Dublin v Rest of Ireland in hypothetical match up who wins maybe a best of 5 series who comes out on top
dublin would win some, the rest of ireland would win some......player for player on their day each dublin player would be near enough as good as anyone in their position. Is there any dublin player who wouldnt make the starting 15 of any other team at the moment?
I imagine this thread will quickly turn into naming the rest of ireland teams and argueing over who should and shouldnt be on it
Quote from: tippabu on August 12, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
dublin would win some, the rest of ireland would win some......player for player on their day each dublin player would be near enough as good as anyone in their position. Is there any dublin player who wouldnt make the starting 15 of any other team at the moment?
I imagine this thread will quickly turn into naming the rest of ireland teams and argueing over who should and shouldnt be on it
Cluxton.
Quote from: tippabu on August 12, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
dublin would win some, the rest of ireland would win some......player for player on their day each dublin player would be near enough as good as anyone in their position. Is there any dublin player who wouldnt make the starting 15 of any other team at the moment?
I imagine this thread will quickly turn into naming the rest of ireland teams and argueing over who should and shouldnt be on it
A rest of Ireland team would be comfortably stronger on paper than Dublin.
How many Dublin players are the best in their position in Ireland?
I'd say five.
Cluxton
Cooper
McCarthy
McCaffrey
Fenton
None of the current Dublin forwards would make a best in Ireland team.
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
Na
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.
I would agree about mannion. I thought gavin nearly lost dublin the ai last year with terrible team selection for the final and but for mannion kerping them in it first half they would have been in a bad place.
Reading this thread dean rock hugely underrated too. Would probably make any team unless maybe kerry but probably would make their team too. Just.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.
Good post and Mannion yesterday gave arguably Galway's best defender this year a bit of runaround.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.
Good post and Mannion yesterday gave arguably Galway's best defender this year a bit of runaround.
Totally agree about Mannion. Top class...searing pace....if he played for any other County his ability would stand out alot more. He is lethal.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
So how come Dublin only won 1 All Ireland in the nearly 30 years between the last one of the Heffo era in '83 & Gilroys in 2011? That is 1 paltry All Ireland in nearly three decades. All your CSO stats about population were as true then, as they are now. Explain that one then..
Saw in yesterdays programme that Jack Jones Clothing now sponser Dublin. Jesus.
On way out of ground saw Billboard of Ciaran Kilkenny sponsered by Sure and Bernard by King Crisps
Different world
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
It's only this year that that isn't an outlandish statement. I'd still take Cluxton's experience over Beggan every time.
Quote from: Gold on August 13, 2018, 12:22:45 AM
Saw in yesterdays programme that Jack Jones Clothing now sponser Dublin. Jesus.
On way out of ground saw Billboard of Ciaran Kilkenny sponsered by Sure and Bernard by King Crisps
Different world
Dublin are what they are .... its going take a freaky day to beat them ...
You have to admire the football they play ..
Yes the money they get is anfair advantage but they do it well very well
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
Great good athletes but fairly average footballers
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
Brody > Beggan > Cluxton
Quote from: Beffs on August 12, 2018, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
So how come Dublin only won 1 All Ireland in the nearly 30 years between the last one of the Heffo era in '83 & Gilroys in 2011? That is 1 paltry All Ireland in nearly three decades. All your CSO stats about population were as true then, as they are now. Explain that one then..
Thought we had gone through this in detail before but, in any event, here is my take on what the difference is.In short it comes down to money, pure and simple.
Dublin has lots more of it than any other county in the land , even on a pro rata basis.
Of the total development funding dished out be the GAA, Dublin gets by far the greatest percentage.
Again, this has been done to death on a number of threads. On page two of the Money, Dublin and the GAA thread, you ill find an infographic detailing the total amount of money given out by the GAA in the period 2010-2014. The amount shown is what was given per registered player.
Dublin got €247 while Mayo got €22 and Galway got only €15. If you google gaa development funds, you'll get plenty of info on the subject so, like the stats I gave, the figures are in the public domain.All in all, Dublin got 47% of the total handed out and you'll find that
here (http://"http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/mbrosnan/gaa-will-never-learn-funding-inequality/") or
here (http://"http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/10/news/enough-is-enough-in-terms-of-gaa-funding-for-dublin-413233/") and in numerous other sources as well.
Given the marketability of the Dublin brand and the size of the potential market for sponsors Dublin has not problem getting a long, long list of sponsors, sorry "partners."
So, the Dublin panel and management are given top of the range Suburu cars every year whereas Roscommon have to make do with a (by now) second hand bus donate by a wealthy supporter some years ago.
As it takes serious money to pay for the services of nutritionists, physiotherapists, physiotherapists and the likes not to mention renting centres of excellence and the likes, Dublin are way out in front of the rest.
Added to all that, Dublin has a number of very competent, hard-working individuals on the county board and down the line and are backed up by dozens od ex-players and other dedicated volunteers so there is a supremely well-organised development structure there that no other country can hope to match.
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: Beffs on August 12, 2018, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
So how come Dublin only won 1 All Ireland in the nearly 30 years between the last one of the Heffo era in '83 & Gilroys in 2011? That is 1 paltry All Ireland in nearly three decades. All your CSO stats about population were as true then, as they are now. Explain that one then..
Thought we had gone through this in detail before but, in any event, here is my take on what the difference is.In short it comes down to money, pure and simple.
Dublin has lots more of it than any other county in the land , even on a pro rata basis.
Of the total development funding dished out be the GAA, Dublin gets by far the greatest percentage.
Again, this has been done to death on a number of threads. On page two of the Money, Dublin and the GAA thread, you ill find an infographic detailing the total amount of money given out by the GAA in the period 2010-2014. The amount shown is what was given per registered player.
Dublin got €247 while Mayo got €22 and Galway got only €15. If you google gaa development funds, you'll get plenty of info on the subject so, like the stats I gave, the figures are in the public domain.All in all, Dublin got 47% of the total handed out and you'll find that
here (http://"http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/mbrosnan/gaa-will-never-learn-funding-inequality/") or
here (http://"http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/10/news/enough-is-enough-in-terms-of-gaa-funding-for-dublin-413233/") and in numerous other sources as well.
Given the marketability of the Dublin brand and the size of the potential market for sponsors Dublin has not problem getting a long, long list of sponsors, sorry "partners."
