Kildare v Mayo AI Qualifier Round 3

[LooseCannon]

There must be something in the water in Roscommon.

Oh there is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptosporidium

[JoG2]

Who are these "genuine GAA people"?
Will we only let fully paid up members into games any more?

People who give a sh*t about the wider implications of the decisions made by HQ and how they affect all of us.

You can be a "Genuine" GAA person and disagree about how Kildare handled this. What Croke Park did was not without precedent since they already moved Wicklow's home game this year. I would have thought that moving the game to a venue which could cater for the expected attendance made perfect sense - be it Portlaoise or Croke park. Kildare stood up to "Big Bad Croke Park" - no - they held Croke Park to ransom by threatening to not field. Maybe Kildare will now refuse access to SKY cameras because that's what the "genuine" GAA person wants.

You're coming at this from a selfish pov (which is 100% your right)...you thought yourself and some family would miss out, so CP would have suited better, hence your standing. Kildare did the right thing here, the vast vast majority of people involved in the GAA through club / County activities were behind them.
Kildare have held no one to ransom. They followed the rules, then correct procedure in informing CP 48 hrs prior to throwin that would not be fulfilling the fixture in CP.. These are the rules penned by CP, not Kildare. Kildare

Funny you mention Sky too. Again, those who already had a Sky subscription were happy the GAA sold its soul to Murdoch, as they were OK and jack those who don't have Sky. At this stage, the way Kildare united to face down this decision, the wider GAA community should have done the same with Sky (I know some CBs did follow correct procedure, but not enough, should have been a United front). The disconnect between the offices at CP and grass routes is huge and needs tightened a bit. Has the director general uttered a word about the Newbridge fiasco?? Head in the sand stuff

[Applesisapples]

If you take the emotion out of it, hard to do I accept, the GAA decided Newbridge could not host the game on health and safety grounds, with an all ticket capacity of C.8,000. Mayo take somewhere in the region of 10,000 fans with them which means that 60% of their fans can't be accommodated.The potential for a sizeable number to turn up with out tickets is there. Kildare were asked to nominate an alternative venue, as Cavan did with Brewster Park but like the spoilt brat refused to do so. Irrespective of TV rights county teams would be nowhere without the fans and the GAA is right to try and ensure as many as possible see the game. If Kildare had drawn Clare there wouldn't have been an issue but Mayo travel in numbers. at this stage of the qualifiers I don't think the luck of the draw should determine where a game is played, in my opinion. Any GAA player should feel privileged to get to play in Croke Park and as top billing as well in front of Tyrone/Cavan!

In case you missed it I'll remind you that there is no entitlement to getting a ticket for a match and just because Mayo have lots of fans doesn't make a blind bit of difference. Furthermore even if you have a season ticket it STILL doesn't automatically entitle you to a ticket. Here is section 42 of the current season ticket Ts&Cs
"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture"

Capacity in Newbridge is a red herring.

Its not a red herring it is relevant and fans put money into the GAA. What always strikes me about us in the GAA we always gice off, about the CB, Croke Park, the GPA etc... but it is a democratic organisation, it can be changed by a majority vote. You just have to want the change enough to persuade the CB, PC and Congress.

You actually believe that? The rejection of the transparency regarding votes at Congress blew that out of the water. So many hurdles to jump and then at the end HQ only need to manipulate 150 or so delegates, a mixture of the ambitious, the easily led and those who just want to keep their cosy existence intact and will do the powers-that-be's bidding.

I didn't say it was an easy process, but you can change things with support.

[Applesisapples]

I would expect that one of two things will now happen, either congress will change the rules to empower the CCC to choose all venues in the AI series or a minimum spec for grounds to host qualifiers will be introduced.

[Maroon Manc]

Kildare were probably told they'd get their wish to keep the game in Newbridge as long they agreed to move their super 8 game should they get their.

[Blowitupref]

Kildare were probably told they'd get their wish to keep the game in Newbridge as long they agreed to move their super 8 game should they get their.

It's already in the set rules that the cccc will deem if a home venue is capable of hosting a super 8 game no such rule in place however for a round 3 game.

[tc_manchester]

Who are these "genuine GAA people"?
Will we only let fully paid up members into games any more?

People who give a sh*t about the wider implications of the decisions made by HQ and how they affect all of us.

