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#1006
General discussion / Re: PDC Premier League of Darts
December 30, 2019, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 30, 2019, 11:02:43 PM
What did he do?

Hard to see anything other than MVG annihilating Wright.
Why's that?
#1007
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
December 30, 2019, 05:54:57 PM
Hahaha they're not using an old Nikon that you buy out of the shop here ;D
They're able to use goal line technology so they're gonna be using cameras that are highly advanced enough (the best and most precise system according to Dermot Gallagher) that they can slow it down and determine the exact point of contact.
#1008
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
December 30, 2019, 05:24:09 PM
Yes, that's the easiest thing for VAR to establish, slow motion and freeze at the point of contact.  They do that first
#1009
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
December 30, 2019, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 30, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
There was a league table I saw today on with net scores on teams benefit from it. It was actually tweeted by stevie McDonnell.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/story/3929823/how-var-decisions-have-affected-every-premier-league-club

Interesting reading.

As correct as it can be means it isn't one hundred percent. For marginal offside calls it shouldn't be used.
Yes it should. The lines are precise, and if VAR says it's offside, then it is, therefore the goal shouldn't stand. Simple.
#1010
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
December 30, 2019, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on December 30, 2019, 04:40:31 PM
will a tyrone club win an ulster championship this coming decade  :)
Of course, Intermediate and Junior  ;D
#1011
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
December 30, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 30, 2019, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
Have to say that I don't see what all the fuss is about regarding VAR. Both calls were spot on. The wolves one was offside, marginally or not, therefore no goal. It really is that simple.
Everyone seems to have a problem saying you can't rule goals out if its that close, but that's what VAR is for. We had a 'goal' at Man City last season that was 11 millimetres from going over the line that cost us the title, but that was grand and there was no fuss kicked up over that. So to say we can't be giving these marginal calls offside when they're offside and that it's ruining the game is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion. VAR was brought in to get those tight decisions correct, and that's what it's doing.

But on a side note, a great 2019 and some run we're on, but i'll not believe it until she has red ribbons on the handles.

It's all about margins of error

1) when the ball was actually kicked, i.e. I presume when it leaves the foot is what they're using
2) the line drawn on where the last part of the defender is, not sure of this and can't find out how they draw that line
3) the line drawn on where the scoring part of the attacker is..... as above.

There's a fair bit of tolerance to be allowed for and I'm not sure how they do that but IMO if the thickness of the lines is that said tolerance then any overlapping of the two lines drawn should result in a goal standing as even VAR cannot be sure someone is offside,  benefit of the attacker and all that.

Probably didn't explain that too well...
1)Yes.
2)Yes, the last part of the defender that can play the ball. The line is drawn vertically from that point on his body from floor upwards and that line on the floor is taken.
3)No, whatever body part the attacker scores with isn't taken into account. Like the defender, the last part of the attacker that can play the ball is taken, and the line is drawn the same as the defender's, from the floor vertically upwards to wherever the last part of the attackers body is. These two lines on the floor are measured from the point when the ball is played.
Former referee Dermot Gallagher on Sky Sports says this 3D software is as accurate as can be in the world today, and there is rightly no grey area on offsides, because if you start yapping about marginal offside calls even though they're offiside and trying o change rules etc then that's the beginning of the end of football. So basically if it's offside it's offside, suck it up if you don't like it, because the decision is the correct one.
#1012
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
December 30, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
Have to say that I don't see what all the fuss is about regarding VAR. Both calls were spot on. The wolves one was offside, marginally or not, therefore no goal. It really is that simple.
Everyone seems to have a problem saying you can't rule goals out if its that close, but that's what VAR is for. We had a 'goal' at Man City last season that was 11 millimetres from going over the line that cost us the title, but that was grand and there was no fuss kicked up over that. So to say we can't be giving these marginal calls offside when they're offside and that it's ruining the game is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion. VAR was brought in to get those tight decisions correct, and that's what it's doing.

But on a side note, a great 2019 and some run we're on, but i'll not believe it until she has red ribbons on the handles.
#1013
General discussion / Re: The SDLP
December 21, 2019, 01:52:30 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 21, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2019, 08:57:41 AM
Never heard of an Austrian language.
Precisely the point. Many European countries have their borders built around a common or popular language but it is most certainly not a requirement.

Germans and Austrians can easily understand each other, but Austria's national identity doesn't rely on having a unique, distinct national language.

On the other hand, the majority of Swiss people are nominally regarded as speaking German as their first language - but the dialect(s) of "Swiss German" is almost incomprehensible to most other German speakers save for those living near the border with Switzerland - if German or Austrian media are using video or audio of someone speaking Swiss German, most of the time it is subtitled or dubbed. For these reasons, school children in the Swiss German language area are taught "Swiss standard German" as a separate language subject in order to be able to speak to other German speakers at large.

For the record, there is a small ethnic & linguistic German speaking minority in Denmark in the North Schleswig/South Jutland area, though most of them can also speak Danish as a second language. Conversely, there is also a Danish speaking minority in the Schleswig-Holstein state in Germany whom have access to their own schools and community associations, as well as their own political party to represent their interests.