So, the Dublin panel and management are given top of the range Suburu cars every year whereas Roscommon have to make do with a (by now) second hand bus donate by a wealthy supporter some years ago.
As it takes serious money to pay for the services of nutritionists, physiotherapists, physiotherapists and the likes not to mention renting centres of excellence and the likes, Dublin are way out in front of the rest.
Added to all that, Dublin has a number of very competent, hard-working individuals on the county board and down the line and are backed up by dozens od ex-players and other dedicated volunteers so there is a supremely well-organised development structure there that no other country can hope to match.
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
So doesn't the same logic apply to other counties - Like why are Monaghan better than Cork/Kildare/Meath etc?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: Beffs on August 12, 2018, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
So how come Dublin only won 1 All Ireland in the nearly 30 years between the last one of the Heffo era in '83 & Gilroys in 2011? That is 1 paltry All Ireland in nearly three decades. All your CSO stats about population were as true then, as they are now. Explain that one then..
Thought we had gone through this in detail before but, in any event, here is my take on what the difference is.In short it comes down to money, pure and simple.
Dublin has lots more of it than any other county in the land , even on a pro rata basis.
Of the total development funding dished out be the GAA, Dublin gets by far the greatest percentage.
Again, this has been done to death on a number of threads. On page two of the Money, Dublin and the GAA thread, you ill find an infographic detailing the total amount of money given out by the GAA in the period 2010-2014. The amount shown is what was given per registered player.
Dublin got €247 while Mayo got €22 and Galway got only €15. If you google gaa development funds, you'll get plenty of info on the subject so, like the stats I gave, the figures are in the public domain.All in all, Dublin got 47% of the total handed out and you'll find that
here (http://"http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/mbrosnan/gaa-will-never-learn-funding-inequality/") or
here (http://"http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/10/news/enough-is-enough-in-terms-of-gaa-funding-for-dublin-413233/") and in numerous other sources as well.
Given the marketability of the Dublin brand and the size of the potential market for sponsors Dublin has not problem getting a long, long list of sponsors, sorry "partners."
So, the Dublin panel and management are given top of the range Suburu cars every year whereas Roscommon have to make do with a (by now) second hand bus donate by a wealthy supporter some years ago.
As it takes serious money to pay for the services of nutritionists, physiotherapists, physiotherapists and the likes not to mention renting centres of excellence and the likes, Dublin are way out in front of the rest.
Added to all that, Dublin has a number of very competent, hard-working individuals on the county board and down the line and are backed up by dozens od ex-players and other dedicated volunteers so there is a supremely well-organised development structure there that no other country can hope to match.
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.
Would agree with that and probably reason our forwards rarely get player of year awards. Having said that our decision making on goal chances need to improve.
I don't think Dublin go for goal chances the way they did pre-Donegal in 2014, and it seems to be a deliberate policy.
They are content to take the point more often than not.
A "rest of Ireland" team would annihilate Dublin.
It's kind of a ridiculous argument anyway. Of course a rest of Ireland team could beat Dublin on paper, but Dublin have been playing as a team together for years and that could be the difference. Mayo were only beat by a point last year and probably would have won the game but for an idiotic sending off. Would Mayo have been even stronger had they been able to pick a few players from the 30 other counties? Of course they would have been a few points better. Imagine they had Murphy on the bench, or Colm Cavanagh or a litany of other brilliant players around the country that would have massively improved them in the final 20 minutes.
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 13, 2018, 01:18:11 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.
And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
Great good athletes but fairly average footballers
Delete your account.
Given Tyrone are probably the only team in Ireland close to Dublin in terms of conditioning I wouldn't as a Tyrone person like to start slinging around unfound allegations of doping that could as easily be thrown at us.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 13, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on August 13, 2018, 03:33:38 PM
A "rest of Ireland" team would annihilate Dublin.
Nope
Dublin team against Galway
S Cluxton; E Murchan, C O'Sullivan, P McMahon; J Cooper, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton , J McCarthy; N Scully, C Kilkenny , B Howard ; C O'Callaghan , D Rock , P Mannion . Subs: M Fitzsimons , C Costello K McManamon M D Macauley , D Daly P Flynn
Rest of Ireland(Only a sample team, i could have named another two teams worth of players)
1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
2. Colm Walshe (Monaghan)
3. Neil McGee(Donegal)
4. Eoghan Ban Gallagher(Donegal)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Chrissy McKeague(Derry)
7. Tiernan McCann(Tyrone)
8. Kevin Feely(Kildare)
9. Colm Cavanagh(Tyrone)
10.Mattie Donnelly(Tyrone)
11.Michael Murphy(Donegal)
12. Enda Smith(Roscommon)
13. Conor McManus (Monaghan)
14. Damien Comer(Galway)
15. Paddy McBrearty(Donegal)
Don't get me wrong,This Dublin team are a fantastic outfit,but some people are losing the run of themselves...there's outstanding footballers in most counties.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
So how come Dublin only won 1 All Ireland in the nearly 30 years between the last one of the Heffo era in '83 & Gilroys in 2011? That is 1 paltry All Ireland in nearly three decades. All your CSO stats about population were as true then, as they are now. Explain that one then..
Thought we had gone through this in detail before but, in any event, here is my take on what the difference is.In short it comes down to money, pure and simple.
Dublin has lots more of it than any other county in the land , even on a pro rata basis.
Of the total development funding dished out be the GAA, Dublin gets by far the greatest percentage.
Again, this has been done to death on a number of threads. On page two of the Money, Dublin and the GAA thread, you ill find an infographic detailing the total amount of money given out by the GAA in the period 2010-2014. The amount shown is what was given per registered player.
Dublin got €247 while Mayo got €22 and Galway got only €15. If you google gaa development funds, you'll get plenty of info on the subject so, like the stats I gave, the figures are in the public domain.All in all, Dublin got 47% of the total handed out and you'll find that
here (http://"http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/mbrosnan/gaa-will-never-learn-funding-inequality/") or
here (http://"http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/10/news/enough-is-enough-in-terms-of-gaa-funding-for-dublin-413233/") and in numerous other sources as well.
Given the marketability of the Dublin brand and the size of the potential market for sponsors Dublin has not problem getting a long, long list of sponsors, sorry "partners."
