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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 14, 2018, 04:06:10 PM »
I see Rossa have gave themselves a chance of staying in Div 1 today .... pressure on St Teresa's now

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 12, 2018, 02:09:16 PM »
Fair play to creggan???? They have spent 250k in past 12 years on managers for seniors lol. Bound to hit a bit of success with one. Biggest spending club in Antrim. Which they are fully entiltled to do but donít come this story of senior players giving back when a number have went to other clubs to manage for money.

Like who? The only one I can think of his Adrian Dougan.
What's the salary these days for a club manager. Admire LD for not paying their own guys on principle

If you have to admire a club for this then we are all up the creek.
I admire that the men involved were club men, doing it for their own club and for FREE. They weren't lured away but their greed
dont think St. Johnís r paying or st galls or St. Paulís or st Teresaís or rossa

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 11, 2018, 09:29:02 PM »
I see that the Derry SFC final is scheduled for the same day - that could affect attendance.

You think the Cargin ones will go to the Derry final instead?  ;)

Both Cargin and Creggan (and both Managers) have the strong backbone of Derry education.  You would probably be surprised at the amount of people disgruntled with the two finals being on the same day
don't be worrying about the managers turning up as they are paid mercenaries - sad to see these big clubs with big memberships and tradition going down the mercenary road

Not too many of the 'Big Clubs' in Antrim that have not used mercenaries in the past few years.  Certainly not an ideal situation but its probably a typical situation in most big clubs around Ireland. The odd 'club member' manager scattered around is a relative scarcity.

The big managerial merrygoround will continue onwards. Neither Cargin's nor Creggan's managers will be sitting with their feet up next year regardless of whether Cargin or Creggan release them from service at the end of the season.

The bigger question is how to stop it as it is fairly endemic now
From a Creggan point of view
1) We are a small club, a club with membership with massive commitment, but a small club none the less.
2) Managers, the club spent the majority of the 70's, 80, 90's in the lower leagues, and the majority of the playing personnel all had that playing experience. The last three internal managers Creggan had, Sean Maguire (intercounty experience), Peadar Totten (intercounty experience), Gerard Dougan (Div 1 and 2 experience). Outside of these guys, the players with intercounty experience either wanted to focus on underage, or had emigrated to foreign lands.
In the late 90's early 00's the club realized we had really good young potential, but didn't have managers with the experience to take us to the next level at senior level
3) The club focused on ensuring we had really good underage coaching structure (3 per team), and looked external for senior management
4) Players who brought the club up into Div 1 and stayed there, and who rep the county at underage senior, are now coaching underage teams within the club. The natural progression will be these lads coaching the senior team in the next 10+ years

Each club has to make decisions on what is best approach for their club to make sure their potential is maximized. Creggan took an approach that was intended to break a cycle of Div 2 status, and propel the club into senior status. On this point alone, the strategy has worked
 

It def has and its good to see. Also whats pleasing is the fact that your hurlers have rose to the fore and taken silverware in-between all of this. the foundations of the club are in a good solid state and that all comes from have good coaches and people in charge of every team.
Good that Creggan are not planning to pay the mercenaries forever but if you win the championship this year it will be with the help of Portglenone and St Endas and not a 100% Creggan victory - you are not alone in this but tarnishes it for me and would prefer all clubs put more faith in their own people

What have Creggan ever done on you? Youíre a bitter bitter man.
How does being against paid managers in a volunteer organisation make me bitter? Creggan is a smashing club in many ways and have done nothing on me. If Cargin win it, it will be with the help of Bellaghy and i'm against their decision to pay a manager too. Having an opinion doesn't make me bitter at all

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 11, 2018, 08:35:47 PM »
I see that the Derry SFC final is scheduled for the same day - that could affect attendance.

You think the Cargin ones will go to the Derry final instead?  ;)

Both Cargin and Creggan (and both Managers) have the strong backbone of Derry education.  You would probably be surprised at the amount of people disgruntled with the two finals being on the same day
don't be worrying about the managers turning up as they are paid mercenaries - sad to see these big clubs with big memberships and tradition going down the mercenary road

Not too many of the 'Big Clubs' in Antrim that have not used mercenaries in the past few years.  Certainly not an ideal situation but its probably a typical situation in most big clubs around Ireland. The odd 'club member' manager scattered around is a relative scarcity.

The big managerial merrygoround will continue onwards. Neither Cargin's nor Creggan's managers will be sitting with their feet up next year regardless of whether Cargin or Creggan release them from service at the end of the season.