And what about those Indo-European languages that don't lend themselves to a (mostly) monolingual nation, and by & large whose groups of speakers have little or no nationalist movement? The Romansh speakers in Switzerland, Ladin speakers in Italy, Frisians in both the Netherlands & Germany, various dialects of Sami speakers in northern Scandinavia, Galician speakers in Spain, numerous local languages in Russia (Tatar, Bashir etc.) and so on? Then also flip it around with say the significant amount of Hungarian speakers in Slovakia, Serbia & Romania, the German/Alsatian speakers of Alsace/Elass in France, Swedish speakers in Finland, German speakers outside of the main German language area in central & eastern Europe inc. Poland, Romania, Italy, Russia, among others due to historic migration patterns and borders drawn after the endings of battles or wars. None of these linguistic and/or ethnic minorities in another country are generally regarded as fifth columnists because the speak the language of a neighbouring or nearby country, the same way not all monolingustic anglophones in Scotland are freverent supporters of the UK.

TL;DR version - a language can be a backbone to a nation or country, but it is most certainly not a prerequisite - other cultural principles can apply.

So as it stands, the one-upmanship of "No True Irishman" comes up again - funny how the majority of such claim to be inclusive yet give their definition of Irishness based on exclusiveness (which of course never excludes them). Can't have it both ways.
That's irrelevant to the situation in Ireland though because the people you have mentioned that speak the minority language (Or variants of the dominant one) are still going to be able to speak the dominant language of the country they're in because it's spoken by everyone, unlike Irish here.
#1014
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
December 04, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: Rodger Mona on December 04, 2019, 04:46:40 PM
Hereson for you all to ponder. Was  arguing with a man earlier with this one. He told me "no team in antrim would be capable of winning the derry Senior Championship" and "antrims top 4 would be lucky to make top 6 in Derry"

I tend to disagree, i think Antrims big 3, Cargin, Lamh Dearg and St.galls would beat most teams in Derry.

Any opinions on this? Would like to hear from the SW contingency, as to their thoughts on this,as they probably watch more football across the divide than the rest
I would tend to agree with him. Not one of Antrims clubs would win their championship think thats fairly obvious, although a few have the potential to make their top 6.
#1015
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
November 27, 2019, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 27, 2019, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on November 27, 2019, 02:26:06 PM
I have to admit reading recent posts has punctured my positive view of SW clubs - while I know about the paid coaches I didn't realise there was a Merrygoround of players between the clubs and Bellaghy too - I thought SW had it over the city in terms of you play for local club for life  through bad times and good

Belfast GAA man, there isn't a merry-go-round as has been reported, and Creggan do not have a poaching culture, there isn't a recruiting drive in the pubs in Randalstown!!!

Tir nNog players transferred into Creggan for a number of reasons, including;fallout with Whitehill management, married into Creggan families and moved into the area, and the last one, players who are unhappy with their team's commitment will move to the senior team.

If we look at the final last year, only the goalkeeper was an outsider, who has moved in I believe. All the rest came up through the ranks and the Creggan coaching program.

During the past 10 -15 years, Creggan have lost players to Whitehill, and players to Cargin. The biggest one was Gerard O'Boyle to Cargin, and the driver for him going to Cargin was not poaching, but a fallout within the Creggan club.

Creggan is a split parish club. Out in the Creggan Townland, half of Creggan players would live in the Duneene parish and half in Randalsown. So you get the situation where Kevin O'Boyle grew up within two miles of Creggan pitch and is a Cargin man and the McAteers / Maguire's / McAuley's / Duffins / Mc Canns  live in Cargin's heartland, but are Creggan men.

So the insult about Creggan being a poaching club is BS.

From a rivalry POV, as a Creggan lad who grew up in Cranfield, Cargin is our No 1 rival, while the Creggan townies would view Tir Na Nog as their No 1 rival.

Years ago, the Cargin / Creggan rivalry was fierce, as you had brothers and cousins going up against each other. If you looked at the pictures in the Irish News regarding Millquarter PS, the school was split 50 -50. Caralane and Creggan Ps would vary, but neither would be 100% Creggan or Cargin, and this is where the major rivalry exists.

If you asked the Toome based Cargin lads, they would prob point to Moneyglass being the big rivalry

So long story short,
Creggan as a poaching club = BS
Creggan paying too much on coaches = probably
Creggan - Cargin rivalry = Fierce
Creggan - Whitehill rivalry = Fierce (but from my POV, not as great as Cargin)
Those excuses you gave for boys transferring are a load of shit. Marrying into a family/moving into the parish is no credible reason, anybody normal would play for the club they're at as Creggan is is only 5 mins down the road anyway. "Unhappy at the commitment levels so transfers to the senior club" is laughable, poor excuse for being a glory hunter. Not criticising the club as I'd assume they'd take what they can get, but boys giving these excuses for a transfer need to take a good look at themselves. They're not moving county, they're moving 5 mins down the road.
#1016
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
November 21, 2019, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on November 21, 2019, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 20, 2019, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 20, 2019, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 20, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 20, 2019, 02:31:47 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 20, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.

