have to agree with you on a lot of them. But what I really like about the teams Holmes and Connelly send out are how they get them playing fairly close to the peak of their powers nearly all the time. They weren't hectic when they started out in Leitrim in 2006 but they stuck at it and won narrow games against Tyrone and Cork to win an All-Ireland a lot of other Mayo teams of greater ability wouldn't have been able to do. We've seen character in our under 21 teams not often seen in other Mayo teams.

I'm not saying Holmes and Connelly should be the next Mayo management at senior level but they certainly bring something to the table, particularly Connelly. Perhaps part of an overall management team. Again that's not a discussion for now with O'Mahony waiting on but woudln't it be great if he brought Connelly on this year as an extra selector? Any thoughts?

I m not really aware of what Connelly brings to the table - steel, fire and brimstone? I dont really know.

I honestly think Johnno should bring in new faces and new voices - a different perspective.

I ll stick to my guns on the the U21 debate. I think we need to distinguish good management and good fortune. There was a certain amount of fortune in 06 on way to winning  that AI, as there was this year to beat Ros. What we have been failing to do at senior for  half a century is convert Connachts into AIs. This management seems to be the same failing to reach another final. You d think they would be able to repeat the trick if they knew how to do it. The laois and Down teams they lost to were very beatable.

While those lads had not won before and after them at minor I dont think anybody wants to go there.

I'm sure you and I have different opinions on how beneficial Connelly's attributes would be. I think he brings a badly needed determination and passion that we often lack. He was a great leader as a player, whilst of limited enough ability, and he'll bring that to the sideline too. Tommy Lyons and Kieran Gallagher bring certain qualities to the table but I fear that they won't bring as much passion as Connelly might. But O'Mahony won't bring him in because he'd be too much of his own man . . .

I think there was luck against Tyrone in 2006 because they were the second best team. But, honestly, how often are Mayo the second best team and win? Very rarely. Luck played a part but they showed character too, something management have to take credit for. Roscommon, this year, was pure luck though. Jammy goal and a game we probably threw away prior to that.

I think too that the fact that the under 21s as minors had won feck all is very notable. Sure, we don't have to look at the cause of why they didn't, we could take all night about that. But we can look at the effect that has. They aren't used to winning and they've had less games at a higher level than lads who might win provincial titles. You can only see the benefit last year's minors had from playing so many games and how they improved as a team and individuals as they went along. Most of the players that holmes and connelly had at under 21 didn't have that luxury. It's a very salient point in my opinion.

Our minors were very poor between Keane and Dempsey. Some of the current seniors cut their teeth in those years.

I don't quite see what you're saying?? The minors were poor in those years, hence how the Under 21s achievements should be heightened . . .

Poor or poorly prepared? Remember we made a final through the back door in 05 only to predictably crash to a more streetwise Down team. 5 or 6 of those minors were U21 AI winners 6 months later so they had quality.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Here, lets have our annual fall-out on this thread. We need to move on from the Mayo v Meath thread at some stage!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 20, 2009, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Here, lets have our annual fall-out on this thread. We need to move on from the Mayo v Meath thread at some stage!

Start the ball rolling Farrandeelin. Do you think progress has been made? What was our undoing? Any changes you d like to see?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Here's my tuppence worth. We hammered Roscommon and got by Galway in Connacht. I don't regard the game in NY as a proper championship match etc. Now we let a 7 point lead against Galway slip down to nothing before Gardiner scored that point which was great and then the 'Salthill hoodoo' was laid to rest.

However, I was worried during and after that game about our mid-field and our full-back line. They were no better than average, I thought. During the Galway game the half-backs and half forwards had to win lots of breaking ball to get us into the 7 point lead, but once Galway turned on their switch they gave us all a real fright. Now why we let Galway into the game is a moot point or were Galway playing below par is another thing. But Galway's  display against Donegal the following week suggests they were not playing below par even though they could have benefitted with an extra week's break. But we won the Connacht title and the local media had us believing once the draw was made that we were in for an extended run.

True, I thought we would have beaten Meath by 4/5 points. I repeatedly stated that throughout the different threads. Then, it dawned on me that the current group of players are not good enough to win anyth8ing. They were out-muscled for balls they should have won. There was a lack of leadership evident. Indeed Mayo's best spell in that match was in the opening 10/12 minutes. We were only 4 points up! When on top convert chances. Then Meath got a 45 which shouldn't have been but they scored from it and then in a matter of moments it was level. Meath led at the break by 1. I was disappointed at ht but I thought that we could make a go of it in the second half. True there should have been no penalty, nor Meath line-ball which led to the penalty. But the game was there to be won in the last 10 minutes and no Mayo man could say they stood up and were counted. Johnno said reporting on refs should be transparent. I say why weren't the players stepping up to the mark?

As for the future, well I don't know what is around the corner but I cannot see this group of players winning All-Ireland titles. I think there's too many players that don't step up to the mark on big days. Maybe the 04 and 06 finals have taken their toll after all. We need a half back line that gets BACK after going forward. Trevor Mortimer is more a work-horse than a playmaker so I'd switch him to somewhere else, where that place would be is another debate for another day. I think Heaney and Nallen will go this winter, BJP might also be dropped, Parsons needs to make a better fist of it if he's going to be a good midfielder. Maybe have him and McG in midfield and Let Harte play at no 11. And it wouldn't be too much harm to play muppet's inside forward line. I'd give McLoughlin a go at cornerback as well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 20, 2009, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2009, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Here, lets have our annual fall-out on this thread. We need to move on from the Mayo v Meath thread at some stage!

Start the ball rolling Farrandeelin. Do you think progress has been made? What was our undoing? Any changes you d like to see?


Before the start of the championship, I'd have gladly taken a connacht title. We really needed to beat Galway this year. It's hard to call if any progress has been made, slight progress perhaps considering how poor that Galway team turned out to be. We've managed to beat...wait for it now, Galway, Ross, Sligo, New York and Cavan in the last 3 years...wow...by the look of that we should be delighted with the Connacht title.

We could be here all night about our undoing in the Meath match but I'll put forward a few shouts...

Full Back Line : Corner backs who are lacking height, physicality and are more wing backs than corner backs. Ger Caff, 1st year at this level. Kevin Cahill got cleaned against Cork in that famous semi where we got destroyed and became a brilliant full back with experience, so don't go jumping the gun yet.

Half Backs : Gardiner may be nearing the end of the road as a county player, great club player and gave great service to Mayo. I think a half back line with Howley and Moran on the wings and Cunniffe at the centre would do a great job next year

Midfield : Parsons??? Surely he'll step up next year and fulfil the potential, full of running and well able to field. Heaney didn't last the pace against Meath. A few times i saw him with his hands on his hips breathing heavily. Just doesn't have the legs. Tom Green aka Ronan McGarrity was in and out of the game and never stamped his authority. Seamus O'Shea will push him hard for a place unless he steps it up further.

Half Forwards : Touted as our strongest line going into the Meath match and ended up possibly being our weakest. Never got hands on breaking ball.

Full Forwards: Pierce Hanley would have been useful will O'Shea and Kilcoyne. Regarding Conor Mort, great player but I'm afraid he just isn't the top class forward as we'd like to believe. Plays with the head down and seems to play for himself sometimes instead of Mayo. Glorious chance against Meath and blasted over the bar where the Brogans, O'Neil, Cooper, Meehan, Ronan Clarke type players would have slotted it in the back of the net.

Management: Odd calls in the Meath match and slow to make them. JOM is the best man for the job but he could do with some freshness regarding selectors and voices in the dressing room.



Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Janey lads, I don't know but we'd never beat Cork this year. At any stage. It might be the best thing we were knocked out early even though I hate saying it. :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 24, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Janey lads, I don't know but we'd never beat Cork this year. At any stage. It might be the best thing we were knocked out early even though I hate saying it. :(

The thing is though there ll always be a Cork, or a Kerry or a Down or whoever. Its the same every year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2009, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Janey lads, I don't know but we'd never beat Cork this year. At any stage. It might be the best thing we were knocked out early even though I hate saying it. :(

The thing is though there ll always be a Cork, or a Kerry or a Down or whoever. Its the same every year.

It's rather annoyng how teams never say that about us though all the same.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 24, 2009, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2009, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Janey lads, I don't know but we'd never beat Cork this year. At any stage. It might be the best thing we were knocked out early even though I hate saying it. :(

The thing is though there ll always be a Cork, or a Kerry or a Down or whoever. Its the same every year.

It's rather annoyng how teams never say that about us though all the same.

It's the reputation we've earned though. Teams always feel they have a great chance against us. Looks like the Armagh minor team are something special, like the Down 05 team that we had the pleasure of playing against in the final and got beaten out the gate......
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 25, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 24, 2009, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2009, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Janey lads, I don't know but we'd never beat Cork this year. At any stage. It might be the best thing we were knocked out early even though I hate saying it. :(

The thing is though there ll always be a Cork, or a Kerry or a Down or whoever. Its the same every year.

It's rather annoyng how teams never say that about us though all the same.

It's the reputation we've earned though. Teams always feel they have a great chance against us. Looks like the Armagh minor team are something special, like the Down 05 team that we had the pleasure of playing against in the final and got beaten out the gate......

Correct. We always walk into the uppercut. As regards minor, 05 was bad but 99 was even worse. Classy performance in Semi but even a retarded fish would nt have taken the bait we did in the final. We had a slowish full-back line in the first place which was easily identified by any smart opposition. Down management pulled Pat Kelly[ who was pressed into action earlier that year as a fb] out the field and we were filleted inside. One of the management team [ who had something to offer walked after that day- or ousted] Of course nobody in the local media called a spade a spade and it was all put down to a bad day, or the usual Mayo stage fright in Croke Park which is shite to be honest.

I m hopin for somebody like Dempsey to pull through and give us a future. At senior we re only threading water, or maybe slowly sinking but leave JOM there yet cause we could jump into a fire.  Unlike any Mayo manager I ve ever seen before, Dempsey seems to be practical and he knows his game. Optimistically, he  goes about addressing situations[like  not being able to win a ball in midfield v Ros in Salthill] instead of talking shite or ignoring the problem and hoping things will work out, which sadly has been our way. My experience of Mayo is that we wade into trouble even though the DEEP WATER has been well sign posted and yet management repeatedly thickly refuse to deal with obvious flaws. If we were a business we would be in receivership. A restaurant we d be shut down. Chef would be on cctv scratching his hole before he tossed the salad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on August 25, 2009, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 25, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 24, 2009, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2009, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Janey lads, I don't know but we'd never beat Cork this year. At any stage. It might be the best thing we were knocked out early even though I hate saying it. :(

The thing is though there ll always be a Cork, or a Kerry or a Down or whoever. Its the same every year.

It's rather annoyng how teams never say that about us though all the same.

It's the reputation we've earned though. Teams always feel they have a great chance against us. Looks like the Armagh minor team are something special, like the Down 05 team that we had the pleasure of playing against in the final and got beaten out the gate......

Correct. We always walk into the uppercut. As regards minor, 05 was bad but 99 was even worse. Classy performance in Semi but even a retarded fish would nt have taken the bait we did in the final. We had a slowish full-back line in the first place which was easily identified by any smart opposition. Down management pulled Pat Kelly[ who was pressed into action earlier that year as a fb] out the field and we were filleted inside. One of the management team [ who had something to offer walked after that day- or ousted] Of course nobody in the local media called a spade a spade and it was all put down to a bad day, or the usual Mayo stage fright in Croke Park which is shite to be honest.

I m hopin for somebody like Dempsey to pull through and give us a future. At senior we re only threading water, or maybe slowly sinking but leave JOH there cause we could jump into a fire.  Unlike any Mayo manager I ve ever seen before, Dempsey seems to be practical and he knows his game. Optimistically, he  goes about addressing situations[like  not being able to win a ball in midfield v Ros in Salthill] instead of talking shite or ignoring the problem and hoping things will work out, which sadly has been our way. My experience of Mayo is that we wade into trouble even though the DEEP WATER signs have been well sign posted and yet management repeatedly thickly refuse to deal with obvious flaws. If we were a business we would be in receivership. A restaurant we d be shut down. Chef would be on cctv scratching his hole before he tossed the salad.
Interesting take on it there Moysider.  You might be onto something there...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 25, 2009, 12:36:40 PM
Moysider - Chef would be on cctv scratching his hole before he tossed the salad.

Beautiful metaphor. Too many times danger and obvious weakness has been identified and successive management at different grades have adopted the Homer Simpson approach " To hide under a bunch of coats and hope that everyting will work out".
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on August 25, 2009, 11:09:41 PM
one of the great things about the mayo team over the last few years has been the number of players coming through. id be willing to bet that there will be at least 3 new starters on tthe mayo team come next summer. a lot of the time we are replacing like with like but our conistent showing at underage gives us loads of options and picking the best and leaving the rest is the way forward.
obviously A oshea this year was a major additon but so too was the return of a kilcoyne to top form . we need to keep any eye on some of the younger players. who dont automaticly make the jump too senior level , a 22 or 23 year old guy is plenty young to start an inter county career.
a lad who may not ave been mature/strong enough at 20 to make the grade should be encouraged to keep going and shown there is hope. but there is a sang in this.
nothing annoys me more than to see a guy at 19 starting for the senior team making a balls of ot and being for ever more known as not being county standard. look at our list of one year  corner forwards for example , the prentys alan durcan mikey sweeney barry regan Micheal conroy damien munnelly and others i cant remember. not saying they would all be good enough but there sometimes  seems to be a splattergun approach.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Who will O'Mahony start over his current crop?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 26, 2009, 09:27:00 PM

Not sure changes will make much difference unless other things are addressed. Tactically we re limited. After a few injuries our bench was very bare. We lack leaders on the field. The physical  preparation of the team needs to change.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mister_Mayor on August 27, 2009, 04:06:07 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
I m hopin for somebody like Dempsey to pull through and give us a future. At senior we re only threading water, or maybe slowly sinking but leave JOM there yet cause we could jump into a fire.  Unlike any Mayo manager I ve ever seen before, Dempsey seems to be practical and he knows his game. Optimistically, he  goes about addressing situations[like  not being able to win a ball in midfield v Ros in Salthill] instead of talking shite or ignoring the problem and hoping things will work out, which sadly has been our way. My experience of Mayo is that we wade into trouble even though the DEEP WATER has been well sign posted and yet management repeatedly thickly refuse to deal with obvious flaws. If we were a business we would be in receivership. A restaurant we d be shut down. Chef would be on cctv scratching his hole before he tossed the salad.

First post on this board lads. Interesting discussion. I think Dempsey is pragmatic in his approach (as you correctly pointed out Farrandeelin), which seems to be working, versus the approach with the senior's. That said, if they get past Down, they will be up against a very powerful Armagh team.

The seniors demolition of Ross was impressive, but only from a score line perspective. They simply weren't up to that level of competition and made mayo look good. In the Galway game, the first signs of kinks in the armour were exposed. Against an average Galway middle third we failed to dominate (Mcgarrity fielded only two balls the entire match!). The kinks in the back line were not so obvious in that game, but I'm a firm believer in winning the mid field battle, or at the very least having a split decision. Winning the mid field battle allows you to dictate the pace, style and complexion of the match. Demonstrating weakness is a loosing strategy and other teams (such as meath) exploit that weakness and capitalize on it. We got bullied by Meath in the middle. If we are to be in with a chance in the future, we must develop a long term strategy for this area of the field and build around it. We have the nucleus of the full forward line in AOS and he will grow into that position and make the players around him better. We need to do the same in mid field and at full back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2009, 08:38:49 AM
Well it was moysider who said it but I'll gladly take the credit. :P

But it's true though, Dempsey isn't looking too far ahead and is solving the problems on the training field not waiting for major problems to happen on the pitch against the next opposition. You are damn right about the midfield area. I pointed out somewhere I think that the half-backs and half-forwards would have to carry the can but they didn't for the reason Meath bullied us around the middle as you said. Welcome to the mad-house Mister Mayor.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2009, 08:38:49 AM
Well it was moysider who said it but I'll gladly take the credit. :P

But it's true though, Dempsey isn't looking too far ahead and is solving the problems on the training field not waiting for major problems to happen on the pitch against the next opposition. You are damn right about the midfield area. I pointed out somewhere I think that the half-backs and half-forwards would have to carry the can but they didn't for the reason Meath bullied us around the middle as you said. Welcome to the mad-house Mister Mayor.

Dempsey took no shit as a player and he has applied that trait well to management and deals with problems quickly as best he can. I agree with that the cracks were there to be seen in the Galway match regarding our defence and midfield. I'm just wondering where are the players going to come from?

We won't have an Aidan O'Shea every year who makes a huge impact coming out of minor. Are we going to have many from last years minor or under 21s going to make the step up. Of the 2009 senior panel, Keith Higgins was the only player not to be from a senior team. I hope that the management take a look at the inter and junior scene around the county,the standard of football might not be of the same quality but there are often individuals who stand out and would be worth taking a look at.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
Care to tell us ur club mister mayor?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 27, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
Dempsey took no shit as a player

Really?
Dempsey was a decent player but I didnt know he had a hard man reputation?
I dont want to insult anyone but I had a conversation lately about the three players that hit the ground and stayed down in that melee in '96. I think you know where im going with this...  ;)

Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
and he has applied that trait well to management and deals with problems quickly as best he can. I agree with that the cracks were there to be seen in the Galway match regarding our defence and midfield. I'm just wondering where are the players going to come from?
I would agree there as he seems to learn quickly from his mistakes and changes tactics quickly

Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
Keith Higgins was the only player not to be from a senior team. I hope that the management take a look at the inter and junior scene around the county,the standard of football might not be of the same quality but there are often individuals who stand out and would be worth taking a look at.

I dont think that Intermediate teams are being over looked at all.
Off the top of my head you have Billy Joe (Belmullet), Austy (whom I hear will be back with Louisburg soon), Alan Dillon (who made it when we were still Intermediate), David Heaney (Swinford)...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
since ye lads are on about senior intermediate and junior club players playing intercounty football  found it interesting that of the cork team that started on sunday only 6 of them played senior club football (thats according to the sunday independent )
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on August 27, 2009, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
since ye lads are on about senior intermediate and junior club players playing intercounty football  found it interesting that of the cork team that started on sunday only 6 of them played senior club football (thats according to the sunday independent )

Really. Anybody know how many senior clubs in Cork?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2009, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
since ye lads are on about senior intermediate and junior club players playing intercounty football  found it interesting that of the cork team that started on sunday only 6 of them played senior club football (thats according to the sunday independent )

Really. Anybody know how many senior clubs in Cork?

yeah thought it was unusual myself nearly sure it said one of the midfielders could be o'connor plays junior football ( i will try and locate the piece and paste it moysider) Don't know how many senior clubs they have but i'm nearly sure i read that they have the highest number of senior clubs in the country but i could be wrong  on that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2009, 02:30:36 PM
Dempsey was well able to look after himself, never one to shy away. He played on a knockmore team renowned for its toughness, rambo, stan, peter B, even the smaller lads like joe davis cld all take care of themselves. Defo not a coward. Not sure if he lied in '96 but i'd doubt it. He's a good manager, sees things early & acts. Picks big men as well, you'd see no conoreen & have a massive full back line
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 03:18:24 PM
If Dempsey lied down in 1996 I'm sure it was because he was after getting clocked in the chin by one of our dear friends from Meath and it wasn't by choice. Very true abbeysider, just hope they don't have the blinkers on regarding players in the junior and intermediate championships. Anybody remember the 6 forwards who played against Fermanagh in Sligo when we lost in the qualifiers a few years back in the pissings of rain?? Think all 6 were from intermediate clubs if memory serves me correctly? 2 Morts, Sheridan.....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 27, 2009, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 03:18:24 PM
If Dempsey lied down in 1996 I'm sure it was because he was after getting clocked in the chin by one of our dear friends from Meath and it wasn't by choice. Very true abbeysider, just hope they don't have the blinkers on regarding players in the junior and intermediate championships. Anybody remember the 6 forwards who played against Fermanagh in Sligo when we lost in the qualifiers a few years back in the pissings of rain?? Think all 6 were from intermediate clubs if memory serves me correctly? 2 Morts, Sheridan.....

Im not trying to get at the man at all. I was just recalling a conversation I had lately about the incident.
I thought he was a fine player and is an astute manager.

Here is my take on things...

[This is Rantish but here it goes]

I think the problem is worse than what we are indicating regarding players being picked.
Im sure there are a lot of players good enough down the divisions but the Mayo Senior set-up has taken a rather lazy attitude to whom and from where they are picking. I also think there are plenty of players in the county that are as good, if not better than whats there, and there isnt enough of guys getting a chance.

If JOM can only find the time to be at training once a week, if at all... then how is he supposed to be attending Senior, Intermetiate or Junior club games in search of players that are showing well?

Being a TD takes up all your time. He cant be attending many club games which is a worry.

The whole idea of JOM team building is a bit cod... how many players did he actually unearth on his own?
The young players he currently has on the panel; he has inherited from county U21 and Minor teams. He didnt have to look very far.

There are players out there that may have opted out of U21 or Minor for various reasons; due to college, work, injury or being abroad. Some of those players aged from 22 to 27 may never get their chance although they are proving it at club level. This is wrong.


Now, couple the above scenario with the following....

In Mayo in recent years, for some reason we seem to be giving the athletic type player more of a chance than someone that would be more talented.
I have harped on about this at length before, in fact I have been saying it for years. But there is a trend of guys that seem to train themselves onto the county panel (terrific athletes winning sprints and long runs but dont have as much talent/skill to cut it), and when in the white heat of championship they are found out. It happened this year and will happen again. They touched on a similar topic on the Sunday game a few months back and I think it is relevant in Mayo.


Finally (as well as the above), in the last decade (up until this year) Mayo have seemed to have constantly produced small forwards and small players in general.
As well as this we are seen as "nice" footballers and its sad to say; a bit of a soft touch.
I blame club referees in the county in the last decade for this.

Club referees seem to always favour the forwards and small players in a 50-50 tackle and have subsequently spoiled them.
It has been the case that small, light, fast forwards would run at defences and draw fouls (around the D) by diving about the place or going down too easy.
Its not the players fault the the referees blow for the foul as players will do anything to win/score. But this bad habit developed because of referees being soft on them.
These are the same forwards that you see week in week out in the local papers clocking up huge scores from frees at club level. A lot of the players that subsequently made county were not getting the frees when it came to Inter County.
Ill never forget Pat McEaney in Croke Park waving at Conor Mortimor to get up as played moved on.
The whole size profile of our players was very small compared to other counties. Not only are we small but we are not used to the rough and tumble and we are seen as soft. It needs to be addressed. The conditioning and size of Cork, Kerry, Tyrone and Meath seem to be on another level to us this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mister_Mayor on August 27, 2009, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
Care to tell us ur club mister mayor?

No club now, living in exile for quite a while but still stay in touch with the scene, through the web and weekly phone calls home!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2009, 07:13:17 PM
That's not too rantish at all Abbeysider. But we all know O'Mahony will not give up his Dáil seat just to manage Mayo, which I believe is wrong. He got the Mayo job BEFORE being elected to Dáil Éireann, a decision I couldn't understand given the terrible display against Galway the Sunday beforehand. I'm not going to rant on all night about this but...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mister_Mayor on August 27, 2009, 07:32:52 PM
Any truth to what I heard ...JOM has got a new two year deal?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 27, 2009, 09:23:41 PM
In fairness to JOM, he is making the best of a bad situation. He combined the Dail with Mayo players based in Dublin training session on Tuesday nights in Lucan at the Garda grounds. Trainng sessions which had a fair whack of panel members, Conor Mort, Barry Moran, Cunniffe, Hennelly, Billy Joe, Austie, Ronaldson ect....Still, would be better if he was totally focused on the Mayo job!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
Well he got an extension to his current 3 year deal which was supposed to end this year by 2 years so that's it I think Mr Mayor.  He must make significant progress in the next 2 years (which won't happen imo) for him to be seen as a successful manager in many peoples eyes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:21:55 PM
Dempsey is wearing number 15 at the top of the picture slugging it out with Coyle, the bollocks. Dempsey can be accused of many things, but backing down is not one of them.

http://sportsfile.com/id/069353/
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:21:55 PM
Dempsey is wearing number 15 at the top of the picture slugging it out with Coyle, the bollocks. Dempsey can be accused of many things, but backing down is not one of them.

http://sportsfile.com/id/069353/

Coyle and another at the same time.

It was Fat Larry who took a nap in the middle of the scrap.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:51:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:21:55 PM
Dempsey is wearing number 15 at the top of the picture slugging it out with Coyle, the bollocks. Dempsey can be accused of many things, but backing down is not one of them.

http://sportsfile.com/id/069353/

Coyle and another at the same time.

It was Fat Larry who took a nap in the middle of the scrap.

And Casey who looked around him, didn't like the heat of the kitchen, and hit the ground. Very funny if you're not from Mayo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mister_Mayor on August 27, 2009, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
..... He must make significant progress in the next 2 years (which won't happen imo) for him to be seen as a successful manager in many peoples eyes.

I agree farrandeelin, but how do we characterize progress? IMHO, he must at least get to the final in 2010...win if possible, but absolutely must win it inside two years. My feeling is, that is we flop in the C'ship next year, he's out and MOD is in.   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 27, 2009, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:51:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:21:55 PM
Dempsey is wearing number 15 at the top of the picture slugging it out with Coyle, the bollocks. Dempsey can be accused of many things, but backing down is not one of them.

http://sportsfile.com/id/069353/

Coyle and another at the same time.

It was Fat Larry who took a nap in the middle of the scrap.

And Casey who looked around him, didn't like the heat of the kitchen, and hit the ground. Very funny if you're not from Mayo.

:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWdn6Gmrkz8
2nd Second, Larry takes one (was it a handbag?) and hits the ground... (a stampede ensues) 
11th to 17th second on the top of the picture you can see Dempsey taking a bit of a skelping from 2 Meath players... he disappears off to the right after that but ill give him the benifit of the doubt  :P
34th second, Casey getting attention from no less than 5 medics...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on August 27, 2009, 11:45:31 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 27, 2009, 10:21:55 PM
Dempsey is wearing number 15 at the top of the picture slugging it out with Coyle, the bollocks. Dempsey can be accused of many things, but backing down is not one of them.

http://sportsfile.com/id/069353/

So Dempsey should have been sent off with Coyle instead of McHale, can we blame Dempsey for the loss then? ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mister_Mayor on August 27, 2009, 11:53:37 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on August 27, 2009, 11:45:31 PM
So Dempsey should have been sent off with Coyle instead of McHale, can we blame Dempsey for the loss then? ;)

I don't think so, we really lost it the first day...I'd rather not roll over these coals again.. :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on August 28, 2009, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
Care to tell us ur club mister mayor?

What's the obsession about where people are from?

PS
: Welcome to the board
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mister_Mayor on August 28, 2009, 01:07:23 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2009, 12:54:25 AM

What's the obsession about where people are from?

PS
: Welcome to the board

Cheers Stephenite...its great to have a place to talk about the ga.
Cant get enough of it and can't wait for Sunday's minor match.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on August 28, 2009, 08:43:20 AM
QuoteMy feeling is, that is we flop in the C'ship next year, he's out and MOD is in.

Mick O'Dwyer!  ???

I would very much doubt that will be the next mangerial appointment. JOM has another 2 years left on his 'contract' so it's premature to be talking about it, but I can't see Mayo county board going after a man in his 70s to lead us!
I'd imagine they'd be thinking along the lines of Dempsey, Holmes/Connelly (wouldn't be my choice) or Mickey Harte if he's called it quits with Tyrone by then  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on August 28, 2009, 09:43:11 AM
Heard the news there that Tom Cunniffe is heading to college in England this year. He was a savage loss in this years championship in fairness and really hope that he'll continue playing ball for Mayo, will take a huge effort by him to keep training and get back for matches.

Also,really hope Kerry knock seven shades of shite out Meath this weekend and then Cork do the same to Kerry. I shall be at the minor match this sunday, i'm sure our friends from Meath will only have nice things to say about my jersey!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on August 28, 2009, 10:16:47 AM
Well there is zero chance of Mick O'Dwyer. And personally I wouldn't be in favour of his appointment. We have a bad experience with a Kerry man already that cost us a lot of money. Longer term appointments are the way to go. Connelly, Dempsey, Forde are the calibre of men we should be looking to. All 3 would be perfect!!

Mickey Harte? Sadly no chance. He has built Tyrone football from minor upwards and won't be leaving any time soon, and I could not see him looking to get involved elsewhere.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mrhardyannual on August 28, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
One of the problems we have in Mayo is that there are too many senior clubs who are not of a sufficiently high standard. In the 1960s and 1970s we had no more than eight senior clubs. The present contingent of 16 allows for a good championship on paper but the quality teams are few. It is a tribute to the work done in these few clubs that we have contested so many All Ire club finals.
Someone commented on junior and intermediate players being overlooked on the county team and contrasted it with the number of non senior club players on the Cork team. The comparison is not valid. In Cork (as in Kerry) all junior and intermediate club players are free to play with their divisional teams in the senior championship and with their own club at the lower level. In this way players are constantly playing at the highest level and against the strongest opposition and their worth can be better appraised.
In Mayo the better players in smaller clubs are constantly being played out of position and outside of their age groups because they are the most gifted. Because of this, most dont get to specialise as e.g. a cnr fwd as they will be wanted in midfield. Also we allow too many large clubs play at underage football at B and C levels when they have the numbers to play at higher levels, In this way we see outstanding performances against weak opposition leading to young fellows getting reputations they havent earned. When they play against better opposition at colleges level they are shown up as the big fish in small ponds who struggle in the sea.

Eight senior clubs and eight divisional side would give a stronger championshipat senior level and allow more players from smaller clubs to promote themselves.
Underage competition needs a major overhaul. That we get games played within time and according to a fixtures programme should not be the sole determinant of how well our underage programme is organised.
Rant over. Spleen vented. Feling much better
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on August 28, 2009, 11:32:09 PM
Great post there mrhardyannual... your making a lot of valid points. Welcome to the board btw!

Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 28, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
One of the problems we have in Mayo is that there are too many senior clubs who are not of a sufficiently high standard. In the 1960s and 1970s we had no more than eight senior clubs. The present contingent of 16 allows for a good championship on paper but the quality teams are few. It is a tribute to the work done in these few clubs that we have contested so many All Ire club finals.

Regarding that bit in bold... I dont agree that having only 8 teams in a straight knockout system was better than the system in place now. Its certainly not better for the county as a whole....
Was it not the case that in the 60's 70's 80's and most, of the 90's you had a straight knockout championship competition ??
I dont see how playing one game rather than a group system could make teams any better. In the past a great team might get caught on a bad day under bad circumstances and lose a match by a point and not play championship again for a whole year. Hence there would be no improvement in that team.

Mayo teams have won 12 Connacht Club championships since 1970.
10 of those were won since 1992.
7 of which were since 1999 (in the last 10 years)

Our 2 club All Irelands came from Ballina in 2004-05 and Cross in 2001-02. Im not sure what system was in 2002 but the group stages system seems to bring teams on more than previously.

Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 28, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
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In Mayo the better players in smaller clubs are constantly being played out of position and outside of their age groups because they are the most gifted. Because of this, most dont get to specialise as e.g. a cnr fwd as they will be wanted in midfield. Also we allow too many large clubs play at underage football at B and C levels when they have the numbers to play at higher levels, In this way we see outstanding performances against weak opposition leading to young fellows getting reputations they havent earned. When they play against better opposition at colleges level they are shown up as the big fish in small ponds who struggle in the sea.
Thats an interesting point. Its probably more of a problem in smaller clubs that lack numbers in positions, but playing players out of their natural positions is rampant at Inter County level in Mayo and it has to stop. Forwards being put in the backs and backs being put in the forwards a minor and U21 county level is a Joke

Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 28, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
Eight senior clubs and eight divisional side would give a stronger championshipat senior level and allow more players from smaller clubs to promote themselves.
Sounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 28, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
Underage competition needs a major overhaul. That we get games played within time and according to a fixtures programme should not be the sole determinant of how well our underage programme is organised.
Rant over. Spleen vented. Feling much better
What do you mean by overhaul? Do you see it failing at Bord Na nOg level?
I know you mentioned earlier about not allowing bigger teams to play down the divisions and I agree.

I also think that the likes of U-16 county "development" panels should be scrapped because it is very rare that a player makes it from U-16 (so called) development panels up to U-21 or senior level. I heard a statistic that only one player made it from the U-16 development squad to a recent U-21 team in Mayo. County vocational schools teams also need to be considered for the chop.
These type of teams only give young impressionable lads the idea that they have it made because they get the county shirt too early.
I would be much in favour of a Mayo North, South East and West competition where more guys get a chance and it keeps competitive. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on September 03, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Did anyone else hear the rumour that Noel Connelly is joining John O Mahoney's management team as a replacement for Kieran Gallagher? I heard it last week from a couple of sources.

He will make a good addition id say. A good talker in the dressing room and a good motivator.
He always had the Mayo U21 lads in good shape too so he has a lot to offer.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on September 03, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 03, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Did anyone else hear the rumour that Noel Connelly is joining John O Mahoney's management team as a replacement for Kieran Gallagher? I heard it last week from a couple of sources.

He will make a good addition id say. A good talker in the dressing room and a good motivator.
He always had the Mayo U21 lads in good shape too so he has a lot to offer.

That would be great news. He'll add a bit of fire anways! Speaking of which, Dempsey was supposed to have grabbed each player one by one by the jersey at half time in the minor semi and given them the old "hair dryer treatment". Some man, will need that again before the final!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 04, 2009, 10:09:45 AM
Not a surprise


O'Mahony staying with Mayo

Mayo manager John O'Mahony
04 September 2009


John O'Mahony has confirmed that he will be remaining in charge of Mayo for a fourth year.

The Fine Gael TD has decided to remain at the helm, despite Mayo's shock All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Meath last month.

He explained to the Irish Examiner: "Last autumn, I was given an additional two years as team manager by the Mayo county board and I've decided to take up the option of the remaining 12 months in the position.

"Understandably, everyone was very disappointed with the result against Meath, but I feel that we can learn from that experience and do better in next year's championship.

"Despite our failure to get past the All-Ireland quarter-final this year, I feel the future is very bright for Mayo football. It's very encouraging that the county achieved a clean sweep of Connacht titles this year. As well as the seniors, the minor and under 21 sides also won provincial titles.

"Of course, the minors were in last year's All-Ireland final and took Tyrone to a replay and are in this year's All-Ireland final. The under 21s only lost narrowly to Down in this year's All-Ireland semi-final, who were only beaten by a late goal by Cork in the All-Ireland final.

"Lads from the under 21 team like Donal Vaughan and Tom Parsons have already made the breakthrough to the senior team as has, of course, Aidan O'Shea, who was on last year's minor team and this year's under 21 team."



Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2009, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 04, 2009, 10:09:45 AM
Not a surprise


O'Mahony staying with Mayo

Mayo manager John O'Mahony
04 September 2009


John O'Mahony has confirmed that he will be remaining in charge of Mayo for a fourth year.

The Fine Gael TD has decided to remain at the helm, despite Mayo's shock All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Meath last month.

He explained to the Irish Examiner: "Last autumn, I was given an additional two years as team manager by the Mayo county board and I've decided to take up the option of the remaining 12 months in the position.

"Understandably, everyone was very disappointed with the result against Meath, but I feel that we can learn from that experience and do better in next year's championship.

"Despite our failure to get past the All-Ireland quarter-final this year, I feel the future is very bright for Mayo football. It's very encouraging that the county achieved a clean sweep of Connacht titles this year. As well as the seniors, the minor and under 21 sides also won provincial titles.

"Of course, the minors were in last year's All-Ireland final and took Tyrone to a replay and are in this year's All-Ireland final. The under 21s only lost narrowly to Down in this year's All-Ireland semi-final, who were only beaten by a late goal by Cork in the All-Ireland final.

"Lads from the under 21 team like Donal Vaughan and Tom Parsons have already made the breakthrough to the senior team as has, of course, Aidan O'Shea, who was on last year's minor team and this year's under 21 team."





Really, was Vaughan actually that good against Meath? Was Parsons?? No both of them got cleaned and O'Mahony says they've settled in well. It's easy to settle in against Roscommon (this year) and a Galway team who were lacking real leadership on Connacht final day. We must start a bit of ruthlessness in the team after winning Connacht titles. Hopefully O'Mahony will start  to drill this in next year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on September 05, 2009, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 03, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Did anyone else hear the rumour that Noel Connelly is joining John O Mahoney's management team as a replacement for Kieran Gallagher? I heard it last week from a couple of source.

He will make a good addition id say. A good talker in the dressing room and a good motivator.
He always had the Mayo U21 lads in good shape too so he has a lot to offer.

That would be great news. He'll add a bit of fire anways! Speaking of which, Dempsey was supposed to have grabbed each player one by one by the jersey at half time in the minor semi and given them the old "hair dryer treatment". Some man, will need that again before the final!!
not sure it would be a like for like swop . afaik Kieran Gallagher is the coach/Trainer of the team . and a very good one at that . a Technical position the type of role that is paid for in a lot  the man that runs the sessions and the man they players look to . would connelly be fit for such a role?
Deputy o mahony has far more grandiose things to do than actually train teams.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on September 05, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
QuoteSounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Too many clubs in North Mayo prevented it from ever really kicking off. I think 1 year it was from 11 clubs and all clubs seemed to have to have 2 or 3 representatives. I played for them for a few years. On my last year with them i got a pretty bad injury ... hospital etc  .... got a signed card from the lads. I came accross it there a few weeks back and only recognised about 4 or 5 of the names ... .was only ever a team of individuals who barely knew one anothers names.
It should be split into a smaller group. Currently there is an underage team - Naomh Padraig - for minor and U-16 representing Killala, Lacken, Ballycastle & Kilfian (none of those clubs can field a team on their own anymore - Ballycastle joined the other 3 this year who had been merged for a few years already). Why not let those 4 clubs combine to enter a team in the senior championship ? There would be a developing bond in years to come as the underage teams come through
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on September 05, 2009, 03:38:17 AM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
QuoteSounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Too many clubs in North Mayo prevented it from ever really kicking off. I think 1 year it was from 11 clubs and all clubs seemed to have to have 2 or 3 representatives. I played for them for a few years. On my last year with them i got a pretty bad injury ... hospital etc  .... got a signed card from the lads. I came accross it there a few weeks back and only recognised about 4 or 5 of the names ... .was only ever a team of individuals who barely knew one anothers names.
It should be split into a smaller group. Currently there is an underage team - Naomh Padraig - for minor and U-16 representing Killala, Lacken, Ballycastle & Kilfian (none of those clubs can field a team on their own anymore - Ballycastle joined the other 3 this year who had been merged for a few years already). Why not let those 4 clubs combine to enter a team in the senior championship ? There would be a developing bond in years to come as the underage teams come through

Good idea
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
QuoteSounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Too many clubs in North Mayo prevented it from ever really kicking off. I think 1 year it was from 11 clubs and all clubs seemed to have to have 2 or 3 representatives. I played for them for a few years. On my last year with them i got a pretty bad injury ... hospital etc  .... got a signed card from the lads. I came accross it there a few weeks back and only recognised about 4 or 5 of the names ... .was only ever a team of individuals who barely knew one anothers names.
It should be split into a smaller group. Currently there is an underage team - Naomh Padraig - for minor and U-16 representing Killala, Lacken, Ballycastle & Kilfian (none of those clubs can field a team on their own anymore - Ballycastle joined the other 3 this year who had been merged for a few years already). Why not let those 4 clubs combine to enter a team in the senior championship ? There would be a developing bond in years to come as the underage teams come through

That might happen yet blast. Ardagh and Moygownagh were one team at underage level up to minor and this year they had to go senior under the Ardmoy name because the playing population wasn't there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on September 05, 2009, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
QuoteSounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Too many clubs in North Mayo prevented it from ever really kicking off. I think 1 year it was from 11 clubs and all clubs seemed to have to have 2 or 3 representatives. I played for them for a few years. On my last year with them i got a pretty bad injury ... hospital etc  .... got a signed card from the lads. I came accross it there a few weeks back and only recognised about 4 or 5 of the names ... .was only ever a team of individuals who barely knew one anothers names.
It should be split into a smaller group. Currently there is an underage team - Naomh Padraig - for minor and U-16 representing Killala, Lacken, Ballycastle & Kilfian (none of those clubs can field a team on their own anymore - Ballycastle joined the other 3 this year who had been merged for a few years already). Why not let those 4 clubs combine to enter a team in the senior championship ? There would be a developing bond in years to come as the underage teams come through

That might happen yet blast. Ardagh and Moygownagh were one team at underage level up to minor and this year they had to go senior under the Ardmoy name because the playing population wasn't there.

There's one thing putting clubs together because teams are not able to field otherwise but it is another matter altogether being opportunistic about it and getting clubs together to play at senior. Where is your cut off point? What would happen to players from clubs like Ardagh and Moygownagh who are junior and watch lads for Ballycastle and Kilfian just up the road combine with a few more to play at senior? They'd rightly feel hard done by. Would these amalgamations be representative teams - would the clubs still compete at junior in their own right? At least splitting it on a divisional basis would leave it less open to complaints. Anyway there's not as many junior clubs now is there? Ardmoy is a club essentially, then you have Lacken, Ballycastle, Kilfian, Ballycroy and Ardnaree.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on September 06, 2009, 04:29:26 AM
I'm told kilfian will be joining them, prob 2011.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: blast05 on September 07, 2009, 10:31:53 AM
QuoteAnyway there's not as many junior clubs now is there? Ardmoy is a club essentially, then you have Lacken, Ballycastle, Kilfian, Ballycroy and Ardnaree.

Ballycroy are too far away from the other clubs. Of the 4, Ballycastle would be the closest yet they are still 30 miles from Ballycroy.
Ardnaree are ...... well ..... a towny club  :P  More relevantly though, they do not neighbour any of the other 4. No reason you could not throw Ardmoy into the mix either i guess.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mrhardyannual on September 07, 2009, 08:22:51 PM
I wouldnt be too hung up on the make up of the amalgamations but 4 teams made up of the current junior clubs added to the 16 senior clubs would allow for 4 groups of 5 with two home and two away games. It would have the additional bonus of allowing each club one free championship weekend.
All possibilities should be discussed. Maintaining the status quo is not enough
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on September 08, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 07, 2009, 08:22:51 PM
It would have the additional bonus of allowing each club one free championship weekend.

I don't see where this would be an advantage to be honest?

The idea of two home and two away games is a good one though - the present system whereby some teams have to travel twice whereas others have the advantage of two home games is a little unfair.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on September 08, 2009, 09:22:41 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 05, 2009, 03:38:17 AM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
QuoteSounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Too many clubs in North Mayo prevented it from ever really kicking off. I think 1 year it was from 11 clubs and all clubs seemed to have to have 2 or 3 representatives. I played for them for a few years. On my last year with them i got a pretty bad injury ... hospital etc  .... got a signed card from the lads. I came accross it there a few weeks back and only recognised about 4 or 5 of the names ... .was only ever a team of individuals who barely knew one anothers names.
It should be split into a smaller group. Currently there is an underage team - Naomh Padraig - for minor and U-16 representing Killala, Lacken, Ballycastle & Kilfian (none of those clubs can field a team on their own anymore - Ballycastle joined the other 3 this year who had been merged for a few years already). Why not let those 4 clubs combine to enter a team in the senior championship ? There would be a developing bond in years to come as the underage teams come through

Good idea

Not sure actually. What if they were to get relegated? Would they continue to operate out of the intermediate championship? Would this not defeat the initial purpose?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on September 08, 2009, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: muscles magoo on September 08, 2009, 09:22:41 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 05, 2009, 03:38:17 AM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
QuoteSounds good in theory. I would be in favour of getting North Mayo (amalgamated Junior teams) back into the championship to see how it goes. But it did fizzle out after a bit... I cant remember why exactly that happened.

Too many clubs in North Mayo prevented it from ever really kicking off. I think 1 year it was from 11 clubs and all clubs seemed to have to have 2 or 3 representatives. I played for them for a few years. On my last year with them i got a pretty bad injury ... hospital etc  .... got a signed card from the lads. I came accross it there a few weeks back and only recognised about 4 or 5 of the names ... .was only ever a team of individuals who barely knew one anothers names.
It should be split into a smaller group. Currently there is an underage team - Naomh Padraig - for minor and U-16 representing Killala, Lacken, Ballycastle & Kilfian (none of those clubs can field a team on their own anymore - Ballycastle joined the other 3 this year who had been merged for a few years already). Why not let those 4 clubs combine to enter a team in the senior championship ? There would be a developing bond in years to come as the underage teams come through

Good idea

Not sure actually. What if they were to get relegated? Would they continue to operate out of the intermediate championship? Would this not defeat the initial purpose?

Don't divisional teams in Kerry still play together regardles of this? Think they do but could be wrong
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 08, 2009, 02:19:21 PM
Lokks like the backroom team is staying the same


O'Mahony calls Mayo players together 

Mike Finnerty

MAYO manager John O'Mahony last night clarified some inaccurate reports that appeared in a number of national newspapers last week claiming that he was keen on taking up the 'remaining twelve months' of his term as senior football boss.
Speaking to The Mayo News, O'Mahony confirmed that a two year extension to his term as Mayo manager will begin next season, meaning that he is set to remain in charge until the end of the 2011 season.
"That was reported inaccurately last week," he said. "I said directly after the Meath game that I was keen to stay on as Mayo manager and nothing has changed."
O'Mahony also revealed that the Mayo senior football squad met with the team management last weekend. This was the first get-together since losing the All-Ireland quarter-final to Meath last month.
"We had a players' meeting which was a debrief on the year and on the Meath match," he explained. "Unfortunately that game was the climax of the year for us. That meeting last weekend was the start of things again but we need some breathing space now.
"Some players are still involved in the club championship, some aren't, and some are going back to college so there's a lot of stuff to sort through before making any definite plans."
The Ballaghaderreen native went on to confirm that both his selectors, Kieran Gallagher and Tommy Lyons, will be staying on for 2010. "For the most part, my backroom team will be the same," he said.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on September 09, 2009, 12:15:10 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 08, 2009, 02:19:21 PM
Lokks like the backroom team is staying the same


O'Mahony calls Mayo players together 

Mike Finnerty

MAYO manager John O'Mahony last night clarified some inaccurate reports that appeared in a number of national newspapers last week claiming that he was keen on taking up the 'remaining twelve months' of his term as senior football boss.
Speaking to The Mayo News, O'Mahony confirmed that a two year extension to his term as Mayo manager will begin next season, meaning that he is set to remain in charge until the end of the 2011 season.
"That was reported inaccurately last week," he said. "I said directly after the Meath game that I was keen to stay on as Mayo manager and nothing has changed."
O'Mahony also revealed that the Mayo senior football squad met with the team management last weekend. This was the first get-together since losing the All-Ireland quarter-final to Meath last month.
"We had a players' meeting which was a debrief on the year and on the Meath match," he explained. "Unfortunately that game was the climax of the year for us. That meeting last weekend was the start of things again but we need some breathing space now.
"Some players are still involved in the club championship, some aren't, and some are going back to college so there's a lot of stuff to sort through before making any definite plans."
The Ballaghaderreen native went on to confirm that both his selectors, Kieran Gallagher and Tommy Lyons, will be staying on for 2010. "For the most part, my backroom team will be the same," he said.

"For the most part" anyway
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on September 15, 2009, 10:02:28 PM
You couldn't make this stuff up!

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7650&Itemid=38

McHale Park development in doubt 

Stormy Town Council meeting sees councillors vote in favour of revoking planning permission

THE media tower and adjoining toilets at the re-developed McHale Park in Castlebar may have to be demolished after a majority of Castlebar Town councillors voted to revoke planning permission granted to the Mayo County GAA Board for the development.
This comes after it has emerged in recent weeks that the media tower doesn't conform to what was sought in the planning application and at a tension packed meeting of the Town Council last Thursday night, the members voted 6-3 in favour of Cllr Frank Durcan's motion to revoke the planning permission.

The meeting, held at Aras an Chontae, was attended by close to 40 residents of McHale Road.
The success of the motion led Town Manager Seamus Granahan to state he would be getting legal advice after he questioned whether the councillors could legally revoke the permission for the tower. The tower is part of a €15m re-development at the venue.
However, speaking after the meeting Mayor Michael Kilcoyne, was confident that the motion will develop successfully.
"I am satisfied that we are on a firm footing," he told The Mayo News. "We, the councillors who have supported the residents, will consider further action if we're refused. Discussions have to take place between the County Board and the residents and a solution has to be arrived at. The solution that will be arrived at won't involve the current broadcasting box. That will have to go. It is an ugly sight, like something you would see in Long Kesh."

Cllr Kilcoyne also told the meeting that he felt this could have been avoided had the County Board 'shown respect' to the residents.
"The County Board have nobody to blame but themselves," said Councillor Kilcoyne. "They are like the cowboy builders we talk about at meetings all the time - get permission for one thing and build something else."

The motion was proposed by Cllr Frank Durcan who also argued that there was no planning permission for toilets adjoining the media tower.
Cllr Durcan, a valuer by profession, also stated that the prices of the houses on McHale Road directly opposite the tower had gone down in value.

The four Fine Gael councillors - Cllrs Ger Deere, Brendan Henaghan, Noreen Heston and Eugene McCormack - informed the meeting they had met with the County Board's architects, David O'Malley & Co, and it initially appeared they were going to vote en masse against the motion.
However Councillor Brendan Henaghan broke ranks and voted in favour of the motion.
Labour's Harry Barrett, Fianna Fail's Blackie Gavin and Sinn Féin's Therese Ruane also voted for the motion, together with the proposer and seconder - Cllr Durcan and Mayor Kilcoyne.

A notice of motion was also served by Cllr Frank Durcan and a special meeting was convened to direct the Town Manager to refuse the retention planning permission sought in recent weeks for the alterations.
That meeting will take place on September 21 at a venue to be confirmed.
After the vote was taken Ms Maura Flynn spoke on behalf of the McHale Road residents. She stated that the residents were not against the re-development of McHale Park, but against the nature of the building of the tower, as well as the visual impact.
"We wanted something nice built. We are not against the development. But when we saw what was going up we knew something was wrong. You do not build something and then apply for planning permission. That's what drives us mad. We have all built extensions to our houses. We applied for planning permission and conformed with the law. Let the County Board do the same."
Speaking on Friday County Board Chairman James Waldron said they were going to wait for the outcome of their application for planning retention. That application is on public viewing for a five week period.

"There is a process there in place and we'll be leaving it up to the planning people. I don't think it can be sorted by the councillors, it is a matter for the planners. I wouldn't be worried because there is a process there. We've left everything to the design team and they've made the necessary changes."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on September 16, 2009, 06:26:19 AM
this is hilarious!

it would serve the county board right for a couple of reasons.

firstly - dont piss off the mchale road residents by building something you dont have permission for. they have been contrary enough for a few years regarding mchale park (and rightly so to be fair to them).

secondly - get a decent architect or engineer who can design out the bloody colums from the stand and make a better fist at the press box - its a joke of a design - something more lowslung would be approriate. theres no need for it to be so tall.

thirdly - dont you know the council are looking for someone to make an example of, after years of people bulding extensions, slatted houses, housing estates with 10 extra houses etc etc etc only then to seek retention. fecking hell its father ted stuff.

as far as i know a county/town council can take a vote on a planning permission and overturn decisions. so they might be able to prevent the retention permission. im not sure about this and could wrong!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 16, 2009, 09:30:47 AM
unreal but why doesn't it surprise me why didn't they build it as per planning permission
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on September 16, 2009, 10:23:39 AM
I think a key point in that article is made by Cllr Eugene McCormack
"The County Board made the application in good faith. They were then told by RTÉ that the tower was not adequate for their needs. They didn't seek retention then which is the crux."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2009, 02:50:29 PM
I don't suppose Mayo football will benefit from the moneys owed to the developers of McHale Park. As for the tower, well it really is ugly and RTE should acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 05, 2009, 01:21:15 PM
No comments on Mayo's 2 all star nominations. For my money they got it wrong on mort, he wasn't even mayo's best forward. Moran prob deserved one but it would be a toss up between him & Gardiner. Thought mayo's best players were aidan o'shea, killer (even with only 3 half games) & moran/Gardiner in that order. Mort went missing in the Meath march when he was needed.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on October 06, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
So it's official that the U21 management trio have stood down. They leave a record of 4 Connacht U-21 titles in a row, capped by that 2006 All-Ireland win in their first year in charge. It could be debated that we could/should have got to at least one more final, but it's an impressive record for any county. That's the only All-Ireland title at of the main grades since the minors in '85.
They've put in a huge effort and brought back silverware each year, so fair play to them, they deserve the break.

The replacement would want to be appointed fairly soon - the club U-21 championship is at quarter-final stage, and the intercounty championship is played pretty early in the year. The stories I've heard so far are that Ray Dempsey might be stepping up to work with the players he's brought through minors.
The other story is that the co board want JOM to take on the U-21s. Seeing as he's a sitting TD, and plenty of people think he's not giving enough attention to the senior side, it's hard to see how he could take on the U-21s as well....

QuoteWANTED: AN U–21 MANAGER


Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly step down from Mayo U-21 post

Mike Finnerty

THE Mayo GAA Board are searching for an U-21 football management team this week after Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly's decision to step down from the post last month.
The successful joint-management team, along with Micheál Collins, won four Connacht championships and an All-Ireland title during their four years in charge. However, they informed the County Board last month that they were not staying on for a fifth season.
"I've done my four years with the U-21 team and it's time now for somebody else to have a crack at it," Pat Holmes told The Mayo News. "I've enjoyed it but I'm looking forward to the break." He added that 'work and family commitments' were also factors in his decision.
"I've done four years now, my wife and I have another baby on the way later this month, and I feel it's time for a break," explained Noel Connelly. "I will miss it though," he added. "There's nothing like being involved with a team and winning matches."
Both Holmes and Connelly singled out the All-Ireland title win in 2006 as their personal highlights from their four year term. They also believe that the players graduating from the U-21 ranks will make the breakthrough at senior level.
"I think some quality footballers have come through the network," said Pat Holmes. "The likes of Tom Cunniffe, Chris Barrett, Tom Parsons, Aidan Campbell, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley, Keith Higgins... These are all quality footballers and I have no doubt that they are good enough to have success at senior level in the future."
"It's time, whether we don't win Connacht in the next two years or not, to bring through the U-21s of the last few years," offered Noel Connelly. "The likes of Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Donal Vaughan... they're the future of Mayo football. They're athletes."
There had been some speculation in recent weeks that Connelly, who is still playing football with Hollymount, would be part of John O'Mahony's Mayo senior backroom team in 2010. However, he emphatically ruled out that possibility.
"I've heard the rumours and there's no truth in them," said Connelly. "I won't be involved with the Mayo senior team next year.  Maybe down the road in some capacity, but not at the moment."
When Pat Holmes was asked if he could see himself working with his old team-mate again in the future, maybe with a Mayo senior team, he said: "You can never rule anything in or out... But that's for another day."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 06, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
It would make more sense for Dempsey to continue with these lads, ready replacement with a proven track record with the players. It's a no brainer really
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
Pat Holmes should never be allowed near a Mayo senior team again never mind for another day.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 06, 2009, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
Pat Holmes should never be allowed near a Mayo senior team again never mind for another day.

fact
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2009, 11:22:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
Pat Holmes should never be allowed near a Mayo senior team again never mind for another day.

But think of all his man marking skills that he showed against Maurice Fitz in 97 that could be passed on... :P

I'd agree though. Had his chance. Beating Galway in the league final wasn't that bad though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 07, 2009, 12:33:38 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
It would make more sense for Dempsey to continue with these lads, ready replacement with a proven track record with the players. It's a no brainer really

So was playing Cross v Knockmore in Ballina. I'll only believe Dempsey's being given the job when its announced and I'm worried it won't happen.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on October 14, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 07, 2009, 12:33:38 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
It would make more sense for Dempsey to continue with these lads, ready replacement with a proven track record with the players. It's a no brainer really

So was playing Cross v Knockmore in Ballina. I'll only believe Dempsey's being given the job when its announced and I'm worried it won't happen.

I'm hearing that K Gallagher is going to get the U21 job ahead of Dempsey, thus extending the Johnno regime into its most obvious feeder base. Anybody got any thoughts on this? Seems harsh on Dempsey to me.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 14, 2009, 08:37:42 PM
Will Gallagher still be part of the senior set-up next year I wonder? If so, we must have NO players between 21-30 that are good enough. That's my opinion.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 14, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 07, 2009, 12:33:38 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
It would make more sense for Dempsey to continue with these lads, ready replacement with a proven track record with the players. It's a no brainer really

So was playing Cross v Knockmore in Ballina. I'll only believe Dempsey's being given the job when its announced and I'm worried it won't happen.

I'm hearing that K Gallagher is going to get the U21 job ahead of Dempsey, thus extending the Johnno regime into its most obvious feeder base. Anybody got any thoughts on this? Seems harsh on Dempsey to me.



I m hearing the same thing. Gallagher resigning from the senior setup is now taking on a different complexion. Looks like a ruse to me to allow him take over the U21s with Johnno in the Bobby Robson role. Reading Waldron in the local media a couple of weeks ago it was obvious they did nt see Dempsey in a more senior role yet - if ever.

Anyway obviously not happy with these younger players falling into Johnno s clutches. I d be expecting more Campbell/ Kilcullen casualties as he uses his bludgeoning man- management style. It just pushes back any recovery we may have hoped for even further. These guys have it all sown up. They pull more tricks than circus clowns.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 14, 2009, 08:37:42 PM
Will Gallagher still be part of the senior set-up next year I wonder? If so, we must have NO players between 21-30 that are good enough. That's my opinion.

Not sure what you mean here Farandeelin. The second part anyway. I d say Gallagher will have a part with the seniors after the U21 campaign. Clearly Johnno wants control of this grade as well. Why I dunno? He clearly has nt enough time for a hands-on approach to the U21 as well so we ll be given a puppet management with Johnno pulling the strings. As far as I know nobody has been named to replace Gallagher in the senior management. Johnno has been typically vague about it. Looks like himself and Tommy will go it alone with Gallagher joining them after the U21 campaign finishes. They appear vague about this and it will seem to evolve but I d say it s been all cut and dried. If this turns out to be the case we face a short-medium future of thin gruel indeed.

f**k it, I used to look forward to the under 21 championship. Used to make nearly all the games. Another avenue of enjoyment being taken away from me.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
f**k it, I used to look forward to the under 21 championship. Used to make nearly all the games. Another avenue of enjoyment being taken away from me.

So another avenue of enjoyment has been taken away because of the manager that has been put on place?there's no reason why the U-21's won't be in the mix for major honours given the talent coming through at that level, even with a reasonably competent figure at the helm.

I think Dempsey should've been given the job but that he wasn't is no reason to write them off completely surely?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 15, 2009, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
f**k it, I used to look forward to the under 21 championship. Used to make nearly all the games. Another avenue of enjoyment being taken away from me.

So another avenue of enjoyment has been taken away because of the manager that has been put on place?there's no reason why the U-21's won't be in the mix for major honours given the talent coming through at that level, even with a reasonably competent figure at the helm.

I think Dempsey should've been given the job but that he wasn't is no reason to write them off completely surely?

It s not just about Dempsey for me. Just think there s a very cosy group deciding things and while the figure at the helm might be competent he is showing no indication that he is better than that. O Connor, Harte and Kernan can hardly be described as competent.


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 04:17:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 15, 2009, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
f**k it, I used to look forward to the under 21 championship. Used to make nearly all the games. Another avenue of enjoyment being taken away from me.

So another avenue of enjoyment has been taken away because of the manager that has been put on place?there's no reason why the U-21's won't be in the mix for major honours given the talent coming through at that level, even with a reasonably competent figure at the helm.

It s not just about Dempsey for me. Just think there s a very cosy group deciding things and while the figure at the helm might be competent he is showing no indication that he is better than that. O Connor, Harte and Kernan can hardly be described as competent.

I think Dempsey should've been given the job but that he wasn't is no reason to write them off completely surely?

There's no indication that he's not either in fairness, O'Connor was a selector under Padi when things went pear shaped
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 15, 2009, 09:03:26 AM
The reason why I said how there must be a lack of county standard players in the 22-30 age group is that Johnno will be gone after 2011, unless he is hoping for a total dictatorship, what good is him pulling the strings of u-21 management going to be? Unless the U-21s burst a gut to make the cut at senior for O'Mahony's tenure.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on October 15, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
In Tyrone Harte was given the u-21 role with the same bunch of players he had at minor and then he took over at senior as well so Harte was over 18\19 of the current panel since minor days.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 15, 2009, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 04:17:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 15, 2009, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
f**k it, I used to look forward to the under 21 championship. Used to make nearly all the games. Another avenue of enjoyment being taken away from me.

So another avenue of enjoyment has been taken away because of the manager that has been put on place?there's no reason why the U-21's won't be in the mix for major honours given the talent coming through at that level, even with a reasonably competent figure at the helm.

It s not just about Dempsey for me. Just think there s a very cosy group deciding things and while the figure at the helm might be competent he is showing no indication that he is better than that. O Connor, Harte and Kernan can hardly be described as competent.

I think Dempsey should've been given the job but that he wasn't is no reason to write them off completely surely?

There's no indication that he's not either in fairness, O'Connor was a selector under Padi when things went pear shaped


I was thinking more of Johnno who will be de facto manager of the U21s if the situation we re hearing about comes to pass.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: spectator on October 15, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:38:34 PMI d be expecting more Campbell/ Kilcullen casualties as he uses his bludgeoning man- management style.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 15, 2009, 09:03:26 AM
The reason why I said how there must be a lack of county standard players in the 22-30 age group is that Johnno will be gone after 2011, unless he is hoping for a total dictatorship, what good is him pulling the strings of u-21 management going to be?

Ye don't rate Johnno's man-management skills, or think that he's giving everyone a fair crack of the whip, lads ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 15, 2009, 10:01:09 PM
Quote from: spectator on October 15, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:38:34 PMI d be expecting more Campbell/ Kilcullen casualties as he uses his bludgeoning man- management style.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 15, 2009, 09:03:26 AM
The reason why I said how there must be a lack of county standard players in the 22-30 age group is that Johnno will be gone after 2011, unless he is hoping for a total dictatorship, what good is him pulling the strings of u-21 management going to be?

Ye don't rate Johnno's man-management skills, or think that he's giving everyone a fair crack of the whip, lads ???

Errr no, not exactly. Unless you think a medieval Pope a good template for intercounty management.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 15, 2009, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 04:17:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 15, 2009, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 15, 2009, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
f**k it, I used to look forward to the under 21 championship. Used to make nearly all the games. Another avenue of enjoyment being taken away from me.

So another avenue of enjoyment has been taken away because of the manager that has been put on place?there's no reason why the U-21's won't be in the mix for major honours given the talent coming through at that level, even with a reasonably competent figure at the helm.

It s not just about Dempsey for me. Just think there s a very cosy group deciding things and while the figure at the helm might be competent he is showing no indication that he is better than that. O Connor, Harte and Kernan can hardly be described as competent.

I think Dempsey should've been given the job but that he wasn't is no reason to write them off completely surely?

There's no indication that he's not either in fairness, O'Connor was a selector under Padi when things went pear shaped


I was thinking more of Johnno who will be de facto manager of the U21s if the situation we re hearing about comes to pass.

Yeah. sorry just got that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 16, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
Are ye going to spend the entire winter bitching about Johnno?

In fairness, all we hoped for this year was a Connacht title and a decent performance after that. We got a bit over half of that but the bottom line is that we don't have the players, particularly around the middle, to compete.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 16, 2009, 05:41:06 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 16, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
Are ye going to spend the entire winter bitching about Johnno?

In fairness, all we hoped for this year was a Connacht title and a decent performance after that. We got a bit over half of that but the bottom line is that we don't have the players, particularly around the middle, to compete.

Agreed
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 17, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 16, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
Are ye going to spend the entire winter bitching about Johnno?

In fairness, all we hoped for this year was a Connacht title and a decent performance after that. We got a bit over half of that but the bottom line is that we don't have the players, particularly around the middle, to compete.

If we spend the winter bitching about Johnno it s because he has given us plenty to be bitching about. Your bottom line does nt stand scrutiny but your entitled to defend the man. We have the players. Johnno has more coming through last few years from top4 U21 teams than most managers can only dream about. How he deploys his resources is another thing. He has a division 1 squad which capitulated against an ordinary Meath team. His selection, tactics and the physical preparation of the team are all flawed. Damningly several players like Higgins, Conor Mort, Harte, Parsons and McGarrity have not reached their potential under his guidance. That s why we re not as competitive as we should be.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 17, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 16, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
Are ye going to spend the entire winter bitching about Johnno?

In fairness, all we hoped for this year was a Connacht title and a decent performance after that. We got a bit over half of that but the bottom line is that we don't have the players, particularly around the middle, to compete.

We didn't get the bit in bold this year though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on October 17, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 16, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
Are ye going to spend the entire winter bitching about Johnno?

In fairness, all we hoped for this year was a Connacht title and a decent performance after that. We got a bit over half of that but the bottom line is that we don't have the players, particularly around the middle, to compete.

It's not like Johnno is any stranger to bitching himself Mac. See where he was at it again last week?

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7866&Itemid=39

That sort of whining can go two ways. It can get the team to develop a chip-on-the-shoulder, us-against-the-world mentality, as perfected by Jack O'Connor. Or you can have them spending the winter feeling sorry for themselves about how everyone is against them. And that's not even mentioning them rotten oul' hoors on the GAA Board.

I don't think that sort of whining from a man who's meant to be leading by example does anybody any good, and I don't have a problem with spending the winter bitching about O'Mahony. I think he got off very lightly in terms of analysis of this year.

In the Championship, Mayo beat a putrid Roscommon and the worst Galway team of the past ten years. Meath met Mayo in Croker as a team who were waiting to be put out of their misery, only to grow as the game went on when they realised that Mayo were by no means as advertised and end up winning pulling up by the end.

Some of the line decisions were mind-boggling. If you think a man can't cut it and start someone else instead, what does bringing on the man who was dropped as a sub during the game do only show you were wrong in the first place and you're just hoping for the best? None of this stuff adds up.

I hate to say it, but Johnno has a fierce look of a man living on past glories right now. And I don't understand why the Mayo public is so accepting of this. Not least as they've been so eager to run men out of town on rails for less.  >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 18, 2009, 05:47:13 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 17, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
We have the players.

I don't think we have - we're light up front, need another Alan Dillon or two. We're short one dog of a midfielder (and Ronan McGarrity will continue to struggle until he has someone like DB beside him)

Whilst the Meath result was very disappointing, I don't see how anyone could make the claim that this team is capable of challenging either Tyrone or Kerry, even if we had Mickey Harte at the helm!

I also don't see the point in repeating past mistakes of running men out of town on rails until there is a credible replacement ready to step into the role.

Q for ICC and Moysider - who would you want to see taking over now?
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Post by: Barney on October 18, 2009, 09:46:55 AM
This is the reason why we are never going to bridge that gap to the top.

Any reasonable and logical County Board would look at the candidates for the u21 job - see Ray Dempsey has worked wonders with the minors the past two years especially, move towards continuity and development and move him along.

Instead it is looking like they are considering appointing Gallagher. I wouldn't be so sure he will quit the senior set-up. I think this is a money issue with the County Board who never look at the bigger picture. Gallagher trains the Mayo team - so why not have him train both teams at the same time and reduce costs? The Co Board and JOM are more than happy to play ball with the GAA and honour the closed season in November and December. A forward thinking manager like Dempsey would want to get down to business straight away like they are doing in the top counties. In any event the players at u21 level should not be focused on for 3/4 months only. The players that want to make it should be part of development panels working on programmes on a constant basis. The funny thing is I don't think anybody on the senior panel rates Gallagher.

I have reservations about our senior team and the gutless performance against Meath has not met with the ire you would have expected locally because I think people believe now that no matter what they say there is a cosy group controlling the whole thing.

However the young players coming through are prospects and Ray Dempsey has gone for a definitive blue-print of big men which needs to be carried forward for reward to come. To ignore this project now will only mean another generation of failure. The correct appointment may not result in loads of silverware at u21 level but will result in the proper development of players and will pay-off.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 18, 2009, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 18, 2009, 05:47:13 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 17, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
We have the players.

I don't think we have - we're light up front, need another Alan Dillon or two. We're short one dog of a midfielder (and Ronan McGarrity will continue to struggle until he has someone like DB beside him)

Whilst the Meath result was very disappointing, I don't see how anyone could make the claim that this team is capable of challenging either Tyrone or Kerry, even if we had Mickey Harte at the helm!

I also don't see the point in repeating past mistakes of running men out of town on rails until there is a credible replacement ready to step into the role.

Q for ICC and Moysider - who would you want to see taking over now?

I would argue that we have the players. As regards challenging Kerry or Tyrone. There has always been a Kerry or Tyrone and there always will. Lets face it both looked vunerable at times this year. But the way things are here we would need 5 young James Nallens and 5 Alan Dillons to come along at the same time to win anything because we seem to incapable of building a team. 

Look at some of the things that O Connor and Harte have done to make their teams more competitiveand winners. Convert Cormac MCanallen into a fullback, Play Joe McMahon in the full-back line. Recall Stephen O Neill before an AI final. Bring back Michael McCarty after 2 years out. Retain Cooper and T O Sé after going drinking. nConverting Tommy Griffin to fullback. Getting Galvin to focus on his game. Could you imagine Johnno doin any of that?  Dont think so. I wont mention the obvious one but where was Aidan Higgins this year when there was nt a corner back in the panel. It s no exaggeration to say that his absence this year cost us a semi-final spot. If Charlestown win the county final he will probably get player of the year. What kind of judgement is that? He should have been drafted into team after Connacht final as some of us pointed out way back then. Plus with likes of Harte you would get cutting edge sports science in preparation and not an outdated Kilty programme left to Gallagher to impart in sessions. Plus likes of O Connor and Harte man manage individuals instead of switching to auto pilot and delegating to sports psychologists and pulling tricks like quest speakers to impress the lads. Passé.

With all of the talk Johnno had about picking a panel he ended up with about 10 players he was unable to use. Ok 10 is over the top but not much. Why was Austin still there? And was Seamus O Sé supposed to be the midfield dog? If he is permanently injured why was nobody else groomed for the role? Or play a 3 man midfield? The roles of Trevor and Ronaldson as a sub were also fanciful to say the least.

Not sure who I would like to take over. Now Kernan would have been nice to see. Galway did nt hang around and Sammon did nt do an awful lot wrong. There is no ready made replacement and there wont be either. So the obvoius thing for this board is to go down the crony route and give Holmes another term of soft ould chat. But in fairness how much worse could last 3 years have been? Dempsey seems to have a sound football philosophy so why hang around there?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Greenabovethered on October 20, 2009, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: descartes on October 20, 2009, 11:16:45 AM
you wouldnt think there was a county final on this weekend at all judging by this thread... went back 3-4 pages and didn't see any mention of the game coming up. (very funny about the planning permission c**k up, reminds me of our own county board, good to see we're not the only ones who have a useless shower in charge  ::) )  I'm a Cavan man with friends playing for both clubs. was thinking of heading down to take in the match but its a fair old trip.

Any body got any predictions for me or insights in to how the game will go?

I'd say that Knockmore will try and keep the match physical from start to finish. If Charlestown can get their running game going I think they will win. If not and both teams get embroiled in a slugfest, then there will be at least 3 sendings off with Knockmore winning by a point or two. I think Kevin O'Neill got his marching orders the last time these two met in the County final?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 20, 2009, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: descartes on October 20, 2009, 11:16:45 AM
you wouldnt think there was a county final on this weekend at all judging by this thread... went back 3-4 pages and didn't see any mention of the game coming up. (very funny about the planning permission c**k up, reminds me of our own county board, good to see we're not the only ones who have a useless shower in charge  ::) )  I'm a Cavan man with friends playing for both clubs. was thinking of heading down to take in the match but its a fair old trip.

Any body got any predictions for me or insights in to how the game will go?

Did you check the MAYO CLUB FOOTBALL THREAD??? ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 20, 2009, 05:08:21 PM

According to today s Western Dempsey is the only nomination for the U21 job.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 20, 2009, 11:02:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 20, 2009, 05:08:21 PM

According to today s Western Dempsey is the only nomination for the U21 job.

That is good news - does that mean the Kieran Gallagher idea is out the window, or does he not have to be nominated because the CB will do what they want anyway?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 21, 2009, 12:22:15 AM

As far as I know there has to be a nomination from a club in advance of the meeting. Dempsey taking over the U 21s probably a step in the right direction. But not without risk for himself as he will be expected to keep that u21 Connacht run going. On the other hand the minors could well be in the shake-up again. The minor management will be very important too.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on October 21, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
mayo need an outside manager. Mickey moran came in and had o'neill, mcdonald, a higgins and d brady in the panel together. JOM and maughan had issues with these players at different stages and as a result mayo lost out. Its bullshit. Mayo players are too soft. Time we got an edge. K' O'Neill mentioned a higgins as a player mayo needs. A hardy f***er. No messing with him.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2009, 09:28:04 AM
So who do we want in the draw this evening?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on October 22, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
Galway 1st Round or Semi.....Lets have them early. Covers us in 2 ways, beat them and we'll know what we are like early....loose and we'll have a better chance in the back door, have always done poorly in the back door after loosing the connacht final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2009, 01:37:33 PM
Semi it is so, for they are in NY I think for the first round (if we get Galway)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on October 23, 2009, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 22, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
Galway 1st Round or Semi.....Lets have them early. Covers us in 2 ways, beat them and we'll know what we are like early....loose and we'll have a better chance in the back door, have always done poorly in the back door after loosing the connacht final.

There's a slight loophole in your hypothesis there Ballinaman. What if Mayo lose because we're cat?  :-[
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on October 23, 2009, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 23, 2009, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 22, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
Galway 1st Round or Semi.....Lets have them early. Covers us in 2 ways, beat them and we'll know what we are like early....loose and we'll have a better chance in the back door, have always done poorly in the back door after loosing the connacht final.

There's a slight loophole in your hypothesis there Ballinaman. What if Mayo lose because we're cat?  :-[

Ha ya, well at least we'll know that early too!!! To be honest...i think we might know that by the league!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on October 23, 2009, 04:10:06 PM
Sligo first away and if we get over that Galway at home. Ricky Nixon after Aidan O'Shea now  >:( ...

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=119503

Controversial AFL agent Ricky Nixon has admitted that Mayo ace Aidan O'Shea is his next target as he seeks to bolster the number of players linked to his Flying Start Academy Down Under.

The rising 19 year old Mayo star is being lined up by Nixon as he tries to broke deals for the five clubs linked to his academy.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on October 27, 2009, 10:40:50 PM
Ray Dempsey confirmed as U-21 manager, this is good news.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 27, 2009, 10:49:56 PM
Who will be the new minor manager? Or will Ray be taking both......??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 27, 2009, 10:40:50 PM
Ray Dempsey confirmed as U-21 manager, this is good news.

Fair play, hopefully he will get the best out of them and that we can continue our winning streak in Connacht.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 28, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 27, 2009, 10:40:50 PM
Ray Dempsey confirmed as U-21 manager, this is good news.

Fair play, hopefully he will get the best out of them and that we can continue our winning streak in Connacht.

If memory serves me correct, the current crop of Mayo U21's are the same guys that lost to Roscommon in the 2007 Connacht Minor final?

From this report:
http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/2007/06/27/story37338.asp

The players used that day were:
Josh Tierney, Michael Gallagher, Kevin Keane, Kevin McLoughlin, Sean Prendergast, Micheal Jennings, Ruairdhri O'Connor, Sean Morris, Michael Nestor, Keith Glynn (c), Caoimhin Carty, Niall Prenty, Mark Tierney, Jason Doherty, Alan Freeman.

Subs used: Damien Keane (for Carty 24), Aidan O'Shea (for Tierney 42), Gary Loftus (for Glynn 42), Ronan Warde (for Nestor 50), Donal Gallagher (for Morris 59).

Its a fairly decent team on paper, and there will most likely be some new additions to the set-up.
But I always felt, that minor team didnt really reach their potential, so hopefully they will be stronger this time around.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on October 29, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
Good to see Dempsey getting the U21 job. There'll be a fair bit of expectation on him and the squad though.
We have won 4 Connacht U21 titles in a row, and now have the manager (and a lot of the players) that were involved in 2 All-Ireland minor finals in a row.
It's also very important that the right person is appointed as minor manager. There has been great work put in over the last few years, and that momentum needs to be continued.
I've heard one name stronly linked with the job. Who would be the choices of board members?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 29, 2009, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 29, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
Good to see Dempsey getting the U21 job. There'll be a fair bit of expectation on him and the squad though.
We have won 4 Connacht U21 titles in a row, and now have the manager (and a lot of the players) that were involved in 2 All-Ireland minor finals in a row.
It's also very important that the right person is appointed as minor manager. There has been great work put in over the last few years, and that momentum needs to be continued.
I've heard one name stronly linked with the job. Who would be the choices of board members?

James Horan? I've also heard Martin Connolly and Shane Conway linked. I'd be happy with either. Would probably prefer Horan, only if it was to take him away from the Tubber!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo 4 eva on October 29, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
For me id like to see Martin Connolly in charge.  As i see it he would have an advantage in that he would see a lot of players in the variuos schools games involving teams from Mayo. That surely would be an advantage as trial matches might not always produce the best players.
I also think its no coinsidence that colleges football is strong in Mayo, at a time where the county set up has improved.  Galway won more than their fair share when St. Mary's, the bish, st pats, and jarlaths ruled supreme in the schools game in the provence.
I would also suggest that there be a member of the backround team from north,south and east to go to the club games to keep the pressure on the chosen panel, and spot new players, something Ray tried to do i tkink.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on October 29, 2009, 01:02:30 PM
What's the position of the U-21 championship, is it at the semi stage? whos left?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 29, 2009, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 29, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I've heard one name stronly linked with the job. Who would be the choices of board members?

James Horan? I've also heard Martin Connolly and Shane Conway linked. I'd be happy with either. Would probably prefer Horan, only if it was to take him away from the Tubber!

Is that putting words in the mans mouth R&GS?  ;)
Everyone in the 'tubber would like to hold onto James if we can...

I know ye Breaffy shower would love to weaken us as much as possible!  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: mortified on October 29, 2009, 01:02:30 PM
What's the position of the U-21 championship, is it at the semi stage? whos left?

I think the four teams that are left are:
Breaffy
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Castlebar Mitchels

Knockmore probably being favourites for it, Castlebar and Breaffy close second and third favourites.

The semi's will probably be ran off after this weekends Senior League fixtures
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on October 29, 2009, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 29, 2009, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 29, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I've heard one name stronly linked with the job. Who would be the choices of board members?

James Horan? I've also heard Martin Connolly and Shane Conway linked. I'd be happy with either. Would probably prefer Horan, only if it was to take him away from the Tubber!

Although I am not sure if he has expressed an interest, Stephen Healy would be a good candidate, Successful with Charlestown in 2001/2002 and has been a selector for the past three years. Personally I am not sure how individuals can give the amount of time involved.
Is that putting words in the mans mouth R&GS?  ;)
Everyone in the 'tubber would like to hold onto James if we can...

I know ye Breaffy shower would love to weaken us as much as possible!  :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
joemamas,
Why did you just post a quote and not say anything?  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on October 29, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
joemamas,
Why did you just post a quote and not say anything?  ???

Apologies, I would categorize myself as sometimes technologically challenged. Not sure how my quote got mixed up in the middle of your one.

Although I am not sure if he has expressed an interest, Stephen Healy would be a good candidate, Successful with Charlestown in 2001/2002 and has been a selector for the past three years. Personally I am not sure how individuals can give the amount of time involved.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: joemamas on October 29, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
joemamas,
Why did you just post a quote and not say anything?  ???

Apologies, I would categorize myself as sometimes technologically challenged. Not sure how my quote got mixed up in the middle of your one.


No prob!   ;)
I thought that you thought you had posted something when you didnt.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on October 29, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on October 29, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
For me id like to see Martin Connolly in charge.  As i see it he would have an advantage in that he would see a lot of players in the variuos schools games involving teams from Mayo. That surely would be an advantage as trial matches might not always produce the best players.
I also think its no coinsidence that colleges football is strong in Mayo, at a time where the county set up has improved.  Galway won more than their fair share when St. Mary's, the bish, st pats, and jarlaths ruled supreme in the schools game in the provence.
I would also suggest that there be a member of the backround team from north,south and east to go to the club games to keep the pressure on the chosen panel, and spot new players, something Ray tried to do i tkink.

The Bish? When did they rule Connacht Colleges Gaa?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on October 29, 2009, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on October 29, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
For me id like to see Martin Connolly in charge.  As i see it he would have an advantage in that he would see a lot of players in the variuos schools games involving teams from Mayo. That surely would be an advantage as trial matches might not always produce the best players.
I also think its no coinsidence that colleges football is strong in Mayo, at a time where the county set up has improved.  Galway won more than their fair share when St. Mary's, the bish, st pats, and jarlaths ruled supreme in the schools game in the provence.
I would also suggest that there be a member of the backround team from north,south and east to go to the club games to keep the pressure on the chosen panel, and spot new players, something Ray tried to do i tkink.

The Bish? When did they rule Connacht Colleges Gaa?

Ya sure they are a soccer school......
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 29, 2009, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: mortified on October 29, 2009, 01:02:30 PM
What's the position of the U-21 championship, is it at the semi stage? whos left?

Knockmore play Ballinrobe on Sunday in the remaining quarterfinal.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on October 29, 2009, 10:07:20 PM
Not the final quarter final. Mitchels have to play Aghamore yet. But that game is not fixed for this weekend. Ballintubber playing the winners of Ballinrobe and Knockmore. Breaffy playing winners of Mitchels v Aghamore. Looks like three west Mayo semi-finalists.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on October 29, 2009, 10:53:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 29, 2009, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on October 29, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
For me id like to see Martin Connolly in charge.  As i see it he would have an advantage in that he would see a lot of players in the variuos schools games involving teams from Mayo. That surely would be an advantage as trial matches might not always produce the best players.
I also think its no coinsidence that colleges football is strong in Mayo, at a time where the county set up has improved.  Galway won more than their fair share when St. Mary's, the bish, st pats, and jarlaths ruled supreme in the schools game in the provence.
I would also suggest that there be a member of the backround team from north,south and east to go to the club games to keep the pressure on the chosen panel, and spot new players, something Ray tried to do i tkink.

The Bish? When did they rule Connacht Colleges Gaa?

Ya sure they are a soccer school......

Would they not be more into rugby? Anyway, its equal.

I think Martin Connolly would be an ideal candidate for the job, as I'd say JH would be more than happy to continue with the good work he's doing with 'Tubber
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on October 30, 2009, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 29, 2009, 02:16:49 PM

Knockmore probably being favourites for it, Castlebar and Breaffy close second and third favourites.


Sure ye probably have no point turning up at all  ::) Given that ye are only missing three from last years starting champions and that ye have added Cillian O'Connor I think ye might have a fair shout in retaining the title. Fourth favourites  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo 4 eva on October 30, 2009, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 29, 2009, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on October 29, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
For me id like to see Martin Connolly in charge.  As i see it he would have an advantage in that he would see a lot of players in the variuos schools games involving teams from Mayo. That surely would be an advantage as trial matches might not always produce the best players.
I also think its no coinsidence that colleges football is strong in Mayo, at a time where the county set up has improved.  Galway won more than their fair share when St. Mary's, the bish, st pats, and jarlaths ruled supreme in the schools game in the provence.
I would also suggest that there be a member of the backround team from north,south and east to go to the club games to keep the pressure on the chosen panel, and spot new players, something Ray tried to do i tkink.

The Bish? When did they rule Connacht Colleges Gaa?

Ya sure they are a soccer school......

I stand Corrected lads... Yer dead right about em... soccer/rugby are their games.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 30, 2009, 10:27:52 PM
Where in Westport is their pitch? Is it the one at The Paddock or is that Westport United's pitch?  ???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on November 01, 2009, 01:29:48 PM
Michael Schlingermann was in goals for Sligo Rovers against Bohs on Friday night!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on November 07, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Any word on where we're at with the panel?

Any drop-outs, interesting additions?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 07, 2009, 08:57:46 PM
I wonder will O'Mahony get the players to train before the close season closes, if you know what I mean. He should have done it last year instead of moaning and whinging at every opportunity when it was too late.

On another note, when is the closing date for the panel this time? :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 09, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Barney on November 07, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Any word on where we're at with the panel?

Any drop-outs, interesting additions?

As far as I know Richie Feeney and Neil Douglas from Mitchles were added to the panel.
R&GS might know of more additions...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 09, 2009, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 09, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Barney on November 07, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Any word on where we're at with the panel?

Any drop-outs, interesting additions?

As far as I know Richie Feeney and Neil Douglas from Mitchles were added to the panel.
R&GS might know of more additions...

Alan Feeney, not Richie. I didn't hear any other names mentioned as of yet . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 09, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 09, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Barney on November 07, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Any word on where we're at with the panel?

Any drop-outs, interesting additions?

As far as I know Richie Feeney and Neil Douglas from Mitchles were added to the panel.
R&GS might know of more additions...

What is this panel actually doing does anybody know?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 10, 2009, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: moysider on November 09, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 09, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Barney on November 07, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Any word on where we're at with the panel?

Any drop-outs, interesting additions?

As far as I know Richie Feeney and Neil Douglas from Mitchles were added to the panel.
R&GS might know of more additions...

What is this panel actually doing does anybody know?

Working with the best weight, nutrition and training programmes known to man, of course.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 10, 2009, 09:13:46 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on November 10, 2009, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: moysider on November 09, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 09, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Barney on November 07, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Any word on where we're at with the panel?

Any drop-outs, interesting additions?

As far as I know Richie Feeney and Neil Douglas from Mitchles were added to the panel.
R&GS might know of more additions...

What is this panel actually doing does anybody know?

Working with the best weight, nutrition and training programmes known to man, of course.

Will that make them "the fittest team in Ireland" again this year?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on November 10, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
Jim Kieltys interview on the radio in the build up to the Meath game was annoying and we didnt need to hear it, coming on radio and saying that this "mayo team was the fittest football team he ever saw", thats not the kind of thing you should be saying in the week of a big all ireland q\final, is he back with them this year???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 10, 2009, 10:09:32 AM
Quote from: Davitt Man on November 10, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
Jim Kieltys interview on the radio in the build up to the Meath game was annoying and we didnt need to hear it, coming on radio and saying that this "mayo team was the fittest football team he ever saw", thats not the kind of thing you should be saying in the week of a big all ireland q\final, is he back with them this year???

I dont know.
But we were far from the fittest team in Ireland last year. We were out on our feet in the final minutes against Galway and totally died on our feet against Meath. I thought Kielty gave the soundbyte to raise his own profile a bit, but it was a daft thing to say.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on November 10, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
Was told yesterday that Aidan O'Shea is in Australia for trials at the moment.
Anyone know if this is true? Would have expected it to be known around the county if it was the case.
It was second hand news, but the person who told the person who told me (if you follow!) would be a fairly reliable source I'd imagine. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 10, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
Liam Mc off to clare

Former Mayo star ready to become new Clare coach

Mike Finnerty

THE latest chapter in the GAA career of Liam McHale looks set to begin tonight (Tuesday) with the former Mayo footballer set to be confirmed as the new coach of the Clare senior football team.
It has emerged that the former Mayo midfielder and selector is part of Micheál McDermott's proposed Clare football management team.
If McDermott is ratified as the new Clare boss at tonight's County Board meeting, the Kilmurry-Ibrickane manager will be joined by McHale and former Clare footballer Colm Clancy for the 2010 season.
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, the 44 years-old said that he was looking forward to the new challenge.
"I've always said that I want to manage Mayo some day and this is a stepping stone in that direction," said McHale. "I'm really looking forward to this new challenge in Clare. I really enjoyed working in a coaching capacity with Kevin McStay and the Mayo U-21s, and with John Maughan and the Mayo seniors. This will be a great opportunity for me."
The Ballina Stephenite was head-hunted by Micheál McDermott after being highly-recommended by a number of third-parties. McHale met with Clare GAA officials ten days ago and has been impressed with what he has seen and heard.
"I've met Micheál a couple of times, and the Clare County Board as well, and I've been very impressed with what I've heard. They have realistic ambitions; they want to get out of Division 4 and be competitive in the championship.
"Any time I came up against Clare on the football field I found them hard to beat and very competitive. I'm very confident that this Clare team will be no different. I'm sure they'll have a good attitude and will want to improve."
McHale has just completed his first year as manager of the Ballina Stephenites senior football team and, despite committing to the Clare coaching job for at least twelve months, he revealed that he is keen for a second season with his club team.
"I'd like to continue as manager with Ballina," he explained. "I've spoken to some of the club officials, but they'll have to meet now, discuss the situation, and see if it's possible for me to do both jobs. I'm keen to make it work though. I've done a lot of work with this group and I'd love to get a second year to try and make more progress with them."

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on November 10, 2009, 02:59:57 PM
Get rid of kilty. No time for that shite in gaa. Maybe mayo should go down the route of Kildare and bring in some boxing.( Kildare host an annual boxing night, fights between players, mcgeeney fights aswell!)
Know of someone who was at it last year and they said there was no holding back. Thats what mayo need.... a bit of bite. let them box away and they'll learn how to take and give punsihment. Can't imagine dillon, conor mortimer,keith higgins being too fond of this idea but it's something mayo are clearly missing.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 10, 2009, 10:27:48 PM

The reason I asked about the panel is this. Every year clubs are asked to sell county board tickets at E100 a pop. A lot of clubs find it difficult to sell their allocation. This year it will be even more difficult. Last year a club treasurer I know was informed that his club would have to produce the goods or else. Every training session he was told cost 2grand. This came from the top shelf.
Now I would be disappointed if scarce funds were being squandered still. After the Meath game that should have been it until New Year. Be different if there was a new manager. Surely nobody sees county training as a little earner.
As regards Kilty. I ve expressed my reservetions about him several times over last few years. But Johnno could be arrogant enough to go with the same again.If he does best of luck to him. It would be wishful thinking to expect him to do things differently now. He s obviously comfortable with things the way they are. He appears to have complete control over every aspect of the team preparation  and even though the system is not exactly cutting edge, I honestly think control is more important to Johnno than progress and results.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on November 10, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
I'm sure if they weren't feeding the county board lads who have no need to be there it would cost a little less. Maybe some players who never feature should be paying money back to!!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on November 10, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
I've asked around about Kilty and the overwhelming opinion is that he is a snake oil merchant that got very lucky with the quality of athlete he trained. My advice would be to get rid of him now. Forget about that boxing malarkey as well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 10, 2009, 11:21:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 10, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
I've asked around about Kilty and the overwhelming opinion is that he is a snake oil merchant that got very lucky with the quality of athlete he trained. My advice would be to get rid of him now. Forget about that boxing malarkey as well.

If we get this Kilty guy wheeled out again at least we ll know we can take the year out. I was told by an athletics coach nearly 2 years ago that he had nt a clue. Worringly Johnno has had his own card marked about him and the inadequacies in the physical preparation. Yet he persists. The man has no problem getting rid of players before their time but cant bring himself to reform his 'staff' even though the contribution of a few is questionable.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on November 10, 2009, 11:44:01 PM
Yeah I've defend Johnno against, what I felt, was some unwarranted criticism but is seems fairly common knowledge that Kilty is a fraud so if O'Mahoney isn't aware of this or is ignoring it then he stands indicted of gross negligence.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on November 10, 2009, 11:50:12 PM
He doesnt have the same interest in mayo as he had with galway
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on November 10, 2009, 11:58:46 PM
Jeysus lads you might want to edit some of those comments.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 11, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
Not alone do we not look fit, but physically we dont even look as big as teams like Meath and Galway. Something has to be wrong.

And another thing, one time ago county training in Mayo had the reputation of being hell. Stories of Maughan putting guys through their paces in Beltra and hard running in the training ground were in abundance.

Now; you never hear of how hard county training is. It would make you wonder.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on November 11, 2009, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on November 11, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
Not alone do we not look fit, but physically we dont even look as big as teams like Meath and Galway. Something has to be wrong.

And another thing, one time ago county training in Mayo had the reputation of being hell. Stories of Maughan putting guys through their paces in Beltra and hard running in the training ground were in abundance.

Now; you never hear of how hard county training is. It would make you wonder.

Its all about sports scienec now and yoga, pilates, gym work. Not many teams go to training and do 30laps bar Micko with wicklow
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 11, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
Well its hard to know. Mayo were brought for a few 'dog' training sessions in February below in Belleek. The point was made then that Mayo were flying fit in May when teams like Cork and Kerry were only cranking up their levels for late summer. By the time late summer came for Mayo, we had shot our bolt in fitness terms.

In terms of hard training sessions, they may not be as prevalent as before but they still serve a purpose. I think they are great for team morale and great for mental fortitude.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on November 11, 2009, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on November 11, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
Well its hard to know. Mayo were brought for a few 'dog' training sessions in February below in Belleek. The point was made then that Mayo were flying fit in May when teams like Cork and Kerry were only cranking up their levels for late summer. By the time late summer came for Mayo, we had shot our bolt in fitness terms.

In terms of hard training sessions, they may not be as prevalent as before but they still serve a purpose. I think they are great for team morale and great for mental fortitude.

Agreed. JM used to bring the team for 5 mile runs down on the beach in Enniscrone back in 96/97...really did look like military training when you would see about 30 lads hitting off across the beach together.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on November 11, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
ya that was kinda legendary stuff, remember seeing the team running in enniscrone, big personalitys on them teams (96/97)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on November 11, 2009, 01:07:27 PM
That type of stuff won't get Mayo anywhere. What's needed isn't so much a new trainer (though they should do that as well) but for the Mayo CB to devise (with people with the necessary expertise) a developmental plan to produce both athletes and footballers. All county teans from U16 to U21 should be prepared on the basis of development teams. In other words they are not primarily prepared to win the competitions they compete in but to provide the senior county team with properly rounded footballers.

If you think about it, a talented 17 year old makes the county minor panel and from then until he is 21 he will train, not to improve his weaknesses, both physical and footballingly, but to win trophies. And we then wonder why senior footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass or put the ball over the bar? And don't talk to me about goals most footballers couldn't score 70% of one on ones in training let alone games.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 11, 2009, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 11, 2009, 01:07:27 PM
That type of stuff won't get Mayo anywhere. What's needed isn't so much a new trainer (though they should do that as well) but for the Mayo CB to devise (with people with the necessary expertise) a developmental plan to produce both athletes and footballers. All county teans from U16 to U21 should be prepared on the basis of development teams. In other words they are not primarily prepared to win the competitions they compete in but to provide the senior county team with properly rounded footballers.

If you think about it, a talented 17 year old makes the county minor panel and from then until he is 21 he will train, not to improve his weaknesses, both physical and footballingly, but to win trophies. And we then wonder why senior footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass or put the ball over the bar? And don't talk to me about goals most footballers couldn't score 70% of one on ones in training let alone games.

I agree fully. I think this rounded approach is needed. But I do think there is value in an odd 'dog' of a session. I don't mean laps and laps and laps. But a really intense session where lads are pushed to the limit and lads are carried over the line by their teammates. Interval sprints; long sprints, variations on shuttle runs etc. This type of thing goes on all the time but I do get the impression that the intensity is lacking. I probably didn't make myself clear earlier.

The Connacht Under 16 competition - the Ted Webb - has become much more development centred and not as centred on competition. That's key. Ray Dempsey looks for minor players that he thinks have the fortitude for senior careers. Skills are still an issue. I think that in two years we might see a turn in the road in that regard. I hope so anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on November 11, 2009, 09:45:56 PM
I have read with interest all the plaudits Ray Dempsey has been getting. A few questions - Is his record any better than Jp Keans for example. I was at every Minor match for the past three years bar the Quarter Final in Tullamore this year. I firmly believe he cost us this years all ireland. His insistence on promoting players from his own club had an adverse effect on the whole panel. Also playing Corduff in the full forward line until half time in the final was a joke. I wont even go into his treatment of players but man management is not his forte.

He has some good attributes but messiah think again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 11, 2009, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on November 11, 2009, 09:45:56 PM
I have read with interest all the plaudits Ray Dempsey has been getting. A few questions - Is his record any better than Jp Keans for example. I was at every Minor match for the past three years bar the Quarter Final in Tullamore this year. I firmly believe he cost us this years all ireland. His insistence on promoting players from his own club had an adverse effect on the whole panel. Also playing Corduff in the full forward line until half time in the final was a joke. I wont even go into his treatment of players but man management is not his forte.

He has some good attributes but messiah think again.

Joking surely, only Ruttledge managed to finish a game when he started...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on November 11, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
It was like Lannigans Ball Ruttledge in, Ruttledge out Herbert In Herbert Out, Ruttledge In. One common theme Knockmore man on team plus Stadler on bench but never seen
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on November 11, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
ya thats a fair point. There was obvious bias towards his own club. But you can't blame him for Daniel O"Hara's complete lack of a footballing brain in 08. Or aidan walsh missing a simple free or Jack Mcdonnell trying to be a glory hunter. They all playing football long enough not to make the mistakes they did. Thats why we're not all-ireland champions
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 11, 2009, 10:57:28 PM
Nonsense lads. In fairness to Dempsey he's above that sort of shite. I could point the finger at other managers who weren't. Herbert was started in a bid to allow Aidan Walsh play in the full-forward line. It didn't work but it was a solid premise. Ruttledge did well most of the time. Its far too easy to throw that bias line at a manager. I don't see it. Recol you're obviously angry that Brian Walsh didn't get a run and wasn't in the squad for the final. I know, and I expect, that didn't go down well in Garrymore.