So, the Dublin panel and management are given top of the range Suburu cars every year whereas Roscommon have to make do with a (by now) second hand bus donate by a wealthy supporter some years ago.
As it takes serious money to pay for the services of nutritionists, physiotherapists, physiotherapists and the likes not to mention renting centres of excellence and the likes, Dublin are way out in front of the rest.
Added to all that, Dublin has a number of very competent, hard-working individuals on the county board and down the line and are backed up by dozens od ex-players and other dedicated volunteers so there is a supremely well-organised development structure there that no other country can hope to match.
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2018, 10:15:50 PM
Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
Fenton plays for Raheny who've been senior since around the late 90s. Actually when Ciaran Whelan debuted for the Dubs, he was playing for Raheny who were intermediate at the time.
Fenton was stand out from a young age, but suffered injuries in his late teens so missed a lot of football between the ages of 18-20.
Almost impossible to get on the Dublin panel these days, if you weren't playing Dubs minor/U20. There are some given a chance every year during the O'Byrne Cup, but very few make it as the chances given are very limited. Scully the most recent to come that route, but he had played minor and U21 for the Dubs before not initially making the cut when it came to senior.
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
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Which young players are you referring to?
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Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
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The Blue Wave was proposed in 2011 after Dublin All Ireland win so players above were already on Dublin radar. Kilkenny,Small,McCaffrey and Costello were only minor team that year. David Byrne, Scully and Lowndes were on minor team 2011 and 12. O'Callaghan, Howard and Murchan would have on u15/16 development squads at time. Brian Fenton was on development squads when younger but missed out minor team in 2011 due to injury. His club form with Raheny and playing Sigerson Cup with DCU brought him into contention with Dublin 21s. Dublin have used developments squads since 1998 when the copied what Laois were doing at the time.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2018, 10:15:50 PM
Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
Fenton plays for Raheny who've been senior since around the late 90s. Actually when Ciaran Whelan debuted for the Dubs, he was playing for Raheny who were intermediate at the time.
Fenton was stand out from a young age, but suffered injuries in his late teens so missed a lot of football between the ages of 18-20.
Almost impossible to get on the Dublin panel these days, if you weren't playing Dubs minor/U20. There are some given a chance every year during the O'Byrne Cup, but very few make it as the chances given are very limited. Scully the most recent to come that route, but he had played minor and U21 for the Dubs before not initially making the cut when it came to senior.
Some time ago in the Money, Dublin and the GAA thread, I said something like the major cornerstone of Dublin's success was the steady stream of talented youngsters who would always be attempting to break into the senior side and as a result, those already there would always be under pressure to perform at their best all of the time or suffer the consequences- or something convoluted like that.
One of the Dub posters, noted for stirring it most of the time. Retorted by asking me what about Brian Fenton then who was found playing with a junior side in Raheny and didn't play underage football of any sort.
Like an eejit I took him at his word even though I had never heard of a junior clubb in Rahenry and I live about two miles from the centre of the village. A couple of years ago when the Dubs' winning streak was getting going, one of the lines being spun by some who supported the status quo was that Dublin's success could be attributed to the sheer class of the players on the team at the time and that when the likes of Berno and Dermo and Clucko and the rest hung up their boots, Dublin would sink back to the level of their competitors once again. A temporary spike in form- nothing permanent and therefore nothing to get alarmed about.
It was bullshine then and it's more of the same now. As long as the AI series has any meaning or relevance,the Dubs will be there or thereabouts.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2018, 11:11:02 PM
Some time ago in the Money, Dublin and the GAA thread, I said something like the major cornerstone of Dublin's success was the steady stream of talented youngsters who would always be attempting to break into the senior side and as a result, those already there would always be under pressure to perform at their best all of the time or suffer the consequences- or something convoluted like that.
One of the Dub posters, noted for stirring it most of the time. Retorted by asking me what about Brian Fenton then who was found playing with a junior side in Raheny and didn't play underage football of any sort.
Like an eejit I took him at his word even though I had never heard of a junior clubb in Rahenry and I live about two miles from the centre of the village. A couple of years ago when the Dubs' winning streak was getting going, one of the lines being spun by some who supported the status quo was that Dublin's success could be attributed to the sheer class of the players on the team at the time and that when the likes of Berno and Dermo and Clucko and the rest hung up their boots, Dublin would sink back to the level of their competitors once again. A temporary spike in form- nothing permanent and therefore nothing to get alarmed about.
It was bullshine then and it's more of the same now. As long as the AI series has any meaning or relevance,the Dubs will be there or thereabouts.
I've never heard of Fenton being poached by Raheny from a smaller nearby club. Not impossible but I'd be surprised. He's certainly a committed member of Raheny and I've seen him up supporting the team when he hasn't been playing.
Dublin will certainly always have 15+ good players, but we've probably always had. We haven't always had a great manager and a great freetaker and great leaders on the pitch. There were times in the not too distant past when we'd players every bit as good as Meath and Kildare but were getting well beaten by them because of poor tactics, inability to kick frees and brainless play and actions on the pitch.
We do have nobody like Fenton if something happened him. Macauley is the only other midfielder in our squad. We also have had no full back since Rory O'Carroll left. So we're not covered everywhere.
We currently have plenty of top half back type players (absolutely crucial in the modern game) but I would have a worry that McCarthy, O'Sullivan, Cooper, McMahon, Fitzsimons are all getting old together (two late 20s, three already hit 30). It's fine to replace 1/2 a year but losing that group in and around the same time won't be easy. Personally, I think Lowndes and Byrne are a step below them. We will definitely have some good players coming through, but there aren't many standout 20/21 year old strong atheltic footballing half backs knocking on the door that I'm aware of.
As I've repeated ad nauseaum we've a huge advantage in numbers, and it's only going to continue with the drive for so many people to come to Dublin for supposedly better opportunities, so we should never be too far away.
