China Coronavirus

[LeoMc]

A UK manufacturing company is opening up tomorrow to produce PPE for Ireland! The UK government aren't not using him despite him making his company available!

You see that article in the bbc?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-52358036

What else can be said at this point...?

But sure they are "working hard" to secure PPE when someone is knocking on their door to offer it and they won't answer.

I've seen several business owners on twitter who've PPE ready to go but have been continually ignored by the government.

Is there more to it and they're not meeting standards or something?

I am giving them benefit of the doubt mind but the tories really are not to be trusted and have put lives on the line.

You know what you do - you answer the phone, ascertain if it is to standards and if not, see what can be done to bring it into line.

No benefit of doubt for me. Incompetent or worse.

Don't worry about the Nigerian princes?
Look at the balls Trump made of the PR electricity network reconstruction, $m contracts handed out to a 1 man band operating out of his garage.

[RadioGAAGAA]

I think it has more to do with procurement rules and the number of offers they received. They need to filter out the scams from genuine then financial and regular audits before set up of the supplier contracts. There was a good thread on twitter but I cannot find it now.

"Where are you manufacturing the items?"

"Phil The Greek's shed, Buckingham Palace"

"OK, we'll send a police car around to quickly inspect and make sure you are actually set up to make them."

Initial procurement is for limited run and its slowly ramped up as confidence is gained in the supplier.


Its not rocket science - but obviously beyond this f**king shower in Westminster and Whitehall.


Note - if manufacturing is outside UK, then process would be very different.

[LeoMc]

Any thoughts on the trials being started in Oxford on Friday ?  is it a shot in the dark and has it a real shot at success or somewhere in between. 

Irelands new cases have slowed for the 3rd day in a row.

Hopefully more successful than the Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump got the past few weeks.
A trial does not guarantee success. Is it a vaccine, a cure or a test they are working on?

Its a vaccine, Oxford seem to think it has 80% of success but you would have to think that is pretty optimistic or else it is incredible work they are doing

Scientists do manage to produce a new flu vaccine every year so it is possible. Proving it and getting mass production and distribution will still take a bit of time.

[lenny]

Any thoughts on the trials being started in Oxford on Friday ?  is it a shot in the dark and has it a real shot at success or somewhere in between. 

Irelands new cases have slowed for the 3rd day in a row.

Hopefully more successful than the Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump got the past few weeks.
A trial does not guarantee success. Is it a vaccine, a cure or a test they are working on?

Its a vaccine, Oxford seem to think it has 80% of success but you would have to think that is pretty optimistic or else it is incredible work they are doing

Scientists do manage to produce a new flu vaccine every year so it is possible. Proving it and getting mass production and distribution will still take a bit of time.

They're hoping to be able to use it in the autumn. If initial trials are successful I'd say you could see it being used for the frontline NHS workers and also the most vulnerable in society. Then next spring it'd be rolled out for everyone else. For that to happen everything would need to go perfectly at each stage which is a long shot.

[johnnycool]

Any thoughts on the trials being started in Oxford on Friday ?  is it a shot in the dark and has it a real shot at success or somewhere in between. 

Irelands new cases have slowed for the 3rd day in a row.

Hopefully more successful than the Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump got the past few weeks.
A trial does not guarantee success. Is it a vaccine, a cure or a test they are working on?

Its a vaccine, Oxford seem to think it has 80% of success but you would have to think that is pretty optimistic or else it is incredible work they are doing

Scientists do manage to produce a new flu vaccine every year so it is possible. Proving it and getting mass production and distribution will still take a bit of time.

They're hoping to be able to use it in the autumn. If initial trials are successful I'd say you could see it being used for the frontline NHS workers and also the most vulnerable in society. Then next spring it'd be rolled out for everyone else. For that to happen everything would need to go perfectly at each stage which is a long shot.

Oxford and also a London university are working on vaccines, but as it was mentioned last night 4 out of every 5 vaccines get binned during the trial phase.

Here's hoping though!

[Smurfy123]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

[GetOverTheBar]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

The Govt probably concede that people are starting to probably (in Ireland) disregard the rules at this stage with regards to walking, exercise. This is probably them giving back a little to avoid mass disobedience (Which is something that would maybe become a factor the better the weather gets and a strict lockdown in place).Lets be honest - what can they do only throw a few rocks in front of a car park.