EDIT: And who says he's the Messiah? He has done well at minor level and deserves a shot at the next level and is getting it. He has managed to produce teams with a bit of steel in them, that Mayo teams have been lacking. I think myself and a few more would rate him but he has done well and I'm not sure how anyone can suggest he LOST us an All-Ireland. For heaven's sake he got two average teams into finals!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 11, 2009, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on November 11, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
It was like Lannigans Ball Ruttledge in, Ruttledge out Herbert In Herbert Out, Ruttledge In. One common theme Knockmore man on team plus Stadler on bench but never seen

So where's the Knockmore bias? Surely if there was Knockmore bias, all 3 would have to be playing every game all the time. Stadler's a good young lad, pity he didn't get more game time with Mayo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on November 11, 2009, 11:47:26 PM
he wasnt anywhere near the knockmore team was he? If he was a good enough minor he would be on Knockmore senior team. Was he not on minor panel in 08 aswell?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 11, 2009, 11:49:45 PM
Making it this year in a few games, good on the minor team though, not afraid to hold back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 12, 2009, 12:00:25 AM
There was no Knockmore bias as far as I could see. Knockmore have been a top minor team last 2 years and I d reckon Dempsey came under fire from home for not picking more of them more often. Ruttledge was well worth his place.
Comparisons with JPK dont stack up. JP had some fine teams but they went up in smoke in Croke Park. Dempsey might be no Henry Kessinger as a man manager - whatever that means- but he set out his teams in a way they had a realistic chance of winning against very good teams.
Now I happen to believe that the 08 minor team was probably one of the most talented that I remember. Maybe even the most talented. Fellas like Nally, Keane, Cafferkey, O Shea, Hennelly and Walsh were more quality than you could hope to expect in any year. They met one of the great minor teams but they would have won any of the last 10 or more AIs and would certainly have won this years. However a lot about of this years team was very good also. The defence kept us in every game. That s a huge developement imo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on November 12, 2009, 08:53:08 AM
I hope I am above parochial bias even though the treatment of that young man on the day before the final was scandalous. If you attended all the matches this year you could not say Ruttledge did well most of the time, he was taken off every day he started bar the final when he played well.

The point about Dempsey is that the jury is still out, he has only won connacht finals yet. He may turn out to be a very good manager but he has to develop into one. He has areas he needs to work on and maybe our fascination with big men is not the complete answer. Tyrone have won three all irelands with relatively small teams.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on November 12, 2009, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on November 11, 2009, 10:57:28 PM
Nonsense lads. In fairness to Dempsey he's above that sort of shite. I could point the finger at other managers who weren't. Herbert was started in a bid to allow Aidan Walsh play in the full-forward line. It didn't work but it was a solid premise. Ruttledge did well most of the time. Its far too easy to throw that bias line at a manager. I don't see it. Recol you're obviously angry that Brian Walsh didn't get a run and wasn't in the squad for the final. I know, and I expect, that didn't go down well in Garrymore.

EDIT: And who says he's the Messiah? He has done well at minor level and deserves a shot at the next level and is getting it. He has managed to produce teams with a bit of steel in them, that Mayo teams have been lacking. I think myself and a few more would rate him but he has done well and I'm not sure how anyone can suggest he LOST us an All-Ireland. For heaven's sake he got two average teams into finals!

Indeed, I remember thinking after the last 2 Connacht finals that the minors wouldn't go much further anyways and then sure enough the go all the way to the final.

Tyrone don't exactly have big men either, be hard to name a couple of players over 6 foot. I'm looking forward to see how Dempsey gets on with the U21s, i've high hopes for him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: dodo on November 17, 2009, 04:03:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 12, 2009, 09:28:49 AM
Indeed, I remember thinking after the last 2 Connacht finals that the minors wouldn't go much further anyways and then sure enough the go all the way to the final.

Tyrone don't exactly have small men either, be hard to name a couple of players under 6 foot. I'm looking forward to see how Dempsey gets on with the U21s, i've high hopes for him.

Ryan McMenamin   5'10" 
David Harte          5'10"
Conor Gormley      5'11"
Phillip Jordan         5'11"
Brian Dooher        5'10"
Brian McGuigan     5'10"
Martin Penrose     5'10"
Stephen O'Neill     ???
Colm McCullugh    5' 8" 
Owen Mulligan     5'11"
PJ Quinn             5'10"
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on November 17, 2009, 10:21:58 AM
Cheers abbeysider!! Thats what i meant to say, somehow manage to get it arseways though!!
Title: Minor Manager
Post by: Tubberman on November 24, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
There are 3 nominations in for the minor job. Tony Duffy, George Golden and Padraic Walsh.
All 3 from West Mayo as well, which makes a change in itself.

From The Mayo News:
QuoteWITH the deadline for nominations for the position of Mayo minor football manager closing last night (Monday), The Mayo News has learned that three West Mayo men are in the running for the job.
Former Mayo senior selector, George Golden, former Louisburgh manager, Padraic Walsh, and ex-Ballintubber footballer, Tony Duffy, have all confirmed that they have allowed their names to go forward for the vacant post.
George Golden, a former Kilmeena footballer who is now resident in Westport, was a selector under John Maughan with the Mayo senior football team for three seasons (2003 to 2005 inclusive).
The successful businessman was part of the backroom team for the All-Ireland Final defeat to Kerry in 2004, and also helped the Mayo U-21 team reach the All-Ireland decider that same year.
Padraic Walsh has managed Louisburgh, Westport and West Mayo during a long and distinguished career. The Allergan employee also led his company's senior football team to an All-Ireland inter-firms title.
The former Louisburgh footballer, who now lives in Kilmeena, is a former Mayo GAA Coaching Officer (a position he held for six years) and he has been the Mayo GAA Youth Officer for the last two years.
Tony Duffy is well-known for his role as joint-manager to the Ballintubber football team that captured the Mayo Intermediate championship title in 2007.
His work that season with James Horan followed on from his three year solo stint as Ballintubber manager. 
Duffy works as a teacher in St Louis Community School, Kiltimagh where his coaching partnership with Maurice Sheridan has won him plenty of admirers in recent seasons.
The duo led the school's senior team to the Connacht Colleges Senior 'B' League title last season, and a Championship final appearance, while they also captured the Flanagan Cup 'B' title earlier this month.
At the time of writing (Monday evening), it was not known whether or not any other nominations had been received by the Mayo GAA Board.
The interviews to find a candidate to replace Ray Dempsey (who won two Connacht Minor championships and reached two All-Ireland Finals in three years) are expected to take place next month.
Title: Re: Minor Manager
Post by: StoneWall on November 24, 2009, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 24, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
There are 3 nominations in for the minor job. Tony Duffy, George Golden and Padraic Walsh.
All 3 from West Mayo as well, which makes a change in itself.

Not exactly outstanding candidates! Not sure if any of them are up to the job but Duffy would be my pick from that list and is well ahead of the other two. I have a feeling that the county board will go for their old mate Golden even though he should not be let any where near the job!

I would liked to have seen James Horan nominated.
Title: Re: Minor Manager
Post by: muppet on November 24, 2009, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: StoneWall on November 24, 2009, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 24, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
There are 3 nominations in for the minor job. Tony Duffy, George Golden and Padraic Walsh.
All 3 from West Mayo as well, which makes a change in itself.

Not exactly outstanding candidates! Not sure if any of them are up to the job but Duffy would be my pick from that list and is well ahead of the other two. I have a feeling that the county board will go for their old mate Golden even though he should not be let any where near the job!

I would liked to have seen James Horan nominated.

Yea, best of luck Tony.
Title: Re: Minor Manager
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on November 25, 2009, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 24, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
There are 3 nominations in for the minor job. Tony Duffy, George Golden and Padraic Walsh.
All 3 from West Mayo as well, which makes a change in itself.

From The Mayo News:
QuoteWITH the deadline for nominations for the position of Mayo minor football manager closing last night (Monday), The Mayo News has learned that three West Mayo men are in the running for the job.
Former Mayo senior selector, George Golden, former Louisburgh manager, Padraic Walsh, and ex-Ballintubber footballer, Tony Duffy, have all confirmed that they have allowed their names to go forward for the vacant post.
George Golden, a former Kilmeena footballer who is now resident in Westport, was a selector under John Maughan with the Mayo senior football team for three seasons (2003 to 2005 inclusive).
The successful businessman was part of the backroom team for the All-Ireland Final defeat to Kerry in 2004, and also helped the Mayo U-21 team reach the All-Ireland decider that same year.
Padraic Walsh has managed Louisburgh, Westport and West Mayo during a long and distinguished career. The Allergan employee also led his company's senior football team to an All-Ireland inter-firms title.
The former Louisburgh footballer, who now lives in Kilmeena, is a former Mayo GAA Coaching Officer (a position he held for six years) and he has been the Mayo GAA Youth Officer for the last two years.
Tony Duffy is well-known for his role as joint-manager to the Ballintubber football team that captured the Mayo Intermediate championship title in 2007.
His work that season with James Horan followed on from his three year solo stint as Ballintubber manager. 
Duffy works as a teacher in St Louis Community School, Kiltimagh where his coaching partnership with Maurice Sheridan has won him plenty of admirers in recent seasons.
The duo led the school's senior team to the Connacht Colleges Senior 'B' League title last season, and a Championship final appearance, while they also captured the Flanagan Cup 'B' title earlier this month.
At the time of writing (Monday evening), it was not known whether or not any other nominations had been received by the Mayo GAA Board.
The interviews to find a candidate to replace Ray Dempsey (who won two Connacht Minor championships and reached two All-Ireland Finals in three years) are expected to take place next month.
Best of luck to the ex Ballyboden St Enda's man, would be nice to see him land the minor job and I have no doubt he would be well up to the task.   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 25, 2009, 01:56:24 PM
Ya the very best of luck to Tony...
I know he has been working very hard as of late getting his managerial badges and qualifications.

Combined, Tony and Maurice have a lot of experience, and they both would know football fairly well in the county through the schools set-up.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on November 25, 2009, 04:06:46 PM
Heard last night that there is a fourth nominee, Donal Tohuy from Bonni' also in the mix for the job
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on November 25, 2009, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: westmayo on November 25, 2009, 04:06:46 PM
Heard last night that there is a fourth nominee, Donal Tohuy from Bonni' also in the mix for the job

I wonder will we see any more late hats been thrown in the ring... ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 26, 2009, 12:51:55 AM

Nominations had to be in before now. I doubt that Touhy story is on the level.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on November 26, 2009, 09:00:09 PM
Apparently Paul Jordan from Castlebar Mitchels (originally Kilmovee) has his name in the hat too. I'd say Golden will get it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 29, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Given the hiding Charlestown got today by Corofin, has Mayo experienced a period that won't be repeated for a long time. I think we have blown our chance to lift Sam for a long, long time.  Maybe I'm being over-pessimistic but it's hard to be anything other than this when we consistently end up losing finals.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 29, 2009, 11:20:40 PM
I think you may be over pessimistic Farandeelin. Never thought I d see the day that somebody would be more pessimistic than I am!
When we had some of the best club teams in the country it did nt really translate into county success. 3 Connachts in the noughties when Cross, Ballina, Ballagh and Charlestown were really top club teams. In fact maybe we beat ourselves up on local fields too much. You might find a more modest local standard wont damage the county s prospects. Very few of Charlestown or Ballaghadereen players became regular county players. Its incredible that Aidan Higgans And David Tierney did nt have county careers. And not many from Ballina or Crossmolina as you would expect either when those clubs were as good as any club anywhere.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 04, 2009, 01:55:13 PM
Interesting article on the HoganStand quoting some cutting comments from Sean Feeney.

******************


Feeney slams 'leaderless' Mayo

04 December 2009

Mayo secretary Sean Feeney has blasted John O'Mahony's team over the manner of their second half collapse in last August's All-Ireland football quarter-final defeat by Meath.

In his report to next week's annual convention, the full-time secretary accuses the players of lacking leadership and added that manager John O'Mahony and his backroom team "have a lot of work to do".

Expressing clear disappointment with the demise, despite a Connacht success for the first time since 2006, Feeney says that the "total collapse" against the Royals was "inexcusable".

"The team lacked leadership and strength in key areas and until this is addressed we will not be serious contenders for Sam Maguire," he warned.

Feeney has also made a number of suggestions as to how more time can be made for club fixtures and players. He urges all minor, senior, U-21 and junior panels to be cut to 24 again - having previously been at that level before manager pressure restored it to the current 30.

And he proposes that the number of challenge matches be reduced and a compression of the inter-county season involving doubling up of championship weekends in Ulster and Leinster.

Feeney also suggests that the maximum time allowed off from club duty for senior inter-county players should be reduced from 13 to seven days. The Garrymore club have tabled a motion to the convention asking that the inter-provincial championships be discontinued "with immediate effect".
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on December 06, 2009, 09:56:12 AM
Just trying to settle a bet with a person at work, When was the last time Mayo played in the bottom division of the league?.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 06, 2009, 04:51:31 PM
I don't think we ever have, were in div 3 in 96
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 07, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Anybody know anything about the panel training at the moment.

Any trial games? Additions? Omissions?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on December 07, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 04, 2009, 01:55:13 PM
Interesting article on the HoganStand quoting some cutting comments from Sean Feeney.

******************


Feeney slams 'leaderless' Mayo

04 December 2009

Mayo secretary Sean Feeney has blasted John O'Mahony's team over the manner of their second half collapse in last August's All-Ireland football quarter-final defeat by Meath.

In his report to next week's annual convention, the full-time secretary accuses the players of lacking leadership and added that manager John O'Mahony and his backroom team "have a lot of work to do".

Expressing clear disappointment with the demise, despite a Connacht success for the first time since 2006, Feeney says that the "total collapse" against the Royals was "inexcusable".

"The team lacked leadership and strength in key areas and until this is addressed we will not be serious contenders for Sam Maguire," he warned.

Feeney has also made a number of suggestions as to how more time can be made for club fixtures and players. He urges all minor, senior, U-21 and junior panels to be cut to 24 again - having previously been at that level before manager pressure restored it to the current 30.

And he proposes that the number of challenge matches be reduced and a compression of the inter-county season involving doubling up of championship weekends in Ulster and Leinster.

Feeney also suggests that the maximum time allowed off from club duty for senior inter-county players should be reduced from 13 to seven days. The Garrymore club have tabled a motion to the convention asking that the inter-provincial championships be discontinued "with immediate effect".

And we all know how many "leaders" we have in the county board, especially when it comes to the self promoting and self-serving agendas. Plenty of leadership again shown in the Mc Hale Park debacle for example. Where does he get this nonsense from?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: Barney on December 07, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Anybody know anything about the panel training at the moment.

Any trial games? Additions? Omissions?

Heard from a few sources that some Cross player with blonde hair had a stormer at full forward in a recent trial game scoring a fair few points.....i kid you not :o
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 07, 2009, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: Barney on December 07, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Anybody know anything about the panel training at the moment.

Any trial games? Additions? Omissions?

Heard from a few sources that some Cross player with blonde hair had a stormer at full forward in a recent trial game scoring a fair few points.....i kid you not :o

I wonder is that shite though?

I know there was a charity game in Galway lately. Former Connacht heros Vs current Galway team or something to that effect. McDonald was supposed to have been sublime.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 07, 2009, 04:43:51 PM
QuoteQuote from: Barney on Today at 02:09:56 PM
Anybody know anything about the panel training at the moment.

Any trial games? Additions? Omissions?


Heard from a few sources that some Cross player with blonde hair had a stormer at full forward in a recent trial game scoring a fair few points.....i kid you not

I saw something like that on hoganstand but presumed it was shite talk. Where are you getting this from ballinaman?
I'd be very surprised if it turns out to be true, but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 05:00:14 PM
I've a friend who's bro is on the panel/team(not from ballina btw). He said it in passing the last day but didn't really have time to question him further. Saw it on hoganstand too so there is a good chance it is shite but ya never know! I'll do my best to confirm it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 08, 2009, 12:08:13 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 05:00:14 PM
I've a friend who's bro is on the panel/team(not from ballina btw). He said it in passing the last day but didn't really have time to question him further. Saw it on hoganstand too so there is a good chance it is shite but ya never know! I'll do my best to confirm it.

Just when I had some time ago made my peace with the fact that I would never see Mac again in the Mayo jersey. This is nt even funny. Of course it has to be shite though. If Johnno even though about this, after flittering away the past 3 years of Mayo  senior football on  whims and ego, he literally, should be taken out and .... realistically it wont happen . He s pulled his strokes and spun his yarn. I hope Mac and Aidan Higgins dont let themselves be used for some late-in -the-day rehabilitation. He s made his choices and he has to live with them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highking on December 08, 2009, 01:47:57 AM
Just heard that convention voted for the return of the divisional sides to the senior championship. That means the junior clubs will amalgamate to form North, South, East & West Mayo for Senior. It breaks down as follows:
North - Ardmoy, Lacken, Ardnaree, Lahardane, Kilfian & Ballycastle.
West - Islandeady, Louisburgh, Balla & Parke.
South - Carramore & Neale.
East - Kilmovee & Eastern Gaels.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on December 08, 2009, 03:29:47 AM
Quote from: highking on December 08, 2009, 01:47:57 AM
Just heard that convention voted for the return of the divisional sides to the senior championship. That means the junior clubs will amalgamate to form North, South, East & West Mayo for Senior. It breaks down as follows:
North - Ardmoy, Lacken, Ardnaree, Lahardane, Kilfian & Ballycastle.
West - Islandeady, Louisburgh, Balla & Parke.
South - Carramore & Neale.
East - Kilmovee & Eastern Gaels.

Hopefully those divisional teams will be properly run - will give a good opportunity for junior players who may be overlooked cos of the club they play for to make their case for the county team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muscles magoo on December 08, 2009, 08:12:30 AM
Quote from: highking on December 08, 2009, 01:47:57 AM
East - Kilmovee & Eastern Gaels.

Are these two clubs seriously going to join and enter the senior championship....????
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 08, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
Interesting piece in The Mayo News giving the list of players who took part in a trial game on Saturday.
Some very promising young players, and a few who are over U21 but have earned their chance.
Looks like this put's the McD rumour to bed as well....

QuoteMAYO manager John O'Mahony ran the rule over 35 footballers who were not part of the county senior squad last season at a trial match last Saturday morning in Castlebar.
The likes of Ballaghaderreen's James Kilcullen, Shrule/Glencorrib's Kevin Walsh, Castlebar's Alan and Richie Feeney, Garrymore's Jimmy Killeen, and Westport's Damien Keane were all given an opportunity to impress the Mayo boss ahead of the start of the FBD League next month.
The Mayo senior and U-21 management teams were both in attendance for the first of two trial games to take place this month between senior and U-21 hopefuls.
Under GAA regulations on winter training, two trial games can take place involving players who were not part of the 2009 squad.
The following is a list of those who took part last weekend: Michael Schlingermann (Kiltimagh), Robert Hennelly (Breaffy), David Gavin (Breaffy), Shane McHale (Knockmore), Pat Mulchrone (Burrishoole), Liam Feeley (Claremorris), Jason Healy (Kiltane) Shane Nally (Garrymore), Alan Feeney (Castlebar), Kevin Keane (Westport), David Kilkenny (Aghamore), Richie Feeney (Castlebar), Lee Keegan (Westport), Eoin Hughes (The Neale), James McAndrew (Cill Chomáin), James Kilcullen (Ballaghaderreen), Alan Freeman (Aghamore), Michael Gallagher (Achill), Cathal Carolan (Crossmolina), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Conor Keane (Ballinrobe), Chris Walsh (Ardnaree), Andrew Farrell (Killala), Damien Keane (Westport), Enda McManamon (Burrishoole), Jimmy Killeen (Garrymore), Kevin Walsh (Shrule/Glencorrib), Enda Varley (Garrymore), Paul Doherty (Kilmaine), Cormac Healy (Moy Davitts), Michael Walsh (Ardnaree), Sean Morris (Charlestown), David Dolan (Garrymore), Caolan Crowe (Garrymore) and Alex Quinn (Killala).
A number of other players were injured, involved in club fixtures or unavailable.  They included: Neil Douglas, Aidan Walsh and Ger McDonagh (Castlebar), James Burke (Ballymun Kickhams), Gerry Higgins (Knockmore), James Mulderrig (Moy Davitts), Marcus Hannick (Killala), Alan Egan (Bonniconlon) and Cathal Freeman (Aghamore).
A panel of players for the forthcoming FBD league will be announced early in the New Year. 
Mayo begin their Connacht League campaign with a home game against NUI, Galway on Sunday, January 10. They will also play Sligo IT and Roscommon.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 08, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
Interesting piece in The Mayo News giving the list of players who took part in a trial game on Saturday.
Some very promising young players, and a few who are over U21 but have earned their chance.
Looks like this put's the McD rumour to bed as well....


Its both good to see some of the players get a shot but I cant hold back my opinion on this...

The Players:

Michael Schlingermann (Kiltimagh)
David Gavin, Robert Hennelly (Breaffy)
Shane McHale (Knockmore)
Pat Mulchrone (Burrishoole)
Liam Feeley (Claremorris)
Jason Healy (Kiltane)
Richie Feeney, Alan Feeney (Castlebar)
Kevin Keane, Damien Keane, Lee Keegan (Westport)
David Kilkenny, Alan Freeman (Aghamore)
Eoin Hughes (The Neale)
James McAndrew (Cill Chomáin)
James Kilcullen (Ballaghaderreen)
Michael Gallagher (Achill)
Cathal Carolan (Crossmolina)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Conor Keane (Ballinrobe)
Chris Walsh (Ardnaree)
Andrew Farrell (Killala)
Enda McManamon (Burrishoole)
Kevin Walsh (Shrule/Glencorrib)
David Dolan, Caolan Crowe, Shane Nally, Jimmy Killeen, Enda Varley (Garrymore)
Paul Doherty (Kilmaine)
Cormac Healy (Moy Davitts)
Michael Walsh (Ardnaree)
Sean Morris (Charlestown)
Alex Quinn (Killala)

"Unavailable" on the day
Neil Douglas, Aidan Walsh and Ger McDonagh (Castlebar)
James Burke (Ballymun Kickhams)
Gerry Higgins (Knockmore)
James Mulderrig (Moy Davitts)
Marcus Hannick (Killala)
Alan Egan (Bonniconlon)
Cathal Freeman (Aghamore)



I know its says that its the first of two trial games BUT... (I doubt there will be different players in the 2nd game)

No new talent in Ballina -
They have 4 players already involved in the 2009 Senior panel

No new talent in Ballintubber -
Even though we are

    * Division 1B champions - winning 10 games from 10
    * Senior 1/4 finalists 2 years running - drawing with last years champions
    * 2 in a row U21A County Champions '08 & '09


1 from Charlestown? (Even though they are Connacht club finalists - Where is Richie Haran btw?)

5 from Garrymore (Even though they dont get out of their championship group this year or last year and finish mid table in 1B)

5 from Castlebar (Even though they won... no wait...  ;)  - Where is Kirby or is he a bit young?)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 08, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
QuoteI know its says that its the first of two trial games BUT...

No new talent in Ballina -
They have 4 players already involved in the 2009 Senior panel

No new talent in Ballintubber -
Even though we are

    * Division 1B champions - winning 10 games from 10
    * Senior 1/4 finalists 2 years running - drawing with last years champions
    * 2 in a row U21A County Champions '08 & '09


1 from Charlestown? (Even though they are Connacht club finalists - Where is Richie Haran btw?)

5 from Garrymore (Even though they dont get out of their championship group this year or last year and finish mid table in 1B)

5 from Castlebar (Even though they won... no wait...    - Where is Kirby or is he a bit young?)

Yeah, it does seem a bit ridiculous that 3 Castlebar U21s were called to the trial, yet none were called from the team that beat them in the final that day.
I'm just hoping that O'Mahony is planning to call a different panel of 35 for the second trial match, and that the teams omitted last weekend receive call-ups proportional to their recent records.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on December 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Abbeysider the trials were made up of U21 and Seniors. Three of the Garry contingent are U21 all three have played in all ireland minor finals in the last two years. They should be at u21 trials. The other two are at least worth a look at for the Seniors.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 08, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on December 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Abbeysider the trials were made up of U21 and Seniors. Three of the Garry contingent are U21 all three have played in all ireland minor finals in the last two years. They should be at u21 trials. The other two are at least worth a look at for the Seniors.

This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to abuse management without any basis.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 08, 2009, 05:41:29 PM
Yep, McD rumour was bullshit. Had that confirmed, friend was only taking the piss. Looks like there is a fair few young players involved in that trial, be interesting to see how they do and if they get called again. Not shocked by the lack of stephenites call up's at this time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to abuse management without any basis.

Elaborate that statement
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 08, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to abuse management without any basis.

Elaborate that statement

This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to take the mick without having to burden myself with giving an explanation.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 08, 2009, 10:15:34 PM

I would have expected Crossmolina s Joe Keane to have been at that trial.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 08, 2009, 10:15:34 PM

I would have expected Crossmolina s Joe Keane to have been at that trial.

Thats Joe Keane the younger, corner back?


Definitely
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Coolio on December 09, 2009, 12:08:27 AM
Lads would ye not be getting excited... I mean it is clear that well over half the team that played on th u21 side the last day won't be on th team when Championship comes around. Dempsey will have 20 different lads there next week. And on the senior side there was possibly only two that have any chance of playing senior for Mayo in the League or Championship
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 09, 2009, 12:59:09 AM

James Burke needs to be repatriated if at all possible. Ardnaree have come a long way recently and James would be a huge boost to them, but with him working in Dublin its a long shot. Probably the best 7 available to us in Mayo. Especially if they persist in using Keith Higgins at 4.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 09, 2009, 01:03:49 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 08, 2009, 10:15:34 PM

I would have expected Crossmolina s Joe Keane to have been at that trial.

Thats Joe Keane the younger, corner back?


Definitely

Yeah, the Younger. The Elder should have got more time but it s not going to happen for him now. Like Hughes in Ballina  some people see size and move on. They dont see the quality and pick big chumps instead.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 09, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 09, 2009, 12:59:09 AM

James Burke needs to be repatriated if at all possible. Ardnaree have come a long way recently and James would be a huge boost to them, but with him working in Dublin its a long shot. Probably the best 7 available to us in Mayo. Especially if they persist in using Keith Higgins at 4.
Agreed. He was nonimated for a blue star award for the dublin champioship the year before last and could be up for another this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 09, 2009, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to abuse management without any basis.
Elaborate that statement
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to take the mick without having to burden myself with giving an explanation.

;) :D

Quote from: Coolio on December 09, 2009, 12:08:27 AM
Lads would ye not be getting excited... I mean it is clear that well over half the team that played on th u21 side the last day won't be on th team when Championship comes around. Dempsey will have 20 different lads there next week. And on the senior side there was possibly only two that have any chance of playing senior for Mayo in the League or Championship

I dont know...
AFAIK only one of our players from the winning U21 side will be called in next week.

My point is that there is at least 3 of our current senior team, just over 21 that deserve a trial.

I think we conceded less points than anyone in the Senior Championship up to and including the quarter finals and in my view, and many others view we have one of the best defences in the county.
We won 12 games this year, drew one and lost a quarter final to the eventual runners up, by a couple of points, playing the worst game we played in two years.

From minor up we are the most successful club in the county for the last 5 years.

It feels like we are the only team in the county that is being overlooked and its blatant. The cold shoulder is obvious and I dont know why.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 09, 2009, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to abuse management without any basis.
Elaborate that statement
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to take the mick without having to burden myself with giving an explanation.

;) :D

Quote from: Coolio on December 09, 2009, 12:08:27 AM
Lads would ye not be getting excited... I mean it is clear that well over half the team that played on th u21 side the last day won't be on th team when Championship comes around. Dempsey will have 20 different lads there next week. And on the senior side there was possibly only two that have any chance of playing senior for Mayo in the League or Championship

I dont know...
AFAIK only one of our players from the winning U21 side will be called in next week.

My point is that there is at least 3 of our current senior team, just over 21 that deserve a trial.

I think we conceded less points than anyone in the Senior Championship up to and including the quarter finals and in my view, and many others view we have one of the best defences in the county.
We won 12 games this year, drew one and lost a quarter final to the eventual runners up, by a couple of points, playing the worst game we played in two years.

From minor up we are the most successful club in the county for the last 5 years.

It feels like we are the only team in the county that is being overlooked and its blatant. The cold shoulder is obvious and I dont know why.

check the voting pattern in the last general election and you could have your answer abbeysider  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on December 09, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 09, 2009, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 08, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to abuse management without any basis.
Elaborate that statement
This is Gaa. It is an irrevocable right to take the mick without having to burden myself with giving an explanation.

;) :D

Quote from: Coolio on December 09, 2009, 12:08:27 AM
Lads would ye not be getting excited... I mean it is clear that well over half the team that played on th u21 side the last day won't be on th team when Championship comes around. Dempsey will have 20 different lads there next week. And on the senior side there was possibly only two that have any chance of playing senior for Mayo in the League or Championship

I dont know...
AFAIK only one of our players from the winning U21 side will be called in next week.

My point is that there is at least 3 of our current senior team, just over 21 that deserve a trial.

I think we conceded less points than anyone in the Senior Championship up to and including the quarter finals and in my view, and many others view we have one of the best defences in the county.
We won 12 games this year, drew one and lost a quarter final to the eventual runners up, by a couple of points, playing the worst game we played in two years.

From minor up we are the most successful club in the county for the last 5 years.

It feels like we are the only team in the county that is being overlooked and its blatant. The cold shoulder is obvious and I dont know why.

check the voting pattern in the last general election and you could have your answer abbeysider  ;)

;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 10, 2009, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 09, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
check the voting pattern in the last general election and you could have your answer abbeysider  ;)
;D

:o
Its blatantly obvious and was staring me straight in the face the whole time!

Is it down to the vote ratio JOM got in each parish that indicated how many players he would bring in from each club?

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaayus....  :P

I though he would have got a few strokes in Ballintubber, I must be wrong. But he must have romped home with the votes from Garymore, Castlebar and Westport.

It all makes sense now...  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 10, 2009, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 10, 2009, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 09, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
check the voting pattern in the last general election and you could have your answer abbeysider  ;)
;D

:o
Its blatantly obvious and was staring me straight in the face the whole time!

Is it down to the vote ratio JOM got in each parish that indicated how many players he would bring in from each club?

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaayus....  :P

I though he would have got a few strokes in Ballintubber, I must be wrong. But he must have romped home with the votes from Garymore, Castlebar and Westport.

It all makes sense now...  ;)  :D

now ya have it abbeysider ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on December 14, 2009, 02:04:07 PM
any word on latest trial match. Hearing good reports about james burke - ex-Ardnaree man
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 14, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Quoteany word on latest trial match. Hearing good reports about james burke - ex-Ardnaree man

That's the lad that plays for Ballymun Kickhams isn't it?
Good to hear he's getting a trial - there was talk (not sure if it was on this board) that the Dubs were considering trying to get him to join their panel
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on December 14, 2009, 03:01:48 PM
yes thats him, has been impressing on dublin scene. Got nominated for Dub star last year i think.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on December 16, 2009, 05:27:04 PM
Between this and the stunt they pulled with McHale Park they are looking more like cowboys every day. Anyone know how much we are paying Feeney?

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8351:voting-rights-row-prompts-convention-walkout&catid=14&Itemid=100008

http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eyojeykfgb&cat=sport
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2009, 01:36:16 AM
Abbeysider I take your point about how some Ballintubber players should be given a shot. But results of club teams on their own are not enough. You can have a very well rounded team of club players with few of county standard (Charlestown - county champions, with only Parsons on the county, A Higgins omission notwithstanding) and then teams with four county players who may be with a club that doesn't perform near as highly (Shrule Glencorrib and Ballina this year).

Crossmolina's young Joe Keane should be given a go but I hear he's not too keen on county football. Maybe Deel Rover can confirm or otherwise?

James Burke definitely worth a look but requiries some lateral thinking from management. I won't hold my breath.

Abbeysider who from the tubber do you think deserves a shot? Personally I'd only be looking at Cathal Hallinan of the lads over 21. Jason Gibbons, Michael Nestor et al will be featuring with the Under 21s, or at least given the chance I would say. I don't think there's a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 19, 2009, 09:27:50 AM
QuoteBetween this and the stunt they pulled with McHale Park they are looking more like cowboys every day. Anyone know how much we are paying Feeney?

Have we not been saying it hear for years?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 20, 2009, 12:33:53 PM
Seeing as it is the season of goodwill I said I would find something uplifting to discuss. And I found it. Was talking to a man yesterday about the Mayo Under 21 team for next year and, my God, it is a serious side. I guess that is kinda inevitable after the last two minor years but the 2007 crew, who lost so disappointingly to Roscommon in their first and last game, were a serious side too. It is going to be one of the best Mayo underage teams in a long time. That, naturally, doesn't guarantee success but it sure does help.

To give a flavour of some of the players who are available
Goalkeepers - Robert Hennely and Micheal Schlingermann (both of whom won games on their own for their respective minor teams).

Defenders - Kevin Keane, John Broderick, David Dolan, Shane McHale, Eoghan O'Reilly, Shane Nally, Keith Rogers, David Gavin, Michael Walsh, Shane McDermott, Gary Loftus, Ruaidhri O'Connor, Micheal Jennings, Lee Keegan, Sean Prendergast, Michael Nestor, Michael Gallagher, Caoimhin Carty, Joe Keane and Kevin McLoughlin.

Midfielders: Jason Gibbons, Ger McDonagh, James Cafferty, Sean Morris, Danny Kirby (still minor so only a maybe).

Forwards: Cathal Carolan, Cathal Freeman, Aidan O'Shea, Niall Prenty, Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty, Alan Freeman, Peter Dravins, Ray Geraghty, Tom King, Aidan Walsh, Cillian O'Connor (still minor so only a maybe).

Try pick a team from that!

Here's my effort

Robert Hennelly

Shane McHale  Kevin Keane  Keith Rogers

Shane Nally  Lee Keegan  Kevin McLoughlin

Jason Gibbon   James Cafferty

Cathal Carolan  Aidan O'Shea  Cathal Freeman

Neil Douglas  Alan Freeman  Jason Doherty.

Good luck to Ray Dempsey trying to pick the team though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 20, 2009, 06:48:11 PM
That is a serious set of players but on the down side there's serious competition to even get out of connacht & that's before u get to the Tyrone '08 minors, prob the best minor team I've seen
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 21, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 19, 2009, 01:36:16 AM
Abbeysider I take your point about how some Ballintubber players should be given a shot. But results of club teams on their own are not enough. You can have a very well rounded team of club players with few of county standard (Charlestown - county champions, with only Parsons on the county, A Higgins omission notwithstanding) and then teams with four county players who may be with a club that doesn't perform near as highly (Shrule Glencorrib and Ballina this year).

Crossmolina's young Joe Keane should be given a go but I hear he's not too keen on county football. Maybe Deel Rover can confirm or otherwise?

James Burke definitely worth a look but requiries some lateral thinking from management. I won't hold my breath.

Abbeysider who from the tubber do you think deserves a shot? Personally I'd only be looking at Cathal Hallinan of the lads over 21. Jason Gibbons, Michael Nestor et al will be featuring with the Under 21s, or at least given the chance I would say. I don't think there's a conspiracy.

Welcome back R&GS  ;)

Ah im not saying there is a conspiracy, but when you look at the stats of the thing its looks like we were over looked, but then again, maybe im living in some sort of bubble!

Of the U21s, its hard to know. I think Jason Gibbons, Ruaidhri O Connor, Michael Nestor and Gary Loftus have all got the stuff at that level. But of that list, only Jason Gibbons will be looked at properly, but I would be hoping they would give a proper chance to Mick and Gary and especially Ruaidhri who was outstanding in the U21 campaign and Senior campaign before he went to the US for a couple of months. In fact, I think Ruaidhri could go all the way, given the chance as he is a serious wing back.

Of the lads over 21 (next year), I would say defiantly Cathal Hallinan.
Liam Tunney and Paraic O Connor would also deserve a shot IMO.

Cathal is one of the most consistent defenders we have, I think he only conceded one point from play in this years championship and very little otherwise during the league, marking the best of the opposition we faced. He would be regarded as our best defender and man marker and is as good as if not better in some cases than what there at the minute.
Liam Tunney is another fine defender, full of determination and another brilliant man-marker.
Paraic O Connor, most people will know. He was having a great season up until the quarter final against Knockmore where nothing went right for him, but still deserves a shot IMO. A confidence player, than when he believes he can be outstanding both from play and frees.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 21, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
Looks good on paper alright but..... . Both Mchale and Keane look beth suited to FB but would struggle against a good corner forward. Think he ll play McLoughlin in the forwards. That's where his future lies imo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 22, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 21, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
Looks good on paper alright but..... . Both Mchale and Keane look beth suited to FB but would struggle against a good corner forward. Think he ll play McLoughlin in the forwards. That's where his future lies imo.

Yeah, you could be right about McLoughlin. Especially with the amount of defensive options. He would be a serious centre-half forward imo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 22, 2009, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 20, 2009, 06:48:11 PM
That is a serious set of players but on the down side there's serious competition to even get out of connacht & that's before u get to the Tyrone '08 minors, prob the best minor team I've seen
And we should/could have beaten them on both days.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 22, 2009, 11:55:02 PM
1st day yes, 2nd defo not
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 23, 2009, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 22, 2009, 11:55:02 PM
1st day yes, 2nd defo not
Hennelly kept Mayo in the game alright, could have won it though rather than should have. I remember 0'shea hitting the post with an outside of the left shot at a vital time....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 23, 2009, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 20, 2009, 12:33:53 PM
Seeing as it is the season of goodwill I said I would find something uplifting to discuss. And I found it. Was talking to a man yesterday about the Mayo Under 21 team for next year and, my God, it is a serious side. I guess that is kinda inevitable after the last two minor years but the 2007 crew, who lost so disappointingly to Roscommon in their first and last game, were a serious side too. It is going to be one of the best Mayo underage teams in a long time. That, naturally, doesn't guarantee success but it sure does help.

To give a flavour of some of the players who are available
Goalkeepers - Robert Hennely and Micheal Schlingermann (both of whom won games on their own for their respective minor teams).

Defenders - Kevin Keane, John Broderick, David Dolan, Shane McHale, Eoghan O'Reilly, Shane Nally, Keith Rogers, David Gavin, Michael Walsh, Shane McDermott, Gary Loftus, Ruaidhri O'Connor, Micheal Jennings, Lee Keegan, Sean Prendergast, Michael Nestor, Michael Gallagher, Caoimhin Carty, Joe Keane and Kevin McLoughlin.

Midfielders: Jason Gibbons, Ger McDonagh, James Cafferty, Sean Morris, Danny Kirby (still minor so only a maybe).

Forwards: Cathal Carolan, Cathal Freeman, Aidan O'Shea, Niall Prenty, Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty, Alan Freeman, Peter Dravins, Ray Geraghty, Tom King, Aidan Walsh, Cillian O'Connor (still minor so only a maybe).

That is a serious line-up.

Its hard to know if Cillian and Kirby will be brought in. I think Alan Dillon was the only player for a long time to play 4 years U21 for Mayo. I dont know would I be in favour of it as their bodies are not that mature at 17 and they will have plenty of time to play U21 after minor grade.

At a glance, I would guess that at least half those lads have 2 years U21 left?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 23, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
Its a serious set of players alright and the future is in their hands.

However do we have somebody that will consistently score big? I'm not sure and without that we will not break the gap
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on December 23, 2009, 12:07:34 PM
Quote from: Barney on December 23, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
Its a serious set of players alright and the future is in their hands.

However do we have somebody that will consistently score big? I'm not sure and without that we will not break the gap

Potential big scorers IMO:
Aidan O'Shea
Jason Doherty
Neil Douglas (frees and from play)
Aidan Walsh (frees)

I havnt seen enough of the other guys but there is no bad forwards there that I would care to mention.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on December 24, 2009, 09:37:19 AM
Abbeysider I agree that there is potential there and that on a given day somebody will hit a hot streak.

I think though the thing that we are really missing is a fella that you can be guaranteed will get a goal and a few points from play every day - an O'Neill, a Meehan, a Gooch or a Brogan for instance. Any team that goes on to win a senior AI generally has two forwards like that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 25, 2009, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Barney on December 24, 2009, 09:37:19 AM
Abbeysider I agree that there is potential there and that on a given day somebody will hit a hot streak.

I think though the thing that we are really missing is a fella that you can be guaranteed will get a goal and a few points from play every day - an O'Neill, a Meehan, a Gooch or a Brogan for instance. Any team that goes on to win a senior AI generally has two forwards like that.

I take your point. We have no one that is that at the moment but there are lads with potential. I honestly think Cillian O'Connor is the guy who can be our consistent scoring forward. Consider that he is minor again next year. I'll be interested to see how the likes of Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty and Alan Freeman get on this year.

But I don't think its quite as simple as that. You have some counties who depend on players big time for big scores - Paddy Bradley and Derry, Matty Forde and Wexford. I'm thinking out loud and don't have the figures to hand but if you look at those players you named, I'm not sure many of them would average more than three points from play a game. I think its more about a rounded forward line with every single player able to take a chance when an opportunity presents itself. Thats what makes the Tyrones and Kerrys as good as they are imho - the ability of half forwards like Dooher, Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan et al to contribute so much meaning they are not relying on Gooch, O'Neill etc.

Abbeysider of the 39 names I mentioned - good luck narrowing that panel down! - I make it that 22 are underage after 2010. I take your point re the minor lads. They shouldn't play. Dillon has been the only player to play UNder 21 while minor that I remember but he did so when the under 21 grade was played later in the year so he was a lot closer to being of age than Kirby or O'Connor would be next year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 25, 2009, 03:16:22 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 25, 2009, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Barney on December 24, 2009, 09:37:19 AM
Abbeysider I agree that there is potential there and that on a given day somebody will hit a hot streak.

I think though the thing that we are really missing is a fella that you can be guaranteed will get a goal and a few points from play every day - an O'Neill, a Meehan, a Gooch or a Brogan for instance. Any team that goes on to win a senior AI generally has two forwards like that.

I take your point. We have no one that is that at the moment but there are lads with potential. I honestly think Cillian O'Connor is the guy who can be our consistent scoring forward. Consider that he is minor again next year. I'll be interested to see how the likes of Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty and Alan Freeman get on this year.

But I don't think its quite as simple as that. You have some counties who depend on players big time for big scores - Paddy Bradley and Derry, Matty Forde and Wexford. I'm thinking out loud and don't have the figures to hand but if you look at those players you named, I'm not sure many of them would average more than three points from play a game. I think its more about a rounded forward line with every single player able to take a chance when an opportunity presents itself. Thats what makes the Tyrones and Kerrys as good as they are imho - the ability of half forwards like Dooher, Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan et al to contribute so much meaning they are not relying on Gooch, O'Neill etc.

Abbeysider of the 39 names I mentioned - good luck narrowing that panel down! - I make it that 22 are underage after 2010. I take your point re the minor lads. They shouldn't play. Dillon has been the only player to play UNder 21 while minor that I remember but he did so when the under 21 grade was played later in the year so he was a lot closer to being of age than Kirby or O'Connor would be next year.

Barry Moran?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 25, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 25, 2009, 03:16:22 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 25, 2009, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Barney on December 24, 2009, 09:37:19 AM
Abbeysider I agree that there is potential there and that on a given day somebody will hit a hot streak.

I think though the thing that we are really missing is a fella that you can be guaranteed will get a goal and a few points from play every day - an O'Neill, a Meehan, a Gooch or a Brogan for instance. Any team that goes on to win a senior AI generally has two forwards like that.

I take your point. We have no one that is that at the moment but there are lads with potential. I honestly think Cillian O'Connor is the guy who can be our consistent scoring forward. Consider that he is minor again next year. I'll be interested to see how the likes of Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty and Alan Freeman get on this year.

But I don't think its quite as simple as that. You have some counties who depend on players big time for big scores - Paddy Bradley and Derry, Matty Forde and Wexford. I'm thinking out loud and don't have the figures to hand but if you look at those players you named, I'm not sure many of them would average more than three points from play a game. I think its more about a rounded forward line with every single player able to take a chance when an opportunity presents itself. Thats what makes the Tyrones and Kerrys as good as they are imho - the ability of half forwards like Dooher, Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan et al to contribute so much meaning they are not relying on Gooch, O'Neill etc.

Abbeysider of the 39 names I mentioned - good luck narrowing that panel down! - I make it that 22 are underage after 2010. I take your point re the minor lads. They shouldn't play. Dillon has been the only player to play UNder 21 while minor that I remember but he did so when the under 21 grade was played later in the year so he was a lot closer to being of age than Kirby or O'Connor would be next year.

Barry Moran?

Good shout! I thought I was bad posting  after midnght but 3.16am Muppet?? WTF??!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: INDIANA on December 26, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 09, 2009, 12:59:09 AM

James Burke needs to be repatriated if at all possible. Ardnaree have come a long way recently and James would be a huge boost to them, but with him working in Dublin its a long shot. Probably the best 7 available to us in Mayo. Especially if they persist in using Keith Higgins at 4.

Best wing back in Dublin by a mile last year. I was hoping he was a Dub. Had no idea he was from Mayo. Again underlines the problems we have in club football in Dublin. Easy good enough for county football.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 03, 2010, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 09, 2009, 12:59:09 AM

James Burke needs to be repatriated if at all possible. Ardnaree have come a long way recently and James would be a huge boost to them, but with him working in Dublin its a long shot. Probably the best 7 available to us in Mayo. Especially if they persist in using Keith Higgins at 4.

Best wing back in Dublin by a mile last year. I was hoping he was a Dub. Had no idea he was from Mayo. Again underlines the problems we have in club football in Dublin. Easy good enough for county football.

That's interesting. From what I've heard Burke is definitely worth a shot. He had a bad experience in the All-Ireland Minor final v Down in 2005 when he was started in the corner after not being long back in the panel. I was away in 2008 but I believe he was very good for the Mayo Under 21s. What have we got to lose by giving him a shot?
FBD starting next Sunday in Dangan v NUIG I think (open to correction on this). Will be interesting to see what sort of players are given a go and what sort of experiments are tried. I'll be curious to see who the centre-half back is along with the two midfielders. Anyone making the trip? It will test all of my motivation to be honest!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 03, 2010, 04:49:43 PM
I reckon it should be a Mayo venue this year? We should be at home to Sligo IT and guess will play Ros in Ballinlough?

This is a report from last year:

QuoteGAA: Students have all the answers for Mayo
By: Anthony Hennigan in Dangan

FBD Insurance Connacht SFL Section B - Round 1
NUI GALWAY 2-10 MAYO 1-8

MAYO started as they don't mean to continue, with the 2009 campaign of the senior football squad commencing in defeat to the University students of Galway, last Sunday.


Selecting some old, some young, some experienced and some a bit 'green', John O'Mahony's selection was much diluted from what would be his preferred first choice XV for league or championship fare, however, the run-out afforded the manager an opportunity to view a variety of players, some for the first time, in a semi-competitive environment.


Full-forward Aidan O'Shea and full-back Kevin Keane, members of last year's minor team, Mikey Sweeney, at corner-forward, and sub Brian Gallagher, who both featured in Mayo's march to the All-Ireland U-21 semi-final, and stars of the club championship like Barry Kelly and Stephen Drake, playing at midfield and corner-back respectively, David Caffrey, Sean Prendergast and Jason Gibbons were among those given a chance to implant their abilities upon manage-ment's minds.


Each will have departed the Corribside grounds with differing opinions of how they fared but Castlebar's Padraig Healy, Ballina's Ger Cafferkey and Shrule/Glencorrib's Kieran Conroy, who lined out in the home side's colours, will have been satisfied at their hour's work. NUI Galway, better organised given the enforced November/December inactivity imposed upon inter-county teams, could not have wished for a more positive start; just 15 seconds had been played when Cathal McHugh ghosted in behind Stephen Drake to fetch the long delivery of Kieran Conroy (formerly of GMIT), and drive the ball low under the body of Mayo goalkeeper David Clarke.


Conroy, in particular, was an influential figure against his county team-mates throughout the first half, and was superbly complemented at midfield by Galway's Gareth Bradshaw.


Conroy was again the supplier for McHugh who kept the margin between the teams at three points (1-3 to 0-3) when pointing in the 22nd minute. In between, singles for Mayo by Austin O'Malley, Barry Kelly and Peadar Gardiner, who fisted over, were met with the response of a point each for NUIG's Conor Devaney and Cathal Kenny.


By that stage, the NUIG plans had already been disrupted by the dismissals, through new playing rules, of Greg Begley in the 9th minute, and his replacement, Denis Corroon, just four minutes later - not that the double yellow card blow deterred them much.


They stretched their lead to seven courtesy of a single apiece by Devaney and Bradshaw before a Mikey Sweeney goal for Mayo, five minutes before the change of ends, halted the home team's momentum somewhat. Aidan Kilcoyne fed centre-back Pat Kelly whose burst through the middle created an opening for Peadar Gardiner and though the wing-back was quickly gobbled up by defenders, the ball fell kindly for Sweeney who shot first time to the back of Liam Grant's net.


Mark Gottsche hadn't the same luck at the other end on the stroke of half-time, when his fisted attempt for a major trickled along David Clarke's goal-line, and so the gap between the sides remained four at the break, 2-4 to 1-3 in NUIG's favour.



Two frees converted by Aidan Kilcoyne for Mayo in the 2nd and 12th minutes of the new half were separated by three NUIG points, the first from the increasingly effective Gareth Bradshaw and the other two, from play and placed ball, by the equally excellent Conor Devaney.


Starved of quality possession, Aidan O'Shea was relieved of full-forward duties where he had been well watched by county colleague Ger Cafferkey, and instead was moved to centre-forward on 47 minutes. However, a booking apiece for Mayo's Peadar Gardiner and NUIG's Conor Leydon, neither hardly warranted, meant for a further shake up in personnel, and the game became increasingly disjointed for the remaining time. Gardiner's replacement, Charlestown's David Caffrey, lasted just 20 minutes before also unfortunate to see yellow during which time three Mayo points by Alan Dillon, Barry Kelly - a fisted goal attempt - and Austin O'Malley, a free, met by a John Connellan point in response, meant that just a goal divided the sides with seven minutes left to play. There was to be no grandstand fight-back by the Green and Red though, as a Bradshaw free and a second point by sub Connellan bolstered the NUIG advantage before time was called.


Colm Cafferkey, who started particularly brightly, Kevin Keane, Pat Kelly, Colm Boyle, Pat Harte, Alan Dillon and Austin O'Malley, in flashes, were among Mayo's more prominent performers. NUIG could look towards Ger Cafferkey, Padraig Healy, Sligo's Neil Ewing, Kieran Conroy, Galway's Gareth Bradshaw and Cathal Kenny, Roscommon duo Conor Devaney and Cathal McHugh, and half-time sub, Westmeath's John Connellan as being their chief architects of the victory.


SCORERS - NUIG: Conor Devaney 1-3 (0-1f), Cathal McHugh 1-1, Gareth Bradshaw 0-3 (1f), John Connellan 0-2, Cathal Kenny 0-1 (f).


Mayo: Mikey Sweeney 1-0, Barry Kelly, Austin O'Malley (1f) and Aidan Kilcoyne (2f) 0-2 each, Alan Dillon and Peadar Gardiner 0-1 each.


NUIG: Liam Grant; Padraig Healy (Castlebar), Ger Cafferkey (Ballina), Neil Ewing; Greg Begley, Conor Leydon, Peter Domican; Kieran Conroy (Shrule/ Glencorrib), Gareth Bradshaw; Shane Stenson, Mark Gottsche, Cathal Kenny; Conor Devaney, David O'Gara, Cathal McHugh. Subs: Denis Corroon (for Greg Begley 9 - booked), Tomás Crowe for (Corroon 13 - booked), John Connellan (for Stenson h/t), Leo McLoone (for Gottsche 40), Keith Kelly (for Leydon 42 - booked).


MAYO: David Clarke; Stephen Drake, Kevin Keane, Colm Cafferkey; Peadar Gardiner, Pat Kelly, Colm Boyle; Pat Harte, Barry Kelly; Aidan Kilcoyne, Alan Dillon, Billy Joe Padden; Mikey Sweeney, Aidan O'Shea, Austin O'Malley. Subs: Sean Prendergast (for Keane 37), David Caffrey (for Gardiner 38 - booked), Brian Gallagher (for Kilcoyne 52), Jason Gibbons (for Padden 53), Andy Moran (for Caffrey 58 - booked).


Referee: Declan Hunt (Roscommon).


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 03, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Actually its in Garrymore at 2:

http://www.connachtgaa.ie/ss_fixtures.php?full=y (http://www.connachtgaa.ie/ss_fixtures.php?full=y)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 03, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
Good stuff. Garrymore is altogether more manageable although I wouldn't like to drive there if its as icy as it is now.

Think I'll go for a look anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 03, 2010, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 03, 2010, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 09, 2009, 12:59:09 AM

James Burke needs to be repatriated if at all possible. Ardnaree have come a long way recently and James would be a huge boost to them, but with him working in Dublin its a long shot. Probably the best 7 available to us in Mayo. Especially if they persist in using Keith Higgins at 4.

Best wing back in Dublin by a mile last year. I was hoping he was a Dub. Had no idea he was from Mayo. Again underlines the problems we have in club football in Dublin. Easy good enough for county football.

That's interesting. From what I've heard Burke is definitely worth a shot. He had a bad experience in the All-Ireland Minor final v Down in 2005 when he was started in the corner after not being long back in the panel. I was away in 2008 but I believe he was very good for the Mayo Under 21s. What have we got to lose by giving him a shot?
FBD starting next Sunday in Dangan v NUIG I think (open to correction on this). Will be interesting to see what sort of players are given a go and what sort of experiments are tried. I'll be curious to see who the centre-half back is along with the two midfielders. Anyone making the trip? It will test all of my motivation to be honest!

His selection as a corner back was one of those mad moments in Mayo football that occur all too frequently. The lad had never been a corner back in his life and never will. His selection there says more about that management than it does the player. In fact it is difficult to imagine a defender less suited to playing corner back. I ve no doubt though that the current senior management, in its wisdom, might repeat that error.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 04, 2010, 11:35:41 PM
He might be more used to it now seen as he playing regularly in the backs for ballymun. Played a lot of underage at midfield and half forward. Great competition for no. 7 jersey with moran, nally, higgins, gardiner, mcloughlin
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 05, 2010, 10:26:58 AM
FBD Panel Announced

David Clarke (Ballina)
Robert Hennelly (Breaffy)
Liam O'Malley (Burrishoole)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Peadar Gardiner (Crossmolina)
Trevor Howley (Knockmore)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Andy Moran (Ballagh)
Alan Feeney (Castlebar)
Shane Nally (Garrymore)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Kevin Keane (Westport)
Ronan McGarrity (Ballina)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Barry Kelly (Ballagh)
Pat Harte (Ballina)
Trevor Mortimor (Shrule)
Mark Ronaldson (Shrule)
Mikey Sweeney (Kiltane)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Neil Douglas (Castlebar)
Barry Moran (Castlebar)
Jimmy Killeen (Garrymore)
Kevin Walsh (Shrule)

Defenders out number forwards there anyways....
It will be interesting to see how the lads in italics get on...

Not Included
Ger Caff - Broken wrist
Conor Mort/Alan Dillon - Travelling
Tom Cunniffe - Studying in Liverpool and recovering from groin op.
Kenneth O'Malley - Shoulder
Aidan Kilcoyne - collar bone
Jimmy Nallen/David Heaney - Not asked to tog for FBD.
Kevin McLoughlin - Playing with DIT
Seamus O'Shea - UL
Enda Varley - UL
Kieran Conroy - NUIG

James Burke must have been overlooked for the panel as he played with St Pats last year on his year down and therefore cannot play with St Pats again this year.

I thought there would be a few more few faces, not very optimistic about the coming season sadly....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 05, 2010, 10:32:34 AM
Hard to see where the improvement is going to come from to beat Kernans Galway this year.

f**k it January is depressing.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 05, 2010, 12:32:25 PM
QuoteHard to see where the improvement is going to come from to beat Kernans Galway this year.

f**k it January is depressing.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I know the county isn't bursting at the seams with untried talent, but I thought for the FBD, we'd see a few more new faces than that!
B*llocks anyway, I get the feeling it could be another year of the same  :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 05, 2010, 03:45:49 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 04, 2010, 11:35:41 PM
He might be more used to it now seen as he playing regularly in the backs for ballymun. Played a lot of underage at midfield and half forward. Great competition for no. 7 jersey with moran, nally, higgins, gardiner, mcloughlin

No. He s a 7. Anyway its academic seeing as he is overlooked for the FBD panel but only Keith Higgins could be rated above him as a left half back. Heard he played really well in a trial before Christmas too.

Enda Varley is another who was reportedly playing really well in the trials but there s no sign of him either?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Davitt Man on January 05, 2010, 03:51:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 05, 2010, 03:45:49 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 04, 2010, 11:35:41 PM
He might be more used to it now seen as he playing regularly in the backs for ballymun. Played a lot of underage at midfield and half forward. Great competition for no. 7 jersey with moran, nally, higgins, gardiner, mcloughlin
Enda Varley is another who was reportedly playing really well in the trials but there s no sign of him either?
According to Mayo News he wasnt considered seen as he is apart of the UL sigerson cup team like Barry Moran
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 05, 2010, 03:52:38 PM
Ya, Varley is playing in the McGrath cup with UL.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 06, 2010, 12:52:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 05, 2010, 12:32:25 PM
QuoteHard to see where the improvement is going to come from to beat Kernans Galway this year.

f**k it January is depressing.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I know the county isn't bursting at the seams with untried talent, but I thought for the FBD, we'd see a few more new faces than that!
B*llocks anyway, I get the feeling it could be another year of the same  :(


Imagine how I f**king feel. I used to console myself that I was too negative, that I was getting the whole thing wrong. Likes of you Tubber used to have some hope, some optimism.  Givin out to me cause I did  nt believe in the chosen one. Since backend 06 I ve been trying to put distance from myself and Mayo senior football.  It s not easy of course but last year I managed to give up the FBD League and this year the National League has to go. It s like giving up smokes or drink but not wanting to. I was at the last game that Mayo played in Garry in FBD. Johnno was managing Galway and was supposed to be fighting with Joyce. John M was managing Mayo and Ciarán MC D was in exile. Joyce led out Galway that day and McD was still out of loop. I ll put it this way. Joyce will play for Galway as long as he wants and Johnno realised that soon enough. On the other hand McD was treated like a shit.  I cant watch farce any more. Too many sour and repetitive sound bites backing up anaemic football . Indignant bristling and basically propaganda media releases at merest hint of criticism. Johnno s response to Paudí O Sé s stuff sums it up. He may have thought that by saying that Paudí underachieved with Kerry, and he'd like to think he d have won more if he was managing Kerry, was smart and a good smack down. Actually, it's not. The message he is sending out there is huge. His ego took a hit and his first instinct was to protect his reputation.  But by doing that he is distancing himself from his current position and damage limitation has set in. But he is making Mayo football look like shite to be honest. He won 2 with Galway, would have won more with Kerry if he got the chance, is the message. I think it should be acknowledged that in recent years Mayo have had underage teams on a par that Kerry or Galway had before their successes. I still can not make sense of his rummaging the first few years.

And before people start saying he had to try things...... You dont. Unless you really know what you re at. Look at the difference between O Sullivan and Kidney in Irish rugby 09. One had a big obvious ego. One did nt. O Sull kept trying things that didnt work. Kidney knows what will work before it works.

It has to be said that the players still believe in Johnno. When you see what has happened elasewhere then you have to accept that that is a good thing. He is lucky to have a very good panel of loyal players. That shite response about Paudi was unacceptable and was very condescending to his current players not to mind the fine Galway team he had, that possibly underachieved as well. But I d be surprised if the players picked up on it. Nobody else seemed to

I dont have too many issues with the FBD panel announced. Disappointed that a certain individual is not in it but not surprised either because to be honest I doubt if any of the management ever saw him play before a trial match.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 01:09:19 AM
you on about burke? Because gallagher was minor selector in 05 so would know him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: The flame still burns on January 06, 2010, 01:28:50 AM
A New Year a new start and all that  :P

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/the-light-didnt-go-out-it-just-dimmed/
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 06, 2010, 01:37:29 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 01:09:19 AM
you on about burke? Because gallagher was minor selector in 05 so would know him

What? Who was manager in 05? Gallagher?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 06, 2010, 04:12:59 AM
shocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 06, 2010, 08:50:21 AM
Quoteshocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

I'd have thought Jason Gibbons from Ballintubber would be worth a shot during the FBD. He got a run in one of the game's last year as far as I can remember. He's still U-21 so hopefully Dempsey gives him a fair chance this year, because, for a variety of reasons, he hasn't as many games in the green and red as he should have had.


QuoteQuote from: Foreverhopeful on Today at 01:09:19 AM
you on about burke? Because gallagher was minor selector in 05 so would know him


What? Who was manager in 05? Gallagher?

Wasn't that the year Eugene Ivers managed them and they got to the final where they were well beaten by Down?
I think Foreverhopeful is right - think Kieran Gallagher might have been a selector then.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 06, 2010, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 06, 2010, 04:12:59 AM
shocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

Jimmy Killeen will be worth a look at in midfield in the FBD, glad to see he's getting a chance. Saw him playing a few times for Garrymore and he impressed, not sure will his performances translate to IC but it's worth a look. But agree, doubt many teams will fear mayo's midfield.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 06, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 06, 2010, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 06, 2010, 04:12:59 AM
shocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

Jimmy Killeen will be worth a look at in midfield in the FBD, glad to see he's getting a chance. Saw him playing a few times for Garrymore and he impressed, not sure will his performances translate to IC but it's worth a look. But agree, doubt many teams will fear mayo's midfield.

If we're playing Jimmy Killeen at midfield then we are completely fucked! Jimmy, and always has been, a scoring forward with pace but lacking a small bit physically. You might be getting him confused with Jimmy Kilcullen from Ballaghaderreen who could certainly do a job at midfield for us.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 06, 2010, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 06, 2010, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 06, 2010, 04:12:59 AM
shocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

Jimmy Killeen will be worth a look at in midfield in the FBD, glad to see he's getting a chance. Saw him playing a few times for Garrymore and he impressed, not sure will his performances translate to IC but it's worth a look. But agree, doubt many teams will fear mayo's midfield.

Killeen? Midfield? Creatine is great stuff but there is a limit to what it can achieve. Jimmy will do well to hold his own as a forward.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 06, 2010, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 06, 2010, 08:50:21 AM
Quoteshocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

I'd have thought Jason Gibbons from Ballintubber would be worth a shot during the FBD. He got a run in one of the game's last year as far as I can remember. He's still U-21 so hopefully Dempsey gives him a fair chance this year, because, for a variety of reasons, he hasn't as many games in the green and red as he should have had.


QuoteQuote from: Foreverhopeful on Today at 01:09:19 AM
you on about burke? Because gallagher was minor selector in 05 so would know him


What? Who was manager in 05? Gallagher?

Wasn't that the year Eugene Ivers managed them and they got to the final where they were well beaten by Down?
I think Foreverhopeful is right - think Kieran Gallagher might have been a selector then.


Ivers was the manager. Billy McNicolas was there so is it likely that Kieran Gallagher was there too? A lot of lads from the same place? Michael Gavin was there and I think Kearns from Davitts.Rochford was the north selector. I think Gallagher was with the Reilly regime.

The point I was trying to make was how ridiculous a decision like playing Burke in the corner could have happened. It was some mess. Several of those lads well beaten by Down were good enough to win U21 six months later. Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett ...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 06, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 06, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 06, 2010, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 06, 2010, 04:12:59 AM
shocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

Jimmy Killeen will be worth a look at in midfield in the FBD, glad to see he's getting a chance. Saw him playing a few times for Garrymore and he impressed, not sure will his performances translate to IC but it's worth a look. But agree, doubt many teams will fear mayo's midfield.

If we're playing Jimmy Killeen at midfield then we are completely fucked! Jimmy, and always has been, a scoring forward with pace but lacking a small bit physically. You might be getting him confused with Jimmy Kilcullen from Ballaghaderreen who could certainly do a job at midfield for us.
Aye your right, stand corrected there alright!Obviously not awake this morning when i wrote that, sure he's always been a forward as was a forward when i saw him for garrymore.James Kilcullen was tried out at full back a few years ago as well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 06, 2010, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2010, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 06, 2010, 08:50:21 AM
Quoteshocking light at midfield.....

Parsons - was very poor last year with mayo and in any clubs games i saw him in. badly needs to regain his form of 08.
Mcgarrity - that he is our best midfielder at the moment pretty much sums it up for me.
Harte - a good half forward but not an IC midfielder
Kelly - don't know much about him but he played FBD last year and didn't feature much after....

No sign of the Kilcullens returning. Any other decent midfielders about?

I'd have thought Jason Gibbons from Ballintubber would be worth a shot during the FBD. He got a run in one of the game's last year as far as I can remember. He's still U-21 so hopefully Dempsey gives him a fair chance this year, because, for a variety of reasons, he hasn't as many games in the green and red as he should have had.


QuoteQuote from: Foreverhopeful on Today at 01:09:19 AM
you on about burke? Because gallagher was minor selector in 05 so would know him


What? Who was manager in 05? Gallagher?

Wasn't that the year Eugene Ivers managed them and they got to the final where they were well beaten by Down?
I think Foreverhopeful is right - think Kieran Gallagher might have been a selector then.


Ivers was the manager. Billy McNicolas was there so is it likely that Kieran Gallagher was there too? A lot of lads from the same place? Michael Gavin was there and I think Kearns from Davitts.Rochford was the north selector. I think Gallagher was with the Reilly regime.

The point I was trying to make was how ridiculous a decision like playing Burke in the corner could have happened. It was some mess. Several of those lads well beaten by Down were good enough to win U21 six months later. Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett ...

Kieran Gallagher has had an unbroken run with Mayo since 2003. For 2003 and '04 he was selector with Declan O'Reilly. O'Reilly was not reappointed for 2005 but Eugene Ivers then picked Gallagher as a selector. Billy McNicholas was a trainer (hence three involved from Kiltimagh/Swinford area) while Stephen Rochford, Billy Kearns and Mickey Gavin were also selectors.
Ivers waited involved in 2006 with the minors but he lost Gallagher who was brought in as the home selector with Moran and Morrison. The two boys were culled then at the end of 2006 and John O'Mahony came in. And he picked Gallagher as a selector. He's like a bad smell :P
It is some record though, to be with four different management teams without coming up for air.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 06, 2010, 04:11:03 PM
I would have thought the general consensus was that he is a good man?
No harm in having a common link sometimes
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 06, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
Apart from the Moran Morrisson year Gallagher has been in some disappointing administrations. Probably has been a bit unlucky.

I believe the new minor manager will be ratified by the board next Monday night.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 07:52:15 PM
donal tuohy should get that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 06, 2010, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 07:52:15 PM
donal tuohy should get that

Word is Tony Duffy has it got . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM
barry kelly, he didnt feature at all in champ and was poor at best in league. where is brian benson, gibbons, james and david kilcullen, alan freeman, joe keane, james cafferty
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 07, 2010, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 06, 2010, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 07:52:15 PM
donal tuohy should get that

Word is Tony Duffy has it got . . .

That s the word on the street alright Sniper. At least thats what I ve heard.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 07, 2010, 12:17:58 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM
barry kelly, he didnt feature at all in champ and was poor at best in league. where is brian benson, gibbons, james and david kilcullen, alan freeman, joe keane, james cafferty

You re not the only one thinking along those lines either. The only thing I would say is that the Freemans, Gibbons, Keane and Caff will be getting U21 action and probably dont need the FBD shite anyway. On the other hand th fact it takes this management so long to cop on to talent,[ McLoughlin was brought in a year too late and now Burke is batted back] would be a concern alright. A lot of people could have picked that FBD panel by just reading the local paper without ever going to games.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM
barry kelly, he didnt feature at all in champ and was poor at best in league. where is brian benson, gibbons, james and david kilcullen, alan freeman, joe keane, james cafferty

Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!

Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?

The kilcullens were both in in 07 and haven't really been seen since? I heard that one of them just wasn't willling to put in the committment but was there a falling out with the other one?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on January 07, 2010, 08:59:38 AM
Disappointed by some of the absences alright.

Disappointed by some of the fellas that have been kept on. A widespread cull was never on the cards but the playing panel appears like it will be almost similar this year, and the management team likewise. What is being done differently to bring things to the next level? New ideas?

Whatever people might say about the standard of Connacht football etc. Mayo did play some encouraging football against Roscommon and against Galway last year. There was an added bit of steel to the game before everything fell apart. Maybe the management are hoping that they can progress on that, and have marked the Meath performance as a whole (including crucial injuries, ref errors, the fact that we were ahead with 15 to play) as an exception. I don't think it can be given the history of blow-ups, but that is the most positive approach I can take to the situation.

I cannot see the necessity to name panels anyhow. Who else is publicly announcing a panel for one of the minor competitions. The group should be open-ended at this time of year.

To me there is no benefit in adding Heaney and Nallen later on in the year - they have been great players for us but in my opinion are finished at this level now. In fact I would have more faith in Jimmy Nallen lasting the pace. But if they do want to be involved they should be there at the coal-face at the start of the NFL rather than turning up in May. That should go for anybody that wants to be involved. Look at last year how many of the team didn't put in the hard yards, missed winter football, but were back in the Summer - you cannot make up that work later in the year - for the record Higgins, Howley, Heaney, Kilcoyne and Barry Moran did not have serious football until the Summer for one reason or another.

Finally the likes of Seamus O'Se need to step up to the mark if they are worth persevering with. No point being a passenger for the year. He is old enough and should be good enough.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 07, 2010, 03:36:22 PM
Enough pessimism (not directed at you Barney).

Mayo will win Sam in 2010.  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 07, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM
barry kelly, he didnt feature at all in champ and was poor at best in league. where is brian benson, gibbons, james and david kilcullen, alan freeman, joe keane, james cafferty

Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!
Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?

The kilcullens were both in in 07 and haven't really been seen since? I heard that one of them just wasn't willling to put in the committment but was there a falling out with the other one?

Maybe so but he is young and  had problems with injuries. Imo Cafferty is a much better prospect going forward.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Terry Tate on January 07, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM


Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!
Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?



Caff's involvment this year was limited until he finished his leaving cert. He picked up an injury during the summer but came on against Knockmore in the semi final, so that would explain why he was only a sub. He will be the best player cross will have for a long time.
Joe keane is not playing sigerson and it seems Benson is not the sort of player JOM wants around the place.(maybe they had a disagreement) He offers alot more than the likes of mark ronaldson or mikey sweeney though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 07, 2010, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2010, 12:52:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 05, 2010, 12:32:25 PM
QuoteHard to see where the improvement is going to come from to beat Kernans Galway this year.

f**k it January is depressing.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I know the county isn't bursting at the seams with untried talent, but I thought for the FBD, we'd see a few more new faces than that!
B*llocks anyway, I get the feeling it could be another year of the same  :(


Imagine how I f**king feel. I used to console myself that I was too negative, that I was getting the whole thing wrong. Likes of you Tubber used to have some hope, some optimism.  Givin out to me cause I did  nt believe in the chosen one. Since backend 06 I ve been trying to put distance from myself and Mayo senior football.  It s not easy of course but last year I managed to give up the FBD League and this year the National League has to go. It s like giving up smokes or drink but not wanting to. I was at the last game that Mayo played in Garry in FBD. Johnno was managing Galway and was supposed to be fighting with Joyce. John M was managing Mayo and Ciarán MC D was in exile. Joyce led out Galway that day and McD was still out of loop. I ll put it this way. Joyce will play for Galway as long as he wants and Johnno realised that soon enough. On the other hand McD was treated like a shit.  I cant watch farce any more. Too many sour and repetitive sound bites backing up anaemic football . Indignant bristling and basically propaganda media releases at merest hint of criticism. Johnno s response to Paudí O Sé s stuff sums it up. He may have thought that by saying that Paudí underachieved with Kerry, and he'd like to think he d have won more if he was managing Kerry, was smart and a good smack down. Actually, it's not. The message he is sending out there is huge. His ego took a hit and his first instinct was to protect his reputation.  But by doing that he is distancing himself from his current position and damage limitation has set in. But he is making Mayo football look like shite to be honest. He won 2 with Galway, would have won more with Kerry if he got the chance, is the message. I think it should be acknowledged that in recent years Mayo have had underage teams on a par that Kerry or Galway had before their successes. I still can not make sense of his rummaging the first few years.

And before people start saying he had to try things...... You dont. Unless you really know what you re at. Look at the difference between O Sullivan and Kidney in Irish rugby 09. One had a big obvious ego. One did nt. O Sull kept trying things that didnt work. Kidney knows what will work before it works.

It has to be said that the players still believe in Johnno. When you see what has happened elasewhere then you have to accept that that is a good thing. He is lucky to have a very good panel of loyal players. That shite response about Paudi was unacceptable and was very condescending to his current players not to mind the fine Galway team he had, that possibly underachieved as well. But I d be surprised if the players picked up on it. Nobody else seemed to

I dont have too many issues with the FBD panel announced. Disappointed that a certain individual is not in it but not surprised either because to be honest I doubt if any of the management ever saw him play before a trial match.

Some good stuff there Moy. I agree with a lot of that bar the players believing in JOM.
In fact, I think he lost the dressing room in his first year in charge.
Between missing trainings because of Dail duties, and not getting off the phone during the trainings he was at, as well as spouting all the shite, cliches and sound bytes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 08, 2010, 12:37:40 AM
Quote from: Terry Tate on January 07, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM


Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!
Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?



Caff's involvment this year was limited until he finished his leaving cert. He picked up an injury during the summer but came on against Knockmore in the semi final, so that would explain why he was only a sub. He will be the best player cross will have for a long time.
Joe keane is not playing sigerson and it seems Benson is not the sort of player JOM wants around the place.(maybe they had a disagreement) He offers alot more than the likes of mark ronaldson or mikey sweeney though.

Horseshit.
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Post by: ballinaman on January 09, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 08, 2010, 12:37:40 AM
Quote from: Terry Tate on January 07, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM


Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!
Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?



Caff's involvment this year was limited until he finished his leaving cert. He picked up an injury during the summer but came on against Knockmore in the semi final, so that would explain why he was only a sub. He will be the best player cross will have for a long time.
Joe keane is not playing sigerson and it seems Benson is not the sort of player JOM wants around the place.(maybe they had a disagreement) He offers alot more than the likes of mark ronaldson or mikey sweeney though.

Horseshit.

Caff will be a fine player for Cross, great prospect, He's from Moygowna though I heard, anyone know if thats true?
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 09, 2010, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 09, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 08, 2010, 12:37:40 AM
Quote from: Terry Tate on January 07, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM


Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!
Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?



Caff's involvment this year was limited until he finished his leaving cert. He picked up an injury during the summer but came on against Knockmore in the semi final, so that would explain why he was only a sub. He will be the best player cross will have for a long time.
Joe keane is not playing sigerson and it seems Benson is not the sort of player JOM wants around the place.(maybe they had a disagreement) He offers alot more than the likes of mark ronaldson or mikey sweeney though.

Horseshit.

Caff will be a fine player for Cross, great prospect, He's from Moygowna though I heard, anyone know if thats true?

Cafferty is a fine player. I was making the point that stating that Brian Benson is better than Mark Ronaldson is horseshit. Cafferty did come from Moygownagh - Ardmoy underage. I think he might have been with Crossmolina as a young lad, moved out and moved back in. The Cross lads probably know the full story.
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 09, 2010, 09:12:12 PM
ronaldson is more of a natural footballer but he is shocking small. Benson is a bit more aggressive and physically more imposing. Deserves to be on fbd panel at the least. Can't get over inclusion of barry kelly. It represents all that is bad about JOM. He is not good enough for midfield or half forward. My team for FBD:
D Clarke
O'Malley
Feeney
K Higgins
C Barrett
Lee Keegan
S Nally
                Parsons                     Harte
T Howley
G McDonagh
K Walsh
J Killen
B Moran
N Douglas
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Post by: Terry Tate on January 09, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
He is from Crossmolina parish RGS. He went to school in the Moygownagh parish and played with his friends I suppose. I still feel Benson would offer more to mayo. He will score alot more, knows where the goal is and equally good off both feet.  He is also very aggressive in a good way. Badly needed if ya ask me.
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 09, 2010, 10:28:45 PM
mayo really need a great corner forward/ full forward who is always a goal threat and will get 3/4 points a game. Cillian o connor looks a prospect but still very early days with him. Neil Douglas looks like he could offer something judging by his club form.  If we found one and got in a corner back (Michael walsh for minors looks a huge prospect) than we'd go places.could always try dillon in corner
                                 
                                     Clarke

T Cunnife                     K Keane                  M Walsh

K Higgins                      G Cafferkey             J Burke/S Nally

                  McGarrity           J Cafferty/J kilcullen

Howley                            A Moran                Trev Mort

A' O Shea                        B Moran                  A Dillon

Possibilties:

Hennelly
K McLoughlin ( possible no. 7/10/11)
D kilcullen ( physically strong, what we need for no.6)
C Barrett ( maybe at no.5, Class act for minor + U-21, needs to rediscover this form this yr)
N Douglas
C Mort
A kilcoyne - this trio are all possible no. 13's
B Benson - no 15
J Keane - no. 2/4
C Freeman - no. 10/11/12
G Mcdonagh - no.8/9/10/12




Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 09, 2010, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 09, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 08, 2010, 12:37:40 AM
Quote from: Terry Tate on January 07, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 06, 2010, 11:35:33 PM


Kelly was midfield for Ballagh, Cafferty was a sub for Cross!!!!
Would like to see Joe Keane, Freeman and Gibbons in there alright though. Are any of those lads are playing Sigerson?



Caff's involvment this year was limited until he finished his leaving cert. He picked up an injury during the summer but came on against Knockmore in the semi final, so that would explain why he was only a sub. He will be the best player cross will have for a long time.
Joe keane is not playing sigerson and it seems Benson is not the sort of player JOM wants around the place.(maybe they had a disagreement) He offers alot more than the likes of mark ronaldson or mikey sweeney though.

Horseshit.

Caff will be a fine player for Cross, great prospect, He's from Moygowna though I heard, anyone know if thats true?

He may well be a fine player but the fact remains that he was on the bench for Cross this year and as such it was always going to be difficult for him to make the county team. TBH I haven't seen much of him really but my impression is that he's handy enough although he might be lacking somewhat in terms of agression - could be because he's still young though.

Strange that Benson isn't in - wasn't he part of the squad last year??
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Post by: Terry Tate on January 10, 2010, 08:14:30 PM
No that was two years ago. It seems that its true about a leopard not changing its spots. Well in JOM's eyes anyway
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Post by: Tubberman on January 11, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
Hoganstand.com reporting that Trevor Mortimer has been re-appointed as captain for this year, with Peadar Gardiner as vice-captain again.

You can rarely fault Trevor for effort, the hope last year was this would inspire others around him. That's still the hope I suppose. It wasn't a great success against Meath, but we're not laden down with natural leaders so Trevor probably merits it again this year.

QuoteMortimer retains Mayo captaincy

11 January 2010


Trevor Mortimer will captain the Mayo footballers for a second successive year in 2010.

Mayo manager John O'Mahony confirmed yesterday morning that the Shrule/Glencorrib clubman will continue in the role after skippering the Westerners to their first Connacht SFC title in three years last summer.

A brother of fellow attacker Conor and former All-Star corner back Kenneth, Mortimer has been a mainstay of the Mayo team since making his debut 10 years ago. During that time, he has won three Connacht SFC medals (2004, 2006 and 2009), a National League medal (2001) and played in two All-Ireland finals (2004 and 2006).

Crossmolina's Peadar Gardiner, who shares a house with Mortimer in Tuam, has been installed as vice-captain.
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Post by: macdanger2 on January 11, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
Seeing as we haven't that many leadersit's probably not a bad choice. The younger lads (e.g. Parsons/Howley/Caff) have enough to concentrate on trying to perform so wouldn't have given it to any of them really.

Could have been Dillon or A Moran either.
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Post by: Tubberman on January 12, 2010, 09:39:54 AM
Congratulations and best of luck to Tony Duffy and his backroom team, where were confirmed as the new Mayo minor management team.
He will have a tough act to follow, after Dempey's got the minor's to two finals in a row.

Got this from the midwest website, nothing on the Mayo GAA site of course, their latest story is the minor team for the All-Ireland semi-final against Down  ::)


QuoteTONY DUFFY FROM BALLINTUBBER IS THE NEW MAYO MINOR FOOTBALL MANAGER.HIS APPOINTMENT WAS CONFIRMED AT LAST NIGHT'S MEETING OF THE COUNTY BOARD. TONY TAKES OVER FROM RAY DEMPSEY, WHO GUIDED THE MAYO MINORS TO ALL-IRELAND FINAL APPEARANCES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2010, 08:37:03 PM
geat to see jinkin joe corcoran pick up the lifetime award in the western people sports awards . was talking to him today true gentleman and he still looks as fit a fiddle 
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 12, 2010, 09:48:29 PM
mayo could do with a jinkin joe
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Post by: moysider on January 12, 2010, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2010, 08:37:03 PM
geat to see jinkin joe corcoran pick up the lifetime award in the western people sports awards . was talking to him today true gentleman and he still looks as fit a fiddle

Great to see him get the award. The young lad that got the award for golf is Joe s grandson.
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 12, 2010, 11:53:10 PM
John forde's grandson picking up boxing award.
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Post by: spuds on January 13, 2010, 01:15:11 AM
Savage stuff lasd delighted to hear Duffy getting the reckogniton great times at Ballintubber Congrats Toni
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 13, 2010, 11:21:49 PM
Quote from: spuds on January 13, 2010, 01:15:11 AM
Savage stuff lasd delighted to hear Duffy getting the reckogniton great times at Ballintubber Congrats Toni

Good to see Mayo breaking new ground by putting a woman in charge of an inter-county male team. Cora to take over from Johnno anyone?
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Post by: ballinaman on January 13, 2010, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 13, 2010, 11:21:49 PM
Quote from: spuds on January 13, 2010, 01:15:11 AM
Savage stuff lasd delighted to hear Duffy getting the reckogniton great times at Ballintubber Congrats Toni

Good to see Mayo breaking new ground by putting a woman in charge of an inter-county male team. Cora to take over from Johnno anyone?
They'd be able to break a tackle or two if she got hold of them i'd say! :D :P (muppet will find a pun there no doubt  :D)
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 14, 2010, 12:51:15 AM
Any word on a under-21 panel or what stage that at?
Any suggestions for team


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Post by: Tubberman on January 14, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
Also, any word on whether the NFL opener v Gaillimh will go ahead under lights on night of Sat 6th or be pushed out to afternoon of Sun 7th?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 14, 2010, 12:51:15 AM
Any word on a under-21 panel or what stage that at?
Any suggestions for team

Don't know where panel is at but they'll have some fun trying to pick a team.

I'd be guessing something along these lines

Robert Hennelly

Shane McHale  Kevin Keane  Keith Rogers

Lee Keegan  Kevin McLoughlin  Shane Nally

Jason Gibbons  Ger McDonagh

Cathal Freeman (if fit)  Aidan O'Shea  Cathal Carolan

Neil Douglas  Alan Freeman  Jason Doherty
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Post by: Tubberman on January 15, 2010, 01:44:03 PM
Yeah, it really is a very strong U21 panel this year - Galway and the Rossies should be strong as well, although the Sheepstealers chance might have gone last year in Charlestown.

It's going to be Monday before a decision is made on whether the league opener v Galway goes ahead on the Sat or Sun.

QuoteIT WILL NOW BE EARLY NEXT WEEK BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE ON WHETHER OR NOT MAYO'S CLASH WITH GALWAY WILL BE PLAYED UNDER LIGHTS AT MCHALE PARK ON SATURDAY FEB 6TH.
THE MAYO COUNTY BOARD HAD BEEN EXPECTED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE MATTER THIS WEEK BUT A SPOKESPERSON HAS NOW CONFIRMED TO MIDWEST SPORT THAT IT WILL BE AT LEAST MONDAY BEFORE A FINAL CALL IS MADE ON THE GAME.
THE FIRST ROUND LEAGUE MEETING HAD BEEN DUE TO BE PLAYED UNDER FLOODLIGHTS AT MCHALE PARK ON SATURDAY FEB 6TH BUT AN APPEAL HAS BEEN LODGED AGAINST CASTLEBAR TOWN COUNCIL'S DECISION TO GRANT RETENTION PLANNING PERMISSION FOR THE STADIUM'S €10M REVAMP TO AN BORD PLEANALA.
THE APPEAL INCLUDES REFERENCE TO THE FLOODLIGHTS. IF THE GAME DOES NOT TAKE PLACE ON THE SATURDAY IT IS LIKELY TO GO AHEAD ON THE SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 15, 2010, 05:07:44 PM
QuoteRobert Hennelly

Shane McHale  Kevin Keane  Keith Rogers

Lee Keegan  Kevin McLoughlin  Shane Nally

Jason Gibbons  Ger McDonagh

Cathal Freeman (if fit)  Aidan O'Shea  Cathal Carolan

Neil Douglas  Alan Freeman  Jason Doherty

Very strong looking,
throw in j cafferty, m walsh, s mcdermott, eoghan o reilly, aidan walsh
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 15, 2010, 10:52:18 PM
The strength of the panel is evidenced by the fact that three players from last year, Eoghan O'Reilly, Cathal Carolan and John Broderick will struggle. I think only Carolan will start. O'Reilly has actually improved since last year but we're so spoilt for choice in defence. We've a bright future ahead.
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Post by: The flame still burns on January 15, 2010, 11:44:45 PM
General look at different events in Mayo this week . . .

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 17, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
doesnt look like much has changed for mayo really. Alan Feeney in at no. 3 instead of injured Caf. Vaughan and K higgins corner backs (same as v Meath when that lost us the game). Mikey Sweeney still being tried, too light and small. Will get the odd wonder goal because of his speed. Ronaldson scored 7, not sure how many from frees though. Andy Moran back in half forward line, should be our no.11. He is the best playmaker we have currently. If we could find a classy corner back we could be onto something. Trevor Howley for no.10?? Trev Mortimer for no. 6?
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Post by: The flame still burns on January 17, 2010, 07:27:03 PM
Report from today's FBD game

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/no-all-ireland-is-ever-won-in-january/
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 17, 2010, 08:20:11 PM
Moytsider will be happy, turns out james burke is on the panel. Great stuff
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Post by: diehard on January 17, 2010, 10:06:46 PM
Mark Ronaldson is very small but he is well worth sticking with at corner forward (not the half back line as an extra defender). He is very sure of his skills when showing for posession and is very clever in his use of the ball.  He is also a wholehearted player.
Certainly he gets bottled up from time to time but he can work on that aspect of his game.  And if he gets a sniff of goal he will finish.  Even if didn't make the starting 15 he offers something diferent coming off the bench that could unhook an opposing defence.
Sometimes a small, pacey, tricky guy can be an awful handful for a defender.
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Post by: moysider on January 17, 2010, 10:11:30 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 17, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
doesnt look like much has changed for mayo really. Alan Feeney in at no. 3 instead of injured Caf. Vaughan and K higgins corner backs (same as v Meath when that lost us the game). Mikey Sweeney still being tried, too light and small. Will get the odd wonder goal because of his speed. Ronaldson scored 7, not sure how many from frees though. Andy Moran back in half forward line, should be our no.11. He is the best playmaker we have currently. If we could find a classy corner back we could be onto something. Trevor Howley for no.10?? Trev Mortimer for no. 6?

I think you could be onto something with Andy Moran there. Not sure what to do with Trevor.

Good to see Burke getting time. What was the story with that panel anyway? Was it necessary to name a panel?
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 17, 2010, 10:16:40 PM
i do like ronaldson because unlike sweeney he is a natural footballer. Sweeney's number one asset is his speed and that is why he is on the panel. Realistically he is not good enough. Ronaldson is very small but in a long line of small corner forward that mayo produce he is one of the best. A great finisher and it shows how much he was rated when he was played as an extra man in defence despite his lack of height and pounds. He does the right thing a lot more times than the majority of the mayo players. He could possibly fit into a system now that we have Aidan O"Shea + Barry Moran as targets in there. Sweeney and Ronaldson together in a team - NO.
Anyone tell me what kind of a player Kevin walsh is?? Scoring forward/hard-working.
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Post by: moysider on January 19, 2010, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 14, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on January 14, 2010, 12:51:15 AM
Any word on a under-21 panel or what stage that at?
Any suggestions for team

Don't know where panel is at but they'll have some fun trying to pick a team.

I'd be guessing something along these lines

Robert Hennelly

Shane McHale  Kevin Keane  Keith Rogers

Lee Keegan  Kevin McLoughlin  Shane Nally

Jason Gibbons  Ger McDonagh

Cathal Freeman (if fit)  Aidan O'Shea  Cathal Carolan

Neil Douglas  Alan Freeman  Jason Doherty

The U21 team that played Kildare very similar, especially when you consider some lads would be involved elsewhere.

Robert Hennelly
Patrick Mulchrone
Shane McHale
David Gavin
Lee Keegan
Eoin O Reilly
Michael Gallagher
Ger McDonagh
Jason Gibbons
Cathal Carolan
Ray Geraghty
Jason Doherty
Aidan O Sé
Neil Douglas
Alan Freeman

Interesting that Kevin McLoughlin played at centre half forward for DIT. Think I v said before that there is where I m expecting him to feature on the under21s. Cant see him in the backs unless he s badly needed. We should have enough but no6 might be a problem?
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 19, 2010, 10:37:26 PM
He certainly was the stand out forward at the county final, it's where I'd expect to see him for the seniors, he's an intelligent corner forward
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Post by: The flame still burns on January 24, 2010, 08:18:03 PM
Report from the draw against Sligo IT today

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/
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Post by: moysider on January 24, 2010, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: The flame still burns on January 24, 2010, 08:18:03 PM
Report from the draw against Sligo IT today

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that flame. Does nt look very encouraging, does it?
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Post by: The flame still burns on January 25, 2010, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 24, 2010, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: The flame still burns on January 24, 2010, 08:18:03 PM
Report from the draw against Sligo IT today

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that flame. Does nt look very encouraging, does it?

No big light at the end of the tunnel. I could use some corny line about my name but will desist. The Under 21s could be our best hope.
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Post by: moysider on January 26, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: The flame still burns on January 25, 2010, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 24, 2010, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: The flame still burns on January 24, 2010, 08:18:03 PM
Report from the draw against Sligo IT today

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that flame. Does nt look very encouraging, does it?

No big light at the end of the tunnel. I could use some corny line about my name but will desist. The Under 21s could be our best hope.

Yeah. And the minors will be worth seeing as well. I ve serious hopes for them.
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Post by: rosnarun on January 26, 2010, 12:45:30 AM
these are barely glorified challange games . its goo to see douglas feeny  keegan and others get a run put themselves in position to get some match time in the league or else maybe rule them selves out for another year. its a real pity the colleges have 1st call as we wont see a full team till 1st round of the league and mayo need to start with a bang if the league is not going to be a dispiriting affair
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Post by: Foreverhopeful on January 26, 2010, 03:25:22 PM
will many of them muredachs boys be making the minor panel? Great to see them beat Jarlaths.
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Post by: downredblack on February 04, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
Is Billy Joe Padden about the Mayo panel this yr ? what is he like as a player ?
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Post by: joedenilson on February 04, 2010, 11:01:59 AM
Mayo Championship draw is up on website now.
http://short.ie/bwua70
An Excel file of the full draw can be downloaded here:
http://short.ie/t5k4yo
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Post by: AbbeySider on February 04, 2010, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 04, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
Without a doubt, Mickey and Beefer did lead us to the final of '06 but it was a game we hadn't the proverbial snowball's chance of winning. I have criticised Johnno over many things but I don't think if M&M were still in charge, the situation would be any better than it is now.

Its not often I can disagree with you Lar but I cant let that quip slide.

When you in a final, of course you have a chance of winning it. In fact, its not often the best team skill wise that win finals. Its who wants it more, and who are tactically aware and Kerry were far hungrier than us and systemically took us apart without having to change the script from 2004.
A lot of what happened in that final is a direct result of the management not getting it right on the sideline and learning from the same mistakes made in 2004. Is it any wonder the players themselves took things into their own hands?

Beefer and Mickey Moran have to take some responsibility if not all of the responsibility for the following:

- Heads being wrong going into the game.
In interviews afterwards Beefer admitted that they treated the All-Ireland just the same as the previous game against Dublin and like it was just another game. They had the exact same routine as the semi which was wrong as they should have been prepared to lift the performance from the semi and not hope that things go well, which was a fools hope. You could see it in the faces of the Mayo players before the game, totally relaxed and not focused, kicking wide after wide and having a leisurely warm-up. However Kerry ware knocking the shite out of each other in a tight possession game the other end and they looked ready for battle. I could tell before the game that we were in for a hammering.

- Tactically not learning anything from 2004
Not starting Brady was a mistake after his display against Dublin in the Semi but Mickey Moran and Morrison failed to learn anything from our defeat against Kerry in 2004. The same problems were there in 2006 and the didnt do anything to combat them. Nallen was roasted in 2004 at centre back by Declan O Suilleabhain, and Kerry knew to run at him again in 2006 and Declan O Suilleabhain destroyed him in minutes (no disrespect to Nallen who was left exposed by Gardiner a lot but thats another story). Nallen didnt have the legs for CB in 2006, especially in wide open spaces like Croke Park. They had absolutely no plan to curb the Donaughy threat at the edge of the square when they should have played a sweeper behind Nallen to protect him and in front of Donaughy when high balls came in. They only got the idea to bring on Brady when he demanded it from the subs bench but it was already damage limitation and we were taking water. It was basic stuff.

- Losing control of the players
It was obvious that the management had no control of the players or dressing room in 2006. Between Brady and Heaney refusing to leave the front of the hill in the Semi and Brady calling the shot to be put in on Donaughy showed a lack of leadership by the management. The other thing that annoyed me was reading afterwards that nether of the management even knew or noticed that McGarity was off the pitch and receiving attention after the blow he got from Whealan. I cant imagine managing a team and not knowing a) your playing with 14 men and b) your main midfielder and one of the main players was injured.

A lot of stuff has been posted on these threads about M&M getting a raw deal from the county board but when you take into account the above and you were left with a decision after being crucified in another final to Kerry you have to ask questions of the management.

In 2006 we could have won, if the players believed and had respect for the management, if their heads were right going into the game and if the management had a clue what they were doing and learned from 2004.
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Post by: muppet on February 04, 2010, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on February 04, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
Is Billy Joe Padden about the Mayo panel this yr ? what is he like as a player ?

He doesn't seem to be on the panel this year.

He is a good honest forager and has played in every line of the Mayo team bar goalkeeper. At his best he cleaned Tomas O'Sé in a beaten Mayo team in an AIF, on other days he can be anonymous.

Part of the problem is where to play him. Ideally he should be midfield but isn't quite tall enough and doesn't have the leap that his Dad had tomake up for lack of inches. At club level he would be a great midfielder.
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Post by: AbbeySider on February 04, 2010, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 04, 2010, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on February 04, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
Is Billy Joe Padden about the Mayo panel this yr ? what is he like as a player ?

He doesn't seem to be on the panel this year.

He is a good honest forager and has played in every line of the Mayo team bar goalkeeper. At his best he cleaned Tomas O'Sé in a beaten Mayo team in an AIF, on other days he can be anonymous.

Part of the problem is where to play him. Ideally he should be midfield but isn't quite tall enough and doesn't have the leap that his Dad had tomake up for lack of inches. At club level he would be a great midfielder.

I think he is living/working/married in Kildare.

I was never convinced with BJP.
Jack of all trades? I dont think so....
Master of none? Harsh, but probably.

I felt he didnt even stand out at club level
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Post by: Tubberman on February 04, 2010, 04:23:56 PM
QuoteQuote from: muppet on Today at 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on Today at 10:38:04 AM
Is Billy Joe Padden about the Mayo panel this yr ? what is he like as a player ?


He doesn't seem to be on the panel this year.

He is a good honest forager and has played in every line of the Mayo team bar goalkeeper. At his best he cleaned Tomas O'Sé in a beaten Mayo team in an AIF, on other days he can be anonymous.

Part of the problem is where to play him. Ideally he should be midfield but isn't quite tall enough and doesn't have the leap that his Dad had tomake up for lack of inches. At club level he would be a great midfielder.


I think he is living/working/married in Kildare.

I was never convinced with BJP.
Jack of all trades? I dont think so....
Master of none? Harsh, but probably.

I felt he didnt even stand out at club level

Think I read that he's living and working in Down at the moment. Himself and AOM are the noteable absentees from this years panel (apart from the 2 lads who have retired).
At time's BJP looked like he had the most heart out of all the players, but he never stood out in any position and ended up being a 'versatile' substitute.
Not sure if it was his decision or JOMs, but it doesn' look like he'll be involved this year.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 04, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
I tend to agree with Abbeysider about BJP. I wasn't convinced about his intercounty credentials either. However, he would do well in a scrappy sort of a game but when the going got tough in the middle of Summer, he just didn't cut it for me.
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Post by: macdanger2 on February 05, 2010, 03:17:31 AM
Would I be correct in saying that the last Championship match BJP started in was AIF 06? He was one of our best players that day. Personally, I think he's worth a place on he bench at least, maybe 2nd or 3rd sub....
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 05, 2010, 09:33:42 AM
BJP was in kildara co co last I heard.
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Post by: The flame still burns on February 06, 2010, 02:15:43 AM
Small tribute to two retiring greats

http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/
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Post by: rosnarun on February 06, 2010, 04:20:19 AM
BJP was a proper player nver let Mayo down any day he togged out . but Obviouslly never caught JOM's eye nothing  to do eith the rumoured that WJP was the blueshirts 1st choice for the election a few years back. Coz o mahony the politition and manager are 2 very different peple
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 07, 2010, 01:25:56 PM
Ros even by your ridiculous anti-JOM bias that conspiracy theory is outlandish. I don't think there's a person in mayo who would ever doubt BJPs effort for the cause but most would agree he's not good enough to win an AI, a poor mans Dooher? Works his heart out but doesn't have the scoring power of a forward, height of a midfielder or tightness of a back.

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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2010, 08:47:44 AM
Anybody in the stand yesterday? What was going on before the game? A lot of people were been let in with around 10 minutes to go. It looked a shambles. Two people beside me said they weren't allowed in. ???
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 08, 2010, 09:24:44 AM
It seemed to be mad busy down. The far end but quiet enough up the near side. Have to say it's ridiculous the number of exits 2/3 for the whole stand, if there was a fire we'd all be goners.
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Post by: prewtna on February 08, 2010, 01:23:38 PM
now that ive been in the stand with a few thousand other people i am begining to realise there are major design issues in it. i gave out about it before but didnt fully appreciate the extent of the shambles that it is.

if there was ever a reason to have to evacuate the stand where the hell do you go? the exits are very inaccessable - next time you go there when you arrive up the steps - there is no gangway or proper access you land right in the middle of a section of seating.

think about any other decent stadium and your access aisles lead you to an exit - all of them. many of the ones in that stand lead to nowhere. in many cases if you want to leave, you have to do so by going through not only your own seating section but others too.

i hope the fire office for castlebar town council had a good look at it cos im not convinced its safe.

i now know why those two stupid colums are right in the way at the half way line - the players tunnel is there and the designers didnt have the mental capability to rethink the location of the columns. its maddening.

the most annoying thing about it is that our club are going to have to help pay for a botch job over the next few years to the detriment of our own developments.