What's nonsense is that people think it's money that made Jack McCaffrey so fast, it's paid coaches that made Fenton such a good fielder, that Dublin players don't work for a living, our students don't have to study for exams, etc. etc.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 14, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
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Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
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The Blue Wave was proposed in 2011 after Dublin All Ireland win so players above were already on Dublin radar. Kilkenny,Small,McCaffrey and Costello were only minor team that year. David Byrne, Scully and Lowndes were on minor team 2011 and 12. O'Callaghan, Howard and Murchan would have on u15/16 development squads at time. Brian Fenton was on development squads when younger but missed out minor team in 2011 due to injury. His club form with Raheny and playing Sigerson Cup with DCU brought him into contention with Dublin 21s. Dublin have used developments squads since 1998 when the copied what Laois were doing at the time.
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Another myth debunked, thank you Gael.
@Hound, you are wasting your time with these lads, just sit back and enjoy, laugh at their posts. It gives me great pleasure.
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Quote from: Gael85 on August 14, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
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The Blue Wave was proposed in 2011 after Dublin All Ireland win so players above were already on Dublin radar. Kilkenny,Small,McCaffrey and Costello were only minor team that year. David Byrne, Scully and Lowndes were on minor team 2011 and 12. O'Callaghan, Howard and Murchan would have on u15/16 development squads at time. Brian Fenton was on development squads when younger but missed out minor team in 2011 due to injury. His club form with Raheny and playing Sigerson Cup with DCU brought him into contention with Dublin 21s. Dublin have used developments squads since 1998 when the copied what Laois were doing at the time.
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Another myth debunked, thank you Gael.
@Hound, you are wasting your time with these lads, just sit back and enjoy, laugh at their posts. It gives me great pleasure.
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Good. We wouldn't want you to be hysterical like many Dubs last year when Clucko didn't get an all star, and Andy Moran got player of the year last yr. Btw Howard will prob get ypoty this time round.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on August 15, 2018, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 14, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
The Blue Wave was proposed in 2011 after Dublin All Ireland win so players above were already on Dublin radar. Kilkenny,Small,McCaffrey and Costello were only minor team that year. David Byrne, Scully and Lowndes were on minor team 2011 and 12. O'Callaghan, Howard and Murchan would have on u15/16 development squads at time. Brian Fenton was on development squads when younger but missed out minor team in 2011 due to injury. His club form with Raheny and playing Sigerson Cup with DCU brought him into contention with Dublin 21s. Dublin have used developments squads since 1998 when the copied what Laois were doing at the time.
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Another myth debunked, thank you Gael.
@Hound, you are wasting your time with these lads, just sit back and enjoy, laugh at their posts. It gives me great pleasure.
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Good. We wouldn't want you to be hysterical like many Dubs last year when Clucko didn't get an all star, and Andy Moran got player of the year last yr. Btw Howard will prob get ypoty this time round.
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We all know its the All star Mayo Sympathy awards, the awards are meaningless in the context of all Ireland medals. It most cases its a popularity contest and the Dubs would lose every time.
Best of Mayo (from last year) plus best of Galway would beat Dublin; Mayo for defensive solidity and Galway for score-making ability.
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A "rest of Ireland" team would annihilate Dublin.
Nope
Dublin team against Galway
S Cluxton; E Murchan, C O'Sullivan, P McMahon; J Cooper, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton , J McCarthy; N Scully, C Kilkenny , B Howard ; C O'Callaghan , D Rock , P Mannion . Subs: M Fitzsimons , C Costello K McManamon M D Macauley , D Daly P Flynn
Rest of Ireland(Only a sample team, i could have named another two teams worth of players)
1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
2. Colm Walshe (Monaghan)
3. Neil McGee(Donegal)
4. Eoghan Ban Gallagher(Donegal)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Chrissy McKeague(Derry)
7. Tiernan McCann(Tyrone)
8. Kevin Feely(Kildare)
9. Colm Cavanagh(Tyrone)
10.Mattie Donnelly(Tyrone)
11.Michael Murphy(Donegal)
12. Enda Smith(Roscommon)
13. Conor McManus (Monaghan)
14. Damien Comer(Galway)
15. Paddy McBrearty(Donegal)
Don't get me wrong,This Dublin team are a fantastic outfit,but some people are losing the run of themselves...there's outstanding footballers in most counties.
I don't disagree that there are great players in other counties. I don't even think Dublin would win but I don't think they would be annihilated
Quote from: mouview on August 15, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
Best of Mayo (from last year) plus best of Galway would beat Dublin; Mayo for defensive solidity and Galway for score-making ability.
Don't get over carried away with either! Both are greatly hyped!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 15, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: mouview on August 15, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
Best of Mayo (from last year) plus best of Galway would beat Dublin; Mayo for defensive solidity and Galway for score-making ability.
Don't get over carried away with either! Both are greatly hyped!
Maybe, but that Mayo defence last year played Dubs forwards to a standstill. One or two more naturally attacking players and they would have been home.
Quote from: mouview on August 15, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
Best of Mayo (from last year) plus best of Galway would beat Dublin; Mayo for defensive solidity and Galway for score-making ability.
AI final last year and the semi final last Saturday both Galway and Mayo created 29 scoring chances v Dublin. 1-16 (19) scored for Mayo and 2-12 (18) scored for Galway
Big difference was defensively. Just 26 scoring chances Dublin created in the AI final last year to 36 on Saturday.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 14, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
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Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
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The Blue Wave was proposed in 2011 after Dublin All Ireland win so players above were already on Dublin radar. Kilkenny,Small,McCaffrey and Costello were only minor team that year. David Byrne, Scully and Lowndes were on minor team 2011 and 12. O'Callaghan, Howard and Murchan would have on u15/16 development squads at time. Brian Fenton was on development squads when younger but missed out minor team in 2011 due to injury. His club form with Raheny and playing Sigerson Cup with DCU brought him into contention with Dublin 21s. Dublin have used developments squads since 1998 when the copied what Laois were doing at the time.
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I think you have taken what I've said about Dublin's conveyor belt of young talent up wrong. I'm not jealous about anything. I see what's happening and I know that it's not good for the future of the GAA throughout the country and that includes Dublin. It's up to other counties to make their own case; Dublin can't be faulted for making the most of what's going. Where the conveyor belt of young talents is coming from is immaterial, that fact that it's there is not.
Mayo pushed the Dubs to the wire repeatedly but IMO, the Dubs survived because of the depth of talent on the bench, whereas Mayo were in trouble if the had to make more than one or two substitutions. That's also why I can't see any other county maintaining a challenge to Dublin for more than a year, or two at most.
