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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2011, 01:49:43 PM »
Handpassing is not an illness on the game though Indiana. The 'fact' that it's on the rise doesn't mean anything. Most teams still use handpassing to release an attack and not slow things down.

Give me a well worked handpassing move any day ahead if an aimless hoof towards a full forward line.

Ban kicking and bring back the "throw goals" of the Spillane era , abolish the 4 step rule and stop all tackling ... ::)

I believe there will be a limit to the number of consecutive handpasses , while the square ball thing needs to go back to the trial of 2 years ago. Also throw points should be abolished , independent time keeping witha public clock and the remaining rules NEED TO BE ENFORCED.
E.G 4 steps , ball must travel 13 metres from a free before it's in play , frees from the hand to be taken from the right place - linesman should be asked to watch this and up their flag when ground stealing occurs. Shoulder to shoulde rto be allowed even if a man falls  and
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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2011, 01:50:15 PM »
The argument that there is 'no fix' is too fatalistic and really underestimates the capabilities of those developing teams for league and championship campaigns. Catenaccio in soccer in the 1960s was eventually solved, likewsie the swarms used by Tyrone & Dublin, the 45-45 version of it used by Donegal, and pretty much every other strategy has or will be beaten by a different tactic.

Organic development of the game, allowing those managing and playing to innovate is better for the long term development of the sport rather than constant tinkering once something new and scary appears.
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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2011, 02:01:31 PM »
The last time they restricted hand passing, down to three consecutive, in the league in the mid-90s, Donegal and Derry reached the league final!

Who the f**k wants to watch four handpasses then an aimless panic punt to no one in particular up field (and this will happen to all teams)? There is plenty of that shite to see on reruns on TG4.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2011, 02:07:54 PM »
The argument that there is 'no fix' is too fatalistic and really underestimates the capabilities of those developing teams for league and championship campaigns. Catenaccio in soccer in the 1960s was eventually solved, likewsie the swarms used by Tyrone & Dublin, the 45-45 version of it used by Donegal, and pretty much every other strategy has or will be beaten by a different tactic.

Organic development of the game, allowing those managing and playing to innovate is better for the long term development of the sport rather than constant tinkering once something new and scary appears.

The back pass to the keeper in soccer was abolished by a rule change was it not? Rugby has made numerous rule changes to improve the game. The game must be attractive and exciting or we lose tv revenue and even worse we will lose the young people as the competition is getting tougher with other sports.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2011, 02:11:46 PM »
Imo, the following rules would help....

- 3 hand passes then ball must be kicked forward.
- mark for fielding a kick out between 45's
- timing taken away from ref like in rugby or ladies football.

Those would make a big difference

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2011, 02:27:50 PM »
Leave it be, if it's not broke don't fix it. Any potential hand-pass rule = complete and utter bullshit.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2011, 02:35:13 PM »
Leave it be, if it's not broke don't fix it. Any potential hand-pass rule = complete and utter bullshit.
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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2011, 02:39:44 PM »
mylestheslasher - Changing a rule after seeing an abject failure to adapt over several decades is different to the knee jerk response of what is less than 10 years (with the Donegal approach, literally 1).

In the two most significant changes in soccer history, the abandoning of the backpass and the reduction of third last defender to second last defender with offside, it was based on a massive sample over time.

My biggest gripe with Rugby is the frequency of rule changes which have radical impacts year to year on how the game is played without forcing teams to develop counter strategies.

Teams, the good teams in particular that you refer to, should be given ample opportunity to adapt. With time we should see more variety in the game, different teams trying different methods. What you call negative play could have long term benefits for the attacking side of the sport as teams look for new ways to overcome it.

If you try to beat a team by copying its approach entirely you will always be at a disadvantage as the other guys knows what he's doing better than you but if you work from your own strengths and try something different the potential for success is greater as your opponenent must now work out your game. That's what McGuinness realised with Donegal this season. He's not the first manager to have adopted that mentality and he won't be the last.
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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2011, 03:22:47 PM »
Leave it be, if it's not broke don't fix it. Any potential hand-pass rule = complete and utter bullshit.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2011, 03:30:24 PM »
The last time they restricted hand passing, down to three consecutive, in the league in the mid-90s, Donegal and Derry reached the league final!

Who the f**k wants to watch four handpasses then an aimless panic punt to no one in particular up field (and this will happen to all teams)? There is plenty of that shite to see on reruns on TG4.

simply will force teams to perfect their kicking and for players to make better runs. some teams are obviously afraid of this.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2011, 03:54:27 PM »
Leave it be, if it's not broke don't fix it. Any potential hand-pass rule = complete and utter bullshit.

Yes. As much fun as watching a game with everyone running around counting to four sounds, I can't help but think that it would look completely ridiculous.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2011, 04:05:34 PM »
The last time they restricted hand passing, down to three consecutive, in the league in the mid-90s, Donegal and Derry reached the league final!

Who the f**k wants to watch four handpasses then an aimless panic punt to no one in particular up field (and this will happen to all teams)? There is plenty of that shite to see on reruns on TG4.

simply will force teams to perfect their kicking and for players to make better runs. some teams are obviously afraid of this.

Or some teams, like all others, want to play to their strengths, playing the type of football their players have grown up with. There hasn't been a word about changing the handpass rule in years and if Donegal hadn't had the success they did this season, there still wouldn't be a word about it. Kerry handpass plenty too, as do lots of other counties. This is all about the mass defending, which Dublin themselves use successfully, so it comes obviously down to degree. Why not restrict the number of defenders? Make it man on man. It would be a more worthy trial than the handpass  one, which has been tried and failed before (coincidentally or not, after Donegal and Derry's success), and will so again. PLreferably, they'll just restrict themselves to sensible issues such as the square ball rule.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2011, 04:08:34 PM »
The last time they restricted hand passing, down to three consecutive, in the league in the mid-90s, Donegal and Derry reached the league final!

Who the f**k wants to watch four handpasses then an aimless panic punt to no one in particular up field (and this will happen to all teams)? There is plenty of that shite to see on reruns on TG4.

simply will force teams to perfect their kicking and for players to make better runs. some teams are obviously afraid of this.
The 4 hanpasses is not a target, its a maximum. Who wants to watch a team do 20 5 yard handpasses over and back across the field and go nowhere. Not me and bot the majority of supporters imo.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2011, 04:19:33 PM »
The only rule thats needed is a rule to stop fuckwits thinking they can improve the game by changing its rules all the time.

Leave our game alone fuckwits.

Indeed. Leave those lateral point posts in place and keep goals as outnumbering any number of points.

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Re: What Rule changes should the GAA introduce for football if any ?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2011, 04:23:11 PM »
What have youse got against handpassing? As long as it's a clear striking action I don't see what the big deal is. I've seen games played with predominantly handpassing used to move the ball up the field and it's great to watch.