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Post by: Denn Forever on February 08, 2010, 01:57:44 PM
Saw the game on TG4 yesterday.  Andy (?) Moran stood out with good foraging and a couple of good points.  Always seems to be the best Mayo forward during the league but is nowhere come championship.  Am I reading this wrong or is he just a winter player?
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2010, 09:01:32 PM
If possible, I always go to the terrace across from the stand. Only last year's club quarter/semi and finals when we were all forced to go to the stand di end up going there. You may ask why? Well I remember playing Sligo I think and I got a right dos of tonsilitis after the game whatever way the breeze was blowing that day. Don't like it since.
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Post by: moysider on February 09, 2010, 08:44:54 PM
Quote from: prewtna on February 08, 2010, 01:23:38 PM
now that ive been in the stand with a few thousand other people i am begining to realise there are major design issues in it. i gave out about it before but didnt fully appreciate the extent of the shambles that it is.

if there was ever a reason to have to evacuate the stand where the hell do you go? the exits are very inaccessable - next time you go there when you arrive up the steps - there is no gangway or proper access you land right in the middle of a section of seating.

think about any other decent stadium and your access aisles lead you to an exit - all of them. many of the ones in that stand lead to nowhere. in many cases if you want to leave, you have to do so by going through not only your own seating section but others too.

i hope the fire office for castlebar town council had a good look at it cos im not convinced its safe.

i now know why those two stupid colums are right in the way at the half way line - the players tunnel is there and the designers didnt have the mental capability to rethink the location of the columns. its maddening.

the most annoying thing about it is that our club are going to have to help pay for a botch job over the next few years to the detriment of our own developments.

The original plans for that development was for a cantilever roof on the stand. When the job went for tender it was priced as a cantilever roof. I know that because a close relative of mine priced the job. The lowest tendered price did not get the job either. Thats neither here nor there but after the contract was awarded the job specifications were altered. It appears people from the board met with the developer to pare down the cost. An obvious way to do this is to reduce the amount of steel by using trusses and those props.
Apart from the roof the toilet facilities were inadequate the day of the county final, never mind a Connacht championship match. Not enough shop space either and as been pointed out before entry and exit from the stand is awkward.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2010, 12:31:03 AM
For the love of God, we need to stop that St. Patrick fella from going to matches. I initially thought he was funny, but he is a real embarrassment to the county.
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Post by: Club Rossa on February 10, 2010, 09:01:11 AM
I remember that chap from our championship meeting at Croke Park in 08.He's a complete bampot,never sat down the whole time.
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Post by: AbbeySider on February 10, 2010, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 10, 2010, 09:01:11 AM
I remember that chap from our championship meeting at Croke Park in 08.He's a complete bampot,never sat down the whole time.

He doesnt even watch the match, just goes around looking for attention and shouting at anyone who tells him to sit down.
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Post by: ballinaman on February 10, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
WTF was his banner about last sunday too, something about Max Clifford ffs. Is he from Swinford, thought i heard that before. Eejit.
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Post by: Club Rossa on February 10, 2010, 10:04:07 AM
That day in Croker against us,he kept roaring about Philomena Begley singing the green fields round Ardboe,which is a song about Frank McGuigan.
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Post by: Tubberman on February 10, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
QuoteWTF was his banner about last sunday too, something about Max Clifford ffs. Is he from Swinford, thought i heard that before. Eejit.

From Westport I think. The novelty factor for most people wore off after about 3 matches, but he seems to still be basking in his minor local celebrity/nutjob status.
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Post by: ballinaman on February 10, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 10, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
QuoteWTF was his banner about last sunday too, something about Max Clifford ffs. Is he from Swinford, thought i heard that before. Eejit.

From Westport I think. The novelty factor for most people wore off after about 3 matches, but he seems to still be basking in his minor local celebrity/nutjob status.
Ah right, remember him saying on the radio in 06 that he'd walk from Swinford to Westport if Mayo won.
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Post by: moysider on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 PM

The 'Western' reports the return of Young Mort and Alan Dillon later this week. It will bw interesting to see how they will be reintroduced. Harte has to return as well. With Ronaldson and Varley doing well in the ff line and Andy and SOS going well in hf line there should be healthy competition for the 6 positions. I suppose we ll have to see how it develops over the rest of the league.
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Post by: ballinaman on February 16, 2010, 11:35:54 PM
Ya, looking forward to the FBD final team now. I wonder will Dillon and Mort be given 20 mins...
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Post by: moysider on February 16, 2010, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 16, 2010, 11:35:54 PM
Ya, looking forward to the FBD final team now. I wonder will Dillon and Mort be given 20 mins...

Very unlikely. Might be used off the bench for the Dublin game. There s pressure on these away lads now and no harm.
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Post by: rosnarun on February 17, 2010, 12:28:41 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 10, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 10, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
QuoteWTF was his banner about last sunday too, something about Max Clifford ffs. Is he from Swinford, thought i heard that before. Eejit.

From Westport I think. The novelty factor for most people wore off after about 3 matches, but he seems to still be basking in his minor local celebrity/nutjob status.
Ah right, remember him saying on the radio in 06 that he'd walk from Swinford to Westport if Mayo won.
didnt see him in omagh sunday . has he retired? was a sad looking figure in Mitchells bar after the game against galway maybe he realizes he just annoys people
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 17, 2010, 08:48:32 AM
Maybe he just took a break. Christ, he was doing the rounds AFTER Mayo minors lost to Armagh in the final last year. You'd think he'd have enough cop on and realise that nobody was interested in him after losing an AIF.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on February 17, 2010, 09:03:24 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 17, 2010, 08:48:32 AM
Maybe he just took a break. Christ, he was doing the rounds AFTER Mayo minors lost to Armagh in the final last year. You'd think he'd have enough cop on and realise that nobody was interested in him after losing an AIF.

i think i heard on the mwr sportshow on sunday that he was in hospital and they were wishing him well
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on February 17, 2010, 11:37:34 AM
He is from Westport, a tay-pot of the highest order and an embarrassment to the county. It's time he sat down, shut up and watched the game for a change.
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Post by: AbbeySider on February 17, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on February 17, 2010, 11:37:34 AM
He is from Westport, a tay-pot of the highest order and an embarrassment to the county. It's time he sat down, shut up and watched the game for a change.

Well said,
He is a total distraction and if he is told to shut up or jog on he has been known to cause a scene and get aggressive shouting back.
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Post by: AbbeySider on February 19, 2010, 02:08:58 PM
Ronnie is the latest victim of the "TV Referee"...  :-\  :(
He is a loss on his current form...


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/ronaldson-faces-ban-2070428.html


Ronaldson faces ban

Mayo's Mark Ronaldson has become the latest GAA player to face suspension on the basis of video evidence after his yellow card in Omagh last Sunday was upgraded to a red card, WRITES COLM KEYS.

Ronaldson was yellow carded for an offence late in the game involving Tyrone defender Ryan McMenamin.

But the CCCC have decided that Ronaldson's offence is more serious than just a yellow card and have decided to propose a four- week suspension for him. If Mayo don't have a hearing for the player before the weekend, he will be clear to play in the FBD Connacht league final against Galway on Sunday.

If he is banned for four weeks, he will then miss the Dublin and Derry league games.

'Trial by TV' has been under the microscope all week after three Tyrone players -- Justin McMahon, Martin Penrose and Conor Gormley -- were banned for four weeks.

Kerry have been notified of a proposed eight-week ban for Paul Galvin, who was red carded against Cork last weekend.

Kerry chairman Jerome Conway has already indicated that the player and the board are preparing to fight the ban. He was sent-off after 20 minutes of Kerry's defeat to Cork for wrestling with Eoin Cadogan.

The pair ended up on the ground and referee Maurice Deegan, after consulting with a linesman, ordered both players off. Cadogan has been proposed for a four-week ban but he is clear to play for the Cork hurlers on Sunday in their opening league match.

Irish Independent
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 19, 2010, 02:10:59 PM
Mickey Harte will be happy now.
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Post by: highking on March 03, 2010, 01:38:27 AM
Im just wondering - did anybody who is a McHale Park season ticket holder - get a ticket/free pass in the post for the NHL game v Kerry. Im a season ticket holder, but had to pay Eur10 at the gate to get into the hurling. I didnt go to the Mayo-Galway football game last month, and tried to use that pass to get into the hurling - but it was refused.

It's not good enough when season ticket holders who pay out Eur400 a year cant get into NHL home games.
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Post by: AbbeySider on March 03, 2010, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: highking on March 03, 2010, 01:38:27 AM
Im just wondering - did anybody who is a McHale Park season ticket holder - get a ticket/free pass in the post for the NHL game v Kerry. Im a season ticket holder, but had to pay Eur10 at the gate to get into the hurling. I didnt go to the Mayo-Galway football game last month, and tried to use that pass to get into the hurling - but it was refused.

It's not good enough when season ticket holders who pay out Eur400 a year cant get into NHL home games.

Its a farce!
When paying €400, what and how many games do you actually get into?
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Post by: Zulu on March 03, 2010, 02:40:39 PM
It's my understanding that the tickets are code specific, so you have to buy two season tickets for each code if you want to attand both, which seems fair to me.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Zulu, this is a different thing altogether for the Mayo county board to develop their own stand. €400 was meant to guarantee free entry into all home games, not just a selected few. I wonder did they charge €15 for the bloody FBD as well on top of the €400?? I wouldn't be one bit surprised
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Post by: Tubberman on March 03, 2010, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Zulu, this is a different thing altogether for the Mayo county board to develop their own stand. €400 was meant to guarantee free entry into all home games, not just a selected few. I wonder did they charge €15 for the bloody FBD as well on top of the €400?? I wouldn't be one bit surprised

Yes, they did!! It's a complete joke - spend €400 and then have to pay again on the gate.... I don't have one of these tickets thank God.
James Waldron said the FBD wouldn't usually be played in McHale Park and so was never incuded in the package of games that the ticket applies to  ::)  €400 should get you into any bloody game in the place.

€15 was a rip-off for an FBD final anyway - same price as a National League game.
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Post by: AbbeySider on March 03, 2010, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Zulu, this is a different thing altogether for the Mayo county board to develop their own stand. €400 was meant to guarantee free entry into all home games, not just a selected few. I wonder did they charge €15 for the bloody FBD as well on top of the €400?? I wouldn't be one bit surprised

They did, I read a letter in one of the papers about it.
But im still trying to figure out how many and what games you do get into with a Season ticket.

I think the county board have really shot themselves in the foot with this one.
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Post by: AbbeySider on March 03, 2010, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2010, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Zulu, this is a different thing altogether for the Mayo county board to develop their own stand. €400 was meant to guarantee free entry into all home games, not just a selected few. I wonder did they charge €15 for the bloody FBD as well on top of the €400?? I wouldn't be one bit surprised

Yes, they did!! It's a complete joke - spend €400 and then have to pay again on the gate.... I don't have one of these tickets thank God.
James Waldron said the FBD wouldn't usually be played in McHale Park and so was never incuded in the package of games that the ticket applies to  ::)  €400 should get you into any bloody game in the place.

€15 was a rip-off for an FBD final anyway - same price as a National League game.

I was going into one FBD game at half time because I was late.
The bastards charged me €15... full whack. I was sickened.
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Post by: Tubberman on March 03, 2010, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 03, 2010, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Zulu, this is a different thing altogether for the Mayo county board to develop their own stand. €400 was meant to guarantee free entry into all home games, not just a selected few. I wonder did they charge €15 for the bloody FBD as well on top of the €400?? I wouldn't be one bit surprised

They did, I read a letter in one of the papers about it.
But im still trying to figure out how many and what games you do get into with a Season ticket.

I think the county board have really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Took the report below from The Mayo News site.


€400 stand tickets didn't cover FBD final


Daniel Carey

Die-hard Mayo supporters who bought long-term seats in the new McHale Park stand were told their tickets did not entitle them to admission to last Sunday's FBD League final.
At least 150 long-term tickets have been bought since Mayo's fund-raising drive began, but those who purchased seats – at €400 a pop – had to shell out an additional €15 to see the weekend meeting between Mayo and Galway, because the game was under the auspices of the Connacht Council.
"We went up to the gate with the [long-term] tickets and we were told that they weren't accepting them, that they weren't for FBD [League] games," one affected supporter told The Mayo News yesterday [Monday].

"There was a crowd gathering behind us so we didn't push it – we just basically had to go back and buy the €15 tickets. I understood from what they were saying that these tickets were good for all matches in McHale Park. It's not a big thing, but they'll shoot themselves in the foot. It's bad PR on their part."
Responding, Mayo GAA Board Chairman James Waldron said that FBD League matches 'were never listed on the package' of games to which long-term ticket-holders were offered admission.
"The McHale Park stand tickets are for home National League games, inter-county championship matches at home, and club championship matches. That's it. Sunday's game was a Connacht match, and the FBD would rarely ever be played in McHale Park anyway... FBD matches were never listed on the package."
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2010, 04:35:52 PM
Pure and utter bullshit of the highest order. You'd think they would have let people in for free for that game.
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Post by: Tubberman on March 03, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
No mention of hurling either - so no answer for highking.
Surely if the ticket applies to NFL games, it should apply to NHL games as well. Did anyone think this one out at all?
So many PR gaffes from the Co Board over the last few months with the press box, floodlights, now this.
Abbeysider, you fancy a new challenge??  :D :P ;)
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Post by: AbbeySider on March 03, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
No mention of hurling either - so no answer for highking.
Surely if the ticket applies to NFL games, it should apply to NHL games as well. Did anyone think this one out at all?
So many PR gaffes from the Co Board over the last few months with the press box, floodlights, now this.
Abbeysider, you fancy a new challenge??  :D :P ;)

:D :D :D
It would take a team of accountants, economists, engineers, politicians, counsellors, behaviour specialists and physiologists years to sort out the mess the county board created!
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 20, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
Trevor Mortimer is pleased with how Mayo have performed so far in the national football league.

The Connacht champions put their defeat to Dublin behind them with victory in Derry last weekend - their third win of the campaign to date. And their captain believes that everything is going pretty well so far in terms of using the league as a springboard for the championship.

Speaking to the Mayo News, he says: "We're satisfied with our performances so far.

"We don't want to be kicking 20, 30 points in games at this time of the season. We're training for the championship and we're happy enough with our performances so far."

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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 20, 2010, 08:10:56 PM
John O'Mahony admits he'd love to guide Mayo to a national football league final.

The Connacht champions have made a great start in Division One - with three wins from four outings - and their manager concedes that an appearance in the decider would appeal to him, even though it's not a main priority:

"The only thing that is in our control is to go to Kerry next and give it everything we can. And we'll do that.

"If, at the end, we can be there, I'd love to get to a league final. The thing is: if there's a sniff of it, we'll go for it.

"Usually I think in these leagues that about seven points is usually safety and that's the first watermark.

"Then, of course I'd love a day out in Croke Park."

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Post by: mortified on March 27, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
any score from the Geralds game?
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Post by: Tubberman on March 27, 2010, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: mortified on March 27, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
any score from the Geralds game?

Not a good day for the mayo schools.
St Gerald's lost by 11 points - double scores.
Davitt College lost by 20 points.
but one good result from a connacht point of view, st attracta's of tubbercurry won.

Just heard Angelina giving the scores, but didn't hear the details. They wouldn't make good listening anyway I'd say...
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Post by: Tubberman on March 28, 2010, 11:28:09 AM
Heard from someone last night that the Newry team targetted the St Gerald's players before the match. I have no idea if this is accurate but what I was told is:
The Newry team went down to the end of the pitch the St Gerald's players were warming up and some sort of scrap started. The end result was the St Gerald's goalkeeper ended up with a broken jaw and other players were targetted and unable to play their usual game.
This was the story I was told in a pub, so it could be exaggerated. The mid-west report I heard mentioned that the St Gerald's goalkeeper was injured in the warm up but didn't give details. Was anyone at the match to give a first-hand report??
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Post by: AbbeySider on March 29, 2010, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 28, 2010, 11:28:09 AM
Heard from someone last night that the Newry team targetted the St Gerald's players before the match. I have no idea if this is accurate but what I was told is:
The Newry team went down to the end of the pitch the St Gerald's players were warming up and some sort of scrap started. The end result was the St Gerald's goalkeeper ended up with a broken jaw and other players were targetted and unable to play their usual game.
This was the story I was told in a pub, so it could be exaggerated. The mid-west report I heard mentioned that the St Gerald's goalkeeper was injured in the warm up but didn't give details. Was anyone at the match to give a first-hand report??

The story I heard is that they broke Fankie Walsh's (St Gerald's Keeper) finger before the game and he couldnt play. There is something to the stories but I guess it will all come out soon.
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Post by: mrhardyannual on March 29, 2010, 03:24:12 PM
2- 15 to 1-08 suggests a comprehensive defeat no matter what happened before the game. If Tubberman's melee actually happened it is surprising that it wasn't front page news on the national papers who love to highlight such incidents especially if there are Ulster teams involved. A shut mouth is best when beaten like this - we have wallowed in excuses for too long.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2010, 10:00:47 PM
Mayo defender Donal Vaughan has backed team-mate Aidan O'Shea after his crucial goal in Sunday's win over Monaghan at Castlebar.

O'Shea has come in for some criticism as of late regarding his performances and Vaughan, who put in a 'Man of the Match' display against the Farney men, has rushed to the young attacker's defence.

"I know Aidan's been getting a lot of criticism lately but I never had my doubts," said Vaughan.

"He had a massive year last year, and coming off it, there was a lot of expectations on him, which wasn't fair for a young lad. He's only 19. I knew he'd come good. He's a fantastic player so hopefully that goal will give him confidence to drive on for the rest of the year."

Mayo travel to Pairc Ui Chaoimh on Sunday week to take on Cork in their remaining game of the NFL campaign as they look to seal their place in the Division One decider alongside either the Rebels or third-placed Dublin.

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Post by: FL/MAYO on April 04, 2010, 06:08:36 PM

Paudie likes our chances,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/confidence-boost-can-fire-mayo-to-allireland-glory-2124688.html
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
Read that article today too... Hard to know what to make of Mayo isn't it, teams have gotten so far often and then failed on the big day or got complacent when playing against other teams that other people from other counties would expect the lads to win. I'd like to think Paidi is right this time though, but I'm not getting carried away.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on April 04, 2010, 08:13:26 PM
so paudie reckons that if the ai was played next week mayo would win it yet he expects cork to win the league ??? i hope paudie doesn't get paid too much for writing his weekly column. it seems everyweek he is writing about mayo and winning the ai   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on April 05, 2010, 08:18:10 AM
Sure remember he came out and said that we'd beat Kerry in the 06 final and after it he said he'd never put his head on the block regarding a prediction again involving Mayo, changed his tune now by the sounds of it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 06, 2010, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 04, 2010, 06:08:36 PM

Paudie likes our chances,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/confidence-boost-can-fire-mayo-to-allireland-glory-2124688.html

You would wonder about Paudies motivations for writing that article.

Its well known that there has been sharp exchanges in the media between himself and Johnno so im thinking that by Paudie talking up Mayo's chances like that; he is turning up the pressure and expectations on JOM and Mayo.

JOM is always trying to dampen expectations, while with articles like Paudies, I think he is trying to stir it. 

Mind games and silly nonsense.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on April 07, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I thought this was an April Fool when I read it first. I know Ballintubber are very strong at underage and that as far as I am aware themselves and Parke have no geographical connection but I can't see any logic in the county boards decision. All they are doing is denying a number of lads football all year.

They really need to get their act together on amalgamation especially the botch they made of Ardagh and Moygownagh

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9428:ballintubber-and-parkes-amalgamation-plans-rejected&catid=14&Itemid=100008

Young footballers left in limbo as amalgamation plans rejected

AN application by Parke and Ballintubber GAA clubs to amalgamate for one year at minor level were rejected by the Mayo GAA Executive last week.
The West Mayo clubs had submitted their plans after it became apparent that they were struggling for numbers in the minor grade this year. However, their proposal to play as 'Tower Abbey' was shot down by the County Board Executive and the clubs will be informed of the reason behind the decision when Mayo GAA Secretary, Seán Feeney, returns from holidays this week.

The rejection of the amalgamation proposal effectively means that Parke will be unable to field a minor team in either league or championship this year, leaving 'four or five 18 year-olds' and 'three or four 17 year-olds' without club football.
Speaking to The Mayo News last Friday, Parke GAA club's Bord na nÓg Chairman, Martin 'Ginger' McLoughlin, gave his reaction to the decision.
"I was shocked to be honest. I really can't see any logic behind the decision and I'm disgusted with it. We're struggling to keep young lads playing football and this won't help.
"I feel very sorry for our lads, especially Darren Durcan who is part of the Mayo minor panel at the moment. Where is he going to seen playing club football this summer?
"I knew the application was a bit late going in but that was because we had approached some neighbouring clubs, Balla and Islandeady, to discuss amalgamation at minor level," added the Mayo over 40s All-Ireland winner.
"They were okay for numbers and it was only recently that we became aware that Ballintubber were struggling like ourselves this year. We never dreamt that they would be short of players at minor.
"Once we agreed to submit the application, I really thought there would be no problem. After all, isn't the GAA supposed to be about lads playing football? We're okay for numbers from U-14 down but have real problems at U-16 and minor level. We haven't got together as a club yet to discuss the matter but we'll have to consider our options now."

Meanwhile, Ballintubber must also decide on their next course of action now. They are currently still among the teams down to play Division 1, 15-a-side football, even though they are struggling to make up the numbers.
"We have always had problems with numbers with this particular group of players and this has been exacerbated this year due to circumstances outside of our control," said Ballintubber Chairman Sean Hallinan.
"We only found out about Parke's situation a fortnight ago, hence the late application for this amalgamation, but we were delighted to have found what we felt was the perfect solution.
"All we wanted to do is give lads the opportunity to play competitive club football in 2010, simple as that, and I amazed that our proposal was shot down, without so much as even a plausible explanation from the County Board.
"I heard at the County Convention, Chairman, James Waldron say that amalgamation was the way forward for clubs short of numbers so I'm astounded that the Executive made this decision. If we see there is merit in doing so, we may appeal," he concluded.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on April 07, 2010, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on April 06, 2010, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 04, 2010, 06:08:36 PM

Paudie likes our chances,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/confidence-boost-can-fire-mayo-to-allireland-glory-2124688.html

You would wonder about Paudies motivations for writing that article.

Its well known that there has been sharp exchanges in the media between himself and Johnno so im thinking that by Paudie talking up Mayo's chances like that; he is turning up the pressure and expectations on JOM and Mayo.

JOM is always trying to dampen expectations, while with articles like Paudies, I think he is trying to stir it. 

Mind games and silly nonsense.
Beware of any Kerryman who bestows great praise upon you  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on April 07, 2010, 11:52:55 PM
Presumably some minor regulation about submitting late applications is preventing the CB from allowing that.......O for some common sense......
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 07, 2010, 11:58:42 PM
That must be why Ballintubber couldn't field a team against us this evening so...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 08, 2010, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on April 07, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I thought this was an April Fool when I read it first. I know Ballintubber are very strong at underage and that as far as I am aware themselves and Parke have no geographical connection but I can't see any logic in the county boards decision. All they are doing is denying a number of lads football all year.

They really need to get their act together on amalgamation especially the botch they made of Ardagh and Moygownagh

It was a very disheartening decision by the county board and im still shocked by it. I dont know the reasons for it, maybe some clubs are trying to keep us weak and keep a team out of the championship to improve their own chances, I dont know but it wouldnt surprise me. I cant see any other logic besides that.

Unfortunately our numbers are extremely thin at minor level because of a few families moving away from the area. We cant physically scrape 15 players, and with Parke in a worse scenario with only a handful of players so it makes sense for a temporary amalgamation.

Whats really disappointing is that there is 13-14 lads from Ballintubber and about 7-8 lads from Parke with absolutely no football this year at their age group. That will be a terrible blow to the clubs and the lads playing careers.

The two lads involved at county level this year; Darren Durcan and Cillian O Connor wont be able to compete at their own age group at club level this year. Its terrible
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 08, 2010, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on April 06, 2010, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 04, 2010, 06:08:36 PM

Paudie likes our chances,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/confidence-boost-can-fire-mayo-to-allireland-glory-2124688.html

You would wonder about Paudies motivations for writing that article.

Its well known that there has been sharp exchanges in the media between himself and Johnno so im thinking that by Paudie talking up Mayo's chances like that; he is turning up the pressure and expectations on JOM and Mayo.

JOM is always trying to dampen expectations, while with articles like Paudies, I think he is trying to stir it. 

Mind games and silly nonsense.

It's ridiculous. The least that's deserved is a full explanation of why this proposal was rejected. Only last year James Waldron was saying that amalgamation was inevitable in some cases. Then when two clubs come together with a proposal to amalgamate temporarily at minor level, it's turned down  ??? Makes no sense.
For the players left without a team to play for, it's very unfair. And what's to say they'll come back to the clubs when there's a team they qualify to play for. They are entering the age group where most players are lost - and the county board are actively discouraging them from sticking with their clubs.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: derryhero on April 08, 2010, 11:35:18 AM
didnt even know mayo played hurling...obviosuly their clean dung
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on April 08, 2010, 02:56:40 PM
is that the best ya can do
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Bod Mor on April 27, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
I reckon this should be the team to start against Sligo:

   Clarke
Barrett   Cafferkey   K Higgins
Gardiner   T Mortimer   Vaughan
            McGarrity  S O'Se
A Moran   Harte   Dillon
C Mortimer   A O'Se   Kilcoyne

I know it's controversial putting T Mortimer in at CHB but it would be a worth a test anyway.
Unfair on Ronaldson and Varley as well because they had a great league.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 27, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on April 27, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
I reckon this should be the team to start against Sligo:

   Clarke
Barrett   Cafferkey   K Higgins
Gardiner   T Mortimer   Vaughan
            McGarrity  S O'Se
A Moran   Harte   Dillon
C Mortimer   A O'Se   Kilcoyne

I know it's controversial putting T Mortimer in at CHB but it would be a worth a test anyway.
Unfair on Ronaldson and Varley as well because they had a great league.

I posted my own team on the Cork thread but there are so many opinions on that thread it got swallowed up.

I wouldnt have Trev on the team at the minute. Maybe he could lift things as an impact sub running against tired legs, but against Cork he didnt look up to it.

My team for Sligo based on the league

                  Clarke
Trevor Howley, Ger Cafferkey,  K Higgins
D Vaughan, S O Shea, K McLoughlin
McGarity, Parsons
Andy Moran, Alan Dillon, Aidan Kilcoyne
C Mortimer, A O'Shea, Enda Varley


The above defence is much more solid. Howley has better defending qualities than Liam O Malley and we need Keith Higgins in the other corner. Cafferkey is just about holding on because there are days I would use Conroy against a bigger full forward. Having said that I would use Cafferkey in the corner before Howley if Conroy was fullback.

The wing backs pick themselves but I would put Seamus O Shea at CB as he has all the qualities. He is very good at stopping and tackling and would hit anything that came down the middle. I think he is instinctively defensive and he presence would hold that space and if im not mistaken, played at Center Back for the U21s.

Parsons would want a running kick in the arse on his way out the dressing room to get him going. McGarity proved in the half he was on against Cork that he is our best option for high fielding.

That half forward line and serious penetration. Andy and Killer love running at defences and all three are good at foraging and winning breaks. We know Dillons reading and play-making ability is proven in the past so I would leave him at CF.

The Mort showed at the weekend that he is still one of our best scorers and Endy Varley proved in the league that he is worth his place. I would actually change it up and switch Dillon and Aidan O Shea for a few minutes to mix up the attack. Kilcoyne is unlucky to miss out but he would be in for Conor Mort or Varley at some stage. All in all I think thats the best we can do with the current panel.

I think we could be in serious trouble against Sligo in six week times.
Its all set up for a perfect ambush.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 27, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
           Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins K.
Vaughan O'Malley McLoughlin
McG SOS
Killer Ronaldo Diller
Thriller Moran B. Pillar

Andy, Trevor & Trevor could play their way back in but need to be flying in training. Big Tom, hard to know, might benefit from having to fight for his place. Conroy can cover 3 & 6 depending on what we are playing.

Tom Cunniffe could come into the reckoning and not sure what Barry Moran's status is. I'd like to see one or both Kilcullens in the squad but don't know what happened there.

No more half forwards in the half back line please! Didn't work last year, not going to work this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on April 28, 2010, 09:16:46 AM
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
           Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins K.
Vaughan O'Malley McLoughlin
McG SOS
Killer Ronaldo Diller
Thriller Moran B. Pillar

...

No more half forwards in the half back line please! Didn't work last year, not going to work this year.

Thats a fair team Muppet, Ronaldo at CF could work. And maybe O Malley has something to offer at CB but im not sure he is much of a stopper as he looks dodge on the back foot with forwards running at him.  :(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on May 01, 2010, 10:10:45 AM
Championship Panel seems to be well known at this stage, all the players involved in Croke Park plus BJ Padden, Neil Douglas, Shane Nally & Alan Feeney . Mickey Sweeney, Ger Mc Donagh, Lee Keegan & Barry Kelly gone. What are peoples thoughts, especially on BJ back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on May 01, 2010, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: REDCOL on May 01, 2010, 10:10:45 AM
Championship Panel seems to be well known at this stage, all the players involved in Croke Park plus BJ Padden, Neil Douglas, Shane Nally & Alan Feeney . Mickey Sweeney, Ger Mc Donagh, Lee Keegan & Barry Kelly gone. What are peoples thoughts, especially on BJ back.

is bj back in the panel didn't realise that . did he have to take part in a trial match to prove himself or was he just brought back ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on May 01, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Much happier to be at our homebase here where we can bitch amongst ourselves, not have supporters of other teams tell us how crap we are (despite the fact that we get results that they could only dream of) and have ourselves written up as delusional Sam seekers who do nothing but tell the country that we are going to win the All Ireland this year and every year. Lazy analysis taken from lazy journalists.

Last Sunday was a disaster and is a serious blow to the lads. A Connacht championship is still realistic but I do think that Galway are in the driving seat now. I fully expect that we will beat Sligo. But if we do win Connacht how are the lads going to react. Sit back, with feet of clay and worry about what might happen or what we really desire and what they really should want - dust themselves down, confront their fears, let their football do the talking, give it a good shot and if they win they win.

Anyway my championship team:

Clarke

Barrett
Cafferkey
Higgins

Vaughan
Cunniffe
Gardiner

McGarrity
Seamie O'Se

Dillon
Aidan O'Se
Pat Harte

Aidan Kilcoyne
Barry Moran
Enda Varley

I think that we need a consistent freetaker and the Killer should be taken aside and told this is what we need him for. Of course he has the ability to contribute from play but he should be told that his primary task is to kick all reasonable frees within 50 yards of goal. Focus his training on this. It is a 5/6 point contribution per game. Crucial to any team. Look back on the Dubin game - they knew they could get away with fouling us without being punished. All teams know this. It is an easy thing to correct.

The downside is that we have too many fellas on my team that have played little football this year but I think many of the returnees are amongst the best in the county.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 02, 2010, 01:13:00 PM

Do you not think Kevin McLoughlin has done enough to make the team Barney?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on May 02, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
QuoteMuch happier to be at our homebase here where we can bitch amongst ourselves, not have supporters of other teams tell us how crap we are (despite the fact that we get results that they could only dream of) and have ourselves written up as delusional Sam seekers who do nothing but tell the country that we are going to win the All Ireland this year and every year. Lazy analysis taken from lazy journalists.

Is that not a cheap shot? I can only speak for myself but I don't think I have ever said anything that I didn't feel to be true and I've tried top rationalize my opinions and defend them reasonably. I think most other non-Mayo posters did the same. It isn't a good sign of a county if you feel the need to block out the rest of the world and dismiss the views of others as those of jealous outsiders. There are real problems in Mayo football and you are not producing footballers of the necessary quality, hard questions need to be asked and though I have a lot of respect for the majority of the Mayo lads who post here if ye'd prefer to lock yourselves away behind your boarders and blame manager after manager then you might find the search for Sam go on for much longer.

I'm not suggesting, by the way, that posters like myself have the answer or anything but the opinions of those coming at the problem from a different perspective can often highlight issues that people closer to the coalface fail to see sometimes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on May 02, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Zulu speaking for myself I have no problem with constructive criticism but cliched and misinformed analysis as is rampant in the GAA is a pain in the arse after some of the defeatas we have had to rationalise ourselves.

Moysider I like McLoughlin, but I think he is not yet ready. He is still too light. I am not a huge Gardiner fan but think at this point he is probably a better option in what would be a very inexperienced half-back line. I take it you agree with the rest of the team?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
Barney, on McLoughlin - I doubt he will ever change. That's how all the rest of his family members are etc. All lean and thin. About your team, I suppose Cafferkey will now have to do at full-back as there is nobody else that seems good enough. I agree with you that Parsons has to be dropped. I would also slot in Trevor Howley at no 5 instead of Vaughan. Not a Gardiner fan myself either and I wouldn't have him in it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 02, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 02, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Zulu speaking for myself I have no problem with constructive criticism but cliched and misinformed analysis as is rampant in the GAA is a pain in the arse after some of the defeatas we have had to rationalise ourselves.

Moysider I like McLoughlin, but I think he is not yet ready. He is still too light. I am not a huge Gardiner fan but think at this point he is probably a better option in what would be a very inexperienced half-back line. I take it you agree with the rest of the team?

I might disagree with a couple but that s the way it goes. I think it s all very welll picking teams but I dont think our problems can be addressed by just selection. Peter Canavan picked out Kevin McLoughlin as the only Mayo player that impressed him. No fear of reputations and took the game to Cork. We have few enough players like that. I dont think we should be dropping one our most impressive players so far this year. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 03, 2010, 01:05:47 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 02, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
I might disagree with a couple but that s the way it goes. I think it s all very welll picking teams but I dont think our problems can be addressed by just selection. Peter Canavan picked out Kevin McLoughlin as the only Mayo player that impressed him. No fear of reputations and took the game to Cork. We have few enough players like that. I dont think we should be dropping one our most impressive players so far this year.

Can't agree Moysider that Kevin McLoughlin was one of our most impresive players thus far - the league final aside he struggled for form. But, ability wise, he has it. Physicality is a problem but I'd still have him in the team.

Good to see some suggesting Aidan O'Shea at centre-half forward - his best position by some distance. Barry Moran looked good at full forward today for Mitchels too.

I'd go with this team

Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey K Higgins
Cunniffe Vaughan McLoughlin
S O'Shea McGarrity
A Moran A O'Shea A Dillon
C Mortimer B Moran A Kilcoyne

Now, in that team, Cunniffe is lucky to make it, just ahead of Gardiner while Trevor Howley won't be far away, but not at centre-half back. In attack Andy is lucky to be in and Killer still has to show us what sort of form he is in. Varley had a very good league and I would be tempted to maybe pick him ahead of the Mort but he did come up trumps in the league final when others went missing. I think the key with the team there is a strong spine in terms of size. Vaughan would have to prove himself though and, being honest I don't see that team being close to what O'Mahony will pick. Cunniffe will be centre-back and Trevor Mortimer will make that team too and O'Shea will be left at 14, maybe with Moran beside him. Ah well, we can always dream that the right team will be picked . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 03, 2010, 01:59:05 AM

Just back in from the pub and full. But remind me, why is Cuniffe in the equation?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 03, 2010, 08:34:59 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 03, 2010, 01:59:05 AM

Just back in from the pub and full. But remind me, why is Cuniffe in the equation?

Jesus, I didn't think Johnno would be safe with you in front of a keyboard and full with porter Moysider!

Cunniffe, to my mind, is one of the best wing-backs we have but he's been used, mistakingly, at centre-half back. He doesn't have the presence or the smarts for that position. On the wing he is a real danger to have for attacking and would be, marginally, ahead of Gardiner for me.

But, mark my words, I've a scary feeling O'Mahony will plonk him in centre-half back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 03, 2010, 12:57:00 PM
What has Vaughan done wrong in peoples eyes ?

I thought he was one of our best and most consistent during the league?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 03, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 03, 2010, 01:05:47 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 02, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
I might disagree with a couple but that s the way it goes. I think it s all very welll picking teams but I dont think our problems can be addressed by just selection. Peter Canavan picked out Kevin McLoughlin as the only Mayo player that impressed him. No fear of reputations and took the game to Cork. We have few enough players like that. I dont think we should be dropping one our most impressive players so far this year.

Can't agree Moysider that Kevin McLoughlin was one of our most impresive players thus far - the league final aside he struggled for form. But, ability wise, he has it. Physicality is a problem but I'd still have him in the team.

Good to see some suggesting Aidan O'Shea at centre-half forward - his best position by some distance. Barry Moran looked good at full forward today for Mitchels too.

I'd go with this team

Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey K Higgins
Cunniffe Vaughan McLoughlin
S O'Shea McGarrity
A Moran A O'Shea A Dillon
C Mortimer B Moran A Kilcoyne

Now, in that team, Cunniffe is lucky to make it, just ahead of Gardiner while Trevor Howley won't be far away, but not at centre-half back. In attack Andy is lucky to be in and Killer still has to show us what sort of form he is in. Varley had a very good league and I would be tempted to maybe pick him ahead of the Mort but he did come up trumps in the league final when others went missing. I think the key with the team there is a strong spine in terms of size. Vaughan would have to prove himself though and, being honest I don't see that team being close to what O'Mahony will pick. Cunniffe will be centre-back and Trevor Mortimer will make that team too and O'Shea will be left at 14, maybe with Moran beside him. Ah well, we can always dream that the right team will be picked . . .

Thought that McLoughlin started the league very strong against Galway. Also should be remembered that he played a lot of football this Spring and looked wrecked for a while. There was the Sigerson and then the U21 where he was asked to play no.11. For me he would be a nailed down starter, as would Chris Barrett, Vaughan and Seamas O Sé. For me they re showing a hunger that should be the bottom line for any county player.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on May 03, 2010, 02:24:31 PM

2010 Championship Panel – Mayo Senior Football Team

Name   Name as Gaeilge   Club   Club as Gaeilge

Chris Barrett   Críostóir Bairéid   Belmullet   Béal an Mhuirthead
Ger Cafferkey   Gearoid MacEafarcaigh   Ballina Stephenites   Na Stiofánaigh, Beal Átha an Fheada
David Clarke   Daithí Ó Cléirigh   Ballina Stephenites   Na Stiofánaigh, Beal Átha an Fheada
Kieran Conroy   Ciarán Ó Conraoi   Shrule-Glencorrib   Sruthair-Gleann Coirib
Tom Cunniffe   Tomas Ó Conduibh   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Alan Dillon   Alan Ó Diolun    Ballintubber   Baile an Tobair
Neil Douglas   Niall Mac Dúghlais   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Alan Feeney   Alan Ó Fiannaí   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Alan Freeman   Alan Mac an tSaoir   Aghamore   Achadh Mór
Peadar Gardiner   Peadar Ó Gardineir   Crossmolina   Crois Mhaoilíona
Patrick Harte   Padraig Ó hAirt   Ballina Stephenites   Na Stiofánaigh, Beal Átha an Fheada
Keith Higgins   Ceit Ó hUigínn   Ballyhaunis   Béal Átha hAmhnais
Trevor Howley   Traolach Ó hUallaigh   Knockmore   Cnoc Mór
Aidan Kilcoyne   Aodhán MacGiollacadhain   Knockmore   Cnoc Mór
Ronan McGarrity   Ronán MacFheartaigh   Ballina   Beal an Átha
Kevin McLoughlin   Caoimhín MacLaughlainn   Knockmore   Cnoc Mór
Andy Moran   Aindriú Ó Moráin   Ballaghaderreen   Bealach an Doirín
Barry Moran   Barra Ó Moráin   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Conor Mortimer   Concubhair Ó Muireartaigh   Shrule-Glencorrib   Sruthair-Gleann Coirib
Trevor Mortimer   Traolach Ó Muireartaigh    Shrule-Glencorrib   Sruthair-Gleann Coirib
Shane Nally   Seán Mac an Fhailí   Garrymore   Garraí Mór
Kenneth O'Malley   Cionnait Ó Máille   Ballinrobe   Baile an Róba
Liam O'Malley   Liam Ó Máille   Burrishoole   Buireas Uamhaill
Aidan O'Shea   Aodhán Ó Shea   Breaffy   Bréach Mhaigh
Seamus O'Shea   Seamus Ó Shea   Breaffy   Bréach Mhaigh
Billy Joe Padden   Liam Seosamh MacPháidín   Belmullet   Béal an Mhuirthead
Tom Parsons   Tomas MacPhearsúin   Charlestown   Baile an Chathail
Mark Ronaldson   Marc MacRaghnaill   Shrule-Glencorrib   Sruthair-Gleann Coirib
Enda Varley   Eanna Mac an Bhearlaigh   Garrymore   Garraí Mór
Donal Vaughan   Donal Ó Beachain   Ballinrobe   Baile an Róba
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on May 03, 2010, 02:25:30 PM

2010 Championship Panel – Mayo Minor Football Team

Name   Name as Gaeilge   Club   Club as Gaeilge

Ruari Byrne   Ruairí Ó Broinn   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Darren Coen   Darren Ó Cadhain   Hollymount   Maolla
Keith Coleman   Ceit Ó Colmáin   Ballintubber   Baile an Tobair
Cian Costello   Cian Ó Coisteala   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Darren Durkan   Darren Ó Durcáin   Parke   An Pháirc
Fergal Durkan   Feargal Ó Durcáin   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Michael Forde   Micheal MacGiollarnáth   Ballycastle   Baile an Chaisil
Niall Freeman   Niall Mac an tSaoir   Aghamore   Achadh Mór
Brendan Harrison   Breandán Ó hEarchaí   Aghamore   Achadh Mór
Conor Horan   Concubhair Ó hÓráin   Swinford   Béal Átha na Muice
Ciaran Kelly   Ciarán Ó Ceallaigh   Eastern Gaels   Gaeil an Oirthir
Sean Kelly   Sean Ó Ceallaigh   Moy Davitts   Daibhéidigh na Muaidhe
Danny Kirby   Dónal MacGeirbe   Castlebar Mitchels   Na Mistéalí, Caisléan an Bharraigh
Adrian Leonard   Adrian Ó Loinín   Lahardane   Leathardáin
Paul Mannion   Pól  Ó Mainnín   Mayo Gaels   Gaeil Mhaigheo
Eamonn McAndrew   Éamann MacAindriú   Belmullet   Béal an Mhuirthead
Jack McDonnell   Sean MacDómhnaill   Swinford   Béal Átha na Muice
Sean McGarry   Sean Mac an Fhearaigh   Ballina Stephenites   Na Stiofánaigh, Beal Átha an Fheada
Cillian O'Connor   Cillian Ó Conchubhair   Ballintubber   Baile an Tobair
Conor O'Shea   Concubhair Ó Sé   Breaffy   Bréach Mhaigh
Ryan Quirke   Ríain Ó Coirc   Claremorris   Clár Chlainne Mhuiris
Mark Regan   Marc Ó Riagáin   Moy Davitts   Daibhéidigh na Muaidhe
Josh Roynane   Seosamh Ó Ronáin   Davitts   Na Daibhéidigh
Keith Ruttledge   Ceit Ó Maoildeirg   Knockmore   Cnoc Mór
John Sammon   Sean Ó Bradáin   Burrishoole   Buireas Uamhaill
James Shaughnessy   Seamus Ó Seachnasaigh   Claremorris   Clár Chlainne Mhuiris
Brian Timlin   Brian Toimilín   Knockmore   Cnoc Mór
Ciaran Twomey   Ciarán Ó Túama   Ballina Stephenites   Na Stiofánaigh, Beal Átha an Fheada
David Twomey   Daithí Ó Túama   Ballina Stephenites   Na Stiofánaigh, Beal Átha an Fheada
Conor Walsh   Concubhair Breathnach   Balla   Ball Alainn
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 03, 2010, 02:34:48 PM

Good work REDCOL.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 03, 2010, 02:47:09 PM
i can't believe People are picking cafferkey as a shoo in and leaving Mclouchlin out and thren metioming league form as a guide.

. Cafferkey has looked like a nervous minor for the bits of the league he wasnn't dropped for where ad K MCL has been a class act in almost every game.
I have to suspect its personal when i see people like barney picking Gardiner ahead of him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: GBXII on May 03, 2010, 03:11:11 PM
Interesting teams being picked here. The team I would go for, for what it's worth, is:

                                                   Clarke

Howley                                      Cafferkey                                 Higgins

Vaughan                                    Cunniffe                                 McLoughlin

                                McGarrity                  S. O'Shea

A. Moran                                    Parsons                                   Dillon

C. Mortimer                                A. O'Shea                                A. Kilcoyne


Clarke isn't an issue. Howley, in my opinion just isn't a number 6 and I think Cunniffe is our best bet there. Better passer, more pace, and definitely better reader of the game, which is what it is all about at CHB. Cafferkey is our best FB and I think he'll improve. Higgins, while probably best at 5 or 7 is badly needed in the corner so he stays there.

Vaughan and McLoghlin have had very good league campaigns and it is hard to see them not starting unless JOM feels Gardiner would give the side some much needed experience.

At midfield, I think that playing the 3 lads (Parsons, McGarrity & O'Shea) could be very effective like it was at the beginning of the league before McGarrity got injured. And before everyone starts about Parsons lets not forget he had a very solid league campaign up until the final.

That leaves a space at 11 which I feel Dillon should occupy with Kilcoyne floating between 15 and 12, giving room to our 2 full forwards and space for the wing back to attack into.

Overall, I think T Mortimer is too much of liability to start with and could make a good impact sub. P Harte and Barry Moran are also contenders if/when fit and ready. Barrett and Ronaldson/Varley are also decent enough subs to be able to bring in.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 03, 2010, 03:47:59 PM
Why not start Varley? I think he's as good as any of the other forwards you've mentioned there GBXII.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: GBXII on May 03, 2010, 06:55:19 PM
Well he's a corner forward right?So he would be competing with Kilcoyne and Mortimer, I just think Mortimer and Kilcoyne are better and more proven than him but in fairness I have only seen play in this years legaue and he did very well so hopefully he turns out to be as good as the other forwards.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 03, 2010, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 02, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
QuoteMuch happier to be at our homebase here where we can bitch amongst ourselves, not have supporters of other teams tell us how crap we are (despite the fact that we get results that they could only dream of) and have ourselves written up as delusional Sam seekers who do nothing but tell the country that we are going to win the All Ireland this year and every year. Lazy analysis taken from lazy journalists.

Is that not a cheap shot? I can only speak for myself but I don't think I have ever said anything that I didn't feel to be true and I've tried top rationalize my opinions and defend them reasonably. I think most other non-Mayo posters did the same. It isn't a good sign of a county if you feel the need to block out the rest of the world and dismiss the views of others as those of jealous outsiders. There are real problems in Mayo football and you are not producing footballers of the necessary quality, hard questions need to be asked and though I have a lot of respect for the majority of the Mayo lads who post here if ye'd prefer to lock yourselves away behind your boarders and blame manager after manager then you might find the search for Sam go on for much longer.

I'm not suggesting, by the way, that posters like myself have the answer or anything but the opinions of those coming at the problem from a different perspective can often highlight issues that people closer to the coalface fail to see sometimes.

I and I m sure a lot of Mayo posters would agree that we are off the pace as regards winning an AI any time soon. What bothers me though is when we are unhappy with a certain display or selections, outsiders tell us we re lucky to have such a fine manager and he s doing quite well with the limitations at his disposal.
Some of us have been asking the hard questions. For a long time.
Most counties are not producing the necessary quality. Cork happen to have arrived in a good place again after 20 years. Success is largely down to several quality players emerging around the same time. It s happened in places like Tyrone and Armagh. It happens in Kerry more often than anywhere else. It happened in Donegal and Derry too. They would have had the formula if there was a formula as well. Another Downey, Twohill, Brolly off the production line please there. Did nt happen for them again.
Sure we blame managers. They re the guys flyin the plane and they've gone down in The Hudson a few times. From Johnno mark1 through Maughan, Holmes and Johnno again there have been some desperate calls. One AI at least, was left behind by management. They are entitled to our wrath.
  Johnno's treatment of the senior players since his return has not been pleasant and has n t been profitable either. He s broken eggs but failed to make an omlette. And on our latest crash and burn, it should be remembered that Johnno was playing with his own deck of cards. That s what he put together. He must be judged on that.
His supporters will argue that he was going with the best available. But that is not the case. As I ve said before we re going around in circles on this one.
The fact that our search for Sam has gone on so long and may go on as long again is nothing to do with us posters. The blazers that are running the show dont listen to anybody. I m not sure Sam is even on their agenda. They re all too busy minding their own little fiefdoms and making sure nobody is put in charge of a team that will break any moulds. We re a conservative county run by conservative men. And judging by attendances at games this year the punter in Mayo has got the message and moved on. They ve been told to mind their own business and they have. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I cant understand people putting Tom Cunniffe on their team when he has hardly played two games at any level in the past year. Strange!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 04, 2010, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I cant understand people putting Tom Cunniffe on their team when he has hardly played two games at any level in the past year. Strange!

That s where I was coming from earlier.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I cant understand people putting Tom Cunniffe on their team when he has hardly played two games at any level in the past year. Strange!

Mark my words, he'll be centre-half back v Sligo. Not saying I agree with that - I don't, I would have Vaughan or Conroy there or maybe even Cafferkey - but JOM rates him for that position. I do think he has a lot to offer as a wing-back but nowhere else. I know you don't rate him Abbeysider but I'd have him up there with Gardiner battling for five with Vaughan inside. But the championship half-back line will be - Vaughan - Cunniffe - McLoughlin.

Moysider, I'd agree with you in your response to Zulu. I've yet to meet anyone in Mayo who expects an All-Ireland anytime immediate. We maybe once were a demanding group of supporters, but we're very realistic now, perhaps too much so. Every outsider seems to think our criticism of any part of Mayo football is predicated upon a belief that we may win an All-Ireland. All we want is to give us the best chance of being as good as we can be.We don't have the players to win an All-Irelnad, imho, but it would be nice to think that we could pick the best team, play with some tactical nous and not collapse at the first sign of a big game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on May 04, 2010, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I cant understand people putting Tom Cunniffe on their team when he has hardly played two games at any level in the past year. Strange!

Mark my words, he'll be centre-half back v Sligo. Not saying I agree with that - I don't, I would have Vaughan or Conroy there or maybe even Cafferkey - but JOM rates him for that position. I do think he has a lot to offer as a wing-back but nowhere else. I know you don't rate him Abbeysider but I'd have him up there with Gardiner battling for five with Vaughan inside. But the championship half-back line will be - Vaughan - Cunniffe - McLoughlin.

Moysider, I'd agree with you in your response to Zulu. I've yet to meet anyone in Mayo who expects an All-Ireland anytime immediate. We maybe once were a demanding group of supporters, but we're very realistic now, perhaps too much so. Every outsider seems to think our criticism of any part of Mayo football is predicated upon a belief that we may win an All-Ireland. All we want is to give us the best chance of being as good as we can be.We don't have the players to win an All-Irelnad, imho, but it would be nice to think that we could pick the best team, play with some tactical nous and not collapse at the first sign of a big game.
Ya, i agree that Cunniffe will start at number 6, he played well there for last years league and the u21s a few years ago but I'd have to agree, wing back would suit him alot more so.
Exactly, just like to get some pride back would be nice. I think that one of the most satisfying aspects of the win in 06 v Dublin, least we showed some fight and pride....only to have it wiped clean again a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I cant understand people putting Tom Cunniffe on their team when he has hardly played two games at any level in the past year. Strange!

Mark my words, he'll be centre-half back v Sligo. Not saying I agree with that - I don't, I would have Vaughan or Conroy there or maybe even Cafferkey - but JOM rates him for that position. I do think he has a lot to offer as a wing-back but nowhere else. I know you don't rate him Abbeysider but I'd have him up there with Gardiner battling for five with Vaughan inside. But the championship half-back line will be - Vaughan - Cunniffe - McLoughlin.
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Quote from: ballinaman on May 04, 2010, 01:33:48 PM
Ya, i agree that Cunniffe will start at number 6, he played well there for last years league and the u21s a few years ago but I'd have to agree, wing back would suit him alot more so.

Im willing to give the guy a chance, but I think its suicide playing someone that has played only two club games in the past year and expect him to be able to play centre back for Mayo come championship, when he has not had a minute of inter-county football this year AFAIA. The guy was in college in England and had no football.

In fact, its even crazier than bringing back BJP onto the panel, who has dont very little of note either.

Vaughan, Cafferkey, Conroy and even Howley would be ahead of Cunniffe in my book - only because of the lack of match practice and Cunniffe being unproven at senior level - yet.

I heard he wasnt the best at the weekend against Breaffy, but in fairness what was Ford thinking putting him centre forward? Was he being accommodated? Is Eoin O Reilly seen as a better Centre Back for Mitchels?

Were you at the game R&GS? Do I ask too many questions?  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 02:22:38 PM
Do I ask too many questions?  ;)

YES ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Barney on May 04, 2010, 02:53:25 PM
If fully fit I think Tom Cunniffe is our best option to try at CHB.

I agree fully with those that say he hasn't the game time - but some change is needed. I don't think Vaughan is domniant enough for the position. In fact I don't really think we have any good candidates for the position. He will start there though. And will be flanked by Vaughan and Gardiner whatever we might think - the manager is a big Gardiner fan and named him vice-captain - if fit he will start. Its hard to get the team than on!

But this problem of players only coming along for the championship ride isn't a new one - last year we had Trevor Howley, David Heaney, Kilcoyne and Barry Moran all in the championship team come the Summer without any hard winter work. It does show, and even though some of them are our best options they will be off the pace.

The League Final probably means the end of this current set-up unless something dramatic happens during the Summer. We are not All Ireland winning material but we are certainly in a position to put up a better fight. Unless something dramatic happens the results v Galway, v Derry in year 1; the inability to finish off Tyrone in year 2; the defeat to Meath last year; and the thrashing by Cork this year is evidence of a consistent trend and it can be ignored and we can stay the same or politics can be put to the side, a change made, and maybe we can get out best options on the pitch for a championship battle. Right now a win v Sligo looks like the only possible high this Summer. Galway will beat us and after that it will be the luck of the draw but any half-decent team will push us over the edge.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I cant understand people putting Tom Cunniffe on their team when he has hardly played two games at any level in the past year. Strange!

Mark my words, he'll be centre-half back v Sligo. Not saying I agree with that - I don't, I would have Vaughan or Conroy there or maybe even Cafferkey - but JOM rates him for that position. I do think he has a lot to offer as a wing-back but nowhere else. I know you don't rate him Abbeysider but I'd have him up there with Gardiner battling for five with Vaughan inside. But the championship half-back line will be - Vaughan - Cunniffe - McLoughlin.
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Quote from: ballinaman on May 04, 2010, 01:33:48 PM
Ya, i agree that Cunniffe will start at number 6, he played well there for last years league and the u21s a few years ago but I'd have to agree, wing back would suit him alot more so.

Im willing to give the guy a chance, but I think its suicide playing someone that has played only two club games in the past year and expect him to be able to play centre back for Mayo come championship, when he has not had a minute of inter-county football this year AFAIA. The guy was in college in England and had no football.

In fact, its even crazier than bringing back BJP onto the panel, who has dont very little of note either.

Vaughan, Cafferkey, Conroy and even Howley would be ahead of Cunniffe in my book - only because of the lack of match practice and Cunniffe being unproven at senior level - yet.

I heard he wasnt the best at the weekend against Breaffy, but in fairness what was Ford thinking putting him centre forward? Was he being accommodated? Is Eoin O Reilly seen as a better Centre Back for Mitchels?

Were you at the game R&GS? Do I ask too many questions?  ;)

On Mitchels, I'd say they're easing him back into it but that's a bit of a guess. He was good in the first fifteen minutes at centre-half forward but then went out of the game badly. I would have Vaughan, Conroy and Cafferkey ahead of Cunniffe for centre-back, but not Howley. As I said, I wouldn't have him there myself. But I think he'll be picked there if he shows even a semblance of form.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on May 04, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 04, 2010, 02:53:25 PM
If fully fit I think Tom Cunniffe is our best option to try at CHB.

I agree fully with those that say he hasn't the game time - but some change is needed. I don't think Vaughan is domniant enough for the position. In fact I don't really think we have any good candidates for the position. He will start there though. And will be flanked by Vaughan and Gardiner whatever we might think - the manager is a big Gardiner fan and named him vice-captain - if fit he will start. Its hard to get the team than on!

But this problem of players only coming along for the championship ride isn't a new one - last year we had Trevor Howley, David Heaney, Kilcoyne and Barry Moran all in the championship team come the Summer without any hard winter work. It does show, and even though some of them are our best options they will be off the pace.

The League Final probably means the end of this current set-up unless something dramatic happens during the Summer. We are not All Ireland winning material but we are certainly in a position to put up a better fight. Unless something dramatic happens the results v Galway, v Derry in year 1; the inability to finish off Tyrone in year 2; the defeat to Meath last year; and the thrashing by Cork this year is evidence of a consistent trend and it can be ignored and we can stay the same or politics can be put to the side, a change made, and maybe we can get out best options on the pitch for a championship battle. Right now a win v Sligo looks like the only possible high this Summer. Galway will beat us and after that it will be the luck of the draw but any half-decent team will push us over the edge.

Galway just scraped past New York. We made the league final.

If we got past Sligo why would we be afraid of Galway?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 04, 2010, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 04, 2010, 02:53:25 PM
But this problem of players only coming along for the championship ride isn't a new one - last year we had Trevor Howley, David Heaney, Kilcoyne and Barry Moran all in the championship team come the Summer without any hard winter work. It does show, and even though some of them are our best options they will be off the pace.

This might be controversial but I would add Keith Higgins to that list for this year.
He isnt half the player he was since he came back from Oz.
In fact, I think he was only having mediocre season before he got injured, compared to the flair he used to show.  :-\
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
Jees lads completely different team selections by everyone of ye, after a full league campaign. How is Kevin Walsh supposed to prepare for this game when he wont have a clue what mayo team will line out on June 5th?

Dont be afraid to debate this on sligo v mayo thread ;),
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 05:28:59 PM
Trev Mort for 6. We all know he will start.
He can't play in forwards so why don't we put the player who is lauded for his "spoiling" tactics rather than his shooting/kick-passing ability somewhere where the spoiling tactics work!

GAA can be a simple game lads. Why are playing someone who ticks a lot of the boxes in defensive attributes column, yet hardly scores well on his offensive column in our forwards.... Thats the team down 2-4 pts already because we know he won't contribute much in that regard. Play Alan Dillon twelve... Thats his position -  not 11.

Trev Howley should be benched for Sligo and made compete for no. 2/4 jersey. Chris Barrett will mark McGee and Higgins to pick up David Kelly ( 2 fastest players in Connacht?!) McLoughlin has to start primarily because he was the only player who showed any composure in Croker. He has a footballing brain. D Vaughan/ P Gardiner... I like Vaughan but i also think Gardiner has been very under-rared for Mayo in his career. He does a similar job to Davy Harte but without the recognition. I think Gardiner will start because of his experience.

I do like Tom Cunniffe. He was pace to burn and that has to be utilized. Don't know where exactly is the best position for him -  maybe full back against the quicker full-forwards?

Clarke should be Mayo's captain by the way...JOM has a shocking record of picking captains in Mayo. Kev O'neill when not guaranteed starter, McGarrity (only back from serious illness and didn't need that) and Trev ( injury-prone and now not a guaranteed starter). Clarke is a good talker on the pitch, doesn't bullshit the press, guaranteed his place for years to come and has a great attitude. He has been very consistent for Mayo. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on May 04, 2010, 05:59:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 03, 2010, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 02, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
QuoteMuch happier to be at our homebase here where we can bitch amongst ourselves, not have supporters of other teams tell us how crap we are (despite the fact that we get results that they could only dream of) and have ourselves written up as delusional Sam seekers who do nothing but tell the country that we are going to win the All Ireland this year and every year. Lazy analysis taken from lazy journalists.

Is that not a cheap shot? I can only speak for myself but I don't think I have ever said anything that I didn't feel to be true and I've tried top rationalize my opinions and defend them reasonably. I think most other non-Mayo posters did the same. It isn't a good sign of a county if you feel the need to block out the rest of the world and dismiss the views of others as those of jealous outsiders. There are real problems in Mayo football and you are not producing footballers of the necessary quality, hard questions need to be asked and though I have a lot of respect for the majority of the Mayo lads who post here if ye'd prefer to lock yourselves away behind your boarders and blame manager after manager then you might find the search for Sam go on for much longer.

I'm not suggesting, by the way, that posters like myself have the answer or anything but the opinions of those coming at the problem from a different perspective can often highlight issues that people closer to the coalface fail to see sometimes.

I and I m sure a lot of Mayo posters would agree that we are off the pace as regards winning an AI any time soon. What bothers me though is when we are unhappy with a certain display or selections, outsiders tell us we re lucky to have such a fine manager and he s doing quite well with the limitations at his disposal.
Some of us have been asking the hard questions. For a long time.
Most counties are not producing the necessary quality. Cork happen to have arrived in a good place again after 20 years. Success is largely down to several quality players emerging around the same time. It s happened in places like Tyrone and Armagh. It happens in Kerry more often than anywhere else. It happened in Donegal and Derry too. They would have had the formula if there was a formula as well. Another Downey, Twohill, Brolly off the production line please there. Did nt happen for them again.
Sure we blame managers. They re the guys flyin the plane and they've gone down in The Hudson a few times. From Johnno mark1 through Maughan, Holmes and Johnno again there have been some desperate calls. One AI at least, was left behind by management. They are entitled to our wrath.
  Johnno's treatment of the senior players since his return has not been pleasant and has n t been profitable either. He s broken eggs but failed to make an omlette. And on our latest crash and burn, it should be remembered that Johnno was playing with his own deck of cards. That s what he put together. He must be judged on that.
His supporters will argue that he was going with the best available. But that is not the case. As I ve said before we re going around in circles on this one.
The fact that our search for Sam has gone on so long and may go on as long again is nothing to do with us posters. The blazers that are running the show dont listen to anybody. I m not sure Sam is even on their agenda. They re all too busy minding their own little fiefdoms and making sure nobody is put in charge of a team that will break any moulds. We re a conservative county run by conservative men. And judging by attendances at games this year the punter in Mayo has got the message and moved on. They ve been told to mind their own business and they have.

Nobody is saying he is faultless and I appreciate that most of you don't expect to win an AI but he did guide you to a league final when many were predicting relegation and you are reigning Connacht champions. Therefore I think it is fair to say the man hasn't done too badly. Obviously he can't just wash his hands of certain performances but I feel that many of you are blaming him and leaving the players off scot free.

You also question whether certain counties have produced quality players since their AI successes, well I think they have, just not in the numbers required. Derry for example have produced the two Bradley's, Sean Marty and James Kielt and they are doing that without much help from Derry city and a sizeable Protestant population. Mayo produce loads of decent IC footballers but very few exceptional ones, at least in the past 20-30 years and that is shocking for a county with your population and passion for football.

I'm not saying JOM is the man to lead Mayo but I do feel that Mayo may need to look at their whole system because their is no reason why Kerry should regularly produce quality players and Mayo should not.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 04, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
There are at least quality players in this years minors. Wouldn't put my house on them going to another - or rather being brought to another level. I believe the clubs and the colleges are doing their job at underage but it's when they are handed on that the problems start. Like I ve said already Aidan O Sé just has a jersey hung on him it appears. I ve a feeling that if likes of Jack O Connor had got a hold of Parsons a few years ago he d be well ahead of where he is now. I d wonder too what would have become of Pierce Hanley. Would he have gone backwards too. More than likely imo. I d argue that we produce plenty of quality, its the processing that is the problem.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 04, 2010, 09:19:14 PM
Zulu, O'Mahony brought us to a league final. And we got absolutely tanked. I cannot find any solace from that. And that is a valid point about the underage structure in the county that moysider stated.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 04, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
if mayo are failing to bring players on the about 18 other counties are failing desperately .
Losing national final feels and as your weakness' are exposed to the country But id take that any day than quietly Exiting competitions early on with nary a whimper .
Living in offaly i can see what was once a proud county losing faith and  hope in the senior team and indeed for much ot the county interest. that is repeat in poorly performing counties all over the country.
It is probably one of the few benefits of a Celebrity manager that he can revive the hope expectation in a team even for a little while but encourages all the best players to keep turning out.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:05:03 PM
QuoteTrev Mort for 6. We all know he will start.
He can't play in forwards so why don't we put the player who is lauded for his "spoiling" tactics rather than his shooting/kick-passing ability somewhere where the spoiling tactics work!

GAA can be a simple game lads. Why are playing someone who ticks a lot of the boxes in defensive attributes column, yet hardly scores well on his offensive column in our forwards.... Thats the team down 2-4 pts already because we know he won't contribute much in that regard. Play Alan Dillon twelve... Thats his position -  not 11.

Trev Howley should be benched for Sligo and made compete for no. 2/4 jersey. Chris Barrett will mark McGee and Higgins to pick up David Kelly ( 2 fastest players in Connacht?!) McLoughlin has to start primarily because he was the only player who showed any composure in Croker. He has a footballing brain. D Vaughan/ P Gardiner... I like Vaughan but i also think Gardiner has been very under-rared for Mayo in his career. He does a similar job to Davy Harte but without the recognition. I think Gardiner will start because of his experience.

I do like Tom Cunniffe. He was pace to burn and that has to be utilized. Don't know where exactly is the best position for him -  maybe full back against the quicker full-forwards?

Clarke should be Mayo's captain by the way...JOM has a shocking record of picking captains in Mayo. Kev O'neill when not guaranteed starter, McGarrity (only back from serious illness and didn't need that) and Trev ( injury-prone and now not a guaranteed starter). Clarke is a good talker on the pitch, doesn't bullshit the press, guaranteed his place for years to come and has a great attitude. He has been very consistent for Mayo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Lads did the likes of Ken Mortimer, Noel Connelly, James Horan, Kevin Cahill retire too soon?  Was just thinking about the teams of 96, 97 and then the team of 2004 and there wasn't a huge overlap.. 7-8 year difference but you see Dara O'Se winning his first in 97 and his last in 09 - a 12 year gap and he had a huge amount of miles on the clock. Maybe i'm wrong but even the 2001 NFL winning team was very different in a very short space of time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on May 04, 2010, 11:16:36 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Lads did the likes of Ken Mortimer, Noel Connelly, James Horan, Kevin Cahill retire too soon?  Was just thinking about the teams of 96, 97 and then the team of 2004 and there wasn't a huge overlap.. 7-8 year difference but you see Dara O'Se winning his first in 97 and his last in 09 - a 12 year gap and he had a huge amount of miles on the clock. Maybe i'm wrong but even the 2001 NFL winning team was very different in a very short space of time.

Whatever about retiring too young, those four are all very good examples of players who maybe we didn't get the most out of, for whatever reason. Kenneth Mortimer went from being an All Star corner back in 96 and 97 to centre-half forward in 1999, can anyone explain why this happened?
Connelly retired around 2002 which meant we got six years out of him. Didn't play underage with the county and it was to Maughan's credit that he spotted what he had to offer. His leadership qualities were immense. Why was he not in before 1996? He was 24 then IIRC.
Horan ad so much ability but I don't know if he played county past 2000 when he was sent off in Sligo. Didn't play much club football after that either. He arrived on the scene late - credit to Maughan again - and left a bit early.
Cahill also retired very early from Mayo. And we haven't replaced him yet.
But what links all four is 96 and 97. We can't overstate the effect that had on them. And, without perhaps themselves knowing it, the effect it had on the careers of Brady, Heaney and Nallen. An awful pity.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:26:17 PM
true, losing 2 winnable `AI's in 2 years can't have been good for them... Just picked out them four... Prob another few aswell,
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 04, 2010, 11:57:25 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Lads did the likes of Ken Mortimer, Noel Connelly, James Horan, Kevin Cahill retire too soon?  Was just thinking about the teams of 96, 97 and then the team of 2004 and there wasn't a huge overlap.. 7-8 year difference but you see Dara O'Se winning his first in 97 and his last in 09 - a 12 year gap and he had a huge amount of miles on the clock. Maybe i'm wrong but even the 2001 NFL winning team was very different in a very short space of time.

You've opened a serious one here. How about Joe McGrath? An All Star that shined too briefly at a time when Mayo were a mess. His brother Des could play too. Michael Collins - played as a teenager in the 70 s, disappeared for his best years and reappeared in his thirties in 88/89. One of the best players I ve ever seen in Mayo. Then there was Gary Ruane. Maughan would probably have got over the line if he played him, and of course Peter Butler, in 96/97. Gary played in 95 but had to wait until Holmes was in charge to play again. Maughan was glad of him in his second term but crucially a lot his best years were spent on the bench. Brian Heffernan was another who could have made the crucial difference in 97 but wasn't trusted. This shit is not a recent phenomena either. By recent I mean last 25 years. Whatever you might think about Billy Fitz as a commentator he was a hell of a forward. Yet his appearances for the county were as rare as hen s teeth.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 05, 2010, 01:39:40 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 04, 2010, 11:57:25 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Lads did the likes of Ken Mortimer, Noel Connelly, James Horan, Kevin Cahill retire too soon?  Was just thinking about the teams of 96, 97 and then the team of 2004 and there wasn't a huge overlap.. 7-8 year difference but you see Dara O'Se winning his first in 97 and his last in 09 - a 12 year gap and he had a huge amount of miles on the clock. Maybe i'm wrong but even the 2001 NFL winning team was very different in a very short space of time.

You've opened a serious one here. How about Joe McGrath? An All Star that shined too briefly at a time when Mayo were a mess. His brother Des could play too. Michael Collins - played as a teenager in the 70 s, disappeared for his best years and reappeared in his thirties in 88/89. One of the best players I ve ever seen in Mayo. Then there was Gary Ruane. Maughan would probably have got over the line if he played him, and of course Peter Butler, in 96/97. Gary played in 95 but had to wait until Holmes was in charge to play again. Maughan was glad of him in his second term but crucially a lot his best years were spent on the bench. Brian Heffernan was another who could have made the crucial difference in 97 but wasn't trusted. This shit is not a recent phenomena either. By recent I mean last 25 years. Whatever you might think about Billy Fitz as a commentator he was a hell of a forward. Yet his appearances for the county were as rare as hen s teeth.
did des Mcgrath not tog out for mayo when he was nearly 40 before going on to a distinguished oveer 40's career?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on May 05, 2010, 05:44:38 PM
This announced in todays press......

Mayo Senior footballers planned training trip to Portugal has been postponed, because of GAA regulations.

The beaten Division 1 National Football league finalists were due to fly out to Portugal for a six-day training camp this Sunday, but will not do so as under GAA rules players must be released to their clubs.

GAA rules state that such trips are only allowed if they take place within 13-days before a provincial Championship game or 20 days prior to an All-Ireland tie, as players are only fully released to county squads during this period.

Mayo begin the defence of their Connacht SFC title against Sligo on Saturday, June 5 at Markievicz Park.

However the trip may go ahead later this Summer, pending Mayo's Championship involvement.

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/eyojgbeyojql/#ixzz0n4ebbOxz
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 05, 2010, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 05, 2010, 01:39:40 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 04, 2010, 11:57:25 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 04, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Lads did the likes of Ken Mortimer, Noel Connelly, James Horan, Kevin Cahill retire too soon?  Was just thinking about the teams of 96, 97 and then the team of 2004 and there wasn't a huge overlap.. 7-8 year difference but you see Dara O'Se winning his first in 97 and his last in 09 - a 12 year gap and he had a huge amount of miles on the clock. Maybe i'm wrong but even the 2001 NFL winning team was very different in a very short space of time.

Yeah. Would have played well into his 30s anyway and I remember him part of the over 40s as well.

You've opened a serious one here. How about Joe McGrath? An All Star that shined too briefly at a time when Mayo were a mess. His brother Des could play too. Michael Collins - played as a teenager in the 70 s, disappeared for his best years and reappeared in his thirties in 88/89. One of the best players I ve ever seen in Mayo. Then there was Gary Ruane. Maughan would probably have got over the line if he played him, and of course Peter Butler, in 96/97. Gary played in 95 but had to wait until Holmes was in charge to play again. Maughan was glad of him in his second term but crucially a lot his best years were spent on the bench. Brian Heffernan was another who could have made the crucial difference in 97 but wasn't trusted. This shit is not a recent phenomena either. By recent I mean last 25 years. Whatever you might think about Billy Fitz as a commentator he was a hell of a forward. Yet his appearances for the county were as rare as hen s teeth.
did des Mcgrath not tog out for mayo when he was nearly 40 before going on to a distinguished oveer 40's career?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 07, 2010, 08:52:56 AM
Looks like Maughan is't impressed by JOMs training methods or schedule and isn't shy about saying so!
This from his Mayo Advertiser column:

QuoteMayo, on the other hand, appear to have plenty of work to do in the physical stakes. They have been presented by management with a schedule of training and matches over the next five weeks that practically leaves me breathless. It is punishing to say the least, and I would question if it will have the team fresh and hungry for championship. Those who are lucky enough to be included in the championship panel for the summer ahead can look forward to games against Donegal, Cavan, Cork, Westmeath, and Dublin before they play Sligo. When you throw in club games and a few other collective training sessions in Castlebar, it sounds like the team is being punished for the below par performance against Cork.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 07, 2010, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 07, 2010, 08:52:56 AM
Looks like Maughan is't impressed by JOMs training methods or schedule and isn't shy about saying so!
This from his Mayo Advertiser column:

QuoteMayo, on the other hand, appear to have plenty of work to do in the physical stakes. They have been presented by management with a schedule of training and matches over the next five weeks that practically leaves me breathless. It is punishing to say the least, and I would question if it will have the team fresh and hungry for championship. Those who are lucky enough to be included in the championship panel for the summer ahead can look forward to games against Donegal, Cavan, Cork, Westmeath, and Dublin before they play Sligo. When you throw in club games and a few other collective training sessions in Castlebar, it sounds like the team is being punished for the below par performance against Cork.

Have you a link to that article?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: westmayo on May 07, 2010, 11:50:29 AM
QuoteLooks like Maughan is't impressed by JOMs training methods or schedule and isn't shy about saying so!
This from his Mayo Advertiser column:

Quote
Mayo, on the other hand, appear to have plenty of work to do in the physical stakes. They have been presented by management with a schedule of training and matches over the next five weeks that practically leaves me breathless. It is punishing to say the least, and I would question if it will have the team fresh and hungry for championship. Those who are lucky enough to be included in the championship panel for the summer ahead can look forward to games against Donegal, Cavan, Cork, Westmeath, and Dublin before they play Sligo. When you throw in club games and a few other collective training sessions in Castlebar, it sounds like the team is being punished for the below par performance against Cork.

Have you a link to that article?

http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/25868 (http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/25868)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 08, 2010, 02:36:46 PM
There's a report on the challenge game v Donegal in today's Examiner.
Interesting team lined out - Howley in corner back, Barrett on the wing with Vaughan at CHB, BJP at CHF and Barry Moran scoring 1-4 from corner forward.
A decent win, but can't read too much into it. Donegal were 6 points up shortly after half-time, so was it a case of them easing off, or us stepping it up, or both??
Don't suppose any of the posters here made the journey up?

Quote
Moran leads way for Mayo
By Alan Foley
Saturday, May 08, 2010

Mayo 1-12 Donegal 1-10
MAYO came good in the second half to produce a fine warm-up win ahead of the championship when they defeated Donegal in an inter-county challenge at Glenfin last night.
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Barry Moran was the driving force for the Connacht champions as he registered a goal and four points from play. The most pleasing thing for John O'Mahony was the impact made by a number of his fringe players, while Billy Joe Padden also returned to the set-up.

Meanwhile, Donegal started with a side that mightn't be too dissimilar from the one that will take to the field when Down come to Ballybofey in May's last Sunday.

The home team raced into what appeared to be a commanding lead and two minutes after the interval were 1-7 to 0-4 up, with substitute Colm McFadden scoring the opening goal of the game from close in.

However, Mayo refused to wilt and that's something that will stand them in good stead ahead of their trip to Sligo. Corner-forward Moran got the turnaround in full swing when he netted on 47 minutes and Conor Mortimer was tellingly introduced from the bench.

Donegal scorers: Colm McFadden (1-3, 2f), Michael Murphy (0-3, 1f), Christy Toye (0-3), Rory Kavanagh (0-1).

Mayo scorers: Barry Moran (1-4), Conor Mortimer (0-2, 1f) , Alan

Freeman (0-2), Aidan Kilcoyne, Billy Joe Padden, Chris Barrett, N Douglas (0-1 each)

DONEGAL: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, K Lacey; B Dunnion, B Monaghan, C Greene; K Cassidy, R Kavanagh, F McNulty, C Toye, M McElhinney; D Walsh, M Murphy, C Dunne. Subs: C McFadden, E McGee, J Keaney, S Griffin.

MAYO: K O'Malley; L O'Malley, G Cafferkey, T Howley; C Barrett, D

Vaughan, S Nally; R McGarrity, P Harte; A Moran, BJ Padden, M Ronaldson; A Kilcoyne, A Freeman, B Moran. Subs: C Mortimer, N Douglas, P Gardiner, K McLaughlin, K Conroy, A Dillion.

Referee: F Flynn (Leitim)


Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/moran-leads-way-for-mayo-119236.html#ixzz0nLRQbBw6
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
From Hoganstand.

Mayo county board officials will find out next week if the controversy surrounding the new floodlights at McHale Park has finally been resolved.

Castlebar Town Council have asked An Bord Pleanála whether planning permission was required to move the lights at the redeveloped Castlebar venue, and a decision is expected on or before next Thursday, May 20.



A spokesman for the planning board said that Castlebar Town Council 'have asked An Bord Pleanála for its views' on whether the repositioning of floodlights is 'exempt' from planning permission.

The fate of the controversial broadcasting tower, which has been the subject of much complaint from the McHale Road Residents' Association, is not due to be decided until on or before June 11. But the spokesman said that it's likely that both issues - the Council's referral over the lights and the residents' substantive appeal on matters including the tower - will be dealt with 'by the same people at the same sitting'.

Mayo will host Galway at McHale Park in the Connacht SFC on June 27 if they overcome Sligo in the meantime and county chairman James Waldron insists there will be no problem with staging the fixture regardless of the outcome of the appeal.

"The Connacht semi-final was there last year, and we had only 4,000 seats in the stand," Waldron said in the Mayo News.

"So it won't affect the fixture, assuming the match is there. I can see maybe double shifts [being] used to get it ready if that's what's required."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: GBXII on May 11, 2010, 10:48:26 PM
Anyone reading the Mayo News lately? Sean Rice is doing a best Mayo football 15 since 1960 and just thought it was interesting to note that he picked Liam McHale at 11 ahead of C McDonald. Did I hear somewhere before that Rice has some grudge against McDonald? Link here: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9748:liam-mchale-on-best-mayo-team-since-1960&catid=26&Itemid=54
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 12, 2010, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: GBXII on May 11, 2010, 10:48:26 PM
Anyone reading the Mayo News lately? Sean Rice is doing a best Mayo football 15 since 1960 and just thought it was interesting to note that he picked Liam McHale at 11 ahead of C McDonald. Did I hear somewhere before that Rice has some grudge against McDonald? Link here: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9748:liam-mchale-on-best-mayo-team-since-1960&catid=26&Itemid=54

Such bullshit not having McDonald at CF... there is no excuses for that, he must have some chip on his shoulder.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on May 12, 2010, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 12, 2010, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: GBXII on May 11, 2010, 10:48:26 PM
Anyone reading the Mayo News lately? Sean Rice is doing a best Mayo football 15 since 1960 and just thought it was interesting to note that he picked Liam McHale at 11 ahead of C McDonald. Did I hear somewhere before that Rice has some grudge against McDonald? Link here: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9748:liam-mchale-on-best-mayo-team-since-1960&catid=26&Itemid=54

Such bullshit not having McDonald at CF... there is no excuses for that, he must have some chip on his shoulder.

agree with you there AS , What did maughan call the press again ?  ;) As regards paying heed to rice i don't and i don't know many that do, where is he from btw ? i doubt Mc D will be too bothered whether he gets his approval or not . Did Liam Mc play many games for mayo at chf ? Having said that it would be hard enough job to pick the team might have a go at it later myself
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2010, 09:45:00 PM
From hoganstand.

QuoteMayo GAA secretary Sean Feeney fully backs Croke Park's decision to block the Connacht side's training camp in Portugal last week.

The move caused a lot of discontent in the Mayo camp and indeed further afield as it was felt that blocking their six-day training camp was fruitless.



However, Feeney believes that GAA officials were right to enforce the ban as the rules state that a county cannot travel immediately after the league final and up to 13 days before the start of the championship.

The reason for this is to allow players return to their clubs at a time when many county championships are starting and Feeney backed the decision, despite the hassle caused to the Mayo County Board.

"The whole trust of the rule is to prevent teams from holding up club fixtures. As soon as the national league was over teams were going to Faro, La Manga, they were going everywhere and it was interfering with club fixtures, that's why it was brought in and rightly so," said Feeney.

"You're not even allowed a weekend away in that period, for example if Mayo wanted to go away for Thursday, Friday and Saturday."




Also.

QuoteMayo forward Aidan O'Shea believes the bookies were right to install Galway as favourites for this year's Connacht championship.

O'Shea is one of the most promising forwards in the county and has been in excellent form since breaking into the side last year, earning rave reviews in the county jersey.



Mayo face Sligo in the opening round next month and then meet Galway in the Connacht semi final and O'Shea feels that they have the much harder route to the final.

"For us to win the Connacht Championship this year it's the harder route of playing Sligo, Galway and more than likely Roscommon," O'Shea said.

"Galway obviously had a tough game against New York which people didn't really expect to happen, but really they only have to win one game two games to win the Connacht title this year so the bookies probably got it right."
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Terry Tate on May 16, 2010, 01:10:12 PM
For anyone that's interested, here's a bit of analysis from the Mayo Cavan Match in Belmullet. Mayo won by 11 points to 4. First of all fair play to all involved in building the new football grounds, very impressive and a massive club house.

To the game itself, there were a couple of factors affecting the play so my judgment of players may not reflect where they are at. It's hard to believe it's the middle of May. It was cold, wet and very breezy. Conditions did improve for the second half though.  Cavan were very lazy and only a number of players showed any real interest. So there wasn't much intensity to the game. Mayo Lined out as follows.

David Clarke, Trevor Howley, Ger Cafferkey, Chris Barrett, Peadar Gardiner, Tom Cunniffe, Kevin Mcloughlin, Tom Parsons, Seamus O'Se, Pat Harte Billy Joe Padden, Alan Dillon, Conor Mortimer (3?), Aidan O'Se (1), Enda Varley (2)

There were so many subs used I can't remember who came on for who, but these were the subs that came on.

Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Kieran Conroy, Donal Vaughan, Ronan Mcgarrity, Aidan Kilcoyne (1), Barry Moran (1), Alan Freeman, Neil Douglas, Shane Nally, Andy Moran (1) Mark Ronaldson (2?)

Not going to rate all the players but best for Mayo were Chris Barrett, Trevor Howley, Tom Parsons, Alan Dillon and Enda Varley. No one really stood out to be honest probably because of the conditions and the lack of interest shown by Cavan. Kilcoyne struck a lovely 45 that was the only score of note. Billy Joe and Alan swapped positions several times but Alan played better on the wing. Tom Parsons played very deep for most of game and Barry Moran got a nice point. He won a high ball in and popped it over the bar from about 20 metres out. He seems to have changed his kicking style. I always had the opinion that he had a very uncomfortable kicking technique but this one was a proper kick!

Mayo are playing Dublin in Hollymount next Friday evening at 7:30
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
Terry Tate, Parsons got injured last night did he? He didn't line out today for Charlestown in today's game. A Charlestown person told me he got injured. Kilcoyne also went off injured in today's game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Terry Tate on May 16, 2010, 05:20:55 PM
I was watching him walking off yesterday and he didnt look to happy. I thought it was because he was playing well and wasnt to pleased to be withdrawn but he must have been injured alright. There was no incident around it so I doubt it is to serious.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 17, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
Terry Tate, Parsons got injured last night did he? He didn't line out today for Charlestown in today's game. A Charlestown person told me he got injured. Kilcoyne also went off injured in today's game.
Heard Kilcoyne has a knee problem and could be a reoccurrance of an injury he had some time ago and which could rule him out a while. Did you hear anything since?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2010, 08:35:54 PM
It is a knee problem alright. Not sure what though, I heard ligaments mentioned.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on May 18, 2010, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 17, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
Terry Tate, Parsons got injured last night did he? He didn't line out today for Charlestown in today's game. A Charlestown person told me he got injured. Kilcoyne also went off injured in today's game.
Heard Kilcoyne has a knee problem and could be a reoccurrance of an injury he had some time ago and which could rule him out a while. Did you hear anything since?

Thats terrible news whe he is just coming back from injury.
I hope its not too serious
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on May 18, 2010, 09:59:13 AM
i suppose the only positive would be that it's at this time of the year and he'll have time to recover (Fingers crossed). No doubt we were starting to see the finished product of Aidan Kilcoyne last year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 18, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 18, 2010, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 17, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
Terry Tate, Parsons got injured last night did he? He didn't line out today for Charlestown in today's game. A Charlestown person told me he got injured. Kilcoyne also went off injured in today's game.
Heard Kilcoyne has a knee problem and could be a reoccurrance of an injury he had some time ago and which could rule him out a while. Did you hear anything since?



Thats terrible news whe he is just coming back from injury.
I hope its not too serious

Local media not making much of it. Word out there is that it is a five week lay-off. Dillon s hamstring is not something that will clear up overnight either.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on May 26, 2010, 12:51:06 AM
I heard on the radio that Mayo were playing Kildare in a challenge.  Anybody hear a report on that?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 26, 2010, 02:40:00 AM
Quote from: western exile on May 26, 2010, 12:51:06 AM
I heard on the radio that Mayo were playing Kildare in a challenge.  Anybody hear a report on that?
i heard when it was too late that it was on tonight tuesday behind closed doors. possibly near carton house as i believe thats where mayo have been staying this week
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on May 26, 2010, 03:08:23 AM
Quote from: western exile on May 26, 2010, 12:51:06 AM
I heard on the radio that Mayo were playing Kildare in a challenge.  Anybody hear a report on that?

All hush hush on that front. The bould WJ alludes to it, but even he hasnt heard anything from it (or if he has, he isnt telling!)

http://mayogaablog.com/?p=5291 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=5291)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on May 26, 2010, 10:10:56 AM
Kildare won by a point, mayo gave all the panel a run
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on May 27, 2010, 12:45:41 AM
6:30 on a rural pitch in meath apparently so souls broke the code and found out where. MAyo new have a report on it. hope its all part of J Om's cunning plan . they were looking too  good in the challenges so far
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Halfquarter on May 28, 2010, 10:09:40 AM

This article in the Indo to-day about Mayo football,does not see to have a beginning ,middle or end .

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cora-just-the-girl-to-cure-mayo-ills-2198087.html
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2010, 03:29:01 PM
True, maybe he could give Kevin O'Neill a call too.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on May 28, 2010, 06:42:03 PM
I see whatever coward wrote it didn't have the balls to put their name to it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ross4life on May 28, 2010, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on May 28, 2010, 10:09:40 AM

This article in the Indo to-day about Mayo football,does not see to have a beginning ,middle or end .

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cora-just-the-girl-to-cure-mayo-ills-2198087.html

That's just taking the piss! i bet it was a Kerry man that wrote that
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 31, 2010, 08:41:17 AM
I see Trevor Mortimer did another interview with the Irish Mail on Sunday. f**king hell Trevor, no more interviews please, let your football do the talking anymore, please.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joedenilson on June 01, 2010, 11:02:22 AM
http://www.mayogaa.com/
New?
Its not great, and takes ages to load.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 01, 2010, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: joedenilson on June 01, 2010, 11:02:22 AM
http://www.mayogaa.com/
New?
Its not great, and takes ages to load.

It takes an age to load, even more frustrating than the last site.
I cant believe the same people got that contract
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Bod Mor on June 07, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
Mayo team v Qualifier.

Drastic changes have to be made, how about this starting 15:

Clarke
Barrett
Cafferkey
Higgins
McLoughlin
Vaughan
Gardiner
Harte
S O'Se
Ronaldson
Dillon
A Moran
Kilcoyne
B Moran
Freeman

In no mood to give out about change of management this morning, what do other people think?
McGarrity, Parsons, Cuniffe, 2 X Morts need to be dropped and take a good look at themselves.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on June 07, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Cunniffe might possibly be forgiven as he has played very little football but I would want him to play every minute of every club game from now until we are knocked out. If he doesn't improve its time for someone new such as Keith Higgins or maybe Liam O'Malley in his club/U-21 position.

When Barrett didn't start I was disappointed to see us weakening two lines to replace him. Vaughan is a very good half back and barely a decent corner back. We need him playing half back. McLoughlin obviously has to play 7.

Midfield has been a complete disaster for two consecutive games now with no sign of any alternatives emerging. We finished on Saturday with Moran and Conroy and if someone told me that before the game I'd have stayed at home. If Barry Moran was fully fit surely he would have started in the full forward line, if not he shouldn't have come on. We very badly need at least one grafter in the middle, maybe Seamus O'Shea will grow into the role but he needs a run of games there. Maybe the 2006 U-21 pairing of Moran and O'Shea?

Our half forward line was awful against Cork and yet the best of them was the only one not to start on Saturday (due to injury). Dillon will return and should improve things but we might need two new faces with him. Moran wins a lot of ball but there seems to be very little end product.

Up front Freeman was a big success and the management deserve some credit forgiving him his chance. He will obviously stay. Varley was poor, he might improve but shouldn't start again in this Championship without a couple of good appearances as sub behind him.

Tactically if you look at how we played against Sligo, who played with a sweeper in the 1st half, we had no idea how to open them up. Bar the odd good ball into Freeman and the even odder one to Conor we were going nowhere. Looking at our midfielders, half backs and half forwards who do we have who can deliver good ball? If you can't beat that system with accurate ball to the FF line you need half forwards & midfielders who can score from over 40 metres. We don't have anyone that can do that.

The best pass of the game from a Mayo point of view came from BJP which resulted in a point for Freeman. BJP might have to start somewhere in the half forwards, but he is hardly one for the future. We need Kilcoyne back badly and if there a few more Alan Freemans out there we should bring them straight in.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: diehard on June 07, 2010, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 07, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
Mayo team v Qualifier.

Drastic changes have to be made, how about this starting 15:

Clarke
Barrett
Cafferkey
Higgins
McLoughlin
Vaughan
Gardiner
Harte
S O'Se
Ronaldson
Dillon
A Moran
Kilcoyne
B Moran
Freeman

In no mood to give out about change of management this morning, what do other people think?
McGarrity, Parsons, Cuniffe, 2 X Morts need to be dropped and take a good look at themselves.
I cannot disagree too much.  I would put Howley at corner back and Higgins out at half back.  I would have Aidan Higgins in the panel also.  I'm not sure about Barry Moran.  I have not seen him play IC football for a very long time.
Even at that where are the leaders?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highorlow on June 08, 2010, 03:34:37 PM
QuoteWe very badly need at least one grafter in the middle, maybe Seamus O'Shea will grow into the role but he needs a run of games there. Maybe the 2006 U-21 pairing of Moran and O'Shea?

Is Pat Harte in the Panel?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on June 08, 2010, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 08, 2010, 03:34:37 PM
QuoteWe very badly need at least one grafter in the middle, maybe Seamus O'Shea will grow into the role but he needs a run of games there. Maybe the 2006 U-21 pairing of Moran and O'Shea?

Is Pat Harte in the Panel?

Think he is injured. Certain worth a place on the panel and maybe on the team but only if fully fit.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on June 08, 2010, 09:02:48 PM
Would I be correct in saying that this year is the first time Mayo are in the 1st round of the qualifiers?  i.e. the first time they failed to make the provincial semi-final since qualifiers began in 2001?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 08, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: diehard on June 07, 2010, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 07, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
Mayo team v Qualifier.

Drastic changes have to be made, how about this starting 15:

Clarke
Barrett
Cafferkey
Higgins
McLoughlin
Vaughan
Gardiner
Harte
S O'Se
Ronaldson
Dillon
A Moran
Kilcoyne
B Moran
Freeman

In no mood to give out about change of management this morning, what do other people think?
McGarrity, Parsons, Cuniffe, 2 X Morts need to be dropped and take a good look at themselves.
I cannot disagree too much.  I would put Howley at corner back and Higgins out at half back.  I would have Aidan Higgins in the panel also.  I'm not sure about Barry Moran.  I have not seen him play IC football for a very long time.
Even at that where are the leaders?

I agree changes need to be made but the biggest change wont be made. The thing is will changes change the state of mind of this lot? I always believed that our only hope with Johnno is that he might stumble on a good team by chance. Like Alan Freeman came up trumps the last evening. He needs to select 6 or 7 Alan Freemans the next day. For instance he is as well to select Alan Feeney at 6 the next day and let him belt away. Who knows. He might be man of the match. With this Mayo team it seems nobody knows nothing as a great Hollywood man once said about what formula worked in cinema. Although I have been critical of management and rightly so you d have to wonder about the cop of some of these players and their grasp on things even after all they ve been through down the years. Just a few days before the Sligo game one of the players said to me that he hoped Sligo gave them a good test - that an easy win would do them no good. I let it go but thought it strange at the time. To me it seemed he was expecting to win the game anyway. If even a handful were in that state of mind they could nt readjust during the game. FFS in championship you bury a team when you can and worry about later, later.Cork and Kerry expect to beat us but go out and give us a good hiding and talk about lack of a test after. That ' needing a hard game'  is alright for pundits. Players should be going out to win as clinically as they can, not be second guessing how good the opposition is. I wonder if we ever cop on.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on June 09, 2010, 01:03:58 AM
Those who praise management for 'unearthing' Alan Freeman ought to remember that the very same management nearly ruined him earlier this year. The weekend of the Dublin game he had a stomach bug. Passed it but the feeling was he was far from 100%. To add to the pressure of his first senior start, he was put on frees. He had a mare. But he was left on the frees, even when an accomplished freetaker in Neil Douglas, who took the frees for the same U-21 team Freeman was on, was on the field. Management allowed him to suffer and suffer.

In a perverse way it was a good thing because it put Freeman well down the pecking order for the rest of the league and he wasn't ruined. Seamus O'Shea and Enda Varley had excellent leagues yet management prety much informed them in the run u to the Sligo game that they weren't in their first XV. That other players who featured less and did very little to prove themselves THIS YEAR were ahead of them in the pecking order. O'Shea and Varley both made the team in the end but with nothing in the way of any ringing endorsement from management. If Barry Moran and Alan Dillon were fit, neither O'Shea nor Varley would have started. Freeman, too, may have been in bother.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2010, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 08, 2010, 09:02:48 PM
Would I be correct in saying that this year is the first time Mayo are in the 1st round of the qualifiers?  i.e. the first time they failed to make the provincial semi-final since qualifiers began in 2001?

I think that's true yes. No wonder we're still in such a low ebb. Only the championship on next Sunday can lift spirits if Knockmore beat Ballina.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on June 09, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
Mayo News podcast is strong enough in terms of criticism of management and players.

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9990:audio-football-podcast-11-mayo-v-sligo-reviewed&catid=87:sport-football-podcast&Itemid=100166
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 09, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
Mayo News podcast is strong enough in terms of criticism of management and players.

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9990:audio-football-podcast-11-mayo-v-sligo-reviewed&catid=87:sport-football-podcast&Itemid=100166

The comments in the Podcast about Cunniffe is a bit rich after the big write up Mike Finnerty gave Cunniffe during the week.
Finnerty had an article about how great Cunniffe is and described his "natural ability" yet Cunniffe gets a lot of criticism from him in the Podcast.

Please, lets call a spade a spade for a second.

From the Podcast re Cunniffe
"A strong Stylish Footballer" [Finnerty] - Stylish?...
"A good under-age player" [Rice] - What? (Didnt make the Mitchles U15 & U16 team)
"I have no idea why he wasnt taken off" yet in the same breath "He is a fine stylish footballer" - Thats a typical oxymoran

Its wasnt his pace and fitness that let him down. In fact he was moving fine, he just hasnt the footballing ability for CB.
Maybe he could be used as a wing back with that kind of pace, and Vaughan could be suited to CB but that kind of talk from pundits is a little troubling.

And WTF was Rice saying that Ger Cafferkey had this outstanding game when he was the free man during the game marking NOBODY? He wasnt making half the penetrating runs he should have been making, but again he would have the experience or be used to that role. Should we have been using an extra defender with the wind was the question?

I dont think they went near hard enough on JOM in that Podcast regarding tactics.

But the local media have to take some responsibility of building players up instead of asking the serious questions of management as to is the likes of Cuniffe or BJP ready or even good enough?

Its Ok saying it afterwards but it wont stop the local media writing crazy things about Alan Freeman or the next player that comes along in Mayo.
I felt sorry for McGloughlin when Rice said what he did was a "disgrace" when he tried to take on some responsibility and have a shot.
If the forwards moved for him he wouldnt have to have taken the shot but in either case a disgrace is a bit strong.
And this is all after the big writeup that McGloughlin would have had after the Cork game.

Another example of the local media hype is when Galway Minors won the All Ireland hurling final last year; I scanned the local papers in Galway and you would barely find a column donated to their success. The same with the minors winning the football in 2007; hardly a mention.
Compare that with the local papers in Mayo?
There is magazines and pullouts and player profiles and promises of big futures... BEFORE the final.
Crazy...

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
Ah that's the media, it's the same in every county in fairness and that's not going to change.
What I'd take from that podcast is the fact that the lads haven't a notion what they're talking about. I mean they allude to all the problems, fair enough, but their suggested solutions were a load of rubbish. They point out all the players who should have been taken off (about 9 or 10 players probably) but then don't tell us who this great player is that they want to come on. Crap analysis in my opinion.

The problem is coming from above, as long as you believe that the players have ability, which I do. We don't have the talent that Kerry and Cork have but we are as good talent-wise as anyone else and we are especially more talented than Sligo. However, the players are just not anywhere near motivated enough or tactically prepared to be able to compete with any of the big teams or even improving ones like Sligo, as was proven at the weekend. Thus, the need for new management, ones who can inspire, lead and drive the players.

Finally, I think Cunniffe is a good CHB but wasn't great on Saturday, mainly in the 2nd half. I also think Parsons is a very good footballer, as are McLoughlin and Cafferkey. They were poorly prepared and motivated for the game and it seems they don't believe in the management anymore (if they ever did). The injuries we had; Dillon, Kilcoyne, B Moran, Harte were all very big loses too, as well as an out of form Aiden O'Shea (he should be the 1st forward on the team sheet) who is being poorly developed by the management, no more than the aforementioned young players. Can't see us doing anything in the qualifers but it will interesting to see the response...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on June 09, 2010, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 01:09:39 PM


The comments in the Podcast about Cunniffe is a bit rich after the big write up Mike Finnerty gave Cunniffe during the week.
Finnerty had an article about how great Cunniffe is and described his "natural ability" yet Cunniffe gets a lot of criticism from him in the Podcast.