If all this is to Dublin's advantage, it can only be short term. I can see the AI championship becoming as emasculated as the Leinster championship.
I realise that Dublin GAA needs every cent it can get to hold off the challenges of soccer and in recent years, rugby but so does everywhere else.
But Dublin getting 47% of the total development funding,leaving all 31 others to go suck the hind tit does nobody any good. Unless you have sustained strong opposition, what use is it to Dublin?
Having 20 plus consecutive victories is all very well but if the number of paying spectators continues to decline, no amount of mickey mouse fiddling with the premier championship will hide that fact.
I don't blame Dublin for any of this, at least no more than any other county but it defies logic to believe that this winning streak can go on forever.
John Costello, well, unleashed "Unleashing the Blue Wave" at the convention in 2011 but I'm reliably informed that work on creating it started some time after the defeat to Meath. It certainly took some time to put that document together. Incidentally, Pat Gilroy was one of the strongest critics, claiming that the objectives were unrealistic. They were, IIRC, that the footballers could expect an AI at least one in three years and the hurlers one in five. Problem was/ is that Costello and Paraic Duffy failed to realise that other counties were actually going backwards so it's no surprise that the Blue wave projections were an underestimation.
Anyway, Dublin knew since the publication of the Strategic Review Committee In 2002 that serious internal problems were coming down the line.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 15, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: mouview on August 15, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
Best of Mayo (from last year) plus best of Galway would beat Dublin; Mayo for defensive solidity and Galway for score-making ability.
Don't get over carried away with either! Both are greatly hyped!
Maybe, but that Mayo defence last year played Dubs forwards to a standstill. One or two more naturally attacking players and they would have been home.
I still think you over estimate and under estimate in your hypothesis!
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 15, 2018, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 14, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
Around 2010, after the senior team got hockeyed by Meath in a Leinster semi ( think it was 5-9 to 0-13 points) the CB decided enough was enough and had a comprehensive plan of action drawn up and submitted it to CC, looking for funding. This was the Blue Wave initiative nd if you haven't heard of it, google for it.
This was the prime reason for Dublin getting the lion's shared of the games development kitty.
Finally, because of their new development structures they happen to have a lot of very talented young footballers putting pressure all the time on the already established players so the competition will always be keen for places on the team so don't expect the Dubs to slacken off any time so and decide that enough is enough.
They will always be there ot thereabouts until the social and economic structure of the country undergoes massive change. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
And that, yer honour, is my best shot and I don't intend returning to this subject any time soon.
Which young players are you referring to?
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Well, you have Howard this year, O'Callaghan last year and Costello th year before that plus Kilkenny the year before that again. And they are only a few of those who have forced their way into contention since Dublin began to gather momentum from 2011 onwards.
Then you have the likes of Brian Fenton who was discovered while playing for a junior club but the odds are that he would never have been heard of ten years or even five earlier.
Same can be said about Lowndes, Murchan, Small, Scully to name a few. If Dublin weren't actively scouting for players with potential no matter if they came up through underage ranks or not, they wouldn't now be able to field at least two top class sides.
I think the vital difference between Mayo and The Dubs in recent years was that Dublin had a bench where everyone would get a game on any side in the country whereas with Mayo it's been a case of all fur coats and no knickers. Apart from their first 15, they had very few on the bench to compare with Dublin's reserves.
The Blue Wave was proposed in 2011 after Dublin All Ireland win so players above were already on Dublin radar. Kilkenny,Small,McCaffrey and Costello were only minor team that year. David Byrne, Scully and Lowndes were on minor team 2011 and 12. O'Callaghan, Howard and Murchan would have on u15/16 development squads at time. Brian Fenton was on development squads when younger but missed out minor team in 2011 due to injury. His club form with Raheny and playing Sigerson Cup with DCU brought him into contention with Dublin 21s. Dublin have used developments squads since 1998 when the copied what Laois were doing at the time.
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Another myth debunked, thank you Gael.
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@Hound, you are wasting your time with these lads, just sit back and enjoy, laugh at their posts. It gives me great pleasure.
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So, you're back again! ;D ;D ;D
Come to think of it weren't you the buck that told me Fenton played junior for Raheny? That was back when you masqueraded as The Aristocrat?
Look, to be charitable I don't go in for childish insults like you do but somehow, every time you show up on my radar, I immediately think of a jackass and one with serious psychological problems at that.
Then I feel I have to apologise to ol' velvet lugs for the insult in comparing you to him.
Dunno why but that happens each time you infest this board.
Just looking at Fenton. He did play Junior final for Raheny defeat(their second team) against Castleknock in 2012. Strange one as was on Dublin u21 panel that year and definitely senior league for his club. Must have injured for senior championship. Brian Howard also with Raheny won a Junior C medal 2 years later against my team in a final. Dublin minors were knocked out a week earlier to Donegal and was eligible to play final :(
Gael, again, thank you for the backing, I wasn't lying, he did play Junior football.
@Lar, chill out man, I only speak the truth and nothing insulting in my posts. See the post your replying to for example.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 15, 2018, 08:54:42 PM
Just looking at Fenton. He did play Junior final for Raheny defeat(their second team) against Castleknock in 2012. Strange one as was on Dublin u21 panel that year and definitely senior league for his club. Must have injured for senior championship. Brian Howard also with Raheny won a Junior C medal 2 years later against my team in a final. Dublin minors were knocked out a week earlier to Donegal and was eligible to play final :(
Yep, jiggerypokery by Raheny it sounds like.
Like when Whitehall's U21 team were playing Na Fianna's 2nd team a couple of years ago in the county U21B or U21C final. Murchin played for Na Fianna 2nds and marked Costello and Ni Fianna won.
Quote from: Hound on August 16, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 15, 2018, 08:54:42 PM
Just looking at Fenton. He did play Junior final for Raheny defeat(their second team) against Castleknock in 2012. Strange one as was on Dublin u21 panel that year and definitely senior league for his club. Must have injured for senior championship. Brian Howard also with Raheny won a Junior C medal 2 years later against my team in a final. Dublin minors were knocked out a week earlier to Donegal and was eligible to play final :(
Yep, jiggerypokery by Raheny it sounds like.
Like when Whitehall's U21 team were playing Na Fianna's 2nd team a couple of years ago in the county U21B or U21C final. Murchin played for Na Fianna 2nds and marked Costello and Ni Fianna won.