I don't really know why they have decided to keep cemeteries closed, maybe an emotional aspect. People hugging - people meeting up from various households.

[RedHand88]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

Could also replace the word parks with off licences. It's crazy. Open the damn graveyards.

[Smurfy123]

Yes open them up. What harm will anyone do? Everyone is being careful. Really do not know how the clowns at stormont can't see this.
Parks and Off licences open

[armaghniac]

Oxford and also a London university are working on vaccines, but as it was mentioned last night 4 out of every 5 vaccines get binned during the trial phase.

Here's hoping though!

There are something like 40 vaccine projects, so 4 out of 5 still leaves a few horses in the race, you only need one good one.
They are also trying every known drug on this virus, again most of these do not work but there are so many candidates that a few might prove useful. Perhaps a combination of these could be effective in turning the virus from life-threatening to a few days in hospital for most people.
For instance Ivermectin, which is already produced in huge quantities for animals and which had been used by people for 30 years
https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/ivermectin-can-kill-covid-19-within-48-hours-monash-university-study-finds

[Franko]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

Could also replace the word parks with off licences. It's crazy. Open the damn graveyards.

Agreed, I think they need to open.  There's no more of a risk there than there is with ones out walking up and down footpaths.

With regard to off licences, there's a pretty delicate balance being struck between what they'd like to do to stamp out the virus and what the public will realistically accept.  The Americans are hovering around that line in certain, less mentally advantaged areas, shall we say.  Allowing people to have a beer means that they are probably a little more tolerant of some of the other restrictions.

[thewobbler]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

Could also replace the word parks with off licences. It's crazy. Open the damn graveyards.

Agreed, I think they need to open.  There's no more of a risk there than there is with ones out walking up and down footpaths.

With regard to off licences, there's a pretty delicate balance being struck between what they'd like to do to stamp out the virus and what the public will realistically accept.  The Americans are hovering around that line in certain, less mentally advantaged areas, shall we say.  Allowing people to have a beer means that they are probably a little more tolerant of some of the other restrictions.

Or if you close off licences, you'll get people wandering into Tesco and Aldi every hour of the day for 6-packs, making supermarkets even more treacherous to work in, and even more frustrating to visit.

[armaghniac]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

Could also replace the word parks with off licences. It's crazy. Open the damn graveyards.

Agreed, I think they need to open.  There's no more of a risk there than there is with ones out walking up and down footpaths.

With regard to off licences, there's a pretty delicate balance being struck between what they'd like to do to stamp out the virus and what the public will realistically accept.  The Americans are hovering around that line in certain, less mentally advantaged areas, shall we say.  Allowing people to have a beer means that they are probably a little more tolerant of some of the other restrictions.

Or if you close off licences, you'll get people wandering into Tesco and Aldi every hour of the day for 6-packs, making supermarkets even more treacherous to work in, and even more frustrating to visit.

Stop supermarkets selling alcohol and use the shelves for sanitiser or something useful.

[thewobbler]

So you're demanding prohibition Armaghiac?


You need out of the house for a while lad... you're losing the plot.

[trailer]

Bill Gates speaking on BBC news last week even with a rushed vaccine it will take 18 months for it all to be approved. He said normally it would take between 4 and 5 years in normal circumstances. We are in this for the Long haul.
On a side note parks allowed to open cemeteries are not?
Are our government stupid?

Could also replace the word parks with off licences. It's crazy. Open the damn graveyards.

Agreed, I think they need to open.  There's no more of a risk there than there is with ones out walking up and down footpaths.

With regard to off licences, there's a pretty delicate balance being struck between what they'd like to do to stamp out the virus and what the public will realistically accept.  The Americans are hovering around that line in certain, less mentally advantaged areas, shall we say.  Allowing people to have a beer means that they are probably a little more tolerant of some of the other restrictions.

Or if you close off licences, you'll get people wandering into Tesco and Aldi every hour of the day for 6-packs, making supermarkets even more treacherous to work in, and even more frustrating to visit.

Stop supermarkets selling alcohol and use the shelves for sanitiser or something useful.

Wise up