Please, lets call a spade a spade for a second.

From the Podcast re Cunniffe
"A strong Stylish Footballer" [Finnerty] - Stylish?...
"A good under-age player" [Rice] - What? (Didnt make the Mitchles U15 & U16 team)
"I have no idea why he wasnt taken off" yet in the same breath "He is a fine stylish footballer" - Thats a typical oxymoran

Its wasnt his pace and fitness that let him down. In fact he was moving fine, he just hasnt the footballing ability for CB.
Maybe he could be used as a wing back with that kind of pace, and Vaughan could be suited to CB but that kind of talk from pundits is a little troubling.

And WTF was Rice saying that Ger Cafferkey had this outstanding game when he was the free man during the game marking NOBODY? He wasnt making half the penetrating runs he should have been making, but again he would have the experience or be used to that role. Should we have been using an extra defender with the wind was the question?



Cunniffe was a good underage player - he played in an All-Ireland Minor Final and six months later won an Under 21 All-Ireland, both times at centre-half back. I think the point is it is all good and well being a decent underage player, which Cunniffe was, but that doesn't mean it will carry to senior. That's the debate. Pace didn't let him down but lack of sharpness did. He shouldn't have been picked after not playing for 14 months. I'm not sure he's the solution at chb, in fact I don't think he is. But he's better than he showed on Saturday too. But I'd agree with you, Vaughan may be worth a go at centre-half backk. How it will go I don't know but try it. I think that was suggested by Rice.

Regarding Cafferkey, I'd agree with Rice. He was the free man for about ten minutes before Caff was moved onto McGee and Higgins went free. In the second half Sligo reverted to a three man full-forward line for the first fifteen minutes and Cafferkey was on Sweeney. Then, I think, he was on McGee and Higgins was again the spare man.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
Quote from: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
Ah that's the media, it's the same in every county in fairness and that's not going to change.
What I'd take from that podcast is the fact that the lads haven't a notion what they're talking about. I mean they allude to all the problems, fair enough, but their suggested solutions were a load of rubbish. They point out all the players who should have been taken off (about 9 or 10 players probably) but then don't tell us who this great player is that they want to come on. Crap analysis in my opinion.

Dont gat me wrong, I think the Podcasts in general have been good, an they are a breath of fresh air in the local media and its a great free service. In fairness the Mayo News is generally good, and it can be argued that you write whatever sells papers, but the fact remains that the local media have a greater responsibility to call it how it is, stop pressurising players with big write ups and cease with the hype.

Quote from: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
The problem is coming from above, as long as you believe that the players have ability, which I do. We don't have the talent that Kerry and Cork have but we are as good talent-wise as anyone else and we are especially more talented than Sligo. However, the players are just not anywhere near motivated enough or tactically prepared to be able to compete with any of the big teams or even improving ones like Sligo, as was proven at the weekend. Thus, the need for new management, ones who can inspire, lead and drive the players.
I dont agree with that general consensus as I think we have the players, its just that in Mayo if your not winning the sprints or long runs, or if your not a small nackey, wirery player we dont want you.
The likes of JOM, Noel Connelley etc all pick these athletes and try to make them footballers.

WHY DONT WE PICK THE FOOTBALLERS AND TRY AND GET THEM FIT INSTEAD??
The Kilcullens, Barry Regan, Ginger Tiernan etc - there are loads of examples of guys with natural ability, natural brawn and balls yet they slip through the net. We are nice footballers and will stay that way until attitudes change, from referees to the manager of the county team.

Quote from: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
Finally, I think Cunniffe is a good CHB but wasn't great on Saturday, mainly in the 2nd half. I also think Parsons is a very good footballer, as are McLoughlin and Cafferkey. They were poorly prepared and motivated for the game and it seems they don't believe in the management anymore (if they ever did). The injuries we had; Dillon, Kilcoyne, B Moran, Harte were all very big loses too, as well as an out of form Aiden O'Shea (he should be the 1st forward on the team sheet) who is being poorly developed by the management, no more than the aforementioned young players. Can't see us doing anything in the qualifers but it will interesting to see the response...
Ill agree on the last bit but ill never be convinced with Cunniffe at CHB.
Can you imagine what Declan O Sullivan/Pearse O'Neill or the likes could do to him?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 03:08:13 PM
Well of the current panel I think Cunniffe is the most suited to mark a player like O'Sullivan or O'Neill. I mean Howley was roasted by O'Connor in the league final and by Joe Sheridan against Meath last year. Pace will certainly help mark these top players and I think he could grow into the role.

With regards Marty Clarke, yes he was MotM v Mayo in 2005 but Cunniffe was also widely regarded as Mayos best player that day and was one of the few to continue playing until the end.

Anyway, no one has suggested a better CHB in my opinion and if the Kilcullens can't make the squad I would doubt that they have the potential to mark Declan O'Sullivan et al very well.

To be honest I think the best players are in the squad, other than maybe McDonald, Aidan Higgins and Aidan Campbell (who doesn't seem to have the head). And the reason the 1st 2 lads aren't in the panel is to do with O'Mahoney wanting to start afresh I would guess (not that I agree with that!).
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 03:08:13 PM
Well of the current panel I think Cunniffe is the most suited to mark a player like O'Sullivan or O'Neill. I mean Howley was roasted by O'Connor in the league final and by Joe Sheridan against Meath last year. Pace will certainly help mark these top players and I think he could grow into the role.

With regards Marty Clarke, yes he was MotM v Mayo in 2005 but Cunniffe was also widely regarded as Mayos best player that day and was one of the few to continue playing until the end.

Anyway, no one has suggested a better CHB in my opinion and if the Kilcullens can't make the squad I would doubt that they have the potential to mark Declan O'Sullivan et al very well.

To be honest I think the best players are in the squad, other than maybe McDonald, Aidan Higgins and Aidan Campbell (who doesn't seem to have the head). And the reason the 1st 2 lads aren't in the panel is to do with O'Mahoney wanting to start afresh I would guess (not that I agree with that!).

i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: GBXII on May 11, 2010, 10:48:26 PM
Anyone reading the Mayo News lately? Sean Rice is doing a best Mayo football 15 since 1960 and just thought it was interesting to note that he picked Liam McHale at 11 ahead of C McDonald. Did I hear somewhere before that Rice has some grudge against McDonald? Link here: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9748:liam-mchale-on-best-mayo-team-since-1960&catid=26&Itemid=54

i see that mr rice has grudingly picked mc danger at no 13 ??? shows you what he knows about football , you would swear from reading the article that he togged out once maybe twice for mayo . i mean does rice really think that he failed to fulfill his potential for mayo if so rice is a hard man pleased  ???



Sean Rice

BEFORE he stumbled badly last Saturday I had begun to question whether there had been a better Mayo corner forward than the man who has been holding down the position over the past eight years. Has there been anyone better than Conor Mortimer over the past fifty years?
Anyone but Mortimer, I hear. And selection for the No 13 jersey on my best team of the past fifty years looms inopportunely for the Shrule/Glencorrib man following a nightmare performance against Sligo.
But rummaging through the archives of memory for a genuine challenger to Mortimer leaves you wondering who is better entitled to selection.
There is no shortage of contenders, 109 in all. Among them is the resourceful Johnny Farragher whose name springs up for many positions, and I find it difficult to dismiss the sharp edge of commitment he brought to his game.
Around the same time Ballina's John Nealon prowled hungrily around the edge of the square. In his 45 appearances for Mayo he scored 14 goals and 16 points, but was noted more for his contribution to the scores of others.
Nealon's input was never fully appreciated until he was dropped for the Connacht final of 1969 . . . after scoring four goals in the semi-final against Leitrim. He was restored for the replay of the final against Galway and bagged 1-1.
Willie McGee, although more popular as a full-forward, lined out in the corner on a few occasions. So did Billy Fitzpatrick, Michael Fitzmaurice, Ray Dempsey, Brian Kilkelly,  Kevin O'Neill, Tom Byrne, P.J. King, Frank McDonald, M.J. Ruddy, Maurice Sheridan and a hundred others.
One of those was Ciaran McDonald, also of recent vintage. Controversial, moody and brilliant, he nevertheless failed to fulfill for Mayo the enormous potential his left foot had promised.
A variety of great scores was registered by that inspired foot, and from it all sorts of deliveries were executed . . . long, short, medium, sublime and preposterous. With uncanny accuracy he could thread a pass to a colleague half the field away. More than anyone he had the capacity to excel on any of the best teams in the country.
Unfortunately, speculation too often centred on his mood swings, not on how he might perform, but whether or not he would turn up. Frustrated managers went out of their way to appease his whims . . . but in the end the inscrutable Crossmolina man became entangled in the web of his own paradox. And Mayo never fully benefited from an enormous talent.
Mortimer's career has not been without some quirks. His flamboyance hasn't always endeared himself to managers or audiences. But through thick and thin he has held that corner position for nearly a decade . . . because no one can take it from him.
His performance on Saturday will have blighted the memory of better days . . . and it may be an indication that the gloss is at last beginning to fade. But Mortimer has a habit of bouncing back to confound his critics, and may do so again.
In the meantime, a man who is second only to Joe Corcoran as Mayo's leading scorer of all time with 14 goals and 329 points to his credit, cannot be readily discarded.
Inevitably, it boils down to a choice between him and McDonald for that corner position. And when you peel away all the peculiarities of the Crossmolina ace, all his frustrating behaviour, you are still left with a talent, however underused, that comes along only once or twice in a lifetime. For that reason he edges out Conor Mortimer.
To McDonald, thus, goes the No 13 jersey.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 09, 2010, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: GBXII on June 09, 2010, 03:08:13 PM
Well of the current panel I think Cunniffe is the most suited to mark a player like O'Sullivan or O'Neill. I mean Howley was roasted by O'Connor in the league final and by Joe Sheridan against Meath last year. Pace will certainly help mark these top players and I think he could grow into the role.

With regards Marty Clarke, yes he was MotM v Mayo in 2005 but Cunniffe was also widely regarded as Mayos best player that day and was one of the few to continue playing until the end.

Anyway, no one has suggested a better CHB in my opinion and if the Kilcullens can't make the squad I would doubt that they have the potential to mark Declan O'Sullivan et al very well.

To be honest I think the best players are in the squad, other than maybe McDonald, Aidan Higgins and Aidan Campbell (who doesn't seem to have the head). And the reason the 1st 2 lads aren't in the panel is to do with O'Mahoney wanting to start afresh I would guess (not that I agree with that!).

i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

That was one can of worms that will never be closed. One of the reasons why people don t bother going to Mayo matches anymore. Maybe we should reopen the McDonald thread ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 09, 2010, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 09, 2010, 06:28:10 PM
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Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
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Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:05:25 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 08:55:01 AM
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Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D

why so Abbeysider ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:05:25 AM
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Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D

why so Abbeysider ?

Well you know yourself, the bigger they are and all that.

Who else would you want to be playing against?
Apologies for the cliche, but to be the best you have to beat the best.
I think it would be a big motivation. Do ya follow?  :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 09:17:41 AM
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Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D

why so Abbeysider ?

Well you know yourself, the bigger they are and all that.

Who else would you want to be playing against?
Apologies for the cliche, but to be the best you have to beat the best.
I think it would be a big motivation. Do ya follow?  :)

i stand under you
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
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Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D

why so Abbeysider ?

Well you know yourself, the bigger they are and all that.

Who else would you want to be playing against?
Apologies for the cliche, but to be the best you have to beat the best.
I think it would be a big motivation. Do ya follow?  :)

i stand under you

not while im pissing  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
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Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D

why so Abbeysider ?

Well you know yourself, the bigger they are and all that.

Who else would you want to be playing against?
Apologies for the cliche, but to be the best you have to beat the best.
I think it would be a big motivation. Do ya follow?  :)

i stand under you

not while im pissing  :D

:D what are ya like , are you going to brave going for a pint in sticks after the match abbeysider
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 09:17:41 AM
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Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
i'm as big a mc d fan as anyone gb however i can't agree that mc d is still one of the best in mayo as he is not even playing with cross at the moment, as for the way he was treated by o'mahony well thats another issue and one which i better not say a lot about as i'd only be opening up a can of worms that has been closed for 3 years now.

On the contrary my good man its reported that McDonald trained last Tuesday so all indications are that the Mac is back for Crossmolina. Sources say it wasnt his first session with them either.  ;)

i'd be checking out your soucres Asider was chatting to a few cross lads at the weekend and they said that he hasn't been training

I suppose we will have to wait and see.  ;)

i have to side with swm on this one as far as i know mc has not been back training however abbeysider does have good sources  ;)

It doesnt really matter,we will win either way, but it would be a big motivation for us if he is back.  ;D

why so Abbeysider ?

Well you know yourself, the bigger they are and all that.

Who else would you want to be playing against?
Apologies for the cliche, but to be the best you have to beat the best.
I think it would be a big motivation. Do ya follow?  :)

i stand under you

not while im pissing  :D

:D what are ya like , are you going to brave going for a pint in sticks after the match abbeysider

I might if I can get a few of the lads to come with me!  :P
If there is a sambo or something we will head in to Sticks or wherever they go.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
a sambo ye should be so lucky, bring your own packed lunches with ye  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 10, 2010, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 10, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
a sambo ye should be so lucky, bring your own packed lunches with ye  :D

We only bring packed lunches to the bog...

then again we are going to Crossmolina...  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on June 10, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
From todays newspapers...

Last weekend's Connacht SFC loss to Sligo will cost the Mayo county board in the region of EUR100,000, secretary Sean Feeney has revealed.
The shock defeat means that Mayo have missed out on a lucrative home tie against Galway in the provincial semi-final - a fixture that would have sold out McHale Park in Castlebar. Had Mayo won on Saturday, they would have likely received between EUR30,000 and EUR40,000 - 10 per cent of the gate receipts - from the visit of Galway, but Feeney said that would be only half of the overall figure they would have stood to made.

"If you were to calculate what we (the county board) would lose and what the (Castlebar) Mitchels would lose on the day, between the bar and everything, you could double that figure. That's what the loss would be to the county and to the Mitchels," he said.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Ludraman on June 10, 2010, 05:40:29 PM
QuoteThat's what the loss would be to the county

Does he think that it is all about da money. I think we lost loads more than just da money.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 10, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 10, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
From todays newspapers...

Last weekend's Connacht SFC loss to Sligo will cost the Mayo county board in the region of EUR100,000, secretary Sean Feeney has revealed.
The shock defeat means that Mayo have missed out on a lucrative home tie against Galway in the provincial semi-final - a fixture that would have sold out McHale Park in Castlebar. Had Mayo won on Saturday, they would have likely received between EUR30,000 and EUR40,000 - 10 per cent of the gate receipts - from the visit of Galway, but Feeney said that would be only half of the overall figure they would have stood to made.

"If you were to calculate what we (the county board) would lose and what the (Castlebar) Mitchels would lose on the day, between the bar and everything, you could double that figure. That's what the loss would be to the county and to the Mitchels," he said.


The grinding sound you hear in the background is the knives being sharpened. This management are dead men walking after that. Nothing makes a board act faster than money lost out on.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on June 17, 2010, 01:16:05 PM
The following is a piece in the Tribune about the trouble in the Mayo camp by Kieran Shannon

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Not gone but glory forgotten
One of Armagh, Kildare or Mayo may yet surprise with a run this summer, but anything more appears beyond all three troubled sides

LAST weekend's series of shocks was a major fillip for the championship but it was also a bit of a downer in terms of the actual race for Sam itself. At the outset of the championship there was a consensus that Kerry, Tyrone and Cork occupied a pedestal way above everyone else but there was also the hope that just maybe someone would emerge from Tier Two to win it all. Among that pack would have been Dublin with a nationwide ranking of fourth, Mayo in fifth, Armagh in sixth, Galway in seventh, Kildare in eighth. Now? It's impossible to even countenance someone other than Kerry, Cork or Tyrone winning it all.

Pat Gilroy is building a team to win next year's All Ireland, not this year's. Galway barely got out of New York alive. As for Mayo, Armagh and Kildare, each of their exits from the provincial championship last weekend was as humiliating as the other's. One of the three of them will probably still make it to the All Ireland quarter-finals, and some of the fun of the next seven weeks will be finding out just which one, but such a run will only be either putting a sheen on the last couple of years (Kildare and Mayo) or building towards the next few (Armagh).
...
Mayo will make changes as well but it'll be deckchairs on the Titanic stuff. The county has lost the faith in John O'Mahony and the players appear to have too. They were jaded, from playing four challenge games in just 12 days. They had little idea of what the team would be in the run-up to Sligo and such confusion and lack of cohesion showed. One of their league successes, Seamus O'Shea, was moved out to centre forward to accommodate Ronan McGarrity in midfield when O'Shea is not a back-to-goal player. Mark Ronaldson, who tore it up in the league, was still on the bench when Billy Joe Padden, only three weeks back, was summoned to take off his tracksuit and save the day.

It would be fine if there was some method to O'Mahony's "team building" this past four years but there hasn't. Only six of the team that won last year's Connacht final started last week. In 2007 he stubbornly stuck with James Kilcullen at full-back all through the league only to discard him after the championship loss in Salthill. Kilcullen hasn't been heard of since. He's still only in his mid-20s, was never a full-back but a centre-back, the kind Mayo are screaming out for now.

During the week O'Mahony's first All Ireland-winning captain Ray Silke argued the time he used to give to preparing teams is time he no longer has. It's not uncommon at training to see O'Mahony on the phone. Before and after training can be like a constituency clinic, with people looking for this favour from him and that. When the Mayo dressing room door opened in Markievicz Park it took forever for it to empty, with all the county board officers and supporters club backers that had been in there.

That lack of focus and that clamour to be part of the big time epitomised much of what's wrong with Mayo football. Kevin McStay has called for a Genesis-like report on Mayo football and he's right. Of course O'Mahony should have freshened up his backroom team over the winter by bringing in a Peter Ford to give the team a harder edge. Of course the team needs to be changed; Trevor Mortimer's engine is worn down and his heart appears broken too from losing too many big games, while losing doesn't seem to hurt McGarrity enough. But that's finger-in-the-dyke stuff. The county's entire culture and structures need to be overhauled, otherwise there'll be no end to this flood of tears.


Some of the stuff in Bold we have been saying on here for years. But lately I have said about bringing on BJP instead of Ronnie or Dillon. And moving SOS to accommodate McGarity and Parsons. What is this doing for a morale of the players thats already suffering?

O Mahoney has lost the dressing-room, and the respect of the players. Not only that but he has lost the supporters who stuck by Mayo through thick and thin in the past. I cant imagine many supporters turning out against Longford as I see no way back for this team and I think every supporter with half a wit will realise the same. The longer that O Mahoney waits, the worse it will be and the harder it will be to mend.

Im calling it here, I think that we could lose to Longford, and if not Longford we could be out in the next round and have an early exit and heres why.

This time last year Kerry faced the same scenario and almost lost to Longford but for a first half goal by Tommy Walsh. Kerry went 35 minutes without getting a score in the second half and Longford rallied all through the second half to give Kerry a bit of a scare. If it wasnt for some bad shooting, I think Longford could have won that game as Kerry were complacent and Longford showed great character by never lying down.

Now I know at this stage of the season Longford are coming off the back of some woeful results in Div 4, winning their only game against Kilkenny and drawing with Waterford being their only good results (I think). But when it comes to championship, and you have a team like Mayo who are there for the taking, then I dont think its such an impossibility, especially with the complacency and lack of respect we showed Sligo and the NFL final. 

At this stage in the season, as Shannen alluded to, the Mayo players are already burnt out physiologically. All the games and losses lead to mental fatigue. You just dont want to play if you are losing and any chance you did have has disappeared. Couple that with a total loss of respect for O Mahoney and you wondering if the players will be able to lift things and actually try and perform?

If you dont respect the guy who is calling the shots you wont play for them, its a simple as that. I cant rule out anything, as this is football, but could we ever see a situation where the players will just lose this game for an early exit to force JOM out the door? Its either that or they are looking down the barrel of a long summer of qualifier games with little or no hope for any glory. If the supporters were hoping for a quick death, will the players?

I hope it hasnt gone that far and I hope there is enough of pride in the county for this not to happen but things are bad, very bad so im bracing myself.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Foreverhopeful on June 17, 2010, 01:30:02 PM
It's going to take a lot of time for wounds to heal. I don't think we will lose to longford personally but it may happen. If so JOM is obviously gone. Any win be it a one point or ten point win means the same. It's just a win. What we are looking for is a bit of heart and a bit of intensity... If you focus on bringing sheer intensity to a game, pride and passion then usually the rest will follow. If you don't have that you are in trouble. We do have some fine natural footballers in Mayo. There is no question about their class so if they get the intensity right and play with pride then their natural talent should see them through.
Unfortunately i dont think the current management can lift this team to the necessary levels to get to a quarter/semi-final. Gallagher and Lyons have no pedigree as players. Where's the TJ kilgallons, Pat fallons. These ex-players command respect and gave everything for the Green and Red. County board should have got the likes of these on baord for minor, U-21 and senior roles a long time ago
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 17, 2010, 09:06:50 PM
Looks like the penny has dropped for nearly everybody - including the fourth estate. Pity it has taken so long and so much damage has been done. It ll be interesting to see how that ould curmudgeon Eugene McGee ( he who s opinion is of course gospel to the masses - the high priest of football punditry) will make of it all. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo51 on June 19, 2010, 10:41:16 PM
i remember, after  the all ireland defeats of 04 and 06, colm o rourke writing extensive articles in the indo saying that the county board should move heaven and earth to get j.o.m back to manage mayo as we had no chance of success otherwise,which was very disrespecfull to john maughan who had dragged mayo out of the gutter and and done more than most to bring sam back to mayo.i wonder what would be his view on the last 4 years but i doubt he would be placing any blame on j.om .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2010, 09:20:43 PM
I was just thinking there to myself today about McHale Park. Will ALL home games in the league have to be played there anymore?? Or will Charlestown, Ballina etc ever get a home game again?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on July 15, 2010, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2010, 09:20:43 PM
I was just thinking there to myself today about McHale Park. Will ALL home games in the league have to be played there anymore?? Or will Charlestown, Ballina etc ever get a home game again?

It is agreed the Div 1 & 2 will be in McHale Park should Mayo be in those divisions.

If they play in Div 3 then games will be split between Ballina & Charlestown.

If they play in Div 4 then all games will be played in Hyde Park.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: StoneWall on August 05, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Abbeysider or Tubberman can either of you confirm or contradict this? I was talking with a friend of mine from Clare yesterday. He was asking who I'd like to see as Mayo manager, I named a few including James Horan. He reckoned Horan is involved with the Clare team along with Liam McHale?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 17, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Rob Hennelly was on 'Take me out', a cheesy version of Blind Date on TV3. He said he was a Gleek which presumably is a Breaffy ailment. He escorted some blond Jackeen off at the end who admitted to 'flashing buses'.

R&GS, any updates?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 17, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 17, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Rob Hennelly was on 'Take me out', a cheesy version of Blind Date on TV3. He said he was a Gleek which presumably is a Breaffy ailment. He escorted some blond Jackeen off at the end who admitted to 'flashing buses'.

R&GS, any updates?

Yes. The bus driver is slowly coming to his senses.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 17, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 17, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Rob Hennelly was on 'Take me out', a cheesy version of Blind Date on TV3. He said he was a Gleek which presumably is a Breaffy ailment. He escorted some blond Jackeen off at the end who admitted to 'flashing buses'.

R&GS, any updates?

My God, and we thought Brolly, Spillane etc were bad with Mortimer and McDonald with the bleached hair and tattoos!
Wait til they get a hold of this!  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 17, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 17, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 17, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Rob Hennelly was on 'Take me out', a cheesy version of Blind Date on TV3. He said he was a Gleek which presumably is a Breaffy ailment. He escorted some blond Jackeen off at the end who admitted to 'flashing buses'.

R&GS, any updates?

My God, and we thought Brolly, Spillane etc were bad with Mortimer and McDonald with the bleached hair and tattoos!
Wait til they get a hold of this!  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ffuCVLECpY
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on December 18, 2010, 11:42:54 AM
Mayo Ladies Report

Conclusions



Having taken submissions from many clubs, players, former players, club officials, parents, former managers and county board officials, we conclude that Ladies Gaelic Football is in a healthy state in Mayo.  All contributors were loud in their praise of the current County Board for their running of the affairs in the county.  Club competitions and fixtures have improved immensely under the present administration.  Under age county teams are also thriving which is borne out by their achievements this year.  The major area of concern is with the senior county team.  In saying this, everyone to whom we spoke was of the opinion that Mayo Ladies senior team can be successful and bring more honours to the county.



A number of reasons were put forward for the failure to hold on to managers over the years but the majority by far felt that the problem lay with a few of the more senior players who constantly tried to exercise control over the team.  It was said that this should have been tackled some years ago, when one manager left, but it was let carry on and managers preferred to leave rather than rock the boat. This situation was exasperated by the poor procedures adopted by the County Board in the appointment of managers.  The clubs attending county board in the current year were fed up with senior team problems at county board meetings and decided to deal with the matter and bring the issue to a head.  This led to the withdrawal of the team from the championship.  Practically all said the issue won't be resolved until a manager is appointed who will deal with the players involved, if needed, and that such a manager must receive the full backing of county board.



Recommendations



1.   A manager needs to be put in place as soon as possible and that this manager is given at least two years contract, subject to review after year one.  It is recommended that Central Council or another independent body should assist the County Board in appointing a manager.



2.  An agreed liaison officer must be appointed to keep all sides informed of ongoing developments.



3.  A full back up team including physio, coach and selectors must also be appointed.  It is recommended that a selector be appointed from each geographical region in the county i.e., north, south, east and west.



4.  Managers, selectors, liaison officer etc must have their roles and duties clearly defined.



5. The incoming management team, including physio and Liaison Officer must attend

  a county mentor workshop organised by Central Council.



6.  All sides must buy into the philosophy that:



        (a)    Players play

        (b)    Managers manage

(c)          County Board administers football affairs in the county.



7. The incoming team Management should set up dialogue with players who have withdrawn from the panel or who do not wish to join the panel because of the intimidation factor. These fears must be allayed and they should be reassured about their welcome to the squad.



8.  A code of conduct should be drawn up by Central Council for all persons involved in Ladies Gaelic Football.  This should be along the lines of the codes contained in the Code of Ethics.



9.  We recommend the holding of a Club Officer programme in the county.



10.  A Volunteer recruitment program should be run.



Finally we would like to restate our thanks to all contributors for their submissions to us and we hope that our suggestions which have been made in the spirit of reconciliation will assist Mayo LGFA to move forward with all  footballing activity within the county and we wish all members of the LGFA  in Mayo continued success in the future.



It is fairly damning stuff and seems to back up the claims of the last management, the line about the intimidation factor when joining the panel is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 18, 2010, 06:20:06 PM
Personally I find it hard to take that report seriously. It reads like someones dream document rather than an independent report.

Anyone 'intimidated' off a panel by their own team mates is hardly someone you want with you in the heat of the Championship is it? God knows what they would make of opponents intimidating them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on December 18, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on December 18, 2010, 11:42:54 AM
Mayo Ladies Report

Conclusions



Having taken submissions from many clubs, players, former players, club officials, parents, former managers and county board officials, we conclude that Ladies Gaelic Football is in a healthy state in Mayo.  All contributors were loud in their praise of the current County Board for their running of the affairs in the county.  Club competitions and fixtures have improved immensely under the present administration.  Under age county teams are also thriving which is borne out by their achievements this year.  The major area of concern is with the senior county team.  In saying this, everyone to whom we spoke was of the opinion that Mayo Ladies senior team can be successful and bring more honours to the county.



A number of reasons were put forward for the failure to hold on to managers over the years but the majority by far felt that the problem lay with a few of the more senior players who constantly tried to exercise control over the team.  It was said that this should have been tackled some years ago, when one manager left, but it was let carry on and managers preferred to leave rather than rock the boat. This situation was exasperated by the poor procedures adopted by the County Board in the appointment of managers.  The clubs attending county board in the current year were fed up with senior team problems at county board meetings and decided to deal with the matter and bring the issue to a head.  This led to the withdrawal of the team from the championship.  Practically all said the issue won't be resolved until a manager is appointed who will deal with the players involved, if needed, and that such a manager must receive the full backing of county board.



Recommendations



1.   A manager needs to be put in place as soon as possible and that this manager is given at least two years contract, subject to review after year one.  It is recommended that Central Council or another independent body should assist the County Board in appointing a manager.



2.  An agreed liaison officer must be appointed to keep all sides informed of ongoing developments.



3.  A full back up team including physio, coach and selectors must also be appointed.  It is recommended that a selector be appointed from each geographical region in the county i.e., north, south, east and west.



4.  Managers, selectors, liaison officer etc must have their roles and duties clearly defined.



5. The incoming management team, including physio and Liaison Officer must attend

  a county mentor workshop organised by Central Council.



6.  All sides must buy into the philosophy that:



        (a)    Players play

        (b)    Managers manage

(c)          County Board administers football affairs in the county.



7. The incoming team Management should set up dialogue with players who have withdrawn from the panel or who do not wish to join the panel because of the intimidation factor. These fears must be allayed and they should be reassured about their welcome to the squad.



8.  A code of conduct should be drawn up by Central Council for all persons involved in Ladies Gaelic Football.  This should be along the lines of the codes contained in the Code of Ethics.



9.  We recommend the holding of a Club Officer programme in the county.



10.  A Volunteer recruitment program should be run.



Finally we would like to restate our thanks to all contributors for their submissions to us and we hope that our suggestions which have been made in the spirit of reconciliation will assist Mayo LGFA to move forward with all  footballing activity within the county and we wish all members of the LGFA  in Mayo continued success in the future.



It is fairly damning stuff and seems to back up the claims of the last management, the line about the intimidation factor when joining the panel is unbelievable.

I didn't need to read any further than what I've highlighted in bold to know the report was a sham. Anyone who has seen the county board in operation both in terms of the county teams and club fixtures knows how appaling the set-up in Mayo Ladies football. A lot of club footballers go four months in the middle of the year without any football. Mayo, so long a powerhouse in Ladies football, have taken to competing at B grade at underage level. Any progress made by the successes of the senior team at the turn of the century has been not only stymied but put into reverse. And we think we have problems with the mens game . . .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on December 31, 2010, 05:08:23 PM
John O'Mahony interview in Indo

(Mayo)

Q What's the best thing you did all season?

A Qualification for Division 1 final by beating Kerry, Derry, Tyrone and Cork away from home.

Introducing some young players to the panel, for example Enda Varley, Neil Douglas, Shane Nally, and giving first team places to other young players who had come in to the squad the previous year, such as Donal Vaughan, Seamus O'Shea, Chris Barrett.

Q What's the one thing, with the benefit of hindsight, you'd do differently?

A Not really. We needed the run in the league to build confidence.

Q Would you have liked to stay on, and why?

A To stay on we would have had to have shown progress in the championship, ie (have reached the) quarter/semi-final. That didn't happen for various reasons so having been there four years, I felt the time had come to hand over to someone else. I would have liked to have finished with a good championship run, which I am confident the team can have in 2011, but patience is not in plentiful supply in Mayo over the years and I believe in accountability.

Q Do you see yourself managing a county team again?

A Yes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 03, 2011, 04:27:30 PM
I heard last week that there were more trials scheduled to take place yesterday. Anyone go along for a look or hear how they went?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on January 03, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
Heard James Kilcullen, Aidan Campbell, Jason Gibbons played well. Barry Moran was tried Midfield, Trev Mort gone travelling for two months, conor injured. Most of last years lads involved two 15 a side games so at least 60 players looked at.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 04, 2011, 07:07:33 PM
Think a good few Junior players from clubs like Islandeady, Moygownagh, Ardnaree, The Neale etc were given a shot on Sunday's trial. Think Donal Vaughan and Seamie O'Shea are out for the FBD and Mayo will be caught without a good few colleges players for the FBD too. I'd imagine there'll be a good few new names on Sunday. Good to hear guys with the ability required like James Kilcullen and Aidan Campbell are back in the fold. Hopefully they'll take to it fairly well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on January 04, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
Good to see the junior players getting a chance, interesting to note Jimmy Killeen is not in the top 65 players in the county. We have some talent it seems   :o. Anyway hope to be in Ballinamore on Sunday to see how the lads shape up, really looking forward to seeing Jason Gibbons getting a run
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 05, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
Is the Mort being misquoted below?  ???

Quote
Mortimer could miss season
04 January 2011

Conor Mortimer could miss Mayo's entire 2011 campaign if he decides to undergo surgery to repair a long-standing knee problem.

The star attacker tore his medial ligament injury in left knee while training with UUJ before Christmas and, having played with no cruciate in the same knee for the past seven years, surgery may be the only option for him.

"It's weaker than it's ever been," the Shrule-Glencorrib clubman said.

"Fairly bad is how I would put it. I won't know until the end of the month when the medial ligament injury clears up and I can see just how bad the knee is. I've managed to go without the cruciate for so long, but now may be the time to get it over and done with."

Mortimer accepts that 2011 could be a write-off for him if he decides to go under the knife.

"I might have to draw a line under the season altogether and that's not the greatest thought in the world," he continued.

"Then again, it may turn out I can go on without it for another season. I just don't know. Right now, it doesn't feel like I can ignore surgery but all I can do is wait and hope it doesn't come to that."


I couldnt believe my eyes when I read the bits in bold. No cruciate ligament for 7 years?

Sounds a bit far fetched... I heard of some All Black rugby forwards with no cruciates, but their enormous power in the quads meant that they could run in straight lines only; and maybe that is even urban myth. I cant fathom any GAA player playing with cruciate, and not even a knee support.  ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mortified on January 05, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 05, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
Is the Mort being misquoted below?  ???

Quote
Mortimer could miss season
04 January 2011

Conor Mortimer could miss Mayo's entire 2011 campaign if he decides to undergo surgery to repair a long-standing knee problem.

The star attacker tore his medial ligament injury in left knee while training with UUJ before Christmas and, having played with no cruciate in the same knee for the past seven years, surgery may be the only option for him.

"It's weaker than it's ever been," the Shrule-Glencorrib clubman said.

"Fairly bad is how I would put it. I won't know until the end of the month when the medial ligament injury clears up and I can see just how bad the knee is. I've managed to go without the cruciate for so long, but now may be the time to get it over and done with."

Mortimer accepts that 2011 could be a write-off for him if he decides to go under the knife.

"I might have to draw a line under the season altogether and that's not the greatest thought in the world," he continued.

"Then again, it may turn out I can go on without it for another season. I just don't know. Right now, it doesn't feel like I can ignore surgery but all I can do is wait and hope it doesn't come to that."


I couldnt believe my eyes when I read the bits in bold. No cruciate ligament for 7 years?

Sounds a bit far fetched... I heard of some All Black rugby forwards with no cruciates, but their enormous power in the quads meant that they could run in straight lines only; and maybe that is even urban myth. I cant fathom any GAA player playing with cruciate, and not even a knee support.  ::)


ya but the mort is no ordinary GAA player!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Johnny Drama on January 06, 2011, 10:59:21 AM
From HS:

Ballintubber pair named in Mayo line-up
06 January 2011

New Mayo manager James Horan has included two of his county championship winning Ballintubber team in his line-up for Sunday's FBD Connacht League opener against Leitrim.

Cathal Hallinan and Mike Nestor have been named at right corner back and centre back respectively for the trip to Ballinamore. Among the other new faces are Castlebar's Richie Feeney, Kevin Dolan of Tourmakeady and Crossmolina's Brian Benson.

Experience is provided by the likes of David Clarke, Ger Cafferkey, Trevor Howley, Ronan McGarritty, Barry Moran, Andy Moran, Aidan Kilcoyne and the Dublin-based Austin O'Malley, who has returned to the fold after missing last season.

Mayo (SF v Leitrim): D Clarke; C Hallinan, G Cafferkey, R Feeney; T Howley, M Nestor, C Barrett; R McGarrity, B Moran; A Campbell, A O'Malley, A Kilcoyne; K Dolan, A Moran (captain), B Benson.

So far it seems Horan has taken the right approach, there would have been no hope of some of these lads getting a chance in other years. Has anyone heard who else is involved in the panel for the weekend?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 06, 2011, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: Johnny Drama on January 06, 2011, 10:59:21 AM
Ballintubber pair named in Mayo line-up
06 January 2011

New Mayo manager James Horan has included two of his county championship winning Ballintubber team in his line-up for Sunday's FBD Connacht League opener against Leitrim.

Cathal Hallinan and Mike Nestor have been named at right corner back and centre back respectively for the trip to Ballinamore. Among the other new faces are Castlebar's Richie Feeney, Kevin Dolan of Tourmakeady and Crossmolina's Brian Benson.

Experience is provided by the likes of David Clarke, Ger Cafferkey, Trevor Howley, Ronan McGarritty, Barry Moran, Andy Moran, Aidan Kilcoyne and the Dublin-based Austin O'Malley, who has returned to the fold after missing last season.

Mayo (SF v Leitrim): D Clarke; C Hallinan, G Cafferkey, R Feeney; T Howley, M Nestor, C Barrett; R McGarrity, B Moran; A Campbell, A O'Malley, A Kilcoyne; K Dolan, A Moran (captain), B Benson.

So far it seems Horan has taken the right approach, there would have been no hope of some of these lads getting a chance in other years. Has anyone heard who else is involved in the panel for the weekend?

Ya I think so too Johnny.

Its really refreshing to see some of these lads given a chance in the FBD. From what I can gather we may see a different team line out for the FBD games as they are being used to have a proper look at guys. I guess you can only learn so much from trial games.

Hopefully we will see some of the new faces do well. I didnt hear much about the panel for the game so I guess we will see will Mid West have it later. I do know that up to 15 or more of the panel from last year are unavailable through playing with colleges and injury.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 06, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
Full panel is up on mayogaa.com

Apologies for the formatting - don't have time to sort it all out  :)

FBD Connacht Senior Football League 9n Eanáir 2011
Foireann Sinsir Mhaigh Eo in aghaidh Liatroma
í Béal an Átha Móir

1 David Clarke Daithí Ó Cléirigh Ballina Stephenites
2 Cathal Hallinan Cathal Hallinán Ballintubber
3 Ger Cafferkey Gearoid MacEafarcaigh Ballina Stephenites
4 Richie Feeney Risteard Ó Fiannaí Castlebar Mitchels
5 Trevor Howley Traolach Ó hUallaigh Knockmore
6 Mike Nestor Mícháel Ó Nestor Ballintubber
7 Chris Barrett Críostóir de Bairéid Belmullet
8 Ronan McGarrity Ronán MacFheartaigh Ballina Stephenites
9 Barry Moran Bairre Ó Móráin Castlebar Mitchels
10 Aidan Campbell Aidán Campbell Swinford
11 Austin O'Malley Oistín Ó Máille St. Vincents
12 Aidan Kilcoyne Aidán Kilcoyne Knockmore
13 Kevin Dolan Caoimhín Ó Dobhailein Tourmakeady
14 Andy Moran (Captain) Aindriú Ó Moráin Ballaghaderreen
15 Brian Benson Brian Ni Benson Crossmolina
16 Kenneth O'Malley Cionnait Ó Máille Ballinrobe
17 Alan Feeney Alan Ó Fiannaí Castlebar Mitchels
18 David Killeen Dáithí Ó Cillin Ballinrobe
19 Jason Gibbons Séasán Gibbons Ballintubber
20 James McAndrew Séamus Mac Andrew Killcommon
21 Ruairi O'Connor Ruairi Ó Choncuir Ballintubber
22 James Burke Séamus de Búrca Dublin
23 Andrew Farrell Aindriú Ó Fearghail Killala
24 Mark Ronaldson Marc MacRaghnaill Shrule-Glencorrib
25 Enda Varley Eanna Mac an Bhearlaigh Garrymore
26 Cillian O'Connor Cillian Ó Choncuir Ballintubber


James Horan Seámus Ó hÓráin Bainisteoir
Martin Connolly Máirtín Ó Conghóile Roghnóir
Paul Jordan Pól Mac Shiúrtáin Roghnóir
James Nallen Séamus Mac Naílínı Roghnóir
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 10, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Anyone know if this is true?

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376)

QuoteMayo star Billy Joe Padden is on the verge of a switch to Armagh having completed a transfer from his native Belmullet to south Armagh club Carrickcruppen.

According to The Irish News, the 29-year-old has already been training with Paddy O'Rourke's squad and could be added to the panel ahead of next month's National Football League campaign when the Orchard men will make their return to the top flight.

Padden, who is the son of Mayo legend Willie Joe and a winner three Connacht title with his native county, has strong links with Camlough in Armagh and has experienced Ulster football having won a Sigerson All Star with Queen's University, Belfast in 2004.

If added to O'Rourke's panel, Padden would be a valuable asset to the Division Two champions as his versatility allows him to line-out at centre-field or in attack.

Is BJ actually switching to Armagh, or just training with them since he's not in either Mayo or Dublin to join the rest of the Mayo training sessions?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 10, 2011, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 10, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Anyone know if this is true?

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376)

QuoteMayo star Billy Joe Padden is on the verge of a switch to Armagh having completed a transfer from his native Belmullet to south Armagh club Carrickcruppen.

According to The Irish News, the 29-year-old has already been training with Paddy O'Rourke's squad and could be added to the panel ahead of next month's National Football League campaign when the Orchard men will make their return to the top flight.

Padden, who is the son of Mayo legend Willie Joe and a winner three Connacht title with his native county, has strong links with Camlough in Armagh and has experienced Ulster football having won a Sigerson All Star with Queen's University, Belfast in 2004.

If added to O'Rourke's panel, Padden would be a valuable asset to the Division Two champions as his versatility allows him to line-out at centre-field or in attack.

Is BJ actually switching to Armagh, or just training with them since he's not in either Mayo or Dublin to join the rest of the Mayo training sessions?

I dont think he will be involved with Mayo so there is some truth in the article I reckon.

He was a useful utility player I guess. He played in all the central positions from Full Back, Centre back, Mid Field, Centre Forward and Full Forward but never actually nailed down any position for a long period. I think I read somewhere that he played in 8 out field positions in total, which is impressive versatility.

His fans would say he is a Jack of all trades and his critics would say that he is a master none, but I think he was honest as the day is long and served us well. Best of luck in your new adventure Billy!  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 10, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 10, 2011, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 10, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Anyone know if this is true?

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376)

QuoteMayo star Billy Joe Padden is on the verge of a switch to Armagh having completed a transfer from his native Belmullet to south Armagh club Carrickcruppen.

According to The Irish News, the 29-year-old has already been training with Paddy O'Rourke's squad and could be added to the panel ahead of next month's National Football League campaign when the Orchard men will make their return to the top flight.

Padden, who is the son of Mayo legend Willie Joe and a winner three Connacht title with his native county, has strong links with Camlough in Armagh and has experienced Ulster football having won a Sigerson All Star with Queen's University, Belfast in 2004.

If added to O'Rourke's panel, Padden would be a valuable asset to the Division Two champions as his versatility allows him to line-out at centre-field or in attack.

Is BJ actually switching to Armagh, or just training with them since he's not in either Mayo or Dublin to join the rest of the Mayo training sessions?

I dont think he will be involved with Mayo so there is some truth in the article I reckon.

He was a useful utility player I guess. He played in all the central positions from Full Back, Centre back, Mid Field, Centre Forward and Full Forward but never actually nailed down any position for a long period. I think I read somewhere that he played in 8 out field positions in total, which is impressive versatility.

His fans would say he is a Jack of all trades and his critics would say that he is a master none, but I think he was honest as the day is long and served us well. Best of luck in your new adventure Billy!  ;)

Yep, best of luck to him if he does make the move.
He always gave it everything he had anyway, he can hold his head high on that count.
It was hard on him at times I'd say, playing nearly every position at some stage but never had one that he could hold on to. And I couldn't see that changing this year, so it might be the best move all round, especially when he's based so far away.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 10, 2011, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 10, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 10, 2011, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 10, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Anyone know if this is true?

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140376)

QuoteMayo star Billy Joe Padden is on the verge of a switch to Armagh having completed a transfer from his native Belmullet to south Armagh club Carrickcruppen.

According to The Irish News, the 29-year-old has already been training with Paddy O'Rourke's squad and could be added to the panel ahead of next month's National Football League campaign when the Orchard men will make their return to the top flight.

Padden, who is the son of Mayo legend Willie Joe and a winner three Connacht title with his native county, has strong links with Camlough in Armagh and has experienced Ulster football having won a Sigerson All Star with Queen's University, Belfast in 2004.

If added to O'Rourke's panel, Padden would be a valuable asset to the Division Two champions as his versatility allows him to line-out at centre-field or in attack.

Is BJ actually switching to Armagh, or just training with them since he's not in either Mayo or Dublin to join the rest of the Mayo training sessions?

I dont think he will be involved with Mayo so there is some truth in the article I reckon.

He was a useful utility player I guess. He played in all the central positions from Full Back, Centre back, Mid Field, Centre Forward and Full Forward but never actually nailed down any position for a long period. I think I read somewhere that he played in 8 out field positions in total, which is impressive versatility.

His fans would say he is a Jack of all trades and his critics would say that he is a master none, but I think he was honest as the day is long and served us well. Best of luck in your new adventure Billy!  ;)

Yep, best of luck to him if he does make the move.
He always gave it everything he had anyway, he can hold his head high on that count.
It was hard on him at times I'd say, playing nearly every position at some stage but never had one that he could hold on to. And I couldn't see that changing this year, so it might be the best move all round, especially when he's based so far away.

Ya people were harsh on him in the past, and I have to hold my hand up and say I was one of his critics.
It wasnt his fault that he was shifted around so much. If he was left alone he could have developed into a position.
He was one of the only players that stood up in '06 against Kerry. If im not mistaken he caused Thomas O Shea serious problems that day.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on January 10, 2011, 06:05:22 PM
he did stand up against kerry when most were turning into jelly. He always gave his all for Mayo, however he is not going to be collecting silverware with armagh neither, they are a middle table outfit much like mayo today.
good luck all the same to bj whether its in mayo or armagh.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 12, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
Best of luck to BJP. He was one of only 3-4 players to emerge from the AIF '06 with any credit and oddly enough i think that was the last championship game he started for Mayo.

Played against him underage and he was a fine footballer, remember him beating us more or less on his own one evening out in Belmullet.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 17, 2011, 05:24:12 AM
Any word on how the Mayo lads are doing with the universities?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 18, 2011, 02:24:12 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 17, 2011, 05:24:12 AM
Any word on how the Mayo lads are doing with the universities?

I think O'Se did fairly well in the exams, Gardiner and Dillon are struggling to get back into the studying lark though apparently :P
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 18, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 18, 2011, 02:24:12 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 17, 2011, 05:24:12 AM
Any word on how the Mayo lads are doing with the universities?

I think O'Se did fairly well in the exams, Gardiner and Dillon are struggling to get back into the studying lark though apparently :P
:D Coppers get a flaking too no doubt....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 18, 2011, 05:16:51 PM
 :D @ stephenite's reply.

Neil Douglas scored 1-1 and Jason Doherty scored 0-3 for NUIG against Galway this weekend.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 18, 2011, 10:19:14 PM

With the size of the FBD panel and lots of others goin well with their colleges, it will be interesting to see what James Horan comes up with as a selection for the first league game against Down, which is only about 3 weeks away.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: southsider on January 19, 2011, 02:13:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 18, 2011, 10:19:14 PM

With the size of the FBD panel and lots of others goin well with their colleges, it will be interesting to see what James Horan comes up with as a selection for the first league game against Down, which is only about 3 weeks away.

what is the league panel size out of interest and have any of the newcomers like hallinan, burke, killeen a realistic chance of making that panel or will it be a case of those playing for colleges coming straight back in.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 19, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
They might have a nice chance this year. Especially if the u-21s go on a bit of a run. It SHOULD be a good team this year at U-21 level anyway, but it is straight knockout so anything is possible.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 19, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
It's gonna be very hard to pick the team for the Down game. I reckon James Burke, Cathal Hallinan and Cillian O'Connor have played themselves into contention. McGarrity will probably be there. Has anyone seen Tom Parsons? Then add in NUIG players Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty (both flying), Alan Dillon and Peadar Gardiner. DIT have Alan Freeman, Aidan O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin and Tom Cunniffe. We've let to see Keith Higgins, or Seamus O'Shea, or Donal Vaughan. Think all three are injured. It is wide open now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 20, 2011, 12:26:07 AM

Yeah. Only Horan and his selectors can have any idea who they re goin to put out against Down. They have to target it as a winnable match so they have to put out as strong a team as they can field. But God knows what that team is since realistically the decks were cleared after Pearse Park?  Horan cant really go back to anything near that selection or, floodlights or not, the only fans that appear, will be carrying pitchforks and torches. He needs to put his stamp on things from the word go. Johnno s selections did enough flops under Johnno. Horan should not start off with Johnno s team and add his bits gradually. He needs to be bold and if he is the supporters might get interested again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 20, 2011, 02:23:38 PM
Well I reckon the decks are cleared for him anyway. I reckon the team against Sligo is the team that needs changing. Johnno, in a rare moment of decisiveness, did spring a lot of changes for the Longford game. See the teams below (courtesy of Willie Joe's fine blog) and there was six changes, including some established names (Gardiner, T Mort, McGarrity). Of the Longford team I reckon the most that will start is eight. Possibly as few as five. Injuries, lack of presence due to college commitments and simple non-selection all being reasons.

MAYO (v SLIGO): David Clarke; Peadar Gardiner, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Donal Vaughan, Tom Cunniffe, Kevin McLoughlin; Tom Parsons, Ronan McGarrity; Andy Moran (0-1), Seamus O'Shea, Trevor Mortimer; Conor Mortimer (0-3, one free), Alan Freeman (1-4, penalty goal and two frees), Enda Varley.  Subs: BJ Padden for Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea for Varley, Mark Ronaldson for Trevor Mortimer, Barry Moran for Parsons, Kieran Conroy for McGarrity.

MAYO (v LONGFORD): David Clarke; Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Donal Vaughan, Trevor Howley, Kevin McLoughlin; Seamus O'Shea (0-1), Pat Harte; Andy Moran (0-2, one a '45'), Aidan O'Shea, Alan Freeman (0-5, one free); Conor Mortimer (0-2, one free), Barry Moran (0-1), Alan Dillon (0-3).   Subs: Liam O'Malley for McLoughlin, Mark Ronaldson for Aidan O'Shea, Tom Parsons for Howley, Billy Joe Padden for Harte.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 20, 2011, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 19, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
It's gonna be very hard to pick the team for the Down game. I reckon James Burke, Cathal Hallinan and Cillian O'Connor have played themselves into contention. McGarrity will probably be there. Has anyone seen Tom Parsons? Then add in NUIG players Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty (both flying), Alan Dillon and Peadar Gardiner. DIT have Alan Freeman, Aidan O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin and Tom Cunniffe. We've let to see Keith Higgins, or Seamus O'Shea, or Donal Vaughan. Think all three are injured. It is wide open now.

I think Parsons is injured, along with a couple of more guys like Higgins, Vaughan and Howley. The NUIG and DIT guys seem to be going well so they could be in contention with the guys we saw playing well against GMIT. The next few FBD games against Roscommon and Leitrim will tell us more as they are decent opposition.

I doubt anyone will be in contention for the Down game without having been either at trials and playing FBD with Mayo, or doing well with their respective colleges.

Its early to be guessing, as we have to see the likes of Jason Gibbons, McAndrew, Ian Rowland and a few more yet, but out of both teams that played against Longford and Sligo last year I would only pick 8-10 players only as probabilities to be considered, not definites.

The Down game will be a very hard team to pick, but I reckon Horan is more likely to play guys on form and doing well rather than base it on previous reputations.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 20, 2011, 07:48:33 PM
OMalley,KHiggins,Killeen,Reilly,Howley,Keegan,OConnor,BMoran,Kilcullen,Rowland,Freeman,Farrell,Varley,Ronaldson,Benson.

From clubmayo on Twitter.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 20, 2011, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 20, 2011, 07:48:33 PM
OMalley,KHiggins,Killeen,Reilly,Howley,Keegan,OConnor,BMoran,Kilcullen,Rowland,Freeman,Farrell,Varley,Ronaldson,Benson.

From clubmayo on Twitter.

Thats a totally different team than what took the pitch last weekend.
I dont think I see a single player that started last week on that list which is incredible.  :o

All of these players being given a chance is great to see  ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 20, 2011, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 20, 2011, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 20, 2011, 07:48:33 PM
OMalley,KHiggins,Killeen,Reilly,Howley,Keegan,OConnor,BMoran,Kilcullen,Rowland,Freeman,Farrell,Varley,Ronaldson,Benson.

From clubmayo on Twitter.

Thats a totally different team than what took the pitch last weekend.
I dont think I see a single player that started last week on that list which is incredible.  :o

All of these players being given a chance is great to see ;D

Can only be a good thing. Interesting midfield, personally I'd like to see Keith at 7 or 6 but definitely not 2, but I realise that he will hardly stay there.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 20, 2011, 09:37:08 PM

What Freeman is that then? Cathal? As far as I know Alan in O Byrne Cup with DIT?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 20, 2011, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 20, 2011, 09:37:08 PM

What Freeman is that then? Cathal? As far as I know Alan in O Byrne Cup with DIT?

It is Cathal. Great to have him back on board. Four senior debutants I think (10, 4, 11, 12) while 3 and 7 only made their debuts off the bench last week. Team in full as received from Mayo GAA is

1)   Kenneth O'Malley   Ballinrobe
2)   Keith Higgins   Ballyhaunis
3)   David Killeen   Ballinrobe
4)   Eoghan Reilly   Castlebar Mitchels
5)   Trevor Howley   Knockmore
6)   Lee Keegan   Westport
7)   Ruadiri O'Connor   Ballintubber
8)   Barry Moran   Castlebar Mitchels
9)   James Kilcullen   Ballaghadereen
10)   Ian Rowland   Crossmolina
11)   Cathal Freeman   Aghamore
12)   Andrew Farrell   Killalla
13)   Enda Varley   Garrymore
14)   Mark Ronaldson   Shrule-Glencorrib
15)   Brian Benson   Crossmolina
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 20, 2011, 10:40:41 PM

Yeah. Great to see Cathal Freeman back. Looked a real classy player before that injury. Clever and gave great craft and balance to a forward line. Hope he gets a good run of it. Deserves all the luck going after what he has been through.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 21, 2011, 09:02:07 AM
Heading home this weekend, so looking forward to heading for Ballyhaunis to see this team with so many new players getting their chance.
Ruadhrí O'Connor seemed to do well when he came on last week, great to see him on from the start this week.
Looking forward to seeing James Kilcullen in midfield. I thought he did well when he played in 07, despite possibly being out of position. Good to see him back.
The entire half-forward is new - all making their senior debuts! So that will definitely be interesting, a big ask for Cathal Freeman at 11 but he looked a star of the future as minor. Great to see him back after that bad leg break.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: southsider on January 21, 2011, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 21, 2011, 09:02:07 AM
Heading home this weekend, so looking forward to heading for Ballyhaunis to see this team with so many new players getting their chance.
Ruadhrí O'Connor seemed to do well when he came on last week, great to see him on from the start this week.
Looking forward to seeing James Kilcullen in midfield. I thought he did well when he played in 07, despite possibly being out of position. Good to see him back.
The entire half-forward is new - all making their senior debuts! So that will definitely be interesting, a big ask for Cathal Freeman at 11 but he looked a star of the future as minor. Great to see him back after that bad leg break.

Be good to see how killeen gets on at full back - need some solution htere
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 21, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: southsider on January 21, 2011, 01:28:44 PM

Be good to see how killeen gets on at full back - need some solution htere

In my own opinion id say Ger Cafferkey is doing fine at full back, I dont think that was the problem, although Killeen did well the last day when he came in.

Id say that the problems were at corner back at centre back.

Previous managers were playing guys out of position and trying to turn natural wing backs into corner backs which wasnt working for us.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: southsider on January 21, 2011, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 21, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: southsider on January 21, 2011, 01:28:44 PM

Be good to see how killeen gets on at full back - need some solution htere

In my own opinion id say Ger Cafferkey is doing fine at full back, I dont think that was the problem, although Killeen did well the last day when he came in.

Id say that the problems were at corner back at centre back.

Previous managers were playing guys out of position and trying to turn natural wing backs into corner backs which wasnt working for us.

ya totally agree with ya, meant to say option rather than solution at full back. See him as a stronger man should a beast arrive in on the edge of the square. they both have their strong suits.

hallinan may solve one of our corner back dilemas

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 22, 2011, 12:23:23 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 21, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: southsider on January 21, 2011, 01:28:44 PM

Be good to see how killeen gets on at full back - need some solution htere

In my own opinion id say Ger Cafferkey is doing fine at full back, I dont think that was the problem, although Killeen did well the last day when he came in.

Id say that the problems were at corner back at centre back.

Previous managers were playing guys out of position and trying to turn natural wing backs into corner backs which wasnt working for us.

Of course I believe Ger Cafferkey is the best option to solve the 6 problem. That is the obvious solution. It is his best position by far and it could change the dynamic considerably if he was played there. I have never been able to understand the mission to play him at 3. Understandable at county underage maybe because of his athleticism, pace and the limited choice but senior!...... it was just lazy. I would n t fret about full-back now. Not if the other back positions are sorted with likes of McLoughlin, Keith Higgins (who, with Ger, I would consider our best defenders at this time) etc. Keane, McHale, Feeney could well be a better option for 3 and the whole thing could come together. I d like to see a back line of Hallihan, Richie Feeney, McLoughlin, Higgins, Cafferkey,Burke picked together for a serious game to see. Not saying they re going to be/should be the select 6 but I d like to see them together. I d like to see 2 smart pacey footballing ciotógs with fast hands at 4 and 7. I d like to see the shackles off Higgins and Caff and let them do what comes natural to them. Run, break tackles and set up attacks. Two players who have not been allowed to develop their strengths. Neither ever came to attention in the first place because they were thick markers.
The problem Horan has with so many options and players out, and with Colleges, that his preferred team might take months to get on the pitch together. It is possible that McLoughglin and Burke will not be selected on the same team this year. If so, I would be a bit pissed off.
I hope Cathal Freeman is back to his best and will do himself justice at 11. It s a great selection by Horan and even if it is not a roaring success at first I hope Horan goes with his instincts on this one. We badly need an 11. To our cost it has seldom been taken seriously in this county. To his credit Horan has picked one of probably only two players who could do a proper job there - and the other one is a bit young yet.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 22, 2011, 07:19:09 PM
Very good points made their about the defence moysider. I'm not sure if Cafferkey would be the solution at 6 - merely because I have never seen him anywhere but 3. But it would make sense to try it. The options played thus far at 6 in the GMIT game and the selection for tomorrow are good players but I cannot see them at 6 come championship. Also re Keith Higgins, I'm just not sure about him on the wing. I mean he has shown the looks of a good wing-back from his corner-back raids but I think a good five needs to be a good distributor of the ball. Keith doesn't have that in his armoury. More of a ball carrier than a passer. I think it is interesting that Horan has picked him in the corner for his first game of the year. It shows a possible reluctance to move him from there.

Centre-half forward - I think we have a lot of options there. Alan Dillon, Aidan O'Shea would  be the two from last year I would have in mind. Cathal Freeman is a real option there too if he gets back to near his best - and we have to be patient in this regard. I'm guessing your other option for there is Micheál Forde?

I see Keith Higgins and Cathal Freeman were actually both in Ballyheane today with the Mayo hurlers. Keith played a half and Cathal was on the sideline. They will have a busy few months ahead, especially Cathal with U-21 as well and in college.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 22, 2011, 10:41:30 PM
Some good points made in the last two posts. I see where Moy is coming from regarding Cafferkey, and having him as a centre back may be an idea as he seems to have the makings. However Id also agree with R&GS as we have not seen enough of him so it could be best left alone.

I think our current strongest fullback line could look like this:
Hallinan - Cafferkey - Richie Feeney

However Richie is injured at the minute so I think that Keith Higgins could slot in there at corner back as he is proven and as was previously mentioned, I would also be unsure would he have the distribution and passing ability for wing back. All the previously mentioned players also have serious penetration and are all capable of bursting out of defence and working possession out.

As regards the half back line, its much harder to pick at the minute...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: southsider on January 23, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
stand out players versus roscommon in backline were killeen & higgins. killen marking shine and totally negated nullified him in second half. forwards - freeman, ronaldson and varley did well. freeman very intelligent use of ball. varley did well on a serious roscommon corner back and ronaldson was his usual busy and productive self.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
Quote from: southsider on January 23, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
stand out players versus roscommon in backline were killeen & higgins. killen marking shine and totally negated nullified him in second half. forwards - freeman, ronaldson and varley did well. freeman very intelligent use of ball. varley did well on a serious roscommon corner back and ronaldson was his usual busy and productive self.
I think the performance of Killeen is being somewhat exaggerated. Bearing in mind the whole defence, Killeen included, had a bad first half, and Donal Shine did not play the last quarter due to injury, Killeen had the better of him for at most 10 or 15 minutes of the game.
As I said in the other thread, he did do some full back duties very well, but made just as many mistakes. He had potential, but still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 27, 2011, 12:27:40 AM
Looks like Horan has to pick a 30 man panel for NFL and is going to do so next week. Croke Park regulations I suppose. I wonder is it revisable during the campaign. I recall Horan saying that he was keeping the panel open ended. He still has a hell of a job paring it back to 30 at this stage. Anybody care to pick their 30? We ll wait until after the Leitrim match on Sunday?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 27, 2011, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2011, 12:27:40 AM
Looks like Horan has to pick a 30 man panel for NFL and is going to do so next week. Croke Park regulations I suppose. I wonder is it revisable during the campaign. I recall Horan saying that he was keeping the panel open ended. He still has a hell of a job paring it back to 30 at this stage. Anybody care to pick their 30? We ll wait until after the Leitrim match on Sunday?

I'd do well to pick fifteen definites thus far. Will be hard to cut it back that much so far. Look at the two fifteens that have started so far, add in Peadar Gardiner, Alan Dillon, Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLoughlin, Robert Hennelly, Aidan O'Shea, Alan Freeman, Tom Cunniffe, Shane Nally, Tom Parsons, Donie Vaughan, Seamie O'Shea, Jason Gibbons, Pat Harte, the Mortimers, Liam O'Malley etc. I'm not saying all of these should be in but they are in consideration, will be very hard to trim this extended panel. Maybe the Under 21 campaign will help him out in a few cases?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 27, 2011, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 27, 2011, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2011, 12:27:40 AM
Looks like Horan has to pick a 30 man panel for NFL and is going to do so next week. Croke Park regulations I suppose. I wonder is it revisable during the campaign. I recall Horan saying that he was keeping the panel open ended. He still has a hell of a job paring it back to 30 at this stage. Anybody care to pick their 30? We ll wait until after the Leitrim match on Sunday?

I'd do well to pick fifteen definites thus far. Will be hard to cut it back that much so far. Look at the two fifteens that have started so far, add in Peadar Gardiner, Alan Dillon, Neil Douglas, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLoughlin, Robert Hennelly, Aidan O'Shea, Alan Freeman, Tom Cunniffe, Shane Nally, Tom Parsons, Donie Vaughan, Seamie O'Shea, Jason Gibbons, Pat Harte, the Mortimers, Liam O'Malley etc. I'm not saying all of these should be in but they are in consideration, will be very hard to trim this extended panel. Maybe the Under 21 campaign will help him out in a few cases?

Has Pat Harte not a cruciate knee ligament injury since late august? Id say you can take him off that list.
Also I dont think Liam O Malley has togged for any team this year due to injury so I dont think he is in contention.
I could say the same for Parsons as he is supposedly injured too.
Is Robert Hennelly playing Sigerson with anyone? Id say Clarke and O Malley have the position between the sticks wrapped up.
Donal Vaughan has a groin injury (Gilmore groin) and needs an operation, cant see him back for the NFL.
Trevour Mortimor is travelling in India/Asia AFAIA and Connor has a cruciate knee injury so that cuts your list down a bit.
Also I hear Shane Nally isnt making his Sigerson team.

Id say the list of guys in contention looks like this:

Peadar Gardiner
Alan Dillon
Neil Douglas
Jason Doherty
Kevin McLoughlin
Aidan O'Shea
Alan Freeman
Tom Cunniffe
Seamie O'Shea
Jason Gibbons
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 27, 2011, 10:50:44 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2011, 12:27:40 AM
Looks like Horan has to pick a 30 man panel for NFL and is going to do so next week. Croke Park regulations I suppose. I wonder is it revisable during the campaign. I recall Horan saying that he was keeping the panel open ended. He still has a hell of a job paring it back to 30 at this stage. Anybody care to pick their 30? We ll wait until after the Leitrim match on Sunday?

Ok Moy, im having a slow morning at work so here is my tuppence worth...

Note: We have yet to see Jason Gibbons, Kevin Keane(?) and a couple more in action, and we have yet to see how the team against Leitrim performs at the weekend.

However, in a panel of 30 I think the management would be looking at having 12 backs, 12 forwards, 4 midfielders and 2 keepers.

They should also keep about 6 players outside of the 30 involved for training games and backup that would be close to the panel.

I also think we could see a couple of additions to the panel before the championship, with guys coming back from injury, and others being dropped or getting injured and things like that.

But just judging by what we have seen so far, and using my own judgement on a couple of players (like Jason Gibbons and Richie Feeney), I think the panel could be shaping up as follows:

(panel of 30, numbered in no particular order. About 9-10 additions from last year)

Strong Possibilities
1. David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
2. Kenneth O'Malley (Ballinrobe)

3. Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
4. Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites)
5. Cathal Hallinan (Ballintubber)
6. Richie Feeney (Castlebar)
7. Trevor Howley (Knockmore)
8. Peadar Gardiner (Crossmolina)
9. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
10. James Burke (Ballymun)
11.
12.
13.
14.

15. Ronan McGarrity (Ballina Stephenites)
16. Jason Gibbons (Ballintubber)
17. James Kilcullen (Ballaghaderreen)
18.

19. Aidan Campbell (Swinford)
20. Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
21. Alan Dillon (Ballintubber)
22. Enda Varley (Garrymore)
23. Mark Ronaldson (Shrule Glencorrib)
24. Neil Douglas (Castlebar)
25. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
26. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
27. Alan Freeman (Aughamore)
28. Aidan Kilcoyne (Knockmore)
29. Cillian O Connor (Ballintubber)
30. Cathal Freeman (Aghamore)


Possibilities
Seamie O'Shea (Breaffy)
Barry Moran (Castlebar Mitchels)
James Moran (Burrishoole)
David Killeen (Ballinrobe)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Alan Feeney (Castlebar Mitchels)
Michael Nestor (Ballintubber)
Tom Cunniffe (Castlebar Mitchels)
Ruaidhri O Connor (Ballintubber)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe) (inj?)
Austin O'Malley (Dublin)


Maybes
Robert Hennelly (Breaffy)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Eoghan Reilly (Castlebar)
Andrew Farrell (Killala)
Brian Benson (Crossmolina)
Ian Rowland (Crossmolina)
Kevin Keane (Westport)


Maybe Not's
Kevin Dolan (Tourmakeady) (inj?)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown) (inj?)
Liam O Malley (Burrishoole) (inj)
Connor Mortimor (Shrule Glencorrib) (inj?)
Trevor Mortimor (Shrule Glencorrib) (away?)



[ if I blatantly left anyone out its not deliberate, the above is off the top of my head and would be very subject to change ]
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 27, 2011, 02:23:16 PM
Interesting list AbbeySider. I'll opt out of picking right now because it is hard to know what some players circumstances are (I don't know when Trevor Mort is back and what the full story is with his brother, for instance). But when you throw in all the names we have so far, there are gonna be a lot of disappointed people not making the cut who will not be far away from it at all. There is little doubt there are plenty of panel level footballers in Mayo, the next test for management is finding out how many new players are good enough to be of starting fifteen standard.

Regarding Robert Hennelly, he was sub to Donegal's Michael Boyle at DCU afaik. Maybe I would say this but he would be well ahead of Kenny O'Malley for me, who didn't have an exceptional performance on Sunday last. But, like I said before, the Under 21 championship could be a convenient get-out clause on him and a few more.

Does Horan have to pick his thirty because of Croke Park instructions? Because that is the only reason I can see him doing it at this stage, very early for a lot of the new lads who are borderline to be either in or out.

On Kevin Keane, he's playing with Sligo IT in the FBD. Parsons is on that panel too (Sligo) but is out with a groin injury. Seamie O'Shea and Donie Vaughan are both injured. Not sure for how long.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on January 27, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
What's going on here? We have too many forwards to choose from. You'd do well to pare any of the 12 that Abbeysider has listed and you must consider the two Morts are not available and Austy seems to be in contention too. S O Sé is another who played CHF last year and Pat Harte will be back at some stage.
It might be a sign that they are all good enough to a point but we have no outstanding talent.
In any case, Horan will have his work cut out keeping that lot motivated and involved.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Zulu on January 27, 2011, 04:48:39 PM
Why would you pick Austin O'Malley, or Trevor Mort? If, as seems to be the case, you have a lot of forwards of similar ability why pick older lads who have been shown to be shy of the necessary level to win All Irelands? Is it not time to be brave and bold here? Mayo won't win the All Ireland this year so why not go with younger players in the main, especially if the older alternatives aren't significantly better and let them grow together so that they might be able to challenge for the biggest prize in two or three years? That's not to say you are writing off the next two years but since you won't win one with O'Malley and Trev Mort in the front six why not have Cillian O'Connor, the Freeman's, Varley etc. battling for the places along with the better older players?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 27, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
What's going on here? We have too many forwards to choose from. You'd do well to pare any of the 12 that Abbeysider has listed and you must consider the two Morts are not available and Austy seems to be in contention too. S O Sé is another who played CHF last year and Pat Harte will be back at some stage.
It might be a sign that they are all good enough to a point but we have no outstanding talent.
In any case, Horan will have his work cut out keeping that lot motivated and involved.

Too many forwards to choose from. I'm nearly two score years roaming the Earth Chimley, old stock, and this is the first year in my memory that Mayo have had too many forwards to choose from.

Roll on the Down game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 27, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 27, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
What's going on here? We have too many forwards to choose from. You'd do well to pare any of the 12 that Abbeysider has listed and you must consider the two Morts are not available and Austy seems to be in contention too. S O Sé is another who played CHF last year and Pat Harte will be back at some stage.
It might be a sign that they are all good enough to a point but we have no outstanding talent.
In any case, Horan will have his work cut out keeping that lot motivated and involved.

My selections was just guessing and speculation so it could look very different when the time comes to pick a panel as we dont know how form is at training.

Im not sure the story with S O Shea's injury or when he will be back, but id like to see him included as he was one of our most consistent players through the league last year. I thought he was also very unlucky to get substituted against Sligo in the championship as I thought he was one of the better Mayo players that day. In fact, (R&GS will disagree) IMO with S O Shea's workrate around the middle, his tackling and brake winning ability he is a player that I would like to see tried at CHB, as he is a serious stopper but I doint think we will ever see it. It will take Harte a while to get right after a cruciate operation but he could make an appearance later in the season.

I wouldnt agree that the choice of forwards is indicating that we have no outstanding talent. All the forwards I named have got what it takes and are great players on their day. My only concern is that a couple of them are going too well for the time of year and could hold a false promise. What I mean is, some players being so fit and peaking this time of year while others (incl the opposition) are only getting fit may not be ideal as when the ground hardens up, and others catch up with fitness its possible that the Mayo forward line would look very different from what we will see in the NFL and FBD.

Also, when you think about it, having so many players playing Sigerson is not always the ideal either. Its a very, very long year for some players who would have had a very hard winters training with their colleges, followed by a hard late winter / early spring training with the county, followed by a hard early to mid summer training again with the county. I know that kind of thing takes its toll on the body, and it something I have heard from players as well as read from the likes of Andy Moran about just being burnt out and feeling tired when you should be peaking.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 27, 2011, 05:07:02 PM
AbbeySider, I wouldn't necessarily disagree about Seamie O'Shea at chb, but it would be a position he hasn't played in before and would require a marking role that he hasn't always had to contend with. Anyway, interesting to see Ger Caff picked at six for Sunday. Mayo team below. Moysider has had his way  :P

Mayo Team as follows:


1)   Kenneth O'Malley   Ballinrobe
2)   Cathal Hallinan   Ballintubber
3)   Alan Feeney   Castlebar Mitchels
4)   Richie Feeney   Castlebar Mitchels
5)   Chris Barrett   Belmullet
6)   Ger Cafferkey   Ballina Stephenites
7)   James Burke   Ballymun Kickhams
8   Jason Gibbons   Ballintubber
9)   James Moran   Burrishoole
10)   Aidan Campbell   Swinford
11)   Austin O'Malley   St. Vincents
12)   Andy Moran (Capt.)   Ballaghaderreen
13)   Aidan Kilcoyne   Knockmore
14)   Alan Freeman   Aghamore
15)   Brian Benson   Crossmolina
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on January 27, 2011, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 27, 2011, 04:56:42 PM

I wouldnt agree that the choice of forwards is indicating that we have no outstanding talent. All the forwards I named have got what it takes and are great players on their day. My only concern is that a couple of them are going too well for the time of year and could hold a false promise. What I mean is, some players being so fit and peaking this time of year while others (incl the opposition) are only getting fit may not be ideal as when the ground hardens up, and others catch up with fitness its possible that the Mayo forward line would look very different from what we will see in the NFL and FBD.

Also, when you think about it, having so many players playing Sigerson is not always the ideal either. Its a very, very long year for some players who would have had a very hard winters training with their colleges, followed by a hard late winter / early spring training with the county, followed by a hard early to mid summer training again with the county. I know that kind of thing takes its toll on the body, and it something I have heard from players as well as read from the likes of Andy Moran about just being burnt out and feeling tired when you should be peaking.
I have to say you are getting a bit carried away, some of the players have the potential to be very good but to say at this stage they have what it tales and on their day they will be 'great' is pushing it.
Title: Castlebar
Post by: No1 on January 27, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
Sorry to intrude boys and a wee bit off topic but...................

There are a few of us heading down to Castlebar next Saturday for the Down game, best pubs for pre and post match pints??  Plenty of decent sport on TV during the day aswell.

Down by 4 by the way, yiz are far too unsettled at the moment!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 27, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
Saturday and Saturday night will be a great day around Castlebar.

For pubs before the game I'd recommend Rocky's for whatever might be on TV and Mick Byrne's for a good crowd and football talk, and both will do what the other does best, but not to the same extent, if that makes sense. Afterwards, the same two will be lively as will Johnny McHales, BOSH, and Ray's. Ray's is a great football pub actually, it is run by the nephew of Mayo full-back of the 50/51 All-Ireland winning teams, Paddy Prendergast.

All of these are in the town and a ten minute walk from the ground. The Sportlann complex at McHale Park has a decent sized pub which is sure to be good both the hour before and the hour after the game, while the same might be said about Hogs Heaven across the road, beside the bowling alley.

What other games are on that day? On TV I mean.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 28, 2011, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 27, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
What's going on here? We have too many forwards to choose from. You'd do well to pare any of the 12 that Abbeysider has listed and you must consider the two Morts are not available and Austy seems to be in contention too. S O Sé is another who played CHF last year and Pat Harte will be back at some stage.
It might be a sign that they are all good enough to a point but we have no outstanding talent.
In any case, Horan will have his work cut out keeping that lot motivated and involved.

Too many forwards to choose from. I'm nearly two score years roaming the Earth Chimley, old stock, and this is the first year in my memory that Mayo have had too many forwards to choose from.

Roll on the Down game.

We may have too many forwards to choose from but as your tone suggests, when push comes to shove, we might not have any forwards at all. Horan has options as well as problems all over the field. At the moment we have a multitude of players impressing for places. What we dont need again is a Summer team of individuals playing as individuals trying to hold on to a jersey. He needs to identify the better options for positions and let his coaching mould them into a proper team  - and to hell with public and press opinion, who will probably gape that yer man is not picked - and get on with it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 28, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 28, 2011, 12:24:23 AM

We may have too many forwards to choose from but as your tone suggests, when push comes to shove, we might not have any forwards at all. Horan has options as well as problems all over the field. At the moment we have a multitude of players impressing for places. What we dont need again is a Summer team of individuals playing as individuals trying to hold on to a jersey. He needs to identify the better options for positions and let his coaching mould them into a proper team  - and to hell with public and press opinion, who will probably gape that yer man is not picked - and get on with it.

This is the point I was making earlier and it was with regard to the overall team but can apply in particular to the forwards. Because of the size of our county we are probably going to have a good amount of players of a decent standard (and to Horan's credit he has found a few more players not previously given much of a chance). The challenge for him now is to see if any of these players are capable of handling another step up or two. For every one Alan Dillon we find, we seem to have another ten Austies. It will be very interesting to see how many of the newbies find that transition. And, as you say moysider, it is key to start building a team fairly soon. Getting the balance right between giving everyone a fair crack of the whip (not everyone plays well in January) and building towards his optimum fifteen and guys that can do jobs for his preferred system is a fine line. I wish him luck.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 28, 2011, 07:24:07 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 27, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
Saturday and Saturday night will be a great day around Castlebar.

For pubs before the game I'd recommend Rocky's for whatever might be on TV and Mick Byrne's for a good crowd and football talk, and both will do what the other does best, but not to the same extent, if that makes sense. Afterwards, the same two will be lively as will Johnny McHales, BOSH, and Ray's. Ray's is a great football pub actually, it is run by the nephew of Mayo full-back of the 50/51 All-Ireland winning teams, Paddy Prendergast.

All of these are in the town and a ten minute walk from the ground. The Sportlann complex at McHale Park has a decent sized pub which is sure to be good both the hour before and the hour after the game, while the same might be said about Hogs Heaven across the road, beside the bowling alley.

What other games are on that day? On TV I mean.

Armagh v Dublin that night. Kerry v Cork will probably be televised on the Sunday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: No1 on January 28, 2011, 10:34:09 PM
QuoteWhat other games are on that day? On TV I mean.

Italy V Ireland in the Six Nations at half 2 then Mick McCarthy, Kevin Doyle and Stephen Hunt are up against Man Utd at half 5.  A friend had also mentioned Rockys for the sport on the big screens so I think we'll start there!

Thanks for the suggestions RedandGreenSniper.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 28, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
Meanwhile I'll be in the TF for the day attending a GAA course.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Peter Solan the Great on January 30, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 28, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
Meanwhile I'll be in the TF for the day attending a GAA course.

Fair play. Its about time you learned the basics. In suggestion to the Down lad you'd be better off heading to Westport. 10 times the town. Castlebar is a Garrison town all big soccer heads there there not much of a GAA town at all.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 30, 2011, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on January 30, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 28, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
Meanwhile I'll be in the TF for the day attending a GAA course.

Fair play. Its about time you learned the basics. In suggestion to the Down lad you'd be better off heading to Westport. 10 times the town. Castlebar is a Garrison town all big soccer heads there there not much of a GAA town at all.

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Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Cosmo Kramer on January 30, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on January 27, 2011, 10:50:44 AM

Strong Possibilities
1. David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
2. Kenneth O'Malley (Ballinrobe)

3. Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
4. Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites)
5. Cathal Hallinan (Ballintubber)
6. Richie Feeney (Castlebar)
7. Trevor Howley (Knockmore)
8. Peadar Gardiner (Crossmolina)
9. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
10. James Burke (Ballymun)
11. Alan Feeney (Castlebar)
12. Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
13. David Killeen (Ballinrobe)
14. Kevin Keane (Westport)

15. Ronan McGarrity (Ballina Stephenites)
16. Jason Gibbons (Ballintubber)
17. James Kilcullen (Ballaghaderreen)
18. Barry Moran (Castlebar)

19. Aidan Campbell (Swinford)
20. Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
21. Alan Dillon (Ballintubber)
22. Enda Varley (Garrymore)
23. Mark Ronaldson (Shrule Glencorrib)
24. Neil Douglas (Castlebar)
25. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
26. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
27. Alan Freeman (Aughamore)
28. Aidan Kilcoyne (Knockmore)
29. Cillian O Connor (Ballintubber)
30. Cathal Freeman (Aghamore)

Abbeysider, I'd generally agree with the names you have picked and I've added a few in myself to have a guess at what I think the 30 will be. I have picked it based on the Morts, Harte, SOS, Vaughan and Parsons being injured or unavailable. I have no idea whether Kevin Keane is on Horan's radar or not but if he is then he may get a pick so I stuck him in. If not there might be room for someone like Ruairi O'Connor. Surprised you had Barrett way down in the maybes, I'd have thought he'd be a cert for the 30 - a very tidy player IMO. Austin O'Malley seems to be getting a serious amount of gametime in the FBD so Horan may have him more in mind than I would, but then I'm not sure which of the above forwards he'd drop to fit him in? Will be very interesting to see the 30 selected ahead of next Saturday night.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on January 31, 2011, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on January 30, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
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11. Alan Feeney (Castlebar)
12. Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
13. David Killeen (Ballinrobe)
14. Kevin Keane (Westport)
...
18. Barry Moran (Castlebar)
...
Abbeysider, I'd generally agree with the names you have picked and I've added a few in myself to have a guess at what I think the 30 will be. I have picked it based on the Morts, Harte, SOS, Vaughan and Parsons being injured or unavailable. I have no idea whether Kevin Keane is on Horan's radar or not but if he is then he may get a pick so I stuck him in. If not there might be room for someone like Ruairi O'Connor. Surprised you had Barrett way down in the maybes, I'd have thought he'd be a cert for the 30 - a very tidy player IMO. Austin O'Malley seems to be getting a serious amount of gametime in the FBD so Horan may have him more in mind than I would, but then I'm not sure which of the above forwards he'd drop to fit him in? Will be very interesting to see the 30 selected ahead of next Saturday night.

Good man Cosmo, I wouldnt disagree with your selections there either. Kevin Keane is playing with Sligo IT so I think perhaps he could be in mind or in contention along the spine of the defence as I dont think those positions are fully sorted yet. We haven't really sorted centre back, Ger Caff didnt really look as comfortable there yesterday so I wonder how Keane would do? Keane is obviously an option at full back but after yesterday I dont know if Cafferkey is suited to CB so its a bit of a conundrum.

I had Barrett down as a maybe as im not convinced by him yet. Against GMIT he had a poor game and today, although improved, he still wasnt fantastic and didnt stand out. He had some good spells and worked hard but im not sure if that is enough as sometimes he gives away possession and im not sure if he is big enough to stop players coming though. In picking the players I picked, I included guys that I would trust and wouldnt be afraid to play against good opposition so in that respect I left him as a maybe. But maybe I shouldnt be so harsh and critical of a player in January, he could well prove me wrong and I hope he does.

Regarding Austy its hard to tell. He did Ok today in fairness and sprayed the ball about well from CF. It suits him a bit better out there as he is facing the posts and doesnt have to win 50-50s or turn as much to go for a score.

Horan and the rest of the management have a lot of big decisions to make this week.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: INDIANA on January 31, 2011, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 27, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
What's going on here? We have too many forwards to choose from. You'd do well to pare any of the 12 that Abbeysider has listed and you must consider the two Morts are not available and Austy seems to be in contention too. S O Sé is another who played CHF last year and Pat Harte will be back at some stage.
It might be a sign that they are all good enough to a point but we have no outstanding talent.
In any case, Horan will have his work cut out keeping that lot motivated and involved.

Too many forwards to choose from. I'm nearly two score years roaming the Earth Chimley, old stock, and this is the first year in my memory that Mayo have had too many forwards to choose from.

Roll on the Down game.

A classic sign of having a lot of good footballers and no outstanding ones.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 31, 2011, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 31, 2011, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 27, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
What's going on here? We have too many forwards to choose from. You'd do well to pare any of the 12 that Abbeysider has listed and you must consider the two Morts are not available and Austy seems to be in contention too. S O Sé is another who played CHF last year and Pat Harte will be back at some stage.
It might be a sign that they are all good enough to a point but we have no outstanding talent.
In any case, Horan will have his work cut out keeping that lot motivated and involved.

Too many forwards to choose from. I'm nearly two score years roaming the Earth Chimley, old stock, and this is the first year in my memory that Mayo have had too many forwards to choose from.

Roll on the Down game.

A classic sign of having a lot of good footballers and no outstanding ones.


Maybe. Hard to argue with that at this stage. However if management get the selection and get the forwards playing as a unit rather than the usual bullshit we ve been used to then I think our forwards can surprise a few people this year. We ll know a lot more soon enough about how things are going to pan out.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Cosmo Kramer on February 01, 2011, 08:02:43 PM
Just had a listen to the James Horan interview with Colm Gannon of the Advertiser there, he continues to impress with his approach and gameplan and you don't feel as though you're getting the old neutral political spiel that JOM was coming out with in previous years.

He made a big deal about the Senior/U21 challenge game tonight, I don't suppose anyone here is/was at it and can report back? Said he would name his team and squad for Down after tonights match, but I presume he didn't mean announce it tonight rather that he would announce it later in the week but tonights game would be key to some selections.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on February 02, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Anyone hear anything about the game between the u21s and seniors last night?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: spuds on February 02, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
From Mayo gaa on Bookface

QuoteMayo Senior Football Team, starting 15 to face Down in Allianz Football League Opener:
1) Kenneth O'Malley, 2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Cathal Hallinan, 4) Keith Higgins, 5) Richie Feeney, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin, 8) Ronan McGarrity, 9) Jason Gibbons, 10) Andy Moran, 11) Aidan O'Shea, 12) Alan Dillon, 13) Enda Varley, 14) Alan Freeman, 15) Mark Ronaldson.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 02, 2011, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: spuds on February 02, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
From Mayo gaa on Bookface

QuoteMayo Senior Football Team, starting 15 to face Down in Allianz Football League Opener:
1) Kenneth O'Malley, 2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Cathal Hallinan, 4) Keith Higgins, 5) Richie Feeney, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin, 8) Ronan McGarrity, 9) Jason Gibbons, 10) Andy Moran, 11) Aidan O'Shea, 12) Alan Dillon, 13) Enda Varley, 14) Alan Freeman, 15) Mark Ronaldson.

Hmm.........will the back 6 actually line out like that or am I too used to Johnno's switches?

Nice team though. Halilinan, Feeney, Gibbons and Varley get their chance while Ronnie, Ronan McG, Alan Freeman, Tom Cunniffe and co get to start the Horan era in the jersey. Presumably if they deliver they will hang onto those jerseys.

As an aside, are the rumours regarding Conor Mort being out for the season true? Big loss no matter what anyone says.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 02, 2011, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 02, 2011, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: spuds on February 02, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
From Mayo gaa on Bookface

QuoteMayo Senior Football Team, starting 15 to face Down in Allianz Football League Opener:
1) Kenneth O'Malley, 2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Cathal Hallinan, 4) Keith Higgins, 5) Richie Feeney, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin, 8) Ronan McGarrity, 9) Jason Gibbons, 10) Andy Moran, 11) Aidan O'Shea, 12) Alan Dillon, 13) Enda Varley, 14) Alan Freeman, 15) Mark Ronaldson.

Hmm.........will the back 6 actually line out like that or am I too used to Johnno's switches?

Nice team though. Halilinan, Feeney, Gibbons and Varley get their chance while Ronnie, Ronan McG, Alan Freeman, Tom Cunniffe and co get to start the Horan era in the jersey. Presumably if they deliver they will hang onto those jerseys.

As an aside, are the rumours regarding Conor Mort being out for the season true? Big loss no matter what anyone says.

Its reported that he is getting a cruciate operation on his knee and will be out for the year. I think he is a loss too.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on February 02, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 02, 2011, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: spuds on February 02, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
From Mayo gaa on Bookface

QuoteMayo Senior Football Team, starting 15 to face Down in Allianz Football League Opener:
1) Kenneth O'Malley, 2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Cathal Hallinan, 4) Keith Higgins, 5) Richie Feeney, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin, 8) Ronan McGarrity, 9) Jason Gibbons, 10) Andy Moran, 11) Aidan O'Shea, 12) Alan Dillon, 13) Enda Varley, 14) Alan Freeman, 15) Mark Ronaldson.

Hmm.........will the back 6 actually line out like that or am I too used to Johnno's switches?

Nice team though. Halilinan, Feeney, Gibbons and Varley get their chance while Ronnie, Ronan McG, Alan Freeman, Tom Cunniffe and co get to start the Horan era in the jersey. Presumably if they deliver they will hang onto those jerseys.

As an aside, are the rumours regarding Conor Mort being out for the season true? Big loss no matter what anyone says.

The C Mort story is more than a rumour muppet - he's definitely out. He even gave an interview to the Indo about it a few days ago. He's a loss alright, but it will have far less of an impact this year than say 4 years ago. I don't think people will be thinking to themselves "If only we had Conor Mort, it would have been a different result".

The defensive line-up is very interesting - not sure if it will line-out like that, will have to wait until Sat evening to be sure.
Hallinan has played at corner-back in the games up to now (apart from a few mins at the end of the Ros match). It's a massive vote of confidence in him by Horan if he starts at FB. But he's a real defender - doesn't give his man an inch, and is well capable of dispossessing.
I don't think I've ever seen Tom Cunniffe at corner-back, possibly a switch between himself and Richie Feeney on the cards there. Ger Caff has another chance to show what he can do at CHB, hope Moysider's opinion is shown to be true!

Delighted to see Jason Gibbons in midfield alongside McGarrity. Think that could be an excellent pairing. Two good fielders, and both able to kick a ball. Possibly not great at the breaking ball, but we'll see.

The front six looks very strong. Andy Moran possibly a bit lucky to get the start on the wing - Campbell/Kilcoyne/C Freeman would all have been looking to start in that line.
I really like the inside forward line. Varley and Ronaldson will run all day, making themselves available for fast ball. Freeman can win the high ball or break it down to the other two.

There really is an awful lot to make you look forward to Sat night!

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on February 02, 2011, 03:05:41 PM

I think they will line out like that, as I think it is a "horses for courses" selection.  Marty Clarke usually lines out at 15 but plays as a roving extra half forward. Conniffe will follow him leaving Higgins and Hallinan to pick up the two Down forwards left inside, Coulter and A.N.Other (probably John Clarke or Ronan Murtagh)

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on February 02, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 03:05:41 PM

I think they will line out like that, as I think it is a "horses for courses" selection.  Marty Clarke usually lines out at 15 but plays as a roving extra half forward. Conniffe will follow him leaving Higgins and Hallinan to pick up the two Down forwards left inside, Coulter and A.N.Other (probably John Clarke or Ronan Murtagh)

Very good, Cunniffe marked him in the 2005 minor final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on February 02, 2011, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 02, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 03:05:41 PM

I think they will line out like that, as I think it is a "horses for courses" selection.  Marty Clarke usually lines out at 15 but plays as a roving extra half forward. Conniffe will follow him leaving Higgins and Hallinan to pick up the two Down forwards left inside, Coulter and A.N.Other (probably John Clarke or Ronan Murtagh)

Very good, Cunniffe marked him in the 2005 minor final.
This game could also be an opportunity for Aidan O'Sé to renew an acquittance with Peter Fitzpatrick who made him look ordinary in the 2009 All-Ireland U21 semi-final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 02, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 02, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 03:05:41 PM

I think they will line out like that, as I think it is a "horses for courses" selection.  Marty Clarke usually lines out at 15 but plays as a roving extra half forward. Conniffe will follow him leaving Higgins and Hallinan to pick up the two Down forwards left inside, Coulter and A.N.Other (probably John Clarke or Ronan Murtagh)

Very good, Cunniffe marked him in the 2005 minor final.

And Cunniffe did reasonably well on him that day too. Good point westernexile. C Mort is a loss in a lot of ways. Lads might question his team ethic etc but I saw on The Mayo News that he has scored 14-359 for Mayo. Serious going. I'm not sure that he'd be a definite starter this year but I'd be confident that he would only start if he played as part of a forward unit, otherwise Horan would drop him. Given that assumption, he's a big loss to Horan. Incredible that he was playing for a few years with no cruciate in his left knee.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: southsider on February 02, 2011, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 02, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 03:05:41 PM

I think they will line out like that, as I think it is a "horses for courses" selection.  Marty Clarke usually lines out at 15 but plays as a roving extra half forward. Conniffe will follow him leaving Higgins and Hallinan to pick up the two Down forwards left inside, Coulter and A.N.Other (probably John Clarke or Ronan Murtagh)

Very good, Cunniffe marked him in the 2005 minor final.

Alot can happen in 5 years!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 16, 2011, 09:58:26 PM

Swinford's Colin Dempsey got good reviews from the U21 match v Cork at the weekend. What do we know about him? How good is he and can he break into the senior set up sooner than later?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 18, 2011, 12:00:18 AM
Quote from: moysider on February 16, 2011, 09:58:26 PM

Swinford's Colin Dempsey got good reviews from the U21 match v Cork at the weekend. What do we know about him? How good is he and can he break into the senior set up sooner than later?

Whoaa says Dan! Early doors yet. He is a big, strong ball winner. Not terribly mobile if I recall correctly. Might make the Under 21 starting team but there's not a lot of forwards available this year. He hasn't played any county ball before this year as far as I know.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on February 18, 2011, 02:37:48 PM
I read somewhere that we shipped 17 points from play against Cork. Doesn't sound promising for a bunch of players that got to 2 minor finals and should have been 3.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 18, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 16, 2011, 09:58:26 PM

Swinford's Colin Dempsey got good reviews from the U21 match v Cork at the weekend. What do we know about him? How good is he and can he break into the senior set up sooner than later?

Based on one performance on a team that got hammered by 17 points? Its a bit premature Moy!

Is there a GAA Board version of being frapped in the facebook sense?  ;)
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Post by: moysider on February 18, 2011, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 18, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 16, 2011, 09:58:26 PM

Swinford's Colin Dempsey got good reviews from the U21 match v Cork at the weekend. What do we know about him? How good is he and can he break into the senior set up sooner than later?

Based on one performance on a team that got hammered by 17 points? Its a bit premature Moy!

Is there a GAA Board version of being frapped in the facebook sense?  ;)

They only lost by a point. Just wonderin about this guy? Never say him play but he was very impressive by all accounts. Sniper reckons that he is a big strong ball winner but not very mobile while a clubman of his tells me he is medium sized and fast?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 18, 2011, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 18, 2011, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 18, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 16, 2011, 09:58:26 PM

Swinford's Colin Dempsey got good reviews from the U21 match v Cork at the weekend. What do we know about him? How good is he and can he break into the senior set up sooner than later?

Based on one performance on a team that got hammered by 17 points? Its a bit premature Moy!

Is there a GAA Board version of being frapped in the facebook sense?  ;)

They only lost by a point. Just wonderin about this guy? Never say him play but he was very impressive by all accounts. Sniper reckons that he is a big strong ball winner but not very mobile while a clubman of his tells me he is medium sized and fast?

I'm relying on second hand info from the Cork game and my own recollection of him when he was minor. Maybe the clubman is right. If so I might need a trip to the doc's!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on February 19, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 18, 2011, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 18, 2011, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 18, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 16, 2011, 09:58:26 PM

Swinford's Colin Dempsey got good reviews from the U21 match v Cork at the weekend. What do we know about him? How good is he and can he break into the senior set up sooner than later?

Based on one performance on a team that got hammered by 17 points? Its a bit premature Moy!

Is there a GAA Board version of being frapped in the facebook sense?  ;)

They only lost by a point. Just wonderin about this guy? Never say him play but he was very impressive by all accounts. Sniper reckons that he is a big strong ball winner but not very mobile while a clubman of his tells me he is medium sized and fast?

I'm relying on second hand info from the Cork game and my own recollection of him when he was minor. Maybe the clubman is right. If so I might need a trip to the doc's!

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 20, 2011, 09:26:12 AM
The Mayo GAA Strategic Action Plan was launched last night. A very interesting document which, if passed, I think can change Mayo GAA much for the better.

Some of the key outcomes include:

a independent and professional financial review to be undertaken which will review the financial dealings of 2008-2010 in order to formulate a five year financial plan.

a full-time, paid director of football coaching be created to develop an overall coaching strategy, among many other things. Position to be filled by open interview.

A full-time, paid Commercial Director be appointed which will have overall responsibility for day to day management for the commercial, financial, fundraising and marketing activities of Mayo GAA.

That a Mayo Gaelic Football Academey be established for the high potential players in the 18-22 age-group.

To activate a worldwide Mayo GAA supporters club to harness the goodwill beyond the county.

The report is very thorough and it looks like a lot of good work has went into it. The County Board are believed to be hostile towards it, mainly because, I would say, their financial dealings of the last two years might be examined (not that anything corrupt happened, but I think it could show how haphazzard affairs were. The clubs of the county have two weeks to discuss this before their delegates vote on it at the next meeting of the county board. If any club really cares about the future of the game in the county, then I suggest that they have a full meeting to discuss the document because now is the time to act.

I've a copy of the document. If anyone wants one, PM me and I'll mail it on.

EDIT: I see the great Willie Joe has put the report on an online link for anyone that wants to view it. Link is http://www.box.net/shared/c620qpvvyt
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Post by: REDCOL on February 20, 2011, 09:56:07 AM
Good to see the report printed, interesting to note half the clubs in the county did not bother to cooperate with the committee. It shows a sense of apathy towards the whole project, hopefully some good points will be taken on board and acted upon. From first reading it seems to have a huge focus on finances, and very little on rural depopulation. They are a liitle frustrated by the lack of information given on finance by the county board.
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Post by: Chimley on February 21, 2011, 04:06:44 PM
Oneof the key recommendations is to open up to review 'line by line' the financial records for Mayo for 2008-2010. Can't see that coming to pass.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 22, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
Did the county panel get another trimming last week?

I think (stand to correction on this) that Kenneth O Malley, James Moran and David Killeen may have been cut.
I know that Cathal Freeman left the senior panel of his own accord and was not involved for the Dublin game and I'm not sure that Barry Moran is involved either.

Does that leave Mayo with approximately 30 or so left for the remainder of the league?

I wonder will they keep a few guys 'warm' for training games with revolving door at the tail end of panels for injuries and such?

To my reckoning the following is how we are shaping up:

Robert Hennelly; David Clarke;
Tom Cunniffe, Chris Barrett, Keith Higgins; Cathal Hallinan, Alan Feeney,
Richie Feeney, Ger Cafferkey, Kevin McLoughlin; Padear Gardiner, James Burke, Ruaidhri O Connor, Lee Keegan, Trevor Howley
Ronan McGarrity, Tom Parsons; James Kilcullen, Jason Gibbons
Aidan Campbell, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Aidan O Shea
Aidan Kilcoyne, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Enda Varley, Neil Douglas, Mark Ronaldson, Cillian O'Connor


In my estimation, only Donal Vaughan and Seamus o Sé have a chance of breaking back onto the panel,
and maybe Pat Harte later in the season but I cant see it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: southsider on March 22, 2011, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 22, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
Did the county panel get another trimming last week?