In fairness Howard hadn't played senior at the time for Raheny. Only played as Dublin minors knocked out. I remember Cormac Costello playing a AFL6 game for Whitehall week after 2013 AI Final. He was injured for a lot of that year.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 15, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
Quote from: mouview on August 15, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
Best of Mayo (from last year) plus best of Galway would beat Dublin; Mayo for defensive solidity and Galway for score-making ability.
AI final last year and the semi final last Saturday both Galway and Mayo created 29 scoring chances v Dublin. 1-16 (19) scored for Mayo and 2-12 (18) scored for Galway
Big difference was defensively. Just 26 scoring chances Dublin created in the AI final last year to 36 on Saturday.
Mayo stats from the All Ireland final last year:
Total shots: 29 / Scored: 17 (58% completion)
Shots from play : 23 / Scored: 13 (56% completion)
Shots from frees/45's/pens: 6 / Scored: 4 (66% completion)
Dublin stats from All Ireland final last year:
Total Shots: 26 / Scored: 18 (69% completion)
Galway stats from the semi-final this year:
Total shots: 27 / Scored: 14 (51% completion)
Shots from play: 19 / Scored: 10 (52% completion)
Shots from frees/45's/pens: 8 / Scored: 4 (50% completion)
Dublin stats from the semi-final this year:
Total shots: 36 / Scored: 25 (69% completion).
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Mayo of 2016/17 + Conor McManus would beat Dublin.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
;D
Best thing to do is to ignore it. He's atwitter clown along with Scruff Parkinson.
Its a disgrace he is give a national platform for his bias, that Galway article after they beat his county team shouldn't of been allowed.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
A well written piece in fairness. Instead of picking holes in the author let us try picking hole in the actual article.
I can't.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
On the money!!
We need a revolution in the GAA and it can't come quick enough! The current president's apparent endorsement of a tiered system is evidence of a continued drive into this cul de sac!
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
A well written piece in fairness. Instead of picking holes in the author let us try picking hole in the actual article.
I can't.
Its about his 30th article on the Dubs or Dublin in the last few years. He also makes money from writing about the Dubs, its a bit hypocritical, while he sits on a beach in Brazil ...
Wouldn't waste my time on his.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Or maybe do one on why Dublin u21s needed to come outside their own county to pick players.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
A well written piece in fairness. Instead of picking holes in the author let us try picking hole in the actual article.
I can't.
Its about his 30th article on the Dubs or Dublin in the last few years. He also makes money from writing about the Dubs, its a bit hypocritical, while he sits on a beach in Brazil ...
Wouldn't waste my time on his.
It's being ignored by the suits in HQ therefore he feels the need to keep bringing it up. There is obviously something up with football when we look at the attendances last weekend.
I don't agree with everything he writes but he's on the money (pun intended) here.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
Or he could write an article on the payments that the Dublin management and backroom team are receiving.
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
Or he could write an article on the payments that the Dublin management and backroom team are receiving.
Yeah I have no problem with that at all, write away, Im sure they will find that the only paid full time person involved is Bryan Cullen.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
Or he could write an article on the payments that the Dublin management and backroom team are receiving.
Yeah I have no problem with that at all, write away, Im sure they will find that the only paid full time person involved is Bryan Cullen.
;D ;D ;D
That is a seriously stupid article. If we're gonna talk about wasted money, we should start with the Indo.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
So anecdotal bullshit.
I wouldn't see it as an issue if it was to do with raising standards and being competitive, Naas underage hurlers play in Kilkenny for e.g. but juvenile football in Kildare is quite strong. Maybe teams from West Dublin invited the North Kildare clubs in to raise standards.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
No they don't, there underage teams have played some league and tournaments in South Dublin to improve standards just like Toreen in Mayo do likewise playing the Tain league against Galway clubs but Bray Emmets were Wicklow hurling champions in 2015 & 2016 and lost out in the semi-final last year so how is this possible if the play their hurling in Dublin?
You whine all the time about the bullshit arguments and general shite talk comments about Dublin (of which there are many) on here all they time but you yourself are King/Queen of shite talk on here throwing out barstool wisdow in one liners without any facts to back it up!
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 17, 2018, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
No they don't, there underage teams have played some league and tournaments in South Dublin to improve standards just like Toreen in Mayo do likewise playing the Tain league against Galway clubs but Bray Emmets were Wicklow hurling champions in 2015 & 2016 and lost out in the semi-final last year so how is this possible if the play their hurling in Dublin?
You whine all the time about the bullshit arguments and general shite talk comments about Dublin (of which there are many) on here all they time but you yourself are King/Queen of shite talk on here throwing out barstool wisdow in one liners without any facts to back it up!
Here's a fact - Adult Hurling Division 4 - https://www.dublingaa.ie/competitions/results/125336
Currently 5th.
They play Dublin Hurling league.
Another poster said I was wrong that Fenton played Junior Football for Raheny, they were proved wrong.
Lots of Ad hominem attacks from people who want to bury their head in the sand!
Well done lads!
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 09:23:22 AM
A well written piece in fairness. Instead of picking holes in the author let us try picking hole in the actual article.
I can't.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
A well written piece in fairness. Instead of picking holes in the author let us try picking hole in the actual article.
I can't.
Its about his 30th article on the Dubs or Dublin in the last few years. He also makes money from writing about the Dubs, its a bit hypocritical, while he sits on a beach in Brazil ...
Wouldn't waste my time on his.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
;D
Best thing to do is to ignore it. He's atwitter clown along with Scruff Parkinson.
Its a disgrace he is give a national platform for his bias, that Galway article after they beat his county team shouldn't of been allowed.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 10:50:02 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 17, 2018, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
No they don't, there underage teams have played some league and tournaments in South Dublin to improve standards just like Toreen in Mayo do likewise playing the Tain league against Galway clubs but Bray Emmets were Wicklow hurling champions in 2015 & 2016 and lost out in the semi-final last year so how is this possible if the play their hurling in Dublin?
You whine all the time about the bullshit arguments and general shite talk comments about Dublin (of which there are many) on here all they time but you yourself are King/Queen of shite talk on here throwing out barstool wisdow in one liners without any facts to back it up!