The bigger question is how to stop it as it is fairly endemic now
From a Creggan point of view
1) We are a small club, a club with membership with massive commitment, but a small club none the less.
2) Managers, the club spent the majority of the 70's, 80, 90's in the lower leagues, and the majority of the playing personnel all had that playing experience. The last three internal managers Creggan had, Sean Maguire (intercounty experience), Peadar Totten (intercounty experience), Gerard Dougan (Div 1 and 2 experience). Outside of these guys, the players with intercounty experience either wanted to focus on underage, or had emigrated to foreign lands.
In the late 90's early 00's the club realized we had really good young potential, but didn't have managers with the experience to take us to the next level at senior level
3) The club focused on ensuring we had really good underage coaching structure (3 per team), and looked external for senior management
4) Players who brought the club up into Div 1 and stayed there, and who rep the county at underage senior, are now coaching underage teams within the club. The natural progression will be these lads coaching the senior team in the next 10+ years

Each club has to make decisions on what is best approach for their club to make sure their potential is maximized. Creggan took an approach that was intended to break a cycle of Div 2 status, and propel the club into senior status. On this point alone, the strategy has worked
 

It def has and its good to see. Also whats pleasing is the fact that your hurlers have rose to the fore and taken silverware in-between all of this. the foundations of the club are in a good solid state and that all comes from have good coaches and people in charge of every team.
Good that Creggan are not planning to pay the mercenaries forever but if you win the championship this year it will be with the help of Portglenone and St Endas and not a 100% Creggan victory - you are not alone in this but tarnishes it for me and would prefer all clubs put more faith in their own people

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:35:38 PM »
I see that the Derry SFC final is scheduled for the same day - that could affect attendance.

You think the Cargin ones will go to the Derry final instead?  ;)

Both Cargin and Creggan (and both Managers) have the strong backbone of Derry education.  You would probably be surprised at the amount of people disgruntled with the two finals being on the same day
don't be worrying about the managers turning up as they are paid mercenaries - sad to see these big clubs with big memberships and tradition going down the mercenary road

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 07, 2018, 06:43:53 PM »
8 antrim players getting to the pinacle of schools football and receiving a hogan cup medal in croke park might explain some of the hype in what otherwise is an absolute bleak outlook for the county? Care to explain the rest?

Mainstay of johnnies 3 in a row team on verge of competing in county finals in both codes. Hype justified.

Congratulations to st teresas/o donnells/mitchells/pearses in reaching county b final again along with rossa. Adh mor
Rossa in the minor B Championship and didn't play in any league this year! what's that all about? should they be allowed to do that? if all clubs decided to play championships only where would that leave us.....

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:30:08 AM »
Weekend predictions. Let's hear yours

St Galls v Cargin - St Galls by 2
Creggan v St Johns - Creggan by 2
Gort Na Mona v Ballymena - Gorts by 3
St Endas v Moneyglass - St Endas by 5


Wouldnít disagree with that.
St Johns a better championship team than Creggan so fancy them. Cargin, if not carrying any injuries, will be better prepared than St Galls for a semi final after the 2 games against LD. Both matches very even though - great to see. Gorts just and St Enda's comfortably as I've seen them in Div 1 a few times this year - very fit and committed

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 30, 2018, 06:47:01 PM »
I see cargin 1/2 and LD 2/1 which is closer than last week in the bookies.Cargin were super in first half but they seriously panicked in the 2nd half even though they have some very experienced players - surprised me
The bookmakers are in the know.... ;)
that's why they are rich and I'm skint!

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 29, 2018, 02:52:37 PM »
I see cargin 1/2 and LD 2/1 which is closer than last week in the bookies.Cargin were super in first half but they seriously panicked in the 2nd half even though they have some very experienced players - surprised me

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Antrim / Re: Antrim, the way forward
« on: September 28, 2018, 06:37:15 PM »
Any word on the start of Gaelfast?

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 28, 2018, 06:35:32 PM »
Cargin LD replay should be a good game on Sunday. Any predictions or injury news out there.....

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 23, 2018, 08:46:54 PM »
I couldnít work out why cargin were clear favorites v champs LD and tonightís result showed thereís not much between the teams. R LD not getting credit for winning it last year or is Damien Cassidy seen as a class manager....

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 21, 2018, 08:15:29 PM »
Great to be saying something positive about the CCC ! The u21 Football competition has been revamped into 5 group league format along a divisional basis then A&B knockout championship all county thereby each team gets at least 4 matches

Maith thu CCC!

at this stage of the year its madness. earlier in the year it would of made sense but not now.

its a good idea but the timing of the competition is just all wrong. the U21 hurling championship has been and gone ages ago so how come the football is played off in the winter.
I believe the county has booked 4G facilities to run the competition which will really help the competition

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 20, 2018, 06:58:36 PM »
Great to be saying something positive about the CCC ! The u21 Football competition has been revamped into 5 group league format along a divisional basis then A&B knockout championship all county thereby each team gets at least 4 matches

Maith thu CCC!

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 15, 2018, 01:44:42 PM »
IMO not as harsh as £100 fines imposed on clubs for failing to field at minor football.
Profiteering or paying for King Henry's hotel!!!
is that 100 quid even if u give notice in advance?

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