I think (stand to correction on this) that Kenneth O Malley, James Moran and David Killeen may have been cut.
I know that Cathal Freeman left the senior panel of his own accord and was not involved for the Dublin game and I'm not sure that Barry Moran is involved either.

Does that leave Mayo with approximately 30 or so left for the remainder of the league?

I wonder will they keep a few guys 'warm' for training games with revolving door at the tail end of panels for injuries and such?


killeen, moran and o malley are cut. hard on killeen who i feel never got a right chance in match play - did nothing wrong in fbd and didn't get the oppotunities other backline players did. he had a better fbd than alan feeney

To my reckoning the following is how we are shaping up:

Robert Hennelly; David Clarke;
Tom Cunniffe, Chris Barrett, Keith Higgins; Cathal Hallinan, Alan Feeney,
Richie Feeney, Ger Cafferkey, Kevin McLoughlin; Padear Gardiner, James Burke, Ruaidhri O Connor, Lee Keegan, Trevor Howley
Ronan McGarrity, Tom Parsons; James Kilcullen, Jason Gibbons
Aidan Campbell, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Aidan O Shea
Aidan Kilcoyne, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Enda Varley, Neil Douglas, Mark Ronaldson, Cillian O'Connor


In my estimation, only Donal Vaughan and Seamus o Sé have a chance of breaking back onto the panel,
and maybe Pat Harte later in the season but I cant see it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on March 24, 2011, 12:31:04 AM
Why did C Freeman leave the panel?? Did reaonably ok in the games he played

Would K Keane get a look in later in the summer?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on March 24, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 24, 2011, 12:31:04 AM
Why did C Freeman leave the panel?? Did reaonably ok in the games he played

Would K Keane get a look in later in the summer?

Freeman left to concentrate on the U21 campaign I think
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2011, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 24, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 24, 2011, 12:31:04 AM
Why did C Freeman leave the panel?? Did reaonably ok in the games he played

Would K Keane get a look in later in the summer?

Freeman left to concentrate on the U21 campaign I think

Well surely he could rejoin now. Any update on Kevin Keane's injury?
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Post by: Farrandeelin on March 26, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
The Mayo minors lost by a point to Longford today in Ballyhaunis according to Mayo GAA on facebook Mayo 3-11 Longford 2-15. Fair play to Longford.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on March 28, 2011, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 26, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
The Mayo minors lost by a point to Longford today in Ballyhaunis according to Mayo GAA on facebook Mayo 3-11 Longford 2-15. Fair play to Longford.
That was in the Connacht Minor League http://www.connachtgaa.ie/news.php?s=fp&storyid=566  (http://www.connachtgaa.ie/news.php?s=fp&storyid=566)

However, Longford have also made the final of the Leinster Minor League where they will play Dublin.  So much for burnout of young players!
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Post by: muppet on June 13, 2011, 09:45:06 PM
At short notice I've found two potentially good defenders available for transfer immediately: Max Krippler (http://www.soccerway.com/players/max-krippler/46623/) and Mark De Man (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/mark-de-man/profil/spieler_9592.html)
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Post by: Stevie g 8 on July 31, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
Well done today.great performance
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Post by: JUst retired on August 01, 2011, 07:11:11 AM
Well done to Mayo yesterday. Great performance from your team. All the best in the semi final.
From an Armagh gael. :)
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Post by: the Deel Rover on August 20, 2011, 08:03:51 AM

The Great Mayo Myth


Friday August 19 2011

On 'The Sunday Game' last week, Tony Davis was asked for his assessment of Mayo ahead of this weekend's All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry. Davis' response was largely framed around presenter Des Cahill's first question as to whether he felt there were question marks around Mayo.

"There are always question marks around Mayo when it gets to this stage of the championship," said Davis. "Down the years, Mayo have always been a nice team, they're everybody's favourite second team. But they're losers. They've won absolutely nothing."

Davis did temper his comments with the observation that he had seen a different side to Mayo in their win over Cork before his co-analyst Kevin McStay joined the debate.

As a Mayo man, McStay said that he couldn't muster a sound defence against Davis' claim but he did state that only Kerry had a better record in All-Ireland semi-finals. McStay also said that Mayo were the only championship team in the last 15 years to have beaten the big four -- Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin and Cork.

Yet as McStay was finishing his argument, Davis tapped him on the arm: "When did Mayo last win an All-Ireland, Kevin? It's been 60 years."

Davis' viewpoint is the standard one but it's also always been the easy option when it comes to judging Mayo.

Terminal

Despite the perception, Mayo's ills have never been terminal. They have seriously underperformed in their last two All-Ireland senior finals in 2004 and '06 but their underage and club sides have always been ultra-competitive, which has kept the arteries to the county team pumping with fresh blood.

Their failure to win an All-Ireland for 60 years has eroded their status but when the health of the game in Mayo is properly screened, they're still in far better shape than most counties.

McStay's argument isn't new either. Four years ago, he had this to say: "In all grades of football, Mayo are in the top three counties in Ireland. But everything is coloured by the lack of an All-Ireland and you just can't get over not having an All-Ireland for that credibility. It's awful unfair but this big elephant in the room always gets in the way of giving Mayo credit."

That fact denies Mayo greater acknowledgment as a footballing county, but they've nearly done everything except win an All-Ireland.

Apart from Kerry, no other county has reached as many national finals at senior, minor, U-21 or club level over the last 20 years. Mayo have reached 23 finals in that timespan, four fewer than Kerry, the same number as Cork but six more than Tyrone, eight more than Galway, nine more than Dublin and Armagh and 13 more than Meath.

Although their strike-rate in finals is poor and is continually held against them, Mayo maintain a level of consistency at all levels that only Kerry and Cork can match.

Since the turn of the century, they've been the second most consistent league team in Division 1 -- behind Kerry -- with a win ratio of 64pc.

Before the All-Ireland quarter-final, much of the match preview was based on Cork's hammering of Mayo in the 2010 league final. However, the Mayo players were focusing on the positive statistics of having beaten Cork in four of their five previous league meetings.

Their level of regeneration has also been remarkable. Only two of the team from the '06 All-Ireland final start on Sunday -- compared to seven for Kerry -- while 11 of the 20 players they used against Cork three weeks ago didn't see any game time in last year's qualifier defeat to Longford.

In the last 20 years, Mayo are one of only seven counties to have had teams in senior, minor, U-21 and club All-Ireland finals. Yet Mayo are the only one of those seven counties not to win a senior All-Ireland in that timespan.

All-Irelands define everything. Comparisons with Galway are still what hurt Mayo the most, too. In terms of Connacht senior titles, there is virtually nothing between them: 44 to Galway, 43 to Mayo. On the All-Ireland roll of honour though, Galway tower above Mayo on a count of 9-3. Although Galway sides have reached eight fewer All-Ireland finals than Mayo at all levels over the last 20 years, Tribesmen teams have still won eight titles, four more than Mayo.

The Galway seniors haven't won a game at Croke Park -- in league or championship -- since the 2001 All-Ireland final, but that statistic would be deemed far more damning if Galway hadn't also won the All-Ireland three years previously.

"If you win an All-Ireland, no-one can damage you," said Conor Mortimer in 2006. "You see some Galway players and if they have a bad game, people will hold back on putting them down because they have that All-Ireland medal. But they can hang you once you don't have an All-Ireland."

Despite their booming club culture and the vibrancy of the game at all levels, not having an All-Ireland has intensified the focus from outside the county. Armagh and Tyrone had to deal with those same unfair jibes before 2002 and 2003, but an All-Ireland grants that dispensation.

When Down beat Mayo in the 1999 and 2005 All-Ireland minor finals, Mayo had to accept the historical logic that Down don't lose All-Ireland finals at Croke Park while Mayo can't win there in similar circumstances. Down may have reached last year's All-Ireland senior final but in the last 20 years, they have contested just eight national finals in all grades, 15 fewer than Mayo.

Since they won their last senior All-Ireland in '94, Down have played 56 championship games and have won just 25. Who is the superior footballing county in that modern context?

Mayo's quest for an All-Ireland is the great but unforgiving legacy left by John Maughan. When Maughan took over in '95, Mayo were languishing in Division 3 and had been hammered in that year's Connacht final by Galway.

All-Irelands were viewed as an unattainable goal back then but when Maughan took his team to consecutive All-Ireland finals in '96 and '97, Mayo broke through significant barriers. They became the first Connacht side to beat Munster opposition in 30 years and Leinster opposition in 24 years.

Maughan will always be associated with not being able to end the great famine.

Yet nobody was even talking about a "famine" before he arrived. They did reach an All-Ireland final in 1989 but Mayo hadn't even beaten Galway in a Connacht final since 1969. Winning All-Irelands wasn't even on the agenda until Maughan made it an aspiration again.

That famine stretches on but, while Mayo is a big county, no other county has been as ravaged by emigration since the 1950s. It is also conveniently forgotten that at no stage in recent memory have Mayo had the best football team in the country. They didn't have the forwards that Galway had between 1996-99 but they still beat their arch-rivals in three of those four seasons.

Indeed, the only occasion that Mayo probably had the best 15 in the country was in '99 when Cork beat them in the All-Ireland semi-final. The only hurdle they haven't been able to jump since has been Kerry and that's why the longing for an All-Ireland has become so acute.

At times, they have also crippled themselves with expectation. Mayo have won just four Connacht titles in the last 11 years yet every championship defeat seems to trigger mass recrimination and soul-searching.

It is easy to continually hammer Mayo football but they repeatedly keep coming back and fronting up to the challenge. They may not have won that elusive senior All-Ireland but they have consistently put themselves up there to be knocked down -- unlike a host of other more traditionally successful counties.

Generation

Although they've beaten the All-Ireland champions, if they don't win on Sunday it will be thrown at them that they can't win at Croke Park against Kerry. Yet Kerry have reached eight of the last 11 All-Ireland finals and this Kingdom side is probably the third greatest team of all time, only behind the Kerry of 1975-86 and the Down of the 1960s.

Just 13 months on from the vision of doom after last year's hammering by Sligo and their first-round qualifier exit to Longford, and just three months on from surviving extra-time against London, the eternal renaissance has kicked in again.

Despite all the harrowing disappointments, there has always been an essential optimism deep in the core of Mayo's collective football self. No matter what has happened to them in the past, they have always kept coming back.

The bottom line of winning a senior All-Ireland has become merciless and that's the brutal world Mayo inhabit. Yet they're still searching, always coming back for more. And they deserve immense credit for that.

- Christy O'Connor

Irish Independent


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: western exile on August 20, 2011, 10:37:39 AM
good man Christy.  At last someone in the media who concurs with what I have been preaching  for years, to anyone who would listen.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2011, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 20, 2011, 10:37:39 AM
good man Christy.  At last someone in the media who concurs with what I have been preaching  for years, to anyone who would listen.

My mother always buys the Star on Saturdays. I don't know why or anything, but my God the amount of lazy journalism stating the amount of times we lost to Kerry etc has done it for me. We have to teach those Kerrymen a lesson!
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Post by: 13aside on August 21, 2011, 11:38:32 AM
met a dub the other day and he told me hed be watching the match today to see who Dublin play in the final-typical
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2011, 10:23:29 PM
Surprised this hasn't been discussed, but James Horan has lost two of his backroom team for 2012. Martin Connolly and Paul Jordan have stepped aside. Willie Joe's Blog has this report.

Quote
This report in the Mayo News provides confirmation on the departure from James Horan's management team of both Martin Connolly and Paul Jordan who apparently announced that they were leaving last Friday when the senior management team met to carry out an end-of-season review. In Mike Finnerty's report Martin cited the onerous time commitment involved and he said that he couldn't put this kind of time in again next year. But then he went to make this rather cryptic remark:

Having been involved with teams as a player, a coach, and a manager, and through my work as a coaching tutor, and tutor trainer, I would have been used to being centrally involved in all aspects of how a team is prepared and how everything works. It's difficult then when you go into a role where you put in a huge amount of time but you don't have the same input in terms of decision-making.

From the sounds of that, it would appear that the amount of time the role was taking up may not have been the sole reason why Martin decided to step down.

It's a pity the lads are leaving after what was a good first year in the saddle for the management team as a whole. Their departure does, however, mean that James will now be able to freshen things up a bit on the sideline, even if the opportunity for him to do so is an enforced one.  Nonetheless it'll still be interesting to see what additions he makes to his backroom team in light of this development.
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Post by: nephinman on September 17, 2011, 12:18:51 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2011, 10:23:29 PM
Surprised this hasn't been discussed, but James Horan has lost two of his backroom team for 2012. Martin Connolly and Paul Jordan have stepped aside. Willie Joe's Blog has this report.

Quote
This report in the Mayo News provides confirmation on the departure from James Horan's management team of both Martin Connolly and Paul Jordan who apparently announced that they were leaving last Friday when the senior management team met to carry out an end-of-season review. In Mike Finnerty's report Martin cited the onerous time commitment involved and he said that he couldn't put this kind of time in again next year. But then he went to make this rather cryptic remark:

Having been involved with teams as a player, a coach, and a manager, and through my work as a coaching tutor, and tutor trainer, I would have been used to being centrally involved in all aspects of how a team is prepared and how everything works. It's difficult then when you go into a role where you put in a huge amount of time but you don't have the same input in terms of decision-making.

From the sounds of that, it would appear that the amount of time the role was taking up may not have been the sole reason why Martin decided to step down.

It's a pity the lads are leaving after what was a good first year in the saddle for the management team as a whole. Their departure does, however, mean that James will now be able to freshen things up a bit on the sideline, even if the opportunity for him to do so is an enforced one.  Nonetheless it'll still be interesting to see what additions he makes to his backroom team in light of this development.

Yep. Might seem like a good year for Mayo Football but not all peaches & cream. Bit of spin going on but with my humble ear to the ground since London game, I'd say a lot of meat in Connollys remark  ;)
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Post by: saffronandblue on September 17, 2011, 09:13:45 PM
I believe from what I hear that our manager can be fairly stubborn and slow to change.  When you are not involved directly then you only hear things second hand, which may not be all that reliable.  If some of the management team had problems with him, then it may follow that some of the players do as well.  I hope not......
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Post by: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 10:21:37 AM
I am hearing rumours that Andy Moran broke his leg over the weekend, any truth in it?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2011, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 10:21:37 AM
I am hearing rumours that Andy Moran broke his leg over the weekend, any truth in it?

Apparently so. I caught the sport headlines on MWR and he won't make the international rules panel because of it.
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Post by: Tubberman on September 19, 2011, 03:42:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2011, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 10:21:37 AM
I am hearing rumours that Andy Moran broke his leg over the weekend, any truth in it?

Apparently so. I caught the sport headlines on MWR and he won't make the international rules panel because of it.

Ah jesus, that's awful. He's had a fantastic year, terrible for that to happen.
Hope he makes a full and speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2011, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 10:21:37 AM
I am hearing rumours that Andy Moran broke his leg over the weekend, any truth in it?

Apparently so. I caught the sport headlines on MWR and he won't make the international rules panel because of it.

Must have happened at the Kilmacud 7's competition? Thats a shame... but at least he wont miss to much county / club action. A good rest and layoff could in fact do him good as he has a lot of miles clicked up in recent years. Hope he makes a full recovery.
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Post by: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 03:44:47 PM
Did I read somewhere that Donal Vaughan is close to the international rules squad? It might suit him, he is a great athlete and a serious ball carrier
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 19, 2011, 03:45:49 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 19, 2011, 03:44:47 PM
Did I read somewhere that Donal Vaughan is close to the international rules squad? It might suit him, he is a great athlete and a serious ball carrier

Yeah, himself and Andy were the two Mayo players called up. Not sure what stage the panel is at - doubt it's been finalised yet.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on September 20, 2011, 01:58:31 PM
38K a month to service the Interest  :o . Wow we really have a huge white elephant on our hands

Clubs and County Board clash over levies payment plans

Clubs and Board clash over levies payment plans


Edwin McGreal

CLUBS in Mayo are up in arms over Mayo GAA Board proposals that they be required to start paying their County Board levies next February — months before they start selling Mayo GAA Development Draw tickets — the only significant means of fund-raising for those same levies.
Last week's meeting of the County Board in Castlebar was told that if the Board don't get monthly payments to the banks from February onwards, to service the interest on the loan for the McHale Park redevelopment, they could be looking at a 'financial crisis' by March.
As a result, clubs were requested to pay their County Board levies in six monthly installments, starting in February, instead of paying a lump sum once they sell their quota of Development Draw tickets.
"We have to pay €38,000 a month to service the interest on the loan for McHale Park," County Board Treasurer JP Lambe told the meeting.
"There won't be any money from gates until June, and I know it may be hard on clubs but this is easier for them than us looking for the full amount in March, which is the alternative," warned Lambe.
"If the clubs don't sign up to this, we'll be in financial crisis by March. We would have to get rid of some of the coaches if we are not able to make the payments this way. We're only asking for enough to make repayments and keep teams well looked after."
However, a sizeable number of clubs objected to being asked to pay the levy before they sold any County Board tickets.
"Are you asking us to pay for tickets we haven't sold? The club won't have the money in the bank to pay," said Achill delegate Pakie McGinty. "Where are we going to get it from? Borrow it from the banks? It is impossible."
Ballinrobe delegate Alan Flannnery said the issue was a simple but unavoidable one, one cash flow for both GAA clubs and the County Board.
Despite initial opposition from the top table, a suggestion by Flannery that clubs discuss the possibility of staggering the payments into 12 monthly payments received some favour.
The matter was sent back to the clubs with Paddy McNicholas stressing that a decision would be needed by early October as the 12 monthly-payments option, if decided on, would have to commence in November, the start of the Board's financial year
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Post by: highorlow on September 27, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Quote38K a month to service the Interest   . Wow we really have a huge white elephant on our hands

How much did they have to borrow to build this stand? That's over 450k per annum.

It must be also the loan to build the centre of excellence? This place must be finished by now?

They need a few Bon Jovi concerts in Castlebar next summer by the looks of things!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 27, 2011, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Quote38K a month to service the Interest   . Wow we really have a huge white elephant on our hands

How much did they have to borrow to build this stand? That's over 450k per annum.

It must be also the loan to build the centre of excellence? This place must be finished by now?

They need a few Bon Jovi concerts in Castlebar next summer by the looks of things!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8cbMQ_6mWyg/Tg0Eow4VhrI/AAAAAAAAAJY/q025BD0nGdo/s1600/Bon-Jovi-Livin-On-A-Prayer-202298%255B1%255D.jpg)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on September 29, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
Quote
      Ex-Tipperary hurling trainer set to join Mayo

Horan keen on O'Neill


Ex-Tipp' hurling trainer set for switch to Mayo

Mike Finnerty

THE former physical trainer of the Tipperary senior hurling team has emerged as the front-runner to join James Horan's Mayo management team.
Dr Cian O'Neill, who stepped down from his role with Tipperary last week after four years in the role, is believed to be in pole position to replace Martin Connolly and Paul Jordan, who both resigned as Mayo selectors earlier this month.
O'Neill, a native of Kildare, is the course director for the BSc Physical Education programme at the University of Limerick, and has worked with Mayo footballers like Seamus O'Shea, Enda Varley, Barry Moran and Kenneth O'Malley in recent seasons.
The highly-rated coach would seem to fit the profile of person that James Horan said he was looking to recruit after the departure of Martin Connolly and Paul Jordan, who did most of the physical training with Mayo last season.
"We're looking for the very best coach out there, someone with ambition, drive and a desire to succeed," commented Horan recently.
"I don't care who they are or where they're from as long as they can do the job for Mayo. There's a big task here and big opportunities and we're looking to work hard and achieve as much as we possibly can."
The official appointment of Cian O'Neill to the Mayo backroom staff is expected to be ratified at next Monday night's meeting of the Mayo GAA Board.
If the former Limerick senior football trainer does come on board, it will represent a serious coup for James Horan as he looks to build on Mayo's performances in 2011.
O'Neill is credited as being one of the main driving forces behind the Tipperary hurlers' recent resurgence, with the players becoming better conditioned and more able to cope with the rigours of an inter-county campaign.

superb appointment
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2011, 08:16:19 PM
Great appointment and coup for James alright. Hopefully he won't let us down.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mannix on September 29, 2011, 11:27:34 PM
I agree, mayo ran out of steam against Kerry, Dublin did not, the dubs were fitter despite all the mayo training. Welcome to this new man.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 30, 2011, 01:39:22 PM
Cian O'Neill really does seem like a great addition. Great to see JH has the ambition and confidence to go out and get the best there is.
And O'Neill obviously rates JH and the Mayo setup highly if he has agreed to join.

High praise from Lar Corbett:

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=155819 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=155819)
QuoteLar Corbett admits Cian O'Neill's decision to step down as Tipperary hurling trainer is a big blow to the Premier County.

The Kildare native spent four years in the role, during which Tipp won three Munster championships, a National League and an All-Ireland in 2010, and he is now poised to link up with the Mayo footballers.

"Cian O'Neill is a serious physical trainer, he did a super job," Corbett said yesterday.

"He got us in the condition that we are in today and you don't need me to say that. The facts are there to prove that, Tipperary have come a long way since Cian O'Neill got involved.

"I know that he's going to Mayo and probably doing a different role with Mayo, but he was super to the Tipp set-up. I'd like to wish him the best of luck but Tipperary will be sad to see him go.

"I would have had an awful lot problems with my hamstrings. People in Tipperary back five years ago would have said a lot of it is in his head but wherever it was it got sorted in the last four years. I definitely put a lot of that down to Cian O'Neill and John Casey (physio). I owe a lot to them."
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Post by: mortified on September 30, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Cian was round UL sports department when I was there, always seemed very arrogant, but looks to be a good appointment now..
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 08, 2011, 09:25:24 PM
O'Neill prepared for the long haul with Mayo
By Fintan O'Toole
Thursday, October 06, 2011
NEW Mayo senior football trainer Cian O'Neill insisted there was no acrimony when he informed Tipperary boss Declan Ryan of his decision to quit last month.
O'Neill was ratified last Monday night as the latest addition to James Horan's management setup. He believed it was important to stay with Tipperary this season to offer continuity in the wake of the departure of Liam Sheedy last winter.
"After Liam Sheedy decided to step down, I thought it was important to stay on for a year and maintain some continuity," he said.

"It wasn't the type of thing then where I wanted to get away from Tipperary. I just wanted to get back into coaching in either football or basketball, as they were my two areas of expertise. I sat down on September 22 with Declan Ryan for my annual review where I gave him a written report.

"By that stage I'd been in contact with James Horan. We wouldn't have known each other personally but would have a mutual friend. Since I had Mayo on my mind, I was up front with Declan. We wished each other well and I'm going to keep a very close eye on Tipperary's fortunes. The last four years were a brilliant experience and I made some lifelong friends there."

O'Neill admitted the travel involved was a major consideration before he agreed to come on board with Mayo. The Kildare native is the course director for the BSc Physical Education programme at the University of Limerick, with the third-level institution over 180km from Mayo's training base in Castlebar.

"It is definitely a trek from Limerick. When I was asked, I took a few days trying to decide was this the right move for myself and the right move for Mayo football.

"The prospect of going back football coaching and working with a progressive manager like James made it hugely attractive. But the travel was a serious consideration. You're going to encounter traffic in places like Tuam and Claregalway on the way up and I'm going to have to work with the UL management with my own scheduling for work.

"But I planned it out and decided to go for it. It'll involve leaving Limerick at around half three every Tuesday and Friday afternoon to head to Mayo and then you're arriving back before one o'clock in the morning."

O'Neill, who will be primed with the football aspect of Mayo's training while Dr Ed Coughlan continues to oversee physical preparations, believes his role will be made easier by working with players like Enda Varley and Seamus O'Shea in UL.

"That was definitely a big factor. I would have formed a close bond with those players and they raved about James Horan as a manager.

"Going into a squad now knowing five or six players will ease the transition process for me. I'll be handling the football coaching and Dr Ed Coughlan will do the physical work. I'm really looking forward to working with him.


Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/oneill-....l#ixzz1ZyLlGN2H
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 09, 2011, 12:11:46 AM
Thats hilarious, cian o neill has a 360km round trip for mayo senior training yet mayo county board are up to their eyes in debt, is he doing it for free ;)...

With all yer debt i dont feel sorry for ye, ye tryed to mask the centre in ballyhaunis as a connacht one to gain more funding even though mayo will only use it.

Ours is coming along nicely thoiugh and with a manageable debt associated we should not have any bother fundraising it..8)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on October 09, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
Sligionian , it is always very refreshing to  have your views on the Mayo football scene.Keep up the good work >:(
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 09, 2011, 01:33:40 AM
I agree. It is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as Sligo most of the time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: sans pessimism on October 09, 2011, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 09, 2011, 12:11:46 AM
Thats hilarious, cian o neill has a 360km round trip for mayo senior training yet mayo county board are up to their eyes in debt, is he doing it for free ;)...

With all yer debt i dont feel sorry for ye, ye tryed to mask the centre in ballyhaunis as a connacht one to gain more funding even though mayo will only use it.

Ours is coming along nicely thoiugh and with a manageable debt associated we should not have any bother fundraising it..8)
haaalllllooooo-nobody on this site cares sado
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 12, 2011, 07:53:30 PM
What do ye all make of Noel Howley as the new go-between between msnagement & county board?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on October 12, 2011, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 12, 2011, 07:53:30 PM
What do ye all make of Noel Howley as the new go-between between msnagement & county board?

I thought that was shot down?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: sans pessimism on October 12, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 12, 2011, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 12, 2011, 07:53:30 PM
What do ye all make of Noel Howley as the new go-between between msnagement & county board?

I thought that was shot down?
it was
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 12, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 12, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 12, 2011, 08:00:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 12, 2011, 07:53:30 PM
What do ye all make of Noel Howley as the new go-between between msnagement & county board?

I thought that was shot down?
it was

Whoops, just scanned the WP very quickly this evening. So who is going to be the new man so? Someone in the County board itself? To be honest, I disagree strongly with a 'go-between' in the first place. The county board and management, in an ideal situation should sort out whatever needs to be sorted out together and not need a man to act as a 'go between'.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2011, 07:25:17 PM
From Hoganstand:

QuotePlease note that there will be East Mayo U-21 Football Trials on Saturday 5th November at 11.00a.m. in Swinford. All clubs are requested to organise players for these trials.

This too.

QuoteMayo manager James Horan and his selectors are to hold trials over the coming weeks.

Horan revealed that they did the same last year and unearthed some quality players and the Mayo manager has opted to go down the same route this year.

"We had trials last year when we started this job and we'll be doing the same again this year. A number of guys have shown up well over recent weeks, but the demands of inter county are different and we'll be hoping that they perform well again when we have the trials," Horan revealed to the Western People.

There have been no dates confirmed for the trails yet as there are a number of club competitions still to complete before the end of the year.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
I heard on MWR that the official name for our county ground isElverys McHale Park.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ludermor on November 04, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Club Stars shortlist revealed


Mike Finnerty

THE 30 nominations for a place on the Mayo News/O'Neills Club Stars 'Team of the Year' have been decided, with no fewer than eleven Ballintubber players in the running for the coveted awards.
A total of nine clubs are represented among those in contention. Eight players from beaten senior finalists Castlebar Mitchels have also been nominated for a Club Star award, which honours those players who have performed with distinction during the 2011 Mayo club championship.
The 15 players and five replacements will be revealed at the seventh annual Club Stars banquet – in association with AIB – which will be held on Saturday, December 10 at the Knockranny House Hotel in Westport.
Semi-finalists Knockmore (two nominees) and Ballina Stephenites (one) are also represented, while Ballaghaderreen, Breaffy and Garrymore have one player each in contention too.
Five players from this year's Mayo Intermediate Championship have also been nominated as 'wild cards'. County champions Davitts have three players shortlisted, and two nominees are from beaten finalists Burrishoole.
All proceeds from this year's event will go to Western Care services in Mayo.
The 30 players were selected by former Charlestown and Mayo footballer, John Casey, ex-Knockmore manager Eamon Clarke, and Mayo News GAA writers Seán Rice and Austin Garvin.
The judging panel will now be charged with further whittling down that list and picking the 15 players and five replacements for the 2011 team. This selection will not be revealed until the night of the banquet.
With just nine of last year's nominees back in the hunt, the final selection looks set to include plenty of new faces.
Three of those who were nominated last year are from Castlebar Mitchels – Richie Feeney, Eoin O'Reilly and Ciaran Naughton – while Ballintubber's Gary Loftus, Jason Gibbons, Alan Dillon and Alan Plunkett were also part of the 2010 team.
The 'Tubber quartet will have plenty of company on the night, as Brendan Walsh, Cathal Hallinan (a replacement last year), Tom Earley, Danny Geraghty, Gary Dillon, Michael Hoban and Cillian O'Connor have also been nominated from the county champions.
The returning Mitchels trio will be joined by team-mates Tom Cunniffe, Sean Ryder, Barry Moran, Danny Kirby and Kevin Filan. Knockmore's Declan Sweeney and Aidan Kilcoyne, Ballina's Evan Regan, Breaffy's Kevin Scahill, Ballaghaderreen's Andy Moran, and Garrymore's Jimmy Killeen are also nominated.
Davitts' Colm Boyle, Ronan McNamara and Michael Conroy, along with Burrishoole's Micheál Moran and Jason Doherty complete the line-up.
Tickets for the event in Knockranny House Hotel cost €60 and are available on 098 25311.

Get your tickets
TO book your ticket for the Club Stars Banquet or make a donation, call The Mayo News office on 098 25311. All proceeds go to Western Care services in Mayo.


This year's Club Stars nominees
Goalkeepers
Ciaran Naughton (Castlebar Mitchels)

Brendan Walsh (Ballintubber)



Defenders
Gary Loftus (Ballintubber)
Cathal Hallinan (Ballintubber)

Tom Earley (Ballintubber)

Danny Geraghty (Ballintubber)
Gary Dillon (Ballintubber)

Eoin O'Reilly (Castlebar Mitchels)

Richie Feeney (Castlebar Mitchels)
Tom Cunniffe (Castlebar Mitchels)

Sean Ryder (Castlebar Mitchels)
Kevin Scahill (Breaffy)

Declan Sweeney (Knockmore)

Colm Boyle (Davitts)



Midfielders
Jason Gibbons (Ballintubber)

Michael Hoban (Ballintubber)
Barry Moran (Castlebar)

Ronan McNamara (Davitts)




Forwards
Alan Dillon (Ballintubber)

Alan Plunkett (Ballintubber)

Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Kevin Filan (Castlebar Mitchels)

Danny Kirby (Castlebar Mitchels)

Aidan Kilcoyne (Knockmore)
Evan Regan (Ballina)
Jimmy Killeen (Garrymore)

Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)

Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Micheál Moran (Burrishoole)
Michael Conroy (Davitts)



Im not close to the club scene so wouldnt know the merits of players included (or excluded!) but 19 players from teh 2 finalists (out of a total of 25 senior players)  seems a very narrow selection. Were Ballintubber and Castlebar that far ahead of the rest??
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Post by: ludermor on November 16, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
Mayo in crisis over €11.6m debt on McHale Park redevelopment
By Colm Keys


Wednesday November 16 2011

THE MAYO County Board has two weeks to come up with fresh ideas to help alleviate the massive debt incurred by the redevelopment of McHale Park in Castlebar.

This follows the publication of financial details relating to the redevelopment of the stadium at Monday night's meeting of the county board.

In recent weeks, the main lending institute involved has been in contact directly with the GAA hierarchy, who also provided substantial loans to help finance the redevelopment.

The GAA top brass have in turn been in touch with Mayo officials, who have been encouraged to put in place a more urgent action plan to fund-raise.

Spokesman Aidan McLoughlin was adamant yesterday that an €11.6m debt is still manageable, despite the growing pressure to start reducing it.

Up to now, the Mayo County Board has been repaying mostly interest on three loans totalling €6m with the lending institution in question. But there is now a requirement to start repaying more principle and that will squeeze already hard-pressed clubs in the county even more.

To date, they have repaid €534,062 in principle and €784,000 in interest.

A further loan of €4.5m from the GAA is also outstanding. The GAA had already given Mayo a grant of €5m for the redevelopment which has turned McHale Park into one of the most modern grounds in the country.

So far, Mayo has spent €16.637m on the redevelopment, according to figures released at the board meeting.

And, worryingly, there is another €1.6m of bills still outstanding.

Just over €1m of this is owed to the main contractor, with the rest due for legal and architectural fees. That brings the total cost for redeveloping the stadium to over €18m.

Some of this relates to the proposed development of a media tower on the opposite side to the main stand which has run into planning difficulties. There were also difficulties with the floodlighting of the stadium, which have since been resolved.

Mayo officials took the decision to lay out the situation to their clubs in an effort to generate more momentum with fundraising.

"None of the figures that have been put into the public domain were known before," said McLoughlin.

"Those who've loaned the money to us have been more than fair to us with terms and conditions. But we have to make people aware that we need to show more urgency with our fundraising efforts, and we will be coming up with a new plan in the next two weeks."

Croke Park officials are known to be concerned at the situation facing the Mayo County Board.

It is estimated that servicing the debt on McHale Park is to rise from about €400,000 to almost €1m per annum once capital repayments on the 15-year loan are taken into account.

According to the figures, Mayo have put some €1.137m of their own money into the redevelopment. Efforts to fund-raise have focused on selling seats in the stand, season tickets and a draw which involves clubs selling between 50 and 70 tickets at €100 each.

They have been helped by the recent inking of a deal for the naming rights to the stadium by sportswear retail chain Elverys, who are based in Mayo.

- Colm Keys

Irish Independent

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: QUB GAA Research on November 21, 2011, 01:49:45 PM
Hi Everyone,

I am a final year student at QUB, and as part of my course I am required to undertake a group piece of research.
We have chosen to do this on the GAA, and the different reasons on player drop-our rates post age 18 between rural and urban areas.

We would be very greatfull if you could take the time to fill out the survey below (it will literally only take 2 minutes).

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q8FYCHK

We've got some great feedback so far, and I think the users on this message board can add valuable contributions to the study.
Please feel free to comment/make sussestions on our thread (below) or on the survey about the topic.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20675.msg1048613#new (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20675.msg1048613#new)

Thanks Very much!
Go raibh mile maith agat
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 23, 2012, 11:19:51 PM
Clip of the 1977 Minor All Ireland, great come back by Mayo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=uFt1XlwZ1Zc
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 24, 2012, 04:51:40 PM
The Mayo players that featured in the All-Ireland Final win over Dublin were: Sean Warde (Achill); Mick Maloney (Claremorris), George Golden (Kilmeena), Mick Walshe (Claremorris); Niall Heffernan (Ballina), Adrian Garvey (Claremorris, captain), Eddie Melvin (Ballina); TJ Kilgallon (Balla), Martin Joyce (Hollymount); Sean Clarke (Lacken), Jimmy Maughan (Ballinrobe), Andrew McNicholas (Kiltimagh); Kieran O'Malley (Achill), Jimmy Lyons (Aghamore), Eugene Griffin (Davitts).
Subs used: Charles Gilmartin (Kiltimagh) for Maloney; Tom Byrne (Kiltimagh) for J Lyons; L Lyons (Aghamore) for Clarke.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 24, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 24, 2012, 04:51:40 PM
The Mayo players that featured in the All-Ireland Final win over Dublin were: Sean Warde (Achill); Mick Maloney (Claremorris), George Golden (Kilmeena), Mick Walshe (Claremorris); Niall Heffernan (Ballina), Adrian Garvey (Claremorris, captain), Eddie Melvin (Ballina); TJ Kilgallon (Balla), Martin Joyce (Hollymount); Sean Clarke (Lacken), Jimmy Maughan (Ballinrobe), Andrew McNicholas (Kiltimagh); Kieran O'Malley (Achill), Jimmy Lyons (Aghamore), Eugene Griffin (Davitts).
Subs used: Charles Gilmartin (Kiltimagh) for Maloney; Tom Byrne (Kiltimagh) for J Lyons; L Lyons (Aghamore) for Clarke.

I was a first year in Colmans Claremorris that year as well, they won the Hogan Cup in 1977, five or six of that panel were on the Colmans team. O'Malley from Achill looked like a nice player.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Horan would go to Croker for the refixture with the Dubs I believe. I wonder will the game now be re-fixed for Croke Park or will it go ahead in McHale Park as I expect it to.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on February 12, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Horan would go to Croker for the refixture with the Dubs I believe. I wonder will the game now be re-fixed for Croke Park or will it go ahead in McHale Park as I expect it to.

Oh that would please the Mayo supporters (70-80%) who coughed up €13 + €3 for last nights match. Let me guess you work in Dublin?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Horan would go to Croker for the refixture with the Dubs I believe. I wonder will the game now be re-fixed for Croke Park or will it go ahead in McHale Park as I expect it to.

Oh that would please the Mayo supporters (70-80%) who coughed up €13 + €3 for last nights match. Let me guess you work in Dublin?

How on Earth did you guess that? No, I'm a teacher who is covering a maternity leave in Co Sligo. I expect it to go ahead in McHale Park because if the GAA have any common sense at all. I'm just wondering now if it will go on in Croke Park now after Horan's musings.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on February 12, 2012, 11:04:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Horan would go to Croker for the refixture with the Dubs I believe. I wonder will the game now be re-fixed for Croke Park or will it go ahead in McHale Park as I expect it to.

Oh that would please the Mayo supporters (70-80%) who coughed up €13 + €3 for last nights match. Let me guess you work in Dublin?

How on Earth did you guess that? No, I'm a teacher who is covering a maternity leave in Co Sligo. I expect it to go ahead in McHale Park because if the GAA have any common sense at all. I'm just wondering now if it will go on in Croke Park now after Horan's musings.

Apologies.  :-[
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
You're grand. So long as you didn't say teaching isn't work or some sort of comment like that :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 12, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
You're grand. So long as you didn't say teaching isn't work or some sort of comment like that :)

But sure it's not, is it?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 06, 2012, 02:30:39 PM
Anybody know what's going on with the County Board tickets? I know I have seen in the programmes lately in McHale Park about the Cáirde Mhaigh Eo draw. Do these replace the county board tickets? If so,will only those who have paid €200 go in the draw??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: prewtna on April 10, 2012, 10:20:42 AM
county board tickets are out.

clubs have to organise vouchers from local businesses to attach to the tickets to make them easier to sell.

i suggest you get your county board delegate to go to the meetings and report back to ye.

ours didnt and i got a phone call from Paddy Mac regarding same.

i hate fundraising for the county board - shower of @?><:'s
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 04, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
Talking to myself over here on the Mayo local section. We like to discuss things out in public, so we do. But I think this is a load of codswallop.
:-\

QuoteAn Open evening for all our supporters will be held in Elverys MacHale Park next Friday 11th May starting at 6.30p.m.

We will have a jam packed exciting evening for you the supporter where you can meet all our managers and players as well as other exciting activities.

Have your face painted in the county colours; meet our senior & minor footballers and our senior hurlers. Get Autographs, jerseys signed etc. Test yourself with the basic skills of our Gaelic games as the Mayo GAA coaches put you through your paces with their skills testing. View all the latest official Mayo GAA merchandise from our main sponsors Elverys Sports. Get a guided tour around the marvellous facilities in MacHale Park. 2011 Stars of the Future launch the 2012 Kellogs Cuil Camps. We will have music on the evening also. After all of that, sit down and relax in our magnificent stand and watch the Mayo Senior Football team as they train on the pitch.

This is an opportunity not to be missed and a memorable night will be had by all in attendance.
The evening kicks off at 6.30p.m. in Elverys MacHale Park, Castlebar.

· 6.30-7.15p.m. - Press Media only with Manager and Players in Press Room.
· 7.15-8.00p.m. - Meet & Greet Managers and Players. Take part in activities on main pitch.
· 8.00-9.00p.m. - Open Mayo Senior Football Team training on main pitch."


Then again, maybe it's just me been cynical about lots of things...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 05, 2012, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 04, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
Talking to myself over here on the Mayo local section. We like to discuss things out in public, so we do. But I think this is a load of codswallop.
:-\

QuoteAn Open evening for all our supporters will be held in Elverys MacHale Park next Friday 11th May starting at 6.30p.m.

We will have a jam packed exciting evening for you the supporter where you can meet all our managers and players as well as other exciting activities.

Have your face painted in the county colours; meet our senior & minor footballers and our senior hurlers. Get Autographs, jerseys signed etc. Test yourself with the basic skills of our Gaelic games as the Mayo GAA coaches put you through your paces with their skills testing. View all the latest official Mayo GAA merchandise from our main sponsors Elverys Sports. Get a guided tour around the marvellous facilities in MacHale Park. 2011 Stars of the Future launch the 2012 Kellogs Cuil Camps. We will have music on the evening also. After all of that, sit down and relax in our magnificent stand and watch the Mayo Senior Football team as they train on the pitch.

This is an opportunity not to be missed and a memorable night will be had by all in attendance.
The evening kicks off at 6.30p.m. in Elverys MacHale Park, Castlebar.

· 6.30-7.15p.m. - Press Media only with Manager and Players in Press Room.
· 7.15-8.00p.m. - Meet & Greet Managers and Players. Take part in activities on main pitch.
· 8.00-9.00p.m. - Open Mayo Senior Football Team training on main pitch."


Then again, maybe it's just me been cynical about lots of things...

A knockmore man cynical no way  ;) :D Looking forward to the start of the league and to see how our lads do under Micky Moyles . Fair play to you deelin on keeping us updated on all the league results great joB
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 05, 2012, 05:27:10 PM
There was a nice enough young wan sitting across from me on the bus home last wk deel rover. From crossmolina and all! Didn't bother askin for her nmber as her father was sitting in front of her and I don't know, something about Crossmen I don't trust!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2012, 12:27:19 AM
Ray Dempsey has stepped down after 3 unsuccessful years as U-21 manager. Hopefully the next man in the job will get a Connacht title at the very least at the grade. Found out on WJ's blog.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mrhardyannual on June 03, 2012, 06:25:24 PM
Best of luck to Ray. He has given great time and committment at both Minor and U-21 level since his playing career ended.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
This is taken from the Mayo website.

QuoteThe countdown is firmly on for Mayo's opening game in the Connacht Football Championship. It has been a long wait since the team last played in a competitive match which was the Allianz Football League Final defeat to Cork in Croke Park on Sunday 29th April last. But all roads will lead to Elverys MacHale Park on Sunday 24th June and what a day it promises to be. If you want value for money then Castlebar will be the place to be. At 12.00p.m. the first of 3 games will take place where Sligo - V's - Leitrim in the Connacht Ladies Football Championship, following that the Mayo Minors open their Connacht Minor Football Championship campaign where Mayo - V's - Sligo throws-in at 1.30p.m. inbetween the Minor and Senior games at 2.55p.m. will be the official re-opening of Elverys MacHale Park where An Taoiseach Enda Kenny will be on hand to perform the proceedings. Finally the third of the days games will take place at 3.30p.m. in the Connacht GAA Senior Football Championship where Mayo - V's - Leitrim. Between 1.00p.m. - 2.00p.m. there will be a reception taking place for all our Cáirde Mhaigheo members along with Sponsors and invited guests. This promises to be a tremendous day out for all the family with plenty of activities available to keep the kids happy as well. More details will be available in the lead up to the games but remember: #nothingbeatsbeingthere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Farrandeelin on June 17, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
Also from the Mayo GAA website.
QuoteConnacht GAA Football Championship 2012
Sunday 24th June 2012
Venue: Elvery's McHale Park, Castlebar

Intermediate Connacht Ladies Football Championship Semi-Final
Sligo - V's - Leitrim
Throw in: 12noon
Connacht Minor Football Championship Semi-Final
Mayo - V's - Sligo
Throw In: 1.30pm
Referee: P. Neilan(R)

Connacht Senior Football Championship Semi-Final
Mayo - V's - Leitrim
Throw In: 3.30pm
Referee: Martin Higgins (Fear Manach)

Ticket Prices:

Stand - €25, (Section 105- VIP's & Sponsors)
Sideline Seating - €20
Juveniles (U-16)  - €5
Students & OAP's Full price must be paid.
Family Tickets available for Stand: Adult full price & child €5
Group Tickets €30 (10 x Juvenile & 1 Adult) application from clubs directly to the Connacht GAA Council Office.
Refunds of €10 will be paid to OAP's and Students, (with current ID cards), for Stand & Sideline seating at Designated Stile only, (Turnstile #16, #17 & #48).
Groups: Entry at Turnstile #38. All children must be accompanied by Group Leader(s)

Tickets can be sourced from;

Connacht GAA Office
Address: Clare Street, Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo
Ph: (094) 9630335
Email: reception.connacht@gaa.ie
www.connachtgaa.ie

Mayo County Board
Address: MacHale Park, Castlebar, Co. Mayo.
Email secretary.mayo@gaa.ie
Office number: 094-9543035
www.mayogaa.com

Leitrim County Board,
address: Pairc Sean MacDiarmada, Carrick-on-Shannon, Co. Leitrim.
email: secretary.leitrim@gaa.ie
phone: (071) 9620441

Sligo County Board
address: Sligo GAA Office, Aughamore Near, Carraroe, Sligo
email: administrator.sligo@gaa.ie
phone: 087-0524574(9am-5pm).

Tickets also available from clubs in the competing counties.

Tickets can also be sourced from www.tickets.ie and www.ticketmaster.ie

Tickets will also be on sale at selected Supervalu & Centra outlets in the competing counties, see www.connachtgaa.ie for details.

Mayo
Kavanagh SuperValu, Castlebar, Co Mayo
Moloney's SuperValu, Bunree, Ballina, Co Mayo
Cummins' SuperValu, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo
Sweeney's SuperValu, Achill Island, Co Mayo
O'Connor's SuperValu, Westport, Co Mayo
Duffy's SuperValu, Ballaghadereen,

Leitrim
Donohoe's SuperValu, Ballinamore, Co Leitrim

Sligo
Surlis' SuperValu, Tubbercurry, Co Sligo
Cosgrove's Centra, Maugheraboy, Co Sligo
Whiteside's Centra, Collooney, Co Sligo


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2012, 12:19:14 AM
The Connacht GAA Senior and U16 Puc Fada competitions will be hosted by the Tooreen Hurling Club on Monday 16th July at 7.30.

Mayo will represented in the Senior competition by Donall O'Brien (Ballyhaunis) and Kenny Feeney (Tooreen). In the U16 competition - representing Mayo will be Evan Summerville (Moytura) and Shane Fleming (Caiseal Gaels).

Keith Raymond (Sligo) will be looking to retain his Senior title - with the winner and runner-up from both Senior & U16 competitions going forward to represent Connacht at the All-Ireland Puc Fada Championships in the Cooley Mountains in Louth in August. For more information visit www.anpocfada.net

_________________________________________________________________________________________

Ticketing Details and Distribution

Connacht GAA Football Championship Finals 2012
Sunday 15th July
Venue: Hyde Park, Roscommon
Minor:
Roscommon - V - Mayo
12.00pm

Senior:
Mayo - V - Sligo
2pm

Ticket Prices:
Stand €30 - Reserved Seating with limited availability

Sideline Seating €25

Terrace €20

Juveniles (U-16) €5

Students & OAP's Full price must be paid. Refunds of €10 will be paid to OAP's &
Students, (with current ID cards), for Stand, Sideline seating and
Terrace at Designated Stile only, (Turnstile #6 and #18).

Family Tickets Available for Sideline & Stand (Limited) Adult full price & child €5

Group Tickets €30 for a group of 10 juveniles & 1 adult. (Available through the
Connacht GAA Council Office). Groups: Entry at Turnstile #8.
All children must be accompanied by Group Leader(s)

Clubs should submit their orders for tickets before 10.00pm on Sunday July 8th to ensure that that receive their requested allocation. Clubs should note that the number of stand tickets available will be limited. Tickets can be collected in Elverys MacHale Park at the following times

Mon July 9th 10.00am to 7.30pm
Tue July 10th 10.00am to 9.00pm
Wed July 11th 10.00am to 9.00pm

Cáirde Mhaigheo Season ticket holders will be able to collect their Stand tickets in
Elverys MacHale Park at the following times
Mon July 9th 10.00am to 7.30pm
Tue July 10th 10.00am to 9.00pm
Wed July 11th 10.00am to 9.00pm

Cáirde Mhaigheo season ticket holders will receive a €5.00 discount off the purchase price of their ticket. If any Cáirde Mhaigheo season ticket holder is unable to collect their ticket, they should contact the ticket office in Elverys MacHale Park on 094-9250487 with their credit card or laser card details and your ticket can be posted to your address. Please check with the office that the address on file is the correct address.

Tickets will be on sale to the general public in Elverys MacHale Park at the following times

Tue July 10th 10.00am to 9.00pm
Wed July 11th 10.00am to 9.00pm


Mayo County Board
Address: McHale Park, Castlebar, Co. Mayo.
Opening Hours: Monday-Friday 9.30-5pm
Email secretary.mayo@gaa.ie
Office number: 094-9250487
www.mayogaa.com
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Post by: eachaidh on July 12, 2012, 12:41:19 PM
Hi everyone,

Sorry to hijack the thread but please bear with me!

I have been made aware of a study that the University of Ulster are currently carrying out into defibrillators in the GAA. It's an all-Ireland study that is based on line.

As this is such an important and emotive subject for many of us Gaels I thought that I should try to get the word out so that as many of us as possible participate in order to make the results more reliable. The link is below and I would encourage everyone to take the 5 minutes and complete the form. The idea is to get a picture of where we are at as an organisation with the provision of this life saving equipment.

I should state that this is not my study and I am not involved in it other than that I know the people carrying it out. But on their behalf I would like to thank everyone who does fill it out in advance. Your help will be greatly appreciated and hopefully will help the GAA and all of our members. Getting this information may eventually even help to save lives.

Go raibh maith agat!

Link Below:

https://edu.surveygizmo.com/s3/971431/CRP-Defibrillators-Survey (https://edu.surveygizmo.com/s3/971431/CRP-Defibrillators-Survey)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: 323232 on July 17, 2012, 05:07:59 PM
Hi folks here is a we 2 mins video we would like you to see.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03nOo-CDoRI&feature=share
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2012, 08:41:45 PM
moysider and Lar, here's the place for ye to iron out the changes you'd like to see next year! ;) No point in clogging up the WHOLE lot of threads and I'm sick of reading the Donegal v Mayo All-Ireland thread at this stage.

What age is Conor O'Shea? What happened to Kirby, yes I know he went off to the States IIRC for the summer, but it's no surprise as he never got a chance in the league after his 4 goal salvo in the FBD game? Why did he not get a bit more game time in the league? I was impressed with Cathal Freeman when I saw him play, moysider reckoned he played in the FBD games in January, (I'll admit I don't go to them games) and he played well. I thought he was going to be our number 11 for a few years at least at one stage. For what it's worth, I think Brolly has hit a few home truths about Mayo football, I know we scored 0-19 against Dublin, and that was a culmination of 'breaking ranks' with our tactics all year imo rather than anything else. Maybe I'm too harsh on the lads but that's my opinion.
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Post by: bucko on October 07, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
Getting Higgins further up the field and on the ball more often. He's been consistently one of our best players now for the 6-7 years, but while he got an all star nomination for this year I don't think he had as big an influence on matches as he is capable of. Shane McHale showed enough in the league to show he could play in the full back line and given Vaughan's dip in form vs last year, moving Higgins to the HB line would appear to be the logical move. Maybe playing AOS as CHF come third midfielder Gibbons or SOS paired with Moran could be a good move, get him running at defences a bit more than he did this year. Moran back, hopefully to where he was before the cruciate let go, and how best to utilise Feeney, who surprised me with the impact he had on games when he came on this year. It's small changes that are needed, not re-inventing the wheel!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 08, 2012, 07:48:12 PM
The Mayo G.A.A. Senior Football Development Academy will be officially launched next Saturday 13th October at 8.00p.m. in Elverys MacHale Park. The academy will be officially launched by Mayo Senior Football Team Manager James Horan along with the 2011 Young Footballer of the Year and Mayo Senior Team Footballer Cillian O'Connor. This academy has been constructed to cater for the development of high potential players between the ages of 19 and 22 years of age. All are welcome to attend.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Sam2011 on October 09, 2012, 08:10:56 AM

Just after seeing this article by Kieran Shannon on the Irish Examnier. Good article sums its all up really.
The lads now have the experience of being so close but yet so far which is not a nice feeling and one they will want to recitfy in 2013.

Dying with boots on a key lesson for future champions


It was surreal.


Last Sunday I stood on the field of Croke Park alongside the footballers of Mayo as Michael Murphy lifted the Sam Maguire and green and gold ribbons floated down from the heavens. Then after watching and waiting in silence as he made his speech, we made our way in unison towards the tunnel as the opening notes of Jimmy's Winning Matches struck up. I looked up to see the cup above Colm McFadden's head. I kept looking at it until it disappeared as we disappeared down the tunnel. What was once so near was now so far and gone, just like that.

We trooped into the dressing room. The last time we'd all been in there 50 minutes earlier, we were convinced we were going to win. Contrary to popular opinion, it was the second half, not the first half, in which we lost it. For a team that had been behind at half time in all but one of its Connacht championships this past two years, that had trailed Kerry by four points with just a couple of minutes left in both normal and extra time in the league semi-final, we felt we were in a great position, being only three down. Now, clearly, we weren't.

I suppose I'm supposed to say here it was like a death. And for a few minutes the complete and utter silence in that room would have suggested it sort of was. But then James Horan and Andy Moran spoke about how this team would drive on. And then you realise life goes on. David Clarke sets about untying his boot laces. Ger Cafferkey goes about being the first Mayo player to shower after losing this All-Ireland. A couple of our players politely oblige the equally pleasant drug testers. Life doesn't stop, life goes on and as James says, so will this team.

If anything the loss has made us closer. It will certainly make us stronger. It might appear an odd thing to say about Mayo, a county infamous for reaching and losing so many national finals, but this team hadn't enough experience of that 'so near so far' sensation.

Looking back, that was a big difference between Donegal and us. Both teams have had remarkably similar journeys over the past two seasons: from losing to Armagh and Longford in the 2010 first-round qualifiers; coming back from five points down just before half time in our respective 2011 provincial semi-finals; winning those provincial finals, before recording epic All-Ireland quarter-final wins over Kildare and Cork respectively. But in the subsequent All-Ireland semi-final Mayo only troubled Kerry for 45 minutes. Donegal tested Dublin for the full 70. They felt they left an All-Ireland behind them last year. Mayo couldn't say that the way they can now.

Back in February in one of my talks to the panel in my role as their sport psychologist, I addressed the nature of that defeat to Kerry. For all the progress they'd made in 2011, they hadn't yet become what we call a proper championship team. A couple of minutes before that game entered injury time, Mayo had trailed by five points. They allowed Kerry to extend their lead to nine. They didn't yet appreciate that even when victory is beyond you, you're still playing for something.

It had irked some of our players that they were only ranked sixth in the country at the end of the year, behind Kildare who had beaten no heavyweight like Mayo had beaten Cork, but as I pointed out to the players, there was no way that Kildare team would have allowed anyone beat them by nine points.

If you lose, you die with your boots on. Mayo hadn't in 2011. They hadn't been close enough to have that vital 'so near so far' experience that all champions must go through. Now I believe they have.

There are, what I term, professional Mayo supporters who don't accept there was something different about this Mayo effort, who seem to think only Mayo lose big games. Every team does.

The Cork footballers lost in '07 and '09 before winning in 2010. Dublin nearly had to lose to Cork in that semi-final in 2010 to win it all in 2011. It took Munster rugby six years to get their hands on their big cup. Each time they'd try again, fail again, fail better, knowing you only fail when you don't get back up.

Donegal are rightly the champions. It is the greatest All-Ireland ever won. To win it from the preliminary round in Ulster? To beat five other Division 1 teams along the way? Jimmy had to win a hell of a lot of big matches to get his hands on that big cup.

Jimmy Horan and his team will win more matches too, though. Even though we haven't yet emerged back out of that tunnel, we still see that cup.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2012, 08:48:12 PM
Following a very productive meeting last night with the Mayo Senior Football Manager, it has been unanimously decided to recommend to the Coiste Banistí of Mayo G.A.A. that James Horan be given a 2-year extension to his 3-year term contract. This recommendation will go before next Monday nights County Board Meeting.
Despite UNCONFIRMED and UNWARRANTED reports earlier this week, the Mayo Senior Football Team Manager and Mayo County Board have always had and will continue to have a very good working relationship. Mayo County Board along with the Mayo Senior Football Management are committed to ensuring that the Mayo Senior Footballers receive the best available resources and facilities in order to help them fulfil their full potential.

The Mayo Senior Team under the management of James Horan have made tremendous progress in the last 2 years. Mayo County Board are delighted to have a manager of the calibre that is James Horan and remain extremely confident that this team will realise their ultimate goal in the very near future.

So that's all settled then.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 10, 2012, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2012, 08:48:12 PM
Following a very productive meeting last night with the Mayo Senior Football Manager, it has been unanimously decided to recommend to the Coiste Banistí of Mayo G.A.A. that James Horan be given a 2-year extension to his 3-year term contract. This recommendation will go before next Monday nights County Board Meeting.
Despite UNCONFIRMED and UNWARRANTED reports earlier this week, the Mayo Senior Football Team Manager and Mayo County Board have always had and will continue to have a very good working relationship. Mayo County Board along with the Mayo Senior Football Management are committed to ensuring that the Mayo Senior Footballers receive the best available resources and facilities in order to help them fulfil their full potential.

The Mayo Senior Team under the management of James Horan have made tremendous progress in the last 2 years. Mayo County Board are delighted to have a manager of the calibre that is James Horan and remain extremely confident that this team will realise their ultimate goal in the very near future.

So that's all settled then.

Good. Everybody s happy.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
The second paragraph stands out as something childish though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 10, 2012, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
The second paragraph stands out as something childish though.

I was being cynical of course. This arrangement suits everybody of course - or at least it appears to.

It s a run- of-the-mill statement. Things will be grand until things are not grand. Johnno got an extension even when things were far from grand.

Horan must have got some assurances as regards Board s ambition to actually try and win things, instead of being more like a Mafia numbers racket.  They issue a statement so brilliant in that it is worthless - or as Deelin puts it - childish.

Horan- rightly- should not/will not open his mouth. There s nothing to say, or see here.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: boosabum on October 11, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
Good to see that James has won the power battle and the mayo squad will be able to sleep more soundly in their 4 star as opposed to 3 star beds. I think Doug Ellis made the point that all hotels look the same when your asleep. Unfortunately as has been seen before, these "contracts" hold little value when the going gets tough and a trip to Salthill against a galway team with lots to prove won't be easy for the first outing. James should spend more time trying to find or mould a top class 6, 11 and 14 instead of pointing to logistical issues. As things stand, he has an equal reputation to JOM & JM in terms of lossing an All-Ireland that was there to be won. I'm glad some many people here support the views expressed in terms of dedication and what is needed to win an All-ireland, so when each club is saddled with an extra levy to make up the extra cost in team expenses for logistics, the €100 tickets and cairde mayo season passes won't be comming off the presses quick enough such will be the demand. Winning is all, losing and the bill still has to be paid.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on October 19, 2012, 11:20:40 AM
This is taken from Maughan's piece in the Mayo Advertiser. They seem to love Buckley down in Kerry, so if this comes off it would be a great move. Would add extra spice to the league opener as well - Cian O'Neill in the Kerry dugout and Donie Buckley in the Mayo one!

On the inter-county scene, I believe senior manager James Horan was spotted in Ennis last Monday night. He must have been meeting with Donie Buckley, the former Kerry trainer, to see if he will come on board next year. The retired Clare County Council engineer normally heads to the United States for three months at this time of the year to, believe it or not, up skill his coaching techniques. He has been doing so for years. The affable Castle Island Desmond's man would be quite a coup for Horan and I believe the deal is more or less signed sealed and, to be, delivered.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on October 22, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
@Mayogaa have just confirmed on twitter that Donie Buckley will be joining Mayo for 2013
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Sam2011 on October 22, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 22, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
@Mayogaa have just confirmed on twitter that Donie Buckley will be joining Mayo for 2013

Great news that James has that sorted now, a weight off his shoulders I'm sure. I've only heard positive things about the man. It also adds balance with O'Neil in Kerry and Buckley in Mayo. First league game will be all the more enthralling now! It's now time to start building for 2013.
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Post by: Pragmatist on October 27, 2012, 04:33:54 PM
I am now convinced that the naysayers have been right all along. For years I tried to promote the idea that we can improve players' decision-making on and off the ball, their movement off the ball, their positional sense, their timing of runs and their abilities to adapt to different game plans and attacking options. The truth is that for 90% of players we cannot!!
They bring with them their own inbuilt cerebral limitations for these skills and we can labour for as long as we want and convince ourselves we see glimmers of hope, but the fact is that they will revert to type more often than not.
Just get them as fit as possible, as well-conditioned as possible and as technically proficient as possible and forget the rest.
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Post by: Champ15 on November 15, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
Congratulations to Enda Gilvarry on being named Mayo Minor manager had the pleasure of playing under him at underage level where he guided us to an under 16 league title in 2001 and also briefly at senior level in 2004 before Tommy Lyons took over. He's a deeply passionate and knowledgeable gas man and a gentleman to boot! Here's hoping is term is a succesful one!
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Post by: stephenite on November 15, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
Great news and well deserved. Full back on the 1985 winning minor team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 25, 2012, 12:04:33 PM
I see Ronan McGarrity has called time on his intercounty career. It was a pity he was riddled with so many injuries in the last few years, in the fact that somethng tells me that we never quite saw McGarrity hit his full potential. That's my opinion anyway. I'm sure others have different views. Anyway, good luck Ronan, and he'll get to spend more time with his firstborn (I think) child too.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on November 27, 2012, 02:16:26 AM
just wondering does anybody know who wrote the article in the connacht telegraph in relation to james Horan and his management of Mayo. i just read the online version and it did not give the writers name.It had to be one of the dumbest articles that has ever been written.I would have the same opinion as Farrandellin regarding Ronan McG. in that injuries curtailed his career and maybe that is why he never reached his full potential. I saw him play in New York  when he was on a basketball scholarship and for a lad that had not played much football up to that point in his life,he was outstanding .He always gave 100 pc for Mayo and good luck to him in his retirement.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: spuds on November 27, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: maigheo on November 27, 2012, 02:16:26 AM
just wondering does anybody know who wrote the article in the connacht telegraph in relation to james Horan and his management of Mayo. i just read the online version and it did not give the writers name.It had to be one of the dumbest articles that has ever been written.I would have the same opinion as Farrandellin regarding Ronan McG. in that injuries curtailed his career and maybe that is why he never reached his full potential. I saw him play in New York  when he was on a basketball scholarship and for a lad that had not played much football up to that point in his life,he was outstanding .He always gave 100 pc for Mayo and good luck to him in his retirement.
Think it was Aidan Henry, the first article I read which goes hard on Horan. A late November shit stirrer.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 27, 2012, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 25, 2012, 12:04:33 PM
I see Ronan McGarrity has called time on his intercounty career. It was a pity he was riddled with so many injuries in the last few years, in the fact that somethng tells me that we never quite saw McGarrity hit his full potential. That's my opinion anyway. I'm sure others have different views. Anyway, good luck Ronan, and he'll get to spend more time with his firstborn (I think) child too.
It's a pity to see him go but he has his future and his family to look after and he is right to put them first.
I agree that we never saw McG at his best. Same as his club colleague, Pat Harte, he was cursed with injuries throughout his career and only showed glimpses from time to time of what he was capable of.
I'm convinced that he had what it takes to be a great player and, at his best, he would have proved an invaluable asset to James Horan and the Mayo team this year. Sadly, it was not to be.

Go n-éirí leis.
Title: Anyone know that this is about?
Post by: muppet on January 25, 2013, 07:45:12 PM
http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/58153/potential-changes-at-the-top-table-of-mayo-gaa (http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/58153/potential-changes-at-the-top-table-of-mayo-gaa)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2013, 11:11:52 PM
Vincent Neary of Bonniconlon has filled the secretary's role. Padraig Staunton from Moygownagh is the new Connacht council delegate.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2013, 03:42:36 PM
From Hoganstand.

"Mayo manager James Horan has revealed that his injury list should be subsiding over the next few weeks.

The Connacht champions have been forced to start the league campaign without the likes of Andy Moran, Cillian O'Connor and Even Regan.

Mayo have opened their account with a win and a loss in division one and although the treatment table is set to be less busy, Horan stated to the Western People that it will still be a while before all players return.

He said: 'Andy (Moran) should be in a good position at the end of March and Cillian (O'Connor) and Evan Regan and a number of other lads are almost back from injury too so that's a positive.'"
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: AbbeySider on February 14, 2013, 03:57:20 PM
You are some bit of stuff Farrandeelin for keeping the local Mayo GAA stuff going and even posting here.
I, like everyone else still get the email notifications when someone posts something so I always check it after you put up results, fixtures or news like the above.

Its appreciated, well done for keeping the flag flying.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on March 09, 2013, 03:13:25 PM
Great win for Gearlds today over Jarlaiths in the Connacht A final.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on March 09, 2013, 03:35:36 PM
what was the score?just found it myself;0.09 to 1.04.ulster champs up next.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on March 09, 2013, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 09, 2013, 03:13:25 PM
Great win for Gearlds today over Jarlaiths in the Connacht A final.

Well done Geralds.  ;D In my day the Flanagan Cup was all that could be hope for.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
Taken from hoganstand.com.

The Mayo County Board are seeking nominations for the under-21 football manager's job.

Tony Duffy was in place this year for the first time and it is unknown whether or not he is willing to stay on in the role, as he is currently out of the country.

But, the County Board have decided to give other candidates the opportunity to apply for the role.

There was a healthy discussion over the matter and delegates decided that they would accept nominations for the role and a decision on who would be appointed manager would be made in the coming weeks. - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=195852#sthash.tYm5utoa.dpuf

Interesting that they're accepting nominations without officially speaking to Duffy, not that I was his greatest fan or anything.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on July 08, 2013, 12:59:55 AM
Quoteas he is currently out of the country

So he was on a holiday, presumably, and they decided that he couldn't be contacted and advertised his job?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on September 26, 2013, 09:43:49 AM
I'll move this away from the AIF thread and the rossies and dubs.

Andy moran seemed very confident on tuesday that Horan would stay on.
From talking to someone last nite it seems that he may not and that McStay is in line to take up the job.
Not sure how that would work with Brigids

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 26, 2013, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 26, 2013, 09:43:49 AM
I'll move this away from the AIF thread and the rossies and dubs.

Andy moran seemed very confident on tuesday that Horan would stay on.
From talking to someone last nite it seems that he may not and that McStay is in line to take up the job.
Not sure how that would work with Brigids

Thoughts?

I am not averse to that, but the CB would need to have a meeting first with the squad/senior players and make sure they are on board with McStay or whoever comes next.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 26, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 26, 2013, 09:43:49 AM
I'll move this away from the AIF thread and the rossies and dubs.

Andy moran seemed very confident on tuesday that Horan would stay on.
From talking to someone last nite it seems that he may not and that McStay is in line to take up the job.
Not sure how that would work with Brigids

Thoughts?

I think Mayo still have momentum and need to keep that going and build on it.

That will be extremely hard given the professional attitude and setup of recent years and the unprecedented levels of commitment (imo)

Without James Horan, I would say it would be nigh on impossible.

A new manager would have his own ideas on certain things and usually it would take a season to implement. Not sure how many managers have won it in their first year, and what level the team was coming from?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on September 26, 2013, 10:17:12 AM
Ahem.........Jim Gavin
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 26, 2013, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 26, 2013, 10:17:12 AM
Ahem.........Jim Gavin
Pat O'Shea, Mickey Harte, Joe Kernan, John O'Mahony
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 26, 2013, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2013, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 26, 2013, 10:17:12 AM
Ahem.........Jim Gavin
Pat O'Shea, Mickey Harte, Joe Kernan, John O'Mahony

OK, so totally missed the obvious Gavin - bit addled after a long day at work.

However, the likes of Harte, Kernan, O'Mahony were taking teams coming from lower levels - Armagh lost out in qualifiers in 2001, Tyrone beat by Sligo 2002, Galway didnt get out of Connacht in 97.

For me, only Pat O'Shea would be comparable to what we would be looking for next year (should Horan decide not to stay on - for the record I think he will stay)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 28, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Anyone else hear the rumour that Richie Feeney was on the beer and himself and Horan had to be seperated before the game? Its an awful pity if true as the game was crying out for Feeney. On another topic how would the regular Mayo posters on here like to see things changed for next year bar the obvious of finding 3 Gooch Coopers.Personally i would like to see Vaughan giving a go in midfield beside Seamus with Aidan moved to the forwards.Tom Cunniffe could slot in at no 6 but this would mean young Walsh or Mc Hale would have to be trusted in the corner and im not sure Horan trusts either but the league next year is the place to blood a few new faces.Id also like to see James Burke Evan Regan and Danny Kirby giving a good run to see what they could offer.Where has Tom Parsons gone to he had way to much talent to simply go off the boil????????
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 28, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 28, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Anyone else hear the rumour that Richie Feeney was on the beer and himself and Horan had to be seperated before the game? Its an awful pity if true as the game was crying out for Feeney. On another topic how would the regular Mayo posters on here like to see things changed for next year bar the obvious of finding 3 Gooch Coopers.Personally i would like to see Vaughan giving a go in midfield beside Seamus with Aidan moved to the forwards.Tom Cunniffe could slot in at no 6 but this would mean young Walsh or Mc Hale would have to be trusted in the corner and im not sure Horan trusts either but the league next year is the place to blood a few new faces.Id also like to see James Burke Evan Regan and Danny Kirby giving a good run to see what they could offer.Where has Tom Parsons gone to he had way to much talent to simply go off the boil????????

Yeah, I heard there was a war of words alright dan, but I didn't hear the rumour had gone that far. f**k it if it's true.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 12:59:25 AM
Would you like Horan to stay on Farrandeelin?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 29, 2013, 01:02:46 AM
@mayoman dan

I'd want to be sure of my facts before I went making comment like that about an individual and naming him on the internet. Either that or I would have lots of money.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 01:38:38 AM
Thanks for the advice Muppet im new to all this i was just passing on what i had heard in future i wont name any names because money is something im in short supply of
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on September 29, 2013, 04:24:41 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 01:38:38 AM
Thanks for the advice Muppet im new to all this i was just passing on what i had heard in future i wont name any names because money is something im in short supply of

I'll back ya, now out with the truth
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 29, 2013, 12:34:49 PM
Would find it very hard to believe any inter county player in the modern era would go drinking in the run up to an AIF. I had heard of a bit of a row had between the pair but initially dismissed it as the usual, pre big match rumour stuff. However could it be an explanation for the apparently poor decision making by the sideline in relation to positional switches/ substitutions???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2013, 06:27:28 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 12:59:25 AM
Would you like Horan to stay on Farrandeelin?

I want to remember Horan for the right reasons, but for some circumstances, I just can't. If ya know what I mean. I mean it's all good and well in getting to 2 AIFs in a row, but it's a hoor to lose them, but I mean whatever about the matchups in 2012, the rumours that are circulating around all week are unbelievable if true about last Sunday. I'll wait for facts though before I 'hang' management. I heard from a good source that Freeman wasn't 'sick' at all and that his parents were disgusted when he was taken off. Seems they weren't the only people who couldn't understand the decision.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on September 29, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
In my line of work (and i work in Mayo and meet lots of people) you hear all kinds of sh1te! And the amount of sh1te I heard in the past week would wreck any head. My disgust/disappointment at losing another final is only surpassed by the blame game. The most thing I have come to hate about Mayo football ever since 1996 is we always look for someone to blame. Each final we have a culprit, a fall guy. Anyway, I won't be relaying what I heard, especially under a pseudo name on a Gaa forum. What ever happened is the business of the players and management. In the end they live and die by the sword, we are merely spectators. I hope it is all horse manure and the likelihood is that most of it is. Just us Mayo people looking  once again for something to blame.

As Adolf Hitler once said The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 11:33:21 PM
I think Horan will stay for another year and best of luck to him if he does on reflection i think hes earned it.But one has to ask the question has he alienated certain players with his actions in the final eg Freeman and Feeney? I dont think Evan Regan will be to keen to play for him either.Im not looking for a culprit in Horan but as the manager the buck stops with him and in my view he made some very poor decisions during the final.I couldnt care less if the players and management had an arguement. James should have got our best players on the pitch to give us the best chance of winning the match
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on September 30, 2013, 09:51:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2013, 06:27:28 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 12:59:25 AM
Would you like Horan to stay on Farrandeelin?

I want to remember Horan for the right reasons, but for some circumstances, I just can't. If ya know what I mean. I mean it's all good and well in getting to 2 AIFs in a row, but it's a hoor to lose them, but I mean whatever about the matchups in 2012, the rumours that are circulating around all week are unbelievable if true about last Sunday. I'll wait for facts though before I 'hang' management. I heard from a good source that Freeman wasn't 'sick' at all and that his parents were disgusted when he was taken off. Seems they weren't the only people who couldn't understand the decision.

That's gas Farr, I heard the two of them had a stand up row in coke because Freeman said he was too sick to play and Horan said he had to. I told the fella who told me it sounded like nonsense.
There's all kinda shite being told and believed
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 30, 2013, 09:53:55 AM
I'm glad I'm in Dublin away from all the shite talk.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on September 30, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
If we had won, there wouldn't be a single mention of any of this shite!! I hope Horan stays, he has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude....... reading through some of the players name been mentioned for re-inclusion in the Mayo team of 2014, they all have been tried and re-tried and for what ever reasons have not made the grade, its time we took a leaf out Davy Fitz's book, look to the youngsters, no baggage and they have the freedom of youth...look at O Donnell in the hurling final or Walter Walsh last year for the cats.

Would any Mayo manager we have had over the past 30 years made a ballsy move as Cody of Davy did in the replays of 2012 and 2013.
The youth is where it is at, not lads who were tried and tested, didn't make it and are now been mentioned as a solution to some of our problems....

Keep looking forward!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 30, 2013, 09:28:57 PM
Whether we like it of not things have got a bit messy and that shite is out there and not only among the fair weather fans.

I think that it is Horan s job if he wishes to continue, and I d be happy enough if he chooses to do so. I fear however that it will be very difficult for him to instill the same conviction and belief that we saw in the squad this year. Without that, an AI win would be out of the question. If indeed there has been tactical errors and questionable selections and substitutions nobody would be more aware of these than the players and doubts may well have taken root in some players minds already. One player after the game was asked if they would come back and win it next year and replied ' we could - if Horan picks the right team'

We don t know what the county board wants either. Expertise like Buckley and Ed Coughlan don t come cheap either and the board may wish to downsize. If pressure is put on Horan to trim his backroom team will he walk?

Trouble is if Horan goes we could be back to the bad old days of Johnno, Jim Kielty or Pateen Holmes fairly lively. Those hoping for Horan to quit should be careful what they hope for.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 30, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
If we had won, there wouldn't be a single mention of any of this shite!! I hope Horan stays, he has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude....... reading through some of the players name been mentioned for re-inclusion in the Mayo team of 2014, they all have been tried and re-tried and for what ever reasons have not made the grade, its time we took a leaf out Davy Fitz's book, look to the youngsters, no baggage and they have the freedom of youth...look at O Donnell in the hurling final or Walter Walsh last year for the cats.

Would any Mayo manager we have had over the past 30 years made a ballsy move as Cody of Davy did in the replays of 2012 and 2013.
The youth is where it is at, not lads who were tried and tested, didn't make it and are now been mentioned as a solution to some of our problems....

Keep looking forward!


Maybe some of them didnt make the grade because of the management or lack of it under JOM.Colm Boyle is the perfect example of this.What harm would it do to give Kilcoyne a chance and see what he can do especially under Horan who as u rightly say has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude.Its not like were blessed with free scoring forwards
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 30, 2013, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 30, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
If we had won, there wouldn't be a single mention of any of this shite!! I hope Horan stays, he has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude....... reading through some of the players name been mentioned for re-inclusion in the Mayo team of 2014, they all have been tried and re-tried and for what ever reasons have not made the grade, its time we took a leaf out Davy Fitz's book, look to the youngsters, no baggage and they have the freedom of youth...look at O Donnell in the hurling final or Walter Walsh last year for the cats.

Would any Mayo manager we have had over the past 30 years made a ballsy move as Cody of Davy did in the replays of 2012 and 2013.
The youth is where it is at, not lads who were tried and tested, didn't make it and are now been mentioned as a solution to some of our problems....

Keep looking forward!


Maybe some of them didnt make the grade because of the management or lack of it under JOM.Colm Boyle is the perfect example of this.What harm would it do to give Kilcoyne a chance and see what he can do especially under Horan who as u rightly say has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude.Its not like were blessed with free scoring forwards
Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:49:43 PM



Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?
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I heard he was back living and working in Dublin.Did Coen really score 4-9 at the weekend? Serious stuff if he did.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 30, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
Asked Farr yesterday and was told he was still was over the water.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 30, 2013, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 30, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
If we had won, there wouldn't be a single mention of any of this shite!! I hope Horan stays, he has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude....... reading through some of the players name been mentioned for re-inclusion in the Mayo team of 2014, they all have been tried and re-tried and for what ever reasons have not made the grade, its time we took a leaf out Davy Fitz's book, look to the youngsters, no baggage and they have the freedom of youth...look at O Donnell in the hurling final or Walter Walsh last year for the cats.

Would any Mayo manager we have had over the past 30 years made a ballsy move as Cody of Davy did in the replays of 2012 and 2013.
The youth is where it is at, not lads who were tried and tested, didn't make it and are now been mentioned as a solution to some of our problems....

Keep looking forward!


Maybe some of them didnt make the grade because of the management or lack of it under JOM.Colm Boyle is the perfect example of this.What harm would it do to give Kilcoyne a chance and see what he can do especially under Horan who as u rightly say has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude.Its not like were blessed with free scoring forwards
Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?

He cant be unless he get s back. If I remember correctly Kilcoyne was cut by Horan before he went anywhere? And Parson was cut in Horan s first Spring?

When young O Connell was banging in those goals for Clare I was thinking that this was something that would never happen in Mayo. Untried, untrusted etc. We had a chance to take a chance with Evan Regan this summer but instead he spent the summer in US. He was flying before he left and he could have given us something different. We also ended up not trusting our squad defenders in the final
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 30, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 30, 2013, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 30, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
If we had won, there wouldn't be a single mention of any of this shite!! I hope Horan stays, he has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude....... reading through some of the players name been mentioned for re-inclusion in the Mayo team of 2014, they all have been tried and re-tried and for what ever reasons have not made the grade, its time we took a leaf out Davy Fitz's book, look to the youngsters, no baggage and they have the freedom of youth...look at O Donnell in the hurling final or Walter Walsh last year for the cats.

Would any Mayo manager we have had over the past 30 years made a ballsy move as Cody of Davy did in the replays of 2012 and 2013.
The youth is where it is at, not lads who were tried and tested, didn't make it and are now been mentioned as a solution to some of our problems....

Keep looking forward!


Maybe some of them didnt make the grade because of the management or lack of it under JOM.Colm Boyle is the perfect example of this.What harm would it do to give Kilcoyne a chance and see what he can do especially under Horan who as u rightly say has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude.Its not like were blessed with free scoring forwards
Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?

He cant be unless he get s back. If I remember correctly Kilcoyne was cut by Horan before he went anywhere? And Parson was cut in Horan s first Spring?

When young O Connell was banging in those goals for Clare I was thinking that this was something that would never happen in Mayo. Untried, untrusted etc. We had a chance to take a chance with Evan Regan this summer but instead he spent the summer in US. He was flying before he left and he could have given us something different. We also ended up not trusting our squad defenders in the final
Couldn't persist either with Higgins in the HF line, the three games he started there he finished back in the FB line. A move that I felt could have been the making of the year was never given a full 70 mins, especially in the final when it was looking like it was going to pay off. If Horan isn't going to give a gamble like this with an experienced player like Higgins a chance, what hope is there for guys like Regan being given a serious run?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:49:43 PM



Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?


I heard he was back living and working in Dublin.Did Coen really score 4-9 at the weekend? Serious stuff if he did.
[/quote]

Yeah, 3-4 from play.

Technically Coen is as good a player as you could wish for.
Jason Doherty was outstanding in Sigerson, got injured but I m sure he can be a serious player for us. AFAIC Jason is ahead of where Andy Moran was at 23/24?
Freeman s best years ahead of him also.

f**k this marquee forward lark. We ve enough quality to be getting on with. It s all about getting it right on the big days now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 30, 2013, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:49:43 PM



Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?


I heard he was back living and working in Dublin.Did Coen really score 4-9 at the weekend? Serious stuff if he did.

Yeah, 3-4 from play.

Technically Coen is as good a player as you could wish for.
Jason Doherty was outstanding in Sigerson, got injured but I m sure he can be a serious player for us. AFAIC Jason is ahead of where Andy Moran was at 23/24?
Freeman s best years ahead of him also.

f**k this marquee forward lark. We ve enough quality to be getting on with. It s all about getting it right on the big days now.
[/quote]
And getting a bit of luck on this score as well. Hopefully Andy with a full league campaign behind him and a fully fit COC should bring a bit more edge back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 30, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 30, 2013, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 30, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
If we had won, there wouldn't be a single mention of any of this shite!! I hope Horan stays, he has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude....... reading through some of the players name been mentioned for re-inclusion in the Mayo team of 2014, they all have been tried and re-tried and for what ever reasons have not made the grade, its time we took a leaf out Davy Fitz's book, look to the youngsters, no baggage and they have the freedom of youth...look at O Donnell in the hurling final or Walter Walsh last year for the cats.

Would any Mayo manager we have had over the past 30 years made a ballsy move as Cody of Davy did in the replays of 2012 and 2013.
The youth is where it is at, not lads who were tried and tested, didn't make it and are now been mentioned as a solution to some of our problems....

Keep looking forward!


Maybe some of them didnt make the grade because of the management or lack of it under JOM.Colm Boyle is the perfect example of this.What harm would it do to give Kilcoyne a chance and see what he can do especially under Horan who as u rightly say has transformed Mayo football and the players attitude.Its not like were blessed with free scoring forwards
Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?

He cant be unless he get s back. If I remember correctly Kilcoyne was cut by Horan before he went anywhere? And Parson was cut in Horan s first Spring?

When young O Connell was banging in those goals for Clare I was thinking that this was something that would never happen in Mayo. Untried, untrusted etc. We had a chance to take a chance with Evan Regan this summer but instead he spent the summer in US. He was flying before he left and he could have given us something different. We also ended up not trusting our squad defenders in the final
Couldn't persist either with Higgins in the HF line, the three games he started there he finished back in the FB line. A move that I felt could have been the making of the year was never given a full 70 mins, especially in the final when it was looking like it was going to pay off. If Horan isn't going to give a gamble like this with an experienced player like Higgins a chance, what hope is there for guys like Regan being given a serious run?

Who knows really? But sometimes a manager will make his mind up about players and will have a favoured shape, starters and subs and will use it as default mode even when circumstances change. That is why a change in management is a good thing sometimes. Things can go stale. Some players are always assured of a run while others get pissed off because it doesn t matter how well they re going.
 
Shame about the Higgins thing. Some of us wanted him up the pitch for years, maybe 5 or 6? Playing him at 11 though! It still seems so out of character for Horan it was hard to fathom but great to see. It didn t look like Horan was comfortable with the move though, because at the first sign of heat Higgins was ordered back into the kitchen. This move alone set us back in final as it gave Dublin a stranglehold on mobility around the middle that swung the game in their favour. Instead of coming out battling and taking game to Dublin we went into our shell. I d have preferred to see us take a chance with McHale or Keane. Also it appears that if we needed another sub in backs that McLoughlin would have gone back as cover rather than bring a panel defender.
Kenneth Mortimor played 11 in 99 and I thought he did a good job. Then we lose to Cork and everybody says it was silly even though KM at 11 was not why we lost to Cork.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 30, 2013, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2013, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 30, 2013, 09:49:43 PM



Kilcoyne lives and works in London. I would say the demands of travelling back at the weekends for club football are tough enough. How can he be realistically be an option for the county?


I heard he was back living and working in Dublin.Did Coen really score 4-9 at the weekend? Serious stuff if he did.

Yeah, 3-4 from play.

Technically Coen is as good a player as you could wish for.
Jason Doherty was outstanding in Sigerson, got injured but I m sure he can be a serious player for us. AFAIC Jason is ahead of where Andy Moran was at 23/24?
Freeman s best years ahead of him also.

f**k this marquee forward lark. We ve enough quality to be getting on with. It s all about getting it right on the big days now.
And getting a bit of luck on this score as well. Hopefully Andy with a full league campaign behind him and a fully fit COC should bring a bit more edge back.
[/quote]

Mayo wont win the AI until Cillian O Connor is pulling the strings at 11. If he was fully fit it would have been this year .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 30, 2013, 11:04:59 PM
Anyone read Anthony Hennigan's article in the WP today regarding the minors from junior/intermediate clubs? He wonders if there were divisional teams would a player get a chance from a weak club to make it with the county. Suppose it works in Kerry.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 30, 2013, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 30, 2013, 11:04:59 PM
Anyone read Anthony Hennigan's article in the WP today regarding the minors from junior/intermediate clubs? He wonders if there were divisional teams would a player get a chance from a weak club to make it with the county. Suppose it works in Kerry.

Kinda half thought about reading it. But reading about football - any football - is hard work right now.

Divisional teams are a good idea and we had them about maybe 10/12 years ago. But senior clubs did not like the idea (understandably enough I suppose) and keeping the various junior clubs sweet not easy either. Then you throw in a usual suspect manager type and Aughrim is already lost. Kerry must have done it better.

I doubt there s adult players in weaker clubs that are lost. Crucially I believe it is earlier that the damage is done. Colleges football and development panels are where it happens . A talent from a small club underage is at no disadvantage if he is playing serious colleges football. But there are some lads that play with small clubs and small schools and the odds are stacked against them developing.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 03, 2013, 03:14:48 PM
talking to a man who would be in the know last nite and he reckoned Horan will go in the next week or so and provided McStay doesnt take Micheal Lysters job he'll be in

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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2013, 01:45:15 PM
Mayo CB not giving Horan the amount of money he requires next year. JP Lambe tightening the purse strings it seems.
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Post by: maigheo on October 23, 2013, 03:28:38 AM
Looks like Horan will be back thank God.Reading the comments over on the Willie Joe blog regarding Horan would make you despair at some of the so called Mayo supporters.You would think that Horan had never played past junior b level and did not know one end of the pitch from the other.Some supporters will never appreciate that we probably have the best manager that we have ever had and for me it will be a sad day when he leaves Mayo football.Also a little surprised to hear that it was one of Horans club men that proposed that Horan should come before the county board delegates and answer questions regarding the final loss.Thankfully that was defeated  but I would say that you would have more of a chance of kilkenny winning sam maguire than Horan going before the delegates
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Post by: From the Bunker on October 23, 2013, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: maigheo on October 23, 2013, 03:28:38 AM
Looks like Horan will be back thank God.Reading the comments over on the Willie Joe blog regarding Horan would make you despair at some of the so called Mayo supporters.You would think that Horan had never played past junior b level and did not know one end of the pitch from the other.Some supporters will never appreciate that we probably have the best manager that we have ever had and for me it will be a sad day when he leaves Mayo football.Also a little surprised to hear that it was one of Horans club men that proposed that Horan should come before the county board delegates and answer questions regarding the final loss.Thankfully that was defeated  but I would say that you would have more of a chance of kilkenny winning sam maguire than Horan going before the delegates

But (Ciaran) Kilkenny won Sam Maguire! :P
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Post by: bucko on October 23, 2013, 09:50:03 PM
Official press release from the CB tonight, Horan confirmed as staying on, Jimmy Nallen leaving the management team.
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Post by: Sam2011 on October 23, 2013, 09:51:00 PM
 Uplifting statement from the county board, a month on from the final.

The Mayo County Board Officers earlier tonight held a very productive meeting with James Horan. The Mayo Senior Football Manager has confirmed that he will be staying on as manager and is 100% committed and looking forward to 2014.

Mayo manager James Horan is convinced his team will win an All-Ireland and described the speculation earlier this month on his future as "pure nonsense".
After guiding the county to three Connacht titles and two All-Ireland finals during his three-year term, the Ballintubber native will enter his fourth season at the helm intent on ending Mayo's 63-year wait for Sam Maguire.
"Nothing has changed, the ambition of this squad is to win an All-Ireland and that is an ambition that drives us all," he said.

Both the management team and players already have their heads down and really relishing the challenge ahead and next year cannot come quick enough. The Management Team, Players and County Board will strive to make 2014 every bit as good as 2013 was.

James Horan has confirmed that James Nallen will not be part of next year's back room team. The Crossmolina man, who has been part every Mayo squad since 1995, has had to step back due to family and work commitments.
"It'll be a real shame not to have James with us next year, he's been an inspirational figure to the players and, having played 132 competitive games for Mayo, his experience was something we could always turn to. Replacing a real legend in Mayo football won't be easy. I've met a few people but it's too early to announce anything."

The Mayo County Board at this stage would like to sincerely thank James Nallen for his commitment over the last 2 years in the management setup, and we look forward to seeing him in the future.



All the best to Jimmy Nallen in the future. Hes given an unbelievable service to Mayo football over the years and owes the county nothing.

Now roll on championship 2014!
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Post by: moysider on October 23, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
Well that's that so.

He's entitled to another shot imo. Depressingly I think the bird has flown however.

Some turnover of staff in 3 years. Year 1 Connolly and Jordan gone. Year 2 Cian O Neill gone. Year 3 James Nallen gone.
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Post by: Ballaghman on October 24, 2013, 11:16:31 PM
True, but with that comes much needed freshness, new voices are needed too. I'm delighted he's staying on. For two reasons: He's one of the best managers in the country and secondly the alternatives that were mentioned are not as good as him.
Hopefully the squad will remain intact, that will be his first challenge, convincing certain lads to put travelling (and having a life outside of football) on hold for another year.
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Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 25, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
this is great news IMHO
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Post by: macdanger2 on October 26, 2013, 07:32:28 PM
Good stuff, hopefully he can find the elusive last few pieces of the puzzle
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Post by: muppet on October 31, 2013, 02:51:03 PM
Well if the Boston Red Sox can do it, again, so can we.

Personally I am disappointed to see Nallen go. I was hoping he would take over this coming year or the year after. There seems to be a regular turnover of people from the back room staff which may indicate a problem or it may not. Regarding rows before the Final, some of the rumours are scurrilous and have upset at least one family greatly. The only issues I have heard that are remotely reliable involve the intensity in an A v B match the week before the game. Some subs were busting a gut to make an impression, understandably, while some starters were concerned about getting injured, also understandably. The outcome of these events appears to have left a good impact sub on the bench unused, which is not understandable.

Anyway, James is staying on and we should all back him for the next 12 months. I hope we learned from 2013 though.

Which leads me to the following question:

What 3 things have we learned from 2013?

Discuss......

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Post by: mayoman dan on October 31, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
]What 3 things have we learned from 2013?

1.We learned that Horan has a habit of making disasterous decisions in all Irealnd finals.
2.We learned that our backs are as good as anyone in the country.
3.We learned that Keith Higgins can and should be played as an attacker.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 31, 2013, 05:05:43 PM
1. It wasn't a different Mayo team, than say 1989, 96, 97, 2004,06,12.
2. Obviously our half forwards are not good enough, Higgins playing there was a revelation though.
3. We need everybody fully fit. And if that means starting the club championshps after Mayo get knocked out, then so be it. FFS the league should be over long ago and club players would have their games in good weather as well.
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Post by: moysider on October 31, 2013, 10:11:10 PM
1. Seriously fit and conditioned team even if we appeared to peak for 1/4 final. So much quality in the side you would think they nearly have to get there. Hennelly, Cunniffe, Barrett, Caff, Higgins, Boyle, Keegan 2X O Sé, Freeman would all appear to be on the top of their game. McLoughlin had a blip. Barry, Andy and Dillon should be back after injury. It s a serious panel.
However doubts about the availability of Caff, Keegan, Freeman and Clarkie for next year is worrying. Anybody missing would put a severe dent in things.

2. Management is conservative to a fault. Leaving Higgins at 4 for so long and moving him back there at the first sign of trouble shows fear and inhibition. The Moran, Varley and Doherty substitutions in final looked preordained and did nothing to address the issues on the pitch. Against top teams we seem to get caught out tactically and find it difficult to adapt. We steamroll a lot of teams because we have quality players and we have pace and hunger, but we re still not a clever enough outfit when the opposition is as good as we are. In 2 AI finals we allowed the opposition to orchestrate marking mismatches. Shame because management have done such a fine job in general.

3. There is a AI final issue and it will probably continue. It s a stinking albatross around our neck for some time.
There ll always be a Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal or Cork waiting in a final and they will feel empowered when they re only facing Mayo - because everybody beats us. The more we lose the harder it will be to win. This years loss makes it more difficult again. No matter what they say in team meetings or in public, if this team is still standing next September - and I expect they will -  the pressure on this management will be huge to get it right. Especially if management feel they got things wrong in last 2 finals. On the other hand management may feel they did everything they could and the players just were not good enough? Not sure which scenario is worse :-\

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Post by: mayoman dan on October 31, 2013, 10:56:56 PM
 Against top teams we seem to get caught out tactically and find it difficult to adapt.

I would agree with this 100% Moysider.We always seem to be reactive with our switches as opposed to being the ones catching the opposition on the hop and doing some damage.When we demolished Donegal in the qf giving Higgins the free role played a huge part in us winning the game but as soon as there is a problem in the backs for the following 2 games Higgins is called back into the corner.This would be understandable if  management had no choice but Keane Walshe or Mc Hale could all do a job in the corner for us.Keane would have been perfect form O Gara in the final IMO
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Post by: macdanger2 on November 02, 2013, 06:40:39 AM
Hard to beat the old 20/20 hindsight - if Horan hadn't moved Higgins back and Keane had been roasted, the same 'experts' would be on here wondering why Horan lost us another all Ireland by leaving our all star corner back in the forwards.....
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Post by: muppet on November 02, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 02, 2013, 06:40:39 AM
Hard to beat the old 20/20 hindsight - if Horan hadn't moved Higgins back and Keane had been roasted, the same 'experts' would be on here wondering why Horan lost us another all Ireland by leaving our all star corner back in the forwards.....

In fairness as least they have hindsight, you have if and wondering.
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Post by: mayoman dan on November 02, 2013, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 02, 2013, 06:40:39 AM
Hard to beat the old 20/20 hindsight - if Horan hadn't moved Higgins back and Keane had been roasted, the same 'experts' would be on here wondering why Horan lost us another all Ireland by leaving our all star corner back in the forwards.....

I never claimed to be an expert.Its my opinion on one of a number of changes that i believe cost us the all ireland
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 04, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
1. Mayo support died a death in the AI final. I've never seen a collapse of support for a team in such a tight game. We were 2 points down with 7 minutes to go! A pure disgrace. Would we be the same in a Connacht final in the same circumstances?

2. We have a bigger hill to climb than in 2010.

3. We are about 3 good players short of having a comfortable chance of winning Sam.  One corner back, One centre Forward and One full forward?
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Post by: moysider on November 04, 2013, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
1. Mayo support died a death in the AI final. I've never seen a collapse of support for a team in such a tight game. We were 2 points down with 7 minutes to go! A pure disgrace. Would we be the same in a Connacht final in the same circumstances?

2. We have a bigger hill to climb than in 2010.

3. We are about 3 good players short of having a comfortable chance of winning Sam.  One corner back, One centre Forward and One full forward?

Why do you think the support collapsed Bunker? In fairness a few people about me kept it going. But a lot were dumbstruck for second half.

Not sure what you mean by point 2.

As for point 3. Yeah it would be nice to get 3 more quality players but remember Donegal and Dublin won without being perfect in every position. If it takes a 9/10 player in every position to win an AI we may as well forget about it.

Injuries all cleared up I d be hoping for something like this next year.

Hennelly ( his spot while he s injury and form holds up)

Cunniffe, Caff, Barrett,
Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, ( doesn t have to be in that order either)

SOS B Moran

McLoughlin AOS ?????
O Connor, Freeman, A Moran,

I d like to see Kirby get games in spring. Maybe Parsons needs another look too. I d like to see a bigger mobile rangy player at 10 or 12 like Dublin use Flynn.
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Post by: mayoman dan on November 04, 2013, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2013, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
1. Mayo support died a death in the AI final. I've never seen a collapse of support for a team in such a tight game. We were 2 points down with 7 minutes to go! A pure disgrace. Would we be the same in a Connacht final in the same circumstances?

2. We have a bigger hill to climb than in 2010.

3. We are about 3 good players short of having a comfortable chance of winning Sam.  One corner back, One centre Forward and One full forward?

Why do you think the support collapsed Bunker? In fairness a few people about me kept it going. But a lot were dumbstruck for second half.

Not sure what you mean by point 2.

As for point 3. Yeah it would be nice to get 3 more quality players but remember Donegal and Dublin won without being perfect in every position. If it takes a 9/10 player in every position to win an AI we may as well forget about it.

Injuries all cleared up I d be hoping for something like this next year.

Hennelly ( his spot while he s injury and form holds up)

Cunniffe, Caff, Barrett,
Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, ( doesn t have to be in that order either)

SOS B Moran

McLoughlin AOS ?????
O Connor, Freeman, A Moran,

I d like to see Kirby get games in spring. Maybe Parsons needs another look too. I d like to see a bigger mobile rangy player at 10 or 12 like Dublin use Flynn.
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Would Donal Vaughan not be on your team Moy? Id agree hes not a 6 but i think hes too good to leave out
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Post by: moysider on November 04, 2013, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on November 04, 2013, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2013, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
1. Mayo support died a death in the AI final. I've never seen a collapse of support for a team in such a tight game. We were 2 points down with 7 minutes to go! A pure disgrace. Would we be the same in a Connacht final in the same circumstances?

2. We have a bigger hill to climb than in 2010.

3. We are about 3 good players short of having a comfortable chance of winning Sam.  One corner back, One centre Forward and One full forward?

Why do you think the support collapsed Bunker? In fairness a few people about me kept it going. But a lot were dumbstruck for second half.

Not sure what you mean by point 2.

As for point 3. Yeah it would be nice to get 3 more quality players but remember Donegal and Dublin won without being perfect in every position. If it takes a 9/10 player in every position to win an AI we may as well forget about it.