Here's a fact - Adult Hurling Division 4 - https://www.dublingaa.ie/competitions/results/125336
Currently 5th.
They play Dublin Hurling league.
Another poster said I was wrong that Fenton played Junior Football for Raheny, they were proved wrong.
You were not too quick coming up with your 'fact' on how much McGeeney was paid in Kildare. You just disappeared.
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
You too Donald.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Zoom. He's gone again.
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Zoom. He's gone again.
Actually have work to do and I like to diversify answering different posters, not just the 2 lads from Kildare who obviously have a chip on their shoulder about the Dubs and getting well beaten over the last Century.
Re: McGeeney , you say to me " Prove it ", I say to you prove that I am wrong.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Zoom. He's gone again.
Actually have work to do and I like to diversify answering different posters, not just the 2 lads from Kildare who obviously have a chip on their shoulder about the Dubs and getting well beaten over the last Century.
Re: McGeeney , you say to me " Prove it ", I say to you prove that I am wrong.
Dublin footballers get paid to miss work. Unless you can prove otherwise we will take that as fact.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Zoom. He's gone again.
Actually have work to do and I like to diversify answering different posters, not just the 2 lads from Kildare who obviously have a chip on their shoulder about the Dubs and getting well beaten over the last Century.
Re: McGeeney , you say to me " Prove it ", I say to you prove that I am wrong.
You are the one that made the accusation so it's up to you to prove it. You are not slow to refute accusations from other posters about Dublin.
Now either put up or shut up about McGeeney. Provide the facts.
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 12:15:12 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Zoom. He's gone again.
Actually have work to do and I like to diversify answering different posters, not just the 2 lads from Kildare who obviously have a chip on their shoulder about the Dubs and getting well beaten over the last Century.
Re: McGeeney , you say to me " Prove it ", I say to you prove that I am wrong.
You are the one that made the accusation so it's up to you to prove it. You are not slow to refute accusations from other posters about Dublin.
Now either put up or shut up about McGeeney. Provide the facts.
Nope
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Some of you just cant handle the truth.... 8)
Enjoy your Friday gents.
Zoom. He's gone again.
Actually have work to do and I like to diversify answering different posters, not just the 2 lads from Kildare who obviously have a chip on their shoulder about the Dubs and getting well beaten over the last Century.
Re: McGeeney , you say to me " Prove it ", I say to you prove that I am wrong.
Dublin footballers get paid to miss work. Unless you can prove otherwise we will take that as fact.
Ok, if that's what you want to do.
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GAA Discussion / Re: DUBLIN V REST OF IRELAND
« on: August 16, 2018, 09:09:56 AM »
Gael, again, thank you for the backing, I wasn't lying, he did play Junior football.
@Lar, chill out man, I only speak the truth and nothing insulting in my posts. See the post your replying to for example.
So you previous assertion that you 'only speak the truth' was actually a lie. ;D
That's what one calls a self pawn.
Your credibility is shot to pieces.
mup seems to actually believe that McGeeney wasn't paid to manage Kildare. ;D
Not sure what you're embarrassed about mup, given every outside manager in every county gets a few bob, and some locals too. Although I'd guess Kieran got more than most.
In Dublin, while neither Gilroy nor Gavin get a penny, you can't say the same about previous hurling managers and also many senior club managers in both codes in the county.
Mick o Dwyer never took a penny either....
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
mup seems to actually believe that McGeeney wasn't paid to manage Kildare. ;D
Not sure what you're embarrassed about mup, given every outside manager in every county gets a few bob, and some locals too. Although I'd guess Kieran got more than most.
In Dublin, while neither Gilroy nor Gavin get a penny, you can't say the same about previous hurling managers and also many senior club managers in both codes in the county.
And Hound and The Greatest think Jim Gavin does it for nothing.
Sure bless them.
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
mup seems to actually believe that McGeeney wasn't paid to manage Kildare. ;D
Not sure what you're embarrassed about mup, given every outside manager in every county gets a few bob, and some locals too. Although I'd guess Kieran got more than most.
In Dublin, while neither Gilroy nor Gavin get a penny, you can't say the same about previous hurling managers and also many senior club managers in both codes in the county.
And Hound and The Greatest think Jim Gavin does it for nothing.
Sure bless them.
Honestly, if you believe Jim Gavin is getting paid, then you're just an idiot.
Likewise, if you believe Kieran McGeeney wasn't.
But Dublin have paid hurling managers, as I said.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
mup seems to actually believe that McGeeney wasn't paid to manage Kildare. ;D
Not sure what you're embarrassed about mup, given every outside manager in every county gets a few bob, and some locals too. Although I'd guess Kieran got more than most.
In Dublin, while neither Gilroy nor Gavin get a penny, you can't say the same about previous hurling managers and also many senior club managers in both codes in the county.
And Hound and The Greatest think Jim Gavin does it for nothing.
Sure bless them.
Honestly, if you believe Jim Gavin is getting paid, then you're just an idiot.
Likewise, if you believe Kieran McGeeney wasn't.
But Dublin have paid hurling managers, as I said.
Sorry but when you resort to that I have zero interest in debating with you. You are just another have a go hero from behind your screen.
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
mup seems to actually believe that McGeeney wasn't paid to manage Kildare. ;D
Not sure what you're embarrassed about mup, given every outside manager in every county gets a few bob, and some locals too. Although I'd guess Kieran got more than most.
In Dublin, while neither Gilroy nor Gavin get a penny, you can't say the same about previous hurling managers and also many senior club managers in both codes in the county.
And Hound and The Greatest think Jim Gavin does it for nothing.
Sure bless them.
Honestly, if you believe Jim Gavin is getting paid, then you're just an idiot.
Likewise, if you believe Kieran McGeeney wasn't.
But Dublin have paid hurling managers, as I said.
Sorry but when you resort to that I have zero interest in debating with you. You are just another have a go hero from behind your screen.
But you're clearly clueless on this issue. Of that there is no doubt! Yet you still come back with your big man keyboard warrior nonsense.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
mup seems to actually believe that McGeeney wasn't paid to manage Kildare. ;D
Not sure what you're embarrassed about mup, given every outside manager in every county gets a few bob, and some locals too. Although I'd guess Kieran got more than most.