You can be a "Genuine" GAA person and disagree about how Kildare handled this. What Croke Park did was not without precedent since they already moved Wicklow's home game this year. I would have thought that moving the game to a venue which could cater for the expected attendance made perfect sense - be it Portlaoise or Croke park. Kildare stood up to "Big Bad Croke Park" - no - they held Croke Park to ransom by threatening to not field. Maybe Kildare will now refuse access to SKY cameras because that's what the "genuine" GAA person wants.

You're coming at this from a selfish pov (which is 100% your right)...you thought yourself and some family would miss out, so CP would have suited better, hence your standing. Kildare did the right thing here, the vast vast majority of people involved in the GAA through club / County activities were behind them.
Kildare have held no one to ransom. They followed the rules, then correct procedure in informing CP 48 hrs prior to throwin that would not be fulfilling the fixture in CP.. These are the rules penned by CP, not Kildare. Kildare

Funny you mention Sky too. Again, those who already had a Sky subscription were happy the GAA sold its soul to Murdoch, as they were OK and jack those who don't have Sky. At this stage, the way Kildare united to face down this decision, the wider GAA community should have done the same with Sky (I know some CBs did follow correct procedure, but not enough, should have been a United front). The disconnect between the offices at CP and grass routes is huge and needs tightened a bit. Has the director general uttered a word about the Newbridge fiasco?? Head in the sand stuff

Fair enough - in reflection you're probably right about where my motivation was coming from. It'll be interesting to see if any new by-laws come in stating that the CCCC will make the final decisions on inter-county fixtures and whether any of the counties kick up a fuss about it.

[Mayo4Sam14]

Sorry to interrupt the real discussion with some football talk but what team would people like to see put out? Assuming the players expected back are fit I'd go

Clarke

Barrett                                                                                           
Harrison
O'Donoghue
   
Keegan                                                                                               
Higgins
Durcan

Vaughan                                                   
O'Connor

McLoughlin                                                                                         
O'Shea
Durcan

Doherty
O'Connor
Loftus                                                                                       
****
Hennelly
Crowe
Cafferkey
Boyle
Coen
Kirby
Hanley
Regan
Nally
Douglas
Moran

[Jinxy]

Have you Moran on the bench to save his energy for the business end of the game?

[Mayo4Sam14]

Have you Moran on the bench to save his energy for the business end of the game?

Ya, he hasn't seen a lot of it during the last couple of games, no harm to give Loftus a run and bring Moran on later on

[Blowitupref]

Sorry to interrupt the real discussion with some football talk but what team would people like to see put out? Assuming the players expected back are fit I'd go

Clarke

Barrett                                                                                           
Harrison
O'Donoghue
   
Keegan                                                                                               
Higgins
Durcan

Vaughan                                                   
O'Connor

McLoughlin                                                                                         
O'Shea
Durcan

Doherty
O'Connor
Loftus                                                                                       
****
Hennelly
Crowe
Cafferkey
Boyle
Coen
Kirby
Hanley
Regan
Nally
Douglas
Moran

Two players to start that weren't on the bench last Saturday and two of Mayos best and most experienced players dropped. Are you having a laugh?

[straightred]

Kildare were probably told they'd get their wish to keep the game in Newbridge as long they agreed to move their super 8 game should they get their.

It's already in the set rules that the cccc will deem if a home venue is capable of hosting a super 8 game no such rule in place however for a round 3 game.

exactly - all that is needed here is a tiny tweak and the stable door is closed.

[Jinxy]

I always thought Diarmuid O'Connor was a good midfield option (on paper).
Will be interesting to see how he goes.

[Jinxy]

Sorry to interrupt the real discussion with some football talk but what team would people like to see put out? Assuming the players expected back are fit I'd go

Clarke

Barrett                                                                                           
Harrison
O'Donoghue
   
Keegan                                                                                               
Higgins
Durcan

Vaughan                                                   
O'Connor

McLoughlin                                                                                         
O'Shea
Durcan

Doherty
O'Connor
Loftus                                                                                       
****
Hennelly
Crowe
Cafferkey
Boyle
Coen
Kirby
Hanley
Regan
Nally
Douglas
Moran

Two players to start that weren't on the bench last Saturday and two of Mayos best and most experienced players dropped. Are you having a laugh?

Admittedly I'm only going by the highlights but Boyle looked bushed any time I saw him chasing back against Tipp.

[Crete Boom]

Have you Moran on the bench to save his energy for the business end of the game?

Would love to be able to do that but we need Andy from the start. The team is in survival mode at the moment any heavy hitters left standing have to start to even make the next round as was the case against Tipp last time out.