Injuries all cleared up I d be hoping for something like this next year.

Hennelly ( his spot while he s injury and form holds up)

Cunniffe, Caff, Barrett,
Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, ( doesn t have to be in that order either)

SOS B Moran

McLoughlin AOS ?????
O Connor, Freeman, A Moran,

I d like to see Kirby get games in spring. Maybe Parsons needs another look too. I d like to see a bigger mobile rangy player at 10 or 12 like Dublin use Flynn.
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Would Donal Vaughan not be on your team Moy? Id agree hes not a 6 but i think hes too good to leave out

No 2 people would agree entirely about players. Besides it s a 18-20 man game now. Add in the inevitable injuries, you know need a panel of serious players into the 20s.

The team I picked above was just to demonstrate that there are very few weak positions on a Mayo side. The usual droning about out forwards is already starting of course.
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Post by: mayoman dan on November 04, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
Well listening to the lads on Madwest yesterday they think we might have found a forward in Mikey Sweeney.Lets hope there right.Personally i think if we get the lads we have fit it wont be as much of an issue as some seem to think.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 04, 2013, 10:35:08 PM
A lot of bar stool pundits will say though that Sweeney is too small. As for Bunker's first point, fans react to what they see on the pitch. We were over ran in the third quarter and despite being 2 down, there was an sensing of inevitability about the whole thing.

PS mayoman dan. Learn how to quote properly! ;D
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 04, 2013, 10:53:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2013, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
1. Mayo support died a death in the AI final. I've never seen a collapse of support for a team in such a tight game. We were 2 points down with 7 minutes to go! A pure disgrace. Would we be the same in a Connacht final in the same circumstances?

2. We have a bigger hill to climb than in 2010.

3. We are about 3 good players short of having a comfortable chance of winning Sam.  One corner back, One centre Forward and One full forward?

Why do you think the support collapsed Bunker? In fairness a few people about me kept it going. But a lot were dumbstruck for second half.

Not sure what you mean by point 2.

As for point 3. Yeah it would be nice to get 3 more quality players but remember Donegal and Dublin won without being perfect in every position. If it takes a 9/10 player in every position to win an AI we may as well forget about it.

Injuries all cleared up I d be hoping for something like this next year.

Hennelly ( his spot while he s injury and form holds up)

Cunniffe, Caff, Barrett,
Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, ( doesn t have to be in that order either)

SOS B Moran

McLoughlin AOS ?????
O Connor, Freeman, A Moran,

I d like to see Kirby get games in spring. Maybe Parsons needs another look too. I d like to see a bigger mobile rangy player at 10 or 12 like Dublin use Flynn.

What i mean from point two is that we for the first time since 2010 we will be going into the Championship a little bit confused as to where we are. Are we on the way up or the way down? Have we hit our peak with this group? Last year we lost an AI Final and thought to ourselves we can come back from this stronger (maybe). And in fairness we did come back stronger. It will the a huge effort to motivate this group to push on. Everything is against them now. Journalists and Media will harp on with the usual stereotypical quotes. The Mayo fans don't really believe in them. We are happy with the 'Well we were still in the game with 20 minutes gone' mindset. Our ruthlessness in games built up this season came crumbling down in the final. We were back to being a scared team and this mostly came from the sideline and filtered into the stands. COC effort at the end of the Final epitomised our mindset.

Anyway rant over. Hopefully we get a better run with injuries this year. Feck last year was a disaster! We still have a great squad and we should make an AI semi at least. Give Mickie Sweeney from Kiltane a run. Try Keegan again as a half forward. I hate to say this, but (Really) try and win the National League. Connacht is only middelin, so it may be worth taking the League serious.
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Post by: muppet on November 04, 2013, 11:00:04 PM
1. Manage the players seasons such that they peak in September. The O'Sheas played a hell of a lot of football this year, Aidan in particular with Sigerson etc. A fresh Barry Moran looked a level above them in the County Final.

2. Don't play injured players and certainly no more than 1 in any game. It must be galling for players who consistently do well as subs to watch obviously injured players start ahead of them over and over again. Particularly when they aren't taken off and men who are going well enough are taken off.

3. With the above in mind, the likes of the O'Sheas, the 6 backs that started the final (maybe Cunniffe & Barrett accepted) & Kevin McLaughlin should be rested for the FBD and played lightly in the League. They have played a lot of football and probably would benefit from a break. Caff should be begged to stay around for the year. Hennelly should start the year as number 1. O'Connor needs to be left alone to make a full recovery for his own sake as much as anything else. Dillon needs to get fully fit before returning. Moran was improving by the Final and should be played in the FBD. Freeman should start at 14. New players should be given an extended run. I saw Mikey Sweeney play for Mayo before and wasn't impressed, but then look at the impact Boyle made on his second coming. I would like to see Patrick Durcan, Danny Kirby and Aidan Walsh of Mitchels and Liam Irwin of Breaffy given FBD games. Lots of them.
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Post by: moysider on November 04, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on November 04, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
Well listening to the lads on Madwest yesterday they think we might have found a forward in Mikey Sweeney.Lets hope there right.Personally i think if we get the lads we have fit it wont be as much of an issue as some seem to think.

Any idea who were they exactly?
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Post by: moysider on November 05, 2013, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 02, 2013, 06:40:39 AM
Hard to beat the old 20/20 hindsight - if Horan hadn't moved Higgins back and Keane had been roasted, the same 'experts' would be on here wondering why Horan lost us another all Ireland by leaving our all star corner back in the forwards.....

Sure that s the thing! It was a very understandable call. But why are you getting so defensive about James Horan? The last thing Mayo needs is another sacred cow.

Higgins was called back to batten the hatches and did a good job. But we lost his influence, athleticism and enthusiasm around the middle 1/3 where we were destroyed in second half and lost the game there.
All star corner back award stuff is irrelevant  - Karl Lacey won at least one all-star in corner but he was not playing in the corner when he was beating us in 2012. Higgins is one of the best footballers we ve ever had - not just one of the best corner backs we ve ever had. Playing him back in the corner does the opposition a big favour. This managment has had time to get cover for 2 or 4.

Look, it was Horan's job to select teams for AI finals and decide tactics, subs, switches, etc. And he also choose to get rid of players from panel earlier. That s a manager's call and I think he got a lot right. But he has to be appraised. Like every top county manager is. Mickey Harte won 3 from 3 AIs ( arguably against better teams than we lost to). James Horan has lost 2 finals to teams that were beatable. Mickey Harte won finals against a Kerry team we could not survive with. This Mayo team has lost 2 AI finals that could have been won. Not should have been won, but could have been won. I understand why Higgins was put back, but we still lost.
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Post by: mayoman dan on November 05, 2013, 07:51:58 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on November 04, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
Well listening to the lads on Madwest yesterday they think we might have found a forward in Mikey Sweeney.Lets hope there right.Personally i think if we get the lads we have fit it wont be as much of an issue as some seem to think.

Any idea who were they exactly?

Billy Fitzpatrick was one of them the other fellas name escapes me he does be commentating on tv3 aswell i think
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Post by: mayoman dan on November 05, 2013, 08:28:52 PM
This managment has had time to get cover for 2 or 4.


This is why moving Higgins back was so infuriating.We had 3 lads on the bench who could have done a job in the corner but were not given sufficent game time prior to the final and in turn were not trusted on the big day.Horans decisions in the final were a disaster.None of our subs had a positive influence on the game but at the same time we left a proven game changer on the bench and we left our best ball player fighting fires at the back.These decisions cost us and they cost us dear
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 05, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on November 05, 2013, 07:51:58 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on November 04, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
Well listening to the lads on Madwest yesterday they think we might have found a forward in Mikey Sweeney.Lets hope there right.Personally i think if we get the lads we have fit it wont be as much of an issue as some seem to think.

Any idea who were they exactly?

Billy Fitzpatrick was one of them the other fellas name escapes me he does be commentating on tv3 aswell i think

Mike 'can you hear the roar of the crowd' Finnerty.
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Post by: moysider on November 05, 2013, 09:17:14 PM

I m sure Mikey Sweeney will get another look if his club form is that impressive.

I don t think he can be mentioned in the same company as Boyle or Conroy but that just an opinion.

I hope Parsons gets to fulfill his potential and I hope Kirby takes the step up. Regan seems to be getting up to speed again. A good U21 campaign and hopefully he ll push on next Summer. He ll have to be in the squad though.
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 05, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 05, 2013, 09:17:14 PM

I m sure Mikey Sweeney will get another look if his club form is that impressive.

I don t think he can be mentioned in the same company as Boyle or Conroy but that just an opinion.

I hope Parsons gets to fulfill his potential and I hope Kirby takes the step up. Regan seems to be getting up to speed again. A good U21 campaign and hopefully he ll push on next Summer. He ll have to be in the squad though.

Will be interesting to see if anybody new throws their lot in with Horan. Many new and former players I'm sure who are discreetly approached each year and can not or don't want to give the commitment.

At the end of the day if a players heart is not 100% into it he will be found out sooner or later.

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Post by: moysider on November 06, 2013, 12:24:41 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 05, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 05, 2013, 09:17:14 PM

I m sure Mikey Sweeney will get another look if his club form is that impressive.

I don t think he can be mentioned in the same company as Boyle or Conroy but that just an opinion.

I hope Parsons gets to fulfill his potential and I hope Kirby takes the step up. Regan seems to be getting up to speed again. A good U21 campaign and hopefully he ll push on next Summer. He ll have to be in the squad though.

Will be interesting to see if anybody new throws their lot in with Horan. Many new and former players I'm sure who are discreetly approached each year and can not or don't want to give the commitment.

At the end of the day if a players heart is not 100% into it he will be found out sooner or later.

Don t think it s that simple Brunker. In fairness I dont think it s that simple.
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Post by: intoDwest on November 07, 2013, 12:55:06 PM
As a Kiltane man I would be as proud as hell to see a Mayo man line out in the corner for Mayo on an All Ireland Sunday but unforunatly I do not think that Mickey Sweeney would be the answer to start, super club footballer who with the right ball will roast most club corner backs but it is a big jump in standard to be a starting inter county corner forward at the level we hope mayo to be at.

That being said he would in my opinion be a far better option then Enda Varley, he is more inclined to head for goal then the corner flag and that if there is a goal chance then he will take it on.

You cant have a squad with too many the size of Varley/Sweeney/Reegan in it but if it was up to me I'd cut Varley loose as we know what he is and what he is capable off and give the other two a run in the FBD/League to see who is more up to the task.



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Post by: moysider on November 08, 2013, 10:32:40 PM

The word locally is that Cafferkey and Clarke are going to stick around for next year. Most people - apart from the obvious exceptions - would welcome this I expect.

Hopefully Keegan will be available as well.
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Post by: mayoman dan on November 08, 2013, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 08, 2013, 10:32:40 PM

The word locally is that Cafferkey and Clarke are going to stick around for next year. Most people - apart from the obvious exceptions - would welcome this I expect.

Hopefully Keegan will be available as well.

This is great news.I was told by the person who told me this that Keegan has commited to another year and this is  Horans last year.
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Post by: Syferus on November 09, 2013, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 08, 2013, 10:32:40 PM

The word locally is that Cafferkey and Clarke are going to stick around for next year. Most people - apart from the obvious exceptions - would welcome this I expect.

Hopefully Keegan will be available as well.

Why exactly would there even be question about any of the three not returning?

Clarke might be a little shook after Hennelly's displays at county and club this year but he never struck me as a man for quitting. The other two are in the prime of their careers.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 09, 2013, 06:19:24 PM
RUMOURS Syf. That Caff had to go due to work commitments. Not sure about the other 2 though.
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 09, 2013, 08:06:17 PM
This is Horan's last year. Especially if we don't make the promised land! Everybody is on board from what i hear. Anyone who goes will be those who are let go. There is still a feeling among the group that they still can do it. Personally I think they have missed the boat(s). Hope I am wrong! Please prove me wrong!
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Post by: muppet on November 09, 2013, 08:35:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 09, 2013, 08:06:17 PM
This is Horan's last year. Especially if we don't make the promised land! Everybody is on board from what i hear. Anyone who goes will be those who are let go. There is still a feeling among the group that they still can do it. Personally I think they have missed the boat(s). Hope I am wrong! Please prove me wrong!

They can win it. They need a bit of luck with no injuries etc but they are well able to win it.

Mayo - Dublin again next year.
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Post by: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
Quote from: muppet on November 09, 2013, 08:35:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 09, 2013, 08:06:17 PM
This is Horan's last year. Especially if we don't make the promised land! Everybody is on board from what i hear. Anyone who goes will be those who are let go. There is still a feeling among the group that they still can do it. Personally I think they have missed the boat(s). Hope I am wrong! Please prove me wrong!

They can win it. They need a bit of luck with no injuries etc but they are well able to win it.

Mayo - Dublin again next year.

Right now with Donegal, Kildare, Cork and Kerry in varying degrees of disrepair and Tyrone's younger players showing a distinct lack of progression it seems the obvious pairing but there was clear signs that the Horan era was starting to chug before he committed to the extra year. The money issue is going to play some role in what Horan can actually do in 2014. Is there enough money for Buckley full stop, nevermind the extravagance of another trip to Miami?

For Mayo Horan is your best bet for 2014 but I can't see how he's going to return to the well for that level of intensity a fourth time in a row and not find it a little dry.
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Post by: larryin89 on November 10, 2013, 01:41:55 AM
Lol, more chance of pigs flying than Mayo winning the all Ireland next year. Will be hard pressed to retain the Nestor cup.

Another Mayo era will end and all we will have is  regret . We had our chance this year, never will we be presented with such a chance again, Dublin didn't show and we were just shy of useless, nothing to offer up front. Andy Moran, Alan Dillon, enda Varley, and a couple more are not going to win you an all Ireland , Moran and Dillon s best days are behind them, Varley doc Conroy etc are just not good enough to kick on and win for you on the big day.

Horan made the wrong choice, he should of stepped aside, he has done all he can and has done brilliant at that but he can do no more , it's mentally impossible to achieve it now. The severe pressure that will surround his last hurrah next year alon will be too much for this panel. Every game we play , will just be deemed unimportant till sept ( which I would bet my house on that we won't make it that far ) .

Horan ideally had paved the way for someone to step in and take the last step to glory but he refused and has made a grave mistake and sacrificed the progress of Mayo football .

Would not be one bit surprised if we were beat in the Hyde .
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 10, 2013, 08:25:24 AM
I thought that I was the pessimistic among us. And to a degree, I share larry's sentiment about going back to the well for more. Not mentally, but physically. The last 3 years must be the most intense training regimes etc from any point of view. Nothing to be spared etc. Yet we didn't win the damn thing. Last 8 at best next year.
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 10, 2013, 07:08:55 PM
Donegal gave two big years into getting Sam and at the end of year two they got there. Look what happened to them last year in year three. Burned to sh!t. Mayo are onto year four and no Sam, god only knows what shape we will be in? Semi final can be achieved because we are better than most of the chasing bunch despite all the baggage! Resting players and not taking the League seriously did not work for Donegal, Would it work for us?


Quote from: larryin89 on November 10, 2013, 01:41:55 AM


Another Mayo era will end and all we will have is  regret . We had our chance this year, never will we be presented with such a chance again, Dublin didn't show and we were just shy of useless, nothing to offer up front. Andy Moran, Alan Dillon, enda Varley, and a couple more are not going to win you an all Ireland , Moran and Dillon s best days are behind them, Varley doc Conroy etc are just not good enough to kick on and win for you on the big day.



I think Moran held his own in the final! Doherty could not be rated as he played little or nothing this year. But I do realise that others fell short in the final and that includes McLoughlin and O'Connor (for obvious reasons). I won't even speak about Freeman! Anyway you are right another collapse!
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Post by: moysider on November 10, 2013, 10:23:08 PM

And I thought I was pessimistic.

I d be confident of another good run but would not trust us tactically to get over the line. I think we ve lost 2 because we were not smart enough rather than lacking technically.

Top players - and we have top players - will be rearing to go again after the break. Can t see hunger being a problem and the condition they are in I cant see them being shot to bits. Most are still improving physically and skillwise.

The bad feeling around FeeneyFreemangate may linger and it will be interesting to see if they figure in 2014 plans. Horan does not appear to be somebody to bury hatchets.

The panel might need a bit of freshening up but hard to see where it is going to from.

Hopefully we ll get injured players back. We got to AI final with 50% of the starting forwards injured or in recovery. Conroy and Doherty also injured for most of summer, McLoughlin off form too.

I think management will determine our fortunes next year. The players have been brilliant and wont go away.
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Post by: muppet on November 10, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
In goal we have Hennelly or Clarke. No problems there.

We could start with a defence containing 4 All-Star players, plus 2 from Cunniffe, Barrett & Vaughan. If you move Higgins forward, and I would, the remaining 6 ain't half bad. Then there are capable subs as cover there although management don't appear to have much faith in them.

Midfield is at least 2 from Moran and the O'Sheas. But we could also do something different with Aidan in which case that leaves 4. Fit and on their game Cillian, Kevin and Andy would have to start in any team.

That would be 14 players with the problem of what system to play and where to play Keith and Aidan.

Then you would have Freeman, Conroy, Doc, Alan Dillon, Carolan and anything else that emerges over the winter fighting for a place.

Why would any Mayo supporter expect an exit before, or at, the last 8 with that lot?
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Post by: moysider on November 10, 2013, 11:10:22 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 10, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
In goal we have Hennelly or Clarke. No problems there.

We could start with a defence containing 4 All-Star players, plus 2 from Cunniffe, Barrett & Vaughan. If you move Higgins forward, and I would, the remaining 6 ain't half bad. Then there are capable subs as cover there although management don't appear to have much faith in them.

Midfield is at least 2 from Moran and the O'Sheas. But we could also do something different with Aidan in which case that leaves 4. Fit and on their game Cillian, Kevin and Andy would have to start in any team.

That would be 14 players with the problem of what system to play and where to play Keith and Aidan.

Then you would have Freeman, Conroy, Doc, Alan Dillon, Carolan and anything else that emerges over the winter fighting for a place.

Why would any Mayo supporter expect an exit before, or at, the last 8 with that lot?

If what I m listening to is typical of Mayo supporters' opinion then it s a management thing. People could not figure the Dillon, Freeman, Feeney, Higgins stuff.
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Post by: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
And we used to lag Farr for being too pessimistic...
Right now, I've left him in my slipstream!  ;D
I think Horan has done an exceptional job in taking the team that was humiliated by both Sligo and Longford in 2010 and made it into one of the top sides in the land.
But I can't see an All-Ireland in either James or his players.
I think he is the best Mayo manager I have seen and I've sure seen a lot but in times of serious pressure, he tends to take wrong options.
IMO, this happened in the 2012 final and again this year. There were other debateable incidents in matches prior to both finals but he seems to be gaffe-prone when the stakes are at their highest.
He certainly put the strongest side available to him on the field against Dublin and deserves great credit for getting them there in spectacular style but some of his decisions during the game were inexplicable to say the least.
However, his biggest problem was the lack of quality forwards. A look at the All-Star nominations and awards leaves one in no doubt about this.
We had 10 nominations in all but only one forward, COC, got listed. Dublin had the same number of nominations but six of their forwards were included.
In all honesty, I don't think we had another forward worthy of consideration for an award. Our year could have had a different ending if Andy and Cillian were fully fit going into the final but that's only supposition at this stage.
They are the only ones I'd consider to be All-Star material.
From the late 80s onwards, Mayo has produced plenty of good players from goal out to midfield but there has been damn few quality forwards in that time. For me, this has been the consistent trait of all teams of that era and I can't foresee any significant change as I look to next year.
There may well be a few changes to the side for next year's campaign but I don't see any major new finds ion the offing. Maybe I'm wrong but nothing I've heard to date suggests otherwise.
I can see us getting out of Connacht once more but even here, I'd be wary of Galway; they're a coming force and sooner or later, the Rossies will get their act together also. A provincial title is a probability alright but after that it's going to down to the luck of the draw. I can't see an All-Ireland in the present side.

Not for the first time, I'm hoping that I'll be proved wrong..
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Post by: moysider on November 12, 2013, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
And we used to lag Farr for being too pessimistic...
Right now, I've left him in my slipstream!  ;D
I think Horan has done an exceptional job in taking the team that was humiliated by both Sligo and Longford in 2010 and made it into one of the top sides in the land.
But I can't see an All-Ireland in either James or his players.
I think he is the best Mayo manager I have seen and I've sure seen a lot but in times of serious pressure, he tends to take wrong options.
IMO, this happened in the 2012 final and again this year. There were other debateable incidents in matches prior to both finals but he seems to be gaffe-prone when the stakes are at their highest.
He certainly put the strongest side available to him on the field against Dublin and deserves great credit for getting them there in spectacular style but some of his decisions during the game were inexplicable to say the least.
However, his biggest problem was the lack of quality forwards. A look at the All-Star nominations and awards leaves one in no doubt about this.We had 10 nominations in all but only one forward, COC, got listed. Dublin had the same number of nominations but six of their forwards were included.
In all honesty, I don't think we had another forward worthy of consideration for an award. Our year could have had a different ending if Andy and Cillian were fully fit going into the final but that's only supposition at this stage.
They are the only ones I'd consider to be All-Star material.
From the late 80s onwards, Mayo has produced plenty of good players from goal out to midfield but there has been damn few quality forwards in that time. For me, this has been the consistent trait of all teams of that era and I can't foresee any significant change as I look to next year.
There may well be a few changes to the side for next year's campaign but I don't see any major new finds ion the offing. Maybe I'm wrong but nothing I've heard to date suggests otherwise.
I can see us getting out of Connacht once more but even here, I'd be wary of Galway; they're a coming force and sooner or later, the Rossies will get their act together also. A provincial title is a probability alright but after that it's going to down to the luck of the draw. I can't see an All-Ireland in the present side.

Not for the first time, I'm hoping that I'll be proved wrong..

Two of the starting forwards v Dublin have been All -Stars. O Connor has been YPOTY twice and top scorer in this year's championship. McLoughlin should have got an All-Star last year. Freeman was also heading in the right direction.

Last year Donegal won with 2 1/2 forwards.

You mention our lack of quality forwards since the 80s compared to the defence and midfield and maybe you ve a point. I d argue that tactics/coaching has been the issue rather than quality individuals. In that time we ve had some of our best ever forwards like McDanger, Kevin O Neill and Horan himself. But some of those managers would not have won if they had Jinkin Joe, McDanger, Joe McGrath, Kevin O Neill, Tom Langan and Padraic Carney in their team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2013, 09:09:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 12, 2013, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
And we used to lag Farr for being too pessimistic...
Right now, I've left him in my slipstream!  ;D
I think Horan has done an exceptional job in taking the team that was humiliated by both Sligo and Longford in 2010 and made it into one of the top sides in the land.
But I can't see an All-Ireland in either James or his players.
I think he is the best Mayo manager I have seen and I've sure seen a lot but in times of serious pressure, he tends to take wrong options.
IMO, this happened in the 2012 final and again this year. There were other debateable incidents in matches prior to both finals but he seems to be gaffe-prone when the stakes are at their highest.
He certainly put the strongest side available to him on the field against Dublin and deserves great credit for getting them there in spectacular style but some of his decisions during the game were inexplicable to say the least.
However, his biggest problem was the lack of quality forwards. A look at the All-Star nominations and awards leaves one in no doubt about this.We had 10 nominations in all but only one forward, COC, got listed. Dublin had the same number of nominations but six of their forwards were included.
In all honesty, I don't think we had another forward worthy of consideration for an award. Our year could have had a different ending if Andy and Cillian were fully fit going into the final but that's only supposition at this stage.
They are the only ones I'd consider to be All-Star material.
From the late 80s onwards, Mayo has produced plenty of good players from goal out to midfield but there has been damn few quality forwards in that time. For me, this has been the consistent trait of all teams of that era and I can't foresee any significant change as I look to next year.
There may well be a few changes to the side for next year's campaign but I don't see any major new finds ion the offing. Maybe I'm wrong but nothing I've heard to date suggests otherwise.
I can see us getting out of Connacht once more but even here, I'd be wary of Galway; they're a coming force and sooner or later, the Rossies will get their act together also. A provincial title is a probability alright but after that it's going to down to the luck of the draw. I can't see an All-Ireland in the present side.

Not for the first time, I'm hoping that I'll be proved wrong..

Two of the starting forwards v Dublin have been All -Stars. O Connor has been YPOTY twice and top scorer in this year's championship. McLoughlin should have got an All-Star last year. Freeman was also heading in the right direction.

Last year Donegal won with 2 1/2 forwards.

You mention our lack of quality forwards since the 80s compared to the defence and midfield and maybe you ve a point. I d argue that tactics/coaching has been the issue rather than quality individuals. In that time we ve had some of our best ever forwards like McDanger, Kevin O Neill and Horan himself. But some of those managers would not have won if they had Jinkin Joe, McDanger, Joe McGrath, Kevin O Neill, Tom Langan and Padraic Carney in their team.
All good valid observations Moy but the fact remains that if we had a bit more scoring power up front, we could well be AI champions now.  No disrespect to Dublin intended but they were very vulnerable that day and we have only ourselves to blame for letting another chance slip out of our grasp.   
With about 15 mins to go, Dublin were just two points ahead with only 13 men capable of playing and still Mayo couldn't overtake them. Andy's goal was the only score from play in the entire second half.
Mayo's last score from play before that, was a point by the same player, around 50 mins beforehand.
50 friggin' minutes without a score from play! 
Apart from Andy, Keith Higgins was the only forward to register a score from play during the entire game. Four of the five substitutions were made in the forwards as Horan tried desperately to add some firepower up front. He wasn't altogether successful in his attempts to do so to put it mildly.
Now, I'm not suffering from delayed action trauma or the likes; the only benefit to be gained from dwelling on the past is that it may help to give some idea of what is likely to happen in the future.
I'm not nearly as pessimistic as Larry and I don't expect we'll lose in Connacht but I don't see Sam coming our way any time soon unless Horan can somehow strengthen the attack and he has limited scope here.
If Andy and Cillian manage to shake of the effects of their injuries, it would be a major step in the right direction but that's not to be taken for granted.

Andy, like Alan, is now around the 30 mark and both of them have a lot of mileage on their respective clocks. Time is not on their side. Indeed for a good few players and for Horan also, next year could be a gig in the last chance saloon.
I hope I'm totally wrong but right now, I'm in Farrandeeliin mood as I weigh up our chances for next year.
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Post by: Syferus on November 13, 2013, 10:17:30 PM
Yer in a for a Hyding, lads.

Even if next year looks a little murky in the medium term Mayo are in a good place with some good prospsects in the positions of need coming through. The AIF complex has grown into a monster at this stage and it will take an excellent man-manager to get the best out of Mayo when they do reach the third Sunday again.
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Post by: moysider on December 02, 2013, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2013, 10:17:30 PM
Yer in a for a Hyding, lads.

Even if next year looks a little murky in the medium term Mayo are in a good place with some good prospsects in the positions of need coming through. The AIF complex has grown into a monster at this stage and it will take an excellent man-manager to get the best out of Mayo when they do reach the third Sunday again.

What positions would they be Sy?
I honestly believe we need a tactician rather than a man-manager, whatever that is?
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Post by: the Deel Rover on December 02, 2013, 07:17:07 PM
Whats the craic about ballina not selling the club mayo tickets ?
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Post by: prewtna on December 03, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
they seem to have a gripe about not getting national league games / county finals anymore.

decision was made at county convention to have all these games in the county ground - McHale park - and i think that is proper order. whether we like mchale park or not (i dont agree with the design decisions taken in the stand but i wont get into that here), it is the premier ground in the county and as such i think all finals and county games should be there.

Also, there is a certain gravitas / significance for club players being able to tog out in the mayo dressing rooms and play on the county pitch for club games at the latter end of the respective championships. i know i get a kick out of it personally. i couldn't say the same about togging out in Ballina unfortunately.

but i do have fond memories of being at Mayo matches in the past there, there was a cracking atmosphere, but times have moved on.
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Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2013, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 02, 2013, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2013, 10:17:30 PM
Yer in a for a Hyding, lads.

Even if next year looks a little murky in the medium term Mayo are in a good place with some good prospsects in the positions of need coming through. The AIF complex has grown into a monster at this stage and it will take an excellent man-manager to get the best out of Mayo when they do reach the third Sunday again.

What positions would they be Sy?
I honestly believe we need a tactician rather than a man-manager, whatever that is?

I think Adam Gallagher can become (in a relatively short time) the proper 11 Mayo have needed since Andy got moved toward goal, while Hanley and Loftus at minor have shown plenty at HF, and Conroy and Irwin in the FF have senior potential too. I think Doherty has lots of talent too but needs to look for the pass much more if he's going to make it at senior, you can get away with the Shane Walsh runs towards the posts at underage but not when you're going up against fully grown men.

Everyone isn't going to make it but if even two of those names make it Mayo won't be crying out for scorers in three or four years time when you add in how good COC was with a frigged shoulder this year. Mayo are solid at the back for a few years moving forward, unless multiple panellists take breaks and even then there's a few good prospects coming up there too.

In the shorter term I'd hope that Horan and Alan Freeman have made amends as Freeman showed real progression this season and deserves the chance in 2014 to develop into the undisputed 14.
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Post by: moysider on December 04, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: prewtna on December 03, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
they seem to have a gripe about not getting national league games / county finals anymore.

decision was made at county convention to have all these games in the county ground - McHale park - and i think that is proper order. whether we like mchale park or not (i dont agree with the design decisions taken in the stand but i wont get into that here), it is the premier ground in the county and as such i think all finals and county games should be there.

Also, there is a certain gravitas / significance for club players being able to tog out in the mayo dressing rooms and play on the county pitch for club games at the latter end of the respective championships. i know i get a kick out of it personally. i couldn't say the same about togging out in Ballina unfortunately.

but i do have fond memories of being at Mayo matches in the past there, there was a cracking atmosphere, but times have moved on.

I think the Ballina chairman made a good case for getting an odd game in the town. It s not just a club thing.
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Post by: the Deel Rover on December 04, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 04, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: prewtna on December 03, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
they seem to have a gripe about not getting national league games / county finals anymore.

decision was made at county convention to have all these games in the county ground - McHale park - and i think that is proper order. whether we like mchale park or not (i dont agree with the design decisions taken in the stand but i wont get into that here), it is the premier ground in the county and as such i think all finals and county games should be there.

Also, there is a certain gravitas / significance for club players being able to tog out in the mayo dressing rooms and play on the county pitch for club games at the latter end of the respective championships. i know i get a kick out of it personally. i couldn't say the same about togging out in Ballina unfortunately.

but i do have fond memories of being at Mayo matches in the past there, there was a cracking atmosphere, but times have moved on.

I think the Ballina chairman made a good case for getting an odd game in the town. It s not just a club thing.

Fair PLay to Ballina for Making a stand. I have been saying it for years but playing the club Quarter and Semi Finals in Castlebar in front of a empty stadium does nothing for the game in Mayo.
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Post by: moysider on December 04, 2013, 10:26:57 AM

He was making the point as well that business in the area that put so much into the local clubs are getting nothing back. The club want nothing from the gate. They just want to bring a few bob into the area. Businesses are closing down in the area at an alarming rate so any event in the town would be something. These businesses are supportive of not just the GAA but every club and activity in the area. No harm to spread games about a bit.

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Post by: ballinaman on December 05, 2013, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on December 04, 2013, 10:26:57 AM

He was making the point as well that business in the area that put so much into the local clubs are getting nothing back. The club want nothing from the gate. They just want to bring a few bob into the area. Businesses are closing down in the area at an alarming rate so any event in the town would be something. These businesses are supportive of not just the GAA but every club and activity in the area. No harm to spread games about a bit.
Fair play to John, he's spot on. Pitch and facilities are a very good standard now and a league game with Derry for example would be a welcome boost for the town.
Mentioned on 2FM news there.
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Post by: moysider on January 01, 2014, 05:38:56 PM

I m hearing that Keith Higgins has transferred to the Mitchels. Can anybody confirm?

Some player to get if it s true.

I assume he wouldn t be available for the AI club semi in Feb?
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Post by: From the Bunker on January 01, 2014, 06:04:58 PM
Goldigger!  :o
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Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2014, 01:21:19 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 01, 2014, 05:38:56 PM

I m hearing that Keith Higgins has transferred to the Mitchels. Can anybody confirm?

Some player to get if it s true.

I assume he wouldn t be available for the AI club semi in Feb?

To be totally fair to Keith, who is an incredible player, if true that'd be in the Seanie J bracket of transfers. What about hurling? He pretty much is Ballyhaunis hurling.
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Post by: ross4life on January 02, 2014, 01:40:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 01, 2014, 05:38:56 PM

I m hearing that Keith Higgins has transferred to the Mitchels. Can anybody confirm?

Some player to get if it s true.

I assume he wouldn t be available for the AI club semi in Feb?
He was working for years in the bank of Ireland in Castlerea & recently transferred to the Castlebar branch. Hmm he never looked for transfer to St Kevins.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 04:59:37 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 01, 2014, 05:38:56 PM

I m hearing that Keith Higgins has transferred to the Mitchels. Can anybody confirm?

Some player to get if it s true.

I assume he wouldn t be available for the AI club semi in Feb?

Feck that's great news.
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Post by: macdanger2 on January 02, 2014, 08:51:56 PM
Would be gutted if that true about Keith. Would expect better from him and from Mitchells
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Post by: stephenite on January 02, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Wouldn't begrudge the likes of Keith Higgins a club transfer anywhere, very few people have contributed as much to Mayo GAA in terms of time and effort. If a transfer to Castlebar eases some of the burden in terms of travel then good luck to him
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Post by: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 04:05:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 02, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Wouldn't begrudge the likes of Keith Higgins a club transfer anywhere, very few people have contributed as much to Mayo GAA in terms of time and effort. If a transfer to Castlebar eases some of the burden in terms of travel then good luck to him

Oh come on, Stephenite. 'Eases the burden of travel' on him? Castlebar is hardly far from Ballhaunis and, as Ross4life said he wasn't working in Ballyhaunis before this so it's not a new occurrence. Other players travel the breadth of the country and you're willing to sweep this under the rug for him with such a flimsy excuse?

He's a great player but (if it's true) let's not dance around what this is - a callous attempt to win club silverware, something Ballyhaunis haven't been able to offer him. It has zero to do with distances.

It's one thing for a lad to move clubs because he's living far away but this is the sort of situation the GAA should have some sort of cast-iron rule in place to prevent happening. You strangle the small clubs by letting their few stars jump ship like this.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 04, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Relax. It s still only a rumour. Might never happen but if it does good luck to him. He wouldn t be the first player to move to a bigger club. Pat Holmes to Castlebar and Paul McGarry to Ballina. No big deal.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Isn't your hero Shane Curran from Castlerea??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Isn't your hero Shane Curran from Castlerea??

And? Is Keith moving house? Is it a 'cup of tae' job like Seanie J? There wasn't huge question marks over Cake's motives when he moved to Brigid's.

Fact is Higgins was working in Castlerea for years and suddenly his job is moved a few miles the opposite side of Ballyhaunis and he has cause to move clubs, to one that just so happens to be going places?

If you want examples of Roscommon players moving between smaller clubs and bigger ones I could give you them and I can tell you I was just as disappointed in those players as I would be if Higgins does the same. This has nothing to do with counties so cut out the sneering tone. Just because something has happened before doesn't mean it should be accepted when it happens again, that just normalises behaviour that's harmful to the ethos of the GAA.

Dress it in a frilly dress if you want; we all know the score.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Isn't your hero Shane Curran from Castlerea??

And? Is Keith moving house? Is it a 'cup of tae' job like Seanie J? There wasn't huge question marks over Cake's motives when he moved to Brigid's.

Fact is he was working in Castlerea for years and suddenly he moves a few miles the opposite side of Ballyhaunis and he has cause to move clubs, to one that just so happens to be going places?

If you want examples of Roscommon players moving between smaller clubs and bigger ones I could give you them and I can tell you I was just as disappointed in those players as I would be if Higgins does the same. This has nothing to do with counties so cut out the sneering tone.

Dress it in a frilly dress if you want; we all know the score.


Jesus, you're easily vexed. I'm not going to get into an argument with a Rossie about a rumour in Mayo club football. If it's confirmed, we can take it up then.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Isn't your hero Shane Curran from Castlerea??

And? Is Keith moving house? Is it a 'cup of tae' job like Seanie J? There wasn't huge question marks over Cake's motives when he moved to Brigid's.

Fact is he was working in Castlerea for years and suddenly he moves a few miles the opposite side of Ballyhaunis and he has cause to move clubs, to one that just so happens to be going places?

If you want examples of Roscommon players moving between smaller clubs and bigger ones I could give you them and I can tell you I was just as disappointed in those players as I would be if Higgins does the same. This has nothing to do with counties so cut out the sneering tone.

Dress it in a frilly dress if you want; we all know the score.


Jesus, you're easily vexed. I'm not going to get into an argument with a Rossie about a rumour in Mayo club football. If it's confirmed, we can take it up then.

That's cute when you're the one throwing out the remarks. Don't get involved if you don't want a response.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Isn't your hero Shane Curran from Castlerea??

And? Is Keith moving house? Is it a 'cup of tae' job like Seanie J? There wasn't huge question marks over Cake's motives when he moved to Brigid's.

Fact is he was working in Castlerea for years and suddenly he moves a few miles the opposite side of Ballyhaunis and he has cause to move clubs, to one that just so happens to be going places?

If you want examples of Roscommon players moving between smaller clubs and bigger ones I could give you them and I can tell you I was just as disappointed in those players as I would be if Higgins does the same. This has nothing to do with counties so cut out the sneering tone.

Dress it in a frilly dress if you want; we all know the score.


Jesus, you're easily vexed. I'm not going to get into an argument with a Rossie about a rumour in Mayo club football. If it's confirmed, we can take it up then.

That's cute when you're the one throwing out the remarks. Don't get involved if you don't want a response.

I just don't see why you're getting so worked up about a rumoured club transfer in another county. I wouldn't be making judgements until it's clarified one way or the other.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 04, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Must be 3 or 4 years since I looked into the Roscommon thread

There isn't one.

Ballyhaunis is the second-nearest town to my home and I know plenty of the people who would be directly effected if Keith jumped ship so excuse me for having an opinion on the topic. Given your name it's quite likely I'm closer to this situation than you are so it makes me wonder what, if anything, your point is besides distracting from you brushing the hypocrisy and harm something like this would cause because Keith is a good player and has put in the 'hours'.

If Ger Cafferkey got a job in Castlebar and switched to Mitchels I wonder how Stephenites would react?

Isn't your hero Shane Curran from Castlerea??

And? Is Keith moving house? Is it a 'cup of tae' job like Seanie J? There wasn't huge question marks over Cake's motives when he moved to Brigid's.

Fact is he was working in Castlerea for years and suddenly he moves a few miles the opposite side of Ballyhaunis and he has cause to move clubs, to one that just so happens to be going places?

If you want examples of Roscommon players moving between smaller clubs and bigger ones I could give you them and I can tell you I was just as disappointed in those players as I would be if Higgins does the same. This has nothing to do with counties so cut out the sneering tone.

Dress it in a frilly dress if you want; we all know the score.


Jesus, you're easily vexed. I'm not going to get into an argument with a Rossie about a rumour in Mayo club football. If it's confirmed, we can take it up then.

That's cute when you're the one throwing out the remarks. Don't get involved if you don't want a response.

I just don't see why you're getting so worked up about a rumoured club transfer in another county. I wouldn't be making judgements until it's clarified one way or the other.

Worked up? ???

You've a strange idea of what being worked up is. That attitude is more a smokescreen to addressing the issues that have been brought up, Higgins transfer or no Higgins transfer. It's playing the man instead of the ball.

The answer to your question is bolded. Just because there's an imaginary line between two houses doesn't mean people don't know each other. How being from one county or another matters in a situation like this is beyond me.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 04, 2014, 11:40:58 PM
Lads if Higgins wishes to transfer I'm not sure why it is such an issue. Perhaps he had considered moving clubs before due to work before but chooses to do it now with Mayo county football becoming more and more a livestyle commitment, there may be other personal changes and yes the fact that Castlebar are on the up might just be the sauce on the goose. Sure isn't this the norm for Nemo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on January 05, 2014, 02:37:12 AM
Ballagh,Kilmovee shamrocks and now Ballyhaunis.

I'm telling you Syferus , you are a closet Mayo man and I am not joking there are dozens of you Rossies like that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 07, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 04, 2014, 11:40:58 PM
Lads if Higgins wishes to transfer I'm not sure why it is such an issue. Perhaps he had considered moving clubs before due to work before but chooses to do it now with Mayo county football becoming more and more a livestyle commitment, there may be other personal changes and yes the fact that Castlebar are on the up might just be the sauce on the goose. Sure isn't this the norm for Nemo.
As I know nowt about his reasons for switching clubs, I won't give my tuppence worth one way or the other.
If players are given greater freedom to select the clubs/counties they choose to play for, the GAA, as we know it, would run into serious trouble- a bit like the Scottish premier league where a handful of clubs win all that's on offer and the rest can go suck the hind tit.
But under the present system, many players never get the rewards their talents deserve.
Emlyn Mulligan isn't going to win a provincial medal, yet if he wanted to move from Leitrim for any reason, he'd get a place on any team in the land. (IMO, anyway.)
For all I know, he is happy where he is but others with a lot less talent have AI medals to their names.
I can think o dozens of others like him who, because of where they were born, never have nor ever will have anything but injuries and hard luck stories  when they hang up their boots.
I dunno. You can't change the present system  alright but it's not a fair and equitable one  either.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 10, 2014, 04:02:57 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/experimental-mayo-team-named-for-fbd-game-with-nuig-29905070.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/experimental-mayo-team-named-for-fbd-game-with-nuig-29905070.html)

Mayo team to play N.U.I.G:  Robert Hennelly (captain), Keith Rogers, Kevin Keane, Eoghan Reilly; Brendan Harrison, Shane McHale, David Drake; Jason Gibbons , John Reilly; Adam Gallagher , Cathal Freeman, Diarmuid O'Connor; Tom King , Darren Coen , Mickey Sweeney – Kiltane.

Replacements: Colm Boyle, Stephen Coen, Brian Gallagher, Cathal Carolan, Michael Conroy, Sean Kelly, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Lee Keegan.


Happy to see the new lads getting a run. I think Andy Moran and Jason Doherty having missed most of last year will hopefully see plenty of early season action. Adam Gallagher is an interesting one to watch while hopefully Tom King & can bring his club form to his county debut.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on January 11, 2014, 08:39:39 AM
Poor Fare Last Night. Of the Newcomers Harrison and Gallagher stood out in the First Half. Kevin Keane had a good second half, Drake very fast but use of ball needs a bit of work. Darren Coen needs a lot of work on shot selection / bringing others into the game. Brian Gallagher looked lively last 15mins. Rest of the newcomers made little impact but first day out give them a chance I suppose. Interesting that Peter Burkes position seems to be elevated this year. He was runner and seemed to be calling a lot of the shots along with Horan. Looks like he will be new selector.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 15, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
Horan needs to swallow his pride and give Regan a fair chance.As this is probably Horans last year he needs to get our best players on the pitch and IMO that includes Regan and Feeney.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 15, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 15, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
Horan needs to swallow his pride and give Regan a fair chance.As this is probably Horans last year he needs to get our best players on the pitch and IMO that includes Regan and Feeney.

Horan did invite him back a couple of months ago but it appears the player doesn't fancy it now with current management after what happened last summer.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 15, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Thats an awful shame Moysider but its hard to blame the lad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 15, 2014, 10:56:44 PM
Hopefully horan will ask him again and hopefully he will come on board, he'll win nothing by sulking.

I don't think people should be building this guy up too much though, he's young and needs to be given time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 15, 2014, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 15, 2014, 10:56:44 PM
Hopefully horan will ask him again and hopefully he will come on board, he'll win nothing by sulking.

I don't think people should be building this guy up too much though, he's young and needs to be given time.

That's true to an extent but more successful counties than us are not shy putting in 19 yr olds when they are up to it. Look at Dublin this year with McCaffrey and Mannion.

Though in the past we had no problem playing Hanley or Conor Mort when they were 19. The Regan decision was just a poor call, that s all. Play lads when they are ready. No guarantee they get better with age. One bad injury can finish things fast enough.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 15, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Yeah, I agree that the manager should have no problem playing young lads but supporters should give him a chance if he comes in and plays poorly in a couple of games or something and start writing him off as useless
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 16, 2014, 12:10:43 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 15, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Yeah, I agree that the manager should have no problem playing young lads but supporters should give him a chance if he comes in and plays poorly in a couple of games or something and start writing him off as useless

What I ve seen of this lad ( and I ve seen a lot), he s the type that plays better as the standard goes up and he s got better players around. Able to win ball, see a pass and finish. And makes the right runs at the right time which some of last year's panel could not do.

Forget about supporters - they ll always hate a Ballinaman/townies anyway. I d be more worried about a manager's judgement.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 16, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Hope he's as good as you say he is and that he comes on board, horan won't spend all year asking him and who knows what the squad will look like next year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on January 16, 2014, 01:11:13 AM
10. Adam Gallagher.

11. Keith Higgans.

12. Lee Keegan . ( plenty of options to fill his regular spot, proved in AI final he can go and score on the big day)

13. Evan Regan.

14. COC.

15. Andy Moran

That's the six I'd like to see play up front, mcgloughlin and feeney to come on everytime too.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 16, 2014, 09:01:32 AM
Are people in danger of treating Evan Regan as the next great big hope being ignored by management? We tend to latch on these players and think they are the solution to our problems. 
What has he done to warrant inclusion in your starting 15 Larry? He played a couple of league games last year, showed a few flashes of what he can do, but certainly wasn't outstanding. From the outside looking in, I'd agree he should have been given more opportunities. But do we know how he was performing in training, what his attitude and workrate were like?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on January 16, 2014, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 16, 2014, 09:01:32 AM
Are people in danger of treating Evan Regan as the next great big hope being ignored by management? We tend to latch on these players and think they are the solution to our problems. 
What has he done to warrant inclusion in your starting 15 Larry? He played a couple of league games last year, showed a few flashes of what he can do, but certainly wasn't outstanding. From the outside looking in, I'd agree he should have been given more opportunities. But do we know how he was performing in training, what his attitude and workrate were like?

Injuries specifically a recurring knee injury hampered his progress over the last two years but importantly Horan kept him involved with the squad and had he been injury free he would definitely had more chances in the first team. He was pissed off at the timing and reason for being cut from the panel last year but Horan did invite him back this year ( Evan declined) so I don't think Horan has excluded him outright (like happened with previous managers). He must still rate him if he asked him back on the panel.

I think it might be better anyway if Evan is left with the U21's for the moment and if he keeps shooting the lights out ( I think he will) he will probably be back on the panel anyway. He has been involved for the last two years so he won't be coming in cold and if he is fit and on form he will be a way better option than say Varley or Conroy for one simple reason , he is a natural super confident scorer and won't solo around or look to lay of the ball when the ball is there to be put over the bar to win the game. Sadly this is something that the last two years have shown is lacking in Conroy and Varley despite their brilliant work and team ethic!

I have confidence in both Evan's ability and desire to be back challenging in the panel and Horan's judgment that a fully fit Evan Regan will be of  use to him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 16, 2014, 10:32:47 AM
It does ring of Enda Deveney and Pat Harte, ye Ballina lads are always making up heros  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on January 16, 2014, 10:38:03 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 16, 2014, 10:32:47 AM
It does ring of Enda Deveney and Pat Harte, ye Ballina lads are always making up heros  ;)

I raise you Staunton and Butler during the Maughan empire ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on January 16, 2014, 12:16:14 PM
The way i look at it tubberman is simple enough,we need to improve our forward play to progress from last year.

Dillon, Varley, Conroy and Doc. Id drop two out of that four and add in evan regan and adam gallagher.

Both young, confident, can kick scores and have been good at underage.

I felt regan didnt get enough time in the league last year, we have to give lads time to settle into the team, pretty sure it was only Kildare game he started .

There comes a time when you have to throw new blood in and i feel now is the time, its hardly wholesale change either to suggest two lads who are 20 and 21 (i think)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 16, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
I don't know much about Evan Reagan one way or the other but if reports are true, he got a raw deal when he was dropped last year and I wouldn't blame him one bit for feeling sore about it.
If Horan decided to drop him for any reason, he was entitled to do so.  I'd have no problem with that but the least the lad deserved was to be told this by the manager himself.
I've always had great respect for JH but if he left it to the CB to shaft the player, he's let himself down badly.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 16, 2014, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 16, 2014, 12:16:14 PM
The way i look at it tubberman is simple enough,we need to improve our forward play to progress from last year.

Dillon, Varley, Conroy and Doc. Id drop two out of that four and add in evan regan and adam gallagher.

Both young, confident, can kick scores and have been good at underage.

I felt regan didnt get enough time in the league last year, we have to give lads time to settle into the team, pretty sure it was only Kildare game he started .

There comes a time when you have to throw new blood in and i feel now is the time, its hardly wholesale change either to suggest two lads who are 20 and 21 (i think)

That's fair enough, I'd like to see Regan and Gallagher (and several others) given a chance. I misread your post above - I thought you were saying that was your choice for Championship forward lines. It would certainly be far too early to be naming them as championship starters but for FBD and a couple of league games to bed them in, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Blowitupref on January 16, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
K McLoughlin A Moran  J Doherty

M Conroy  A Freeman C O'Connor

If fit the above front six would be Mayos most likely line up for the championship IMO. Cathal Carolan; Darren Coen,Enda Varley and if he returns Evan Regan will have to perform very well in the league to earn a starting place. Alan Dillions best days are behind him IMO however with his experience hes a great sub to bring on.

Adam Gallagher 20 this year has plenty of time on his side.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 16, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
K McLoughlin A Moran  J Doherty

M Conroy  A Freeman C O'Connor

If fit the above front six would be Mayos most likely line up for the championship IMO. Cathal Carolan; Darren Coen,Enda Varley and if he returns Evan Regan will have to perform very well in the league to earn a starting place. Alan Dillions best days are behind him IMO however with his experience hes a great sub to bring on.

Adam Gallagher 20 this year has plenty of time on his side.

It ll certainly be interesting how the team develops this year. Especially the forwards.

It ll be interesting to see where Higgins will be played. The first league team will be interesting. When will Cillian O C be ready? Has Dillon got his injury sorted?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on January 16, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
K McLoughlin A Moran  J Doherty

M Conroy  A Freeman C O'Connor

If fit the above front six would be Mayos most likely line up for the championship IMO. Cathal Carolan; Darren Coen,Enda Varley and if he returns Evan Regan will have to perform very well in the league to earn a starting place. Alan Dillions best days are behind him IMO however with his experience hes a great sub to bring on.

Adam Gallagher 20 this year has plenty of time on his side.

Fair enough as in that's your opinion and that forward line would win Nestor but I don't think it will win us an all Ireland.

Mcgloughlin would have to find his 2012 form  and I'd question his metal for all Ireland final day.

Conroy is okay but  same aul Mayo type forward , running into no mans land on the big day, can't beat his man and pop it over. He would not feature in my plans , if he proves me wrong, great.

J. Docherty,  2012 championship he was ineffective , ridiculously low scoring and that's his job,despite what the airy fairy analysis says, 2013 showed improvement throughout the league but most of his scores came through frees, injured for championship .

A freeman, I just don't know with this man, he is a biteen yellow and  tends to pull back or close his eyes even. Good game v Tyrone and fairly decent championship , very unlucky to be subbed in the final in fairness. Overall, doesn't score enough though.Absolutely baffling how we could score 4-16 v Galway and he a big lad in at Ff get a single point of that tally.


People can keep saying the same thing over and over again , like " our scores come from all over, a lot from our half back line " etc etc and that's all grand but I am telling you it is factual , you will not win an all Ireland with this plan/ tactic/ethos.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 16, 2014, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 16, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
K McLoughlin A Moran  J Doherty

M Conroy  A Freeman C O'Connor

If fit the above front six would be Mayos most likely line up for the championship IMO. Cathal Carolan; Darren Coen,Enda Varley and if he returns Evan Regan will have to perform very well in the league to earn a starting place. Alan Dillions best days are behind him IMO however with his experience hes a great sub to bring on.

Adam Gallagher 20 this year has plenty of time on his side.

Fair enough as in that's your opinion and that forward line would win Nestor but I don't think it will win us an all Ireland.

Mcgloughlin would have to find his 2012 form  and I'd question his metal for all Ireland final day.

Conroy is okay but  same aul Mayo type forward , running into no mans land on the big day, can't beat his man and pop it over. He would not feature in my plans , if he proves me wrong, great.

J. Docherty,  2012 championship he was ineffective , ridiculously low scoring and that's his job,despite what the airy fairy analysis says, 2013 showed improvement throughout the league but most of his scores came through frees, injured for championship .

A freeman, I just don't know with this man, he is a biteen yellow and  tends to pull back or close his eyes even. Good game v Tyrone and fairly decent championship , very unlucky to be subbed in the final in fairness. Overall, doesn't score enough though.Absolutely baffling how we could score 4-16 v Galway and he a big lad in at Ff get a single point of that tally.


People can keep saying the same thing over and over again , like " our scores come from all over, a lot from our half back line " etc etc and that's all grand but I am telling you it is factual , you will not win an all Ireland with this plan/ tactic/ethos.

Harsh but honest. A lot of people would be thinking along the same lines.

As regards the 6 forwards, I think the 6 must be part of the big picture and how the team is set up to play. Like last year in AI final we did not have enough mobility in hf line, especially after Higgins sent back. And we did not have enough ball winners inside and as a result poor scoring threat.

One scenario could be;

                               Hennelly/Clarke

Cunniffe                  Cafferkey                    Barrett
Keegan                   Boyle                          Higgins
             O Sé                        O Sé
McLoughlin             O Connor                    Gallagher
Dillon                      Freeman                     Andy

This would be a fluid, running, passing game with scores coming from everywhere and O Connor in the playmaking quarterback role where he is brilliant imo. He will still fill his boots with scores because his support runs are so clever.

On the other hand you could go for a different type of set up, maybe more defensive and a big carrier at 11 and more direct ball inside.

                                   Hennelly/Clarke
Cuniffe                         Cafferkey                 Barrett
Keegan                        Boyle                       Burke (if he's still involved)/McLoughlin
               Moran                        O Sé
Feeney                        O Se                        Higgins
                                   O Connor
            Freeman                            Andy

I think there is a case for either selection and they are only 2 I came up with.
Looking forward to see how it all shapes up.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 16, 2014, 10:28:23 PM
Personally id like to see this team giving a go at some stage
           
                                                   Clarke
               
                         Barrett               Caff               Cunniffe
                         
                         Keegan              Higgins          Boyle

                                       Vaughan        Seamus

                         McLoughlin           AOS             Feeney

                         Regan                Andy              Cillian

  I know Regan is unlikely to be involved but i just think he has that x factor that were crying out for a give me the f**king ball type of forward
     
         
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 16, 2014, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 16, 2014, 10:28:23 PM
Personally id like to see this team giving a go at some stage
           
                                                   Clarke
               
                         Barrett               Caff               Cunniffe
                         
                         Keegan              Higgins          Boyle

                                       Vaughan        Seamus

                         McLoughlin           AOS             Feeney

                         Regan                Andy              Cillian

  I know Regan is unlikely to be involved but i just think he has that x factor that were crying out for a give me the f**king ball type of forward
     
       

I wouldn t mind that team either but it s very unlikely Regan will be involved this year. But he s still only 20 and has time on his side if he remains fit.
Dropping him last year was a mistake imo. He was flying at the time and scoring goals for fun and could have been the joker in the pack in later stages. He d a have been an unknown quantity for likes of Tyrone and Dublin. There would be very little video or analysis of him and we all know what happened when Clare threw in a young lad in the Hurling AI replay.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 16, 2014, 10:50:06 PM
IMO Varley and Doherty just dont cut it for the latter stages of the all ireland series and although Conroy is a good player he has a habit of running up blind alleys and his shot selection is poor.Conroy would be a very good sub to bring on for 20 minutes though he has a good work rate and is well able to win his own ball i just dont think any of the 3 named lads should be starting on a team that has ambitions of winning sam.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Blowitupref on January 16, 2014, 11:16:37 PM
Depending on how the league goes Horan could choose Higgins,Keegan in the forward line and to accommodate Barry Moran into the side the AOS forward experiment might be tried again.

From what i see Horan isn't big for change as this 2011 team shows. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0819/283719-mayo/
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 16, 2014, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 16, 2014, 10:50:06 PM
IMO Varley and Doherty just dont cut it for the latter stages of the all ireland series and although Conroy is a good player he has a habit of running up blind alleys and his shot selection is poor.Conroy would be a very good sub to bring on for 20 minutes though he has a good work rate and is well able to win his own ball i just dont think any of the 3 named lads should be starting on a team that has ambitions of winning sam.

The thing about Doherty is that he was injured last year and year before he was played in a deeper role in championship, which in my opinion did not convince. But at the same time he didn t do badly either. But I see him as an inside forward. His early spring form was very good and was a big reason DIT won Sigerson and Doherty was a shoe-in for the 3rd level Team of The Year. That s not bad going. The player has quality and I d give him a bit of slack and see if coaches can use him. He s scored at all levels for us but playing him in the hf line is probably not a good idea imo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 16, 2014, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2014, 11:16:37 PM
Depending on how the league goes Horan could choose Higgins,Keegan in the forward line and to accommodate Barry Moran into the side the AOS forward experiment might be tried again.

From what i see Horan isn't big for change as this 2011 team shows. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0819/283719-mayo/

It s a strength a weakness.

If he puts Keegan into forwards forget about it. Did Kerry ever move Tomás O Sé from 5 when it mattered? He had such an influence from 5. And he destroyed likes of Kerrigan by turning tables and putting forward on the back foot.
I think Keegan would be a proper 6 but when he is so good at 5 you don t mess about. This is not like Higgins. Higgins was wasted at 4 while Keegan is very effective from 5.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 17, 2014, 11:29:28 PM
According to the Mayo Gaa facebook page Tom Parsons is starting at midfield for Mayo against the sheep shaggers on Sunday.Hopefully Tom will put in a good performance he has huge talent but his attitude was questionable i hope the few years out in the cold will have matured him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 17, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Great to see Parsons back, I remember himself & SOS cleaning out the Kerry midfield at U21 in a game we narrowly lost. It was only when Tommy Walsh came out to mf that they gained a foothold. Hope he can fulfil some of that potential.

Any other notable starters??

Farr, any idea how killer is getting on since his freak injury v castlebar?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 18, 2014, 01:14:00 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 17, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Great to see Parsons back, I remember himself & SOS cleaning out the Kerry midfield at U21 in a game we narrowly lost. It was only when Tommy Walsh came out to mf that they gained a foothold. Hope he can fulfil some of that potential.

Any other notable starters??

Farr, any idea how killer is getting on since his freak injury v castlebar?

+1. One of the best quality players in county over the years. Previous poster went on about maturity but what s that about?

We ve been doin ok as regards talented bigger men  coming through - the little lads always seem to do so. The bigger lads not so much, but the O Sés and Barry Moran have come through. Tom Parsons was pushing Pierce Hanley as regards being a an exceptional talent. I d love to see him realise his potential. Boyle managed to rise above his first experience as a senior and came back a top player. Hopefully Parsons can do likewise - and I hope he s given a bit of time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 18, 2014, 01:29:46 AM
The team to to play in Ballinlough is-

1) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Kevin Keane - Westport
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Colm Boyle - Davitts
5) Brendan Harrison - Aghamore
6) Shane McHale - Knockmore
7) David Drake - Ballaghaderreen
8) Tom Parsons - Charlestown Sarsfields
9) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen
12) Adam Gallagher - Mayo Gaels
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Darren Coen - Hollymount/Carramore

16) Brendan Walsh - Ballintubber
17) Keith Rogers - Ballaghaderreen
18) Jason Gibbons - Ballintubber
19) Brian Gallagher - Claremorris
20) Cathal Carolan - Crossmolina
21) Michael Conroy - Davitts
22) Enda Varley - Garrymore
23) Lee Keegan - Westport
24) Cathal Freeman - Aghamore
25) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis

Like that a bit. Might go. I was supposed to do a 5K but I ve coughed up most of my lungs with a cough I got a few days ago, and this might be less painful. I love seeing that tree growing in the stand in Ballinlough.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 18, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
Interesting line up, v experienced spine with the exception of McHale and a good few younger lads
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 18, 2014, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 17, 2014, 11:29:28 PM
According to the Mayo Gaa facebook page Tom Parsons is starting at midfield for Mayo against the sheep shaggers on Sunday.Hopefully Tom will put in a good performance he has huge talent but his attitude was questionable i hope the few years out in the cold will have matured him
I think Tom was injured and this I what caused his loss of form. I remember reading somewhere or other that he had the same pubic bone problem as Aidan O'Shea had two years ago but it ha taken him a lot longer to recover than Aidan.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: sans pessimism on January 18, 2014, 01:37:53 PM
Did TP not spend a good lot of the last 2years in Cardiff
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 18, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
+1. One of the best quality players in county over the years. Previous poster went on about maturity but what s that about?

The maturity im talking about is realising that he needs to match hard work with his undoubted talent to fullfill his potential.I remember hearing stories about Tom having a bit of a questionable attitude towards training when he was making his way onto the senior team.However this is all in the past and i wish Tom all the best if we get him playing like he can he will be a serious asset for us.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 19, 2014, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 18, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
+1. One of the best quality players in county over the years. Previous poster went on about maturity but what s that about?

The maturity im talking about is realising that he needs to match hard work with his undoubted talent to fullfill his potential.I remember hearing stories about Tom having a bit of a questionable attitude towards training when he was making his way onto the senior team.However this is all in the past and i wish Tom all the best if we get him playing like he can he will be a serious asset for us.

There are always stories. I heard them too. But what I heard from lads that played with him in college, was that he could not explain his dip in form. I didn t hear the questionable attitude thing. I d factor in the mess that these lads encountered as they moved from underage to senior.  There was a few casualties in the Johnno years. Boyle was nearly lost and Conroy lost important years which I believe has damaged him.
I remember Horan giving Parsons a run in his first year as manager in either an FBD or League game. Thought he did well and was surprised he was cut.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on January 19, 2014, 01:02:01 AM
Il agree with ya there Moysider the Johno years were a disaster.I wasnt having a go at Parsons far from it he would have been very young when he broke through to the senior set up and as you say it was a mess.Am i right in thinking Tom played cf for us at some stage and done quite well? This is geting a bit ahead of myself i know but lets say Tom does well and establishes himself in midfield where will we put AOS? Where do the Mayo posters on here think is his best position?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 19, 2014, 01:17:22 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 19, 2014, 01:02:01 AM
Il agree with ya there Moysider the Johno years were a disaster.I wasnt having a go at Parsons far from it he would have been very young when he broke through to the senior set up and as you say it was a mess.Am i right in thinking Tom played cf for us at some stage and done quite well? This is geting a bit ahead of myself i know but lets say Tom does well and establishes himself in midfield where will we put AOS? Where do the Mayo posters on here think is his best position?

Tom was selected to play on the Ireland team V Australia in the Comp. Rules series in his first season as a county senior.
That was 2010? Hard to believe we ve been in 2 AIs since and this guy has not have been even in the panel. Couldn t make it up.
Best position? Probably midfield. But it depends how things go.

I think 11 should either be a quarterback like Greg Blaney or a carrier like Declan O Sullivan.

Mayo have a choice. O Connor does Joe Montana. Or likes of O Sé s run hard from 11. O Sé s will take on the hit and often break through. Parsons will usually glide around the traffic bit can take the hit as well. It s a personal choice at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 19, 2014, 01:28:00 AM
Yeah the Johnno years were a waste bar getting out of the way the 'Give the Messiah the job'. Johnno was pushed into rather than taking the job. This is never a good thing! Anyway between players being still a bit young on the development curve, being played out of position and Johnno not giving the required commitment we ended up with allot of players getting lost or not being found in the first place.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on January 21, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
It was 2008 when Tom Parsons was picked to travel to Australia. He was the only Mayo player picked and it was definitely premature for him and did him no favours. But he absolutely has something to offer if he can find his feet.

I'm worried about people saying Keegan is a scoring option for half-forward line. He's a scoring option at half-back, leave him there. Does his best work from there. What to do with Higgins is the big thing. I think he'll be in the forward line for NFL especially with COC and Dillon out injured.

The aim of the league then is to find a couple more defensive options. The six which started the final - Cunniffe, Caff, Barrett; Keegan, Boyle and Vaughan remain our best six there imho (with Higgins further forward of course) and I think we've a better look when Vaughan is on the wing. But we need more options so we're not relying on Higgins moving back and upsetting the entire game plan every time any defender tweaks a hamstring. Horan looks like he's using the FBD to that end - playing Boyle in the full-back line to see if he can be an option there and giving three full-games in the half-back line to Harrison, McHale and D Drake. K Keane and K Rogers got good game time too. Would have liked to seen Alan Feeney get a look-in. He was keeping Caff off the team in 2011 and Caff then was the best full-back in Ireland the next two years (don't mind O'Carroll's All Star). Feeney has to still be good enough, he's only 29 this year. Eoghan O'Reilly is another option.

Midfielders will be two from O'Sheas and Moran.

That leaves Higgins as a proper option for the half-forward line.. Assume that McLoughlin, Cillian and Andy will start and that leaves two more forward places. One of these could be a midfielder pushed forward but likely it will be a half-forward slot between Adam Gallagher, Dillon and Carolan if Cillian plays inside. Or if Cillian is at 11, I agree with Moysider, he was very good there v Galway last year, it's a race for two slots inside alongside Andy. This would between Freeman, Conroy and possibly Coen who had a good FBD.

I'd take a punt on this team

Hennelly

Cunniffe Caff Barrett
Keegan Boyle Vaughan

O'Sheas x 2

McLoughlin Cillian Higgins
Andy Freeman Conroy
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 22, 2014, 12:13:45 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 21, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
It was 2008 when Tom Parsons was picked to travel to Australia. He was the only Mayo player picked and it was definitely premature for him and did him no favours. But he absolutely has something to offer if he can find his feet.

I'm worried about people saying Keegan is a scoring option for half-forward line. He's a scoring option at half-back, leave him there. Does his best work from there. What to do with Higgins is the big thing. I think he'll be in the forward line for NFL especially with COC and Dillon out injured.

The aim of the league then is to find a couple more defensive options. The six which started the final - Cunniffe, Caff, Barrett; Keegan, Boyle and Vaughan remain our best six there imho (with Higgins further forward of course) and I think we've a better look when Vaughan is on the wing. But we need more options so we're not relying on Higgins moving back and upsetting the entire game plan every time any defender tweaks a hamstring. Horan looks like he's using the FBD to that end - playing Boyle in the full-back line to see if he can be an option there and giving three full-games in the half-back line to Harrison, McHale and D Drake. K Keane and K Rogers got good game time too. Would have liked to seen Alan Feeney get a look-in. He was keeping Caff off the team in 2011 and Caff then was the best full-back in Ireland the next two years (don't mind O'Carroll's All Star). Feeney has to still be good enough, he's only 29 this year. Eoghan O'Reilly is another option.

Midfielders will be two from O'Sheas and Moran.

That leaves Higgins as a proper option for the half-forward line.. Assume that McLoughlin, Cillian and Andy will start and that leaves two more forward places. One of these could be a midfielder pushed forward but likely it will be a half-forward slot between Adam Gallagher, Dillon and Carolan if Cillian plays inside. Or if Cillian is at 11, I agree with Moysider, he was very good there v Galway last year, it's a race for two slots inside alongside Andy. This would between Freeman, Conroy and possibly Coen who had a good FBD.

I'd take a punt on this team

Hennelly

Cunniffe Caff Barrett
Keegan Boyle Vaughan

O'Sheas x 2

McLoughlin Cillian Higgins
Andy Freeman Conroy

A very good post! People have been saying we need to look for forwards (and we do). But as I have been saying to my mates since the AI final we need backline cover as well. Cunniffes injury in the AI Final last year changed the dynamic of chances of winning the game. Horan had no trust in the defenders on the bench, So our star man (Higgins) was brought back. As for tampering with our half backs. Leave them where they are, they have been the back bone to making this side better than the average side.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on January 22, 2014, 05:08:46 AM
I really hope Horan is more daring  than the two above.

Not even going into it , some Mayo people baffle me , how you can keep wanting to make the same mistakes time and time again.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 22, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 22, 2014, 05:08:46 AM
I really hope Horan is more daring  than the two above.

Not even going into it , some Mayo people baffle me , how you can keep wanting to make the same mistakes time and time again.

Not looking for the same Mistakes? But you can't expect to make wholesale (personnel and positional) changes to a team who lost an AI final by one point and a glided by everyone else? Horan was daring in the AI final with the substitutions he made? Not one of his substitutions where what the ( knowledgeable ) fan on the sideline would have expected. And where did it get us? Galway panicked after losing the 1983 final, dropping a host of fine players from the squad and messing about and destroyed a potentially fine team. Change is good if it is a better (and i mean better) option but if you change for the sake of it because the fans or the media demand it. Well then you are more than likely fecked! Then again some Mayo people like yourself baffle me!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on January 22, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
I'm not looking for a " tear up the script " type thing like your suggesting I am.

Two changes , make room for Adam Gallagher and Evan Regan for the league campaign, if it works , go with it .

I love that aul internet era especially the way you can get to debate your passion with other passionate people but I do think there is a lot of over analysing goes on. We need a couple of scoring forwards to improve our chances of winning an all Ireland .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
At least the reluctance to move Keith Higgins out of the corner was overcome. That was something.
Then we ended with him back at 4 after half an hour. Two lads togged for cover - McHale and Keane - were not trusted to replace Cunniffe. 2 other panel defenders last year no longer in the panel. Reality is the management had very few defenders they had confidence in last year when it mattered. Keane and McHale got lots of FBD time but are they going to be thrown in when push comes to shove this year either. Are there others that might be able to leapfrog up the peckin order?

It will be interesting what way Kevin Mac's career goes this year. He seemed to reach a bit of an impasse last year. We were all waiting for him to kick into real form but it never happened. Maybe a relocation to defence could benefit everybody, although it is something I would have been very much against less than a year ago.

It would be lovely if a Gallagher was good enough to improve things this year and he will get league time I suspect. He may well be good enough because he has a lot of quality and application and attitude would be beyond reproach. This time of year the students will be ahead with fitness with Sigerson just around the corner, so we ll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 26, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I'll take this out of the general threads.

Only Syf and Rossfan would look in here.  ::)

Ciaran Kilkenny was born July 1993. He started against Mayo in Sept 2012.
The Dubs in 1995 had two 19 year olds as starters in the AIF.

Shane O'Donnell.

If Conroy has asked not to be considered for U-21 due to Kiltane's commitments then fair enough. If he wants time for the Leaving Cert then that is also fair enough. If not though............

The other member of the FF line Doherty should also be looked at.

A free scoring minor FF line is not something that comes along too often. Let's not make excuses for them to disappear down a well trodden path.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 26, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I'll take this out of the general threads.

Only Syf and Rossfan would look in here.  ::)

Ciaran Kilkenny was born July 1993. He started against Mayo in Sept 2012.
The Dubs in 1995 had two 19 year olds as starters in the AIF.

Shane O'Donnell.

If Conroy has asked not to be considered for U-21 due to Kiltane's commitments then fair enough. If he wants time for the Leaving Cert then that is also fair enough. If not though............

The other member of the FF line Doherty should also be looked at.

A free scoring minor FF line is not something that comes along too often. Let's not make excuses for them to disappear down a well trodden path.

You certainly have the bit between the teeth with this one muppet :)

Is there not an arguement that throwing young fellas in too raw can ruin them? In these days of blanket defences and hairy defenders with years of conditioning and experience in the dark arts how will an undersized 18/19 yr old fare?
Certainly Irwin has the physique and the football but seems sadly lacking in pace. Imo opinion you need to be a Gooch or a big man like AOS to play as a 19yr old. Even Gooch says that he would not get a game now at the weight he started out at 10 yrs ago.

For what its worth I thought the quality players most likely to make it were Hall, Coen, Conlon and Plunkett. Hanley was also coming along nicely before his injury. Most of these guys play in hb line which is always where there seems to be lots of competition in a Mayo underage side.

We ve had lads who seemed to have an eye for goals before. Mikey Sweeney springs to mind and Jason Doherty couldn t stop scoring goals in the league a few years ago, Douglas was fairly keen at underage but........... Michael John Mullan was the minor goal hero in 85 and quickly promoted but never convinved as a senior. In fact we damn all seniors from the 85 team at all.

To the best of my recollection the best young inside forwards we ve produced since the turn of the century were Conoreen, Dillon, Conroy, O Connor and Regan. I m talking where they were as minors. The first 2 are finished or in the twilight of his career. Conroy seems in some way damaged by the wilderness years and his confidence looks brittle, especially in bigger games. O Connor is in rehab and will hopefully make a full recovery. Regan is in football limbo.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 26, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I'll take this out of the general threads.

Only Syf and Rossfan would look in here.  ::)

Ciaran Kilkenny was born July 1993. He started against Mayo in Sept 2012.
The Dubs in 1995 had two 19 year olds as starters in the AIF.

Shane O'Donnell.

If Conroy has asked not to be considered for U-21 due to Kiltane's commitments then fair enough. If he wants time for the Leaving Cert then that is also fair enough. If not though............

The other member of the FF line Doherty should also be looked at.

A free scoring minor FF line is not something that comes along too often. Let's not make excuses for them to disappear down a well trodden path.

You certainly have the bit between the teeth with this one muppet :)

Is there not an arguement that throwing young fellas in too raw can ruin them? In these days of blanket defences and hairy defenders with years of conditioning and experience in the dark arts how will an undersized 18/19 yr old fare?
Certainly Irwin has the physique and the football but seems sadly lacking in pace. Imo opinion you need to be a Gooch or a big man like AOS to play as a 19yr old. Even Gooch says that he would not get a game now at the weight he started out at 10 yrs ago.

For what its worth I thought the quality players most likely to make it were Hall, Coen, Conlon and Plunkett. Hanley was also coming along nicely before his injury. Most of these guys play in hb line which is always where there seems to be lots of competition in a Mayo underage side.

We ve had lads who seemed to have an eye for goals before. Mikey Sweeney springs to mind and Jason Doherty couldn t stop scoring goals in the league a few years ago, Douglas was fairly keen at underage but........... Michael John Mullan was the minor goal hero in 85 and quickly promoted but never convinved as a senior. In fact we damn all seniors from the 85 team at all.

To the best of my recollection the best young inside forwards we ve produced since the turn of the century were Conoreen, Dillon, Conroy, O Connor and Regan. I m talking where they were as minors. The first 2 are finished or in the twilight of his career. Conroy seems in some way damaged by the wilderness years and his confidence looks brittle, especially in bigger games. O Connor is in rehab and will hopefully make a full recovery. Regan is in football limbo.

Conor, Cillian and Conroy were all thrown in at 18/19.

GAA isn't like soccer where players stick around because that is their primary concern in life.

The reasons players 'disappear', may include burnout, but it may also include prioritising something else such as education, work, travel, beer or whatever. The best way to keep them keen is to keep them involved at an early stage.

Tommy Conroy looks like a real talent to me and seems to have a good attitude. He is slight but so are half of Tyrone's forwards and the likes of Jaime Clarke.

Mentioning Irwin's lack of pace is fair enough, but that didn't prevent the other forwards getting starts for the seniors last year. (Higgins apart). I would be concerned about his fitness if he isn't brought in, at least to the U-21s, but that might last only a game or two so I would give him a shot at senior sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 26, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
Fair enough I suppose. Still think it would take a young lad of truly exceptional ability to survive as corner forward at that age. If you believe that Conroy has that special talent that s fair enough.

But are last year's minor forwards ahead of likes of Darren Coen and James Shaughnessy in pecking order?

Sometimes I think there is too much made of underage players that are on winning teams. Good managers need to be able to access players on an individual basis. Kerry got top quality senior teams recently without having great minor teams.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 27, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
Fair enough I suppose. Still think it would take a young lad of truly exceptional ability to survive as corner forward at that age. If you believe that Conroy has that special talent that s fair enough.

But are last year's minor forwards ahead of likes of Darren Coen and James Shaughnessy in pecking order?

Sometimes I think there is too much made of underage players that are on winning teams. Good managers need to be able to access players on an individual basis. Kerry got top quality senior teams recently without having great minor teams.

While Kerry are always the exception to the rule, I agree to a certain extent with what you say, but look at last year's starting 15:

Hennelly *
Cunniffe *
Cafferkey *
Barrett *
Keegan
Vaughan
Boyle *
SOS *
AOS *
McLaughlin
Higgins *
Dillon *
Moran
Freeman
Conroy *

The asterisks are for those I reckon had relatively high profile minor careers reaching at least an AIF. The others may have been terrific minors but you will have to excuse my ignorance.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 27, 2014, 12:45:15 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 27, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
Fair enough I suppose. Still think it would take a young lad of truly exceptional ability to survive as corner forward at that age. If you believe that Conroy has that special talent that s fair enough.

But are last year's minor forwards ahead of likes of Darren Coen and James Shaughnessy in pecking order?

Sometimes I think there is too much made of underage players that are on winning teams. Good managers need to be able to access players on an individual basis. Kerry got top quality senior teams recently without having great minor teams.

While Kerry are always the exception to the rule, I agree to a certain extent with what you say, but look at last year's starting 15:

Hennelly *
Cunniffe *
Cafferkey *
Barrett *
Keegan
Vaughan
Boyle *
SOS *
AOS *
McLaughlin
Higgins *
Dillon *
Moran
Freeman
Conroy *

The asterisks are for those I reckon had relatively high profile minor careers reaching at least an AIF. The others may have been terrific minors but you will have to excuse my ignorance.

No ignorance. I m not even disagreeing with you. We have quality players coming along all the time. Andy captained a Nathy's team to a College's AI as a kid and then served a long apprenticship as a panellist in the county set-up. He started off as a very good utility player and now he is a ........ Keegan played his rugby but was always going to be a serious player. The reality is that we are usually a serious team with quality players every year at underage. But it s a hit or miss scenario and some of our underage management didnt help.
Maybe we are looking for a special player inside? We ve had them in the past but then some other bits were not right. Likes of Joe McGrath, Kevin O Neill and Kieran McDonald were game winners but other stuff didn t add up. All the players you listed above were/are serious players.
I know I ve beaten this old drum before but I believe our problem when we things get serious is a tactical one. We had enough quality and scoring power in the squad to win the last 2 AIs. Tyrone managed to restrict Kerry teams with Gooch, Donaghy and Declan O Sullivan in their pomp and get enough scores at the other end. But even Tyrones quality forwards would not have scored enough if their defense had not taken the sting out of Kerry.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 27, 2014, 09:55:08 AM
Is trevor giles living in Ballina?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 27, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 27, 2014, 09:55:08 AM
Is trevor giles living in Ballina?


No idea, but he was out on the pitch when Stephenites won the All-Ireland in 2005, so he must have some sort of connection...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 27, 2014, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 27, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 27, 2014, 09:55:08 AM
Is trevor giles living in Ballina?


No idea, but he was out on the pitch when Stephenites won the All-Ireland in 2005, so he must have some sort of connection...
Married to local girl. Saw him about recently.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 27, 2014, 12:23:49 PM
I saw him at mass on Saturday evening, the missus was bringing up the offertory, which would lead you to think they werent just home for the weekend. Two young lads in the family!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I'll take this out of the general threads.

Only Syf and Rossfan would look in here.  ::)

Ciaran Kilkenny was born July 1993. He started against Mayo in Sept 2012.
The Dubs in 1995 had two 19 year olds as starters in the AIF.

Shane O'Donnell.

If Conroy has asked not to be considered for U-21 due to Kiltane's commitments then fair enough. If he wants time for the Leaving Cert then that is also fair enough. If not though............

The other member of the FF line Doherty should also be looked at.

A free scoring minor FF line is not something that comes along too often. Let's not make excuses for them to disappear down a well trodden path.

You certainly have the bit between the teeth with this one muppet :)

Is there not an arguement that throwing young fellas in too raw can ruin them? In these days of blanket defences and hairy defenders with years of conditioning and experience in the dark arts how will an undersized 18/19 yr old fare?
Certainly Irwin has the physique and the football but seems sadly lacking in pace. Imo opinion you need to be a Gooch or a big man like AOS to play as a 19yr old. Even Gooch says that he would not get a game now at the weight he started out at 10 yrs ago.

For what its worth I thought the quality players most likely to make it were Hall, Coen, Conlon and Plunkett. Hanley was also coming along nicely before his injury. Most of these guys play in hb line which is always where there seems to be lots of competition in a Mayo underage side.

We ve had lads who seemed to have an eye for goals before. Mikey Sweeney springs to mind and Jason Doherty couldn t stop scoring goals in the league a few years ago, Douglas was fairly keen at underage but........... Michael John Mullan was the minor goal hero in 85 and quickly promoted but never convinved as a senior. In fact we damn all seniors from the 85 team at all.

To the best of my recollection the best young inside forwards we ve produced since the turn of the century were Conoreen, Dillon, Conroy, O Connor and Regan. I m talking where they were as minors. The first 2 are finished or in the twilight of his career. Conroy seems in some way damaged by the wilderness years and his confidence looks brittle, especially in bigger games. O Connor is in rehab and will hopefully make a full recovery. Regan is in football limbo.

Conor, Cillian and Conroy were all thrown in at 18/19.

GAA isn't like soccer where players stick around because that is their primary concern in life.

The reasons players 'disappear', may include burnout, but it may also include prioritising something else such as education, work, travel, beer or whatever. The best way to keep them keen is to keep them involved at an early stage.

Tommy Conroy looks like a real talent to me and seems to have a good attitude. He is slight but so are half of Tyrone's forwards and the likes of Jaime Clarke.

Mentioning Irwin's lack of pace is fair enough, but that didn't prevent the other forwards getting starts for the seniors last year. (Higgins apart). I would be concerned about his fitness if he isn't brought in, at least to the U-21s, but that might last only a game or two so I would give him a shot at senior sooner rather than later.

They'll have to do something radical. I can't remember exactly what Galway did in 87 after losing the 2 finals but I think Pat Malone was new to the midfield. PJ Molloy was dropped and Peter Murphy who was a makeweight also got the chop.
In the great Galway- Mayo fuball sequence 95- 97 Val Daly was one of the main players but Johnno dropped him in 98 and brought in Savage I think. Johnno  had relative lesser lights like the CHB and Sean O D who could perform well on occasion but dropped out afterwards   
He was fairly ruthless with John Donnellan too. Donnellan coulda been a contender but he was too tlathach.
Mayo should think about dumping  the subs who were no use in the second half and going for the young lads.   
Who potentially has the "give me  the f&&&**g ball"  steel they need for the last 5 mins ? Joyce was very young but he knew what to do. Ok, it was only the Lilies but still .  :D

Si tu l'as tu l'as
et ca s'achete pas



"If you got it it you got it
and you can't buy it" 


Released August 1987 the week after Galway won their semifinal !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKibLPORq2s

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I'll take this out of the general threads.

Only Syf and Rossfan would look in here.  ::)

Ciaran Kilkenny was born July 1993. He started against Mayo in Sept 2012.
The Dubs in 1995 had two 19 year olds as starters in the AIF.

Shane O'Donnell.

If Conroy has asked not to be considered for U-21 due to Kiltane's commitments then fair enough. If he wants time for the Leaving Cert then that is also fair enough. If not though............

The other member of the FF line Doherty should also be looked at.

A free scoring minor FF line is not something that comes along too often. Let's not make excuses for them to disappear down a well trodden path.

You certainly have the bit between the teeth with this one muppet :)

Is there not an arguement that throwing young fellas in too raw can ruin them? In these days of blanket defences and hairy defenders with years of conditioning and experience in the dark arts how will an undersized 18/19 yr old fare?
Certainly Irwin has the physique and the football but seems sadly lacking in pace. Imo opinion you need to be a Gooch or a big man like AOS to play as a 19yr old. Even Gooch says that he would not get a game now at the weight he started out at 10 yrs ago.

For what its worth I thought the quality players most likely to make it were Hall, Coen, Conlon and Plunkett. Hanley was also coming along nicely before his injury. Most of these guys play in hb line which is always where there seems to be lots of competition in a Mayo underage side.

We ve had lads who seemed to have an eye for goals before. Mikey Sweeney springs to mind and Jason Doherty couldn t stop scoring goals in the league a few years ago, Douglas was fairly keen at underage but........... Michael John Mullan was the minor goal hero in 85 and quickly promoted but never convinved as a senior. In fact we damn all seniors from the 85 team at all.

To the best of my recollection the best young inside forwards we ve produced since the turn of the century were Conoreen, Dillon, Conroy, O Connor and Regan. I m talking where they were as minors. The first 2 are finished or in the twilight of his career. Conroy seems in some way damaged by the wilderness years and his confidence looks brittle, especially in bigger games. O Connor is in rehab and will hopefully make a full recovery. Regan is in football limbo.

Conor, Cillian and Conroy were all thrown in at 18/19.

GAA isn't like soccer where players stick around because that is their primary concern in life.

The reasons players 'disappear', may include burnout, but it may also include prioritising something else such as education, work, travel, beer or whatever. The best way to keep them keen is to keep them involved at an early stage.

Tommy Conroy looks like a real talent to me and seems to have a good attitude. He is slight but so are half of Tyrone's forwards and the likes of Jaime Clarke.

Mentioning Irwin's lack of pace is fair enough, but that didn't prevent the other forwards getting starts for the seniors last year. (Higgins apart). I would be concerned about his fitness if he isn't brought in, at least to the U-21s, but that might last only a game or two so I would give him a shot at senior sooner rather than later.

They'll have to do something radical. I can't remember exactly what Galway did in 87 after losing the 2 finals but I think Pat Malone was new to the midfield. PJ Molloy was dropped and Peter Murphy who was a makeweight also got the chop.
In the great Galway- Mayo fuball sequence 95- 97 Val Daly was one of the main players but Johnno dropped him in 98 and brought in Savage I think. Johnno  had relative lesser lights like the CHB and Sean O D who could perform well on occasion but dropped out afterwards   
He was fairly ruthless with John Donnellan too. Donnellan coulda been a contender but he was too tlathach.
Mayo should think about dumping  the subs who were no use in the second half and going for the young lads.
 
Who potentially has the "give me  the f&&&**g ball"  steel they need for the last 5 mins ? Joyce was very young but he knew what to do. Ok, it was only the Lilies but still .  :D

Si tu l'as tu l'as
et ca s'achete pas



"If you got it it you got it
and you can't buy it" 


Released August 1987 the week after Galway won their semifinal !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKibLPORq2s



John Donnellan was kept in the Galway squad to keep the brother happy! Once Galway won their AI in 1998, Johnno knew he was in greater position of authority and Michael had to play to his tune! Last year we had quite a number of defenders who got game time when games were (well) won. But when it came to the big calls and giving these lads a run, we did not trust them? This made giving them the earlier run outs redundant? Fresh new blood is good, but with t comes learning about the players character, this good and bad traits, getting him conditioned, assimilating him with the group, getting him in tune with the style of play of the team and so on. It's not as simple as picking one player and dropping another, especially a couple of years into a project.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.

I presume you are talking about John Donnellan being able to score against Mayo. Don't remember him being prolific! Maybe you mean some else? He did not score in 1998 (probably because he did not play).

As for dept. Dublin are the only county with dept. Who else has?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
A pretty lazy article. Always the same this time of year. Allot of the players named are on trial or squad members.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=208330 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=208330)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.

I presume you are talking about John Donnellan being able to score against Mayo. Don't remember him being prolific! Maybe you mean some else? He did not score in 1998 (probably because he did not play).

As for dept. Dublin are the only county with dept. Who else has?
You need a bench to win all Irelands. Galway in 87 had Noel Lane. Seamus Darby . That sort of thing. Losers always look back on chances missed. Fellas have off days. I would try the young lads in connacht. Maybe go back door. Whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on January 27, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I'll take this out of the general threads.

Only Syf and Rossfan would look in here.  ::)

Ciaran Kilkenny was born July 1993. He started against Mayo in Sept 2012.
The Dubs in 1995 had two 19 year olds as starters in the AIF.

Shane O'Donnell.

If Conroy has asked not to be considered for U-21 due to Kiltane's commitments then fair enough. If he wants time for the Leaving Cert then that is also fair enough. If not though............

The other member of the FF line Doherty should also be looked at.

A free scoring minor FF line is not something that comes along too often. Let's not make excuses for them to disappear down a well trodden path.

You certainly have the bit between the teeth with this one muppet :)

Is there not an arguement that throwing young fellas in too raw can ruin them? In these days of blanket defences and hairy defenders with years of conditioning and experience in the dark arts how will an undersized 18/19 yr old fare?
Certainly Irwin has the physique and the football but seems sadly lacking in pace. Imo opinion you need to be a Gooch or a big man like AOS to play as a 19yr old. Even Gooch says that he would not get a game now at the weight he started out at 10 yrs ago.

For what its worth I thought the quality players most likely to make it were Hall, Coen, Conlon and Plunkett. Hanley was also coming along nicely before his injury. Most of these guys play in hb line which is always where there seems to be lots of competition in a Mayo underage side.

We ve had lads who seemed to have an eye for goals before. Mikey Sweeney springs to mind and Jason Doherty couldn t stop scoring goals in the league a few years ago, Douglas was fairly keen at underage but........... Michael John Mullan was the minor goal hero in 85 and quickly promoted but never convinved as a senior. In fact we damn all seniors from the 85 team at all.

To the best of my recollection the best young inside forwards we ve produced since the turn of the century were Conoreen, Dillon, Conroy, O Connor and Regan. I m talking where they were as minors. The first 2 are finished or in the twilight of his career. Conroy seems in some way damaged by the wilderness years and his confidence looks brittle, especially in bigger games. O Connor is in rehab and will hopefully make a full recovery. Regan is in football limbo.

Conor, Cillian and Conroy were all thrown in at 18/19.

GAA isn't like soccer where players stick around because that is their primary concern in life.

The reasons players 'disappear', may include burnout, but it may also include prioritising something else such as education, work, travel, beer or whatever. The best way to keep them keen is to keep them involved at an early stage.

Tommy Conroy looks like a real talent to me and seems to have a good attitude. He is slight but so are half of Tyrone's forwards and the likes of Jaime Clarke.

Mentioning Irwin's lack of pace is fair enough, but that didn't prevent the other forwards getting starts for the seniors last year. (Higgins apart). I would be concerned about his fitness if he isn't brought in, at least to the U-21s, but that might last only a game or two so I would give him a shot at senior sooner rather than later.

They'll have to do something radical. I can't remember exactly what Galway did in 87 after losing the 2 finals but I think Pat Malone was new to the midfield. PJ Molloy was dropped and Peter Murphy who was a makeweight also got the chop.
In the great Galway- Mayo fuball sequence 95- 97 Val Daly was one of the main players but Johnno dropped him in 98 and brought in Savage I think. Johnno  had relative lesser lights like the CHB and Sean O D who could perform well on occasion but dropped out afterwards   
He was fairly ruthless with John Donnellan too. Donnellan coulda been a contender but he was too tlathach.
Mayo should think about dumping  the subs who were no use in the second half and going for the young lads.
 
Who potentially has the "give me  the f&&&**g ball"  steel they need for the last 5 mins ? Joyce was very young but he knew what to do. Ok, it was only the Lilies but still .  :D

Si tu l'as tu l'as
et ca s'achete pas



"If you got it it you got it
and you can't buy it" 


Released August 1987 the week after Galway won their semifinal !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKibLPORq2s



John Donnellan was kept in the Galway squad to keep the brother happy! Once Galway won their AI in 1998, Johnno knew he was in greater position of authority and Michael had to play to his tune! Last year we had quite a number of defenders who got game time when games were (well) won. But when it came to the big calls and giving these lads a run, we did not trust them? This made giving them the earlier run outs redundant? Fresh new blood is good, but with t comes learning about the players character, this good and bad traits, getting him conditioned, assimilating him with the group, getting him in tune with the style of play of the team and so on. It's not as simple as picking one player and dropping another, especially a couple of years into a project.

Very good point.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.

I presume you are talking about John Donnellan being able to score against Mayo. Don't remember him being prolific! Maybe you mean some else? He did not score in 1998 (probably because he did not play).

As for dept. Dublin are the only county with dept. Who else has?
You need a bench to win all Irelands. Galway in 87 had Noel Lane. Seamus Darby . That sort of thing. Losers always look back on chances missed. Fellas have off days. I would try the young lads in connacht. Maybe go back door. Whatever it takes.

Noel Lane was a legend, and coming to the end in '87! As for  Seamus Darby. He just got lucky. These examples don't really prove you need a bench!

You don't need a bench to win an AI title. Donegal proved that! You need a system, a couple of key men in key areas, discipline and fitness.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.

I presume you are talking about John Donnellan being able to score against Mayo. Don't remember him being prolific! Maybe you mean some else? He did not score in 1998 (probably because he did not play).

As for dept. Dublin are the only county with dept. Who else has?
You need a bench to win all Irelands. Galway in 87 had Noel Lane. Seamus Darby . That sort of thing. Losers always look back on chances missed. Fellas have off days. I would try the young lads in connacht. Maybe go back door. Whatever it takes.

Noel Lane was a legend, and coming to the end in '87! As for  Seamus Darby. He just got lucky. These examples don't really prove you need a bench!

You don't need a bench to win an AI title. Donegal proved that! You need a system, a couple of key men in key areas, discipline and fitness.

Mayo had all 4. There is nothing wrong fitness or discipline wise.
I'll come up with more subs if you give me time  ;). You need the 15 to be on form if you don't need a bench. Mayo were lost with 20 mins to go. No inspiration. They could always get back to a point but the Dubs kept them from leading. The dynamics just didn't work.  Whoever came on just added to the general malaise. I watched enough Galway teams with misfiring forwards on big days I could write a book on it. Even St Joe Cooney had days when the frees would not go over. GAA is a mind thing as well.

Now maybe  this year there will be no injuries but what are Mayo going to do better to nail that last 15 mins or even last 5 mins when players are wondering if they can do it?
A goal from someone just in can do the trick like not much else.

Could Horan go ruthless and drop one of the nailed on forwards and bring in a hot young fella ?   Little bit of competition. Get him to really want it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 09:26:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.

I presume you are talking about John Donnellan being able to score against Mayo. Don't remember him being prolific! Maybe you mean some else? He did not score in 1998 (probably because he did not play).

As for dept. Dublin are the only county with dept. Who else has?
You need a bench to win all Irelands. Galway in 87 had Noel Lane. Seamus Darby . That sort of thing. Losers always look back on chances missed. Fellas have off days. I would try the young lads in connacht. Maybe go back door. Whatever it takes.

Noel Lane was a legend, and coming to the end in '87! As for  Seamus Darby. He just got lucky. These examples don't really prove you need a bench!

You don't need a bench to win an AI title. Donegal proved that! You need a system, a couple of key men in key areas, discipline and fitness.

Mayo had all 4. There is nothing wrong fitness or discipline wise.
I'll come up with more subs if you give me time  ;). You need the 15 to be on form if you don't need a bench. Mayo were lost with 20 mins to go. No inspiration. They could always get back to a point but the Dubs kept them from leading. The dynamics just didn't work.  Whoever came on just added to the general malaise. I watched enough Galway teams with misfiring forwards on big days I could write a book on it. Even St Joe Cooney had days when the frees would not go over. GAA is a mind thing as well.

Now maybe  this year there will be no injuries but what are Mayo going to do better to nail that last 15 mins or even last 5 mins when players are wondering if they can do it?
A goal from someone just in can do the trick like not much else.

Could Horan go ruthless and drop one of the nailed on forwards and bring in a hot young fella ?   Little bit of competition. Get him to really want it.

In reality, there are up to 3 positions up for grabs in the forward line! Doherty, Conroy, Coen, Dillon, Varley, Feeney, Freeman, McLoughlin are far from sure of starting. Which only leaves Cillian, Andy and Keith Higgins as certainties (at the moment). So there is your competition. And I've not even mentioned the perspective lads to be added to the squad! Ah anyway the reality is we need to avoid injuries this year. Injuries killed us last year! Look at what injuries did to Donegal last year and the way they were 12 months earlier with a clean bill of health?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on January 27, 2014, 09:43:58 PM
In fairness, the All-Ireland medal in the arse pocket also had an impact on Donegal's performances last year I think :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 19, 2014, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 18, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
+1. One of the best quality players in county over the years. Previous poster went on about maturity but what s that about?

The maturity im talking about is realising that he needs to match hard work with his undoubted talent to fullfill his potential.I remember hearing stories about Tom having a bit of a questionable attitude towards training when he was making his way onto the senior team.However this is all in the past and i wish Tom all the best if we get him playing like he can he will be a serious asset for us.

There are always stories. I heard them too. But what I heard from lads that played with him in college, was that he could not explain his dip in form. I didn t hear the questionable attitude thing. I d factor in the mess that these lads encountered as they moved from underage to senior.  There was a few casualties in the Johnno years. Boyle was nearly lost and Conroy lost important years which I believe has damaged him.
I remember Horan giving Parsons a run in his first year as manager in either an FBD or League game. Thought he did well and was surprised he was cut.

Tom Parsons started three games in Horan's first year - against Armagh, in that memorable thrashing from Dublin, and Monaghan. Horan had a good long look at him at the time, in fairness to him. And we'd all wish him well. He certainly had the cut of a footballer  about him.

Here's a man who featured in 2011 who hasn't been heard of since: Aidan Campbell. Is there any word of that man?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: sans pessimism on January 27, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 19, 2014, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 18, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
+1. One of the best quality players in county over the years. Previous poster went on about maturity but what s that about?

The maturity im talking about is realising that he needs to match hard work with his undoubted talent to fullfill his potential.I remember hearing stories about Tom having a bit of a questionable attitude towards training when he was making his way onto the senior team.However this is all in the past and i wish Tom all the best if we get him playing like he can he will be a serious asset for us.

There are always stories. I heard them too. But what I heard from lads that played with him in college, was that he could not explain his dip in form. I didn t hear the questionable attitude thing. I d factor in the mess that these lads encountered as they moved from underage to senior.  There was a few casualties in the Johnno years. Boyle was nearly lost and Conroy lost important years which I believe has damaged him.
I remember Horan giving Parsons a run in his first year as manager in either an FBD or League game. Thought he did well and was surprised he was cut.

Tom Parsons started three games in Horan's first year - against Armagh, in that memorable thrashing from Dublin, and Monaghan. Horan had a good long look at him at the time, in fairness to him. And we'd all wish him well. He certainly had the cut of a footballer  about him.