In Dublin, while neither Gilroy nor Gavin get a penny, you can't say the same about previous hurling managers and also many senior club managers in both codes in the county.
And Hound and The Greatest think Jim Gavin does it for nothing.
Sure bless them.
Honestly, if you believe Jim Gavin is getting paid, then you're just an idiot.
Likewise, if you believe Kieran McGeeney wasn't.
But Dublin have paid hurling managers, as I said.
Sorry but when you resort to that I have zero interest in debating with you. You are just another have a go hero from behind your screen.
But you're clearly clueless on this issue. Of that there is no doubt! Yet you still come back with your big man keyboard warrior nonsense.
Sorry but who do you think you are? I'm clueless on what exactly?
Your county colleague made an accusation about the vast sums that McGeeney was paid in his time in Kildare. I asked him for proof. I never got it. He disappeared when I asked for proof of the payments.
At no time did I say that McGeeney wasn't paid. So stop putting words into my mouth and resorting to childish name calling. Grow up a small bit and debate like an adult.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Mick o Dwyer never took a penny either....
No it was bundles of £s and €s.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Mick o Dwyer never took a penny either....
No it was bundles of £s and €s.
It was either pay for a decent manager or buy a team bus.
We went with the manager. It nearly worked out. Buying the bus would have been just stupid. ;D
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 16, 2018, 09:09:56 AM
Gael, again, thank you for the backing, I wasn't lying, he did play Junior football.
@Lar, chill out man, I only speak the truth and nothing insulting in my posts. See the post your replying to for example.
Fair point, I guess but I was relying on what Gael, sound man, had already posted. And, assuming that the latest post from Gael is correct and I have no reason to doubt his word, he played a junior game for Raheny - a small bit short of saying he was "discovered" playing junior.
However, you are are technically right on him playing junior with Raheny so you are 50% correct.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Evidence please? #fakenews
I heard that as well, not just Kildare clubs, a lot of Wicklow and Meath too, Sure Bray Emmets playing their hurling Dublin.
Or he could focus on the full time professional athletes in the Kildare team who gave up work for a year to focus on Football, I believe the are more than 4.
Are Kildare turning professional.
So anecdotal bullshit.
I wouldn't see it as an issue if it was to do with raising standards and being competitive, Naas underage hurlers play in Kilkenny for e.g. but juvenile football in Kildare is quite strong. Maybe teams from West Dublin invited the North Kildare clubs in to raise standards.
Naas have teams in hurling at u8s in Dublin. Blessington and Ashbourne have played in juvenile leagues in the past. Bray Emmets have adult team in Division 4 or 5 in Dublin.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Some fair points there Hound. I think McKenna is arguing a valid case ie, Dublin gets a disproportionate percentage of the development funds that are available, but he goes in for the overkill time after time. In doing so, he weakens his own case.
For me, he is at the opposite end of this ongoing debate to Paraic Duffy. If you recall, Duffy's last official pronouncement before fecking off back to where he came from was that the status quo must be maintained at all costs- Dublin needs every cent that's going and the game can't afford to be without a strong and vibrant Dublin.
LIke McKenna on his soapbox, he prefers to ignore the full picture and doesn't let facts get in the way of opinions.
Dublin GAA, and HQ, are under no illusions that the GAA in Dublin is facing strong opposition on a number of fronts and foremost here is the growth in popularity of rugby. But so is the rest of the country and robbing Peter to pay Paul benefits neither in the long run.
I'm all for tea ladies and underage coaches and the likes but senior intercounty competition is the lifeblood of the GAA and there is feck all point in having one superb all-conquering team in one county unless there are others capable of providing credible opposition.
That's why I think Duffy, John Costello and the likes have their heads up their arses when they seem to ignore the fact that the rest of the country is under duress also.
McKenna, on the other hand, goes way too far in the opposite direction. Dublin can't be blamed for hustling for every cent it can get but it's up to the rest to organise themselves and go kick ass down Jones's Road.
Quote from: mup on August 17, 2018, 09:50:03 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2018, 10:20:46 PM
I'll lave this with ye ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-cracks-are-appearing-in-the-dublin-gaa-model-and-its-time-to-ask-if-their-house-really-is-in-order-37223231.html
One of my better pieces.
He definitely gets his inspiration from here.
Wow an article full of ridiculous stats, with no actual conclusion other than Dublin are too good but they're really shite and a bit of a cry. I note he amends the Ulster stats to include only the "nationalist community" but makes no mention of country people in Dublin, the higher percentage of foreign people working in Dublin, and the far higher percentage of locals in a county who absolutely hate the GAA, and in particular their own county (or "West Brits" as the "nationalist community" might call them!)
He's not the only indo columnist who thinks his readers are idiots and will swallow any oul shite.
I'd like to see him do an article on why is that certain Kildare clubs have applied to play juvenile in Dublin instead of Kildare, despite his contention that Dublin GAA is being run so very badly!
Or maybe do one on why Dublin u21s needed to come outside their own county to pick players.
Michael Deegan was born in Dublin and as has been on Dublin development squads since u14. He has since transferred to Na Fianna. Didn't agree with Niall Quinn son Michael playing as wasn't from Dublin. He transferred to Thomas Davis for year but now back with Eadestown.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Mick o Dwyer never took a penny either....
No it was bundles of £s and €s.
;)
@MUP, I think you've lost the plot man. Are you telling us that McGeeney, who through his tenure with Kildare for was it 5 years? Wasn't in full time employment at the time. Come off it. I cant prove as its buried in books by the Kildare board but you cant prove its not true either.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 20, 2018, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 17, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Mick o Dwyer never took a penny either....
No it was bundles of £s and €s.
;)
@MUP, I think you've lost the plot man. Are you telling us that McGeeney, who through his tenure with Kildare for was it 5 years? Wasn't in full time employment at the time. Come off it. I cant prove as its buried in books by the Kildare board but you cant prove its not true either.
No I'm not telling you anything. I never mentioned McGeeney not getting anything from Kildare. you made an accusation that he was on a load of money (I'm paraphrasing) and I wanted to see what money he was on. You couldn't back it up with facts - only hearsay. So I don't have to prove anything because I didn't say he was getting nothing.
Now you are making an assertion that McGeeney wasn't in full time employment at that time. Now I might be wrong here but as far as I know he worked with his family's bottled water business.