Money, Dublin and the GAA

[MayoBuck]

TG4's competition question at the break there...

Subaru is the official car partner for which county?
A. Kildare
B. Dublin
C. Offaly

[twohands!!!]

TG4's competition question at the break there...

Subaru is the official car partner for which county?
A. Kildare
B. Dublin
C. Offaly

That's superb/subaru) mickey-taking

[manfromdelmonte]

I wonder who Leitrim or Longford's official car partner is?

[Lar Naparka]

I wonder who Leitrim or Longford's official car partner is?

Raleigh. I got in on good authority that they will be peddling about on high nellys this year.

[Dave like the tv channel]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

[Dinny Breen]

http://www.football365.com/news/questions-emerge-over-tottenhams-fa-cup-advantage

Meh! Ask any Dublin fan and they will tell you it's a disadvantage to play all your games at home.

[Orchard park]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

[Syferus]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

Why did they start winning National Leagues, Leinster and underage titles all of a sudden?

[Dinny Breen]

Read the thread

Christ do people only gauge success in All-Irelands

As for hurling. seriously

5 Leinster Minors and 3 runners-up in the last 12 years. Prior to that it was 1 in 40 years.

4 Leinster u21s since 2007 and 2 runners up. Prior to that you have to go back to 1972.

1 Senior Leinster Title in 2013, 1st in 50 odd years.  They even won the National League for the 1st time 70 years in 2011.

The hurling success is not measured in All-Irelands but from where they were before Bertie's cash intervention supplemented by GAA money to now, is miles apart.

[Premier Emperor]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

[Syferus]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.

[Premier Emperor]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.

No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

[Syferus]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.

No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

Hurling has an awful inferiority complex. Football just gets on with its business of being the national game.

[Premier Emperor]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.

No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

Hurling has an awful inferiority complex. Football just gets on with its business of being the national game.

There is nothing inferior about it. Most counties can't play the game in any meaningful way.
Should chess feel inferior to draughts for the same reason?

[mup]

If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.

why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.

No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

Well then maybe if Tipperary concentrated more on hurling they might win more than one in a row.