Here's a man who featured in 2011 who hasn't been heard of since: Aidan Campbell. Is there any word of that man?
Aidan suffered a serious knee injury minutes before throw-in vs Ballintubber in C/ship last October.A long recovery is ahead according to himself, in a heart wrenching article in the Mayo News some time ago
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 27, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
He was well able to score against Mayo...
Anyway I'd say the Mayo squad doesn't have enough depth yet. Vulnerable to injuries, replacements not as good as in other big teams.

I presume you are talking about John Donnellan being able to score against Mayo. Don't remember him being prolific! Maybe you mean some else? He did not score in 1998 (probably because he did not play).

As for dept. Dublin are the only county with dept. Who else has?
You need a bench to win all Irelands. Galway in 87 had Noel Lane. Seamus Darby . That sort of thing. Losers always look back on chances missed. Fellas have off days. I would try the young lads in connacht. Maybe go back door. Whatever it takes.

Noel Lane was a legend, and coming to the end in '87! As for  Seamus Darby. He just got lucky. These examples don't really prove you need a bench!

You don't need a bench to win an AI title. Donegal proved that! You need a system, a couple of key men in key areas, discipline and fitness.

Mayo had all 4. There is nothing wrong fitness or discipline wise.
I'll come up with more subs if you give me time  ;). You need the 15 to be on form if you don't need a bench. Mayo were lost with 20 mins to go. No inspiration. They could always get back to a point but the Dubs kept them from leading. The dynamics just didn't work.  Whoever came on just added to the general malaise. I watched enough Galway teams with misfiring forwards on big days I could write a book on it. Even St Joe Cooney had days when the frees would not go over. GAA is a mind thing as well.

Now maybe  this year there will be no injuries but what are Mayo going to do better to nail that last 15 mins or even last 5 mins when players are wondering if they can do it?
A goal from someone just in can do the trick like not much else.

Could Horan go ruthless and drop one of the nailed on forwards and bring in a hot young fella ?   Little bit of competition. Get him to really want it.

I'm mostly with you on this Seafóid.

Ye all know I wanted Horan to be bold a year ago ( mostly I was ridiculed for tearing up a team and blah blah blah) - eventually he took the muzzle off higgins and let him bite but he did not go far enough.
Mayo is unfortunately a conservative county by nature, as referenda have shown but that is not a positive for a manager chasing something that years of conservative management has failed to nail. For a lot of Mayo folk the most important thing is that the local boy is not dropped. Maybe it is the same everywhere.
Horan dropped a lad from the panel a week after he scored 3 goals in a senior championship match - after going on about picking form players in the past. The player at the time was told he was a victim of the boards directive to trim the panel. He was the only one trimmed. At that time our remaining forwards in the panel resembled casualties from Gallipoli.
And we did have a bench. Mostly its name was Richie Feeney and he was very effective but was not used in a game that was teed up for him last 20.The AI final. That decision is up there with not having Pat Fallon on the bench for the 96 final.
2 impact subs and 2/3 fresh legs/injury subs is enough. The Freeman substitution was affectively a panic decision and limited our options. Freeman had more to offer and Conroy would have been more effective with the game stretched later. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on January 28, 2014, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on January 27, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 19, 2014, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 18, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
+1. One of the best quality players in county over the years. Previous poster went on about maturity but what s that about?

The maturity im talking about is realising that he needs to match hard work with his undoubted talent to fullfill his potential.I remember hearing stories about Tom having a bit of a questionable attitude towards training when he was making his way onto the senior team.However this is all in the past and i wish Tom all the best if we get him playing like he can he will be a serious asset for us.

There are always stories. I heard them too. But what I heard from lads that played with him in college, was that he could not explain his dip in form. I didn t hear the questionable attitude thing. I d factor in the mess that these lads encountered as they moved from underage to senior.  There was a few casualties in the Johnno years. Boyle was nearly lost and Conroy lost important years which I believe has damaged him.
I remember Horan giving Parsons a run in his first year as manager in either an FBD or League game. Thought he did well and was surprised he was cut.

Tom Parsons started three games in Horan's first year - against Armagh, in that memorable thrashing from Dublin, and Monaghan. Horan had a good long look at him at the time, in fairness to him. And we'd all wish him well. He certainly had the cut of a footballer  about him.

Here's a man who featured in 2011 who hasn't been heard of since: Aidan Campbell. Is there any word of that man?

JOM in my mind put Parsons back years. Maybe he was another victim of too much too soon, lack of maturity etc. Dont forget that JOM started Tom at full forward in an all-ireland Q/final v Meath, FFS.
Maybe his time has come and gone, on the other hand he is still best natural fielder we have and is probably no more than 25 or 26.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on January 28, 2014, 02:33:05 PM
To be fair to Horan he has already played some of last year's minor. Diarmuid O'Connor, Stephen Coen and Conor Loftus have all been involved. This knocks any non-footballing arguments against selecting last year's minors on the head

While Coen will have serious competition for a place in the backs (we have current 3/4 All-Stars who play there) the other 2 are competing in a more open contest. But I would still love to see some of the goal poachers from last year given a run.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on January 29, 2014, 08:53:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
For a lot of Mayo folk the most important thing is that the local boy is not dropped. Maybe it is the same everywhere.

Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Horan dropped a lad from the panel a week after he scored 3 goals in a senior championship match - after going on about picking form players in the past. The player at the time was told he was a victim of the boards directive to trim the panel.


Are you calling yourself out here moy??!!  :o
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 29, 2014, 05:20:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 29, 2014, 08:53:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
For a lot of Mayo folk the most important thing is that the local boy is not dropped. Maybe it is the same everywhere.

Quote from: moysider on January 27, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Horan dropped a lad from the panel a week after he scored 3 goals in a senior championship match - after going on about picking form players in the past. The player at the time was told he was a victim of the boards directive to trim the panel.


Are you calling yourself out here moy??!!  :o

You could be forgiven for thinking that.

I m hearing a Mayo player - it upsets some peoples sensibilities to mention his name because of where he is from - scored 10 from 11 points for Sligo IT today.
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Post by: mayoman dan on January 29, 2014, 06:00:19 PM

I m hearing a Mayo player - it upsets some peoples sensibilities to mention his name because of where he is from - scored 10 from 11 points for Sligo IT today.
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The same player is heading for the states instead of croke park for the summer.Its an awful shame hes just what we need
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Blowitupref on January 29, 2014, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 29, 2014, 06:00:19 PM

I m hearing a Mayo player - it upsets some peoples sensibilities to mention his name because of where he is from - scored 10 from 11 points for Sligo IT today.

The same player is heading for the states instead of croke park for the summer.Its an awful shame hes just what we need
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Would that explain why he decided not to return?
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Post by: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2014, 07:03:19 PM
It could well have been a factor. It's disappointing I suppose. But a fella is entitled to travel, he's young in fairness. Hopefully he will have other opportunities to shine in Croke Park in the future.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 29, 2014, 08:05:15 PM

I don t expect much disappointment or fuss about this. Same player was flying last year and left out and few questioned the decision at the time.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on January 30, 2014, 10:50:47 AM
Evan was flying last year in the run up to the All Ireland quarter finals but was cut from the panel ( fair enough that's Horan's call) but the way and reason he was told was handled badly by the Mayo management and left a sour taste.
Now Evan did struggle with injury up to this point and Horan wasn't happy with how he managed this injury especially in 2012 when it looked like Evan was breaking through onto the first 15.

With regards to this year Evan has chosen to concentrate on the U21's because he is seriously thinking of heading to the states for a year. This is not a 3 month trip to play ball and drink in New York but he is considering a permanent (1 or 2 yrs) move as he is not really happy with his college course and I think ( 80% sure) he holds an American passport as he was born there so his options are more open than the standard illegal tradesman or J1 student player heading stateside!
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 01, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
From hoganstand.

QuoteMayo's sponsorship deal with Elvery's is in jeopardy after the sports chain went into receivership yesterday.

While all 650 jobs at the chain will be saved under a planned sale, it remains to be seen if the new owners will honour the final two years of the company's sponsorship deal with Mayo GAA. The current deal, which was brokered at the end of 2011, also included a naming rights deal for the redeveloped MacHale Park, which carries a substantial debt.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 14, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
So, Gavin Duffy is training with Mayo panel according to David Brady on Newstalks Off The Ball.
Not alone that, but he stood out.

Well that's news to intrigue and excite any Mayo supporter. May be horseshite, may have some truth but come to nothing, or he could offer us something we've been missing.
I'm excited anyway!
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Post by: FL/MAYO on May 14, 2014, 09:24:36 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/former-connacht-and-ireland-fullback-gavin-duffy-in-training-with-mayo-30275640.html
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
What position will he be playing in? If he gets on.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on May 14, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Training as a player? Or in as part of the backroom staff? The latter I would think / hope
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on May 14, 2014, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
What position will he be playing in? If he gets on.

Playing?

Have we not seen this story before? When Kevin Moran retired?? Niall Quinn???

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 14, 2014, 09:36:17 PM
Playing. He's only 32. Could be complete shite, Brady has form in that regard.
But if it's true it will be fascinating to see how it goes
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on May 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
You'd trust him in the FB line.
Can only be a good thing
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 14, 2014, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 14, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Training as a player? Or in as part of the backroom staff? The latter I would think / hope

Player of course. We ve enough back room staff. Don t understand the hope?

I mentioned this might happen a few weeks ago. But I wouldn t worry macdanger2. I expect he s weighing up his options and will likely finish off with a couple of years with the rugby in France or Italy. We re unlikely to be lucky enough to get him for a couple of years.
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Post by: muppet on May 14, 2014, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
You'd trust him in the FB line.
Can only be a good thing

Has he played any club football lately?

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 14, 2014, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
You'd trust him in the FB line.
Can only be a good thing

Not likely imo. Always played midfield and could have something to offer as a ff. Was always a better gaelic player than a rugby player anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 14, 2014, 10:24:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 14, 2014, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
You'd trust him in the FB line.
Can only be a good thing

Has he played any club football lately?

Not competitively anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on May 14, 2014, 10:46:35 PM
Statement from Co. Board on Twitter confirming Duffy is indeed training with the senior squad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on May 14, 2014, 11:11:46 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 14, 2014, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
You'd trust him in the FB line.
Can only be a good thing

Not likely imo. Always played midfield and could have something to offer as a ff. Was always a better gaelic player than a rugby player anyway.

Yeah I always thought him and James Gill should have swapped careers as I think they both picked the sport they weren't necessarily best at.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 14, 2014, 11:16:15 PM
Quote from: bucko on May 14, 2014, 10:46:35 PM
Statement from Co. Board on Twitter confirming Duffy is indeed training with the senior squad.

It would be great if he could commit for the summer. Huge imo. Hopefully he can get employment locally without taking a rugby contract for a few more years. As somebody else said it can only be a good thing. Always seemed he had unfinished business with Mayo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on May 14, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 14, 2014, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 14, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Training as a player? Or in as part of the backroom staff? The latter I would think / hope

Player of course. We ve enough back room staff. Don t understand the hope?

I mentioned this might happen a few weeks ago. But I wouldn t worry macdanger2. I expect he s weighing up his options and will likely finish off with a couple of years with the rugby in France or Italy. We re unlikely to be lucky enough to get him for a couple of years.

I would say it is more likely he would get fixed up with a job in Galway and play maybe a couple of more seasons AIL with Galwegians. During this time he serve his coaching apprentice with Wegians eventually ending up with Connacht coaching in the academy or A squad.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 14, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 14, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 14, 2014, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 14, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Training as a player? Or in as part of the backroom staff? The latter I would think / hope

Player of course. We ve enough back room staff. Don t understand the hope?

I mentioned this might happen a few weeks ago. But I wouldn t worry macdanger2. I expect he s weighing up his options and will likely finish off with a couple of years with the rugby in France or Italy. We re unlikely to be lucky enough to get him for a couple of years.

I would say it is more likely he would get fixed up with a job in Galway and play maybe a couple of more seasons AIL with Galwegians. During this time he serve his coaching apprentice with Wegians eventually ending up with Connacht coaching in the academy or A squad.

Ye can tell there s a bit of a negative attitude towards him getting involved with Mayo. He ll be playing his club in Galway so the begrudgers should be at least relieved he hasn t resumed with Galway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on May 15, 2014, 08:50:48 AM
Duffy was a serious underage player, I used to hate seeing him togging out for Ballina  >:(

However, after 14 or 15 years away from playing GAA, it's hard to see how he could come straight back in and play at the highest level. On the other hand, if he proves himself good enough then that'd be great.

He has great experience at a very high level and his professionalism would be welcome but I'd be surprised if he's good enough to get much gametime.

If he's coming back playing with Ballina, it would be a big boost for them
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 15, 2014, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 15, 2014, 08:50:48 AM
Duffy was a serious underage player, I used to hate seeing him togging out for Ballina  >:(

However, after 14 or 15 years away from playing GAA, it's hard to see how he could come straight back in and play at the highest level. On the other hand, if he proves himself good enough then that'd be great.

He has great experience at a very high level and his professionalism would be welcome but I'd be surprised if he's good enough to get much gametime.

If he's coming back playing with Ballina, it would be a big boost for them

Meant to be playing with Salthill-Knocknacarra, so will hardly be playing with the Stephenites.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on May 15, 2014, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 15, 2014, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 15, 2014, 08:50:48 AM
Duffy was a serious underage player, I used to hate seeing him togging out for Ballina  >:(

However, after 14 or 15 years away from playing GAA, it's hard to see how he could come straight back in and play at the highest level. On the other hand, if he proves himself good enough then that'd be great.

He has great experience at a very high level and his professionalism would be welcome but I'd be surprised if he's good enough to get much gametime.

If he's coming back playing with Ballina, it would be a big boost for them

Meant to be playing with Salthill-Knocknacarra, so will hardly be playing with the Stephenites.

  :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 14, 2014, 08:39:29 PM
Ballagh only scored 1-5 this eve. I wonder is the rumour about Andy that was spread by larryin89's barstool friends correct?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on June 14, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
Farr how is KMc seemed to be limping when he got the Black Card, Young Ruttledge looks a prospect
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 14, 2014, 11:13:18 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 14, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
Farr how is KMc seemed to be limping when he got the Black Card, Young Ruttledge looks a prospect

Which one Keith or Mark? 2 very good footballers imo but very different.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
I spoke to members of management and they didn't say anything about him limping. Just it was a black card offence. Moy, that would be Keith. Very fast player. Mark took a year out from football last year. He's getting back into the swing of things with fhe juniors. Both still u21 I think.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on June 15, 2014, 09:47:06 AM
Yeah, Keith kicked some great points looks a prospect, and your favourite county player   ;D  scored 5 points despite having 3 Knockmore men marking him at all times. Knockmore play a nice running game but their fullback line may be an Achilles heel against better opposition.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Red on June 15, 2014, 01:48:48 PM
Ballagh scored 1-5?
Were they missing players?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 15, 2014, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 15, 2014, 09:47:06 AM
Yeah, Keith kicked some great points looks a prospect, and your favourite county player   ;D  scored 5 points despite having 3 Knockmore men marking him at all times. Knockmore play a nice running game but their fullback line may be an Achilles heel against better opposition.

Keith is an extremely clever player. Can make a forward line tick and can take a score. Lack of size was the only thing that held him back at county level.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
The 'interview' of the new Mayo managers is out on facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA2OBQs0Kbc
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 22, 2014, 10:21:13 PM
On the PR front, I think mort is having his book launch in a couple of weeks, "One Sunday"
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on October 24, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
The 'interview' of the new Mayo managers is out on facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA2OBQs0Kbc
Watched the interview, appeared to be a choreographed affair, Connelly looked uncomfortable to me and the answers to the questions came across as trying to dampen down expectations as opposed to Horan's condistantly competitive line.
News now is as of last night Paddy MacNicholas announced he will step fown as CB chairman at the county convention. Finally seemed to sink in that his position was no longer tenable after the whole management selection fiasco. Will be interesting to see who will be the front runner to replace him and how much of a connection they will have with the new senior team management😆
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on October 24, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: bucko on October 24, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
The 'interview' of the new Mayo managers is out on facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA2OBQs0Kbc
Watched the interview, appeared to be a choreographed affair, Connelly looked uncomfortable to me and the answers to the questions came across as trying to dampen down expectations as opposed to Horan's condistantly competitive line.
News now is as of last night Paddy MacNicholas announced he will step fown as CB chairman at the county convention. Finally seemed to sink in that his position was no longer tenable after the whole management selection fiasco. Will be interesting to see who will be the front runner to replace him and how much of a connection they will have with the new senior team management😆

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on October 24, 2014, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 24, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: bucko on October 24, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
The 'interview' of the new Mayo managers is out on facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA2OBQs0Kbc
Watched the interview, appeared to be a choreographed affair, Connelly looked uncomfortable to me and the answers to the questions came across as trying to dampen down expectations as opposed to Horan's condistantly competitive line.
News now is as of last night Paddy MacNicholas announced he will step fown as CB chairman at the county convention. Finally seemed to sink in that his position was no longer tenable after the whole management selection fiasco. Will be interesting to see who will be the front runner to replace him and how much of a connection they will have with the new senior team management😆

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Couldn't find an emoji for sarcasm!😜
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Yes bucko, the interview did indeed remind me of 'lowering expectations', we all know how the last term went with 'dampened expectations' as well... I just think that this interview and the jersey design is a token gesture far, far too late to get supporters onside again.
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Post by: Never beat the deeler on October 30, 2014, 01:11:21 AM
Anybody know what Michael Gallagher is on about on twitter?

"Hearing rumblings of a MAJOR change at Mayo County Board lever. Wonders never cease. @Western People"
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Post by: moysider on October 30, 2014, 09:28:11 PM

Dunno, but Neary coming in for some criticism as well now for not acting on a directive agreed by the club delegates re concerns about the match in Limerick.
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Post by: moysider on October 30, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Yes bucko, the interview did indeed remind me of 'lowering expectations', we all know how the last term went with 'dampened expectations' as well... I just think that this interview and the jersey design is a token gesture far, far too late to get supporters onside again.

It appears that video has been removed ???

Didn t see it. What was it about anyway?
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Post by: Never beat the deeler on October 30, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 30, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Yes bucko, the interview did indeed remind me of 'lowering expectations', we all know how the last term went with 'dampened expectations' as well... I just think that this interview and the jersey design is a token gesture far, far too late to get supporters onside again.

It appears that video has been removed ???

Didn t see it. What was it about anyway?

It's back up, moy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhflMgyYes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhflMgyYes)


Willie Joe, has a piece on it here:
http://mayogaablog.com/?p=15673 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=15673)
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Post by: moysider on October 31, 2014, 01:26:25 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 30, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 30, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Yes bucko, the interview did indeed remind me of 'lowering expectations', we all know how the last term went with 'dampened expectations' as well... I just think that this interview and the jersey design is a token gesture far, far too late to get supporters onside again.

It appears that video has been removed ???

Didn t see it. What was it about anyway?

It's back up, moy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhflMgyYes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhflMgyYes)


Willie Joe, has a piece on it here:
http://mayogaablog.com/?p=15673 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=15673)

Actually I wish I hadn t seen that shite.
Who thought that was a good idea? For the love of God that ranks as bad as any staged advertising/propaganda as I ve ever seen. Look lads, you got the job! Once you start explaining and trying to justify yourselves, you re already losing credibility.

These guys are bet before they start with that kind of blather. Terrible judgement to get roped into that fuckology. If they get that so wrong, how can they possibly manage the serious stuff later. Their judgement is cat.
Who thought this was a good idea? Holmes and Conn? Somebody decided to do this and if it wasn t new management then how did they agree to do this!! Unbelievable.
We ve a history of managers that make poor decisions when it matters. These guys lose the plot before a ball is kicked.
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Post by: Tubberman on November 04, 2014, 08:58:03 AM
I see McHale was asked a question again, so obviously had to tell the media far more than was necessary.
What he said isn't a big deal, but it's not his business to be bringing into the public domain.
He has terrible media judgement, delighted he's not involved in Mayo management to be honest.

http://hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=227032 (http://hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=227032)

Liam McHale has claimed that Kevin McStay had Noel Connelly in mind for a selector's role before discovering that Connelly was also in the running for the Mayo's manager's job.

As it transpired, Connelly and Pat Holmes were appointed joint-managers in succession to James Horan at the end of September after McStay's presentation was deemed "too radical" for the Mayo county board.

McHale, who was on the McStay ticket but has since taken up a coaching role with Cavan, told the Western People: "The funny thing was, before Noel put his name in the hat, Kevin rang me and asked what I thought about Noel coming in as selector.

"Kevin told me that he had heard nothing but good things about Noel, but that he wouldn't know him as well as I did. I told him you couldn't get a better guy than Noel.

"But then when Noel's name came into the picture, Kevin couldn't ring him because I suppose they became rivals at that stage. It would have been disrespectful. But that's the way Kevin was thinking at the time, that the packet would be himself.

"But that's just the way it goes."
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 04, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
Ah in fairness, it's more of an endorsement of Connelly by McHale. He does tend to say too much. For Mayo football sake he should keep stum for a while. 
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Post by: muppet on November 04, 2014, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
Ah in fairness, it's more of an endorsement of Connelly by McHale. He does tend to say too much. For Mayo football sake he should keep stum for a while.

I agree.

But I also agree he should play his cards a little closer to his chest.
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Post by: moysider on November 04, 2014, 12:38:32 PM

Longer version of that interview in Western People yesterday.

Agree might be better to be less expansive with his opinions.
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Post by: moysider on November 08, 2014, 10:12:26 PM

There are murmurings about that Conoreen is throwing his hat into the ring for consideration.
We ll know more anon.

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Post by: maigheo on November 08, 2014, 10:48:55 PM
Consideration for what?Anyone read the book?Nothing against him but I do not know why he felt that people wanted to know his story.I thought it was a piss take when it was announced that he was writing a book.Funnily enough I have not heard one Mayo supporter call for his return to the team over the past 2 years even tho he is Mayos all time leading scorer and we probably could have used him at some stage,which I think says a lot.
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Post by: moysider on November 08, 2014, 11:31:15 PM
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Quote from: maigheo on November 08, 2014, 10:48:55 PM
Consideration for what?Anyone read the book?Nothing against him but I do not know why he felt that people wanted to know his story.I thought it was a piss take when it was announced that he was writing a book.Funnily enough I have not heard one Mayo supporter call for his return to the team over the past 2 years even tho he is Mayos all time leading scorer and we probably could have used him at some stage,which I think says a lot.

For inclusion in the panel I assume. Only saying this out there. Might not happen but I suspect he has unfinished business.

I ve heard a good few Mayo supporters question his absence actually. Understandable to an extent when some forwards included in the panel after his exile were cuck compared to Mort.
Now for those many people who hated Conoreen and thought he was iffy, I wonder what they made of some of those retained?
I ll always imagine that he may have made a difference. Some of those preferred in his absence couldn t.
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Post by: muppet on November 08, 2014, 11:41:16 PM
We could certainly do with a reliable left-footed free taker. Also when he played he was usually picked up by the best defender. That wouldn't happen with Cillian there. However he is 32 (I believe) and it would depend on the view of the squad. If he was flying and the squad were in the main happy, I'd have him there.
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Post by: maigheo on November 09, 2014, 02:16:01 AM
I do not think the squads  view on whether he should come back should come into it.If Connelly and Holmes think he can improve the team then he should  be brought back but at this stage I cannot see him  taking to the role of a potential impact sub
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Post by: muppet on November 09, 2014, 01:32:32 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 09, 2014, 02:16:01 AM
I do not think the squads  view on whether he should come back should come into it.If Connelly and Holmes think he can improve the team then he should  be brought back but at this stage I cannot see him  taking to the role of a potential impact sub

Really?

If the squad were all against it, you would still bring him back?
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Post by: maigheo on November 09, 2014, 02:03:34 PM
Obiviously not but a manager would only run it by a few of his top players if  he was thinking of brining back a controversial player and then make the decision himself.At the end of the day Mort left the panel and made sure to do it at a time to cause the most disruption so I have little sympathy for him and I would prefer not to see him back
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Post by: IolarCoisCuain on November 09, 2014, 09:23:30 PM
I've read the book.

If I understand it correctly - Conor isn't always consistent in what he says - he wasn't being picked for the team and he wanted to know why. Conor was told there was a place for him on the bench, but Jason Doherty and Enda Varley were being picked ahead of him because they were better tacklers. Conor couldn't come to terms with this and walked.

Now. There's two things there - the bench, and the tackling. On the bench, Conor doesn't buy into the modern notion of a squad. As he says himself in the book, "sitting on the bench ... that's limbo land." That's not a helpful attitude.

On the tackling, Conor makes it plain that he considers forwards to have one job and one job only, and that's scoring (he also says that Trevor was a forward more than a back, while conceding that Trevor had a problem with shooting. How does this sit with Conor's attitude that a forward's job is to score? Like I say, he can be a little logicially inconsistent).

Moysider is correct in saying that Mortimer was a better scorer on his worst day than some of the others who were picked ahead of him. But that's not what he was asked to do.

He doesn't say it, but it's fairly clear that Conor had zero interest in tackling. He wanted to play his way, or not at all. And he choose not at all, of his own free will.

Could Conor have made a difference, coming off the bench? Sure he could. But his ego wouldn't let him sit on the bench in the first place. As for the thing about the duty of a forward being to score and not to tackle, Donegal wouldn't have won three of four Ulster titles if Michael Murphy had the same attitude as Conor. And I think that settles the debate.
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Post by: moysider on November 09, 2014, 10:59:08 PM
Not sure it does though Iolar. That s the thing.

When Conor walked I didn t shed a tear. I first saw him play in 97 and as well as being the smallest lad on the field he was also brilliant and a scamp. He never seemed to grow up and maybe a lot of us saw his departure as the last of the old ways when some of our best talent always seemed to refuse to develop into responsible leaders.

I remember Conoreen tackling back well in his last few appearances. I haven t read the book (and unlikely that I will) but I would take a lot of Conoreen's words as spin, justification, revisionism etc. Maybe even bitterness - but I haven t read the book.

The tackling/workrate issue is a double edged sword.

Conor -for his size- could win his own ball and generally use it fairly well. Unless he had a top defender on him (he usually had) he could do real damage.If you pick Varley e.g. instead, you are going to win less ball inside, concede possession to a team that counters-attack and carry less threat. Maybe Varley was a better tackler? He wasn t great either but he d have a lot more chasing to do! Anybody that was at the Ballyshannon Massacre in league in 2012 will know what I mean. Yet Varley stayed in the plans right up til the Kerry games 2014.
This is not about having a go at Varley. Another forward called Alan Murphy could not be used at all! Must be a savage man to track back in training.

Conoreen has had his speak on things and the real story often takes longer to seep out. I believe there was considerably player influence involved in panel evolution during the Horan era. But, as I say, the real story may take some time to emerge, or may never emerge.

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Post by: IolarCoisCuain on November 09, 2014, 11:56:34 PM
I'm not sure that's really the point Moysider. In a team, there can only be one boss.

Now, if a boss is cute, he can handle difficult men. There was an American football coach, Chuck Noll, who thought any eejit could coach a star team. But to take a player with potential, get him over his troubles and then show the world he's star - Noll thought that was coaching.

There's no hard and fast rule on this. The Argentinean coach at the World Cup was there to agree with Messi. Was Conor as far ahead of every other Gaelic footballer in Ireland as Messi was every soccer player in the world? Conor had delusions of grandeur.

I don't think it's a question of Horan choosing one particular player or another over Conor. I think it's a more a case of he wanted all his men marching to the same tune, and that tune wasn't on Conor's playlist. There's only one way that's ever going to go.
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Post by: maigheo on November 10, 2014, 12:36:32 AM
I often think that Horan ,in 4 years got way more criticism than j.o.m in his 4 years even tho there is no comparison between there records.Mort started at least 4 or 5 league games but it seems morts display in the league final was when Horan decided that he was not starter material.Horan had a vision of how he wanted Mayo to play and if 29 players on the panel were buying into it and one was not then it was only ever going to end in one way.You have the likes of Barry Moran and Tom Parsons who were dropped off the panel but thro hard work and persistence made there way back.That was not going to be the way for Mort who probably considered himself one of the top forwards in the country and that he should have been an automatic starter on the Mayo team .On another note I see Connelly and Holmes were interviewed on Madwest today.Came across ok but I think for some people they are talking way to much even before a ball is kicked
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Post by: moysider on November 10, 2014, 01:22:17 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on November 09, 2014, 11:56:34 PM
I'm not sure that's really the point Moysider. In a team, there can only be one boss.

Now, if a boss is cute, he can handle difficult men. There was an American football coach, Chuck Noll, who thought any eejit could coach a star team. But to take a player with potential, get him over his troubles and then show the world he's star - Noll thought that was coaching.

There's no hard and fast rule on this. The Argentinean coach at the World Cup was there to agree with Messi. Was Conor as far ahead of every other Gaelic footballer in Ireland as Messi was every soccer player in the world? Conor had delusions of grandeur.

I don't think it's a question of Horan choosing one particular player or another over Conor. I think it's a more a case of he wanted all his men marching to the same tune, and that tune wasn't on Conor's playlist. There's only one way that's ever going to go.

Yeah. And neither Argentina or Mayo win.
I m not so sure that Conor would not march to the tune but he was not wanted in the parade. And there was another casualty of that type of purge. I ve no doubt that Conoreen could have gone through stone walls but his fate was sealed. He was dead man walking from a long way out.

I think it is unfair to compare Conoreen to Donegal's Michael Murphy. Compare him instead' maybe, to McFadden - a giant of a man in size - who has been indulged for years because he can finish. Work- rate of a sick hen, and possibly cost Donegal in final this year because he was so immobile. He' s been carried for years because others do the donkey work and he can nail a score. Would Conoreen have been in McGuiness's team? Yeah, I think. That man knew what different players were capable off and contributed in different ways.


Horan made his choices but he did get it wrong in the end. He ran out of bench.
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Post by: maigheo on November 10, 2014, 03:02:19 AM
Jeez I would never have compared Mort to McFadden in a million years.Bar 2006 Mort rarely produced in big games and whatever about Horan not wanting him Jim Mcguiness certainly would not have entertained  Mortimer in any way shape or form.To be fair to Mort he gave a lot of years to Mayo football but he would never have been considered a top inter county forward out side his own head.
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Post by: muppet on November 10, 2014, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: maigheo on November 10, 2014, 03:02:19 AM
Jeez I would never have compared Mort to McFadden in a million years.Bar 2006 Mort rarely produced in big games and whatever about Horan not wanting him Jim Mcguiness certainly would not have entertained  Mortimer in any way shape or form.To be fair to Mort he gave a lot of years to Mayo football but he would never have been considered a top inter county forward out side his own head.

Really?

If you don't like the man fair enough, but this is a ridiculous comment for a former All-Star, Mayo's top scorer ever and top scorer in the Championship.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 10, 2014, 04:08:08 PM
I fail to believe Horan got more criticism than Johnno's second coming.
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Post by: IolarCoisCuain on November 10, 2014, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 10, 2014, 01:22:17 AM
I m not so sure that Conor would not march to the tune but he was not wanted in the parade. And there was another casualty of that type of purge. I ve no doubt that Conoreen could have gone through stone walls but his fate was sealed. He was dead man walking from a long way out.

Maigheo's point about Tom Parsons and Barry Moran being exiled and being brought back would suggest that Horan mightn't be as set in his ways as all that Moysider. As for any other casualties, I don't know. I've only read Conor's book, and these are the conclusions I've drawn from it.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 10, 2014, 04:08:08 PM
I fail to believe Horan got more criticism than Johnno's second coming.

Funny you should mention it Farrandeelin. Conor has huge time for Johnno. Can't praise him enough. Thinks Johnno did a mighty job while he was in charge, but was let down by the calibre of his assistants.

Now. We all know that Johnno walked in 1991 because he wasn't let choose his own selectors. I'd say he was let choose his back room second time around so, if the backroom staff weren't any good, it was Johnno that picked them. As I said earlier, Conor can be a little inconsistent in his arguments.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on November 10, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Since this whole Mortimer saga has erupted, (Lord God can we ever just shut up and let football do the talking :-\) I was reminded of what my neighbour said to me in the wake of Mort's departure from the panel. The neighbour in question works with Horan in Coke. He asked him about Mortimer and if he (Horan) was shocked by it and Horan kind of gave him the impression that he wanted Mortimer off the whole panel. A "raison d'etre" on behalf of Horan if you like, as it seemed as if he hadn't a care in the world about Mort.

I would prefer to see Iolar's side though. I think that Horan would have wanted him to leave because he wasn't in line with the rest of them. You have to buy in to team tactics etc. Imagine a Kilkenny hurler quitting because he was on the bench! Well I for one can't, and I can only imagine him stepping up to the mark if he was brought on and in training the next night the squad gathered together.
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Post by: moysider on November 10, 2014, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 10, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Since this whole Mortimer saga has erupted, (Lord God can we ever just shut up and let football do the talking :-\) I was reminded of what my neighbour said to me in the wake of Mort's departure from the panel. The neighbour in question works with Horan in Coke. He asked him about Mortimer and if he (Horan) was shocked by it and Horan kind of gave him the impression that he wanted Mortimer off the whole panel. A "raison d'etre" on behalf of Horan if you like, as it seemed as if he hadn't a care in the world about Mort.

I would prefer to see Iolar's side though. I think that Horan would have wanted him to leave because he wasn't in line with the rest of them. You have to buy in to team tactics etc. Imagine a Kilkenny hurler quitting because he was on the bench! Well I for one can't, and I can only imagine him stepping up to the mark if he was brought on and in training the next night the squad gathered together.

Well it happened Farr. Charlie Carter thought that Cody was f**king him about and walked. Charlie had a few All-Stars and a couple AIs and had been part of the panel for 13 years. Cody let him off. The bitterness remains on Carter's part apparently.
Difference was that Kilkenny were winning AIs and the year Charlie huffed they won again. And have been winning since. Cody is tough and beyond reproach. One of the all time great hurlers, Tommy Walsh, didn t get any time in AL finals this year either. Rough. But Kilkenny won so Cody can be as callous as he wants.
That s a big difference. We re not Kilkenny. Sure Horan got so much right, and as I said already I was not Conoreen's biggest fan. But I have to say I was disappointed with some of the acts that Horan considered better for Mayo than Mort.
Maybe he just wanted rid of him than the trouble of integrating him into his vision of what he wanted to do. That s is not necessarily good management. It s a cop out. How much effort did Horan make to get Conoreen to integrate. I m sure that's in the book.
Bottom line - if Horan had won an AI (and there s an opinion out there that he would have if he had a bit more in the forwards) Conoreen would be 'Conor Who?' already. But he didn't and therefore Conoreen will always be a bogey man hanging over Horan's tenure. As if Mayo football needs any more introspection. But we bring a lot of this angst on ourselves.
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Post by: maigheo on November 11, 2014, 03:45:10 AM
Listened to Mort on Rte  yesterday and he does say that when he called Horan to tell him he was quitting the panel he spent an hour on the phone with him trying to talk him out of it and Horan also called him the following day to see could he change his mind.What ever chance Mort had of coming back I would say the letter from the family to Madwest was the final straw.Horan seemed very annoyed after the Connacht final about it as he claimed it contained a lot of untruths and he was never going to bring him back after that.
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Post by: muppet on November 11, 2014, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 11, 2014, 03:45:10 AM
Listened to Mort on Rte  yesterday and he does say that when he called Horan to tell him he was quitting the panel he spent an hour on the phone with him trying to talk him out of it and Horan also called him the following day to see could he change his mind.What ever chance Mort had of coming back I would say the letter from the family to Madwest was the final straw.Horan seemed very annoyed after the Connacht final about it as he claimed it contained a lot of untruths and he was never going to bring him back after that.

IIRC two players quit the panel that week.

Mort, quite publicly, before the Connacht Final, and Robert Hennelly left, quietly, after the Connacht. The latter did it the right way, certainly didn't burn his bridges and has been rewarded by Horan with the number 1 jersey. I would have disagreed with Horan about not starting Mort, but I would have agreed with Horan on leaving him out after the way Mort left the panel.

I would like to see a player of Mort's ability return, but I do believe he should apologise to the squad.
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Post by: moysider on November 11, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 11, 2014, 03:45:10 AM
Listened to Mort on Rte  yesterday and he does say that when he called Horan to tell him he was quitting the panel he spent an hour on the phone with him trying to talk him out of it and Horan also called him the following day to see could he change his mind.What ever chance Mort had of coming back I would say the letter from the family to Madwest was the final straw.Horan seemed very annoyed after the Connacht final about it as he claimed it contained a lot of untruths and he was never going to bring him back after that.

Fair play to Horan for making those calls. He could not have done any more and it certainly sounds like Mort was intent on cutting off his nose to spite his face. That stupid letter put the kibosh on any chance of a return.
Hard to see him come back into the reckoning. Gone a long time and at 32 pushing 33 next Summer he s bound to have lost a bit of the old dash. Without that I can t imagine him competing with the top defenders.
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Post by: IolarCoisCuain on November 11, 2014, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 11, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 11, 2014, 03:45:10 AM
Listened to Mort on Rte  yesterday and he does say that when he called Horan to tell him he was quitting the panel he spent an hour on the phone with him trying to talk him out of it and Horan also called him the following day to see could he change his mind.What ever chance Mort had of coming back I would say the letter from the family to Madwest was the final straw.Horan seemed very annoyed after the Connacht final about it as he claimed it contained a lot of untruths and he was never going to bring him back after that.

Fair play to Horan for making those calls. He could not have done any more and it certainly sounds like Mort was intent on cutting off his nose to spite his face. That stupid letter put the kibosh on any chance of a return.
Hard to see him come back into the reckoning. Gone a long time and at 32 pushing 33 next Summer he s bound to have lost a bit of the old dash. Without that I can t imagine him competing with the top defenders.

In his book, Conor says that he was disappointed with that letter. He knew nothing about it until he saw it in the paper. Thought it made him look like he'd gone crying to Mammy.

He then goes on to quote the letter in his book. Every single word of it.
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Post by: moysider on November 11, 2014, 08:35:37 PM

As you say, he's not very consistent, is he?
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Post by: From the Bunker on November 11, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
From reading bits and pieces here and there. Conor had a rush of blood when making his decision to jump ship. He was lacking good advice at the time. Not that I know Trevor, but if he had still been on the panel, he may have talked him around and lulled the situation.
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Post by: moysider on November 11, 2014, 11:49:35 PM
Maybe, but I doubt it.

The young buck always had a spirit and confidence about himself. For somebody his size he needed that to survive at the level he did - let alone prosper!

But was he handled well early years? I doubt it. He boarded in St. Mary's and then Jarlath's came in for him. He would have been indulged like many a Mayo lad before in the hope of landing a Hogan Cup. Nurtured and developed? Not a chance.

In '99 he was dropped off the Mayo minor panel. The manager at the time was JP Keane. Keane did not do the dropping. Joe McCabe - the coach- did after the young lad had a 'difference of opinion' with another member of the management.

Mayo got to final and of course Mort's absence was seen by many as a reason we lost. Joe - a very good coach - was never asked back after standing up to the young buck.

Wonder how he spun that in the book?
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Post by: maigheo on November 12, 2014, 01:56:29 AM
Remember going to see a Mayo u21 b final between Shrule and burrishoule specifically to see Mort.I did not know exactly what he looked like.Was very impressed with the no 15 for shrule who was showing for the ball constantly and was knocking over scores.So for the first half I figured Mort was  no 15.Meanwhile the no 13 barley moved all game but kicked about 4 super points from play.Of course Mark Ronaldson was 15 and Mort no 13.Remember  having mixed feelings about Mort as his work rate was zero but he still was able to kick 4 excellent points from play.All in all he still had a pretty decent career for Mayo but for some reason I always thought that he would have been much better,probably from all the hype that surrounded him from his time at Jarlaths
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 12, 2014, 01:42:42 PM

Conoreen only spent 1 year in Jarlath's iirc.

He was a St. Nary's boy. He d have been as well off if he stayed in Headford with Peter Forde.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on November 12, 2014, 11:17:09 PM
I do recall he scored something like 3.02 in an all ireland semifinal with Jarlaths and Kevin Mcstay mentioning  it in his column for the Mayo news.He said that Mort was as near certain to be the next superstar in gaelic football.Wonder why he started out in Marys when Trevor and Kenneth previously went to Jarlaths?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on November 13, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
because Trevor was always his own man  and never hid his personality.
I suspect the real reason Horan got rid of him ( what ever the mechanics were) was Cillian o connor .
Mort was essential as a free taker  for mayo for years and probably was the top close range  free taker in the country for most of that period, but was not a slogger along horans taste . why else would you he have picked Conroy Carolan campbell ect before him .
@Maigheo
i have alway considered Ronaldson one of a long list of lost talents for mayo . our most skilful player since Mcdonald and what did Horan do play him way out of position as a Mark Mchugh type player and then drop him. What age is he now ? is it too late?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: galwayman on November 13, 2014, 11:26:05 AM
QuoteWonder why he started out in Marys when Trevor and Kenneth previously went to Jarlaths?

Trevor went to Marys first as well. he only transferred to Jarlaths later on. In fifth year or leaving cert not sure which.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 13, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 13, 2014, 11:26:05 AM
QuoteWonder why he started out in Marys when Trevor and Kenneth previously went to Jarlaths?

Trevor went to Marys first as well. he only transferred to Jarlaths later on. In fifth year or leaving cert not sure which.

Correct. Trevor was in Mary's as well.
Around about the time there was a bit a trouble involving a minister's son.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on November 13, 2014, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 13, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
because Trevor was always his own man  and never hid his personality.
I suspect the real reason Horan got rid of him ( what ever the mechanics were) was Cillian o connor .
Mort was essential as a free taker  for mayo for years and probably was the top close range  free taker in the country for most of that period, but was not a slogger along horans taste . why else would you he have picked Conroy Carolan campbell ect before him .
@Maigheo
i have alway considered Ronaldson one of a long list of lost talents for mayo . our most skilful player since Mcdonald and what did Horan do play him way out of position as a Mark Mchugh type player and then drop him. What age is he now ? is it too late?

He played minor with Keith Higgins.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 14, 2014, 12:34:19 AM

U21 2006.

So he s 28/29 next year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on November 14, 2014, 09:29:23 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 13, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
because Trevor was always his own man  and never hid his personality.
I suspect the real reason Horan got rid of him ( what ever the mechanics were) was Cillian o connor .
Mort was essential as a free taker  for mayo for years and probably was the top close range  free taker in the country for most of that period, but was not a slogger along horans taste . why else would you he have picked Conroy Carolan campbell ect before him .
@Maigheo
i have alway considered Ronaldson one of a long list of lost talents for mayo . our most skilful player since Mcdonald and what did Horan do play him way out of position as a Mark Mchugh type player and then drop him. What age is he now ? is it too late?

Was it not the newly crowned king of the internet/broadband/mobile phone covereage oireachtas committee JO'M who played Ronaldson as a sweeper in 2009/2010?

I think Horan felt in his mind he could only have one small skillful corner man and went for Mortimer due to his scoring record but personally I would have gone for Ronaldson if I was forced to pick one or the other. Ronaldson was not only skillful but would take on the hard scores under real pressure like the points he fired over when the U21 final in 2006 was in the melting pot.I hope he gets a shot under the new management.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 14, 2014, 10:36:53 PM
i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Andy or Alan. Way I see it it's up to the guys who are sitting on the bench or looking in from the panel to displace the current players on merit. Nobody should get a automatic right of passage
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again

Ronaldson - I think it was Johnno who used Ronaldson as some kind of water carrier alright.
The Johnno era was a disaster. The fact that Horan got us to touching distance of the summit after that disaster is one of the greatest feats in GAA management history.

Ronaldson was still involved under Horan s first spring. I was at a couple of those FBD games and he played well.

But he got beat up by Marc O Sé in the League match and don t think he was in the picture after. That s the way it goes. A year later Enda Varley got the mother and father of a doin in Ballyshannon but stayed in the picture. I d have always had Ronaldson before some who were favoured but that s the way it goes it seems. Everybody sees things differently.

You mention;  Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor.

I can t fathom what happened Gallagher after the start he made last spring. If he doesn t come through God help us.
Disappointing that Coen could not be used when things got serious after being in the panel for a while. Was he injured August?
They used to use Douglas as a sub for Ronaldson. Like for like? I d rate Ronaldson higher.
Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get back to form after that injury. He was always about guile and technique rather than pace.
O Shea and Diarmuid O Connor have to be nurtured but I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to start them v Roscommon in championship?


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again

Ronaldson - I think it was Johnno who used Ronaldson as some kind of water carrier alright.
The Johnno era was a disaster. The fact that Horan got us to touching distance of the summit after that disaster is one of the greatest feats in GAA management history.

Ronaldson was still involved under Horan s first spring. I was at a couple of those FBD games and he played well.

But he got beat up by Marc O Sé in the League match and don t think he was in the picture after. That s the way it goes. A year later Enda Varley got the mother and father of a doin in Ballyshannon but stayed in the picture. I d have always had Ronaldson before some who were favoured but that s the way it goes it seems. Everybody sees things differently.

You mention;  Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor.

I can t fathom what happened Gallagher after the start he made last spring. If he doesn t come through God help us.
Disappointing that Coen could not be used when things got serious after being in the panel for a while. Was he injured August?
They used to use Douglas as a sub for Ronaldson. Like for like? I d rate Ronaldson higher.
Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get back to form after that injury. He was always about guile and technique rather than pace.
O Shea and Diarmuid O Connor have to be nurtured but I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to start them v Roscommon in championship?

I can understand why both O'Shea and O'Connor were thrown in. Both are big physical guys who will develop further as they get older and that's simply the level inter county GAA is at right now.   

Many of those other guys mentioned are simply too small or too slow to cut in at the business end of the Inter county season.

E.g. imo both Ronalsdson and Varley and are both good enough for FBD and probably League but on a fast pitch against big physical backs they are caught out. Same with Gallagher I thought. Good enough for League (early rounds maybe) but not good enough yet anyway for competing with the likes of other Provincial champions. Not sure he has the pace either. Maybe he could develop into a Brian Dooher or a Donnachadh Walsh but he needs a lot of physical conditioning to get to that level.

Darren Coen has been a bit of  a disapoinment that he has not seemed to developed after being part of the panel now for a few years.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 16, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again

Ronaldson - I think it was Johnno who used Ronaldson as some kind of water carrier alright.
The Johnno era was a disaster. The fact that Horan got us to touching distance of the summit after that disaster is one of the greatest feats in GAA management history.

Ronaldson was still involved under Horan s first spring. I was at a couple of those FBD games and he played well.

But he got beat up by Marc O Sé in the League match and don t think he was in the picture after. That s the way it goes. A year later Enda Varley got the mother and father of a doin in Ballyshannon but stayed in the picture. I d have always had Ronaldson before some who were favoured but that s the way it goes it seems. Everybody sees things differently.

You mention;  Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor.

I can t fathom what happened Gallagher after the start he made last spring. If he doesn t come through God help us.
Disappointing that Coen could not be used when things got serious after being in the panel for a while. Was he injured August?
They used to use Douglas as a sub for Ronaldson. Like for like? I d rate Ronaldson higher.
Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get back to form after that injury. He was always about guile and technique rather than pace.
O Shea and Diarmuid O Connor have to be nurtured but I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to start them v Roscommon in championship?

I can understand why both O'Shea and O'Connor were thrown in. Both are big physical guys who will develop further as they get older and that's simply the level inter county GAA is at right now.   

Many of those other guys mentioned are simply too small or too slow to cut in at the business end of the Inter county season.

E.g. imo both Ronalsdson and Varley and are both good enough for FBD and probably League but on a fast pitch against big physical backs they are caught out. Same with Gallagher I thought. Good enough for League (early rounds maybe) but not good enough yet anyway for competing with the likes of other Provincial champions. Not sure he has the pace either. Maybe he could develop into a Brian Dooher or a Donnachadh Walsh but he needs a lot of physical conditioning to get to that level.

Darren Coen has been a bit of  a disapoinment that he has not seemed to developed after being part of the panel now for a few years.

Hopefully they will develop further ( I must say I ve been impressed by O Connor in recent games for 'tuber). But the point is they hardly figured in league last year. They had their hands full in U21. They were way undercooked for Roscommon game and were not used again. Playing them only seemed to serve ruling them out for later. We ended up with guys in the panel that couldn t be used while Kerry's subs got them over the line in Limerick imo.

Gallagher has always had a serious engine and he s no slouch either. Didn t think Gallagher suffered from lack of size in matches I saw him in. Well able for it until somebody had the bright idea to play him in ff line ::)

Coen seems to lack the urgency. Quality but needs more bite. Is it in him? Same as Irwin. Talented but ?? over pace and aggression imo.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on November 16, 2014, 10:19:28 PM
Gallagher looked the part in the early league games, would have been good to see him in the summer against top opposition. He's def one the new management should be looking to to freshen things up
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 16, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
What about Brendan Murray? He's on fire at the moment, or is he going to be disregarded because he's from Ballina? He was the differrence between Ballina winning and us losing today anyway. Any opinions from the Ballina contingent here?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 16, 2014, 11:09:41 PM

Haven t seen a lot of club lately. Brendan would be a late developer. Big rangy lad and can kick a score. Worth keeping an eye on for sure.

Hard to know how to go about evaluating lads playing club, even at senior level. Knockmore and Ballina are well off vintage at the moment. Ballina should be better than what they have been at the last few years. Apart from 'tuber match Knockmore have held up well considering the quality players they've lost.

What about Murray impressed you 'deelin?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 16, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again

Ronaldson - I think it was Johnno who used Ronaldson as some kind of water carrier alright.
The Johnno era was a disaster. The fact that Horan got us to touching distance of the summit after that disaster is one of the greatest feats in GAA management history.

Ronaldson was still involved under Horan s first spring. I was at a couple of those FBD games and he played well.

But he got beat up by Marc O Sé in the League match and don t think he was in the picture after. That s the way it goes. A year later Enda Varley got the mother and father of a doin in Ballyshannon but stayed in the picture. I d have always had Ronaldson before some who were favoured but that s the way it goes it seems. Everybody sees things differently.

You mention;  Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor.

I can t fathom what happened Gallagher after the start he made last spring. If he doesn t come through God help us.
Disappointing that Coen could not be used when things got serious after being in the panel for a while. Was he injured August?
They used to use Douglas as a sub for Ronaldson. Like for like? I d rate Ronaldson higher.
Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get back to form after that injury. He was always about guile and technique rather than pace.
O Shea and Diarmuid O Connor have to be nurtured but I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to start them v Roscommon in championship?

I can understand why both O'Shea and O'Connor were thrown in. Both are big physical guys who will develop further as they get older and that's simply the level inter county GAA is at right now.   

Many of those other guys mentioned are simply too small or too slow to cut in at the business end of the Inter county season.

E.g. imo both Ronalsdson and Varley and are both good enough for FBD and probably League but on a fast pitch against big physical backs they are caught out. Same with Gallagher I thought. Good enough for League (early rounds maybe) but not good enough yet anyway for competing with the likes of other Provincial champions. Not sure he has the pace either. Maybe he could develop into a Brian Dooher or a Donnachadh Walsh but he needs a lot of physical conditioning to get to that level.

Darren Coen has been a bit of  a disapoinment that he has not seemed to developed after being part of the panel now for a few years.

Hopefully they will develop further ( I must say I ve been impressed by O Connor in recent games for 'tuber). But the point is they hardly figured in league last year. They had their hands full in U21. They were way undercooked for Roscommon game and were not used again. Playing them only seemed to serve ruling them out for later. We ended up with guys in the panel that couldn t be used while Kerry's subs got them over the line in Limerick imo.

Gallagher has always had a serious engine and he s no slouch either. Didn t think Gallagher suffered from lack of size in matches I saw him in. Well able for it until somebody had the bright idea to play him in ff line ::)

Coen seems to lack the urgency. Quality but needs more bite. Is it in him? Same as Irwin. Talented but ?? over pace and aggression imo.

I dunno can you take the second Kerry game as a good example. First of all let's be honest and we left it behind the in the first day in Croker. Then we had guys who only had a week to recover along with playing against the ref for 90 minutes.

I know Kerry had only a week as well but they hadn't been in the previous 2 finals not to mention the Castlebar contingent playing for nearly over 2 years consecutively  without a break because of the Club requirements.

Also I wouldn't agree O'Connor and O'Shea were undercooked. Maybe they seemed like that but at the end of the day offering 2 younger fringe guys their opportunity to play from the start in their first championship game against the likes of Ros should have been motivation on it's own to focus them and get them set for battle.

The alternative would be like throwing them in against lesser teams half-way through the second half when most games were or might have been already decided. the problem with that is that they look ok but learn nothing. And when push comes to shove those new don't really know or have what it takes to change games in a tight match.

Bottom line I think the exposure will stand to them. they know now the hits they will get at the start of the championship from a big physical team on their own patch. 

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 16, 2014, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 16, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again

Ronaldson - I think it was Johnno who used Ronaldson as some kind of water carrier alright.
The Johnno era was a disaster. The fact that Horan got us to touching distance of the summit after that disaster is one of the greatest feats in GAA management history.

Ronaldson was still involved under Horan s first spring. I was at a couple of those FBD games and he played well.

But he got beat up by Marc O Sé in the League match and don t think he was in the picture after. That s the way it goes. A year later Enda Varley got the mother and father of a doin in Ballyshannon but stayed in the picture. I d have always had Ronaldson before some who were favoured but that s the way it goes it seems. Everybody sees things differently.

You mention;  Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor.

I can t fathom what happened Gallagher after the start he made last spring. If he doesn t come through God help us.
Disappointing that Coen could not be used when things got serious after being in the panel for a while. Was he injured August?
They used to use Douglas as a sub for Ronaldson. Like for like? I d rate Ronaldson higher.
Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get back to form after that injury. He was always about guile and technique rather than pace.
O Shea and Diarmuid O Connor have to be nurtured but I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to start them v Roscommon in championship?

I can understand why both O'Shea and O'Connor were thrown in. Both are big physical guys who will develop further as they get older and that's simply the level inter county GAA is at right now.   

Many of those other guys mentioned are simply too small or too slow to cut in at the business end of the Inter county season.

E.g. imo both Ronalsdson and Varley and are both good enough for FBD and probably League but on a fast pitch against big physical backs they are caught out. Same with Gallagher I thought. Good enough for League (early rounds maybe) but not good enough yet anyway for competing with the likes of other Provincial champions. Not sure he has the pace either. Maybe he could develop into a Brian Dooher or a Donnachadh Walsh but he needs a lot of physical conditioning to get to that level.

Darren Coen has been a bit of  a disapoinment that he has not seemed to developed after being part of the panel now for a few years.

Hopefully they will develop further ( I must say I ve been impressed by O Connor in recent games for 'tuber). But the point is they hardly figured in league last year. They had their hands full in U21. They were way undercooked for Roscommon game and were not used again. Playing them only seemed to serve ruling them out for later. We ended up with guys in the panel that couldn t be used while Kerry's subs got them over the line in Limerick imo.

Gallagher has always had a serious engine and he s no slouch either. Didn t think Gallagher suffered from lack of size in matches I saw him in. Well able for it until somebody had the bright idea to play him in ff line ::)

Coen seems to lack the urgency. Quality but needs more bite. Is it in him? Same as Irwin. Talented but ?? over pace and aggression imo.

I dunno can you take the second Kerry game as a good example. First of all let's be honest and we left it behind the in the first day in Croker. Then we had guys who only had a week to recover along with playing against the ref for 90 minutes.

I know Kerry had only a week as well but they hadn't been in the previous 2 finals not to mention the Castlebar contingent playing for nearly over 2 years consecutively  without a break because of the Club requirements.

Also I wouldn't agree O'Connor and O'Shea were undercooked. Maybe they seemed like that but at the end of the day offering 2 younger fringe guys their opportunity to play from the start in their first championship game against the likes of Ros should have been motivation on it's own to focus them and get them set for battle.

The alternative would be like throwing them in against lesser teams half-way through the second half when most games were or might have been already decided. the problem with that is that they look ok but learn nothing. And when push comes to shove those new don't really know or have what it takes to change games in a tight match.

Bottom line I think the exposure will stand to them. they know now the hits they will get at the start of the championship from a big physical team on their own patch.

Tbh I don t think that exposure against Ros. will matter much down the road. Anyway it was not about them.
Horan was in his fourth year and an AI was the bottom line. He ended up with a panel in which 4 of the forwards could not be used when it came to an AI semi final. The 2 lads were 2 of them. They were not near ready.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 16, 2014, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 16, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 16, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 14, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
could have been JOM alright all I remember was raging seeing Ronaldson working like a  mary o rourke in midfield in a wet league game when as ever we had a severe shortage of intellegent  forwards.
i reckon Forward line could come in for a major reshuffle esp if as likely Dillion and and ansy will no longer be staters the Like of Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor , maybe a few more of the minor class of 2013 . i would love to see carolan get another go as his work rate  would be a huge asset even if he would score too much,
Who know the boy might even persuade the rumor that is Evan regan to tog out now and again

Ronaldson - I think it was Johnno who used Ronaldson as some kind of water carrier alright.
The Johnno era was a disaster. The fact that Horan got us to touching distance of the summit after that disaster is one of the greatest feats in GAA management history.

Ronaldson was still involved under Horan s first spring. I was at a couple of those FBD games and he played well.

But he got beat up by Marc O Sé in the League match and don t think he was in the picture after. That s the way it goes. A year later Enda Varley got the mother and father of a doin in Ballyshannon but stayed in the picture. I d have always had Ronaldson before some who were favoured but that s the way it goes it seems. Everybody sees things differently.

You mention;  Ronadson, Adam gallagher , coen , douglas ,Conor O'Shea , C freem and D oconnor.

I can t fathom what happened Gallagher after the start he made last spring. If he doesn t come through God help us.
Disappointing that Coen could not be used when things got serious after being in the panel for a while. Was he injured August?
They used to use Douglas as a sub for Ronaldson. Like for like? I d rate Ronaldson higher.
Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get back to form after that injury. He was always about guile and technique rather than pace.
O Shea and Diarmuid O Connor have to be nurtured but I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to start them v Roscommon in championship?

I can understand why both O'Shea and O'Connor were thrown in. Both are big physical guys who will develop further as they get older and that's simply the level inter county GAA is at right now.   

Many of those other guys mentioned are simply too small or too slow to cut in at the business end of the Inter county season.

E.g. imo both Ronalsdson and Varley and are both good enough for FBD and probably League but on a fast pitch against big physical backs they are caught out. Same with Gallagher I thought. Good enough for League (early rounds maybe) but not good enough yet anyway for competing with the likes of other Provincial champions. Not sure he has the pace either. Maybe he could develop into a Brian Dooher or a Donnachadh Walsh but he needs a lot of physical conditioning to get to that level.

Darren Coen has been a bit of  a disapoinment that he has not seemed to developed after being part of the panel now for a few years.

Hopefully they will develop further ( I must say I ve been impressed by O Connor in recent games for 'tuber). But the point is they hardly figured in league last year. They had their hands full in U21. They were way undercooked for Roscommon game and were not used again. Playing them only seemed to serve ruling them out for later. We ended up with guys in the panel that couldn t be used while Kerry's subs got them over the line in Limerick imo.

Gallagher has always had a serious engine and he s no slouch either. Didn t think Gallagher suffered from lack of size in matches I saw him in. Well able for it until somebody had the bright idea to play him in ff line ::)

Coen seems to lack the urgency. Quality but needs more bite. Is it in him? Same as Irwin. Talented but ?? over pace and aggression imo.

I dunno can you take the second Kerry game as a good example. First of all let's be honest and we left it behind the in the first day in Croker. Then we had guys who only had a week to recover along with playing against the ref for 90 minutes.

I know Kerry had only a week as well but they hadn't been in the previous 2 finals not to mention the Castlebar contingent playing for nearly over 2 years consecutively  without a break because of the Club requirements.

Also I wouldn't agree O'Connor and O'Shea were undercooked. Maybe they seemed like that but at the end of the day offering 2 younger fringe guys their opportunity to play from the start in their first championship game against the likes of Ros should have been motivation on it's own to focus them and get them set for battle.

The alternative would be like throwing them in against lesser teams half-way through the second half when most games were or might have been already decided. the problem with that is that they look ok but learn nothing. And when push comes to shove those new don't really know or have what it takes to change games in a tight match.

Bottom line I think the exposure will stand to them. they know now the hits they will get at the start of the championship from a big physical team on their own patch.

Tbh I don t think that exposure against Ros. will matter much down the road. Anyway it was not about them.
Horan was in his fourth year and an AI was the bottom line. He ended up with a panel in which 4 of the forwards could not be used when it came to an AI semi final. The 2 lads were 2 of them. They were not near ready.

Fair enough. But at the end of the day only 5 subs can come on. For instance Harrison came on in that replay but I thought he was reasonably  beaten when up against Barry John Keane. Not his fault - just not good enough yet at that level in my opinion. But he had looked a stand out find from last years League.

Point is I don't think that Gallagher or others new guys who did come into the panel in 2012/13 would have been any better.  Too soon for them and that's one of the things maybe Horan found out when he tried and played O'Connor and O'Shea against Ros. So he went back to what he believed were his strongest and most reliable guys to try and dig it out. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on November 17, 2014, 12:20:58 AM

That s the thing. The reliable guys all ended up having to be started and we had no back-up. I m talking about forwards. Kerry had unexceptional lads (not talking about Donaghy!) who came in and could put in a shift in the forwards when push came to shove.
Horan could have had a better forward bench but he did his thing. That s why Kerry win a soft AI (for them) and we can t ever win one.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on November 17, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
what is the Story on Evan Regan at the moment is he in college or even in the country  ?  was he given one of the special programs to work on?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 17, 2014, 04:49:21 PM
He had a decent game for Ballina yesterday for their u21s. He is stylish no doubt, but has he got what you'd call 'appetite for hard graft' it's hard to know.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 17, 2014, 06:51:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 17, 2014, 04:49:21 PM
He had a decent game for Ballina yesterday for their u21s. He is stylish no doubt, but has he got what you'd call 'appetite for hard graft' it's hard to know.

I assume he's one of the guys being targeted in this strength and conditioning 20 that we have heard about. He's very young yet though to make a breakthrough to inter county Senior. Unless he's awful good.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 17, 2014, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 17, 2014, 12:20:58 AM

That s the thing. The reliable guys all ended up having to be started and we had no back-up. I m talking about forwards. Kerry had unexceptional lads (not talking about Donaghy!) who came in and could put in a shift in the forwards when push came to shove.
Horan could have had a better forward bench but he did his thing. That s why Kerry win a soft AI (for them) and we can t ever win one.

Fair enough again. Kerry had the Geaneys both starting and kept the likes of Declan O'Sullivan and Sheehan in reserve. But i don't think that game should be taken as a yardstick to gauge how good Kerry's fw line is. We had Feeney, Conroy and Freeman who you could argue had just as much experience of playing in big games as any of the Kerry guys.

It was just not good enough that day but they had lots of things in their favour.
TBH overall I think Dublin missed the boat big time. They would have hockeyed that Kerry team I think. And even Donegal blew it. Poor tactics in the final cost them.

Sad fact is that it will be a different Kerry team next year.

FW line of

1/2 fw line of Darren O'Sullivan, Cooper and Donachadh Walsh
FF line of O'Donoghue, Donaghy and Tommy Walsh
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on November 17, 2014, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 17, 2014, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 17, 2014, 12:20:58 AM

That s the thing. The reliable guys all ended up having to be started and we had no back-up. I m talking about forwards. Kerry had unexceptional lads (not talking about Donaghy!) who came in and could put in a shift in the forwards when push came to shove.
Horan could have had a better forward bench but he did his thing. That s why Kerry win a soft AI (for them) and we can t ever win one.

Fair enough again. Kerry had the Geaneys both starting and kept the likes of Declan O'Sullivan and Sheehan in reserve. But i don't think that game should be taken as a yardstick to gauge how good Kerry's fw line is. We had Feeney, Conroy and Freeman who you could argue had just as much experience of playing in big games as any of the Kerry guys.

It was just not good enough that day but they had lots of things in their favour.
TBH overall I think Dublin missed the boat big time. They would have hockeyed that Kerry team I think. And even Donegal blew it. Poor tactics in the final cost them.

Sad fact is that it will be a different Kerry team next year.

FW line of

1/2 fw line of Darren O'Sullivan, Cooper and Donachadh Walsh
FF line of O'Donoghue, Donaghy and Tommy Walsh

I would read absolutely nothing from the game in Limerick. There are always factors one has to overcome when trying to beat any Kerry team. If you add in any other factors in their favour, you are shagged!

As for the half forward line and full forward line, the 4 boys were Top class in 2009! Six years ago. Hard to see them produce that level again? Then again I was wrong about Donaghy this year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on November 28, 2014, 12:15:18 PM
Any word yet on who these 20 guys mentioned by P&N are for strength and conditioning programmes?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Champ15 on December 17, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 28, 2014, 12:15:18 PM
Any word yet on who these 20 guys mentioned by P&N are for strength and conditioning programmes?

From Ballina you have Regan and Alex Corduff.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 17, 2014, 02:21:15 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on December 17, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on November 28, 2014, 12:15:18 PM
Any word yet on who these 20 guys mentioned by P&N are for strength and conditioning programmes?

From Ballina you have Regan and Alex Corduff.

From Castlebar I would hope Patrick Durkin and Danny Kirby are part of the twenty.

Hopefully some of the minors from last year are in as well.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on December 22, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Is there any reason for the 20 lads not to be named , what is the benefit in the hush hush ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on December 22, 2014, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 22, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Is there any reason for the 20 lads not to be named , what is the benefit in the hush hush ?

You could make the counter argument - what's the benefit in naming them?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on March 04, 2015, 10:02:33 PM
Panel is supposed to be cut back to 32. Currently at 39 by my count
Here are the 39 I count currently left. (I read somewhere it might be down to 37 so this might not be accurate either)

Goalkeepers   Hennelly      Clarke      O'Malley                  
FB line      Harrisson      Higgins      Barrett      Keane      Cafferkey           Cunniffe         M Hall      
HB Line      Keegan      Boyle           P. Durcan           S. Coen      Drake      McHale         
MF              SOS         Parsons      B Moran      Vaughan      D Kirby      J Gibbons          COShea         
HF              KMcL      AOS      D O Connor   R Feeney           A Dillon           Jason Doc   C Carolan      N Douglas   M Forde
FF              Sweeney      Ronaldson   C O Connor   A. Freeman   A Moran      M Conroy            E. Regan

Possibles to cut .....
Drake,  Hall,  Kirby,  Douglas,  Forde,  Regan,  S Mchale,  R Feeney,  M Sweeney, C OShea, A Dillon, Carolan

Personally I would have thought that we would need a panel of around 40 to maintain during a season. I read that the reason for the culling might be financial issues although you would think that with a brother on the management team and another a senior member on the CB that they would be doing everything possible to give this group every opportunity.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on March 08, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
According to Noel Connelly on Mid West Cillian O'Connor took a knock and will be out of the match next weekend. On the positives he said that Evan Regan and Tom Parsons should be back in 2 weeks or so. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on April 15, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
Was just reading this last night, WTF is the county chairman doing going to Portugal on a TEAM training trip??

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&catid=14&Itemid=100008)

And €10k / week to train the team is savage money  :o

Apart from that they mention that David Kenny from Aghamore and Conor Loftus from Crossmolina have gone out - presumably that means they're part of the panel now? Loftus looked handy as a minor - what's Kenny like?

They also mentioned Darren McHugh in the article - I believe he's a back but don't think I've ever seen him play
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on April 15, 2015, 09:39:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 15, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
Was just reading this last night, WTF is the county chairman doing going to Portugal on a TEAM training trip??

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&catid=14&Itemid=100008)

And €10k / week to train the team is savage money  :o

Apart from that they mention that David Kenny from Aghamore and Conor Loftus from Crossmolina have gone out - presumably that means they're part of the panel now? Loftus looked handy as a minor - what's Kenny like?

They also mentioned Darren McHugh in the article - I believe he's a back but don't think I've ever seen him play

I thought that odd as well about the CB Chairman going on a training trip!
But he is doubling up as the team liaison officer to the County Board (reporting to himself??), so maybe he's there in that capacity!?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 15, 2015, 09:45:31 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 15, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
Was just reading this last night, WTF is the county chairman doing going to Portugal on a TEAM training trip??

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&catid=14&Itemid=100008)

And €10k / week to train the team is savage money  :o

Apart from that they mention that David Kenny from Aghamore and Conor Loftus from Crossmolina have gone out - presumably that means they're part of the panel now? Loftus looked handy as a minor - what's Kenny like?

They also mentioned Darren McHugh in the article - I believe he's a back but don't think I've ever seen him play

Apparently he is the liaison between the squad and the CB.

I am serious.

Also he mentioned the great support in recent games, which is fair enough, but somehow this appears to be down to Cáirde Mhaigh Eó and the ticket schemes. Presumably it has nothing to do with supporters at all.

In other news, the Judge in the Sean Bán Fitzpatrick Trial has denied any conflict of interest, in a statement Justice Sean Bán Fitzpatrick said 'I can simply change hats, see, no conflict. If any issue arises I will simply have a serious talk with myself'. *

* NB: May not be true for the sarcastically challenged.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
without knowing him, as long as he does not stick his nose too deep into training camp. he should go. He is after all putting a ton of time into the job.

Not a defense but factual from a time standpoint.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 15, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
without knowing him, as long as he does not stick his nose too deep into training camp. he should go. He is after all putting a ton of time into the job.

Not a defense but factual from a time standpoint.

He may be the nicest most capable man in Mayo. I have never met the guy and genuinely I know nothing about him.

However he was Chairman of the CB (I understand he absented himself from the meetings) when a member of that committee prematurely intervened in the process in favour of the former's brother. This caused uproar and looked shabby at best. Of course while they admitted things were 'clumsy', they blamed the media for blowing things all out of proportion.

Now I understand he is the liaison between the squad his brother is joint manager of, as a result of the aforementioned 'clumsy' process and the committee of which he is chairman, the same committee involved in that 'clumsy' process.

Now imagine if a serious problem develops between a player or players, or worse again the entire squad and the CB or even the joint managers. Who do they go to?

Conflict of interests everywhere!

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 15, 2015, 04:54:37 PM
Just to put a link to where I read this: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&amp;catid=14&amp;Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=21772:mayo-jet-out-to-portugal-for-training-camp&amp;catid=14&amp;Itemid=100008)

....The team management of Noel Connelly, Pat Holmes and Micheál Collins, coach Donie Buckley, strength and conditioning coach Barry Solan, two physios and a kit-man are also in the travelling party, along with Mayo GAA Chairman, Mike Connelly, who also serves as the team's liasion officer with the County Board.....

This was the other comment:

....Connelly also paid tribute to the "absolutely unbelievable" support that the Mayo team had got at both their home and away matches during the spring.
"One of the biggest things that struck me about the league was the support the team got.
"We went to Kerry, Derry and Cork and we had more support at those games than the home teams. That says something about our supporters.
"It also goes to show just how popular and successful that the Croke Park Season Ticket and Cáirde Mhaigheo Season Ticket has been," he concluded
.....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 15, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
without knowing him, as long as he does not stick his nose too deep into training camp. he should go. He is after all putting a ton of time into the job.

Not a defense but factual from a time standpoint.

He may be the nicest most capable man in Mayo. I have never met the guy and genuinely I know nothing about him.

However he was Chairman of the CB (I understand he absented himself from the meetings) when a member of that committee prematurely intervened in the process in favour of the former's brother. This caused uproar and looked shabby at best. Of course while they admitted things were 'clumsy', they blamed the media for blowing things all out of proportion.

Now I understand he is the liaison between the squad his brother is joint manager of, as a result of the aforementioned 'clumsy' process and the committee of which he is chairman, the same committee involved in that 'clumsy' process.

Now imagine if a serious problem develops between a player or players, or worse again the entire squad and the CB or even the joint managers. Who do they go to?

Conflict of interests everywhere!

Did not think he was in the chair, when decision on Mcstay went down. If he was, then a complete conflict.
Incidentally I would have preferred had McStay got the job. Nothing I have seen since has changed my mind on that one.

Not living in the country, the other comment on the attendance has kind of gone over my head.
I was bothered about his poorly thought comments on the "academy".
Not good L/T planning in place it seems.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 15, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 15, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
without knowing him, as long as he does not stick his nose too deep into training camp. he should go. He is after all putting a ton of time into the job.

Not a defense but factual from a time standpoint.

He may be the nicest most capable man in Mayo. I have never met the guy and genuinely I know nothing about him.

However he was Chairman of the CB (I understand he absented himself from the meetings) when a member of that committee prematurely intervened in the process in favour of the former's brother. This caused uproar and looked shabby at best. Of course while they admitted things were 'clumsy', they blamed the media for blowing things all out of proportion.

Now I understand he is the liaison between the squad his brother is joint manager of, as a result of the aforementioned 'clumsy' process and the committee of which he is chairman, the same committee involved in that 'clumsy' process.

Now imagine if a serious problem develops between a player or players, or worse again the entire squad and the CB or even the joint managers. Who do they go to?

Conflict of interests everywhere!

Did not think he was in the chair, when decision on Mcstay went down. If he was, then a complete conflict.
Incidentally I would have preferred had McStay got the job. Nothing I have seen since has changed my mind on that one.

Not living in the country, the other comment on the attendance has kind of gone over my head.
I was bothered about his poorly thought comments on the "academy".
Not good L/T planning in place it seems.

You may be right. Was he elected as a result of the previous man resigning over the controversy regarding the appointment process?

Here is the Mayo Gaa website dated 2013, which has him as Chairman, but I assume that it is wrong?

http://www.mayogaa.com/contentPage/18067/executive (http://www.mayogaa.com/contentPage/18067/executive)

EXECUTIVE   
Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eo 2013

Executive Position                 Name                 contact details
Uachtaran                          Jim Fleming     patfleming@upcmail.ie 
Chairman                           Mike Connolly     mconnolly@corriboil.com
Vice Chairman                  Seamus Tuohy   seamus.tuohy@hse.ie
Secretary                          Vincent Neary       secretary.mayo@gaa.ie
Assisant Secretary             Dermot Butler   dermotjbutler@gmail.com
Treasurer                          J.P. Lambe        jplambefam@eircom.net
Assistant Treasurer            Ger McHugh       gerry.mchugh@mail.ie
Public Relations Officer    Aiden McLoughlin         pro.mayo@gaa.ie
Central Council Delegate           Séan MacHale            seanmaceil@eircom.net
Connacht Council Delegate        Paddy McNicholas           mcnicholas96@eircom.net
Connacht Council Delegate        Gerry Bourke             gerardbourke50@yahoo.com
Youth Officer                      Padraig Walsh     walsh_padraic@allergan.com
Cultural Officer             James Gibbons   neiphin@hotmail.com
Development Officer                Willie Kelly   k.chrissk@hotmail.com
Coaching Officer                   Padraic Carolan         padraic.carolan@hse.ie
Hurling Board Chairman             John Hopkins             hopkinsjohn0@gmail.com
East Board Chairman                Vincent Walsh             clgbordoirthearmaigheo@eircom.net
North Board Chairman               Padraig Staunton        stauntonmp@eircom.net
South Board Chairman              Ger McHugh    gerry.mchugh@mail.ie
West Board Chairman               Michael Moran          mmorancarsales@eircom.net
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2015, 08:12:35 PM
Paddy McNicholas was Chairman last year when the whole fiasco was going on. The rest of them are up to date now I think. I don't agree with these training camps abroad, but each to their own. But I see in the Mayo News that he mentioned the players 'getting to know each other better'. What on Earth do they need to know each other better for? I thought they'd know each other well enough after the previous four years together. Maybe a bit away from the county will do them a bit of good. I hope they're not going to the training camp just for the sake of going to the training camp if the skills and plans aren't properly thought out. Believe you me, I'm not too happy with what I saw in a lot of the league games I've gone to. I don't think MacHale Park has it's advantage as a home ground for the league. Never thought it had either. That discussion is for another day I suppose.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on April 15, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 15, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 15, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
without knowing him, as long as he does not stick his nose too deep into training camp. he should go. He is after all putting a ton of time into the job.

Not a defense but factual from a time standpoint.

He may be the nicest most capable man in Mayo. I have never met the guy and genuinely I know nothing about him.

However he was Chairman of the CB (I understand he absented himself from the meetings) when a member of that committee prematurely intervened in the process in favour of the former's brother. This caused uproar and looked shabby at best. Of course while they admitted things were 'clumsy', they blamed the media for blowing things all out of proportion.

Now I understand he is the liaison between the squad his brother is joint manager of, as a result of the aforementioned 'clumsy' process and the committee of which he is chairman, the same committee involved in that 'clumsy' process.

Now imagine if a serious problem develops between a player or players, or worse again the entire squad and the CB or even the joint managers. Who do they go to?

Conflict of interests everywhere!

Did not think he was in the chair, when decision on Mcstay went down. If he was, then a complete conflict.
Incidentally I would have preferred had McStay got the job. Nothing I have seen since has changed my mind on that one.

Not living in the country, the other comment on the attendance has kind of gone over my head.
I was bothered about his poorly thought comments on the "academy".
Not good L/T planning in place it seems.

You may be right. Was he elected as a result of the previous man resigning over the controversy regarding the appointment process?

Here is the Mayo Gaa website dated 2013, which has him as Chairman, but I assume that it is wrong?

http://www.mayogaa.com/contentPage/18067/executive (http://www.mayogaa.com/contentPage/18067/executive)

EXECUTIVE   
Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eo 2013

Executive Position                 Name                 contact details
Uachtaran                          Jim Fleming     patfleming@upcmail.ie 
Chairman                           Mike Connolly     mconnolly@corriboil.com
Vice Chairman                  Seamus Tuohy   seamus.tuohy@hse.ie
Secretary                          Vincent Neary       secretary.mayo@gaa.ie
Assisant Secretary             Dermot Butler   dermotjbutler@gmail.com
Treasurer                          J.P. Lambe        jplambefam@eircom.net
Assistant Treasurer            Ger McHugh       gerry.mchugh@mail.ie
Public Relations Officer    Aiden McLoughlin         pro.mayo@gaa.ie
Central Council Delegate           Séan MacHale            seanmaceil@eircom.net
Connacht Council Delegate        Paddy McNicholas           mcnicholas96@eircom.net
Connacht Council Delegate        Gerry Bourke             gerardbourke50@yahoo.com
Youth Officer                      Padraig Walsh     walsh_padraic@allergan.com
Cultural Officer             James Gibbons   neiphin@hotmail.com
Development Officer                Willie Kelly   k.chrissk@hotmail.com
Coaching Officer                   Padraic Carolan         padraic.carolan@hse.ie
Hurling Board Chairman             John Hopkins             hopkinsjohn0@gmail.com
East Board Chairman                Vincent Walsh             clgbordoirthearmaigheo@eircom.net
North Board Chairman               Padraig Staunton        stauntonmp@eircom.net
South Board Chairman              Ger McHugh    gerry.mchugh@mail.ie
West Board Chairman               Michael Moran          mmorancarsales@eircom.net


That looks like the board as it is now.

I don t think there was any question of Paddy resigning? He has served his time and shuffled into the House of Lords. Connolly defeated a challenge from Seán Feeney for Chairman? Connolly was Vice-Chairman when the current management was cobbled together.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on April 22, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
Evan Regan broke the collar bone again last night in training.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on April 22, 2015, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
Evan Regan broke the collar bone again last night in training.

Ah jaysus!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on April 22, 2015, 07:51:54 PM
Ahh man that's hard to believe, I'm sick to the pit of my stomach hearing that.

Had visions of him taking his opportunity by the scruff this year.

Get well soon Evan Regan.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 22, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
Evan Regan broke the collar bone again last night in training.

It's awful on the young lad. He is really unlucky. Mayo could do with a free scoring forward this year of all years. All we can do is wish him well. Will he be back again I wonder? Especially 2 breaks in a few months.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on April 22, 2015, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 22, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
Evan Regan broke the collar bone again last night in training.

It's awful on the young lad. He is really unlucky. Mayo could do with a free scoring forward this year of all years. All we can do is wish him well. Will he be back again I wonder? Especially 2 breaks in a few months.

From what ive heard he wont be in the reckoning at all this year.He was on the receiving end of a shoulder and thats what broke it again.You have to feel sorry for him he worked hard to get back and now this happens.Its a disaster for Mayo
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on April 23, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Jaysus, that's tough going on him and a balls for Mayo

At least it's something that shouldn't come against him too badly in the future like say a repeat leg break or ACL would
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: MaigheoAbu on April 23, 2015, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on April 22, 2015, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 22, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
Evan Regan broke the collar bone again last night in training.

It's awful on the young lad. He is really unlucky. Mayo could do with a free scoring forward this year of all years. All we can do is wish him well. Will he be back again I wonder? Especially 2 breaks in a few months.

From what ive heard he wont be in the reckoning at all this year.He was on the receiving end of a shoulder and thats what broke it again.You have to feel sorry for him he worked hard to get back and now this happens.Its a disaster for Mayo

Here's the full statement from Mayo Gaa about the injury Evan Regan sustainedhttp://www.mayogaa.com/news/358189/Statement_Re_Evan_Regan .
Very unfortunate for the lad to break his collarbone again. I was only chatting to him when he appeared at the Darkness Into Light Ballina launch for our committee & he said he was fully recovered & looking forward to the championship.
Unfortunately we won't get to see him tog out for Mayo Gaa during the Summer. All we can do now is wish him the best of luck & here's hoping he'll recover without any complications.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on April 23, 2015, 05:55:25 PM
Terrible. Real kick in the teeth that one is..

I remember Ronaldson suffering a few collar bone breaks in a short space of time as a minor.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 28, 2015, 10:40:01 PM
Interesting the article in the Mayo News about the Academy. It has only met players 12-14 times a year. You'd wonder what the benefit is if it's used sparingly. However Billy McNicholas reckons it's just teething problems and will adapt.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on April 28, 2015, 11:37:53 PM
Who's in the academy? U21s / fringe players? Or younger?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on April 29, 2015, 12:31:04 AM

Billy Mac and the other coaches will do a good job with whoever is sent up. But forever kid that is selected for this so-called Academy, another (who feels hard done by) quits the game forever. Kids don t tolerate that muck - they see right through it.  I ve probably mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again. A club that struggled to give kids game time with 2 U12 teams were ringing around to try and get an U16 team for championship. Several players quit when they were divided into the have and have -nots and in fairness did not go back. Nepotism has not gone away. Contrary and pushy parents still rule the roost. Some of the kids are just being hawked and others are turned off for good. Too many young lads with potential are quitting because they are rejected. Resources are lavished on others that are being pushed and most amount to little enough.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on May 01, 2015, 09:45:22 AM
We've always had problems with nepotism in Mayo football Moy. I remember that going back to my day and it certainly extended all the way to the county setup at all levels up to U21 at least.
I wondered if this was a unique thing to Mayo but it's not. I'm living here in Meath now and see the same oul shite at my local club where young kids get games only because their father or uncle (or grandfather in one case) played for the club over kids without any long affiliations. The club loses many talented youngsters to other sports (rugby is the big winner around here) because as you say, they see through this. If you lose youngsters at u14 or u16, you'll never get them back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2015, 12:31:04 AM

Billy Mac and the other coaches will do a good job with whoever is sent up. But forever kid that is selected for this so-called Academy, another (who feels hard done by) quits the game forever. Kids don t tolerate that muck - they see right through it.  I ve probably mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again. A club that struggled to give kids game time with 2 U12 teams were ringing around to try and get an U16 team for championship. Several players quit when they were divided into the have and have -nots and in fairness did not go back. Nepotism has not gone away. Contrary and pushy parents still rule the roost. Some of the kids are just being hawked and others are turned off for good. Too many young lads with potential are quitting because they are rejected. Resources are lavished on others that are being pushed and most amount to little enough.
Ha, this was exactly how it played out for myself. Like to think I have natural enough athletic ability but remember not being arsed going at the way it panned out U-12/14 even though I was still mad about football.
Still remember being lined up,about 40 of us on the steps in front of the clubhouse..one coach just went a tapped a lad on the head and he went off with the "As" and the rest were left to pack into cars and head off to another match. No reason given and I distinctly remember the "As" being made up of 2 town league clubs at the time....while the other 3 town league teams made up the "B" team. No joke, if you're from Ballina...you won't find it hard to work out what I'm on about ::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Champ15 on May 01, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2015, 12:31:04 AM

Billy Mac and the other coaches will do a good job with whoever is sent up. But forever kid that is selected for this so-called Academy, another (who feels hard done by) quits the game forever. Kids don t tolerate that muck - they see right through it.  I ve probably mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again. A club that struggled to give kids game time with 2 U12 teams were ringing around to try and get an U16 team for championship. Several players quit when they were divided into the have and have -nots and in fairness did not go back. Nepotism has not gone away. Contrary and pushy parents still rule the roost. Some of the kids are just being hawked and others are turned off for good. Too many young lads with potential are quitting because they are rejected. Resources are lavished on others that are being pushed and most amount to little enough.

Ha, this was exactly how it played out for myself. Like to think I have natural enough athletic ability but remember not being arsed going at the way it panned out U-12/14 even though I was still mad about football.
Still remember being lined up,about 40 of us on the steps in front of the clubhouse..one coach just went a tapped a lad on the head and he went off with the "As" and the rest were left to pack into cars and head off to another match. No reason given and I distinctly remember the "As" being made up of 2 town league clubs at the time....while the other 3 town league teams made up the "B" team. No joke, if you're from Ballina...you won't find it hard to work out what I'm on about ::)

Quick guess would be Pat's & Fitzgerald's  ;)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Champ15 on May 01, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2015, 12:31:04 AM

Billy Mac and the other coaches will do a good job with whoever is sent up. But forever kid that is selected for this so-called Academy, another (who feels hard done by) quits the game forever. Kids don t tolerate that muck - they see right through it.  I ve probably mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again. A club that struggled to give kids game time with 2 U12 teams were ringing around to try and get an U16 team for championship. Several players quit when they were divided into the have and have -nots and in fairness did not go back. Nepotism has not gone away. Contrary and pushy parents still rule the roost. Some of the kids are just being hawked and others are turned off for good. Too many young lads with potential are quitting because they are rejected. Resources are lavished on others that are being pushed and most amount to little enough.

Ha, this was exactly how it played out for myself. Like to think I have natural enough athletic ability but remember not being arsed going at the way it panned out U-12/14 even though I was still mad about football.
Still remember being lined up,about 40 of us on the steps in front of the clubhouse..one coach just went a tapped a lad on the head and he went off with the "As" and the rest were left to pack into cars and head off to another match. No reason given and I distinctly remember the "As" being made up of 2 town league clubs at the time....while the other 3 town league teams made up the "B" team. No joke, if you're from Ballina...you won't find it hard to work out what I'm on about ::)

Quick guess would be Pat's & Fitzgerald's  ;)

Incorrect!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Champ15 on May 01, 2015, 11:38:14 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Champ15 on May 01, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2015, 12:31:04 AM

Billy Mac and the other coaches will do a good job with whoever is sent up. But forever kid that is selected for this so-called Academy, another (who feels hard done by) quits the game forever. Kids don t tolerate that muck - they see right through it.  I ve probably mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again. A club that struggled to give kids game time with 2 U12 teams were ringing around to try and get an U16 team for championship. Several players quit when they were divided into the have and have -nots and in fairness did not go back. Nepotism has not gone away. Contrary and pushy parents still rule the roost. Some of the kids are just being hawked and others are turned off for good. Too many young lads with potential are quitting because they are rejected. Resources are lavished on others that are being pushed and most amount to little enough.

Ha, this was exactly how it played out for myself. Like to think I have natural enough athletic ability but remember not being arsed going at the way it panned out U-12/14 even though I was still mad about football.
Still remember being lined up,about 40 of us on the steps in front of the clubhouse..one coach just went a tapped a lad on the head and he went off with the "As" and the rest were left to pack into cars and head off to another match. No reason given and I distinctly remember the "As" being made up of 2 town league clubs at the time....while the other 3 town league teams made up the "B" team. No joke, if you're from Ballina...you won't find it hard to work out what I'm on about ::)

Quick guess would be Pat's & Fitzgerald's  ;)

Incorrect!

That was the case at underage in my day. That and it being about who you were more than what you could do. To be fair that wasn't always the case we had a decent spread of players from all over the town league clubs for the most of part bar United where players from that area usually gave up around the the age of 16 or so
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on May 01, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
Regan had surgery to his shoulder/collar bone? Included a bone graft which sounds fairly serious?
I hear the surgeon happy with job - whatever that means?
Hopefully he ll get back playing again sometime.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 01, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
Regan had surgery to his shoulder/collar bone? Included a bone graft which sounds fairly serious?
I hear the surgeon happy with job - whatever that means?
Hopefully he ll get back playing again sometime.
Normal for a repeat fracture or non union, speeds up healing.
He'll be back, wouldn't bank on soon though.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on May 01, 2015, 10:39:11 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 01, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
Regan had surgery to his shoulder/collar bone? Included a bone graft which sounds fairly serious?
I hear the surgeon happy with job - whatever that means?
Hopefully he ll get back playing again sometime.
Normal for a repeat fracture or non union, speeds up healing.
He'll be back, wouldn't bank on soon though.

Have you ever heard a Surgeon admit they were unhappy with an operation they completed?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on May 03, 2015, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on May 01, 2015, 10:39:11 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2015, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 01, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
Regan had surgery to his shoulder/collar bone? Included a bone graft which sounds fairly serious?
I hear the surgeon happy with job - whatever that means?
Hopefully he ll get back playing again sometime.
Normal for a repeat fracture or non union, speeds up healing.
He'll be back, wouldn't bank on soon though.
Good point!
Have you ever heard a Surgeon admit they were unhappy with an operation they completed?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on May 24, 2015, 11:24:57 PM
Hurlers relegated to the Lory Meagher over the weekend
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on May 24, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 24, 2015, 11:24:57 PM
Hurlers relegated to the Lory Meagher over the weekend

Thought they have to play against one of lory Meagher teams in a final relegation playoff
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on May 24, 2015, 11:55:03 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 24, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 24, 2015, 11:24:57 PM
Hurlers relegated to the Lory Meagher over the weekend

Thought they have to play against one of lory Meagher teams in a final relegation playoff

You could be right, I heard it described as a relegation play off so I assumed they were gone
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on June 06, 2015, 07:43:39 PM
What's the story with Cillian ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on June 10, 2015, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 06, 2015, 07:43:39 PM
What's the story with Cillian ?

One of the managers said he's coming along well should play at least 40-45 minutes possibly 70
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
Meanwhile, Niall Heffernan has decided not to go forward as U-21 manager next year...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on June 11, 2015, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
Meanwhile, Niall Heffernan has decided not to go forward as U-21 manager next year...

Fair enough. Top fella.
It ll be interesting to see now how we can turn our act in this grade around - that's if it is worth bothering to do so?

I can t see a queue of people wanting to take this gig on.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on June 11, 2015, 11:43:01 AM
Any idea of who the expected to play against Galway?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: rosnarun on June 19, 2015, 12:42:12 PM
Why was there a cup for a relegaton play off on sunday? is it the most meaningless cup ever
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 07, 2015, 01:01:50 AM

Both Regan and Conroy were playing for clubs at the weekend. Might not excite many of ye but it's something.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on July 07, 2015, 01:06:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2015, 01:01:50 AM

Both Regan and Conroy were playing for clubs at the weekend. Might not excite many of ye but it's something.

Good to hear. All needed!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on July 07, 2015, 08:58:42 AM
Good to hear - would either be fit for a potential QF on 08th August? Or a potential SF on 30th Aug?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2015, 09:52:12 AM
Or a potential final on Sept 20th?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on July 08, 2015, 06:44:59 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2015, 09:52:12 AM
Or a potential final on Sept 20th?

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Something is wrong with Farr!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
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Poor oul Farr :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 20, 2015, 09:37:34 PM

So what do we do now. Yesterday was great to watch but coughing up 2-11 was loose even if a couple of frees were sympathetic.

No other team will give us that kind of space and cough up possession so soft. Other teams will take us again for crucial goals if we do that again. So what do we do?

I was happy the way we set up defensively and midfielders and a few forwards worked hard to get back but our last line are not dominating their men at all. No confidence or presence there imo. Apart from Zippy and he had his hands full yesterday.

It' s a bit late for system overhaul at this stage so do we just hope for the best with what we are at and hope we outscore teams?

Or do we drop the high pressing game, concede short kick-outs and drop off and protect our fb line, like most of the top teams do?

Or do we tweak the personnel. Bring in Barrett, Keane and move Keegan back into a marking job. Maybe use Keith as a sweeper?

Or is there something else that could be done?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 20, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
I haven't a clue moy, we're dealing with the same old shite for over 10 years at this stage. I don't think for one minute that the management have a defensive plan 'under wraps'. You can hardly expect the players to just launch into a new defensive plan in August. I wasn't at all happy with the last line of defence yesterday, whether or not the personnel weren't good enough or not is another matter. Even when the Sligo full forward line ran at the full back line they caused problems. And a lot of 'huge ones in' as Ger Canning likes to put them were misjudged or scrambled to get out. That will be our undoing this year if we're not careful. Fair play to Clarkey, he pulled off two fantastic saves.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 20, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 20, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
I haven't a clue moy, we're dealing with the same old shite for over 10 years at this stage. I don't think for one minute that the management have a defensive plan 'under wraps'. You can hardly expect the players to just launch into a new defensive plan in August. I wasn't at all happy with the last line of defence yesterday, whether or not the personnel weren't good enough or not is another matter. Even when the Sligo full forward line ran at the full back line they caused problems. And a lot of 'huge ones in' as Ger Canning likes to put them were misjudged or scrambled to get out. That will be our undoing this year if we're not careful. Fair play to Clarkey, he pulled off two fantastic saves.

It's a personnel thing imo. The McGees and other top county defenders would have prevented that second goal in the same circumstances. There were plenty bodies there but we were lightweight. Do we hope these guys improve or do we change it and play a blanket? That would change our game considerably and would not be pretty.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on July 20, 2015, 10:55:46 PM
Like all of you. I am praying that H&C are hiding a defensive system that will be rolled out when needed. There is a chance that they have not needed to show their hand in Connacht. Keane was injured yesterday and he is one player who needs championship games even if they are against Sligo. Look, Kerry are in the same boat as us, but they have leaned to adapt to a defensive system when needed and did it well last year.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 20, 2015, 11:26:20 PM

But Kerry's system is like ours Bunker. Half forwards graft (likes of Walsh plays mostly a destructive game) and midfielders work back but at the end of the day O Mahoney, Mark O Sé and Enright have to mark their men and survive. We are actually more mobile 5-12 than Kerry and get around better ( Buckley and Sheehan not the most mobile). Their back 3 don t mess about though and that's the difference. Kerry don t let these old dog defenders retire easy. They are priceless. What we wouldn t give now for a Mortimor, Cahill or Gary Ruane.

The only thing management can do to change it now is different personnel (different deck chairs?) or become ultra defensive and sacrifice our high press and become another counter-attacking side?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on July 21, 2015, 11:40:17 PM
We need an extra defender back there and we have to play Higgins as the extra man or sweeper whatever you want to call it.Seamus o se should also be under instruction to stay back always and be the more defensive of our midfielders.Andy is going to have to be sacrificed and name Higgins or Barrett in the attack and use Higgins as the extra man.Personally i would go with Clarke in goal a fb line of Cafferkey Keane and Cunniffe a hb line of Keegan Vaughan Boyle with Higgins as a sweeper with Seamus o se and Mc Loughlin also playing very deep behind the ball.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on July 22, 2015, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 21, 2015, 11:40:17 PM
We need an extra defender back there and we have to play Higgins as the extra man or sweeper whatever you want to call it.Seamus o se should also be under instruction to stay back always and be the more defensive of our midfielders.Andy is going to have to be sacrificed and name Higgins or Barrett in the attack and use Higgins as the extra man.Personally i would go with Clarke in goal a fb line of Cafferkey Keane and Cunniffe a hb line of Keegan Vaughan Boyle with Higgins as a sweeper with Seamus o se and Mc Loughlin also playing very deep behind the ball.

Now we re talking. That would mean the high press goes but that's hardly goin to work anyway against teams in CP.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on July 23, 2015, 08:37:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 22, 2015, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 21, 2015, 11:40:17 PM
We need an extra defender back there and we have to play Higgins as the extra man or sweeper whatever you want to call it.Seamus o se should also be under instruction to stay back always and be the more defensive of our midfielders.Andy is going to have to be sacrificed and name Higgins or Barrett in the attack and use Higgins as the extra man.Personally i would go with Clarke in goal a fb line of Cafferkey Keane and Cunniffe a hb line of Keegan Vaughan Boyle with Higgins as a sweeper with Seamus o se and Mc Loughlin also playing very deep behind the ball.

Now we re talking. That would mean the high press goes but that's hardly goin to work anyway against teams in CP.

Do we just concede the short kickout then and put up a wall around midfield? Each remaining game will be different and should be approached different tactically IMO. Also Mc Loughlin played his best game in a long time in the 2nd half last year v kerry in the drawn game where he was playing mostly as a half back.I would instruct Mc Loughlin to play here from now on as Diarmuid can be the link man between defence and attack.This might solve 2 problems it might make us more solid and stop the concession of goals and Mc Loughlin might find some form.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2015, 11:29:21 AM
Hard to know what to make of the situation we're now in. I for one cannot see this team coming back again. Yes all the 'big guns' in Connacht play in Castlebar next year, but things could go awry between now and then. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 06, 2015, 01:48:58 PM
Very disappointing day yesterday, not just with the result but the manner of it, along with the fact that we've just fallen short over the last 5 years and now the possibility that we may slip back into the pack a bit. I cannot figure out how we went yesterday, from a strong position 4 points up with 15 mins to go, to conceding 3 goals in 9 mins with the apparent mental lapses and cheap turnovers that we displayed. We defended well to that point, looked organised, then suddenly huge gaps began to appear and unmarked Dubln players were running into them. Composure seemed to disappear on the pitch and sideline. Cannot fault any of the players over the last few years for their character and commitment, but you have to wonder how many setbacks these lads can take and comeback from. I think the management didn't cover themselves in glory with their decision making/substitutions in the end game.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 06, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 06, 2015, 01:48:58 PM
Very disappointing day yesterday, not just with the result but the manner of it, along with the fact that we've just fallen short over the last 5 years and now the possibility that we may slip back into the pack a bit. I cannot figure out how we went yesterday, from a strong position 4 points up with 15 mins to go, to conceding 3 goals in 9 mins with the apparent mental lapses and cheap turnovers that we displayed. We defended well to that point, looked organised, then suddenly huge gaps began to appear and unmarked Dubln players were running into them. Composure seemed to disappear on the pitch and sideline. Cannot fault any of the players over the last few years for their character and commitment, but you have to wonder how many setbacks these lads can take and comeback from. I think the management didn't cover themselves in glory with their decision making/substitutions in the end game.

