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On current form would be madness.  Had a decent game today.

Agree.  The recent improvement in results has coincided with him starting more regularly. Although I would like to see big Can in central midfield for a couple of the cup  games to see how he does.

[Missed Gerrard]

Poor game but a good result. Played well first half but could not put them away. Second half was poor. Missed Gerrard and didn't get at Sunderland enough with the man advantage.

Laser played well on the wing but faded badly.

Missed Gerrard You should work for the BBC! When they went down to 10 men they became ultra defensive and changed shape. Gerard's removal had very little to do with that second half performance Tabclear.

Gerrard is the one player who is always looking to pass forward and pass quickly.  With lucas and Henderson today it was mainly sideways passing, giving sunderland time to get back. No matter what you might think of Gerrard, he does increase the speed at which the ball gets moved forward. 

I couldn't disagree more with you TabClear. Gerrard, when in the defensive midfield position, more often than not tries to play first touch and gives it to the centre backs, full backs or tries the long diagonal when he has time and space. Lucas actually takes up better positions to get on the ball and feed the likes of Coutinho through the middle. Lucas gets his head up and looks forward first, if there is nothing on he will go sideways but I have noticed a lot more forward passes from that area of the field over the last 6 weeks. Even today, when Gerrard did come a bit deeper at times during the first half today, it was with his back to goal to receive a pass and give it back again. He never looks to take the passes on the half turn and get at the opposition anymore. Everything is neat and tidy with no incision. That is part of the reason why things were so laboured earlier in the season throughout the team with Gerrard in the deeper position. Contrast that with now and the angles and positions that Coutinho takes up, for example, and the difference is easy to see. Greater threat, quicker passing and better movement more akin to what we were used to last season.

Gerrard still has much to offer, don't get me wrong but he has his limitations and we were weaker in that area of the field with Gerrard in there instead of Lallana today.

Well we disagree on that one. For the goal, Gerrard was pushing on and looking to break into the box. Don't get me wrong, I like Henderson and lucas and a lot of Gerrard passes are Hollywood balls or low percentage passes, but he has much better vision than either of those players. Against 10 men I think that would have been important.

[Missed Gerrard]

Poor game but a good result. Played well first half but could not put them away. Second half was poor. Missed Gerrard and didn't get at Sunderland enough with the man advantage.

Laser played well on the wing but faded badly.

Missed Gerrard You should work for the BBC! When they went down to 10 men they became ultra defensive and changed shape. Gerard's removal had very little to do with that second half performance Tabclear.

Gerrard is the one player who is always looking to pass forward and pass quickly.  With lucas and Henderson today it was mainly sideways passing, giving sunderland time to get back. No matter what you might think of Gerrard, he does increase the speed at which the ball gets moved forward. 

Poor game but a good result. Played well first half but could not put them away. Second half was poor. Missed Gerrard and didn't get at Sunderland enough with the man advantage.

Laser played well on the wing but faded badly.

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Where's the Kvarme Police. Worst regular to play for Liverpool.  Worse than Djimi.

Starting Italian World cup centre half in there? Although when he played with Liverpool he was dreadful

He was only 18-19 years of age.  He was a bit slow and that's what caught him out,  as he has gained experience he has developed into a pretty good defender.  I reckon that Nicky Tanner should be in there before him.  Nunez wan't the worst either, just unfortunate with injury and never really adapted to the PL.  I reckon the new Zidane deserves that spot,  Anthony le Tallec!!!

Bruno Cheyrou was heralded as the new Zidane when he signed as well. Torben Piechnick should make the team in some form.  The scandanavian Hansen!

Thats brilliant. The effort some of these clowns went to to prove that 7divided by 2 =3.5...or is it???

And some of the insults that are thrown in ..."fuktard", "fuk you dum", "you lose" followed by "you need to lose....some bodyfat"

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Where's the Kvarme Police. Worst regular to play for Liverpool.  Worse than Djimi.

Starting Italian World cup centre half in there? Although when he played with Liverpool he was dreadful

Some analysts have suggested that it stalled because it was travelling too slowly or climbing too steeply.

Didn't think it was possible to stall an Airbus, the fly-by-wire isn't supposed to let you pull up too steeply or slowly.

"We can only find out from the black box," said Mr Sudibyo.

Can't believe we're still using local data storage in this day and age, instead of beaming everything into the cloud as the flight progresses.

Muppet, Aerlik why is this? Is it technically not possible to do this or is it some other reason?. I'm assuming it is possible given they can tell what is happening with the mars rover in real time?

Heard him say he wished Brendan had come ten years earlier and he would have won leagues. Found that very strange. If Brendan was in charge ten years ago Anfield would not have seen Alonso or Torres or a sniff of champions league. If Brendan was in charge ten years ago Gerrard would not still be a Liverpool player.

That's as much a swipe at Rafa as anything else,  Rafa and SG and Carra did not necessarily see eye to eye and I'd say he is getting a wee cut across him here.

Yeah the two of them wanted The Owl to replace Rafa. Shows their opinions of managers is best ignored. Whatever people's opinions of Rafa were his record at Liverpool with minimal resources was impressive especially in Europe. Apart from his last season finishing top four was almost guaranteed.  He wanted Dani Alves but Parry wouldn't stump up. Had to settle for Pennant and still got to another Champions League final.

Fergie recommended Moyes..... You never know how a new man will fit in no matter what the track record/calibre of the recommendation

Jesus wept, I had recorded the cardinal s panthers game and avoided the score all day. That was brutal viewing.  Even accepting all the injuries, you would expect more of a contest.Were it not for the panthers mistakes it would have been catastrophic!

Steelers Ravens was a decent game but the lack of a run threat cost pittsburgh in the end.