Incorrect

I beg to differ. And I like going to Tyrone championship matches. This was the first year in a long time I wasn't at any Tyrone championship games, and that was because I bought most of them to watch online.

However I like them because of the bite, and how evenly teams are matched. I really don't think the overall standard is great.

the standards are that high of quality they end up cancelling one another out.

Maybe if you keep telling yourself that enough then a Tyrone team might finally win an USCFC.

what would you know, shape of your name. Tyrone is the pinnacle of club football. Your arrogance is unbelievable
The irony. Maybe a tyrone team will win it next year  ;D
#1017
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
November 20, 2019, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 20, 2019, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 20, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 20, 2019, 02:31:47 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 20, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
Tyrone club football has proven to be of a poor standard for many years now.

A brilliant club championship as there are many teams of similar standard. But the Tyrone teams aren't of good standard.

Omagh in 2014 were the only Tyrone team to make an Ulster final in the past 17 years.

Incorrect

I beg to differ. And I like going to Tyrone championship matches. This was the first year in a long time I wasn't at any Tyrone championship games, and that was because I bought most of them to watch online.

However I like them because of the bite, and how evenly teams are matched. I really don't think the overall standard is great.

the standards are that high of quality they end up cancelling one another out.

Maybe if you keep telling yourself that enough then a Tyrone team might finally win an USCFC.
#1018
Quote from: trailer on November 20, 2019, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 20, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 20, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
I don't think they're "fantastic" which is so subjective but MPs who've made significant contributions

Mark Durkan - Forced the British Gov to admit that if NI voted to unite with ROI they would be re-accepted into the EU without application process. Called out the SF and British dirty deal to give amnesty to Soldiers and Terrorists involved in the Troubles.

Aneran Bevan - Minister for Health

Parnell - Leader of Irish Nationalism

Leo Abse - Proposed Homosexual law reform

John Bercow - There's a case to be made here for how he has steered the Brexit debate

Seamus Mallon - Patten report was improved of the back of Mallon's work in the Commons

LSH - While a Unionist has fought as the lone NI Remain voice despite quite a vitriol from the DUP.

Jess Phillips
Iain Blackforth
Maidri Black

That's just off the top of my head. And you can pick holes and say they did that and this one did this and so on and so on. Such is the luxury of those on the sideline who don't have to make a stand.

No Minister is universally popular and they will have to make decisions that will make them unpopular or popular with their base. But they make decisions nonetheless and sometimes it's those unpopular decisions that we remember them for so perhaps electing MPs to go and argue in our favour isn't a bad idea. After all this is exactly what SF do in the Dail and in Brussels.

I support a United Ireland but to think it can be achieved by disengaging with the British state isn't a credible position. After all, the new Ireland will require significant support both politically and monetary from the UK Government.








A united Ireland will require financial and political support from Britain? Are you for real?

Yes. This is widely accepted by all Nationalist parties. What is your proposal? That the ROI pays financially alone? Without even UK government political support?


Since when has all these nationalist parties you speak of accepted British interference even in a united Ireland? A united ireland that still means the UK has an input in our politics? I must have missed that one...
The UK government can't even get their own mess in order without suggesting they're going to be needed over here in the event of a united Ireland. 
After the UK leaves the EU, a united Ireland economy inside the EU would grow by over 35 billion inside the first few years alone. So it's not a case of whether the south can afford us, but it makes economic sense for everyone.
#1019
Quote from: trailer on November 20, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
I don't think they're "fantastic" which is so subjective but MPs who've made significant contributions

Mark Durkan - Forced the British Gov to admit that if NI voted to unite with ROI they would be re-accepted into the EU without application process. Called out the SF and British dirty deal to give amnesty to Soldiers and Terrorists involved in the Troubles.

Aneran Bevan - Minister for Health

Parnell - Leader of Irish Nationalism

Leo Abse - Proposed Homosexual law reform

John Bercow - There's a case to be made here for how he has steered the Brexit debate

Seamus Mallon - Patten report was improved of the back of Mallon's work in the Commons

LSH - While a Unionist has fought as the lone NI Remain voice despite quite a vitriol from the DUP.

Jess Phillips
Iain Blackforth
Maidri Black

That's just off the top of my head. And you can pick holes and say they did that and this one did this and so on and so on. Such is the luxury of those on the sideline who don't have to make a stand.

No Minister is universally popular and they will have to make decisions that will make them unpopular or popular with their base. But they make decisions nonetheless and sometimes it's those unpopular decisions that we remember them for so perhaps electing MPs to go and argue in our favour isn't a bad idea. After all this is exactly what SF do in the Dail and in Brussels.

I support a United Ireland but to think it can be achieved by disengaging with the British state isn't a credible position. After all, the new Ireland will require significant support both politically and monetary from the UK Government.








A united Ireland will require financial and political support from Britain? Are you for real?
#1020
GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
November 11, 2019, 01:50:27 PM
It's a shambles of a format, makes a mockery of the thing.