Management made poor calls yesterday but it was to be expected.Pat Holmes was making poor calls 14 years ago.The management process last autumn was a farce.4 points up  with 20 mins to go any other team would try to close it out but no way not Mayo.Lets call a spade a spade we collapsed completley for the last few mins.Hennelly is a liability in goal.Mc Loughlin has regressed incredibily.Seamus o se was not at the races and Doherty was not having a good game.So where to now? The emergence of Diarmuid O Connor and Patrick Durcan with the 2nd coming of Parsons gives some hope.We need to find a forward or forwards that can score first and foremost.Regan is the obvious candidate.We need to stop the concession of goals.This has been well discussed on here so i wont go into again but if we keep conceeding goals we will never win anything.We already have slipped back into the pack.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on September 06, 2015, 09:26:28 PM
Jeez Reedcoll what kind of a comment is that to make?I think a lot of clubs in Mayo are only interested in how many of there clubmaen are on the panel and not winning anything.The manager deemed your clubman not good enough to make the squad and few would disagree with him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on September 06, 2015, 09:56:54 PM
Ok,Maybe a bit too cutting, but the fact remains a young lad was thrown into a completely alien position in our biggest game of the year for his championship debut. As for our player being dropped, that is part of life, and obviously we have no player in the top 34 players in the county, as the manager/managers have deemed them not good enough.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 07, 2015, 09:22:47 AM
Extremely disappointed after that so I can only imagine how the players & management are feeling. It's hard to know if this group of players have the heart to come back from another tough defeat. If they can though and if they can learn from the mistakes of this year, they have a good chance of finally winning Sam next year. That might seem a bit fanciful at this stage but for me, there were two things that scuppered us this year that can be easily remedied if the management are up to it:

1) AOS at FF is not a bad tactic but aimlessly lumping balls in is a terrible tactic. The amount of balls we put in where Aiden didn't even have a chance of competing for it, much less winning it was shocking. Serious amount of practice needed in this regard, just watch a few videos of how Kerry play the ball into Donaghy. Also, we need to play closer to AOS rather than leave him isolated – the goal that Kerry scored in the drawn game last year came from a diagonal ball into Donaghy, he caught it and popped it immediately to JOD; we haven't even tried to play like this.

2) We need to learn how to play a sweeper properly. Five goals conceded in two games against Dublin even when playing a sweeper shows we're not using it correctly, Chances are this is because it's something we only started playing in the last couple of months. Two or three players (Cunniffe, McLoughlin & AN Other maybe) should be identified for this role and coached during the league on how to play it. If we can stop leaking goals, we'll be halfway there.

I doubt there'll be many retirements – Dillon maybe as he hasn't had much game time. I think Andy still has a huge amount to offer. In Durcan & DO'C we have two new top quality prospects and the likes of Hall, Regan, Coen & Loftus potentially to come through next year. If we win Connacht next year (not a given but home advantage against Galway / Roscommon is a plus), we're in the opposite side of the draw to Kerry / Dublin so it's a big opportunity for one more push for an All Ireland

Maigh Eo abú

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 09:39:25 AM
I'd gladly have had Enda Varley over Sweeney and Ronaldson coming on.
macdanger2, we're not learning from mistakes and the problem is that new problems will emerge throughout the course of the championship next year and we seem unable to react. Too late again

You're right about the sweeper, looked a mess. Doesn't suit Boyler, learned that in the drawn semi vs Kerry last year sure.

I don't know if some of the young lads coming through have the physicality and conditioning to make the step up to senior intercounty, it's a different world.

There's no continuity at the moment, underage is all over the shop. Minor to U21 to senior is a free for all in terms of coaching. Colemans, Geralds, Rice and Muredachs should be targeted by the County board. Horan referenced it today in the Western People saying that we've been lumping on the senior team in the last few years and it hasn't paid off.

We seem to have an endless supply of men in the media but not in coaching. Knowledge is there, need to use it effectively.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 07, 2015, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 09:39:25 AM
I'd gladly have had Enda Varley over Sweeney and Ronaldson coming on.
macdanger2, we're not learning from mistakes and the problem is that new problems will emerge throughout the course of the championship next year and we seem unable to react. Too late again

You're right about the sweeper, looked a mess. Doesn't suit Boyler, learned that in the drawn semi vs Kerry last year sure.

I don't know if some of the young lads coming through have the physicality and conditioning to make the step up to senior intercounty, it's a different world.

There's no continuity at the moment, underage is all over the shop. Minor to U21 to senior is a free for all in terms of coaching. Colemans, Geralds, Rice and Muredachs should be targeted by the County board. Horan referenced it today in the Western People saying that we've been lumping on the senior team in the last few years and it hasn't paid off.

We seem to have an endless supply of men in the media but not in coaching. Knowledge is there, need to use it effectively.

That's the thing. Even the Dubs and Kerry end up with maybe 20 'test' players when it comes to September. Everybody loses a few each year with injuries and ageing.

Look at the Dubs and the hype about Costello and Rock. Rock is now a free taker with little impact from play. Costello not even on the bench.

We ended up with about 17 and that includes Patrick Durkan who managed to perform brilliantly after little enough time before an AI semi. We played the semi without contribution from experienced 'test' players in the panel like Dillon, Clarke, Keane and Cunniffe. Vaughan because of injury was ineffective. Should not have been played in replay as he was clearly winged from the start. It is of course disappointing when you go through the programme the last day and you see that for one reason or another most subs could not contribute meaningfully.

The usual criticism will rain down on the Mayo players, but that is bullshit. We have as many players who can perform at this level as the 2 finalists. The difference though is still tactics and organisation. Afaic only one Mayo player had a nightmare the last day. It looks like that could have been avoided as well.

Most counties haven t half a dozen seasoned players that can perform at Dublin level never mind find 5 new ones like some people hope for. That cant happen.

It would be great to get a couple more young fellas come through like DOC and Durkan but doesn t matter who we get in new it wont make up for poor selection/tactics when we get to the push for the summit either, but that's another debate.

The leap from minor/U21 is massive. You d have put good money on Adam Gallagher being a senior player by now 4/5 years ago. Pacey, stamina, enough size, good kicker of the ball etc. Didn t/ hasn't happened. Danny Kirby seem to tick most of the boxes as well.

My best bet for a breakthrough next year would be Michael Hall. Conor Loftus has the quality as well if he can get conditioned enough. Jamsie O Connor made the point tonight on Newstalk about how it takes a while to get able to take the physicality. It doesn t happen overnight or even in a year or two. But it does happen eventually.

The core of our team have that conditioning and now it's a matter of adding some fresh blood that can cope at the level the rest do and improve things hopefully. 2 new 'test' players would be a great result. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Reports that some players had to go on the Luas in their Mayo tracksuits to collect their cars after the match on Sunday despite the county board promising them they would provide transport to bring them.

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 09, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Reports that some players had to go on the Luas in their Mayo tracksuits to collect their cars after the match on Sunday despite the county board promising them they would provide transport to bring them.

Make of that what you will.

I can t imagine what was going on there?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 09, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Reports that some players had to go on the Luas in their Mayo tracksuits to collect their cars after the match on Sunday despite the county board promising them they would provide transport to bring them.

Make of that what you will.

Poor form if true considering the effort these guys put in all year
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 10, 2015, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Reports that some players had to go on the Luas in their Mayo tracksuits to collect their cars after the match on Sunday despite the county board promising them they would provide transport to bring them.

Make of that what you will.

Why would their cars be in Dublin?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 10, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2015, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Reports that some players had to go on the Luas in their Mayo tracksuits to collect their cars after the match on Sunday despite the county board promising them they would provide transport to bring them.

Make of that what you will.

Why would their cars be in Dublin?

Beats me. That's what's going around however. From a reliable enough source too I might add.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on September 11, 2015, 11:22:54 PM
Based on that I wonder how far they'd be willing to go to get this man on board for a push on the summit?

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/afl-star-pearse-hanley-reveals-his-hope-to-play-for-mayo-once-again/37173
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 12, 2015, 12:03:48 AM

Not going to happen so no point. Could only happen if he got crocked and released. That'd be no good to us.

I know I'm probably in the minority here but I think lack of quality hasn t been the substantive issue for us. Counties have won AIs with less quality that we've had the last few years.

We ve been unlucky with crucial players getting injured when it counted as well. Andy getting injured v Down 2012 and Clarkie v Donegal 2015 were catastrophic injuries for our chances.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on September 12, 2015, 06:38:31 AM
You can add Cillian and AOS banging heads in 2014 to that list too. Cost us that game as they were playing puck with the Kerrymen at the time.

I used to think you were right about quality and if you look at our team player by player that seems to stand up but as a whole I'm not so sure.

Our defence do not have enough players versed in the dark arts so aside from Lee and Donie we need a few more in there. Keith Ger Kevin K and Cunniffe are too 'pure' in their football for the cynicism if the modern game. Look at how Dublin and Kerry last year handled AOS and think how we'd go about the task.

Speaking of AOS we need to find a position for him but Im not sure where it is because he lacks a bit of crucial pace and  his size affects his stamina in central positions. I'd be tempted to stick with him in the FF line but not as the lone targetman. Think how Kerry used Tommy Walsh as a wingman for Donaghy when in their pomp. We need to find another like Kirby maybe. Otherwise I'm not sure where AOS fits on the biggest days.

As you have said we have plenty of players with quality but we need to create something that exceeds the sum of their parts. The defence has needed surgery for a few years and the addition of a few men with hairy hooves would be a step in the right direction. Up front I think COC was not at 100% this year so that alone will improve our prospects next year.

Onwards and upwards.
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Post by: moysider on September 14, 2015, 01:03:59 AM
Board chairman 'can't wait' for new season


Edwin McGreal


Mayo GAA chief Mike Connelly is looking forward to the 2016 season with huge optimism despite Mayo's heartbreaking defeat to Dublin on Saturday.
The team managed by Pat Holmes and Connelly's brother Noel lost the All-Ireland semi-final replay at a packed Croke Park.
"We're in a very, very good place," Mike Connelly told The Mayo News last night (Monday). "I was down and out until yesterday (Sunday) morning but the more I think about it the more I cannot wait until 2016.
"This team might be four or five years on the road but we have a great nucleus of a team, as good as we'll ever have. I have no doubt we can go to another level. We're chomping at the bit for 2016," he added.
The Mayo GAA Board Chairman also confirmed that the joint management team of Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly would remain in situ next season.
"Pat and Noel have a three year term. They didn't come in for one year willy nilly to go away if things didn't go well. They're involved in Mayo football for years and they are there for the long haul and looking forward to next year to try and bring the ultimate, the All-Ireland, to the best supporters in the country," said Mike Connelly.
He is 'hopeful' that none of the senior players will retire and that all the squad will be present and correct when Mayo meet again on December 1. He also called on the county to get behind the players and management.
"Players, management, county board, clubs and supporters all have to knuckle down and be back in the best way possible in 2016. We can listen to the knockers and the bullshitters or we can look forward to 2016 and give the players and management 110 per cent backing. If we don't we're fools," said Connelly.
He also said the management will benefit 'hugely' from this year.
"New management too have come in and to try and make your mark in the first year is difficult. In the league you want to stay in Division 1 because it is so important for the County Board and for the team but you also want to blood new players. The management will know the capacity of the team and of players now after their first year. I'm sure that if they haven't assessed it yet they will assess in the coming weeks where things went wrong from a management point of view and from a playing point of view."


Such a load of bollocks. One of the worst rear-guard defences spin I ve seen. Where to begin? Oldest bullying trick in the book to challenge fans to support management and team 110%. ffs.

The bit in bold is pathetic. I would suggest that Dublin management knew the capacity of the Mayo team better than H&C ffs. Were H&C deep frozen for the Johnno/Horan years?

And the management will assess where things went wrong with their own management ;D ;D ;D

And from a playing point of view??? Is that players or how they play or tactics or ............

So maybe now for example they know that ******* can implode even though fans have been covering their eyes a few years now when he plays.

Pathetic. This regime (chairman and management) obviously see this as their fiefdom to make their mark. They had players who had already reached 2 finals and 2 semis!!! there is more video out there of this Mayo team than 9/11. Are these guys slow learners? maybe they even went to some games and saw them live?

Just when I think things are bad, I come across this spin and realise that things are worse than I thought.

After that both chairman and management need to go but it wont happen. They ll do their term and - chairman and management - will slink way from the ashes of our best team. Shame.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on September 14, 2015, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Reports that some players had to go on the Luas in their Mayo tracksuits to collect their cars after the match on Sunday despite the county board promising them they would provide transport to bring them.

Make of that what you will.

Surely that's bullshit ,sure don't they get a coach to Dublin , why would their cars be in Dublin ? Pics of the coach leaving Ballaghaderreen with Andy boarding the coach and Ann solan seeing them off.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2015, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Heard it earlier in the year after bad league campaign,  went away when we got back to winning, I do hear that Alan Dillon isn't happy
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on September 14, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.

Can't go on any longer though Moy ,if they're not wanted , out ta fook . This panel don't need any hinderence . Mike Connelly/Connolly s statement is a load of manure .

Structures need to be put in place and the men that are responsible for such need to wake the fook up , our minor and 21 team this year were friggin useless and I still don't know what the fook is going on with all the minors that are walking around injured this last two years. Oisin Horan was on minor panel last year , I don't think he's played a game for kilmovee since (if he has it's only last couple of months)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.

What ive heard is not good and would significantly weaken us for next year if true.I think its bullshit though
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 14, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.

Can't go on any longer though Moy ,if they're not wanted , out ta fook . This panel don't need any hinderence . Mike Connelly/Connolly s statement is a load of manure .

Structures need to be put in place and the men that are responsible for such need to wake the fook up , our minor and 21 team this year were friggin useless and I still don't know what the fook is going on with all the minors that are walking around injured this last two years. Oisin Horan was on minor panel last year , I don't think he's played a game for kilmovee since (if he has it's only last couple of months)
Indeed, you're right on the money with regards our underage and especially u-21 'structures'. Any word on who will be taking the vacancy? Whoever steps in would have a bloody good core of players to work with after them winning the minor AI 3 years ago. What's going on with the u-20 academy, or is there one? Is it making the good young players bad?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 15, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 14, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.

Can't go on any longer though Moy ,if they're not wanted , out ta fook . This panel don't need any hinderence . Mike Connelly/Connolly s statement is a load of manure .

Structures need to be put in place and the men that are responsible for such need to wake the fook up , our minor and 21 team this year were friggin useless and I still don't know what the fook is going on with all the minors that are walking around injured this last two years. Oisin Horan was on minor panel last year , I don't think he's played a game for kilmovee since (if he has it's only last couple of months)
Indeed, you're right on the money with regards our underage and especially u-21 'structures'. Any word on who will be taking the vacancy? Whoever steps in would have a bloody good core of players to work with after them winning the minor AI 3 years ago. What's going on with the u-20 academy, or is there one? Is it making the good young players bad?

I think it's important to differentiate between the immediate with the senior team and the underage/development structures.

The board would love to muddy those waters. Different issues.

There is no guarantee that the best structures in the world would produce players like Keith Higgins, Parsons, Boyle, Keegan, AOS, Kevin MvLoughlin, COC. When you have those fellas around in their pomp at the same time you have to nail it. Different issues.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:00:54 AM
I caught the end of a new story on radio 1 this morning, something to the effect "it'd be a big blow to Mayo if they were to lose him....". Presumably either Buckley or Solan?? Or a player to AFL??

Any know what the story is?? I presume it's what dan was referring to in an earlier post??
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 15, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:00:54 AM
I caught the end of a new story on radio 1 this morning, something to the effect "it'd be a big blow to Mayo if they were to lose him....". Presumably either Buckley or Solan?? Or a player to AFL??

Any know what the story is?? I presume it's what dan was referring to in an earlier post??

Enda Kenny?  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Syferus on September 15, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:00:54 AM
I caught the end of a new story on radio 1 this morning, something to the effect "it'd be a big blow to Mayo if they were to lose him....". Presumably either Buckley or Solan?? Or a player to AFL??

Any know what the story is?? I presume it's what dan was referring to in an earlier post??

Barry a Solan is taking up a job with Arsenal, he is gone and that was known for a while so I doubt they meant him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 15, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:00:54 AM
I caught the end of a new story on radio 1 this morning, something to the effect "it'd be a big blow to Mayo if they were to lose him....". Presumably either Buckley or Solan?? Or a player to AFL??

Any know what the story is?? I presume it's what dan was referring to in an earlier post??
After Diarmuid O'Connor's displays this year it wouldn't be surprising if he became an AFL target.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: PW Nally on September 15, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
Any chance this can be a STI/STD free zone?

#saveusfromSyphilis
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 15, 2015, 04:28:14 PM
Is this "review" that's reported in the Mayo News an attempt to head off the rumoured trouble coming down the tracks???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 15, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 15, 2015, 04:28:14 PM
Is this "review" that's reported in the Mayo News an attempt to head off the rumoured trouble coming down the tracks???

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22729:mayo-gaa-plan-end-of-season-review&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22729:mayo-gaa-plan-end-of-season-review&catid=14&Itemid=100008)

"Team management have to assess their performances, players have to, and we, the board, have to as well. Our review with the senior hurlers went very well so we'll be doing the same with their football lads."

Mayo lost every match in the Christy Ring Cup in 2015, so what does '[the meeting..]...went very well' mean?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 15, 2015, 05:04:54 PM


A load of oul hokum.

Spinning, stalling, kicking the can down the road.

If Buckley is gone - and I hear he is - H&C position even less tenable.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on September 15, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
In Fairness, Buckley has to be as fed up as the rest of us! It's all about winning and what can this man tell this group after 4 years? I'd say that most of the lads know the drill (to us the pun) by now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2015, 07:08:04 PM
Buckley's gone but it all depends who replaces him. Fellas were ready to jump into the sea when Cian O'Neill left but he was replaced. It just depends who the next man is.

There are big questions over the management alright. It would be nice if they came out to answer those questions, but they won't because no manager ever has and I can't imagine any manager ever doing it in future either.

Whatever questions the management have to answer, I don't think tracksuited Mayo players taking the LUAS to collect their cars is one of them. There's a fierce smell of shite of that tale. Fierce.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: REDCOL on September 15, 2015, 07:12:42 PM
Its all right lads our Chairman has instigated a review of the year, where he will personally head a committee tasked with meeting his brother to review the year. There was as a review held recently with the Hurling Management.

Mayo News Last week "We're hoping Barry & Donie will be there next year too"

Mayo News This week "Pat & Noel were "hired" to do the Senior Team Job and its up to them to maintain the backroom team or re-appoint the various people involved there. We'll only be informed when it comes to ratifying appointments really".


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Ballaghman on September 15, 2015, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 14, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.

Can't go on any longer though Moy ,if they're not wanted , out ta fook . This panel don't need any hinderence . Mike Connelly/Connolly s statement is a load of manure .

Structures need to be put in place and the men that are responsible for such need to wake the fook up , our minor and 21 team this year were friggin useless and I still don't know what the fook is going on with all the minors that are walking around injured this last two years. Oisin Horan was on minor panel last year , I don't think he's played a game for kilmovee since (if he has it's only last couple of months)
No he hasn't Larry. Himself, Seamie Cunniffe and Shairoze all had a similar injury as a result of county minor training. I heard 5 or 6 lads from the 2013/14 panels  had the same injury but only know the local lads names. Poor treatment of our future players to say the least.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on September 15, 2015, 09:32:15 PM
Quote from: Ballaghman on September 15, 2015, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 14, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 14, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Anybody know about these 'rumours' about trouble in the camp?

Ive heard rumours to farr but sure isnt there always rumours when we get beat.I hope there not true mind

On the contrary I hope there is. If there isn t there should be.

Can't go on any longer though Moy ,if they're not wanted , out ta fook . This panel don't need any hinderence . Mike Connelly/Connolly s statement is a load of manure .

Structures need to be put in place and the men that are responsible for such need to wake the fook up , our minor and 21 team this year were friggin useless and I still don't know what the fook is going on with all the minors that are walking around injured this last two years. Oisin Horan was on minor panel last year , I don't think he's played a game for kilmovee since (if he has it's only last couple of months)
No he hasn't Larry. Himself, Seamie Cunniffe and Shairoze all had a similar injury as a result of county minor training. I heard 5 or 6 lads from the 2013/14 panels  had the same injury but only know the local lads names. Poor treatment of our future players to say the least.

Yeah, I know a lad from 2014 with a plethora of injuries from that year. His auld man reckons he's shagged!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 15, 2015, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on September 15, 2015, 07:12:42 PM
Its all right lads our Chairman has instigated a review of the year, where he will personally head a committee tasked with meeting his brother to review the year. There was as a review held recently with the Hurling Management.

Mayo News Last week "We're hoping Barry & Donie will be there next year too"

Mayo News This week "Pat & Noel were "hired" to do the Senior Team Job and its up to them to maintain the backroom team or re-appoint the various people involved there. We'll only be informed when it comes to ratifying appointments really".

Maybe he was slyly talking about Moran and Vaughan?  :D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on September 15, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

Buckley has done his time. Whether or not his leaving has got to do with the set-up? But you'd have to feel he (like us all) feels that this group has hit a plateux and the only way is backwards. We are hard to beat by the big teams, but we are beatable. We may maintain where we are for a while, but sooner or later we'll get a lesson from an up and coming side. Our (Mayo) present stage reminds me of Cork 2011 to present, That group have had a slow painful death at the top. Only difference they won a AI before the decline.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 15, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

I remember after the Dublin league game things were supposed to have been a bit septic in the camp. I remember James Horan in The Western looking for Donie Buckley to steady the ship and rescue the situation. I thought that was extraordinary (alarming even) at the time. Seems to me that management didn t have the players onside - probably from the start. Seems like it was down to Donie to keep the show on the road. Donie was there during the Horan years. Now you re looking at a scenario of somebody replacing him who is appointed by management that this group of players don t seem to have confidence in. Now how is that going to work?  Really. In the real world, things like that don t work at all.

Joint management is a cop out anyway. Even Clough and Taylor ended in grief. 2 average managers put together doesn t mean you get a good management.

This mess needs to be cleaned up before it gets a bad smell. There is an easy way out if people are sensible. When management lose the players there is no way back.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 15, 2015, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

I remember after the Dublin league game things were supposed to have been a bit septic in the camp. I remember James Horan in The Western looking for Donie Buckley to steady the ship and rescue the situation. I thought that was extraordinary (alarming even) at the time. Seems to me that management didn t have the players onside - probably from the start. Seems like it was down to Donie to keep the show on the road. Donie was there during the Horan years. Now you re looking at a scenario of somebody replacing him who is appointed by management that this group of players don t seem to have confidence in. Now how is that going to work?  Really. In the real world, things like that don t work at all.

Joint management is a cop out anyway. Even Clough and Taylor ended in grief. 2 average managers put together doesn t mean you get a good management.

This mess needs to be cleaned up before it gets a bad smell. There is an easy way out if people are sensible. When management lose the players there is no way back.

As per usual brilliant post Moy. Does anyone know for sure whats going on as the rumours are getting out of hand altogether now?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 15, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

Buckley has done his time. Whether or not his leaving has got to do with the set-up? But you'd have to feel he (like us all) feels that this group has hit a plateux and the only way is backwards. We are hard to beat by the big teams, but we are beatable. We may maintain where we are for a while, but sooner or later we'll get a lesson from an up and coming side. Our (Mayo) present stage reminds me of Cork 2011 to present, That group have had a slow painful death at the top. Only difference they won a AI before the decline.

I would agree with most of that. Maybe you are right about the plateaux and going backwards bit too but I d be hopeful we could up it again. What happens now depends on what happens now. If H&C insist on staying on - even though they seem never to have had the confidence of the players - then the outlook is bleak indeed. They could appoint Jim Bolger and Aidan O Brien as trainers and it wouldn t make a pick of difference.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 15, 2015, 10:56:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

Buckley has done his time. Whether or not his leaving has got to do with the set-up? But you'd have to feel he (like us all) feels that this group has hit a plateux and the only way is backwards. We are hard to beat by the big teams, but we are beatable. We may maintain where we are for a while, but sooner or later we'll get a lesson from an up and coming side. Our (Mayo) present stage reminds me of Cork 2011 to present, That group have had a slow painful death at the top. Only difference they won a AI before the decline.

I would agree with most of that. Maybe you are right about the plateaux and going backwards bit too but I d be hopeful we could up it again. What happens now depends on what happens now. If H&C insist on staying on - even though they seem never to have had the confidence of the players - then the outlook is bleak indeed. They could appoint Jim Bolger and Aidan O Brien as trainers and it wouldn t make a pick of difference.

Andy Horan and Mc Guinness are the names ive heard ;D
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on September 15, 2015, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 15, 2015, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

I remember after the Dublin league game things were supposed to have been a bit septic in the camp. I remember James Horan in The Western looking for Donie Buckley to steady the ship and rescue the situation. I thought that was extraordinary (alarming even) at the time. Seems to me that management didn t have the players onside - probably from the start. Seems like it was down to Donie to keep the show on the road. Donie was there during the Horan years. Now you re looking at a scenario of somebody replacing him who is appointed by management that this group of players don t seem to have confidence in. Now how is that going to work?  Really. In the real world, things like that don t work at all.

Joint management is a cop out anyway. Even Clough and Taylor ended in grief. 2 average managers put together doesn t mean you get a good management.

This mess needs to be cleaned up before it gets a bad smell. There is an easy way out if people are sensible. When management lose the players there is no way back.

As per usual brilliant post Moy. Does anyone know for sure whats going on as the rumours are getting out of hand altogether now?

I dunno. I think people should row back from this a little and let some concrete info come through from management and/or players. As far as I can see it's all speculation at the moment. I heard Dillon was unhappy at not being played in the semi final but there you go.  I'm sure he is too at not getting his chance but whether he would have made any difference or not is no more than speculation.

I assume nothing will come from management prior to the All Ireland itself. See how that pans out to see exactly where this team stands in relation to the so called top 2. After that I assume some sort of statement will be made with appointments etc if one is needed but I would be surprised to see one prior to that.

However one thing I don't like is the public hatred of this management.  That's why I put up that previous post as to what exactly people expect at the start of the championship season. And for every argument you want to make about calls the management team made I can easily make counter calls.  Also if If you want to have public outcry point it at the County Board. After all they appointed them and created this whole fiasco (big, small or whatever size it is) in the first place.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 16, 2015, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 15, 2015, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 15, 2015, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 15, 2015, 09:35:23 PM
Buckley is a loss alright but as ICC said, it depends on who replaces him. The quality of the replacement will say a lot about how serious we are. The other consideration is WHY Buckley left - did he feel that the setup wasn't up to scratch? Or something else? If the former, then it puts serious pressure on H&C

I remember after the Dublin league game things were supposed to have been a bit septic in the camp. I remember James Horan in The Western looking for Donie Buckley to steady the ship and rescue the situation. I thought that was extraordinary (alarming even) at the time. Seems to me that management didn t have the players onside - probably from the start. Seems like it was down to Donie to keep the show on the road. Donie was there during the Horan years. Now you re looking at a scenario of somebody replacing him who is appointed by management that this group of players don t seem to have confidence in. Now how is that going to work?  Really. In the real world, things like that don t work at all.

Joint management is a cop out anyway. Even Clough and Taylor ended in grief. 2 average managers put together doesn t mean you get a good management.

This mess needs to be cleaned up before it gets a bad smell. There is an easy way out if people are sensible. When management lose the players there is no way back.

As per usual brilliant post Moy. Does anyone know for sure whats going on as the rumours are getting out of hand altogether now?

I dunno. I think people should row back from this a little and let some concrete info come through from management and/or players. As far as I can see it's all speculation at the moment. I heard Dillon was unhappy at not being played in the semi final but there you go.  I'm sure he is too at not getting his chance but whether he would have made any difference or not is no more than speculation.

I assume nothing will come from management prior to the All Ireland itself. See how that pans out to see exactly where this team stands in relation to the so called top 2. After that I assume some sort of statement will be made with appointments etc if one is needed but I would be surprised to see one prior to that.

However one thing I don't like is the public hatred of this management.  That's why I put up that previous post as to what exactly people expect at the start of the championship season. And for every argument you want to make about calls the management team made I can easily make counter calls.  Also if If you want to have public outcry point it at the County Board. After all they appointed them and created this whole fiasco (big, small or whatever size it is) in the first place.

It's not about public hatred. There isn t any. Disillusionment maybe. Hatred, not at all.
However H&C were not shy about taking over one of the plum jobs in inter-county football. They had chums/family that basically meant that they had no rival for the position of Mayo manager/s. When you take/want to take on that responsibility, you do so with you're eyes wide open. Remember Paudi and his quote about ****** animals.

Look, I ve no doubt that big brother will circle the wagons and protect the 2 boys. That is the likely outcome. It's about saving face, control, status etc. It's not about wining an AI.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on September 16, 2015, 12:37:49 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2015, 12:20:14 AM
It's not about public hatred. There isn t any. Disillusionment maybe. Hatred, not at all.
However H&C were not shy about taking over one of the plum jobs in inter-county football. They had chums/family that basically meant that they had no rival for the position of Mayo manager/s. When you take/want to take on that responsibility, you do so with you're eyes wide open. Remember Paudi and his quote about ****** animals.

Look, I ve no doubt that big brother will circle the wagons and protect the 2 boys. That is the likely outcome. It's about saving face, control, status etc. It's not about wining an AI.

Is it or was it such a desired proposition? Remember there were only 2 candidates. Where were all the others who publicly (or privately) wished to take control? Also many  would say that this position was always doomed to failure. Taking on a team that had been so close and so tight in the past 4 years. And the expectations - All Ireland or bust - how many people would take on that as a pre-requisite?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 16, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 16, 2015, 12:37:49 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2015, 12:20:14 AM
It's not about public hatred. There isn t any. Disillusionment maybe. Hatred, not at all.
However H&C were not shy about taking over one of the plum jobs in inter-county football. They had chums/family that basically meant that they had no rival for the position of Mayo manager/s. When you take/want to take on that responsibility, you do so with you're eyes wide open. Remember Paudi and his quote about ****** animals.

Look, I ve no doubt that big brother will circle the wagons and protect the 2 boys. That is the likely outcome. It's about saving face, control, status etc. It's not about wining an AI.

Is it or was it such a desired proposition? Remember there were only 2 candidates. Where were all the others who publicly (or privately) wished to take control? Also many  would say that this position was always doomed to failure. Taking on a team that had been so close and so tight in the past 4 years. And the expectations - All Ireland or bust - how many people would take on that as a pre-requisite?

You' re joking about the desired proposition?

Of course it was All-Ireland or bust.
McStay had no problem expressing an interest in the challenge. Holmes after seemingly ruling himself out changed his mind and we ended up on Holmes/ Connelly ticket. It might have been all innocent but it stinks of sharp practice. Not saying that McStay would have done better but he was humiliated - we ll never know if he could have made a difference.  What we did know was that H&C would not.
I'm sure McStay is kicking himself that he was sucked into that maw of nepotism. Outgoing chairman acted the maggot and dismissed and ridiculed McStay's proposals to justify their shafting of a genuine candidate. 
Now current Chairman will use his position to keep the bro and Pat beyond reproach. That ll do them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on September 16, 2015, 09:48:45 AM
I don't know why Holmes changed his mind. McStay also had pre-requisites and by all accounts I have heard the County Board would not meet them. So they went after Holmes again because they needed someone else?

When did Noel Connelly come on board? Was he there in the initial approach with Holmes or did he come on board after? Anyway as everyone knows the whole interview scenario ended a farce.

But I would say that if anyone thinks they are going to resign (and Connelly should more so than Holmes imo. as there is a clear conflict of interest with his bro. being chairman) I think they should forget it. It's not going to happen unless there is some sort of player mass revolt and that would be a disaster either way.



Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 16, 2015, 09:56:48 AM
For me, unless the players want them out, they should get one more year. If they've, lost the dressing room, they should go.

Absolutely, the way they were appointed was a farce and I personally favoured McStay to get it. Mistakes were made this year but I would have taken retaining D1 status and getting to a SF at the beginning of the year.

if we get shut of them now and a new man comes in, what's the plan next year if we lose in Connacht / QF / SF?? Sack the manager again? Not a good road to go down
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 16, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2015, 09:56:48 AM
For me, unless the players want them out, they should get one more year. If they've, lost the dressing room, they should go.

Absolutely, the way they were appointed was a farce and I personally favoured McStay to get it. Mistakes were made this year but I would have taken retaining D1 status and getting to a SF at the beginning of the year.

if we get shut of them now and a new man comes in, what's the plan next year if we lose in Connacht / QF / SF?? Sack the manager again? Not a good road to go down

I think most of us agree that this team has 1 maybe 2 more years at the top where we can challenge for sam and then it will more than likely take a year or 2 of transition and we may well fall away again.The players know this thats why they want the best available management in place.H and C are not that management.The process of finding a new manager last autumn was a farce and now its coming back to bite the County board in the hole.They got their man in and thought it would all blow over but it left a sour taste and the players are not backing down.Fair play to the players if they are kicking off.If we ever win sam it will be in spite of the County board not because of them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
That's what Eamon Mongey said when Mayo last won Sam Dan!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on September 16, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 16, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2015, 09:56:48 AM
For me, unless the players want them out, they should get one more year. If they've, lost the dressing room, they should go.

Absolutely, the way they were appointed was a farce and I personally favoured McStay to get it. Mistakes were made this year but I would have taken retaining D1 status and getting to a SF at the beginning of the year.

if we get shut of them now and a new man comes in, what's the plan next year if we lose in Connacht / QF / SF?? Sack the manager again? Not a good road to go down

I think most of us agree that this team has 1 maybe 2 more years at the top where we can challenge for sam and then it will more than likely take a year or 2 of transition and we may well fall away again.The players know this thats why they want the best available management in place.H and C are not that management.The process of finding a new manager last autumn was a farce and now its coming back to bite the County board in the hole.They got their man in and thought it would all blow over but it left a sour taste and the players are not backing down.Fair play to the players if they are kicking off.If we ever win sam it will be in spite of the County board not because of them.

I'm afraid the days of Challenging for Sam with this group ended this year. We will float about the Quarter finals, Semi finals and we might even get to a final with next years draw. But Dublin and Kerry will be in the way with younger, bigger and more skillful squads and less burdened with failure and having to cross the line. Tough job for H & C really!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 16, 2015, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
That's what Eamon Mongey said when Mayo last won Sam Dan!

In fairness there was a 15 man selection committee back then. Could you imagine the meeting to pick the team for the Final?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 16, 2015, 08:23:10 PM
I see John Maughan has been nominated for u21 job. Michael Solan (brother of Barry) and Anthony McGarry the other nominees. Don't know anything about Solan but would hope he'd be more in touch with modern methods and tactics than the other two. If not him, then Maughan would be a better choice than McGarry anyway.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 16, 2015, 08:51:33 PM

McGarry is nothing if not persistent. I ll give him that anyway. Hasn t he been ran out of a couple of clubs down the years?

No nothing about Solan either.

Be nice to see a bit of a recovery at U21.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo 4 eva on September 16, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
Had many a battle with Michael Solan on the pitch around East Mayo.  He was a real leader on the pitch and always gave it 100%.  I think he managed the Ballagh seniors the last time they won the senior championship but im open to correction on that.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

It's bizarre. Why wouldn't he just say the whole friggin thing instead of this cryptic clue. What's this I see on WJ's blog about a letter sent to the CB?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

It's bizarre. Why wouldn't he just say the whole friggin thing instead of this cryptic clue. What's this I see on WJ's blog about a letter sent to the CB?
God knows but I'd say it's fair to say something is rumbling.....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 16, 2015, 10:59:59 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

It's bizarre. Why wouldn't he just say the whole friggin thing instead of this cryptic clue. What's this I see on WJ's blog about a letter sent to the CB?

The expected loss of Buckley and Solan may be bringing this to a head.
God knows but I'd say it's fair to say something is rumbling.....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 11:02:10 PM
Apparently the players sent an email to the county board. Whether the CB replied in kind for Aido's tweet to go out is moot at this point. But I'm ruling nothing out.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayoman dan on September 16, 2015, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 11:02:10 PM
Apparently the players sent an email to the county board. Whether the CB replied in kind for Aido's tweet to go out is moot at this point. But I'm ruling nothing out.

If the players sent an e-mail or letter then managements position is untenable.I have nothing against Pat Holmes or Noel Connelly but there the wrong men in the right place.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 16, 2015, 11:09:22 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 16, 2015, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2015, 11:02:10 PM
Apparently the players sent an email to the county board. Whether the CB replied in kind for Aido's tweet to go out is moot at this point. But I'm ruling nothing out.

If the players sent an e-mail or letter then managements position is untenable.I have nothing against Pat Holmes or Noel Connelly but there the wrong men in the right place.

Agreed, if they've lost the dressing room, they can forget about it
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

The first visible cracks - nay fractures - were there 6 months ago.

Send for The Wolf to clean up this mess as quickly as possible. Loads of coffee, cream and sugar needed now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmRTjLRMfU
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on September 17, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

The first visible cracks - nay fractures - were there 6 months ago.

Send for The Wolf to clean up this mess as quickly as possible. Loads of coffee, cream and sugar needed now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmRTjLRMfU

So what's the solution Moy?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 17, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

The first visible cracks - nay fractures - were there 6 months ago.

Send for The Wolf to clean up this mess as quickly as possible. Loads of coffee, cream and sugar needed now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmRTjLRMfU

So what's the solution Moy?

It's damage limitation now. We all have egos and H&C can tough it out with the backing of the board.

But what then? They never seemed to have the confidence of the players and that is not going to change is it? It's all over for them.

They should be old enough and wise enough to do the right thing and not drag it out. This situation is beyond rescue. Sometimes you have to walk away without causing a fuss.

This 'issue' did not happen because we lost to Dublin. Neither was it inevitable once we went out. This has been festering from the start.

It's done - one way or another. It's not like they are on a contract and hang around to be paid off.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on September 17, 2015, 09:44:08 AM
This can't end well now in any scenario.

Management are holed under the waterline, and a new alternative is not apparent at the level that the players seem to expect. Even if they step aside gracefully, the new man/men will inherit a squad with some very firm ideas about where we go from here.

Players will be seen as troublemakers and the national media will have no problems pointing out their own shortcomings. Player power is still frowned upon and feared within the GAA inner circles.

It could all get very messy, and when you add a county board led by the managers brother, we have the recipe for a very bitter and vindictive battle.

Does anyone have Kieran Mulveys number?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on September 17, 2015, 12:34:38 PM
According to The Mayo News, H&C seem confident both Buckley and Solan will remain part of mgmt for next year.

But look who nominated John Maughan for the U21 job - the co board executive!
And look at who will be carrying out the interviews for the role - 3 members of the co board executive!!
McGarry and Solan must feel like not showing up at all.

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22748:donie-buckley-set-to-stay-on-with-mayo&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22748:donie-buckley-set-to-stay-on-with-mayo&catid=14&Itemid=100008)

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DONIE Buckley looks set to remain as Mayo senior football team coach for 2016.
Chairman Mike Connelly told Wednesday's meeting of Mayo GAA Board that team managers Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly 'don't foresee any change to the back-room team' for next year, which suggests the Ennis-based coach will be staying on in his position.
Buckley, a native of county Kerry, has been coaching the county senior squad for the last three seasons.
The chairman reiterated that everybody involved – players, management, back-room team and County Board – is 'going to have to look at how to do better' in 2016.
The update came in the course of Connelly's Executive report, which prompted no questions from delegates.
The meeting came a day after Irish Independent reported that there was 'strong speculation' that the Kerry native 'will bring an end to his Mayo involvement'.
Delegates at the meeting – held at MacHale Park, Castlebar – also backed Enda Gilvarry to continue as Mayo minor football team manager for a fourth season.
A proposal that the Killala clubman remain in the position got more support than a separate proposal calling for nominations for the position to be sought from clubs.
In a note read out to delegates by County Board secretary Vincent Neary, Gilvarry revealed that he had met and agreed a new back-room team for 2016: Daniel Forde (Ballycastle, trainer), Pat Kelly (Kilmaine), Brian McLoughlin (Burrishoole) and Damien Gavin (Swinford). He also indicated that he would manage an under-17 squad in 2016.
Finally, John Maughan has emerged as a late entrant in the race to succeed Niall Heffernan as Mayo under-21 football manager.
The Mayo News understands that the former Mayo senior boss was nominated for the position by the County Board executive.
Maughan, who is currently involved in a coaching capacity with the Achill footballers, is one of three candidates for the position, alongside Ballaghaderreen's Michael Solan and former Mayo defender Anthony McGarry.
All three are due to be interviewed by a committee that includes Mayo GAA Board secretary Vincent Neary, two other members of the County Board Executive, and an outside specialist in human resources.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on September 17, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:43:27 AM
It's damage limitation now. We all have egos and H&C can tough it out with the backing of the board.

But what then? They never seemed to have the confidence of the players and that is not going to change is it? It's all over for them.

They should be old enough and wise enough to do the right thing and not drag it out. This situation is beyond rescue. Sometimes you have to walk away without causing a fuss.

This 'issue' did not happen because we lost to Dublin. Neither was it inevitable once we went out. This has been festering from the start.

It's done - one way or another. It's not like they are on a contract and hang around to be paid off.

Hang on now. Have you any concrete evidence of that? Personally I didn't hear anything coming out of the camp during this year to say there was dissatisfaction with the current management. Was there something I missed?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Ballaghman on September 17, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 17, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2015, 10:37:57 PM
Tweet from AO'S on Twitter this evening. "Logic and @MayoGaa rarely go together".

First visible cracks???

The first visible cracks - nay fractures - were there 6 months ago.

Send for The Wolf to clean up this mess as quickly as possible. Loads of coffee, cream and sugar needed now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmRTjLRMfU

So what's the solution Moy?

It's damage limitation now. We all have egos and H&C can tough it out with the backing of the board.

But what then? They never seemed to have the confidence of the players and that is not going to change is it? It's all over for them.

They should be old enough and wise enough to do the right thing and not drag it out. This situation is beyond rescue. Sometimes you have to walk away without causing a fuss.

This 'issue' did not happen because we lost to Dublin. Neither was it inevitable once we went out. This has been festering from the start.

It's done - one way or another. It's not like they are on a contract and hang around to be paid off.

What's all this based on Moy? The group has been seriously tight lipped all year. We've heard rumours but any one I've talked to that's close(ish) to the set up didn't give a thing away all year. I don't expect you to name sources but are you making these comments based on concrete evidence/sources?  Or, is just hearsay or because you personally want to see H & C get road?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on September 17, 2015, 07:47:56 PM
I have heard of the odd row at training during the year, but nothing out of the ordinary.

I don't know Noel, but I honestly can't see Pat staying on if he is clearly not wanted by either players or anyone else. If he does stay it would indicate to me that there is no heave against them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2015, 10:37:14 PM
Aiden O'Shea isn't helping anything with that tweet. This is stand up and be counted time. The leaders on the team have to lead now. If they want to back Pat and Noel, fine. Let them back Pat and Noel, and tell fellas bitching to put up or shut up.

But if the leaders on the team want Pat and Noel gone, then they need to come out and say so, and damn the consequences. If Pat and Noel go, then only Horan can take over. There's no getting-to-know-you stuff then - everyone knows what's going on, and everyone knows that 2016 is shit-or-bust.

What they can't do is be neither one thing or the other. If they're tolerating Pat and Noel but not really listening to them then nobody is really in charge and back to mediocrity they slide. Die dog or shite the license time for those boys now. I hope God gives them guidance. It's no easy decision to make.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 17, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2015, 10:37:14 PM
Aiden O'Shea isn't helping anything with that tweet. This is stand up and be counted time. The leaders on the team have to lead now. If they want to back Pat and Noel, fine. Let them back Pat and Noel, and tell fellas bitching to put up or shut up.

But if the leaders on the team want Pat and Noel gone, then they need to come out and say so, and damn the consequences. If Pat and Noel go, then only Horan can take over. There's no getting-to-know-you stuff then - everyone knows what's going on, and everyone knows that 2016 is shit-or-bust.

What they can't do is be neither one thing or the other. If they're tolerating Pat and Noel but not really listening to them then nobody is really in charge and back to mediocrity they slide. Die dog or shite the license time for those boys now. I hope God gives them guidance. It's no easy decision to make.

Aidan's father was on a ticket (with Alan Dillon I m told?) that were interested in challenging for the minor job. For some reason delegates at the meeting voted in favour of returning Enda rather than seek more nominations. I dunno. Enda won an AI and maybe deserves a bit of slack but maybe there is something to be said for looking at other options. I suspect that Aidan was more likely to be commenting on that scenario. Aidan maybe should not have tweeted anyway.

It looks like H&C will continue. The chairman has played a blinder circling the wagons around the management and letting the dust settle. As I said earlier the ball is in management's court. A player revolt is a no no. It's a case of you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't. But really they don t. Player revolt never ends well. They have no choice but to suck it up and get on with it now.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2015, 07:12:23 AM
Is Buckley staying on, or is the CB chairman hopeful he'll stay on? Two different things surely.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2015, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2015, 10:37:14 PM
Aiden O'Shea isn't helping anything with that tweet. This is stand up and be counted time. The leaders on the team have to lead now. If they want to back Pat and Noel, fine. Let them back Pat and Noel, and tell fellas bitching to put up or shut up.

But if the leaders on the team want Pat and Noel gone, then they need to come out and say so, and damn the consequences. If Pat and Noel go, then only Horan can take over. There's no getting-to-know-you stuff then - everyone knows what's going on, and everyone knows that 2016 is shit-or-bust.

What they can't do is be neither one thing or the other. If they're tolerating Pat and Noel but not really listening to them then nobody is really in charge and back to mediocrity they slide. Die dog or shite the license time for those boys now. I hope God gives them guidance. It's no easy decision to make.

Aidan's father was on a ticket (with Alan Dillon I m told?) that were interested in challenging for the minor job. For some reason delegates at the meeting voted in favour of returning Enda rather than seek more nominations. I dunno. Enda won an AI and maybe deserves a bit of slack but maybe there is something to be said for looking at other options. I suspect that Aidan was more likely to be commenting on that scenario. Aidan maybe should not have tweeted anyway.

It looks like H&C will continue. The chairman has played a blinder circling the wagons around the management and letting the dust settle. As I said earlier the ball is in management's court. A player revolt is a no no. It's a case of you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't. But really they don t. Player revolt never ends well. They have no choice but to suck it up and get on with it now.

On a point of information, player revolts seldom end well, but it's not accurate to say they never end well. The Offaly hurlers rebelled against Babs Keating in 1998 and went on to win the All-Ireland.

It's about the leaders in the group now. They have to decide what they want to do and commit to that course of action. The worst-case scenario is for them to think "musha, same old Mayo," and go through the motions. If they start thinking like that it'll be the end of them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 18, 2015, 11:55:49 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2015, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2015, 10:37:14 PM
Aiden O'Shea isn't helping anything with that tweet. This is stand up and be counted time. The leaders on the team have to lead now. If they want to back Pat and Noel, fine. Let them back Pat and Noel, and tell fellas bitching to put up or shut up.

But if the leaders on the team want Pat and Noel gone, then they need to come out and say so, and damn the consequences. If Pat and Noel go, then only Horan can take over. There's no getting-to-know-you stuff then - everyone knows what's going on, and everyone knows that 2016 is shit-or-bust.

What they can't do is be neither one thing or the other. If they're tolerating Pat and Noel but not really listening to them then nobody is really in charge and back to mediocrity they slide. Die dog or shite the license time for those boys now. I hope God gives them guidance. It's no easy decision to make.

Aidan's father was on a ticket (with Alan Dillon I m told?) that were interested in challenging for the minor job. For some reason delegates at the meeting voted in favour of returning Enda rather than seek more nominations. I dunno. Enda won an AI and maybe deserves a bit of slack but maybe there is something to be said for looking at other options. I suspect that Aidan was more likely to be commenting on that scenario. Aidan maybe should not have tweeted anyway.

It looks like H&C will continue. The chairman has played a blinder circling the wagons around the management and letting the dust settle. As I said earlier the ball is in management's court. A player revolt is a no no. It's a case of you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't. But really they don t. Player revolt never ends well. They have no choice but to suck it up and get on with it now.

On a point of information, player revolts seldom end well, but it's not accurate to say they never end well. The Offaly hurlers rebelled against Babs Keating in 1998 and went on to win the All-Ireland.

It's about the leaders in the group now. They have to decide what they want to do and commit to that course of action. The worst-case scenario is for them to think "musha, same old Mayo," and go through the motions. If they start thinking like that it'll be the end of them.

Perhaps Offaly were the exception that proves the rule. That rumpus happened in the middle of championship iirc. I heard Michael Duignan talking about that one. Great craic altogether. I don t think Bond would be considered a coach but the lads seemed to lay off the sauce a bit and cop on a bit. Then they got a lifeline when Jimmy Cooney's watch wasn t calibrated right and the rest is history and fair play to them. But Cork revolts did not work out to well and our car-push putsch in 92 didn t end well either.

I don t think its realistic to expect players to instigate change. There was no tough questions from club delegates - unlike say '06, when lads were planted to get rid of Moran and get Johnno in. The people who own the game in the county have different agenda than current players and supporters.

The players and the fans now have no option but suck it up. Of course nobody is forced to play or go to games if they don t want.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2015, 02:13:49 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 17, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:43:27 AM
It's damage limitation now. We all have egos and H&C can tough it out with the backing of the board.

But what then? They never seemed to have the confidence of the players and that is not going to change is it? It's all over for them.

They should be old enough and wise enough to do the right thing and not drag it out. This situation is beyond rescue. Sometimes you have to walk away without causing a fuss.

This 'issue' did not happen because we lost to Dublin. Neither was it inevitable once we went out. This has been festering from the start.

It's done - one way or another. It's not like they are on a contract and hang around to be paid off.

Hang on now. Have you any concrete evidence of that? Personally I didn't hear anything coming out of the camp during this year to say there was dissatisfaction with the current management. Was there something I missed?
There sure was. Think back to the league game against Dublin earlier this year. The display was the worst I can recall ever seeing.
There was most definitely some trouble stirring in the camp. James Horan referred to this in his column where he said that Buckley should stand up and be counted. (At least I think it was Buckley; might have been Solan.)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 20, 2015, 01:12:23 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2015, 02:13:49 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 17, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2015, 12:43:27 AM
It's damage limitation now. We all have egos and H&C can tough it out with the backing of the board.

But what then? They never seemed to have the confidence of the players and that is not going to change is it? It's all over for them.

They should be old enough and wise enough to do the right thing and not drag it out. This situation is beyond rescue. Sometimes you have to walk away without causing a fuss.

This 'issue' did not happen because we lost to Dublin. Neither was it inevitable once we went out. This has been festering from the start.

It's done - one way or another. It's not like they are on a contract and hang around to be paid off.

Hang on now. Have you any concrete evidence of that? Personally I didn't hear anything coming out of the camp during this year to say there was dissatisfaction with the current management. Was there something I missed?
There sure was. Think back to the league game against Dublin earlier this year. The display was the worst I can recall ever seeing.
There was most definitely some trouble stirring in the camp. James Horan referred to this in his column where he said that Buckley should stand up and be counted. (At least I think it was Buckley; might have been Solan.)

It was Buckley Lar. And it was an extraordinary remark. Shocking stuff really.

An analogy. It's like The Speaker of The House of Representatives taking charge of USA in a crisis while the President and Vice President are still aroundl but were disfunctional. You can decide who is President and Vice -President between Pateen and Nole yerself.
It seems that Buckley was the sticky tape that held the season together.


Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2015, 07:12:23 AM
Is Buckley staying on, or is the CB chairman hopeful he'll stay on? Two different things surely.

Spot on. Probably the most relevant post on this issue. Spin,spin spin. Maybe Buckey stays on as the sticky tape. So what? Maybe we ll hear in a few weeks time that he is not back. By then nobody is paying any attention. I wouldn t be surprised if he has decided to move on but persuaded to keep shut for a while to give H&C more breathing space. 

At the end of the day he is the drill monkey. Harsh maybe but likes of Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Tyrone don't depend on a member of background staff to keep the show on the road.







Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on September 20, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
Not sure how anybody could come to the conclusion that Buckly was running the show all year with no evidence .Talk about adding 2 plus 2 and coming up with 8.Just wish Sweeney had taken his chance the first day v Dublin and  I would  be in the capital right now dreaming of glory tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 20, 2015, 03:55:57 PM
Was talking to a Kerryman last night who knows Buckley and he reckons he is definitely gone
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 20, 2015, 11:46:59 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 20, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
Not sure how anybody could come to the conclusion that Buckly was running the show all year with no evidence .Talk about adding 2 plus 2 and coming up with 8.Just wish Sweeney had taken his chance the first day v Dublin and  I would  be in the capital right now dreaming of glory tomorrow  :)

Who said Buckley was running the show?

Being sticky tape and 'keeping the show on the road' a different scenario.

Evidence? We ll have to wait until House of Pain vol.2 and the retro of retired players to get the picture.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Chimley on September 21, 2015, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 20, 2015, 03:55:57 PM
Was talking to a Kerryman last night who knows Buckley and he reckons he is definitely gone

If that is the case then the narrative is being prepared on a drip drip basis.

1 The entire team will remain in place for 2016.
2. We believe that the entire team will carry on in 2026.
3. It is our hope that the Donie will continue with us in 2016.
4. Meet Johnny. He brings a wealth of experience and has trained Hollymount U8s in the past.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 28, 2015, 11:21:29 PM
Quote from: Chimley on September 21, 2015, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 20, 2015, 03:55:57 PM
Was talking to a Kerryman last night who knows Buckley and he reckons he is definitely gone

If that is the case then the narrative is being prepared on a drip drip basis.

1 The entire team will remain in place for 2016.
2. We believe that the entire team will carry on in 2026.
3. It is our hope that the Donie will continue with us in 2016.
4. Meet Johnny. He brings a wealth of experience and has trained Hollymount U8s in the past.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 28, 2015, 11:35:27 PM
If the story in the Connacht telegraph is true, it's time for the lads to pack their bags. If the players have lost faith in them, they're finished. The longer this drags on, the messier it gets.

Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on September 29, 2015, 12:35:06 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 28, 2015, 11:35:27 PM
If the story in the Connacht telegraph is true, it's time for the lads to pack their bags. If the players have lost faith in them, they're finished. The longer this drags on, the messier it gets.

They should have walked as soon as the season ended. What's wrong with some people when they don't realise that the game is up and no way out. Instead they drag it out to this sorry mess. They lost the plot and the team as far back as March/April and never had any stamp on things anyway. How could they? Joint managers ffs
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: skeog on September 29, 2015, 11:40:57 AM
you only think you have problems in mayo see jim mc guinness devoting a full page in todays irish times about a holiday voucher that hadnt arrived be a bucket collection outside parkhead at the weekend
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 29, 2015, 05:14:27 PM
Apparently Marty has an interview with M Connelly on the 6 o'clock news. It'll be interesting to hear what the spin is.

From what he said on radio, the mgmt asked for reasons for the vote of no confidence but were given none. A fair enough request imo albeit not something which could change the outcome. The vote was 27-7 so pretty decisive.

Also made it sound like there was quite a bit of shock and anger in the county at this move. Complete BS from what I can see.

Players reps supposedly meeting the CB on Thursday.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on September 30, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
Any word on the U21 manager? I think I read somewhere it was to be decided last night?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 05, 2015, 09:34:39 AM
Bringing this back here to avoid some of the sh*te in the thread on the main board.

Who are we looking at for the next manager?

Horan II – unless he's learned something in his year off, probably not a good idea. CB unlikely to want to entertain his demands anyway
Rochford – a bit of a gamble but probably worth it IMO
Maughan III – the least preferred option for me
Kearney – only throwing his name in here cos he always seems to be mentioned

Outsiders:
McGuinness – I wouldn't be surprised if he'd have some interest in the challenge of bridging the gap but unlikely to give up a professional career with Celtic
Buckley – unproven and would he want to make the transition from coach to manager? With O'Neill gone from Kerry, I'd bet he'll be back in there
O'Connor – guaranteed not to be interested as he's Kerry U21 manager and has his eyes on the top job there in a couple of years but in an ideal world, he'd be my choice
McEntee – would be an interesting appointment if he teamed up with someone from inside the county (e.g. Nallen). Is he involved with anyone now?
Canavan – didn't achieve much with Fermanagh, could prove to be another Jack O'Shea

No real standout candidate but the bookies had Rochford & Horan as the two front runners last week
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
James Horan's piece in the "Western" seemed to give unqualified backing to the players. I'd say that it's his to take if he wants it. The big question is what has he learned to add to the mix from last year? A second question would be the demands that he has and the desire/ability of the CB to meet them.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
James Horan's piece in the "Western" seemed to give unqualified backing to the players. I'd say that it's his to take if he wants it. The big question is what has he learned to add to the mix from last year? A second question would be the demands that he has and the desire/ability of the CB to meet them.

Thats a big point and one that was certainly a sticky point all year for the players. Is the money there to guarantee the standards that the players want?   
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
James Horan's piece in the "Western" seemed to give unqualified backing to the players. I'd say that it's his to take if he wants it. The big question is what has he learned to add to the mix from last year? A second question would be the demands that he has and the desire/ability of the CB to meet them.

Thats a big point and one that was certainly a sticky point all year for the players. Is the money there to guarantee the standards that the players want?

Was there such a difference between what was happening this year and the structures that James Horan had in place?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
James Horan's piece in the "Western" seemed to give unqualified backing to the players. I'd say that it's his to take if he wants it. The big question is what has he learned to add to the mix from last year? A second question would be the demands that he has and the desire/ability of the CB to meet them.

Thats a big point and one that was certainly a sticky point all year for the players. Is the money there to guarantee the standards that the players want?

Was there such a difference between what was happening this year and the structures that James Horan had in place?

CB had cost saving measures in all year I think.
From fewer sandwiches at training right up to not having full panels travel on match days. As they said in the papers it was death by a thousand cuts but at the CB end of it was the issue of monetary consumption.

I assume its also one of the reason Mike Connolly was directly involved with the players as a mediator and also a reason why his bro and PH were put there in the first place instead of the Ross alternative.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
James Horan's piece in the "Western" seemed to give unqualified backing to the players. I'd say that it's his to take if he wants it. The big question is what has he learned to add to the mix from last year? A second question would be the demands that he has and the desire/ability of the CB to meet them.

Thats a big point and one that was certainly a sticky point all year for the players. Is the money there to guarantee the standards that the players want?

Was there such a difference between what was happening this year and the structures that James Horan had in place?

CB had cost saving measures in all year I think.
From fewer sandwiches at training right up to not having full panels travel on match days. As they said in the papers it was death by a thousand cuts but at the CB end of it was the issue of monetary consumption.

I assume its also one of the reason Mike Connolly was directly involved with the players as a mediator and also a reason why his bro and PH were put there in the first place instead of the Ross alternative.

First of all I wonder how much that stuff would have saved? I d also have doubts that it was fewer sandwiches and other cutbacks that was the substantive cause of dissatisfaction.

Still going cheap will get us nowhere. Going back on standards Horan put in place short-sighted imo. Ye cant go back or cut-back. No sport goes backwards. The board have a top 3 team on their hands and their priority should be getting to no.1 but it wont come cheap.
I dunno but are Mayo as well marketed as it could be? A team that gets as much exposure as it does has to be attractive. Also a lot of Mayo people around the world that could be a source of funds. But people are more likely to get on board if they think the board is functional and ambitious. The events of recent weeks would not encourage people to put their hands in their pockets.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo.mick on October 05, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 05, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
James Horan's piece in the "Western" seemed to give unqualified backing to the players. I'd say that it's his to take if he wants it. The big question is what has he learned to add to the mix from last year? A second question would be the demands that he has and the desire/ability of the CB to meet them.

Thats a big point and one that was certainly a sticky point all year for the players. Is the money there to guarantee the standards that the players want?

Was there such a difference between what was happening this year and the structures that James Horan had in place?

CB had cost saving measures in all year I think.
From fewer sandwiches at training right up to not having full panels travel on match days. As they said in the papers it was death by a thousand cuts but at the CB end of it was the issue of monetary consumption.

I assume its also one of the reason Mike Connolly was directly involved with the players as a mediator and also a reason why his bro and PH were put there in the first place instead of the Ross alternative.

First of all I wonder how much that stuff would have saved? I d also have doubts that it was fewer sandwiches and other cutbacks that was the substantive cause of dissatisfaction.

Still going cheap will get us nowhere. Going back on standards Horan put in place short-sighted imo. Ye cant go back or cut-back. No sport goes backwards. The board have a top 3 team on their hands and their priority should be getting to no.1 but it wont come cheap.
I dunno but are Mayo as well marketed as it could be? A team that gets as much exposure as it does has to be attractive. Also a lot of Mayo people around the world that could be a source of funds. But people are more likely to get on board if they think the board is functional and ambitious. The events of recent weeks would not encourage people to put their hands in their pockets.

The antics of the county board buck last year in Connollys in New York, did his best to dip into the supporters pockets!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on October 06, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:57:58 PM

First of all I wonder how much that stuff would have saved? I d also have doubts that it was fewer sandwiches and other cutbacks that was the substantive cause of dissatisfaction.

Still going cheap will get us nowhere. Going back on standards Horan put in place short-sighted imo. Ye cant go back or cut-back. No sport goes backwards. The board have a top 3 team on their hands and their priority should be getting to no.1 but it wont come cheap.
I dunno but are Mayo as well marketed as it could be? A team that gets as much exposure as it does has to be attractive. Also a lot of Mayo people around the world that could be a source of funds. But people are more likely to get on board if they think the board is functional and ambitious. The events of recent weeks would not encourage people to put their hands in their pockets.

Well you have to look at it from both sides. First of all I think it's fair to say that both sides want to win the All Ireland. But at what cost?

From the players side they want every stone  turned in order to achieve that objective and if that requires so many extra ounces of gold to complete then so be it. They are not worried about costs. The goal is all that concerns them.

On the other hand the CB also wants this goal but at the same time does not want to go bankrupt in the strive for it. They look at it more pragmatically and say there is no guarantee that this bunch of players will win the  All Ireland even if Fort Knox was thrown at them. They have other financial commitments as well - i.e. through all grades within the County . Plus they don't have the financial clout of Dublin or Kerry so have to be more cautious.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on October 06, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on October 06, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2015, 09:57:58 PM

First of all I wonder how much that stuff would have saved? I d also have doubts that it was fewer sandwiches and other cutbacks that was the substantive cause of dissatisfaction.

Still going cheap will get us nowhere. Going back on standards Horan put in place short-sighted imo. Ye cant go back or cut-back. No sport goes backwards. The board have a top 3 team on their hands and their priority should be getting to no.1 but it wont come cheap.
I dunno but are Mayo as well marketed as it could be? A team that gets as much exposure as it does has to be attractive. Also a lot of Mayo people around the world that could be a source of funds. But people are more likely to get on board if they think the board is functional and ambitious. The events of recent weeks would not encourage people to put their hands in their pockets.

Well you have to look at it from both sides. First of all I think it's fair to say that both sides want to win the All Ireland. But at what cost?

From the players side they want every stone  turned in order to achieve that objective and if that requires so many extra ounces of gold to complete then so be it. They are not worried about costs. The goal is all that concerns them.

On the other hand the CB also wants this goal but at the same time does not want to go bankrupt in the strive for it. They look at it more pragmatically and say there is no guarantee that this bunch of players will win the  All Ireland even if Fort Knox was thrown at them. They have other financial commitments as well - i.e. through all grades within the County . Plus they don't have the financial clout of Dublin or Kerry so have to be more cautious.

Totally fair argument put forward Nihilist but what about the performance of both sides. The players have failed on the pitch in the big game but by small margins (poor shot selection, lapses of concentration, tactical naivety etc..) but the have maintained a high standard bringing them nearer to their goal. You could argue that some of the reasons they have failed might be out of their hands i.e. the quality of the opposition and unlucky injuries at the worst times. 5 Connacht titles in a row and maintaining division one status are huge achievements during their time.

Now let look at the county boards performance during this time. They have put in place successful managements (Horan, Gilvarry, H&C at U21's ) redeveloped the McHale Park stand , restructured the McHale debt and implemented the Chairde Mhaigh Eo ticket scheme. During this time though the spent and borrowed way to much money for the McHale park redevelopment  treating it like a vanity political project , they have failed miserably in the simple task of appointing the county management team last year, there is still no transparency in to how the accounts of the County are kept and where the money is spent. The total failure to tap into the large ex pat community abroad and the business community in Mayo in any professional or meaningful way to develop the revenues of the county , the heavy handed and brutal pressure put on clubs when looking for contributions to help running the county allied with very little in the way of help coming the other way to develop the clubs be it facilities or coaching and the farcical nature of the missing 3000/4000 tickets from our allocation in 2012 , biscuit tins on the door in New York (I witnessed this with my own eyes) , the charging of children to wear green and red in school in the run up to the All Ireland in 2012 (should have been a voluntary contribution) and the failure to implement the strategic plan purely because of the Financial transparency part of the plan!!!

If this was a workplace assessment of performance the players would in my view be giving a positive grade on their efforts to achieve their goals whereas the Co Board would be under a lot of scrutiny if not in fear of their jobs!!!

I do think with the right environment we easily have the Financial Clout of Kerry or Dublin to compete. Think of the amount of very successful ex pats in New York or Chicago alone who would love nothing more to give a little to the Mayo cause or take someone like McHale Farm Machinery ( the biggest independent farm Machinery manufacturer in the world at present) based in Mayo who might contribute if approached in a professional manner but they won't unless they feel the money is part of an overall long term plan to improve the fortunes of All levels of Mayo football ( not to pay for the mistakes of foolhardy vanity projects) and certainly won't invest money into a body that fails to publish a proper set of comprehensive accounts into the financial going ons of the Co Board!!!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
Think the county board feel obliged to deal with Elverys at present as Elverys were there in the no so great days after genfit. I'd say the sponsorship is nothing compared to Kerry group or AIG deals even taking into account Kerry/Dublin population/success.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on October 06, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
Think the county board feel obliged to deal with Elverys at present as Elverys were there in the no so great days after genfit. I'd say the sponsorship is nothing compared to Kerry group or AIG deals even taking into account Kerry/Dublin population/success.

I hear ya but if maximising the money to run football and hurling at all levels is what the Board are worried about then sentiment can't come into it.
There is a huge interest in the county team especially and it wouldn't take too much imagination to develop a large amount of revenue from this interest. Unfortunately outside of charide Mhaigh Eo and the tea , kikatt and sangwhiches sold form the shop in the stand , there doesn't seem to be much of plan when it comes to revenue for the county and clubs!!!
We probably need a full time commercial director/financial director as well as a full time county secretary/administrator to run all these affairs properly.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Anybody read Daniel Carey's piece in the Mayo NEws on 'Where are they Now?' on the 2013 minor team? The amount of groin, hip and knee injuries is frightening to say the least. Anybody know the reason why there are so many injuries among them?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 06, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 06, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
Think the county board feel obliged to deal with Elverys at present as Elverys were there in the no so great days after genfit. I'd say the sponsorship is nothing compared to Kerry group or AIG deals even taking into account Kerry/Dublin population/success.

I hear ya but if maximising the money to run football and hurling at all levels is what the Board are worried about then sentiment can't come into it.
There is a huge interest in the county team especially and it wouldn't take too much imagination to develop a large amount of revenue from this interest. Unfortunately outside of charide Mhaigh Eo and the tea , kikatt and sangwhiches sold form the shop in the stand , there doesn't seem to be much of plan when it comes to revenue for the county and clubs!!!
We probably need a full time commercial director/financial director as well as a full time county secretary/administrator to run all these affairs properly.

Agree. Ye got a scenario where the players are approaching professional level as regards preparation.

Then ye hear that stuff about biscuit tins and stuff.

I ve no idea what Elvery's sponsorship is worth but sentiment can t come into it if a better sponsorship deal can be done. Advertising on tv isn't cheap. Over the last 5 years few teams in Irish sport has got the exposure that Mayo has.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Anybody read Daniel Carey's piece in the Mayo NEws on 'Where are they Now?' on the 2013 minor team? The amount of groin, hip and knee injuries is frightening to say the least. Anybody know the reason why there are so many injuries among them?
Yep.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on October 06, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Anybody read Daniel Carey's piece in the Mayo NEws on 'Where are they Now?' on the 2013 minor team? The amount of groin, hip and knee injuries is frightening to say the least. Anybody know the reason why there are so many injuries among them?
Yep.

It called treating growing lads like men. Or replace treating with training.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on October 06, 2015, 11:51:09 PM

I agree about the "under" performance of the CB. Sure that's where all the blame lies with H&C in the overall scheme of things.

But very little criticism has been leveled in that direction or will be. Personally speaking I read those leakages to the Connaught Telegraph  and whereas some people assume they came directly from management personally I assume they came directly from within the current board. I think there is a strong mentality there to be in control all the time and they don't want anyone interfering with that.

However that comes back then onto clubs as this is where the board come from. And probably several strong personalities within the County who engineer the election and re-election of the same or similar cohorts year after year. Indeed there is no doubting their cunning. But i don't see them as capable of having the overall best interests of the fans or players at heart.

A lot of it is simply personal ambition and power. 
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: FL/MAYO on October 07, 2015, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 06, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Anybody read Daniel Carey's piece in the Mayo NEws on 'Where are they Now?' on the 2013 minor team? The amount of groin, hip and knee injuries is frightening to say the least. Anybody know the reason why there are so many injuries among them?
Yep.

It called treating growing lads like men. Or replace treating with training.

I believe this is why none of the Claremorris lads joined the panel this year. From what I'm told they have a few good players that would have probably made the team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on October 07, 2015, 08:44:06 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on October 07, 2015, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 06, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Anybody read Daniel Carey's piece in the Mayo NEws on 'Where are they Now?' on the 2013 minor team? The amount of groin, hip and knee injuries is frightening to say the least. Anybody know the reason why there are so many injuries among them?
Yep.

It called treating growing lads like men. Or replace treating with training.

I believe this is why none of the Claremorris lads joined the panel this year. From what I'm told they have a few good players that would have probably made the team.

What a tough choice to have to make? Hard to turn down (probably) the (only) opportunity to play for you county. In order to safe guard your future health. (Can't believe I'm saying this but) Fair Dues to Claremorris for putting player welfare first. It's a thing not many individuals or clubs do.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 07, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Interestingly, Mayo's odds for 2016 have been shortened from 6/1 to 5/1 since the heave
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 07, 2015, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 06, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
Think the county board feel obliged to deal with Elverys at present as Elverys were there in the no so great days after genfit. I'd say the sponsorship is nothing compared to Kerry group or AIG deals even taking into account Kerry/Dublin population/success.

I hear ya but if maximising the money to run football and hurling at all levels is what the Board are worried about then sentiment can't come into it.

The Mayo deal with Elverys was one of the best in the country when signed and I don't think that it has reduced any over the past few years. Its a structured system with elevated payments depending on progress. When you consider where we've been in the past few years it's hard to think that it didn't deliver well. In addition to cash it has the beauty of delivering gear etc to players over and above and while in Mayo control the sponsors were never found wanting. It is not easy getting a major sponsor and in general companies who sponsor have a local link. Sentiment doesn't come into it on either side. This is one area in which Mayo CB has been ahead of the curve. Overall Mayo's finances are an open book and accounts at year end are detailed and easily read even by a non-accountant like me. The only figures not quoted are individual or company donations/sponsorship and individual payments to players etc. and that is normal practice in all counties and clubs.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Crete Boom on October 07, 2015, 10:34:46 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 07, 2015, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 06, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
Think the county board feel obliged to deal with Elverys at present as Elverys were there in the no so great days after genfit. I'd say the sponsorship is nothing compared to Kerry group or AIG deals even taking into account Kerry/Dublin population/success.

I hear ya but if maximising the money to run football and hurling at all levels is what the Board are worried about then sentiment can't come into it.

The Mayo deal with Elverys was one of the best in the country when signed and I don't think that it has reduced any over the past few years. Its a structured system with elevated payments depending on progress. When you consider where we've been in the past few years it's hard to think that it didn't deliver well. In addition to cash it has the beauty of delivering gear etc to players over and above and while in Mayo control the sponsors were never found wanting. It is not easy getting a major sponsor and in general companies who sponsor have a local link. Sentiment doesn't come into it on either side. This is one area in which Mayo CB has been ahead of the curve. Overall Mayo's finances are an open book and accounts at year end are detailed and easily read even by a non-accountant like me. The only figures not quoted are individual or company donations/sponsorship and individual payments to players etc. and that is normal practice in all counties and clubs.

I am an accountant and the firm I work for has prepared accounts for a good few clubs over the years and I can honestly say the Mayo accounts are far from an open book. If I was asked to sign off on these accounts I would be very nervous of an audit. They are very vague (on purpose in my opinion)with regard to actual capital costs and the assets are vastly over valued which skew the actual financial position of the Co finances.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on October 20, 2015, 11:48:59 PM
Wondering what people thought of Mike Connellys statement at the county board meeting last night.Does not reflect too well on the players if they would not give reasons to H and C for the no confidence vote.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: mayo.mick on October 21, 2015, 01:08:44 AM
Quote from: maigheo on October 20, 2015, 11:48:59 PM
Wondering what people thought of Mike Connellys statement at the county board meeting last night.Does not reflect too well on the players if they would not give reasons to H and C for the no confidence vote.


"On Thursday night, myself and [County Board vice-chairman] Seamus Tuohy and [Mayo GAA administrator] Michael Cummins [were] in the office waiting for Keith and Cillian, and at 8.30, Keith and Cillian arrived with most of the squad. Keith read out a letter. I told them I wasn't aware there was such big problems, and asked them why they took this route – could they not have met with the management and sorted it out? They didn't engage in the discussion and left the office.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on October 21, 2015, 01:31:58 AM
Connelly said earlier in his statement that the players would not tell H and C the reasons they wanted them out but in that piece it seems that the letter contained all the issues the players had with H and C.Confusing to say the least but as Connelly said himself we may as well move on as the past is the past and it will not do anybody any good to keep rehashing the whole thing
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 21, 2015, 10:48:35 AM
Yeah, very little point in going over old ground now and certainly not in public. The important thing is to have something in place to prevent this sort of stuff happening again - whether this "charter" will achieve that or not is another story
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: maigheo on October 20, 2015, 11:48:59 PM
Wondering what people thought of Mike Connellys statement at the county board meeting last night.Does not reflect too well on the players if they would not give reasons to H and C for the no confidence vote.

Which would you rather, that the players now give every single reason publicly, and humiliate two decent men in the process, or simply accept that they lost the dressing room and move on from here?

I think the players have handled this as well as they could. They wanted change, but they have kept their mouths shut, which has severely limited the amount of column inches and thus damage.

All of the information in the public domain appears to me to be coming from the same area as those now criticising all the 'talk'.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2015, 05:37:00 PM
As much as I blame the co board, having read the full statement, I find myself agreeing (believing) Mike Connelly's version of the 'bombshell'. Especially when the Ballintubber delegate couldn't define the problems. In saying all that, what's done is done and I think we should all move on and hope the new man in will keep us competitive at the top level.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2015, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2015, 05:37:00 PM
As much as I blame the co board, having read the full statement, I find myself agreeing (believing) Mike Connelly's version of the 'bombshell'. Especially when the Ballintubber delegate couldn't define the problems. In saying all that, what's done is done and I think we should all move on and hope the new man in will keep us competitive at the top level.

I wouldn't disagree with this. But the end of his statement appears to paint himself and others on the Executive as the victims.

The victims are Pat and Noel.

Any demand for answers risks putting the boot in even more. The demand for answers also reads to me as a request for something that can be torn apart. That will benefit neither the players nor Pat & Noel in my opinion. So who is it for?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on October 21, 2015, 11:00:08 PM
I for one think that the reasons for the player  revolt should not be made public but I assumed that the players gave there reasons to H and C but according to Mike Connelly that is not the case.Anyways it is over and done with and lets move on before the Rossies come on here giving us all kinds of advice >:( >:(
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Nihilist on October 22, 2015, 11:01:35 AM
Personally I think the details of the revolt are well known within a small camp. And these grievances are a lot to do with the CB who in turn don't want them aired publicly. The problem with that and this "charter" is that we don't or won't ever know if there is any proper resolution to the issues raised.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 09:36:43 PM
Anybody else being following the Mayogaablog, well we all are from one stage to another, but what the hell is going on with posts been deleted and removed? It seems that 'differing' opinions are not allowed.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 28, 2015, 11:40:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 09:36:43 PM
Anybody else being following the Mayogaablog, well we all are from one stage to another, but what the hell is going on with posts been deleted and removed? It seems that 'differing' opinions are not allowed.

just had a look after you posted the above. I don t think it's a case of 'differing' opinions not being allowed but that some posters were getting abusive towards other posters. Fair enough imo.

Some polarised views and some people get awful het up. The reality is that by the time doul FBD starts supporters will be focused on players and team performances again.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on October 28, 2015, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 09:36:43 PM
Anybody else being following the Mayogaablog, well we all are from one stage to another, but what the hell is going on with posts been deleted and removed? It seems that 'differing' opinions are not allowed.
Wouldnt waist my time posting there .Not much better than the Hogan Stand
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highorlow on November 03, 2015, 04:51:28 PM
Rochford it is then.

Back to the football.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Red on November 03, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: highorlow on November 03, 2015, 04:51:28 PM
Rochford it is then.

Back to the football.

It seems that way but I'd imagine there will be a degree of horse trading over the set up he might want in place. Budgets will still dictate to a certain extent what happens next and what shape his management team and approach will take.
Either way Mayo are still a good team with room for improvement and he has demonstrated he can get a lot out of his panel.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highorlow on November 26, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
Looks like McEntee is on board now.

The lads have no excuse this year.


http://www.balls.ie/gaa/stephen-rochford-has-finalised-his-very-impressive-looking-backroom-team/317355


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on November 26, 2015, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: highorlow on November 26, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
Looks like McEntee is on board now.

The lads have no excuse this year.


http://www.balls.ie/gaa/stephen-rochford-has-finalised-his-very-impressive-looking-backroom-team/317355

Buckley, Solan, Duffy & Horan, along with two selectors Carey & Tony McEntee.

Where are the other 14 'backroom team members'?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: highorlow on November 27, 2015, 12:28:27 PM
QuoteWhere are the other 14 'backroom team members'?

The stats man should be able to tell you that.


                                 runs
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: saffronandblue on December 29, 2015, 12:10:48 AM
Thinking of going to Ruislip for the London game on May 29th.  Anyone know if the time is set for the game yet? If anyone knows where the best spot would be to stay on the 29th for a bit of banter and craic it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 31, 2015, 09:44:52 AM
Watched the live stream of Aghamore vs Moy Davitts in the U21 A final last night in Bekhan.

Aghamore were very impressive, James Lyons, Ross Egan, Sean Og Tigue and Fergal Boland to name a few looked seriously sharp. A well coached side
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 02, 2016, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on December 29, 2015, 12:10:48 AM
Thinking of going to Ruislip for the London game on May 29th.  Anyone know if the time is set for the game yet? If anyone knows where the best spot would be to stay on the 29th for a bit of banter and craic it would be appreciated.

I m thinking along the same lines.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: saffronandblue on January 02, 2016, 08:55:34 PM
Flights booked, over and back on the day from Dublin-Luton!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 03, 2016, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 02, 2016, 08:55:34 PM
Flights booked, over and back on the day from Dublin-Luton!!
What time are your flights? Give yourself 2 and a half hours to get from Luton to Ruislip
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 05:14:17 PM
Over in plenty of time, hopefully not 2 1/2 hours on the way back our we're goosed.  Flight back is around 8:30 pm.  Have car rented and my research says a 45 min drive.......
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 03, 2016, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 05:14:17 PM
Over in plenty of time, hopefully not 2 1/2 hours on the way back our we're goosed.  Flight back is around 8:30 pm.  Have car rented and my research says a 45 min drive.......
Car and you're sound so!
It would take 2.5 via train and tube I reckon.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 03, 2016, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 05:14:17 PM
Over in plenty of time, hopefully not 2 1/2 hours on the way back our we're goosed.  Flight back is around 8:30 pm.  Have car rented and my research says a 45 min drive.......
Car and you're sound so!
It would take 2.5 via train and tube I reckon.

Car rental is only about €35 for a small car for the day, so happy days...
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 03, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 03, 2016, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 05:14:17 PM
Over in plenty of time, hopefully not 2 1/2 hours on the way back our we're goosed.  Flight back is around 8:30 pm.  Have car rented and my research says a 45 min drive.......
Car and you're sound so!
It would take 2.5 via train and tube I reckon.

Car rental is only about €35 for a small car for the day, so happy days...

Nice one Saff. Myself and the brother working on a plan. He works in London Mon - Friday so it's a no-brainer that we ll go. Probably make a weekend of it.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on January 03, 2016, 11:09:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 03, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 03, 2016, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on January 03, 2016, 05:14:17 PM
Over in plenty of time, hopefully not 2 1/2 hours on the way back our we're goosed.  Flight back is around 8:30 pm.  Have car rented and my research says a 45 min drive.......
Car and you're sound so!
It would take 2.5 via train and tube I reckon.

Car rental is only about €35 for a small car for the day, so happy days...

Nice one Saff. Myself and the brother working on a plan. He works in London Mon - Friday so it's a no-brainer that we ll go. Probably make a weekend of it.
It's an almighty session afterwards, marquee is set up next to clubhouse. Bring your drinking hats....
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: saffronandblue on January 09, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
Decent value in the Radison in Cork for the Mayo game. €82 bed and breakfast for 1 adult and 2 kids. Booked through Trivago/Hotel.com Might suit some of ye!!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2016, 10:58:08 PM
Fr. Peter Quinn RIP, ar dheis Dé go raibh sé.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on January 31, 2016, 11:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2016, 10:58:08 PM
Fr. Peter Quinn RIP, ar dheis Dé go raibh sé.

So sad to hear that. A gentleman of the highest order.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 10:05:26 PM
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 


Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: fearsiuil on April 01, 2016, 10:44:14 PM
Restructuring would eliminate your good neighbours Balla from championship football?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 11:28:06 PM
Balla would enter the Novice Championship!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 17, 2016, 05:06:11 PM
Any word on the challengr v Fermanagh? Someone had it up on mayogaablog thst it was on this weekend
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Brapbrap on July 20, 2016, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 10:05:26 PM
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 


Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B

And if me aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on July 20, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Brapbrap on July 20, 2016, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 10:05:26 PM
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 


Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B

And if me aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

::)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 04, 2016, 07:12:33 PM
It never ceases to amaze me the way rumours spread like wildfire after a Mayo defeat.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 05, 2016, 01:22:54 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 04, 2016, 07:12:33 PM
It never ceases to amaze me the way rumours spread like wildfire after a Mayo defeat.

We have to listen to thunder Farr. No blocking it out. I'm sure it's the same everywhere.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2016, 08:13:15 PM
Heard from 2 different people that Kevin McLoughlin is Dubai bound for 2 years. Whether or not it's more rumours is another thing.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on October 10, 2016, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2016, 08:13:15 PM
Heard from 2 different people that Kevin McLoughlin is Dubai bound for 2 years. Whether or not it's more rumours is another thing.

Heard that as well. Hopefully wont happen.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 15, 2016, 04:07:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 10, 2016, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2016, 08:13:15 PM
Heard from 2 different people that Kevin McLoughlin is Dubai bound for 2 years. Whether or not it's more rumours is another thing.

Heard that as well. Hopefully wont happen.
Jaysus, that would be cat altogether. You can't blame the man if he has to follow his work or whatever. But he would be a hell of a loss if this rumour turns out to be true.
On a more positive note, I heard Adam Gallagher was back in action last weekend. If he has fully recovered, he'd be a major addition to the county panel next season.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on October 27, 2016, 12:57:41 AM
Fairly depressing stuff

https://theviewfromthesideline.wordpress.com/


Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: maigheo on October 27, 2016, 01:12:51 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 15, 2016, 04:07:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 10, 2016, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2016, 08:13:15 PM
Heard from 2 different people that Kevin McLoughlin is Dubai bound for 2 years. Whether or not it's more rumours is another thing.

Heard that as well. Hopefully wont happen.
Jaysus, that would be cat altogether. You can't blame the man if he has to follow his work or whatever. But he would be a hell of a loss if this rumour turns out to be true.
On a more positive note, I heard Adam Gallagher was back in action last weekend. If he has fully recovered, he'd be a major addition to the county panel next season.
I doubt Adam Gallagher will get back on the county panel.Did not make the junior team this year so hard to see him jumping up to the senior panel.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: whitey on October 27, 2016, 01:56:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 11:28:06 PM
Balla would enter the Novice Championship!

What happened to Balla?

Breaffy and Ballintubber have stepped it up big time over the past ten years while I think Balla might now be A junior club.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: PW Nally on October 27, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2016, 01:56:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 11:28:06 PM
Balla would enter the Novice Championship!

What happened to Balla?

Breaffy and Ballintubber have stepped it up big time over the past ten years while I think Balla might now be A junior club.
Balla beaten by 1 point in Junior final few weeks back. 2 late Louisburg scores won it for them.
Got promoted to 1C following week in league. Young team moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2016, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: PW Nally on October 27, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2016, 01:56:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 11:28:06 PM
Balla would enter the Novice Championship!

What happened to Balla?

Breaffy and Ballintubber have stepped it up big time over the past ten years while I think Balla might now be A junior club.
Balla beaten by 1 point in Junior final few weeks back. 2 late Louisburg scores won it for them.
Got promoted to 1C following week in league. Young team moving in the right direction.

Listened to it on the radio. Louisburgh held scoreless for most of the second half as well. Was hoping Balla would pull it off to be honest.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on November 03, 2016, 01:07:54 PM
Any word on Caff for next year?

We could theoretically have the following defence:

                     All-Star keeper

All-Star     RFB     FB     LFB
All-Star     RHB   CHB   and a very unlucky Paddy Durcan
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 10, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
Great tweet from Evan Regan to Alan Dillon for his wedding:

Evan Regan ‏@rego_13  16h
Congrats to the last of the 1951 team to get married.. @Alan_Dillon @MayoGAA @mayogaabanter #ABoyTheDillo

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzQveOaXgAQsOZs.jpg)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 11, 2016, 02:40:28 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 10, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
Great tweet from Evan Regan to Alan Dillon for his wedding:

Evan Regan ‏@rego_13  16h
Congrats to the last of the 1951 team to get married.. @Alan_Dillon @MayoGAA @mayogaabanter #ABoyTheDillo

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzQveOaXgAQsOZs.jpg)

Sadly, I can only be certain about identifying Flanagan, Langan and Carney in that photo. Dillon has taken over from Seán Wynne?
It's a treasure but also a shame we don't have more recent legends.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: ballinaman on December 11, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
1950 team  :)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: moysider on December 11, 2016, 10:20:00 PM
Touché!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: muppet on December 11, 2016, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 11, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
1950 team  :)

Regan some ballix, dropping Wynne for Alan Dillon on All-Ireland Final day!  :P


As for the photo, John McAndrew of Bangor is the fella behind Flanagan and Carney. Pretty sure he was the biggest man on the team.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: seafoid on December 11, 2016, 11:10:58 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 27, 2016, 12:57:41 AM
Fairly depressing stuff

https://theviewfromthesideline.wordpress.com/
sher it's a winter sport. Love the cross in the gym.

The sutotext translates girls as guards and curse.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
Freeman has left the panel due to work commitments according to the Mayo News. He had potential, but was frustrating to watch however. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2017, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
Freeman has left the panel due to work commitments according to the Mayo News. He had potential, but was frustrating to watch however. Best of luck to him.

Can't have been an easy decision. Has drifted from the starting 15 the last couple of years. Not getting a run out v Kerry probably made his mind up for him!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on October 24, 2017, 08:25:35 PM
RIP to Jinkin Joe
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on November 10, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
Anyone else hear the rumours around Leroy?
If it's true it's awful for him
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on November 10, 2017, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 10, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
Anyone else hear the rumours around Leroy?
If it's true it's awful for him

Yes, heard it but unconfirmed. Better to leave it at that rather than have it spread across the country
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 11, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 10, 2017, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 10, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
Anyone else hear the rumours around Leroy?
If it's true it's awful for him

Yes, heard it but unconfirmed. Better to leave it at that rather than have it spread across the country

Ive heard this mentioned but not what the rumour is, so whats the story?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on November 12, 2017, 07:37:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 11, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 10, 2017, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on November 10, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
Anyone else hear the rumours around Leroy?
If it's true it's awful for him

Yes, heard it but unconfirmed. Better to leave it at that rather than have it spread across the country

Ive heard this mentioned but not what the rumour is, so whats the story?

Reliably informed that rumour is not true - thankfully!
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 12, 2017, 09:16:50 PM
Sounds like theres no substance behind the rumour, thanks be to god
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 28, 2017, 09:26:35 AM
Alan Dillon has retired from IC football. Thank you for the memories.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on March 18, 2018, 03:10:50 PM
Well done to the Mayo hurlers, Division 2B Champions
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 10, 2018, 08:02:43 PM
Any word on what the women's issue is?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Fuzzman on August 02, 2018, 02:48:13 PM
Hi lads
Could someone PM me who would know much about your club51 supporters club
Just looking for some info on how it was set up and what sort of things ye do.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 12, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
What's the deal with Akram? He didn't feature with Ballagh last night. Is he injured or with the Mayo u-20s?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 04, 2019, 10:59:18 PM
No press allowed to future County board meetings. Motion passed by delegates tonight.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on November 04, 2019, 11:21:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 04, 2019, 10:59:18 PM
No press allowed to future County board meetings. Motion passed by delegates tonight.

There must be stuff that needs to be hidden so.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on November 05, 2019, 03:57:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2019, 11:21:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 04, 2019, 10:59:18 PM
No press allowed to future County board meetings. Motion passed by delegates tonight.

There must be stuff that needs to be hidden so.

It's like the fella who read about the dangers of drink so he gave up reading
News getting out about poor practices within the county so they ban the news instead of correcting the practices.

You couldn't write it (actually you can't now)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: macdanger2 on November 05, 2019, 08:12:25 AM
Jesus, this is an awful shambles
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Never beat the deeler on November 05, 2019, 08:56:56 PM
From the mayo news

QuoteMAYO GAA chiefs have denied claims made by clubs today (Tuesday) that a statement released after last night's County Board meeting in MacHale Park, Castlebar contained inaccuracies regarding a 'motion of confidence' in the County Board executive.
Charlestown Sarsfields GAA, Louisburgh GAA, Ballycastle GAA and Ardnaree Sarsfields GAA have all issued statements today (Tuesday) on social media in response to the Board's claim that: 'a vote of confidence proposed in the Mayo GAA executive and board at tonight's meeting was resoundingly passed by all delegates'.
All four clubs say that no vote took place on this 'motion of confidence' at last night's meeting of club delegates.
"We have been contacted by a number of club members in relation to this issue," read the Charlestown GAA statement.
"It is our understanding that a motion was proposed by an honorary county board officer who is not a club delegate and seconded by a delegate, but that no vote was held on this very important motion.
"Our club delegate did not vote on this proposal nor was he given the opportunity and we would ask the County Board Executive to clarify last night's statement."
However, in response to a number of questions put to County Board officials by The Mayo News this afternoon, Mayo GAA have issued a statement to clarify their position in relation to the 'motion of confidence' issue.
"After a lengthy discussion among delegates on how to move forward for the betterment of Mayo GAA, a number of speakers called for support for the Executive to deal with the matter," reads the statement.
"A motion for a vote of confidence in the Executive was proposed and it was seconded by a number of individuals. There were no objections raised by any club delegate to this motion. As nobody present objected to the motion in any way the motion was taken as passed by all delegates without a vote been required."
A proposal to ban members of the media from attending any future County Board meetings — with the exception of the County Convention — was also passed on Monday night after a show of hands by the club delegates.
Three of the clubs said they disagreed with this motion being passed in their social media statements — Louisburgh, Charlestown Sarsfields and Ardnaree Sarsfields.
However, today's statement from Mayo GAA said this proposal was seconded and passed 'overwhelmingly' by club representatives.
"There was a motion proposed by members present at the meeting to exclude media from future County Board meetings, a lengthy discussion took place on this topic," said Mayo GAA in their statement.
"As there were delegates for and against this proposal it was then voted on and was overwhelmingly carried."

Foundation dispute not discussed
THE meeting of the Mayo GAA County Board that took place in MacHale Park, Castlebar last Monday night did not discuss any matters relating to the recent dispute between Mayo GAA and the Mayo GAA International Supporters' Foundation.
It had been expected that a range of issues raised in recent correspondence by Mr Tim O'Leary, chairman of Foundation, would be addressed by Mayo GAA officials and club delegates after county chairman Mike Connelly vowed to hold a 'real heart-to-heart' meeting last week.
However, a statement prepared by the Executive after the meeting and released by County Board spokesperson, Paul Cunnane, said: "In relation to tonight's meeting to respond to clubs, we received legal correspondence from Tim O'Leary and Eugene Rooney, and based on those letters we have now been advised that we cannot now comment any further on these matters."
The statement also said that: "There was a vote of confidence proposed in the Mayo GAA executive and board at tonight's meeting which was resoundingly passed by all delegates."
Chairman Mike Connelly declined to comment after the meeting.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 05, 2019, 09:20:53 PM
They've sent emails to clubs to stop using social media against them. You couldn't make this up. WillieJoe's blog is no better disallowing any comment on the matter.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: joemamas on November 06, 2019, 07:09:51 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 05, 2019, 09:20:53 PM
They've sent emails to clubs to stop using social media against them. You couldn't make this up. WillieJoe's blog is no better disallowing any comment on the matter.

This sounds like the Ballymagash county council except it is actually the county board of a county that is in the top four in the country, and is one that also has a very very generous list of donors who are not stupid.
Unreal !
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 06, 2019, 11:13:42 AM

Bedad,it's getting  curiouser and curiouser... (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/new-questions-raised-over-how-millionaire-mayo-gaa-backers-150000-donation-was-spent-38662164.html)

Shane Phelan
New questions raised over how millionaire Mayo GAA backer's €150,000 donation was spent
A supporters' group has raised further questions over how a donation of €150,000 from a millionaire backer was spent by Mayo GAA.

The donation was made by UK-based options market trader Tim O'Leary, who says there was an agreement the cash was to go towards the preparation of the Mayo senior footballers in 2018.

But a letter to clubs from the Mayo GAA International Supporters Foundation, which Mr O'Leary chairs, claims receipts provided did not reflect the terms of the agreement.

It claims an analysis of receipts produced by the county board showed €37,000 of the expenditure was incurred in advance of the donation being made and that a receipt for only €34,000 was produced in respect of one item said to have cost €54,000.

The letter also said "a significant portion" of the receipts reflect a period after Mayo exited the championship.

The foundation questioned whether the senior team benefited from the full value of the donation. There was no immediate comment from the Mayo county board on the matter.

The issuing of the letter is the latest twist in a row which has been rumbling for several months.

The foundation has withheld €250,000 raised at a New York fundraiser earlier this year, earmarked for an academy and a centre of excellence, until business plans are produced for both projects.
It has also said the cash will not be handed over "until appropriate governance structures are put in place".

In the letter, the foundation asked clubs to mandate the county board to seek support from Croke Park for the appointment of an independent mediator.

A behind-closed-doors meeting of the board and its delegates took place last night where issues raised by the foundation were due to be discussed. However, it is understood matters raised by foundation were not discussed as a result of legal advice received by the county board after a solicitor's letter was received from Mr O'Leary.

To further complicate the dispute, Mr O'Leary was called a "donkey" in an email sent from a Mayo GAA official's email address last August.

Last week Mayo county board chairman Mike Connolly insisted there were no governance issues within the county. He also rejected the suggestion Croke Park may be required to intervene.

In its letter, the foundation said it was clear the relationship between it and the board had completely broken down.

"We see no point in engaging further with them," it said.

The letter said that if the county board did not comply with conditions the foundation attached to the funding by the end of the year it would instead engage with clubs in Mayo to establish how the money could be used to further the development of the GAA in the county.

Irish Independent
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 24, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
I see O'Leady had a drunk tweet at the weekend? Anyone see it?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 24, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
I see O'Leady had a drunk tweet at the weekend? Anyone see it?

#horanout we are not very good #truthhurts always

Gobshite
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on February 24, 2020, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 24, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
I see O'Leady had a drunk tweet at the weekend? Anyone see it?

#horanout we are not very good #truthhurts always

Gobshite

A loose cannon if there ever was one ,comes  across as a  horrible character .
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: larryin89 on February 25, 2020, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)

How does this work if he still has money raised in the name of Mayo GAA or has all funds been handed over to date ?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 08, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)

Anyone see this Twitter lad?

Seemed to be linked to O'Leary, having a right cut off some guard. Some fairly libellous stuff

https://twitter.com/mayagaa_army?s=21



Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 08, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 08, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)

Anyone see this Twitter lad?

Seemed to be linked to O'Leary, having a right cut off some guard. Some fairly libellous stuff

https://twitter.com/mayagaa_army?s=21

The garda in question is the Mayo GAA secretary it seems.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 09, 2020, 09:23:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 08, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 08, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)

Anyone see this Twitter lad?

Seemed to be linked to O'Leary, having a right cut off some guard. Some fairly libellous stuff

https://twitter.com/mayagaa_army?s=21

The garda in question is the Mayo GAA secretary it seems.

Account suspended.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 09, 2020, 09:23:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 08, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 08, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)

Anyone see this Twitter lad?

Seemed to be linked to O'Leary, having a right cut off some guard. Some fairly libellous stuff

https://twitter.com/mayagaa_army?s=21

The garda in question is the Mayo GAA secretary it seems.

Account suspended.

Back again. Fierce slanderous stuff about Horan and the top table of County board.
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: From the Bunker on May 26, 2021, 09:50:38 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 09, 2020, 09:23:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 08, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 08, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 24, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
he's got the bullet now!
Mayo GAA not dealing with him anymore

https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/ (https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10060806/)

Anyone see this Twitter lad?

Seemed to be linked to O'Leary, having a right cut off some guard. Some fairly libellous stuff

https://twitter.com/mayagaa_army?s=21

The garda in question is the Mayo GAA secretary it seems.

Account suspended.

Back again. Fierce slanderous stuff about Horan and the top table of County board.

Yeah, seen that! Is it true?
Title: Re: Mayo Football and Hurling - Discussion pages
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 04, 2021, 09:39:35 PM
Liam Moffatt stepping down as chairperson...