[Muppet, what right has Sean Fitzpatrick to tell Sean Quinn or any individual what to do??.]

Muppet, what right has Sean Fitzpatrick to tell Sean Quinn or any individual what to do??.

He (SF) was running a listed company so he was legally obliged to give the correct information to the market. After that whatever anybody decides as far a share price goes, up to them. FFS I lost money on Anglo, Sean Fitz did nt ring me or meet me in a hotel to tell me not to buy (Quite the opposite as it happens) but if you don't want to take risks then the stock market is not for you.

I'm not defending SQ here, like I say I lost money on Anglo. But, I knew the risks. As far as I am concerned Anglo have a lot more to answer for here than SQ as an individual. I understand that subsequent events means that the burden falls on the taxpayer but that does not mean that it is wrong and the family cannot seek compensation.



I do think the whole things was badly managed both sides (understatement of 2014), but, the aim now should be to maximise the return to stakeholders. Bottom line as far as I am concerned is that there is more for everyone if SQ is back running the ship.

What right? He was chairman of a bank meeting a man he thought was about to collapse that bank with a daft financial instrument. I'm sure your investment wasn't quite as threatening.

But it was legal. CFDs might not be the preferred option for a Chairman of a listed company as you cannot necessarily tell who owns your company but it was within the law. Its the price you pay for listing on the stock exchange and accessing the capital markets. SF might not have liked it but the argument is that his actions were driven by supporting the share price, and that is getting into company law territory, hence the family's case.

Muppet, what right has Sean Fitzpatrick to tell Sean Quinn or any individual what to do??.

He (SF) was running a listed company so he was legally obliged to give the correct information to the market. After that whatever anybody decides as far a share price goes, up to them. FFS I lost money on Anglo, Sean Fitz did nt ring me or meet me in a hotel to tell me not to buy (Quite the opposite as it happens) but if you don't want to take risks then the stock market is not for you.

I'm not defending SQ here, like I say I lost money on Anglo. But, I knew the risks. As far as I am concerned Anglo have a lot more to answer for here than SQ as an individual. I understand that subsequent events means that the burden falls on the taxpayer but that does not mean that it is wrong and the family cannot seek compensation.



I do think the whole things was badly managed both sides (understatement of 2014), but, the aim now should be to maximise the return to stakeholders. Bottom line as far as I am concerned is that there is more for everyone if SQ is back running the ship.

[From a group perspective what had they to gain and everything to lose?]

If Anglo hadn't loaned the money he would have had to close out earlier than he did. He would have missed the St paddys day massacre. He could have been in a position to service the debt at that stage. Of course that meant dropping a load of Anglo shares on the market which would have hit their share price. And that's when Anglo stepped in.

He couldn't cash in because he couldn't make the margin calls. And had his brokerage made him cash in the bank would have collapsed.

Was it Sean personally who was liable for the margin calls or the Group?

Good question, I don't know what collateral the CFD House had, but they don't take losses or risk when entering a CFD, so it is likely everything was on the line. McCaffrey (correct name?) sent a letter to Anglo once they got involved putting up the QG as collateral.

that's what I thought. I remember reading about that letter and could never understand it. From a group perspective what had they to gain and everything to lose? I would have thought taking on liability of that size wound have needed bond holder approval?

They stood to gain the loans to cover the margin calls and keep the CFD House wolf from the door. At that point in time, if they believed Anglo's share price falling was temporary, they may have thought this was a good thing. Hindsight obviously tells us the opposite.

How would they have benefitted from this? I understand that if the share price had went up they would have had the profit, same as anyone else. But it was a massive risk. Clearly the whole thing only happened because of who Sean Quinn was. But

a) If he was not a group Shareholder, surely McCaffrey or whoever the Group CEO was could not have given collateral over group assets without considering directors duties to act in the best interest of the company?
b) If you make the argument that (a) did nt apply because they thought the share price would rise and the Group stood to make a profit, given the size of the investment in shares relative to the size of the company, I would have thought that any bond agreement would have negative pledge clauses stopping the Board from making such a material change to the Group strategy/Balance Sheet without bond holder approval. These would be relatively standard. At the end of the day the bond holders (pension funds/fund managers etc) didn't invest how many £100s of millions to let Liam McCaffrey decide how the stock market was going to go. They have plenty of their own people to do that.

I'm no lawyer and am sure that everything was covered off but it just seems bizarre in terms of how lax everything was in terms of paperwork.

If Anglo hadn't loaned the money he would have had to close out earlier than he did. He would have missed the St paddys day massacre. He could have been in a position to service the debt at that stage. Of course that meant dropping a load of Anglo shares on the market which would have hit their share price. And that's when Anglo stepped in.

He couldn't cash in because he couldn't make the margin calls. And had his brokerage made him cash in the bank would have collapsed.

Was it Sean personally who was liable for the margin calls or the Group?

Good question, I don't know what collateral the CFD House had, but they don't take losses or risk when entering a CFD, so it is likely everything was on the line. McCaffrey (correct name?) sent a letter to Anglo once they got involved putting up the QG as collateral.

that's what I thought. I remember reading about that letter and could never understand it. From a group perspective what had they to gain and everything to lose? I would have thought taking on liability of that size wound have needed bond holder approval?

If Anglo hadn't loaned the money he would have had to close out earlier than he did. He would have missed the St paddys day massacre. He could have been in a position to service the debt at that stage. Of course that meant dropping a load of Anglo shares on the market which would have hit their share price. And that's when Anglo stepped in.

He couldn't cash in because he couldn't make the margin calls. And had his brokerage made him cash in the bank would have collapsed.

Was it Sean personally who was liable for the margin calls or the Group?